57: The Old Man and the Sea change

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by Savannah Guy

With Presidents and other leaders and good Samaritans, circumstances usually make them what they are in the public record. The Civil War made Lincoln, as did that unfortunate theatre visit. The Great Depression, WWII, TVA and the promise of a “chicken in every pot” made FDR. The Panama Canal, the hostage crisis and that attacking rabid rabbit made Jimmy Carter. Well, maybe Carter isn’t such a good example, but you get the point… circumstance matters.

Now, Braves. There is no doubt that Bobby Cox is a Hall of Fame manager. Bobby Cox managed most all of those titles under the fortunate circumstance of Glavine, Smoltz, Maddux and a host of good pitchers around them. That circumstance has changed (drastically).

Now, on the games we play. Sports have changed too. Coaching in today’s pro sports arena is becoming pretty sophisticated stuff. Management requires learned skills, techniques, tactics and technology on top of mental sharpness and great experience in the game. In the old days of baseball managing, when things were simpler (just a few years ago), technology was a pencil or a piece of chalk.

Managing a game was not nearly as statistically critical or access to information at our fingertips at the speed of technology as fundamental as it has become these days. Now, along with playing experience, the cost of entry for a manager should include being well versed in all of the tools to efficiently, effectively and successfully manage a modern sports team, including those without the highest payroll. If you can’t outspend’em you have to outsmart’em.

Like it or not, over the next few years we’ll see more and more of the old-time managers, particularly those that aren’t particularly strategic and/or ‘new era’ coaches around them, as they become more and more ineffective. We have greater access to information than ever before. How we gather, interpret and act on that information will tell the tale. Change is inevitable. Those that don’t change are doomed to failure and irrelevance.

Now, fishing. In the old days (also just a few years ago) a champion offshore sport or commercial fisherman relied on his experience and instinct to find fish and earn a living through years of trial and error. He relied on visually identifying weed-lines and bird activity. Every successful fisherman spent time logging time and tides, studying fish patterns and seasonal species, paying attention to wind direction and just applied good old common sense and dead reckoning.

Today fishermen use modern GPS technology and satellite linked charts displaying real-time water temp, Ph, currents, wind direction, baitfish schools and such. They are also outfitted with the most amazing sonar and transducers that pipe detailed digital images in on color video monitors for tracking the exact conditions for species of fish they seek.

Without all of the sophisticated technology and access to more maritime research and information than ever imagined, the old-style commercial fisherman simply cannot compete. Some folks that hold a glamorous view of the trade may pine for the ‘old salts’ and the good old days when things were simple, natural and not so complex… but come dinnertime we’d buy our fish from the guys that caught them.

Now, jumping back to baseball again. MLB managers and an increasing number of coaches will have to master new methodologies and become fluent in emerging innovative technology, Sabermetrics, employ ever improving management software, digitally recorded and analyzed player profiles and so forth. For the health care (and increasing investment) of athletes, breakthrough medical research, surgical techniques, rehab and prevention will continue. Proactive procedures, vitamins and physical conditioning will be much more personalized to each unique athlete.

Embracing and mastering these kinds of constantly improving ‘tools’ by managers and coaches is already critical and will only become more critical. The managers that don’t adapt will become painfully and glaringly evident. As with all sports and all business, the game of baseball will continue to evolve. The team that embraces change and strives to stay ahead of the tech and information curve will have a distinct competitive advantage in recruiting, coaching, maximizing talent and minimizing injury on the field, in the clubhouse, in the executive office and every other location and aspect of the franchise and the game itself… including one run wins.

The old managers will go the way of the old fisherman. We’ll remember them with fondness, we’ll place them on a pedestal or induct them into the Hall of Fame or we’ll just pine for them when they’re gone. We’ll remember them in the context of ‘the good old days’, when life and the game of baseball was simpler.

Let’s hope the good, old-time managers know when it’s time to go, especially if they are beginning to come back to the docks empty handed. If they don’t go gracefully when it’s their time, they may irreparably harm their own legacy, taint our fond memories of successes they’ve enjoyed and instead, write an unsuccessful, annoying and sad final chapter to an otherwise arguably brilliant career.

We want to smile and cheer for a job well done when our ‘skippers’ walk or sail off into the sunset, not cringe, feel embarrassment, annoyance or frustration when they stay too long. We certainly don’t want to watch the boat take on water because of a skippers waning ability to see the cracks in the hull, flounder because of their lack of self awareness or sink because of their stubborn refusal to moor the boat when it’s time. For the good of the boat and the crew, Skippers have to know when to turn over the wheel in a storm.

It’s too late for Bobby Cox to leave while the Braves are on top. It may be too late for him to leave on top of his own game. Let’s hope it doesn’t get embarrassing for the old skipper with the sea change going on around him in Major League Baseball.


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460 Responses to “57: The Old Man and the Sea change”

  1. 1 Carolina Lady September 8, 2008 at 9:13 am

    Very good, SG! Excellent points. THANKS!


  2. 2 Voice of Raisins September 8, 2008 at 9:54 am

    Now I’m hungry. Is fish sticks for breakfast wrong? 😀


  3. 3 Gil in Mechanicsville September 8, 2008 at 11:15 am

    Yo SG… Very insightful piece, well done as per usual.

    I guess the old adage is true that managers are given too much credit for winning and too much blame for losing. Being the moderate that I am, I see the glass being half full and half empty at the same time. The truth is there is something in the glass, my question is should we drink it or pour it out?

    And wither politics? An amazing turn of evens if you ask me….


  4. 4 Gil in Mechanicsville September 8, 2008 at 11:17 am

    And as a fellow who is married to a woman who can bait her own hook, a lot of positive thoughts can be formulated about someone who is not afraid to get their hands dirty when the situation calls for it….


  5. 5 Berigan, the WORM!!!!!! September 8, 2008 at 11:31 am

    SG, I don’t get it, what are you trying to say?? Bobby should be signed to a 5 year contract??? 😛

    I like the analogy. I hate new technologies , to a certain extent, but I also realize(eventually) when it’s a big help to me as well….

    It’s funny how some managers can keep on , keepin’ on. Like like trader Jack McKeon, was able to beat the mightly Yankees with a team of very young players.

    Bobby did a great job in 2005 with the baby braves…

    But something seems to happen to some guys. Did Tom Landry and Don Shula become stupid all of the sudden? I doubt it…Tommy Lasorda…well, health was more of an issue than anything with him leaving…But he did a great job with the US Olympic team in 2000…but he’s a tremendous motivator.

    I don’t like to say just that someone is old, and therefore can’t do a job any more. I bet the grind alone might have something to do with why some guys aren’t as good as they once were. I bet a year off would do more good for Bobby, than anything else. Then again, he just may be too rigid, mentally, to ever learn what he would need to learn to put this team back on top, or at least in contention.


  6. 6 Berigan, the WORM!!!!!! September 8, 2008 at 12:02 pm

    Gil, talkin’ politics….since it looks like McCain/Palin are ahead….is it possible they might start making stuff up about Gov. Palin??? Well, I guess I should say more made up stuff….sigh…


  7. 7 Carolina Lady September 8, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    Pardon my grin: http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/08/msnbc-hosts-olbermann-matthews-booted-from-political-night-duties/
    The new guy “suited to deliver sober and less opinion-driven assessments of the news.”


  8. 8 Voice of Raisins September 8, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    The guy across the street posted this info, and I think it’s worthy enough for posting here as well:

    Don’t know if many of you saw the last issue of Baseball America, but it was their annual Best Tools issue, and it had a few Braves and/or Braves prospects featured prominently.

    The organization had the “Most Exciting Player” in two different A-ball leagues — Gorkys Hernandez for Myrtle Beach in the Carolina League, and Jason Heyward for Rome in the South Atlantic League. Heyward was also the “Best Batting Prospect” in his league, and Hernandez was voted to have the “Best Outfield Arm” in his.

    Myrtle’s Brandon Hicks was the “Best Defensive Shortstop” in the Carolina League.

    In Double-A, Luis Valdez of Mississippi was rated “Best Reliever” in the Southern League.

    And in Triple-A, Charlie Morton was rated the “Best Pitching Prospect” in the International League and Richmond’s Dave Brundage was “Best Manager Prospect.”

    The issue also had the Best Tools for the majors, and they had top three in each category for each league (there was only one in each category in each minor league).

    The only Braves who made the NL ratings this year were Chipper (second to Pujols in the “Best Hitter” category, and third in “Best Strike-Zone Judgment” behind Todd Helton and Pujols); John Smoltz (third in “Best Slider” behind Jake Peavy and Brad Lidge); and Francoeur (second in “Best Outfield Arm” behind Rick Ankiel).

    Oh, and several of you will like this one: Bobby Cox was once again first in “Best Manager,” ahead of Tony La Russa and Lou Piniella. In the AL, Mike Scioscia was rated “Best Manager” ahead of Ron Gardenhire and Jim Leyland.


  9. 9 Berigan, the WORM!!!!!! September 8, 2008 at 12:22 pm

    V, I just saw that there too….Slow over there I noticed as well. Gotta be die hard to talk about the braves now! 😉

    Jim Leyland may be a good short term manager, but he’s ruined some great arms at a Dusty Baker rate….


  10. 10 Voice of Raisins September 8, 2008 at 12:25 pm

    Back to the managerial front: there are ever-so-slight whispers wafting from Atlanta that perhaps Bobby Cox is ready to call it a career. The thought is that Cox, who led the Braves to 14 consecutive playoff appearances but now is faced with his team missing the postseason fun for the third straight year, isn’t that thrilled with the long-term overhaul needed in Atlanta. — Rick Freeman, Trenton Times


  11. 11 Salty September 8, 2008 at 12:27 pm

    The thought is that Cox… isn’t that thrilled with the long-term overhaul needed in Atlanta.

    Nor should he be…

    SG…very nice job…Hemingway-eque! 😆 So says you: “Bobby, the bell tolls for thee!”


  12. 12 Carolina Lady September 8, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    I wonder if Bobby feels the rebuilding will take more energy than he can give. I’m still in favor of Brian Snitker being manager.


  13. 13 flbravesgirl September 8, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    SG, very good work. I kind of feel that Bobby’s time has passed too. Still love him but it’s time for him bow out gracefully & maybe take an advisory position in the front office.


  14. 14 Voice of Raisins September 8, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    I think Bobby should retire and train to be a cage fighter. 😀

    OK, maybe not…


  15. 15 Gil in Mechanicsville September 8, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    Cage fighter… American league, right?


  16. 16 Berigan, the WORM!!!!!! September 8, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    how do you teach cages to fight, anyway???


  17. 17 Berigan, the WORM!!!!!! September 8, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    VOR, what is that avatar of?


  18. 18 Berigan, the WORM!!!!!! September 8, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    Billy Wagner is done for this year, and likely next!


  19. 19 Voice of Raisins September 8, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    how do you teach cages to fight, anyway???

    It’s very tricky process that involves trigonometry, pine trees and a small German fella named Heinz. It’s kinda compicated…

    VOR, what is that avatar of?

    It’s Bobby rubbing his forehead in frustration, with a thought bubble to the side that says, “SG!” Unfortunately, it appears too small to see any of that, so I am the only one who can actually see the humor in it, which kinda kills the effect…


  20. 20 Voice of Raisins September 8, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    … and it’s complicated, too…


  21. 21 Berigan, the WORM!!!!!! September 8, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    Sounds like it! 😉


  22. 22 Carolina Lady September 8, 2008 at 6:27 pm

    From what I read, even the Braves’ clubhouse is coming undone. That truly is a first!


  23. 23 Gil in Mechanicsville September 8, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    CL… Losing does that. First the whispers then the finger pointing… Next thing you know guys are shipped off to BFE…


  24. 24 Carolina Lady September 8, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    I’ve never heard of a Bobby Cox clubhouse being like this. It certainly appears that he no longer has enough influence over them.


  25. 25 Savannah Guy September 8, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    Hey guys… seems like forever. Missed ya… mean it. Thanks for the nice comments on my lead. As usual, wish I’d have slept on it before sending. But then it would have been all wrinkled and stuff.

    Voraisins, your avatar picture would’ve been great as a lead photo. Maybe you could plug it in there somewhere? Although I imagine that Bobby would be thinking something more along the lines of “@#*& that #$@ *& $@#$”, if he actually read the lead.

    Bobby’s clubhouse in disarray? Makes perfect sense and not at all surprising.

    Know this: it ain’t his age. What is he, 67? Not that old at all. We are about to have the a man elected to the most powerful position in the world at 72 years of age, so it’s really not age at 67. It’s Bobby’s, uh, mindset. Maybe it’s his health too, who knows. Maybe it’s his stubbornness. Maybe that old plow-horse, Peter Principle’ on his farm kicked him in the head. Stubborn old mule.

    Or maybe stubbornness is the way he handles his embarrassment for 3 years below .500 ball. Have you guys paid attention to his post game interviews the last few years? Notice anything? We see either vacant head rubbing while trailing off or glaring angrily at the interviewer after a one or two word terse, defiant answer to a sincere question. Sad.

    Sad and unnecessary… Maybe it’s whom he has around him that counts. Uh, can anyone around him count? Then again, it’s not the wins that count… it’s who counts the one run losses.

    What really gets me is, it’s not about getting left behind in this world, it’s about our own awareness of that reality that really matters. Nobody’s perfect… we just have to recognize our own strengths and weaknesses and get hel for the weak spots that makes a difference. That is leadership with compassion towards and respect for those we lead.

    For his sake and ours (Braves), I hope he hangs up the cleats after this season come to its merciful conclusion.


  26. 26 Savannah Guy September 8, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    B, don’t hate new technology. I’m sure you don’t. We don’t have to lose… or stop appreciating or placing value on experience. Technology is a tool. It’s an edge. The edge keeps moving up. Unless that edge is PED’s… then the edge cuts and bleeds.

    Laurels aren’t very comfortable when sat upon too long. They fill with hot air and start to sound like a whoopie cushion after a while.


  27. 27 Savannah Guy September 8, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    Salty, Ernest could spell better and had better sentence structure than me, but thanks anyway. He also took more time to write and rewrite too.

    That’s how I’ll rationalize the big gulf between his writing and mine. Huge gulf. An ocean. A veritable mountain of talent that rose to the sky. Sigh.

    Anyway, he took longer to write and had a bunch of editors. That’ll get me through the night. Then, tomorrow morning, reality will show up again and I’ll once again come to the realization that…

    the sun also rises.


  28. 28 Savannah Guy September 8, 2008 at 10:34 pm

    Sometimes a blog, sometimes a wall of post-it notes. Drop a line and such. Not bad. Nice to have a wall to stick’em on.

    Oh, that reminds me: Pick up laundry.

    Well, my little window (porthole) has closed once again. Travel day tomorrow. Behave.


  29. 29 flbravesgirl September 8, 2008 at 11:09 pm

    Evening y’all. I was just alerted to a new virus that shows up on your email as “Postcard from Hallmark”. Apparently it’s a very nasty little bugger. I use Hallmark & it says “e-card” in the subject line. If you get one that says “postcard”, it’s bogus even though it’ll look like it’s from someone you know.


  30. 30 Berigan, the WORM!!!!!! September 8, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    I missed the story on the breakdown….where might they be???


  31. 31 Voice of Raisins September 8, 2008 at 11:40 pm

    B, I missed it, too. I’d like to read that one…


  32. 32 flbravesgirl September 9, 2008 at 12:17 am

    deep breath … OK, those of you who read “across the street” may have noticed that I just started posting there again. This is no reflection on B & S. I love y’all & this is my blog home. I left the AJC blog out of loyalty to some friends who have now drifted out of my life & I see no point in continuing to stay away. I hope no one is upset with me because there’s no need to be. If I have time to only visit one site it will always be here. The other guy could never hold a candle to our CL anyway.


  33. 33 Voice of Raisins September 9, 2008 at 12:44 am

    Andruw Jones 2008 stats: .161 AVG, 3 HR’s, 14 RBI, .261 OPB, .254 SLG

    Geez… that’s atrocious.

    I knew Francoeur would be a better hitter than Andruw one day! 😀


  34. 34 Voice of Raisins September 9, 2008 at 12:52 am

    No sweat, FBG. I still read there, but posting to me is pointless. Too much self-absorbed hot air over there; and that’s just the bloggers. And too many boneheads who would rather antagonize than post anything resembling intelligence. Like most places, if you sift through enough dung, you can still turn up a jewel here and there. My main motivation for cruising on that side of the street is simply that the guy (or gal) with access to the clubhouse is gonna have the breaking news. Nothing more, nothing less. The last time I posted over there was in response to some lame-@$$ who was posting with my handle. I needed to make sure old-timers didn’t think I had suffered brain damage.


  35. 35 Gil in Mechanicsville September 9, 2008 at 1:03 am

    FBG… You are talking to the guy who was threatened with a fence post for blogging in other places. It’s all good, I think the folks around here are adult enough not to play that game….

    Now baseball.. Braves did not lose tonight…

    There are a few spots I simply do not wish to patronize any longer…


  36. 36 Voice of Raisins September 9, 2008 at 7:46 am

    Alot of Bobby Cox on 680theFan this morning…


  37. 37 Voice of Raisins September 9, 2008 at 7:47 am

    Um… rather alot of Bobby Cox talk on 680theFan this morning… 😳


  38. 38 Voice of Raisins September 9, 2008 at 7:56 am

    The Trenton Times story about Bobby I posted on here yesterday seems to be blowing up around here today.

    Leo Mazzone is on 680theFan (a local sports talk radio station for those not from around these parts) this morning. He is arguing very vehemently on the pro-Bobby side.

    One of the hosts cited the Yankees moving on from Joe Torre, to which Leo answered, “Yeah… that worked out well, didn’t it?” Then he made a very astute point which I think could open some interesting discourse here. It doesn’t matter who follows Bobby in the dugout, they are in an impossible situation. I tend to agree.

    The prevailing thought is that the pecking order has Terry Pendleton in line to succeed Bobby, which I think is a terrible move from a desire to win standpoint. But if somebody’s gotta fail following Bobby, TP’s OK with me.


  39. 39 Voice of Raisins September 9, 2008 at 7:59 am

    Gil, turn your head and don’t look at this one:

    Gwinnett Braves open April 9
    The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
    Tuesday, September 09, 2008

    The Gwinnett Braves will begin their inaugural season on April 9 with an eight-game road trip in North Carolina. The new Class AAA affliate of the Braves will play division opponents Charlotte and Durham.

    The first game at the team’s new ballpark will be on April 17 against Norfolk. The weekend series kicks off a homestand that runs through April 26th with games against Durham and Charlotte.

    The 2009 season will be the team’s first in Gwinnett County after 43 seasons in Richmond, Va. They will play 144 regular-season games in 152 days between April 9 and Sept. 7.


  40. 40 Voice of Raisins September 9, 2008 at 8:03 am

    I hate the Mets as much as anybody here. That being said, the news on Billy Wagner is not good. He’s done for this year and next, and maybe for his career. Too bad for a great major league pitcher…

    As to the Mets team, kharma guys… kharma…


  41. 41 Voice of Raisins September 9, 2008 at 8:07 am

    Last night, MLB reached a milestone. Gary Sheffield hit 2 homers last night, his second being a grand slam – and MLB’s 250,000th home run.

    When Sheffield went deep off Oakland starter Gio Gonzalez in the second inning of Monday’s 14-8 Tigers victory, he hit the 250,000th home run in big league history. The statistic comes courtesy of Sean Forman at Baseball-Reference.com, which has been conducting a countdown toward the milestone event on his site with research from David Vincent with the Society for American Baseball Research. –Jason Beck, mlb.com


  42. 42 Carolina Lady September 9, 2008 at 9:23 am

    ‘Morning, everyone!

    Shef will be even more full of himself now. 😆

    fbg, nobody stays home all the time. I mean, ya gotta go to Wal*Mart, the cleaners, etc – and now and then ya just gotta go honky-tonkin’! 😆

    There are no strings here. I hope this would be a good ‘home base’ for folks to come and yak and enjoy themselves. I sometimes read ajc, too. It’s a good Braves’ news source – and Braves news is what we’re all looking for.

    This blog was started out of loyalty and has evolved into it’s own little self. Things change, life changes. Here we are.

    But you DO have to come back!!! 😀


  43. 43 Carolina Lady September 9, 2008 at 9:25 am

    Raisins, thanks for the info. Those of us in the hinterlands would never know about it if you didn’t tell us! It’s appreciated!


  44. 44 Voice of Raisins September 9, 2008 at 9:33 am

    CL: The real pleasure of this blog for me is that the fringe info that I crave and spend my early mornings trolling for is also sometimes of interest to the fine folks who tread here. Being able to bring it here and open a dialogue is the icing to an otherwise trivial cake. It’s also a part of my sanity management regimen. 😀


  45. 45 Carolina Lady September 9, 2008 at 10:06 am

    That’s one thing that I had always hoped, Raisins – that we’d go find stuff and bring it back here to discuss. Mutual interest, everyone contributing would make it a really interesting, fun place to visit.


  46. 46 Berigan, the WORM!!!!!! September 9, 2008 at 10:35 am

    Gonna rip off V again today. Just popped in to say hey…..
    Hey!!! 😀


  47. 47 Voice of Raisins September 9, 2008 at 10:52 am

    New security concern! This is a must read…


    We should hold our collective breath! 😀


  48. 48 Carolina Lady September 9, 2008 at 11:20 am

    Oh, the drama of it all! 😆

    I met the Colonel once. Delightful man! Was wearing his trademark white suit – complete with a drop of chicken gravy on the lapel.


  49. 50 Carolina Lady September 9, 2008 at 11:30 am

    Was just curious – other 4th place teams:
    Yankees .528
    Indians .486
    Oakland .455

    Giants .441
    Reds .451
    Braves .431



  50. 51 Carolina Lady September 9, 2008 at 11:55 am

    Looking at the other end of the spectrum – top teams:
    Rays .599 (magic #: 20)
    CWS .563 (magic #: 18)
    Angels .608 (magic #: 2)

    Mets .559 (magic #: 18)
    Cubs .601 (magic #: 15)
    Dodgers .507 (magic #: 18)


  51. 52 Voice of Raisins September 9, 2008 at 12:29 pm

    Yikes! 😯

    I cannot believe the Braves are behind both Cincy and San Fran. Cincy I can almost digest without a healthy dose of Pepto Bismal, but San Fran?

    Oh, the San Franity!


  52. 53 Berigan, the WORM!!!!!! September 9, 2008 at 12:31 pm

    V, by rights, the giants should have lost 110 games. Their outfield has more homers than ours….tell me how that’s possible.


  53. 54 Voice of Raisins September 9, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    Pitching, my young padawan, pitching.

    Upon further review, I can see very clearly why San Fran is improving. Tim Lincecum, Matt Cain, Jonathan Sanchez… Good young pitching. That, B, is how it’s possible.


  54. 55 Voice of Raisins September 9, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    To build on that statement of pitching – In 2 or 3 more years, the Braves will be trotting out a rotation that includes Jair Jurjjens, Tommy Hanson and Kris Medlin. That is a solid nucleus of young pitching. The big question is questions are: How do you bridge to that time? Who do you compliment the kids with? Is Charlie viable as a consistent starter? I think he has potential, but I’m not sure he can reach it. Likewise, the jury is still out on Jo-Jo, although the jury ought to be reaching a verdict by early ’09. Charlie should have enjoyed a successful full season in AAA. Too bad he didn’t have that chance. Jo-Jo’s time has come. Huddy should return for ’10, but he’s only signed through ’10, and that is a mutual option year. The Braves MUST be judicious and make good solid choices in acquiring pitching this off-season. It is critical to their short and long term chances.


  55. 56 Berigan, the WORM!!!!!! September 9, 2008 at 1:09 pm

    Pitching??? Come on V, all great teams are based on bashers, and bashers only. Give me 8 Adam Dunns, and I’ll give you a winner!


  56. 57 Berigan, the WORM!!!!!! September 9, 2008 at 1:10 pm

    Did you buy it, for a sec at least???


  57. 58 Berigan, the WORM!!!!!! September 9, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    V, I hope all these guys turn into legit starting pitchers. I just don’t know right now. Morton looked GREAT to me his first start, then less and less good after that. Jo-Jo has had his moments, but he seems to have to be darn near perfect, to have success. His stuff doesn’t impress, IMHO…and he was our stud pitcher, we heard for so long. Meanwhile, teams like AZ draft guys like Max Scherzer , with real, overpowering stuff. Red Sox have people like Jon Lester, Papelbon, Clay Buchholz , because they paid a stiff price, even though they don’t get early round picks. Detroit has done the same thing. Jurrjens stuff would have been too good for us to consider. 🙄

    And Jurrjens arm might fall off. He’s pitched a ton of innings this year, and clearly Bobby ain’t going to rest him.

    Do I sound bitter at all??

    I hear good things about Tommy Hanson, DOB thinks he will get a chance right out of spring training….don’t know much about Kris Medlen, but sounds like you have read good things about him. I see he’s 5 ’10, 175. No doubt a fireballer!!! 😉

    This has been mentioned before, but who was the last starter we developed??? Wainwright????


  58. 59 Voice of Raisins September 9, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    The last starter we developed that has had any measure of success would be Kevin Millwood. Wainwright doesn’t count; he came up elsewhere.

    JJ’s only pitched 170 innings this year and should get 4 more starts, I think. At any rate, If he’s going to be the top shelf starter we all want, he has to be able to go 200+ per season. He has to work toward that now.

    Kris Medlen (I misspelled it earlier) was selected by the Atlanta Braves in the 10th round of the 2006 First-Year Player Draft.

    Highlites from 2007: Appeared in a combined 38 games between Class A Rome, Class A Advanced Myrtle Beach and Double-A Mississippi. … Owns a career 1.17 ERAand 99 strikeouts in 69 innings pitched over two Minor League seasons. … Pitched at a 0.00 ERA and converted six saves in as many opportunities en route to being named the June pitcher of the month for Rome. … Ranked sixth among Minor League relievers with 11 saves. … Selected to the South Atlantic League All-Star team. … Was a perfect 7-for-7 in save conversions from May 29-June 22 with Rome. … Did not allow an earned run in final 15 appearances with Rome. … Struck out six in two innings to earn the save on June 14. … Of his 38 combined appearances, did not record a strikeout in only four contests. … Posted a 1.88 ERA(14 1/3 innings/three earned runs) with 27 strikeouts in 11 appearances for the Honolulu of the Hawaiian winter league. … Averaged nearly two strikeouts per inning in 11 appearances (14 1/3 innings).
    Was named by Baseball Americaas the 28th-best Braves prospect. … Named by the organization as the Danville Pitcher of the Month in August after going 1-0 with six saves and giving up five hits with 20 strikeouts over 11 2/3 scoreless innings. … Starred in the Appy League Championship Series, picking up a save with a scoreless inning in Game 1. … Then, entered in the bottom sixth of the deciding Game 3 with a runner on second and two outs of a tied game and proceeded to strikeout the final four batters in a row (on 12 pitches) to pick up the win after Danville’s go-ahead home run in the top of the seventh inning. … Led the team with 10 saves, good for tied for third in the league.

    2008: He made 19 appearances as a reliever, going 1-3 with a 4.70 ERA with 30 K’s against only 6 BB’s in 30.2 innings. Batters hit .306 against him. So, what’d they do? They made him a starter. In 17 starts, he’s 6-5 with a 3.11 ERA and 90 K’s to 21 BB’s in 89.2 innings. Batters are hitting only .255 against him as a starter. He was named Southern League Pitcher of the Week on 7/14/08. He struck out 10 Carolina Mudcats over six scoreless innings on Aug. 22, one of 10 starts in which he has pitched at least six innings. Thanks to this strong second half, he finds himself on Baseball America’s Prospect Hot List.

    I am still efforting to find out what he throws… you know, pitches… velocity…


  59. 60 Voice of Raisins September 9, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    MiLB.com reports Medlen will play for the Mesa Solar Sox in the Arizona Fall League.


  60. 61 Voice of Raisins September 9, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    Two other pitchers in the same rotation with Medlen at Pearl are Todd Redmond (13-5, 3.52 ERA) and Tommy Hanson (8-4, 3.03 ERA).


  61. 62 Voice of Raisins September 9, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    Kris Medlen has the potential to anchor the Braves’ rotation someday, but it likely won’t be as soon as next season. –Mark Bowman, mlb.com


  62. 63 Voice of Raisins September 9, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    Medlen was drafted out of Santa Ana JUCO in California where he was a switch-hitting SS. He was apparently scouted by some pro teams as a SS. He was a closer in Rookie and A ball.


  63. 64 Voice of Raisins September 9, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    Fastball, changeup, curve… still looking for velocity…


  64. 65 flbravesgirl September 9, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    Thank you, my dears. CL, I’ll always come back, this is home. It’s just that there are still some people over there I’d like to talk to, like NCScoots (who welcomed me back enthusiastically. nice of him to remember).

    I’m with you, VOR. Pitching, pitching, pitching. Develop the kids we’ve got to the best of their abilities & draft all the pitchers you can get your hands on ( Bobby did a good job of that as GM).


  65. 66 Voice of Raisins September 9, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    Medlen’s 8/27 start: 6 IP, 5 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 8 K… and got the win, as Mississippi clinched the second half title.

    His last two starts of their regular season: 12 IP, 8 H, 1 ER, 2 BB, 18 K.


  66. 67 Voice of Raisins September 9, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    “He had a great year, an unbelievable year. If you watched him pitch this year, you believed why he had an unbelievable year. His stuff was just phenomenal. He was throwing the ball 92-94 every time out there. He spotted his fastball. The curveball… no one touched it. It’s an above average curveball. When he throws it, you’re in the dugout and you go up and down with it. It’s that sharp. It’s fun. He has fun playing the game. As a coach, you’re right along with him having fun too. It was a joy to watch that pitch all year long. He’s also got a changeup.”
    -Doug Henry, pitching coach at A Rome last year


  67. 68 Berigan, the WORM!!!!!! September 9, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    V man, thanks for digging up the 411 on Kris Medlen! Man, if he can throw 92-94 at his size, that’s pretty good!


  68. 69 Berigan, the WORM!!!!!! September 9, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    Jurrjens will probably be ok, but everything I have heard of late talks about guys under 24 should not increase their innings more than 30 innings per year. I think we all forget how very young he is. Only 22. When he had the blister problem earlier in the year, he was expected to pitch thru it, and it took spraining his ankle to skip a start. You don’t need a guy that young and gifted to try to change grips, whatever to keep on pitching.

    You know what I am going to say when it comes to young pitchers used like grizzled vets, Steve Avery.


  69. 70 Voice of Raisins September 9, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    I was trying to find his shoe size and favorite breakfast cereal, but I came up short… 😦

    Sorry, y’all… 😀


  70. 71 flbravesgirl September 9, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    Avery… 😦 All those what-ifs…


  71. 72 Voice of Raisins September 9, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    Gotta go. Real life calls….

    Later, taters —->


  72. 73 Carolina Lady September 9, 2008 at 5:12 pm

    FBG, invite Scoots to come visit us! I always liked him, too.


  73. 74 Berigan, the WORM!!!!!! September 9, 2008 at 6:55 pm

    Strange, Infante is starting at second, and the hot hitting Prado and KJ are going to sit?


  74. 75 Savannah Guy September 9, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    It’s 9:00. Do you know where your children are?

    Or was that 10:00?

    I’ll check back.


  75. 76 Gil in Mechanicsville September 9, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    On Charlie Morton…. Does anyone remember the what I said about the expectations being a bit too high for Charlie when he came up and compared him to the hype associated with Steve Avery. Charlie will be a good starter some day and shows promise but he is still a young pitcher. It is way too much to put on a 24 year old kid to be the savior of the franchise. The only thing you are going to wind up with is a guy who has his career cut short because some dufuss thinks the guy is expendable.


  76. 77 Savannah Guy September 9, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    Charlie has tons of talent. If he can get his head in the right place, his confidence and his emotions in check, he could be another Maddux. Then again, 90% of pitching is mental, half the time.


  77. 78 flbravesgirl September 9, 2008 at 11:45 pm

    Amazing. One of those lucky breaks finally went the Braves’ way.


  78. 79 Voice of Raisins September 9, 2008 at 11:53 pm

    I missed it. I caught one at bat and that was Jeff’s double to center. He’s lost weight, relaxed a bit, and is starting to finally hit a little…


  79. 80 flbravesgirl September 10, 2008 at 12:15 am

    Bucholz balked in the winning run in the 10th, VOR. Sounds like a way the Braves would lose a game instead of win 1, doesn’t it?


  80. 81 flbravesgirl September 10, 2008 at 12:18 am

    Judging by today’s AJC article, Smoltz’s shoulder is feeling better & he’s planning on pitching again. He didn’t come right out & say it but he hinted around in that sly way he does.


  81. 82 Voice of Raisins September 10, 2008 at 7:50 am

    I heard Smoltz on the Braves radio broadcast last night. Interesting that I listened to him so intently that I didn’t even hear the game going on behind him.

    He is livid about the Atlanta Magazine story that blew up into national headlines. He also made it clear he intends to finish his career in Atlanta. He talked with excited anxiousness about being able to play toss in a couple of weeks. He basically said that the prognosis is that he’ll know by spring if he can pitch again. He says he knows his body well enough that he’ll know when he starts playing toss in a couple of weeks. Interesting, too, that he dismissed the notion that Braves management is “dissing” him by not already talking about ’09. He calls himself an unknown and says they’d be crazy to talk about next year with him yet.

    He is an absolutely fascinating guy.

    B, you’ll love this… Lemmer asked him if Bobby should be resting some of these guys now, like Jurrjens, since the Braves are just playing out the string. He quite vehemently replied that Bobby should NOT. He said that when he and Glav came up, they were in just this type situation, but it was in September, in the grueling part of a long and lost season, that they learned so much.


  82. 84 Gil in Mechanicsville September 10, 2008 at 7:58 am

    Good morning ya’ll… Yes, what an interesting win for the Braves last night. Just reinforces one of those 17 ways you can score from third… I wonder if anyone has ever come up with all the ways you can’t score? I think the Braves have touched on all those too….


  83. 85 Voice of Raisins September 10, 2008 at 8:49 am

    Provided less than 24 hours to get nervous, (James) Parr had little trouble while limiting the Nationals to two hits over six scoreless innings during a successful Major League debut on Thursday.

    Parr will be looking for similar success when he takes the mound to oppose the Rockies at Turner Field on Wednesday night.

    “It’s just another dinner on my plate that I’m hungry for,” said Parr, who is dead-set on providing nothing but clichés during the first few months of his career while proving he’s not just some Minor League addition. -Mark Bowman

    Eat, big boy, eat…


  84. 86 Voice of Raisins September 10, 2008 at 8:57 am

    Noted sports orthopedist Dr. James Andrews of Birmingham, Ala., on Monday confirmed inflammation in Rangers C Jarrod Saltalamacchia’s elbow, which had been diagnosed by team orthopedist Dr. Keith Meister a week ago. While there is inflammation around the key ulnar collateral ligament, there does not appear to be any damage to the ligament. Saltalamacchia will rest the elbow for six weeks and then be re-evaluated. The doctors are optimistic Saltalamacchia will be able to play some winter ball. — Dallas Morning News


  85. 87 Carolina Lady September 10, 2008 at 10:50 am

    After collecting more than 1,700 broken bats over 21/2 months, Major League Baseball officials have started meeting with manufacturers to discuss quality control.


  86. 88 Berigan, the WORM!!!!!! September 10, 2008 at 10:57 am

    Good morning everyone!
    V, believe it or not, I heard some of the Smoltz interview as well! Well, I guess it’s not too shocking, but still…. 😉
    He is very interesting, that is for sure! I’m so sorry Grinch caught him on a bad day, cuz he really seems like a cool, easy to talk to guy. Of course, nowadays, everyone probably tries to stop and talk to him, and he’d never get home if he did that…
    Pete said he knew how much this upset him, from the way his voice sounded. He and Mark were very much on his side.

    I missed the part about Smoltz thinking a guy needs to grind thru a September when young….

    I used to think folks overdid the talk of young players having their arms injured….to give credit where credit is due, Lew talked about this in 2006, or 2007, and I mentioned how some folks, AKA Bob Feller, did pretty well pitching a ton of innings as a teenager….Of course, just looking at his numbers, he was pretty much done as a power pitcher at the age of 29, and his last excellent year was at the age of 32….
    Whereas Warren Spahn didn’t really pitch because of WW2 til he was 25, and pitched til the age of 44…
    Anyway, long story short, when you see what has happened to Mark Prior and Kerry Wood, two guys that looked to be superstars, and had solid motions…or Dwight Gooden, who pitched 279 innings at the age of 20. and was more or less washed up at 28(It wasn’t Coke that made his fastball die) Avery as mentioned above…and now I am all for coddling guys 24 and under.

    Today, Justin Verlander is not the pitcher he was just a couple years ago. He pitched 122 innings in the minors in 2005(At the age of 22) then 206 innings in 2006 between the regular season and the playoffs…doesn’t sound real bad does it??? But, between jumping 80 innings from one year to the next, and every game being so important during a playoff run….well, his 101 fastball is now 95-96 most starts, and at 25, may never be that elite pitcher again.

    Well, I have gone a long way to “argue” that JJ should be rested, even though his innings didn’t jump a whole lot from one year to the next. I get the feeling that Bobby , et al, feel that pitch count is the big deal.

    It’s just that JJ is 22, and the season is over. All the talk about Morton, Reyes, Hansen, etc…well, they haven’t proved a thing at this level, and I just would rather JJ shut it down this year, and pitch deeper into a September that might matter, in the future.

    And we all know what pull I have with the team, so I expect this to happen yesterday! 😛


  87. 89 Berigan, the WORM!!!!!! September 10, 2008 at 11:03 am

    Top a post this length SG! 🙂


  88. 90 Berigan, the WORM!!!!!! September 10, 2008 at 11:06 am

    Or….top a post of this length, SG! 🙄


  89. 91 Voice of Raisins September 10, 2008 at 11:08 am

    Did you hear Smoltz’s take on pitch counts? He is very much against pitch counts. He says pitch counts alone cannot determine the stress on a pitchers arm, rather the type of pitches and situation of pitches factors in as well. He said that 98 “stressful” pitches can cause alot more wear than 140 “easy” pitches. He went on to say something to the effect that reliever-A can come in to start an inning and pitch to 3 batters, say 15 pitches, and be done. Reliever-B can come in with bases loaded, pitch to 3 batters, say also 15 pitches, and be done. He says the same 15 pitches from reliever-B are more stressful to the arm than those of reliever-A.


  90. 92 Gil in Mechanicsville September 10, 2008 at 11:15 am

    VOR… A good point about the variables often overlooked. I never really thought about it but it is true, how else could Tim Wakefield or even old Phil Neikro sustained their careers ?

    I guess that is the difference in a kid who learns how to pitch rather than a hurler with great stuff being effective.


  91. 93 Berigan, the WORM!!!!!! September 10, 2008 at 11:39 am

    And how many operations has Mr. Smoltz had on his elbow and shoulder? 😉

    Actually, I think that’s a good point…probably a reason why a lot of closers don’t last all that long. Bobby Thigpen anyone????

    And don’t the Japanese pitchers throw a ton of pitches???

    Clearly, we don’t understand everything that does and does not damage arms.

    I still think starting very slowly, stretching gently, before throwing as hard as you can, would do wonders.

    Even as a younger, dumber berigan, I remember being disgusted by talk of how Mark Wohlers was able to be completely warmed up in just a few pitches….


  92. 94 Voice of Raisins September 10, 2008 at 11:53 am


    Warmed up quickly, flamed out quicker…


  93. 95 Berigan, the WORM!!!!!! September 10, 2008 at 12:22 pm

    Better to burn out, then fade away!!!! 😛


  94. 96 Gil in Mechanicsville September 10, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    The problem Mark Wholers faced was he kept complaining there was something wrong but the Braves kept insisting it was not physical. (Well, it didn’t show up on the MRI) … History shows us there was indeed damage in his elbow and MRIs are not an exact science.


  95. 97 Hillbilly September 10, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    ‘Cause Rust Never Sleeps.


  96. 98 Berigan, the WORM!!!!!! September 10, 2008 at 4:46 pm

    Like A Really Bad Disney Movie’: Actor Matt Damon Condemns Sarah Palin
    It’s amazing how sexist some folks sound/are, and yet they would be taken aback by you calling them sexist….



  97. 99 flbravesgirl September 10, 2008 at 4:55 pm

    Sorry I missed all the Smoltz interviews. Aside from the interesting subject matter, I just enjoy listening to him. Hope he wants to be a broadcaster when he hangs up the glove & spikes.

    I’ll have to catch up on the articles later. Busy day here. Triple chocolate chip cookie anyone? I made about 10 dozen.


  98. 100 Berigan, the WORM!!!!!! September 10, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    FLB, I agree about Smoltz. I really hope he can come back and have a good year next year….but, if he can’t the consolation prize is him being in the broadcast booth….

    Triple Chocolate chip cookies??? I have od’ed on chocolate cake I made for my Dad’s birthday, and it still sounds good. There is no such thing as too much chocolate! 😀

    I often wonder if people on drugs know how very good chocolate is…..and cheaper.


  99. 101 Berigan, the WORM!!!!!! September 10, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    From Joe Heyman column…

    Jamie Moyer, 45, ran into the man who signed him back in 1984, Cubs scout Billy Blitzer, at Shea Stadium on Sunday, before Moyer shut down the Mets. Blitzer recalled that he signed Moyer for $12,000 after Moyer, a sixth-round draft choice, wanted $15,000. Back then, Blitzer recalled, teams fought over as little as $500. Times have obviously changed. And, as Blitzer said, “He’s made up that three thousand dollars since then.” And then some.


  100. 102 Carolina Lady September 10, 2008 at 6:37 pm


    The newest virus circulating is the ‘UPS Delivery Failure’. You will
    receive an email from UPS Packet Service along with a packet number. NOTE: The word packet is mis-spelled on this line.

    It will say that they were unable to deliver a package sent to you on such and such a date. It then asks you to print out the invoice copy attached.


    Pass this warning on to all your PC operators at work and home. This virus has caused millions of dollars in damage in the past few days.

    Check it out with snopes:



  101. 103 Savannah Guy September 10, 2008 at 6:52 pm

    Greeting Stuffettes and Stuffites. It’s been a week. sigh.

    Berigan, the Matt Damon link has either crashed, been taken off or whatever. Everything starts to show up and then it turns into gobbledegook. It’s not my computer or browser because all the other links pop right up. Maybe Damon’s publicist had the clip removed. Maybe somebody hacked it. Maybe it just imploded due to the hate rants there. So many possibilities.

    Maybe Matt caught the UPS delivery virus thing CL was talking about. Sweet.


  102. 104 Berigan, the WORM!!!!!! September 10, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    SSG, it might have been overwhelmed at the time, seems to work now….


  103. 105 Berigan, the WORM!!!!!! September 10, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    the link I meant….


  104. 106 Carolina Lady September 10, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    Matt Damon is just another millionaire Hollywood zero. Who cares what he says.

    NBC News (Brian Williams) just had a hate piece on Palin. They don’t even bother to try to disguise it anymore. Instead of a military coup d’etat, we have one by the media.

    Been raining cats and dogs here today! And I’m thankful for every drop!

    Chocolate nut sundae (it’s Carvel’s 2-for-1 Wednesday). Big is beautiful, right?? Right?


  105. 107 Carolina Lady September 10, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    That clip is a hoot!!! He starts out saying he doesn’t know anything about her – then spends the next 4 minutes trashing her. Damon: “I want to know, I REALLY want to know if she thinks there were dinosaurs here 4,000 years ago. Because she’s going to have the nuclear codes.”



  106. 108 Savannah Guy September 10, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    Just checked back on the clip. It’s still screwed up. Comes up and starts to frame the clip then turns into a bunch of horizontal lines. The only words on the page are, “DemoMarxist Party”. Seriously. Maybe it’s a pc-only site. But this time the voice from the Damon clip could be heard so I listened.

    That young man probably means well… he is talented, good looking, rich and just smart enough to read, talk reasonably well and gulp Kool-Aid. He is a useful idiot.


  107. 109 Carolina Lady September 10, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    This is the funniest news clip I think I’ve ever seen! (from Australia)

    (“It’s a Clarke and Dawe comedy sketch from the early 90s”…..who are Clark and Dawe??)


  108. 110 Gil in Mechanicsville September 10, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    I didn’t think it would be possible but NBC has finally managed to run me off… When you know the are biased, you can no longer trust them to accurately report the news.

    Oh well… Braves WIN!!!! 🙂


  109. 111 Carolina Lady September 10, 2008 at 10:25 pm

    Ok, I’m hooked on these guys!


  110. 112 flbravesgirl September 10, 2008 at 10:57 pm

    Nice comeback after the mini-implosion by the bullpen. It really stinks that they blew Parr’s win though, he pitched great.


  111. 113 Gil in Mechanicsville September 10, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    Parr for the course I’m afraid…


  112. 114 Carolina Lady September 10, 2008 at 11:06 pm

    Gil, 😆

    Hey, FBG! Those cookies sounded terrific! 10 DOZEN??? Mercy!


  113. 115 Gil in Mechanicsville September 10, 2008 at 11:06 pm

    When they brought in Boyer, I knew the shutout was gone… Just saying…

    Still they don’t have a clue about the wasteland called Anwar… Suck it dry folks…


  114. 116 Gil in Mechanicsville September 10, 2008 at 11:07 pm



  115. 117 flbravesgirl September 10, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    Well, they’re to feed all of the employees where my sister works. They are having a big cookout tomorrow to celebrate a successful state survey (it’s like a yearly inspection for nursing homes. very very tough & in-depth.)


  116. 118 flbravesgirl September 10, 2008 at 11:49 pm

    😦 Really sad article about Moylan on ajc (sorry, I’m not good with links) talking about how he’s coming back well from TJ surgery but having a tough time because he’s going through a divorce. He’s really missing his daughters. Makes me feel bad ’cause he seems like such a good guy. Sometimes we focus too much on all the money & perks of the ballplayers’ lives & forget that the travel & demands on their time can be very stressful on them & their families.


  117. 119 Gil in Mechanicsville September 11, 2008 at 2:01 am

    Especially when said family is 10,000 miles away… What price success?


  118. 120 Voice of Raisins September 11, 2008 at 8:22 am

    Heck, I sorely miss my kids when they are at school!


  119. 121 Voice of Raisins September 11, 2008 at 8:25 am

    High school for gay students proposed in Chicago


    Oh, geez…


  120. 122 Voice of Raisins September 11, 2008 at 8:28 am

    Smoltz says checkup with doctor ‘went great’
    The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
    Wednesday, September 10, 2008

    Braves pitcher John Smoltz said before his visit to Dr. James Andrews in Birmingham on Wednesday that he was confident he would be cleared to increase the level of his rehab work. And he was right.

    “Everything went great,” Smoltz said in a text message after his exam. “We are stepping up the program.”

    Smoltz said the timetable still calls for him to begin light throwing in October. He believes he’ll know within 20 days of resuming throwing whether he’ll be able to continue his pitching career.

    He’s not under contract after this season, but Smoltz and the Braves are expected to work out a deal if he’s able to pitch.

    General manager Frank Wren said Thursday the Braves would like to have Smoltz back, but said that it was too early to discuss a contract.


  121. 123 Voice of Raisins September 11, 2008 at 8:31 am

    Cox not ready to call it a career
    By Mark Bradley
    The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

    Attention, bashers: You will — repeat, will — have Bobby Cox to kick around next season. As much as he hates losing, he loves his job more.

    “Nothing will change my mind about returning — not winning, not losing,” Cox said Wednesday. “It’s still fun for me. Being here is fun.”

    Get used to it…


  122. 124 Voice of Raisins September 11, 2008 at 8:35 am

    More excerpts from Bobby:

    “We have a lot to do during the winter,” Cox said. More to do than ever before? “I think so … We’re going to have money. We’ll spend until we’re at the top of the budget.”

    Will the recently frugal Braves actually buy a big-ticket free agent? “We are going to try to do that, I can tell you. And trades, too. Frank [Wren, the general manager] will pursue every angle on free agents and trades.”


    Asked specifically about Charlie Morton, the heralded rookie who carries a 6.32 ERA, Cox said: “Some of the young guys have got to prove they can stay here.”

    Asked if he’s worried about his outfield, Cox didn’t answer. The interrogator reframed the question: Could the outfield use another bat? “That’s a better way to put it,” Cox said. “We could use another bat.”


  123. 125 Voice of Raisins September 11, 2008 at 8:38 am

    It’s 7 years after today…



  124. 126 Voice of Raisins September 11, 2008 at 8:48 am

    Moment of silence, folks.




  125. 127 Voice of Raisins September 11, 2008 at 8:49 am

    “ I lift up my eyes to the hills— where does my help come from? My help comes from the LORD, the Maker of heaven and earth.” (Psalm 121:1-2)


  126. 128 Voice of Raisins September 11, 2008 at 8:50 am

    7 years after, the tears come just as easily…


  127. 129 Carolina Lady September 11, 2008 at 9:00 am

    September 11, 2001

    One scene I’ll never forget is Mayor Rudy Guilliani walking out through the dust and rubble. Suddenly hearing jets overhead, everyone stopped in their tracks and looked up. Also looking, Guilliani said, “They’re ours!”

    Never in even the wildest dreams did I ever think I would hear that line spoken for real in the United States.

    7 Dec 1941 and 11 Sep 2001. Two Days of Infamy. Never forget!


  128. 130 Voice of Raisins September 11, 2008 at 9:04 am

    (Mike) Hampton has had four quality starts in his past five outings. He is throwing strikes again – 12 walks in the past 44 innings – and sinking the fastball.

    Atlanta manager Bobby Cox said Hampton is “getting close, really close” to being what he once was. Braves pitching coach Roger McDowell said Hampton has shown the arm works well again, but he must scrape off more rust.

    “I’ve still got a ways to go,” Hampton said. “I haven’t pitched in three years, so it takes some time. But I do feel like I’m getting closer, each and every outing.

    “I feel like I’ve been rehabbing for three years for this moment. To be able to go out and compete again, that’s a very gratifying feeling.”

    Hampton acknowledged these starts serve as an audition for every major league team… The taste this season has convinced Hampton that he wants to continue pitching.

    Re-signing with the Braves is a possibility. Hampton is well-regarded in the clubhouse, third baseman Chipper Jones said, and the rotation is thin.

    Cox said the Braves could need to add as many as four starting pitchers in the offseason. Hampton’s injury history will factor into the Braves’ decision.

    “Hopefully, I can impress enough teams so that someone will take a shot,” Hampton said. –Gerry Fraley, Rocky Mountain News


  129. 131 Voice of Raisins September 11, 2008 at 9:05 am

    7 Dec 1941 and 11 Sep 2001. Two Days of Infamy. Never forget!

    Especially on election day!


  130. 133 Gil in Mechanicsville September 11, 2008 at 9:14 am

    Josie and I are watching some of the footage of the towers from 9/11… Still makes me angry to the point I still think we should have turned most of the middle east into a parking lot…..

    As for Pakistan harboring terrorist, if they are not willing to clear out that den of thieves then level that place too….


  131. 135 Voice of Raisins September 11, 2008 at 9:57 am

    The ajc buried their “remembrance” of 9/11 under their other headlines, such as:

    *DeKalb may curb student bus rides
    County may end service to magnet, other choice schools.

    *755 Club discrimination alleged
    Employees say race, sex, age kept them from promotions.

    *Boy shot while watching TV

    *NAACP wants schools chief out

    *Hidden shotgun found at airport

    The “major networks” failed to cover the nations moment of silence… When will they pull their heads out of the desert sand?


  132. 136 Carolina Lady September 11, 2008 at 10:20 am

    Raisins, I just don’t understand the media’s total hatred of their own country. If it is destroyed, they are destroying themselves, too, and they don’t understand that. Makes no sense. Thank God they were not here in 1941! They would have been howling that the Japanese attack was the US’ fault – somehow. All-out global war? Never happen. Most of Europe would be speaking German now.

    I can just hear today’s ‘media’ reporting during those war years. 🙄

    I was just reading this:
    “In a gooey Boston Globe puff piece on Maddow, MSNBC prime-time boss Bill Wolff declared his network is a brand for “high-powered intellects … I’m not saying we’re NPR, but there is an appetite for really smart discussion of the news.””

    In other words, we low-level, unwashed masses are simply too stupid for them; one is required to be in the “intelligent” elite class ( read: very rich liberal) to understand their positions. They’ve just insulted a huge majority of Americans and don’t care if you know it.


  133. 137 Berigan, the WORM!!!!!! September 11, 2008 at 10:42 am

    I saw the news last night as well….and everyone, even that dim bulb O’Reilly said there was nothing to the pig with lipstick on it comment….I cannot, CANNOT believe Obama, or his scriptwriters wouldn’t have thought what everyone’s mind would would immediately go using that word.
    And the part that everyone cut out, was the audience’s reaction, they started to taunt Gov. Palin.
    And then the mass media talked about how how McCain had used this very same comment, when referring to a proposal of Hillary’s!!! You dumb___’s, she never made a comment about the difference between a hockey Mom and a pitbull…..they really do insult our intelligence.


  134. 138 Berigan, the WORM!!!!!! September 11, 2008 at 10:59 am

    9-11….in some ways it’s hard for me to believe it’s been 7 years…in other ways, I guess I am like a lot of folks, and it seems like 20 years ago.
    Gil, I sure know what you mean about the anger when you see footage of the attacks…well, what they will show us. I heard Glen Beck talk about how much trouble he had with CNN getting footage of the Towers coming down for a show, perhaps last year. Had to go all the way up to the President, and then it could only be shown behind him on a screen while he was talking.
    Might upset the families of the victims is the BS argument.

    Somehow, I don’t think anyone worried about this in WW2, and showed the destruction of Pearl Harbor more than the weeks after the attack.

    “They” know that people get upset, they get angry when they see this, and might want us to go all out to destroy terrorists, wherever they hide….and that would be wrong! 🙄

    Gil, I think President Bush showed great restraint after 9-11….he could have turned half the middle east into glass, and there’d have been less anger than going into Iraq later on….

    I have said if for years, until we are attacked again, people will just have an out of site, out of mind reaction to those who want us dead….


  135. 139 Berigan, the WORM!!!!!! September 11, 2008 at 11:10 am

    Anyone notice what the Astros have done of late???


    By Mark Simon, ESPN
    On July 27, the Astros were in last place in the National League Central, trailing even the Pirates. Six weeks later, they’re no longer a laughingstock. Instead, they may be this year’s version of the Rockies.

    The Astros have won 13 of 14 after beating the Pirates again on Wednesday, and are now even with the Phillies, four games behind the Brewers in the NL wild-card race.

    What has been the key to their success? Roy Oswalt and Jose Valverde have basically been unhittable. Even without Carlos Lee, the offense has clicked, with Geoff Blum, Ty Wigginton and Miguel Tejada, who belted a grand slam in Wednesday’s win, picking up the slack.

    Astros, since July 27

    • Have gone 32-11.

    • Wigginton (32) and Blum (29) lead the team in RBIs.

    • Are now 16-2 record in games started by Oswalt and Randy Wolf. Oswalt alone is 7-1 with a 2.20 ERA.

    • Valverde and LaTroy Hawkins have allowed one run in 34 2/3 innings. Valverde has 16 saves during the hot streak.

    • Won all four extra-inning games they’ve played.

    • Posted a 22-8 record without Lee.
    Other interesting stuff on this page as well…


  136. 140 Berigan, the WORM!!!!!! September 11, 2008 at 11:17 am

    I see MSNBC is running the footage(Like they seem to do every year) from 9-11. I assume they showed from before the buildings came down??? Good for them if they did….


  137. 141 Gil in Mechanicsville September 11, 2008 at 11:25 am

    MSNBC has been replaying the broadcast of 9/11 as it occurred. Very interesting. I was at work on the morning of the attack and had not listened to the live telecast.


  138. 142 Berigan, the WORM!!!!!! September 11, 2008 at 11:25 am

    Kelly Johnson hit .235 in April, .355 in May, .250 in June, .224 in July, .237 in August, .486 so far in September. He has a .280 average right now.

    4 full months of .250 or lower average. I’d still like to see him moved. A bit too streaky if you only hit in the first and last month of the season. Should at least make him a bit more valuable.

    I just wish Prado could get some more AB’s(I know you don’t take a guy hitting over .400 for the month out now) and see if he could play everyday, and hit….he’s still just 24.


  139. 143 Voice of Raisins September 11, 2008 at 11:38 am

    The Giants seem to be surging with their kids in the lineup.

    I’m just sayin’…


  140. 144 Berigan, the WORM!!!!!! September 11, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    V, I’m all for that….I just don’t know that is part of the braves mindset. Kotsay had a terrible year in 2007, but it fit the way braves feel about outfielders…any veteran is better than trying out a guy who hasn’t proven himself at the ML level.

    I don’t feel Josh Anderson will have a shot next year. Brandon Jones won’t have a shot next year. Schafer, might have a shot.

    And Mr. Gloomy(Me!) still wonders how we can attract good free agents, when we are a team almost 20 games under .500. Why would CC, Sheets, or Lowe(Who has said he would prefer to play on the east coast) come here???

    The only people we might be able to sign are guys who are from the south, or are Tex like…whoever has the most money, wins….


  141. 145 Berigan, the WORM!!!!!! September 11, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    And Mr. Optimism (Me!) is glad that James Parr has gotten off to such a great start! 12 innings, only 7 hits, and no runs??? Wow!


  142. 146 Voice of Raisins September 11, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    B, a quote from a recent Bobby interview:

    Barring a major acquisition, who would be his 2009 center fielder? “Hmmm,” he said. “Blanco or Anderson.” What of the prospect Jordan Schafer? “He missed an awful lot of games this year. He’s going to play winter ball.”


  143. 147 Voice of Raisins September 11, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    So, you wonder how we will attract free agents after a sub-par 2008? The same way we did after a sub-par 1983-1990:



  144. 148 Gil in Mechanicsville September 11, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    The wife observed last night that she liked Parr’s approach to pitching. She said he did not nibble at the strike zone but went after batters ala Greg Maddux. Not that he has the control of Maddux but he is young and has the right mindset…


  145. 149 Gil in Mechanicsville September 11, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    Raisins… I predict that Shaffer will begin his career in Atlanta in Gwinnette… I doubt he is really ready to make a big impact. Of course, much depends on Francoeur’s place of employment next season.


  146. 150 Voice of Raisins September 11, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    Gil, I agree 100% on Schafer.

    By the way, it’s hard to type when you’re eating Cheetos and don’t want to get the yellow goo all over the place…


  147. 151 Voice of Raisins September 11, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    Tazawa eyes place in major leagues
    Kyodo News

    Right-hander Junichi Tazawa, who helped Nippon Oil to its first title in 13 years at the national corporate baseball tournament that ended Tuesday, will try to sign with a major league club without playing in Japan, baseball sources said Wednesday.

    The highly unusual news came as a shock as the 22-year-old Tazawa was expected to draw the spotlight as the key figure in the first round of this year’s autumn amateur draft in Japanese baseball.

    Major league clubs, including the Boston Red Sox (and Atlanta Braves), appear to be interested in Tazawa.

    The right-hander throws a fastball over 150 kilometers per hour (93 mph) and also has a forkball and slider in his arsenal. Tazawa pitched in all five games of the national tournament, posting four wins to help lead Nippon Oil to its ninth overall crown and was named the tournament MVP.

    That’s right… I go across the globe to bring news to Stuffville. 😀


  148. 152 Voice of Raisins September 11, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    The Mets’ insurance policy does not cover Billy Wagner’s 2009 salary, meaning they are responsible for all $10.5 million. That makes it extraordinarily unlikely that they will pursue a high-priced closer like Francisco Rodríguez of the Angels. Wagner had reconstructive elbow surgery Wednesday at the Hospital for Special Surgery in Manhattan. – BEN SHPIGEL, NY Times

    Awwww… 😦



  149. 153 Savannah Guy September 11, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    Just returned from the funeral of a friend. Good service… sad day.

    Wanted to drop in and drop a line on this 9-11:

    God bless America, land of the free.


  150. 154 Voice of Raisins September 11, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    Very sorry about your friend, SG…


  151. 155 Berigan, the WORM!!!!!! September 11, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    SG, that is very sad, sorry about that…


  152. 156 Berigan, the WORM!!!!!! September 11, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    The Mets’ insurance policy does not cover Billy Wagner’s 2009 salary, meaning they are responsible for all $10.5 million. That makes it extraordinarily unlikely that they will pursue a high-priced closer like Francisco Rodríguez of the Angels. Wagner had reconstructive elbow surgery Wednesday at the Hospital for Special Surgery in Manhattan. – BEN SHPIGEL, NY Times

    V, that writer is as bad as the rest at the NYT….

    The Mets are moving into a new stadium, and I heard during a broadcast they have a new brand new tv deal….they will have all the money in the world, they can print money. They can get K-Rod if they want to…..


  153. 157 Voice of Raisins September 11, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    So, B…you still a worm?


  154. 158 Berigan, the WORM!!!!!! September 11, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    V, I also think more teams than ever are going to be on the hunt for players. Fortunately for us, the Marlins and Phils are very cheap teams, and likely won’t make much of a splash this off season. Milwaukee draws like crazy, but they are a “small market team” so they will lose there #1 and #2 starters and will likely trade Prince Fielder to get a starter like Matt Cain.

    Pirates, Cards, Reds, and Colorado, cheap, cheap, cheap, cheap as well. Houston will spend, might get Sheets. Nationals might spend, but no one is going to want to go there.

    Padres, Dodgers, AZ = Cheap. Giants will spend.

    But the AL. Yankees, new stadium, not going to the playoffs this year=spending like a drunken millionaire. Red Sox, if they somehow don’t get in the playoffs, or get knocked out early??? They will spend like crazy. Baltimore wants to spend like crazy. Toronto cheap, Tampa has to be cheap.

    Tigers might spend on pitching. Indians might try to get a bat. White sox seem to need an outfielder. Twins extremely cheap. KC not as cheap.

    Texas needs pitching, but has all sorts of prospects(got them from some somewhere) to trade, and have been burned in the free agent market before. Might take a chance on CC, I’d bet.
    Oakland is dirt cheap. Angels will spend, and usually has a surprise signing each off season. Mariners have money, but who would go there???

    Whew!!! Wrote whilst distracted!!!

    But, y’all get the message(And likely know what I just wrote, anywho)

    If we don’t beat other teams offers, they will sign with Yankees, Angels, Red Sox, or Baltimore first….

    Who was our last big free agent signing anyway???


  155. 159 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 11, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    V, sorta! 😀


  156. 160 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 11, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    V, following your post on Junichi Tazawa…

    As expected, amateur pitcher Junichi Tazawa has decided to forego Japanese baseball and sign with an MLB team. The Braves, Tigers, Red Sox, Pirates, Mets, and Yankees are thought to be in on him. Patrick Newman has a slew of links and videos on Tazawa here.

    Haven’t checked out the video yet, just like I haven’t checked out the links from CL yet…too many people around…..



  157. 161 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 11, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    Old Farmers Almanac: Global cooling may be underway


  158. 162 Salty September 11, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    I, too (dim-bulbed and all), don’t believe Obama meant anything whatsoever towards Palin. His failing, much like McCain’s mis-step that over $5 million is rich, is failing to recognize how the comment would be perceived. Both comments are non-issues from my perspective. Now, Fowler’s remark…that was brutal, but how do you ‘gag’ your supporters? I have plenty of reasons for how I vote…’dressed up pigs’ aren’t going to influence that! 😆


  159. 163 Savannah Guy September 11, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    Fellow Stuffians, dimwits, worms, bible-toters and old-school patriots:

    Since we are but mere Plebes to the intelligentsia, holding onto our bibles and guns as we do, we must accept the lowly position as the mass of the great unwashed. ‘They’ will tell us what we should read, see, believe and do with our lives. We are so fortunate to have such high-browed… uh, high-powered media marvels to explain it all to us.

    Whatever the case, one thing is certain: capitalism is evil. It’s greedy to want things. It’s selfish to be productive. As they say, America is the cause of all that is wrong in this world. We are imperialistic, oil hungry despots. We should be embarrassed of ourselves. The UN works against us and the many nations of the world despise us. Our media teachers and liberals have told us that, so it must be true. We are heathens. But they will surely save us from ourselves.

    Since socialism is the only humane way to live, according to them, I have a simple-minded question: when the evil ‘rich’ have moved their corporations offshore so as not to be taxed into bankruptcy and there are no jobs and the poor are still wards of the state, dependent on the inept welfare system, when the infrastructure is falling apart and the bloodthirsty military is dismantled and there are no jobs, no food, no way to defend our country, no God in our schools or our conversations and no hope for free enterprise or freedom… who will protect us? Who will have all the money? Who will have the guns? The food?

    Oh, maybe they just want us to not worry about mundane things like working and earning a living. How gauche. We should go completely green… walk to the garden that we grow and build our own sustainable shacks. All LEED constructed and certified of course.

    Hey, maybe they do care. They want to take us back to the good old days before all those gas-guzzling autos fouled the planet and allowed freedom of movement and mixing with others that lived more than 20 miles away. Yes… a utopian society that stays in its place. Now I’m beginning to understand.

    They merely want us to live the good, clean life. No need for education since they’ll take care of that on the evening news. Happy days will be here again! Come to think of it, they must just care about us. After all, we can’t be trusted to think for ourselves. They’ll do it all for us. They only seem biased, petty, obnoxious and condescending… but in real life they must have a deep concern for our welfare.

    But who will have all the money? Who will have private jets? Will they make movie prices cheap so we can get into the theatre? Will Hollywood boom again like they do every time we have a recession? Can we believe what the actors and directors think? Hopefully they’ll get to keep their money and jets. They work so hard and they are so much smarter than we are, so they deserve it. Right?

    So many questions… I wish they would clear up a few things about this socialism thing. Sounds so good and fair that we all share and no matter how much or how little we work, we’ll all struggle the same.

    Still, who will have the money? Maybe they’ll trickle some to us and tell us what to think abut all of this. That should clear everything up. Can’t wait to find out.


  160. 164 Savannah Guy September 11, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    Sometimes ‘stuff’ just comes out. 😀

    Braves are about to be in a primo position to play big time spoilers to the Mutts. Can’t wait… hope we single-handedly melt’em down again.


  161. 165 Carolina Lady September 11, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    Makes perfect sense to me! I think that’s been tried before, though….. Russia, was it? Eastern bloc???


  162. 166 Salty September 11, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    capitalism is evil
    Well…then so am I! 👿 Shamelessly so!


  163. 167 Gil in Mechanicsville September 11, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    “A young man who is not a socialist he has no heart, an old man who is not a capitalist has no head” Unknown…


  164. 168 Carolina Lady September 11, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    ajc: General manager Frank Wren said Thursday the Braves would like to have Smoltz back, but said that it was too early to discuss a contract.


  165. 169 Gil in Mechanicsville September 11, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    I am watching the Forum on National Service tonight on Fox…. I will just make this observation based on my 42 years of public service… The term government bureaucrat is synonymous with the word, bully… I shuddered every time I had to deal with one of those butt heads trying to tell me how to do something I had been doing for 20 years before they were born… Too many times bureaucrats are more interested in building their own little empire verses actually helping to get something done…


  166. 170 Gil in Mechanicsville September 11, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    Now baseball… Braves cannot lose tonight…


  167. 171 Gil in Mechanicsville September 11, 2008 at 10:22 pm

    Ta da…..


  168. 172 Gil in Mechanicsville September 11, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    Thought Gov Palin gave good account of herself tonight with Charles Gibson.. Too bad there is such media bias… We might actually have a good government.


  169. 173 Gil in Mechanicsville September 11, 2008 at 10:25 pm

    And so the Braves sweep the Rockies… Out of the race or no, winning never gets old….


  170. 174 Voice of Raisins September 11, 2008 at 10:35 pm

    They appear to be, dare I say, clicking right now. They are kinda fun to watch, and almost appear to be having fun themselves…


  171. 175 Gil in Mechanicsville September 11, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    No pressure… When you need that 2 foot putt for par verses dropping it in for a double bogey, it can get a bit tougher.

    Of course, Anderson has produced a much need spark but the real culprit for the demise of the Braves this year remains pitching. You just cannot be competitive when you have a bunch of first year hurlers trying to compete under pressure.


  172. 176 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 11, 2008 at 11:31 pm

    Well, was out and about this afternoon/evening…just heard a little of the game. Got to hear Frenchy strike out with the bases loaded. 🙄 I see he left 8 on base. Double 🙄 Even Pete and Lemke seem to be tired of that. His swing looks better, just needs to figure out they are not going to throw him more than one strike if he keeps swinging at everything.

    Anyway, that’s about all I heard. Great win! Yunel had a big game, first one in awhile it seems. When was the last time we swept anyone???


  173. 177 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 11, 2008 at 11:33 pm

    SG, your 7:18 post is spot on!!!


  174. 178 flbravesgirl September 12, 2008 at 12:43 am

    Was out this evening so I had to watch the game on DVR. Glad to see it was worth recording. VOR, I think they are having more fun now.


  175. 179 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 12, 2008 at 1:00 am

    Major League Baseball told their
    sport was invented in Surrey, not America

    Whatever….we know who really invented baseball, Abner Doubleday!!! 😉


  176. 180 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 12, 2008 at 1:09 am

    Help! A post of mine is lost in what is now known as the Saltyfilter!


  177. 181 Voice of Raisins September 12, 2008 at 7:56 am

    I thought Al Gore invented baseball! 😉


  178. 182 Voice of Raisins September 12, 2008 at 8:12 am

    It is my deep desire that our beloved Braves make their last trip to Shea and come away with a sweep, helping the Mess fall out of sole possession of 1st in the East. They enter tonight only 3 games ahead of the Philthies, whom I personally despise just a smidge less than the Mess. Another late season choke job by the Mess might be a small consolation in this otherwise long, lost season.


  179. 183 Hillbilly September 12, 2008 at 8:44 am

    I thought Al Gore invented baseball!

    I was thinking it was Jamie Moyer. ‘Bout the right time period, no?


  180. 184 Salty September 12, 2008 at 10:53 am

    I thought Al Gore invented baseball!

    Almost! Fantasy Baseball…had to have a reason for the internet! 😆
    And other ‘fantasies’, too!


  181. 185 Hillbilly September 12, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    The River here in my hometown finally crested today at 88.5 feet…10 feet above flood stage. All that water came from Gustav. Now it looks like Ike is going to turn this place into the city of Atlantis. I checked my deer trail camera today and all I had was pictures of 2 flathead catfish, a mermaid, and a loggerhead turtle. 😉


  182. 186 Voice of Raisins September 12, 2008 at 4:05 pm


    Was she cute? 😀


  183. 187 Voice of Raisins September 12, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    The mermaid, I mean…


  184. 188 Hillbilly September 12, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    This is South Arkansas, VOR. What do you think? 🙂


  185. 189 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 12, 2008 at 5:51 pm

    Hillbilly, it’s crazy how much rain your neck of the woods has been getting, and will continue to get….meanwhile, we in the ATL miss it all again… sigh…


  186. 190 Carolina Lady September 12, 2008 at 6:13 pm

    Here’s an interesting link – raw footage of Ike coverage. Has a bunch of stations on one page (draws a LOT of resources from the ‘puter). Click on the speaker icon to listen, click again to turn that one off.

    Hillbilly, 😆


  187. 191 Carolina Lady September 12, 2008 at 6:29 pm

    News anchor: “Stay with us and we’ll continue our continuous coverage of Hurricane Ike in just a moment.”


  188. 192 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 12, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    CL, 🙂 Bright bulbs readin’ those teleprompters….


  189. 193 Savannah Guy September 12, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    Good morning, good afternoon and good evening. Selfishly, I hope the game is PPD with a double header Sunday.

    A wise man once said, “when it’s raining, it’s best to go ahead and let it rain”.


  190. 194 Savannah Guy September 12, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    Just got a chuckle thinking about all those Mutts fans sitting out there in the rain waiting for the game to start. Sitting, waiting, getting soaked, stewing in their own juice, drinking, cussing, waiting…

    Maybe that’s mean, petty and childish, but it’s the Mutts, therefore… funny. 😆


  191. 195 Savannah Guy September 12, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    Watched an incredible 9-11 special on the History Channel last night. It was a documentary of multiple witnesses who videotaped the event. Each had their own perspective of the attack, each viewed the World Trade Center from a different vantage point and each captured the people, the city around them, the neighbors and such. It was captivating, horrible, touching, sweet and a myriad of other emotions and slices of life all at once.

    Couldn’t stop watching… more like, could avert my eyes from it, with jaw dropped through most of it.


  192. 196 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 12, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    Man, 6 games rained out, and I think only one of them is because of the hurricane!


  193. 197 flbravesgirl September 12, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    Evening y’all. Really bummed about the rainout since I’m sure I won’t see either game tomorrow.

    SG, I’ve found that it’s too painful for me to watch any of the footage. My sister & I were home that day & literally sat in front of the TV all day in this state of shock.


  194. 198 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 12, 2008 at 9:50 pm

    If anyone hears from buddies how McCain is a old poop, who doesn’t even send emails….

    Wondering No More [Jonah Goldberg]

    Yep. The day after 9/11, as part of its “get tough” makeover, the Obama campaign is mocking John McCain for not using a computer, without caring why he doesn’t use a computer. From the AP story about the computer illiterate ad:

    “Our economy wouldn’t survive without the Internet, and cyber-security continues to represent one our most serious national security threats,” [Obama spokesman Dan] Pfeiffer said. “It’s extraordinary that someone who wants to be our president and our commander in chief doesn’t know how to send an e-mail.”

    Well, I guess it depends on what you mean by “extraordinary.” The reason he doesn’t send email is that he can’t use a keyboard because of the relentless beatings he received from the Viet Cong in service to our country. From the Boston Globe (March 4, 2000):

    McCain gets emotional at the mention of military families needing food stamps or veterans lacking health care. The outrage comes from inside: McCain’s severe war injuries prevent him from combing his hair, typing on a keyboard, or tying his shoes. Friends marvel at McCain’s encyclopedic knowledge of sports. He’s an avid fan – Ted Williams is his hero – but he can’t raise his arm above his shoulder to throw a baseball.

    In a similar vein I guess it’s an outrage that the blind governor of New York David Patterson doesn’t know how to drive a car. After all, transportation issues are pretty important. How dare he serve as governor while being ignorant of what it’s like to navigate New York’s highways.



  195. 199 flbravesgirl September 12, 2008 at 9:58 pm

    Weird news of the day : A woman in Wisconsin stole her teenage daughter’s identity so she could go back to high school & be a cheerleader.

    A man in Florida was arrested after finding a nude boy in his teenage daughter’s room. He shouldn’t have hit the kid in the head with a pipe but IMO that is an appropriate time for a parental freakout.


  196. 200 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 12, 2008 at 10:04 pm

    FLB, it’s hard for me to watch as well. Sometimes I can, sometimes I can’t. It’s like footage of the holocaust. It just makes me want to beat the ___ out of someone. And I can’t.

    Anyone see the French documentary on a firehouse that ended up suffering loses during 9-11??? Even the film making brothers were split up, and didn’t know if either was alive for hours.

    Amazing to see footage from inside the towers before they came down later that day. They just look impervious to anything from within…


  197. 201 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 12, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    FLB, do you have links?? Can’t figure out how the Mom could do that!!!


  198. 202 flbravesgirl September 12, 2008 at 10:07 pm

    It’s on the ajc front page, Ber.


  199. 203 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 12, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    I want to see you post the links! 😀

    You CAN do it!


  200. 204 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 12, 2008 at 10:11 pm

    Man, need to get Chris back here so we can both give you grief! 😛


  201. 205 flbravesgirl September 12, 2008 at 10:12 pm

    OK, now I’m really ready to move. A short time ago Mom, Melissa & I heard something that sounded like several gunshots. Now there are 5 deputies out in the road talking to our neighbors. Mom just spoke to them, apparently there was a drive-by shooting 2 doors down. I’m just 😯 . This has always been a quiet street with a mix of families & retirees. I can’t believe this happened here. Anyone want to help me pack up?


  202. 206 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 12, 2008 at 10:19 pm

    Good grief FLB!!!!! That’s horrible! Neighborhoods can go south pretty quickly.
    You guys need to get out of there, the sooner the better!!!


  203. 207 flbravesgirl September 12, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    Unfortunately nothing’s selling & this sure won’t help the neighborhood. We already have the nicest house on the block & I’m not saying that to show off.


  204. 208 Savannah Guy September 12, 2008 at 10:29 pm

    I haven’t been able to watch any, or hardly any of the 9-11 footage since it happened. Must’ve just forced myself to start the program last night and then couldn’t tear myself away. I haven’t yet seen the movie of the flight… not sure when I’ll be able to do that.

    FBG, hopefully it’s just random and rare. Violence is literally everywhere. Be safe and always pay attention to strange goings on in the neighborhood.

    Since Klobber isn’t here, I’ll just add: go ahead… post that link. :mrgreen:


  205. 209 flbravesgirl September 12, 2008 at 10:43 pm

    We have a security system & I am very cautious. But it’s not like we have bullet-proof windows.


  206. 210 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 12, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    FLB, you guys already own that other house, right???? Might be time to just leave as soon as possible. I understand it is probably job related issues though….
    If it isn’t, rent that sucker or just leave it empty.


  207. 211 flbravesgirl September 12, 2008 at 10:57 pm

    Oh, yeah, we’ll have had it 2 years in Oct. Dad’s not retiring ’til the end of the year though.


  208. 214 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 13, 2008 at 2:06 am

    Well FLB, that’s a start! 😛
    Bobby Cox says Braves to pursue two starters….


  209. 215 Savannah Guy September 13, 2008 at 8:43 am

    Congratulations to Florida Braves Girl for posting some links. After looking at those articles, I fear we may have created a monster. :mrgreen:

    The headline ‘Dad chases nude boy from daughter’s room with pipe’ was intriguing, but I just couldn’t bring myself to read it. I guess it’s newsworthy though. Not every day you hear of a pipe being used as a weapon. Leaves me with many questions.

    What style pipe? Egg, Corncob or a Bent Billiard? Were slippers, robe and rolled newspaper involved? Inquirer minds want to know.


  210. 217 Savannah Guy September 13, 2008 at 9:49 am

    More news from liberal news organizations around the country:

    “Palin’s first scandal began as family feud”.

    The Legislature is spending up to $100,000 “to investigate the circumstances and events surrounding the termination of former Public Safety Commissioner Monegan, and potential abuses of power and/or improper actions by members of the executive branch.” The investigation is expected to take months.

    Doesn’t it just give you tingles in your legs to know how our liberal media can work so well with our Democrat party? One itches, the other scratches. Bob Fosse couldn’t have choreographed two groups on stage any better.

    Note the clever headline. “First” indicates there are many more scandals to follow. Reminds me of the famous question, “when was the first time you beat your wife?”. The ‘Family Feud’ reference attempts to position the subject (Palin) as a typical lawbreaking politician and associates her with a television game show watched by the lowest life forms.

    While the bourgeois were sitting in their trailers watching Family Feud, the ruling class was spending their valuable time in higher pursuits, watching West Wing or listening to NPR. Is a Jerry Springer reference next for Palin?

    Ever sniffing out crime in high places and assuring us that no one is above the law, our liberal media serves to rid the land of high crimes and conservative values to provide us with all the news that’s fit to print and a more intelligent public. They believe Sarah Palin is not qualified to be Vice President. After all, she’s only been a PTA mom and Mayor of a very, very, very small town. Oh, yes there was that Governor thing, but only two years so it doesn’t really count.

    Now, Obama on the other hand, has been working for the good of the citizenry for his entire adult life and is a Senator. Plus, he’s been campaigning 18 months. Palin will only have two months of campaigning under her belt by election-day, otherwise known as The Devine Coronation of The Chosen One.

    Palin’s biggest crime, according to the hand-wringing, frightened liberal media and the Hollywood elite, is that she is conservative. She had the audacity to go against everything acceptable and had a Downs Syndrome child. Her biggest and most unforgivable sin is that she doesn’t seem to care about deferring her ideology the liberal media. That, and he hasn’t even signed the Devil’s Contract, therefore she must be marginalized, patronized, scandalized, vilified and demonized.

    Does anyone here think Charlie Gibson is worthy of anything except acting like a complete, spineless, irrelevant twirp, cooking something on morning TV? After all these years as a lowly bottom feeder, he just got his coveted badge of dishonor from the media ruling class.

    Watching what the media and their lapdogs in Hollywood are doing to this fine lady is like watching a gang attack someone on the street. Only this time, we can all jump in to defend her or at least scream bloody murder.


  211. 218 Carolina Lady September 13, 2008 at 10:40 am

    One that got me was PAM ANDERSON being featured on the news, saying of Palin: “I can’t stand her!” 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

    Yeah, that one’s opinion is really important and worthy of being featured on the news! 🙄

    Love Obama’s latest ad ridiculing McCain because he doesn’t use a computer. Had his staff done the least bit of research (or even Google), they would have found that because of the extent of his POW/war time injuries, he can’t comb his own hair, tie his shoe laces ….or use a keyboard….. It is documented as far back as 2004 in a Boston Globe article. Wonder if they will feel even the slightest bit of embarrassment at their gaffe? (He does ‘surf’ using a mouse and knows his way around the internet, by the way.)


  212. 219 Savannah Guy September 13, 2008 at 11:21 am

    Well, the Presidential race is now beyond reach. The people have spoken. McCain and Palin may as well drop out now. Palin can go back to clubbing seals and McCain can wander deeper into the tarpits.


  213. 220 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 13, 2008 at 12:18 pm

    SG, very well put…again! CL, I posted that story about McCain not being able to use a keyboard on that jazzforum. Comments to it were, “ever heard of voice recognition?” To….”The sad truth. He’s a feeble old man. Probably has problems controlling his bladder too.”. Seriously! That’s the angry left for you. They will want to kill folks if the Chosen one doesn’t win….

    I’ve talked about it for years, but IMHO, some day there will be violence in this country from those who’s side “loses”.

    If the chosen one still loses, in spite of starting a run for the presidency earlier than anyone ever has, in spite of the media kissing his rear….there will be hell to pay for this “injustice”


  214. 221 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 13, 2008 at 12:49 pm

    Well, from what I am reading on the other side, no TV for the second game today!!!

    And WW wrote a post that would make SG’s typical one look like a paragraph!:)


  215. 222 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 13, 2008 at 12:50 pm

    How do y’all like my signature(s) on the jazz board? 😛 imagine if McCain or Palin said this stuff???

    “In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died—an entire town destroyed” May 6th, 2007 Sen. Obama, AKA the Chosen one.

    “Why can’t I just eat my waffle?” Omama, after being asked a foreign policy question by a reporter while visiting a diner in Pennsylvania

    Throughout our history, America’s confronted constantly evolving danger, from the oppression of an empire, to the lawlessness of the frontier, from the bomb that fell on Pearl Harbor, to the threat of nuclear annihilation. Americans have adapted to the threats posed by an ever-changing world.
    SEN. BARACK OBAMA 7-16-08


  216. 223 Savannah Guy September 13, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    Charlie really knows his doctrines and Positions and stuff.

    In yet another “gotcha” attempt, Charlie Gibson fumbles the ball. With multiple ‘Bush Doctrines’ and not being privy to the questions ahead of time like Obama always is, Gov. Palin was obviously a bit uncomfortable with the way the interview was going and unsure of the question.

    Here’s the thing… Gibson and his pack of researchers came up with the question and should have been aware of the multiple meanings and definitions. They weren’t. Smugly asking a question that he already supposedly knew the answer to and when a fair but unsure answer was given based upon the context it was asked, Gibson scoffs and condescendingly gives the answer… which was a wrong answer.

    Of course there was another segment to the interview that understandably got cut from the ABC show. Very few will ever see it, when Palin had her moment too. During the interview, Palin had seen enough and, being a pretty tough gal, she smiled, sat back in her chair, crossed her arms and asked Gibson if he liked the new Iraqi Position.

    Gibson was obviously caught off guard by the question. He started to sweat, his hands started shaking, his face turned bright red and his foot was nervously jerking back and forth so much one of his loafers fell off. Then, after a pregnant pause, he muttered to himself for a moment and finally, while looking unsure of himself and embarrassed… like he’d been busted, he said, “uh, well, um, I liked it alright I suppose… but it was rubbing all the hair off my knees”.

    Well, maybe the last two paragraphs were made up… would’a been funny tho.


  217. 224 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 13, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    Shoot SG, you had me going there! They did delete some lines for the west coast broadcast, one was her making a Title 9 reference!


  218. 225 Gil in Mechanicsville September 13, 2008 at 5:14 pm

    Uh… voice recognition… have they ever heard using the phone??? Oh, I forget, that is too old fashion… right??


  219. 226 Gil in Mechanicsville September 13, 2008 at 5:18 pm

    I don’t really have a lot against Obama but I shutter to think what might happen if there is no one to counter Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosie..


  220. 227 Gil in Mechanicsville September 13, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    And baseball, Mike Hampton is pitching well, needs some run support… I would sign him to pitch next year if the price is within reason…


  221. 228 Carolina Lady September 13, 2008 at 5:34 pm

    My thought on it was that the Obama team was too quick to attack without doing even basic research, belittling someone’s disabilities. And since there’s been no apology, very callous. Look before you leap. Just my opinion.


  222. 229 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 13, 2008 at 5:49 pm

    Gil, I hear ya on Reid and Pelosi…..It’s funny how moderates in Dem land never get positions of power…


  223. 230 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 13, 2008 at 5:52 pm

    And Delgado gets another hit, and there’s more talk of MVP. All I needed to ever know about him was when he was in Toronto, he refused to stand for the U.S.’s national anthem, cuz of how bad the U.S. was….I think he might have given that up when he went to the Marlins….harder to get away with that in the States….


  224. 231 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 13, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    Man, a great DP! Prado has a very strong arm. I thought Hampton was going to give up a big inning….


  225. 232 Gil in Mechanicsville September 13, 2008 at 6:00 pm

    I was just reading a piece on how Palin was being questioned because she fired the police chief after she was elected mayor of Wassila. Duh… that’s her prerogative… She did not even have to have a reason… Some folks forget that no member of management has job protection…. That was so weak to come up with that garbage…


  226. 233 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 13, 2008 at 6:24 pm

    Flipped away for a minute, check back…see the bases are loaded and nobodies out. Somehow, I just knew Frenchy would be up! 😀 Hey, why is the manager taking the pitcher out, doesn’t he know who’s up????

    Come on Frenchy, do something! Something besides a DP!!!


  227. 234 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 13, 2008 at 6:25 pm

    Frenchy ties the game up!!!! YES!!!


  228. 235 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 13, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    And after a sacrifice bunt from Anderson, Infante hits a SF, putting the braves up 3-2!!! Nothing like having a lead against the mutts! 🙂


  229. 236 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 13, 2008 at 6:38 pm

    Gil, and what’s funny, is I heard that Obama said to a group of supporters that they were being tough…and there was an audible groan from the audience. So, it will only get worse…..


  230. 237 Carolina Lady September 13, 2008 at 6:55 pm

    I’m gettin’ madder and madder!

    Andrea Mitchell, chief of foreign affairs for NBC News said: “[Palin] is not appealing to the same women who were really voting or supporting Hillary Clinton on ideological issues, but they think that they can peel off some of these working-class women, not college educated … the blue-collar women who were voting for Hillary Clinton and may be more conservative on social causes.”

    One thing about this election – it sure shows what the open-minded, diverse liberals think about others!

    Patrice Lewis (World Net Daily) said it well: “The unwashed masses in this country are going to rise up and remind the liberals that they don’t like being dissed. The hard-working, blue-collar, decent people who keep this country running on a day-to-day basis are not going to put up with digs to their character, intelligence and ability to express their opinion at the voting booth … especially from a bunch of nabobs who can’t fix anything more complex than a parking ticket.”


  231. 238 Savannah Guy September 13, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    Braves win!!!! A one run win on the road to boot!!!! We beat their ace, we ended the one run loss streak, we caused the Mutts to lose a game in the standings… how sweet it is. A sweep at Shea would make a mighty fine last stand at that park.

    The Bulldogs-Gamecocks game was close. UGA played sloppy defense with over 100 yards of penalties but pulled out a 14-7 win. The icing on the cake is that Spurrier lost… always a good thing.

    A good day for Braves and Georgia sports fans.


  232. 239 Savannah Guy September 13, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    My hand is tired from working the remote control so much, back and forth between games. I need to rest. 😀

    Wonder if anyone can find the second Braves game on TV tonight? I’m surprised ESPN doesn’t pick it up, after all, David Wright is playing.


  233. 240 Savannah Guy September 13, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    Trivia: Who coined “nattering nabobs”?

    How about, “bleeding heart liberal”?

    A prize for the winner.


  234. 241 Savannah Guy September 13, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    Hint: the same person that coined “nattering nabobs of negativism” also described opponents (liberal Dems) as “an effete corps of impudent snobs who characterize themselves as intellectuals.” I really like that one… hits the nail on the head.


  235. 243 Savannah Guy September 13, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    Correct CL!!! You win half the prize. Now, who actually wrote that line for him?


  236. 244 Savannah Guy September 13, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    Oh, meant to mention… thanks for the fixing the headline-link CL! If only I could edit my life that way.


  237. 245 Savannah Guy September 13, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    It’s ridiculous… just a few weeks left, playing spoiler to the Mutts and no TV coverage. It ain’t right.


  238. 246 Carolina Lady September 13, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    Hmm. Pat Buchanan?

    You’re welcome! Don’t we wish life was that easy to fix! 😀


  239. 247 Savannah Guy September 13, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    Not Pat Buchanan. One more try?


  240. 248 Savannah Guy September 13, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    Now I can relate to Alex Trebek. I know the answer, I have the card in front of me. But I don’t have that smug look on my face. 😀


  241. 249 Savannah Guy September 13, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    Top of the 4th, Mutts have 4 runs and we ain’t got none. Yikes.


  242. 250 Savannah Guy September 13, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    Meant top 5th.


  243. 251 Carolina Lady September 13, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    Not a clue. Send me half of the cookie.


  244. 252 Savannah Guy September 13, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    Bill Safire. He worked with Buchanan, so you were this close (finger and thumb about 1/8 inch apart).

    ‘Bleeding Heart Liberal’ was referenced in Safire’s political dictionary. It was coined by ________, a columnist in the 19__’s.


  245. 253 Carolina Lady September 13, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    I thought there was a Buchanan connection there! 🙂


  246. 254 Savannah Guy September 13, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    You did good. I wouldn’t have come that close if I hadn’t read it just the other day.

    So, you get the cookie! Chocolate chip pecan! 😀


  247. 255 Carolina Lady September 13, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    The whole cookie?? 😀 Lemme go get a glass of milk!!


  248. 256 Salty September 13, 2008 at 9:25 pm

    “…open-minded,… liberals”
    Ya know, I would expect, by definition, that a liberal would be open-minded, thus the description would be redundant. How come it never is? 😕


  249. 257 Carolina Lady September 13, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    It’s a mystery to me, Salty! Want a cookie? SG has some.


  250. 258 Salty September 13, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    Oh, no…much too full. My wife and I went to dinner and were ‘suckered’ into a dessert for two! Uh, uh…dessert for five….and three weren’t there!!! Even had they been, never woulda finished! I won’t eat for a month! (OK, not before morning!) Besides, the ‘Mrs’ made cookies, too! :mrgreen:


  251. 259 Carolina Lady September 13, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    Sounds like fun! Glad y’all enjoyed it! 🙂


  252. 260 Savannah Guy September 13, 2008 at 9:46 pm

    One cookie comin’ up.

    Salty, open-minded is a good thing. It’s the logic-reason-moral screen that is missing with most liberals I know. Not that they are without any logic, reason or morals… just that they determine each on an as needed basis to suit themselves at any given moment for any number of circumstances.

    Maybe it’s just a too developed power of rationalization.

    Well, it’s popcorn and movie time. Later.


  253. 261 Carolina Lady September 13, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    from CBS Sports:
    RHP Jair Jurrjens has been hampered by end-of-season fatigue, which he believes has cost him control of his pitches. So he took the advice of RHP John Smoltz and stopped running between starts, opting for other cardio workouts. Thursday’s 10-strikeout effort was his first start since the change in routine.

    .050 — RF Jeff Francoeur’s batting average with the bases loaded and fewer than two outs, through Sept. 11.

    “I don’t think even we’ve lost that way.” — 2B Kelly Johnson, after the Braves beat the Rockies 5-4 in 10 innings on a balk. Johnson scored the game-winning run.


  254. 262 flbravesgirl September 13, 2008 at 11:13 pm

    Should I wait until after the election to come back here? Because, honestly, I feel a bit unwelcome. I’ve made a point of staying out of the political discussions because I have no wish to argue with anyone, especially not friends.


  255. 263 Gil in Mechanicsville September 14, 2008 at 1:41 am

    FBG… No one called you a nattering nabob or anything…:-)


  256. 264 Gil in Mechanicsville September 14, 2008 at 1:44 am

    Never take politics personal… It all come down to personal experiences anyway… At least we get to choose, not always wisely mind you but we do get to choose. That is a good thing. Just remember that in the end they are all politicians and that word says it all….


  257. 265 Gil in Mechanicsville September 14, 2008 at 1:45 am

    Now baseball… B squad drops the nightcap…


  258. 266 Savannah Guy September 14, 2008 at 8:34 am

    FBG unwelcome? Heavens no. FBG is ‘little sis’ of the blog. Is there an argument somewhere? Has someone been insulted? Is civil and respectful political discussion now uncomfortable on this blog after all this time? Is it necessary to argue when discussing politics? Are we getting other blog rules and demographics (and uncivil or vulgar behavior) confused with this blog? Maybe I’ve missed something.

    FBG, you should be wherever you want to be at all times and you should say whatever is on your mind whenever you wish, discuss anything you like to whatever depth you feel comfortable…

    Let’s talk about cupcake recipes this morning.

    Mix sugar and flour and maybe oatmeal…
    toss in some blueberries or rasberries,
    or nuts and dates or whatever your heart desires.
    Put in a little round paper container…
    bake until done and the kitchen smells good…
    spread icing liberally (can say?)…
    sprinkle rainbow-color little things on top, but not too much…
    conservative use of sprinkles is best (can say?)…
    Better yet, make each independent (can say?) cupcake
    a different color,then they will all be unique and tasty.
    Red, white and blue is good, but may be controversial.

    The key to good cupcakes: they are only as good as the
    ingredients we use. That’s why nobody uses sour grapes
    or pickles in cupcakes.

    Later: Diet Coke Float recipe.


  259. 267 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 14, 2008 at 8:38 am

    Gil, I heard on baseball tonight that the Phils were a bit upset with our b-squad. Apparently, they haven’t been watching too closely, our b squad is also our a squad! 😕
    Chipper’s back hurts. Yunel and McCann were given the nightcap off. Having Frenchy play both games. Hmmm, perhaps they have a point! 😀

    Plus, we were beyond lucky to win 1 game against a lefty(Well, we didn’t really beat him, he left with a lead) We couldn’t possibly win 2 games against southpaws. When I saw that kid had a 15.00 ERA, I knew we were sunk……

    It was nice to see us play a very good all around game during the day though….


  260. 268 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 14, 2008 at 8:46 am

    And FLB, like Gil and SG said, you shouldn’t feel unwelcome!
    Now me, on a jazz board, outnumbered probably 100-3 on the Politics section. That is where one with opposing views will feel unwelcome….I’ve been called a stupid pawn, a racist(I’ve tried explaining Islam is a faith, not a skin color, but they don’t believe that to be true) and many things much, much worse that I can’t say on a family blog….


  261. 269 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 14, 2008 at 9:04 am

    And FLB, it never hurts to see what the other side is saying. I sure read/hear more than I want to from the (far) left, but, I still check it out.

    Last Friday during lunch, I was shocked, and a bit upset to find a good friend of mine is going to vote for Obama. She had said months ago she would vote for Hillary, but if Obama got the nod, she was voting for McCain. Obama was simply not ready in her eyes. Well, chosing Biden made all the difference in the world to her.

    Meanwhile, she asked if I had seen any of the Palin interview with Charlie Gibson. I hadn’t, but had read some of the transcript. Well, I heard she is ok at rehearsed answers, and I again heard everything the talking heads said about her, Governor for a short time, no real experience, blah, blah, blah.

    Of course, I pointed out how Obama was a senator for only 2 years when he decided he had enough experience to run the US, and how he’s running for Prez, and Palin was only running for VP, but that didn’t make her see things my way, for some reason. 😉

    But, we are still friends, and one day she will admit I was right all along! 😀

    Like I said at the top, it’s good to know what others are saying about the same subject. Plus, if you hear someone say Gov. Palin is a book burning, for mandatory creation teachin’ Alaskan Independence Party member….you can say, Hey, I’m not voting for her, but those accusations are not true….

    Just like when I hear folks spreading the lies that Obama isn’t an American, or is a Muslim….


  262. 270 Savannah Guy September 14, 2008 at 9:42 am

    American Pie recipe:

    Take a Mrs. Smith’s apple pie out of the box…
    bake until done…
    add vanilla ice cream.

    For once in our lives, it makes us proud to eat apples.

    Random Newsflash:

    Michelle Obama is appearing on Paula Deen’s show. They will cook together. For once in our lives, we will be proud of fried shrimp.


  263. 271 Savannah Guy September 14, 2008 at 9:58 am

    Diet Coke recipe:

    (this is a difficult recipe but worth all the trouble)

    Fill a tall glass with ice cream…
    add Diet Coke…
    scoop off the brown fizzy foam (eat it),
    pour s’more Coke all the way to the top,
    sccop off the brown fizzy stull again,
    pour more Coke until it tops,
    mash it all together but not too much,
    eat it. Mmm…



  264. 272 Savannah Guy September 14, 2008 at 9:59 am

    sccop off the brown fizzy stull again,

    brown fizzy stuff on keyboard… not good.


  265. 273 Gil in Mechanicsville September 14, 2008 at 10:02 am

    ?Ber… Don’t forget that the Braves play a day game today…

    I wonder if the Phils will be mad when the Braves roll out the same line up against them next week.

    I heard the same argument from Lasorda in 1990 when the Dodgers claimed the Braves were low balling them…. Bobby said Tommy could manage the Dodgers and he would fill out the line up card for the Braves… The best seris of the year may still be the final against the Astros. I still think the Braves feel like the owe them for knocking them out 3 years ago.


  266. 274 Gil in Mechanicsville September 14, 2008 at 10:07 am

    SG… I shall never be able to look at a pork chop in quite the same way ever again… 😦


  267. 275 Savannah Guy September 14, 2008 at 10:09 am

    Gil, I just hope Bobby and our team are hungry to play spoiler this year. Actually, I hope we get swept by the Phils and win the rest of the Mutts games this year.

    Win or lose against the Stros, I like their team and their attitude. They didn’t knock us out 3 years ago… they let us knock ourselves out.


  268. 276 Savannah Guy September 14, 2008 at 10:11 am

    Paula said she also invited Cindy McCain and Sarah Palin on the show. I hope they do take her up on it. Beer battered fish sticks? Moose pie?


  269. 277 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 14, 2008 at 10:11 am

    Michelle Obama is appearing on Paula Deen’s show. They will cook together. For once in our lives, we will be proud of fried shrimp.

    SG, you are terrible! Terribly funny! 😛


  270. 278 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 14, 2008 at 10:13 am

    How about Michelle Obama, Cindy McCain and Sarah Palin on the same show, in bikinis???? Just, you know help us move forward as a nation! 😳


  271. 279 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 14, 2008 at 10:17 am

    Gil, are you saying McCann will have today off as well??? Surely we have gone thru all the lefties they have left, right??? Or will I see Oliver Perez pitching today??? Crap, he is!!! 😡 Man, do they know us, or what????


  272. 280 Savannah Guy September 14, 2008 at 10:19 am

    If I were Chipper, I’d roll out there in a wheelchair to play a last game at Shea.


  273. 281 Savannah Guy September 14, 2008 at 10:28 am

    Must away until game time.

    Fish to fry, shrimp to boil, cookies and cupcakes to bake, Cokes to float, rows to hoe, mountains to climb, songs to sing… stuff like that.


  274. 282 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 14, 2008 at 10:38 am

    I’d have some cliches to say as well, but you used the best ones! 😛

    I have some shut eye to get…even though I slept all night, still tyred….as the British might write….


  275. 283 Carolina Lady September 14, 2008 at 11:46 am

    OK, gang – we have a new page: The BULLPEN!

    Our political discussions go there, Braves and everything else goes here.
    There is a link to The BULLPEN! just below every lead.


  276. 284 Salty September 14, 2008 at 1:10 pm

    Censored? 😕


  277. 285 Carolina Lady September 14, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    I guess so, Salty. Trying to please people.


  278. 286 Salty September 14, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    Sheesh! 🙄 And I thought Stuff-villians were a cut above!


  279. 288 Savannah Guy September 14, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    Is the bullpen the new name for the Doghouse? :mrgreen:


  280. 289 Savannah Guy September 14, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    Now, baseball. Lot’s of lefties lately…


  281. 290 Savannah Guy September 14, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    Nice to see Chipper back in there.


  282. 291 Carolina Lady September 14, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    Me, too, Salty. We’ll give it a try, but it may be scrapped.


  283. 292 Savannah Guy September 14, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    I like Lillibridge, but with the bat he’s just not ready for prime time. Winter ball for him.


  284. 293 Savannah Guy September 14, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    Lil-B should be fine in a few years… when he’s 16. 😆


  285. 294 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 14, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    So, it was 4-2 mets, in the 8th, so I thought, might as well shower. Came out, and saw it was 5-4 Braves!!!! So, I ran back the DVR and saw Norton hit a 3 run homer!!! Cool beans!!!

    Braves win, Braves win! 7-4. Total and highlights, in a minute! :mrgreen:


  286. 295 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 14, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    Lil needs to take some HGH, when he grows up! 😉


  287. 296 Carolina Lady September 14, 2008 at 4:58 pm

    2 out of 3 ain’t bad! Their #1 team against our AA team. 😀


  288. 297 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 14, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    CL, right you are!!!


  289. 298 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 14, 2008 at 5:12 pm

    Two somewhat interesting stories from mlbtraderumors.com…sounds like one more team looking for starters….and would we want Magglio Ordonez, if perhaps they took on a few million of his contract??? This year his numbers are…..321 BA 19Hr’s 88 RBI’s

    Cardinals To Be Aggressive This Offseason
    By Nat Boyle [September 14 at 10:22am CST]

    Joe Strauss of the St. Louis-Dispatch reports Cardinals owner John Mozeliak has vowed to be aggressive this offseason.

    “Last year, I thought the only way we could improve was through addition by subtraction,” Mozeliak said, referring to trades that sent away disenchanted third baseman Scott Rolen and center fielder Jim Edmonds. “This year is different. I think we will identify holes and aggressively pursue closing them in a number of ways.”

    Jason Isringhausen, Kyle Lohse, Braden Looper, and Russ Springer will free up some payroll. In fact, over $40MM will be pared from the payroll. The Cardinals need a left handed reliever, a starting pitcher, and an impact bat.

    It will be interesting to see if the Cardinals wind up in an arms race with the Astros.
    Full Story | Comments (5) | Categories: St. Louis Cardinals

    Tigers Could Deal Ordonez?
    By Nat Boyle [September 14 at 9:37am CST]

    Last week, John Paul Morosi of the Detroit Free Press contemplated the Tigers’ offseason plans. Their payroll projects at $130MM assuming no free agent signings or extensions; however, according to Morosi the Tigers’ revenue can only sustain $110MM. Owner Mike Ilitch wants a World Series but spending more doesn’t seem likely without shaking things up.

    Morosi thinks the Tigers might have to trade Magglio Ordonez:

    “They need a shortstop who covers more ground than Edgar Renteria. They need a closer, unless they are comfortable with Fernando Rodney (36 innings, 25 walks) protecting leads in the ninth inning. They need one more setup man, because of the uncertainty surrounding Joel Zumaya’s health. They also need to improve their rotation.”

    Have fun with that one. Magglio is set to make $18MM in ’09, followed by team options of $18MM and $15MM in ’10 and ’11, so any realistic trades need to be with teams that can shoulder that contract.

    Despite a disappointing campaign, offense is still the one area of depth for the Tigers so this move would make sense.


  290. 299 Carolina Lady September 14, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    Berigan has discovered the Bullpen. Enter at your own risk! 😆 😆 😆


  291. 300 Savannah Guy September 14, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    What a great win today!!!!! How sweet it was. I know it’s silly and cruel, but there is no other team in the history of sports that I love to see beaten more than the Mutts. Chipper… 3 hits, Norton’s go ahead blast, the Mutt faithful exiting the stadium… all on our last visit to Shea. Honestly, I hope we get swept by the Phils and then we sweep the Mutts, just so they won’t see the playoffs.

    Now, politics. It’s just no fun to go behind closed doors of another room off campus to have a respectful discussion about something so important and timely. Besides, there are many pure political forums one can visit. Braves and Stuff is eclectic… that’s what makes it special. Will we have another room for religion? Deer Hunting? Music? Baking? With so much to talk about on so many subjects, that could get cumbersome.

    Maybe it’s just me, but if someone is uncomfortable with a subject, they can simply use the scroll button. It’s really not that hard to do. Maybe I’m off base here. Anyhoo, would hate to lose any regular just because of a differing political opinion, especially when everyone here is civil and respectful. On the other hand, methinks there is usually more than discomfort about political differences or other fundamental persuasions at issue when folks make an out of the blue announcement to leave.

    Besides, if there is anyone that doesn’t want to join with their own commentary and opine on any civil, non-personal, respectful, non-personal, inoffensive, non-vulgar subject, they are in no way forced to. They can talk about the weather if that’s what tickles their fancy.

    We leave or we stay simply because we want to. If the discourse in THIS respectable little community of Stuffville causes anyone to leave, what will they possibly do in the real world or on other blogs? I can understand occasionally visiting places with more activity or more exchange… I do from time to time. But to leave because someone is passionate about something so important in this election year as politics, well, I just don’t get that. I could understand not being able to handle the Daily Kos or other hard core, vulgar places, but again… Stuffville? Really? Bottom line is, we only need to justify to ourselves what we say and where we say it.

    “Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony.” Mahatma Gandhi


  292. 301 Carolina Lady September 14, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    I have to agree with you, SG. I was reluctant to post the Bullpen and have not been entirely happy about it since.

    Time for a Pole Poll:
    Bullpen: yes or no

    CL: no


  293. 302 Salty September 14, 2008 at 10:51 pm

    I’m no fan of the bullpen…gets worn from overuse!!! 😯


  294. 303 flbravesgirl September 14, 2008 at 10:59 pm

    Look y’all, I’m not trying to tell you what you can or can’t talk about here. It’s just that it was getting to be politics all the time & sometimes the tone gets a little nasty. I know y’all are better people than that. It would really hurt me if y’all thought less of me just for having a more liberal view on some issues.


  295. 304 Savannah Guy September 14, 2008 at 11:33 pm

    Since I’ve already voted, I’ll just add that I’ve never allowed political views to dictate whether I liked someone or not or whether I respected them or not. It’s not really a concern whether someone agrees with our point of view, it’s whether we have one and are open enough in this forum to share it.

    That said…

    FBG, could you please give a specific example of when the “tone got nasty” here. I’m just curious to know what you’re referring to. If you want to share which liberal views you have on some issues, all the better. If not… your choice.

    People fight when they run out of ideas.


  296. 305 flbravesgirl September 15, 2008 at 12:04 am

    SG, I don’t want to point fingers, that will just make people mad at me. I’d just like everyone to be as civil to the opposition as they’d like the opposition’s supporters to be to their candidates & party. And before anyone jumps to conclusions, I am not an Obama supporter. Frankly there’s something about him I just don’t trust.


  297. 306 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 15, 2008 at 12:16 am

    I don’t see us getting mad at you….have we gotten mad at you before???
    Of course, there’s a first time for everything! 😉


  298. 307 flbravesgirl September 15, 2008 at 12:32 am

    You know what, just forget I brought the subject up. I’ll just scroll past anything that looks political.


  299. 308 flbravesgirl September 15, 2008 at 12:38 am

    Now I have to try to sleep ’cause Dad & I are headed up to the house in the am. 10 days of fighting with the laptop await. The tech guy tells Mom her new one is “almost ready”. 🙄


  300. 309 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 15, 2008 at 12:40 am

    now you’ve made me mad FLB!!! x:


  301. 310 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 15, 2008 at 12:40 am



  302. 311 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 15, 2008 at 12:41 am



  303. 313 Carolina Lady September 15, 2008 at 1:17 am

    The Sox are intrigued by Texas backstop Jarrod Saltalamacchia, the 23-year-old switch-hitter who has been shut down with a sprained elbow but will play in the Dominican this winter. The Sox would have to trade a top pitching prospect to land him. Reviews of his catching prowess are mixed, but one scout thinks Saltalamacchia looks very much like Varitek did at a similar age. Varitek wasn’t always the accomplished defensive catcher he is now. “If [Saltalamacchia] catches every day, he’s going to be fine,” said an American League scout. “He’s got a good arm. He’s had his moments when he gets crossed up, but experience will help rectify that.”

    Boston Globe


  304. 314 Voice of Raisins September 15, 2008 at 8:58 am

    G’morning, everybody.

    Travel mercies are prayed for FBG and FBD ( flbravesdad ) .

    Bullpen: Nah… This of all places is pretty darn civil. There is the occasional worm-burn, but aside from that, it’s a happy shiny place. 😀

    Brief political commentary: O&B 😦 McC&P 🙂

    How was that?

    Now, baseball – noted beet writer type transition learned from former pinniped pal. The Braves took 2 of 3 from the Mess. I greedily wanted all 3. I’ll be happy with 2. I love to watch the Mess squirm. Now, off day and on to The City of Brotherly Shove to take on the hated, though not as hated as the Mess, Philthies. As much as I want to see the Mess fall out of 1st, I hope we sweep the Philthies anyway. I hope we sweep everybody. I’m a fan… shoot me.

    2nd brief political comment: O 👿 P 😉



  305. 315 Carolina Lady September 15, 2008 at 9:00 am

    Good morning, everyone!

    EXECUTIVE DECISION: The Bullpen has been deleted. Seems nobody liked it so it is gone. 🙂 Have at it!


  306. 316 Carolina Lady September 15, 2008 at 9:02 am

    ‘Mornin’, Raisins! Love the wit! Thanks for the smile!


  307. 317 Voice of Raisins September 15, 2008 at 9:10 am

    I believe I have made a grave error in my post. I referred to “my former pinniped pal.” I suppose the correct phrase shoud have been “my pinniped pal and former fellow Stuffvillian.”

    I feel better.


  308. 318 Voice of Raisins September 15, 2008 at 9:11 am

    It’s difficult to type well and eat Cinnamon Toast Crunch cereal at the same time…


  309. 319 Carolina Lady September 15, 2008 at 9:13 am

    Raisins, it helps if you use a spoon….for the cereal, that is…


  310. 320 Savannah Guy September 15, 2008 at 9:20 am

    There are two interesting articles on the ajc this morning; one on Andruw Jones and the other on Derek Jeter. Juxtaposed, they paint quite a profile in opposites. Is it an example of, “one man’s ceiling is another man’s floor”?

    So, is it natural talent or the ability to improve that makes a great athlete? Is it desire or intellect? Is it passion or just an old fashioned work ethic? Is it a determination to fight through adversity or is it the self motivation to resist all the comforts of financial success?

    My answer to all of the above would be… yes, all of the above.


    DENVER — The Dodgers put Andruw Jones on the 60-day disabled list to make room on the 40-man roster for Takashi Saito on Saturday, marking the end of Jones’ miserable first season in Los Angeles.

    In a season that the former major league home run champion has called the most challenging of his 13-year career, Jones hit .158 with three home runs and 14 runs batted in 75 games.

    NEW YORK — Jeter moved into a tie with Lou Gehrig for most career hits at Yankee Stadium and Jason Giambi hit a two-run homer for New York, still clinging to faint playoff hopes during its final series at its longtime home.


    <a href=http://www.ajc.com/braves/content/shared-gen/ap/Baseball_Game_Stories/BBA_Rays_Yankees.html rel=”nofollow”Jeter


  311. 321 Savannah Guy September 15, 2008 at 9:22 am

    Dagblastit!!!! I must be out of practice.



  312. 322 Gil in Mechanicsville September 15, 2008 at 9:25 am

    Sigh…. I am getting a bit nervous about my investments, I may become broke before I know it… Maybe I had better vote for the Democrats so I will have someone to take care of me… 😦

    Of course, if I find out the CEOs keep their retirement, I might have to open a can of “whoopass” on them…


  313. 323 Voice of Raisins September 15, 2008 at 9:28 am

    Report: Congo soccer riot over ‘witchcraft’ leaves 11 dead

    KINSHASA , Congo — At least 11 people were killed in a stadium riot in eastern Congo after a soccer player tried to use witchcraft to win a local match, U.N.-backed Radio Okapi reported on Monday.

    Nyuki club was losing to local rivals Socozaki on Sunday when Nyuki’s goalkeeper advanced up the field and tried to use “fetishist” spells to turn the tide of the match, Okapi said, without giving more details.

    When a police commander tried to break up an ensuing brawl between rival players, members of the crowd pelted him with rocks, the radio added.

    Police fired teargas in response, causing a stampede to the exits in which 11 people were killed and several injured, Okapi said.

    As elsewhere in Africa, many Congolese hold traditional animist beliefs and use spells, fetishes and charms to practise witchcraft.

    Sunday’s riot happened in Butembo, in North Kivu province, where fighting between the army and rebels has raged on despite the official end of a 1998-2003 war that has killed an estimated 5.4 million people through violence, hunger and disease.

    Breaking news! A suspension is expected to be handed down, however it is also expected that the CSLPA (Congo Soccer League Players Association) will appeal. When reminded that witchcraft is illegal in his league, the Nyuki goalkeeper’s agent, Scottku Borasabubu stated, “He misremembered.” Repeated attempts to reach the goalkeeper via tom-toms were unsuccessful.


  314. 324 Carolina Lady September 15, 2008 at 9:34 am

    ….”goalkeeper’s agent, Scottku Borasabubu stated, “He misremembered.” Repeated attempts to reach the goalkeeper via tom-toms were unsuccessful.” 😆 😆 😆


  315. 325 Savannah Guy September 15, 2008 at 9:34 am

    Gil, I really try not to give financial advice, so I won’t. I’ve had that bite me before… but in my opinion, equities are going to get completely hammered for quite a while. The dollar is about to shrink like we haven’t seen in a long time. The financials have been hammered, Fannie and Freddie has been a debacle, gas prices will increase and the Fed cannot keep bailing all of these people out. We may as well nationalize everything (oh, no… the horrors!).

    I believe smart money is going into precious metals. Gold and silver. Like… right now. But that’s just me.


  316. 326 Voice of Raisins September 15, 2008 at 9:39 am

    The Braves’ activity in the Japanese market has mostly been limited to the sales of players to Japanese clubs. However, they soon might become more aggressive buyers: General manager Frank Wren recently returned from a week-long visit to Japan, an unusual step for a major-league GM in the middle of the season.

    “It was a tremendous help — that was the impression I got from club executives and the people that were over there,” Wren said. “They were excited to see a general manager come over during the season.”

    The Braves, who maintain a friendship agreement with the Hanshin Tigers, are “open” to signing Japanese talent, Wren said. Atlanta, as a former Olympic city with a growing Asian population and non-stop flights to Tokyo, could appeal to Japanese players. — Ken Rosenthal


  317. 327 Gil in Mechanicsville September 15, 2008 at 9:43 am

    10-4… Time to load up on the Maple Leafs…


  318. 328 Voice of Raisins September 15, 2008 at 9:43 am

    The Braves are looking to add two starters for the 2009 campaign. General manager Frank Wren has traveled overseas to scout Japanese pitchers Koji Uehara and Kenshin Kawakami already this year. — John Perrotto, Baseball Prospectus


  319. 329 Voice of Raisins September 15, 2008 at 9:46 am

    How about Kanhe Tossanono?


  320. 330 Voice of Raisins September 15, 2008 at 9:47 am



  321. 331 Voice of Raisins September 15, 2008 at 9:48 am

    Oh, and CL, I’ll try that spoon-thing. The knife I’ve been using is dirty anyway…


  322. 332 Carolina Lady September 15, 2008 at 9:51 am

    You are full of yourself this morning! 😆

    What is the avatar?


  323. 333 Gil in Mechanicsville September 15, 2008 at 9:51 am

    Raisins… American League.. right? 🙂


  324. 334 Voice of Raisins September 15, 2008 at 9:54 am

    I kinda like that Norton guy. We should keep him around, don’tcha think?


  325. 335 Gil in Mechanicsville September 15, 2008 at 9:55 am

    You realize that the Braves will have a closet full of bionic arms available next year.

    They should play the theme song from Star Wars before each game.


  326. 336 Voice of Raisins September 15, 2008 at 9:55 am

    The avatar – a butt-kicking, which is what I wanna see against the Philthies.


  327. 337 Voice of Raisins September 15, 2008 at 9:56 am

    So, Gil, can the Comeback Player of the Year award be given to a team?


  328. 338 Gil in Mechanicsville September 15, 2008 at 9:57 am

    I was disappointed when the Braves did not sign Dwayne Ward last year. Norton is the same type of player… Great bench guy.


  329. 339 Voice of Raisins September 15, 2008 at 9:59 am

    Geraldo Rivera… he is like a living cartoon, isn’t he?


  330. 340 Savannah Guy September 15, 2008 at 10:00 am

    Gil, one more thing on investing: I’m certainly not an expert nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn last night, but here’s my take:

    If there are as many as 5% of all investment brokers that really know what’s going to happen tomorrow, I’d be shocked. There are very few ‘insiders’ that have a clue… and those few can control the entire market.

    If your broker tells you that they know exactly what stocks to invest in at this time, he (or she) is either mistaken, knows just enough to be dangerous or is lying. There is massive manipulation in the entire erratic market right now.

    Personally, I think Bernanke is making a huge mistake bailing out banks, mortgage firms and the like. The dollar is being propped up like a house of cards. Oil, foreign currencies and precious metals values are waiting for the other shoe to drop to head north again. I suspect our Fed is doing this with good intentions, not the least of which is a stable economy for the coming election and staving off massive foreclosures.

    After that I wouldn’t be surprised to see the dollar value cut in half.

    I’ll shut up on all that now. Hit me at just the right time. Back to baseball… or was that work? Guess it’s off to work.


  331. 341 Carolina Lady September 15, 2008 at 10:01 am

    OK, this is from back in July, but I find it important and am furious with the ‘msm’ for not putting in their headlines. The man just plain, flat-out lied:

    “…Obama’s remarks in Israel regarding his good deeds on the “Senate Banking Committee.” In responding to an Israeli reporter’s question about his commitment to defending Israel (Israeli’s are rightly skeptical of Mr. Obama, given his previously stated commitments to meet “unconditionally” with Iran’s tyrannical leader), Mr. Obama explained that “his committee” – – the Senate Banking Committee – – had just voted in favor of a bill that provides for sanctioning, and the divesting of revenues out of, Iran.

    But Mr. Obama doesn’t serve on the Senate Banking Committee. And he hadn’t “just voted” on anything. Senators don’t “text message” or “email” their votes – – they vote in the Senate chamber, and Mr. Obama was out of the country all week. Mr. Obama lied to the Israeli reporter – – and to the rest of the world – – with these remarks. Are we to regard this as “presidential?” Or was this merely “change we can believe in?”


  332. 342 Gil in Mechanicsville September 15, 2008 at 10:06 am

    Still my opinion that the Braves season went south this year because Smoltz and Moylan both went down this year. Glavin was never 100% and apparently neither was Hudson. I hope the Braves re-sign Hampton. I think he has been rebuilt sufficiently now.


  333. 343 Carolina Lady September 15, 2008 at 10:12 am

    Detroit Free Press

    Several municipal clerks across the state are reporting fraudulent and duplicate voter registration applications, most of them from a nationwide community activist group working to help low- and moderate-income families.

    The majority of the problem applications are coming from the group ACORN, Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, which has a large voter registration program among its many social service programs. ACORN’s Michigan branch, based in Detroit, has enrolled 200,000 voters statewide in recent months, mostly with the use of paid, part-time employees.

    “There appears to be a sizeable number of duplicate and fraudulent applications,” said Kelly Chesney, spokeswoman for the Michigan Secretary of State’s Office. “And it appears to be widespread.”

    Chesney said her office has had discussions with ACORN officials after local clerks reported the questionable applications to the state. Chesney said some of the applications are duplicates and some appear to be names that have been made up. The Secretary of State’s Office has turned over several of the applications to the U.S. Attorney’s Office.

    The U.S. Attorney’s Office on Friday declined to confirm whether an investigation was taking place.

    In recent years, ACORN’s voter registration programs have come under investigation in Ohio, Colorado, Missouri and Washington, with some employees convicted of voter fraud.

    Lie, cheat and steal.


  334. 345 Voice of Raisins September 15, 2008 at 10:19 am

    Hey! That spoon worked pretty good! 😀


  335. 346 Voice of Raisins September 15, 2008 at 11:28 am

    BTW, I’ve been meaning to ask…

    Who is this Nabob character, anyway? I am familiar with SpongeBob, Billy Bob and Bob, Journalist, but not Nabob.


  336. 347 Hillbilly September 15, 2008 at 11:37 am

    VOR, you’re multi-tasking breakfast this morning brings to mind an instance Saturday night when I was attempting to eat a meal in the dark, thanks to Ike. I had to use one of those coon-hunting lights that straps around your head, because it’s dang-near impossible to hold a flashlight and use a knife and fork to cut up a steak. My wife was laughing hysterically, saying I looked like a fool, but hey, when a man is hungry, he’s got to eat. Whatever it takes.


  337. 348 Voice of Raisins September 15, 2008 at 11:43 am

    HB, a man has to do what a man has to do! I applaude you for your resourcefulness in the face of steak! 😀


  338. 349 Voice of Raisins September 15, 2008 at 12:49 pm

    Gwinnett Braves pick Chopper as mascot’s name
    Larry Hicks, ajc
    Monday, September 15, 2008

    Before a throng of screaming grade schoolers, the Gwinnett Braves on Monday morning introduced “Chopper” as the name of their minor-league team mascot.

    Chopper won out over Shadow and Pop-Up in a name the mascot contest for its portly, cartoonish groundhog. Chopper, submitted by Jim Bennett of Lilburn, was the fan favorite during online voting. The three final names were selected from the 4,396 entries.

    The name was unveiled during ceremonies at Lawrenceville Elementary School.

    “We plan for our mascot to be a major representation of our team and our brand in the community,” Gwinnett Braves General Manager Bruce Baldwin said in an earlier press release. “For this reason, we wanted our community and future fans to be actively involved in the naming, origin and character of the mascot.”

    Chopper is inspired by General Beauregard Lee, Ph.D., the groundhog star of the Yellow River Game Ranch in Lilburn and “Georgia’s Official Weather Prognosticator” fortelling the coming of spring.

    The Gwinnett Braves is the Triple A affiliate of the Atlanta Braves. Relocating from Richmond, Va., the team’s first home game is scheduled April 17 against Norfolk.

    Geez… how embarrassing… 😳


  339. 350 Savannah Guy September 15, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    Chopper the groundhog. 😯 The nickname wouldn’t have been in my top ten… thousand. Will the little hairy bugger do the tomahawk chop or will he carry an axe? Will he predict the season like his counterpart predicts the weather?

    What will they say when a foul ground ball hits him? So many question.


  340. 351 Gil in Mechanicsville September 15, 2008 at 1:01 pm

    Uh.. No worse than the “Diamond Duck”…


  341. 352 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 15, 2008 at 1:03 pm

    If you hear any Dems saying this is a Republican only problem….show them the top 3 on this list of donors to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac….The Chosen one needs to try harder to be number one! 😀



  342. 353 Voice of Raisins September 15, 2008 at 1:09 pm

    How about a mascot that is somehow related to baseball or Braves? A friggin’ rodent? Gimme a break… 😐


  343. 354 Salty September 15, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    How ’bout the Gwinnett Traffic-jammers? :mrgreen: Makes more sense than a rodent! 🙄


  344. 355 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 15, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    Gotta be PC, V! If they used “Braves” in the name of the mascot, somewhere some Native American group might somehow get upset, for using such a “derogatory” term. 🙄


  345. 356 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 15, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    I guess Chief Noc-A-Homa is out, eh??? :mrgreen:

    Salty, the Gwinnett Traffic-Jammers!!! I link that! 🙂


  346. 357 Savannah Guy September 15, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    Maybe the Gwinnett ‘Button’.

    After Button Gwinnett, signer of the Declaration of Independence.

    Maybe Chief Knockhoma could make a comeback in the minor leagues. Is Gwinnett under the influence of the PC police?


  347. 358 Salty September 15, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    Talked to a bud in New Jersey this morning…he was filling his car. He paid $3.39…obviously the pipeline ‘fueling’ that part of the country is unharmed.

    Why, if you can’t yell, “Fire!” in a crowded theater, can the media, or even a gov’t official come on and foment (like that?) panic with premature and, frankly, irresponsible comments. Kay Bailey Hutchinson was quoted as saying some refineries would be 8-9 days before coming on line, yet the media gets away with use of a new thesaurus that says ‘some = all’. I’m sure there is a refinery that may be off-line for a week, but there are likely some on-line today! Stupid, stupid, stupid…really, really stupid. I feel better! 😆


  348. 359 Savannah Guy September 15, 2008 at 1:22 pm

    ding ding ding… two for Nockahoma or Noc-A-Homa or however you spell it.


  349. 360 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 15, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    SG, Great minds, something, something…
    I used google to see how it was spelled, by the by! I recalled some hyphens….couldn’t remember if it was homer or homa though…


  350. 361 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 15, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    Salty, $3.39 eh??? 😡 A clarification. We that stupid masses can’t yell fire, the press can….


  351. 362 Savannah Guy September 15, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    Salty, if the news isn’t bleak enough they’ll make it up. Good for ratings and for consumer confidence… and good for Dem votes. Expect the globe to warm a lot between now and election day (no doubt from all the hot air). Then, expect a cooling of the earth shortly after.

    Finding the truth in the news today is like pickin’ gnat poop out of pepper.


  352. 363 Salty September 15, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    … is like pickin’ gnat poop out of pepper. 😯

    Never tried that…never will!!! 😆


  353. 364 Voice of Raisins September 15, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    Who yo callin’ a dunb mass? 😡


  354. 365 Voice of Raisins September 15, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    Of course, after that spelling display… 😀


  355. 366 Voice of Raisins September 15, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    I really wish I hadn’t added pepper to my chicken fried rice (that I am eating with a spoon) …


  356. 367 Hillbilly September 15, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    We lost another founding member of my all-time favorite band today. Pink Floyd keyboardist, Richard Wright dead at 65. Another superb musician lost.


  357. 368 Gil in Mechanicsville September 15, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    Want to read something really scary???



  358. 369 Gil in Mechanicsville September 15, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    I fear the Brits are about to be over run… or maybe they already are… Another reason to have strong borders.


  359. 370 Hillbilly September 15, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    Yost just got canned by the Brewers. What odd timing to fire your manager. Guess he’ll have plenty of time to get prepared for his next appearance in Realtree’s Monster Bucks Video Series. 😉


  360. 371 Salty September 15, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    Uh…I don’t think the Astros want to play in Milwaukee. They’re no-hit through 6 innings…by Ted Lilly! That’s 15 straight innings! 😯


  361. 372 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 15, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    Gil, that is scary for sure!!!
    Hill, that is amazingly strange timing! I did see an early game this year, well, not too early it was against the Red Sox, and man were the red sox fans having a laugh over the 5th hitter bunting…I think he failed to.

    Really no reason for them not to be at least in the playoffs via wildcard. Selig Brewers ownership is going to claim they are a tiny market(With huge crowds every night) and night sign CC or Sheets, and will likely trade Prince since he will, you know want what other players want with his abilities. So, this is the year, there is no next year for them, they will be rebuilding….


  362. 373 Gil in Mechanicsville September 15, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    It has got to be tough rebuilding every year… Look at the Pirates… And too bad for Ned, He must have been in line for a bonus if the Brewers made the play-offs…


  363. 374 Carolina Lady September 15, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    Yost bench coach for ATL???


  364. 375 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 15, 2008 at 5:28 pm

    Man, I sure screwed up a lot in a few lines there….hope you could read between the foul ups!


  365. 376 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 15, 2008 at 5:30 pm

    Gil, from what I saw earlier this year, the Pirates were on the right track. They seemed more sound than us….if you ask me(Not that you did) they might have been better off holding onto Nady and Bay, and waiting for that pitching to….. eventually get better…


  366. 378 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 15, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    Another unbiased report from the mainstream press….

    The Sarah Palin Phenomenon Is Doomed….


  367. 379 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 15, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    This site pretty much explains why Ned Yost needs to stay far away from the braves…I watched baseball tonight from yesterday, today…and Yost left a left handed submarine pitcher pitch to back to back right handers and got burned by both…..



  368. 380 Salty September 15, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    Whatever! 🙄

    Second verse, same as the first
    A little bit louder, a little bit worse!

    Now the media spend time justifying its actions…good! Keeps ’em from fabricating…for a short while anyway!


  369. 381 Salty September 15, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    Uh…was referencing the CBS link…not Yost. I didn’t realize Ber was in thread mode. I’ll step aside…the floor is yours, Ber! Carry on! 😆


  370. 382 Savannah Guy September 15, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    Alaskan Moose Pie recipe:

    1. Shoot a Moose
    2. Field dress and cure the Moose.
    3. Put it in a pie crust
    4. Throw in some onions, ‘taters and carrots
    5. Bake

    Serve with a nice, very dry and full bodied American cabernet.

    Moose tastes a lot like beef… but do not, under any circumstances, try this recipe with a cow. Cow pie’s are not a substitute. :mrgreen:


  371. 383 Savannah Guy September 15, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    Baseball questions: does the chopping cow make pies? Do the fans sitting below the cow get souvenirs? Does the cow get us to eat mor chiken?

    So, with a chopping cow selling chicken sandwiches, do those fans sitting under the cow have, uh, crappy seats or cheep cheep seats?


  372. 384 Salty September 15, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    …cure the Moose.
    Of what?

    That’s a big pie! Our oven’s not that big! Is moose red meat, or yet another white meat? My wife doesn’t eat red meat (not a problem…I’ll take her share!).

    SG…did you bump your head? Chicken sandwich sellin’ choppin’ cows? Cow pies and crappy seats? Oh, the humanity!!!


  373. 385 Savannah Guy September 15, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    Bottom of the 8th inning in Washington. Nats 7-Mutts 2. David Wright hit into an inning ending double play with the bases loaded.

    The meltdown continues. 😆


  374. 386 Savannah Guy September 15, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    Salty, Chik-Fil-A owns the cow at the TED and they sell chicken sammiches. I don’t just make this stuff up. 😆


  375. 387 Savannah Guy September 15, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    The Moose is cured… of a gamey taste. The curing process also tenderizes the meat. Now, in some circles salt is used.

    That might be called Salty Moose.


  376. 388 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 15, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    Sure Moose doesn’t taste just like chicken??? 😛


  377. 389 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 15, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    Great news, the Mets losing! Phils just do not bother me the same way the mets do….could have something to do with their fans…..
    Hope the Phils win the East, and Brewers or Astros get the wildcard…..


  378. 390 Savannah Guy September 15, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    Alaska For Recipes

    There once was a good Mayor in Alaska

    who became a well respected Governor,

    Palin’s hunter, not prey, best not be shovin’er,

    but if you’d like a Moose recipe, I’ll ask’er.


  379. 391 Savannah Guy September 15, 2008 at 10:20 pm

    Now, movie and popcorn for me.

    No more Moose talk or Alaska recipes or politics. Could be dangerous.

    Moose lips sink ships.


  380. 392 Savannah Guy September 15, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    Mutts lose, Mutts lose!!!

    Phils are now one game back. Braves can have a say and continue to play a part in this classic edition of ‘Mutt Meltdown 2.0’.


  381. 393 Carolina Lady September 15, 2008 at 10:51 pm

    Y’all are a hoot!

    Gibson, as dignified a newsperson as America has now, treated Palin fairly and didn’t resort to hectoring her with “gotcha” questions, either.
    So is that! 😆

    Working on my client’s genealogy project – and fell into a gold mine on one line of the family! Found a beautiful, but totally obscure old book (published in 1938), only 18 pages thick – full of incredibly detailed information on the people I was searching for! How sweet it is!! 😀

    METS LOSE!!! That makes ALL of us smile!

    Hillbilly, you haven’t washed away, have you?? Need an update on the newest Braves fan, too! 🙂


  382. 394 flbravesgirl September 15, 2008 at 10:53 pm

    They fired Yost?! Extremely weird timing. He must’ve ticked off the wrong person.

    Excuse me while I gloat a moment over the Mets teetering on the brink of another collapse. 👿 I was hoping the Marlins would sneak in there but the Phillies are acceptable. I don’t like them but I don’t like the Mets more, if that makes any sense.


  383. 395 flbravesgirl September 15, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    I’m not too impressed with a giant rodent for a mascot either, VOR, but at least they had a reason for choosing that. The Rays have an indeterminate blue hairball that does a really bad imitation of the Phanatic. Nobody even knows what he’s supposed to be.

    Now a giant rodent would be a perfect choice for the Nationals. He’d fit right in in D.C.


  384. 396 flbravesgirl September 15, 2008 at 11:15 pm

    $3.39, Salty? Dad & I saw as high as $4.29 today on the trip up. Thankfully we found a station under $4. Scary that $3.99 is a good deal.


  385. 397 Gil in Mechanicsville September 15, 2008 at 11:17 pm

    I have come to realize why I like Palin so much… She reminds me of me, well… same, only different… and when I hear someone attack her I feel like they are attacking me… Does that make any sense? So I get the feeling that if folks don’t like her then they would not like me either…

    Anyhoo… I thought the Braves played tonight but I guess not.


  386. 398 Gil in Mechanicsville September 15, 2008 at 11:19 pm

    FBG… They would have to give him beady eyes and a rat tail… Of course some folks would just think it was a possum…


  387. 399 flbravesgirl September 15, 2008 at 11:25 pm

    Still a giant rodent. I’ve had a few close encounters with possums, nasty things. Ick.

    Now, if it’s any comfort to you, I like Gov. Palin’s spunk & the fact that she has lived real life, unlike some politicians. I like her as a person, I just don’t agree with her politically.


  388. 400 Carolina Lady September 15, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    I really don’t understand firing your manager at THIS time of year. Just odd.

    Somehow, it just wouldn’t surprise me if he wound up back in ATL in some capacity.


  389. 401 Gil in Mechanicsville September 15, 2008 at 11:30 pm

    Fair enough… but I am a pretty moderate conservative… 🙂 I don’t really care if the government does anything for me just as long as they don’t take anything from me….

    I paid enough in taxes over the years to qualify for the golden key and have had a few bouts with the IRS along the way… Nasty little people…. much like possums… Come to think of it, they tend to be scavengers too….


  390. 402 flbravesgirl September 15, 2008 at 11:31 pm

    Exactly, CL. Especially when they’re in a good position to make the postseason.


  391. 403 Gil in Mechanicsville September 15, 2008 at 11:31 pm

    Yep CL, I’d take him… but I suspect he will get another chance somewhere.


  392. 404 Gil in Mechanicsville September 15, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    Okay, time to hit the rack… catch ya’ll later


  393. 405 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 16, 2008 at 2:36 am

    Gil, they had an 1 1/2 hour Baseball tonight I just got thru watching…I think they thought there were more games as well, when they touched on the same story for the 3rd time. 😕

    They mainly talked about Yost, and to toot my own horn for a sec (TOOOT!)
    Olney and Kruk said what I said earlier, this is it for them, Brewers need to win this year, because the team next year won’t be very good. And they have flat out stunk this month. 3-8 or 3-9. And they collapsed last year as well.

    Olney said someone close to the team said as tight as the Brewers were playing a week or so ago, that Dale Sveum might just end up finishing the year….And it’s funny, reading in print what Ryan Braun said, verses hearing them, was the difference of night and day. Print sounded like he was saying it was purely the teams fault…hearing him talk about it, sounded like a guy just not wanting to blame the manager.

    I have a feeling they are going to play a bit better now….


  394. 406 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 16, 2008 at 2:45 am

    The other story was related to Milwaukee as well, as the formerly red hot Astros were nearly no hit in back to back games. 1 hit in two games, a record Houston most likely wanted.

    And Kruk was quite upset that the Astros had to play now, period, never mind in Cubs country. He said how folks had to leave their families who were without electricity, or phones, to play baseball.

    Doug Brocail(sp) called in, saying how tough it had been, and while he couldn’t speak for everyone, that 99.9 %(Strange stat for a team of….of, well, 40 or less right now) would have much rather have played the games during the 2 days off between the end of the season and the start of the playoffs…..

    Still wonder why they didn’t play on truly neutral ground like at the Ted. A bit closer than Milwaukee as well…


  395. 407 Gil in Mechanicsville September 16, 2008 at 8:05 am

    Because the Seligs get the concession money by playing in Milwaukee.. Is that cynical or what? And you are right about cutting the Astros some slack for the emotional turmoil they are going thru..


  396. 408 Salty September 16, 2008 at 8:54 am

    SG…you called me ‘and idiot’ (Chik-fil-A owns the cow!)! Thanks a lot! 😛
    Actually, I was playing on your alliteration!

    FBG…no worries…I don’t agree with all of Palin’s positions either. Then again, my wife and I don’t agree on everything, but I’m not going anywhere. (She may throw me out, but that’s different!)

    Gil…nice observation on Palin: attacking her is attacking me. She is the most ‘dirt under the nails’ politician I’ve seen in years…or is that ever?


  397. 409 Savannah Guy September 16, 2008 at 8:59 am

    Don’t agree with Palin’s positions? I’m not sure she has one that I don’t like.

    Particularly the one when she crosses her arms and crinkles her nose like that.



  398. 410 Savannah Guy September 16, 2008 at 9:04 am

    No Salty, your not and idiot or a looser but you play with a litter ations.

    Your not a nidiod.


  399. 412 Savannah Guy September 16, 2008 at 9:18 am

    Yost firing… odd. Wonder if the Brewers ‘screwed the pooch’ or if there is something behind the scenes or in the dugout that prompted or justified the move. Just read the ajc article but it was from an outsider perspective.

    If anybody sees anything more substantive or inside dope on the Yost oust (can those words go together?), throw a link here and I’ll buy you a chocolate chip cookie with raisins and pecans.

    Inquirer minds wanna know.


  400. 413 Savannah Guy September 16, 2008 at 9:22 am

    Could be back to back historic collapses for the Mutts.

    Flushing may take on new meaning.


  401. 414 Carolina Lady September 16, 2008 at 9:24 am

    Desperate move might just work for Brewers

    Some telling lines:

    Under Yost, a veritable Captain Queeg in the dugout, the tension was unbearable — and toxic for a team featuring so many prominent young players.

    This goes back to last season, when the Brewers pulled a similar collapse at a similar point in September. At one point, Yost told the players that jobs — his and his coaches’ — were at stake. Not the right message.

    The Brewers thought they were getting the next Bobby Cox when they hired Yost, the Braves’ former third-base coach, on Oct. 29, 2002. But many terrific baseball men respond poorly to the pressure of being a major-league manager. Add Yost to the list.

    Hm. Didn’t know that!


  402. 415 Savannah Guy September 16, 2008 at 9:44 am

    CL, thanks for the linkage… that was a much more insightful article. It paints quite a different picture of the situation. Not all managers can weather adversity, stress and competitive challenges and keep their cool under the pressure. Players will mirror a manager’s attitude. Uptight won’t win and fear of losing a job ain’t motivation.

    “a veritable Captain Queeg in the dugout…” Yikes.

    That’s why we fans have to be mindful when we get all misty eyed and jump on the bandwagon for an ex player that we like taking a job as coach or manager. One set of player or coach skills doesn’t necessarily translate into leadership skills. Yost’s fear of failure and knee-jerk reaction (as the walk to Ryan Howard demonstrated) is no way to build confidence in young players.

    Ned’s actions may have proven to the baseball world that he’s not manager material. If that story is a true representation of events and behaviors, I’d be surprised if he’s offered another skipper’s seat in the dugout.

    Maybe he’s a good coach… dunno.


  403. 416 Voice of Raisins September 16, 2008 at 9:50 am

    What a frustrating morning…

    I just got off the phone with the bank I use for one of my business accounts. It is a secondary “clearinghouse” account of sorts. I use it for online business, PayPal, etc. so that I can tag it online but protect the primary account and the business assets, meager as they are, from internet thievery.

    So the cutoff time for deposits to post on the current business day at this bank, Wachoviawhich shall remain nameless, is 2:00pm. I made 2 transactions from that account on Friday, one as a debit, one as a deposit from the primary account to cover the debit. Both occured after 2:00pm. The deposit posted on Monday, the next business day, as I expected. The debit posted on Friday, and was returned for NSF!!! I spent a half-hour on the phone withcustomer service this morning trying to get an explanation and some form of satisfaction.

    My explanation? Deposits have a 2:00pm cutoff time for posting. Debit transactions have no cutoff time. My satisfation? There is a Regions Bank right acrss the street form the Wachovianameless bank. I am going this morning to withdraw my funds, close the account, and walk across the street.



  404. 417 Carolina Lady September 16, 2008 at 10:00 am

    That’s infuriating, Raisins. They have everything rigged strictly to their advantage.

    SG, that was a very informative article, in more ways than one, to me. Yost is no longer on my short list of prospects for manager of the Braves. Brian Snitker is still at the top of that list. Who else should we consider?


  405. 418 Voice of Raisins September 16, 2008 at 10:05 am

    Leo was on radio again this morning. He had a couple of great stories to share.

    Remember Juan Berenguer? Senor Smoke? He was pitching one night, and a ball was hit to left field where Lonnie Smith was playing. Lonnie didn’t make the catch and Senor Smoke was not very happy. Keep in mind, one thing Lonnie was known for was his hustle and his intensity. After the inning, in the dugout, Berenguer says to Bobby, “I think Lonnie maybe not hustle on that play.” Bobby looked down the way at Lonnie, then looked Berenguer in the eye and said, “You go tell him that.” He sat down… 😆


  406. 419 Salty September 16, 2008 at 10:15 am

    VOR…dollars to doughnuts, when you walk into the the branch to close your account, take your raincoat and galoshes. They’re going to slobber all over you apologizing for the mistake and they will return any fees you’ve paid. The fact is, face to face works…faceless don’t.

    While I’m pontificating, if there’s a good regional bank (not named Regions) you’re comfortable with, go that route. Bigger ain’t necessarily better no more…and seems to be shrinking daily. Whoa…whoa…whoa….oops! 😳 (Fell off my soapbox!)


  407. 420 Voice of Raisins September 16, 2008 at 10:17 am

    Great Rocker/Bobby story:

    Rocker was having a less than stellar outing, and Bobby went to the mound to take him out. Rocker had a very unhappy look on his face toward Bobby. As Rocker came into the dugout, he sat between Leo and Maddux. He looked at Leo and said, “Why’d he come get me? Have y’all lost confidence in me? I coulda finished the inning!” Leo looked at him and said, “Just let it go. Trust me, you’re our closer; just let it go.” Bobby came back into the dugout and was pacing around on the other end. (Leo said you can always tell when Bobby’s mad by the way he paces and the vein that pokes out of his neck) He walked his poking vein down to where Rocker was and said, “You ever look at me like that again, I’ll break your @#$%^ing neck!” Then he walked off. Leo said he looked over at Rocker, who was hanging his head very low, and saw Maddux was forcing back laughter, to which Leo advised, “I wouldn’t do that, if I were you.”



  408. 421 Savannah Guy September 16, 2008 at 10:30 am

    Who else should we consider?

    CL, I have no idea… but I’d like to see them take a very careful, strategic vetting process to find our next manager. I’d be very happy to have someone that has been through the fire and lead his troops to victory. Someone who all the players (the ones that are highly competitive and want to win) that have played for them, look up to and respect.

    This manager was probably in the minors for 5+ years and is now a bench coach. And no, it matters not a bit to me that they have no prior affiliation with the Braves and it matters even less that they were a Braves player.


  409. 422 Savannah Guy September 16, 2008 at 10:53 am

    Voraisins, that was a great Rocker/Cox story.

    Salty is right about that local bank v big bank advice. The bigger they come, the harder they fall… especially nowadays. Plus, the locals tend to know you by your name, not just your account number. They also know which flavor lollipop you prefer when you visit. 😀


  410. 423 Carolina Lady September 16, 2008 at 11:05 am

    SG, all of that fits Snitker except the ML bench coach part. Doing the research for the lead I wrote on him, I learned a lot – much more than I could incorporate into the piece.

    He has already ‘been there, done that’ in managing on every level except the major league level – from raw recruits to AAA. Outside of managing, he has worked in just about every position the organization has – from roving instructor to coach to manager, even working in the bullpen – for what? 20-some years? He was the manager in Pearl who had all the “baby” Braves who came up. He has worked around adversity and difficulty, including having his minor league teams gutted to fill the needs of the big club – and still kept going.

    His stated philosophy is to prepare the players in all aspects, instill in them the attitude of winning, and to put the best possible team on the field to win.

    I really like the guy. But you didn’t know that, did you? 😆


  411. 424 Voice of Raisins September 16, 2008 at 11:16 am

    Props for job well done
    By Rick Cleveland • rcleveland@clarionledger.com • September 16, 2008

    Phillip Wellman of the Mississippi Braves was appropriately voted the Southern League’s manager of the year. They should just retire the trophy, give Wellman permanent possession. Nobody’s ever done a better job. Nobody’s likely to ever do a better job.

    The Mississippi Braves who broke camp in Florida and came to Pearl to begin this season were the worst club I’ve seen in a quarter century of watching Class AA baseball in the Jackson area.

    They were, in a word, inept. They won only two of their first 17 games, six of their first 26. Yes, and then they won the Southern League championship.

    “The credit goes to the players,” Wellman said Monday morning on the way to the airport for a flight to Atlanta to join the Atlanta Braves for the remainder of the major league season.

    “They learned lessons that are going to last a lot longer than a Southern League championship season,” Wellman said. “They learned they can get more out of themselves than they think is possible. They learned that if you play as a team and play with heart, that anything is possible.”

    The Atlanta Braves, no doubt, are learning more about Wellman, a knowledgeable baseball man with a knack for reaching people. His future is bright.

    “I’m like any guy in this business with hopes and dreams of coaching and managing at the Big League level,” Wellman said. “Right now, I’m planning on being back in Mississippi next spring. I just hope and pray every day that I can continue to make a living in the beautiful game of baseball.”

    The 45-year-old Wellman remains best known nationally for his “You Tube” ejection from a game in Chattanooga in 2007. The guess here is he will be known for much more than that as his career progresses.


  412. 425 Voice of Raisins September 16, 2008 at 11:40 am

    I attempted to post a link to Phil Wellman’s infamous meltdown last year, but, alas, it rests in Salty’s filter. Simply google “Phil Wellman”, and a link will magically appear.


  413. 426 Carolina Lady September 16, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    Not in the filter – it’s empty.


  414. 427 Savannah Guy September 16, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    Maybe it’s in the Raisins filter.

    Wellman goes crazy.

    Wellman may be a great manager, may be a funny guy, may be a great fella to have a beer with, may be passionate and competitive and the infamous clip is hilarious, but… a really big BUT…

    Unfair or not, that one bizarre episode rules him out as a Braves manager in my book. Losing it momentarily or throwing a cap or getting in an umps face or cussing or kicking dirt on the plate or tossing a base into the field can fire up a team and let off steam… but acting out that lengthy, very long, drawn out psycho-charade was more than a little creepy. He was way over the edge or normal behavior. I just don’t think a manager should lose it like that, ever.

    But again… it was funny. Maybe Milwaukee could use him.


  415. 428 Voice of Raisins September 16, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    Hmmm… perhaps the problem occured somewhere between the seat and the keyboard. Highly possible… 😳


  416. 429 Carolina Lady September 16, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    I’m trying to project Wellman into an on-field confrontation with an umpire………. 😀


  417. 430 Voice of Raisins September 16, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    Lemme try again…


  418. 431 Voice of Raisins September 16, 2008 at 12:17 pm

    This is a good’un…


  419. 432 Voice of Raisins September 16, 2008 at 12:18 pm

    My favorite part is when he sneaks up on the resin bag, then grabs it and tosses it like a grenade at the ump. Classic! 😀


  420. 433 Carolina Lady September 16, 2008 at 12:20 pm

    💡 Now here’s a thought: somebody who has a lead coming up should do an in-depth report on Wellman!

    Berigan is up next, followed by

    Voice of Reason Raisins


  421. 434 Voice of Raisins September 16, 2008 at 12:43 pm

    Cox and the destroyed sink

    Not many people know it, but Cox once ripped a sink off the wall of a bathroom adjacent to the visitors’ dugout at Shea Stadium.

    Cox shared the story Friday when someone asked for the strangest thing he could recall from his many visits to Shea.

    “Who was the pitcher that hit [Phil] Niekro?” Cox asked. It was Craig Swan. “Yeah, Swan hit Niekro in the head,” he said. “I got [ticked] off and tore the sink off the wall in the bathroom. Water everywhere. I had to pay for it.”

    The incident occurred June 5, 1979. Swan beaned Niekro, setting off a benches-clearing brawl. Swan stayed in and threw a two-hit complete game in a 2-1 Mets win before a crowd of 9,808.



  422. 435 Voice of Raisins September 16, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    Brave new world ahead
    Nick Cafardo, Boston Globe

    Bobby Cox will honor his 2009 option year and return to manage the Braves, but he wants some changes. After 15 divisional titles, this has been Cox’s worst year. There have been injuries to John Smoltz and Tom Glavine, but Cox still sees both of them returning. What Cox wants is a dependable big bat in the lineup, a starting pitcher, and bullpen help. The Braves don’t usually delve heavily into the free agent market, but with $30 million-$40 million coming off the books, Cox has been assured that general manager Frank Wren is going to pursue free agents and seek trades. Among the hitters who might be on the Braves’ radar: Jason Bay (signed through 2009) and Matt Holliday.


  423. 436 Voice of Raisins September 16, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    Cox has been assured that general manager Frank Wren is going to pursue free agents and seek trades…


  424. 437 Savannah Guy September 16, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    Cox has been assured that general manager Frank Wren is going to pursue free agents and seek trades…

    Maybe that signifies something more certain or substantive than it sounds on the surface. Couldn’t every MLB manager have that same assurance and expectation… to pursue free agents, seek trades and other such common yearly activities? Could that be a Frank Wren Red herring?

    Rumor also has it that the Braves will play baseball next year and Liberty will pursue profits.


  425. 438 Voice of Raisins September 16, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    Point taken…

    … but it IS a slow news day…


  426. 439 Voice of Raisins September 16, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    Tonight’s fare: Braves vs. Philthies in Atlanta, 7:00pm on Fox SportsSouth

    22 year-old righty James Parr (1-0)


    106 year-old lefty Jamie Moyer (14-7)


  427. 440 Voice of Raisins September 16, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    According to police in Bethlehem, Pa., four kids (ages 9 to 14) grabbed a donation box in August at RiverPlace park (contributions to an organization that maintains the park’s portable toilets) and ran for nearby woods, with several police officers in pursuit. Three boys were caught, but the other made it a little ways into the woods before falling into a manure pit built by homeless people at their encampment. –The Morning Call (Allentown, PA)

    There’s some swift justice for ya! 😀


  428. 441 Voice of Raisins September 16, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    Mohammed Bello Abubakar, 84, a Muslim preacher in the western Nigerian state of Niger, told a BBC reporter in August that, although he personally has 86 wives (and 170 children), other men could not handle that many. “(M)y own power is given by Allah,” he said. “That is why I have been able to control 86 of them.” The usual maximum for Muslims is four, but Bello Abubakar said the Quran does not specify punishment for violation. Besides, he said, “I don’t go looking for (women). They come to me” because of his reputation as a healer. (Two weeks later, Reuters reported that local clerics were pressuring Bello Abubakar to divorce 82 wives of his choice, but a spokesman for the preacher said he was resisting.) –BBC News; Reuters


  429. 442 Voice of Raisins September 16, 2008 at 1:38 pm


    Makes me tired…


  430. 443 Voice of Raisins September 16, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    In July, Port St. Lucie, Fla., police stopped Timothy Placko in his car on a wooded road and discovered inside a blond wig, rope, binoculars, a small machete, knives, gloves, two bullet casings and a film canister that contained 18 human teeth. Also on the seat was a stack of women’s sonograms that Placko said he had downloaded from the Internet. He originally told police that he had pulled off the road to call (improbably) a “girlfriend,” but then admitted he was not calling anyone. He was charged with carrying a concealed weapon. –WPEC-TV (West Palm Beach)

    Sounds like a party! 😀

    Anybody heard from Grinch lately?


  431. 444 Savannah Guy September 16, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    Did they find fava beans and a bottle of chianti in Placko’s car too? 😯

    Good stuff Raisins and yes, it is a slow news day. Haven’t heard from the Grinch lately… and where is Klobber? Miss those guys around these parts. Maybe they busted Pappy out of the, uh, institution, stole a plane and flew to the Bahamas to open a Tiki Bar on the beach or something.

    They should at least send a postcard.


  432. 445 Gil in Mechanicsville September 16, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    Actually, Dave Brundage is another very good choice. I say that because he is a believer that speed kills.. Loves the small ball game, gets a lot out of the talent he has available. National League….


  433. 446 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 16, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    Holy Cow! Busy day here on the BS board! It took me longer than 5 seconds to catch up from my last post! Salty must be the right spice to spice things up here! 🙂

    CL’s choice of Snitker(Had to go back up to see how his name is spelled) or V’s choice of Phillip Wellman….they both sound good to me! I am surprised Wellman survived that melt down. I honestly thought that that manager must have been released soon afterwards….Must tell you how much the braves like him…..


  434. 447 Gil in Mechanicsville September 16, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    Actually, Bobby is pretty easy to play for… All he ask is for a pitcher to throw strikes that are not hit out of the park and hitters that don’t swing at pitches out of the strike zone… Also the ability to catch and throw are pretty high on his list… Not rocket science…


  435. 448 Voice of Raisins September 16, 2008 at 3:03 pm


    OK, the classic “milk out the nose” gag is pretty funny, but choking and spitting coffee back out through the schnoz is NO PICNIC!!! (Makes a mess on the ol’ desk blotter, too!)

    I think I’m going on the DL…


  436. 449 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 16, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    You know whats fun??? Having my Dad leave the radio on behind me, and having him answer the phone and talk loud to a friend in front of me in the kitchen! 😕

    Quick, a pause…I can think again….V, sorry about the bank problem. Someone is going to be sorry you left them.

    I stopped using Bank of America for these kind of crappola. I could go in on the day my Credit card bill was due, lets say on a Friday, and they would then print on the receipt that I paid on Monday! 😡 Would then have to fight via phone, and then as a “courtesy” they would wave the $35 dollar late fee. Mighty white of them.

    There other trick was to make the payment due date on a Saturday or Sunday. That was nice. This was just as online banking was coming around, so that solved some of this stuff, but they were by far the worst….just sorry behavior, trying to trip busy people up so they could collect more money on top of high interest rates….


  437. 450 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 16, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    Poor VOR, I had no idea you had a drinking problem! :mrgreen:

    I remember being sick once, and vomiting oj out my nose….man, did that burn!!!!

    TMI?????? 😳


  438. 451 Voice of Raisins September 16, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    Credit unions… credit unions…


  439. 452 Voice of Raisins September 16, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    I would say the acidity level of coffee is much lower than…

    never mind…


  440. 453 Voice of Raisins September 16, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    Gotta go! Later..


  441. 454 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 16, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    Oh Lady, Carolina Lady!!! Just wrote me a new lead. A bit shorter than usual, but then again, I don’t have access to the players, like DOB does. I could be a beat writer…they clearly make tons of money, what with all Cd’s he buys. And money is a swell motivator! 😉


  442. 455 Salty September 16, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    …spitting coffee back out through the schnoz is NO PICNIC!!!

    Iced coffee, I hope!?! Can one snort Solarcaine? 😆 😕


  443. 456 Gil in Mechanicsville September 16, 2008 at 5:54 pm

    Painful image in my mind’s eye that one….


  444. 457 Savannah Guy September 16, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    Coffee, tea and milk aren’t good coming out of the nose. Better than Diet Coke.

    Snorting Solarcaine needs only to be practiced by effete snobs, Harvard professors and most in the media. The the way they hold their noses up in the air, sunburn in nasal passages is a distinct possibility.


  445. 458 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 16, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    Joe Torre,Ron Santo and Gil Hodges are among 10 players on the latest Hall of Fame ballot for Veterans Committee voters.

    Dick Allen, Jim Kaat and Luis Tiant are on the list, made up of major leaguers whose careers began in 1943 or later. Tony Oliva, Al Oliver, Vada Pinson and Maury Wills also were among the candidates announced Tuesday.

    Voting results will be announced Dec. 8 at baseball’s winter meetings in Las Vegas. A player needs 75 percent to be elected — the living 64 Hall members will vote.

    Last month, a ballot of 10 players from pre-1943 was announced: Bill Dahlen, Wes Ferrell, Joe Gordon, Sherry Magee, Carl Mays, Allie Reynolds, Vern Stephens, Mickey Vernon, Bucky Walters and Deacon White.

    A 12-person panel that includes Hall of Famers Bobby Doerr, Ralph Kiner and newly elected Dick Williams will vote on the older players, with nine votes needed for election.

    Induction ceremonies will be held on July 26.
    Managers, umpires and executives will next be considered by the Veterans Committee in 2009.


    Perhaps Ted Simmons was on a previous list, but I doubt it. Joe Torre is an interesting thought. He will get in on his managing alone, but might make it as a player. People forgot how good a player Al Oliver was. Over 2700 hits, .303 lifetime average, 1326 RBI’s….

    Of course, Ted Simmons had 1389 RBI’s 😉

    Dick Allen drove in 1119 RBI’s and 1848 hits, and he rates???? 🙄


  446. 459 Berigan ll, the worm turns September 16, 2008 at 6:31 pm

    I forgot to mention before, but there is no way we get Jason Bay. Red Sox need him, why would they trade him???? That’s almost like talk of teams like the Sox towards us. Yeah, I’m sure they’d love to get Gonzo for some nobody in their system….It ain’t gonna happen. Don’t know why the Globe writer would mention it!

    Now, Matt Holiday, that would be a guy to get!!!! He is a clutch right handed hitter, don’t care what his numbers are away from Mile High….


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