17:NY Carpetbaggers Challenge Salty’s Bama Barnstormers

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by williamwallace

ATHENS, GA – The days of barnstorming during the offseason were thought to be long over. Then some enterprising Dixie whistler named Salty secured funding to start up his own barnstorming team from his bootlegging buddy Klobber. And, yes, Klobber, we know you are a bootlegger. We know this much discussed red velvet cake is mere code for one of your bootlegged products. Although I guess this would make sweet Flbravesgirl a bootlegger as well.

But, anyways, as Salty has previously announced in this here place, Salty has formed his own barnstorming squad of Bama greats.

Salty’s squad boasts an infield of Willie McCovey, Ted Sizemore, Ozzie Smith, and Joe Sewell; an outfield of Billy Williams, Willie Mays, and Hank Aaron; Charlie Moore playing catcher; and a bench of Riggs Stephenson, Jim Davenport, Rudy York, Carlos May, Monte Irvin, Heine Manush, and Luke Sewell. His pitching rotation has Don Sutton, Early Wynn, Satchel Paige, Jimmy Key, Doyle Alexander, Bob Veale, Virgil Trucks, Rip Sewell, Jeff Brantley, and Clay Carroll. His manager is Gabby Street.

This barnstorming team from Sweet Home Alabama is taking the world by storm, going town to town, taking on all friends and foes, winning every game, while Salty pockets boatloads of money.

Of course, being the bootlegging, rum running shyster gangster that he is, Klobber collects kickbacks from the earnings of Salty’s team of Bama barnstormers.

Klobber is also using these games as a way to franchise his saloons. Klobber’s Knob Creek Saloons have been opening all over the country wherever Salty’s Bama Barnstormers leave the townfolk in their wake. The players are reportedly only being paid with the privilege of indulging in Knob Creek.

Many across the nation breathlessly await news of the daily exploits of this group of Bama Barnstormers. Some beet writer has been Johnny-on-the-spot and has capitalized on the success of the team and the demand for news about the team. This beet writer is being called a modern day Grantland Rice. Whether that is true remains to be seen.

But, recently, the beet writer has announced he is bored with the team. The beet writer has made a nationwide call to arms to come challenge Salty’s Bama Barnstormers. The beet writer is demanding a tournament be played. Many are reportedly too scared to take on Salty’s squad.

I decided to take the beet writer’s challenge to come conquer the unbeaten Bama Barnstormers. I secured some funding from the bootleggin’ Klobber myself, purchased a Juggs gun, binoculars, a stop watch, and a whistle. I was determined to go do some bird dogging.

Not knowing where to find players, I looked around locally here in Athens, Georgia. I only found 5 players who had played in the majors who could claim to have been born here in Athens, and only 2 of them are worth anything as ballplayers: Brian McCann and Jake Westbrook. That just wasn’t gonna work. So, I decided to head back to the place of my birth and raising: the Boogie Down Bronx.

So, I took the Amtrak up to Penn Station, did some sightseeing in Manhattan, and then headed over to Grand Central to catch the 4 train up to the Bronx. When the 4 emerged from the dark tunnel where the subway becomes an el, I knew I was back home in the Bronx because I could immediately see the splendid Yankee Stadium straight ahead.

I went all over the Bronx, from Fordham Road to Soundview to Morris Park to Gun Hill Road to Van Cortland Park to Webster Avenue to Broadway to the Grand Concourse to White Plains Road.

I was saddened to learn that Macombs Dam Park was no longer there. They were now building the New Yankee Stadium on top of the sandlot park where Rod Carew had learned to play baseball as a kid.

Searching here and there, near and far, I was bitterly disappointed there were not many more players who could claim they were technically born in the Boogie Down than could claim they were from Athens, Georgia. But up in the Boogie Down, I managed to find Ronnie Belliard, Bobby Bonilla, Frankie Frisch, and B.J. Surhoff.

Belliard is a nice little player and all but I can’t expect him to be able to touch the likes of Satchel Paige. Surhoff may have technically been born in the Bronx but, as we all know, he is more well known as the catcher from Rye, New York, not the Bronx. And, from his time with the Atlanta Braves, I believe B.J. to be a lil’ sourpuss. I didn’t want to bring B.J. along for the ride but he was a catcher and catchers are hard to find. So, I invited Bobby Bo, Frisch, and B.J. to open tryouts. Had to keep Bobby Bo.He was the guy, after all, who once taunted beat writers that he was gonna show the beat writers the Bronx. Love the spirit even if I don’t like the guy.

I decided to broaden my search to all the boroughs of New York. I next took the ferry over to Shaolin, a.k.a. Staten Island. Unfortunately, there was no one out there. So, I headed over to Queens. Same thing there. No one worth anything. Brokenhearted at this point but not broken in will, I made my way over to Crooklyn.

Over in Crooklyn, the first player I found was Ken Brett. I asked where his brother George was. Ken responded that unfortunately George wasn’t born in Brooklyn like Ken was. What good are you without George I thought to myself. Angry about it, I decided not to invite Ken to an open tryout.

I then found some interesting prospects such as Rich Aurilla, Shawon Dunston, David Dejesus, Sid Gordon, Joe Judge, Paul Loduca, Joe Pepitone, Rico Petrocelli, Eddie Yost, Richie Zisk and invited them to open tryouts. Nice little players but I can’t exactly take on Salty’s Bama Barnstormers with these little fellas.

Just as I was about to give up hope, I happened upon a sandlot where Lou Whitaker, Joe Torre, Sandy Koufax, Phil Rizzuto, and Wee Willie Keeler were playing. I didn’t invite them to an open tryout. I told them they were on the team, told Torre he was the player/manager, and told Sandy he was the staff ace.

After looking through 4 of the 5 boroughs though, my squad wasn’t looking too good. My search through Manhattan was gonna have to be very fruitful.

Puzzled about the lack of ballplayers born in the outer boroughs, I decided to check baseball-reference.com for how many prospects had been born in Manhattan. I didn’t want to just go wandering aimlessly from Battery Park to Inwood to the Upper East Side to Harlem to Hell’s Kitchen to Greenwich Village if there were no ballplayers there.

Much to my surprise, I found that most of the ballplayers from New York City had been born in Manhattan. Guess that is not so surprising since the best hospitals are in Manhattan. But I don’t think that is what the problem is. Pregnant mothers about to deliver babies are not exactly gonna hop on the subway down to Manhattan after their water breaks. And they are not likely to hail an expensive cab at that moment either.

Most likely what was causing the problem was laziness on the part of those listing the player’s place of birth on their birth certificates. When you list New York, New York as the birthplace, this is supposed to mean the child was born on the island of Manhattan. If you are born in one of the outer boroughs, it should be listed as Queens, Brooklyn, Staten Island, or The Bronx. But whatever. I finally found the prospects I needed to take on Salty’s vaunted barnstorming squad from south of the Mason-Dixon.

When the team finally took shape, this is what the barnstorming Carpetbaggers from New York City looked like: Joe Torre, Lou Gehrig, Hank Greenberg, Lou Whitaker, Frankie Frisch, Alex Rodriguez, Phil Rizzuto, Edgar Martinez, Rocky Colavito, Ken Singleton, Wee Willie Keeler, Bobby Bonilla, B.J. Surhoff, Rico Petrocelli, Sandy Koufax, Jim Palmer, Ed Lopat, Whitey Ford, John Candeleria, Matt Morris, Dennis Leonard, Waite Hoyt, Larry Corcoran, John Franco.

My bird dogging complete, I turned the fellas over to our manager Joe Torre. This is the lineup card Grandpa Joe came up with:

Wee Willie Keeler
Ken Singleton
Lou Gehrig
Hank Greenberg
Edgar Martinez
Rocky Colavito
Joe Torre
Alex Rodriguez
Lou Whitaker

As you see, Torre is still trying to bat AFraud 8th. Joe really doesn’t like Alex, but who likes the $300 million dollar man anyway? As long as Wee Willie is hittin’ ‘em where they ain’t, I’ll be happy with whatever lineup Joe throws out there.

On the bench are:
B.J. Surhoff
Frankie Frisch
Phil Rizzuto
Eddie Yost
Bobby Bonilla
Rico Petrocelli

The pitching rotation looks like this:
Sandy Koufax
Whitey Ford
Jim Palmer
Waite Hoyt
Ed Lopat
Dennis Leonard
Matt Morris
John Candeleria
Larry Corcoran
John Franco

All in all, I think it is a team worthy of engaging in a war of northern aggression against Salty’s Bama Barnstormers. We’ll see. Torre might not be Sherman but Torre did a pretty good job of burning down Atlanta by winning 8 straight in the World Series against the Braves in the 1990s.

Let’s go old school and play a best of 9 series like they did back in the day. No night games under the lights. Only day games with a true doubleheader or two during the series. None of this day/night doubleheader garbage. We’ll have a hard time convincing Klobber of that though. Klobber wants to maximize profits. Lost profits due to true doubleheaders are certainly not in the plans of that crooked bootlegger.

Any other challengers out there? Do you dare take on the Bama Barnstormers or the New York Carpetbaggers?


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554 Responses to “17:NY Carpetbaggers Challenge Salty’s Bama Barnstormers”

  1. 1 Carolina Lady January 30, 2008 at 6:50 pm

    Very good, ww!! Many thanks!


  2. 2 mrgil January 30, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    Braveheart, you have accepted the torch and held it high. Nice post. 🙂


  3. 3 mrgil January 30, 2008 at 7:32 pm

    And reprinted by request of CL….

    Good evening everyone, many well reasoned posts have been made…. Well, most anyway. I had a wonderful lunch with my oldest daughter today, such a charming young lady whom I see far less than I might wish.. 😦 She too was very disappointed by the Braves announcement of moving to Gwinnett. See, I’m not the only one. Good baseball knowledge that one has… 🙂

    An interesting read to show how some things never change….



  4. 4 mrgil January 30, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    One last thing before turning on the boob tube… Dave Bundage is going to make a great major league manager someday. He has all the tools necessary in my opinion. I have seen some good ones pass through Richmond over the years. Luman Harris, Charlie Manual, Carlos Tosca, Freddie Gonzalas, Grady Little. That is just a few….

    I am going to pull a number out of my hat but I think a manager is responsible for about 10 wins per year. He can be responsible for many more loses than that but ten wins in a season can be a huge swing. Nope, no research to back that up, just a feeling from watching and playing the game for more than 50 years.

    One last comment on Bobby Cox and from this point I will simply say “You Know”… I honestly believe his best attribute is as a talent evaluator. Something I think he will be allowed to do when he steps down form managing. I agree he has lost a bit with the change in the brain trust in the dugout. It is the nature of the game. There is a lot more to managing a major league baseball team than filling out a line up card and yelling “hey kid”. I am not privy to all that goes on in the Braves club house but somebody has to disseminate all the information gathered on other teams and be aware of all the subtle nuances of the game.

    Bobby Cox strikes me as a checkers kind of guy verses a chess player like LaRussa. Not to take anything away from being a good checker player, I never beat my dad one single game of checkers in the thirty years we shared this earth together but he never would learn to play chess as my brother and I had done.

    Baseball does not have to be complicated but it can be when things don’t do right. For all you none blue collar types out there who never could see the value of a guy sitting on his butt getting paid a good wage while watching dials and gauges. He wasn’t getting paid for when things went right, he was paid for knowing what to do when things went wrong and kept half the city from being blown up along the way.

    I’ll bet CL could cite numerous times when a simple attention to detail could have prevented a catastrophe.


  5. 5 nacly January 30, 2008 at 8:08 pm

    Oh, my…outstanding! But, beat the Barnstormers…nah, can’t touch this!!!

    And what’s this DH nonsense…ol’ Greenburg ain’t gonna stand for that tomfoolery. Don’t embarass a HOFer with this ersatz baseball stuff. Show the man the dignity he’s due.!

    Also, on the matter of details, just remember, ol’ Hank and Sandy are no shows for them Saturday games…they’re Jewish, you know! Remember, details, fundamentals, execute…WIN!

    Don’t worry about Klobber’s KC sales during the DH’s. He’s already mapped out the best bbq to procure, and is in cahoots with FBG on the dessert menu. SG…he’s the logistics guy…with a marketing bent! Oh, my, this is gonna be so good! :mrgreen:


  6. 6 berigan2electricboogaloo January 30, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    Very nice WW!!! I think you have won the contest for most words in a B&S blog! 😆


  7. 7 flbravesgirl January 30, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    William Braveheart Wallace!!! What do you mean by “bootlegger”?! Is that any way to refer to a lady?!


  8. 8 chrisklob January 30, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    fbg, don’t worry. “Bootlegger” must be some Yankee expression meaning “master desser maker”!


  9. 9 savannahguy January 30, 2008 at 10:43 pm

    Dammit Braveheart…you’re gonna make me look up all that stuff?

    Doesn’t your team have to pay some sort of geographic salary tax because you had to ride so many trains all over the boroughs and south of the MD line to gather ’em all up? That would only be fair. Square miles, man. That equals dollars. Don’t be pullin’ a Steinbrenner on the Bama boys.

    Since I’m southern boy, I have to throw in with Salty’s Bama Barnstormers. Howza’bout we throw in some guys that came through Savannah and Atlanta on barnstorming tours instead of a luxury tax on your team? That would be fair. Evens the odds a bit, eh?

    Oh, also the Klobber Saloon franchise, Lowcountry Dessert Consortium and the FBG Enterprises must also have a lock on all in-game concessions. Deal?

    Very entertaining post WW. Nicely done.


  10. 10 flbravesgirl January 30, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    Where is everybody? And what’s a “desser”, Chris?:-)


  11. 11 flbravesgirl January 30, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    And why the heck didn’t my smiley work? Hi, SG!


  12. 12 chrisklob January 30, 2008 at 10:47 pm

    williamwallace, very nice lead post. I have to tell you that I do appreciate reading your thoughts because you are willing to do the research that I am often too busy, lazy, or just plain stupid to do myself.

    And, yes, Klobber, we know you are a bootlegger.

    You say this as though it is a bad thing!

    Actually, I’ve gone back and re-read the parts that pertain to me…..

    Of course, being the bootlegging, rum running shyster gangster that he is, Klobber collects kickbacks from the earnings of Salty’s team of Bama barnstormers.

    Klobber is also using these games as a way to franchise his saloons. Klobber’s Knob Creek Saloons have been opening all over the country wherever Salty’s Bama Barnstormers leave the townfolk in their wake. The players are reportedly only being paid with the privilege of indulging in Knob Creek.

    Lost profits due to true doubleheaders are certainly not in the plans of that crooked bootlegger.

    Maybe it’s true that I’m a rum runner, shyster, ganger, and crooked bootlegger. However I take exception to to you saying that I’m cheap. I pay my boys well — all the Knob Creek, cigars and cheese they want. I even share my Red Velvet Cakes when I can get it. So cheap, I am not. You sir, have quite obviously been overserved and are hereby cut-off. And you don’t have to go home but you can’t stay here. You’re out!

    And by the way, Salty’s Southern Gentlemen are gonna kick the ever lovin’ crud outta that rag tag bunch of carpet baggin’ punks you call a baseball team. Once this deal with fbg goes thru, we’ll have so much money to put back into this team youze guyz won’t stand a chance!

    SECURITY! Please show Mr. Wallace where the door is!



  13. 13 savannahguy January 30, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    Throw in a Presidential race and an upcoming baseball season and I’m gonna have to watch it. Too much for a political/baseball junkie to absorb. Must be calm…calm…relax…it will be alright…


  14. 14 Bob, journalist January 31, 2008 at 1:19 am

    Well, you boys have your fun … here’s a decent 25 …

    Starting Rotation … Jim Bagby, Whitlow Wyatt, Spud Chandler. Kevin Brown
    Other Pitchers … Hugh Casey, Kenny Rogers, Blue Moon Odom, Rick Camp, Chris Hammond

    Catcher ….. Josh Gibson
    1st Base …. Bill Terry
    2nd Base … Jackie Robinson
    3rd Base …. Ray Knight
    SS …………. Cecil Travis
    LF…………… Moises Alou
    CF …………. Ty Cobb
    RF …………. Dixie Walker

    Bench … Ralph Brown*, Bucky Dent, Marquis Grissom, Chris Hammond, Wally Joyner, Johnny Mize, Wally Moses, Gerald Perry, Frank Thomas, Rondell White

    *No, “Country” didn’t play in the majors but Tommy Johns surgery would make him a sure HOF player today.

    Speaking of country, I got 10 bags of molasses “puff” candy today … from new England … not the same as the old fashioned, southern “hand made” … but the closest I’ve found … not bad for a “machine made” imitation.


  15. 15 Bob, journalist January 31, 2008 at 1:26 am

    Berigan … I saw where you said that some team had our number last year … I know the American league did … and the Reds … but, I thought we split with both the Mets and the Phils … and beat the Nationals and the Fish … of whom were you speaking?


  16. 16 berigan2electricboogaloo January 31, 2008 at 1:49 am

    Bob, I corrected that on the other blog (It was harder than I thought to find the records team by team) I said it must have been losing 5 out of 6 games that made me forget all about us finishing .500 against them.
    Now the Mets have the best Left hander in Baseball, and we stink against lefties. We are doomed, I tells ya, DOOMED!


  17. 17 berigan2electricboogaloo January 31, 2008 at 1:50 am

    Just seeing if Lew was paying attention! 😆


  18. 18 Bob, journalist January 31, 2008 at 1:58 am

    Foxfire malfunctioned 4 times yesterday, closing the browser and I lost 4 unsaved posts on which I was working … one of which may be of interest … at Chopper’s and Jimmy’s suggestion, I hurried back to Walgreens to pick up Carol’s Medicine … brought it home, pleased that I had not drown … to my dismay, it turned out to be the wrong prescription … the same as the one I got the previous day. The one I got earlier turned out to be a refill that we had forgotten to pick up a couple of months back and they had not yet processed the new one when I had been there earlier.

    I called them … the doctor had called in the prescription but it wouldn’t be ready for another 45 minutes … I waited 90 … then stood in line for 10 minutes to find out it would be an additional 15.

    Goodness, it’s 1:00 in Nashville … bye


  19. 19 Bob, journalist January 31, 2008 at 2:06 am

    Offer to buy one of his paintings … saying sir, please and thank you in all the appropriate places … you’ll get his attention! … at least it would get mine … Of course no one has ever offered to buy any of my paintings, so I’m not really sure how I would react!


  20. 20 Bob, journalist January 31, 2008 at 3:54 am

    If the Christmas Stealer is asleep, he’s missing a great “Midsummer Night’s Dream on TCM, albeit it winter …

    Directed by Wilhelm Dieterle and Max Reinhardt … 1935 definitive Bard at its best, or so me thinks … featuring James Cagney, Joe E. Brown, Dick Powell, Olivia de Havilland, Victor Jory, Verree Teasdale, Hobart Cavanaugh, Ross Alexander, Mickey Rooney, and Frank McHugh … just to name a few.


  21. 21 berigan2electricboogaloo January 31, 2008 at 5:56 am

    If you are still around…you asked what speed my DSL was. I think a few years back there was a site that checked that for you? It was fast..then. Do you know a site that checks that sort of stuff now???
    I was thinking of switching, since earthlink, which we had since 1998, charges us $51 and some change a month for our DSL and we have a problem with getting disconnected when we pick up the phone next to the computer!(Didn’t use to happen) And as Clark Howard would say, they have customer no service. You call, you get someone in India that apologizes all over the place for you having a problem, then suggest you do all sorts of crazy things. Like one time I couldn’t get the computer to connect all day, and they suggested I disconnect everything to make sure the phone lines were working. I told her I was talking to them on the via the phone lines right now, but they have a script to stick to! And I told them I would lose them, and I had been on hold for an hour already. Gotta do what they say. She said she would call back, but she didn’t. Next person I get, they want me to disconnect phone line as well. I tell them, if they don’t call back, I will cancel their service. I say in such a way that might have them think I would fly to India and find them. They call back. Still couldn’t connect. Then they want you to look for something of there’s outside…something I have never noticed before. and I am calling at 3 am. I wouldn’t do that. Then, they sent me to the next rung up the food chain of help. Get a guy in the U.S. that speaks English(Like I used to when I first signed up with Mindspring, before Earthlink gobbled them up) He hears I can’t connect, says for me to disable my Firewall. I tell him I have had the same firewall for 2 years. Yeah…disable your firewall. I do, and voila, I am back online! And I only wasted 3 hours talking to folks in Delhi.
    Wow. Such anger! I guess I need to switch companies! Sorry for the rant, and getting off the subject of…ummm, oh yeah, DSL services!!! These are ATT’s 4 tiers of DSL service.

    per month
    no term commitment

    Up to 13X faster than
    standard dial-up $32.95
    per month
    no term commitment

    Up to 25X faster than
    standard dial-up $37.95
    per month
    no term commitment

    Up to 50X faster than
    standard dial-up $42.95
    per month
    no term commitment

    Up to 100X faster than
    standard dial-up

    Here are the Earthlink tiers(I have no idea which is mine since I pay much more!)

    EarthLink High Speed DSL
    Downstream speed of up to 3.0Mbps
    Special Offer: $19.95/month for the first 3 months
    Monthly Charge: $44.95/month thereafter
    Up to 2 times faster than regular DSL! (regular DSL = 1.5 Mbps)

    EarthLink High Speed DSL
    Downstream speed of up to 1.5Mbps
    Special Offer: $12.95/month for the first 3 months
    Monthly Charge: $39.95/month thereafter

    Any thoughts as to which top tier is faster since they don’t use the same parameters?? Thanks for any suggestions!


  22. 22 berigan2electricboogaloo January 31, 2008 at 5:57 am

    Ha! My Connection died as I tried to post this! They are on to me!!!! 😯


  23. 23 berigan2electricboogaloo January 31, 2008 at 6:24 am

    the man who needs no sleep! 😉
    You know how weird it is to see my post show up and see yours with the names Ross Alexander, and Frank McHugh???? Ever read about Ross Alexander??? I noticed him in a Joan Blondell movie(I try to catch every early Blondell film since I am madly in love with her) and was wondering what he was doing with equal billing. Well, Warner Brothers was giving him the big build-up, but he had a secret. He was gay. He was also married. His first marriage did not work out well, to say the least, as she killed herself. About a year after his death(And already remarried) he shot and killed himself!!! He was only 29.


  24. 24 berigan2electricboogaloo January 31, 2008 at 6:28 am

    Well, that post did say, Bob, the man who needs no sleep…before I hit post…but it ain’t there now!!!
    I think I used such a strong Bold, that the 3 letters of Bob’s name went……..POOF!!!


  25. 25 berigan2electricboogaloo January 31, 2008 at 6:33 am

    Man, way to go with the depressing posts Berigan! Why not talk about the choices Republicans have for Prez?? 😕


  26. 26 berigan2electricboogaloo January 31, 2008 at 6:36 am

    How about a joke a day to start the day off right??? I’ll start today, and it will be other’s responsibility future morns! 😉

    Braves -vs- Mets

    A teacher asks her students if they’re Mets fans. All of the hands go up except for one student.
    “Okay, Bobby. What team are you a fan of?”
    “The Braves.”
    “Why’s that?”
    “Well, my parents are both Braves fans, so I’m a Braves fan too.”
    “That’s not a good answer, Bobby. If your parents were both morons, would you be a moron too?”
    “No, that would make me a Mets fan!” 😆


  27. 27 mrgil January 31, 2008 at 7:04 am

    Good morning all, Sitting here catching up on the overnights and trying to figure out what I did to aggravate my back yesterday… It always takes at least an hour for everything to kick in so I can feel human. I was dreaming I was having my leg operated on with out anesthetics and woke up. Still had the dang pain. No wonder people get depressed…..

    Anyway, …. Berigan, I switched over to cable as DSL is not available to me. Neither was cable until last year. My dial up speed was typically around 14,000 bps with an occasional boost up to 23,000. Trust me….. that is slooooooow.

    Needless to say, I did not blog much. I switched this week from the $9.95 per month to free AOL account. I had already dropped the $24.95 plan as I have Comcast. I just hardly ever use either as I only pick up my mail from AOL and just connect directly to the internet when I log on. It is amazing how much AOL can slow you down.

    True story… When I bought my first computer, it was a Gateway with a Pentium 166 cpu. I in inadvertently erased a .DLL file and had trouble when rebooting using windows 95. I call tech support and spent 13 hours on the phone with them trying to fix the problem. When we finished, I had to send it back to Gateway. They returned it to me about two weeks later. The only thing they did not replace was the cabinet and the floppy drive.

    I have become much more computer savvy and when I have a real problem now, I get the wife to fix it as she is much more patient than I. Now I can do some amazing things with Microsoft office thanks to the two semesters of classes I attended at a local community college but even then I have since learned I can do the same things with Corel at a 10th the price and it is more backwards compatible.

    It is all about getting past the fear. 🙂


  28. 28 mrgil January 31, 2008 at 7:05 am

    Good joke Bergian… 🙂


  29. 29 Bob, journalist January 31, 2008 at 8:24 am

    If you could host a dinner party for 10, including yourself … and invite any nine people, living or dead … who would you include?

    For me, that would be tough … my first thought was Jack the Ripper, just to find out who he was … but then, what would I do if he turned out to be kin?

    Let’s see …

    1. Jesus of Nazareth
    2. William Shakespeare
    3. Benjamin Franklin
    4. George Patton
    5. Aesop
    6. Socrates
    7. Plato
    8. Adolf Hitler

    1. George Patton
    2. Mary, Queen of Scoots
    3. Jim Thorpe
    4. Sammy Byrd
    5. Knute Rockne
    6. Bobby Jones
    7. Harry Vardon
    8. Connie Mack
    9. Ernie Harwell


    1. Kenesaw Mountain Landis
    2. Ernie Harwell
    3. Ty Cobb
    4. Babe Ruth
    5. Senator Mitchell
    6. Connie Mack
    7. Satchel Paige
    8. Walter Johnson
    9. Christy Mathewson

    “The way a team plays as a whole determines its success. You may have the greatest bunch of individual stars in the world, but if they don’t play together, the club won’t be worth a dime.” – Babe Ruth

    Beet Righters

    When Chopper was designated our official beat righter, I contacted Jimmy Smith and suggested we have a special surprise dinner party to celebrate the occasion … Chopper, Jimmy, me, and seven intelligent beet righters as guests. I made all the arrangements … ordered beer, pretzels, cheese and fish sandwiches … everything was perfect! Even volunteered to invite the guests if Jimmy would provide me a list of email addresses.

    I’m still waiting and the beer is gettin’ stale …


  30. 30 Bob, journalist January 31, 2008 at 8:26 am

    Beet Righters … revisited

    Make that a table for three … that’ll work


  31. 31 morpheus45 January 31, 2008 at 8:31 am

    Bob, you’d have to seat Aesop at the head so it would be Aesop’s table. (rim shot)

    Yes, it’s that kind of morning.

    Berigan, my Comcast cable is either 6 or 8 Mbps when it works, if that helps anything. I seem to remember the dude telling me that when he installed it. It’s like $47 per month. It works real fast, then gradually slows to a crawl, then I unplug the modem and plug it back in and it goes fast again. That’s easier than talking to an Indian.

    Off to the gym.


  32. 32 Bob, journalist January 31, 2008 at 8:50 am

    Berigan … I need to get some sleep but … methinks you can get a better deal!!! Others can advise you better than ich but I’ll look at it when I get up … a general rule, try to stay from those who provide unnecessary stuff … what’s unnecessary is up to you, but it’s overhead … even were it to be free … and it slows you down, especially if you periodically shut down and reboot … AOL is a good example.

    Like anything else, shop around … I use Comcast … hate the company, but the speed is okay … and I’m too lazy to change … if I ever start hosting again, I’ll switch to the high speed DSL with a static IP, … with what was Bell South, if I can get it.

    I don’t call them gay … but, whatever it is that he was, it appears that he was a talented but sad and troubled individual.

    Later …


  33. 33 chrisklob January 31, 2008 at 8:51 am

    Grinch, sounds like your modem may be on the way out. You should be able to take it to a Comcast office and exchange it for a new one. I’ve had Comcast internet for about seven years and have had to ask for a new modem a couple of times.


  34. 34 savannahguy January 31, 2008 at 8:56 am

    Berigan, here’s an internet speed connection test I use when things get slow on the net. I’ve got Comcast high-speed and it usually flies, although sometimes it slows with lots of net traffic.

    When you arrive at the site just click on your nearest city (you’ll be Atlanta). Then just read it and weep (assuming your on slow DSL. For a comparative, here were my numbers when just checked:

    Download Speed: 5987 kbps (748.4 KB/sec transfer rate)
    Upload Speed: 364 kbps (45.5 KB/sec transfer rate)

    Check it out: Speed Test


  35. 35 Bob, journalist January 31, 2008 at 8:58 am

    About a year after his death, he shot and killed himself!!! He was only 29 … uh, again bitte … I’m headed to bed but like I said, he was talented … killing himself a year after he was dead.

    Bye …


  36. 36 savannahguy January 31, 2008 at 9:01 am

    WordPress is acting up again. Seems whenever something gets “improved”, trouble begins. Try again…


  37. 37 savannahguy January 31, 2008 at 9:03 am

    Hmmm…ok, here’s the message that WP won’t post for some reason:

    Berigan, here’s an internet speed connection test I use when things get slow on the net. I’ve got Comcast high-speed and it usually flies, although sometimes it slows with lots of net traffic.

    When you arrive at the site just click on your nearest city (you’ll be Atlanta). Then just read it and weep (assuming your on slow DSL. For a comparative, here were my numbers when just checked:

    Download Speed: 5987 kbps (748.4 KB/sec transfer rate)
    Upload Speed: 364 kbps (45.5 KB/sec transfer rate)

    Check it out: Speed Test


  38. 38 savannahguy January 31, 2008 at 9:05 am

    WordPress has taken over…can’t post. Tells me, “I’ve already said that”. That’s what I get for repeating myself I suppose.

    I’ll try later.


  39. 39 savannahguy January 31, 2008 at 9:09 am

    Per WordPress when I try to post a comment: “Duplicate comment detected; it looks as though you’ve already said that!”.

    OK…the ghost is in the machine again. Later…


  40. 40 Voice of Reason January 31, 2008 at 9:13 am

    Good morning all.

    Great question, esteemed Bob, J. Let’s see… 10 people living or dead including myself?

    1. Jesus
    2-4. Wife and 2 kids
    5. Paul (the Apostle)
    6. Paul (the Beatle)
    7. John the Baptist
    8. John (the Beatle)
    9. Stevie Ray Vaughn


    1. Jesus (I know it’s baseball, but he is… you know… Jesus…)
    2-4. Wife and 2 kids (my party, my rules)
    5. Hammerin’ Hank
    6. The Babe
    7. Smoltzie
    8. Shoeless Joe Jackson
    9. Dale Murphy

    Other sports:

    1. Jesus (He woulda dominated had he chosen to…)
    2-4. Wife and 2 kids (they’re good sports)
    5. Mark Richt
    6. Herschel Walker (personality 1)
    7. Herschel Walker (personality 2)
    8. Tiger Woods
    9. Happy Gilmore


  41. 41 mrgil January 31, 2008 at 9:48 am

    Gee, Jesus is always at my table… No need for a special invitation. 🙂

    Others are a little tougher…

    1. My Dad
    2-35 All of my kids, spouses and grand children so they could meet him too.

    Second tier list

    1. Abraham Lincoln
    2. John F. Kennedy
    3. Martian L. King
    4. Thomas Jefferson
    5. Franklin Roosevelt
    6. Teddy Roosevelt
    7. Robert E. Lee
    8. Alan Greenspan
    9. Tom Clancy


    1. Earl Weaver
    2, Jim Lyland
    3. Sparky Anderson
    4. Ralph Houlk
    5. George Brett
    6. Mickey Mantle
    7. John Smoltz
    8. Satchel Paige
    9. Sandy Kofax


  42. 42 Voice of Reason January 31, 2008 at 9:56 am

    Gil: Excellent point about Jesus’ presence. And I feel very small not thinking of my own Dad. But since the Big J doesn’t need an invite, Dad can take his place on all lists. To be perfectly honest, If Jesus were sitting at my table, it wouldn’t matter who else was there anyway…


  43. 43 Voice of Reason January 31, 2008 at 10:09 am

    I have just found myself blogging on this blog on my desktop, and blogging on the Hawks’ blog on my laptop. The odd man out is… MY WORK. The boss would be ticked, except I’m the boss. I do have to work a little, though. I’ll check back in…


  44. 44 chrisklob January 31, 2008 at 10:25 am

    VOR, at least if your boss is a jerk then you have some recourse. My boss is a jerk and there’s not a thing I can do about it.

    CL, hope you got good news about Mother today!


  45. 45 Voice of Reason January 31, 2008 at 10:39 am

    Klobber: The sad thing is that I chastised myself for double blogging, and now I’m mad at me. I haven’t spoken to myself for almost a half-hour. To make matters worse, there’s only 1 cup of coffee left, and I can’t decide if I’m gonna take it, or if I’m gonna let me have it. Oh, the plurality!


  46. 46 chrisklob January 31, 2008 at 10:42 am

    VOR, you may have to go back and revise your dinner lists by removing one invitee as it appears that you AND Mr. Walker will both be requiring two seats!


  47. 47 Voice of Reason January 31, 2008 at 10:44 am

    … good point!


  48. 48 Voice of Reason January 31, 2008 at 10:44 am

    That goes for me, too!


  49. 49 lew614 January 31, 2008 at 10:48 am

    I have Comcast High speed cable internet and have never had any kind of problem with it or with the modem. It sure as hell does not cost $51 a month. It is actually less if you get it as some sort of package with digital cable (then you can pay even more for the Extra Innings package). It’s all outrageously expensive, but I’m worth it. Wouldn’t expect a Brick Wall to find the best alternative, though.


  50. 50 chrisklob January 31, 2008 at 10:52 am

    Now we have a problem. From here forward, we’ll never know which VOR is blogging. It could be the fun, cool employee or it could be the jerk boss. Or it could be the jerk boss impersonating the fun, cool employee OR the fun, cool employee impersonating the jerk boss. We’ll never know!


  51. 51 mrgil January 31, 2008 at 10:53 am

    Most of the bad bosses I had were promoted. The good ones were moved around so we always had somebody who had no clue as to how to run the business. After a while you realize that in a rat race it is always a rat that wins….

    I never had a problem with doing any task assigned but soon learned that the more you do, the more you will be given to do. Lazy people are avoided like the plague and never assigned extra work. It makes no difference the level you aspirer to in life, that is a fact. If you want something done, give it to the busiest person you can find, if you want it done right, do it yourself.

    People are like mules, they will work fine as long as they don’t think they are being overloaded. Very unlike horses who will work themselves to death. It only pays to be the superstar if you are in business for yourself. Otherwise folks will ride you until you drop. Bad mules however, end up as glue….

    And last but certainly not least, people will always find something to complain about. If they are not, then something is wrong and a coup is about to happen….. The secret is to make sure the complaints are not about serious stuff. I have never known folks to complain about a headlight being out when the engine won’t start…..

    And Bob… Adolf Hitler????? A particular question you would like to ask him?


  52. 52 lew614 January 31, 2008 at 10:53 am

    That is the best humor ever to come from the AJC. There is a picture of Carlos Santana playing guitar with a caption stating that Chop Chick is totally down with the Santana deal. I wonder if the stupid Mets even got the right Santana in the deal? Knowing their propensity for signing older players late in their careers, one must wonder-though Carlos is hardly the Mo Vaughan of guitarists.


  53. 53 chrisklob January 31, 2008 at 11:02 am

    Lew, you’re right. I read the column and there is one comment:

    I thought these ajc bloggers had wasted a lot of ink but there is a new champion. Congratulations. Do you folks ever do your work while you’re sober or not high? (A blogger named Humbug wrote this, btw. Gotta give credit I guess).

    I LOL’ed!

    Chop Seal is right. If Chop Chick can have a column, then he should be able to also!


  54. 54 Voice of Reason January 31, 2008 at 11:06 am

    CC states, “In 2003, Santana’s album ‘Abraxus’ was ranked 205 on Rolling Stone magazine’s list of the 500 greatest albums of all time and I (CC) wholeheartedly agree…”

    Now we know why she only posts a new blog about once every 3 weeks. It must be really time consuming to rank that many albums, especially from a pool of every album ever recorded. Whew! I’m tired even thinking about it…


  55. 55 Voice of Reason January 31, 2008 at 11:07 am

    Get back to work!


  56. 56 Voice of Reason January 31, 2008 at 11:07 am

    OK… Sorry!


  57. 57 flbravesgirl January 31, 2008 at 11:07 am

    Hmmm… I’ll save time & invite all of y’all to party #1. The “famous people” party will require a bit of thought. I bet Grinch’s list will be interesting.


  58. 58 mrgil January 31, 2008 at 11:16 am

    Yes Lew, The AJC is becoming the “National Enquirer” without the UFOs… DUH!!! I thought the Richmond Times Dispatch was bad but some of these fish wraps are becoming the “Jerry Springer Show” of journalism.

    Of course Carlos likely has a good “pick” off move…


  59. 59 lew614 January 31, 2008 at 11:28 am

    Gil-It depends entirely on who he has playing with him.


  60. 60 flbravesgirl January 31, 2008 at 11:35 am

    Ok, I reserve the right to change the guest list at anytime.
    1. Leonardo da Vinci
    2. Thomas Jefferson
    3. William Shakespeare
    4. Catherine the Great
    5. David Eddings
    6. Mercedes Lackey
    7. Jane Austen
    8. Margeret Mitchell (so I can ask what what happened the next day)
    9. King Ludwig II of Bavaria (who will hopefully let us have the party at Neuschwanstein Castle)


  61. 61 ssiscribe January 31, 2008 at 11:48 am

    Top of the morning, everybody. gotta run to lunch with my best girl, and I’m snowed under with work right now (which certainly is a great thing). Figured I’d chime in and say hello, and offer my dinner invite list:

    1. Jesus (who always is at our table, and by our sides)
    2. My best girl
    3-4. My double-play combination
    5. Franklin D. Roosevelt
    6. George Washington
    7. Ted Williams
    8. Ronald Reagan
    9. My grandfather (just to catch up with my best friend; nine years and a lot of ground to cover since he passed on).

    As far as an all-sports list (I’ll leave the family off this one):

    1. Jesus
    2. Teddy Ballgame
    3. Dale Murphy
    4. Mark Richt
    5. Babe Ruth
    6. Michael Jordan
    7. Tiger Woods
    8. Warren Spahn
    9. Hank Aaron

    The cool thing is I’ve spoken with Nos. 3, 4, 7 and 9 on this list, but it’d be cool to break bread and talk about their successes, their leadership skills and lessons learned. Think I could learn a lot from them. If I could squeeze a couple more seats around the table, I’d bring in Greg Maddux, John Smoltz and Tom Glavine, just to watch the three of them fight over the last biscuit!

    Speaking of food, time for lunch!

    The Scribe abides.



  62. 62 Hillbilly January 31, 2008 at 12:02 pm

    1. John Wayne
    2. Ted Williams
    3. Mark Grace
    4. Roger Waters
    5. Syd Barrett
    6. Fred Bear
    7. David Allan Coe
    8. Sylvio Dante
    9. James E. Valentine (Grandfather-died when I was 8)

    I started to pick another group of 9 but since this is a family blog, I’ll keep those trapped inside my wildest dreams.


  63. 63 Voice of Reason January 31, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    I’m reading the same numbers for Johan today, 6 years/$150+M.

    NYM have no leverage whatsoever from a negotiation standpoint. They have painted themselves into a very expensive corner.

    I will state again, for the record, that contract will cause problems for Johan, the clubhouse and the organization. Don’t think so? Ask A-Rod his opinion. Ask Kevin Brown how big contract + big expectations + big city lights feels. Ask Superman Wright, who plays every day, how his 6 year/$55M deal feels now.


  64. 64 Hillbilly January 31, 2008 at 12:14 pm

    Edit: Died when I was 8. Not when I was cool.


  65. 65 mrgil January 31, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    What a beautiful day it has turned out to be. Cool though, looks nice while warm here on the inside but for sure it’s too cold for me to play a round of golf. So many things I would like to be doing now besides being stuck in front of a key board and monitor. Oh well, maybe by the week end it will warm up a bit.

    CL.. I am going to send you a picture for jimmy smith. He might want to add it to his page… 🙂


  66. 66 williamwallace January 31, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    Sorry about not responding last night. Had a wicked headache. The type that requires 12 Advils and 15 hours of sleep.

    I’m glad people took the post in good fun. Glad to see Bob came up with a Georgia team for the tourney. We have 3 teams now. Tennessee, Florida, South Carolina, Arkansas will want to be represented I’m betting. Since Vermont is probably short in players, Lew can have the entire New England area.

    Salty, I had not thought about Sandy and Greenberg not wanting to play on Saturdays. I’m betting that you and Klobber rig the tourney so that the Carpetbaggers have to play doubleheaders on Saturday. The 9 game series will start with a doubeleheader on a Saturday and end the following Saturday with another doubleheader.

    As for DH, how can I sit the Iron Horse? I don’t think either Joe Torre or I want to be the ones who end Lou’s streak at 2130 because we Wally Pipped Lou Gehrig in favor of starting Hank Greenberg at first base. I guess Greenberg will just have to settle for being a pinch hitter since the ones running this tournament are of the National League variety.

    Third base concerns me. Edgar Martinez was only a third baseman early in his career and was not a very good one. I guess I could move Torre over to third and start B.J. at catcher. But that would take Greenberg and Edgar’s bat out of the lineup.

    Oh, well, my head is still killing me, so I’ll respond to the rest later.


  67. 67 williamwallace January 31, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    10 people I’d invite to a dinner party:

    1. Osama Bin Laden – so I could kill him
    2. Jesus
    3. Mary
    4. Martin Luther King
    5. Thomas Jefferson
    6. Abraham Lincoln
    7. JFK
    8. FDR
    9. Benjamin Franklin
    10. Adolf Hitler – Since we’re killing Osama at this dinner, why not another?

    10 Athletes:

    1. Jackie Robinson
    2, Babe Ruth
    3, Ty Cobb
    4. Muhummad Ali
    5. Shoeless Joe
    6. Mickey Mantle
    7. Joe Dimaggio
    8. Jack Dempsey
    9. Jack Johnson
    10. Dale Earnhardt

    10 Actors:

    1, Paul Newman
    2. Morgan Freeman – just to hear the sound of his voice
    3. Robert Redford
    4. Robert Deniro
    5, Al Pacino
    6. Marlon Brando
    7. Johnny Depp
    8. Gary Oldman
    9. Gene Hackman
    10. Clint Eastwood


  68. 68 Hillbilly January 31, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    I doubt Arkansas would have enough to make a team. I’ll dig around.


  69. 69 williamwallace January 31, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    Ya gotta invite Osama Bin Laden and 10 of his best buds to dinner. Then call in some Army Rangers, Navy Seals, Green Berets, and have them blow the place up when you step outside for a cigarette.


  70. 70 Hillbilly January 31, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    Here’s a few:

    Johnny Sain
    Brooks Robinson – HOF
    Torii Hunter
    Don Kessinger
    Willie Davis
    Kevin McReynolds
    Dizzy Dean – HOF
    George Kell – HOF
    Pat Burrell
    A.J. Burnett
    Lou Brock – HOF
    Arky Vaughan – HOF
    Preacher Roe
    Travis Jackson – HOF


  71. 71 williamwallace January 31, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    Yeah, Salty, Arkansas has got quite a few great ones. One of the best things about all time teams is that the bench does not need to be deep because the starters are so great.



  72. 72 berigan2electricboogaloo January 31, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    Lew said…. I have Comcast High speed cable internet and have never had any kind of problem with it or with the modem. It sure as hell does not cost $51 a month. It is actually less if you get it as some sort of package with digital cable (then you can pay even more for the Extra Innings package). It’s all outrageously expensive, but I’m worth it. Wouldn’t expect a Brick Wall to find the best alternative, though.

    Well, I have Dish network. After 20 years of lousy reception with cable(Or digital cable on channels above 100 , and Turner Classic movies always being below 100) and their constant ads bashing Satellite, went with Dish, and have never regretted it. Wouldn’t be able to get a deal for Comcast in other words.

    Ah, the brick wall comment again. Methinks if you looked in a mirror these days, you would see two colors. Red, with thin strips of gray vertically and horizontally! :mrgreen: I like to think I am more of a plaster wall, with some give. Plaster. Man, am I dating myself. I am a fun date though.
    By the by, the baseball world seems to agree with me that the Mets are improved.
    Buster Olney says it can be argued the mets are the best team in the NL(Though he also mentioned his ERA was 5.11 the last 7 starts after a 17 strike out game-and wonders if the Twins where thinking they had to trade him)
    Keith Law says it makes the Mets the NL favorite as well. Wait, perhaps I should rethink the whole thing if he says that! 😉

    Seriously though, a open minded, easy goin’ fellow like yourself has to at least admit the Mets about stole Santana from the Twins, right????


  73. 73 berigan2electricboogaloo January 31, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    Here’s an interesting article saying how Santana may reshape the races(And with other AL talent switching leagues, who knows the NL might make it back to the big leagues again!)


  74. 74 berigan2electricboogaloo January 31, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    My top ten for dinner…
    1. Jesus

    2. Ted Simmons…..

    Eh, that’s enough. If more people show up, they will start asking each other questions, and I won’t get to do all the asking!


  75. 75 berigan2electricboogaloo January 31, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    Ol’ Bubba Clinton has to be getting some money under the table to be helping Obama so much!



  76. 76 lew614 January 31, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    Berigan-I do not date brick walls. Or much of anyone, considering I’m approaching 34 years with my wife. Don’t really want to hear about you getting plastered.


  77. 77 savannahguy January 31, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    All time Georgia Team

    Manager: Bill Terry

    C – Ivey Wingo
    1B – Bill Terry
    2B – Jackie Robinson
    SS – Cecil Travis
    3B – Ray Knight
    OF – Ty Cobb
    OF – Moises Alou
    OF – Dixie Walker
    DH – Frank Thomas

    Bench: 1B Johnny Mize, 1B Wally Joyner*, 2B Tony Phillips, OF Wally Moses, OF Marquis Grissom, OF Mike Cameron

    DL: Rondell White

    SP – Kevin Brown
    SP – Kenny Rogers
    SP – Tim Hudson
    SP – Spud Chandler
    SP – Jim Bagby
    P – Tully Sparks
    P – Sherry Smith
    P – Jim Hearn
    P – Bryn Smith
    P – Whit Wyatt
    RP – John Rocker
    RP – Todd Jones

    (source: Associated Content, not the el, cabs, jitneys or streetcars. I’ll go with it.)


  78. 78 savannahguy January 31, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    My ultimate dinner party: For now, I’ll just crash all of your dinners to visit with you and all of your illustrious invitees. Lots of good folks there and then I don’t have to worry about invitations, cooking or cleanup. Mr. Fly wants to come to and bring all of his mutant relatives. I told him to save that for a larger outdoor affair in the summer.

    Red or white wine?


  79. 79 nacly January 31, 2008 at 4:50 pm

    Stickin’ with the BarnStormers! :mrgreen:


  80. 80 Carolina Lady January 31, 2008 at 5:03 pm

    Howdy, all! Too tired to think straight, but wanted to post Raisin’s seriously beautiful family photos. Checked the Spam filter and retrieved a couple of posts – no idea why they didn’t pass muster – anyhow, those posts should be in place now.

    No test results yet. Was up all night, had her at the hospital by 7:15 this morning, got home around lunchtime, had a hour’s nap, then back up to take Kelly to her appt., home again, warm supper, got everybody fed – and here I am. Maybe. Will not be sharing your delightful company this evening as I plan to be zzzzzzzzzzzz as soon as I can get Mother settled for the night! 😆


  81. 81 williamwallace January 31, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    Savannah, you might want to skip out on my dinner party since the place is gonna blow up. You and your sweet, strong wife need each other too much. I, on the other hand, need the 70 virgins God will give me when I kill Osama and his buddies at my lil’ dinner party.

    That’s an impressive list for Georgia. Too funny having Rondell White on the DL already. I’m betting that you will need to put Moises Alou on the DL at some point during the tournament.

    Where the hell is JJS and Chop Seal today?


  82. 82 savannahguy January 31, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    Braveheart, do we get to include Savannah barnstormers on the GA team?

    Hey, if yer scared, say scared.


  83. 83 savannahguy January 31, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    WW, when you have your dinner party, see if one of Bob’s guests can stop by just before the candle is lit. Adolf needs to go twice.


  84. 84 savannahguy January 31, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    Carolina Lady, so sorry to hear…take care of yourself. Rest well.


  85. 85 lew614 January 31, 2008 at 5:30 pm

    Hey-No one ever guaranteed those virgins wouldn’t be as ugly as -well, you figure out what doesn’t appeal.


  86. 86 savannahguy January 31, 2008 at 5:43 pm

    Salty, I don’t blame you. I’d stick with the Bama boys too. Good team.

    I’ll give you John Rocker for anybody on your list.


  87. 87 williamwallace January 31, 2008 at 5:46 pm

    Lew, it’s all the same when you turn the lights out. So, I’ll just be like former Negro Leaguer Cool Papa Bell and hop out of the bed, flick the switch and be back in the bed before the lights are out. If not, I will just drink enough Knob Creek so that I am sufficiently beer goggled.

    Savannah, what are you gonna call your team? Are they gonna be the Georgia Peaches? The Carpetbaggers will be more than happy to hop on the midnight train to Georgia and take on your Peaches.


  88. 88 williamwallace January 31, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    I keep trying to find a way to get Bo Jackson on my team since Salty cut Bo during tryouts for the Bama team. Savannah is already trying to make trades!

    I would love to see the chemistry of that lockerroom with Jackie Robinson playing on the same team with Ty Cobb and John Rocker. Savannah is gonna be like Arthur Blank and have a p.r. nightmare with that squad. He’s also gonna have Kenny Rogers punching photographers and Kevin Brown sulking, buying steroids, and breaking his hand punching water coolers with his pitching hand. Good luck.


  89. 89 mrgil January 31, 2008 at 6:08 pm

    Okay CL… You’ve got mail…


  90. 90 mrgil January 31, 2008 at 6:10 pm

    VOR…. Good looking group you have there. 🙂 By the way, when did you steal my dog????


  91. 91 lew614 January 31, 2008 at 6:23 pm

    Braveheart-Yeah, Ben franklin used that concept too. I guess when yuou look like Ole Ben, you were somewhat limited. He was, however, in France for quite some time. Ooh La La. Y’all.


  92. 92 flbravesgirl January 31, 2008 at 6:27 pm

    Maybe it’s time to change your avatar, WW? Not that your intentions aren’t the best…


  93. 93 mrgil January 31, 2008 at 6:39 pm

    Ben Franklin really was a father of our country…. Or at least the baby’s daddy… (can say that) 🙂 A ribald old cuss was he…


  94. 94 savannahguy January 31, 2008 at 7:06 pm

    FBG, after he has his guests over for a bang up party, he’ll be “rest in peace”.

    WW, yep…it’s a spirited bunch. I’m trying to get Grinch to be the GM. He’ll knock heads if need be. By the way, you never answered about the Savannah additions. If another 30 minutes goes by I’ll consider them cleared of waivers and available.

    Or, if you’re so confident in your bunch you could just say…take your best three or four and add’em…like a real good sporting kinda’ guy. What say?


  95. 95 williamwallace January 31, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    I have been scolded by sweet flbravesgirl. You know you have crossed a line somewhere if Sweetness is gonna take you to task. But she is right. I replaced the peace symbol with Clint Eastwood. You probably couldn’t see it but the peace symbol had the colors of the Irish flag in it. What do we Irish know of peace? But killing Osama and Hitler does not make one not a peaceful man. It’s the opposite. You increase the peace by ending their treacherous lives. Now, If I was attacking Switzerland or the blog equivalent in you and Carolina Lady, that would be not so peaceful.

    Yeah, Savannah, that will be a spirited bunch. That ain’t bad. Bobby Cox wouldn’t like it but he ain’t the manager. I remember JJS talking towards the end of the season about his concerns that the Braves were so young and didn’t act young – no rally caps, none of that spirited stuff. I fully agree with him about that. I’m so tired of these yong guys rushing to the altar and acting like a bunch of corporate white collar stiffs. The Braves badly need a few blue collars.

    I’m not following you though on the Savannah additions. I can’t find the post you are referencing.

    Alright, I have posted too much today.


  96. 96 mrgil January 31, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    Braveheart…. How could a good Scotsman like you fly Irish colors?


  97. 97 williamwallace January 31, 2008 at 7:33 pm

    Gil, I’m actually 7/8ths Irish and 1/8ths Scottish.


  98. 98 savannahguy January 31, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    WW (aka Rowdy Yates), since you have such a strong team and were gathering them up from above and below the MD line, I offered that our GA team might include a few old barnstormers that have come through Savannah. Not born here, but played here at some point. Evens the odds a bit.

    These guys aren’t on anyone else’s team. Free agents so to speak.


  99. 99 williamwallace January 31, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    Oh, yeah, Savannah, that’s cool. You can definitely add players with ties to Savannah. I didn’t feel right having Arod and B.J. Surhoff on the team since B.J. is from Rye and Arod is really from Miami. I probably should take Arod off and put Rod Carew on since Arod was born there and grew up elsewhere and Carew was born elsewhere but grew up in the Bronx. It would be like doing a basketball team and claiming Michael Jordan because he was born in Brooklyn although we all know he grew up in North Carolina.


  100. 100 mrgil January 31, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    Okay folks, I have been surfing the web trying to get an idea of which teams have improved themselves over the winter. Wow, I can hardly wait for the first pitch. This year is going to be a real barn burner in the NL East. That said, most every team has improved themselves except maybe for the Marlins but with them you never know, depends on their pitching.

    This is the type of season I really look forward to when every team looks to bring something to the table and upsets are the norm. I think the difference this year is going to be the middle relievers. I don’t think any team is going to start out loosing 9 out of 10 like last year. A saying I once was fond of when I was into competition, “If you’re going to be the best, you have to beat the best.”

    Football season is nearly over…. Come on baseball…..


  101. 101 mrgil January 31, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    loosing??? losing … Sigh…


  102. 102 mrgil January 31, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    Now you know why editors were invented… 🙂


  103. 103 mrgil January 31, 2008 at 9:03 pm

    Will the Mets adopt “Black Magic Woman” as the official theme song when Santana pitches? Does anyone remember when the Braves signed Tim Hudson to the same amount of hoopla as Santana is now receiving? How did that work out for the Braves that year? Yes, Hudson did come around but it took two years.

    It is still all about having depth and stamina. I think the Mets are going to be closer to the end of their run than the Nationals are to their beginning. The Braves and the Phillies will be the class of the East this year but baseball as a whole should be better. Maybe not the Orioles but everybody else.. :p


  104. 104 savannahguy January 31, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    Alright then. Hank Aaron, Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle and Jackie Robinson have graced the field in Savannah at old Grayson Stadium. Since we’ve already got Jackie and Hank, we’ll just add Babe and Mickey to the GA team.

    I’ll let the Babe DH. Mickey slides into the order as well.


  105. 105 nacly January 31, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    Say what SG…Aaron on the GA team? Excuuuuussseee Me! I don’t recall putting him on waivers! 😛


  106. 106 williamwallace January 31, 2008 at 9:55 pm

    Say what? I was thinking more born, raised, or lived in Savannah – not just someone who passed through on a train on the way to Miami and may have barnstormed for a day or two over there. Granted, the Babe and the Mick may have supported significantly to the economic interests of the nightlife of Savannah during their stopovers there but come on already you are pushing it there buddy. I’m gonna start calling Savannah Guy Rolando Paulino with this Danny Almonte exception he is creating with the Babe and the Mick.


  107. 107 chrisklob January 31, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    Ladies and Gentlemen, I would like to introduce to you all the All-Time Great South Carolina Baseball Team, KLOBBER’S KNOBBERS! We’ve got a strong team, much stronger in fact than I realized.

    MGR — Willie Randolph

    C — Matt LeCroy
    1b — Dan Driessen
    2b — Bobby Richardson
    ss — Pokey Reese
    3b — Orlando Hudson (playing out of position but love the glove)
    of — Jim Rice
    of — Larry Doby
    of — Shoeless Joe Jackson

    SP — Lamar Hoyt, Bobby Bolin, Kirby Higbe, Bobo Newsom, Jared Burton
    RP — Lou Brissie, Billy O’Dell, Dooley Womack, Bill Landrum, John Boozer, John Buzhardt

    Bench — Gorman Thomas, Preston Wilson, Mookie Wilson, Reggie Sanders, Jimmie Coker, Billy Spiers

    You’ve got to root for a team that has one guy expelled from baseball plus guys named “Boozer”, Buzzhard and Jimmy Coker. You know these guys like to party!


  108. 108 flbravesgirl January 31, 2008 at 10:20 pm

    “Sweetness”? 😳 Thanks, WW. I’ve got a small percentage of Irish blood, along with a whole bunch of other roots.


  109. 109 flbravesgirl January 31, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    Is it just me or does “Pokey, Kirby, Bobo & Dooley” sound like a pack of Bassett Hounds? No offense, Chris.


  110. 110 williamwallace January 31, 2008 at 10:53 pm

    Now batting for the Knobs, Pokey……. (can say that?) sure to be banished.

    That’s a great team, Klobber. One of the great things about baseball is that no matter who you are or where you are from, they seem to find you. But I often think sometimes though that there are truly great players out there that never got to play for who knows what reason. Never got the shot, weren’t exposed or encouraged enough by a loving father, liked other sports, who knows.

    Some concerns will be raised when they question how Klobber has his own team but is financing the tournament and the teams for me and Salty as well. Conflict of interest? We’ll just say he may be a crooked bootlegger but he demands the utmost integrity with what goes on between the white lines.


  111. 111 chrisklob January 31, 2008 at 11:07 pm

    WW, let’s just say that the dividends of the 1919 World Series are still paying well.

    And you keep saying “crooked bootlegger” like it’s a bad thing!


  112. 112 berigan2electricboogaloo February 1, 2008 at 1:00 am

    Everyone gets real sleepy here around 11 PM. Can’t hang with the big dogs. Big dogs being me, Gil and Bob! 🙂


  113. 113 berigan2electricboogaloo February 1, 2008 at 1:01 am

    flbravesgirl said…

    Is it just me or does “Pokey, Kirby, Bobo & Dooley” sound like a pack of Bassett Hounds? No offense, Chris.

    That, or a law firm you don’t want anyting to do with!


  114. 114 Bob, journalist February 1, 2008 at 3:14 am

    I see I have a lot of catching up to do … computer’s been down all evening and now email doesn’t work.

    Adolf Hitler?????A particular question you would like to ask him?

    Actually, quite a few … a very interesting individual and a most persuasive speaker … but, my reason for inviting him … Jesus across the table … goodness, a new definition to squirm, methinks. I suspect the answer to the purpose of life may lie somewhere in the book of the Apostle John … and probably should have invited him too … would love to know what he really thought, said and meant … rather than what is attributed to him … though it’s pretty good stuff itself.

    As an aside, I didn’t include either family or members of the Blog … because of the invitee list limitation of nine … wouldn’t be fair and I’ve lost my 100 foot poll. I too had Catherine the Great but I didn’t want to offend Peter … and also had Samuel Clemens in my original list which didn’t include Socrates and Plato … they were last minute invitees because Carol knows them well and folks I respect have always said I should get to know them too … but never did.


  115. 115 Bob, journalist February 1, 2008 at 3:31 am

    I’m actually 7/8ths Irish and 1/8ths Scottish … do you bark too? Doing a good lead story doesn’t entitle you to invite an extra person to your dinner parties.

    Sir Guy, I thought Tim Hudson was from Sin City Alabama or he would have been my 5th starter.


  116. 116 Bob, journalist February 1, 2008 at 4:46 am

    To the one who watches us but doesn’t speak … it seems that my email account is somehow corrupt or Comcast has a problem … but, your solution is correct. Personally, I think the more delightful and elegant setup is to end it with the “kid” not knowing the answer … and then asking how many homers he had hit in Rookie League … but then he wouldn’t have made the team … and it would have been more difficult to set up the “Bobby/Hoss” sequel.

    The “sequel” is actually based on a true story … I encountered the basic problem about 50 years ago … in the form of “the product of three whole numbers = X and the sum of the three = Z. What are the three numbers in terms of Z?” … There is no general unique solution since, as with 2450, there are numbers where certain of the possible values of “Z” produce multiple solution sets.

    For those who might have an interest …

    Some folks say there’s not enough information … two equations in three unknowns … but, they overlook the vital third piece of information … the “kid” couldn’t solve it … for if of the “3 number cross products” that equal 2450, no two had the same sum, … the intelligent “kid” would have known the answer but he did not … and since there is but one such duplicate, we know how many homers the “kid” hit … 32, if memory serves.

    The “kid” figured it out when the manager told him that he had hit more in his career than any of the three … a vital fourth piece of information for there is only number which would allow him to so do … 50, the number of career homers hit by the manager.

    Sounds oblique, but it’s really not … just my poor ability to explain a neat little math puzzle … too tough for beet righters maybe, but even Hoss “figured” it out.

    The true story part … I made good pocket money with that little puzzle while in school, in the service, and later at parties … because folks would argue it couldn’t be solved.

    When I would interview folks for positions, I never paid much attention to their resumes … I’ve read more of them than Scribe has written stories … and haven’t seen a bad one yet. Hiring folks is hard ’cause they always try to tell you what you want to hear when they’re looking for work … so I developed a little test that included some of my favorites; with this one included among the math related questions … helped me to know how they thought; that is, their thought processes … which methinks is the key to motivation and management … and interested me more than what they already knew or thought … you can generally change those things with relative ease … helps with chemistry too, when folks have similar approaches to giving thought … but the knowing is what’s key.

    When we opened Regency Galleries (home furnishings, art and accessories), I included the test, sans the more difficult math problems, as part of the employee employment application … probably couldn’t get away with doing that today … but it wasn’t for any evil purpose, I assure you.

    Those that I hired liked “the test” … one evening, after we had closed, I ordered pizza and we had a little impromptu employee meeting … during which I gave them each blank pieces of notepaper and sternly told them that we had added another problem to “the test” and would use it in their performance evaluation … I then told the story to them … no response, … except for a young teenager whom I had given a part time, after school job … helping to keep things clean, neat, etc. … who was just listening.

    Without warning, he blurted out the answer! I was stunned and asked him how he came to that conclusion … and there it was … 2,000 … 400 … and 50 … and the logic too … poor kid. No, his name was John, not Larry.

    A totally unconnected thought … equal pay for equal work … bah humbug … there is no such animal!

    Sleep tight!

    Why is it that “sit tight” means to take no action while “sleep tight” means to sleep soundly or well? Tight is a tough word …


  117. 117 berigan2electricboogaloo February 1, 2008 at 6:56 am

    joke(s) of the day

    Charles Dickens walks into a bar and orders a martini. The bartender asks, “Olive or twist?”

    A mushroom walks into a bar and the bartender says “We don’t serve your kind here.” and the mushroom says – “Why not? I’m a fungi!

    A horse walks into a bar, across the room, up the back wall, across the ceiling, down the front wall and then up to the bar. The bartender gives the horse a beer, he drinks it and leaves. A guy sitting at the bar looks perplexed and asks the bartender “Hey, what’s that all about?” The bartender replies, “Don’t take it personally, he never says ‘Hi’ to anyone.”

    A pony walks into a bar and coughs, “Hey, COUGH. Gimme a bu COUGH a beer COUGH. The bartender serves him and says, “What’s with your voice?” The pony says, “Nothing, I’m just a little hoarse.”

    A guy walks into a bar with jumper cables. The bartender says, “You can come in, but don’t start anything!”

    A man runs into a bar and asks the barkeep, “Give me ten shots of your best whisky.” The bartender sets up the ten glasses. The man starts drinking them as quickly as the bartender serves them. The bartender asks, “Why are you drinking so fast?” “You’d drink fast too, if you had what I have.” The bartender asks, “What do you have?” “Seventy cents.”

    A dog with his leg wrapped in bandages hobbles into a saloon. He sidles up to the bar and announces: “I’m lookin’ fer the man that shot my paw.”

    A guy walks into a bar, sits down and hears a small voice say, “You look nice today.” A few minutes later he again hears a small voice, “That’s a nice shirt.” The guy asks the bartender, “Who is that?” The bartender says, “Those are the peanuts. They’re complimentary!”


  118. 118 savannahguy February 1, 2008 at 8:11 am

    Say what SG…Aaron on the GA team? Excuuuuussseee Me! I don’t recall putting him on waivers!

    Salty, cool yer jets man…you’re right; Aaron is on the Bama team. Mobile born and all, I know. What I should have said is, ” We already have Jackie Robinson, Aaron is accounted for (on the Bama team)…”. Although it was probably more that Hank is one of my all-time favorites that I just associated him with Braves and hence Georgia. Don’t worry; he’s a Bama guy. He’s you’rn.

    Well WW, since it is true that the Babe from Maryland only hopped off the train in Savannah to play a few times in Savannah and Mickey is an OK guy from OK, I’ll concede. Just trying to, you know…spice it up a bit. Anybody got a Maryland team that wants a trade?

    Bob, after a little googling I see that you are right about Tim Hudson. Thing is, he’s listed on Associated Content as an “All-time Georgia Born MLB Player”. That’s what I get for being lazy and believing what they said.

    Bob, would you serve as the team President of the GA team? You don’t even have to wear suspenders. Should we revive the name “Georgia Crackers”?


  119. 119 savannahguy February 1, 2008 at 8:13 am

    Why is it that “sit tight” means to take no action while “sleep tight” means to sleep soundly or well? Tight is a tough word …

    Were you “tight” when you wrote that? ; )


  120. 120 savannahguy February 1, 2008 at 8:15 am

    Funny stuff Berigan. Yesterday I tried to post a speed test for you but it got eaten by WordPress. I’ll try again here:

    Berigan, here’s an internet speed connection test I use when things get slow on the net. I’ve got Comcast high-speed and it usually flies, although sometimes it slows with lots of net traffic.

    When you arrive at the site just click on your nearest city (you’ll be Atlanta). Then just read it and weep (assuming your on slow DSL. For a comparative, here were my numbers when just checked:

    Download Speed: 5987 kbps (748.4 KB/sec transfer rate)
    Upload Speed: 364 kbps (45.5 KB/sec transfer rate)

    Check it out: Speed Test


  121. 122 savannahguy February 1, 2008 at 8:18 am

    That’s so weird…I tried to post the above link yesterday but it wouldn’t take as a custom-word link. Anyway, here’s the message that also got eaten along with the link: Berigan, here’s an internet speed connection test I use when things get slow on the net. I’ve got Comcast high-speed and it usually flies, although sometimes it slows with lots of net traffic.

    When you arrive at the site just click on your nearest city (you’ll be Atlanta). Then just read it and weep (assuming your on slow DSL. For a comparative, here were my numbers when just checked:

    Download Speed: 5987 kbps (748.4 KB/sec transfer rate)
    Upload Speed: 364 kbps (45.5 KB/sec transfer rate)


  122. 123 Voice of Reason February 1, 2008 at 8:19 am

    Good morning all! I have a very busy day ahead today, mainly because I have been slack since entering into this Brave new world. I work 90% of the time from my home in NE Georgia, but today I have about 2 1/2 hours of travel time inside the perimeter plus a ton of work to do, all to be completed by 2:00 so that I can get packed and ready to leave town at 3:30 on a weekend snow tubing trip to W. Va. Be home about midnight tomorrow. I’m already tired thinking about it. 🙄

    See ya’ll, figuratively speaking, on Monday…


  123. 124 berigan2electricboogaloo February 1, 2008 at 8:58 am

    SG, thanks! I asked what people thought on a political chat room and someone mentioned a site called http://www.tcpiq.com. Had to download something. it checks speed up to 12 times a day. I don’t know..this is what speakeasy shows for me…
    1257 KBPS download, 217 KBPS upload….a lot slower than you! What is as slow as you get??

    Oh, the numbers from that other site that also make my eyes cross.
    Last 24 hours Last 7 days
    Number of tests 5 5
    Download speed -1.00 KBits/sec
    -0.13 KBytes/sec -1.00 KBits/sec
    -0.13 KBytes/sec
    Upload speed -1.00 KBits/sec
    -0.13 KBytes/sec -1.00 KBits/sec
    -0.13 KBytes/sec
    DNS Speed 227.00 mSec 227.00 mSec
    Latency 0.00 mSec


  124. 125 berigan2electricboogaloo February 1, 2008 at 8:59 am

    VOR, I am tired reading that!!! Have a good (if busy)weekend !!!!


  125. 126 savannahguy February 1, 2008 at 9:15 am

    Berigan, 1257 dl and 217ul is pretty slow but operable (in an AOL dial-up sorta way). You may want to bypass the modem and do a test with the jack plugged directly to your computer. That’ll show you if you have a slow signal from the source or a modem that needs replacement/upgrade.

    You now know everything I know about that.


  126. 127 Bob, journalist February 1, 2008 at 9:20 am

    Galluses ain’t no problem cause I got several pair … but, why is Josh Gibson not on your team?

    Dare I ask the duties of the team president?


  127. 128 berigan2electricboogaloo February 1, 2008 at 9:27 am

    Sg, that’s a good idea! I’ll try that later. Being a big dog, I haven’t been asleep yet… has one of the other dogs been asleep yet??? Bob????


  128. 129 savannahguy February 1, 2008 at 9:38 am

    Bob, Journalist…as GA (still needs name) team President, you get to make up the rules and have final say on the roster. Other than that, you may need to be available from time to time for beet writer interviews, eating at fine restaurants and such. You may want to start a book also. Team President’s, especially those that saw the Crackers in person, have a duty to inform those that weren’t there.

    You also get to hire the GM. Grinch has been suggested but he’s playing hard to get.


  129. 130 berigan2electricboogaloo February 1, 2008 at 9:40 am

    Wow. Just wow. Never heard about this wounded soldiers tale, and how he has inspired the Giants. I am not much of a football fan, but I think I have found a better reason to root for the Giants than not liking the head coach of New England…



  130. 131 morpheus45 February 1, 2008 at 9:41 am

    Morning, all! Dang Berigan; that IS slow. Did you buy that computer from the kid in “Wargames?”

    Lists of folks we’d like to have dinner with, huh? I see some of you are going to have a hard time understanding anything with folks speaking Greek, Latin, Aramaic and French. For that reason, I believe I’d stick to some good old fashioned engrish-speaking folks:

    Jonathan Swift
    Samuel Taylor Cooleridge
    Carl Jung (he also spoke English in addition to his native tongue)
    Erwin Rommel (I’m learning German)
    Otto Von Bismark (ditto)
    Johan Wolfgang von Goerthe (double ditto)
    Richard Pryor
    Winston Churchill
    Lemmy from Motorhead
    Justin Wilson cooking up the Cajun food and a naked Scarlett Johansen serving drinks.

    Of course, if I had a bevy of TRANSLATORS, I’d have another list. And a list of nothing but movie directors. And another of guitarists. And another of writers. And painters. And so forth and so on. How the heck can you just pick nine people? And who would just want to eat loaves and fishes (rice and sushi is another story)? Plus, you’ve got to have people at the table who were famous talkers, not who just did famous things. Otherwise, it might actually be quite boring.

    Off to the gym.


  131. 132 Hillbilly February 1, 2008 at 10:36 am

    Grinch, if they’re sitting in the order you put them in, then you have Winston Churchill flanked by Richard Pryor on one side and Lemmy on the other? That, my friend, would make for one heck of a good picture.


  132. 133 mrgil February 1, 2008 at 10:55 am

    Sometimes you don’t really want to know what you don’t already know. A bit like knowing the secret to a magician’s trick. People are like that too. Sometimes when we get to know them, they become a little too ordinary. Would all our preconceived notions be dashed were we to discover that some of the folks on our list were obnoxious boors and not who we have been led to believe they were?

    Sometimes it is good to still believe in Santa Clause. 🙂

    I am sure that even we are careful not to let our hair down too much lest we be viewed as less than we want to be. Well, except for Berigan who has already let his hair down… 🙂

    Bottom line, folks might be surprised as to the identities of some real heroes. The difference is often whether or not they have a publicist. I have know some heroes who were denied recognition because the medal “quota” had already been filled. I have witness a few incidents where by “heroics” were recognized and by the time the act was cited, I wondered if we were talking about the same time and place.

    The Bible tells us that a prophet is never recognized in his home town. The secular version of this is an expert is defined as the guy from out of town with the briefcase…

    If fellow who gave us the adage that “God gave us two ears and only one mouth” never realize we would have a computer keyboard and 8 fingers and 2 thumbs and high speed internet…..


  133. 134 ssiscribe February 1, 2008 at 11:11 am

    Top of the morning, good folks, as the rains and winds have blown away from the southern rim of the capital city.

    So, you guys awaiting the news from the Big Apple? There’s been a degree of panic on a lot of the message boards and blogs I’ve checked out since Tuesday’s announcement of the trade of Santana to the Mets. I, for one, am not too worried. Santana, indeed, is on the very short list of best pitchers in baseball. I wrote on bigleagueblog.net Tuesday night I believe Santana is the best lefty in the game, and his presence COULD make the difference in an NL East race in which the difference between the Braves, Mets and Phillies is razor thin.

    With that said, I think the pundits who already have anointed the Mets the champions of the East are misguided. The Braves and the Phillies have made big upgrades this offseason. I think all three teams, the way they stand now, will come in somewhere between 85 and 90 victories. I also think both the D’Backs and Dodgers will come in between 92-97 victories, meaning the wild card is coming from the West.

    As we embark on the 15th anniversary of the “Last Great Pennant Race,” between the Braves and Giants in 1993, we may have one heck of a battle brewing in the East. Braveheart, was it you who called it a “bloodbath” on the other blog? That’s a great word to describe it. I really, really think unless somebody gets hit with a major injury (like Wright or Tex or Rollins missing four months, something really big like that), this thing is gonna be one heck of a race for the duration of the season.

    Should be fun! Bring it on!!

    The Scribe abides.



  134. 135 lew614 February 1, 2008 at 11:20 am

    Good Morning Denizens-Another Wurllitzer Winner has expressed interest in joining our ranks on the Braves and Stuff Blog, but feels he would not be welcomed-Flange1. He lurks, so let’s let him know he would, indeed, be welcome amongst the August (and September) ranks herein.

    Berigan-You really need to stay out of bars. It is not seemly for Brick Walls to be so consistently plastered. It leads to telling bad jokes.


  135. 136 mrgil February 1, 2008 at 11:23 am

    flange…. If you’re out there… come into the light 🙂


  136. 137 mrgil February 1, 2008 at 11:26 am

    And Berigan… Post whatever you like…. CL will let you know the limits 🙂


  137. 138 mrgil February 1, 2008 at 11:35 am

    Scribe… I would agree that the anointing of the Mets as the team to beat based on the acquisition of one pitcher is a bit premature especially when the rest of the team has not been improved. Now, if the Phillies had acquired Santana I might conclude he would be a deal maker. I am going to stand by my statement made yesterday on another blog that it is my personal opinion that 2008 will be the year of the middle relief pitcher. It’s going to be the guys that come into the game in the 6ht and 7th innings and hold team who are going to be the difference between in the money and also ran….


  138. 139 savannahguy February 1, 2008 at 11:55 am

    Flange1, c’mon in…the water’s fine. So is the Knob Creek from time to time when Klobber shows up. Besides, your knot and idiot.

    Scribe, it is going to be an interesting year whether the Mets sign Santana or not. Wren, Cox and team are going to have to begin the season with urgency, bunt the runners over, play small ball and do whatever it takes to win early season games.

    Win early, win often.


  139. 140 mrgil February 1, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    or could that be Early Winn????


  140. 141 mrgil February 1, 2008 at 12:22 pm

    Prhaps not as I don’t think there was an Early Often….


  141. 143 Hillbilly February 1, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    Flange-1: Level-headed posts, good baseball knowledge, fresh Wurlitzer winner, recently acquired a taste for the Drive-By Truckers, right? Sign him up.


  142. 144 mrgil February 1, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    fingers moving faster than my brain or it that the other way around? Would be tough for my brain to move much slower…. Already on Impulse power…


  143. 145 lew614 February 1, 2008 at 12:30 pm

    Flange has emailed us and will join us later today. Now Gil-why did you have to go and mess up a perfectly good brickwall reference. Of course he can post what he wants. Me too.


  144. 146 savannahguy February 1, 2008 at 12:30 pm

    Gil, if you put together your Virginia team you’ll be assured of winning it all.

    Why? Because David Wright was born in Virginia. You can’t possibly lose now.


  145. 147 mrgil February 1, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    Yes SG as well as Jason Verlander but it is tough getting a decent starting nine. I could throw in Charlie Manual to coach and Syd Thrift to scout or even as a GM but Virginia is the Mother of Presidents, not the Mother of baseball players. Perhaps too many distractions to produce good ball players although there have been a few. 🙂


  146. 148 Carolina Lady February 1, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    JerseyGil will be joining us, as will flange1! WELCOME TO BOTH!!


  147. 149 mrgil February 1, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    See what I mean Lew, I am give so many fingers and only half a brain to work with… 🙂


  148. 150 mrgil February 1, 2008 at 12:43 pm

    Okay, I have to go to mothers and get my beating…. Catch ya’ll later…


  149. 151 nacly February 1, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    Flange1 and <JerseyGil

    A big WELCOME to both of you. You’ll enjoy the company!


  150. 152 nacly February 1, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    Uh…and as you’ll discover soon enough, posting has some unique challenges! 😳


  151. 153 nacly February 1, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    , now that my avatar’s schizophrenia is responding to the drugs…send cake!!! :mrgreen:


  152. 154 nacly February 1, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    OK…WordPress has spun a ‘tempest in a teapot’ with this blog. My posts don’t look right (the last one was to FBG ), the schizophrenia isn’t responding…not good. I don’t need WordPress’s help coming across as a total idiot…I can do that on my own! 😡


  153. 155 lew614 February 1, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    Gil-Nah, Dude, your fingers are just fine. Heh heh.


  154. 156 Bob, journalist February 1, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    No, Berigan, I haven’t yet been to bed … but I’m clintoned and not making any scents … but, unlike the esteemed union negotiator, I posit that it’s always good to believe in Santa … though I’m not sure of which clause he speaks.

    I am sure that even we are careful not to let our hair down too much lest we be viewed as less than we want to be. Well, except for Berigan … ” … rumor is that Lew wanted to let his hair down too. I’m lucky… when I do it, few people understand what I’m saying and few of them what do take me seriously.

    How the heck can you just pick nine people?” … it’s as easy as stopping when you get to nine which obviously gives some folks problems … Christmas Stealer, interesting list.

    you’ve got to have people at the table who were famous talkers, not who just did famous things …… boring” … there are lots of folks who are famous talkers who are quite boring … probably most. If we could somehow host such a party, we could most certainly overcome such simple barriers as language … boring dinner parties are usually the fault of the host … everybody likes charades and pin the tail on the donkey … ice breakers they are … no excuse for any party to be boring!!


  155. 157 lew614 February 1, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    Bob-The days of letting my hair down are thirty years past. I have a decent ponytail, but it would take an extremely bizarre comb over to cover my face like the Hairy Brick/Plastered Wall does. Someone mentioned Cousin It. A relative, perhaps? Not so distant cousin?


  156. 158 journalist jimmy smith February 1, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    journalist is not familiar with flange1 . . . but apparently flange1 knows something of this journalist. look what a blogger sent jimmy smith:

    By flange1

    January 28, 2008 6:16 PM | Link to this


    Thanks for the link. I agree with the above posts that EVERYONE on both blogs should let it go.

    Even the guy over there that posts with 3 or 4 different names.

    He stills seems to have a problem with a certain “beet writer.”

    Let it go JJS…

    oh, well, jimmy smith is apparently and idiot. jimmy smith does not frequent that blog but is still mentioned there. let it go would seem good advice for all.

    and journalist has been away from braves and stuff for a time, too. many posts to read.

    and no one would include jimmy smith at the table? jimmy smith did not make a single list? and no mention of cher?

    and not a single mention on the all-georgia team? cordele, remember.

    baseball blogging is not for sissies.


  157. 159 journalist jimmy smith February 1, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    blog fight! lew has called berigan “cousin it”. this should be good for some exciting posts. also mentioned a comb over. berigan should be pretty hot by now. nothing like a little name calling to get things rolling here. and carolina lady is away for the moment . . .

    and bob, jimmy smith is still looking for 7 intelligent beet writers. can jimmy smith get back to bob on this? deadline for submission?

    and kumbaya sung by a choir . . .


  158. 160 journalist jimmy smith February 1, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    hk, ready to graph? braves and stuff needs some graphs. who will be the smartest braves player? willl the braves get more production out of the clean up hitter versus andruw? and will kotsay be about the same as say, willie or thorman in the lineup? and whither chop seal? preparing for spring training. may visit mcdowell’s fitness camp. can’t call it camp roger because that reminds everyone of camp leo and that leo is no longer here. braves p.r. department talk. spin it until it reads right. and a little bird is telling this journalist and all who will listen that hampton is 100% going into the spring. will a 9th trip to the d.l. be required soon? anything the team gets from hampton must be considered a bonus. and will hampton require a bonus if hampton pitches well? discount to re-sign? much will be learned about hampton soon. and at the table with jimmy smith? eisenhower would be on the list. and perhaps pinky lee. and a beet writer – not sure which one – to tidy up. oh, the humanity! jimmy smith cannot let go! must be a character defect.


  159. 161 lew614 February 1, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    Esteemed Journalist-Do we not all have And Idiot potential? Many did believe (myself included) that dead horses continued to be thrashed soundly well past their expiration date. That’s all right. I will still respect you in the morning. Not so sure about Seal Boy, though.


  160. 162 lew614 February 1, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    Could he not have been referring to a blogger of a different odor?


  161. 163 journalist jimmy smith February 1, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    jimmy smith bears no one ill will. jimmy smith just chooses jimmy smith’s company carefully. some thoughts run deeeper than others – and some thoughts run on the surface. some never submerge, merely hover over water. a place for all. best to be in the right place. carolina lady’s blog appears the right place for this journalist. bloggers must have standards, too. still waters run deep. tippecanoe and tyler, too! takes a lickin’ and keeps on tickin’. a citizen wherever we serve.


  162. 164 lew614 February 1, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    Forty four forty or fight. And nothin says lovin like something from the oven. Where is FBG?


  163. 165 journalist jimmy smith February 1, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    ah, yes, poppin’ fresh. a good avatar for somebody. not saying lew needs an avatar – or that it should be poppin’ fresh. just blogging. oh, the humanity! and fbg appears to be in the kitchen since not blogging right now. nothing like baked goods for the super bowl.


  164. 166 lew614 February 1, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    Esteemed Journalist-I have met the man who invented the Dough Boy. He is also the artist who originated the Green Lantern in the comic books. I own one of his GL drawings.


  165. 167 journalist jimmy smith February 1, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    no dough boy talk on that other blog. get your dough boy talk here. and wasn’t dough boy released? closest thing to dough boy now is in the dugout with bobby. choosing between blogs is sort of like choosing between sherlock holmes and chief moose. and yes, braves and stuff also talks moose. elk. whatever walks in lew’s backyard.


  166. 168 lew614 February 1, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    But Esteemed Journalist-I blog in both locations. So does Mr Gil and Braveheart, Salty and ChrisKlob. Besides, were we not mature enough to get past differences, you and I would not be conversing like we do, for I disagreed with your previous stance re: the other blog. We CAN get past differences of opinion-IF you’re not a Mets’ fan.


  167. 169 nacly February 1, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    OH…Low blow, Lew! 🙂
    What’s worse than ‘your and idiot’? You’re a Mets’ fan! Oh, the absolute humanity!!!


  168. 170 williamwallace February 1, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    Yeah, I think the 2008 season is gonna be a bloodbath for the NL East. I don’t think any team is outstanding, I think the Phils, Mets, and Braves will duke it out. I don’t think the Braves as they are presently constituted, have what it takes. I think they are gonna need one extra piece that will have to be added in July. Hopefully, this time it will be a pitcher. The Nats look so much better – although not good enough just yet to get over .500. And as Gil said yesterday about the Marlins, you just never know about them.

    I think Johan will be great for the Mets but not the way some say he will. The NL East has 4 teams that score over 5 runs a game and the Nats look to have a much better offense on paper. So, I think it will be hard for him to get his ERA below 3.00.

    But I was thinking about the Glavine & Johan thing. Instead of paying Glavine $8 mil, if they had just taken that $8 mil and put an extra $12 mil to it, couldn’t they have gotten Santana?

    They promised many millions more would be spent and I really have not seen that promise fulfilled. I know some say they have spent $5 to $10 mil more but when you say many millions more, that means alot more to the fans. That was a hollow campaign promise.

    I would expect the salary level to go back to the 2003 levels of about $105 million. If you take away Glavine’s $8 mil and put in Santana’s $20 mil, that would have brought the team to about $105 million.

    That would have excited fans and made the team better. And I think it would have pushed attendance from the current 34,000 a game to 40,000 fans a game. Fans need the buzz and excitement. Getting Santana after getting Tex would have been a 1, 2 punch similar to McGriff and Maddux.

    Attendance went up 10,000 fans a game to 47,000 fans a game when Maddux and McGriff were added. With that being said, I understand that the attendance increase had alot to do with the buzz created by the 1991 and 1992 World Series runs. But I think to make money, you have to spend money. You have to dream big. You have to add a star or two. You can’t rationalize sensible moves into extraordinary moves. All I see are small dreams from the Braves front office. It seems to be more of a can’t do rather than a will do attitude.

    McGuirk says many millions more and then he regrets it. Why regret it? Why not follow through? Was that voting for the war before you voted against the war?


  169. 171 journalist jimmy smith February 1, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    yes. lew and the pulse of that blog also blogs here. room for everybody. multi-blogs works for some. journalist may become a chop chick regular someday. and look at the spin-off blogs of late! everybody has their own blog now – or one in the works.

    jimmy smith speaks only for jimmy smith. cannot speak for others who blog here or there or anywhere – and does not wish to. journalist merely states that for jimmy smith the choice is/was an easy one. friend bob left and so, too, this journalist. along with others. jimmy smith can blog here or not and it won’t matter to most. where and with whom jimmy smith blogs matters mostly to jimmy smith. cerebral or cereal, your choice. maybe some of both. and whither bob with laertes and polonius talk? grinch with shakespearian reflection? or chop seal with whelk? journalist will sometimes be pithy not to be confused with that word that sounds a lot like pithy. if it ain’t fun and it ain’t amusing and it ain’t learning ya nuthin’, why bother? and one last comment on the subject . . . last tag!


  170. 172 journalist jimmy smith February 1, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    salty . . . was lew calling this journalist a mets fan? must read that again . . . hmmm…..


  171. 173 nacly February 1, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    jimmy…’twas veiled!


  172. 174 williamwallace February 1, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    As usual, I’m lost on who is calling who what and what is really being said. But I ain’t too bright. But it’s funny banter anyway.


  173. 175 berigan2electricboogaloo February 1, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    WW, I agree the NL east teams look better than ever, but I think not having to face David Ortiz, Sheffield, or Travis Hafner(and seeing hitters like Willie Harris and Orr instead) will help him keep his ERA around 3.00 or less. I think Tim Hudson was an aberration, most pitchers should be at an advantage coming from one league to the other….I don’t think anyone in the NL has quite the bugs bunny type of change up that Santana has.

    I know if I was still on the other blog, there’d be no way I could say anything praiseworthy of a Mut player.

    I am glad we are not in the other Eastern division. Gotta feel sorry for teams like the O’s Jays, and Rays…Tampa looks to be a much improved team, but unless the Yankees implode under new management, how is any team going to get above 3rd place????


  174. 176 berigan2electricboogaloo February 1, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    Grinch, where are the photos of your ………. Camaro????


  175. 177 berigan2electricboogaloo February 1, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    And when oh when will ESPN start to hype the super bowl???
    No joke, my Dad, who knows as much about football as I do about quantum Physics (Nada, less than nada) was asking when he saw nonstop footage of football during a sportscenter last Monday…So, is the superbowl tonight??? 😆 Hard to explain why they were running one football story after another 6 days before the game…Heck, I don’t know why either. Fan’s watched the big game B.E. (Before ESPN) You’d think they had the game, or their sister station, but it’s Fox for goodness sake!


  176. 178 berigan2electricboogaloo February 1, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    Grinch, that was supposed to be a line from that 80’s song. a Word that rhymes with witchin, then camaro.


  177. 179 nacly February 1, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    WW…not to worry…Lew was giving Jimmy a jab in the ribs. And I misspoke…it wasn’t veiled…it was conditional. Jimmy’s no Mets’ fan, under any circumstances…he’s much too cerebral! 🙂


  178. 180 lew614 February 1, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    Salty-No, you need to go back and read what I said-which was that mature adults could weather differences of opinion, unless that person were a Mets fan. The Journalist and I have ironed over differences. We have publically and privately said what was on our minds and I would still send him Maple Syrup if he so desired. He would, I’m sure, send me grits and black eyed peas if I were to ask for them. We are mature adults (at least most of the time), but Mets’ fans are incapable of mature thought. Otherwise they would not be Mets’ fans. Pretty self evident, actually.


  179. 181 williamwallace February 1, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    Lew, Shaun is picking a fight with you about Chuck James.


  180. 182 williamwallace February 1, 2008 at 4:50 pm

    Santana wanted 6 years, $168 mil?!?!?!?!?!?!? Is he nuts? And the Mets are willing to give him $152 million?!?!?!?!?!

    Never mind my rant up above. No pitcher is worth that much money over that many years. No pitcher. Hitters, maybe. Pitchers, no.


  181. 183 nacly February 1, 2008 at 5:26 pm

    **Lew**…I did read…didn’t you see my retraction (of sorts?). I misspoke…am humbled and, as I so duly noted several posts earlier, am and idiot! 😦


  182. 184 lew614 February 1, 2008 at 5:28 pm

    Salty-Aren’t we all.


  183. 185 nacly February 1, 2008 at 5:28 pm

    Completely humiliated, now, I’m taking my toys…and Barnstormers, and leaving! 😉


  184. 186 lew614 February 1, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    Braveheart-I have no desire to do battle with Shaun about anything today. I’m really not sure what I even said about Chuck was controversial in the least. All I said was that I was glad Chuck was at the mini camp and hoped he was working on a third pitch, which would make him an even better pitcher than he already was. What can Shaun possibly object to with that? Maybe I’d better go check.


  185. 187 williamwallace February 1, 2008 at 5:39 pm

    Lew, I have no idea either. Couldn’t tell if he was affirming what you said or picking a fight. I know the two of us were the two biggest Chuckster groupies last year.


  186. 188 savannahguy February 1, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    Howdy do Braves fans. Oh…looks like conversation is getting a little tense in Braves and Stuff. Dead horses being beaten? Not my old pal Thirsty Horse hopefully. The dreaded Mets fan designation being bandied about? Blog fight brewing? Other Blog spilling over? Oh, the duplicity!

    Now Lew is being blamed for calling Berigan cousin It? Actually Lew, it’s cousin Itt. I’ll admit…that was my observation a while back, but it wasn’t intended to be an insult to the Hair Bear. Just an innocent acknowledgment of the obvious. Addams family stuff, that’s all. When Berigan combs his hair back he probably looks much better. Has two eyes, nose, mouth…everything.

    No sense in getting testy. Or if one must get testy, refer to this testy. Just found out I have the same birthday as Sid Bream. Me and thunderin’ herd hizzone self.


  187. 189 williamwallace February 1, 2008 at 7:02 pm

    Lew just went murder capital of the world on a Mets troll. Classic!


  188. 190 Carolina Lady February 1, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    Why don’t we let the ajc blog stay on ajc? Do not need or want a duplicate here. Have plenty to talk about without it.


  189. 191 journalist jimmy smith February 1, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    well, tom glavine sure looks old. just looks old to this journalist. hope tom glavine has some magic in that old silk hat tom glavine wears. and mets fan and jimmy smith do not fit together in any sentence not containing the word not (clever use of not three times, carolina lady – for emphasis). and thankfully lew was not calling this journalist a mets fan. and cannot start a fight between lew and berigan over the cousin itt remark. both jimmy smith and savannah have tried. and what is with the facial hair of chuck james? trying to look like a duck? duck hair? not a cerebral look. not a cerebral approach to pitching, either. a third pitch would be beneficial – perhaps an out pitch rather than a hit it out pitch. oh, the humanity! will there be a new face in the rotation this year? and photos – chop seal has made another photo submission to carolina lady – but this is a controversial submission and may not receive carolina lady approval for posting on chop seal’s photo page. and if bloggers do not yet have cheese platters for the super bowl – time is running out.


  190. 192 savannahguy February 1, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    Glad this place is Met troll proof. Carolina Lady has a pest control under contract that keeps the pests and vermin away. Only a friendly fly gets through occasionally.


  191. 193 journalist jimmy smith February 1, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    fly swatter – that’s what carolina lady uses. some flies are exempt, though. journalists.


  192. 194 savannahguy February 1, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    and sleuth reporters


  193. 195 jerseygil February 1, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    Lew i just write the blog ajc and men o men…the mets fan are taken over.
    Until the season start, let see what happen the first month when they start loosing again the Phillis and Braves.
    Carlina Lady….thanks for the invitation to this blog…
    I love baseball, the old fashion way.


  194. 196 Carolina Lady February 1, 2008 at 7:33 pm

    New photos posted from MrGil, including a gift photo to jjs; and from Chop Seal.

    If I’ve missed any, y’all let me know. It’s been kinda hectic here of late.

    Let’s just say that none of us will ever be bothered by certain bloggers from other……places. 🙂 That! is bliss! 😆


  195. 197 Carolina Lady February 1, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    WELCOME, JerseyGil!! Very glad to have you here! Hope you’ll enjoy it!


  196. 198 chrisklob February 1, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    Hi JerseyGil and Welcome! I hope we see lots of you around here!


  197. 199 morpheus45 February 1, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    Howdy, all. Yes, Berigan; I used it to run over my neighbor. he didn’t appreciate it.

    Flange1, huh? I remember being friends with him on the other blog and being busy for a week or two (not blogging anywhere), then stopping back over there and having four or five folks come out of nowhere to be exceptionally nasty to me for no apparent reason. I recall him leading the charge; something to the effect of “Look who came back after only a few days with his tail stuck between his legs…they just can’t stay away, can they?” Perhaps he was only joking, though that usually comes with a follow up to indicate so. Clown shoe on the other foot now? Follow the page hits, I guess. 🙂 Anyhoo, no biggie; I’m no Grinch to hold a grudge. Welcome back and the hatchet shall be buried.


  198. 200 morpheus45 February 1, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    Howdy, Gil; long time no blog!


  199. 201 jerseygil February 1, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    Thanks, Carolina Lady…i feel like home…with old good body


  200. 202 journalist jimmy smith February 1, 2008 at 7:44 pm

    hello, jerseygil from jimmy smith! jerseygil is also a journalist with a scoop to jersey gil’s credit. jimmy smith remembers.

    oh, the humanity! mrgil has found one ugly woman for jimmy smith’s page. who is that? 😆


  201. 203 jerseygil February 1, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    The ajc blog are taken over Mets crazy guys with no respect of other opinion…i’m old fashion baseball guys, i will respect you opinion and i spect to you do the same, no matter if you are not a Braves fan.


  202. 204 williamwallace February 1, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    sorry about that. point talen, CL.


  203. 205 journalist jimmy smith February 1, 2008 at 7:51 pm

    yes, grinch, lots of advice from a couple bloggers as jimmy smith recalls. but, journalist, too, can bury a hatchet. careful not to provoke jimmy smith, though, or hatchet can be sharp.

    and grinch, this blog is attracting some good baseball bloggers. knowledgeable bloggers. multi-syllable bloggers. carolina lady has built a colossus. a veritable colossus.


  204. 206 morpheus45 February 1, 2008 at 7:51 pm

    There’s been no disrespect over here I know of; that’s largely the reason this place was created I imagine. CL will not cater to such nonsense. Surely there will be no Mets fans here.


  205. 207 mrgil February 1, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    Greetings JG…. Be sure to check out the photo pages…. All good baseball here. Well, most of the time anyway….

    And jimmy smith, would love to have you to dinner but was thinking more along the lines of a bar-b-cue… Most appropriate venue for this group I would think. 🙂 Just an old fashion picnic
    with b-b-q and slaw and pie and home made ice cream and all you good folks talking baseball… 🙂


  206. 208 savannahguy February 1, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    Is betting allowed on blog? I’ll give 4 to 1 odds that WW knows where this quote originated.

    The first rule of Fight Club is – you do not talk about Fight Club. The second rule of Fight Club is – you DO NOT talk about Fight Club. Third rule of Fight Club, someone yells Stop!, goes limp, taps out, the fight is over. Fourth rule, only two guys to a fight. Fifth rule, one fight at a time, fellas. Sixth rule, no shirt, no shoes. Seventh rule, fights will go on as long as they have to. And the eighth and final rule, if this is your first night at Fight Club, you have to fight. – Tyler Durden.


  207. 209 morpheus45 February 1, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    Colossus? WWF? WWE? American League?


  208. 210 mrgil February 1, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    Greetings JG…. Be sure to check out the photo pages…. All good baseball here. Well, most of the time anyway….

    And jimmy smith, would love to have you to dinner but was thinking more along the lines of a bar-b-cue… Most appropriate venue for this group I would think. 🙂 Just an old fashion picnic
    with b-b-q and slaw and pie and home made ice cream and all you good folks talking baseball… 🙂


  209. 211 Carolina Lady February 1, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    JerseyGil, there will be no trolls or Mets fans here. (I have an ‘in’ with the site administrator! 😆 ) And everybody knows there are only 2 rules: keep it clean and no attacks. It’s been a good and fun place to hang out and enjoy ourselves. I’m glad you’re here! Can’t wait for ST!!


  210. 212 journalist jimmy smith February 1, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    yes, carolina lady runs a tight ship. not a submarine, though. anyone have their own submarine? don’t know why that thought just occurred to jimmy smith. and speaking of disrespect, the ajc is losing subscribers at a faster rate than any other major newspaper (major being city, not paper). do tell. and in today’s news: chuck james is working on a new pitch.


  211. 213 jerseygil February 1, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    Thanks gil i will…mmm..jummy sound good…How is the weather out there, here is crazy…rain,freezing rain…not good weather to bbq…


  212. 214 mrgil February 1, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    Wow, a double post…. first time I have ever seen that… gremlins in the server? maybe just an AMC pacer…. 🙂


  213. 215 nacly February 1, 2008 at 8:06 pm

    WW…yes, he did, and it was funny! Now, be a good lad and eat your veggies! :LOL:


  214. 217 jerseygil February 1, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    as you all know my wife is a Big Phillis fan, born & raise in Philadelphia in an old catholic home. so for now is peace and tranquile here at home, until the season start, and the argument start.
    I will let you know what is going in on during the season…it going to be fun…fun…Also we planing to visit the Dc new Park in Aug, labor day weekend, sunday the Braves play the nat and monday the Phillis.


  215. 218 mrgil February 1, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    We got about two inches of rain but it has cleared and now the cold weather is blowing in. Should not be long before Lew flies south and looks for his shadow. 🙂 Will indicate if we will get six more weeks of bad weather or not.. 🙂

    This is my last year of bird dogging for the Braves JerseyGil as the Braves are moving my team. 😦 I will be at the mercy of others telling me what to expect from up and coming rookies.


  216. 219 jerseygil February 1, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    This is a cool site…how i post my pic here….i tried to do it in my personal profile, but is not show it…


  217. 220 journalist jimmy smith February 1, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    oh, the humanity! barbecue and baseball. jimmy smith is on the way! and will hubbard have kelly johnson ready to go to kelly johnson’s right when the season begins? and betemit has signed with the yankees. and where is woodward? any chance bobby will want woodward back?


  218. 221 mrgil February 1, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    I too plan to visit the new DC stadium but I am angling for a day game. From what I understand there is no parking near the stadium except for season ticket holders so I will have to park at the Metro and ride the train in. Wife will not go to Washington after dark under any circumstances.


  219. 222 Carolina Lady February 1, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    JerseyGil, your avatar showed briefly, then blanked out. WordPress has done massives ‘upgrades’ to their servers in the last few days and I think they are still shaking out the bugs from it. Repost the picture as you did the first time and just wait. Sometimes it takes a while! 🙂

    ww, thanks.


  220. 223 savannahguy February 1, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    Journalist Jimmy Smith, we all live in a Yellow Submarine. A yellow submarine. A yellow submarine.

    JerseyGil Welcome to Braves and Stuff. Carolina Lady will help you with an avatar. Otherwise you’ll look just like Lew. That could get confusing. Lew has a pony tail but you can’t tell because his avatar is facing the camera and he’s in a snow storm in Vermont. Or, the cobblers kids have no shoes.

    Did JJS say that Lew was sending everyone maple syrup?


  221. 224 mrgil February 1, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    Patience JG… Sometimes takes a while. Any personal photos you would like to post, send them to our most excellent blog mistress and she will take care of them.


  222. 225 jerseygil February 1, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    Sorry Gil for your Richmond Braves…But ihave my son living in Atlanta and he will keep me update with the minor league rookies…If any one know what name going to use?..Gwinnet BRAVES sound to bad….
    Hey gil if the city of richmond going to lure any other team?


  223. 226 savannahguy February 1, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    Jersey Gil, if you live in New Jersey and your wife is a Phillies fan, how did you come to be a Braves fan?


  224. 227 jerseygil February 1, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    Gil…the weekend of Aug 29, friday, saturday,sunday, the braves play at DC, Sat and Sun are Days game and Monday labor day also is day games


  225. 228 lew614 February 1, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    Lord-My Shadow could cause a small eclipse.

    Jersey Gil-No outdoor BBQ here, either. Snow and falling ice from the sky-not even freezing rain, just chunks of ice. Nasty.


  226. 229 Chop Seal February 1, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    HeLLo JersyGil, you and i should get alonG fine. I am a beet writer noW. Welcome to the blog.

    And this froM SavanNah Guy: Jersey Gil, if you live in New Jersey and your wife is a Phillies fan, how did you come to be a Braves fan and which team has the most total toes? Careful, trick question.


  227. 230 jerseygil February 1, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    Savannahguy…..i live in the south from 1976 to 1999, first in florida near Chipper Jones Home, then i was tranfer to Atlanta, i met my actual wife in Atlanta, she was working with Home Depot, she travel a lot, installing computer sys to new store, we end up here in jersey open a new store when she has an accident and decise to stay here in south Jersey.
    Also i was in the Army, station in Fort Benniing Ga, i was in 1968 in the Fulton county stadium, when was only 600 fan in the stand.


  228. 231 mrgil February 1, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    The IL President has issued a statement saying that Richmond is still considered their territory and any attempt by another league to talk with Richmond before the Braves actually move would mean a fine of between $25,000 and $50,000. To which most of the folks in this area have said.. “YEAH, RIGHT!!!”

    I suspect we will get the Eastern League, Erie franchise which is AA. They currently have a working agreement with the Detroit Tigers. A lot of finger pointing as to who is at fault but I think the Braves have had this move in mind for a couple of years now. It makes sense for them. It just grates on folks to have someone say we are moving but you can’t talk to anyone else either.

    The other folks on this blog will concur that I was pretty bummed out about it for a while. I still may switch over to the Nationals before it is all said and done. They are going about it the right way in that they are building an organization and not just a team. Plus I really like Manny Acta.


  229. 232 mrgil February 1, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    Hummm…. That might be doable…


  230. 233 jerseygil February 1, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    Gil..remember the Nat have the same organization type of guys than the Braves. The pres stan kasten was the Pre of the Barves before, but if you are a Braves fan you always be a Barves for ever. I say the same think few year a go, when the braves not have any desire to win. And i still a braves fam……My wife tried a few time.


  231. 234 mrgil February 1, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    And so many familiar faces in Washington now…Langerhans, Estrada, Willie Harris, Pete Orr. All those guys played in Richmond. Good AAAA players.. 🙂

    Except Estrada, great catcher when healthy and clutch hitter. Not as much power as McCann but about the same foot speed on the base paths. I am calling for a match race between the two this year. I am calling it the slowest two minutes in sports 🙂


  232. 235 mrgil February 1, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    And Lew, now we know why there would be six more weeks of bad weather… 🙂 However, perhaps if we could stand side by side we could reverse the trend of “global warming” …


  233. 236 lew614 February 1, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    Gil-Either that or cause a new ice age.


  234. 237 lew614 February 1, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    Besides-In Vermont, we’re likely to have snow all the way up to and into June. All those old cliches like April Showers and May Flowers are all only relevant to the mid Atlantic states. Northern New England is a whole other deal.


  235. 238 savannahguy February 1, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    Gil, you shouldn’t stop being a Braves fan just because their minor league team left Richmond because Richmond wouldn’t or couldn’t do the deal they wanted. Where’s your Bravo loyalty? Isn’t that like losing an old friendship with folks who are the parents of college kids that are going to school in your town? When the college leaves the community due to a lack of support, then their kids leave, you abandon your old friends too? C’mon man. Snap out of it. You got us.


  236. 239 savannahguy February 1, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    Man, this blog is acting up. Does anyone else get a “Server Maintenance” page when posting? Must be improvements.


  237. 240 jerseygil February 1, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    I just read the latest ajc blog, DOB say that Hudson look pretty good.
    Javy look better….if you guys think that Javy be catching Huddy or Glav?


  238. 241 savannahguy February 1, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    Jersey Gil, that was a good story of your travels. Hope your wife has recovered and is well now. Braves games in the 60’s were quite different. More like minor league crowds. When we went, my folks brought our own hot dogs and cracker jacks and such. No security checks. No guards on the field. Nice time. Ahh, the good old innocent days of summer. Never even considered terrorist threats.

    Biggest threats were streakers and organ players being out of tune. Oh, one more…sitting behind a lady with a beehive hairdo.


  239. 242 Chop Seal February 1, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    Will THormaN listen to coaches and cut down on his swing this year or will he swing so forcefully that he brakes wind on every sWing? IF Thorman is going to get at-bats his swing should change. Penya might be the Answer to this problem.


  240. 243 jerseygil February 1, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    Hey savannaguy…..that why my guys in the platton call me the “Runaway”
    when i was in Vietman.


  241. 244 jerseygil February 1, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    Goodnight guys…my computer start give me some problem, and the server again…Nice bloging with you guys…



  242. 245 savannahguy February 1, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    Thorman brakes wind on every swing? Need batting instruction and diet change? Banned from pre-game buffet?


  243. 246 chrisklob February 1, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    He must be eating too much of the beet writers’ cheese!


  244. 247 savannahguy February 1, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    Jersey Gil…was it like Forest Gump? Run, Jersey, run!!! Or streaking in the jungle?


  245. 248 savannahguy February 1, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    Klobber, save me a seat if you open the saloon tonight. In a few minutes dinner will be served…and I’m the server. PB&J sammiches all around. ; )


  246. 249 chrisklob February 1, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    SG, all my best customers have a spot reserved at my bar with a brass placque. Your seat is always open.


  247. 250 Carolina Lady February 1, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    Klobber, you got that new shipment of Diet Coke in yet? I’m thirsty!


  248. 251 chrisklob February 1, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    I stock it just for you CL. You okay with having a seat next to SG?


  249. 254 berigan2electricboogaloo February 1, 2008 at 10:12 pm

    Belated greetings To Jersey Gil!!! 🙂


  250. 255 chrisklob February 1, 2008 at 10:14 pm

    CL, when this place goes quiet, it goes REALLY quiet! Kind of eerie.


  251. 256 morpheus45 February 1, 2008 at 10:15 pm

    SG, sometimes the streakers and the organ players are one in the same…bada bing! Thank you, thank you; tip your waitresses…


  252. 257 journalist jimmy smith February 1, 2008 at 10:15 pm
  253. 258 journalist jimmy smith February 1, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    oh, the humanity! censored!


  254. 259 Carolina Lady February 1, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    It really does, doesn’t it, Gil?? 😆

    Howdy, Grinch!


  255. 260 chrisklob February 1, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    Censored? I thought you were just very quietly letting us know that you are still here! Kind of a jjs humor thing.


  256. 261 Carolina Lady February 1, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    Didn’t censor anything – lemme check the spam bin –


  257. 262 berigan2electricboogaloo February 1, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    from http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
    Santana has been signed for $137.5MM for six years with a $7MM signing bonus added to Santana’s 2008 salary. The total deal is worth $150.75MM.
    hmmm, 137.5 + 7 = 144.5, correct??? Is there a bonus on the bonus???
    At least I know Lew is happy the deal is done! 😉


  258. 263 chrisklob February 1, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    Um, that wasn’t “Gil” ma’am. Have you had to many Diet Cokes?


  259. 264 berigan2electricboogaloo February 1, 2008 at 10:20 pm

    Oh Mighty Grinch, are you saying you ran over a neighbor with your “whichin” Camaro??? Or am I confusing the car you have??? And where are you pictures??? Dog, you, textbooks. Something!


  260. 265 Carolina Lady February 1, 2008 at 10:22 pm

    😆 Too many hours sitting in various medical facilities and WAY too little sleep! Sorry, Gil and Chris!

    jjs, nothing in the spam filter.

    I am not happy with the problems the new servers are having. Sure hope it’ll all settle down quickly! WordPress has OVER 2 million blogs on it, so I guess they had to upgrade, but a downgrade in quality isn’t worth it, is it? ❓


  261. 266 berigan2electricboogaloo February 1, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    I have some pictures of me at Cards spring training in 1981….need to find those. I think the only other times I was at a game, the cruddy (Spell check has no problem with that word?) non 35 MM cameras made everyone look even further away than they were!


  262. 267 Carolina Lady February 1, 2008 at 10:25 pm

    Nope, nary a cold Diet Coke in sight. Just a cup of (old) coffee and some kisses. Hershey variety.


  263. 268 journalist jimmy smith February 1, 2008 at 10:26 pm

    don’t check anything, carolina lady. jimmy smith was just having some fun. it was a blue werm post gone bad. and now jimmy smith will try another one . . .

    world famous organ player, wurlitzer in fact, jimmy smith. well known organ player and tuner.


  264. 269 journalist jimmy smith February 1, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    well, hammond b-3, close enough.


  265. 270 chrisklob February 1, 2008 at 10:33 pm

    but a downgrade in quality isn’t worth it, is it

    still better than over “there”, dontcha think?


  266. 271 Carolina Lady February 1, 2008 at 10:36 pm

    Noooooo doubt about that, Chris! Clean air, sunshine and no dirt. Yes!


  267. 272 Carolina Lady February 1, 2008 at 10:44 pm

    I’m going to take this tired mind to bed! Y’all have a good one! 🙂


  268. 273 chrisklob February 1, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    Been reading over “there” a little tonight. I think there are more Mets fans than Braves fans. Pathetic!


  269. 274 Carolina Lady February 1, 2008 at 10:53 pm

    It really is. This place is like a sanctuary! We can gather our info from around the internet and discuss it here in peace.

    My brain and fingers are no longer communicating! “Night! 😆


  270. 275 nacly February 1, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    Howdy??? Anyone up…still?


  271. 276 chrisklob February 1, 2008 at 11:07 pm

    I’m still here salty.


  272. 277 chrisklob February 1, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    It really is. This place is like a sanctuary! We can gather our info from around the internet and discuss it here in peace.

    And a huuuuuge thanks goes out to you for creating this oasis for us!


  273. 278 morpheus45 February 1, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    Back again…sorry to hit and run. Hey, CL! Saltyman, etc.

    Berigan, I will break the camera out this weekend and make up for being remiss in my photographic duties. All apologies. I’ve been a busy fellow…but I can never be too busy for y’all (insert Full House “awwwww” background here).


  274. 279 nacly February 1, 2008 at 11:13 pm

    Hey, Klobber! I hear you about ‘the other side’. In fact, it seems to be longer periods of time between visits, and after reading a few posts, I remember why. In many respects, it’s like a soap opera…you can take a few weeks off, return and see that little has changed.


  275. 280 nacly February 1, 2008 at 11:14 pm

    Yo, Grinch! Did you watch the Thrashers tonight? I know they won, but doggone it, they were up 2-0 when I watched the first period. What happened?


  276. 281 morpheus45 February 1, 2008 at 11:16 pm

    Greetings, Chris. I’m imbibing on a little home brewed IPA tonight; no KC handy. It’ll do, though; if I may say so myself.


  277. 282 morpheus45 February 1, 2008 at 11:22 pm

    ‘fraid not; I’ve been out by a bonfire most of the evening…glad to see the win but they’re driving me crazy with their inconsistency. Only made it out to one game so far this season, and they were the same way within the game. Looked like zombies two periods and world beaters one.


  278. 283 nacly February 1, 2008 at 11:26 pm

    Home brew, huh? My son is actually getting into that; I’ve talked of doing so, but never took the time. He brought over a couple of bottles of a lager he recently brewed…pretty good. I think he has designs on learning all he can and then…who knows??


  279. 284 morpheus45 February 1, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    I’m just starting; still using recipes from my mentor. But he’s a mighty good one. He just came up with a batch he calls “Festivus” and it’s like the nectar of the gods. I will soon aquire this recipe, if we have to go all Kung-fu teacher/master showdown. Prost!


  280. 285 flbravesgirl February 1, 2008 at 11:33 pm

    Good evening, y’all. Welcome, Jersey Gil!

    Was it “fire night” tonight? We sat around the firepit here.


  281. 286 flbravesgirl February 1, 2008 at 11:34 pm

    Salty, I’m making a pineapple upside-down cake in a few days. Will that make the forks happy?


  282. 287 mrgil February 1, 2008 at 11:39 pm

    Greeting all… Tough to get facts about teams any more. So many smoke screens thrown up.

    SG… I know, but when you have your heart broken it is really tough to forget, you might forgive but you never forget. 42 years is a long time, even to Journalist Bob…. It might have been different if I had seen it coming or had a chance to brace myself for it but wham… Out the door and gone. I feel so used…. 🙂

    So, a couple of things I do know…. I won’t become a Mets fan even if Maine and Wright are Virginia boys. I would switch to the American League first.
    I am very funny about who and what I will support. Perhaps I am a bit too Pollyannish but I still think people should keep their word. I am not going to trash the Braves, after all, I am not a Mets fan….. I am not into talking smack. I just think a lot of smoke is being blown right now by folks trying to act like they are not the bad guy.

    To be honest, Richmond has some bigger needs right now than a ball park. So many years of corruption is hard to undo. When you have one of the biggest outlays per capita on schools in the state and you can’t even supply books to your student and have one of the worse levels of achievement in the state, you have deeper problems.

    No, I will not obsess over it nor boor you all with our problems, I am sure ya’ll have enough of your own. Yes, I will root for the Braves this year but I may declare duel citizenship and secretly cheer for the Nationals too. We shall see. 😉


  283. 288 chrisklob February 1, 2008 at 11:40 pm

    Salty, good analogy!

    Grinch, drink one for me! I’ve made beer a few times myself. Some of it pretty darn tasty. Some of it dreadful. But it’s amazing how cheap it is to make your own. Fun too!


  284. 289 nacly February 1, 2008 at 11:40 pm

    FBG…works for me…and the forks, if they’ll stick around! One screen they’re there, next minute, back to being ‘Flaky Sea Salt’! ❓

    Sorry, folks…time to log off…sleepy time! Hold down the fort…I think SG is coming along shortly…and no doubt Bob, J and Berigan will hold down the overnight hours! Cheers!


  285. 290 mrgil February 1, 2008 at 11:44 pm

    salty… I had that problem too until I flooded the avatar file…. 🙂


  286. 291 morpheus45 February 1, 2008 at 11:50 pm

    FBG, it is indeed fire night; I’m headed back out in a moment (though probably not for long). That particular kind of cake is sentimental to me.

    Chris, I’m going the most expensive route possible and using the best stuff available (even infusing B-vitamins to aid in hangover reduction) and it still only comes out to about a dollar a pint. I could brew the equivilant of Budweiser for about a quarter.

    Night, Salty.

    Gil, I’d hate to p*** you off, my man; it’d come back to haunt me way down the road. 🙂


  287. 292 chrisklob February 1, 2008 at 11:57 pm

    Grinch, only bad thing about brewing your own is the fact that you have to wait a couple of weeks to drink it! Yep, a buck a pint is still cheap. Glad to hear that you’re using quality ingredients. After fourteen years in the alcohol distribution industry, I can tell you first hand that it makes a huge difference in the final product.

    I’d be curious if the vitamins actually help. At what stage do you add them? I’d imagine that you’d add them after brewing the wort as the heat may have some detrimental effect on them.


  288. 293 flbravesgirl February 1, 2008 at 11:58 pm

    It’s actually for my dad’s birthday. However, he could use some help eating it since everyone else here is on a diet. I will probably have 1 small piece.


  289. 294 mrgil February 2, 2008 at 12:07 am

    fbg… save a slice for me… would be great at the picnic. 🙂 Night all…


  290. 295 flbravesgirl February 2, 2008 at 12:10 am

    Night, Gil.

    We’re having a picnic? 😯 I didn’t get the memo!


  291. 296 flbravesgirl February 2, 2008 at 12:21 am

    Well, you didn’t all have to leave.


  292. 297 morpheus45 February 2, 2008 at 12:25 am

    Ok; that’s cold enough! Chris, certain protocol must be observed. E-mail me at voton1066@yahoo.com and I shall divulge my secrets.

    FBG, you sound like Charlie Brown. 🙂


  293. 298 flbravesgirl February 2, 2008 at 12:31 am

    Like Charlie Brown???


  294. 299 chrisklob February 2, 2008 at 12:37 am

    voton, you have mail.


  295. 300 flbravesgirl February 2, 2008 at 1:00 am

    Time to put the computer to bed. ‘Night, y’all.


  296. 301 Bob, journalist February 2, 2008 at 1:19 am

    What a treat! Welcome Jersey Gil … welcome, welcome, welcome!! … with the best beet righter and now a Hispanic connection … fantastic!

    Where is Joe Brave?? Who is Neils Boor?

    As memory serves, there were some insights served over that mask … saw the MyLady’s “post” of his link to us and thought it pro not con.

    Not frequenting the other Blog, could someone explain the Flange1 comment “I agree with the above posts that EVERYONE on both blogs should let it go” … that is to say, does anyone know to what posts was he referring and by whom?

    I’ll reserve comment on Flange1 until after my hot tub but, I do find the post sent to the dean of insight, acumen and wit to be somewhat disconcerting if not presumptive … he is one to whom I most wanted to have my “final comments on events past” that I shared via email with David O’Brien and many of you … though I had not his address.

    Grinch, having four or five folks come out of nowhere, and others out of the closet … seizing the moment they were … and those who refuse to accept accountability and responsibility for their own actions are generally quick to suggest that things be forgotten … it’s hard to laugh with them folks what can’t laugh at themselves … that’s more than just purty words … and it’s hard to reason with those whose only familiarity with the layers of the onion is tears … impossible with those who have replaced all their mirrors with beautiful Self Portraits, ‘cepting maybe Lew who’s a pretty good drawer.

    It’s hard to let go of something you never had …


  297. 302 Bob, journalist February 2, 2008 at 1:30 am

    This place is like a sanctuary! We can gather our info from around the internet and discuss it here in peace … Here! Here!! … and with the improved response times … in game tracking/reporting and commenting will be superior.


  298. 303 Bob, journalist February 2, 2008 at 1:34 am

    After fourteen years in the alcohol distribution industry … bet you know every backroad in within a 50 mile radius … where’s your still?


  299. 304 Bob, journalist February 2, 2008 at 1:52 am

    It is really tough to forget, you might forgive but you never forget … 42 years is a long time, even to Journalist Bob … especially if you’ve got a 42 year old that keeps reminding you.

    Unless your brain is malfunctioning, I don’t understand the notion of forgetting … on request access time to the information increases with diminished use but, methinks the information is always there, available for triggering.

    Can you imagine being admonished to forget? It’s called memory reinforcement.

    That’s a good thing to consider before acting rashly … things are never forgotten … though there are those who would rewrite history. The best time to correct your mistakes is before you turn in your test paper.

    Goodnight Miss Allen …


  300. 305 Bob, journalist February 2, 2008 at 7:59 am

    Perhaps better said, … as I do not frequent the other Blog, could someone who does please explain why we continue to be subjects of conversation on the other Blog as suggested by the Flange1 comment “I agree with the above posts that EVERYONE on both blogs should let it go” … that is, what prompted the comments and who made them? … and, without fancy rhetoric, what is it to which folks are refusing to relinquish?

    Those of us who no longer choose to frequent the other Blog, so do for different reasons … and those who who have chosen to continue have their reasons … and each should be respected … but it is inane to suggest that we should forget that which caused us to reach our respective decisions … or that which we learned of ourselves and each other in the process … if indeed we could … lest history repeat itself.

    Whatever it is that the guy over here who posts with 3 or 4 different names has, I for one hope that he retains … we should all be so gifted.

    Pinky Lee a beet righter? I think not … he just dressed like one. I’m a bit surprised that Will Rogers wasn’t on a list or three.

    The ice cream over here is hand cranked …


  301. 306 jerseygil February 2, 2008 at 8:44 am

    Bob journalist:

    Thanks for you welcome..i not a journalist, but i play one in TV…
    i don’t blog to offen now because my new Job….my internet access at work is limited. but as soon i get home i join my good body…and talk Braves baseball.
    Love my team this year, i think we have a good change to win the division and going all the way….everythin depend of how healthty we stay. The bench is better from last year, and love the addition to javy for the change to make the team….


  302. 307 jerseygil February 2, 2008 at 8:45 am

    Love my new PIC…..is Tommy Glavine Welcome….with the City in the background….


  303. 308 jerseygil February 2, 2008 at 8:52 am

    This is not about baseball but is bother me since i saw in CBS this article about a Marine sargent was misdiacnoctic his skin cancer, Sargent Carmelo Rodriguez, he has a wort in his hand and medical staff said was nothing, he died , his family has to paid for his funeral.
    Something is wrong with this country, when we send young kid to fight and we doesn’t take care of ours veteran.
    We have to take care ours people and country first and then the other last.


  304. 309 nacly February 2, 2008 at 8:55 am

    Bob, J
    I visit the ‘dark side’ (LOL!) sporadically…frankly, haven’t seen any mention of ‘letting it go’. That’s probably just (very) old posts…nothing current. Of course, if the topic doesn’t jump off the page, it doesn’t get my attention.

    Secondly, I scroll quickly for the folks I know and respect…and since most of them are here, well, there just isn’t much to see. Lastly, the real reason I go over there: Lew has a great stand-up routine, dealing with the trolls and ijits! Good laughs, but he doesn’t drag it over here! All in all, there’s simply not much there any more…oft times, what you think are new posts/topics, are merely echoes/reverb! 🙂


  305. 310 mrgil February 2, 2008 at 9:29 am

    Good morning all, Interesting comments in today’s Times Dispatch about the miscommunication between the Braves and Mayor Wilder. Sad really, wars have been started over less…..

    Great line from “Cool Hand Luke” come to mind: “What we have here is a failure to communicate”. I learned early on in my union work that it was often best to get the things with which folks could agree out on the table first to set the tone. Far too often people bring up those things they would disagree on first so both sides will dig in and nothing got done. Next thing you know, nobody is talking….

    Jersey, you are spot on with your assessment on the VA. Some more broken promises by folks who feel they are superior or others trying to get by on the cheap. All of us owe a great debt to those who have served in the military. I salute you for your service too.

    And as for the one who supposedly posts by many names…. The rest of us are happy to meet you all and marvel at the talent that lies beneath the surface of such an individual who can pull it off. Hershel Walker perhaps?… 🙂


  306. 311 flange1 February 2, 2008 at 9:31 am

    Good Morning All,

    I would like to thank Lew and Carolina Lady for the invitation to blog with you good folks over here in the “No Mets Zone”!

    It is an honor and a privilege to be included in your group.

    I have read this string and have seen my post on the other blog discussed. I, too, and ready to move on and let the past go. I said “forget” and that actually was not my intention, I MEANT that we should let it lie for awhile.

    JJS, you have always been one of my favorite bloggers, your wit and humor is one of the things that keeps me coming back to blogging.

    I tend to “lurk” a lot, but with everyone’s permission, I will be here often!

    Lew, thanks again for the Wurlitzer!

    flange1 out!


  307. 312 jerseygil February 2, 2008 at 9:35 am

    WElcome flange1….


  308. 313 flange1 February 2, 2008 at 9:41 am

    Thanks JerseyGil!

    And Mrgil,

    I am saddened to see the BRaves move the AAA out of Richmond. It is hard to lose your team. When Atlanta lost the Flames, I was upset for a month and actually quit watching hockey at all.


  309. 314 jerseygil February 2, 2008 at 9:52 am

    Mr gil..Good morning….i was in the richmonf braves web side last night..what you can tell me of this guys Francilys Bueno, Did you see him last year…i think he was in AA. But i didn’t hear to much about him. He is the other Cuban came with yunel.


  310. 315 lew614 February 2, 2008 at 10:07 am

    Morning All-Glad to see we’ve all decided to play nice. I knew y’all had it in you. Really I did.

    Bob-No I never forget anything, either. Despite Berigan’s assumption that I, as a pot smoking individual have burned out the gray cells, I have an almost photographic memory-not so much for the written word, but for circumstances and events. Almost total recall in vivid detail. I remember MY stance on the whole subject, quite well.

    HOWEVER….One may not forget, but one may certainly get over it. In the scheme of your life, it shouldn’t have been a major seismic event. It is definitely time. I have found Flange to be a good, kind, intelligent correspondant very much in tune with our own way of thinking and I would expect him to be treated as such by the group of mature adults I hang out with. I disagreed with the vehemence of your stance, as well and I am still considered a friend to you all. You should remember that if you remember anything. Behave yourselves. You’re better than that.


  311. 316 mrgil February 2, 2008 at 10:27 am

    Good morning Jersey…. I did not see Bueno pitch last year as he was a late call up but I believe he pitched in one of the playoff games for Richmond. He was on a strict pitch count and was pulled after five innings. I believe he had a shutout going at the time. From what I have read he is a keeper…


  312. 317 flange1 February 2, 2008 at 10:29 am

    Thanks Lew for the kind words.

    I do want to emphasize that I DO NOT want to cause a problem by being here. If folks would rather me not be here, I will follow their words.

    I do respect all of the bloggers on CL’s blog and have enjoyed their wit and humor for years.

    I will be glad to discuss anything anyone wants to talk about off blog if that is a better venue for the discussion. My email address is flangebox@yahoo.com and would be glad to speak with any of the bloggers here about anything that they were interested in.

    Again, I do not want to cause a blog issue by being here. Let me know your thoughts either publicly or privately.


    flange1 out!


  313. 318 Carolina Lady February 2, 2008 at 10:29 am



  314. 319 mrgil February 2, 2008 at 10:37 am

    Aye, Aye… CL 🙂

    And for all you baseball junkies who just can never get enough information. here is a like to the Baseball Prospectus top 100 list. The Braves have 6 players on the list. So, it is a statophile’s (my word 🙂 ) dream…

    It also gives you an idea of how the Braves stack up against other MLB teams. The Red Soxs have 7 on the list as does Tampa Bay. makes you wonder why Tampa is not competitive… well they can beat the Yankees but everyone else, not so much….


  315. 321 jerseygil February 2, 2008 at 10:44 am

    If i don’t miss count the braves have 6 player in that list gil..only one mets.


  316. 322 mrgil February 2, 2008 at 10:54 am

    Yes flange, I remember when the Flames moved to Calgary. It was hard for you to root for them after that I bet…

    Richmond lost it’s American Hockey League team when A. H. Robbins was forced into bankruptcy by the Dalcon shield suit. That was a lot different. They use to draw around 5 to 6 thousand a night and I can remember the place being packed with about 10,000 folks.

    I had season tickets and was a big fan club booster. Loved it, after the team was gone, other things sort of took over my life and I got away from hockey. Still love the sport though. Richmond now has a team in the relatively obscure Southern Hockey League. Not a lot of support by the city. It is a bit sad really. I think the local soccer team gets a bigger crowd.


  317. 323 mrgil February 2, 2008 at 10:57 am

    7: Rangers, Red Sox, Athletics
    6: Braves, Rays
    5: Rockies, Yankees
    4: Reds, Dodgers, Angels, Mariners
    3: Cardinals, Orioles, Diamondbacks, Padres, Brewers, Pirates, Nationals, Twins
    2: Marlins, Royals, Giants, Cubs, Indians, Phillies
    1: Blue Jays, Tigers, Mets, Astros, White Sox


  318. 324 savannahguy February 2, 2008 at 11:00 am

    “When a thing ceases to be a subject of controversy, it ceases to be a subject of interest.”
    William Hazlitt, English essayist and literary critic

    Bob, Journalistand if you don’t believe Lew’s lecture today about peace, forgiveness, harmony and goodwill towards your fellow man, he’ll beat you unmercifully all day and call you names until you say uncle and finally admit that the Mets are not just our MLB competitor…they are the embodiment of all that is evil in baseball. Do I really need a smiley face here?

    Also, venerable and esteemed Bob, Journalist, Will Rogers would be on my short list. Very short list.

    Gil Cool Hand Luke is one of my all time favorite movies. Classic film. Lot’s of quotable quotes there.

    When Luke won a poker game on a bluff, he said, “Yeah, well, sometimes nothin’ can be a real cool hand”.

    Like the Lady sez: let those who cast the first baseball…or something like that.


  319. 325 mrgil February 2, 2008 at 11:06 am

    Of course, I am sure there are some guys flying below the radar. 🙂 The list will ebb and flow as the season progresses. I think it is often in the eye of the beholder as to who is good and who is not. That is why major league teams employ cross checkers to make sure they don’t overlook anyone.

    Great observation by Syd Thrift was that it was the best scouts who could spot talent early. By the time a kid reached his potential, everyone knew about him. the best bird dogs find the prospects no one else sees. That is what hurt the Nationals when their Dominican operation was shut down by MLB in the name of economy.

    I am still waiting for some team to set up shop in China. You cannot tell me that in a country that big, there isn’t at least one major league pitcher waiting to be found… 🙂


  320. 326 mrgil February 2, 2008 at 11:08 am

    Yep… I can eat fifty eggs… Well, maybe not but until the picnic, no one will know… 🙂


  321. 327 Carolina Lady February 2, 2008 at 11:10 am

    Does China play baseball? Fascinating thought there, Gil! Hmmmm.


  322. 328 mrgil February 2, 2008 at 11:13 am

    It is a fledgling sport there. But if you look at the success the Japanese have had and the South Koreans, it just makes sense. I have no idea of what the most popular sport in China may be but they seem to excel at whatever they set their mind to.


  323. 329 mrgil February 2, 2008 at 11:22 am

    Back in the fifties the Soviets did a lot of studies on the physical make up of their weight lifters. They found that those who had a tendon insertion point distal to others even by a few millimeters had a much greater potential for lifting because of better leverage. It was much more important than bulk. They would seek kids out and put them into sports where they could excel.

    That could be a good explanation of why guys like Hudson can throw a 94 mph fastball. Of course some never reach their potential because they are lazy. Some never had the potential to begin with. Anatomy was against them.

    I love the guitar but can’t play worth a darn… My fingers are too short. That and the fact I cut my left hand pretty badly when I was twelve. But to be honest, I just never had the potential.


  324. 330 Carolina Lady February 2, 2008 at 11:23 am

    I can’t even imagine how the Chinese gov’t would handle baseball, international scouting, etc. 😆


  325. 331 mrgil February 2, 2008 at 11:23 am

    Okay, the Boss says it is time to get to work… Catch up with ya’ll later….


  326. 332 mrgil February 2, 2008 at 11:25 am

    CL… If they (The Chinese) thought it would gain them some advantage, they would make it happen…. they did play in the World Baseball Classic….


  327. 333 savannahguy February 2, 2008 at 11:34 am

    Chinese baseball. Makes sense. By simple law of average and sheer population numbers there’s bound to be at least two or five Cy Young talents over there.

    Si Yung?


  328. 334 chrisklob February 2, 2008 at 11:37 am

    Welcome Flange!


  329. 335 flange1 February 2, 2008 at 11:45 am

    Thanks Klobber! Look forward to bellying up to your bar from time to time!


  330. 336 nacly February 2, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    Si Yung…funny! 😆 Pronounced the same?


  331. 337 savannahguy February 2, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    On This Day in History

    1876 – The National League of Professional Base Ball Clubs was formed in NY.

    1900 – Six U.S. cities, Boston, Detroit, Milwaukee, Baltimore, Chicago, and St. Louis, agreed to form baseball’s American League.

    1949 – Golfer Ben Hogan was seriously injured in an auto accident in Texas.

    1967 – The American Basketball Association was formed by representatives of the NBA.

    2003 – Dany Heatly (Atlanta Thrashers) became the fifth player to score four goals in the NHL’s All-Star game.

    Famous Birthdays

    James Joyce 1882
    Ayn Rand 1905
    James Dickey 1923

    Poem of the Month
    (On Christy Mathewson)

    Lineup for Yesterday
    M is for Matty,
    Who carried a charm
    In the form of an extra
    brain in his arm.

    Ogden Nash, Sport magazine (January 1949)


  332. 338 nacly February 2, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    Hey, flange,! Belated welcome; thought I’d done so earlier! Maybe I did and don’t remember, but that’s a topic I’d as soon forget…and therein lies the problem! 🙂


  333. 339 nacly February 2, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    That last post is what I typed. There are gremlins on this blog, and they’re unwelcome! 😦


  334. 340 jerseygil February 2, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    Carolina lady…..China has a baseball team in the olimpic, also taipei also in the olimpic, They have the same case of Puerto rico they play separate of the USA, because they have his Olimpic Team. But in China baseball and basketball are the two sport and in the future look for Vietnam enter in the competition of Baseball.
    The CBL was create in 2002 is a profesional Baseball , in 2007 they start a relationship with japan profesional baseball, the agreement with japan permit Japan to send coaches and player to china.To those thay speak chinese or cantunes, is a web side cbl.com.


  335. 341 jerseygil February 2, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    Seatle mariner Catcher wang wei is from that League


  336. 342 nacly February 2, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    ‘Not’ what I typed! I give up! Time to stick a fork in it!


  337. 343 Carolina Lady February 2, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    😆 Salty, you messed up the html. I fixed it for you…. I think… You’re welcome! 😆

    I agree that I do not like the “server maintenance updates” that seem to occur much too frequently! Liked it better the other way ; absolutely no problems before!

    JGil, thanks for the info! Somehow, I just never thought of baseball in China. They could surely be a force if they wanted. No lack of talent pool, but who there is experienced/trained to spot and evaluate talent?? Fascinating potential!


  338. 344 flange1 February 2, 2008 at 12:22 pm

    Thanks Salty!


  339. 345 savannahguy February 2, 2008 at 12:25 pm

    thought I’d done so earlier! Maybe I did and don’t remember, but that’s a topic I’d as soon forget…and therein lies the problem!

    Salty, this may help. You can call these guys. This is the transcript of the new answering service recently installed at the Memory Loss and Mental Health Institute.

    Hello and welcome to the Mental Health Hotline.
    – If you are obsessive-compulsive: Press 1 repeatedly.
    – If you are co-dependent: Ask someone to press 2 for you.
    – If you have multiple personalities: Press 3, 4, 5 and 6.
    – If you are paranoid: We know who you are and what you want. Stay on the line so we can trace your call.
    – If you are delusional: Press 7 and your call will be transferred to the mother ship.
    – If you are schizophrenic: Listen carefully and a small voice will tell you which number to press.
    – If you are manic-depressive: It doesn’t matter what number you press – no-one will answer.
    – If you are dyslexic: Press 969696969696969696.
    – If you have a nervous disorder: Please fidget with the hash key until a representative comes on the line.
    – If you have amnesia: Press 8 and state your name, address, phone number, date of birth, social security number, and your mother’s maiden name.
    – If you have short-term memory loss: Press 9.
    – If you have short-term memory loss: Press 9.
    – If you have short-term memory loss: Press 9.
    – If you have short-term memory loss: Press 9.
    – If you have low self-esteem: Please hang up. Our operators are too busy to talk to you.


  340. 346 chrisklob February 2, 2008 at 12:25 pm

    Flange, you’re welcome at my bar anytime. I’ll save a spot for you!


  341. 347 williamwallace February 2, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    Someday over the next 50 to 100 years, Baseballl will have an Asian division and a Latin America division. I’m kind of shocked it hasn’t already happened.

    If Wal Mart can have hundreds of stores in China, baseball can at least have a handful of teams.

    Just like baseball, basketball, and football did perhaps more for race relations in this country than anyone else, someday a unified worldwide baseball and basketball league will do more for worldwide peace than any President ever will.

    Or at least that is my hope.


  342. 348 Carolina Lady February 2, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    Flange and JGil, the instructions for smiley faces, bold, etc are on the TEXT EFFECTS page. All the special pages are always listed below the signature of the blog lead. Sorry I forgot to mention that earlier. 🙂 They ARE case sensitive and you need to leave at least one space before and after the smiley commands.


  343. 349 williamwallace February 2, 2008 at 12:29 pm

    The server maintenance problems are like when you take your car to the shop to put in some new tires and then over the next few months everything goes wrong with your car and you swear that the mechanic did something the first time around to make you keep coming back.


  344. 351 berigan2electricboogaloo February 2, 2008 at 12:33 pm

    jerseygil ,
    I saw the story on CBS as well, about the Soldier with the skin Cancer who didn’t get the proper treatment, (or even a proper diagnosis?) very sad indeed. He was so strong and healthy at one time. I think the bad doctor stateside knew it was Cancer? He didn’t put the info in his folder that went to Iraq. but, people can’t sue Miltary doctors I believe? Sounds like BS to me, I think there are too many lawsuits, but if a doctor knows you have Cancer, and doesn’t bother to pass that info to you, or others that will have access to your medical records, that doctor needs to lose his medical licence….and go to jail….


  345. 352 williamwallace February 2, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    Here is a weird but kinda cool story from yesterday by Alan Schwarz of the New York Times:

    While the pending trade of Johan Santana to the Mets has shaken up Major League Baseball, a relatively unknown, submarine-throwing farmhand who might never reach the big leagues has also spent the week rattling his sport’s economics.

    Randy Newsom, a reliever last season for the Cleveland Indians’ Class A and AA affiliates, set up a Web site through which fans and other outsiders could purchase a piece of his future major league earnings. Through Thursday, Newsom had sold about 1,800 shares of himself at $20 apiece. Each share afforded the bearer .002 percent of his career pay, uniting his goals with investors who hope he makes it big.

    Dozens of minor leaguers had expressed interest in also going public through Newsom’s new company, Real Sports Investments, he said. Unfortunately for Newsom, however, his plan did not exactly thrill M.L.B., the players union or the Securities and Exchange Commission.

    Offerings shopped over the Internet must be registered with the S.E.C., and Newsom’s was not. After speaking with a lawyer for M.L.B. on Thursday afternoon, Newsom decided to table his idea to work with authorities on a venture they would approve and perhaps even support.

    “We want to pause to hear everyone’s concerns,” Newsom said, adding that he would refund $36,000 to his hundreds of investors. “This idea is not going away. This is assured by the amount of fan support, and the amount of players we talked to, that the support is there. The spirit of this idea will go on.”

    That idea, Newsom said, was to supplement minor leaguers’ meager wages — usually about $8,000 for a five-month season — while building a unique bond among fans and players.

    “People get up and look at their players’ stats every day, and root for them as they go through the minor leagues,” said Newsom, who is considered only a marginal major league prospect because of his below-average fastball. “This can be the same type of thing, where fans have a tiny vested interest in hoping a guy does well.”

    Converting future earnings into upfront revenue is not new in business or sports; David Bowie has sold his royalty rights in the form of offshore bonds, and young golfers are often backed by speculative businessmen. Here, rather than collect inanimate rookie cards, fans would invest in tiny pieces of real farmhands.

    Under the tabled plan, whereby he would have sold off 5 percent of any future major league income, Newsom would have needed to earn about $2 million for his shareholders to break even. That would have required a career of at least three full seasons, which for a player of Newsom’s caliber — he called himself the “quintessential antiprospect” — is unlikely.

    The average major league career lasts between four and five seasons and the average salary stands at $2.8 million. But those figures are boosted by the small minority of players who play seven-plus years and score eight- or nine-figure contracts. Most earn around $450,000 a year for a few seasons — when they are among the 10 percent of minor league hopefuls who reach the big leagues even for one day.

    Then again, under Newsom’s structure, a $100 investment in Mike Piazza when he was a lowly Dodgers farmhand in 1990 would have ultimately been worth about $6,000.

    “If you’re looking at this solely as an investment opportunity, then we’re probably not the place for you,” Newsom said. “We want to add to the spectating experience for fans, and at the same time do something good for the players.”

    Newsom’s plan, first reported by Baseball Prospectus and picked up by several other Web sites, caused a stir among club executives. A minor league player’s selling a piece of future earnings probably runs afoul of major league guidelines designed to insulate players from gamblers, as well as union rules regarding payments to and from agents.

    Officials at M.L.B. and the union would say only that they were aware of Newsom’s idea and were discussing its ramifications.

    If nothing else, Newsom’s venture highlights minor leaguers’ hidden financial hardships. Their annual salaries must cover housing, meals, clubhouse dues and more, leaving many minor leaguers — some of whom support families — sharing two-bedroom apartments with three or four teammates. Jon Searles, a pitcher in the San Diego Padres system last season, joked that a trip to Quiznos was “living large.”

    Searles said he loved Newsom’s plan from a player and fan standpoint. But Searles, who also happens to have an economics degree from the University of Pennsylvania’s Wharton School, had some concerns about whether Newsom could attract blue-chip, profitable prospects to participate.

    “Don’t get me wrong — $50,000 can be everything to a player in the minor leagues,” Searles said. “But the risk of them committing 5 percent in perpetuity for a quick $50,000, there’s a break-even point where only players who aren’t characterized as prospects might do it. And rational investors will assess those percentages.”

    Newsom has heard the doubters and insisted his well-meaning idea is only emerging from its cocoon. He has been a little distracted, too — he has also been studying for his Law School Admission Test on Saturday.

    “I’m hoping I don’t have to go to law school until I finish my career at 40 or 42,” Newsom said with a laugh. “We’ll see.”


  346. 353 berigan2electricboogaloo February 2, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    One thing I do to see the TEXT EFFECTS page without going to the link way up the page over and over, is just right click on the link(Don’t know what you silly MAC users would do) and open in another browser window. Then I can go back and forth from this page, to that one, without losing this page. IS that clear as mud???
    Or you can do like flbravesgirl does and print out the page. I know Lew loves, just loves the smilies! :mrgreen: 😆 😕 🙂 😉 :p 😦 <——Smilies I remember off the top of me head….


  347. 354 berigan2electricboogaloo February 2, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    Greetings Flange!!! Start talkin’ baseball already! 🙂


  348. 355 jerseygil February 2, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    Berigan…in deep, Military can’t sue the Fed Government, that was the keep of the Report, they want that congress change the Law, there family of this Marine is in the crusade to aware people about it.
    Few year ago i read an article about Doctor in the VA Hospital, much of then are not citizen, they coming to this country to practice and use ours veteran of gnny pig, and then leave and going to her,his country. IT ALL POLITIC,(including ours Vet)


  349. 356 berigan2electricboogaloo February 2, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    Lew, I don’t recall saying you specifically had a bad memory from smokin’ pot, just that pot smoking’ in general causes memory problems.(but perhaps I forgot, or pot smoking creates false memories! 😉 ) I am sure that your memory is fine. Doesn’t mean pot smoking doesn’t effect memory.
    Just because cigarette smokers such as Eubie Blake lived to be 96 Or Hal Roach to 100(Stopped smoking in his mid 90’s actually) I don’t think anyone short of a phillip-Morris hack would say smoking cigarettes is good for you!

    Besides, I think you need to smoke pot, otherwise, you wouldn’t be the cuddly fellow you are today! 😆


  350. 357 mrgil February 2, 2008 at 1:02 pm

    williamwallace… Not as far fetched at it might seem. I know race car drivers do it all the time. Not everyone in NASCAR is backed. Look at what the Packers have done. Sure is one way to make sure you don’t lose your franchise.

    Only problem MLB has with it is they don’t get a cut. Sort of like the NFL saying that churches cannot host Superbowl parties…. Sounds pretty dumb to me for the NFL to take that stance.


  351. 358 mrgil February 2, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    I still think Leno was on the money when he suggested that the folks who put the medical marijuana vending machines in place in California put in a snack machine beside it….. Sounds like a gold mine to me….


  352. 359 savannahguy February 2, 2008 at 1:06 pm

    Braveheart, maybe Randy Newsom will decide to sell body parts for different prices. Ears, $800 each or $1500 for the pair. Fingers, $10k each. Elbow, $50k, Shoulder, $75k and so on. That way, investors can pull for the whole player and also part of the player.

    What would happen if an investor pulled his finger? Perish the thought. Not pretty.

    A certain journalist may be interested in purchasing other digits. They should be expensive because they are important. They have to be planted on the rubber afterall.


  353. 360 Carolina Lady February 2, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    Something else that doesn’t make sense:

    is ‘investigating’ one church whose pastor advocated a certain political stance and urged his congregation to vote a certain way. IRS was an active participant, threatened to rescind the tax-exempt status of any church that got involved politically.

    2008: Obama’s “Faith Days” campaign through South Carolina. Using pulpits to promote himself, his campaign and his election. Targeting one segment of the population only, ignoring the others. Without impunity. He won the state.

    What’s wrong with this picture??? 😕


  354. 361 Carolina Lady February 2, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    Don’t let me get on my soapbox on this stuff! I’ll be banned from my own blog! 😆 !!!


  355. 362 savannahguy February 2, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    CL, it’s just another example of the great double standard today involving religion and politics, race and gender.

    Wesley Snipes just got his hand slapped for not paying taxes for 6 years. He was a conscientious objector to tax payments. Wonder what would happen if we tried that? An IRS slap on wrist? Right…

    Actually, maybe this was not such a good example of double standard. Politicians and Vampires do have a lot in common.


  356. 363 savannahguy February 2, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    Whither Bob, Journalist? Hot tub? Wet keyboard? Cheese soup lunch?


  357. 364 Carolina Lady February 2, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    I have consciously objected to paying taxes all my life, but it sure hasn’t done me any good! 🙂 I was audited for something like 5 years in a row; they wound up having to pay me more each time when more deductions that had been missed were found. Haven’t heard from them since. 😆


  358. 365 Carolina Lady February 2, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    Don’t know where Bob is; think jimmy smith is out looking for blue worms. Lew is probably finishing up the next blog lead since he’s kindly volunteered to pinch-hit for me. hk is making graphs, FBG is baking, Chris is checking the still, Grinch is…. won’t even guess! Hillbilly is AWOL. 😆


  359. 366 savannahguy February 2, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    Jersey Gil, all American Vets, particularly those that served in conflicts overseas that were placed in harms way, deserve free, quality medical care for themselves and their immediate families for the rest of their lives. Period.

    I’m NOT talking socialized medicine, I’m talking about reallocating funds that are already available to protect and care for those that have protected of all of us.


  360. 367 savannahguy February 2, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    Grinch is at the gym. Lew is painting a masterpiece while rocking out on Zepp.

    Mrs. Guy is writing a honey-do list. Her pencil does not have an eraser.


  361. 368 mrgil February 2, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    People forget from where the foundation of out country sprang forth. Or maybe they didn’t… After all, Patrick Henry gave his famous oratory in St Johns church. Ministers of all faiths have used the pulpit to press forward their own ideas. After all, it is religion that provides the moral compass for our great republic.

    Now, having said that, one cannot allow charlatans to hide behind the mask of religion to the detriment of the public good. It is a bit like the government hiding behind the mask of sovereign immunity. It is not impossible to sue the government, just daggone hard to do. Like everything else, if someone feels they cannot be held accountable, they tend to get pretty slack.


  362. 369 mrgil February 2, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    And yes, I agree that veterans should get the same health care that is alloted to Congress, and vice versa……


  363. 370 mrgil February 2, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    Did I ever tell you folks about the time I mooned an IRS auditor? Was not a wise decision on my part….. but worth it….. I was trying to make a point….


  364. 371 mrgil February 2, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    Now that I think about it, I guess I did have a problem with authority… 🙂


  365. 372 Carolina Lady February 2, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    You’re right, Gil. The whole thing was set up as a system of balances and checks. But that has now been corrupted by greed and power. The country is a shell of itself, I’m so terribly sad to say.

    But, even then, it must be pretty good since everybody else wants to come here. Why not!! Free everything. Except to the average taxpayer. I welcome people who want to come here legally, become citizens, learn the language and become part of the red-white-and-blue fabric of our land. Others? Nope. They have no desire to contribute anything, but have come to take. They should put that energy into building their own countries.

    Ohhhh, here I go again……Somebody, PLEASE come take this soapbox away from me!!!!!!!!!! Please!!!


  366. 373 williamwallace February 2, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    Give North Korea a major league team. That will calm those people and that psycho dictator down. Will earn Bud Selig the Nobel Peace Prize Jimmy Carter didn’t deserve. Sorry about that Ms. Rosalynn.


  367. 374 Carolina Lady February 2, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    Checked the stats page – somebody is looking for us. They Googled “”braveheart” “lew” “carolina lady” “. 😆


  368. 375 mrgil February 2, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    CL… Espouse all you want… It’s your blog… 🙂 Everyone needs some place to vent, otherwise we would all need Prozac…


  369. 376 Carolina Lady February 2, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    Gil, I guess my problem is that I still believe in honesty, integrity, honoring one’s word, a high moral code and ethics. Not easily found in this present world. Greatly disappointing. And sad.


  370. 377 williamwallace February 2, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    I guess your perspective depends largely upon your experiences in life. I grew up in a neighborhood that was seemingly half filled with illegal aliens from Ireland. Every night, a new handful of people right off the boat would show up at the dozens of bars in my Irish neighborhood, suitcase in hand, looking for work and a place to stay.

    All they did was work all day doing grunt labor, go to the bar and drink all night, flirt with women, get into a fistfight – usually because they were flirting with women, and get up at the crack of dawn, usually on 3 hours of sleep and work all day again the next day. Many of the illegal aliens I have known – Irish, Mexican, Dominican, Columbian, Italian, whatever – are the same exact way. There are the few bad apples who ruin it for the rest and take advantage of the system. But the great majority of them are chasing the American dream of better jobs for the adults and better education for their children.

    When you would ask the illegal Irish aliens why they were there, almost every single one of them would say because I was tired of my countrymen being treated like the n**ggers of Europe. Sorry for the use of that word but that was the exact word almost every single one of them would use to talk about their experience living in Ireland …… and they loved America …… not for our benefits or entitlements ….. but for our dreams, jobs, education, opportunities


  371. 378 Carolina Lady February 2, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    I’m way behind in news so y’all probably already know this:


    CBSSports.com wire reports

    FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — The woman who was killed when former World Series star Jim Leyritz crashed his SUV into her car had a blood-alcohol level more than twice the legal limit.

    According to a toxicology report released Friday, 30-year-old Fredia Ann Veitch had a blood-alcohol level of 0.18. Florida’s legal limit is 0.08. Leyritz’s blood-alcohol content three hours after the crash was 0.14 percent.

    Leyritz, 44, pleaded not guilty Thursday to a recently added charge of DUI manslaughter by unlawful blood-alcohol levels. He previously pleaded not guilty to a charge of DUI manslaughter with impairment in Veitch’s death. Leyritz faces 15 years in prison if convicted.

    “It doesn’t affect the cause of the crash because he ran a red light,” Assistant State Attorney Stefanie Newman said.

    Leyritz’s attorney, Mike Dutko, said the information could change the way the prosecution proceeds.

    “Pre-crash conditions and circumstances become terribly, terribly relevant,” Dutko said. “There’s a lot that needs to be investigated, analyzed and evaluated here.”

    Police said Leyritz drove his sport utility vehicle through a red light Dec. 28 in Fort Lauderdale and crashed into Veitch’s car.

    Leyritz was ordered Thursday to take daily breath tests while he awaits trial on DUI manslaughter charges.

    He played for six major league teams and was last in the majors in 2000, ending his 11-year career. In 1996, he homered for the New York Yankees in Game 4 of the World Series against Atlanta. The homer made it 6-6, and the Yankees won in 10 innings. New York took the series in six games for its first title in 18 years.


  372. 379 TheSouthernJackAss... February 2, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    A mockingbird is capable of replicating the sounds of many other species…singing various songs–but when it finally grows tired and closes it’s eyes in sleep…it is still but a mockingbird…


  373. 380 journalist jimmy smith February 2, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    journalist has not been out with the blue werms. jimmy smith has been to the fresh market bakery for pie. a delicious peach pie was selected. and ice cream. also, some apple dumplings.

    let the game begin.

    next, jimmy smith went to target and was surprised to find a nice mr. potato head display there. and this thought came to jimmy smith: the perfect avatar for lew! 😆

    and blog harmony is no longer an issue. this blog and its bloggers are and have been in harmony. and jimmy smith does not go elsewhere to blog or create dissension.

    jimmy smith thinks for jimmy smith and for no one else and no one else will think for jimmy smith. that is said so that there can be no misunderstanding.

    few realize how long jimmy smith had been blogging over there. early bloggers included sja, carroll, rr, bbfan, letwan anthony, chop chop, bravesfan, and more that have since departed. call jimmy smith an almost charter member. jimmy smith can remember the first posts of bob (not then a journalist), carolina lady, grinch, savannah, and others. in fact, jimmy smith asked bob to explain to jimmy smith what bob was talking about (big mistake). oh, the humanity!

    so, journalist has some standing to discuss whatever journalist chooses with or without being subjected to maturity ratings and with or without the approval of those who may disagree. sounds cranky a bit, huh? journalist will now go try an apple dumpling for purposes of soothing this journalist’s feelings. also, quite tasty.

    and now, part chinese baseball players of note. derrick lee, mike lum, lou pinella and tom glavine.


  374. 381 journalist jimmy smith February 2, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    also petco park. forgot petco park.


  375. 382 journalist jimmy smith February 2, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    jackass sighting!


  376. 383 journalist jimmy smith February 2, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    carolina lady, should a president of the united states have ankles? is this a prerequisite? once had a senator with no ankles. not sure about a president.


  377. 384 journalist jimmy smith February 2, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    going for 5 in a row. journalist on a role.


  378. 385 journalist jimmy smith February 2, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    it is true! journalist is too controversial and immature! leaving blogging forever.


  379. 386 TheSouthernJackAss... February 2, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    TheSouthernJackAss wishes to acknowledge the ‘presence’ of our esteemed journalist, and to say hello…long time, no blog…no pie…

    TheJackAss would also like to say that TheJackAss left that other blog…under his own terms…in protest of the loutish treatment (by many) of my friend Journalist Bob…right or wrong, TheSouthernJackAss had firm and strong convictions concerning said loutish treatment…those convictions are just as firm and strong today as they were at that unfortunate time…TheJackAss was once kicked in the ribs by a horse…TheJackAss forgave that ignorant steed…but TheJackAss did not forget that you do not stand behind that horse…see you in the spring…


  380. 387 williamwallace February 2, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    Since I brought up my neighborhood, here is an old article about John McCain’s visit to my old neighborhood and his promises to the illegal aliens in that neighborhood. It may or may not be one of the reasons you either vote or don’t vote for him. For me, it is a reason I can tolerate him if he is the choice for President.

    Senator John McCain, who has hopes of running for US president in 2008,
    promised full legal status for tens of thousands of illegal Irish at a town
    hall meeting in the Irish neighbourhood of Woodlawn, New York, this

    There are an estimated 50,000 Irish illegal immigrants in the U.S.; 30,000 of them are thought to live in New York City. Today, this tiny corner in the northern reaches of the Bronx is perhaps the most heavily Irish-born neighborhood in New York, and advocates believe that as many as 40% of local immigrants are undocumented.

    To the strain of “We’re all part of Jackie’s Army”, the unlikely anthem of
    the Irish Lobby for Immigration Reform, Mr McCain took the podium before an audience of hundreds of Tricolour and US-flag waving supporters in a
    neighbourhood that has seen many people return to Ireland because of post 9/11 immigration clampdowns.

    While the line “We’re all off to Italy” from Ireland’s 1990 World Cup song
    Put ‘Em Under Pressure may seem inappropriate for immigrants determined to stay in the US, Mr McCain took it in good spirits, nodding his head in
    approval as the “Olé, Olé, Olé” chorus kicked in.

    Mr McCain, along with Senator Edward Kennedy, is sponsoring the so-called
    “McCain-Kennedy” immigration reform Bill in the US Senate. This contains
    provisions for a guest-worker programme and a way for those living in the US illegally to work toward citizenship.

    Interviewed on the This Week programme on RTÉ Radio yesterday, he said there was a “very significant” Irish influence on the campaign to grant legal
    status to illegal immigrants in the US. He said he did not know how long the
    legislative battle over the issue would take.

    Hundreds of people, many of them wearing “Legalize The Irish” T-shirts,
    crammed into the St Barnabas School’s auditorium on the Bronx-Yonkers border for his weekend speech while dozens more listened on speakers set up outside the hall.

    To laughter from the audience, the senator repeatedly had to ask bar owner and Irish Lobby for Immigration Reform deputy chairman, Ciarán Staunton, to translate some of the audience questions into American English.

    In answer to one question, he said he didn’t know why Congressman Peter
    King, a close ally of Sinn Féin president Gerry Adams, was co-sponsoring a
    Bill that would make illegal immigration an aggravated felony crime.

    To loud applause from the audience, he said Mr King needed a “better
    education” from the Irish community on the realities of undocumented

    Asked about President Bush’s credibility on immigration issues by Irish
    woman Mags O’Brien from Stanford, Connecticut, Mr McCain said the president had a lot of experience on illegal immigration issues as Governor of Texas and viewed immigration reform positively.

    A woman who identified herself only as Siobhán, asked Mr McCain how he felt about a possible presidential run by Congressman Tom Tancredo, who is strongly anti-immigrant.

    “Come on in,” Mr McCain said, addressing Congressman Tancredo directly, “the water’s fine”.

    On his own possible run for the presidency in 2008, Mr McCain joked that the only members of Congress that were ever ruled out of a presidential run were either incapacitated or in detox.


  381. 388 flbravesgirl February 2, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    Actually I’ve been gardening, CL. And shortly I’ll be watching skating. On weekends I’m not on the computer much during the day. I’ll check back in with y’all tonight.


  382. 389 nacly February 2, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    CL, your post:
    Gil, I guess my problem is that I still believe in honesty, integrity, honoring one’s word, a high moral code and ethics.

    Ma’am, that is not a problem, but that which all should strive for.


  383. 390 Carolina Lady February 2, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    ww, I guess my concern regards the nearly 100 US hospitals that have been bankrupted and doors closed because of the high cost of free medical treatment for illegals who do not pay. Also, Parkland Hospital in Dallas, which has the largest maternity ward in the US, where a baby of an illegal is born an average of every 48 seconds 24/7/365 – for free. Multiple generations made that a practice.

    Also, for the school systems, already strapped for cash, are required to provide Spanish-speaking translators in every room because the kids haven’t learned English. And all text books translated to Spanish. And demands that everything be provided in Spanish. Because they don’t want to learn the language.

    Also, the extremely high rate of Social Security fraud from stolen SS numbers, high-profile brutal Mexican gangs taking hold in many cities in the US, increases in cases of diseases such as TB being brought in by illegals.

    Also, our southern border. Chavez and others like him are cozy with certain Arab terrorist groups and others who hate the US. Chavez has sworn to do everything he possibly can to “bring down the US” and he uses every penny he gets from the sale of CitGo (which he owns) gas in the US towards that goal. With Mexican transports now free to cross the border and go anywhere in the US, terrorists have an easy path toward any target of their choice.

    The overall cost to the US taxpayer is astronomical when free medical care, free education, food stamps, welfare, Aid to Mothers and Children, and all the other social programs these people latch onto and drain.

    Those are some of the reasons I am against ILLEGAL immigration. Note, that is ILLEGAL immigration.


  384. 391 Carolina Lady February 2, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    Crickets again. Have I offended everybody in the universe?? 🙂


  385. 392 Carolina Lady February 2, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    How ’bout them Braves?? 😆


  386. 393 mrgil February 2, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    Just went out for lunch….


  387. 394 williamwallace February 2, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    CL, I understand. And I’m not trying to fight with you at all. Just providing a different perspective based upon my own experiences.

    The Irish illegal aliens are less of a problem because (1) they can speak English; (2) They generally move into communities that they pump their money into; (3) Their parents generally pay for them to go to the local Catholic school of the type where Mr. McCain gave his speech and any parent that sends their child to public school is looked down upon; (4) They significantly contribute to the financial welfare of the local church; (5) They work jobs in that community that the first, second, and third generation Irish Americans in that neighborhood have no interest in doing.

    For example, in the early 1990s in my neighborhood, after Rudy Guiliani and previous mayors had aggressively altered the landscape of Manhattan neighborhoods to Disney them up and make them more attractive to tourists and property investors, there was an explosion in the number of illegal aliens flocking to my neighborhood because Guiliani had eliminated the old neighborhoods.

    This could have been seen as bad but it was great for my neighborhood because there was a total revitalization of the neighborhood with new bars, stores, restaurants opening up. Whatever the financial cost may have been to the individual taxpayer was offset by the newfound financial prosperity in the neighborhood. All apartments were occupied. New houses were erected and built. Old houses were bought and occupied.

    And they were not taking jobs from any first or second or third generation Irish Americans in the neighborhood because those of us who fell into that category were going to school and college and going down to Manhattan to work and were not interested in that sort of grunt labor the illegal alien was willing to do. Their willingness to do this work also made some first and second and third generation Irish Americans in the neighborhood very well off because they owned businesses as independent contractors where they could use the illegal Irish aliens to work and compete for bids and jobs against their competitors.

    So, I’m not trying to fight with you but people only tend to look at the cost of the illegal aliens and not the financial benefits of it which are often more than the cost.

    Anytime you hear about an American cry about an illegal alien taking their jobs, ask them why is that? Why, with all the educational opportunities available to you in this country, have you been so darn lazy that you have marginalized yourself to the point that an illegal alien who can’t speak English an take a job away from you? That sounds like a you problem I tell them, not an illegal alien problem.


  388. 395 morpheus45 February 2, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    Oh, the humanity! Politics! I’ll come back later! 🙂


  389. 396 savannahguy February 2, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    Break from honey-do. Where are the bees when you need’em.

    Southern Jackass has made an appearance. Has been bird watching? Horse watching too? Bruised ribs? Must have been a hard kick and a broken rib to stay away so long. Only hurts when typing. Have some ice cream and blackberry cobbler. Universal healer.

    Braveheart, Many Irish settled in Savannah. Many good Irish jokes sprang from that. Learned them all from my Irish friends. Personally, I love ethnic hmor as long as it’s respectable. Way too much PC out there nowadays. If we each can’t laugh at ourselves, we miss out on the humor of our differences.

    Anyway, John McCain could only be, at the very most, merely tolerated. Four years of him and we’d a one party system of government…a large government at that. Maybe bring back the Whigs. Won’t go into it here on the Braves and Stuff, but you can always tell when he’s lying…he looks you in the eye. That’s opposite of most who lie. Besides, those shoulder pads and upturned “victory” thumbs and crazed smile and rocking on tip toes would get old after about 10 seconds. Being a war “hero”, as he touts himself, does not make you an automatic fit for leading the nation.

    Now, off of politics and onto movie classics discussion. Manchurian Candidate. Life imitates art? Oh, the humanity!

    Best get back to work now lest I get my knuckles rapped.


  390. 397 nacly February 2, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    CL…it’s not raining…sun’s out…almost warm. Mother Nature called; you’ve offended no one! Besides, you and I’ve already traded ‘vents’ off-line. Disclosure to all, with a nod to Gil, we agree in principle, so we could disagree on details. That process refines both our views of the big picture so it can be properly tackled! How’s that synopsis, CL? 🙂

    WW…your words so echo the complexity and simplicity of the issue. There’s scarcely a one of us willing to ‘toss the baby with the bathwater’ in calling out illegal immigrants. For the most part, it’s not to this country’s advantage to do so. Heck, one could make the case that there are no illegals, since so many are here with a ‘wink and a nod’. The burning question in my view is, how to resolutely legalize Emma Lazarus’ welcoming poem:

    “Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

    It’s ‘we’ who have to decide to elect those who will, not merely gripe about their failures to do so. See, CL, there’s more than room enough on this soapbox, no?


  391. 398 savannahguy February 2, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    Illegal immigration to me is not really about economics or taking jobs…it’s just breaking the law and breaking into line. America needs and wants immigrants, particularly the ones that come here and are willing to do the labor that we are either too proud or lazy or overqualified to do. We also need immigrants to come and do the scientific or engineering work that we need.

    Then, as immigrants meld into society, become citizens and get themselves educated, they too can reach for the stars in this free enterprise system.

    Mostly it’s about national security. So many want to do us harm. We must screen who arrives.

    Besides, just look what illegal immigration did to the American Indian.



  392. 399 williamwallace February 2, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    Alright, yeah, I’ll stop the political crap. I blame CL for that. 🙂

    Savannah, I agree with you about the ethnic humor. Growing up in New York, with people of every nationality in one little area, we all told extremely racist jokes to each other’s faces and everyone would just laugh about it and rarely get offended.

    John Rocker was someone who I think made the mistake of taking that kind of stupid lockerroom humor out to a reporter looking to prey upon him. What Rocker said is nothing that almost every single New Yorker has not said to each other a million times. So, I never understood the uproar about it. Did anyone truly think he believed those things? Or was he just trying to be outrageous and funny like a lot of stupid young guys do? Just a bunch of media elitists during a slow news period looking to take advantage of a stupid kid and play off harmful stereotypes by portraying him as just another country rube redneck from Macon.

    I don’t think any New Yorker was offended by him. I know he had batteries and stuff thrown at him in Shea but that was just people acting like a bunch of barbarians with a pack mentality. It had almost nothing to do with being offended with what he actually said. Just a bunch of people trying to be clowns like Rocker was trying to be a clown.

    Believe me. If Rocker, even after making those comments, was at the top of his game and played for a New York team, they would have loved him and not cared one bit about his comments. The media would have cared but not the regular Joe who goes to the games – including all the “types” of people he remarked on.

    Alright, I am talking too much and not being much fun and am annoying people at this point.

    When is Lew’s post coming already?

    Have a good day.


  393. 400 mrgil February 2, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    I was going to post a long essay on this afternoon topic and deleted it. Grinch is right… Time to get back to baseball. Question, If Santana was so great, how come the Twinkies didn’t make the playoffs? Same reason the Mets won’t or different reason for them not to make it?


  394. 401 nacly February 2, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    Awww…just fillin’ some time ’til pitchers and catchers report…that’s all! :mrgreen:


  395. 402 mrgil February 2, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    And by the way, good to see you again SJA… Was worried you had joined another blog somewhere.

    Jimmy Smith must never take his wit and wisdom away for the B&S blog. We need someone around to make sure we all toe the line…. or tow the line… I forget which sometimes….


  396. 403 williamwallace February 2, 2008 at 4:46 pm

    Wow, Salty, you are often way too humble. That 4:21 was really profound.


  397. 404 nacly February 2, 2008 at 5:17 pm

    Gil…it’s tow the toe to the line! 🙂


  398. 405 nacly February 2, 2008 at 5:20 pm

    Aw, shucks, WW! 😳


  399. 406 lew614 February 2, 2008 at 6:34 pm

    Esteemed Journalist-This artist (as with most artists), has feelings too. Seems to me some have worn said feelings on their sleeves for quite some time. Way too damn much time for my tastes. If my continued fatigue with the airing of this subject is ruffling the feathers here, then the artist will know exactly what to do. Despite what Hair Covered Brick Walls THINK they know about the alteration of memories, The Artist remembers not only how to detect which way the wind blows, but is also well capable of remembering where the door is. It does, I believe, open both ways.


  400. 407 Carolina Lady February 2, 2008 at 7:16 pm

    Is there a full moon or something?? Ok – some of us have been drawing outside the lines again and we need to get ourselves back together. No more illegal immigrants. No more dredging up bad memories. Braves and stuff will do nicely. This lady is as guilty as anyone else and I apologize. Been bottled up too long with real-life life and death stuff and I came somewhat unglued today. My sincere apologies.

    Is there anything going on the baseball world today?? Anything at all??


  401. 408 mrgil February 2, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    Okay… let’s lighten the mood a bit, much talk of aliens on the blog today so I am going to watch “War of the Worlds” tonight. Is it anything like the comic book???? And is it not smart casting to have Tom Cruise as a star? Uh… does he play a Martian or Earthling? And what of My Favorite Martian? Was a cute show, almost as good as Mr. Ed… a favorite of SJA for sure.

    Okay, FBG will be along soon as the skating is over for the day.

    And all should be thankful, everyone made it through January. It’s all downhill from here until December. Did ya’ll know that January is the most depressing month of the year? February is the longest or just seems that way. Soon Lew will be flying Jet Blue to the Sunshine State. Let’s hope he does not get stranded in NY again.

    Looks like 25th of February is my target date for spring break. Hopefully Myrtle will be kind to us this year. There is a good B-B-Q joint in Conway… I will be taking the scenic route down 301. takes a bit longer but man, so much less stressful….


  402. 409 mrgil February 2, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    Hi CL…. Sean Casey signed a one year deal with the Red Sox to serve as a back up first baseman and DH/PH… He is a great player and one I wished the Braves had traded for a few years ago.

    He is really a super guy. Very friendly, great hitter. Not so much going for the long ball but puts the ball in play. he will do well in Boston. He played for University of Richmond and was a real force with a bat.


  403. 410 mrgil February 2, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    Let’s see… Santana signed with the Mets… but I guess you knew that.. 🙂


  404. 411 mrgil February 2, 2008 at 7:27 pm

    Community leaders have said they will have a baseball club playing in Richmond in 2009. Cannot say who, maybe an independent team. Who knows, beggars can’t be choosy.


  405. 412 mrgil February 2, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    Anyone else… feel free to jump in any time….


  406. 413 lew614 February 2, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    Gil-He plays a human with a little daughter. This version of WOTW is actually pretty decent. At least that’s what I remember. Some may not agree with me.


  407. 414 chrisklob February 2, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    Sorry, I got nothin’.


  408. 415 Carolina Lady February 2, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    Hey, Gil! Sorry to be away – Mother wanted to go to bed early – it’s been a real tough day for her.

    I always like Casey, too. Just seemed like a real nice guy from what I could tell.

    I loved the original “War of the Worlds” but haven’t seen the new version. Another favorite – “The Day the Earth Stood Still”. Good movies back then!


  409. 416 Carolina Lady February 2, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    Chris, another day like this one and I might become a drinkin’ lady!


  410. 417 mrgil February 2, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    Let’s see…. I bought a new/old or maybe that is an old/new computer. It is time to replace the 300 Mhz pentium II I have been using for Quicken. You know it is time to upgrade when the screen saver locks up.

    In other news…. naw, I got nothing….


  411. 418 chrisklob February 2, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    I’m sorry to hear that CL.


  412. 419 Carolina Lady February 2, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    Gil, that’s like that little Compaq (2nd hand) I had for so many years! 6 gb hard drive. Cell phones today have more than that! But it was a good little computer! Still got it.


  413. 420 mrgil February 2, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    CL… It’s the moon… Even the Ground Hog bit his own shadow today….


  414. 421 Carolina Lady February 2, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    Tim Hudson on Santana:
    “”He’s just one player,” Hudson said of Santana. “He pitches once every five days.”



  415. 422 Carolina Lady February 2, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    When Lew finishes the new lead, I’ll get it posted and we can start fresh! How do you spell relief?! 😆


  416. 423 mrgil February 2, 2008 at 7:44 pm

    I bought it at an auction for $25 three year ago. It has served it’s purpose. I never connected it to the internet as it has all my financial data on it. Not that it is all that much but people cannot steal what they cannot gain access to.

    I gave my oldest daughter on of my laptops today. She has managed to trash he two desk tops. he boy friend has download music files and imported a virus.


  417. 424 mrgil February 2, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    Okay, I am dropping letters so I will give it a rest. Catch up with everyone later…


  418. 425 Carolina Lady February 2, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    I bought this HP Pavilion several years ago and I love it. Kelly saved her money for more than a year and bought an Acer less than a year ago and it is a great machine. I have the old Compaq sitting in a blanket of dust – and that’s my entire electronics collection!


  419. 427 williamwallace February 2, 2008 at 7:51 pm

    Oh, I hope no hard feelings CL. We were just conversating. It’s not like I accused you of being on the corporate board of Wal-Mart while I was working the streets while you slung back that I worked with a crooked slumlord.

    Well, at least, we set a new blog record for comments – although I feel like I made 100 of them.

    I’m not a golf guy but I have always been confused by something. Why do golfers claim they need a week or two off because the “grind” is getting to them? What part am I missing? Is golfing 4 days a week that tiring? Then why do Smoltz, Glavine, and Maddux golf 4 days a week and only pitch on the one day they are not golfing?


  420. 428 jerseygil February 2, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    Well after good afternoon of shopping with my wife a good quality time with her…i back…
    Carolina Lady…yes…Santana is only one guy….i said before that the mets going down the first month of the season and necer recup…they play 11 games the first month with Phillis and braves.
    Next week is my wife birthday and i just give her a HP notebook, 2g..intelcore 2 duo, wide screen.


  421. 429 nacly February 2, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    Cause pitchin’s harder than golfin’? ❓


  422. 430 nacly February 2, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    I hope we’re not to the point of apologizing for topics…they can always be changed, or taken off line; just let me know. That said, no one was talking Braves, so we opted for ‘andstuff’! 🙂

    Personally, I like viewpoints, and prefer listening to talking. No sense pulling a bunch of ‘yes’ men into a room and expect sound decisions…just a group with tunnel-vision. The best part of this afternoon’s give and take was the respect, which is exactly the sanctuary of free expression that was sought.

    Moving on…


  423. 431 savannahguy February 2, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    If everyone is apologizing for illegal immigration rants and politics, then I’ll throw in and say sorry too. I don’t have any switches to beat myself with so I’ll figure out some other way to chastise myself or deny myself some earthly pleasure. Nah, just kidding. Salty’s right. ‘Twas all in good taste.

    Anyhoo, Gil, the new War of the Worlds is great. Special effects are great. The orginal WOTW was classic too in a less fx (comparatively) but original.No need to compare the two, they were both very good.

    Baseball news: Braves pitchers and catchers report in 12 days, 15 hours and 49 minutes.


  424. 432 Carolina Lady February 2, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    Hey, y’all. Yes, good give and take is interesting to most. ww, no apologies necessary! 🙂

    Golfing is harder. It’s all that walking back and forth to the cart…..



  425. 433 Carolina Lady February 2, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    JGil, your wife is a lucky lady! A great gift!! One of these days I’m going to have a notebook that I can take with me when doing genealogy research. My current notebook is spiral bound….


  426. 434 savannahguy February 2, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    I’ve been wanting to see Cloverfield. Maybe next week. Anybody seen it?

    Never have taken up golf. Lots of friends play, but I always figured between work, hunting and fishing, I’d have to quit work to have time.


  427. 435 Carolina Lady February 2, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    I know nothing about golf. Was a monumental failure at PuttPutt!


  428. 436 nacly February 2, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    The problem I have with golf is I hit the ball a long way…and my cart isn’t 4-wheel drive! 😦 When you get through climbing trees, rapelling cliffs, fording creeks, and dodging cars on the freeway 😕 , you get tired…then there’s still another 9 holes to play! Thank goodness for GPS!


  429. 437 nacly February 2, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    SG…I have your e-mail, and others. There’s more than one way to solve the world’s ills.

    Of course, if I was more a night owl, I could hang with you, Klobber, FBG, Grinch…then the 3rd shift crowd…Bob, J and Berigan!


  430. 438 savannahguy February 2, 2008 at 8:32 pm


    An Irishman was terribly overweight, so his doctor put him on a diet.

    “I want you to eat regularly for 2 days, then skip a day, and repeat this procedure for 2 weeks. The next time I see you, you should have lost at least 5 pounds.”

    When the Irishman returned, he shocked the doctor by having lost nearly 60 POUNDS! “Why, that’s amazing!” the doctor said,” Did you follow my instructions?”

    The Irishman nodded…”I’ll tell you though, by jaesuz, I t’aut I were going to drop dead dat 3rd day.”

    “From hunger, you mean? ” asked the Doctor.

    “No”, said the Irishman,” From all that skippin!!”


  431. 439 Carolina Lady February 2, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    Salty and SG, y’all have some funny stuff! 😆


  432. 440 savannahguy February 2, 2008 at 8:36 pm


    An Italian man wants a job, but the foreman won’t hire him until he passes a little math test.

    “Here’s your first question,” the foreman said.

    “Without using numbers, represent the number 9.” “Without numbers?” the
    Italian says, “Data easy.” and he proceeds to draw three trees.

    “What’s this?” the boss asks. “Ave you got no brain? Tree and tree and
    tree makea nine,” says the Italian.

    “Fair enough,” says the boss. “Here’s your second question. Use the same
    rules, but this time the number is 99.”

    The Italian stares into space for a while, then picks up the picture
    that he has just drawn and makes a smudge on each tree. “Ere you go.”

    The boss scratches his head and says, “How on earth do you get that to
    represent 99?”

    “Each of da trees isa dirty now. So, it’s dirty tree, and dirty tree,
    and dirty tree. Dat is 99.”

    The boss is getting worried that he’s going to actually have to hire
    this Italian, so he says, “All right, last question. Same rules again,
    but represent the number 100.”

    The Italian stares into space some more, then he picks up the picture
    again and makes a little mark at the base of each tree and says, “Ere
    you go. One hundred.”

    The boss looks at the attempt. “You must be nuts if you think that
    represents a hundred!” (You’re going to love this one!!!)

    The Italian leans forward and points to the marks at the base of each
    tree and says, “A little doga came along and crapa by eacha tree. So now
    you gota dirty tree and a turd, dirty tree and a turd, and dirty tree
    and a turd, data makea one hundred. So, when I’m a gonna start?”


  433. 441 Carolina Lady February 2, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    An interviewer started to ask Yogi Berra about his two hits from the previous night when Berra corrected him and said he had three hits.

    The interviewer apologized. “I checked the paper and the boxscore said you had two hits. The third must have been a typographical error.”

    “Hell, no,” Berra replied. “It was clean single to left.”


  434. 442 Carolina Lady February 2, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    A reporter wanted to know where Alex Johnson’s power surge came from.

    “Last year, you hit two homers and this year you have seven. What’s the difference?”

    “Five,” Johnson replied.


  435. 443 savannahguy February 2, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    A Greek and Italian were sitting in a Starbuck’s one day discussing who had
    the superior culture. Over triple lattes the Greek guy says,”Well, we have
    the Parthenon.”

    Arching his eyebrows, the Italian replies, “We have the Coliseum.”

    The Greek retorts, “We Greeks gave birth to advanced mathematics”

    The Italian, nodding agreement, says, “But we built the Roman Empire.”

    And so on and so on until the Greek comes up with what he thinks will end the
    discussion. With a flourish of finality he says, “We invented sex!”

    The Italian replies, “That is true, but the Italians introduced it to women.”


  436. 444 savannahguy February 2, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    better quit while I’m behind…


  437. 445 jerseygil February 2, 2008 at 8:44 pm

    Hey guys rumors is that the Mets going to sign another 40’s year old player Kenny Lofton to “Secure” the outfield spot. Pretty soon AARP has to visit the club house of the mets to give some chap..chap to this senior.


  438. 446 Carolina Lady February 2, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    Former manager Alvin Dark was asked to compare teams he managed over the years.
    “With the A’s we depended upon pitching and speed to win. With the Giants we depended upon pitching and power to win. With the Indians we depended upon an act of God.”


  439. 447 Carolina Lady February 2, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    I just feel good about the Braves this year. Not afraid of the Mets, need to keep an eye on the Phillies.

    JGil, things may get a little difficult….. 🙂


  440. 448 nacly February 2, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    Math, history, language…I’m back in school! I will not sit in the corner, though! Nope, them days is over!!!


  441. 449 Carolina Lady February 2, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    On a windy day in San Francisco, third baseman Rocky Bridges called for a popup.

    He drifted past the shortstop, past the pitcher on the mound, past the second baseman. Finally, he was standing next to first baseman Vic Power as the ball fell four feet behind them.

    The next day, the newspaper ran a string of song parodies, one targeting Bridges:
    “A tisket, a tasket. I should have brought a basket.”

    Bridges awaited the writer in the clubhouse the following day. “Hey you, c’mon over here. I read what you wrote in the paper.”


    “And it bothered me so much I couldn’t sleep last night. I’ve got to ask you… How does the tune to that song go?”


  442. 450 berigan2electricboogaloo February 2, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    Lew, if the mary jane talk was offending, I apologize. Lets find something else we can talk about then. Perhaps the Mets, and how very good they are???? 😕


  443. 451 Bob, journalist February 2, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    I guess it’s only natural that folks measure maturity in terms of themselves … “I am mature so those who act and think as I, are and those who do not, ain’t … complete fools, say I”.

    I’m mostly of Scot/Irish/English/Wales ancestry but since I had 24 pints of emergency lifesaving blood pumped into/through me 25 years ago, I suppose I’m a little bit of everything now. Carol says not to worry, most of it wound up on the ceiling, the surgeon’s dinner jacket, and his shoes.

    Always liked the Irish … except when we played them in football … I like Mexicans too, especially them what know how to fix real good tamales and such … I can understand how we might have a problem with folks from north and south of our borders sneakin’ in … but, how in the world do we have significant numbers sneakin’ in from the east an west? … submarine?

    Forgetting the rhetoric, I honestly didn’t realize that we had significant numbers of “illegals” … other than those crossing our northern and southern borders … from, Canada, Mexico and below.

    I admit to being a bit bemused by William Wallace’s assessment of the Irish Illegals in his community … “The Irish illegal aliens are less of a problem because (1) they generally move into communities into which they pump their money; (2) their parents generally pay for them to go to the local Catholic school; (3) they significantly contribute to the financial welfare of the local church; and (4) They work jobs within the community that others have no interest in doing.

    This is intended to be neither humorous nor argumentative though it may otherwise so seem … it almost seems that they are affluent children … (1) excluding inferred financial support of their parents, from whence comes the money that they bring into the community?; (2) are Irish illegal aliens allowed in the public schools?; (3) Are those whose parents don’t pay the Catholic school tuition let in for free?; (4) are the financial contributions to the church from the funds provided their parents or from the after school jobs in which others have no interest?; (5) how affluent is this community where jobs in which others have no interest pay so much as to allow them to so conduct themselves?; and (6) are their parents illegal aliens too?

    I really do understand Sir William and you shant lose your head for having so eloquently said … drawn and quartered, maybe.

    I think the question is begged as to why we find ourselves with significant numbers of “illegal aliens” … I think politics should be removed from the solution. Those of far higher intellect and much better acumen than I have long considered the problem … it’s truly complex … but a solution is critical to the well being of us all. I happen to oppose the solutions proffered by so called liberal elements but all sincere, nonpolitical agenda based efforts should be applauded, regardless of from whence they come … the problem needs to be addressed.

    I don’t know about McCain … beet righter, Manchurian Candidate? … good? bad? … a survivor yes, but I never understood his “hero” status. Me, I’m voting for Ronald Reagan … or Jimmy Smith.


  444. 452 chrisklob February 2, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    Perhaps the Mets, and how very good they are>b>n’t???? 😕

    THere, fixed that for you!


  445. 453 nacly February 2, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    Klobber…speakin’ in tongue, are ye?


  446. 454 berigan2electricboogaloo February 2, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    A couple of brave baseball mentions on mlbtraderumors.com (Of a Stark Column)

    Javy Lopez has been working on his catching game with the Braves’ bench coach, and is expected to go north with the team as their backup backstop.
    Ryan Drese could end up being just one more example of a successful Braves’ reclamation project on the mound.

    I like Javy, I really do, and wish him the best. But, I do also feel sorry for Clint Sammons and Bryan Pena, since it looks like unless Javy hits .150 in spring training(And even with that he would probably make it) they won’t have a chance in ….heck to make the team.
    I guess why it bothers me a bit was seeing some footage of Sammons working out indoors back in December, just sounding so determined to get a job with the club….Used to be all you wanted/expected from a back up catcher was good defense and to hit at least .220…. Now event that doesn’t guarantee a job…but, I like Javy…..sigh….can’t we carry 26 palyers???


  447. 455 chrisklob February 2, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    Damn, just poured my first drink too!

    I’ll try again:

    Perhaps the Mets, and how very good they aren’t???? 😕


  448. 456 berigan2electricboogaloo February 2, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    Oh, I forgot Ryan Drese as a reclamation project??? Don’t really know much about him…and just looked him up. Don’t you have to be good at one time to become a reclamation project??



  449. 457 nacly February 2, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    Well, there you go then…don’t pour and type! Sip, then type! 😆


  450. 458 berigan2electricboogaloo February 2, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    Chris, you shouldn’t type and pour at the same time! 🙂


  451. 459 berigan2electricboogaloo February 2, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    Well said Salty, very well said!!!!!!!!!! Great minds think alike and all that jazz!


  452. 460 nacly February 2, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    Berigan, as I recall (SG, we’ll talk about your hotline help in a bit!), Drese started out quite well for the Rangers when he first broke in. Lost track…wasn’t there an injury?


  453. 461 chrisklob February 2, 2008 at 9:50 pm

    Berigan, no need to feel sorry for Sammons as he still has options remaining. I feel more sorry for Pena. Comes to America to live out his dreams and probably won’t make much of an impact on the game. Still, life here has to be better than in Communist Cuba.

    Interesting to look at Pena’s numbers. He’s a .303 hitter in the minors yet only has a .221 average in the bigs. That’s a mighty big differential.


  454. 462 nacly February 2, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    Synchronized bloggin’…too funny!


  455. 463 chrisklob February 2, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    Actually, the sequence is this: Sip, sip, sip, tpye. Repate i f neserary!


  456. 464 berigan2electricboogaloo February 2, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    Salty, I just checked his numbers again. That 5.31 career ERA and 6.55 ERA with the Indians(In 137 innings) in 2002 were what I noticed first. What I missed in between several trips to Minorleagueland was the 2004 season were he was decent, 14-10 with a 4.20 ERA. Still, 233 hits in 207 innings, and only 98 strikeouts…Not a real great fastball before the injury??? Seems like we have some pretty good arms in the bullpen already, where would he fit in???


  457. 465 Bob, journalist February 2, 2008 at 9:54 pm

    Apologies for the previous post … I wrote it much earlier when it would have been timely … had to leave … car trouble … busted battery cable … just got back … posted before seeing the admonishment from MyLady.

    Now to a late supper …


  458. 466 berigan2electricboogaloo February 2, 2008 at 9:59 pm

    CL sorry you and you Mom have had a rough day. A good desert may be in order!


  459. 467 journalist jimmy smith February 2, 2008 at 9:59 pm

    jimmy smith thanks journalist bob for the support. jimmy smith is probably better qualified than several candidates to effectively manage such a large enterprise and to make decisions impacting others. only one remaining candidate can boast similar skills.

    now, jimmy smith is not one to say jimmy smith told bloggers so, but jimmy smith decides for jimmy smith whether jimmy smith’s behavior is acceptable in polite company – or more understandably, whether the company is polite and desirable.

    much as the sja, journalist bears no one ill will, but journalist will not be told how to think or act. stubborn that way. like a mule. oh, the humanity! like a jackass. say it ain’t so, carolina lady! 😆

    last word on the subject. bringing it over here makes it a lot like being over there, and choosing to be away from over there is why many are here. different strokes.


  460. 468 nacly February 2, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    Klobber…second drink already!?!


  461. 469 morpheus45 February 2, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    Howdy, all! I didn’t mean to sound like I was chastising anyone earlier; a good political discussion can sometimes be fun and enlightening. Unfortunately, 94% of the time it turns out to be bitter, ugly and divisive. Guess I’m still used to the old blog; forgot most of us are adults. 🙂

    THE SUPERBOWL CHILI IS NOW SIMMERING. God help the innocents twelve hours or so after we eat it tomorrow. 😛


  462. 470 chrisklob February 2, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    Not yet Nacly. You ready yet?


  463. 471 morpheus45 February 2, 2008 at 10:04 pm

    That second smiley was supposed to look different than the first. Hmm.

    BTW, have had substantive e-mail contact with Flange1; he is officially back to being cool in my book. Welcome home, my son.


  464. 472 chrisklob February 2, 2008 at 10:09 pm

    Grinch, your second smiley DOES look different on my machine. Although you should have used this one instead: 😈 You should really try Beano or some liberal is going to accuse you of contributing to global warming!


  465. 473 williamwallace February 2, 2008 at 10:10 pm

    Bob, I’m not being rude by not responding but CL is tired of the topic and, besides, we would just go round and round in circles dancing with each other for hours all night long about that subject. Would probably be lots of fun for us … but very annoying for everyone else. So, I’ll leave it alone … for now. But your points are well taken. But, man, I am dying to respond…..

    Let’s get this baby to 500 posts tonight…..


  466. 474 williamwallace February 2, 2008 at 10:13 pm

    What’s going on Grinch? Haven’t talk to you in months. Have you heard from Paladin? I emailed him a few weeks ago and invited him to come have fun but he said he was obsessed with football or something right now and would get back to all of us sometime in spring training.

    I love my Giants but they are gonna get killed tomorrow. I hate when my team is not really good enough to be in the Super Bowl but they are playing in it anyway. 1986 and 1990 were much funner. This will be as ugly as 2000 I’m thinking.


  467. 475 flbravesgirl February 2, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    Greetings, y’all. I’m glad to see you kids decided to play nice.

    Gil, I always liked Sean Casey. Glad the family’s secondary team picked him up. (And the skating was good, thanks for thinking of me.)


  468. 476 journalist jimmy smith February 2, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    sand will not help carolina lady. maybe some cake.

    journalist has mail from h.k. – a graph. good to see an h.k. graph again. carolina lady is building a colossus. soon, anne cox chambers will be blogging here. oh, the humanity!


  469. 477 flbravesgirl February 2, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    12 hours later? It’s like stealth chili?


  470. 478 Bob, journalist February 2, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    Jimmy, I personally think that running for the nomination is a strong indication of mental deficiency … but I too am experienced and highly qualified to make decisions impacting others … it’s the ones impacting me with which I have trouble.

    I would have liked to seen you being “instructed” by Dr. Noah … goodness!!

    Is “say it ain’t so, carolina lady’ an esoteric scoop? … is she really Joe’s little girl? Miss Jackson?


  471. 479 journalist jimmy smith February 2, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    grinch, this is very important! the ugandan citropsis root jimmy smith gave grinch for the chili . . . can have powerful side effects. grinch should be careful. good luck, grinch. :mrgreen:


  472. 480 nacly February 2, 2008 at 10:33 pm

    Klobber…slow reply, but yet, had my second. First was (earlier) the home brew my son made (last night’s topic…about this time in fact). Quite good, too! Decided on a nip of Port…feelin’ classy tonight! 😎

    Grinch…no one felt like you were chastising us earlier, but you call me an adult again, and I’ll change my tune! I will not grow up…just not worth the hassle! 🙂


  473. 481 nacly February 2, 2008 at 10:34 pm

    Klobber…slow reply, but yes, had my second. First was (earlier) the home brew my son made (last night’s topic…about this time in fact). Quite good, too! Decided on a nip of Port…feelin’ classy tonight! 😎

    Grinch…no one felt like you were chastising us earlier, but you call me an adult again, and I’ll change my tune! I will not grow up…just not worth the hassle! 🙂
    I’m young and mature, with a touch of ‘and idiot’…my story and stickin’ to it!


  474. 482 nacly February 2, 2008 at 10:36 pm

    Uh…sorry? 😳 Tried to stop the first post…in the process, totally justified the second…especially the last line! 🙄


  475. 483 flbravesgirl February 2, 2008 at 10:51 pm

    We’ll forgive you, Salty. I wish we could self-edit on here the way that the skating board I belong to allows.


  476. 484 nacly February 2, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    Skating board? You mean, when you fall, you get a ‘do over’? 🙂


  477. 485 flbravesgirl February 2, 2008 at 11:09 pm

    Skating discussion board for fans 🙄 . If I tried to skate I’d do nothing but fall, I’m a klutz.


  478. 486 Bob, journalist February 2, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    Who did Grinch call an adult?


  479. 487 mrgil February 2, 2008 at 11:22 pm

    Good evening all, now I remember what it is about TV that I hate….. There are some really bad TV shows on. And more of the same to follow… If this is an example of free speech, we may have to rethink this one…

    Funny, I don’t know how I let that particular version of War Of The Worlds slip by unseen. May have been busy with the baseball season when it came out… Thank goodness I will soon have something on TV to watch. Baseball in 6 weeks, then I won’t care if the writers come back.


  480. 488 mrgil February 2, 2008 at 11:33 pm

    WW, I thought about the comments on illegal Irish immigrants, what, do they come in on a visa and then blend in? Got to be tough on them. I know the ones from India and Pakistan get to work in the family 7-Eleven.. or motel… 🙂

    Anyway, it’s all good. By the time the actual election rolls around, we may just all want to go to Cuba, or annex it. Could be a win, win… Oh well, we will save that discussion for another day.

    It is tough trying to speculate on the up coming season even before the first arm is torn up or the fist knee is twisted. So many little things can happen to change an entire season. It is why you try to have 8 starting pitchers ready when you break camp. You are not going to make the entire season without somebody going down for a while.

    Sammons…. ?? Naw, he is just a kid, he has a long career ahead of him. It will do him more good to get 500 at bats in Richmond that to get rusty on the bench in Atlanta. Pena… well, let’s see what he does this spring.


  481. 489 mrgil February 2, 2008 at 11:35 pm

    could lose an (r) while blogging…..


  482. 490 mrgil February 2, 2008 at 11:37 pm

    Okay folks ,only 10 more post needed to hit the magic number..


  483. 491 mrgil February 2, 2008 at 11:41 pm

    Love golf, the wife took up the game because she did not believe I could be gone that long playing a round of golf. She went with me to check it out, she is better at it than I am I am sad to say.

    Yes, I can hit the ball a long way but it is tough looking for the ball when it is so far into the woods. Of course you get to spend a lot of time checking out the wildlife.


  484. 492 mrgil February 2, 2008 at 11:46 pm

    The spinal stenosis slowed me down a bit and I am unable to take a full swing but I compensated for that by no longer keeping score.

    A bit like the actress who removed all the mirrors from her home so she could not see herself getting older. If I don’t write it down I am not reminded of how much my game has suffered. Also I don’t have to lie… 🙂

    Of course if I ever hit a hole-in-one I may have to change that….


  485. 493 mrgil February 2, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    Okay, seven more to go,

    Berigan, Bob… take us over the top…


  486. 494 flbravesgirl February 2, 2008 at 11:50 pm

    You’re right, Gil, you can never have too much pitching. I’m not liking the reports about Chucky’s arm. We might be down one already.


  487. 495 flbravesgirl February 2, 2008 at 11:59 pm

    C’mon y’all. Don’t make me do this all myself.


  488. 496 mrgil February 3, 2008 at 12:02 am

    Yes, FBG… the need to go ahead with an MRI on chuck’s shoulder and not play around with this, at least he might be ready by next spring.


  489. 497 mrgil February 3, 2008 at 12:05 am

    It is a lot easier to find a pitcher for the minor league Braves than the big league team. I hate for the kid to lose a season but better a season than a career. Look at what happened to Mark Wholers.


  490. 498 chrisklob February 3, 2008 at 12:05 am

    Are we there yet?


  491. 499 mrgil February 3, 2008 at 12:07 am

    At least I am glad he told someone about the problem and didn’t try to hide it like LaRew.


  492. 501 mrgil February 3, 2008 at 12:09 am

    Tada… Okay CL… Hang a gold star on this one. Should get a bit bussier whe we have real baseball “stuff” to argue about.. 🙂


  493. 502 flbravesgirl February 3, 2008 at 12:10 am

    I think part of Wohlers’ problem was between the ears though. He never seemed to really believe in his ability.


  494. 504 flbravesgirl February 3, 2008 at 12:11 am

    Night, Gil. Chris, you could have chimed in & helped!


  495. 505 mrgil February 3, 2008 at 12:12 am

    FBG… He kept telling the Braves that something was wrong, after going to the Reds, they finally found a problem and did the surgery. It was too late however as he had really screwed up his mechanics trying to overcome a problem that everyone said he did not have.


  496. 506 mrgil February 3, 2008 at 12:14 am

    gone… Poof


  497. 507 flbravesgirl February 3, 2008 at 12:15 am

    I know, Gil. I just always felt he had a confidence problem.


  498. 508 lew614 February 3, 2008 at 12:31 am

    I talked to Jason In Maine tonight, His wife’s Dad succumbed to his illness last night. His services are in the morning. Send some thoughts htheir way.

    I also got the new blog lead in to CL-better late than never.

    THree predictions for Pleasant Braves’ surprises this year.

    1.Kelly Johnson will become an outstanding player.

    2.Javy Lopez is looking in REAL good shape. They ran an article in the new Chop Talk. His catching reportedly has been considerably improved. I think not only will he make the team as McCann’s backup, but will provide something that’s been sadly lacking-Power off of the bench. He will be back.

    3.Kotsay will remain healthy, hit at least his .280 lifetime average and he and Francoeur will be 1-2 in outfield assists.

    4. The Kotsay and Javy deals will make Frank Wren look like a genius. Less than $3 mil for the pair.


  499. 509 Bob, journalist February 3, 2008 at 1:17 am

    I came back to find you had already made it … better late than absent!

    I was thinking about Jason earlier tonight … our thoughts, prayers and condolences are with him.

    Thinking about Joe Brave too … seems like we haven’t heard from him since Christmas.

    Night all


  500. 510 lew614 February 3, 2008 at 1:57 am

    Bob-JoeBrave was on the other blog last night. Made a comment about the Santana trade that Omar Minihaha made. The boy definitely has a way with words. I’m out, too. It’s been a long, cold day and I’m tired.


  501. 511 berigan2electricboogaloo February 3, 2008 at 1:57 am

    Wow! 509 posts! 510 when I get done!!! Amazin’!!! Hmm, that sounds too much like a word used just before a certain team in the NL. Amazing! Colossal, stupendous!
    Lew, do you think we might carry a 3rd catcher then??? Can’t use Javy in the 6th with the bases loaded(batting for the pitcher) without another catcher, right??


  502. 512 ssiscribe February 3, 2008 at 7:45 am

    Top of the morning, everybody. Look what happens when I come down with a horrible cold Friday night, end up sleeping through most of Saturday and don’t turn on the laptop until Sunday …

    The good ol’ Braves and Stuff exploded.

    More than 500 posts! JerseyGil and Flange1 arrive. Welcome, both of you. SJA returns. All kinds of interesting talk, some baseball related, some not-so-related but still, interesting.

    Not sure who made the comment above, but when you have reasonable adults present, you can have a conversation about touchy issues and perhaps all of us can learn something by listening to different viewpoints, instead of having to wade through childish rhetoric.

    Anyway, for what it’s worth, I predicted 30-23 Patriots on http://www.bigleagueblog.net last night. Actually filed it Friday afternoon and had it posted yesterday; could barely get out of bed with this cold, but feeling a little better this morning.

    I love how everybody has anointed the Mets as the NL East champions. I really, really think getting Santana pulls them dead even with the Braves and Phillies. It’s going to be an unbelievable race, I believe, and we’ll have a lot more to say about that as we count down to the first pitch.

    Time for medicine, and breakfast. Enjoy your Super Sunday.

    The Scribe abides.



  503. 513 nacly February 3, 2008 at 9:06 am

    Best wishes to Jason’s family.

    Bob, J…Grinch essentially called us all adults! That’s almost crossing the line…at least toe’s it! 🙂

    Lew…agree with your 3-step projection for Braves’ success.

    Scribe…just goes to show ‘andstuff’ can be debated responsibly!


  504. 514 savannahguy February 3, 2008 at 9:22 am


    This place is rockin’. A blog is a good blog when you can get online and spend a while reading…and laughing…and thinking about the diverse points of view, pleasant repartee and good humor.

    Congratulations Carolina Lady! To use one of your old analogies, you are the thread that holds this fabric together. And Scribe is right about reasonable adults and touchy subject matter. Ladies and Gents seem to be able to do that without getting personal or going negative. Controversial does not have to be confrontational.

    Condolences and God bless to Jason in Maine and his family.

    Lew, I’m encouraged by your predictions and the current outlook on Javy. If Kelly has been practicing going to his right and working on staying on the bag in a double-play scenario he’ll be a fine second bagger. He’s already got an Olerud potential with his bat. Your number three, on Kotsay and Frenchy being 1-2 in assists would surprise me, but here’s hoping you’re right.

    Scribe, I like the new header on your blog. Warriors all. A fine set of articles there too. I’ve been enjoying reading through. Good stuff. Good luck with the cold. Lots’a “bugs” out there now. I’ve been wimpy myself this week with an Atlanta bug that I brought back with me.

    Ugandan citropsis root in chili? Side effects? Had to google that one. Oh, my…Grinch, be very careful is right. Could be an interesting Super Bowl party.


    Go Pats!


  505. 515 savannahguy February 3, 2008 at 9:28 am

    Salty, you’re right about the adult thing. When we’re thinking about baseball, football, hunting, fishing, other recreational things, movies, art and assorted “stuff”, what do the adults think about?

    Forever young…


  506. 516 nacly February 3, 2008 at 9:28 am

    Controversial does not have to be confrontational.

    Words to live by! And blog by!


  507. 517 nacly February 3, 2008 at 9:32 am

    what do the adults think about? I don’t know…I have no experience at being one! 🙄


  508. 518 savannahguy February 3, 2008 at 9:34 am

    Braveheart, I shared an email with the jet fighter a few weeks back. He’s doing fine and looking forward to ST. I also invited him over but you’re right…he’s a football guy at the moment.

    He’s probably sitting under an umbrella on a sandy beach somewhere in the tropics, sippin’ on a little umbrella drink, headphones on listenin’ to a football talk show and watching bikinis stroll by. Tough life.


  509. 519 savannahguy February 3, 2008 at 9:37 am

    Been meaning to ask, do you prefer to be addressed as Nacly or Salty?

    By the way, your avatar keeps going back and forth between salt and forks. On purpose or WordPress stuff?


  510. 520 berigan2electricboogaloo February 3, 2008 at 9:54 am

    Peter Gammon’s take on the Santana trade….Let’s hope the slider stays lost, eh what??? 😉
    Mets get best pitcher on the planet


    C.C. Sabathia’s wish list for 2008 is first, for the Cleveland Indians to win the World Series, and second, for the New York Yankees to miss the playoffs.


    Then bling.

    One can argue that the landscape never was the same after the San Francisco Giants gave Barry Zito $126 million last winter, because Zito isn’t Johan Santana. Perhaps no one is Johan Santana. He makes the New York Mets the clear favorites to win the National League pennant in 2008, his picture will be up on Hank Steinbrenner’s wall next to the picture of Brian Cashman and he is the reason the Indians have no chance of re-signing Sabathia unless someone finds oil in Lake Erie.

    “We’d better enjoy [Josh] Beckett the next three years,” one Boston Red Sox official said, “Because we won’t be able to sign him after his deal is up after 2010.”

    Bill Smith was handed the Minnesota Twins’ general manager job, knowing that Torii Hunter was history, knowing that he was going to have to trade the best pitcher in the game. Now, it’s easy to say he should have taken Phil Hughes, Melky Cabrera and Jeff Marquez (from the Yankees), or maybe Jacoby Ellsbury, Jed Lowrie and Justin Masterson (from the Red Sox — although Boston officials said that once Santana turned down a $100 million, five-year deal from the Twins, they knew they couldn’t sign him). Both offers, as the New York Post’s Joel Sherman pointed out, were “B-plus deals,” while Smith opted for a “C-minus deal” that doesn’t include a position player as good as Ellsbury or a pitcher close to Hughes or Masterson.

    Most other general managers assumed that somewhere, somehow Steinbrenner would force Cashman to cave in, which did not happen. By this week, Hughes was off the table, the Red Sox had pared their offer and, in Smith’s mind, all that was left was what the Mets were offering. In addition, Omar Minaya’s dogged persistence never allowed Smith to re-examine the notion of going for it all in 2008, then accepting two draft picks who might or might not be close to as good as Carlos Gomez and Deolis Guerra.

    The Oakland A’s received more by trading Dan Haren to the Arizona Diamondbacks than the Twins got for Santana. If the Baltimore Orioles decide to trade Erik Bedard, they will get more for him, who is a week older than Santana and never has thrown 200 innings in a season. The Diamondbacks control Haren through 2010, and if the Seattle Mariners acquire Bedard, they will control him through 2010, too. Hey, the Athletics may well have gotten more from the Chicago White Sox for Nick Swisher than the Twins got for the best pitcher on the planet, especially if Fautino De Los Santos is as good as Oakland thinks he is.

    No matter what some other teams think about Gomez or how far Guerra is from the majors, the Mets still had to shell out four of their top 10 prospects and pay somewhere between $137 million and $151 million to acquire Santana. Now, when the Nippon Ham Fighters decide to post Yu Darvish — the half-Iranian, half-Japanese phenom — can they expect to get a $100 million posting fee in addition to whatever Darvish can extract from the Yankees, Mets, Red Sox or Los Angeles Dodgers? Probably. No prospects will be involved, and those players carry significant value.

    Sabathia might not be Santana in terms of his longterm viability, but we are looking at $20 million per season if the Yankees don’t make the playoffs this season and the Mets play the Red Sox in the World Series. No wonder the Indians haven’t traded Cliff Lee or Jeremy Sowers, and will keep developing Adam Miller as a starting pitcher.

    We know that the Los Angeles Angels will quickly pick up John Lackey’s option for 2009, as the Dodgers will with Brad Penny’s option. But those two and Kelvim Escobar all can become free agents after ’09. Beckett, Haren and Brandon Webb all will have their contracts up after 2010.

    Minaya deserves immense credit for holding on to the vision that what he most needed wasn’t Livan Hernandez or Kyle Lohse, but rather a legitimate ace. Now Pedro Martinez can pitch at whatever pace he needs, and John Maine and Oliver Perez are backed up into more comfortable roles in the middle of the Mets’ rotation. And if Mike Pelphrey develops a swing-and-miss breaking ball, Minaya still will have the best arm in the organization.

    Fred and Jeff Wlipon deserve credit for looking at their marvelous ballpark opening in 2009 and for being willing to spend the money to have a 30-year old superstar left-hander pitch that home opener, a 30-year-old whose athleticism, delivery and intensity should carry him right through his mid-30s. They will have $76 million tied up in Santana, Carlos Beltran, Carlos Delgado, Martinez and Billy Wagner, but they also have David Wright and Jose Reyes, the best young players in the sport, for a combined $9 million in ’08, the last fully guaranteed year of Delgado’s contract.

    Even when he struggled in the last five weeks of last season when he lost his slider, Santana was down only 1 or 2 mph in velocity, and the Indians, who won every one of their five matchups with him, said his stuff was as good as ever. The delivery and arm speed that make his changeup so great shouldn’t diminish in the seven years of his contract with the Mets, barring a freak injury.

    Since Santana went into the Twins’ rotation for good on July 11, 2003, he is the winningest pitcher in the game at 78-34; Roy Oswalt and Carlos Zambrano are next, with 74 and 71 wins respectively. Among pitchers who have thrown a minimum of 750 innings in those 4½ seasons, Santana has the lowest ERA (2.92) and the most strikeouts per nine innings (9.63).

    Now take him out of the American League and put him into the National League, which essentially is Divison 1-A.

    Someday the Yankees might rue the day they did not get Santana. The Red Sox might rue the day they didn’t put Santana next to Beckett, then figure out how to make Beckett whole on the $13 million difference in their respective contracts.

    But the Mets had the money, they were in the right place and Minaya never gave up. In the wars of the ballpark openings, regional television networks and My Back Pages, the Mets have struck a mighty blow.

    And in the National League East, where the Phillies and Braves are very good and very aggressive, the Mets now have what no one else has.

    The best pitcher on the planet.


  511. 521 berigan2electricboogaloo February 3, 2008 at 10:00 am

    My condolences to Jason’s family as well. Now we know why we haven’t seen much of him of late…


  512. 522 nacly February 3, 2008 at 10:03 am

    SG…I’m Salty…it was taken here, so I defaulted to Bob, J’s nomenclature (first time blog use?).

    My avatar is schizoid! Makes me unique! 😦


  513. 523 jerseygil February 3, 2008 at 10:11 am

    Good Morning ladies & gentlemen….IT IS SUPER SUNDAY….finally, let me tell you how i will spending my SUNDAY…First it will be sunny and in the 50’s here in southern Jersey…My wife and my friend we are planning to watch the game in ours HOTTUB…with a little of BBQ…some red wine…
    Who’s going to win?…doesn’t matter to me…i a Dolphin Fan…my friend want to the Giant to win because they play here in NJ. Qho ‘s care…this mean the BASEBALL season are near the corner…tic tac…tic tac…
    Lew is already pack….to going south….

    This morning some of you was bloging about Pena situation, Pena to me is a good trade chip…DC will loking for a cather in July, same of the PHILLIS…remember Javy only be there just a couple year(If he make the team)…the bench look good with a righty/lefty coming with power(javy/thorman).


  514. 524 berigan2electricboogaloo February 3, 2008 at 10:12 am

    Salty, Salty was taken???? How can that be??? Oh, and your forks are always forks when I see them!


  515. 525 chrisklob February 3, 2008 at 10:16 am

    All the love the Mets and Minaya are getting is sickening.

    Minaya deserves immense credit for holding on to the vision that what he most needed wasn’t Livan Hernandez or Kyle Lohse, but rather a legitimate ace.

    Give me a break! Everyone and I mean EVERYONE on the damn planet knew that the Mets needed an ace. Immense credit? Puhleeze!

    He must be ecstatic that the Yakkees didn’t get him or that his beloved Red Sox didn’t have to shell out all those prospects.