60: Winds of Change are in the Air – Part II

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by Gil in Mechanicsville

Continuing with the theme of pitching options for the Braves in 2009, I mentioned in my previous post that several young pitchers currently in the Braves organization could figure prominently in Atlanta’s plans. I’ll begin with a couple who spent time on the big league roster in 2008.

JoJo Reyes, the big young left-hander has all the tools to be a big time front line pitcher. Unfortunately, he does not seem to realize that as of yet. I think his biggest problem is he gives opposing hitters too much credit. Instead of challenging opposing batters, he tries too hard to nibble at the corners and ends up in trouble with guys on base via walks and instead of the occasional solo dinger, he will give up runs in bunches. Perhaps another year in triple A will pay dividends. After all, he is only 22 years old. Still plenty of time to develop into the player the Braves envision he will be.

Charlie Morton, another bright spot for the Brave this year, he has long had the stuff to be a major league pitcher but like many other young players, he was not sure he belonged. Guy Hanson, the pitching coach for the Richmond Braves had worked hard trying to instill the type of mental toughness required for him to be successful in the bigs. A tired arm slowed him down late in the season. After all,  those innings pitched in the Arizona Fall League and in Triple A counted too. He once again looked sharp when used for two innings of relief at the end of the season. I predict he will be one of the last pitchers to be cut at the end of spring training if the Braves make a few trades for a starter or sign a top line free agent. It should be a real dogfight between him and JoJo and Jorge for the final slots on the Braves staff.

Chuck James is still seeking the true meaning to life, or at the least his long lost ability to throw pitches that are not immediately struck with such force that his head snaps back as he watches the ball sail into the dark of night. If he was a golfer, you could describe his problem as having a case of the yips. A condition that arrives without warning and causes its victim to lose all confidence in his ability to play and makes even a two-foot putt an adventure. Chuck himself has stated he needed to re-learn how to pitch this year. From my observation his mechanics are so out of whack because he continues to try to throw across his body. It is really difficult to consistently throw a pitch to the spot you are aiming when you are changing the release point on every throw. Walks are a nemesis for him and when you combine that with his propensity to give up the long ball, an ERA that resembles the score of an Olympic gymnast is likely. He is still searching for that elusive third pitch that would prevent batters from waiting on his change-up. You can get away with only having two pitches if you also have the control necessary to keep the ball off the sweet spot of the bat but the inability to perform as needed usually results in a short afternoon for the starter and a long afternoon for the bullpen.

Anthony Larew, looked to have turned to corner and had a great future ahead of him with Atlanta. Unfortunately for him, his arrival in Atlanta coincided with a blown out elbow and the need for Tommy John surgery. Bummer…. I am happy to say he returned to the Richmond club late this season and looked good for a guy coming off rehab. he had a couple of shaky starts the first week in August but started to come around after that. I expect he will continue to improve his arm strength and be ready to challenge for the final spot in the rotation for the big Braves. If not, he will be a short cab ride away in Gwinnette and likely be one of the first call ups should the Braves staff revert to 2008 form next year.

Up and coming Tommy Hanson is going to be on a lot of Atlanta Braves fans’ short list next year. I would expect quite a few folks will want to rush him to the big leagues considering his good numbers in Pearl this year. More likely for him will be a year or at least beginning of his Atlanta stay in the yet to be named Gwinnette stadium. I would suggest that he be allowed to learn how to pitch before he is thrown into the lion’s den. After all, a mistake made in the minors is a life lesson not often repeated in the majors. No need to ruin him mentally when he has such a great future. Often folks forget that the quality of the hitting in the minors is much less than the majors. Instead of pitching around a good prospect, a pitcher is faced with a line-up of guys who can put the bat on the ball.

In part III, I will sum up my take on the bullpen prospects for 2009.


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437 Responses to “60: Winds of Change are in the Air – Part II”

  1. 1 Carolina Lady October 18, 2008 at 10:23 am

    Thank you very much, Gil! Excellent points – and some great lines in there! 😀


  2. 2 Gil in Mechanicsville October 18, 2008 at 10:47 am

    Good morning CL… Thanks, of course a trade could completely change our talking points. I still think the Braves should have made a play for Oswalt when they had the chance. Peavy would be a great addition. That said, even with great pitching, you still need enough offense to win those 2-1 and 3-2 gems we see in the National League. That is the realization of the Padres.

    Braves still need a big bat to replace Tex. Too bad Frenchy reverted to his pre major league level in his batting average.


  3. 3 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 18, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    excellent as usual Gil! I always forget about Jason Larew. And I like what I saw of Morton. He’s so skinny, if he puts on some weight, I wouldn’t mind seeing him in the rotation. He’s one of the few guys that actually pitched well in his very first start in the Bigs.
    Jo-Jo had that streak…let me look it up…Wow, his ERA for June was 3.58! He had 6 of 7 good starts. Then July 5th, 4 runs in 4 innings, and a weird start next time, 4 innings, 2 runs 5 hits and one walk. Why’d Bobby have such a quick hook?? Sometimes he forgets he needs to build up a kids confidence….after that game, only one decent start the rest of the way.


  4. 4 Gil in Mechanicsville October 18, 2008 at 7:12 pm

    Ber… I think a lot of folks forget the axiom that the fastest way to ruin a young pitcher is to rush him to the big leagues. The guys who think the majors are there to fill their fantasy league rosters.

    I am excited about the prospects of the Braves making a blockbuster trade. Still, I think it is going to take two pitchers. As much as I respect Smoltz, I know things can happen to set a player back. (See the picture of Mike Hampton)…

    The bullpen is not going to have the services of Moylan at the beginning of the season. The Bravos need not get to far in a hole in April and May.


  5. 5 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 19, 2008 at 12:08 am

    Gee, is Boston going to win again??? I really was rooting for Tampa…I should just pretend to root for the overdog, and then teams like Tampa would win. 😕
    I even seem to be coming down with a cold….nurtz…


  6. 6 Savannah Guy October 19, 2008 at 8:17 am

    Great lead Gil. Funny too. You pretty much nailed it with your pitching coach-like assessment of the young’uns and young guns.

    Chuck himself has stated he needed to re-learn how to pitch this year.

    That quote or paraphrased sentiment pretty much sums it up for Chuck James. One of Chuck’s main troubles is that he can’t seem to remember hitters and situations enough to have any kind of edge on the opposition. Remember last spring when he commented that he couldn’t remember who hit the 400′ bomb off of him just a few days earlier? His own teammate Joe Borchard (right?) hits a blast like that and he couldn’t remember the AB. It was pretty much a joke with our vet aces at the time. They ribbed Chuck about it.

    Anyhoo, until Chuck figures out how to remember hitters and their habits in situations he’ll be a mediocre pitcher at best. Now, if his mechanics were good enough or his control was impeccable and he had good stuff, he could get by for a while at some level just taking all cues from McCann, but he doesn’t possess great mechanics or talent in those areas either.

    So, with Mr. James, if it ain’t mechanics, it’s control. If it ain’t good stuff it’s remembering hitters. Yes, Chuck was right. He’ll have to re-learn how to pitch this year, next year, this week, next week and so on.

    Maybe it’s just the ‘yips’. 😆


  7. 7 Savannah Guy October 19, 2008 at 8:21 am

    Maybe Chuck could get a teleprompter like the politicians use.


  8. 8 Savannah Guy October 19, 2008 at 8:28 am

    Fishing report:

    Went out Friday and caught trout, red drum (spot tail bass), sheepshead and flounder. Didn’t catch anywhere near the limit on anything, but the tides were springing almost nine feet, so we felt pretty good about the luck we had.

    The weather was great, calm seas in the sound, slight breeze, sunny and mid-day temp in the mid-80’s. Then yesterday summer turned to winter. I’d like some fall now please. Actually I love this time of year. Like a box of chocolates…


  9. 9 Savannah Guy October 19, 2008 at 8:36 am

    Now, back to baseball. I’m a little torn because we have a Cinderella Tampa Bay team that has played great, they don’t have a bunch of spoiled superstars with huge salaries, who play as a team and who deserve to be in the big dance. But, they happen to be playing MY Boston Red Sox.

    Since the Bosox are my long time AL guys I gotta stick with’em of course, but either way it turns out, it’s been a great series. What’s better than a 7 game series?

    World Series Prediction:

    If Boston gets there they take the Phillies in 6.

    If Tampa Bay goes, they win in 5.

    Go Bosox!


  10. 10 Savannah Guy October 19, 2008 at 8:44 am

    Just a little sunday morning blog domination. Just working the kinks out and such.

    I always forget about Jason Larew. And I like what I saw of Morton. He’s so skinny, if he puts on some weight, I wouldn’t mind seeing him in the rotation.

    Me too Bear… forget about Larew. Those guys and Jo Jo have the talent, just hope they are brought along and managed properly. That’s all it’ll take for those guys to be good in the bigs. Remember when Avery, Glavine and Smoltz broke in? Who would’a thunk they’d be what they were? I still wonder what really happened to Avery and if it was fixable.


  11. 11 Savannah Guy October 19, 2008 at 8:47 am

    Phillies are gonna be cold and rusty by the time the WS starts. Maybe a Rockie-like scenario… but I’m sticking with my predictions.


  12. 12 Savannah Guy October 19, 2008 at 8:50 am

    Can’t wait to watch Sarah on SNL this afternoon. Got it on my DVR, ’cause I barely made it through the game last night. So, if you don’t see it live, is it SND or SNR?


  13. 13 Savannah Guy October 19, 2008 at 8:50 am

    That’s all I got.


  14. 14 Gil in Mechanicsville October 19, 2008 at 8:54 am

    Good morning all, yes the weather came in yesterday and it was down to 34 last night. I fear that if I don’t make the drive to the mountains pretty soon, I will miss God’s handy work yet another year. Of course, it’s pretty nice here at home too. We the price of gas dropping, I expect more folks to be out and about.

    This might be the year where old and experienced beats out young and talented in the ACLS. Did you ever see a bunch of guys no one ever heard of like Tampa Bay has play so well? I have seen quite a few of these kids play when Durham came to town to play Richmond the past couple of years. Tampa has a ton of talent down on the farm.

    Va Tech was edge out by Boston College last night and one must wonder how Tech has a winning record. No real offense to speak of. May be Beamer’s best coaching job in years. Looks like Texas is the best team in college this year, whew, them boys are awesome.


  15. 15 Savannah Guy October 19, 2008 at 9:07 am

    Oh, one more thing. Oh, hey Gil. Well, there goes my blog domination streak (that’s a good thing… was getting out of hand).

    We needed just a few posts to hit the 600 mark on the last blog. That just doesn’t seem right, to leave it so close like that. Maybe I’ll go back there and add a few. That takes a lotta gall, eh? Milestones are good. Gallstones are not good. Miles Davis is good. Miles Standish was good ‘n early. Rolling Stones are good ‘n old. Stone Temple Pilots are good. So much music and history.

    So many Miles and Stones… too many to cover.


  16. 16 Gil in Mechanicsville October 19, 2008 at 9:36 am

    At least you didn’t mention Sarah Mills… Then would have needed to talk about millstones too….

    And this came across my desk this morning…



  17. 19 Gil in Mechanicsville October 19, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    Thanks for the link Raisins, you will notice Larew started to come around after his first two starts. I hesitate to offer too much on prospects I have not seen which is why I did not include more players. I will confess to not seeing Hanson but there is a lot of info on him in the media.


  18. 20 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 19, 2008 at 5:32 pm

    I still wonder what really happened to Avery and if it was fixable.
    If you ask me(Not that you did) it’s Dwight Gooden syndrome. No, he didn’t snort coke, he pitched way too many innings at way too young an age.
    baseball-reference.com does not have minor league stats before 1992. All I can tell is that at the age of 20, he pitched in 21 games, 20 of which were starts, more than half a season in other words. 99 innings.
    Then, at the age of 21, he pitched 210 innings during the regular season, then another 29+ high stress innings in the playoffs.
    233 innings the next year(yet only 2 complete games!)with another 20 innings in the playoffs. How many 22 year olds would throw 253 innings in a season these days??? 223 innings(plus 13 more playoff time) at the age of 23 .
    Never pitched more than 173 innings again.
    Plus, he threw all those curveballs. I remember Steve Stone talking about the year he won 25 games(Just looked it up, at the age of 32) and he said he threw a ton of curveballs that year. Next year he was injured,(4-7) and never pitched again.


  19. 21 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 19, 2008 at 5:57 pm

    From Rosenthal, bia Mlbtraderumors…
    osenthal says that he was wrong in stating that Derek Lowe would prefer to remain on the West Coast. Lowe has now told him that he’d prefer to go East, with Boston being his top choice. He reiterated this desire to the Boston Globe’s Nick Cafardo.


  20. 22 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 19, 2008 at 6:18 pm

    From Rosenthal, via Mlbtraderumors…
    osenthal says that he was wrong in stating that Derek Lowe would prefer to remain on the West Coast. Lowe has now told him that he’d prefer to go East, with Boston being his top choice. He reiterated this desire to the Boston Globe’s Nick Cafardo.


  21. 23 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 19, 2008 at 6:20 pm

    Ha! It said duplicate post, so I didn’t think it had really posted…silly me! That’s what I get for trying to correct a post whilst posting! 😳


  22. 24 Gil in Mechanicsville October 19, 2008 at 7:16 pm

    Man… I hate it when I write an “epic post” only to have it disappear into cyberspace …. Gone like a freight train…

    Anyway, Ber, Your observation is spot on. I cannot help but think about Mark Fidrych of the Tigers who had his career destroyed from over use at an early age. The landscape is littered with many such cases. That is why I worry about Jair. he went from a number 5 to a number one in one season. I know it is going to come back to bite the Braves at some point.


  23. 25 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 19, 2008 at 7:21 pm

    Gil, I hate when that happens! 😡
    Do you use Mozilla??? I have had that happen and it’s gone with IE,(this page has expired, etc) but I have backed up on Mozilla and actually found it!


  24. 26 Gil in Mechanicsville October 19, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    Ber, I had the privilege of seeing Avery pitch while he was here in Richmond, a Star to be sure, but you are spot on in you observation about the collation of shortened careers and youth. Before the “win now at all cost” mantra set in, young pitchers were used as fifth starters. This reduced the number of innings pitched dramatically.


  25. 27 Gil in Mechanicsville October 19, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    Well, some of my best work has vanished into thin air on more than one occasions. Oh well, I will reconstruct it later. Working on my assessment for next year’s bullpen…


  26. 28 Gil in Mechanicsville October 19, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    Watching the Raiders and the Jets go at it… Many years ago I was a Jets fan. Then the leagues merged… Still loved “Broadway Joe”..


  27. 29 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 19, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    Gil, that’s a good point, keeping a kid the fifth starter all year long.
    I think I got my maddest at Bobby not sitting him with blisters and having him start on 3 days rest.
    Sometimes the worst thing that can happen to a pitcher, is pitch beyond their years….


  28. 30 Gil in Mechanicsville October 19, 2008 at 11:01 pm

    6 outs to go for Tampa Bay… Where have I seen this nightmare before?


  29. 31 Gil in Mechanicsville October 19, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    Oh… Did I mention baseball in Richmond for 2009 is now deemed highly unlikely? No problem…. I won’t have the extra money needed for tickets anyway…


  30. 32 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 19, 2008 at 11:49 pm

    Congrats to Tampa Bay Rays, American League champs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    SG, I congratulate you staying a fan of the Sox….a few years ago, I would have been heartbroken, but they have 2 of the last 4 rings, they will be back…..


  31. 33 flbravesgirl October 20, 2008 at 12:16 am

    See? Destiny. I could see it coming. Dad is bummed, of course, but not as much as he would be if his Sox hadn’t won 2 in the last 4 seasons.


  32. 34 flbravesgirl October 20, 2008 at 12:18 am

    Great scouting report, Gil. How about a 2nd career doing evaluations for Los Bravos?


  33. 35 Savannah Guy October 20, 2008 at 12:30 am

    As much as I wanted my team to win it and go to the big dance, no Bosox this year in the WS. They had their chances with RISP so many times.

    Tip o’ the cap to Tampa’s pitching. Tampa Bay earned the trip. They are a great team… like the 91 Bravos.

    Go Tampa Bay!


  34. 36 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 20, 2008 at 12:41 am

    Watch it before they pull it like the earlier version was…

    Obama Supporters Heckle at McCain Rally


  35. 37 Gil in Mechanicsville October 20, 2008 at 5:58 am

    A star is born… That kid Price can really pitch. Of course the strike out call of Mark Kotsey was bogus but that was a make up call for the walk that preceded him.

    I would normally predict a slug fest with Tampa and Phillie but it’s the World Series so we can just as easily have 4 low scoring games.

    Now, that said, I could not get over how giddy the Rays winning made me feel. Nice to see that kind of enthusiasm. Reminds me of another worst to first team before they became jaded.


  36. 38 Gil in Mechanicsville October 20, 2008 at 5:59 am

    And Willie Aybar… who would have thunk it??? Talk about redemption..


  37. 39 Gil in Mechanicsville October 20, 2008 at 6:07 am

    Ber.. The union guy in that video makes me feel embarrassed. It is why we resisted national unions. (We were independent)… I remember my first union though, the treasurer was some mafia type from New Jersey who was indicted for stealing from the pension fund. That happened a lot by the way. (The stealing, not the indictments) Of course the government passed a law during the Clinton administration that allowed companies to do the same thing. Come to think of it, the congress does the same with social security…. Just goes to show it’s tough trusting other people with your money…


  38. 40 Gil in Mechanicsville October 20, 2008 at 6:08 am

    Of course with Aybar, I did look extra close to make sure he touched all the bases…. Something he seemed to have trouble with while playing in Atlanta.


  39. 41 Gil in Mechanicsville October 20, 2008 at 6:46 am

    FBG… I have the eye and the ability but I am afraid I don’t have the pedigree… Just goes to show how important the paper work is.. 🙂

    That said, the things I am really an expert in, I don’t want to do anymore. Uh.. I think the term is “burn out”…


  40. 42 Voice of Raisins October 20, 2008 at 8:27 am

    Amazing link that a neighbor sent me:

    [audio src="http://www.bpmdeejays.com/upload/hs_sal_in_Harlem_100108.mp3" /]


  41. 43 Voice of Raisins October 20, 2008 at 8:27 am

    I don’t know why I am surprised. 🙄


  42. 44 Voice of Raisins October 20, 2008 at 8:29 am

    Congrats to the Rays. The Price kid was impressive.

    Rays in 6. Burrell will disappear, as will Utley and Howard to a lesser degree. Victorino will be their only hope.


  43. 45 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 20, 2008 at 8:31 am

    VOR, that is amazing! Kinda of made me cringe. I think you could do that with any very pro Obama group though….


  44. 46 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 20, 2008 at 8:36 am

    It would be funnier, if he wasn’t the main news source for a lot of people under the age of 40…

    Jon Stewart to Sarah Palin: ‘[Expletive] You.’
    Speaking to a college audience in Boston, Mass. Friday, “Daily Show” host Jon Stewart used his stand-up routine to respond to Sarah Palin’s comments about “pro-America” parts of the country, shedding the profanity restrictions that govern his Comedy Central show.

    “She said that small towns, that’s the part of the country she really likes going to because that’s the pro-America part of the country. You know, I just want to say to her, just very quickly: [expletive] you,” Stewart said to raucous applause.

    Palin addressed a North Carolina fund-raiser Thursday night saying, “We believe that the best of America is not all in Washington, D.C. We believe…that the best of America is in these small towns that we get to visit, and in these wonderful little pockets of what I call the real America, being here with all of you hard working very patriotic, very pro-America areas of this great nation.”

    The comment was quickly picked up by media outlets and the Obama campaign, whose spokesman Bill Burton asked in an e-mail to reporters, “What part of the country isn’t pro-America?”

    Stewart didn’t let his own harsh language stop him from criticizing John McCain and Palin for divisiveness.

    “I can’t take it anymore…After eight years of this divisiveness, we’re back to this idea that only small-town America is the real America,” he said.

    The Manhattan native accused the Republicans of “writing off whole swaths of the country,” saying “cities are just a lot of towns piled on top of each other in one place. ”

    During the same routine, however, he seemed to write off Palin’s rural swath of the country, referring to the governor’s home not as Alaska, Wasilla, or Juneau, but as “the woods.”

    “McCain made an interesting vice presidential choice,” he said. “I like the woods…I just don’t know if I would pull my vice president out of the woods randomly.”

    Stewart also joked about Palin’s recent statements on Barack Obama’s links to domestic terrorist Bill Ayers and Obama’s abortion stances, distorting her statements:

    “I’ve never seen someone with a greater disparity between how cute they sound when they’re saying something and how terrible what they’re saying is,” he said, launching into an impression of Palin. “Don’tcha know, Obama, by golly, he just is a terrorist?… Oh, you know, he just, gosh, kills babies, you know.”

    Palin has referred to the relationship between Obama and Ayers by saying Obama “pals around with terrorists.” She has also attacked his opposition to a state version of the federal Born Alive Infant Protection Act during his time in the Illinois senate, which would have required that medical care be given to infants born alive during attempted abortions.

    The media has devoted hundreds of stories of late to the tenor of audience comments at McCain-Palin rallies, fretting about “rage” and “incitement” by the campaign, but the only account of Stewart’s appearance is a one-sentence mention in the Boston Globe, and his abusive Palin comments are not included.

    Below is video of Stewart’s comments, with the audio improved as much as possible (earphones may help). A rough transcript of the video is after the jump. Please observe a content warning for bad language and some crass jokes:

    “He (McCain) made an interesting vice presidential choice.

    I like the woods…I just don’t know if I would pull my vice president out of the woods randomly.

    She came out again today. She was talking to a small town, she said that small towns, that’s the part of the country she really likes going to because that’s the pro-America part of the country.

    You know, I just want to say to her, just very quickly…[expletive] you.

    I’ve never seen someone with a greater disparity between how cute they sound when they’re saying something and how terrible what they’re saying is.

    Don’t ya know, Obama, by golly, he just is a terrorist? What? Oh, you know, he just, gosh, kills babies, you know.

    I’m so over the idea that only small-town America is the heart and soul. Small-town America is fine, but it’s the same as cities. Cities are just a lot of towns piled on top of each other in one place.

    They have this whole thing that somehow we can write off entire swaths of the country, that we are somehow…I get it. You know, New York City wasn’t good enough for [expletive] Osama bin Laden, it better be good enough for you.

    I can’t take it anymore. After eight years of this divisiveness, we’re back to this idea that only small-town America is the real America.

    I get it. I’m from New York. We have a lot of gay people. But homosexuals don’t have sodomy on Russian flags.”



  45. 47 Gil in Mechanicsville October 20, 2008 at 9:16 am

    It’s okay today to be derisive towards any right leaning individual but the editors of the major news outlets have been swinging to the hard left for years. Boy, are they going to be surprised when they are assigned a “minder” to make sure they print the party line.

    Jon Steward is what he is, another piece of trash….

    No, they don’t have sodomy on Russian flags, they defile our flag….


  46. 48 Gil in Mechanicsville October 20, 2008 at 9:35 am

    I don’t care who you are, this is funny!

    Guide for Seniors converting to digital TV


  47. 49 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 20, 2008 at 10:27 am

    Gil, that is pretty funny! 😀

    Saw the dopes on the “regular” fox channel, Mike and Julianne?(They were much better and funnier on Fox and Friends on the weekends, now just some very fake hacks, IMHO) with more dopes talking about Joe the Plumber.
    Still can’t get their bleepin’ facts right about the guy. Some women said, his name is Samuel J. Worzelbacher, his real name is Samuel. And of course no one corrected her!!!! 😡 No you stupid ___ his middle name is Joseph aka Joe, which means, his real name is Joe!!! Just like my best friend. He goes by Brian, but his “real” name is Thomas.

    Oh, and another thing another dippy woman with a no doubt faux British accent(Why not just spread lies about folks you don’t know?) said, was it was embarrassing that he wasn’t even registered to vote. Just looked this up, he was registered to vote. From the NYT(So take it with a grain of salt, they also acted like he was already a business owner, which he isn’t)

    Mr. Wurzelbacher is registered to vote in Lucas County under the name Samuel Joseph Worzelbacher.

    “We have his named spelled W-O, instead of W-U,” Linda Howe, executive director of the Lucas County Board of Elections, said in a telephone interview. “Handwriting is sometimes hard to read. He has never corrected it in his registration card.”


  48. 50 Gil in Mechanicsville October 20, 2008 at 10:38 am

    Ber… You must remember, they are not “journalist” they are teleprompter readers… They are not required to think…

    Stay Classy San Diego …


  49. 51 Gil in Mechanicsville October 20, 2008 at 10:39 am

    And I hate to have to confess this but… My real name is not “Mechanicsville”… 😦


  50. 52 Gil in Mechanicsville October 20, 2008 at 10:42 am

    And “Colon” Powell reaffirms that blood is thicker than ideology…. Who knew?


  51. 53 Voice of Raisins October 20, 2008 at 10:43 am



  52. 54 Voice of Raisins October 20, 2008 at 10:44 am

    I need to check my voter registration card to see if I am registered under Raisins or Reason!


  53. 55 Gil in Mechanicsville October 20, 2008 at 10:46 am

    Okay, I’m off to the dump… They don’t have trash pick up out here in the “real America” … I guess what the hogs won’t eat must be disposed in the politically correct way.

    By the way, a pig is the ultimate recycling machine…


  54. 56 Gil in Mechanicsville October 20, 2008 at 10:47 am

    Anyone who ever used the expression No s**t never lived on a farm…


  55. 57 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 20, 2008 at 10:52 am

    Gil, shocked, shocked I am! I did think you were from Georgia for a long time…where in the wide, wide world of sports did your town get it’s name???


  56. 58 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 20, 2008 at 11:02 am

    Gil, I am very disappointed on Colin Powell. Always liked the guy. But, to do this, so close to the election. Stinks. Bet he gets some job in the Admin, just like pretend republican Chuck Hagel(Our next secretary of Defense? So that’s why he hasn’t said one negative thing about Obama!)
    Drudge has 2 headines about Powell. One, has him saying race was not a factor, the other from months ago has him saying a black President would be electrifying. Ok….
    Rush said something about this on a sunday…
    Where are the inexperienced, white liberals Powell has endorsed?
    Good question! No one will ask it in the lame stream press, but when have they ever asked tough question??? Like you said Gil, reading a teleprompter and moving your head in unnatural ways is what gets you the job of an TV reporter/anchor…


  57. 59 Voice of Raisins October 20, 2008 at 11:04 am

    This from Neal Boortz:

    Don’t you find it just a bit odd that the mainstream New York and DC media has spent more time investigating Joe the Plumber than they have William Ayers? Why attack Joe? It’s very simple. Because his question hurt. His question led to another wonderful unscripted moment from Barack Obama .. that being his comment about spreading the wealth. Will this be our future in the ObamaNation? Become a critic of The Messiah and the investigations begin. Can’t you see the big screen televisions in public places with the featureless face telling you “Do not question the Dear Leader.” Didn’t they write a book about that?


  58. 60 Carolina Lady October 20, 2008 at 11:06 am

    Ohdama just announced that Powell WILL have a place in his administration. 20 pieces of silver?

    Ever notice that it is the Ohdama people who are doing the repulsive things, being inappropriate, and just plain ugly and rude??


  59. 61 Voice of Raisins October 20, 2008 at 11:07 am

    More Boortz:

    Sorry, Secretary Powell, but associations do count. You can judge a man’s character by the type of people he surrounds himself with. Look at Obama. You have William Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, Tony Rezko. If Obama were applying for a security clearance these associations would probably disqualify him. That’s right. This may be the first time in history that the President of the United States wouldn’t qualify for a security clearance if he were a private citizen.


  60. 62 Voice of Raisins October 20, 2008 at 11:10 am

    McCain suggests Obama tax policies are socialist


    Why, oh, why did he wait too late to say this?


  61. 63 Voice of Raisins October 20, 2008 at 11:23 am

    Filtered! 😡


  62. 64 Voice of Raisins October 20, 2008 at 11:26 am

    Actual email received by Boortz:

    As I drove to the grocery store on Friday, I listened as you revealed your concern for displaying a McCain-Palin bumper sticker for fear your car will be keyed. I have the same fear and have resisted putting a sign in my yard or a bumper sticker for similar reasons. As I was returning to my car at the grocery store, I noticed a McCain-Palin bumper sticker on a very nice Lexus. The owner was placing her bags in her car. I told her I was a McCain supporter and that I gave her credit for displaying the sticker and told her of my fear of having my car keyed (I have a Lexus SC 430–but regardless of the make or model, no one wants their property vandalized). She paused for several seconds before responding, “You know, I have this funny scratch on my car and I can’t figure out how it happened. It showed up last week. What do you think it is?” Well, Neal, I’ve lived in Los Angeles and New York and Dayton and I know when a car’s been keyed. Sure enough, that’s what happened to her car, just above the front left wheel well. A long scratch about 18″ long.

    So typical…


  63. 65 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 20, 2008 at 11:27 am

    V, I am afraid we are all going to be called racists in the next 4 years. I say next 4 years since Pelosi said and I quote….100% Barack’s gonna win.

    Riots if he doesn’t win! That will be the talk if the numbers tighten up more, or if McCain still wins inspite of the world wanting Obama….


  64. 67 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 20, 2008 at 11:32 am

    CL, how about that!!! I didn’t know that!!! Bet no one asked him this question yesterday…


  65. 68 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 20, 2008 at 11:49 am

    The guy that runs mlbtraderumors does a nice job, but I about had a heart attack when I saw this…
    David O’Brien figures the Braves will have to surrender Yunel Escobar, Kelly Johnson, Tommy Hanson to get it done.

    Then I read the post, nothing about all 3 of them….DOB does make it sound like Yunel is a bit moody though….have you all ever seen him interviewed after games??? I was thinking I had, but perhaps it was in 2007???
    Perhaps cutting Brayan Pena really did sour him….
    Speaking of Brayan Pena, just looked at his minor league stats…did you know the last 5 years he has hit .300 or better every year??? Too bad we didn’t give him a chance to be the back up catcher, but then again, when you can rake like Corky….


  66. 69 Gil in Mechanicsville October 20, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    Uh… You heard it here first… I was roundly criticized by you know who when I mentioned it last season before Escobar was called up. Was told they did not see it at all. Well, it’s hard for a guy to change his personality. He just does not deal with adversity very well. hey, some folks are just like that. After all, just because you are paranoid does not mean people aren’t out to get you…

    Ber.. Mechanicsville was named as such because that is where it garage was located. Actually, the smithy.. Anyway, even though I am only a few miles from the city, I am in another world here in Hanover County. Best line overheard at the last Board of Supervisor’s meeting when they discussed curtailing firearms use because the city folks moving into the county said it made them nervous was if they don’t like it, move back to the city… Second best line came from a guy who asked… “Tell me the last time you heard of a bullet striking someone’s house by accident, then tell me the last time you heard of a deer running into a car”… DUH… 🙂

    Mechanicsville, VA, “real America” USA.. 🙂


  67. 70 Gil in Mechanicsville October 20, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    And the Brave will give up Kelly Johnson or Escobar but not both… More likely Johnson…


  68. 71 Voice of Raisins October 20, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    Back to baseball…

    You know, the more I think about it, this whole Jake Peavy thing could just be a “perfect storm” scenario for the Braves.

    1) Jake Peavy is exactly the type of starter the Braves need for more reasons than I can adequately describe here. He has a full no-trade clause, therefor giving a limited number of teams the ability to explore trade possibilities. The Braves are reportedly #1 on a very short list.

    2) The Pads are seeking MLB ready prospects including pitching and middle infield in return. Due to some recent stockpiling, the Braves are one of few teams with the kind of players the Pads are seeking.

    3) Khalil Greene. The Pads would love to make the Greene/Escobar swap, thereby effectively reducing what would be an exhorbitant prospect cost to a mere expensive prospect cost.

    4) Brandon Hicks. This young SS, a 2007 3rd round pick out of Texas A&M, teammate of Jason Heyward and Freddie Freeman, will most likely play 2009 in AA Pearl. His numbers are typical of a youngster: low average, good power. He is still learning how to cut down on the K’s and harness the power he has from his relatively big frame for a SS. He was a 2008 Carolina league All-Star and led the league in HR’s much of the season. He is a bona fide ML prospect that could find a home in Atlanta in the near future.

    5) Martin Prado. Should the Pads desire KJ instead, Prado is waiting patiently in the wings.

    6) Gorkys Hernandez. If the Pads demand Jordan Schafer, we still have Hernandez rocketing up through the system.

    The bottom line is this: The Pads want to trade Peavy; Peavy would love to pitch in Atlanta; Atlanta would love to trot Peavy out every 5 days; the Braves have the pieces, under many combinations, to meet the Pads demands.


  69. 72 Gil in Mechanicsville October 20, 2008 at 12:30 pm

    Raisins, I think the Prado solution is very doable… Martin has improved greatly in the past two years. He is not a big homerun guy but he is a good RBI guy..

    Too bad Lillibridge regressed last season. I just cannot get over the difference in his play from 2007 to 2008.. I wonder if there was some type of injury we don’t know about. if you could have seen the difference I have in the two years you could understand. Just nit the same guy.

    Now, having said that, didn’t Ryan Langerhans look good at the end of last season. Washington got him to scrap everything the Braves had him doing and get back to his original batting style. Makes one wonder….

    Folks, you just cannot be thinking and hitting at the same time, try doing that and hitting a golf ball, and the golf ball is setting still.


  70. 73 Gil in Mechanicsville October 20, 2008 at 12:33 pm

    I still say the Braves should try to swap shortstops with the Marlins… Would help both clubs… And help both players…


  71. 74 Voice of Raisins October 20, 2008 at 12:34 pm

    Three words, Gil:

    Terry friggin’ Pendleton.

    He needs to crank up that big Harley and head out to greener pastures. He has single-handedly destroyed more than one Atlanta Braves hitter, including one much maligned right-fielder. WHY is he returning?


  72. 75 Gil in Mechanicsville October 20, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    Uh… quotas?


  73. 76 Voice of Raisins October 20, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    I still say the Braves should try to swap shortstops with the Marlins… Would help both clubs… And help both players…


    With the Marlins? Hanley Ramirez? Why would the Fish ever consider trading Ramirez?


  74. 77 Gil in Mechanicsville October 20, 2008 at 12:36 pm



  75. 78 Voice of Raisins October 20, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    I’d love it, but I can’t see it… He is probably the best all-around player in baseball right now, IMO.


  76. 79 Gil in Mechanicsville October 20, 2008 at 12:39 pm

    Just wait til he hits arbitration. It is the way of the Fish.. can’t blame them too much though, Terrible attendance. Was funny when the talking heads of the Marlin’s outlet were wondering out loud when the TV market numbers were so good but attendance so bad… Wife said… Old people don’t like sitting out in the sun…


  77. 80 Voice of Raisins October 20, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    Ramirez will probably end up the successor to Jeter in pinstripes… 😐


  78. 81 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 20, 2008 at 12:43 pm

    Gil, thanks for the 411 on Mechanicsville!
    Gil, Quotas??? 😯 😉 Terrence Moore would not like TP to lose his job, just because he’s no good at it….still Think TP will make a good manager, for some reason. Good thing, since he’s likely to be the next braves manager…


  79. 82 Gil in Mechanicsville October 20, 2008 at 12:44 pm

    By the way, my youngest son, currently of Sarasota FLA, called me last night at midnight to ask me if I had seen the game. he was giddy… I had to laugh. he has become a Tampa Bay Buccaneers fan too. And he was a big time Redskins fan from age 5… he said he was going to get tickets to the W/S… Lord I do miss him.. 😦


  80. 83 Gil in Mechanicsville October 20, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    Not until he becomes a free agent raisins..


  81. 84 Voice of Raisins October 20, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    Heck, Gil, my son’s just in school and will be home later, but I really miss him. 😀


  82. 85 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 20, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    Hanley Ramirez is going to start a 6 year, 70 Million contract in 2009. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3389809
    really cheap all things considered. Was surprised the Marlins did that. They may want to have him be the cornerstone, or they may know he’d be a huge bargaining chip in a year or so, signed so cheaply. They don’t need talent right now….


  83. 86 Gil in Mechanicsville October 20, 2008 at 12:49 pm

    okay, all this good baseball talk has me ready for some baseball… Oh, forgot.. still five months until spring training


  84. 87 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 20, 2008 at 12:50 pm

    Gil, tell him to buy a ticket for you too!!! 😀
    It was a great feeling watching them beat the Sox. It was not easy at all, but they did it…and like you said, brings back fond memories of 1991-92….


  85. 88 Gil in Mechanicsville October 20, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    Florida is the “poster child” for how to ruin young pitchers… Good thing they have such an endless supply..


  86. 89 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 20, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    Gil, if nothing else…lots of “talk” on the MLBtraderumors site from yesterday and today….


  87. 90 Voice of Raisins October 20, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    By the way, my son returned from his 6 week injury banishment to play all but 4 snaps at center this past Saturday. In the season’s last regular season game, his team defeated a previously undefeated team 19-7. The other team had only surrendered 18 points total in their previous 7 games combined. It was a terrific game, and my boy played well. 😀 Yes, I am very proud.

    Now, the playoffs, where we will meet the same team in the first round.


  88. 91 Gil in Mechanicsville October 20, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    Okay guys.. time to take a break.. Catch ya’ll later..


  89. 92 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 20, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    Gotta try to get some sleep. Slept 2 hours. Sure wish I could figure out why every time I get sick, it keeps me from sleeping! Must have the tiniest air passageways in the world, any inflammation, and I can’t breathe….


  90. 93 Voice of Raisins October 20, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    Does this mean I have to work now? 😦


  91. 94 Gil in Mechanicsville October 20, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    Uh, Ber… Something about not getting enough oxygen that makes you sleep light… And why you feel tired all the time…


  92. 95 Gil in Mechanicsville October 20, 2008 at 12:57 pm

    yep.. nose to the grind stone, shoulder to the wheel Raisins… Someone has to support social security. Maybe we could work it out where you can send you money directly to me, no use bothering Uncle Sam… 🙂


  93. 96 Gil in Mechanicsville October 20, 2008 at 12:57 pm

    Okay.. gone.. POOF!


  94. 97 Voice of Raisins October 20, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    And just that quickly, silence fell upon Stuffville…


  95. 98 Voice of Raisins October 20, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    Willie Randolph is “high on the Brewers’ list of potential managerial candidates”? And they fired Ned because he couldn’t close the deal late in the season? Have they even watched the Mets the past 2 years?


  96. 99 flbravesgirl October 20, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    Gil, your son is practically my neighbor. I’m in Bradenton, just north of him.

    Congrats to Raisins Jr. !

    I have to agree on TP. Always liked him & all that but he doesn’t seem to able to help anyone in his capacity as hitting coach.


  97. 100 Voice of Raisins October 20, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    A few NL teams are hardest after Peavy with the Braves the apparent early front-runner. Several executives said the Padres were doing a lot of background work last week on outfielder Jordan Schaefer, a recent top Atlanta prospect whose reputation has taken a huge hit because of an early season HGH-related suspension. Joel Sherman, NY Post



  98. 101 Voice of Raisins October 20, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    Much chatter everywhere about the Braves and Jake Peavy. It seems as though Yunel has emerged as the apparent “centerpiece” of the deal. Truly an interesting development.

    This much ruckus this early indicates to me that SD wants to get a deal done quickly so that they have the full offseason to put the roster together without adding new pieces late in the game. I like it. I think it gives Wren an edge.


  99. 102 Salty October 20, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    Gil…cheer up! I have good news for you! It’s less than four months until pitchers and catchers report. The time is a flyin’!!! 😆

    Raisins…you and I are squarely in the same camp…bring on Peavy and Greene. In the words of that famous philosopher of contemporary life, “Git ‘er done!’


  100. 104 Voice of Raisins October 20, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    Salty, the way I see it, even if Greene doesn’t hit like he did 2 years ago, the Braves won big with Rafael Belliard at SS. Pitching and defense up the middle was/is the key to success. How’d they go so astray?


  101. 105 Voice of Raisins October 20, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    I heard Leo say on radio last week that during organizational meetings following the 1992 season, a season in which Glavine won 20 games, Smoltz and Liebrandt 15 each, and Avery 11, JS told the group that he had one big bullet to shoot. Should it be Barry Bonds or Greg Maddux? Leo said Bobby looked at JS and said, “There is no such thing as too much pitching.” And thus Greg Maddux was signed. The next season, the Braves went 104-58. Glav, Maddog, Ave and Smoltz won 22, 20, 18 and 15 games respectively. Yet, their everyday lineup hit .245 (Berryhill), .260 (Bream), .252 (Lemke), .272 (TP), .305 (Blauser), .274 (Gant), .269 (Nixon) and .270 (Justice). McGriff was a mid-season pickup and hit .310 the rest of the way. They only scored 4.73 runs per game, but gave up a paltry 3.45.

    Pitching, pitching, pitching, pitching…!


  102. 106 Savannah Guy October 20, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    For the life of me, I can’t figure out why Colin Powell came out for Barak Obama. There has to be a reason for his apparent shift in politics.

    He says he’s a Republican. Maybe he’s not. Maybe he just said that all these years to get himself a job with past Republican administrations. Maybe he’s a Democrat that buried his liberal convictions for personal gain. Like a military/political one man sleeper cell. Either way… he ain’t who he says he is.

    So, party affiliation aside, if he supports Obama then he agrees with at least most of what Obama stands for, or he has an ulterior motive for supporting Obama… which makes me think of a dozen reasons off the top why Powell would do such an odd, uncharacteristic thing.

    So, without much from Powell to go on, I’ll have to deduce that Colin Powell is ruled by one of the following motivations or physical conditions:

    1. he’s an opportunist who is looking for his next cabinet position.

    2. he’s a closet socialist who only “came out” when the polls pick a winner.

    3. he’s a liar or he’s been bribed, which would make him both liar and a cheat.

    4. he’s not very bright and/or he’s succumbed to peer pressure.

    5. he’s overly sensitive about what he calls McCain’s “dirty political attacks” or he’s delusional enough to think we’re that gullible.

    6. he’s gone senile and is not responsible for his words or actions.

    7. he’s a man with a vendetta against President Bush (and by association, McCain) for “setting him up to lie to the UN about those mobile WMD trucks” that he thinks sullied his own international reputation as a global statesman.

    8. he’s about to sell a new book and needs the attention and exposure.

    9. he’s been abducted by alien forces and made to drink the green Kool-Aid.

    10. he’s given an IOU to the lowest, darkest bidder for promises of earthly pleasures, wealth, power, glory and a new, fully staffed condo in Washington.

    11. he’s not responsible… the devil made him do it.

    12. he’s a man without deep convictions or sustainable ideals and will blow whichever way the wind blows to endorse a man like Obama to lead the country… regardless of Obama’s mysterious background, radical socialist beliefs, morals, ethics, terrorist friends, hate-filled and racist preachers, corrupt developers, corrupt community organizations like Acorn and on and on. Powell will vote for a man that fought to block legislation making it unlawful to withhold lifesaving care to botched abortion babies.

    It’s understandable and possibly admirable for a person to go against party or political affiliation, but Powell would vote for a man that, along with Reid, Pelosi, Murtha, Durbin, Kennedy and others, put our troops in harm’s way by aiding and abetting the enemy with anti US military, anti-American, anti-war-during-war rhetoric. Powell would vote for a man that has dangerous ideas and no experience in foreign or domestic policies, except for his on Chicago rabble-rousing and school radicalization endoctrination and “community organizing” for social justice (giving an advantage to one race over another).

    Number 10 seemed to go a bit long, eh. Hey, maybe it’s just something simple and I’m overcomplicating the whole thing. Maybe Powell is just a black man that puts race over everything else and is just choosing a fellow black over a white, regardless of anything else. It’s a race thing.

    But aren’t we past that racial bias? Say it ain’t so Colin. Give us a better reason than a “negative campaign” and “new leadership” and give us something more original than repeating the “change” mantra for your decision. C’mon Colin… give us change we can believe in… and begin with a logical, practical, concrete reason you support Barak Hussein Obama.

    One through ten… so many options. Not sure which way to go.


  103. 107 Savannah Guy October 20, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    meant to say: one through twelve in that last line… but when I wrote it there were only 10.

    Got re-inspired I ‘spoze. 😆


  104. 108 Savannah Guy October 20, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    Now, baseball Hot Stove:

    Hope the Braves get some good players so we win next year.

    The end.



  105. 109 Voice of Raisins October 20, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    For comparison, the 2008 Braves sored 4.65 runs per game, but gave up 4.8. The Phils scored 4.93, but gave up 4.2


  106. 110 Salty October 20, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    Powell’s always been rather moderate…not a surprising development. There are some interesting, well-respected (at least in some quarters) folks behind Obama…some who, I believe can and will temper some of his liberal desires. Of course…it’s Congress that writes the checks…Prez only signs ’em.

    Then again, contrary to media reports, we ain’t voted yet…or at least started counting! I still don’t like the Electoral College as it exists, either, but that may be a state issue…I have homework to do.


  107. 111 Salty October 20, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    The Braves get Peavy, and the rest of MLB will be Greene with envy!!! :mrgreen:


  108. 112 Voice of Raisins October 20, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    Greg Maddux said he will survey the marketplace and consider pitching in 2009, but one Dodger teammate feels Maddux will hang it up. According to the player, Maddux has a chance to return to the Padres as a player/coach. Maddux has also expressed an interest in becoming a major league bench coach (not pitching coach). –Nick Cafardo, Boston Globe

    Frank Wren should already be on the phone…


  109. 113 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 20, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    Salty, :mrgreen: Gotta use a green emoticon…
    V, I agree…to a point, you need pitching. I just don’t quite get wanting to give up much of the farm for Peavy, instead of signing someone…well, as I say that, perhaps even with a bigger budget, they don’t think they can get Lowe, CC, or anyone else??? It certainly is a possiblity.

    I think you all know my concerns. Peavy has had elbow issues. If it blows out, our season is done.
    Greene’s On base percentage has been under .300 for 2 straight seasons, how do you do that???
    IF Frenchy doesn’t bounce back(And remember every pitcher is now told, don’t throw him strikes) and McCann’s back up is playing, that could mean 3 automatic outs some days. Add Dunn to left field, and we may have 4 guys hitting .250 or less. Of course, Dunn walks like crazy, I think I can suffer thru 2-3 strikouts if he walks once a game and hits a homer every 4 days.


  110. 114 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 20, 2008 at 6:19 pm

    Maddux, had a 4.22 ERA last year(went up a bit in LA) made 33 starts and pitched 194 innings. Who needs to be in shape to pitch? 🙂


  111. 115 Carolina Lady October 20, 2008 at 6:22 pm

    Everyone I’ve seen today has expressed the thought that Powell has lost their respect. Sold himself for a spot in the administration. Another political prostitute. It is terrifying to think of Pelosi, Reid, Kennedy, Clinton, et al passing the bills of their liberal, socialist dreams unimpeded.


  112. 116 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 20, 2008 at 6:26 pm

    Not saying we shouldn’t go after him, just have my worries. And our offense was quite inconsistent last year. If the Mets or Phillies get Manny, we aren’t going to win the division anyway, it will just be the Wildcard we will have a chance at. He’ll still hit for one more year at least. I will laugh at them paying for a 40 year old Manny in the field in a few years though…
    V, I also think teams are much better than they were back in the early 90’s.
    If the Mets get a real closer, and a real full time left fielder, and the Phillies get another starter, I don’t think we can get by with a lesser offense next year.
    The best thing about trading Peavy early, is that it will convince free agents that we will be a better team than the team on the field the last 3 years….


  113. 117 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 20, 2008 at 6:39 pm

    CL, a victory for “us” might be if there are only 59 Democratic senators come next year! 😯


  114. 118 Voice of Raisins October 20, 2008 at 6:41 pm

    I repeat:

    …in 1993, the Braves went 104-58. Glav, Maddog, Ave and Smoltz won 22, 20, 18 and 15 games respectively. Yet, their everyday lineup hit .245 (Berryhill), .260 (Bream), .252 (Lemke), .272 (TP), .305 (Blauser), .274 (Gant), .269 (Nixon) and .270 (Justice). McGriff was a mid-season pickup and hit .310 the rest of the way. They only scored 4.73 runs per game, but gave up a paltry 3.45.

    Pitching, pitching, pitching, pitching…!

    As to Peavy’s elbow, he had it MRI’d both times he had pain. MRI showed nothing. No structural issue, no issue. Each time, he rested, came back, and dominated. There was no loss in velocity or effectiveness as there is whenever a structural problem is present. And what pitcher hasn’t had soreness and pain these days?

    You give me 5 starters with a better than 50% chance of winning night in and night out, and I’ll give you a playoff team.


  115. 119 Voice of Raisins October 20, 2008 at 6:49 pm

    As long as we’re playing the IF game, what IF Frenchbread comes just half way back to 2006-2007 form, what IF KJ hits for the season the way he did for the last month, and what IF Kotchman actually produces from April-June, unlike Tex? It could make for a formidable lineup regardless of who bats 7-8.


    What IF Schafer makes the team and is actually “all that”? What IF they sign Adam Dunn to play LF and bat 4th, giving Chipper protection again? What IF Soriano and Moylan come back and perform the way they did in 2007?

    None of these scenarios are out of the question.


  116. 120 Gil in Mechanicsville October 20, 2008 at 7:02 pm

    SG … A close friend of mine who was originally from Western Pennsylvania ( guess he must be a racist huh???) opined to me today #12 on your list… I am going with my “blood’s thicker than water theory”. Hey, it’s the ultimate affirmative action program…

    By the way, did ya’ll hear what Biden said this weekend?


  117. 121 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 20, 2008 at 7:04 pm

    V, do you think we will have the equivalent of Glavine, Maddux, Avery and Smoltz and their 3.14 ERA of that year???
    I know, I know, we have to have better pitching, no arguing about that. But, if our Team ERA goes from 4.47(2008) to 4, we better drive in more runs as well, or we will have a nice .500 or slightly better team that comes in 3rd.
    And we know Peavy has a pretty violent delivery. Lots of MRI’s don’t show all the damage.
    Dr. Berigan, who knows less than nothing about MRI’s(Not true, must be Nothing, actually have had a few) but I bet the biggest problem is slight tears don’t show up since you have to be still for the test, not “stretched” out.
    Rafael Soriano’s problems sure didn’t show up.
    So, in closing, like I have said from the beginning, pitching, pitching, pitching! 😀


  118. 122 Gil in Mechanicsville October 20, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    Joe Biden said, “Watch, we’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy,” his running mate Obama.


  119. 123 Gil in Mechanicsville October 20, 2008 at 7:12 pm

    Right on Berigan… You just cannot have too much pitching… ever….


  120. 124 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 20, 2008 at 7:16 pm

    As long as we’re playing the IF game, what IF Frenchbread comes just half way back to 2006-2007 form, what IF KJ hits for the season the way he did for the last month, and what IF Kotchman actually produces from April-June, unlike Tex? It could make for a formidable lineup regardless of who bats 7-8.


    What IF Schafer makes the team and is actually “all that”? What IF they sign Adam Dunn to play LF and bat 4th, giving Chipper protection again? What IF Soriano and Moylan come back and perform the way they did in 2007?

    None of these scenarios are out of the question.

    I agree, none of those scenarios are out of the questions.
    But, KJ is likely to be gone, IMHO. Especially if we get Peavy…too many grounders if we got him…imagine Lowe as well!
    Plus, we may give him up in a trade for Peavy. I wonder if we should consider giving Yunel and Kelly??? 😯 lot to give up off the roster, would help them a lot. I think it’s safe to say Prado’s a better 2nd baseman than Kelly, but has less power. Infante isn’t as good as Yunel, but is he really that much of a dropoff??? Again, moot point most likely since K. Greene would likely come over. He can field, if nothing else.
    I mentioned this before about Dunn. Can a guy hit .230 and protect Chipper???


  121. 125 Carolina Lady October 20, 2008 at 7:19 pm

    No, what did he say, Gil??


  122. 126 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 20, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    Gil, clearly Joe is a Karl Rove plant! 😉 Amazing that clueless Joe is thought of so highly. A very good friend of mine, she said if Hillary didn’t get the nod, she was not going to vote for Obama, it would be McCain. Then, after Biden was chosen, she said he was just what Obama needed, and was now voting for Obama!

    Speaking of Obama and baseball….heard him on Fox (well, at a rally that Fox was showing) saying something along the lines that if White Sox fans were now rooting for the Rays, anything could happen. Then talked about the White Sox again. I know that he’s from Illinois, but I still wonder if he was confusing the Red Sox and the White Sox….


  123. 127 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 20, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    CL, the plagiarizer’s views on the first 6 months…


  124. 128 Carolina Lady October 20, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    Jiminy. It’s amazing the 180 Biden did between the time he was running against Obama and now that he’s running ‘with’ him. Political prostitutes.

    Time to get Mother to bed.


  125. 129 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 20, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    Anyone hear of this happening? Just now read this, and it was reported early this Imagine if this had happened to an Obama bus???

    EXCLUSIVE: .22 Gunshot, paint balls fired at McCain / Palin Straight Talk Express
    October 19th, 2008
    (Sunday, October 19 – Filed by Mark Williams in Raton, New Mexico with the Stop Obama Tour) We learned at this morning’s Stop Obama Rally here that the McCain/Palin Straight Talk Express came through town yesterday. It arrived with a window shattered by a .22 caliber weapon. It had also been hit by an unknown number of paint balls from a paint ball gun or guns. There were reportedly no injuries and neither candidate was on board.

    One local man who saw the damage and spoke with the McCain/Palin staffers said the attack(s) had occured in southern New Mexico that same day. The Express is traveling the country independent of the candidates, handing out campaign materials.



  126. 130 Voice of Raisins October 20, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    Rafael Soriano’s problems sure didn’t show up.

    Did they MRI his head?

    do you think we will have the equivalent of Glavine, Maddux, Avery and Smoltz and their 3.14 ERA of that year???

    Nobody ever will, but that is exactly my point. You have to get as close as possible. Peavy is a pretty good starting point. And with his relatively low salary of $11M (did I just call that low?) you still have cash to buy another arm.

    Can a guy hit .230 and protect Chipper???

    When he has the potential to smack the ball out onto I-75 on any swing, yes. He has hit 40 or more dingers in each of the last 5 years. I’ll take that with a .230 average any day.


  127. 131 Gil in Mechanicsville October 20, 2008 at 10:37 pm

    Greetings again… Raisins… they did find something wrong with Rafael’s elbow after they did the exploratory…

    MRI’s are not infallible, remember Mark Wholers?

    Now politics…. We will have a new president on January 21st…


  128. 132 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 20, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    if Peavy is healthy for a couple of years, before his elbow blows out, that’s fine. He’ll still be young(29) and that elbow will be better than new! 😉


  129. 133 flbravesgirl October 20, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    That’s kind of how I feel too, Ber. You run the risk of injury with every pitcher.


  130. 134 Gil in Mechanicsville October 20, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    Hey folks… I’m not counting out Hampton.. I know that’s not popular witha lot of folks but I think he’s rested and ready…

    FBG… I have a nephew in the Sunshine State too.. One of my uncles maintained a place on the island for many years too. Florida is just too hot for me though… I will be visiting in February though.


  131. 135 Gil in Mechanicsville October 20, 2008 at 11:40 pm

    I have not had the time yet to comb the internet seeking nuggets about other hot prospects in the minors but the Braves are far from the top in that list. Tampa is loaded with talent but you should be after getting so many top of the first round picks.


  132. 136 flbravesgirl October 20, 2008 at 11:45 pm

    It’s too hot for me too, Gil. I can’t wait to live in the mountains & have seasons. We’re headed up on Fri. & my aunt tells us there was ice on the cars this morning. That’ll be a shock, it’s in the 80s here.


  133. 137 Gil in Mechanicsville October 21, 2008 at 12:22 am

    I looked into some property in Georgia but the wife said no….. She was right I guess in that it was just too far to drive for. I suppose it is the fact that I am beginning to hate pine trees… At least with oaks, they drop their leaves once a year and you are done. Pine trees are a constant nuisance. I have pine needles up the ***** now. I am getting tired of having to get them off my cars, out of the gutters, off the lawn… In the pool, They are everywhere….


  134. 138 flbravesgirl October 21, 2008 at 12:30 am

    We used to have a huge pine tree so I can empathize with you. Hated that thing. In Tiger, we have some pines but they’re in the wooded part of the property so we don’t have to clean up. There will be plenty of leaves though. Dad & I cleaned them all off the lawn & driveway last fall. 😯 This year Mom & Melissa will get to help. We should have some nice compost by the time we’re ready to seriously tackle the garden.


  135. 139 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 21, 2008 at 4:01 am

    I hate pine trees as well! Kill grass as well…


  136. 141 Gil in Mechanicsville October 21, 2008 at 7:02 am

    Good morning everyone. Brrrr, Ice on the pumpkins this morning….

    Josie and I are going to “Get out of Dodge” for a couple of days. Tis the trip I wanted to take last week. Going to ride down to Va beach for a couple of days to listen to the surf.

    I will take the laptop with me to keep up with the BS….

    And Berigan, why are you still up?

    From reading the reports, sounds like this Tommy Hanson fellow is a real gem. I see why the Padres are high on him. Looks like they are going to be able to extract their pound of flesh for Peavy from somebody.


  137. 142 Voice of Raisins October 21, 2008 at 7:49 am

    Morning, all. Be careful out there, Gil…


  138. 143 Voice of Raisins October 21, 2008 at 8:11 am

    How nice for John Murtha… He “clarified” his comments of last week where he called western PA racist. He says he didn’t mean racist, he meant redneck. I’m so glad he cleared that up…

    Y’all get ready. If anyone disagrees with our president-elect, the Chosen One, you/we will be labeled as racist. Opinions are no longer allowed. Toe the party line, or be racist. I’m so glad we have progressed so far in society in 2008. 😐


  139. 144 Savannah Guy October 21, 2008 at 8:19 am

    The innocent pine is getting slammed on Braves ‘n Stuff. 😆

    Hey, Gil, have a great trip to the beach.

    Now, trees. I prefer oaks to pines myself, but oaks drop leaves just as much if not more than pines drop needles and they drop them twice a year… at least down here on the coast. It’s a tradeoff… have a barren lot or rake. I’ll rake any day for the majestic old fellas. The Spring drop is even bigger than the Fall drop. So, trees are trees and people are people. God put trees here for us to have shade, the birds to have homes and for some unlucky sap to have to rake.

    What I hate are those large clear cut tracts of yellow pines that the paper mills decimated around the turn of last century. Gone are the native long leaf pines, gone are the live oaks and all the other indigenous cedars, oaks and hardwoods. I’ll take the natives any time. The critters like’em better too, with the acorns and seed-filled cones and all.

    But here’s the point about pine needles: It’s true, they drop needles and cones and it’s true, we’re inclined to rake them up before they cover everything… but don’t be hatin’ on the pine. It’s a societal thing. Yep, that’s right… society is responsible for leaves all over the yard and car and driveway and clogging the rain gutters and all.

    Back when I was a kid we would make oodles (fir time on blog?) of cash by going from yard to yard raking up peoples leaves and pine needles. Then we’d bundle it up and sell it to other folks for mulch… for more cash. You might say we were rakin’ in the cash. 😀

    Today, you can’t beg a kid or bribe them with any amount of money to rake leaves, mow lawns, wash cars, clean gutters or do any other mindless, physical chores. An entire youth cottage industry has dried up and gone away. Why is that? Don’t need the cash? Don’t know a rake from a shovel? Do they just have a great sense of entitlement? Spoiled rotten? All of the above? Has our culture gotten so lazy and dependent that the kids don’t even consider earning some extra moola by asserting themselves? Methinks things have changed.

    It’s a societal thing.


  140. 145 Savannah Guy October 21, 2008 at 8:22 am

    A very nice post… eaten by WordPress and ground up in the Salty Filter.

    No time to try and duplicate it.


  141. 146 Salty October 21, 2008 at 8:28 am

    The ‘Salty Filter’! 🙄
    Well…it’s when they quit talkin’ ’bout you that you know you’re irrelevant!


  142. 147 Savannah Guy October 21, 2008 at 8:33 am


    Salty, you’ve paid yer dues to the filter, and then some, my man.


  143. 148 Savannah Guy October 21, 2008 at 8:37 am

    Salty, I used to write posts on a word doc, then copy and paste. If the filter ate it, I’d just repeat the process. Some time back I quit doing that… resulting in less of a proofreading effort, less time for self-edits and reflection, more misspellings, more grammatical errors and now a vanishing opine.

    An opine on pines it was.


  144. 149 Voice of Raisins October 21, 2008 at 8:47 am

    … a vanishing opine.

    How appropriate in these days of the thought police. 🙄


  145. 150 Savannah Guy October 21, 2008 at 9:06 am

    Maybe it can be rescued… like the majestic longleaf pine.

    I’ll pine for that opine.


  146. 151 Voice of Raisins October 21, 2008 at 9:17 am

    Yes, SG, soon either Gil or CL will extract it from the “Salt Grinder”.


  147. 152 Voice of Raisins October 21, 2008 at 9:25 am

    Yankees star Joba Chamberlain downed vodka-and-sodas and caroused at a Nebraska strip club in the hours before he was busted for drunken driving, the Daily News has learned. The 23-year-old pitcher went drinking at a bar in downtown Lincoln and then capped off his Friday night at a local jiggle joint, where he got into a tiff with another customer over the rival Red Sox, witnesses said. Chamberlain – who had a blood-alcohol level more than 1-1/2 times Nebraska’s legal limit when he was nabbed – was heckled as he and friends watched the dancers at the Night Before Lounge, witnesses said. “Some guy yelled out, ‘If you played for the Red Sox, you wouldn’t be sitting here,'” clubgoer Gary (Bo) Bohaty said. Boston was knocked out of the playoffs Sunday night. “That got a rise out of him,” said Bohaty, owner of the Beacon Lounge, a bar next to the strip club. “[Joba] turned his head and said, ‘What did you say?’ and the guy yelled it out again.” As Chamberlain kept shouting back, one of the pitcher’s friends got into a shoving match with the heckler, said the club’s manager, who asked not to be identified. Once order was restored, Chamberlain and his five friends stared at the gyrating dancers for nearly 90 minutes before leaving just after midnight. Chamberlain paid the $145 tab and left a $100 tip at the club, where the cover charge is $3, the manager said. –New York Daily News

    Further evidence that money does not buy class…


  148. 153 Savannah Guy October 21, 2008 at 9:27 am

    Maybe I’ll pout.


  149. 154 Savannah Guy October 21, 2008 at 9:31 am

    Raisins, I think the ability to remain well-rounded as a person and to remain focused and competitive as an athlete after becoming filthy rich is the single biggest challenge for star players.

    Many don’t make it. They wind up like Andruw, Gooden, Strawberry or A-Rod. All different but similar.


  150. 155 Savannah Guy October 21, 2008 at 10:01 am

    Mr. Fly asked that I send this to you.</b<

    No worry, they are just Metflies… not friendly like sleuth reporters.


  151. 156 Gil in Mechanicsville October 21, 2008 at 10:08 am

    SG… On kids not working… They have been made to think that physical labor is somehow beneath them and therefore to be avoided. They will be the same folks that will be stuck in a small cubical doing menial but “clean” work for most of their adult lives while the kid who grew up being enterprising continues that entrepreneurial spirit as an adult and owns the company for which they work because they understand things like customer satisfaction and profit/loss and labor cost. They have learned that money earned is much more satisfying than money inherited.

    That said…. I still don’t like pine trees…


  152. 157 Voice of Raisins October 21, 2008 at 11:05 am

    While recruiting youths at my church for a retreat after Christmas, I let them know that some of the older folks in the church were more than willing to pay for trips if they could get some work from the kids – things like mowing/rakeing yards, cleaning gutters, changing light bulbs, etc. Things that are a challenge for the older folks, the folks who have more money than capability. Not one, NOT ONE, kid was interested in helping. I have since abandoned that retreat. I am also abandoning that church. The entitlement attiitude is hereditary. Those who have it now have gotten it from those whom have raised them. “Yep, just let me sit in a pew for a couple of hours a week, tithe my 10%, and don’t ask me to do anything else.”

    Jesus didn’t sit still. Paul didn’t sit still. Why should I?

    Oops. 😳 Got a little distracted there for a minute and kinda aired a little personal frustration I am having right now…

    Sorry ’bout that…


  153. 158 Voice of Raisins October 21, 2008 at 11:08 am

    Jesus probably never saw a pine tree in the desert…

    Why are Christmas trees pine trees, anyway? Shouldn’t they be palm trees? makes more sense to me. They’d be easier to decorate, too.


  154. 159 Carolina Lady October 21, 2008 at 11:38 am

    Agree 100%, Raisins. Kids have so much they simply will not work for anything. I blame the parents. Kids whine, parents cave because it’s easier than being a parent and teaching the kid.

    I’m puzzled by the ‘Christmas tree’ thing, too. WHERE in the Bible does it say we have to drag a tree into the house and put all this stuff all over it???

    Which opens another can of worms: ask 100 people what ‘Christmas’ means and at least 95 of ’em will say presents. A few may mention something about family.


  155. 160 Voice of Raisins October 21, 2008 at 11:59 am

    This past weekend, I was planting the remaining 2 trees and about 6 shrubs on my back hill (clay and murder to dig). My 12 year old asked of he could help to earn some $$$ for a video game he wanted. He worked pretty hard; later he picked out 2 used games that was gonna set me back $39. Normally, $39 would make me choke, but I didn’t even blink. He never asked me how much he would earn, he never tried to bargain a wage per se, he just worked until we were done. He has 2 new games.


  156. 161 Savannah Guy October 21, 2008 at 12:31 pm

    My 8:19 pine-post has been unclogged! Whoo Hoo!!! Must’ve been all the pine needles that got’er jammed up.

    Don’t like pines? Was Gil beaten with a pine branch as a child? Me, I like Hickory trees alright, but I don’t like the branches that make switches. For some reason they were used on me a couple’a times. But, like guns… it ain’t the gun that does the shootin’. So I still love Hickory… and pine and oak and magnolia and cedar and palm and Christmas. Christmas has its own tree, right?


  157. 162 Salty October 21, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    All these pithy comments on trees. Opining over pines, needles, and raking…or bloviating over oaks, dropping acorns (wouldn’t we like to…but I digress)…perhaps someone’s roasted a chestnut or two in their day? And is it pecan, pecan, or pecan (selective enunciation)? Fact is, the blog has been treed today. Time for the woodchuck to start chuckin’ trees…fir and otherwise. Thus concludes my SG-ism effort in Stuffville. How’d I do? 😆


  158. 163 Savannah Guy October 21, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    It ain’t peecan, it’s pecaan (like James Cann only different). Proper pronunciation of pecan depends on what branch of the southern family you’re from.

    Must get to the root of the issues… going out on a limb here… there’s no reason to bark and no reason to get mad at pines and leaf.


  159. 164 Gil in Mechanicsville October 21, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    SG…. My mother’s switch of choice came from a peach tree… I still cannot eat peach cobbler without feeling a tingling feeling running up my leg…. Peach ice cream makes me paranoid…

    Yes, hickory trees are okay by me… Not too crazy about gum trees though, those gum balls are nasty …

    I bought one of those DR lawn vacuums last year. They work pretty good. A lot easier than raking.

    I look back at my youth and think of how I earned pocket money. It wasn’t from an allowance. My dad said money added to the household needed to come from an outside source, did little good to pay me out of his pocket. Helping around the house was expected because I was given clothes, food and shelter. Seem like a fair deal to me. There was not a lot of extra money to go around. He was fair though, if he picked up a side job and I helped out, he paid me for my work.

    I treasure the time I spent with him and the lessons learned more today than any gold or silver he could ever could have paid me….


  160. 165 Gil in Mechanicsville October 21, 2008 at 12:57 pm

    peecan? like slop jar, only different….


  161. 166 Voice of Raisins October 21, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    Thus concludes my SG-ism effort in Stuffville. How’d I do?

    Like SG, only different.


  162. 167 Voice of Raisins October 21, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    Pete Van Wieren, the long-time Braves broadcaster, announced his retirement on Tuesday.


    Holy schnikey!!! 😯


  163. 168 Voice of Raisins October 21, 2008 at 1:09 pm

    I am at a loss for words… :9:

    … and so will be Braves Radio…


  164. 169 Voice of Raisins October 21, 2008 at 1:10 pm



  165. 170 Salty October 21, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    Time to turn over a new leaf…but the Perfessor wasn’t what I had in mind. I’m with ya, Raisins…’tis a 😦 day.


  166. 171 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 21, 2008 at 2:35 pm

    “good” afternoon ladies and gentlemen…good grief! 😦 I’m almost mad at the professor, if he did it next offseason, it would somehow be easier to take…

    But, because of Skip’s passing,(And Don Sutton battling Cancer) that there are no guarantees of plenty of health come retirement. Why wait???

    But man, I sure will miss him…can only hope that he will do what Ernie Johnson did, and do games after retiring…..


  167. 172 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 21, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    Did I ever mention I met Pete a few times??? Well, met is too strong a word…he stood in front of me and handed me money for newspapers when I worked at the Borders in Buckhead.
    He disguised his voice, which kind of cracked me up. Gee, that looks like Pete Van Wieren, but he sounds like a guy who’s about to make an obscene phone call! :mrgreen: I’m sure some other folks might have tried to talk about the braves at this point, but I think someone not making eye contact and changing their voice probably has been asked about 50 times that week the same questions…something I had never really thought about til then. On the one hand, folks like him have a great job, on the other, can you imagine, every time you get gas, get a loaf of bread, go to Home Depot, someone will talk to you about your job, and expect an answer?? That sure has to get old.
    Perhaps once he’s retired, and fewer and fewer people recognize him, he won’t mind a question or two….


  168. 173 Gil in Mechanicsville October 21, 2008 at 5:28 pm

    A Hollywood movie actress once said that the only thing worse than being hounded by fans everywhere you go is to not have anyone recognize you any longer…

    It has been a long time since I have been able to listen to the professor on radio. I would guess the Nationals or the Orioles or maybe both will have a local radio outlet here next year.


  169. 174 flbravesgirl October 21, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    😥 😥 😥


  170. 175 Savannah Guy October 22, 2008 at 8:23 am

    Can Pete pitch?

    Gil, sounds like we had a very similar upbringing. The SG siblings didn’t get paid to breathe… we had to do the chores and pull the wagon, not just sit on it. The folks did give us a roof, a bed, food, clothes and lots of love, but when I got to the age of “gotta be cool”, not wanting to be seen in generic Penny’s, Sears or Belk’s clothes and wanted to keep up with the Jones’ kid next door and wear the name brand of stuff like Barracuda jackets, gant shirts or weejun loafers and such, I had to buy those myself.

    Many lawns were raked and mowed and many cars were washed. Then I bought the trendy clothes. That lasted through junior high and high school. Funny… after that, I had the cash but wound up wearing jeans and tee shirts. The wardrobe of a hippy-surfer guy didn’t require much coin.


  171. 176 Gil in Mechanicsville October 22, 2008 at 8:49 am

    SG… We all have to wander through the desert at some point in our lives before we can reach the promise land. Some people never do, and some never try but still, it is the rite of passage.

    We were neither poor nor rich, we just were….. Can’t remember ever missing a meal though, even if we had a lot of corn pone…

    An early lesson in life was the need to buy a car to get to work and then needing to work to pay for the car…. There is a moral in there somewhere.

    My youngest son called me from Florida last night to tell me the tickets to the W/S were going for $500 apiece. Said they sold out in 1-1/2 hours. He had wanted to go and take his son but said he just couldn’t afford it. We talked for about an hour about baseball. Is this a great country or what? Also convinced him to vote for McCain. hey… you have to scratch and claw for every vote you can….

    The “Chosen One” will be in Richmond today. He should be arriving about the same time we are leaving. Seems like a good plan to me.


  172. 177 Voice of Raisins October 22, 2008 at 9:57 am

    I started mowing lawns when I was 12. I bought a bike my first summer. (I loved that bike… a Huffy Thunder Road) When I got my first job, at 16, I became responsible for buying my own clothes as well as personal items like toothpaste, shampoo, etc. I never had to worry about a meal or room or furnishings, but my stuff was my own responsibility. I appreciate the lesson in responsibility.

    My son will be taught the same way. He already has to do some of his own laundry if he lets stuff stack up too high. He has the responsibility of making sure his dirty clothes make it to the laundry room. If he waits until it is an all day job, the job becomes his. He is learning. He usually asks to help out with yard duties because he knows he’ll be compensated in some manner. And I want him to expect something for his labor. He should know it has value. That’s how my Dad did it. (My Dad was a genius… )


  173. 178 Voice of Raisins October 22, 2008 at 10:11 am

    New Pevy stuff:

    The Jake Peavy sweepstakes will proceed concurrently with the World Series, and the expectation of major league executives polled over the past two days is that the Braves are going to end up with the Padre right-hander.

    Several executives who have stayed abreast of the talks believe Peavy, who has a no-trade provision, prefers to go to the Astros, in part because his hunting buddy, Roy Oswalt, is already there. But Houston has a poor farm system and will have great difficulty delivering an acceptable package.

    “Honestly, I have no idea how they put something together acceptable for the Padres,” an AL executive said.

    The Braves, on the other hand, have the base from which to make a deal and a history of packaging youngsters to get veterans they crave such as Mark Teixeira and Tim Hudson. They also are willing to move quickly, as exhibited by the Oct. 29 deal made last year in which they obtained Jair Jurrjens and Gorkys Hernandez from Detroit for Edgar Renteria, the first major trade of the past offseason. And the Braves appear more motivated than the Cardinals, Cubs or Dodgers to jump out for Peavy.

    “Don’t discount the (Braves manager) Bobby Cox factor,” an AL GM said. “He is a veteran manager. He is used to winning. His team hasn’t made the playoffs for a few years now. He is influential in the organization. And he wants players who can win now. So I can see him really pushing to get a Peavy deal done.”

    The executives spoken to say they anticipate a Braves package being built around pitcher Tommy Hanson and outfielder Jordan Schafer, who both peaked at Double-A last year, plus a middle infielder, either shortstop Yunel Escobar or second baseman Kelly Johnson.

    Another AL GM said, “That is really a good deal if San Diego can make it.” Joel Sherman, NY Post

    Hmmm… it’s still a tough call. The potential of both Hanson and Schafer is so intriguing, yet it is only potential still. The landscape of baseball history is littered with “can’t miss” pitchers and outfielders. We need only look at recent Braves history at names like Jason Marquis and Damian Moss to see pitching examples. And anybody remember Keith Mitchell? Brad Komminsk?

    Does this really come down to a question of win NOW or LATER?

    And let’s not forget one other Braves fact: The Braves FOT’s (Front Office Types) are, and have been, masters at hyping their own talent to maximize return.


  174. 179 Voice of Raisins October 22, 2008 at 10:12 am

    Pevy stuff? 😳



  175. 180 Voice of Raisins October 22, 2008 at 12:18 pm

    According to Neal Boortz:

    Barack Obama has received more money from Fannie Mae since 1989 than any other politician in Washington except one … and that would be Christopher Dodd of Connecticut. This Obama has accomplished in only four years.

    I have not researched the validity of this assertion…


  176. 181 Voice of Raisins October 22, 2008 at 1:09 pm

    Back to Peavy:

    The more I give this thought, the more I think I want to hang on to Hanson and Schafer.

    Perhaps a better trade target might be SF’s Matt Cain..?

    I’d like to see Schafer in CF in 2009, and maybe even Hanson as #5 starter. All the chatter now seems to surround Schafer as the real centerpiece of the deal. This kid could be an offensive catalyst ala Shane Victorino.

    I’d still like to make a pitch (pun INTENDED) for Lowe and maybe shoot for Cain, then mix them wiith JJ, Hampton (yes, Hampton) and Hanson/Morton. Acquire a veteran righty bopper for LF and roll the dice with Schafer in CF. It’s doable…


  177. 182 Salty October 22, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    The more I give this thought, the more I think I want to hang on to Hanson and Schafer.

    Perhaps a better trade target might be SF’s Matt Cain..?

    Hmmm….hmmm….:? Hmmm…..hmmm…..hmmm…..


  178. 184 Salty October 22, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    That’s a tough one, Raisins….but, can’t wholly disagree. Might be good to define the Giants’ needs in return for Sir Cain. Who knows, it might prompt San Diego to consider an altered proposal. If some salary relief were sought by SD, I would deal Escobar and Schafer (plus another or two…whatever) in a heartbeat to bring Greene along with Peavy. At some point, the Braves need to hold onto a can’t miss, just to see if they…uh, can’t! Keep Hanson.


  179. 185 Voice of Raisins October 22, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    There are rumblings (not of the Jayson Stark type) that SF and Minnie have been talking about a swap of Cain for Delmon Young. Granted, Young is righty power hitting outfielder which the Braves need and don’t have to trade, but perhaps there might still be a match somewhere. That should at least give a framework of what the G-men are seeking in return, although I doubt Young alone would get it done.


  180. 186 Voice of Raisins October 22, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    That’s about 7 lines of non-sensical crap that doesn’t answer the question you asked… 😐


  181. 187 Voice of Raisins October 22, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    Where is Schafer playing winter/fall ball?


  182. 188 Voice of Raisins October 22, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    The guy across the street speculates that you could get a deal done for Peavy with perhaps Charlie Morton, a non-Hanson pitching prospect, Schafer/Gorkys Hernandez, KJ/Yunel. In my mind, you’d have to take Greene back to make it equitable. I might do that deal, I just hate parting with Schafer or Hernandez. Maybe if you part with Schafer, you could sign Kotsay again to another 2-year deal. (And bring Jamie back to ATL… 😀 )

    In another ajc article, Chipper dreams of Peavy and AJ Burnett. Yeah… me too…


  183. 189 Voice of Raisins October 22, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    This tidbit from Buster Olney:

    Many rival executives expect that the Padres will deal Jake Peavy to Atlanta for something very close to this package of players: center field prospect Jordan Schaefer [sic], pitching prospect Tommy Hanson and second baseman Kelly Johnson. Yunel Escobar has been mentioned as a possible piece in this trade, but Braves manager Bobby Cox raves about Escobar. Said one talent evaluator: If you’re Atlanta and you give up Hanson, you’re telling the Padres, ‘You can’t have Hanson and Escobar both.’ “

    And some executives involved in the talks say it makes a lot of sense for the Padres to strike a deal before the free agent market begins. “If they wait that long, it’ll give too much opportunity for other teams to play the Padres’ demands against the free agent market,” said one official.



  184. 190 Voice of Raisins October 22, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    If you could do the deal with Hanson, Schafer and KJ with no add’l prospects, I think you do it. You have Prado to step in at 2B and weren’t necessarily counting on Schafer for 2009 anyway. Hernandez could be ready by 2010. Peavy becomes your ace for at least 4 years, and his relatively low (compared to FA prices) $11M allows you to still buy another good starter as well as LF in FA. The question remains as to what happens in CF; is Anderson an everyday ML player? No way you can bring in both a quality LF and CF. LF has to be the priority and CF has to happen from within, be it Anderson or Blanco (cringe) or whomever. Maybe Lil’bridge gets talked about again as CF possibility…

    There is one other unlikely, yet possible, scenario. Perhaps BJones, whom we now have discovered played most of this year hurt, can emerge in LF. This leaves you to shop for CF… maybe Kotsay (again) or even Rocco Baldelli.


  185. 191 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 22, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    V, you make a good point, that if we got Peavy, we’d have more money to spend to address getting another starter and Left fielder…and we would for sure have that top of the rotation starter. I fear there are many players in the market this year for the few starters out there. Shoot, if the Giants were crazy enough to offer Manny 5 years, it might convince other FA’s to sign with the Giants, and they must have money to burn right now.
    If we only added Peavy, we are still better off than we are now, pitching wise.
    I think Anderson is an everyday player, but he never gets more than September to prove himself. I like the way Blanco plays, he can actually lay down a bunt as well. Amazing with all the bunting, he still only hit .251(but, a .366 OBP)
    But, Anderson has real speed. I just checked, 10 steals in 11 attempts, good for 3rd on the team, in 40 games. Blanco stole 13 in a 140 games. Too bad they both hit from the right side of the plate, might make a good platoon.
    I wonder if Kotsay opened some folks’ eyes being able to play first like he was a born first baseman??? Not that he will be one now, but if Boston liked him over the Mayor in the playoffs, I wonder if other teams will give him a chance to be a full time CF???
    Hmmm, if we signed him again(to another 2 year deal? 😉 ) if he and Anderson platooned, that might be a perfect situation! Give Kotsay the rest his back needs, he could pinch hit late in games as well….Quick, somebody give me Wren’s phone # 🙂


  186. 192 Voice of Raisins October 22, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    There is much work to be done from the Wren’s nest. Let’s hope he is the early bird and catches alot of talented worms. 😉


  187. 193 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 22, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    Funny, reading about how hard you guys worked as kids kinda gave me a complex! I started to think, gee, I never mowed any neighbor’s lawns…then I remembered why I probably didn’t go out and knock on neighbor’s doors…electric lawn mower! 😕 No, not a rechargeable model, one with a cord…a long cord…a cord you had to really keep an eye on so as to not mow along with the weeds.
    No, my Dad wasn’t some crazy environmentalist, he just swore with twin blades, it did a better job….when we got a gas mower later on, I found out that was not the case.
    I was a teenager in Jacksonville, and it rained every day during the summer. I guess that’s part of the reason I didn’t offer to wash peoples cars.
    I did have chores as a kid though….I remember making my bed in California, when we lived there for 6 months. I was 4 at the time. I also took the trash out to the big bin down the street. Not then, when I was bit older. Hated that, for some unknown reason. I remember dusting every weekend, watering house plants, doing dishes(hated that as well-no dishwasher then)….man, my parents got a lot of work out of me for that 1 dollar a week allowance! 😡



  188. 194 Voice of Raisins October 22, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    Yup… doing dishes, making my bed, cleaning my room on Saturdays, cutting our grass… all of those were chores I was EXPECTED to do. There was no discussion, no negotiation. It was my job. But, there was no 24/7 cartoons, no video games, or any of the other garbage that consumes our kids’ time. As for my son, between church, football, taekwondo and school, he has very little down time.


  189. 195 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 22, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    V, I forgot…I had to clean my room as well! 😦 I’m still lazy though! 😀 NOt BAS lazy, but still lazy. But, I learned a bit about responsibility …. and cause and effect. Chores not done, no moola.
    I did have lots of down time though. Never got homework in Grade school. Maybe once a month, tops.
    But, I didn’t have to learn about such things as why Billy has 2 Mommies, the rich history of Kwanzaa, or how we are bad people, killing Mother earth with our internal combustion engines. Just readin’ writin; and ‘rithmetic…


  190. 196 Gil in Mechanicsville October 22, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    Greetings from windy Virginia Beach… Love it, no riff-raff roaming the streets…. 🙂

    The hotel does not have Fox News… Now I know why he trails in the polls. They are the only ones actually reporting the news. All the others are just cheer leaders…

    Raisins… Where have you been, living in a bubble? The story about Obama being in Fannie Mae’s pocket is old news. That is absolute fact. Amazing how far a kid can go in just a few short years.

    Now baseball…. I have already weighed in on the Peavy trade as far as who will go. Nothing other than just an educated guess but I doubt the Braves will trade their starting middle infield. If I were the Padres GM, I would rather have Kelly over Yunel because of his bat. He just fits Petco.
    I think Jordan tarnished his star a bit this year with his chemically enhanced performance.

    Anderson would do just fine as the centefielder and leadoff guy for the Braves. The Braves do need a couple of RBI guys though. The teams OPS was good last year. Just too many folks left on base… Speaking of the Frenchman, does anyone think this will be his make or break year?


  191. 197 Salty October 22, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    Raisins! You did not suggest Rocco Baldelli! 😯 🙄
    Hanson or Schafer…not both! And I’m cool with Escobar going to SD…I’m cool with him stayin’, too!


  192. 198 Salty October 22, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    I’m 😎 period!


  193. 199 Carolina Lady October 22, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    Howdy, gang!

    So, where has CL been lately? I had been having some weird symptoms, so the doc orders a bunch of cardiac tests. They found evidence of a mild heart attack some time back, but everything is great there. No problem.

    So, next was an Ultrasound to check the gall bladder which can sometimes give those same symptoms. Tests results said the gall bladder was perfect.

    However, there was a “mass” on the lower right front lobe of my liver. 😯

    Did some major praying.

    Reminded God that He said in Isaiah 54 that “No weapon formed against me would prosper (succeed).”

    And that He said He’d meet ALL my needs according to HIS riches in Glory through Christ Jesus.

    AND that Jesus had already provided healing for me because He said Himself that “By HIS stripes YOU are healed.”

    Further, in Jeremiah 29:11, He said “I know the plans I have for you….Plans to give you hope and a future.”

    And I didn’t budge off of it.

    Got the CT results this afternoon: no mass was found. There is only one 2.5 cm cyst that can be completely ignored. Case closed. God is so good!

    😀 And I’m thrilled be to able to testify to His goodness!


  194. 200 Gil in Mechanicsville October 22, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    AMEN LADY!!!


  195. 201 Carolina Lady October 22, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    When Kelly was young, she had certain responsiblities to do and, in return, she received a small allowance. If she did her chores, she got the allowance; if she didn’t, no allowance.

    Then came the lesson of learning to manage money. There was some toy doll she just couldn’t live without. I told her, OK. I’ll give you an advance on your allowance so you can get the doll, but you won’t receive an allowance until 4 weeks have passed. Oh, yes, yes, yes; I want the doll!

    When we came home, I marked off 4 weeks on the calendar and reminded her again that she had already received the allowance for those weeks and it would be week #5 before she got it again.

    That was the longest 4 weeks in her entire young life! And to this day she won’t borrow a penny! Lesson well learned!


  196. 202 Gil in Mechanicsville October 22, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    Oh by the way… Sure fire way to check your gall bladder, learned as a Paramedic… One big Mac, One chocolate shake and a large fry… No pain, no problem…. Well, maybe the 15 pounds add to your butt…


  197. 203 Carolina Lady October 22, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    Hope y’all enjoy the mini-vacation, Gil! The beach is always best after the tourists have gone away. 🙂


  198. 204 Carolina Lady October 22, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    No, I don’t do the Big Mac thing. 😆 It’s hard enough to avoid the ‘big butt’ as it is! 😆 I think that is caused by birthday cake. That stuff oughtta be outlawed. Does terrible stuff to a person!


  199. 205 Voice of Raisins October 22, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    Fantastic CL. I am thankful to Him for your great report, and I am thankful to you for sharing His awesomeness with us. God is surely good… ALL THE TIME!


  200. 206 Savannah Guy October 22, 2008 at 11:49 pm

    CL, you made my week with that. Everything is good from here out.


  201. 207 Savannah Guy October 22, 2008 at 11:52 pm

    Good game, TB v PP.

    Lidge will now cough up at least one run.


  202. 208 Savannah Guy October 22, 2008 at 11:55 pm

    Gil, my gall bladder must be fine. Had a Steak’n Shake double steak and cheese, Large Chocolate shake and a small fry on the way to Atlanta yesterday. No problem, no pain, no nuthin’ except mmm, mmm, good.


  203. 209 flbravesgirl October 23, 2008 at 12:20 am

    Glad to hear the good report, CL! But please rethink the outlawing of birthday cake; you’ll put me out of business.

    Gil, that gall bladder check doesn’t work if it’s already “dead” like my mom’s was. Took them almost a week to figure out what was wrong ’cause her symptoms were atypical.


  204. 210 Voice of Raisins October 23, 2008 at 12:21 am

    I had a shrimp and chicken burrito with grated cheddar, mexican spices, white rice and Texas Pete. My gall bladder is working overtime… 😀


  205. 211 Voice of Raisins October 23, 2008 at 12:24 am

    Repetir tiempo. Buenas noches.


  206. 212 Voice of Raisins October 23, 2008 at 12:25 am



  207. 213 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 23, 2008 at 6:51 am

    CL, that is great news! Thank God!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂


  208. 214 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 23, 2008 at 6:58 am

    Some funny life lessons I got in an email…

    Lesson 1:

    A man is getting into the shower just as his wife is finishing up her shower, when the doorbell rings.

    The wife quickly wraps herself in a towel and runs downstairs.

    When she opens the door, there stands Bob, the next-door neighbor.

    Before she says a word, Bob says, ‘I’ll give you $800 to drop that towel.’

    After thinking for a moment, the woman drops her towel and stands naked in front of Bob, after a few seconds, Bob hands her $800 and leaves.

    The woman wraps back up in the towel and goes back upstairs.

    When she gets to20the bathroom, her husband asks, ‘Who was that?’

    ‘It was Bob the next door neighbour,’ she replies.

    ‘Great,’ the husband says, ‘did he say anything about the $800 he owes me?’

    Moral of the story:

    If you share critical information pertaining to credit and risk with your shareholders in time, you may be in a position to prevent avoidable exposure.

    Lesson 3:

    A sales rep, an administration clerk, and the manager are walking to lunch when they find an antique oil lamp.

    They rub it and a Genie comes out.
    The Genie says, ‘I’ll give each of you just one wish.’
    ‘Me first! Me first!’ says the admin clerk. ‘I want to be in the Bahamas , driving a speedboat, without a care in the world.’
    Puff! She’s gone.

    ‘Me next! Me next!’ says the sales rep. ‘I want to be in Hawaii , relaxing on the beach with my personal masseuse, an endless supply of Pina Coladas and the love of my life.’

    Puff! He’s gone.

    ‘OK, you’re up,’ the Genie says to the manager. The manager says, ‘I want those two back in the office after lunch.’

    Moral of the story:
    Always let your boss have the first say.

    Lesson 4

    An eagle was sitting on a tree resting, doing nothing.

    A small rabbit saw the eagle and asked him, ‘Can I also sit like you and do nothing?’
    The eagle answered: ‘Sure, why not.’

    So, the rabbit sat on the ground below the eagle and rested. All of a sudden, a fox appeared, jumped on the rabbit and ate it.

    Moral of the story:
    To be sitting and doing nothing, you must be sitting very, very high up.

    Lesson 5

    A turkey was chatting with a bull.

    ‘I would love to be able to get to the top of that tree’ sighed the turkey, ‘but I haven’t got the energy.’
    ‘Well, why don’t you nibble on some of my droppings?’ replied the bull.. They’re packed with nutrients.’

    The turkey pecked at a lump of dung, and found it actually gave him enough strength to reach the lowest branch of the tree.

    The next day, after eating some more dung, he reached the second branch.

    Finally after a fourth night, the turkey was proudly perched at the top of the tree.

    He was promptly spotted by a farmer, who shot him out of the tree.

    Moral of the story:
    Bull S*** might get you to the top, but it won’t keep you there..

    Lesson 6

    A little bird was flying south for the winter. It was so cold the bird froze and fell to the ground into a large field.

    While he was lying there, a cow came by and dropped some dung on him.

    As the frozen bird lay there in the pile of cow dung, he began to realize how warm he was.

    The dung was actual ly thawing him out!

    He lay there all warm and happy, and soon began to sing for joy.
    A passing cat heard the bird singing and came to investigate.

    Following the sound, the cat discovered the bird under the pile of cow dung, and promptly dug him out and ate him.

    Morals of the story:
    (1) Not everyone who s***’* on you is your enemy.

    (2) Not everyone who get s you out of s*** is your

    (3) And when you’re in deep s***, it’s best to keep
    your mouth shut!


  209. 215 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 23, 2008 at 7:23 am

    Man, I caught a cold last week…Don’t think I will have this for 3 months like the last “cold” But, on top of that, I ended up with some eye infection yesterday…eye keeps tearing up, and blurring. Kinda hard to read the computer with one eye I found…it’s a bit better today. And if that wasn’t enough, I coughed while bent over last night, and now I have back spasms!
    Ever feel like someone has a voodoo doll of you???
    All right Obama, I give, I give, I’ll vote for you! 😕


  210. 216 Gil in Mechanicsville October 23, 2008 at 8:15 am

    Berigan…. Are you sure you are not a player for the Atlanta Braves????

    Any snakes around? You sure seem bit….


  211. 217 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 23, 2008 at 8:28 am

    Gil, Ha! 🙂 Perhaps I have too much braves baseball on the brain, and it’s affecting me elsewhere!


  212. 218 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 23, 2008 at 8:33 am

    Did y’all hear about this??? Another low water mark for crappy, biased journalism…More info and video via the link below.

    During an interview with Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin on Tuesday’s Situation Room, CNN’s Drew Griffin ripped a phrase out of a recent article by National Review’s Byron York which criticized the media’s coverage of Palin and characterized it as an attack on the Alaska governor. Griffin pointed out how “[t]he press has been pretty hard on you. The Democrats have been pretty hard on you, but also some conservatives have been pretty hard on you as well. The National Review had a story saying that, you know, ‘I can’t tell if Sarah Palin is incompetent, stupid, unqualified, corrupt, or all of the above.’” In the original article, which was originally only in the print version of National Review, York used the “incompetent” phrase to attack the media: “Watching press coverage of the Republican candidate for vice president, it’s sometimes hard to decide whether Sarah Palin is incompetent, stupid, unqualified, corrupt, backward or – well, all of the above.”


  213. 219 Savannah Guy October 23, 2008 at 8:42 am

    Now, sports – funny stuff coming in through the email:

    Is it the NBA or NFL?

    36 have been accused of spousal abuse

    7 have been arrested for fraud

    19 have been accused of writing bad checks

    117 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses

    3 have done time for assault
    71 – repeat – 71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit
    14 have been arrested on drug-related charges

    8 have been arrested for shoplifting

    21 currently are defendants in lawsuits

    84 have been arrested for drunk driving in the last year

    Can you guess which organization this is?

    NBA Or NFL?


  214. 220 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 23, 2008 at 8:56 am

    SG, you just gettin’ that email??? I got that many moons ago! Must have taken the scenic route to your account 😉


  215. 221 Voice of Raisins October 23, 2008 at 8:57 am



  216. 222 Voice of Raisins October 23, 2008 at 8:58 am

    Miami University?


  217. 223 Voice of Raisins October 23, 2008 at 8:59 am

    Tuscaloosa, Alabama PTA?


  218. 224 Voice of Raisins October 23, 2008 at 9:00 am

    Cast of High School Musical III?


  219. 225 Voice of Raisins October 23, 2008 at 9:01 am

    Reverend Wright?


  220. 226 Voice of Raisins October 23, 2008 at 9:02 am

    Kukla, Fran and Ollie?


  221. 227 Voice of Raisins October 23, 2008 at 9:03 am

    Jerry’s kids?


  222. 228 Voice of Raisins October 23, 2008 at 9:04 am

    DOB’s “denizens”?


  223. 229 Voice of Raisins October 23, 2008 at 9:05 am

    The Kennedy family?


  224. 230 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 23, 2008 at 9:06 am

    Cast of High School Musical III? :mrgreen:
    If not, they should at least be behind bars, where they could do no more harm…


  225. 231 Voice of Raisins October 23, 2008 at 9:06 am

    Snoop Dogg’s posse?


  226. 232 Voice of Raisins October 23, 2008 at 9:08 am

    All those folks standing on a hill singing “I’d like to teach the world to sing…”?


  227. 233 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 23, 2008 at 9:08 am

    OJ and his lawyers???

    Man, I just feel like I busted into V’s party , tripped him, then stole his gag!
    I’m a bad man! 😳


  228. 234 Voice of Raisins October 23, 2008 at 9:09 am

    The bounty of players it’ll take to trade for Jake Peavy?


  229. 235 Voice of Raisins October 23, 2008 at 9:10 am

    Pac-man Jones?


  230. 236 Voice of Raisins October 23, 2008 at 9:10 am

    No tripping… I’m on a roll…


  231. 237 Voice of Raisins October 23, 2008 at 9:12 am



  232. 238 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 23, 2008 at 9:12 am

    Speaking of Peavy, sounds like it will be November meetings before anything happens on that front…whoopie! 🙄


  233. 239 Voice of Raisins October 23, 2008 at 9:14 am

    Obama’s short list of Supreme Court nominees?


  234. 240 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 23, 2008 at 9:14 am

    ACORN, now that’s funny! 😉


  235. 241 Voice of Raisins October 23, 2008 at 9:15 am

    The Ohio elections commission?


  236. 242 Voice of Raisins October 23, 2008 at 9:16 am

    Jamie Lynn Spears’ “little black book”?


  237. 243 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 23, 2008 at 9:16 am

    V, I really agree with your Avatar these days…yet, can’t get away from it!
    And if a miracle takes place and somehow McCain wins…it ain’t gonna be pretty.
    No joke, we are in a neighborhood that will no doubt vote heavily for Obama, I’d be flat out afraid to put a McCain sign in my yard. Is that right???


  238. 244 Voice of Raisins October 23, 2008 at 9:18 am

    The Brady Bunch?


  239. 246 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 23, 2008 at 9:25 am

    Hope they lose a lot of money with that offer! They had to know what would happne. Of course, they may be getting some behind the scenes “help” to cushion any financial losses.


  240. 247 Voice of Raisins October 23, 2008 at 9:27 am

    I’m tapped out…


  241. 248 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 23, 2008 at 9:28 am

    I win!
    Of course, I only created one, but still…it’s the new Math Obamanomics! 😛


  242. 249 Savannah Guy October 23, 2008 at 9:48 am

    Obama’s short list of Supreme Court nominees?



  243. 250 Savannah Guy October 23, 2008 at 9:53 am

    Berigan… I’m usually the last to get stuff.

    NBA or NFL?

    Give up yet?

    Neither, it’s the 435 members of the United States Congress. The same group of Idiots that crank out hundreds of new laws each year designed to keep the rest of us in line.

    I don’t mind politics… it’s most of those that currently hold political office that I have a problem with.


  244. 251 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 23, 2008 at 10:14 am

    SG, no joke, I got that about 10 years ago…it’s a classic, no doubt. Can’t prove or disprove it, but sure seems like them, doesn’t it???


  245. 252 Salty October 23, 2008 at 10:30 am

    Hmmm…can’t prove or disprove? Sure you can….it’s an easy process of elimination. None of them have been talked about…or should I say, very few. Thus, that would eliminate most conservatives/Republicans, as they would be front page media fodder. So…believing some members fall into more than one category (primarily ’cause the total exceeds the total of Dems in both houses…for the moment!), I’ll take an uneducated guess that 1/3 of all are guilty of at least one. You know, maybe the Dems are more in-touch with society than we give them credit! 😆


  246. 253 Savannah Guy October 23, 2008 at 10:35 am

    Well, more financial trouble in today’s news: Russia defaults on the state short-term bonds, and devalues the ruble. The ruble loses 70% of its value against U.S. dollar in the next 6 months. Several of the largest Russians banks collapse, and millions of people lose their savings.

    On the technology front, a weird new business called Google is founded, in Menlo Park, California. Why would anybody want to invest in that? Not even sure what good their product is.

    In world news, President Bill Clinton orders American and British airstrikes on Iraq. UNSCOM withdraws all weapons inspectors from Iraq.

    Next thing you know, that smarty pants Berigan is gonna tell me he heard all this ten years ago. 🙄


  247. 254 Voice of Raisins October 23, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    Nice report on Schafer, who’s tearing it up in Mexico.


    I’m ready to start the season with both Schafer and Hanson on the roster, and screwum, ‘scuse me… forget “the deal”. Both these guys are having great starts to their fall seasons. I’m becoming more and more against including either in a trade…


  248. 255 Gil in Mechanicsville October 23, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    Hi folks, great morning for me. Josie and I went to the Va Marine Museum in VA Beach and looked at all the fish and rays and sharks and seals…. Thought I was in a sports bar for a while… No, it is not nearly as large as the aquariums in Atlanta or Baltimore but then, no dead whales either…

    And Alan Greenspan admits he made a mistake… Stop the presses, hold back Andrea Mitchell… Said he thought the banks would refrain from risky loans in the interest of their shareholders… HA!!! The folks making the deals are long gone…. You really do not want to be the last guy buying into a pyramid scheme..

    Raisins… many good guesses in there. Folks have to remember that it is only the people who claim the moral high ground that need to defend themselves, the left never has claimed that mantra, they don’t care and neither do their supporters. You knew it was a snake when you picked it up…


  249. 256 Voice of Raisins October 23, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    ATLANTA (AP) General manager Frank Wren insists the Braves won’t trade their most valued prospects, apparently not even to bring Jake Peavy to Atlanta.

    Speculation about the Braves’ interest in Peavy has grown since the San Diego Padres confirmed they were fielding offers for the 2007 NL Cy Young winner.

    On Sept. 29, one day after the Braves completed their first 90-loss season since 1990, Wren said he wouldn’t part with the organization’s top prospects.

    Wren made that proclamation before knowing the Padres would consider trade offers for Peavy, but he affirmed his stance Thursday when asked about Peavy.

    “From our perspective we still feel the same and we are looking to the future when that next wave of talent I spoke of arrives in Atlanta,” Wren said in an e-mail to The Associated Press.



  250. 257 Voice of Raisins October 23, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    I still believe in Plan A. Sign 2 FA pitchers and acquire a LF through trade.

    Keep the young talent!!!


  251. 258 Gil in Mechanicsville October 23, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    Well Raisins, if the Braves can afford it, and I think they can…. It would be better for the long term stability to keep your best prospects. Peavy would be a great pick up but not if he is the only one…

    Personally, I would rather have Oswalt but that’s not going to happen either.


  252. 259 Carolina Lady October 23, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    Another Day in the Life of…….

    5 weeks ago I had a root canal done and have battled a serious and painful bone infection ever since.

    Went back today and all the previous work was UNdone, the thing was packed with antibacterial material which will stay in place for 3 weeks, THEN I’ll go back to have the “final” work done.

    I am SOOOOOO looking forward to being painfree and clear-minded. 😀


  253. 260 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 23, 2008 at 7:19 pm

    CL, you are clear minded, if nothing else!


  254. 261 Gil in Mechanicsville October 23, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    Pain free… and clear minded? And just what genie bottle did you find?

    Clean minds, clean bodies…. take your pick… 🙂


  255. 262 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 23, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    V, clearly you have Wren’s phone number! Good on ya mate!
    I know I have mentioned this before, but we don’t lose a thing(At least no first round picks) if we sign Type “A” players, so if we have the moola, why not???
    I think Raul Ibanez would be a great choice. He’s 36, going on 37 next june, but he played in 162 games last year! 23 Hr
    s 110 Rbi’s 43 doubles .293 BA. .358 OBP. All those numbers while playing on the worst team in baseball. He seems like a better candidate than Dunn to bat Cleanup, though he’s probably more of a #3.
    How about stealing the Mets 2nd best starter???


  256. 263 Gil in Mechanicsville October 23, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    Think back a bit folks about the Braves’ pitching staff in 1991. Two guys were products of the Braves farm system, Avery and Glavin, one was a trade acquisition, John Smoltz and one was picked up off the scrap heap. Charlie Leibrandt… Pete Smith and Merker were also farm system products.

    I think if the price is right, Peavy would be a great player to add to the mix but the Braves could have had a good season last year but so many injuries made it impossible for them to be consistent.

    Hampton (Leibrandt) can be a force next year, Jair (Smoltz) is a given, Morton (Avery) I think will be an asset next year. That leaves us with filling the (Glavin) slot. That could be any one of six pitchers in the Braves organization. Wren is right when he says he is not willing to mortgage the future…

    Now, watch him trade everybody for Peavy…


  257. 264 Voice of Raisins October 23, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    I’m all for the young’uns… and Raul Ibanez. I think he’d fit nicely into LF and the 4/5 slot.


  258. 265 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 24, 2008 at 4:25 am

    Pretty sure I have pink eye(Had it once before 36-37 years ago!) managed to get it in both eyes, at least my blurred vision is about about the same in both eyes.
    Fun cold. Hurt my Back from coughing, and most likely got the pink eye from the cold too. Didn’t know you could do that. An educational infection I have! 😕


  259. 266 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 24, 2008 at 4:33 am

    Newsweek Reporter Fantasized About ‘Taking Out’ Rudy Giuliani.


  260. 267 Voice of Raisins October 24, 2008 at 8:40 am

    Atlanta Braves top 20 prospects for 2009 according to some dude named John Sickels:



  261. 268 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 24, 2008 at 11:52 am

    Where is everyone?? Oh right, it’s such a nice day, everyone is outside! 😀


  262. 269 Voice of Raisins October 24, 2008 at 11:57 am

    I be here…


  263. 270 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 24, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    that good


  264. 271 Voice of Raisins October 24, 2008 at 1:05 pm

    Wow! 😯

    At least 10 and possibly as many as 15 NFL players have reportedly tested POSITIVE under the NFL’s testing policy. Supposedly, they have all tested positive for a “water pill” that is frequently used to mask steroid use. Among those who tested POSITIVE is Deuce McAllister.

    I know it ain’t baseball, but it is really big news sportswise…


  265. 272 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 24, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    I wonder if will reach the level it did with baseball though??? Football fans seem to be much more forgiving of HGH and Steroid use…like it goes with the game, they have to do it to recover, etc. Whenever I have heard about some player getting caught and mention it to full time football fans, they just seem to shrug their shoulders.


  266. 273 Voice of Raisins October 24, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    Raisins! You did not suggest Rocco Baldelli!

    Oh, yes I did. He bats righty and might make a good platoon with Anderson for a year or so… He has a rare medical disorder that causes his muscles to fatigue quickly and recover slowly, but in a platoon situation, which is what he’s doing in TB, he can play well. He showed last night that he’s still a very talented player. He won’t cost alot given his unique situation.

    I still think that BJones might could have a breakout season next year. I certainly would not want to go into 2009 banking on that, but if there is a veteran CF on the roster that is consistent and productive, you could give LF some time to develop.

    The bottom line is this: any team that wants to contend can’t do it with more than one rookie in the everyday lienup. They just can’t. So the question will simply be, who gets the shot? Schafer? Anderson? BJones? It’ll only be one… guaranteed.


  267. 274 Voice of Raisins October 24, 2008 at 1:22 pm

    Yes, B, but the NFL has had testing in place for a while. They have a relatively harsh punishment system that truly discourages PED use. Therefore, there aren’t that many instances, relatively speaking. And it’s almost never a big name guy like McAllister.

    MLB’s PED situation reached the level it did because there was no testing for so long. Remember Barroid’s argument all along was that it was technically not prohibited by MLB.


  268. 275 Gil in Mechanicsville October 24, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    Ah… It’s good too be home again… Now baseball..

    When Sickles does his take on the Rays and the Phillies, based on what I saw from AAA, Tampa is still loaded while the Phillies, not so much.

    Tampa had all those years of having a Peter Angelos’ complex and could not put a winning team on the field despite so much talent in their farm system. Look now for Tampa to be the team to beat in the AL East despite all the money spent by the Yankees and the Red Soxs. That is going to be one tough division for quite a few years.

    Now, a team is not going to be able to outspend Boston or New York so teams like Baltimore and Toronto are going to have to get real creative to even have a chance to place by season’s end each year.


  269. 276 Gil in Mechanicsville October 24, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    And steroids and football? To me it’s like steroids and pro wrestling… same, only different…

    Thing is, in football, everybody is using PEDs… Guys that don’t are not around long. Baseball is much more a sport for purest. A little guy has just as much chance of excelling as a big muscle bound guy. Ask Frency about the advantage of all that extra muscle. Baseball is much more about finesse than brute strength…


  270. 277 Salty October 24, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    Raisins…I was raggin’ on you from the days ‘across the way’ at the other ‘saloon’. It was Baldelli all day, all the time! 😆 I have no problem with considering him.

    Oh…isn’t it about time to call Anderson a rookie-heavy…he has much more MLB time (orders of magnitude) than the other two.

    Holding onto Hanson and Schafer…both? It would be nice…but what will we be left with bringing in? 😕


  271. 278 Voice of Raisins October 24, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    I just lost an epic post! 😦


  272. 279 Voice of Raisins October 24, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    We will be left bringing in FA pitchers such as Lowe, Looper, Wolf, etc. If Toronto cuts Burnett loose, Wren should be on him like stink on… well, you know. I still like Lowe, even though he is represented by Satan. Lowe and Burnett along with JJ, Campillo, Hampton, Morton, Hanson would be OK.

    I doubt that all 3 of BJones, Blanco and Anderson will be around in ’09. Somebody’ll be gone via trade.


  273. 280 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 24, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    Y’all need to use mozilla, I’m telling you, it’s saved my butt more than once when I was sure a long winded post was gone forever….


  274. 281 Voice of Raisins October 24, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    I figure it’s God’s way of telling me to “shut up”. 😀


  275. 282 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 24, 2008 at 2:44 pm



  276. 283 Voice of Raisins October 24, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    Oh geez… 🙄

    Opie and Andy Taylor for Obama

    Why is it that, without fail, the worst, most tedious, too-long political ads of the season have come from people who are paid exclusively to make films?

    One would think that entertainment professionals could at least manage to, well, entertain during a short political ad. But nope. Leonardo DiCaprio, Sarah Silverman, and a host of other stars brought us five minutes of the one-note joke, “Don’t vote.”

    Now, famed director Ron Howard brings us this slightly funnier and mercifully shorter endorsement of Barack Obama, co-starring Andy Griffith and Henry Winkler. It still drags on for 3:40, and the cheap thrill of seeing Opie and Andy fishing together again is offset entirely by watching the sheriff endorse Obama, presumably because he thinks all international crises can be solved if only Obama and Ahamadinejad could settle in for a creek-side chat in Mayberry about Israel, “the stinking corpse” and America, “the Great Satan.”

    Somewhere, Aunt Bea and Barney Fife are looking down and endorsing McCain: “Nip it in the bud! You got to nip it in the bud!” –The Weekly Standard

    The nauseating video is here:



  277. 284 Gil in Mechanicsville October 24, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    All I have to say about it is there are going to be a lot of upset people on November 5th. I just hope I am not one of them…


  278. 285 Gil in Mechanicsville October 24, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    But if I am… I will just sit back and wait for the government to do it all for me… And scream about how it’s taking too long for me to receive my rebate checks…


  279. 286 Voice of Raisins October 24, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    I’ll take 40 acres and a mule and be happy…


  280. 287 Voice of Raisins October 24, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    The Mets plan on targeting Derek Lowe and Brian Fuentes in the free agent market, an NL executive who has talked to team officials told the Post. The Mets are promising to be creative and explore many avenues. But Lowe (a dependable innings eater) and Fuentes (a proven closer) fit the Mets’ top two needs, and are going to be pursued by the organization this offseason. –NY Post

    Yet another reason to aggresively bring him to ATL…


  281. 288 Voice of Raisins October 24, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    A number of executives polled believe that Lowe will be the third most-sought after starting pitcher, behind only CC Sabathia and A.J. Burnett. Lowe could get a three or four-year deal with an average annual salary in the area of $14 million to $15 million. –Boston Herald


  282. 289 Voice of Raisins October 24, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    The Blue Jays aren’t getting far with the first to-do on its winter list, re-signing A.J. Burnett. “They’re not going bad, they’re not going good. They’re fine,” Ricciardi said of his conversations with Burnett’s agent. That agent, Darek Braunecker, said Monday his client is no closer to deciding whether to exercise the opt-out clause in his contract. “I don’t think he’s in any hurry to make an announcement either way,” Braunecker said. Burnett has until 15 days after the end of the World Series to decide if he wants to become a free agent. According to Braunecker, the Jays have as yet made no offer “either official or unofficial” to his client. But Braunecker has already said he will not hold substantive talks until Burnett has made his decision. — Toronto Star


  283. 290 Voice of Raisins October 24, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    So what would it cost to sign Burnett, who’s expected to opt out of the final two $12 mill option years of his contract and become a free agent next week? I’m told that the Blue Jays are going to make him a take-it-or-leave-it offer of about four years and $54 million, basically two $15 mill years on top of the $12 mill option years.

    That would virtually assure he’ll opt for the “leave it” rather than “take it” and he’ll hit the open market. It’ll be interesting to see where the bidding goes, but I’d bet he’ll get at least a four-year offer worth $60-64 million, and perhaps significantly more. the guy across the street


  284. 291 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 24, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    This is fairly long, but if you have the time later on, read how a journalist sees what has happened to the press, and how angry he is about it….
    Editing Their Way to Oblivion: Journalism Sacrificed For Power and Pensions



  285. 292 Gil in Mechanicsville October 24, 2008 at 6:58 pm

    good article Ber… Thanks…


  286. 293 Savannah Guy October 24, 2008 at 8:59 pm

    I’ve been so busy I don’t even know who won last nights game. That’s ridiculous… but true I’m afraid. I’ll check mlb in a minute. I’ll probably read the article that Bear linked above sometime next week. That’s also ridiculous that I can’t read it until then and am too whooped now to read it, but true.

    I’ve been so under water that I didn’t even know that Gil had gone on his beach trip. Now I find that he’s gone and come back already. It’s ridiculous that a man can go on a vacation and another man has been juggling chainsaws the whole time and didn’t know. I can almost hear Ed McMahon chime in… “well, how underwater were you, oh Sultan of Bubbles”. Then I’d have to chime in, “I was so underwater that I had to borrow a hollowed-out piece of bamboo from Rambo just to breathe”. Not that funny but I’d get a drumbeat from Doc anyway.

    At some point in the last few days, I did get lucky enough to see the Opie, Andy and Fonz Obama suckup spot. That’s the most ridiculous thing of all. Andy can be forgiven… he’s obviously senile. Opie should know better, but he’s been drinking the Kool-Aid so long he’s probably gone senile too. The Fonz, well, he was always a bit odd, so no surprise there. Maybe too many facelifts have cut off the circulation in his frontal lobe or something… who knows. Who cares? They’ve all turned into Floyd the barber or sumpin’?

    Where’s Ernest T. Bass when you need him? He’d jump all over Andy’s back and bite his ear if he heard the old Sheriff was backing Obama. After Three’s Company, I’m not sure what Barney would think about it all.

    They’ve all turned into Goobers.


  287. 294 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 24, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    Goobers! :mrgreen: Right you are SG! Man, that clip is one of the creepiest things I have ever seen! I know it’s supposed to be tongue in cheek and all that, but damn…just damn.


  288. 295 Gil in Mechanicsville October 25, 2008 at 3:00 am

    Guys, it just shows how tough it is to get work in Hollywood these days….

    And how many people will admit they voted for Obama in 6 months? I am reminded of another first.. Doug Wilder… former Governor of Va who did not have to face reelection as governor but decided to become a one term mayor, not by choice mind you but when from 87% popularity to numbers that would embarrass even George Bush. Oh how far the mighty have fallen…

    And SG… just be mindful of the chainsaws, and be thankful you still have work… Somebody has got to be in the higher tax brackets from which to share their wealth…


  289. 296 Gil in Mechanicsville October 25, 2008 at 8:55 am

    Hey CL… I posted up Part 3 for you to take a look at. Feel free to use your editorial license and amend to suit. Post when you feel there is a need for a fresh slate.


  290. 297 Gil in Mechanicsville October 25, 2008 at 10:11 am

    And the blog is quiet today, I guess everyone feels like they have used up their allotment of words for the week. It’s okay folks, SG is way under his limit and we can redistribute his wealth of prose to those who feel in need. After all, this is a very sociable group…


  291. 298 Savannah Guy October 25, 2008 at 11:04 am

    SG is way under his limit and we can redistribute his wealth of prose to those who feel in need.

    Spread my wealth around? Mercy! But it isn’t fair to spread. I earned those letters and words the old fashioned way… I worked for them. They were just laying around all over the place in my head, so I gathered ’em all up, rearranged them, culled them, tilled them, mowed them, washed them and posted them.

    You mean after all that, some other guy can come along and just take paragraphs from me without having to work? It ain’t right. Say it ain’t so. It amounts to blogsocialism. OK, maybe I’m being too greedy. They can have all the letters they want (A-Z), take some words (the, and, but, uh) and even some sentences (to be or not to be) but please don’t let them take whole paragraphs.

    This could lead to a Blogston Tea Party and words will just get tossed into the bay to float out on the outgoing tide.


  292. 299 Salty October 25, 2008 at 11:17 am

    blogsocialism…perhaps. I prefer to call it blog-istribution! :mrgreen:
    It’s the Obamightiest!


  293. 300 Savannah Guy October 25, 2008 at 11:46 am

    Under the Obama economic redistribution tax plan, we will continue to work hard all year but we won’t get paid for some months:

    Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec

    Maybe the Obama/Biden slogan should be, “BE PROUD, BE PATRIOTIC, BE HAPPY”.

    (be proud to work for the proletariat, be patriotic and don’t resist while we spread the money that you exploited around and be happy we don’t take it all).

    Or this election day we can strike one for America: OBAMA


  294. 301 Voice of Raisins October 25, 2008 at 1:58 pm



  295. 302 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 25, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    I coined the term Obamanomics® the other day…it’s mine, mine, MINE! 😡



  296. 303 Savannah Guy October 25, 2008 at 4:15 pm



  297. 305 Voice of Raisins October 25, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    Obamacide… what he’ll do to our country…


  298. 306 Carolina Lady October 25, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    Did y’all read where he has spent $2mil to rent a big place to celebrate his victory? Wonder if it is refundable.

    Got an email today which shows a receipt, signed by Michelle Obama, though I don’t see a date on it:

    The Waldorf-Astoria
    Room Service

    2 Lobster Hors ‘D’oeuvers $ 50.00
    2 whole steamed lobsters $100.00
    1 Iranian Osetra Caviar $150.00 (Does Iran have caviar??)
    1 Bollinger Champagne $ 44.00

    Subtotal $344.00
    Service charge $ 68.00
    NYtaxes $ 34.59

    TOTAL $447.39

    “The truth is, in order to get things like Universal Health Care and a revamped Education System, then SOMEONE is going to have to give up a piece of the pie so that someone else can have more.”
    Michelle Obama

    Somehow I just don’t see the ‘big dogs’ giving up anything for anything.


  299. 307 Gil in Mechanicsville October 25, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    Lenin never gave up anything, just tried to make people think he was one of them….

    The rules do not apply to the politburo.


  300. 308 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 25, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    CL, apparently the NY Post has retracted the page 6 story…man, even the receipt looks legit! Scary in that in the future, it’s going to become almost impossible to know if a story or grainy video tape is real, or doctored.

    Meanwhile, the NYT did a front page story on Governor Palin’s 170K+ wardrobe. Funny, I bet the same has been spent on Michelle Obama, but that ain’t news. And Obama’s funky 60’s JFK like suits, I bet a small fortune has been spent on them as well. I expect a front page story from the Slimes any day now on their clothes…


  301. 309 Gil in Mechanicsville October 25, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    I was just reading a piece on Palin rebelling against her handlers… It’s about time. Funny, the talking heads try to make out like McCain’s choice of Palin was a bad one and would be the reason if he lost. Folks, if he loses it will be by his own hand. It was Palin who injected some spark into the Republicans. Otherwise most of us conservatives would have been rooting for Ron Paul.

    Tom Ridge said he would have been a better choice… I digress on that one… Likely I would not have voted at all….


  302. 310 Gil in Mechanicsville October 25, 2008 at 8:59 pm

    Sarah says she had no idea what the clothes cost, never went to any of the stores. It was a hit job plain and simple….


  303. 311 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 25, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    Someone’s gone and done it now! Asked Biden some tough questions about Obama. Clearly, someone didn’t tell her you can’t do that, now her station won’t have any more access to the candidates! Funny, did McCain/Palin do the same to ABC/CBS or NYT????

    clip of anchor and Biden

    Story of station losing access…


  304. 312 Carolina Lady October 25, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    They would have ridiculed her if she didn’t get a new wardrobe or not. It only makes sense that certain things are going to be required and that includes clothing.

    What about Michelle??

    Michelle has had an entire TEAM, usually reserved for the candidate only, to coach her on EVERYTHING, including dress, in order to make her more palatable to the public.

    You know, everything about the Obama campaign is deceit and lies.


  305. 313 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 25, 2008 at 9:59 pm

    Gil, speaking of hit jobs, did you hear about what the NYT did to Cindy McCain??? Bringing up her pill addiction for the billionth time, even had a reporter asking questions of her daughter via facebook??
    As some columnist said, why aren’t there stories about Obama’s drug use, who his dealer was,etc, etc, etc?? Well, we all know the answer to that….


  306. 314 Gil in Mechanicsville October 25, 2008 at 11:04 pm

    Isn’t it a shame we no longer have honest journalism in the country, maybe we never did but is was not so blatant. As for the now blacklisted news anchor, I thought the questions were fair, she did not interrupt Biden but allowed him to give his answers. I really did not hear a single gotcha question, they were tough questions to be fair.

    I wonder if the White House press corp is going to roll over too?


  307. 315 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 26, 2008 at 12:35 am

    Anyone watching the late, late show, aka the World Series??? Soon to be 46 year old Jamie Moyer pitched his heart out, and made a brilliant defensive play that should have caused the first out of the 7th, but the blind ump called Carl Crawford out….now 4-3 Phils….


  308. 316 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 26, 2008 at 2:15 am

    Gil, if you had awakened earlier, you would have been able to watch the end of the game! 😉
    Phils won! Man, I really can’t find a feel for who I want to win. I like the idea of the NL winning, to shut up those AL folks that think we are a AAAA league(Of course, I say stuff like this at times, but that’s different! 😳 )
    But, I like Tampa’s story as well.
    I rooted for the Phillies tonight, since it was their first home WS game this year, and the Moyer story. Glad that bad call didn’t truly decide who won the game. May root for the rays tomorrow, we shall see! Fun to be fickle! 🙂


  309. 317 Gil in Mechanicsville October 26, 2008 at 8:04 am

    The best you can hope for is a good game… I fell asleep early in the game. I still think they should be playing day games, at least on the weekends. After all, how many folks on the left coast are watching this series?


  310. 318 Savannah Guy October 26, 2008 at 10:26 am

    Obama’s election night menus may be telling us more than we know.

    Lobster? I like lobster too, but they are tasty bottom feeders. Like Acorn.

    Iranian Osetra Caviar? The “pre-condition” for meeting with Ahmadinejad?

    Bollinger Champagne? Celebrating an Islamic theocracy in France?

    No Stilton cheese to celebrate Sharia Law in Britain?

    Could these be more than elite menu items? Might the menu items actually be cosmic symbols? Are these selections social, political statements or just food coincidences? Connecting a few dots may add global insight to a media that won’t ask questions about a Presidential candidate with such a mysterious past and such troubling friends.

    Dot One:

    Leading bishops publicly contradicted (the Archbishop of Canterbury) Dr Rowan Williams’s call for Islamic law to be brought into the British legal system.

    Dot Two:

    Philip Pullman, author or the ‘His Dark Materials’ and ‘The Golden Compass’, is a supporter of the British Humanist Association and an Honorary Associate of the National Secular Society. Pullman as one of England’s most outspoken atheists.

    Dot Three:

    (Philip) Pullman has found support from Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury.

    Dot Four:

    The Romans were rich, white, Europeans…”


  311. 319 Savannah Guy October 26, 2008 at 10:28 am

    Dot Five:

    The media can make an evil man look good and a good man look wicked.

    Dot Six:

    This is how the media food chain works. A bogus charge…

    CNN said they did what any serious news organization would do… they actually did some first-hand investigation in Indonesia and, coming as no surprise, found that Obama’s school was not an Islamic Madrassa in Indonesia.

    Dot Seven:

    Obama: I will have credibility in the Muslim world.

    Well, I’m glad CNN cleared that up and stopped that vicious right-wing rumor about Barry Obama (brought during the primaries against Hillary). Good thing we have CNN to bring impartiality to the issue.

    Connect the dots or not, they do begin to illustrate a possibility of a global movement. Is Barak Hussein Obama the Maginot Line destroyer of the western world? Will the push for an Islamic theocracy in Britain, France and Europe gain an ally in Barry? Will Iran and the Islamic terrorists become more emboldened with a leader of the free world that is sympathetic to their background and enabling of their cause? Will the sectarian or atheistic movements gain a stronger foothold with Obama?

    This election is more than the next political leader of the US and it’s more than the selection of our Commander In Chief. This election has global implications and effect in its economic, political, religious, social and national security ramifications.

    Connect the dots if you like, or cast it all off as more out-of-context, right wing, gun toting, bible-thumping, capitalistic blather. Still, the dots not only connect… they form a dark circle of power and control. They represent ”change”.

    Not a Change we can believe in.


  312. 320 Savannah Guy October 26, 2008 at 10:29 am

    Oh, and be sure to click the blue-type dots. Many a truth there.

    And no… Kevin Bacon has not been connected in this. Not yet anyway.


  313. 321 Savannah Guy October 26, 2008 at 10:39 am

    Dot one didn’t seem to work. Try again:

    Dot One:


  314. 322 Savannah Guy October 26, 2008 at 10:41 am

    Well, one more try (maybe CL or Gil could fix in the first post?) The dots must be in order.

    Dot One, the old fashioned way:



  315. 323 Savannah Guy October 26, 2008 at 10:45 am


    Dot one is a link to an article in This Is London on the Archbishop of Canterbury, and how he is getting slammed for supporting Sharia Law. The dark forces must be blocking the linkage.


  316. 324 Gil in Mechanicsville October 26, 2008 at 11:04 am

    It ain’t over til it’s over but the pundits keep trying to perform an autopsy of the Republican campaign before the patient is dead. Our founding fathers were fearful of putting too much power in the hands of the masses for much for this reason. That uneducated and ill informed mobs would vote and squander our birthright.


  317. 325 Voice of Raisins October 26, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    Before Braves General Manager Frank Wren told the Associated Press on Thursday that he will not be trading his top prospects, the Braves, as part of trade talks involving Padres ace Jake Peavy, had told the Padres they will not deal their top pitching prospect, Tommy Hanson.

    The Padres haven’t stopped scouting Hanson in the Arizona Fall League; Friday, for the second time in seven days, they had three scouts there to watch and once again Hanson performed well. –San Diego Union-Tribune


  318. 326 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 26, 2008 at 10:15 pm

    SG, you get the feeling England is the future of the US, don’t you???? Scary stuff! They also don’t allow piggie banks to be used on banks anymore, and the radical muslims had a hissy fit awhile back over a puppy used in a police ad on a billboard!


  319. 327 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 27, 2008 at 8:04 am

    This just in: the Phillies won last night! 😉
    Man, did not see them getting out to a 3-1 game lead, did anyone else???
    Good for the NL, though I feel sorry for Tampa. Of course, Philadelphia has one baseball championship in, in…well, in a long history.


  320. 328 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 27, 2008 at 8:26 am

    Everyone hear about the big story(ies) on the morning news?? The story of their being a big party thrown for a PLO apologist(and martyr lover) Rashid Khalidi a few years back, and Obama was there. That guy from the neighborhood, Bill Ayers was there too. Unlike Ayers, Obama has admitted to having dinner several times with, and having talks with Rashid.
    In fact he said…
    [of]His many talks with the Khalidis, Obama said, had been “consistent reminders to me of my own blind spots and my own biases… It’s for that reason that I’m hoping that, for many years to come, we continue that conversation — a conversation that is necessary not just around Mona and Rashid’s dinner table,” but around “this entire world.”

    There is video of the event, the LA Times reporter that wrote about this in April has screened it, but…reporter won’t show the tape to anyone else, or say where he got it from. His friends would be so mad if he like, might have done something to harm the dear leader.

    Then, there is this Audio clip of Obama, 4 minutes long http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck
    Can’t play it for some reason??? Here’s what he said….

    If you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement and its litigation strategy in the court. I think where it succeeded was to invest formal rights in previously dispossessed people, so that now I would have the right to vote. I would now be able to sit at the lunch counter and order as long as I could pay for it I’d be o.k. But, the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society. To that extent, as radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as its been interpreted and Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states can’t do to you. Says what the Federal government can’t do to you, but doesn’t say what the Federal government or State government must do on your behalf, and that hasn’t shifted and one of the, I think, tragedies of the civil rights movement was, um, because the civil rights movement became so court focused I think there was a tendancy to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalition of powers through which you bring about redistributive change. In some ways we still suffer from that.

    Pardon me CL, but WTF???? redistributive change???? If that doesn’t scare anyone still on the fence about the smooth talkin’ senator, nothing ever will.

    But, I saw no talk of this on ABC this morning, which used to be the one I could stand. Instead, I heard talk of Palin’s wardrobe, and anonymous people in the campaign saying she’s a diva . folks like former Clinton communications director George Stephanopoulos, and Mario Cuomo’s son, both now considered to be totally straight shootin’ no biases kind of people, tell us how great Obama is, and what sorry shape the McCain campaign is in, in the key battleground states. 🙄

    IF McCain loses, we need to tell ABCNBCCBSCNN where to go…the only way they will understand. By talking to their advertisers and saying if they keep running ads on those “news” shows, we will no longer buy their products.
    I hate boycotts, but this is beyond the pale. NOTHING they do is more important than presenting the news as straightforwardly as possible.
    For generations, the press has been liberal, but was somehow able to overcome this fact, and attempt to show both sides. But, not now…they have an interest in seeing Obama become president, they can’t hide….they don’t pretend to hide it anymore….and they can’t be allowed to get away with this.


  321. 329 Carolina Lady October 27, 2008 at 9:16 am

    Ber, how about “there was a tendancy to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalition of powers” ???

    ACORN, anyone? And there surely are others. That quote says that he has spent his entire adult life working to bring about this redistribution and now he HAS brought about the COALITION OF POWERS to do it. Socialism. Communism.

    And on the TV spot where the reporter had the audacity to actually ask Biden some serious questions, Biden said “Obama has never talked about ‘redistribution of wealth.” Listen to the clip and you’ll hear it. (Click here to watch the interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQXcImQfubM .)

    Since the Obama people were so incensed that such questions were asked, they will now boycott that station. Translation: disagree with us, or ask us pertinent questions and we will, in effect, censor you by refusing to speak to you. Other ‘news’ organizations should take note; you’ll report only what he wants you to report. Of course, the primary former news organizations already do that. Any voice in opposition must be silenced. What a future for America! Stalin, Lenin and Marx must be rolling with laughter in their graves.

    This is such a dangerous time for our nation. Those who know how have to pray without ceasing! “If MY people, who are called by MY Name, will humble themselves….”

    Otherwise – yesterday I felt the best I’ve felt in the last 6 weeks! This last procedure done by the dentist is finally working! I sure wish he had done it in the first place! This has been a miserable ordeal.

    Gil, thanks for the lext lead! Will tend to that shortly! (It’s kind of fun to write a series, isn’t it?) 😀


  322. 330 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 27, 2008 at 9:33 am

    CL, so glad you are feeling better finally! 🙂


  323. 331 Carolina Lady October 27, 2008 at 9:41 am

    Thanks, Ber!


    If you do nothing else, take 4:00 and listen to Obama:

    Changing the Constitution (“a negative document”), Changing through legislation instead of the courts, The Warren Court wasn’t radical enough, the Civil Rights movement didn’t do enough to break the negatives that the Founding Fathers established in the Constitution…..



  324. 332 Gil in Mechanicsville October 27, 2008 at 10:52 am

    Good morning all… Yes CL, I determined that breaking up the lead into several parts would make it a bit more readable as long post do not hold the typical surfer’s attention. A thousand words seems to be about right. My prose is not Pulitzer worthy but I do try to be entertaining as well as informative.

    Ber… I would not go so far as to call the American League AAAA, however, it is good to see parity. It is not over until the last out and with the current umpiring crew, who knows when that might be.


  325. 333 Voice of Raisins October 27, 2008 at 11:47 am

    Voice of Raisins Says:
    October 20, 2008 at 8:29 am

    Congrats to the Rays. The Price kid was impressive.

    Rays in 6. Burrell will disappear, as will Utley and Howard to a lesser degree. Victorino will be their only hope.

    Anybody want some stock tips? 😆


  326. 334 Carolina Lady October 27, 2008 at 11:51 am

    Herefords or longhorns, Raisins?


  327. 335 Gil in Mechanicsville October 27, 2008 at 11:53 am

    stock tips? black shoes and not brown? Holsteins and not Jerseys? Keep in inventory or just in time? So many questions, so many answers…

    And when your pitching staff gives up a homer to the opposing pitcher you know you are in for a long night…


  328. 336 Voice of Raisins October 27, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    Beef stock and chicken stock. Don’t buy the stuff off the shelves. It’s full of sodium. 😛


  329. 337 Gil in Mechanicsville October 27, 2008 at 12:39 pm
  330. 338 Gil in Mechanicsville October 27, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    I think I will stock up now…


  331. 339 Salty October 27, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    Wow, just over two weeks ago, I wrote:
    It’ll be under $2.50 within a month…personally, I expect much sooner than that, but…we’ll see, won’t we?

    I filled up for $2.27 yesterday…and Georgia is still higher than many areas. Should be closer to $2.00…and states with lower gas taxes than Georgia will be under $2.00/gallon. That’s a big help for folks…if they can hang onto their jobs.

    Obama says if we lift all the boats, the tides will rise! 😯 Can someone ‘splain that to me? I’m lost. 🙄 😕


  332. 341 Voice of Raisins October 27, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    Obama says if we lift all the boats, the tides will rise!

    You see, when he says “lift” the boats, he’s referring to stealing them. He’s going to take the boats from people who can afford them, and give them to the “less fortunate”, like illegal aliens, um, excuse me… undocumented workers, so that they can send them back home, along with the millions of dollars in untaxed wages, and fill them up with more undocumented workers. The increased cargo, I mean, passengers on the boats will cause them to ride lower in the water, thus displacing a higher volume, giving the impression that the tide has indeed risen.

    In other words, it’s another illusion built on lies that will further weaken this country.


  333. 342 Salty October 27, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    VOR…what an outstanding impersonation of an SG post! 😛 You’ve been bathed in the wake of his logic! 😆


  334. 343 Gil in Mechanicsville October 27, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    He does have a bit of a problem when he strays from the teleprompter text…

    Perhaps he is referring to the “Red Tide” that will soon wash over us like the wake of a garbage scow…

    As for me, from the birthplace of Patrick Henry, I am clinging to my guns and religion and being bitter and if that makes me a redneck then call a spade a spade…. uh… well you know…


  335. 344 Voice of Raisins October 27, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    A little Neal Boortz for today:

    Now that brings again to Obama. You’ve heard, haven’t you, that a 2001 Chicago Public Radio interview of then Illinois State Senator Barack Obama has surfaced. In that interview Obama says that it was a tragedy that during the civil rights era the Supreme Court didn’t pursue “redistribution of the wealth.”

    We’ve really made some progress here. Well, I guess that the left has really made some progress. We now have a presidential candidate who talks openly of increasing taxes not because the government needs the money, but because the people who do have the money don’t actually deserve it and there are other people out there who need it more. Sorry folks, but facts is facts. Redistribution of the wealth is a basic tenant of Communism. To whatever degree you support a forced redistribution of wealth you are a Communist. Simple as that.

    The warning signs have always been there. In his book Dreams from my Father Obama writes of a relationship he had in is late teens with someone named “Frank.” For some reason Obama doesn’t include his last name. Obama refers to Frank as “a poet” who was full of “hard-earned knowledge.” He also says that Frank had “some modest notoriety once.” Yeah, I’ll say. Frank was Frank Marshall Davis was a member of the CPUSA. For those of you who don’t like acronyms, that’s Communist Party of the United States of America. Frank Marshall Davis … some mentor, don’t you think?

    For all of you suburban housewives and country clubbers who think that you are just so, like, enlightened for voting for Obama, it’s time for your wake up call … though I don’t know if it will help:

    Barack Obama’s core belief is that we belong not to ourselves, but to government. We are tools that the government is free to use to bring about what Obama calls “economic justice.” The fruits of our labor belong to government … and government can do with them what it pleases.

    Now if this is your philosophy, then vote for this guy. Then every time you draw a paycheck why don’t you drop him a line and ask him how much of it you can keep to care for your family and plan for your own future and how much he would like to have to redistribute to someone who sat on their butt while you were busting yours. After all, you voted for him.


  336. 345 Salty October 27, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    That’s a pretty powerful monologue by Mr. Boortz. Thanks for sharing, Raisins! Of course, it needs to be heard by the ‘enlightened’, before their paychecks, bank accounts, and any measure of assets that is above the median ‘right to own’ standard the ‘Chosen One’ feels is appropriate. In other words, before imposes ‘his lightening’.


  337. 346 Salty October 27, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    Reading some of the scouts’ assessments of Hanson, I’m firmly in the camp of hanging onto him…period. As much as I’d like Peavy, not at the expense of Hanson. I believe ’twas you, Raisins, who opted to pursue Cain instead. If so, that’s a second camp I’ll join. Lead the way, man!


  338. 347 Gil in Mechanicsville October 27, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    If I were Manny Accta I would be watching my back….



  339. 348 Voice of Raisins October 27, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    There are no general managers at this World Series, but the phone lines have been abuzz, and it is no coincidence that so much of the off-the-field pre-winter conversations have revolved around the Braves and Marlins, both of whom are acknowledged to have the mother lode of young talent coming fast to a soon-to-be highly competitive NL East. –NY Daily News


  340. 349 Gil in Mechanicsville October 27, 2008 at 6:48 pm

    Brrrrrr… Man, who turned off the sun??? A cold wet rain, worse than a snow if you ask me… At least the snow brings quite. I am sure it’s going to be worse in Phillie tonight.


  341. 350 Carolina Lady October 27, 2008 at 6:52 pm

    Gas is still $2.65 – $2.72 here.

    More than a million people have already voted here in NC – more than voted total in the primary. It’s a good thing the polls are open 5 1/2 days a week; there’s no way all these could have voted in one day without having voting booths on every corner.

    The guy in West Hollywood who hung the effigy of Sarah Palin in front of his house says ‘it is Halloween FUN’ and agrees that had he hung BO that the reaction would have been totally different. Then he shrugs and grins. He said ‘You can think of it as Art.’

    If anyone did that with BO, the streets wouldn’t be able to contain the ‘news’ satellite trucks, Jackson, Sharpton, et al – and it would the the #1 topic on every broadcast. But it’s OK to portray a white woman being hanged. Just not a black man; that would be racist. What do they call this??

    And how long before the law would show up to rip it down? And for the law suits to be filed? And vandalism to take place? Racism.


  342. 351 Gil in Mechanicsville October 27, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    Yes CL, I saw that… Freedom of speech does not extend to folks like us… It is only going to get worse…

    I am doing my part in trying to sway voters here in the Old Dominion. I don’t know if it will make a difference in the big picture but it will make a difference to me.

    The only thing left to do is wait for the wealth to get spread around…


    Now baseball… I am making my plans to attend spring training in Florida. To bad the Dodgers moved out of Sarasota.


  343. 352 Carolina Lady October 27, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    If any business owner is stupid enough to vote for him, he’ll get his just desserts.

    You going to ST????? This is me – greeeeeeeen with envy!!!!! But really, really happy for you!!!!! Full reports required, you know! 😆


  344. 354 flbravesgirl October 27, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    Greetings from very chilly Tiger, GA! Never got out of the 40s today.

    Gil, Dodgers were in Vero Beach, over on the east coast. Reds are in Sarasota.


  345. 355 Gil in Mechanicsville October 28, 2008 at 4:51 am

    Thanks FBG… I found that out when I went on line to get an idea of who is where. Seeing the Reds will be good too… I can spend my entire baseball budget on ST as I won’t have any local baseball this year.

    The whole thing with the loss of the Braves would not be so sad were it not for the fact the city of Richmond had three opportunities to keep the franchise in the area long term.


  346. 356 Voice of Raisins October 28, 2008 at 9:03 am

    Why on God’s green earth, with both participating teams on the east coast, are all of the WS games starting at 8:40pm? Bud Selig and all of the MLB front office clowns need to be taken out back and beaten silly. I’d say beaten senseless, but they already are that. They have already lost one generation of fans, now they are trying to lose the lifers. It is so incredibly stupid…


  347. 357 Voice of Raisins October 28, 2008 at 9:23 am

    I don’t know if I have ever seen, with very sleepy eyes, a worse umpired WS in my life. Kazmir got absolutely hosed last night. I give him alot of credit for not going ballistic on Jeff Kellogg. I hope there is some accountability for the sorry officiating.


  348. 358 Gil in Mechanicsville October 28, 2008 at 9:59 am

    Maybe Bud has instructed the umpiring crew to let the National League win a series for a change… Tough to win when you are playing 9 against 10.


  349. 359 Carolina Lady October 28, 2008 at 10:07 am

    All they care about is network money. The networks decide the game times.


  350. 360 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 28, 2008 at 10:14 am

    Gotta start the game late sillies, King Obama is going to be on all the channels at 8 PM…fear not our soon to be fearless leader….


  351. 361 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 28, 2008 at 10:14 am

    I’d dearly love to see a rainout….call the game around 3 PM…too much to ask for I am sure….


  352. 362 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 28, 2008 at 10:17 am

    FLB, welcome to the warm, warm south! :mrgreen:


  353. 363 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 28, 2008 at 10:19 am

    Oh, and I see the question was why are all the games starting at 8:40 pm…as Emily Litella used to say….never mind!!!


  354. 364 Savannah Guy October 28, 2008 at 10:40 am

    Continuing the “connect the dots” series… hope this one works better than Dot One.

    Dot 8: Another blatant example of media bias.

    The NY media once again gives us half-truths, by failing to mention that dead fish, dead shrimp, dead cows, dead pigs, dead ducks and dead chickens were also found in the kitchen. This is a sure fire case of species bias.

    Would they have been happier finding a live deer in the kitchen? That’s crazy.

    Now, politics. The following clip is proof that Obama is not what he says he is. Even FBG and Raisins will prolly like this one.

    Dot 9: It’s just sickening to watch.


  355. 366 Voice of Raisins October 28, 2008 at 11:04 am

    Please tell me you didn’t make me sit through over 4 minutes of Rick Astley for nuttin’! 😯


  356. 367 Voice of Raisins October 28, 2008 at 11:08 am

    Oh, no you dit-uhn! 😛


  357. 368 Gil in Mechanicsville October 28, 2008 at 11:12 am

    Hey Ber… check your e-mail…


  358. 371 Carolina Lady October 28, 2008 at 11:21 am


    01. After the Lone Ranger saved the day and rode off
    into the sunset, the grateful citizens would ask, Who
    was that masked man? Invariably, someone would
    answer, I don’t know, but he left this behind. What
    did he leave behind?_______ _________.

    02. When the Beatles first came to the U.S. In
    early 1964, we all watched them on The
    _______________ Show.

    03 ‘Get your kicks, __________________.’

    04. ‘The story you are about to see is true. The na
    mes have been changed to ___________________.’

    05. ‘In the jungle! the mighty jungle,
    06. After the Twist, The Mashed Potato! , and the
    Watusi, we ‘danced’ under a stick that was lowered as
    low as we could go in a dance called the

    07. ‘N_E_S_T_L_E_S’, Nestle’s makes the very best .
    . . _______________.’

    08. Satchmo was America ‘s ‘Ambassador of Goodwill’
    Our parents shared this great jazz trumpet player
    with us. His name was _________________.

    09. What takes a licking and keeps on ticki ng?

    10. Red Skelton’s hobo character was named
    __________________ and Red always ended his
    television show by saying, ‘Good Night, and ‘________

    11. Some Americans who protested the Vietnam War did
    so by burning their______________.

    12. The cute little car with the engine in the back
    and the trunk in the front was called the VW. What
    other names did it go by? ____________ &

    13. In 197 1, singer Don MacLean sang a song about,
    ‘the day the music died.’ This was a tribute to

    14. We can remember the first satellite placed into
    orbit. The Russians did it. It was called

    15. One of the big fads of the late 50’s and 60’s was
    a large plastic ring that we twirled around our
    waist. It was called the ____________ ____.


    01. The Lone Ranger left behind a silver bullet.
    02. The Ed Sullivan Show
    03. On Route 66
    04. To protect the innocent.
    0 5. The Lion Sleeps Tonight
    06. The limbo
    07. Chocolate
    08. Louis Armstrong
    09. The Timex watch
    10. Freddy, The Freeloader and ‘Good Night and God
    11. Draft cards (Bras were also burned. Not flags,
    as some have guessed)
    12. Beetle or Bug
    13. Buddy Holly
    14. Sputnik
    15. Hula-hoop


  359. 372 Carolina Lady October 28, 2008 at 11:44 am

    Serious stuff from Boortz:


    This man (that would be Barack Obama) thinks that it is the government’s job to decide who gets how much wealth? Maybe it’s just me, but I sort of had this idea that wealth was earned. You worked hard, you pursued an education, you developed job skills, you made good decisions, you took some chances … and if you held your mouth just right your hard work would lead to wealth! Well that’s just not the way it is done anymore. Can any of you cite an instance where Barack Obama has touted the benefits of hard work and said that a person is entitled to the fruits of his labors?

    If ever there was a wealth envy, class warfare candidate, this would be the one. He actually laments the fact that the Supreme Court hasn’t come down with some ruling for what he calls “economic justice”; a ruling that would let bureaucrats in Washington use the police power of the state to seize wealth from the unfavored and give it to the favored. Well, since the Supreme Court hasn’t done it, it will just have to be up to him.

    Come on, folks. Are you really ready for a president who believes that government has the power to tax not in order to raise revenue for its legitimate functions, but to bring about some bureaucratic idea of “fairness” in wealth distribution? Are you really ready for a president who talks in terms of how much of a person’s earnings they actually “need,” and the legitimacy of seizing the remainder?


  360. 373 Savannah Guy October 28, 2008 at 11:56 am

    Damn… I just went through and answered every question and then noticed you gave answers at the end. I got them all right… scout’s honor. No fingers crossed.


  361. 374 Savannah Guy October 28, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    whoops… on second look and double check, seems I missed one. I had Clem Kadiddlehopper, not Freddie the Freeloader.


  362. 375 Voice of Raisins October 28, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    I, ahem, scored 100% on the old man, I mean KID test. 😀


  363. 376 Savannah Guy October 28, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    Raisins has been watching too much Nick at Night.


  364. 377 Voice of Raisins October 28, 2008 at 12:43 pm

    Pining for the “good ol’ days”…

    There we go with the pines again. 😛


  365. 378 Carolina Lady October 28, 2008 at 12:52 pm

    How did y’all do on the turkey shoot? 🙂


  366. 379 Voice of Raisins October 28, 2008 at 1:10 pm

    Should I be annoyed at candidates calling my home phone when I’ve already voted?


  367. 380 Gil in Mechanicsville October 28, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    Well, Raisins.. If you are a Democrat you can vote again… 🙂


  368. 381 Gil in Mechanicsville October 28, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    Then there is caller ID…


  369. 382 Gil in Mechanicsville October 28, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    My next step is to drop either my land line or cell phone, since the government is not going to be frugal, I am am going to need to be. The economy is really going to be hurting soon.

    Just wait until all of the folks who have real money take it out of circulation. Anyone remember what happened when Congress put a cap on domestic oil prices? Oil producers capped their wells and said it will keep… Supply went down and price went up.


  370. 383 Voice of Raisins October 28, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    I have so much work to do, I really don’t have time to shoot turkeys.

    (I scored 3966!) 😀


  371. 384 Voice of Raisins October 28, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    News Corp.’s Fox network said the first four games of Major League Baseball’s World Series between the Tampa Ray Rays and the Philadelphia Phillies drew 25 percent fewer viewers than last year’s championship. This year’s games have averaged about 13 million viewers, down from 2007 when the Boston Red Sox swept the Colorado Rockies in the best-of-seven series, Los Angeles-based Fox said today in an e-mail statement. — Bloomberg

    Aw… they’re breakin’ my heart… 😐


  372. 385 Gil in Mechanicsville October 28, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    Nothing new on the political front…

    Same old, same old with baseball…. No one is doing anything until the series is over.


  373. 386 Carolina Lady October 28, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    What are y’all complaining about??? Obama is going to send all of us lots and lots of money he’s taking from all his rich Hollywood friends, etc. We’ll be better off than ever! ‘Course, I don’t think those idiots realize yet where he intends to GET the money….. Yeah, yeah, yeah – I support this guy because I want CHANGE…… gonna redistribute the wealth! MY wealth! I’m gonna make as many movies as I can so I’ll have more money to give. See how patriotic I am?! 🙄 Are they really that stupid???


  374. 387 Carolina Lady October 28, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, quacks like a duck……

    Obama Affinity to Marxists Dates Back to College Days
    Barack Obama shrugs off charges of socialism, but noted in his own memoir that he carefully chose Marxist professors as friends in college.

    By Bill Sammon


    Tuesday, October 28, 2008

    German philosopher Karl Marx, author of “The Communist Manifesto,” advocated redistributing wealth in order to achieve a classless society. (AP Photo)

    “Barack Obama laughs off charges of socialism. Joe Biden scoffs at references to Marxism. Both men shrug off accusations of liberalism.

    But Obama himself acknowledges that he was drawn to socialists and even Marxists as a college student. He continued to associate with Marxists later in life, even choosing to launch his political career in the living room of a self-described Marxist, William Ayers, in 1995, when Obama was 34.

    Obama’s affinity for Marxists began when he attended Occidental College in Los Angeles.

    “To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully,” the Democratic presidential candidate wrote in his memoir, “Dreams From My Father.” “The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists.”

    Obama’s interest in leftist politics continued after he transferred to Columbia University in New York. He lived on Manhattan’s Upper East Side, venturing to the East Village for what he called “the socialist conferences I sometimes attended at Cooper Union.”

    After graduating from Columbia in 1983, Obama spent a year working for a consulting firm and then went to work for what he described as “a Ralph Nader offshoot” in Harlem.

    “In search of some inspiration, I went to hear Kwame Toure, formerly Stokely Carmichael of Black Panther fame, speak at Columbia,” Obama wrote in “Dreams,” which he published in 1995. “At the entrance to the auditorium, two women, one black, one Asian, were selling Marxist literature.”

    Obama supporters point out that plenty of Americans flirt with radical ideologies in college, only to join the political mainstream later in life. But Obama, who made a point of noting how “carefully” he chose his friends in college, also chose to launch his political career in the Chicago living room of Ayers, a domestic terrorist who in 2002 proclaimed: “I am a Marxist.”

    Also present at that meeting was Ayers’ wife, fellow terrorist Bernardine Dohrn, who once gave a speech extolling socialism, communism and “Marxism-Leninism.”

    Obama has been widely criticized for choosing the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, an anti-American firebrand, as his pastor. Wright is a purveyor of black liberation theology, which analysts say is based in part on Marxist ideas.

    Few political observers go so far as to accuse Obama, the Democratic presidential nominee, of being a Marxist. But Republican John McCain has been accusing Obama of espousing socialism ever since the Democrat told an Ohio plumber named Joe earlier this month that he wanted to “spread the wealth around.”

    Obama’s running mate, Biden, recently contradicted his boss, saying: “He is not spreading the wealth around.” The remark came as Biden was answering a question from a TV anchor who asked: “How is Senator Obama not being a Marxist if he intends to spread the wealth around?”

    “Are you joking? Is this a joke? Or is that a real question?” an incredulous Biden shot back. “It’s a ridiculous comparison.”

    But the debate intensified Monday with the surfacing of a 2001 radio interview in which Obama lamented the Supreme Court’s inability to enact “redistribution of wealth” — a key tenet of socialism. On Tuesday, McCain said Obama aspires to become “Redistributionist-in-Chief.”

    Obama has managed to cultivate the image of a political moderate in spite of his consistently liberal voting record. In 2006, he published a second memoir, “The Audacity of Hope,” that leaves little doubt about his adherence to the left.

    “The arguments of liberals are more often grounded in reason and fact,” Obama wrote in “Audacity.” “Much of what I absorbed from the sixties was filtered through my mother, who to the end of her life would proudly proclaim herself an unreconstructed liberal.”

    National Journal magazine ranked Obama as the most liberal member of the Senate. The publication is far from conservative, employing such journalists as Linda Douglass, who resigned in May to become Obama’s traveling press secretary.”


  375. 390 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 28, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    CL, gotta love a fake Christian like Wright getting all of his dreams to come true, while telling the folks in his church to avoid middleclassness….


  376. 391 Carolina Lady October 28, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    Ber, they’re gonna avoid the ‘middle class’ with all the money Obama is going to give them. They actually think they are going to get more checks every month.

    I would love to see the faces of some of the Hollywood elite – Streisand, Clooney, Penn, et al – when they are suddenly hit with big new tax bills that will be given to people who don’t want to work. Do they think they have so MUCH money that it won’t matter? Maybe they do, who knows?

    As for taxing businesses: A business doesn’t pay extra taxes. The money that will pay those bigger bills will come from an increase in the price of the goods sold in that business. Guess who is gonna pay that? Millions of people shop at Wal*Mart, me included. Being one of the largest businesses, they will be hit with an enormous tax increase. Higher prices to pay the tax. It’s so simple I don’t understand why people can’t understand that concept.

    It doesn’t work under any circumstances: to pay the tax, higher prices will be charged. To pay the higher prices, you need a bigger income. The numbers change but the plateau is the same. Nobody is better off, except the gov’t by being bigger and having more control over more aspects of more lives. sigh….

    Yep. That is change and ‘hope’ all right. Change for the worse and hope we survive it.


  377. 392 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 28, 2008 at 11:27 pm

    CL, I guess folks just hear the words tax cut….even Dems like the sound of a tax cut nowadays, especially if you can stick it to the (rich)man at the same time…
    And of course Barry’s tax cut is greater than McCain’s…of course, Barry won’t be able to pass along that tax cut…right away. but his fans will understand…
    They may not know or care that he’s never cut taxes before….but now he will…


  378. 393 Gil in Mechanicsville October 29, 2008 at 4:20 am

    Good morning everyone, Power outage here last night beginning around 8PM and lasting until about 3 AM…

    I hate when that happens the same day I load up the freezer.

    On Rev Wright’s new digs… Wow.. did he have a lot of chickens or what? Ya’ll have to remember, he only hated rich white people, nothing wrong with being a rich black person. At least he won’t have to worry about about getting his rewards in Heaven…

    Great inspirational clip CL.. I bookmarked that page to share…


  379. 394 Voice of Raisins October 29, 2008 at 8:43 am

    Gil, maybe Barry was giving some of your electricity to someone who needed it more than you… 😛


  380. 395 Savannah Guy October 29, 2008 at 9:37 am

    I would love to see the faces of some of the Hollywood elite – Streisand, Clooney, Penn, et al – when they are suddenly hit with big new tax bills that will be given to people who don’t want to work.

    CL, we won’t ever see that rare phenomenon. First, we won’t be attending any of Barbara’s political fund-raiser, career- resuscitator concerts, we won’t be traveling to Venezuela to see Sean kneel at the feet of Hugo and we won’t be hanging in the Hollywood nightclubs with gorgeous George.

    Even if we did go there, we’d still not ever see their faces as they got hit with a big tax bill, because it won’t happen. Nope… their millions are safely tucked away in tax-free annuities, real estate, offshore holding companies and other areas of investment that don’t “show a profit” and therefore not taxable. Between dividends and other investments that can be made, through the magic of loopholes and financial shell games, they’ll likely pay but a fraction of what they would have you and I pay.

    They don’t need to pay the same tax rate as you and I because they are already patriotic. They speak out against injustice, so they are contributing their time instead of money. They are the intelligentsia, they are the protectors of the environment, they are the protectors of the lower class. They will scoff at you for driving an SUV as they get into their private jet that burns more in one flight than you will in a year.

    So, you see, we are not the ruling class. They want the door slammed shut on those educated, moral middle class entrepreneurs. There are too few thrones to just hand them out to anyone else. They want to remove as many rungs as possible on the ladder to success. The more power the middle class has, the less power they have. It’s getting too crowded in Hollywood, San Francisco, Washington, New York and Chicago.

    They know what is best for us because they are elite. They believe in helping the unwashed lower class. They cannot stand “middle class” values. Everything they do supports the elimination of the middle class.

    Without the pesky, assertive, bible-thumping, gun-toting middle class riff raff, stirring up trouble, this country would settle into a nice, manageable, two class country… the upper and the lower, rich and poor. The upper promises to always take good care of the lower class. Of course they’ll have our best interests in mind for our nutritional, educational, medical and spiritual needs. Oh, we may have to stand in line for months waiting for an MRI (if we even deserve one), but they will make sure that we are taken care of.

    Everything they do, they do for you. They will eliminate dangerous guns. They will disarm the military because all those people do is invade other countries and murder innocent civilians in nighttime air raids. They will form a more perfect, more agreeable global union. The UN will be strengthened to keep the last vestiges of our imperial government in check.

    They will relieve you of the stress of achievement. They will allow you to live with criminals who deserve a second, third and fourth chance. They will allow you to marry anyone or anything your heart desires. They will allow you the choice of addiction (you’re more malleable that way). They will not kill murderers or terrorists but they will applaud you for killing the unborn.

    They will provide for you by taking your money and spreading it around, giving back the goods and services that you require to survive and just enough for you to be relatively content (and passive)… and they’ll do it in a much smarter way than you or I would.

    They will spread your wealth around in a fair and equitable way. Oh, and they’ll save the planet from your carbon filth and neglect. As they say, they are the compassionate and caring liberals that we should all aspire to be. They give, they care and they want you to know it.

    They are liberal and charitable in ways that we are just too ignorant to understand.


  381. 396 Gil in Mechanicsville October 29, 2008 at 9:39 am

    Well, VEPCO did shut down one of their reactors yesterday… I am going to impose my own blackout tonight between 8 and 8:30


  382. 397 Voice of Raisins October 29, 2008 at 9:40 am

    Pat Buchanan:

    What does the triumvirate of Obama-Pelosi-Reid offer?

    Rep. Barney Frank is calling for new tax hikes on the most successful and a 25 percent across-the-board slash in national defense. Sen. John Kerry is talking up new and massive federal spending, a la FDR’s New Deal. Specifically, we can almost surely expect:

    — Swift amnesty for 12 million to 20 million illegal aliens and a drive to make them citizens and register them, as in the Bill Clinton years. This will mean that Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico and Arizona will soon move out of reach for GOP presidential candidates, as has California.

    — Border security will go on the backburner, and America will have a virtual open border with a Mexico of 110 million.

    — Taxes will be raised on the top 5 percent of wage-earners, who now carry 60 percent of the U.S. income tax burden, and tens of millions of checks will be sent out to the 40 percent of wage-earners who pay no federal income tax. Like the man said, redistribute the wealth, spread it around.

    — Social Security taxes will be raised on the most successful among us, and capital gains taxes will be raised from 15 percent to 20 percent. The Bush tax cuts will be repealed, and death taxes reimposed.

    — Two or three more liberal activists of the Ruth Bader Ginsberg-John Paul Stevens stripe will be named to the Supreme Court. U.S. district and appellate courts will be stacked with “progressives.”

    — Special protections for homosexuals will be written into all civil rights laws, and gays and lesbians in the military will be invited to come out of the closet. “Don’t ask, don’t tell” will be dead.

    — The homosexual marriages that state judges have forced California, Massachusetts and Connecticut to recognize, an Obama Congress or Obama court will require all 50 states to recognize.

    — A “Freedom of Choice Act” nullifying all state restrictions on abortions will be enacted. America will become the most pro-abortion nation on earth.

    — Affirmative action — hiring and promotions based on race, sex and sexual orientation until specified quotas are reached — will be rigorously enforced throughout the U.S. government and private sector.

    — Universal health insurance will be enacted, covering legal and illegal immigrants, providing another powerful magnet for the world to come to America, if necessary by breaching her borders.

    — A federal bailout of states and municipalities to keep state and local governments spending up could come in December or early next year.

    — The first trillion-dollar deficit will be run in the first year of an Obama presidency. It will be the first of many.

    Welcome to Obamaland!

    This may be a bit extreme, but I don’t think it’s too far off. God help us all…


  383. 398 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 29, 2008 at 10:16 am

    Gil, thanks for the email! Cars had style…once. New cars, they all look like variations on the egg…Really nice interiors on new cars though…


  384. 399 Savannah Guy October 29, 2008 at 10:20 am

    Gil, trouble is, the Republicans (whatever that means) have not made the case for capitalism and against socialism. They’ve done a terrible job of articulating the economic issues to the public.

    The uniformed fence-sitters that elect President’s and Congressmen are inclined, like the left, to vote their pocketbook or their own hot-button issue. Be it gay marriage, global warming or any number of self interests from social issues to freedom of choice in abortions.

    The right stays put, the left stays put and the opinionless, rudderless middle is herded like cattle toward the promised land with a message that they can comprehend, a message of hope, or fairness or a chicken in every pot. The “have nots” could care less about fairness and what is good for the country… they’re too busy wanting something for nothing. Those sumpin’ for nuttin’ folks won’t ever learn that each and every time they vote for that they get a big fat nothing, yet they keep hoping for a handout.

    The Dems know what makes these “tweeners” think. They know their hot buttons and they push every one of them. They will dsay anything and promise the moon because they know that the media won’t hold them accountable when they break every promise.

    We are about to find out the IQ and the moral fiber of the nation. I am ever hopeful but not particularly optimistic.


  385. 400 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 29, 2008 at 10:22 am

    Daily Presidential Tracking Poll

    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows Barack Obama attracting 50% of the vote nationwide while John McCain earns 47%. This is the first time McCain has been within three points of Obama in more than a month and the first time his support has topped 46% since September 24 (see trends). One percent (1%) of voters prefer a third-party option and 2% are undecided.


    Folks, it’s not just wishful thinking now, the race is tightening….Of course, the MSM won’t likely mention this, at least for a few days…like on the 5th.
    If they do mention it, it will be on the 30th, or 31st, just in passing as the tell us Obama’s numbers are back up, after spending several million to be on every channel at 8 pm tonight….


  386. 401 Savannah Guy October 29, 2008 at 10:28 am

    From a news source recently, on Nancy Pelosi – Speaker of the House.

    Pelosi’s home district includes San Francisco. Star-Kist Tuna’s headquarters are in San Francisco, Pelosi’s home district.

    Star-Kist is owned by Del Monte Foods and is a major contributor to Pelosi. Star-Kist is the major employer in American Samoa employing 75% of the Samoan workforce. Paul Pelosi, Nancy’s husband, owns $17 million dollars of Star-Kist stock.

    In January, 2007 when the minimum wage was increased from $5.15 to $7.25, Pelosi had American Samoa exempted from the increase so Del Monte would not have to pay the higher wage. This would make Del Monte products less expensive than their competition’s.

    Last week when the huge bailout bill was passed, Pelosi added an earmark to the final bill adding $33 million dollars for an ‘economic development credit in American Samoa’.

    Pelosi has called the Bush Administration ‘corrupt’.


  387. 402 Savannah Guy October 29, 2008 at 10:33 am

    Bear, as election day gets closer, the (semi-legitimate) polls will be closer to accurate so that the pollsters don’t lose all credibility.

    Therefore, watch most polls tighten within 3 points. The corrupt pollsters can only help a candidate so much and then they have to readjust.


  388. 403 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 29, 2008 at 10:45 am

    House Democrats Contemplate Abolishing 401(k) Tax Breaks
    Powerful House Democrats are eyeing proposals to overhaul the nation’s $3 trillion 401(k) system, including the elimination of most of the $80 billion in annual tax breaks that 401(k) investors receive.
    October 16, 2008
    House Democrats Contemplate Abolishing 401(k) Tax Breaks
    Powerful House Democrats are eyeing proposals to overhaul the nation’s $3 trillion 401(k) system, including the elimination of most of the $80 billion in annual tax breaks that 401(k) investors receive.

    House Education and Labor Committee Chairman George Miller, D-California, and Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Washington, chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee’s Subcommittee on Income Security and Family Support, are looking at redirecting those tax breaks to a new system of guaranteed retirement accounts to which all workers would be obliged to contribute.



  389. 404 Gil in Mechanicsville October 29, 2008 at 10:51 am

    Fox is hammering away on the tape held by the LA Times on Barack’s association with a known PLO front man.

    I hate to delve into religion too but things appear to be lining up against the moral majority. Perhaps we are no longer moral or a majority…

    Like Lincoln said, I pray we are on God’s side…

    Yes Ber, my first car was a ’55 Ford Sunliner… A stunner for sure when she was in her prime but perhaps I shall post some tales of my adventures with her as we both got older. They say our first love is the strongest… well, mine was this car and while maybe not the strongest, she was certainly the most memorable..


  390. 405 Savannah Guy October 29, 2008 at 11:25 am

    The “moral majority” must be headed to minority status… if it hasn’t already arrived. The “silent majority” is suffering from being silent and passive too long. And so it goes. Maybe the contrast in choices this year will light a fire under the asses of those who can tell the difference between right and wrong, socialism and capitalism, but choose to let others vote because they think they are too busy to bother with standing in line to vote.

    The Republican party has a bigger tent than ever but there seems to be more elbow room than ever before. George Bush has single-handedly taken the wind out of the sails and removed the rudder and masthead of the Republican party.

    The discombobulated messages of Bush and McCain are not doing the Republican party any good and have led to that much more for the media elite to scoff at. Ideas are important, as are beliefs and actions. If those can’t be communicated, they will fail to attract followers. Dangerous ideas that are presented articulately and powerfully with no regard for truth will trump honesty and purpose. Dangerous relationships, policies and behaviors can be brushed off by pathological liars that are confident and cocky enough to do it… especially when they are comfortable knowing that a subservient and supportive media won’t hold them accountable. It must be intoxicating to be a liar surrounded by other liars that are self-serving in their support for you. The possibilities are limitless when truth and facts can be twisted at will.

    Politicians may not be able to fool all the people all the time, but if 30% are already your minions and 21% of the middlin’ masses buy the lies, it works. That strategy seems to be working just fine so far.

    In the end, whether we as individuals like it, want it or feel we deserve it, America will have the government it deserves.


  391. 406 Savannah Guy October 29, 2008 at 12:18 pm

    There I go… preaching to the choir again, or sumpin’ like that. I’m sure it’s more fun writin’ it than readin’ it, so… pardon my goin’ on and such. Nice to be able to ramble on like I do and get it out of the system from time to time.

    After all, there’s more room our there than there is in here. 😀


  392. 407 Gil in Mechanicsville October 29, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    Well SG… I guess all I can say is Amen… 🙂


  393. 408 Savannah Guy October 29, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    Lord have mercy on a boy from down in the boon docks.

    Trivia question: where did that line come from?

    If you get it right, you win a prize. Double points if you are under 40.


  394. 409 Gil in Mechanicsville October 29, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    Song, Down in the Boondocks, Billy Joe Royal…. Uh.. not under 40


  395. 410 Savannah Guy October 29, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    Gil wins the Grand prize!


  396. 411 Carolina Lady October 29, 2008 at 6:26 pm

    From the MANITOBA HERALD, Canada:
    If Canada closes its borders, what will we do?

    The flood of American liberals sneaking across the border into Canada has
    intensified in the past week, sparking calls for increased
    patrols to stop the illegal immigration.

    The possibility of a McCain/Palin election is prompting the exodus among left-leaning citizens who fear they’ll soon be required to hunt, pray, and agree with Bill O’Reilly.

    Canadian border farmers say it’s not uncommon to see dozens of sociology professors, animal rights activists and Unitarians crossing their fields at night. “I went out to milk the cows the other day, and there was a Hollywood producer huddled in the barn,” said Manitoba farmer Red Greenfield, whose acreage borders North Dakota. “The producer was cold, exhausted and hungry. He asked me if I could spare a latte and some free-range chicken.”

    In an effort to stop the illegal aliens, Greenfield erected higher fences,
    but the liberals scaled them. So he tried installing speakers that blare
    Rush Limbaugh across the fields.

    “Not real effective,” he said. “The liberals still got through, and Rush
    annoyed the cows so much they wouldn’t give milk.”

    Officials are particularly concerned about smugglers who meet liberals near the Canadian border, pack them into Volvo station wagons, drive them across the border and leave them to fend for themselves. “A lot of these people are not prepared for rugged conditions,” an Ontario border patrolman said. “I found one carload without a drop of drinking water. They did have a nice little Napa Valley cabernet, though.”

    When liberals are caught, they’re sent back across the border, often wailing loudly that they fear retribution from conservatives. Rumors have been circulating about the McCain administration establishing
    re-education camps in which liberals will be forced to shoot wolves from
    airplanes, deny evolution, and act out drills preparing them for the

    In recent days, liberals have turned to sometimes-ingenious ways of crossing the border. Some have taken to posing as senior citizens on bus trips to buy cheap Canadian prescription drugs. After catching a half-dozen young vegans disguised in powdered wigs, Canadian immigration authorities began stopping buses and quizzing the supposed senior-citizen passengers on Perry Como and Rosemary Clooney hits to prove they were alive in the ’50s. “If they can’t identify the accordion player on The Lawrence Welk Show, we get suspicious about their age,” an official said.

    Canadian citizens have complained that the illegal immigrants are creating
    an organic-broccoli shortage and renting all the good Susan Sarandon movies.

    “I feel sorry for American liberals, but the Canadian economy just can’t
    support them,” an Ottawa resident said. “How many art-history and English
    majors does one country need?”


  397. 412 Carolina Lady October 29, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    Get a load of these high school kids singing. At the conclusion listen to the high notes on the trumpet, played by a high school kid! One of the fathers recorded it, added some graphic enhancements to the recording, and posted it on the web. The song, of course, is the ” Battle Hymn Of The Republic.” Be prepared – it could send a few shivers up your spine. Click below:




  398. 413 Savannah Guy October 29, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    Manitoba Herald article is a funny.

    McCain’s campaign managers should have thought of the 30 minute TV special. It would be the perfect forum… lots of editing for one who can’t string thoughts together long enough to make a point.

    The problem is, Mac is running a campaign of the 1950’s against a campaign of the 21st century. His campaign managers certainly know all the Perry Como, Rosemary Clooney, Lawrence Welk and Arthur Godfrey stuff but they probably think Google is a kids energy drink and an iPod is something from the original Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

    Tonight it is official: The networks NBC, CBS, ABC, along with MSNBC and assorted other cable channels are bought and owned by the Democratic National Committee. They were just being rented before. Must be part of the new “Ram Policy” designed by Pelosi, Reid and Obama’s people. Immediately upon election, the Dems will “ram” new liberal legislation through the House and Senate before anyone notices.

    Wonder how much the LA Times is getting to sit on the Obama-PLO story?


  399. 414 Savannah Guy October 29, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    Play action:

    Phils go ahead on a bloop hit in the bottom of the 6th. Tampa ties it with a dinger in the top of the 7th. This game is very strange… like a 3 inning WS sudden death.


  400. 415 Gil in Mechanicsville October 29, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    Good stuff CL, satire is always best when it’s so close to the truth. Be careful though, you might soon find yourself being investigated by an Obama Truth Squad… 🙂

    Yes, SG… I get it with Mac’s campaign but little that can be done about it… Except learn from it…. It is frustrating though, why do you think Sarah is so uptight?


  401. 416 Savannah Guy October 29, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    After that last play, the Phils seem destined to win it.


  402. 417 Savannah Guy October 29, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    Blog Domination, made easy.


  403. 418 Savannah Guy October 29, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    Curt Schilling is a man.


  404. 419 Savannah Guy October 29, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    Wonder if the umps were paid to help Phillies?


  405. 420 Savannah Guy October 29, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    Sarah is uptight because she’s the only one that seems to get it.

    McCain seems to think that he will somehow be lifted to office. Sarah may be able to do that… Mac ain’t as heavy to drag as a moose.


  406. 421 Gil in Mechanicsville October 29, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    I avoided Obama’s infomercial by watching O’Rielly… Hey, if I am going to be a republican this year, I may as well do it up right… 🙂


  407. 422 Carolina Lady October 29, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    I think Sarah is frustrated with the management of the campaign. It has been completely bungled.

    But, in spite of EVERYTHING being weighted towards BHO (by hook or crook), McCain is still neck and neck with him. Just think where it would be if even the press had been honest in their reporting.

    God is still in control.

    Did y’all like the kids singing? It absolutely gave me chills and moist eyes.


  408. 423 Carolina Lady October 29, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    I be tarred. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ‘Night!


  409. 424 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 29, 2008 at 10:02 pm

    Phillies have won the Series!!!!


  410. 425 flbravesgirl October 29, 2008 at 11:07 pm

    Bleh. Now those Phils phans will be even more irritating.

    So how are y’all? Much painting has been done here, which is fine since it’s too danged cold to be outside much. We had a few snow flurries yesterday morning. Yes. Snow. In October. Definitely not normal for this area.


  411. 426 flbravesgirl October 29, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    So now can we get on with the Hot Stove League? Mr. Wren, start your cellphone.


  412. 427 Voice of Raisins October 30, 2008 at 12:06 am

    We had a few snow flurries yesterday morning. Yes. Snow. In October.

    It’s that darned global warming again. 🙄


  413. 428 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 30, 2008 at 12:17 am

    Honestly, it didn’t bother me to see the Phillies win. NL can compete with the AL. The Team that beat Boston, was beaten in 5 games!
    Phillies players are not stuck up, I am happy for Lidge to finally be able to put Fat Albert’s blast behind him once and for all. I thought the phillies had made a big mistake in getting him to be a closer. Shows what I know!
    And, 27 years is a long time between championships….


  414. 429 Gil in Mechanicsville October 30, 2008 at 3:46 am

    CL.. I am afraid I must ask equal time for Dixie now… 🙂

    Well, Phillies win, shall we be able to suffer phools gladly?

    And speaking of phools… I am so reminded of all those who fall for the chosen one’s line that he is trying to save the middle class…

    And finally baseball season is over, we can now look forward to spring training… And FBG looks forward to snow…. yes change is coming… I can only pray we will be able to change back…


  415. 430 Voice of Raisins October 30, 2008 at 9:24 am

    I’m afraid change is all I’ll have left in my pocket at the end of the month…


  416. 432 Gil in Mechanicsville October 30, 2008 at 9:54 am

    Yee Hawww!!!


  417. 433 Gil in Mechanicsville October 30, 2008 at 9:57 am

    Setting here trying to decide whether to waste the day and do nothing or go outside where it is cold and vacuum the yard to get up the ten bales of pine tags which have blown off the trees recently.


  418. 434 Savannah Guy October 30, 2008 at 10:06 am

    Palin was selected as VP and before the ink was dry a dubious Alaskan gold rush immediately ensued to put her life under a microscope to find a spec of dirt and discredit her with it. Legal action over the trash-tazer cop and personal attacks about her pregnant, unmarried daughter were the result.

    Joe the Plumber gets ridiculed by the press and mocked by Obama and Biden after asking a question that backfired on Obama. “Investigators” are going through the mans trash. The unions are after him. This must be what they mean by “spreading the wealth around”.

    Contrast that with an ex-President that was a liar, cheat and sex predator who threatened and hit women… a President that decimated the military, lowered the screen of national security and pardoned criminals and terrorists while being propped up by the media and his party through an impeachment. Throughout the national debacle, the media fawned all over him.

    Contrast that with a complete free pass for a political candidate that has mysterious ties and relationships with known American and Palestinian terrorists, racist ministers, communist mentors and serious involvement with a fraudulent “community” organization… a candidate that hasn’t even proven he’s an American citizen… and the “liberal” press won’t even question the man. Further, they withhold evidence that could shed light on his relationship with another “neighbor”, spokesman for the PLO.

    And we worry what an Obama presidency and a Dem super-majority might bring? This yellow journalism and red government intervention into our personal lives, where if no laws were broken and no legal action can be taken against the enemy (us), personal attacks and character assassination ensues. We do know what happens when liberal, malleable media and a fascist/socialist political party join forces.

    Reminds me of a science fiction movie I’ve seen or a book I’ve read… or maybe a compilation of them. Aldous Huxley, Ray Bradbury and a host of others who warned of “Big Brothers”, Brave New Worlds, book burnings, information control, speech control and the gradual numbing of society through fear, indoctrination and promises of welfare for all.

    And some still believe that these things only happen in books and movies.


  419. 435 Carolina Lady October 30, 2008 at 10:45 am

    You sure got that right, SG!


  420. 437 Berigan ll, the worm turns October 30, 2008 at 11:02 am

    Yep, he sure did….Might not be able to say that down the road…hate speech and all that….remember what Obama was trying to do in Missouri ?? Having law officials (The Truth squad)look into ads about the Chosen one???


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