12: “The Winter Doldrums”


by Chrisklob

CHARLESTON, SC – That’s what I call this time of year – the winter doldrums. The holidays are behind us, college football is almost over, NFL football is winding down and there are fewer and fewer choices of sports to watch on the television.

Of course, there are plenty of basketball and hockey games on TV, but quite frankly, if those sports decided to shut down tomorrow I wouldn’t have a second thought about it. I’m not really a big football fan either, but I force myself to at least watch SportsCenter. In this day and age, if you’re a guy and don’t know what’s going on in both college and professional football you run the serious risk of having your “Man Card” revoked immediately and terminally. So, reluctantly I follow it, but have no real passion for the sport.

My true passion in sports lies strictly in baseball. I prefer professional baseball. There’s just something about the “ping” of an aluminum bat that rings hollow, both literally and figuratively, to my ears.

But, over the years, I’ve had the chance to see some pretty decent college baseball in my area. Clemson, the University of South Carolina, College of Charleston (my alma mater), and The Citadel are all nearby and I have seen them all play over the years and enjoyed watching them and their opponents, especially many of those fine programs from the ACC and SEC. The South is blessed with good baseball.

Not living in a major league city, I don’t get to see many big league games in person but I typically attend 30-40 minor league games a year. Most of them are here, but over the years I’ve traveled to Myrtle Beach, Columbia, Greenville, Jacksonville, Charlotte and Zebulon to see a player or team that I was particularly interested in.

I’m equally happy watching the younger guys play ball too. We have an excellent AAU program that plays less than half a mile from my home so I’ve been known to stop by on my way home from work to catch a couple of innings. My son, Matt, has been playing since he was four and I’ve attended and helped coach just about every game he’s played in and enjoyed every one of them. Very few things are as exciting as watching a kid get his first big hit. Matt hit his first homerun this past spring and I’m not sure who was more excited, me or him.

I simply enjoy the beauty of the game. I enjoy watching the pitcher battle the hitter, sometimes winning and sometimes not. I love watching the shortstop and second baseman work together to turn a double play. I love a close play at the plate.

But while any baseball game is good, my preference still lies with professional baseball. There’s just something about the sound of a well-struck ball as it leaves the bat that makes my heart sing.

As a kid, I never gave baseball much thought. I liked playing it well enough, but football was my favorite sport to watch. Baseball is sometimes described as a “thinking man’s sport” and “a game of inches. As I matured I came to understand what these expressions meant. I began to appreciate the subtleties of the game.

Let’s face it, there’s nothing subtle about two tons worth of lineman trying to smother each other into oblivion. Nor is there anything subtle about a 300 pound center, lumbering through the paint, knocking bodies in every direction and slamming the basketball through the rim.

However, there is a beautiful subtlety watching a pitcher strike out his opponent with a wicked splitter or perhaps an inside fastball after only offering off-speed stuff off the plate. Homeruns are great but it’s equally intriguing to watch the hitter battle that pitcher, fouling off pitch after pitch, and finally earning an off-field single, or perhaps just drawing a walk.

Sometimes those seemingly insignificant plays (which some would classify as just plain “boring”) are as important as, and sometimes even more important than, the three-run homer. In my opinion, folks that say they don’t like baseball because it’s too slow simply have not learned to appreciate these nuances. Yes, the subtleties of this game are a large part of what make it so attractive to me.

Anyway, I digress. Ah yes, the winter doldrums. Winter is my least favorite time of the year. Aside from the lack of sports entertainment I find it a generally depressing season. The excitement and anticipation of Christmas is past, and the mailbox only brings the holiday’s bills.

Plus, in spite of being pretty well insulated, I can’t stand cold weather. Living in coastal South Carolina, I realize that I shouldn’t complain. Relatively speaking, it doesn’t get very cold here and rarely do we ever experience snow, a fact that irritates my children.

There is just something about the barren trees, the dormant grass, the lack of any color outside aside from brown and gray and the short days that leave me feeling, well, just cold inside. Oh, and coincidentally, winter is the worst time of the year for my business. Frankly, I find it all to be damn depressing.

Pitchers and catchers report!

In my opinion, that short series of words is one of the finest sentences in the English language. These august words coincide with longer, warmer days.

It means the grass will very soon be turning to its proper, glorious green and the skies will once again be blue. My business will show signs of life once again, much like the dogwood tree at the edge of the woods behind my house and my neighbor’s azaleas will dazzle us with their beautiful flowers.

“Our” bluebirds will (hopefully) like the new nesting box that I just built for them well enough to raise their brood there. My wife’s tulips will soon fill the garden with their stunning pastels and our rose bushes will push out their first new shoots. The scent of purple wisteria will fill the air and the long shadows cast by the winter sun will be replaced by longer days.

More importantly, it means that we’ll soon see baseball being played again. The first games mean nothing, but they seem so important. They answer many questions, yet those early games raise many more. Did we solve our rotation issues? How strong is the bullpen? Who will play in center this year? Will the bench be worthy of its task?

To me, those four words mean that all the things that I dislike most about winter will soon be gone and they’ll be replaced by those other good things. Ah yes, once the pitchers and catchers report, things will be good in the world once again.

It’s a time of hope, promise and the anticipation of another great season of baseball. I know that if I can hang on until that glorious day, life will be good again.


Blog address: bravesandstuff@hotmail.com

320 Responses to “12: “The Winter Doldrums””

  1. 1 CL January 7, 2008 at 8:41 am

    A beautiful job, Chris! Many thanks!!! 🙂 (How’s the ulcer?)


  2. 2 nacly January 7, 2008 at 9:18 am

    Chris…kudos…very well done…well done, indeed!


  3. 3 mrgil January 7, 2008 at 9:43 am

    Wow, Outstanding post Chris, another Wurlitzer worthy piece of journalism for sure.


  4. 4 journalist jimmy smith January 7, 2008 at 9:51 am

    oh, the humanity! another winning blog. all this water is making jimmy smith tender hearted. is this not mark davis-esque?

    “Our” bluebirds will (hopefully) like the new nesting box that I just built for them well enough to raise their brood there. My wife’s tulips will soon fill the garden with their stunning pastels and our rose bushes will push out their first new shoots. The scent of purple wisteria will fill the air and the long shadows cast by the winter sun will be replaced by longer days.”

    nice job, chrisklob. jimmy smith is becoming emotional now and must compose jimmy smith’s self before returning.


  5. 5 chrisklob January 7, 2008 at 9:56 am

    Thanks guys!


  6. 6 journalist jimmy smith January 7, 2008 at 9:58 am

    all better now. can hear the crack of the bat. ping is to be avoided much like the designated hitter and wildcard. and when pitchers and catchers report what will be the fate of miller, sammons, pena, and anybody else vying for the job behind mccann? did a braves coach work out with any of those players to help develop their skills? is the coaching investment made with javy going to wrongly influence the decision on a backup? and can javy handle the position defensively? has javy been ordained?

    and, jimmy smith is reminded of the wonderful at-bats by julio franco working the count, fouling off pitches, and getting the hit. others, too, but julio was really good at this.


  7. 7 mrgil January 7, 2008 at 10:23 am

    JJS… I think you answered your own question…. Any other players who have signed a minor league contract being invited to participate in fan fest?

    Or maybe Javy is working out Chino for so to cut cost of uniforms? Those plus sizes are expensive and the Braves could use the extra money to sign Tex….
    Already the Braves have trimmed the roster by releasing Wickman and Paronto. Could get a reduced rate on charters by lowering gross weight.

    Is this a trend for a leaner, meaner team for 2008???


  8. 8 savannahguy January 7, 2008 at 10:31 am

    Bravo! Great lead post, Chris. You are flirting with a Wurlitzer there my man. No, change that. The analogy doesn’t hold up. You’ve damn near eloped with a Wurlitzer with that story.

    Reading your take on sports and baseball, it seemed as though you’d read my book. That is, if I’d written that book. Baseball is the pinnacle, the All American pastime. We’re talking Blue Angels flyovers, apple pie, peanuts, hot dogs, Cracker Jack and “take me out to the old ball game” stuff.

    Anyway, back to the subject at hand. Your take on “our” game is so similar to mine that I think we must be related. Now, all of that is well and good, but there is another matter that is a little troubling: How can a guy like you that seems so well rounded be such a hard nosed, relentless and competitive negotiator when it comes to baked goods deliveries from Florida?

    Something just doesn’t jibe here. Maybe call a truce between the ports of Savannah and Charleston? East Coast Dessert Delivery Alliance?


  9. 9 journalist jimmy smith January 7, 2008 at 10:35 am

    if javy is having lunch with chino it may be javy that needs the big pants next season. to avoid these baked good getting into the wrong hands (chino’s for instance) the goodies should immediately be forwarded to journalist bob in care of jimmy smith. thank you.


  10. 10 Chop Seal January 7, 2008 at 10:39 am

    carulina lady, what is a tottering doughnut?

    NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — Krispy Kreme has tapped its chairman, James Morgan, to also serve as its chief executive and president, replacing Daryl Brewster who resigned for “personal reasons,” the tottering doughnut chain said Monday.

    glaze, right?


  11. 11 mrgil January 7, 2008 at 10:49 am

    Yes, I can see my chances of staying in the starting five diminishing with every successive post. Soon I will be regulated to being on the bubble, bounced between AAA on the AJC team and over here with the big dogs on The Lady of Carolina blog. I am certainly going to have to work on my curve ball before my next turn in the rotation comes up. I am glad we are still in the off season or might even be non tendered.

    The ECDDA….. ? Sounds like a new basketball conference.


  12. 12 berigan2electricboogaloo January 7, 2008 at 11:01 am


    Seriously, SHOWOFF!!!!! 😡 <—-Angry Asian Emoticon agrees


  13. 13 CL January 7, 2008 at 11:02 am

    Chop Seal, it’s the same thing that always happens when “new, outside” people come in to an old established (and flourishing) company: greed. Want to be everywhere conceivable to get every last possible penny. Result: tottering doughnut.


  14. 14 CL January 7, 2008 at 11:03 am

    See, Chris? I TOLD you it was good! 😆


  15. 15 berigan2electricboogaloo January 7, 2008 at 11:06 am

    Even more seriously, WOW!!!! You don’t write for a living??? perhaps you should consider it!
    You put into words much better than I ever could the way baseball makes me, well…the way most real fans feel about the game. And, about winter in general, and the feeling of hope one gets, once P and C time arrives….
    And yes, all other sports suck in comparison! 😛


  16. 16 mrgil January 7, 2008 at 11:09 am

    Oh the humanity, a tottering Krispy Kreme. They should have stuck with their roots and not ventured into the north. That sugar glaze it rough on folks with bad teeth. And trying to expand at the same time that “war on obesity” was declared…. Krispy Kreme may be trying to trim the fat and reshape their organization. It also may have been a bad idea for them to sign Chino as their official poster boy while Dunkin Donut signed Rachel Ray.

    A new day is dawning, soon a leaner meaner Braves team will emerge with a rejuvenated Javy leading the charge…. Could this lead to a reversal of fortune for young McCann? Will the student once again become the master?

    I think Charles Johnson may have been one of the best defensive catchers I have ever seen. Nothing ever got by him.


  17. 17 berigan2electricboogaloo January 7, 2008 at 11:10 am

    JJS, if the Braves win it all one year by getting in to the playoffs as a wildcard team, I bet you will love it! 🙂 I’d put up with every team getting into the playoffs if it meant no ping bats…if ping bats somehow, some way made it into the Majors….I’d just follow the rock, scissors, paper championship games then….


  18. 18 arkansashillbilly January 7, 2008 at 11:10 am

    Wow, busy weekend on the blog. Excellent lead, Klobber. Fairly eventful weekend here in the Oil Patch, too. I’ll expound (word?) on that later. Much work to do.


  19. 19 CL January 7, 2008 at 11:12 am

    Hey, Hillbilly! Welcome back! Hope all is well.


  20. 20 berigan2electricboogaloo January 7, 2008 at 11:12 am

    ever notice how other posts will silently fill in between yours and others that you have already read???? Weiiiird……


  21. 21 chrisklob January 7, 2008 at 11:17 am

    SG, how about this one: Savannah-Charleston Association of Inter-Modal Baaked Goods Delivery Services/. Otherwise known as SCAMBAGS!


  22. 22 savannahguy January 7, 2008 at 11:19 am

    Klobber, your post touches on so many areas of mutual interest and similarity that I’m inspired to address a few of your eclectic subjects. I’m with you on NBA basketball. Seems it’s turned into, “my gangsta’s can beat your gangsta’s”.

    Football, I enjoy the pro and college playoffs and a few key games here and there but I never seem to watch the whole game. I’ve thoroughly enjoyed a handful of hockey matches. Watching those sports in the stadium or arena is fun but watching them on TV…not so much. At the stadium, you have the excitement of the “event” to enjoy along with the game itself.

    NASCAR I just don’t get. Don’t understand it at all, but I realize I’m in the minority there. Too noisy and too many left-hand turns for me I suppose. Are drivers athletes? I think not, although they must have strong ankles and sturdy toes for clutch and gas pedal operations. (First sturdy toe reference on blog?)

    Sentimental Bluebird transition: Like you guys, we even have several bluebird boxes on the property. They’ve been nesting for the last three years near our garden. We usually see two clutches per box each season…one starting a month or so after the first group fledges. Busy little fellas. Pretty cool stuff.

    Masculine transition here: Man card revoked? Nah. Just because your story made the journalist fahklempt and he had to leave the blog to compose himself, you’ve nothing to worry about. Besides, after the age of thirty you become a lifelong member. Rarely is the man card revoked. I knew a fella that almost lost his once. He admitted to attending more than 20 Broadway shows a year and watching The Sound of Music ten times in that same year.

    That wasn’t even enough to revoke his man card, but he tipped the scales when he admitted to knowing the lyrics to all of Captain and Tennille’s songs and had the audacity to sing them at work every day. But that was a rare case. As bad as that was he could actually earn his card back if he quits singing those, uh…songs and agrees to watch all of John Wayne’s, Charlton Heston’s and Bruce Willis’s movies this year as a man deprogramming process. Usually works, except in extreme cases out in San Francisco.


  23. 23 chrisklob January 7, 2008 at 11:19 am

    Thanks for the kind words guys!


  24. 24 savannahguy January 7, 2008 at 11:25 am

    Much to agree with on the blog today. I’ll join with a hearty welcome back to Hillbilly.

    Charles Johnson best defensive catcher seen…agreed. He was amazing, for a few years anyway. Where is he now? I’ll have to look it up.

    Klobber: that sounds like an agreeable association. Is baacked goods Greek? ; )
    Whatever the case, after Pies and cakes leave our coastal ports, we must now be good citizens and forward what’s left of…uh, send the baked good to Bob, Journalist. Jimmy suggested it. Sounds fair.


  25. 25 savannahguy January 7, 2008 at 11:31 am

    Soon I will be regulated to being on the bubble, bounced between AAA on the AJC team and over here with the big dogs on The Lady of Carolina blog.

    What? Gil, you’re a Wurlitzer winning ace of our pitching staff. You’re one of the vets we’ve built this team around. In a few years when your fastball drops below 90 mph, you can just break out the old circle change.


  26. 26 savannahguy January 7, 2008 at 11:33 am

    Duty calls. Gimme plenty to read when I get back denizens. Later…


  27. 27 mrgil January 7, 2008 at 11:35 am

    SG…. On NASCAR, You just have to have a dog in the fight to get interest revved up. I think auto racing is much like hockey in that you really need to be there to get caught up in the excitement of the “game”.

    The most manly sport not seen has to be lacrosse. One must have stamina and great hand eye coordination to play. However, it is about as popular as soccer.

    I will agree with you and Klobber on basketball and football. Way too much thuggery for me.

    Speaking of thugs… Michale Vick has requested and receive permission to transfer to Leavenworth federal penitentiary where he may be eligible for early release after one year.


  28. 28 mrgil January 7, 2008 at 11:42 am

    Thanks SG, Maybe I need to contact Chino and see if he has room for one more in his workout sessions…..


  29. 29 mrgil January 7, 2008 at 11:45 am

    Okay, it’s a beautiful day outside so I should attend to some chores before the monsoons roll in this week. Later folks… 🙂


  30. 30 arkansashillbilly January 7, 2008 at 11:55 am

    I spent Saturday night fighting crime, I guess you could say. My mother-in-law called soon after I got in from a long day of hunting, and said she thought someone was trying to break in her house. I loaded up the truck with shotguns and a pregnant wife and hauled butt out to here house. I managed to get there before the perps got out of the neighborhood, so I got behind them and took down the license plate number. Even though I was raised in an environment of an unlocked door with a “loaded bugular alarm,” I didn’t really feel like a high-speed chase or a possible shoot-out would be a good idea with my wife and un-born child in the truck, so I backed off and called the cops. They ran the plates, and questioned the people, but I don’t think they had any hard evidence to nail them with, so no arrests were made. What kind of crack-head fool would try to break into a house with 3 cars in the driveway, and all the lights on in the house? Maybe next time, I should just go ahead and make the “citizen’s arrayust.” (Gomer Pyle accent)


  31. 31 chrisklob January 7, 2008 at 12:02 pm

    Hillbilly, glad to hear no one got hurt. But I think you may have answered your own question with “Crack-head fool”.

    You guys have a good day. Gotta get out in the field and do some surveying!


  32. 32 berigan2electricboogaloo January 7, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    Hillbilly, from what I hear, Meth addicts are the dumbest addicts around….glad no one was hurt, but geez just once I’d like to see police do some real legwork….guys probably have records a mile long…Not normally against policemen and women, I just hear too much about leads not followed these days. That young woman who is likely dead that went for hike in the Georgia mountains, another woman had been threatened by that 61 year old murderer awhile back…of course, they didn’t do anything with him, “they” thought he was harmless….


  33. 33 berigan2electricboogaloo January 7, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    Gee, Iran almost started a war with us today, wonder if this will even make the evening news???
    Pentagon Says Ships Harassed by Iran


  34. 34 journalist jimmy smith January 7, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    no aspersions intended. journalist just found the tenderness touching. not like touching another guy’s bottom, though. must draw the line. and what goes on in these clubhouses? and why would roger clemens allow such familiarity? and flintstones vitamins can be taken orally. good with water or juice. and speaking of water, journalist just knocked off another 64-ounces and is ready to face the day. and the bar is being set high for this blog. soon, mis-spellings will not be tolerated and carolina lady will expect capitalization and punctuation. that is the day that jimmy smith will have to go back to that other blog, jimmy smith’s hat in hand, and ask for a chance to return to the and idiots. and what is a leader of and idiots called. leader of the pack? song by that name?

    Is she really going out with him?
    Well, there she is. Let’s ask her.
    Betty, is that Jimmy’s ring you’re wearing?
    Gee, it must be great riding with him
    Is he picking you up after school today?
    By the way, where’d you meet him?

    I met him at the candy store
    He turned around and smiled at me
    You get the picture? (yes, we see)
    That’s when I fell for (the leader of the pack)

    My folks were always putting him down (down, down)
    They said he came from the wrong side of town (uganda)
    (whatcha mean when ya say that he came from the wrong side of town?)
    They told me he was bad
    But I knew he was sad
    That’s why I fell for (the leader of the pack)

    One day my dad said, “Find someone new”
    I had to tell my Jimmy we’re through
    (whatcha mean when ya say that ya better go find somebody new?)
    He stood there and asked me why
    But all I could do was cry
    I’m sorry I hurt you (the leader of the pack)

    He sort of smiled and kissed me goodbye
    The tears were beginning to show
    As he drove away on that rainy night
    I begged him to go slow
    But whether he heard, I’ll never know

    Look out! Look out! Look out! Look out!

    I felt so helpless, what could I do?
    Remembering all the things we’d been through
    In school they all stop and stare
    I can’t hide the tears, but I don’t care
    I’ll never forget him (the leader of the pack)

    The leader of the pack – now he’s gone
    The leader of the pack – now he’s gone
    The leader of the pack – now he’s gone
    The leader of the pack – now he’s gone

    oh, the humanity! leader of the pack is jimmy! and idiot?!! very confused right now. and too much water.


  35. 35 lew614 January 7, 2008 at 1:13 pm

    Berigan-It was announced on CNN earlier this morning, so I imagine it will hit both Liberal and Conservative venues. Who listens to Network News anymore, anyway?


  36. 36 journalist jimmy smith January 7, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    carolina lady, could carolina lady get us an emoticon wearing a braves cap? thank you. 😯


  37. 37 mrgil January 7, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    berigan… They are still POed at us for shooting down that airliner back in ’91… Of course they were seeing if we would. Kind of like teasing a tiger and then wondering why it would attack.


  38. 38 berigan2electricboogaloo January 7, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    About 30 Million get their news from the big 3….only a few million bother with cable news. O’Reilly gets maybe 2 million and he’s the top rated guy. This all means about 260,000 won’t see any news today! I love to ask friends if they have heard about this, that or the other news story ….
    everyone ask your friends…younger friends if they have heard about this story….not much news gets on FM stations…


  39. 39 journalist jimmy smith January 7, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    oh, no! not the feared revolutionary guard! just throw journalist in the briar patch now.


  40. 40 mrgil January 7, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    Oh my hillbilly, however, you done good….. Perps will be much less likely to show up in the neighborhood again.

    My goodness jimmy, such an emotionally charged rendition. Next thing you know we will be listening to the lyrics of Jimmy Mac….

    What a beautiful day it is here in the Old Dominion. A few years ago this would have been a prime golf day, now I am reduce to hauling the trash off to the land fill…. Oh the humanity…

    However, not all was lost as I found a crab net and a good fishing rod and reel…. Dumpster diving for fun and profit… 🙂 Actually, just an area set aside for things too good to throw away, a little like the land of misfit toys but for grown ups.

    The holidays are officially over now, the wife finished taking down all of the decorations this morning. Next holiday will be Lee-Jackson Day, then Martin Luther King Day. Next thing you know it will be Ground Hog Day. Next thing you know it will be Ground Hog Day. Next thing you know it will be Ground Hog Day. Next thing you know it will be Ground Hog Day.

    No wonder February is so long… 8)


  41. 41 mrgil January 7, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    CL… Where is the best salt water fishing in the Wilmington area? I have a twenty two foot boat I am considering bringing with me while on vacation this year.


  42. 42 journalist jimmy smith January 7, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    journalist will take that one for carolina lady. best salt water fishing would be in the atlantic ocean.


  43. 43 arkansashillbilly January 7, 2008 at 2:52 pm



  44. 44 Bob, journalist January 7, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    Pitchers and catchers report! … were these truly august words, just think how long we’d have to wait and how short the season would be … no, them’s February words and thank goodness for that! Ceptin’ that one little foe pa, you done good kid!


  45. 45 savannahguy January 7, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    Gil The best way I’ve ever found to catch a fish is to have a bait in the water. Increases the odds drastically. But seriously, I don’t know the drops in Wilmington, NC but I know hang out on the Wilmington River where I live. This has been the best year for trout in many years. Shrimp are still in, which is unusually late…but they’re moving out now. Unless you’ll be in NC anyway, I’d try Cape Hatteras/OBX for the Trout and bass inshore or the grouper, snapper, tuna or blues offshore.

    Your boat will handle both. Either way, you’d better hurry. All this talk of fishing makes me thirsty.

    Gil, one of the best beers I’ve ever tasted is Old Dominion Ale. Have you tried it? Great little micro brewed near you. An old Richmond friend used to bring it down.

    Another all time favorite is Cusqueña from Peru. Spent a month there and had those with civiche every day.

    Another recent discovery is Dogfish Head 60 Minute India Pale Ale. They’re brewed in Milton, Delaware.

    Do yourself a favor and check these out. Klobber, perhaps you know a distributor that could get those into a store in Savannah? Or Atlanta, or Charleston? I’ll drive for any one of those.


  46. 46 savannahguy January 7, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    That should have been Old Dominion Brewing Co.. Haste makes waste. Break over, back to the salt mines. Later…


  47. 47 lew614 January 7, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    Berigan-The point I was making is that I’m not at all certain why you think it would not be reported. With our culture of sensationalism and drama, nothing that smacks of violence or war is ever really covered up. There is too big an audience. Especially now during the semi annual political bludgeoning process we are undergoing-if someone knows about anything, the whole world knows it. Now I will admit it won’t get the coverage it would if Britney attacked the Navy, but still…..


  48. 48 mrgil January 7, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    jimmy mac…. Not wanting to sound trite, but I do not venture that far with a single engine boat. I am not too crazy going far into the Chesapeake Bay. I was once accosted by a submarine headed up the York River…. Those things are BIG!!!! Not to be trifled with. 8-0


  49. 49 mrgil January 7, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    lew…. Does Britney like seafood? I suspect she would be into Seals… 🙂 Not sure it would much a fight.


  50. 50 mrgil January 7, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    Okay…. Who is stealing my prepositions???


  51. 51 journalist jimmy smith January 7, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    frozen iguanas in the news. come back to life when toasted! flbravesgirl please take note!



  52. 52 berigan2electricboogaloo January 7, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    Lew, I just don’t think it’s a “sexy” enough story! If we had called their bluff, what in the world would have happened????
    It might get mentioned for 20 seconds in the middle of Charlie Gibson’s show, but New Hampshire is about the one and only story right now. Now, like you said, if Britney was somehow involved….and toss in Old Doc Phil…now, that would be a story! 😉


  53. 53 mrgil January 7, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    And now the circle is complete, blog lyrics Oh My 🙂

    Jimmy, Jimmy, oh Jimmy Mack, when are you coming back?
    Jimmy, Jimmy, oh Jimmy Mack, when are you coming back?
    My arms are missing you, my lips feel the same way too
    I tried so hard to be true, like I promised I’d do
    But this boy keeps coming around, he’s trying to wear my resistance down

    Hey Jimmy, Jimmy, oh Jimmy Mack, when are you coming back
    Jimmy, Jimmy, oh Jimmy Mack, when are you coming back
    He calls me on the phone, about three times a day
    Now my heart’s just listening to what he has to say
    But this loneliness that I have within keeps reaching out to be his friend

    Need your loving, need your loving

    I wanna say, I’m not getting any stronger, I can’t hold out very much longer
    Trying hard to be true, but Jimmy, he talks just as sweet as you

    Need your loving, need your loving
    Need your loving, need your loving…
    (Jimmy, Jimmy, oh Jimmy Mack, when are you coming back)


  54. 54 berigan2electricboogaloo January 7, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    JJS, are you sure you got this story right??? Wasn’t it the fact they got toasted that caused them to fall from the trees in the first place??? 🙂


  55. 55 berigan2electricboogaloo January 7, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    The guy who writes MLBrumors.com is talking about wants and needs for the braves, and mentions….Mike Cameron as a swell 2 year pickup!!!! 😦 Please don’t listen to the crazy bloggers Mr. Wren!!!!


  56. 56 berigan2electricboogaloo January 7, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    I mean, needs and Luxuries…I was close….


  57. 57 mrgil January 7, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    frozen iguanas revived…

    Gives a whole new meaning to fresh frozen… If it taste like chicken, why not just buy chicken? Have not experienced any problems while thawing chickens…

    Of course there is always a first time. Likely would be cause for me to consider becoming a vegetarian… Now, if that ear of corn starts moving…. I am laying off the koolaid….


  58. 58 mrgil January 7, 2008 at 4:50 pm

    berigan It would not come as too much of a surprise to see the Braves take a flier on Cameron. He is a bit like picking up something at a scratch and dent sale. May still have value if the damage is not visible. I am not advocating for the Braves to sign him, it is just I could see them doing it if the price was right.


  59. 59 Chop Seal January 7, 2008 at 4:50 pm

    Seals are not seefood!! Chop Seal asks for a retraction from Gil. Chop Seal has many friends that live in the ocean so Gil had best be carefull. And this seal has standards – not interested in Britney Spears. Whole thing sounds fishy.


  60. 60 mrgil January 7, 2008 at 4:55 pm

    I think a lot would have to do on how the rookies do in spring training. If someone steps ups, no signing. If everyone fails, look for the Braves to go shopping. I don’t know if any other teams are talking with Cameron right now, may be practicing in his basement. I wonder if he watches video or just waits until the off season to see that his stance may be too wide?

    Of course he may be on Roger’s speed dial but that is another story.


  61. 61 mrgil January 7, 2008 at 5:01 pm

    Oh great wiskered one…. Not intended to step on your toes, …uh.. flipper. I can see why you would not be interested in tarts… My most sincere apology if you felt offended. One can see you are more attracted to more mature ladies. 🙂


  62. 62 lew614 January 7, 2008 at 5:19 pm

    Berigan-Not sexy enough? For what? Inside Edition? Considering I heard about it on CNN almost two hours before you mentioned it, I wonder if your supposition even holds up. In this era of second by second coverage (ad nauseum), there isn’t much of anything that escapes the media’s hungry jaws.

    That is an issue that can be spun by either side of yahoos in this season of political BS. No way it would go unnoticed. Besides, it didn’t. I heard about it and so did you.


  63. 63 berigan2electricboogaloo January 7, 2008 at 5:48 pm

    Lew, we shall see if it’s mentioned on the nightly news or not…that was my original point….well, if I remember to record it, out to dinner in a minute!
    I had my TV in my room on Headline news while out in the computer room living room, and with DVR, I can “rewind” back 2 hours. I didn’t see it during one hour, but was the second story later on…..
    As for stories that escape the media’s hungry jaws, I see all sorts of stories on the WWW that never make it into the mainstream press(Meaning TV), I am sure you do as well.


  64. 64 mrgil January 7, 2008 at 5:55 pm

    Berigan It may be dependent upon where you live. That story was on the local news here in Richmond.

    Along with the story of Mick Vick being transfered to Kansas.


  65. 65 CL January 7, 2008 at 6:09 pm

    Clemens taped his phone call with McNamee.
    McNamee: “I’ll go to jail; I’ll do whatever you want.”


  66. 66 journalist jimmy smith January 7, 2008 at 6:13 pm

    famous tom glavine is sick. not sure what is wrong. cannot skate today. cold skating toe? and will this carry over to spring training? imagine cold skating toe in florida! and pitchers and catchers report but what if the pitcher is sick? b-12? who applies it? topical? perhaps a shot in the buttocks with butt numbing lidocaine as an accompaniment? will there be bruising? and who will check? and will tom glavine be in skating form soon? and does a leg broken on an ice rink count against a player if that player is in the union? and where is sja? needs someone to nail to the wall and no and idiots on board here yet. perhaps one will soon apppear and sja will blog with us again.


  67. 67 lew614 January 7, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    Just heard the Clemens McNamee conversation of XM Home Plate. Y’all, McNamee was coerced by the Feds and lied his numbass off to them. It will not surprise me in the least if he retracts his statements and does jail time.

    Berigan-Yes, there is a lot on the WWW that doesn’t make it to tv and there is good reason. Anyone can post anything on the www without any fear of having to back it up or pay consequences for not reporting the truth.


  68. 68 lew614 January 7, 2008 at 6:34 pm

    Berigan-CNN just had a round table discussion of the entire situation. Fraid there just isn’t a conspiracy to cover this up.


  69. 69 williamwallace January 7, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    I think Clemens did it. But I am tired of people saying McNamee wouldn’t lie to Mitchell because if he did, he would have went to jail. Flawed logic.

    If McNamee names someone who didn’t do it, how would they prove that he lied about that person being a user? They can’t – unless he is stupid enough later on to admit he was lying – which he came dangerously close to in that phone conversation.

    If he didn’t name enough names and they later found out he omitted people in his accusations, then they can prove that and he goes to jail.

    So, really, there was nothing to lose by overnaming and overaccusing. He had nothing to fear with Mitchell if he overnamed because no one would ever be able to prove he overnamed. It would always be a he said/she said situation between McNamee and the one he is accusing. One’s word against another’s. No way to prove either way.

    McNamee’s only fear with Mitchell would only have been not naming enough people. That was the only way he would have went to jail for lying.

    McNamee had all the incentive in the world to overname and overaccuse. Everything to gain, nothing to lose by overnaming. No risk in overnaming, great risk in undernaming. Great reward in overnaming, no reward for undernaming.

    With that being said, I still think Clemens did it. I’m just tired of journalists throwing out that flawed logic just because Mitchell used that flawed logic.


  70. 71 journalist jimmy smith January 7, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    wincing, then lifting buttocks off the chair . . . possible indication of sore bottom and need for numbing injection.

    and now, pie . . . is ice box pie considered pie by the readers of this blog? not so, according to noted pie-man letwan anthony.

    and now, frozen iguana. sounds like a drink, right? and carolina lady, did carolina lady have any frozen iguanas on the property after the recent freezing weather? toast them and they recover quickly.


  71. 73 CL January 7, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    jimmy, don’t have any iguanas. Hartebeest took care of them long ago!


  72. 74 mrgil January 7, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    When Clemens shows up in front of congress next week, how much you want to bet he says… Sorry, but I am advised not to answer that question by my legal counsel due to pending litigation. Then will stick tongue out. 🙂


  73. 75 mrgil January 7, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    Going to be a heck of a team at Leavenworth… 8)


  74. 76 CL January 7, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    Gil, those lawyers are setting things up where Clemens won’t have to admit a thing.

    McNamee calls Clemens; Clemens conveniently has a recorder on hand with which to tape the whole conversation. Did McNamee know he was being recorded? If not, that’s illegal, I do believe.

    McNamee is revealing himself to be a very weak character who will do or say anything anyone wants. Tells Clemens “I’ll say I lied. I’ll go to prison for you. Tell me what you want me to do.” And Clemens, knowing the conversation is being recorded, continues in his role as wronged benefactor. (Clemens has basically financially supported this guy since 1998.)

    I noticed in the Wallace interview that Clemens said he’d been injected with “Lana Caine.” Lanacaine is a topical cream for minor skin irritations.

    This is a full-fledged 3-ring circus!

    Gil, you’re right! 😆


  75. 78 CL January 7, 2008 at 10:13 pm

    More stuff:

    from transcripts of the Clemens-McNamee phone conversation:
    (which strongly indicates that MaNamee did not know he was being recorded.)

    “McNamee: I’m on a cell phone. And I understand that I don’t expect – I can’t open up to you the way I want to, and I know you can’t. And you know how I feel about you.

    Clemens: I don’t know who’s on our lines or whatever.

    McNamee: I got nobody on my line. I don’t know.

    Clemens: I just want the truth out there, and if I got to go – whatever I’m doing – I just want the truth out there. And like I said, I just can’t believe what’s being said. We’re getting it from all angles. And, you know, I haven’t talked to anybody other than my representatives – and Randy (Hendricks). Everybody is just – everybody is just so upset.”


  76. 79 mrgil January 7, 2008 at 10:36 pm

    CL… I am no longer sure that it is illegal to tape someone without their knowledge as long as one person is aware that the conversation is being recorded. Certainly McNamee did not know he was on tape. Roger Clemens is not this guy’s friend. Just another selfish jerk.

    Old saying that you cannot cheat an honest man…. I am sure Michael Vick did not believe his “homies” would rat him out either but there is no honor among thieves.

    So, where do we go from here? For baseball, it is put it behind them. I do not think the Union can withstand a demand by the owners for stringent testing now. The question is, do the owners really want the players to stop doing what they are doing?

    As for the whole, “Yeah but, the guy still deserves to be in the Hall Of Fame” spiel, to allow him in would open Pandora’s box to a lot of kids that it is okay to cheat if you are really good. Shoeless Joe Jackson was never convicted of any crime, only guilt by association. To allow someone to be enshrined would demean it for a lot of players who did it the old fashion way, hard work and God given talent. Not better living through chemistry.


  77. 80 CL January 7, 2008 at 10:41 pm

    You’re right, Gil. I just found this:

    “Under state law in New York and Texas, only one party has to give consent for a phone conversation to be taped. In this case, it was Clemens, who was at home. McNamee spoke on a cellular phone.”

    Clemens was trying to set up McNamee. Wonder what McNamee thought when he found out?


  78. 81 mrgil January 7, 2008 at 10:43 pm

    “The two of them deserve each other. One’s a born liar; the other’s convicted.” — Billy Martin, on Reggie Jackson and George Steinbrenner

    Sound like anyone else we know???? 🙂


  79. 82 mrgil January 7, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    CL.. I learned the hard way that the best way to keep something you would later be ashamed of from not being told to the world was to not do it in the first place.

    Far be it for me to be a perfect man, but I am a wise man when it come to treachery and subterfuge knowing that others will not hesitate to embarrass you if it suits their ends.

    You cannot speak it, cannot write it and best to not think it if it will cause you harm in the future. Even things taken out of context. Someone will twist your words and use them against you.

    Best advice ever given to me by my father was to never speak ill of another man to a third party. If you have a problem with someone, tell them, not everybody else. With that I think I shall e-mail Roger and tell him what a dirt bag I think he is, I would not want him to hear it third hand. 🙂


  80. 83 CL January 7, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    It does, indeed! 😆

    Looks like we’re the only ones present tonight. Was it something we said??


  81. 84 mrgil January 7, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    Okay, time to give it a rest. Catch ya’ll tomorrow… 🙂


  82. 85 mrgil January 7, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    I think they are watching the LSU game. Night CL…


  83. 86 CL January 7, 2008 at 10:59 pm

    Ok – ‘night, Gil!

    I’m out, too. I’ll leave the night light on in case any night owls stop in! 🙂


  84. 87 flbravesgirl January 7, 2008 at 11:58 pm

    Hmmm… am I the only one here? Too late as usual. 😦

    Chris, great work. Are you sure you don’t write for a living?


  85. 88 chrisklob January 8, 2008 at 12:32 am

    fbg, I promise I don’t work for a living. That little bit (which looks pretty damn long as far as blog leads usually go) too me over a week and about a bazillion rewrites and edits! Trust me, I’d never make a deadline. At least not with anything that anyone would want to read. But thanks for the kind words, they are greatly appreciated!

    This majestic sport is so important to me as a recreational outlet. While watching or attending a game, I can temporarily escape all of my worries. While putting my thoughts and feelings on paper in a fashion that others would readily understand were not easy, they all came from the heart. The positive words expressed about my lead today were reaffirming and I’m particularly happy (yet not surprised) that so many share my feelings.


  86. 89 chrisklob January 8, 2008 at 12:58 am

    That really should read “I promise I don’t write for a living”. Trust me, I DO work for a living. Just been a really long day…………


  87. 90 Bob, journalist January 8, 2008 at 3:07 am

    What am I supposed to do with all these baked goods? Ralph, my cat for you rookies, would like to see how his friend Baby Seal has grown but is still in group therapy and refuses to take anything to Jimmy Smith … singin’ the blues, he is!

    Berigan gave me quite a start saying “Meth addicts are the dumbest addicts around” … and I wrote a scathing retort defending mathematicians before putting on my glasses … another one of my best efforts, wasted!

    Am I to understand that Vick will receive a reduction in time served if he successfully completes a drug rehab program? Was part of his sentence tied to illegal drug use?

    Chop Chick an AJC contrivance? Of course not … she’s just a good fan who loves to blog that happens to work for the AJC … perhaps the same can be said for the Falcon’s “Bird Babe”.

    The Independence Bowl … two teams with identical records … 6-6, 4-4 in their conferences … where’s Coach when you need him … that’s mediocrity … that’s too many bowl games!


  88. 91 Bob, journalist January 8, 2008 at 3:52 am

    I fell asleep shortly after returning from Carol’s Chemo session but woke up in time to see LSU look like they were going to get blown away … OSU is not my favorite team … though we lived not too far from their campus ’86-’92 before moving to Nashville.

    While I don’t materially disagree William Wallace’s notion that it’s wrong to conclude that McNamee wouldn’t lie to Mitchell because of the threat of conviction and confinement, methinks it’s proper to consider it a reasonable possibility that he wasn’t and worthy of pursuit, … and at least the Senator and others close to the situation evidently also so thought.

    I’m intrigued with WW’s notion that McNamee came dangerously close to admitting he was lying … as it comes dangerously close to presupposing that he lying, maybe closer.

    I haven’t looked closely at the arguments but I agree that it is rarely prudent to assume that logic can be safely applied in evaluating the actions of those under extreme stress … in such circumstances, it is not uncommon for normally rational, logical folks to become irrational and their actions illogical.

    I’m not suggesting that logic can’t be prudently applied, … only that it is commonly a mistake to attempt to so do. Methinks that those of good character and very strong moral fiber are generally predictable under even the most stressful of conditions.

    However, there is order to be found in chaos and those of weak character, whose essence is derived from telling folks what is perceived they want to hear, are also somewhat logically predictable … even when they are being illogical to the point of contradiction.

    The greater mistake, methinks, would be in assuming that the interpretation given to one’s rhetoric and one’s intended meaning are necessarily the same … for that frequently leads to inappropriate conclusions, making the third eye of especial importance relative to the other two.

    Methinks too that it is flawed logic that leads one to the conclusion that they can’t, or won’t be able to prove or disprove McNamee’s veracity sans a confession … unless one has access to all of the evidence, including that which is yet to be uncovered … though I do agree that it’s unlikely and the truth will probably remain a matter of conjecture.

    I would assume that it’s at least directionally true that if it is ascertained that McNamee omitted people in his accusations, then he would most likely face prosecution … but I don’t see how one could reasonably assume that he would necessarily be held harmless for making false accusations, should the authorities so conclude … indeed, methinks perception rather than proof is the issue and that McNamee’s best interests would only be served if the authorities concluded that he had been truthful.

    Regardless, while it may difficult if not impossible to resolve with certainty, the penalties for making accusations without being able to supply some supporting evidence or reasonable explanation can be severe and so doing is fraught with peril … and methinks one cannot discard the possibility that McNamee was also influenced by that.

    I do take strong exception with the notion that we have enough information to conclude that “there was nothing to lose by overnaming and overaccusing“, that “McNamee’s only fear with Mitchell would only have been not naming enough people“, or that “McNamee had all the incentive in the world to overname and overaccuse. Everything to gain, nothing to lose by overnaming. No risk in overnaming, great risk in undernaming. Great reward in overnaming, no reward for undernaming“.

    Sounds good though …

    To so conclude would seem to come dangerously close to assuming that McNamee’s only significant consideration was to avoid prosecution … which may or may not have been the case. Certainly there are conceivable circumstances where it would more to his advantage to either be totally honest and name all those involved or to omit some percentage thereof … rather than to falsely accuse innocent players.

    That said, I haven’t read the Mitchell Report but was under the impression that McNamee named only three or four players … were that to be the case, then he certainly wasn’t gilding too many lilies with his “overnaming“.

    My logic may be flawed but I too think Clemens probably cheated … methinks he just looks and acts like a cheater!


  89. 92 Bob, journalist January 8, 2008 at 4:07 am

    Apologies … haste makes waste, and posts that are poorly written, difficult to read, and even harder to understand … at least it’s unlikely that I’ll be accused of taking any performance enhancers!

    Goodnight all!


  90. 93 mrgil January 8, 2008 at 7:03 am

    Actually Bob, it was one of your more focused efforts. 🙂 Now, does this mean I have developed some increased mental acuity or that all the meds have worn off. Likely both… 8)

    chris, I use to feel the same way about golf but I think it may have been because I was so immersed in trying not to screw up I was able to shut out every other thing around me. Not that it helped my game very much but still it allowed for me to not worry about all the other pressures in life. Golf was my Zen…. Unfortunately, the golf gods seldom shed their light on me. 🙂 I spent much time getting closer to nature. In the creeks and ponds, deep in the woods, it was amazing the amount of wild life you can see there. 🙂


  91. 94 mrgil January 8, 2008 at 7:58 am

    So much to do and see here in the capital city this weekend. I have a virtual cornucopia of quality offerings from which to choose. First off is the Gun Show to be held at the Showplace, or I could opt for the Golf Show at the Raceway Complex. Certainly, not to be outdone there is my final consideration there is a Boat Show to be held at the Richmond Convention Center.

    Yeah Chris, you are right on about the doldrums of winter. As you can tell, I can hardly contain my excitement with the prospects offered. Lord knows I do not need another fire arm. I already have 5 sets of golf clubs I cannot use and two boats that stand idle 99 percent of the time.


  92. 95 nacly January 8, 2008 at 8:02 am

    The question is, do the owners really want the players to stop doing what they are doing?

    Oh, so very true. Was it not the issue all along? I’ve been a stuck record on this, but reality is the players’ performance, enhanced or otherwise, pulled record numbers of fans to the games. Baseball’s biggest issue was creating a perception of ‘concern’ to forestall outside (Congress?) intervention into the cash cow, or delay whistle-blowers/hypocrites like Canseco. That only worked for so long. Sooner rather than later, a creep like Canseco could see $$ signs in ‘coming out’, and we all know how alluring cameras are to our elected officials!

    Your wife, and others, are right…move on. There is no player bigger than the game; fans are always on the lookout for their next legend.


  93. 96 ssiscribe January 8, 2008 at 8:18 am

    Top of the morning, denizens, after being away for a few days to attend to the usual — work, house, family, etc. and so forth. But now, I’m back with a few minutes before frying the fish for the day.

    Now, blogs (noted transition from the Scribe): Wow, guys, y’all are doing great! Chris, that was a helluva post, my friend. Excellent. Very heartfelt with emotion and reasoning, all balanced together very well. Well done, dude.

    Now, baseball (more transition): Ah, just reading Chris’ post makes me ready to head to Florida. And I found a heck of a sale last week to Orlando from Atlanta, but I’m still waiting to hear about an off-site work retreat. Otherwise, I could’ve flown down to the O for about $50 roundtrip. Alas, the sale now is over. Really don’t know if I’m going to get down there or not, but still working on it. If I can get a cheap flight, I think I can talk the wife into letting me slide out as long as I don’t empty the checking account on hotel, food and tickets.

    Now, FanFest (still more transition; been building up the past few days, I guess): The Braves struck, in my opinion, a genius move by moving their FanFest indoors to the Georgia World Congress Center. I’m not crazy about the fact I have to pay $8 each for my little guys to get in — I thought I had read on Braves.com kids under 12 get in free, but I think now I misunderstood that — but we’re all excited about going. I think we’ll be there Saturday, but must jet back to the southside mid-afternoon for a birthday party. Should be a lot of fun.

    Now, Glavine (yet another transition): I doubt seriously Eric Boulton would put Glav into the boards, so I didn’t have a problem with him skating with the Thrashers (heck, could he play defense? Left wing on the third line? Penalty kill? Coach?). I hope he gets a chance to skate with them before Camp Roger starts.

    Now, football (final transition): Florida last year. LSU this year. Anybody wanna go ahead and toss their chips on the Dogs for 2008? Tigers looked good last night after the slow start, much as the Gators did last year. Face it, the SEC has the deepest conference, especially now with the emergence of Kentucky and, to a lesser extent, the development of competitiveness at Vandy. You play in that league week-in, week-out, you’re going to be good come November.

    That’s all I got. Wishing the good people of the Braves and Stuff good tidings on this, the eighth day already of the new year (wow, it flies), selah.

    The Scribe abides.



  94. 97 mrgil January 8, 2008 at 8:47 am

    Noted Sscribe, No question that the Lady has built a solid blog here.

    I must also contend that Georgia will be a force to be reckoned with next year and may even be a pre-season number 1. It is just the SEC is such a tough conference to play it can be hard for them to escape the season unscathed.

    Salty, my wife has a way of cutting to the chase pretty quickly. Of course as in everything else, we often disagree on why we agree. 🙂


  95. 98 journalist jimmy smith January 8, 2008 at 9:11 am

    sorta like having no problem with ron gant riding the bike . . . 😆

    oh, the humanity! if tom glavine breaks a limb or twists a hammock . . .

    and, yes, this blog is coming along quite nicely. jimmy smith has asked the beet writer to contribute more baseball information but the beet writer is busy writing the blog lead-in that will appear in a few days. frying many fish . . . wait, that is scribe, not chop seal. chop seal abides. wait, that is scribe, too. so many journalists blogging here – hard to keep up. chop seal cannot get too close to the hot stove – whisker burn.


  96. 99 journalist jimmy smith January 8, 2008 at 9:46 am

    mike vick clicked mike vicks’s red shoes together and now mike vick is in kansas. soon to be released after undergoing counseling for drug use. hmmm… thought mike vick was in for dog-fighting. any counseling available for dog fighting? and why not just apologize to mike vick and let mike vick go? and same for barry bonds. and mlb has increased clubhouse security – will no longer tolerate lax security.


  97. 100 williamwallace January 8, 2008 at 10:03 am

    Bobby Mac, your post was very well written and a very good response. It was very easy to follow your logic. No reason for apologies at all. (I suspect Bob knew his audience was me on that one so he made it a little simpler to enable me to understand).

    I believe Clemens was a cheater as well. I have believed that since 1998. Like my father, I was glad to see him thrown out there. However, much like Lew, I do have problems with the rather weak evidence Mitchell used to throw names out there without corroborating evidence. I think about myself or any of you. What standard would I want imposed upon the accusers and investigators if they were gonna make an accusation about me or any of you and then throw my name or any of your names out there in such a widely publicized document? What level of responsibility should they be held to? I would hope it would be more than what Mitchell deemed to be fair and just. The Mitchell report, in some instances, read like a gossip column worthy of a sensationalistic tabloid rather than a legit news report filled with conclusive proof.

    With that being said, your line about McNamee only naming about a handful of players really does expose a very flawed part of my reasoning that McNamee had much to gain by overnaming. He didn’t name that many, so you are probably right that he was not just overnaming names for the sake of protecting himself.

    Whether or not they gave in to the temptation, I still believe it is more likely McNamee and Radomski had much more incentive to overname to avoid prosecution. There never really will be any way to prove they were lying by overnaming. But there would have been ways to prove they were lying if they undernamed. But it is looking more and more like neither McNamee nor Radomski undernamed or overnamed. I just wish there was more corroborating evidence to support their claims about certain players.

    Without corroborating evidence, I’m not particularly fond of just taking the word of drug dealers seeking a reduced sentence.


  98. 101 lew614 January 8, 2008 at 11:00 am

    Braveheart-You know I got hammered on the other blog for taking a stance on condemnation without evidence.

    I’m a firm believer in the Waterfowl Nature of The Universe-ie. If it waddles and quacks, it’s a pretty good chance you’re dealing with a duck. Now I will say, that it looks like a veritable flock of the feathered creatures waddling around baseball. However, short of some DNA tests on the feathers left floating around, I for one, would not like to put my own fate in the hands of such experts as Coach (God help the kids left to HIS tutelage).

    I had a podiatrist appointment this morning and my Doctor (a wonderful Guy who is also a no nonsense guy) had some interesting things to say about the B12 and Lidocaine shots.

    Now Dr. Rinaldi is a believer in the benefits of B12-he saw the difference they made during my own healing process and read the studies, which indicate their validity. However, he said that a B12 shot taken peridoically, has a shelf life of a day-you need to keep the dosage replenished on a daily basis, due to the fact that B vitamins are water soluble. An occasional shot does no good.

    Now Lidocaine-This one totally mystified him. There is no valid reason, in his estimation, for the use of lidocaine in any athletic application-certainly NOT by a non medical professional. It is a local anesthetic and is extremely short lasting. It is used to numb specific areas for relatively quick surgical procedure like stitches and to numb an area while a short procedure is performed (like when I had cataract surgery or the eye injections). He also said that a trainer should not legally have access to the substance, as it is prescription only. Now all of this does, indeed cast aspersions on Clemens and others who went the “B12 Injection” route. However, let us look at this situation somewhat more realistically.

    There is no definitive proof that Clemens did anything other than be an idiot and a not very nice one, at that. There is no positive test result. There is no trail of checks buying these substances. There is no delivery record of him receiving any of these substances from manufacturers. What we have is much supposition and conjecture. We have uncorroborated testimony -look to the term unindicted co -conspirator and then ask a lawyer what weight to put on this testimony. A first year Law Student could have this thrown out of court before a jury ever heard it. Case closed. Case over. There is no other proof.

    Folks. The last time I checked, this was still the Good Ole US of A, where the rule is “Innocent until proven guilty.” Not guilty in the court of Public Opinion (Lord save us from being judged by Coach and his ilk) which holds little or no water. You cannot condemn a person for what you THINK they did. You must have definitive proof. Testimony from a person like McNamee means virtually nothing. Its is quite obvious he did this because he was coerced. He didn’t just go to the investigators and say “I’m an upstanding citizen-let’s clear the air.” No, they had dirt on the guy and he made a deal-that adheres to the quack test as well. Can a person who is threatened with Federal Penitentiary be trusted? Would he not lie his ass off to avoid Leavenworth? I sure would.

    Sorry y’all. There is but one solution to the whole problem-Make sure it does not continue or will not happen again. Institute rigorous blood (not urine) testing. Make the penalties so substantial that they truly constitute a penalty (did you see that Mota was cheered on his return from suspension?). Bring in an outside concern to administer the testing. Going back post facto and trying to assign blame unevenly and unfairly is nothing but a Witch Trial tactic. Condemning people on the basis of non existent evidence and conjecture is McCarthian, at best. I would sincerely hope that We are better than that.


  99. 102 chrisklob January 8, 2008 at 11:11 am

    I am still struggling with this Clemens/McNamee situation and trying to understand under what scenario McNamee would have given Clemens’ up. If he was told that he would be prosecuted for lying then why would he unnecessarily give up a guy like Clemens who has been considered the best pitcher of this generation by many? Clemens is (was?) a sure-fire, first ballot HOF’er, a legend, and an icon with nothing more to gain and everything to lose. What, then, is the motivation to give Clemens up if he’s truly innocent of what is in the Mitchell Report?

    The only scenario that I can come up with, and I realize that it’s pretty absurd and unrealistic, is that McNamee injected steroids/HGH without Clemens’ knowledge and told him that it was lidocaine and B12. Perhaps McNamee had some sort of bonus tied to Clemens’ performance. Greed is a powerful force that makes people do things that they would never do under normal circumstances.

    It’s a crazy idea, I know, so don’t crucify me! I’m just trying to understand why McNamee did what he did.


  100. 103 lew614 January 8, 2008 at 11:23 am

    Chris- Suppose I’m a Federal Agent (God Forbid). “Mr. McNamee-we need to put some big names in our report and Roger Clemens is your most high profile client. You’ve already given up Petite, but we know he works out with Roger and we really need Clemens. If you don’t give him up, I guarantee you will do time at a Federal Facility. WE already have you for distribution of anabolic steroids. If we don’t get a coup from you, then Dude, you’re gone and then what happens to that sick son of yours”? If this is me, I give Clemens up whether or not he did it.

    Now this doesn’t indicate to me Clemens innocence. However, would you believe what this guy said when they can hold this over his head-when they already have enough to send him up? There is no other evidence against Clemens except this testimony. You can not convict in a court of law on uncorroborated Co Conspirator testimony. It is not allowed. Short of Andy Petite coming out and corroborating McNamee’s testimony concerning Clemens, it is a legal no go. Bottom line. What you or I believe to be true (to quote an old Jefferson Airplane song) “Doesn’t mean SH*t to a tree.”


  101. 104 journalist jimmy smith January 8, 2008 at 11:25 am

    and who swung the hammer? coach. perhaps? clemens can be convicted in the court of public opinion for being a numba$$. anything more is he said/ she said. clemens repeated appearances do clemens little good. chicken little comes to mind. time will likely tell. sorta like mike vick knew nothing about dog fighting. conversely, the duke lacrosse team. yes, time will likely tell. in the meantime, butt numbing may become a new blog buzzword. like that was a butt-numbing post. should try it on that other blog since carolina lady won’t like it here. in fact, nevermind.


  102. 105 chrisklob January 8, 2008 at 11:38 am

    Lew, why does Mitchell feel compelled to include a “big name” in his report? What is the benefit to him to include someone whose name was only extracted by coercion when he knows the person may or may not be guilty? I didn’t think the reason for the report was to create a lot of flash and sizzle but to demonstrate how widespread the use of PED’s is in MLB.


  103. 106 lew614 January 8, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    Chris-Not Mitchell. He has zero power to pput anyone in Federal Prison. The Feds, Dude. The Justice Department. They were a part of this too. Ask Baroid Bonds. Clemens will be next.


  104. 107 lew614 January 8, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    As far as flash and sizzle-do you think perhaps after two years and $20 million that he had something more to show than Brian Roberts and some of the other dregs he came up with? All in all, the report was a flipping joke. There was little of substance in it. Even some of the checks written to the Mets guy could have been for clubhouse duties that had little or nothing to do with steroids. Time to move on. Nothing can or should be done about what may or may not have happened in the past-even Mitchell said as much. Make sure it doesn’t happen again and let’s talk about something else. This will get us nowhere and I for one, am damn sick and tired of the whole sordid affair..


  105. 108 mrgil January 8, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    Okay, All together now…. We are not talking about a court of law here. Yes Lew, you are absolutely correct when you say in a criminal court the whole he said she said would likely not even warrant a hearing. But, why would a guy who has such an obvious attraction for someone, lie about something when all he has to do is tell the truth?

    Are we ready to say Palmerio was lying when he said he thought he was getting a B-12 shot but Clemens is not when he says he was getting a B-12 shot? You just cannot play it both ways. How about Barry when he says the same thing?

    It usually comes down to who has the most credibility. It is why the judge will almost always take the word of a police officer over that of a private citizen in court.

    Just because a person is not convicted does not always mean they are not guilty. Conversely, because a person is convicted of a crime does not mean they were really guilty. Do we not hear every day of someone release from prison because evidence later proved their innocence?

    Personally, it makes little difference to me other than to prove there is a big problem in sports. The answer, make it legal for all or illegal for all but don’t say it’s okay for some but not for others. There should be no sense of entitlement because someone is a good guy. The truth is the truth and that is all I’m going to say about that…..


  106. 109 savannahguy January 8, 2008 at 12:18 pm

    Spartacus was Victorious.

    After his final victory, the widely hailed Gladiator was crucified by the walls of Rome. Is the Mitchell Report debacle and Clemens public execution an index to baseball in America or an ominous sign of an impatient, distrustful and bloodthirsty culture looking to exact punishment before a crime is proven? With a turned thumb from the crowd, a Gladiator is being destroyed.

    This entire steroids fiasco is disturbing. What has transpired for a dozen years behind the curtains of MLB and the Players Union is a sham. What is playing out in the public square outside the Coliseum is far more troubling than what individual players may have injected.

    Not claiming any particular keen insight or long-distance vision, I saw this Mitchell Report mess coming from about 500 miles away. It was not crystal ball stuff nor was it a Nostradamus worthy prediction, but now we’re seeing come to pass what I’ve warned of multiple times, including the prediction that Mitchell and MLB would not accomplish anything productive by releasing a partial list of names in his anemic investigation. This spectacle smacks of McCarthyism and the chattering masses are getting louder all the time.

    In terms of our legal system, the game of baseball and all that is good in America, the Mitchell investigation and the resulting injustice may prove to be more of a debacle than the steroid era itself. Contrary to it’s stated purpose, the Mitchell Report may prove convenient for the perpetrators. This may just be useful for the Players Union. This embarrassment may turn out to be an advantage for MLB. This travesty of justice provides a convenient smokescreen for Selig and Fehr. Even with its myopic focus and gross mismanagement, this spectacle couldn’t have been planned or executed any better to achieve a positive outcome for the actual steroid users, dealers and those that profited from an artificially enhanced game.

    Now in the world of baseball, instead of hot-stove discussions or talk of spring baseball, all we see in the media and on the blogs are parsing critics, self proclaimed mind readers, lawyers, talking heads, gossip columnists, sports columnists, language experts, handwriting experts, drug experts, PR people, blah, blah, yakety yak and so on.

    In the weeks following the release of the Mitchell Report, a scapegoat was required to balance the Barry Bonds investigation and give the appearance that MLB was serious about change. Roger Clemens fit the bill perfectly. Starting before Mike Wallace’s interview and reaching a crescendo after the infamous telephone conversation between Clemens and McNamee, all of Clemens’ words, voice inflections, glances, winces, blinks, squints, gestures, mispronunciations and past rude behaviors now dominate everything in baseball. The man is under a microscope. Who among us could “look” innocent with the harsh light that is being cast on his every twitch and utterance?

    Barry Bonds may have really lucked out here. Now he has a diversion to dilute his own issues. Misery loves company. There are and always will be people that think Clemens is guilty. There will always be people that believe Barry Bonds is innocent. There will always be speculation but there will never be a trial for Clemens. Whether you think Roger Clemens is guilty or not, he will never be convicted in a court of law or disciplined by the MLB. But that won’t stop the media circus, the wild speculation and the unfair inflammatory guesswork of the media or fans.

    Now we’re seeing Clemens criticized for secretly taping his “friend”. That friend either falsely accused him or, after being in cahoots in an illegal activity, ratted him out. Either way, Clemens was wrong to tape? Are they serious? The man’s career is on the line. His reputation has been besmirched. He has been publicly humiliated. His freedom could be threatened. All of this and he shouldn’t tape the man that betrayed him? Even is Clemens is guilty, that make no sense.

    To those that have already convicted Clemens, it doesn’t seem to matter that McNamee is a weasel and of dubious character. It obviously didn’t matter to Mitchell and it doesn’t seem to matter to the hordes of fans that have already convicted Clemens. All that seems to matter is that the big, stubborn, multi-Cy Young winning warrior who has often shunned the media and behaved like a bull in a China shop receives an overdue comeuppance.

    That’s right. Tear down the idol. Kill the warrior. Crucify the Gladiator. That’ll surely fix everything. Damn the evidence, to hell with our constitutional right of presumed innocence until proof of guilt and spit on any semblance of benefit of doubt. Someone must pay. Someone big must pay.

    Clemens is no saint. He’s obviously not a lawyer or a public speaker. He’s not a pharmacist or a dietician. He’s not particularly articulate. He’s been rude to the media and so on, but those personality traits and habits don’t make the man guilty.

    There are those that say the burden of proof to arrive at a guilty verdict shouldn’t be as rigid for sports as it is for other crimes and misdemeanors tried in a criminal courtroom. Why on earth would that be the case? Why the double standard? Is it that we think sports stars are either above us or below us but never “like” us? Is it that sports stars are rich, therefore deserving of harsh treatment? Is it that sports stars don’t deserve the same protection as thieves and murderers? Do we think that no baseball pitcher could or should win as many games and have a career go on that long?

    Personally, I just don’t get the moral and ethical contradictions I’ve seen coming from people on this. What has happened to our sense of justice? Is this the car wreck that many NASCAR race fans love to witness but would never admit? Is this a case of the “have-nots” taking down one of the “haves”? By taking down one of the greatest pitchers of all time, do we feel relieved that the righteous authorities and MLB finally did something grandiose to prove once and for all that they actually care about cleaning up our hallowed game?

    Perhaps the roar of the crowd has inspired Marcus Licinius Crassus to call for a showing of thumbs. The more successful the Gladiator, the more thrilled the crowds become with his demise. Thumbs down and a defeated warrior would surely restore order and power to the throne. The citizens would have their blood. The fans would have a vicarious victory over one that, until that day they had admired, cheered for and even idolized.

    The most victorious warriors certainly make the most exciting and impressive victims. Is it because the spectators and fanatics could leave the stadium feeling their own meager lives were somehow made more glorious…somehow their own sins redeemed? At long last, the seemingly invincible Spartacus that so many cheered was being crucified. Somehow, in the twisted mindset of the rabid fans, they were no longer less than the warrior.

    The true perpetrators and profiteers of this carnage will never be accused, much less tried in the court of law or public opinion. Their hands are clean. They did their dirty work with a wink and a nod. They were nowhere near the shadows where snakes sold and dispensed the drugs. They were nowhere near the kids who made the bad decision to take PED’s to compete against other kids that were also artificially enhancing themselves with PED’s.

    The true perpetrators of the steroid era made untold fortunes on the backs, the livers, hearts, muscles and bones of the young players. They…the ones who profited by the abnormal expectations and accomplishments of the kids that play should be the primary focus of the investigation, not the players that were named and accused by people with every reason to have ulterior motives.

    In a world of true justice, Bud Selig would be forced to step down. Donald Fehr would be forced out. The Mitchell Report should be filed in the botched investigation box that resembles a trash bin. Those things will never happen. George Mitchell. Unwitting as he may have been, should be roundly criticized for this inept effort and conflict of interest with his affiliations with the Boston Red Sox. The dubious report defies all standards of jurisprudence and investigative process. It is monumental lapse of good judgment and common sense. Announcing player’s names on nothing but uncorroborated tales from suspicious characters is a crime in and of itself.

    MLB should be criticized and restructured for it’s dubious procrastination and blind eye for so many years while young players were literally dying to compete. Drug testing and proactive technical R&D should be a priority and commenced immediately. Zero tolerance should be enacted.

    But here we were last month and today and here we will be for months and years to come…talking about whether Roger Clemens insinuated this or gestured that or blinked when he said such and such. Collectively, we are so high and mighty that we can read minds and pass judgment before we have a shred of proof. My citizens, that is adverse to what America stands for.

    Who among us knows if Clemens took steroids? I’ll guarantee that I don’t know the answer and neither do any of you. Clemens may or may not be guilty. That will probably never be known, but that’s not the point in this. Point is, the way this was ignored for so many years, the way it was investigated and the way a partial list of names was released without any more evidence than a drug dealer’s word is what I have a problem with.

    Clemens is being tarred and feathered because of the testimony of a known liar and self-confessed lawbreaker. Clemens has already been found guilty in the court of public opinion. It is a shame and it is a travesty. Even if Roger Clemens passes a lie detector test with flying colors, vehemently denies steroid use when he testifies under oath before Congress on January 16th and even if McNamee recants his testimony and accusations, Clemens will remain guilty by many. The warrior must fall. Then Mitchell, Selig and Fehr and many fans can go about their business knowing that something symbolic was done to clean up the game of baseball.

    It’s truly a disgrace and a pity to see what’s become of baseball in all of this. It’s getting to the point that I don’t even care who did what. I just want the MLB to get their act together and fix it immediately. No solutions will be found in individual prosecutions or rear view mirrors. Cherry-picking violators will serve no justice.

    Because of this, I’m hoping Clemens will be cleared. That will provide something more useful than seeing a warrior brought down. It would be a smack in the face of Crassus and his minions and an indication of how pointless and fruitless this inquisition has been. Sorry for taking up so much space and hurting your eyeballs, but it’s important. It’s huge. It’s not just about baseball; it’s about our culture. Perhaps that’s just me.

    Whether Clemens is guilty or not, MLB needs to fix baseball and Americans need to step back and consider the madness of our unfair prejudgment and persecution of individuals.


  107. 110 Bob, journalist January 8, 2008 at 12:23 pm



  108. 111 savannahguy January 8, 2008 at 12:35 pm

    Whoa! Mr. Fly didn’t take that long on Bob’s blog several weeks ago to ridicule and condemn the Mitchell Report. But then, Mr. Fly is a sleuth reporter and keeps his emotions in check.


  109. 112 williamwallace January 8, 2008 at 12:43 pm

    Wow. Great post Savannah.


  110. 113 flbravesgirl January 8, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    Wow, SG, very impressive.

    I don’t like Clemens much. His “I’m retiring, now I’m back to the highest bidder” act disgusted me. And I had some suspicions about him re: steroids for some time. But I have to agree with you. People are jumping all over him on nothing but the word of someone who we already know is untrustworthy. It’s not like he tested positive for something.

    I don’t think there’s anything baseball can do to clean up the past (much as I would love for them to take the HR record away from Bonds). How would they decide who to punish without test results? The practical thing for Bud to do is publicly admit there was a serious PED problem the past few decades, apologize to the fans for turning a blind eye until he was forced to address the issue & immediately announce a much stricter testing program to ensure that the problem will not continue. Of course it won’t happen but it’s what should be done.


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  112. 115 flbravesgirl January 8, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    Um… CL… how did my name get on the lineup card? 😯 I am absolutely positively not a writer. Seriously, ask Grinch about my notoriously brief emails. Do we have an emoticon that signifies “panic attack” ?!?


  113. 116 mrgil January 8, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    So tell me SG, how do you really feel? 🙂

    Sports imitates life, you would think Rodger is running for public office… 🙂

    Of course baseball could do like most industries and put the worst violators in charge of security. After all, they know all the tricks.

    As for buying drugs from shady characters… who else you going to get them from? Of course they are shady, it is seldom the alter boys selling the “cocaine”. Are they holding Roger to a higher standard? Of course, the same as they did with Mick Vick, the same as Barry Bonds.

    Say it ain’t so Joe….. Alas, it is more often true than not. Best way to not be a suspect is not act guilty. At least don’t associate with known deviants…


  114. 117 mrgil January 8, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    flbravesgirl, you might possible be excused by performing a special task such a providing baked goods to the staff… 🙂


  115. 118 savannahguy January 8, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    After reading several blogs, several web site articles and watching several news reports on the Mitchell/MLB/Clemens issue last night, I went to bed with a nagging feeling and bitter taste about the whole affair.

    After taking care of a little business this morning, I began writing my thoughts on the subject. And writing and writing. I think my purpose was less about changing anyone’s mind than it was about providing another perspective and probably just getting it out of my own system (at the expense of your blog space…sorry).

    Hopefully I achieved something other than reminding everyone how much I lack brevity in my opines. Anyway, after posting, I proceeded to read this mornings posts. Lew, I think we pretty much agree on this and it was interesting to see how, although our words and perspective was from a slightly different place, we seem to agree on the fundamentals. Good posts. Enjoyed them.

    Also good posts by others on either side of the issue. Ain’t blogs great?


  116. 119 mrgil January 8, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    And SG, I would never criticize your usage of blog space as you make a valid argument for fair play…. Of course, that is my objective too. To see that everyone plays fair.

    NOTE TO SELF: Do not get into a debate with savannahguy… 🙂


  117. 120 savannahguy January 8, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    CL, on the lineup card: I’m perfectly happy with Tex batting cleanup right behind Chipper…but I’m not nearly as comfortable batting cleanup behind Scribe. Besides, there’s usually nobody on base after he clears ’em.

    My Ribby’s will surely be down this season.


  118. 121 savannahguy January 8, 2008 at 2:09 pm

    Hate to hit and run, but duty calls. Back later…


  119. 122 ssiscribe January 8, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    The Goose is in: Goose Gossage is elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame. Wonder if Mark Davis will pen the story about Goose getting in? And will a Seal ever make it into Cooperstown?

    Ah, life in the blogosphere … ain’t it grand!

    CL, thanks much for including me in the blog lineup. I’ll be glad to post a lead again once it gets back around to me.

    Murphy, FYI, received 75 votes, 13.8 percent, good for 14th place. David Justice received one vote.

    Jim Rice fell shot again, getting 392 votes, 72.2 percent.



  120. 123 arkansashillbilly January 8, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    I echo what FBG said. Definitely not a writer. Put my name on the backburner for a while and I’ll try to come up with something once the season begins. That would give me more material to sort through.


  121. 124 williamwallace January 8, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    I don’t get these HOF voters. You were either good enough or you were not. How did Dale Murphy get more votes 10 years ago than he does today? Has Dale been mired in some Andruw-esque slump for the past 10 years I was not aware of?

    To hear the media go on about how this guy or that guy is inching ever so closer, just makes me say huh? They are baseball writers, they are supposed to be fans and students of the game. They are given 5 years between retirement and their first time to vote for a player. You would think they would study up on the guy during that time. It appears they don’t. Then they appear on the ballot for 15 years.

    Jim Rice comes so close this year. Why is that? He retired 19 years ago but all of a sudden baseball writers realized how good the guy was? Huh? What the heck is up with that? He retires. 5 years later, they are not sure. Year after year after year passes and they still are not sure. 14 years on the ballot and all of a sudden he garners 72% of the vote.

    Isn’t that just an admission from sportswriters that they were lazy during the entire time Rice played, they were lazy during the 5 year waiting period, and then they were lazy during his entire first 13 years on the ballot. Then all of a sudden in the 14th year, most of them decided to stop being lazy and eating cheesesteaks all day and studied and said, oh, that guy was pretty darn good in his day. But still not enough of them did that because, as a group, they are a lazy, shallow lot. Maybe in his 15th and final year on the ballot, we can get enough sportswriters to do their darn jobs.

    Take away the responsibility from the writers. They are negligent. They don’t care. Too much ego. Too much laziness. Too much shallow minded stupidity. Give it to the players. Let every living ballplayer who has ever stepped to the plate or fired a pitch decide who amongst their peers deserves induction. Yeah, there might be cronyism and pettiness shown by the players to each other. But it sure beats the cronyism and pettiness shown by the writers.

    I mean, come on, in his 9th year on the ballot, these morons woke up and said wow, you know what, Goose Gossage was a great reliever. Fools and Idiots.


  122. 125 Carolina Lady January 8, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    Lineup Card will be modified:
    FBG: Team caterer
    Hillbilly: bench coach


  123. 126 arkansashillbilly January 8, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    OH!!!! I’m Chino!!!! Could never fit into that uniform 😀


  124. 127 lew614 January 8, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    Definitely a good day for waterfowl the world over. I’m tired. I want Spring Training to start. Wish they’d just go stone someone and get it over with.


  125. 128 flbravesgirl January 8, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    Extra desserts for Hillbilly ’til he fills out his uni. lol


  126. 129 Carolina Lady January 8, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    Hillbilly, 1st base coach? 3rd base coach? (2nd base coach???) bullpen coach? Whacha think?


  127. 130 arkansashillbilly January 8, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    Speaking of waterfowl, I just finished on of my greatest creations in the kitchen, yet. I actually didn’t invent it, but I added a few touches of my own, so I can claim it as my own recipe, I guess. I cut some fresh duck breast (nothing better than wild wood duck) into strips about as big as cocktail sausages. Wrapped each strip in a piece of bacon and held it all together with a toothpick. I then marinated it all in Italian dressing, seasoned salt, garlic powder, and Dale’s Seasoning (a steak marinade similar to worcestershire <–spell). Fired up the grill yesterday and cooked them with a couple of ribeye’s and just finished eating the leftovers today. This, my friends, is why I love being a hunter 🙂


  128. 131 arkansashillbilly January 8, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    Hey, I can handle whatever you throw at me. Consider me a utility player/coach of sorts.


  129. 132 arkansashillbilly January 8, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    Designated for assignment. Willing to wait in the minors, until called upon? Nah, I’d rather stick with being Chino. I’ve been called worse.


  130. 133 Carolina Lady January 8, 2008 at 3:27 pm

    Uh huh. You want all those goodies FBG is gonna send so your uniform will fit!


  131. 134 lew614 January 8, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    Hillbilly-I’ve got a nice wood duck painting up on my website.

    [CL: Lew’s website]


  132. 135 nacly January 8, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    SG and Braveheart:
    Very nice posts today, as usual. You guys make me feel like Garth: Not worthy!

    FBG…ArkaBilly, ya’ll write super posts…just put about 10 of ’em together and you’ve done a lead! Recipes work, too! Don’t be shy!! 🙂


  133. 136 Carolina Lady January 8, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    You’re right, Salty! They don’t have to be long, just express some of the writer’s thoughts/feelings/observations/hopes/whatever, hopefully about baseball, even more hopefully – about the Braves – past, present, future.


  134. 137 arkansashillbilly January 8, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    I’ve noticed that painting in the past, but I always seem to forget to comment on it. Flawless portrayal of what I consider the prettiest of all duck species in North America. Nice work. Do y’all have wood ducks in Vermont? We’re infested with them in the riverbottoms of South Arkansas.


  135. 138 Carolina Lady January 8, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    😆 If somebody had told me 5 weeks ago that I would have a baseball blog up and running, I would have made arrangements for him/her to have a nice, long stay at the Dorothea Dix (Mental) Hospital! Then I couldn’t even spell it and now I ARE one! 😆


  136. 139 Bob, journalist January 8, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    Fan Fest … where we pay for the privilege of supporting our team … and if we pay even more, we can improve our prospects for gaining access to our heroes … autographs and more!

    Hopefully, those who “attend” will enjoy themselves!

    I understand guns and butter, especially the good churned stuff … and why we have plastic margarine substitutes … I understand Jimmy’s cousin Adam and can see the invisible … but, the economic utility of blatant exploitation of a valued resource such as a team’s fanbase escapes me … while the notion of a “fan fest” is to be supported, methinks they could, if they so wanted, do a much better job of accommodating fans and encouraging participation … with a much greater utility expectation.


  137. 140 lew614 January 8, 2008 at 5:01 pm

    Hillbilly-Yeah, they have them here and all through New England. I used several duck photos for the painting, but the landscape (though fictional) is very typical of Vermont. It gets pretty cold in the winter, but I’ve seen summers that never went over 80. From June through October, you can’t find a more beautiful place. Makes the winters almost worthwhile. Spring Training does the rest.


  138. 141 mrgil January 8, 2008 at 5:48 pm

    Bob, You realize that margarine is only one molecule away from being plastic? Butter is much better for you.


  139. 142 mrgil January 8, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    CL… Not just a blog but a top of the line, active and intelligent blog..


  140. 143 journalist jimmy smith January 8, 2008 at 6:20 pm

    Caurlina Lady, if I am after Chrisklobb, when does Chrisklobb post? And how do I applie for my cookys from FBG? And what about the expenze account?


  141. 144 journalist jimmy smith January 8, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    once again chop seal has posted using jimmy smith’s computer. chop seal needs a laptop of chop seal’s own now that chop seal is a beet writer. should probably have an expense account from carolina lady, too.


  142. 145 Carolina Lady January 8, 2008 at 6:28 pm

    One expense account is enough for any seal. And FBG is busy baking delicacies so Hillbilly will be able to fill out his uni. 🙂

    Gil, it’s a tribute to those blogging here! I’m indeed grateful!


  143. 146 savannahguy January 8, 2008 at 6:48 pm

    You realize that margarine is only one molecule away from being plastic?

    Gil, so I guess Mrs. Robinson’s friend that gave advice to Benjamin (Dustin Hoffman’s character) in The Graduate was correct. It is “plastics” after all. Even in that stuff resembling butter.


  144. 147 journalist jimmy smith January 8, 2008 at 7:05 pm

    where do the dwindling dwarves dwell? chop seal may be in sympathy with the writers’ strike. not sure at this time. talking with tom glavine now. may need gil to mediate. will advise.


  145. 148 savannahguy January 8, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    Great HOF post Braveheart. Agreed especially on the players having the votes.


  146. 149 savannahguy January 8, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    This election season my political junkiedom is usually in full swing. This year I’m trying to remain calm and not get too hung up in all of it. Note to self…don’t watch every precinct report every vote. Don’t channel surf so much just to see how each cable or network channel spins it.

    The way we run campaigns in this country is so bizarre and so long. Never mind. I won’t go into it. What the hell does Iowa and New Hampshire know anyway?

    I’m curious with our group: who do you guys think will represent each party in the general election? Not necessarily your choice mind you..just who you think will win. My prediction is Romney vs. Obama.


  147. 150 williamwallace January 8, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    Thanks for the kind words Salty and Savannah.

    In honor of Mobile’s finest shortstop, Ozzie Smith, I’m in a Wizard of Oz mood tonight. For some reason, something about what is gonna happen tonight keeps this song in my head: ding, dong, the witch is dead, which ole witch, the wicked witch, ding dong, the wicked witch is dead.

    Which witch am I speaking of? Well…… let’s just say when she shed her crocodile tears yesterday, I was shocked she didn’t start screaming, I’m melting, I’m melting, I’m melting as the water from her tears streamed down her face. I found Clemens more believable yesterday than her tears.

    You wish all politicians would talk like Ron Paul but it is easy for him to talk that way since he has no shot. Kind of like the scrubby baseball players who tell the truth about their steroid use. Much easier to be honest when you have nothing to lose.

    Well, anyways, election years are always kind of fun for me. It’s even more fun when there is no incumbent. Kinda like how we all get enamored with minor leaguers and rookies. Eventually, we get sick of ’em and trash ’em or just take ’em for granted or we start gazing down for new rookies, contenders, and minor leaguers to replace ’em. But when they are new, we always love ’em.

    I’m hoping for Obama vs. Huckabee. I’m impressed with both men and find each to be eloquent, inspirational, passionate, ethical gentlemen who can finally give us a clean fight fought fair and square with the focus upon the issues and none of the ugly, mudslinging crapola we have unfortunately become accustomed to. Maybe I’m naive. Maybe they will be just as bad as anyone else.

    But America needs a good clean fair and square fight. We don’t see enough of that anymore, if we ever did in the first place. Baseball has broken our hearts over the last two decades because it has not been a good clean fight fought fair and square. Hopefully, our two presidential hopefuls can act presidential and change and set the tone for the rest of America by fighting each other fair and square. For me, for whatever my own personal feelings are, Obama and Huckabee provide the best hope of that. Maybe I’m wrong about the two of them though and they will break my heart as Andy Pettitte and others have done.

    But I just want this country to restore respect for the White House and the Office of the President of the United States. No matter what side of the fence you are on, it has to be heartbreaking that ever since Nixon, America for some reason feels it is fine to declare open season upon our President. Nixon, Carter, 41, Clinton, 43 all had to go through it.

    Ronald Reagan had to go through it a bit as well and maybe I was just a kid at the time so I was not that aware of the nonsense and shots he took but I feel like at least when he was in the White House people still had some respect for the Office and the position he held. Or, at least, that is how I felt about Reagan as a child. I was in awe of the man, the way a child should be in awe of our President, no matter who the President is.

    I really wonder these days if kids over the last 16 years have felt the same way about Clinton and W. I often wonder if, as an American culture, we adults have allowed our children to be awestruck by our President despite whatever our own personal feelings as adults about the man in the White House may be. Or are we too selfish and petty as adults and that has trickled down to our children and we fail to let innocence be served? I dunno. I don’t have kids. But it is something that really bothers me.

    But, even as an adult and even as a registered Republican who always votes as a a Democrat and despite not being a big fan of alot of the decisions of W at all, I just get so sick and tired of the cheap shots and the denigration of my Presidents. I might not like the men or their decisions but, chrissakes, can we have a little respect for my President, our President?

    And, I’m not saying that is W’s or even Clinton’s fault. It’s America’s fault. For some reason, we feel free to just talk horribly about our President for the whole world to hear like he is a piece of garbage. Maybe he is and we thankfully have the freedom to say it if that is what we believe because we live in America but it still doesn’t make it right and, frankly, it makes me angry and sick to my stomach.

    I’ve lost my train of thought here because it upsets me so. I think what I am trying to say was better described by Savannah Guy earlier today in his lengthy well written post about Clemens and our sad culture.

    I just want a change in the culture of these things. I naively and hopefully believe at this stage that Obama and Huckabee is the best chance for that. McCain and Edwards wouldn’t be too bad either because I believe they are very good men as well. But Hillary, Guiliani, Romney? Please don’t make me puke. The three of them are dirtbags who can’t do anything but lift themselves up by putting others down and destroying them. Thompson, Paul, Richardson? I believe them to be good men as well but they need to know when to hold ’em, know when to fold ’em, know when to walk away, know when to run.

    But, anyway, is it just me or does Huckabee kind of look like Kevin Spacey? Hillbilly, what kind of governor was he? I probably should learn more about their politics before I spout off like this.

    Sorry for the politics. But we’re amongst friends here. But if CL feels differently, then she can certainly delete and I will understand and won’t be offended one bit. She can even scold me and call me a hypocrite. But I feel like this is a much different forum with a select group of people who can discuss with each other difficult, complex things like politics without the mudslinging and riff raff tearing us apart as we would have in other forums. But, if not, I understand.



  148. 151 Carolina Lady January 8, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    WW, I agree with much of what you say. As for the treatment of the office of President of the United States, I lay the blame squarely at the feet of the “media” and of too-liberal professors slathering it on in colleges and universities. Kids aren’t taught to think for themselves and believe most of what they hear. Just my point of view in that respect.

    John Edwards: Don’t trust that man for one second!! He ran for the US Senate to represent the people of North Carolina. You should have heard him campaigning! His “highest ambition is to serve the people of North Carolina in the Senate.” Right. In a very few months after being elected to fulfill his highest ambition, he began running for President.

    He didn’t even know the route to his Senate office and he was off on the campaign trail. Knowing he wouldn’t win, he wanted exposure so he could make a ‘serious’ run now. During all those months – nearly 2 years, he no more served in the Senate than a man in the moon!

    He’s a self-serving greedy hypocrite. If you’ll recall in the last primaries, he didn’t even carry his home state. The great majority of people in this state view him with disdain and disgust. He’s just another rich, ambulance-chasing lawyer with ambition. Do not trust what he SAYS.

    And that’s my $.02! 😆 (If you like, I’ll tell you how I really feel!)


  149. 152 Bob, journalist January 8, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    Mr. Gil and I may well be acquainted, having spent much time in the bushes and among the trees … whether it be playing golf or paying one’s dues. While there are those who consider winning to be the singular objective and view rules as a matter of convenience … there are others who believe that the rules define the “game”, adherence is a matter of honor, and that intentional violation of the rules should result in disqualification and/or expulsion.

    I began playing golf with but a vague understanding of the games basic rules … early on, I found myself losing a match because of a penalty invoked for my having improperly grounded my club while in a hazzard, compounded by my having not reported the infraction.

    I’m not suggesting that I was above attempting to take advantage when the opportunity presented itself … but in this case I was innocent of intentional misconduct and I was incensed that I was so severely penalized for a simple, honest mistake. I might have even given up the game, but for the wisdom of the official who adjudicated the situation … “Son, have you read the rules of golf? If you aren’t playing by the rules, then you simply aren’t playing the game. You’re playing something, but it isn’t golf!”

    I’ve always thought you could tell a lot about a person by how they approach the games they play … of the millions of folks who own a set of clubs and frequent the links, few play golf! However, of the many who disregard the rules, most have a long list of “reasons” for why they so do.

    Any game is defined by its rules, those established by the game’s governing authority, … including “no holds barred” contests without formal or apparent rules.

    Play by the rules boys … or don’t play!

    The Thracian Spartacus was an interesting piece of work … Douglas the Elder, he was not! Methinks we should study and learn from history … not rewrite it … hero, rouge, villain … Lamont Cranston maybe; Stanley Kubrick methinks not.

    However, Kubrick was a master of persausive illusion and fiction.

    It wasn’t where I was headed and ain’t where I’m going … but it will have to do, at least until after the storm!


  150. 153 nacly January 8, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    You really have a way of writing that does your moniker proud. May the next President comport himself with the passion, empathy, and honesty you display.

    Respect for the Office: agreed. Whomever is elected must respect the position, and love this country, its people, and its heritage with every fiber. Holding the Office must be singularly their most selfless undertaking ever. Being President is a ‘WE’ position, not a me…too many who have held or run for the office miss that.

    It would be wonderful if ‘we the people’ could return to that day when respect for the office existed as well. It can happen, but it will come in far slower, incremental steps than the tearing down of the office took. Respect is something we hold precious here…pass it on.


  151. 154 savannahguy January 8, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    Young Mr. WW has spoken. And quite well, indeed. Not to worry too much though, our core values are intact in America. Just that the extreme minorities are the ones that are loudest and closest to the media that is dominated by same. Don’t be too quick to give up on some of the candidates you think campaign dirty…they all do. Some just get more media attention or negative spin about it than others, particularly the ones that the network pundits fear might win against their own preferences.

    President Reagan was an awe inspiring Commander in Chief. The most we’ve seen in my lifetime. Do I need to say that’s just my opinion? Nah.

    Don’t be too broken hearted about Andy Pettitte. I could be wrong, but I get the sense that he did the HGH purely for healing purposes, not to gain a competitive advantage. Yes, I know…rules…but still.

    CL, right on sister…right on. Don’t buy Breck?


  152. 155 berigan2electricboogaloo January 8, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    Hillary is ahead…..We all expected that…right???? I thought we might be done with her…no such luck. Sorry if I have offended all those supporters of her here! 😛


  153. 156 journalist jimmy smith January 8, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    your all and idiot.


  154. 157 journalist jimmy smith January 8, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    oh, the humanity! that last post was not like jimmy smith at all. journalist does not know what came over journalist to make such a post. perhaps the devil made jimmy smith do it. 👿 jimmy smith has been waiting for an opportunity to use this particular emoticon. 👿 😈 👿 😈


  155. 158 nacly January 8, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    Jimmy…just back off the water a bit! 🙂


  156. 159 berigan2electricboogaloo January 8, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    Perhaps JJS is a huge Hillary fan???? 😀


  157. 160 journalist jimmy smith January 8, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    yes, salty, perhaps it is too much water. getting grumpy like lew. seeing snow in the backyard and it was 70 degress today. must be the water. did journalist mention the b-12, too? and the pain numbing jelly?


  158. 161 berigan2electricboogaloo January 8, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    If you asked me a few hours ago, I would say Obama was a lock to get the Dem nod….Not so sure now. The media had her dead and nearly completely buried. But, you just can’t keep a good woman down. Or Hillary.
    On the Republican side??? Man, what a mystery!!! Huckabee in Iowa, John McCain in NH. Don’t see either getting the national nod. I hope Rudy will do well elsewhere, but he may have screwed up not running in those two states.


  159. 162 journalist jimmy smith January 8, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    jimmy smith will not be drawn into a political discussion but journalist does enjoy a well turned ankle.


  160. 163 williamwallace January 8, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    Perfect example tonight: She fought ugly at the debates, all of a sudden developed a soft, slow voice all weekend, shed a few fake tears that she didn’t even shed when her husband cheated on her, accused the media of playing favorites with Obama thereby shaming them into giving her tons of coverage, and, poof, so many dumb people in New Hampshire change and vote for her. Why do I even bother?

    Savannah, I agree it is all about the extreme minorites. The vocal minority overrules the silent majority. At least in the perception that is created.


  161. 164 williamwallace January 8, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    well, i guess the witch is not dead yet


  162. 165 Carolina Lady January 8, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    Short circuit. Water on the brain.



  163. 166 Carolina Lady January 8, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    I had a very well turned ankle. 7 weeks in a cast.


  164. 167 williamwallace January 8, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    can miss rosalynn at least chime in? i miss that grand ole dame.


  165. 168 savannahguy January 8, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    Iowa and NH do not a campaign make. Lot’s of season left. If it was baseball it would be the end of April.

    Jimmy…European still? Too much water? Too much of a good thing is a bad thing. A well turned ankle is very nice, especially if it comes with a good wrist.


  166. 169 Carolina Lady January 8, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    WW, will you email me through the blog address above? Have a question. 🙂


  167. 170 savannahguy January 8, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    The witch is evidently not dead. Obama best look over his shoulder down that yellow brick road. Many flying monkeys there. Now, is he the Tin Man, the Lion or the Scarecrow. He ain’t Dorothy. Hope Carville isn’t Oz.


  168. 171 arkansashillbilly January 8, 2008 at 9:49 pm


    Here is some of my local landscape.



  169. 172 arkansashillbilly January 8, 2008 at 9:50 pm

    Or not


  170. 173 savannahguy January 8, 2008 at 9:50 pm

    Looks like Bob, J is getting a bit of stormy weather. Bob, get out of the hot tub. Go wireless on that computer.


  171. 174 arkansashillbilly January 8, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    Attempt #2


  172. 175 arkansashillbilly January 8, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    And again


  173. 176 arkansashillbilly January 8, 2008 at 9:54 pm

    And a couple from my trail camera. The one with the buck in the far right background is my favorite.


  174. 177 savannahguy January 8, 2008 at 9:54 pm

    Hillbilly…a billboard in the back yard or is that a plane pulling a banner?


  175. 178 savannahguy January 8, 2008 at 9:54 pm



  176. 179 journalist jimmy smith January 8, 2008 at 9:55 pm

    journalist is not journalist’s self tonight. spent an hour staring at an orange juice container that said, concentrate. jimmy smith has lost that journalistic edge. can water be the cause? too much water? jimmy smith is very nervous and can hear the blue worms out in the garden digging, digging, digging, digging, digging. and chop seal is in the other room beet writing. yes, messy.


  177. 180 Carolina Lady January 8, 2008 at 10:11 pm

    Hillbilly, those are some GREAT photos!! Thanks! 🙂


  178. 181 Carolina Lady January 8, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    WilliamWallace is joining our rotation of blog lead writers! His slot will follow Grinch’s.


  179. 182 Carolina Lady January 8, 2008 at 10:20 pm

    Hillbilly, you are now Bench coach/team photographer! 🙂


  180. 183 savannahguy January 8, 2008 at 10:28 pm

    digging, digging, digging…

    Journalist Jimmy…could be the dreaded Earwig! Oh, the horrors…the horrors! Do you have any alchohol? Pour half in your ear and drink the other half. Mercy…


  181. 184 savannahguy January 8, 2008 at 10:30 pm

    Hillbilly…how did I know there would be turkey and deer in those beautiful photos? Nothing like a spike and some jakes to get the blood boiling. I assume you were in a turkey blind with the camera.


  182. 185 savannahguy January 8, 2008 at 10:33 pm

    Another big bat in the lineup. Congrats Braveheart.


  183. 186 williamwallace January 8, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    It’s my fault. I jinxed it. Long live the witch.


  184. 187 chrisklob January 8, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    Hillbilly, those are some terrific pictures! For those last two, with the turkeys and deer, are they on some sort of time delay or motion detector?


  185. 188 arkansashillbilly January 8, 2008 at 10:41 pm


    No those pics were taken with my trail-camera. Motion activated. I was more than likely at work when those two were taken. Did you see the 8 point in the background of the spike picture? I actually took him with my bow on opening day 2006. I’ve come to enjoy getting the trail-cam pictures as much as I do actually harvesting the animals, though. I’m not just a ruthless animal-slaughterer, like most anti-hunters think we are. 😉 I just enjoy being in those woods. It’s the only thing I love more than baseball (and family).


  186. 189 chrisklob January 8, 2008 at 10:41 pm

    Another big bat in the lineup. Congrats Braveheart.

    I’ll drink to that! And it’s nice to see you over here a little more too!


  187. 190 savannahguy January 8, 2008 at 10:41 pm

    Early morning so it’s that time…a good night to all.

    Klobber, if you show up…you may need to overnight some Skyy Vodka to Journalist Jimmy. Good, clean earwash is needed for a digging bug.

    Not bad in the gullet either.


  188. 192 savannahguy January 8, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    There you are Klobber. Must’a felt your ears burning. Same time, same place…Oh, the irony! Hey, JJS may need a good pour. Digging sounds…


  189. 193 chrisklob January 8, 2008 at 10:49 pm

    SG, just arrived and have been catching up on the day’s posts. Interesting day.

    For me, it was a freaking amazing day. I spent my day on the Grand Pavilion at Wild Dunes Resort, overlooking the Atlantic Ocean. The weather was absolutely stunning (Chamber of Commerce quality) — light breeze, high of about 78 or so, sunny. And to top it all off, I spent it with two young ladies who are not only absolutely stunningly beautiful, but smart and very, very cool. Totally awesome ladies! Best part is, I’m getting paid for my efforts!

    Life is good!

    Oh, and I don’t think Skyy is going to do the trick for jjs. Earwigs are notorously difficult to remove and it’s necessary to get them and yourself highly inebriated to get them out. I’m sending Everclear.


  190. 194 arkansashillbilly January 8, 2008 at 10:53 pm


    That’s a Cuddeback digital trail camera. It’s motion activated. You can set the delay between pictures anywhere from 1 minute to an 60 minutes. I leave mine on 1 minute so I won’t miss anything. It will trigger on small animals, like squirrels and rabbits, also. You would be surprised at what goes on in the woods at night while we’re all at home in bed. I’ve had it for a year and a half, now and have several thousand pictures of various animals from deer and turkeys, to hogs and bobcats, and even a Bear!


  191. 195 Carolina Lady January 8, 2008 at 10:57 pm

    ‘Night, y’all! See you tomorrow! 🙂


  192. 196 chrisklob January 8, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    Hillbilly, that’s awesome. I’m not much of an outdoorsman myself. Don’t have the heart to kill the little creatures, but I’m not morally opposed to it, as long as what’s harvested is consumed. But, I do have a love for animals, either domesticated or not.

    See plenty of deer in our area, of course. My son and I stumbled across a bobcat last summer. He/she was drinking at a small lake near our house and we came off the main path down by the lake and literally wound up being five or six feet from it. Of course, it bolted. My son wasn’t freaked out but I was a little because I’ve heard that they can be kind of mean.


  193. 197 arkansashillbilly January 8, 2008 at 11:09 pm


    I’ve only seen 3 bobcats in all my time hunting. Definitely something special to get that opportunity.

    And I most definitely consume what I harvest. Practically raised on venison and wild pork….but maybe not enough of it, as it seems I’m expected to Chino’s uniform, now 😀


  194. 198 mrgil January 8, 2008 at 11:16 pm

    hillbilly Great pictures…

    Although I shall decline to reveal my political leaning at this time, likely many would be surprised by my choices given the fact I was such a union oriented guy. However, I will offer the following opinion (which means there does not have to be any factual evidence to back it up as it is only an opinion) 🙂

    For the Democrats it is going to come down to Obama and Clinton. Anyone else is just going to play spoiler right now and hope they have enough delegates to be able to cut a deal with the eventual winner. In all honesty, the most electable ticket for the Democrats will be one that does not include Hillary. I am not saying she is unelectable but for Republicans it would be the one person to cause them to win in the south. No president has ever been elected that did not carry the south. You either love Hillary or you hate her, there is no middle ground.

    Carolina Lady, you are the second Tar Heel I have heard speak badly of John Edwards. Must be something to that.

    Obama is a rock star plain and simple, I have not seen this much excitement generated by a candidate since Bobby Kennedy. As much as I don’t agree with his liberalism, I genuinely like this guy. He comes off honest and sincere. For sure he lacks experience but he sure makes up for it in passion. I pray to our Lord and Savior that nothing happens to this young man. I do not think our country could survive it.

    For the Republicans… I think it is too early and too close to call right now. South Carolina is going to be a real bell weather state this year. I want to like them all but I just can’t find it in me to like Giuliani. Sorry, I don’t know why but just don’t. I am starting to warm up a bit to Mike Huckabee as he comes off as very sincere. I have always liked John McCain, I just don’t know if he can pull it off. The rest are pretty much toast.

    Now, my personal preferences aside, I truly hope that both the Democrats and the Republicans will both present a ticket that would make it very hard for me to choose. That is, I could vote for someone instead of against someone. That no matter who is elected, they will be honorable and reasonable and someone we all can be proud of.

    In the last Senatorial election, a political nobody, Jim Webb, came form 23 points down to defeat a guy, George Allen, who was being touted as the front runner for the Republican nomination for President. He lost because many people who had voted for him in the past were embarrassed by his bigotry and felt him unworthy to represent our commonwealth. In other words, he was and idiot and a numbass…

    Virginia is the most liberal conservative state in the union. Character matters. We elected the first black governor in modern times and it is as likely as not for a Democrat to be elected as a Republican.


  195. 199 flbravesgirl January 8, 2008 at 11:18 pm

    Great pics, Hillbilly. My uncle (in South Carolina) has one of those motion cameras pointed at his backyard garden. He wanted to see the deer that was leaving very large tracks amongst the veggies. Turns out he has a whole herd hanging around & the big-hoofed buck is an absolute monster.


  196. 200 lew614 January 8, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    FLBraves Girl-Did you get the email I sent you about Spring Training plans?


  197. 201 flbravesgirl January 8, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    Glad to hear you eat what you shoot, too. I don’t approve of wasting an animal’s life just to stick their head on your wall. Seems like a sin against nature to me.


  198. 202 chrisklob January 8, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    That is, I could vote for someone instead of against someone.


    This is what I want. I’m tired of taking the “lesser of two evils”.


  199. 203 chrisklob January 8, 2008 at 11:25 pm

    flbravesgirl, where does flbravesgirlsuncle live?


  200. 204 mrgil January 8, 2008 at 11:30 pm

    About two hundred acres of wood lands have been converted to subdivisions around me in the past 5 years. It is making it a bit tougher for the game to find suitable habitat. Attempts to buy property adjacent to me has been for naught as the developers have much deeper pockets. That and the historical society as I live on what was once a civil war battlefield. Just too much competition for the land. My real estate assessment went up 25% this year so I am headed to the courthouse this week for a chat. I did not squawk too loudly when it increased last year but the county is getting a bit greedy.


  201. 205 flbravesgirl January 8, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    Yes, Lew. I was actually about to reply when I got sidetracked by an email from Grinch on the same subject. I’ll do my best to be there. I know you don’t indulge in sweets normally but be thinking about dessert requests. I’d like to make it over to Disney to see the Braves workout too but that’s very iffy.


  202. 206 mrgil January 8, 2008 at 11:33 pm

    Okay fine folks, will catch up with you all in the morning… 🙂


  203. 207 flbravesgirl January 8, 2008 at 11:37 pm

    Chris, he lives in the booming metropolis of Picket Post. 😉 Actually their mail comes out of Walhalla in Oconee County. It’s the extreme western corner of SC. They’re an hour’s drive from where I’m moving to, Rabun County, GA.


  204. 208 flbravesgirl January 8, 2008 at 11:56 pm

    Darn it. Everybody left again. Should I bake something? Will the smell draw y’all out?


  205. 209 chrisklob January 8, 2008 at 11:59 pm

    I’m here flbravesgirl! Can’t say I’ve ever heard of Picket Post, but certainly Oconee County. I’m happy that you’ll be closer to family. Also happy that you’ll be closer to Savannah and Charleston. Should reduce shipping costs for the SCAM BAGS corporation that SG and I are setting up!


  206. 210 berigan2electricboogaloo January 9, 2008 at 12:03 am

    Well, sorry folks, you won’t see me around here much anymore. You see, I bet $20 that Hillary would win tonight, and now I am the 3rd richest man in the world! 😛 But, don’t be sad, once Liberty has squeezed every saved tax dollar out of it, I will purchase the braves! 😀 Any players you want??? I’ll buy them! I’ll put the Red Sox to shame, I’ll make the Yankees look like skinflints!
    😈 Josh Beckett will make a swell number 3! I will PROVE money can by happiness, and championships!


  207. 211 chrisklob January 9, 2008 at 12:03 am

    Is that red velvet cake that I smell?


  208. 212 berigan2electricboogaloo January 9, 2008 at 12:05 am

    Chocolate cake will do the trick!!!! 😆


  209. 213 flbravesgirl January 9, 2008 at 12:12 am

    I knew the mention of baking would do the trick!

    Chris, I would be stunned if you’d heard of Picket Post. It’s not even a real town, just their community. They live just off of Hwy. 11. My grandparents lived in Mountain Rest for many years.


  210. 214 flbravesgirl January 9, 2008 at 12:18 am

    Berigan, just buy Liberty. Then you could have the Braves now. Sign Tex & Frenchy to long-term deals please.


  211. 215 flbravesgirl January 9, 2008 at 12:43 am

    … and they’re gone again. Well, blogging with myself is not much fun so I think it’s time to say goodnight. ( Anybody else think of Billy Idol there? “blogging with myse-elf, O O oO” ) 🙂


  212. 216 berigan2electricboogaloo January 9, 2008 at 1:15 am

    Flb, have no fear, I will resign Tex for 10 years, and at quite the reasonable rate. Once I have a hit put on Boras of course! 😈


  213. 217 Bob, journalist January 9, 2008 at 7:01 am

    The storms appear to have abated … can say that?

    Sir Guy!Yes, I know…rules…but still … the “dangling participle” needs undangling. Andy elected to do, whatever it was he did, for reasons of his own … honorable or no. I would be at least mildly surprised if players do not have an avenue of resort when a prescribed or recommended action is known or suspected to be in technical violation of the rules … one that would allow dispensation when warranted.

    I would be even more surprised if well established, high profile players aren’t well aware of the rules, their implications as well as ramifications … and the options available to them. At the same time, I would not be overly surprised if Pettitte’s primary motivation was associated with injury recovery.

    I fehr that it may be only the tip of the iceberg that we’ve seen … for the very limited use of PEDs cannot be logically expected to have dramatic or long term impact, or so methinks.

    Methinks NaCly and WW may be related, perhaps by marriage … no I’m not suggesting they’re married, not to each other … that would be unseemly, though not against the rules, at least in some states.

    It’s more likely that good friend NaCly is taking PEDs but the last time I checked, that’s not against our rules … a strong offense is a good defense, especially when it’s done with such finesse as not to be offensive … well done!

    Granted it’s a two way street but the issue of respect for the office isn’t related to the officeholder … or at least it shouldn’t so be. Methinks those who abuse the office should be held accountable and, if appropriate, replaced. It’s a complex issue … things were fine until Elvis came along, shook things up … how we got here would take some time to explain but it’s fairly easy to see where we are; all you have to do is look … and listen ; third eyes and ears please … methinks there’s little question that we’ve become increasingly media dependent, media influenced, and media controlled … we are seduced into selecting image rather than substance … the answer lies in taking control back from the media and return it to those who represent us at the local level … folks we know, folks we can trust to safeguard our best interests … they in turn select those who will represent our respective parties in the general elections at the higher levels.

    They are charged with those responsibilities … it’s their job … so they are expected to be better informed and qualified than we … and unlike the agenda driven media powerbrokers, can be held directly accountable … that’s our job … I think therein lies the answer … two way respect for the Office, and a whole lot more.

    Select those of integrity at the local level … it works!


  214. 218 nacly January 9, 2008 at 7:21 am

    You have a conundrum of sorts. All those winnings on the Hillary bet puts a bullseye on you. She wants your $$…after taxes, can you still afford Los Bravos? Third richest for how long…and is that pre or after-tax? See, things are simply never as they appear!


  215. 219 journalist jimmy smith January 9, 2008 at 8:26 am

    whoa! nice photos. perhaps the camera picks up blue worm activity? no one has seen an entire blue worm, only a few feet exposed above ground. a photo of an entire blue worm might win a prize. diane lane was once caught on a trail camera during a bad pudding binge. ah, yes, diane lane. sad. birthday coming up. pie day coming up, too. january is a busy month.

    journalist is about ready for some more water. lew, not sure it is working. more later.


  216. 220 arkansashillbilly January 9, 2008 at 8:48 am

    Haven’t seen any blue worms on mine, but I did see some pictures from a South Texas hunter of some illegal aliens crossing the border. They were taken on an infrared no-flash camera, so they never knew it was there.


  217. 221 williamwallace January 9, 2008 at 9:02 am

    “I did see some pictures from a South Texas hunter of some illegal aliens crossing the border. They were taken on an infrared no-flash camera, so they never knew it was there.”

    Damn gringos and their technology.


  218. 222 chrisklob January 9, 2008 at 9:06 am

    Quote taken from today’s NewYorkPost.com article from one of the committee members that will be holding hearings next week including Clemens.

    “I’ll be frank with you, I don’t know what to believe,” Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Md.) said. “I’m a lawyer. Brian (McNamee) is in an interesting situation. As I understand it, the feds said to him tell the truth and you going to be OK. You lie, you got a major problem. I’m trying to figure out why would he be lying. It doesn’t make any sense at all.”



  219. 223 mrgil January 9, 2008 at 9:11 am

    There is true sadness today in my household. Joe Gibbs has announced his retirement from the Washington Redskins as head coach. It is truly a sad day for me. I understand his decision and respect it, at least he didn’t run off in the middle of the season.

    I expect for Greg Williams to take over the team. Many folks have said the game has passed Gibbs by since his return. If that be true, then I find it to be a big disappointment that we have let the inmates run the asylum.


  220. 224 berigan2electricboogaloo January 9, 2008 at 10:02 am

    Salty, you make a good point, giving 98% of my 2 billion to the IRS=not enough left to buy the Richmond Braves!


  221. 225 berigan2electricboogaloo January 9, 2008 at 10:04 am

    Chris, one may wonder why he’d lie, but if he knew that they couldn’t ever prove what he said wasn’t true, he could nail several folks and get off scot free….


  222. 226 berigan2electricboogaloo January 9, 2008 at 10:07 am

    Hillbilly, I imagine your friend was able to alert the authorities, who were shocked, shocked to find people were entering the country illegally, and quickly captured the offenders of US law…..


  223. 227 berigan2electricboogaloo January 9, 2008 at 10:14 am

    And Hillbilly, I don’t know why I forgot to mention last night that your photos were great, but…they are!!!!


  224. 228 nacly January 9, 2008 at 10:15 am

    NaCly is taking PEDs

    See the trouble a single ‘sound byte’ can cause? How long before CNN picks this up? Baseball’s ‘roid problem infects blog-world! Mitchell Report II soon to follow! The humanity!

    Seriously, though…or should I say, humorously; what happens if one googles NaCly?


  225. 230 lew614 January 9, 2008 at 10:25 am

    OH!!The Humanity!!! This should be the new campaign slogan for Hillary.

    I was just listening to CNN and I heard a reporter (Journalist?) say “Hillary won New Hampshire last night because she showed human emotion.” She showed human emotion? Have our expectations in this country been lowered so far that now it is a major character trait to show human emotion? Damn. We are in serious trouble.


  226. 231 nacly January 9, 2008 at 10:35 am

    Depends on the media’s perception of the emoter! If liked, it’s a character trait; otherwise, a vulnerability. How’s that for cynical! 😦


  227. 232 williamwallace January 9, 2008 at 10:37 am

    This is what I love about Hillary: She says in her robotic horrendous speech last night Thank you for helping find my voice. Huh? After all of those boasts of 35 years of experience, she is just now finding her voice? Well, okay, then. Sorry, Hillary, Obama might be inexperienced but the dude doesn’t need any help finding his voice.


  228. 233 williamwallace January 9, 2008 at 10:57 am

    Well, this is a repost of something I posted over there and a variation of something I have previously posted here. But I am disgusted that Andre Dawson received almost 300 more votes than Murphy this year. So, here goes……

    I’m not sure how much voters remember that Murphy was a catcher or how much they even care. Voters should take into account that he did an awful lot of catching early in his career (although not really in the majors). Those years catching take a toll. The toll is usually not evident when they are young but later in their careers. I believe, or want to believe, that those years catching took a toll on him.

    Looks like he was a catcher in 74, 75, 76, 77 full time. He then spent bits of 78 and 79 catching. Even though he was not catching full time in those seasons, I imagine there was alot of practice time spent crouching. They don’t just magically appear at catcher during a game without significantly more time being spent working on being a catcher in practice.

    So, those first 4 years spent being a catcher and then the other 2 years spent working on it had to take their toll on his body and hastened his demise later in his career – especially since he never used PEDs. I don’t know what position he played as a child but if he was playing catcher throughout his formative years that had to take a toll on him as well. This is especially true since he was so tall. You’re seeing now with Joe Mauer that tall catchers have a tougher time with the physical demands of being a catcher than smaller catchers do. And he was not just tall but tall and lean – a double whammy for a catcher.

    And it is important to remember that his East Coast team played in the NL West, which required alot of travel in the days when travel was not as luxurious as it is these days.

    But he did not catch enough for voters to cut him some slack although they probably should. If you take into account the pounding his body endured in his 6 years as a catcher and then combine that physical toll with the physical toll endured as an outfielder on the hard turfs of Atlanta and the other NL parks since hard Astro turfs were all the rage in the NL back in that era, you can see why Dale’s body quit on him at 32.

    Alot of voters are willing to cut Andre Dawson slack because of the physical demands he endured playing on the hard turfs which caused him to suffer many injuries in his career. Why not Dale? The Hawk never caught like Dale did before enduring those punishing hard turfs.

    Dale had more MVPs than Dawson, had more 100 RBI seasons, more 30 homer seasons, more 100 runs scored seasons, more seasons where his OBP was over .370, had more seasons where his SLG was over .500, had more seasons where he racked up over 300 total bases, had more seasons where he got on base over 250 times, had more seasons where his OPS+ was over 140. Murphy had a higher OBP for his career. His OPS+ for his career is 121 as compared to the Hawk’s 119. Murphy’s runs created per game was 5.7. Dawson’s was 5.4.

    But Dawson gets 358 votes and Murphy only gets 75. Whatever. Are those 40 extra homers the difference between not voting for the better or similar player? It’s not like Dawson hit 500 homers. So why are they cutting him slack? Because of the damage done by the hard turf? Well, tell the Hawk he should have tried catching for 6 years and then running around on the hard turf. Maybe if Murphy had never caught, his body would have allowed him to continue to have the quick reflexes he would have needed to remain as productive as he ever was until he was at least 35 years old.

    If you vote for Dawson, then you have to vote for Murphy.


  229. 234 mrgil January 9, 2008 at 11:02 am

    Great story CL… 🙂

    Like I said about Hillary, you either love her or hate her…. Looks like the independents voted for McCain in New Hampshire. Maybe they disliked Mitt Romney more. Silly thing is the spin….. It was not a winner take all election.

    This game of politics is much like football, the announcers are for whoever is winning.

    Politics has really just become a cash cow for the media.

    Yes salty… It’s all about perception. It is why our founding fathers created the electoral college. They felt democracy too fragile to be left to the whims of the masses. Like I said, I sincerely hope I have a slate presented to me which I can vote for rather than one I have to vote against.


  230. 235 williamwallace January 9, 2008 at 11:07 am

    Gil, I forgot to say last night that you said in a paragraph what I couldn’t with thousands of words and over a dozen paragraphs in my post.

    “I truly hope that both the Democrats and the Republicans will both present a ticket that would make it very hard for me to choose. That is, I could vote for someone instead of against someone. That no matter who is elected, they will be honorable and reasonable and someone we all can be proud of.”

    Very well said. I wish I had said it. Was trying to get there but it kept escaping me. Kudos to you.


  231. 236 mrgil January 9, 2008 at 11:09 am

    And Braveheart, you are preaching to the choir here… Murph’s biggest problem was he played on some really bad teams for most of his career. Nobody cared except for a few thousand die hard Atlanta fans. Most of the hacks that get to vote for the HOF could measure up to Murphy as a man, much less as an athlete.


  232. 237 mrgil January 9, 2008 at 11:14 am

    NOTE TO SELF>>> Proof read your work….

    That line should have read: Most of the hacks that get to vote for the HOF could NOT measure up to Murphy as a man, much less as an athlete.


  233. 238 mrgil January 9, 2008 at 11:16 am

    Okay folks, I’m off to see the wizard, Catch ya’ll later…


  234. 239 nacly January 9, 2008 at 11:34 am

    Electoral college…don’t get me started. Don’t like it…in its current format! I understand the thesis, but it’s no longer relevant, in my most very humble view! 🙂


  235. 240 nacly January 9, 2008 at 11:35 am

    By the way WW, saw your post on the ‘other’ blog…thanks for moving it here for all to see. Good points…Murhp is a HOFer!


  236. 241 journalist jimmy smith January 9, 2008 at 11:40 am

    since bloggers are talking politics today, this journalist had lunch yesterday with this journalist’s congressman. jimmy smith asked jimmy smith’s congressman what jimmy smith’s congressman thought about the bipartisan conclave convened in oklahoma and the possibility of elected representatives putting aside partisan agenda for the common good. that congressman just looked at jimmy smith in wonderment and said jimmy smith must be realistic about such matters. in othere words, ain’t gonna happen. oh, the humanity! can’t we all just get along? kumbaya.


  237. 242 Chop Seal January 9, 2008 at 11:56 am

    Braking News! Glowing Pig Passes Genes to Piglets

    Jan 9, 10:22 AM (ET)


    BEIJING (AP) – A cloned pig whose genes were altered to make it glow fluorescent green has passed on the trait to its young, a development that could lead to the future breeding of pigs for human transplant organs, a Chinese university reported.

    Two of the 11 piglets glow fluorescent green from their snout, trotters, and tongue under ultraviolet light, according to Northeast Agricultural University, located in the city of Harbin.

    What will Grinch have to say about this? Glowing green? Trotters? What are trotters? Can say that here? Carulina Lady?

    Beet Writer out.


  238. 243 Chop Seal January 9, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    EXCLUSIVE to Braves and Stuff Blog – not on that other blogg yet.

    Pig trotters are close to pig toes.

    Wafer of Pigs’ Trotter and Sauerkraut

    follow this linkk for recipe:
    : http://www.alsace-route-des-vins.com/NewVersion/index.cfm/fuseaction/Gastronomie.ShowRecette/ID/35/Language/En.cfm

    Have a nice meal !!! Beet writer


  239. 244 williamwallace January 9, 2008 at 12:02 pm

    Salty, since Bob says we are of relation, we need to figure out what the relation is. It’s already been established that Savannah is my cousin and Paladin is my uncle. I guess you could be my uncle as well. But I would imagine you might want to claim to be a part of a different side of the family than my Uncle Paladin, the old devilish rascal that he is. I just tried the other day through email to get my old trusty wingman over here and over there but he ain’t budging until spring training, evidently. Maybe he’s flying around on some top secret mission somewhere in the world. But look for him to land his plane here and there when spring training starts up.


  240. 245 arkansashillbilly January 9, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    Green-apple trotters??? Oh!! banned for sure now. 😯


  241. 246 berigan2electricboogaloo January 9, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    Oh this makes me mad….just read this on the AJC about that poor hiker….
    Death penalty off table

    The affidavit for Hilton’s murder warrant disclosed that Emerson died in Dawson Forest Wildlife Management Area, five miles southwest of Dawsonville, where investigators found her body Monday evening with Hilton’s help.

    He led authorities to her body in exchange for prosecutors’ agreeing not to seek the death penalty against him in the case, Union County District Attorney Stan Gunter told The Associated Press.

    Hilton appeared on Monday before a Union County judge who denied his request for bail. Hilton’s court-appointed attorney, Neil A. Smith, declined to answer questions about the case.

    Did anyone consult her family??? I bet not…..Now, our tax dollars will keep him well fed, and educated. With better health care than the 40 Million non criminal Americans who don’t have insurance….He’ll live another 20 years probably. And of course, there will be lawyers, hot shots dying to make a name for themselves, looking for a t not crossed, to get him off. Or perhaps the murderer can get Brian Nichols attorneys to just waste millions of taxpayers dollars, you know to protect “justice”
    Why couldn’t someone have just shot him when they found him?????


  242. 247 arkansashillbilly January 9, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    Here’s some interesting reading material on some of the Braves top prospects. Granted it’s from a message boarder’s opinion, but interesting none the less:

    It’s a 3 part series, and the third part will be posted sometime next week. Here are the first two parts:

    Part 1: http://www.chopnation.com/?p=210

    Part 2: http://www.chopnation.com/?p=219


  243. 248 nacly January 9, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    Hillary’s been watching television; saw the Geico commercial on ‘Humans, acting humanly’! She’s moved beyond polls and on to Madison Ave. Hopefully, no feet in the pool…leave that to Chop Seal!


  244. 249 Chop Seal January 9, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    Carulina Lady. journalism is a dangerous businees.

    Laptop Explosion

    Jan 9, 1:34 PM (ET)

    SEOUL, South Korea (AP) – After a journalist’s LG Electronics Inc. laptop reportedly exploded in flames, the company said Wednesday it was investigating.

    “LG Electronics is collaborating with LG Chem, the battery maker, to investigate and determine the cause of the problem, as under normal usage conditions, this type of problem should not occur,” LG said in a statement.

    A laptop belonging to . . . a journalist burst into flames Tuesday after smoke began to emerge from it.

    :mrgreen: Beet writer will need a real nice, safe, laptop. :mrgreen:


  245. 250 Carolina Lady January 9, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    Does Chop Seal have a lap??


  246. 251 Chop Seal January 9, 2008 at 5:37 pm

    whoa! lawsuit.


  247. 252 mrgil January 9, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    Oh that was cold CL … 🙂


  248. 253 mrgil January 9, 2008 at 5:41 pm

    Yo hillbilly, thanks for the great links….


  249. 254 Chop Seal January 9, 2008 at 5:52 pm

    Being a beet writer is tough.


  250. 255 mrgil January 9, 2008 at 5:54 pm

    “A laptop belonging to . . . a journalist burst into flames” Just goes as a reminder not to download porn onto your laptop….. 🙂

    Oh the humanity, reminds me of a shop foreman I once worked for who set his beard on fire trying to smoke a stogie that was bit too short. He nearly b***h slapped himself to death trying to put out the fire. I grabbed a fire axe just in case….. Really was funny, I still laugh when I think about it.

    I can imagine the glee of trying to put out the fire of a laptop… 🙂


  251. 256 mrgil January 9, 2008 at 5:57 pm

    Could give new meaning to being “red as a beet” 🙂


  252. 257 nacly January 9, 2008 at 6:36 pm

    Re: the foreman…how would you explain him losing his head? 😕


  253. 258 lew614 January 9, 2008 at 6:38 pm

    OH!!The Humanity. No power all day long. Hillary has human emotions and pigs will now be growing glowing green hearts for transplants. Where is Lewis Grizzard now that we need him. Surely he would have commentary on glowing pig valves. I think I will become a hermit and lobby for Vermont’s Secession Movement.


  254. 259 Chop Seal January 9, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    won’t find this on that other blog. intellectually stimulating pig talk. any trotters in vermont? beet writer.


  255. 260 mrgil January 9, 2008 at 7:19 pm

    Maybe that should be “read as a beet”?


  256. 261 mrgil January 9, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    Salty, I would have just used the handle… 🙂


  257. 262 mrgil January 9, 2008 at 7:23 pm

    Yes, Lewis was a great humorist and true to his school to the end. I recall once his musings on marriage and divoice. Said next time he is just going to go out and find a woman he hates and buy her a house.


  258. 263 mrgil January 9, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    Seal, I was a bit confused there for a minute, all this talk about pigs, I thought you were referring to my ex wife.


  259. 264 savannahguy January 9, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    So many good posts. This place is rockin’ Carolina Lady! Lotta stuff. Think I’ll just batch a few comments:

    Should reduce shipping costs for the SCAM BAGS corporation that SG and I are setting up!

    Klobber, did she fall for…uh, did you convince her? Makes good sense to me.

    Jane Hambleton has dubbed herself the “meanest mom on the planet.”

    Carolina Lady, maybe Jane has found the best solution: Don’t get Madd…get even…a deal’s a deal. Good for her.

    He wanted to see the deer that was leaving very large tracks amongst the veggies. Turns out he has a whole herd hanging around & the big-hoofed buck is an absolute monster.

    flbravesgirl, can Hillbilly and I come see your Uncles garden sometime. Just to, uh…see the veggies. Maybe dessert after the hunt, er…visit?

    Yes, I know…rules…but still … the “dangling participle” needs undangling.

    Bob, Journalist…I can’t believe CL is allowing that language on the blog.

    If you vote for Dawson, then you have to vote for Murphy.

    WW, If you could get that post (and the previous one) into the hands of the HOF voters, Murph’s HOF chances would have to increase. Should be a lobbying effort immediately if not sooner.

    Gil, I forgot to say last night that you said in a paragraph what I couldn’t with thousands of words and over a dozen paragraphs in my post.

    WW, I’ve just about given up on you in the brevity dept. Given up on me too.

    “Hillary won New Hampshire last night because she showed human emotion.”

    Lew, can’t Berigan’s robot be programmed to choke back tears too? Rust?

    since Bob says we are of relation, we need to figure out what the relation is.

    WW again (can’t resist the t-ball): as the English might say: Bob’s yer Uncle…

    any trotters in vermont? beet writer.

    Chop Seal, same as green apple quickstep? Maple syrup cause that too?

    It is why our founding fathers created the electoral college. They felt democracy too fragile to be left to the whims of the masses.

    Gil, we would have better politicians, a better government and a better country if you had to take a basic intelligence test before voting. Just a few simple questions about our country, political system, the candidates, the platform of each party…and a few questions about baseball of course.


  260. 265 mrgil January 9, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    Seal, I was a bit confused there for a minute, all this talk about pigs, I thought you were referring to my ex wife.


  261. 266 mrgil January 9, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    This my last post on politics (at least for tonight) When we get to the point where ballots are written in Spanish and the pictures of each candidate is posted on it so the illiterate can vote, you will know we have hit rock bottom. Maybe in some places we already have….

    Lew, you are aware that Vermont was a republic before it became a state, just like Texas. I think most of the South would allow the rest of the states to succeed as long as they take Washington D.C. with them … 🙂


  262. 267 mrgil January 9, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    Yes SG. Once upon a time government and civics were required subject in schools, now there is no time because all the kids are too busy taking test to find out how dumb they are. It is not all math and science, the need is for there to be a better rounded education.

    Perhaps they are preparing for our kids to drop out of school so their will be a cheap labor pool in this country? Oh yeah, I forgot, that’s what we import from Mexico…


  263. 268 mrgil January 9, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    and people like me who cannot keep from typing their when I mean there…. Blame it on public education… 🙂


  264. 269 Chop Seal January 9, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    Almost reddy, Carulina Lady. How do you spell Rezalution? Like New yEar’s? Spelled okay?


  265. 270 chrisklob January 9, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    SG, haven’t been able to close the deal yet. I think we may have to go to North Georgia when she settles in and see her in person. Little wine and dine action. Between your way with words and my way of pouring bourbon, I think we can put this thing to bed!


  266. 271 savannahguy January 9, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    Funny how this happens…just when I refreshed, my eyes went right to a mistake in my last post. Jumped out like a wart. Glad you didn’t seem to mind the mistake.

    Gil, we would have better politicians, a better government and a better country if you had to take a basic intelligence test before voting.

    Gil, please replace the “you” with “we” and I’m all clear. Didn’t mean to insinuate that you had to take a test. None needed for you sir. Suppose I should though. Sorry. Have mercy…


  267. 272 savannahguy January 9, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    Klobber, you got a good wrist on ya, sir…and a way with words too.

    You realize we have to savvy the deal that flies pies over the journalists head to get here, right? No problem…we’ll just say Jimmy Smith lives in Myrtle Beach and works at the Calabash Restaurant. Just a little white lie…uh, Carolina trifle. She could Google it.


  268. 273 berigan2electricboogaloo January 9, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    Gil, in your 7:23 post you talked about Grizzard, on the subject of divoice. Sounds more like a word Curly Moe would use than Grizzard! 😛


  269. 274 berigan2electricboogaloo January 9, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    And of course, I am the pot calling the kettle black, those are a couple of poorly written lines right there by this berigan guy!


  270. 275 berigan2electricboogaloo January 9, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    Hey, did you all hear the exciting news the ex-mentioned???(Saw info via mlbtraderumors.com) Mark Kotsay might be an option for the braves in Center! Wow!!! Sure, his average wasn’t, you know, as good as Andruw Jones’ was last year, but .214 is nothing to sneeze at! Much better to take a chance on him than some unproven rookie, right? And it sounds like it would only cost us 4 Million! Look out Red Sox, here we come!!! 8)


  271. 276 berigan2electricboogaloo January 9, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    Hey! It’s 9 o’clock! Time for everyone to post like crazy for 2 hours!!!! Well, I will likely be watching a movie. Something contemporary like a Mr. Moto, or Charlie Chan. guess a day late, and a dollar short as usual….


  272. 277 Bob, journalist January 9, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    Esteemed NaLcy, I understand that you don’t like the Electoral College … but what is the thesis that’s no longer relevant?

    What were the greatest mistakes made by the Braves in 2007? Should the Braves have recognized Mike Gonzales’ problem during Spring Training? … am I confusing it with something else or do I recall a “slow” fast ball that possibly should have been more thoroughly investigated?


  273. 278 chrisklob January 9, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    Salty, in the inimitable words of my idiot boss “Close the deal. I don’t care what you have to tell her or do for her. CLOSE THE DEAL ALREADY”!


  274. 279 flbravesgirl January 9, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    Green glowing pigs? 😯

    SG, my uncle was planning on doing some backyard hunting but I think he got attached to the deer after watching them for a while. It would be like shooting a neighbor (not that some of us haven’t had neighbors that we’d like to… um, go away).

    Chris, 2 problems with your plan: 1- I have no idea when I’ll be able to move but it won’t be soon. 2- This will probably distress you but I don’t drink.


  275. 280 Bob, journalist January 9, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    Berigan … Motos are among the best but I lost mine several years ago … all except his final warning … could get the entire Moto/Lorre series for about $60 on DVDs … you know of a better deal?


  276. 281 chrisklob January 9, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    SG, you hear that? She’s playing hardball with us! 🙂


  277. 282 savannahguy January 9, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    Bob…Gonzo’s problem also made me wonder about Braves medical evaluation manager, process and technology. Seemed pre-existing, the way it went down. Anybody have insight on that…and how he’s doing now?

    Klobber: Sounds like Glengarry Glen Ross. “I need the leads. I need them now. Or I’m gone, and you’re going to miss me…”. “That’s “talk,” my friend, that’s “talk.” Our job is to sell. I’m the man to sell. I’m getting garbage.”


  278. 283 Carolina Lady January 9, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    Hey, FBG!! Good to see you! We seem to miss each other’s posting times.

    Do the SCAM BAGS remind you of the Gang That Couldn’t Shoot Straight, or is it just me? 😆 😆


  279. 284 savannahguy January 9, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    Chris, 2 problems with your plan: 1- I have no idea when I’ll be able to move but it won’t be soon. 2- This will probably distress you but I don’t drink.

    Klobber…we have to act fast. Maybe get Journalist involved. Maybe flgirl likes water? Lots of water?


  280. 285 savannahguy January 9, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    Now CL…we’re just trying to get desserts from point A to point B. That’s all. Really. No…really.


  281. 287 savannahguy January 9, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    Klobber, this is starting to slip away.


  282. 288 chrisklob January 9, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    I’ll be he’s not as big a jerk as my boss is though!


  283. 289 flbravesgirl January 9, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    I know, CL. Usually I log on in time to see your goodnight post.

    Gentlemen, what we need to do is have a little business conference. Disney, last week of Feb. I’ll bring samples…. and an agent. 😉


  284. 290 Bob, journalist January 9, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    Gil, please replace the “you” with “we” and I’m all clearSir Guy, don’t go puttin’ words in Mr Gil’s mouth … he’s pretty smart!

    Speaking of intelligence tests, I understand that Civil Rights groups and some Democrats oppose requiring that folks have picture IDs because it discriminates against the poor, elderly, and minorities.


  285. 291 chrisklob January 9, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    fbg, unfortunately that is the ONE week that I can’t attend. Have a month end meeting that my ogre boss won’t let me miss. I am really disappointed because I was hoping to see everyone down there. Be kind of fun putting faces and real names along with screen names!


  286. 292 chrisklob January 9, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    Berigan, I don’t know about Kotsay. He’s had some success in the past but I believe that he’s had injury problems. I’d rather see one of the kids hit .214 than him because he’ll be too expensive for what he’s worth.


  287. 293 Bob, journalist January 9, 2008 at 10:02 pm

    NaCly, my faux pas doesn’t excuse you from answering; NaLcy taste the same but it made my face turn red to have so done … apologies, it must be the B12 supplement overdose.


  288. 294 flbravesgirl January 9, 2008 at 10:09 pm

    Aw, Chris, that stinks. It would be fun to get a whole group together there. I don’t know that I can make it to Disney either but I’m meeting up with Lew & Grinch when they head in this direction.


  289. 295 Carolina Lady January 9, 2008 at 10:13 pm

    fbg, don’t know if you’ve checked, but you are now team Nutrition Counselor. How’s that? 🙂


  290. 296 berigan2electricboogaloo January 9, 2008 at 10:14 pm

    Wish I had mentioned the Motos earlier…like before Christmas. They were $35 for 2 box sets at http://www.deepdiscount.com (It was a buy one, get one free sale), but they are still cheap at amazon, about $50 for both…lots of extras, nicely restored as well….



  291. 297 flbravesgirl January 9, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    “Nutrition Counselor”? Y’all are on a dessert diet? We’ll all need Chino-sized pants.


  292. 298 Carolina Lady January 9, 2008 at 10:33 pm

    We don’t want Hillbilly to feel alone.


  293. 299 mrgil January 9, 2008 at 10:37 pm

    Alrighty now.. Been drinking too much water lately, causing the old brain cells to become diluted and they function more slowly….. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it. Well, I could use the sticccccing keyboard excuse. Take your pick… 🙂

    Mark Kotsay? I’m with your berigan, I don’t think he is worth the money. Somebody on the team has to bat in the eight hole, may as well be a rookie center fielder.


  294. 301 chrisklob January 9, 2008 at 10:44 pm

    Gil, drinking too much water rarely causes brain malfuntion unless, of course, there’s too much Jameson in it! 🙂


  295. 302 mrgil January 9, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    I would never ruin Jameson with water 🙂


  296. 303 chrisklob January 9, 2008 at 10:49 pm

    I’m happy to hear that Gil. By the way, I heard through the grapevine that Jameson will be releasing a couple of new whiskeys this year. Don’t know anything about them or the timetable but I thought I’d pass that on to you since I know you are a fan!


  297. 304 mrgil January 9, 2008 at 10:57 pm

    I am going to have to wait until I can drive up to D.C. or Maryland. The only thing available here in Richmond is the normal blend and 1780. And they are pricey enough as it is. 🙂


  298. 305 mrgil January 9, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    If you could get me on their official “focus group list” I can assure them of honest evaluations.. 🙂

    By the way, I tried another Irish blend called Tullmore Dew. A tad bit sweeter than Jameson but very good and very smooth. Also about 2/3rd the price.


  299. 306 mrgil January 9, 2008 at 11:09 pm

    In return I will concede any claims to past or future shares of FBG enterprises’ baked goods distribution. 🙂


  300. 307 chrisklob January 9, 2008 at 11:11 pm

    I’ll see what I can do about the focus group Gil, but I have to warn you, I’m just a peon in this industry. I’m one of the guys with a strong back that does a lot of the heavy lifting so the big wigs can live well!

    I sell Tully too. Although it is not marketed by the Jameson folks, I believe that it is made at the same facility.


  301. 308 lew614 January 9, 2008 at 11:11 pm

    The Grinch and The Bionic Artist traveling together. Should be interesting, for sure. Meeting at the Phillies’ ST Complex, no less. Becomes more interesting by the moment. I will be presenting the Phillies’ Asst. GM with a Portrait as well. Can the interest be contained?

    ChrisKlob-Seth is still living in Clearwater. Haven’t heard from him, but sightings have been reported. I’ll email him again in the morning now that the electricity is flowing yet again.

    63 degrees yesterday and today -wind gusting to 65MPH. My house is shaking. One would think we were in a hurricane. Back down to single digits by the beginning of the week. This weather is totally insane.


  302. 309 chrisklob January 9, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    Gil, I think that deal may be “dead in the water” unless SG can pull some magic out of his hat!


  303. 310 chrisklob January 9, 2008 at 11:19 pm

    Lew, glad to finally hear from you. I’m happy that the power is on and the temps are in the 60’s. Must be messy with all the melting snow though. Please tell Seth that Chris from Charleston sends his best regards. He should know who that is.


  304. 311 Chop Seal January 9, 2008 at 11:25 pm

    OKay, Carulina Lady, you have maile.


  305. 312 flbravesgirl January 9, 2008 at 11:26 pm

    63 degrees in Vermont at this time of year? Did all the politicians’ hot air blow your way?


  306. 313 mrgil January 9, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    DING!!!! FBG is the winner with that zinger.. 🙂


  307. 314 flbravesgirl January 9, 2008 at 11:54 pm

    Gee thanks, Gil! What’s my prize?


  308. 315 chrisklob January 9, 2008 at 11:56 pm

    A plate of brownies!


  309. 316 berigan2electricboogaloo January 9, 2008 at 11:57 pm

    A one on one with each and every candidate running for President?


  310. 317 flbravesgirl January 10, 2008 at 12:01 am

    Brownies that I made, I suppose? Actually I’m on the annual post-holiday diet right now. No dessert in the house.

    Berigan, yours sounds more like punishment than reward.


  311. 318 berigan2electricboogaloo January 10, 2008 at 12:11 am

    flb, you mean it isn’t your live goal to hear Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul talk for 4-5 hours on their plans for health care……and the UFO crisis???? 🙂


  312. 319 Carolina Lady January 10, 2008 at 12:14 am

    OK, gang – CHOP SEAL’S BLOG IS UP!


  313. 320 lew614 January 10, 2008 at 1:34 am

    FLBraves Girl-You could very well be right. We could have seen Edwards speech in person, the other day (I’m a crotchety old buzzard and didn’t feel like doing it) and Obama gave his Oh well, I came in second speech in Lebanon, NH. That is about a half hour away from us and is where all the stores are (we live in the boonies-we have a grocery and a McDonald’s-big time-also the only traffic light in the county). So yes, the hot air has been blowing not so far away. They’re gone now and won’t return for the Vermont Primary (too insignificant, delegate wise).


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