62: Uh – Did Somebody Break Wind, part III

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Gil in Mechanicsville

Okay, continuing on with the theme of “Pitching, Pitching, Pitching,” I thought I would toss in my two cents on the 2009 Braves prospects for the bullpen.

Once upon-a-time, the bullpen was a place where you banished hurlers who were either washed up or just not good enough to be a starter. Boy, have times changed. Today, starters go five or six innings or one hundred pitches or their arm falls off, whichever comes first and then the specialists are called upon. A long relief guy, a situational guy for lefties, a ground ball specialist when a double play is needed, a set up guy, the closer and the ever present “why is this guy still on the team because no one ever calls on him” guy.

Just like the real “journalists” do, I will work backwards and start with the closer. You know who that is because he is the fellow who gets most of the press and contrary to popular notion, cannot walk on water but he doesn’t need to because it never rains on his parade.

Closer possibilities for Atlanta in 2009…. (disclaimer: things can change in a hurry due to the need to trade a player for a part you do not already have or doing something stupid like putting their hand in a meat grinder or enjoying the good life a little too much and showing up stoned….)

Mike “Gonzo” Gonzalez, this kid is going to be a great one because he thinks he is suppose to be. (The antithesis of Manny Acosta) After experiencing Tommy John surgery, he made a nice recovery. Not to say there weren’t some dicey moments but just because you comeback, it does not mean you can pitch to the same level you could before you were hurt. Velocity or lack there of appears to be the most telling sign there is something wrong. The up side of all this is Gonzo will be better in 2009. He will be stronger and his fastball should return to it’s 98 mph range. The best side of all this however is the knowledge he may have gained in finding out he does not have to throw it all that hard to get hitters out. Of course I am still waiting for someone to call a balk on him with all that rocking motion.

Actually, I worry more about the Rafael (see, I told you I was hurt) Soriano, I doubt anyone took more heat than Rafael did last year over his on again off again soap opera but mostly about his supposed lack of courage because repeated MRIs failed to show any cause for his loss of speed and recurring pain. After signing a lucrative contract prior to the 2008 season, much was expected of “Mr. Sunshine”. For those of you who believe in the absolute infallibility of the medical profession I have two words, Mark Wohlers. Wohlers was vilified for his seemingly unexplainable loss of control. It was not until the Reds took a flier on him that he decided to allow for an exploratory surgery and discovered he indeed have a serious problem. Soriano had an exploratory performed by Dr. Andrews and a pinched nerved was discovered and corrected. I predict next spring Rafael will again impress the Braves Nation and remind everyone why he was paid closer money.

John Smoltz will be at a crossroads next spring. While his spirit is willing, his body may not be. The surgery performed on his shoulder does not have a track record of affording good results. The main reason is the tissues that comprise the labium are not conducive to surgical repair. It would be great to have thunder and lightning available to come out of the bullpen in 2009 but I would not bet the house on it, even though the a fore mentioned house has decidedly less market value to everyone except the tax assessor. If John does return, I predict it will be late in the spring before he believes he is ready. I would expect it will be much later in the season before he could be effective. As Braves fans we can hope but the obese woman may be warming up in the wings for the curtain call of the bearded icon.

Will Ohman will most certainly be pitching for someone else next season? Not because he was ineffective last season but because the Braves will not want to pay a set up man more than a couple of million a year. Perhaps the Braves will concede the fact a reliable lefty out of the pen is a valuable piece needed if they are to be serious about beating the Phillies and the Mets in their own division next year. I don’t foresee either of those clubs being weaker next year. Sometimes a GM has to bite the bullet and realize the cost of doing business is greater than you want it to be. I don’t see anyone else on the horizon who could fill Will Ohman’s role as effectively whatever the price.

Blaine Boyer is not my favorite Brave. I hope he can change my mind next season. I cannot put my finger on why I have lost faith in the strapping young righty who burst on the scene with such promise with the rest of the baby braves. Perhaps it’s Bobby’s perchance for using a pitcher until his arm falls off and then being surprised at the drop in performance. I had the opportunity observe Blaine on numerous occasions while with the Richmond club and if I could figure him out I would send him a telegram to advise him I was holding his career hostage. Perhaps a change in scenery would help, after all, he has all the tools to be a great reliever. He just has not mastered his Zen.

I will conclude my assessment on the Braves potential 2009 relief corps in part four.


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466 Responses to “62: Uh – Did Somebody Break Wind, part III”

  1. 1 Carolina Lady November 6, 2008 at 9:58 pm

    Excellent, Gil! I always enjoy reading your perspective and analysis. Got a great ‘eye’! MANY THANKS!


  2. 2 flbravesgirl November 6, 2008 at 11:40 pm

    Great as always, Gil! Still think you should be hired as an evaluator.


  3. 3 flbravesgirl November 6, 2008 at 11:54 pm

    So… over the past couple of days we decorated for Christmas. Yes, you read that right & no, we are not insane. We thought that last Christmas was going to be our last one here in Florida. So we packed everything up & took it Tiger (where we have this great storage room). Now we do Christmas big in this family so that was several SUV-loads of decorations. Then it became clear we would be here for this Christmas, therefore some things needed to be brought back. So this trip we brought home a smallish tree & ornaments/lights/skirt/angel, front door wreath, stockings & holders, table centerpiece. Tues. afternoon Dad said “instead of having these boxes sit around for a month, why not just pull everything out & decorate? ”

    Now he’s really off & running with this early Christmas thing. Tonight he insisted we check our stockings. Disney passes!!!!!! 😀 😀 😀


  4. 4 Gil in Mechanicsville November 7, 2008 at 9:28 am

    Good morning all, big day today for me. Josie and I are headed to Urbana for the Oyster Festival today. Boy, do I love oyster fritters…

    FBG. Josie and I are going to start with our decorating this coming week. It takes about 3 days to put up all the outside lights. We found using the front end loader on the tractor to be a real time saver. Saves from having to move a ladder a bazillion times.

    Big sale (auction) to go to tomorrow morning. On person’s pain is another person’s gain I always say….


  5. 5 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 7, 2008 at 9:41 am

    Gil, as Mr. Burns might say…..exxxxxxxcellllent!

    As Braves fans we can hope but the obese woman may be warming up in the wings for the curtain call of the bearded icon.
    Funny! 😀 Sad, but funny.
    I am sure you are right about the Mutts and Phils not being any weaker(Unless Oliver Perez signs elsewhere-He’s one Borass client I’d love to see get a long contract-say for an AL west team! :mrgreen: )
    We can’t coast any more. Marlins might just be better because they are older, and that Maybin kid looks to be the real deal. What if the Nats open their pocket books and get say Adam Dunn and a decent starter??? Their starters may have sucked last year, but Ryan Zimmerman , Cristian Guzman , Willy Mo Pena(Who apparently was hurt all year, as is still only 26) Elijah Dukes(A #1 jerk, but talented for sure) are a decent core to work around. Don’t know how much talent they have in the minors…
    Anyway, they probably aren’t going to lose 100 games next year, and they always seem to play us tough….


  6. 6 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 7, 2008 at 9:46 am

    FLB, I do think you guys are insane! 😛
    Seriously, that is a bit bent, but cool!
    Since Mom died, I have to take the lead in buying a tree(If I waited for him, we wouldn’t have one)getting stuff brought down, and put up(Well, Dad does help with decorating the tree)
    Perhaps this year, I will try to actually do something the Day after Thanksgiving.
    Plus, we have a seem to have a permanent house guest, and I know he ain’t crazy about Christmas. Oh, it’s fun being me! 😕


  7. 7 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 7, 2008 at 9:53 am

    Toss in Jo-Jo and Chucky to “sweeten” the deal! 🙄
    Jake Peavy Rumors: Friday
    By Tim Dierkes [November 7, 2008 at 8:19am CST]

    According to Yahoo’s Jeff Passan, the Cubs have moved in front of the Braves in the battle for Jake Peavy. Passan says the Padres want Jeff Samardzija (who has a limited no-trade clause), and the Cubs could also include players such as Felix Pie, Sean Marshall, Ronny Cedeno, Kevin Hart, and Donald Veal. The Padres would prefer a deal with Atlanta, but can’t pry Tommy Hanson loose. The Braves are willing to trade Yunel Escobar, Charlie Morton, and Jordan Schafer.

    Meanwhile, Tom Krasovic at the San Diego Union-Tribune says Peavy and Barry Axelrod are concerned about the Braves’ shortstop situation if they are to include the defensively-talented Escobar. Perhaps the Braves could sway them by outlining some contingency plans at the position.



  8. 8 Voice of Raisins November 7, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    Some interesting tidbits from Scott Miller at CBS Sports:

    • One source said Thursday that the Braves are the frontrunners and have told the Padres that they will include outfielder Gorkys Hernandez.

    • Kevin Towers met with Barry Axelrod, Peavy’s agent, late Wednesday night and indicated that his client could be on the move soon.

    • Investigating several different avenues to improve their rotation, the Atlanta Braves, in addition to talking trade with San Diego for Jake Peavy, also have approached the Florida Marlins about left-hander Scott Olsen (8-11, 4.20 ERA in 33 starts in 2008). Texas also is believed to have inquired about Olsen, who is eligible for arbitration this winter.


  9. 9 Salty November 7, 2008 at 4:48 pm

    Olsen could be a ‘diamond in the rough’, instead of being ‘rough on the diamond’, as he’s been too often for the Marlins! :mrgreen: He has the talent, but needs big-time help b’twixt the ears!


  10. 10 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 7, 2008 at 5:26 pm

    Remember when a 4.20 ERA was considered bad??? Shoot, looks perfectly good to me know…


  11. 11 bluestatebrave November 7, 2008 at 6:12 pm

    Just what did the exploratory surgery/serious problem with Mark Wohlers reveal? Not being nosy, it’s just that I have a web page (Mark Wohlers Obsession Page) that gets a lot of questions of what Mark is up to these days, and I had heard nothing.


  12. 12 Gil in Mechanicsville November 7, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    The Miami Dade police said Olson had electric stuff.. or was that he is an electric stiff after being tazered… I forget.. Same but different..

    Anyway, great time today, music, boats, oysters, not all it that order. And a perfect day weather wise too. Just a wonderful and idyllic town that knows how to party….


  13. 13 Gil in Mechanicsville November 7, 2008 at 6:20 pm

    Mark Wohlers had Tommy John surgery. His problem was atypical because he never experienced any pain. Just suddenly was unable to control his pitches. MRIs did not reveal any problems. He had some limited success after he tried to come back but never regained his mojo..


  14. 14 Gil in Mechanicsville November 7, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    And oh by the way… Welcome… 🙂


  15. 15 flbravesgirl November 8, 2008 at 12:17 am

    Welcome, BSB!

    Interesting about Olsen, VOR. I wouldn’t have considered him “Braves’ material” but maybe they think they can straighten him out.

    Ber, just so you know… Mom, Melissa & I ran a few errands this evening & spotted 5 houses with Christmas lights on already.


  16. 16 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 8, 2008 at 7:46 am

    FLB, that’s funny! I always get a kick out of folks that leave the lights up way past New Year’s. Houses do look pretty pedestrian after the lights come down. Of course, we leave our tree up past New Years for the same reason. That, and we’re lazy!


  17. 17 Savannah Guy November 8, 2008 at 8:10 am

    Another very fine, journalist-like lead, Gil. Any post that contains, uh, flatulence in the beginning and Zen in the end is bound to be good stuff.

    … the ever present “why is this guy still on the team because no one ever calls on him” guy.

    Ever notice those old, tattered loafers Bobby wears? He’s probably got two brand new pairs just like’em in his closet that haven’t ever been taken out of the box. Must be a familiarity, comfort thing… until the heel falls off.

    Hope we keep Ohman.


  18. 18 Carolina Lady November 8, 2008 at 9:26 am

    Peavy still concerned about Braves

    Over the past couple of weeks, Jake Peavy has told friends that he’s intrigued about the possibility of pitching in Atlanta and concerned about the Braves chances to win. Now through his agent, he’s publicly voiced his concern about approving a trade to Atlanta, if it means the Braves have to give up shortstop Yunel Escobar.

    “Escobar’s a pretty good player,” Peavy’s agent Barry Axelrod told The San Diego Union-Tribune. “To be honest, Jake and I have said, ‘If that kind of trade gets made, who plays short for them?'”

    This is a legitimate question as the Braves would almost certainly have to go outside their organization to find a replacement. But if they include Escobar in this deal for Peavy, they would likely pursue two of their former employees, Rafael Furcal or Edgar Renteria, on the free agent market. In addition, they could make a push toward acquiring Jack Wilson or Julio Lugo via trade.

    If Peavy approves a trade to the Braves, Atlanta could become an even more desirable destination for free agents like A.J. Burnett, Derek Lowe and Ryan Dempster. Braves GM Frank Wren would like nothing more than to acquire Peavy and also sign one of these free agent starters.

    – Mark Bowman


  19. 19 Carolina Lady November 8, 2008 at 9:28 am

    ATLANTA — The Braves have added Dominic “Dom” Chiti as a special assistant to the general manager.
    Braves GM Frank Wren made the announcement on Friday afternoon. Chiti, 49, has spent the past six seasons with the Rangers, including the past three as their Major League bullpen coach.

    “Dom brings a wealth of knowledge and expertise, which complements our already strong staff of special assistants,” Wren said.

    Chiti began his baseball operations career in 1989, when he began a 12-season stint with the Indians. While with Cleveland, he served as an advance scout, Triple-A pitching coach and Minor League roving instructor.

    The Rangers hired Chiti as a special assistant to the general manager in 2002 and he performed in that capacity for two seasons. He became the club’s director of player personnel in July 2004 and remained in that role until becoming the big league bullpen coach in 2006.

    Chiti was selected by the Braves in the second round of the 1976 Draft and remained in the organization’s farm system through the 1980 season. The former left-handed pitcher never advanced above the Double-A level.

    The Braves also employ Dick Balderson, Tim Conroy, Tony DeMacio, Jim Fregosi, Duane Larson and Chuck McMichael as special assistants to the general manager.

    Gil, you oughta apply for one of those jobs!


  20. 20 Carolina Lady November 8, 2008 at 9:39 am

    Shortstops – from an article by Mike Scarr (mlb.com)
    Cabrera: Type A; .281, 33 doubles, 57 RBIs, 16 E; Service time: 10+ years; Last contract: 4 years, $32 million; Played for: Expos, Red Sox, Angels and White Sox.
    Comment: Solid all-around shortstop who tends to be overshadowed by flashier players. Cabrera hit .293 as the White Sox leadoff hitter.

    Renteria: Type A; .270, 22 doubles, 55 RBIs, 16 E; Service time: 12+ years; Last contract: 4 years, $40 million (2009 option declined); Played for: Marlins, Cardinals, Red Sox, Braves and Tigers.
    Comment: Renteria played in only his second season in the AL in his career in 2008 after coming over from the Braves in a trade for Jair Jurrjens. His year at the plate was better than the one he had in the field.

    Furcal: Unrated; .357, 12 doubles, 16 RBIs, 4 E; Service time: 9 years; Last contract: 3 year, $39 million; Played for: Braves and Dodgers.
    Comment: Lower back problems that required surgery limited Furcal to 34 games, but he was en route to his best offensive year before going on the DL in early May. He returned late in the season.

    Vizquel: Unrated; .222, 10 doubles, 23 RBIs, 2 E; Service time: 19+ years; Last contract: 1 year, $5.3 million (2009 option declined); Played for: Mariners, Indians and Giants.
    Comment: Vizquel will be 42 next April, he had left knee trouble in spring and his offense has declined over two straight years. But he’s the owner of 11 Gold Gloves, second only to Ozzie Smith’s 13 for shortstops.

    On the market
    Juan Castro (Orioles), Alex Cintron (Orioles), Alex Cora (Red Sox), Craig Counsell (Brewers, has 2009 option), David Eckstein (Diamondbacks), Adam Everett (Twins), Jerry Hairston (Reds), Cesar Izturis (Cardinals), Nick Punto (Twins), Luis Rivas (Pirates).

    Ready to buy
    • Toronto needs a leadoff hitter and could chase a shortstop like Cabrera or Furcal to replace Marco Scutaro.

    • St. Louis has no plans to re-sign Izturis, which opens a hole at shortstop. In fact, the middle of the infield could need a facelift if the Cards decide to deal Adam Kennedy.

    • Shortstop is just one of the holes the Dodgers will need to fill. The club may attempt to re-sign Furcal, but that depends on what other high-priced free agents it targets.

    • Baltimore couldn’t find a decent starter among a quartet of shortstops last season and with a void at the position in the organization, the Orioles will be looking.

    • For Pittsburgh, it all depends if it finds the right deal for Jack Wilson. If that is the case, the Pirates will likely look for a bargain.

    Window shopping
    Cincinnati, Detroit, Oakland and San Diego

    2010 class
    Counsell (if ’09 option is picked up), Bobby Crosby (A’s), Alex Gonzalez (Reds, has 2010 option), Khalil Greene (Padres), John McDonald (Blue Jays), Scutaro (Blue Jays), Miguel Tejada (Astros) and Wilson (Pirates, has 2010 option)


  21. 21 Gil in Mechanicsville November 8, 2008 at 10:01 am

    I think it to be much more likely the Braves would try to include Kelly in a package to San Diego for Peavy because they are deeper at second than short. If Lillibridge could somehow regain the magic he displayed playing short for Richmond in 2006 and could get confidence in his swing back, people would forget Ecobar in short order. I bet the Brave still wish they had Tony Pena Jr. but then you do have to have somebody that can supply some measure of offense.

    One thing for sure, with the Braves you definitely need to buy a new program each year to keep up with the ever changing roster. Come to think of it, for the past couple of years you needed a new program every week.

    Even in Richmond, over the past couple of years they have made around 150 roster moves each season. Gives credence to the use of pencils rather than pens by the Braves’ coaching staff.


  22. 22 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 8, 2008 at 10:04 am

    Man, Peavy is just weird. We will have to give up something to get him, doesn’t he understand that??? He is afraid to play in the AL, is he really what we want???
    Infante could do the job I am sure. Will turn 27 in December. Or we could get Lugo, which let me tell you, is terrible. I think it goes beyond the Boston factor. He does have speed…but….


  23. 23 Voice of Raisins November 8, 2008 at 10:38 am

    I think of you go back over the history of the Braves under Bobby Cox, you will see that he places a high priority on shortstop. There is no way they trade Yunel without a clear plan. There is no way the Pads make the deal without Yunel as the centerpiece since Hanson is untouchable. I think it’ll get done with Yunel, GHernandez, Morton, Locke and maybe another lesser prospect. Which will thrust us into the SS market. Interesting that Towers says Greene will not be a part of the Peavy deal.

    Orlando Cabrera doesn’t sound like a bad alternative. He is kind of the Edgar of 2009, and a leadoff option. David Eckstein is a BC kinda player… gritty and all business. I wonder how much Furcal will get given his recent injury woes..? I doubt Frank would dig that deep into Liberty’s pockets for a SS.


  24. 24 Voice of Raisins November 8, 2008 at 10:44 am

    If Frank can pull the deal off with KJ instead of Yunel, he is automatically the NL executive of the year. Given that SD has no 2B in place, it could happen. It’ll cost more in the balance of the players, though. Would you give up KJ, GHernandez, Morton, Locke and Flowers? That’s a Tex-like deal. That’s a hefty price. That’s the cost of an ace, though. I’m glad I’m not the GM…


  25. 25 Voice of Raisins November 8, 2008 at 10:59 am

    I still think it’ll get done with Yunel as the centerpiece. I think it’ll get done before the open season on FA’s starts on the 15th as both teams need to know what they have before the silly season begins. Get ready to speculate on SS…


  26. 26 Voice of Raisins November 8, 2008 at 11:26 am

    Did I mention that both Cabrera and Eckstein have played on WS teams?


  27. 27 Voice of Raisins November 8, 2008 at 11:29 am

    If the Cubs wiff on Peavy, they’ll most certainly turn their full attention on resigning Dempster. And if the Braves do acquire him, I think they’ll drop back a notch from the Lowe/Burnett/Dempster tier anyway. That is pretty evident by their interest in Scott Olsen. Olsen wouldn’t be a bad pickup if they didn’t have to give up too much. The Marlins want a catcher and bullpen help. No way do I give up Flowers for Olsen.


  28. 28 Voice of Raisins November 8, 2008 at 11:39 am

    As for the next “tier pitcher”, FA’s might be Braden Looper or Paul Byrd. Neither is a bad option if you resign Hampton. You’d have a rotation of Peavy, Looper/Byrd/Olsen, Jurjjens, Hampton and Hanson (Yes, I think he’ll make the jump to #5 starter. If the Braves are so enamored as to make him untouchable for Peavy, he’ll have a shot). That’s not so bad. In 2010 you’d Peavy, Hudson, Jurjjens, Hanson, and Looper/Byrd/Olsen. That’s pretty darn good.


  29. 29 Voice of Raisins November 8, 2008 at 11:44 am

    2009 lineup:

    Orlando Cabrera
    Raul Ibanez

    That’s not so bad. Schafer and Cabrera could be interchangeable. As with 2008, alot will turn on the successes/struggles of KJ and Frenchbraid.


  30. 30 Voice of Raisins November 8, 2008 at 11:51 am

    Nick Punto is a switch-hitting SS that lead off 59 games for the Twins in 2008. He had an overall .344 OBP. Cabrera’s OPB was .334, Eckstein’s .354.

    Just sayin’…


  31. 31 Voice of Raisins November 8, 2008 at 11:54 am

    Actually, looking at his #’s, Punto is more of a utility kinda guy, ala Omar Infante.


  32. 32 Voice of Raisins November 8, 2008 at 11:57 am

    Cabrera: Solid all-around shortstop who tends to be overshadowed by flashier players. Cabrera hit .293 as the White Sox leadoff hitter.

    I’m sold.

    Frank? Call Towers, call Cabrera’s agent. Let’s get to work, here. Chop, chop!


  33. 33 Voice of Raisins November 8, 2008 at 11:59 am

    Hello? tap tap… Is this mic on?

    cricket… cricket…



  34. 34 Gil in Mechanicsville November 8, 2008 at 12:56 pm



  35. 35 Gil in Mechanicsville November 8, 2008 at 1:05 pm

    I needed to do my foraging this morning so I went to Krogers.

    Now, more baseball… We need to keep in mind that last year we would have been a much different team were it not for the repeated failures of the French Connection (or lack of) in key situations. There were so many opportunities lost it just boggles the mind.

    That said, Escobar had a down year (injuries) and Kelly J. had a book end season at the plate.

    That said, the real problem was still pitching….

    I would still much rather go the free agent route and not feel like the farm is being mortgaged to the hilt.

    Someone asked about the Nationals farm system to other day… They are stockpiling some nice talent in the lower minors. Most are still about one ore two seasons away but look out around 2010 or 2011.

    If the Marlins are looking for a catcher, maybe Sammons would fit into their plans. Do the Marlins really need another big bat in their line up?


  36. 36 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 8, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    I wonder a bit about Cabrera…he and Renteria HATE each other. They are both from the same small town, but it seems hard to imagine anyone hating Edgar. And why did he wear out his welcome in Chicago in one year??? Can you imagine us trading a starter for one year of a ss like the White Sox did???? Though, I can imagine Senor Temper could get on anyone’s nerves….

    Now Eckstein, he’s scrappy! Like V said, has been on WS champion team. Plays right. I was surprised to see his numbers. I was thinking, I could handle him hitting 250,260 and being able to bunt, move runners over(Who on the team now can do that consistently?), etc… well, he hit .265 last year, but has a .284 career BA!!!I’d take that!


  37. 37 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 8, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    From MLB trade rumors…

    Joe Christensen has an update on the Twins’ search for help on the left side of the infield. Minnesota is one of seven teams interested in Casey Blake, according to Blake’s agent Jim McDowell.

    Blake hit .274/.345/.463 last year for the Indians and Dodgers this year. He’s been released twice by the Twins, but he could come back to stabilize their third base situation.

    Christensen has sources who suggest that the Twins are also targeting Yunel Escobar and J.J. Hardy in trades. If no deal is made, they could re-sign Nick Punto, who played 61 games at shortstop in 2008.

    The Twins are also interested in trading for Garrett Atkins, who’s six years younger than Blake.



  38. 38 flbravesgirl November 8, 2008 at 11:04 pm

    Major blog domination by VOR today.

    We’re headed over to Disney in the morning. Just to spend the day & get our passes set up ( you have to show Florida ID, fill out a little form, get the card made with your name on it, etc. One time the cards even had our pictures on them).


  39. 39 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 8, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    When I was a kid, you just gave them a nickle, a dime for a weekend pass! 😕


  40. 40 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 9, 2008 at 11:49 am

    12 short hours later….good blod domination everyone!!!!!


  41. 41 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 9, 2008 at 11:49 am

    cat on lap typing with one hand…..


  42. 42 Gil in Mechanicsville November 9, 2008 at 11:57 am

    Good afternoon all, amazingly, I actually got a good night’s sleep for a change. Awoke at 11 AM. Now, if I could just figure out how I did it.


  43. 43 Carolina Lady November 9, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    Burnett opts out of Jays contract Story

    By Jon Heyman, SI.com

    DANA POINT, Calif. — Toronto Blue Jays right-hander A.J. Burnett has filed paperwork to opt out of the final two years of his contract.

    Burnett’s agent, Darek Braunecker, gave the Blue Jays a final chance to re-sign him in a meeting on Tuesday. Toronto will still try to sign the right-hander on the open market.

    As a free agent, Burnett is expected to draw major interest from the Yankees, Red Sox, Orioles and possibly even the Nationals, among others.

    Burnett had an option to vacate the remaining two years on his five-year, $55-million Blue Jays contract. He went 18-10 with a 4.07 ERA and 231 strikeouts with Toronto and should command a salary of $15 million or more annually. The Blue Jays had been on the hook to pay Burnett $12 million per season over the next two years.

    Braunecker disputed the notion that Burnett would prefer not to play in New York. “That perception couldn’t be further from the truth,” said the agent.


  44. 44 Carolina Lady November 9, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    from AP

    NEW YORK (AP) — Record-setting closer Francisco Rodriguez and shortstops Rafael Furcal, Omar Vizquel and Edgar Renteria were among 19 players who filed for free agency Monday.

    Pitchers Brandon Lyon and Paul Byrd also joined the list. Of the 179 players eligible for free agency, 149 have filed.

    Rodriguez went 62-for-69 on save chances for the Los Angeles Angels, breaking the record of 57 saves set by Bobby Thigpen in 1990. K-Rod was 2-3 with a 2.24 ERA for the only team in the majors to win 100 games.


  45. 45 Carolina Lady November 9, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    also from AP

    Peavy adds Yankees, Angels to trade list

    By Jon Heyman, SI.com

    DANA POINT, Calif. — Although five National League teams still top star Padres pitcher Jake Peavy’s pre-approved list for trades, general manager Kevin Towers revealed Monday evening that the Angels and Yankees have recently been added to the list of desired teams, bringing the list to seven and giving the American League some representation.

    Towers said that the five NL teams — the Braves, Cubs, Dodgers, Cardinals and Astros — remain Peavy’s preferred destinations, but Towers said Peavy also expressed a willingness to consider the Angels and Yankees should it be impossible for Towers to find an equitable deal with one of the NL clubs he likes.

    Peavy’s agent, Barry Axelrod, said in a recent interview with SI.com that his client has some good feelings about the Yankees. “What kid doesn’t grow up dreaming of wearing the pinstripes?” Axelrod said. Yet, for geographic reasons the Yankees remain below the five NL teams on Peavy’s list, and perhaps also the Angels, who have a distinct advantage in that they are the nearest team to Peavy’s new home in San Diego.

    According to Towers, Peavy has put the teams in some sort of order. But the GM declined to reveal that order.

    Towers has done a lot of talking to the Braves, but without a deal in sight, is beginning to talk to the other NL teams now, and doesn’t rule out the Dodgers based on their intra-division rivalry. “The Dodgers are high on his list, so I plan on talking to them,” Towers said.

    The price tag will be high, no matter who’s inquiring, Towers said. “Whoever we talk to is going to have to pay a lot,” Towers said.

    The Padres are embarking on a rebuilding program, and Peavy was surprised to learn his team wants to explore trade possibilities for its ace less than a year after signing him to a three-year, $53 million extension. Peavy’s no-trade clause for this year and next protects him but complicates the trade talks. Axelrod said in the recent interview that they will request a new no-trade clause in exchange for approving a trade, and might also request financial considerations, depending upon the acquiring team and the geography involved.


  46. 46 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 9, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    CL, interesting that Peavy would be willing to go to Yankees or Angels! Heard he didn’t want to go to the Red Sox….small park??? He’s a sinker ball guy….not really an issue.


  47. 47 Voice of Raisins November 9, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    Peavy, or rather his agent Barry Axelrod, added the 2 teams with the most cash to drive the market higher and increase the return for his good friend and former client Kevin Towers. Agents are sleazy. Wren should tell Towers he has 72 hours to take his final offer and be done.

    I was much more into the trade scenario before the game playing started. I say screw it and go buy some FA’s.


  48. 48 Voice of Raisins November 9, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    The longer this goes along, the more you can see the duo of Towers/Axelrod trying to manipulate the system. I hope they get burned by their deceipt.


  49. 49 Voice of Raisins November 9, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    In fact… I say forget it. Let’s call St. Louis, consumate the KJ for Ludwick trade, dealing from a position of greater surplus, insert Prado at 2B, sign Lowe and Looper, and resign Hampton, Ohman and Norton.



    Smoltz (yes, Smoltz)



  50. 50 Gil in Mechanicsville November 9, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    Yep. Classic example of trying to time the market… As good as Peavy might be, folks should remember that the Padres had him the last couple of years and they didn’t make the playoffs either. I have been touting the free agent route myself. I think the Braves should get a good idea of what it will take to sign Hampton and count on some of their own talent. I still think Kelly Johnson is easier to replace than Escobar. Who is doing what in the winter leagues?


  51. 51 Voice of Raisins November 9, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    You’re right, Gil. Peavy would only be the starting point. And the longer Wren dances around with SD, the more difficult the overall task becomes.


  52. 52 Gil in Mechanicsville November 9, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    Lot’s of folks have forgotten that the Braves began their run with mostly home grown talent. Maddux was a free agent so JS did not have to give up the farm.

    A lot of these agents try to create a sense of urgency by acting like someone else will make the deal. As I got older, I came to realize the ploy and I try to remember the advice my father gave me about such things. He said buying is easy, it’s selling that’s hard….


  53. 53 Carolina Lady November 9, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    Raisins, I agree with the 72-hr deadline. Take it or leave it. We’re movin’ on!
    I have little patience for greed! But y’all never noticed that, didja? 😆


  54. 54 Carolina Lady November 9, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    Frankly, I’m tired of the super-dudes who come to ATL for big $$ and fall on their collective faces or DL.


  55. 55 Carolina Lady November 9, 2008 at 5:32 pm

    Berigan, your in-coming email is not working. Everything is being kicked back by Mail Administrator as ‘unknown.’


  56. 56 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 9, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    CL, I got your 2 emails at 3 pm, will respond when I don’t have 2 other people in the living room, and the tv…me not think to good that way! 😀
    It’s stupid AT&T’s problem.why my email address changes on reply’s is beyond me!!!


  57. 57 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 9, 2008 at 7:00 pm

    And V, I like that team, and the 72 hour window….


  58. 58 Carolina Lady November 9, 2008 at 9:37 pm


    tumbleweed rolls by


  59. 59 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 9, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    Tumbleweeds chirp here????


  60. 60 Carolina Lady November 9, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    yeah. It’s kinda strange…..


  61. 61 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 9, 2008 at 11:04 pm



  62. 62 Voice of Raisins November 9, 2008 at 11:10 pm



  63. 63 flbravesgirl November 9, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    Don’t you see the rare tumble-finches nesting in there, Ber? 😉

    Gorgeous fabulous wonderful day at Disney. We couldn’t have asked for better weather. They’ve streamlined the process of getting the passes too (year-long FL resident passes, not weekend).


  64. 64 flbravesgirl November 9, 2008 at 11:14 pm

    Wake up, VOR!!!!

    If any of you ever go to Disney, a word of advice: buy the multi-day passes. You can park-hop, leave & re-enter at will & if you don’t use all your days you can go back & use them another time. It’s cheaper than single-day tickets & a whole lot more flexible.


  65. 65 Gil in Mechanicsville November 9, 2008 at 11:18 pm

    FBG.. How much were the passes for Florida residents? They might be a good Christmas present for my youngest son and his family…


  66. 66 flbravesgirl November 9, 2008 at 11:20 pm

    I think about $250, Gil. Not cheap, but if they’ll go regularly it’s worth it.


  67. 67 Gil in Mechanicsville November 9, 2008 at 11:22 pm



  68. 68 flbravesgirl November 9, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    Well, single-day tix are $67. So 4 park entries & our passes are paid for, rest of the year is free.


  69. 69 Gil in Mechanicsville November 9, 2008 at 11:26 pm

    that is per person.. right?


  70. 70 flbravesgirl November 9, 2008 at 11:27 pm

    OK, I checked. 3 day passes are $43 a day. 4 day are $40 & so on up to 7 days. Kids under 10 are cheaper.


  71. 71 flbravesgirl November 9, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    Yep. Per person. We go a lot so the passes really are the best for us.


  72. 72 Gil in Mechanicsville November 9, 2008 at 11:29 pm

    I may just send him to Busch Gardens… 🙂


  73. 73 flbravesgirl November 9, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    I don’t know that BG is much cheaper per day but it’s only a 1 day place. Are his kids big enough for really huge scary coasters?


  74. 74 Gil in Mechanicsville November 9, 2008 at 11:35 pm

    his youngest is 7, oldest is 11


  75. 75 Gil in Mechanicsville November 9, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    i may just get his pick up truck fixed so he can drive it home after christmas…


  76. 76 flbravesgirl November 9, 2008 at 11:38 pm

    Actually BG is the same $ for single-day, which is ridiculous IMO. No one should charge as much as Disney because no one else has as much to see & do.


  77. 77 flbravesgirl November 9, 2008 at 11:43 pm

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Disney offered deals on tickets & rooms in the near future with these tough financial times. AAA gets you a bit of a discount too.


  78. 78 Gil in Mechanicsville November 9, 2008 at 11:50 pm

    too much walking for me for sure, and I don’t do rides anymore… I have become an old stick in the mud… prefer calmer excursions now. I guess that is why I like baseball.


  79. 79 flbravesgirl November 10, 2008 at 12:09 am

    No excuses. We took my 84-year-old grandmother all over Disney in her wheelchair. She had a great time. No roller coasters for her, of course, but they have plenty of “calm” rides too.


  80. 80 Voice of Raisins November 10, 2008 at 9:55 am

    Obligatory Jake Peavy update: Padres discuss keeping the ace, Braves grow impatient. Cubs are still in the mix, while the Dodgers and Yankees are “on the backburner.” — Ken Rosenthal

    Me too… 😀


  81. 81 Voice of Raisins November 10, 2008 at 9:58 am

    Uh, sorry. 😳 I meant to copy the full text:

    The Padres are still weighing offers for right-hander Jake Peavy, and on Friday discussed the possibility of keeping the pitcher if they fail to receive a satisfactory proposal, according to a major league source. The Braves, after weeks of discussions, are growing impatient, another source said, and soon might push for a resolution. The Braves and Cubs remain the front-runners, with the Yankees and Dodgers on the backburner.


  82. 82 Voice of Raisins November 10, 2008 at 10:21 am

    At the risk of sounding alot like a Diet Pepsi MAX commercial,



  83. 83 Salty November 10, 2008 at 10:49 am

    I are awake…VOR!


  84. 84 Salty November 10, 2008 at 10:49 am

    By the way, Raisins…feelin’ a bit ‘Lowe’, are ya!?! 😆


  85. 85 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 10, 2008 at 11:12 am

    A bit Lowe! :mrgreen: Pretty good there Salt!


  86. 86 Voice of Raisins November 10, 2008 at 11:15 am

    No, just feeling a bit “Peaved” at the way SD is dragging their feet with regard to the trade. 😀


  87. 87 Voice of Raisins November 10, 2008 at 11:16 am

    At least I’m not “down in the Dempster”. 😀


  88. 88 Voice of Raisins November 10, 2008 at 11:38 am

    In their determination to get younger and more athletic, the White Sox are reluctantly going to put Jermaine Dye, their best hitter, on the block. And, despite his second-half slump and inability to win big games, Javier Vazquez has drawn a lot of interest, too. Guys who log 200 innings and 200 strikeouts, as Vazquez has done the last two years, are hard to find. — Bill Madden, NY Daily News


    Jermaine Dye: Bats right, hit .294/34HR/96RBI in 2008. Under contract for $11.5M in 2009 with a mutual $12M option for 2010. Just in time for Jason Heyward. I like it.

    Javier Vasquez: Throws right. 12-16, 4.67 ERA, 200K’s in 208.3 IP in 2008. Under contract for $11.5M for each 2009 and 2010. His stats are kinda weird, though, because he went 0-3 in his last 3 starts with a 13.5 ERA in those 3 games. In the 9 games prior to those disastrous 3, he went 5-4 with a 2.79 ERA. Uh, not so much… I don’t care if he did strike out 200, he lost 16 games, for cryin’ out loud.

    Now, Jermaine Dye. He’d be great in LF for the next year or 2. A perfect combination of veteran leadership and LF pop. Wonder what he’d cost..?


  89. 89 Voice of Raisins November 10, 2008 at 11:46 am

    Over the last seven seasons, Derek Lowe has made between 32 starts and 35 starts a season and averaged 208 innings pitched per season. Over his four years with the Dodgers, each year he gave up fewer earned runs than the year before. His 3.24 ERA this season was his lowest since his 2.58 with the Red Sox in 2002. — Boston Globe

    In Turner Field, this dude would have a Cy Young season. Also, he makes the ‘pen better by simply taking the pressure off ’em. I’m as tired of the 5 inning starters as Blaine Boyer is. Lowe makes so much sense for the Braves that I can’t even begin to convey it. It’s high time the Braves ponied up some $$$ for a meaningful FA.


  90. 90 Voice of Raisins November 10, 2008 at 11:48 am

    With all of the talk of the Braves having $40M or so to spend this offseason, has anyone considered that Huddy’s contract for 2009 is probably insured? Doesn’t that add a bit more flexibility?


  91. 91 Voice of Raisins November 10, 2008 at 12:02 pm


    In 2008, the Braves sucked, the Falcons have started 6-3 and are in the playoff hunt, and the Hawks have gotten off to a 5-0 start. Surely the end of the world is near… 😀


  92. 92 Carolina Lady November 10, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    Raisins, you’ve convinced me on Lowe. Let’s go get him! 🙂


  93. 93 Voice of Raisins November 10, 2008 at 12:27 pm

    CL: You, Klobber and your fellow Carolina folks get your own Fox Sports network, complete with Braves coverage. Paladin and 10Paul get one, too, but they may get as much Reds and Cards as they do Braves. Fox Sports South has had Fox Sports Carolinas and Fox Sports Tennessee carved out of it. Oddly, you still apparently keep Fox Sports South.



  94. 94 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 10, 2008 at 12:45 pm

    V is on a roll again. He is PUNishing us as well! 😉
    Javier Vasquez??? That ERA is very high. Gives up lots of homers as well. Funny in that he only had about 6 more hits than innings pitched. Might not make a bad 4th starter, but ain’t the #1 or #2 we need. Teams that have a bunch of guys that can actually go 7 innings, have better bullpens…for some unknown reason!


  95. 95 Voice of Raisins November 10, 2008 at 1:05 pm

    I am by no means advocating acquiring Vazquez… to the contrary, I want to stay away from that one.

    But Dye… many teams would “Dye” for his bat in LF.



  96. 96 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 10, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    You should Pat yourself on the back for not mentioning Burrell, of course, it’s s Dunn deal who’s going to be our left fielder anyway! 😛


  97. 97 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 10, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    It’s a Dunn deal…sigh….go ahead, you make a pun out of Magglio’s name!


  98. 98 Voice of Raisins November 10, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    Well, Ber, let’s just say that unless and until the Braves acquire 2 frontline starters, just adding a LF’er would only be putting “Maggs” on a Pinto…


  99. 99 Voice of Raisins November 10, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    … you know, it might look better, but it’s still a Pinto… 😀


  100. 100 Voice of Raisins November 10, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    SI is reporting that the A’s and Rocks have agreed to a trade that’ll send Holliday to Oakland. Maybe this’ll loosen the logjam.


  101. 101 Voice of Raisins November 10, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    There is an unconfirmed rumor that SD has called a 5:00pm news conference. I am scouring the web for anything that might confirm it…


  102. 102 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 10, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    The web needs a good cleaning V, keep going! 😉

    I am really shocked the A’s traded for Holliday! I bet they still flip him come July if they are not in the race….Angels better pony up and sign a big horse, not a Pinto, even with Maggs, but for the Tex!
    Damn V, Maggs on a Pinto, you are killing me! 😡 cleaning my clock with your puns. 😦


  103. 103 Voice of Raisins November 10, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    The presser rumor must be only that. There is nothing regarding that anywhere…


  104. 104 Salty November 10, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    Yes, getting Peaved leaves me in the Dempster for sure! Braves need pitching, looking high and Lowe for a solution, and for more than one…and looks are important, too, thus he should be a Hanson 😆 fella, too!

    And in the infield, will a new ‘up the middle’ combo be needed? No Fairweather Johnson, uh uh…and must have a good glove, period, Punto! Must Rentaria shortstop (get it…Rent a real…ah, never mind!). A back-up backstop…is that redundant..exponential…uh…?

    And the outfield, so true, one with pop is to Dye for, Ordon’use-guys have another in mind, perhaps Larry the Cable Guy’s favorite will ‘git ‘er Dunn’? A solution means keeping up with the Jones’…not so black and Blanco, is it? Alas, blood sugar’s gettin’ low…need a an energy boost…perhaps an Esco-bar will do the trick! Outta here!


  105. 105 Voice of Raisins November 10, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    Salty doin’ his best SG impersonation! 😆

    He’ll be here all week, ladies and gentlemen. Don’t forget to tip your waitresses. 😉


  106. 106 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 10, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    Salty, Salty, Salty! :mrgreen:
    I have to say, I’d punto on Nick at short….

    on that note…I need to leave for a bit. Dry your eyes, I shall return. Gotta get ready for Obama day tomorrow! I hear we will have one each Tuesday til he is inaugurated. Really!

    I hope when I return I will hear that we got Peavy for Corky, Jo-Jo, Soriano, and Morton. 😛


  107. 107 Salty November 10, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    I’m such a Lud…wick brings me to another topic. The A’s on Holliday…hmmm…didn’t see that coming. They’re off their Beane! Colorado headed down a Rockie Street next year…Houston, we have a problem!

    Braves shortstop solution…, Isturiz a difficult decsion, for sure. Hail, Cesar…see what he says! Braves must be good…make the NL East Greene with envy!

    Ohman, before I forget…bullpen…must keep strong…where there’s a Will, there’s a way!!! And relief for Brian, too…as McCann’t do it all himself!

    And the outfield…a marquee CF, or simply Josh around with Gregor and Jordan? Kotsay right away, but Mark my words, the Braves will surprise! And remember…the Devil wears Prado!!! :mrgreen:

    Tips in the jar, please!!!


  108. 108 Carolina Lady November 10, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    Salty, you are on a roll today!! Terrific! 😆

    Raisins, the Fox Sports Channel/Sport South here show the Orioles. Go figure. MLB, who decides who sees what, decided that the southeastern corner of NC would contain nothing but Baltimore fans, surely not ATL fans.
    Blasphemy. And very annoying.


  109. 109 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 10, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    Here’s a tip for ya, don’t quit your day job! 🙂 Seriously, you and V are very good at this! Better than I am…today at least! But there will be other battles! And why am I not gone yet???


  110. 110 Salty November 10, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    He’ll be here all week, ladies and gentlemen.



  111. 111 Gil in Mechanicsville November 10, 2008 at 6:10 pm

    greetings folks, sorry I missed all the fun today. Big day for me as I went to Tractor Supply… Yeehaw….

    And Richmond based Circuit City filed for bankruptcy today. Sad for all the folks losing their jobs but it’s my fault I guess. I wished this on them several years ago after they failed to honor the warranty on a TV Josie bought from them… Sometimes it takes a while but poor business practices will come back to haunt you.

    And baseball… Only 48 hours left according to Raisins time line for the Pads and the Braves to make a deal…

    And I bought gas today for $1.89 per gallon… It’s cheaper on the southside but I like the trend….


  112. 112 Carolina Lady November 10, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    $1.89??? Wow. It’s all the way down to $2.339 here. Port of entry where it doesn’t have to be shipped anywhere – and more expensive. 😕


  113. 113 Gil in Mechanicsville November 10, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    Supply and demand CL… evidently, gas is more in demand there. Folks just stopped driving around here. By my count, we have lost about 5,000 jobs here locally in the past 6 months.

    I’m not saying the recession is over but the SUVs were back on the road today. I venture that the $2.00 a gallon threshold is an important mark for folks who have vehicles that get 15 miles per gallon.


  114. 114 Salty November 10, 2008 at 8:06 pm

    Gil…think of it like this…if a person drives 15K/year, gas dropping from $4 to $2/gallon is a savings of $1500/year. Many folks drive much more than that.

    CL…I think your area is slow to drop from the peak you had a month ago. It recently dropped below $2 here as well, but for a couple of weeks, even after the peak, our gas was still above the national average…only now are we pulling the average down.


  115. 115 Carolina Lady November 10, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    This county is where most of the jobs are located. People drive back and forth daily from 6 surrounding counties to their jobs. Daytime population more than quadruples. A nightmare to drive here. Infrastructure was no where near ready for this major influx and it is packed to the max with new-comers, including a HUGE population of older retirees from ‘up Nawth’.

    Add in a large university of 20,000+ students, staff, etc.

    Add in all these daily commuters.

    Just lots and lots and lots of fun to live here now.

    Or not.

    I don’t leave home unless I absolutely have to. And then I don’t leave the driveway with out praying. Seriously! From state statistics, this county is THE most dangerous to drive in out of all 100 counties in NC. For the 10th year in a row.

    Any news on Peavy yet? I’m getting tired of him already.


  116. 116 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 10, 2008 at 9:07 pm

    Weird trade…surely we could have offered more???

    Peter Gammons is reporting the Nats have made acquired Scott Olsen and Josh Willingham from the Marlins for a package of prospects including second baseman Emilio Bonafacio and 2 minor league players, pitcher P.J. Dean and shortstop Jake Smolinski. Bonafacio was the prospect the Diamondbacks traded straight up for Jon Rauch.

    Bonifacio projects as a lead off hitter with 50 steal potential, showing steady progression as a prospect with the Diamondbacks. Last season he managed 7 swipes in 49 games despite a .296 OBP. Gammons notes his speed will improve the Marlins “right-side defense.”

    P.J. Dean is a 20 year old righty from New Caney, Texas. In 46 innings in the Gulf Coast league, he struck out 34, held hitters to .165 batting average against, and finished with a 1.57 ERA, 0.91 WHIP.

    Gammons reports Smolinski hit .306 in the New York Penn league this year. The 19 year old hits righty had no homeruns but 8 doubles and 4 SBs in 24 games.


  117. 117 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 10, 2008 at 9:15 pm

    CL, I’d say your neck of the woods is being scr*wed then! We here in the ATL area for weeks after everyone else’s prices dropped. Finally, we have had the prices drop, and like a rock! I saw $1.97 today. Our guest who came to dinner, when he goes back to his small town 50 miles south of us, it’s always 10-20 cents lower than us!!!


  118. 118 Gil in Mechanicsville November 10, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    I think I am going to invest in gasoline futures. Buy a couple of 55gal drums and stock pile the petrol for when the price goes back up from the $1 gal fuel tax they are going to levy so we dumb rednecks will get with the program and ride the bus…. Besides, the Arabs need the price up so they can continue to finance their jihad.

    Sorry about the rant but I am being bitter and I don’t have a gun to cling to right now….


  119. 119 Carolina Lady November 10, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    Ber, believe it or not, the US Chamber of Commerce lists this area as having a much higher cost of living than Atlanta. With this enormous (and overwhelming) influx of people – many who are quite ‘well-off’ – prices on everything have gone through the roof.

    There is an gi-normous shopping complex (Mayfaire) that brags about how expensive it is. True story: was enticed to enter the sacred sanctum of Mayfaire by a sale advertisement by a normally low-priced shoe store (something along the line of Shoe Carnival or Pick and Pay); the lowest SALE price I saw was $80 for a dinky little pair of nothing shoes that I wouldn’t have paid $2 for.

    I figured if those people were stupid enough to pay that for something of that low quality, they were stupid enough to fall for anything.

    It is a ‘self-contained’ complex: condos on the floors above the stores, just about every kind store you can imagine – from specialty coffee shops, clothing, groceries – and I’m not talking Food Lion or even Harris Teeter here – a movie complex with 16 screens, specialty bakeries (everything here is ‘specialty’ you would quickly notice), Barnes & Nobles, little so-called ‘upscale’ restaurants – another word for very expensive but not necessarily very good, etc – you get the picture.

    You see people walking about in veddy, veddy fashional clothes, sweaters draped over their back with the arms loosely tied in front (must be some kind of fashion statement from somewhere..), wearing little ‘fanny packs’, LOTS of jewelry in evidence, hair fixed just so, kids wearing play outfits that cost more than my entire wardrobe, pampered little dogs on leashes. I just marvel at them – and was very happy to get back to my own little place. Wal*Mart suits me just fine, thank you. I just don’t want that kind of stuff.

    Anyhow – having strayed far from the point – that’s a big reason why the prices here are so high. And it’s putting a terrible strain on all the regular ‘working people’ here.

    The land that Mayfair was built on used to be the most beautiful 400-acre horse farm you’d ever hope to see. The owners eventually died, the heirs who lived elsewhere could have cared less about the horses sold the land for some multiple million $$. Horses sold, ponds filled in, every tree cut, land scrapped down to bare ground – paved over and built on. No trace of the original remains. http://www.mayfairetown.com/ So terribly sad what uncaring people can do.


  120. 120 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 10, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    Gil, you should do that! Well, might not be the safest thing in the world(and how long can gas last?) but you’d make a killing!!!


  121. 121 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 10, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    CL, oh…a town of rich folk, eh??? They would be insulted to pay less for gas than people do elsewhere! 😕 Pave over paradise, put up a parking lot…


  122. 122 flbravesgirl November 10, 2008 at 11:16 pm

    Sounds like Florida, CL. Which is why I look forward to living in quiet rural friendly Rabun County. Something like 75% of the land is state parks, natl. forest or Georgia Power land which can never be developed.


  123. 123 flbravesgirl November 10, 2008 at 11:18 pm

    So when do VOR & Salty play Vegas? 😀

    Strange trade for the Nats. They sure are collecting the malcontents.


  124. 124 flbravesgirl November 11, 2008 at 12:01 am

    Nice ajc article by Ms. Rogers about Mac’s offseason workouts. He’s already dropped 15 lbs. I’m very glad to see regrown hair in the accompanying picture.


  125. 125 Gil in Mechanicsville November 11, 2008 at 12:15 am

    Hey, They’ll fit right in around D.C…. Everybody up there is mad about something, they don’t even need a cause… they are just mad. Likely a good thing they are not allowed to have guns…

    Yes CL… I know from where you are coming. There will always be people who are perfectly willing to throw away their money. Well, there are fewer of those folks around because of the economy going into the tank.

    The term “let them eat cake” comes to mind for some reason.

    I am not rich but I am doing okay… Worked hard and tried to be judicious in my spending. I don’t know if I will have enough money to last me the rest of my life but I am going to try to make that happen.


  126. 126 Gil in Mechanicsville November 11, 2008 at 12:16 am

    Yes FBG, he looks much thinner in the photo.


  127. 127 flbravesgirl November 11, 2008 at 12:22 am

    You sound like my dad. He’s very practical with money which allows him the occasional splurge, like the Disney passes.

    She also said Mac’s new house is in Suwanee. Guess he’s my cousin’s neighbor now.


  128. 128 Gil in Mechanicsville November 11, 2008 at 8:37 am

    Another beautiful but chilly day here in Mechanicsville… It dipped down to freezing overnight. It should get back up to near 60 today. We are going to try and get some of the lights put up on the house. Josie worked on the raindeer yesterday to make sure all were in working order.

    Hopefully Frank (can call him that?) will get the Peavy deal done today or at least make a buy of a good free agent pitcher. Someone asked about Washington’s farm system talent… Well, your answer may be evident by their making a deal with the Marlins. They still have more to use if needed.


  129. 129 Gil in Mechanicsville November 11, 2008 at 8:47 am




  130. 130 Gil in Mechanicsville November 11, 2008 at 8:47 am

    Lord I miss Jerry Clower…


  131. 131 Voice of Raisins November 11, 2008 at 8:51 am


    Before my old laptop crashed a couple of weeks ago, I had hours of Jerry Clower material archived on it. Well, I suppose it’s still archived there, I just can’t get to it… 😦


  132. 132 Carolina Lady November 11, 2008 at 9:00 am

    Raisins, a tech may be able to retrieve that material for you. Might be worth a try.

    Lordy, Gil! Wild kingdom up there!! There is an island at the mouth of the Cape Fear River that has all kinds of exotic critters on it. As ships would visit ports all over the world, sailors would buy different creatures to have as pets. But they knew the Customs people here wouldn’t let them in so they would release them on this island when they started up the river. Interesting!


  133. 133 Carolina Lady November 11, 2008 at 9:02 am

    Just a couple of words to all of you who have served in our military:
    THANK YOU!!!

    This American appreciates your service 365 days a year and will never forget. I salute you.


  134. 134 Carolina Lady November 11, 2008 at 9:03 am

    Paladin sent me this: get out a $1 bill and look at the back of it.

    On the rear of the One Dollar bill, you will see two circles.

    Together, they comprise the Great Seal of the United States

    The First Continental Congress requested that Benjamin Franklin and a group of men come up with a Seal. It took them four years to accomplish this task and another two years to get it approved. If you look at the left-hand circle, you will see a Pyramid.

    Notice the face is lighted, and the western side is dark. This country was just beginning. We had not begun to explore the west or decided what we could do for Western Civilization. The Pyramid is uncapped, again signifying that we were not even close to being finished. Inside the capstone you have the all-seeing eye, an ancient symbol for divinity. It was Franklin ‘s belief that one man couldn’t do it alone, but a group of men, with the help of God, could do anything.

    ‘IN GOD WE TRUST’ is on this currency.

    The Latin above the pyramid, ANNUIT COEPTIS, means,

    ‘God has favored our undertaking.’

    The Latin below the pyramid, NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM, means,

    ‘a new order has begun.’

    At the base of the pyramid is the Roman Numeral for 1776. (MDCCLXXVI)

    If you look at the right-hand circle, and check it carefully,

    you will learn that it is on every National Cemetery in the United States . It is also on the Parade of Flags Walkway at the Bushnell, Florida National Cemetery , and is the centerpiece of most heroes’ monuments. Slightly modified, it is the seal of the President of the United States , and it is always visible whenever he speaks,

    yet very few people know what the symbols mean.

    The Bald Eagle was selected as a symbol for victory for two reasons: First, he is not afraid of a storm; he is strong, and he is smart enough to soar above it. Secondly, he wears no material crown. We had just broken from the King of England . Also, notice the shield is unsupported. This country can now stand on its own. At the top of that shield you have a white bar signifying congress, a unifying factor. We were coming together as one nation. In the Eagle’s beak you will read, ‘ E PLURIBUS UNUM’ meaning ‘one from many.’

    Above the Eagle, you have thirteen stars, representing the thirteen original colonies, and any clouds of misunderstanding rolling away.

    Again, we were coming together as one.

    Notice what the Eagle holds in his talons. He holds an olive branch and arrows. This country wants peace, but we will never be afraid to fight to preserve peace. The Eagle always wants to face the olive branch, but in time of war, his gaze turns toward the arrows. They say that the number 13 is an unlucky number.

    This is almost a worldwide belief. You will usually never see a room numbered 13, or any hotels or motels with a 13th floor.

    But think about this:

    13 original colonies,

    13 signers of the Declaration of Independence ,

    13 stripes on our flag,

    13 steps on the Pyramid,

    13 letters in, ‘Annuit Coeptis,’

    13 letters in ‘ E Pluribus Unum,’

    13 stars above the Eagle,

    13 bars on that shield,

    13 leaves on the olive branch,

    13 fruits,

    and if you look closely,

    13 arrows.

    And finally, if you notice the arrangement of the 13 stars in the right-hand circle you will see that they are arranged as a Star of David. This was ordered by George Washington who, when he asked Hayim Solomon, a wealthy Philadelphia Jew, what he would like as a personal reward for his services to the Continental Army, Solomon said he wanted nothing for himself but that he would like something for his people. The Star of David was the result. Few people know that it was Solomon who saved the Army through his financial contributions but died a pauper.

    I always ask people, ‘Why don’t you know this?’ Your children don’t know this, and their history teachers don’t know this. Too many veterans have given up too much to ever let the meaning fade. Many veterans remember coming home to an America that didn’t care. Too many veterans never came home at all.

    Share this with everyone, so they can learn what is on the back of the


    and what it stands for!


  135. 135 Voice of Raisins November 11, 2008 at 9:16 am


    That’s probably the coolest thing I’ve seen in a long time. Certainly the coolest thing I’ll see today. I’m going to send it to Mrs. Raisins, who is a teacher, in hopes she can present it to her class.

    Oh, and my birthday is March 13! 😀 (born on a Friday, too)


  136. 136 Carolina Lady November 11, 2008 at 9:27 am

    Thanks, Raisins! I found it fascinating!

    Found something else most interesting. Old letters written home by our guys in WWII. There’s a column on the left with their names; just click on one and the letter comes up.


  137. 137 Voice of Raisins November 11, 2008 at 9:41 am

    Ryan Dempster and Kerry Wood were supposed to be the Cubs’ priorities going into the off-season, but the unexpected availability of San Diego’s Jake Peavy may have altered the game plan. Atlanta might have a better group of prospects to give San Diego for the 2007 Cy Young Award winner, and the Braves are still believed to be front-runners in the Peavy sweepstakes. Yet the simple fact that the Cubs are willing to spend $64 million or more to acquire another top-line starter could give Dempster pause before he re-signs at below-market value. The question Dempster must ask himself is: Why should I take a hometown discount when the team is apparently willing to spend more money on Peavy? The Cubs have exclusive negotiating rights with their own free agents through Thursday. They are believed to have offered Dempster $50 million over four years, a number he should be able to beat on the open market. Atlanta and the New York Yankees are prospective bidders, and with starting pitching at a premium, others are certain to join in. –Chicago Tribune

    Let’s get ’em both! 😀


  138. 138 Voice of Raisins November 11, 2008 at 9:44 am

    Now, this would be my ideal rotation for 2008:


    Can’t see it materializing, but I can dream it…


  139. 139 Gil in Mechanicsville November 11, 2008 at 10:31 am

    Josie says maybe they needed the money to get the brakes fixed on the truck…



  140. 140 Gil in Mechanicsville November 11, 2008 at 10:45 am

    I think Wren knows he needs to sign two starters for next year. I am sure he wants to get Peavy as a centerpiece. I don’t blame him for not wanting to let go of Hanson, it would almost make a trade a net gain of zero.

    Bottom line, Braves need to sign at least one of the top line free agent starters available. Lack of money is an excuse, not a reason. That said, they will do what they want. My question is how much are they going to offer Smoltz and Hampton? Would either of them take an incentive based contract? I know folks want to make the most money while they can but from personal experience I can say money is a terrible reason to change jobs.


  141. 141 Gil in Mechanicsville November 11, 2008 at 11:00 am

    That said, getting paid more is great if you are still happy in your situation. We all have to eat… The question is where and how well…

    And I too salute all of the veterans who have served our country so selflessly. We as Americans owe you a lot more than you have received…


  142. 142 Gil in Mechanicsville November 11, 2008 at 11:17 am

    Raisins, most computer shops can recover the data off your old hard drive, that is, unless the hard drive was the problem. Likely will run you about $100. So… how important were your lost files to you?


  143. 143 flbravesgirl November 11, 2008 at 11:31 am

    That’s really cool, CL.

    VOR, my mom is a Fri. the 13th baby too.

    Is anyone else ready to smack Towers & Axelrod upside the back of their heads?


  144. 144 Voice of Raisins November 11, 2008 at 12:39 pm

    According to the guy across the street:

    Braves made decision over the weekend that if the Peavy deal’s not done this week, they were going to go full speed with other proposals come Friday, when they can make offer to other free agent pitchers.

    And it was the hard drive that went kaput. Some of it is backed up, but unfortunately, nothing later that around May. I’ll live… 😀


  145. 145 Gil in Mechanicsville November 11, 2008 at 12:46 pm

    Wren must read our blog… Or maybe the he has espn…. 🙂


  146. 146 Voice of Raisins November 11, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    Buster Olney at 12:44pm:

    The Atlanta Braves and San Diego Padres continue to make progress in trade negotiations around pitcher Jake Peavy, but at the same time, San Diego is talking with the Chicago Cubs about the All-Star — with the Padres and Chicago engaging a third team as part of their proposals.

    The Braves and Padres have settled on two pieces of the package that Atlanta would send to San Diego — shortstop Yunel Escobar and outfield prospect Gorkys Hernandez. The Braves likely would include one of two young pitchers, either Charlie Morton or Jo-Jo Reyes. The two sides are at odds over the other pieces in the deal; the Padres are known to have interest in young pitcher Jeffrey Locke.

    Progress is good, right? Yunel, Gorkys, Morton/Reyes and Locke seems fair to me. I’d still like to get Greene back in the deal…


  147. 147 Voice of Raisins November 11, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    Apparently the word is that the Braves DO NOT want Greene…


  148. 148 Carolina Lady November 11, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    from email:

    Are you tired of those sissy ‘friendship’ poems that always sound good, but never actually come close to reality?

    Well, here is a series of promises that actually speak of true friendship.
    You will see no cutesy little smiley faces on this card-
    Just the stone cold truth of our great friendship.

    1. When you are sad –I will jump on the person who made you sad like a spider monkey jacked up on Mountain Dew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    2. When you are blue — I will try to dislodge whatever is choking you.

    3. When you smile — I will know you are plotting something that I must be involved in.

    4. When you’re scared — we will high tail it out of here.

    5. When you are worried — I will tell you horrible stories about how much worse it could be until you quit whining, ya big baby!!!!

    6. When you are confused — I will use little words.

    7. When you are sick –Stay away from me until you are well again. I don’t want whatever you have.

    8. When you fall — I’ll pick you up and dust you off.

    9. This is my oath…I pledge it to the end. ‘Why?’ you may ask — because you are my FRIEND!



  149. 149 Carolina Lady November 11, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    NL Cy Young Award goes to Lincecum

    Giants hurler led the league in winning percentage, strikeouts
    By Chris Haft / MLB.com

    SAN FRANCISCO — Tim Lincecum has been called “The Freak,” “The Franchise” and “Seabiscuit.”
    Now he can be called something else: The National League’s Cy Young Award winner.

    The Giants right-hander earned the prestigious honor, emblematic of the league’s best pitcher, in voting conducted by the Baseball Writers’ Association of America and announced Tuesday.

    Lincecum received 23 of 32 first-place votes, seven second-place votes and one third-place vote for 137 points, which were assigned on a 5-3-1 basis. He outdistanced Arizona’s Brandon Webb (73 points), the New York Mets’ Johan Santana (55), Philadelphia’s Brad Lidge (10), Milwaukee’s CC Sabathia (9) and the Chicago Cubs’ Ryan Dempster (4).

    more at http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081111&content_id=3674375&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb


  150. 150 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 11, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    Here’s something interesting! Well, at least I think so. 😳 I was going to compare Rafael Belliard OBP to K. Greene. Well, did y’all know that the most at bats he had in a season was….. 353???? 😯 And that was 1991. Then 285 AB’s in 1992. Never more than 180 ab’s in a season after that. Guess since he came in most games at the end, it seemed like he was a full time player! http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/bellira01.shtml


  151. 151 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 11, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    CL, that’s good for Lincecum….I am a bit shocked that CC only got 9 votes though! I’d say his year was better than Brandon Webb, even if it was only for 2 1/2 months, or whatever it was. Players really are punished if they are traded from one league to another….


  152. 152 Salty November 11, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    Thomas Malone, professor at M.I.T.: “I think we are just scratching the surface of what’s possible with collective intelligence.”



  153. 153 Salty November 11, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    Apparently the word is that the Braves DO NOT want Greene…

    Raisins…I think that’s ‘code-speak’ for, “Pay some of his salary, and he can come!” 😆 Heck, even under that scenario, the Braves could turn right around and trade him again…but I’m with you, I’d like to give him a shot!


  154. 154 Gil in Mechanicsville November 11, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    Hanibal Lectur wannabe or Mike Tyson protegee?

    Not exactly a man bites dog story but close…

    PASCO, Wash. (AP) — A former minor league football player was evaluated by mental health professionals after police say he forced his way into a secured area at an airport and bit off the fingertip of an officer during a jail scuffle.

    Michael Rayfield Hodges, 25, who played for the Tri-Cities Fever of arenafootball2, was being held in the Franklin County jail, where he met with a state psychologist today.

    His planned appearances in Franklin County Superior Court were canceled Monday, in part because of security concerns.

    “In order to have a mental status exam, he couldn’t be medicated,” prosecutor Steve Lowe told the Tri-City Herald, adding that Hodges may have to be medicated to make a court appearance.

    Hodges is charged with third-degree assault for hitting a federal security officer Nov. 3 as he forced his way into the secured boarding area of the Tri-Cities Airport.

    He bit off the fingertip of a corrections officer and repeatedly punched the face of another officer at the jail Friday as four corrections officers were taking him back to his cell after a visit with his father, according to court documents.

    Hodges has not been charged in the jail scuffle.

    Now, if we can just make sure he’s had his rabies shots….


  155. 155 Gil in Mechanicsville November 11, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    It’s nice to have a shortstop who can hit but I never thought that a high batting average was a prerequisite for the position. I would much rather have a SS with great range and plus defensive skills than a guy who is average in the field and a .300 hitter. Of course it’s nice to have both but no need to be greedy.


  156. 156 Gil in Mechanicsville November 11, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    What we seem to get however is a guy who is so so in the field and can’t hit his weight…


  157. 157 Carolina Lady November 11, 2008 at 4:46 pm


    confirmed: http://www.snopes.com/computer/virus/ups.asp

    With Christmas fast approaching, watch out for this ..

    Please read the following. It applies to FedEx as well.

    UPS/FedX Delivery Failure [with damaging attachment]

    The newest virus circulating is the UPS Delivery Failure. You will
    receive an email from UPS Packet Service along with a packet number.
    NOTE: The word packet is misspelled on this line. It will say that
    they were un-able to deliver a package sent to you on such and such
    a date. It then asks you to print out the invoice copy attached.

    Pass this warning on to all your PC operators at work and home. This
    virus has already caused millions of dollars in damage.

    UPS was quick to put up (and e-mail) a warning about the malicious
    Attention Virus Warning

    Service Update

    We have become aware there is a fraudulent email being sent that says
    it is coming from UPS and leads the reader to believe that a UPS
    shipment could not be delivered. The reader is advised to open an
    attachment reportedly containing a waybill for the shipment to be
    picked up.

    This email attachment contains a virus. We recommend that you do not
    open the attachment, but delete the email immediately.

    UPS may send official notification messages on occasion, but they
    rarely include attachments. If you receive a notification message
    that includes an attachment and are in doubt about its authenticity,
    please contact customerservice@ups.com.

    Please note that UPS takes its customer relationships very seriously,
    but cannot take responsibility for the unauthorized actions of third


  158. 158 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 11, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    You have to take those new fangled rating systems with a grain of salt, but one that mlbtraderumors guy used a few weeks back on K. Greene(I’ll learn to spell his name if he is ever a brave!) made it look like he was a hair below average! Now that surprised me because a few years back, I thought he was one of the top 5 in the game….don’t get to see a lot of Padres games on TV though….


  159. 160 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 11, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    V, he sure sounds it! He has insider info that we won’t get Peavy for sure??? I checked out what he was saying about the mets, and he acts like Billy Wagner will likely retire. Why would he do that??? He wasn’t losing velocity, just had his elbow blow out.

    I do hope we don’t get bogged down in Peavy talk when the free agents are free to talk to everyone. Really don’t want to see us miss out (And I don’t think Wren is a dope by any stretch) on Dempster if he’s really available, or Lowe. I just get the feeling Lowe is going back to the AL east. Yankees and Mets can just print money, even in this economy, what with those new stadiums…


  160. 161 Gil in Mechanicsville November 11, 2008 at 5:47 pm

    Raisins, I don’t know why you would even let a hack like Klapisch annoy you. Like you said.. he is and idiot…


  161. 162 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 11, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    I know his name,but I don’t think I have ever seen the guy on any espn show…that must tell you something…unless he’s on one of those stupid screaming shows that are on this time of day. I avoid those like the plague….

    and I still can’t get used to it being dark this early! 😡 I hate this time of year! 😡 😡


  162. 163 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 11, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    HA! There was plenty of room between 😡 and 😡 makes me so 😡

    and being and idiot, I read what that dope said about the phillies, since I still had a browser open there…

    If Burrell departs, there would be an immediate need for a right-handed-hitting outfielder — say, Magglio Ordonez, or in an even juicier plan, Manny Ramirez. A more realistic option would be to let Jayson Werth inherit left field, shift Shane Victorino to right and make Mike Cameron the new center fielder.

    Hey ya dope, Cameron’s option was picked up on the 4th! Man, why can’t I get a good paying job talking about baseball??? I am surely no dumber than this guy….


  163. 164 Gil in Mechanicsville November 11, 2008 at 5:54 pm

    yes… money talks… it just takes a lot of it to be heard…

    Can’t worry too much about the Yanks and Soxs. No matter how much money they spend, they still cannot buy a championship.

    The Rays are deep. They have some good players on their farm teams. Of course when you are picking first for 10 years you better be making some good picks.

    The rays are actually going to be better next year and the Soxs and the Yanks will only be getting older.


  164. 165 Gil in Mechanicsville November 11, 2008 at 5:58 pm

    Berigan, You are right about you being smarter than that guy. Unfortunately, he is the one who has the compromising photographs…


  165. 166 Gil in Mechanicsville November 11, 2008 at 6:00 pm

    Did you folks see where Willie Randolph took the job as the bench coach for the Brewers? He turned down the same jobs with the Nats. Seems there is a bit of a strain between him and Acta.


  166. 167 Gil in Mechanicsville November 11, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    Fearless prediction… Manny Ramirez will not be signed by the Braves… ever…


  167. 168 Gil in Mechanicsville November 11, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    But there are some other outfielders they have a legitimate shot at. Problem is, guys have a history of doing well at other stops and absolutely stink up the place when they land in Atlanta…


  168. 169 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 11, 2008 at 6:24 pm

    Gil, that is a fearless prediction! 😀 What’s funny, is he is just the kind of hitter we need. Someone that puts fear into every pitcher, hits better in big games. But, he’s like Bonds without the steroids. Someone you just don’t want on your team.

    When I saw Pat the bat pop up time and time again in the WS with runners on , I thought, there is our left fielder, hits like our guys do in the playoffs. 😕 To be fair, he did have a big hit in the last game. But I think he hit .191 for the last 2 months of the season. Raul is the guy I’d like to see us snag, but he doesn’t bat right handed.


  169. 170 Gil in Mechanicsville November 11, 2008 at 11:46 pm

    I was just reading O’Brien’s piece on Tyler Flowers. My thinking is When he shows up in Atlanta, McCann will be ready to move to first base because his knees will be shot. It’s a good problem to have. I guess you guys around Atlanta will see Flowers in Gwinnett next spring.


  170. 171 Gil in Mechanicsville November 12, 2008 at 12:00 am

    Ber… you make a good point about needing a right handed bat. There is a reason other teams load up with the leftys against the Braves. They will keep on doing it too until the Bravos prove they can hit against them.


  171. 172 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 12, 2008 at 12:15 am

    Gil, and you make a good point. They will keep tossing lefties at us forever. Chipper has less power from the right side as well. Mutual admiration society here! 😉
    It’s funny you should talk about this , because I just was scanning the AJC to see what was going on or not going on. And DOB has what I think is a weird comment….

    By David O’Brien
    November 11, 2008 7:59 PM | Link to this
    Siskel: Ibanez and Bradley, a chance, yes. Don’t know if it’s much of a chance, but it’s a better chance than, say, Burrell or Dunn. Those latter two are unlikely for Braves.

    So, not much of a chance for either Burrell, Dunn, or Ibanez??? Who then??? I must be forgetting someone, but who???


  172. 173 Voice of Raisins November 12, 2008 at 8:09 am

    The Padres again have asked the Braves to revise their proposal for right-hander Jake Peavy, requesting that the team substitute Single-A catcher Tyler Flowers for Single-A center fielder Gorkys Hernandez, according to major-league sources.

    Flowers, 6-foot-4 and 245 pounds, is tearing up the Arizona Fall League, and the Braves probably are unwilling to part with him in the same package as shortstop Yunel Escobar and either right-hander Charlie Morton or left-hander Jo-Jo Reyes. Frankly, they’re not thrilled with trading any of those players.

    The Cubs and Padres, meanwhile, continue to discuss the same list of six to eight names from which the Padres would choose in a deal for Peavy. The Padres then would have the option of spinning one or more of those players to other clubs.

    One rival GM poses a good question: Why are the Braves so willing to trade Escobar? When the Braves included shortstop Elvis Andrus in their package for Teixeria 16 months ago, club officials reasoned that Escobar could man the position for the next six years.

    Well, Escobar is part of the price to get Peavy. The Braves believe that Brent Lillibridge would be a lesser hitter than Escobar but a superior defender, further benefiting their pitching staff. — the usually reliable Ken Rosenthal

    There have been so many different reports in the last 2 days that I no longer give any credence to any of them. The Braves see Lillibridge as superior defender? I doubt it. They’ll go outside the organization for a replacement SS, bank on it. That, of course, assumes the deal gets done. I hope they offer no more than Yunel/Gorkys/Morton or Jo-Jo. That’s it. No 4th player. Period. Do it or don’t. Be done with this circus by midnight Friday morning.

    Gil: Flowers is slated for Pearl next season.


  173. 174 Voice of Raisins November 12, 2008 at 8:40 am

    This is one of the most amazing things I have ever seen:



  174. 175 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 12, 2008 at 9:25 am

    V, I remember that guy playing for the Pope many years ago!!! I had wondered what had happened to him. Isn’t that amazing?????


  175. 176 Carolina Lady November 12, 2008 at 10:18 am

    Thank the Lord for a human spirit that finds a way! Beautiful!


  176. 177 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 12, 2008 at 10:43 am

    I know who I forgot to mention last night….Ryan Ludwick. But, should we trade Kelly Johnson for him??? And is he really enough for a guy that hit 37 homers last year????


  177. 178 Gil in Mechanicsville November 12, 2008 at 11:00 am

    I had the opportunity to see both Lillibridge and Escobar play short and the Lillibridge I saw two years ago was better than the Escobar I saw play two years ago. I hope last year was an aberration as far as Brent goes. I don’t know if Lilly is playing somewhere in the off season or taking the winter off.

    The Padres are not going to make a deal with the Braves… They keep changing the conditions of the trade to the point where the terms of the deal are not palatable for the Bravos.


  178. 179 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 12, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    Well, if he goes to the Cubs and they keep Dempster(If only Time/Warner had been 1/3rd as free with the pocketbook when the braves were for sale as Wrigley!) That would give them Peavy, Demspter, Harden, and Zambrano. 4 guys with #1 stuff, and Ted Lilly, who pitched 204 innings as their 5th starter!!! Heck, they might even make it past the first round! 😛


  179. 180 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 12, 2008 at 12:04 pm

    I wish Lil’Bridge would put on 10 pounds of muscle. He sure is a slick fielder for sure. Speaking of muscle, Matt Holliday is chuck full of them, kinda looks like a ‘roid guy…but that’s not my point. My point is how come he, and Bonds, Fat Albert can be elite hitters, and Frenchy, who never looked that big to me, had problems with more muscle???


  180. 181 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 12, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    And if we don’t trade for Peavy, don’t ya think Yunel is going to be cranky, after nearly being traded??? I think I saw a rumor about the Twins possibly being interested in him. They somehow still have young pitching to burn even after trading Santana and Matt Garza….


  181. 182 Gil in Mechanicsville November 12, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    Ber… Some organizations just develop players better than others. Depends on the philosophy of the guys in charge. It also helps to have an extensive scouting network. Syd Trift used to say anyone can spot a star after he makes it to the big leagues. The real key is identifying a player when he is just emerging.

    Lots of scouts develop a network of bird dogs to alert them of a kid who has potential. Some of them are high school coaches or maybe old acquaintances who watch out for potential athletes. Most work for free. If an organization places an interest in a kid’s development, they usually have a leg up on the competition when it comes time to sign them.

    The Detroit Tigers have always had that type of inroad on baseball talent here locally. Do know way for sure but that is the way it has been. The Mets have held an advantage around the tidewater area. Mainly because the Mets AAA farm team had a presence there.

    Shenandoah Vally has long been the domain of the Pittsburgh Pirates. I look for Northern VA to go with the Nationals but then again it could be the Orioles who network there.


  182. 183 Salty November 12, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    It’s not adding muscle that’s problematic, but how, where, and the time it takes to add the muscle that is key. As Frenchy said himself, he went about it like a football player…not all bad if you’re going to plow into a catcher. In his case; however, he forgot the first rule: get on base!


  183. 184 Gil in Mechanicsville November 12, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    I wanted to share a funny email I received this morning (translated from Arabic):

    A financial expert was asked to explain in simple layman’s terms the reasons behind the recent stock market crash. He thought for a while and said: “A man traveled to a far away village and offered its inhabitants to buy every single donkey they owned for $10. Many villagers rushed to sell him their donkeys. The next day he raised the price to $15, and even more villagers sold their donkeys. Later he raised the price to $30, and the villagers sold until they all ran out of donkeys. Then he said, ‘I will pay $50 for every single donkey,’ and he went to spend the weekend in the city. The man’s assistant visited the village the next day and offered to sell back the villagers’ donkeys for $40 each, provided they sell them back to his master for $50 each on Monday. The villagers went into all their savings in order to buy back their donkeys. Those who did not own anything rushed to borrow from their neighbors, hoping to make a quick profit. They never saw the man or his assistant again. When the next week arrived, there were only two things left in the village: debts and donkeys.”


  184. 185 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 12, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    Gil, that’s funny and sad all wrapped in one tale….we all know why it’s sad….


  185. 186 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 12, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    Flowers hit 3 homers and 7 rbi’s and Hanson struck out 9 in 5 innings. Yeah, let’s trade both of them. 🙄

    Flowers in a spring training game last year, seemed to hit the ball hard every time, not fooled a bit. I hope the braves don’t leave him in A ball, might as well start him in AA, IMHO….


  186. 187 Voice of Raisins November 12, 2008 at 11:04 pm

    Ber: Flowers is slated for AA Pearl.


  187. 188 Gil in Mechanicsville November 12, 2008 at 11:21 pm

    Berigan, I think the trade is done by tomorrow or it does not get done. I think Salty said Flowers is slated for Pearl next year but I will bet he is in AAA by June at the latest. The Braves did not have a lot of catchers in their system at that level last year.

    You have to give up quality to get quality. You don’t have to be stupid about it. Sometimes the price is too high. When I go to auctions, I make up mu mind before hand on how much I am willing to pay before the bidding starts. I may try to get something for less but I have a hard fast rule about going over. I would rather have buyer’s regret for not getting something than buyer’s regret for making a bad purchase.

    The Braves are going to have to give up some good players to get Peavy, I think Wren has to be smart and not spend them all on one player, the Braves have other needs too. You never know who might come available later.


  188. 189 Voice of Raisins November 12, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    The Atlanta Braves, full-steam ahead in their pursuit of right-hander Jake Peavy, are offering a four-player package of players, and San Diego is expected to request that Peavy waive his no-trade clause so the deal can be completed.

    Under terms of the deal discussed by the Braves and Padres, San Diego would receive shortstop Yunel Escobar, Class A outfielder Gorkys Hernandez, one of two starting pitchers — Charlie Morton or Jo-Jo Reyes — and either reliever Blaine Boyer or one of two minor-league left-handers (one of which is believed to be Jeff Locke).

    In addition to Escobar and Hernandez, it is believed that the Padres, if the deal is completed, will opt for Morton, a 25-year-old right-hander who was 4-8 with a 6.15 ERA in 16 appearances — 15 starts — in 2008. They also are said to be leaning toward Boyer, a 27-year-old right-hander who was one of manager Bobby Cox’s chief workhorses last season, finishing tied for ninth in the NL with 76 appearances.

    Though Padres scouts like Locke, he’s only 21 and not yet ready for the majors. The Padres’ bullpen was deeply disappointing last season and, now, with iconic closer Trevor Hoffman apparently having pitched his last game for the Padres, is close to being in complete disarray.



  189. 190 Gil in Mechanicsville November 13, 2008 at 4:35 am

    Gee Raisins, you are up late…


  190. 191 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 13, 2008 at 6:59 am

    Oh, Pearl IS the AA team! 😳 I just hear Mississippi and not the town. Pearl just sounds A ball to me! 😛


  191. 193 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 13, 2008 at 7:15 am

    A couple of pretty big names in baseball died in the last few days, and I never saw anything about it on espn.com. Did anyone hear about them???
    Herb Score, pitcher derailed by line drive, dies at 75 (I knew he was pretty good, but after reading the article, he might have been as good as Sandy Koufax!!!)

    Brooklyn Dodgers pitcher Preacher Roe dies at the age of 92.



  192. 194 Gil in Mechanicsville November 13, 2008 at 10:11 am

    Howdy all.. Trade finalized yet???


  193. 195 Voice of Raisins November 13, 2008 at 10:15 am

    Very interesting thing to note from my early morning reading. According to the CBSSports.com story, Barry Axelrod, Peavy’s agent, said Wednesday evening that he had not spoken with Padres general manager Kevin Towers [regarding a potential trade, for which Peavy has to give approval]. And if that conversation takes place on Thursday, it still may be a bit before the Padres and Braves receive an answer — Peavy is scheduled to fly home from a trip to Puerto Rico and will be traveling much of the day.

    If he is flying home from San Juan today, doesn’t he have to come through Atlanta‘s airport?


  194. 196 Voice of Raisins November 13, 2008 at 10:17 am

    Very interesting thing to note from my early morning reading. According to the CBSSports.com story, Barry Axelrod, Peavy’s agent, said Wednesday evening that he had not spoken with Padres general manager Kevin Towers [regarding a potential trade, for which Peavy has to give approval]. And if that conversation takes place on Thursday, it still may be a bit before the Padres and Braves receive an answer — Peavy is scheduled to fly home from a trip to Puerto Rico and will be traveling much of the day.

    If he is flying home from San Juan today, doesn’t he have to come through Atlanta‘s airport?


  195. 197 Voice of Raisins November 13, 2008 at 11:41 am

    I wonder how/that happened!?! I didn’t post it twice… WordPress usually won’t duplicate a post anyway.


  196. 198 Gil in Mechanicsville November 13, 2008 at 11:53 am

    Magic Raisins… Your post are so profound they warrant repeating.. 🙂


  197. 199 Voice of Raisins November 13, 2008 at 12:01 pm



  198. 200 Voice of Raisins November 13, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    I wish I could take credit for the airport thing, but the credit belongs to our old friend Jersey Gil… posted across the street. I thought it was a very astute and intriguing point.


  199. 201 Voice of Raisins November 13, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    Perusing the daily publications today, it occurs to me that the Braves will be battling their arch-nemisis toe-to-toe way before the 2009 season even kicks off. Like the Braves, the hated Mutts are seeking a top tier starter and a righty LF bopper. Many of the names we have rehashed here numerous times are also on the Mutts’ radar. It should be a very interesting Hot Stove season.


  200. 202 Voice of Raisins November 13, 2008 at 12:46 pm

    FA silly season begins in less than 12 hours.

    Anbody want to offer up an over/under on the enoormous amount of coinage the Yankers will throw at CC?


  201. 203 Voice of Raisins November 13, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    OK… I will. How ’bout:

    $150M over 6 years?


  202. 204 Voice of Raisins November 13, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    enoormous? That must be really enormous… 😳


  203. 205 Salty November 13, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    Coupla thoughts:

    1. Who’s going to buy those Mets tix for next season? I’ll wager the money spent on FA’s will be scaled back

    2. If you’re a FA, are you signing where the economy is in good shape…ok…lousy…will it have a bearing? Probably so…if it ain’t good, the player likely won’t get an offer from there.

    3. Here’s bettin’ the FA’s sign sooner than later…might make ya wonder why the winter meetings will even take place.


  204. 206 Salty November 13, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    A 4th thought:

    Why do trades…FA’s might be cheaper after all.


  205. 207 flbravesgirl November 13, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    Still no Peavy? What the heck are they doing?


  206. 208 Carolina Lady November 13, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    Paul Harvey RIDDLE:

    When asked this riddle, 80% of kindergarten kids got the answer, compared to 17% of Stanford University seniors.

    What is greater than God, More evil than the devil, The poor have it, The rich need it, And if you eat it, you’ll die?


  207. 209 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 13, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    I sure thought I would wake to news of the Peavy trade…and his concerns about SS, now being on a trip, like somehow he’s caught off guard after what a month of talk about a trade…I do wonder if he’s really the guy for us.(I do have to say, DOB made a very compelling argument the other day, but is he a big game guy?)
    Trade guys for a left fielder and get a few starters from Free agency. We don’t have to give up anything since we were in the bottom 15 of teams last year.


  208. 210 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 13, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    CL, I am like those 54% of Stanford University seniors 😛


  209. 211 Voice of Raisins November 13, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    CL: nothing


  210. 213 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 13, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    Oh…that’s good!


  211. 214 Carolina Lady November 13, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    The Padres are on the verge of trading All-Star right-hander Jake Peavy to the Braves, CBS Sportsline.com reported late Wednesday night.
    The deal, which has been in the works for more than a month, would reportedly net the Padres shortstop Yunel Escobar, Class A outfielder Gorkys Hernandez, one of two starting pitchers — Charlie Morton or Jo-Jo Reyes — and either reliever Blaine Boyer or one of two Minor League left-handers.


  212. 215 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 13, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    V is smart as a kindergartner!!! 😀


  213. 216 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 13, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    V, that 6 years 150,000,000 might just be the starting point!!!! 😯 I say same number of years, 175 Mil…

    According to Joel Sherman of the New York Post, the Yankees will “aggressively extend a proposal” to C.C. Sabathia tomorrow. He believes the Yankees will go to “a financial region that no other franchise would even consider” to lure the ace. Sherman’s guess is an initial bid in the six-year, $150MM range (and that may not be the final offer).


  214. 217 Voice of Raisins November 13, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    Marlins spin off Kevin Gregg to the Cubbies. They are a joke of a franchise. They purge more than Nicole Ritchie. 😐


  215. 218 Carolina Lady November 13, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    😯 Could Ted Turner buy back the Atlanta Braves? Well he’s evidently thinking about it.


  216. 219 Voice of Raisins November 13, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    Now THAT is interesting…


  217. 220 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 13, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    CL, I’d love it! I got to say though, that sounds a bit tongue and cheek to me. His resturants are fine, but I cannot imagine the revenue from them a book bringing in 1/100th of what’s needed. Hopefully his still has a billion laying around here and there! 😉

    Turner was promoting his new book, ‘Call Me Ted.’ He told anchor Robin Roberts at the end of the interview that he was, “trying to earn enough money with my restaurants and my books to buy the Braves back.”


  218. 221 Carolina Lady November 13, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    Nov. 10, 2008
    CBSSports.com wire reports

    NEW YORK — The World Series champion Philadelphia Phillies will host the Atlanta Braves in Major League Baseball’s 2009 opener on April 5.

    The Sunday night game, originally scheduled for the following day, will be broadcast on ESPN2, the commissioner’s office said Monday.

    Wouldn’t it be nice to come out of the starting gate with a WIN?


  219. 222 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 13, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    They purge more than Nicole Ritchie
    They have good baseball folk on the team, and probably more fans on the team than in the stands. Strangely enough, I hear they get good tv ratings for games. I know it’s hot there, but you know what??? It’s even hotter where the Rangers play, and they draw fans….


  220. 223 Voice of Raisins November 13, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    Ken Rosenthal debunks the apparent myth that the trade is “close”.

    I’m tired of this circus. I’d like to see Frank Wren call Kevin Towers and tell him, “Get what you can from Chicago. Felix Pie sure is something. Bye.”


  221. 225 Voice of Raisins November 13, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    This year’s Silver Slugger Award winners:


    Catcher: Joe Mauer, Twins
    First base: Justin Morneau, Twins
    Second base: Dustin Pedroia, Red Sox
    Third base: Alex Rodriguez, Yankees
    Shortstop: Derek Jeter, Yankees
    Outfield: Josh Hamilton, Rangers
    Outfield: Carlos Quentin, White Sox
    Outfield: Grady Sizemore, Indians
    Designated hitter: Aubrey Huff, Orioles


    Catcher: Brian McCann, Braves
    First base: Albert Pujols, Cardinals
    Second base: Chase Utley, Phillies
    Third base: David Wright, Mets 😯 Wha?
    Shortstop: Hanley Ramirez, Marlins
    Outfield: Ryan Braun, Brewers
    Outfield: Matt Holliday, Rockies
    Outfield: Ryan Ludwick, Cardinals
    Pitcher: Carlos Zambrano, Cubs


  222. 226 Voice of Raisins November 13, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    Now the dubunking is being debunked. The guy from CBS, Scott Miller, said on SD radio this afternoon that Rosenthal is wrong, and that the players have been agreed upon. He says it’s now going to Peavy for his approval. We’ll see if this debunking of the debunking will itself be debunked. I think it’s all bunk.


  223. 227 Voice of Raisins November 13, 2008 at 5:17 pm

    In my ongoing effort to keep this collossus as well informed as possible, I am posting a link to the above referenced radio interview.

    [audio src="http://www.xxsportsradio.com/common/global_audio/40/2998.mp3" /]


  224. 228 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 13, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    From MLB trade rumors…
    4:14pm: Brown has a quote from Kevin Towers: “Nothing is close. I wouldn’t say we are even remotely close to pulling the trigger on anything with Jake.” But the question remains – are the Padres nearing a deal with the Braves?


  225. 229 Voice of Raisins November 13, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    And from the complete contradiction department, Tim Brown of Yahoo! Sports reported this tidbit about 40 minutes ago:

    The San Diego Padres have nothing on the table that would lead them to trade ace Jake Peavy anytime soon, general manger Kevin Towers said Thursday afternoon.

    “Nothing is close,” he said. “I wouldn’t say we are even remotely close to pulling the trigger on anything with Jake.”

    Barring a more aggressive tack by the teams both favored by Peavy and willing to deliver high-end players for him – so far only the Atlanta Braves and Chicago Cubs qualify – Towers is resigned to taking the Peavy talks into the early-December winter meetings and perhaps beyond.

    This is worse than Obama/McCain. At least with those two you knew when they were lying… (when their lips were moving…)


  226. 230 Voice of Raisins November 13, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    OK… 39 minutes ago… 😀


  227. 231 Voice of Raisins November 13, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    Ken Rosenthal:

    Sources: Braves would pursue Furcal after Peavy


  228. 232 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 13, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    Ha! Scooped ya for once! By two whole minutes! 😛


  229. 234 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 13, 2008 at 5:33 pm

    Man, that’s interesting! That will take some coin though….It would give us a proven leadoff hitter…one that is often injured though…


  230. 235 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 13, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    Just mentioning since these are the kind of trades that come next year I say, Hey, when did he become a Yankee??? Hope Betemit gets a real chance to play 3rd for the Sox…
    Yankees acquire Swisher, send Betemit and two pitchers to White Sox

    By Jerry Crasnick

    The Yankees traded infielder Wilson Betemit and minor league pitchers Jeff Marquez and Jhonny Nunez to Chicago in exchange for the switch-hitting Swisher and minor league pitcher Kanekoa Texeira.
    Swisher, 27, hit .219 with 24 home runs in 153 games with Chicago this season.
    Swisher is a potential first base candidate for the Yankees, who recently declined to exercise Jason Giambi’s $22 million option for 2009. He also played all three outfield positions for Chicago this season, and gives manager Joe Girardi another outfield option.



  231. 236 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 13, 2008 at 5:41 pm

    And I really don’t get this, but after trading for Kevin Gregg the Cubs will part ways with Kerry Wood! He took a discount to stay with them, proved he could stay fairly healthy and close, so they dump him??? Carlos Marmol in the 8th and Kerry Wood in the 9th, seems more scary than Gregg then Marmol….

    Will the Mets get in on Kerry Wood??? I have long rooted for him, but it would be mighty tough with him in a mutts uni….

    Not a boring day, even if we haven’t done anything….


  232. 237 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 13, 2008 at 5:43 pm

    And where’s Savannah Guy??? Did he say anything about going away for awhile????


  233. 238 Carolina Lady November 13, 2008 at 6:00 pm

    SG is juggling chain saws.


  234. 239 Carolina Lady November 13, 2008 at 6:06 pm

    Democrats, Obama Targeting Georgia

    Thursday, November 13, 2008 4:55 PM

    By: Jim Meyers

    Democrats and their allies are racing to sway a runoff in Georgia that could prove the key to controlling the Senate.

    The Barack Obama campaign has sent about 100 field organizers to Georgia to help with the party’s efforts.

    Wow, what did y’all do???


  235. 240 Voice of Raisins November 13, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    Can’t he find anything else to do out there on the coast? Boating? Fishing?Something?


  236. 241 Voice of Raisins November 13, 2008 at 6:08 pm

    100 field organizers

    Is that what was deployed in Philadelphia? Field organizers?


  237. 242 Carolina Lady November 13, 2008 at 6:11 pm

    Well, you know he likes to be different….. 😆


  238. 243 Gil in Mechanicsville November 13, 2008 at 6:57 pm

    Did they bring their billy clubs with them???


  239. 244 Carolina Lady November 13, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    Cammies, billy clubs, dread locks…..where did I see that before….?
    “Uhhhh, we with ….. security. Yeah, we security.”


  240. 245 Gil in Mechanicsville November 13, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    Want to bet Wren passes on Peavy? Sometimes a team can wait too long to pull the trigger and end up with nothing. I don’t know if San Diego is trying to up the ante or just seeing what Peavy will draw. I do know folks will move on to the next option if they feel they are being jerked around.

    Yep, $150 mil is chump change to the Yankees. They will make that in increased beer sales when C.C. pitches.

    The Marlins do well on TV because we old folks don’t do well in the heat and humidity. Besides, why drive to the game, shell out $50 bucks for tickets and a beverage when you sit in your lazy boy and crack open a six pack for a fraction of the cost. Not only that, but you can nod off from the 3rd to the 7th inning and not feel like you missed a thing.


  241. 246 Carolina Lady November 13, 2008 at 7:27 pm

    I kinda get that same feeling, Gil. SD has probably shot themselves in the foot on this one. Greed. Who’s next?


  242. 247 Gil in Mechanicsville November 13, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    t’was a busy day today for me… Rained all day so Josie and I went shopping. Plus got our flu shot, great luck on that one… County was running an EMS exercise and offered drive by flu shots to all county residents for free… Saved me about $50 which I promptly fed into the economy by purchasing things for the house decorations at Home Depot… See, you can spread the wealth around 🙂

    No wonder the stock market was up 500 points today.


  243. 248 Gil in Mechanicsville November 13, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    Now more baseball… Do we have a new left fielder yet????


  244. 249 Gil in Mechanicsville November 13, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    By the way… It would be a very bad investment to buy a Circuit City gift card this year…. Just saying…


  245. 250 Carolina Lady November 13, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    Cash always works. Always. 😀


  246. 251 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 13, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    Gil, gee I don’t know about that, all the stores are closing in the ATL, so stuff will be cheap…eventually…


  247. 252 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 13, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    Gil, been reading some comments from Cubs fans on MLB trade rumors and the usually unreliable Keith Law that the Cubs prospect Ceda is #2 in the their organization, and has much better stuff than Gregg.


  248. 253 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 13, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    Gil, been reading some comments from Cubs fans on MLB trade rumors and the usually unreliable Keith Law that the Cubs prospect Ceda is #2 in the their organization, and has much better stuff than Gregg.


  249. 254 flbravesgirl November 13, 2008 at 10:43 pm

    So who votes for the Silver Slugger Awards? And can they explain to me why exactly the NL batting champion is not worthy of a Silver Slugger in their eyes?!?


  250. 255 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 13, 2008 at 11:25 pm

    FLB, the only thing I can say is that
    Wright hit 33 HR’s and 124 RBI’s and Chipper hit 22 HR’s and 75 RBIs.


  251. 256 flbravesgirl November 13, 2008 at 11:25 pm

    Well, I’m happy for Mac anyway. Apparently his conference call was amusing. I’ll have to try to get hold of the ‘puter during daylight hours when I can turn on the speakers & listen to it.


  252. 257 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 13, 2008 at 11:30 pm

    Hey, more delay! Like V and Gil said, let’s just forget it.

    Towers might have to broaden scope of Peavy trade talks
    By Tom Krasovic

    Thursday, November 13, 2008

    The Padres have been unable to line up a suitable trade with one of Jake Peavy’s preferred teams and now may turn to another club in an attempt to move Peavy’s four-year, $63 million guarantee.

    “We’ve had advanced discussions with the Cubs and Braves, which are Jake’s priority teams,” General Manager Kevin Towers said Thursday night, “but at this point in time, I do not see a potential deal with either club.”

    The Yankees and Angels could be next in line. At season’s end, Peavy said he doesn’t want to go to an American League team, but during the GM meetings at Dana Point last week, Towers said Peavy might be open to going to the Yankees and Angels.

    If the Yankees and Angels become viable trade partners, Towers’ leverage would increase, but because Peavy’s consent is needed for a trade, that leverage is contingent on Peavy reversing his position. Barry Axelrod, Peavy’s agent, gave no indication Thursday night that Peavy suddenly has become excited about going to the AL, but he did not rule it out.


  253. 258 flbravesgirl November 13, 2008 at 11:31 pm

    Isn’t it supposed to be for the best over-all hitter at each position? Not just power?

    I can’t be impartial on this regardless. I just about gag when I see Wright’s name, he’s been hyped so much. And I hate that because it’s nothing to do with him personally. He’s a very good player & seems like a nice young man.


  254. 259 flbravesgirl November 13, 2008 at 11:35 pm

    I’ll ask again- Is anyone else ready to smack Towers & Axelrod upside the back of the haed?


  255. 260 flbravesgirl November 13, 2008 at 11:38 pm

    “haed” ??? Can I blame that on the cold medicine?


  256. 261 flbravesgirl November 14, 2008 at 12:20 am

    OK, time for some Stuff (still baseball-related). Y’all know my dad is retiring. He just got all his paperwork, etc. so it will be official Jan. 2. In the meantime he’s burning all his excess leave. His buddy Ralph, who has been a co-worker & good friend for many years, was off today & took him out for a celebratory lunch. He gave Dad a beautiful photo of Mantle & Maris standing together on the field at Yankee Stadium. Now Dad is a Braves/Red Sox fan but also a fan of those 2 greats & of the history of the game. Pretty nice gift, huh?


  257. 262 flbravesgirl November 14, 2008 at 12:25 am

    How many posts do you need for blog domination?


  258. 263 Carolina Lady November 14, 2008 at 12:32 am

    Go for it, girl!! You doin’ good!! 😆



  259. 264 flbravesgirl November 14, 2008 at 12:34 am

    Thanks, CL, but I’m about finished for the night. This darn cold is wearing me down.


  260. 265 Carolina Lady November 14, 2008 at 12:38 am

    I’m living on Sinutab myself! sniff, puff, sneeze, blow, over and over and over…. 😦 Allergies. Bah humbug!


  261. 266 flbravesgirl November 14, 2008 at 12:54 am

    Well, the allergies are ongoing for me too. I try to keep ’em under control. But this cold.. 😡 I actually feel a little better than the past 2 days except that my ears seem “plugged” & it made me wobbly all day. I’m naturally a klutz & messing with my equilibrium really throws a wrench into the works.


  262. 267 flbravesgirl November 14, 2008 at 1:00 am

    Time to try to snooze. Who’s manning the overnight shift?


  263. 268 ssiscribe November 14, 2008 at 1:01 am

    Top of the evening, good inhabitants of Stuffville. Actually, I guess it’s morning … lately, I can’t tell the day from the night.

    First and foremost, I wanted to update you on my dad. His treatments have been on and off for the past month. His blood count dropped too low for the docs to do chemo, but it bounced back this week, so he’s had chemo and radiation the past two days. We’re still optimistic about things, and his attitude has been really good.

    The hardest part has been seeing him lose all his hair and his beard … I haven’t seen my dad without a beard since I was in elementary school. We spent the weekend with my parents two weekends ago. It was a great weekend, even though Dad was short-tempered and tired. He’s still working as much as he can, and he’s very positive about things.

    Again, on behalf of my family, thanks so much for your prayers and well wishes.

    Now, baseball (noted transition from the Scribe): I think you gotta do the Peavy deal. Dude is coming into his prime, is on the cheap, has made 27-plus starts each of the past six seasons and is the warhorse this franchise needs at the top of the rotation.

    I contend — as I blogged about tonight — you have to try and sign a Lowe or a Burnett or a Dempster to go with Peavy at the top of the rotation. You put Peavy and a Lowe and a power-hitting LF on this team, and it’s an instant World Series contender in 2009.

    Hope all of you are well. CL, lemme know when you need a lede for the blog. One of our folks got let go this week. That means more work for me, but I’d rather have too much work than no work at all 🙂

    Stay upbeat, stay positive. It’s all gonna be fine at the finish line.

    The Scribe abides.



  264. 269 Gil in Mechanicsville November 14, 2008 at 6:16 am

    Sscribe… I is so good for you to drop by. I am glad your father is doing a bit better. We will continue to keep him in out thoughts and prayers.

    I think we are all in agreement about who the Braves need to go after but then again, I will bet that Wren is also looking at some other folks in case the Padres don’t want to dance. It is always good to have options.

    Plan B might be Tom Glavin for a final hoorah… or plan C…

    I don’t think there is any question the Braves need to replace Tex’s bat in the line-up. With so many moving parts, it is a matter of good fortune I think for a team to be there at the end.

    Look for the Rays to repeat in the AL East no matter what the Yanks and the Red Soxs do…


  265. 270 Voice of Raisins November 14, 2008 at 8:14 am

    G’morning all…

    Scribe: I am very glad to hear that your Dad is doing well under the circumstances. I’ll continue to lift him up in prayer.

    fbg: I, too, would like to smack both Axelrod and Towers in the haed.

    I am going to try to honor a self-imposed moratorium on reporting every shifting detail of the Peavy saga. There are more changing versions to this story than a campaign platform. I shall not utter the P-name again until a deal is struck with somebody.


  266. 271 Carolina Lady November 14, 2008 at 9:20 am

    ‘Morning, all!

    Scribe, you delight us by being here and you are SORELY missed!!!!! Sorry I haven’t had time lately to visit your sites – my cup overfloweth with obligations and health issues for the last several months. Much better now. Even slept pretty well last night – thanks to 3 Sinutabs…..
    When you have a moment (right!) send me the links so I can add them to our little Blog Roll. And a blog lead is appreciated at ANY time! Gil as been shouldering the load lately – and doing a really great job, I might add! Always has something worthwhile to say.

    Your Dad and your family remain in my daily prayers; it’s a tough battle but you are not alone!

    Raisins, I depend on you to keep me updated!!! Can’t quit now!!!
    OK, I give up: who is the Avatar?


  267. 272 Voice of Raisins November 14, 2008 at 9:24 am

    Just some guy gettin’ smacked upside the haed. (my favorite new expression on the blog) 😀


  268. 273 Carolina Lady November 14, 2008 at 9:27 am

    11/13/08 10:55 PM EST

    No movement on Peavy trade talks
    Padres have not asked right-hander to waive no-trade clause
    By Mark Bowman / MLB.com

    Alabama native Jake Peavy has said that he’d waive his no-trade clause to play in Atlanta. (Denis Poroy/AP)

    ATLANTA — When they have their first opportunity to openly negotiate with free agents on Friday, it appears the Braves will still be wondering if they’ll eventually land Jake Peavy.

    As of early Thursday evening, Peavy’s agent, Barry Axelrod, confirmed that the Padres still haven’t contacted him to ask Peavy to waive his full no-trade clause. Nor had he been given reason to believe Padres general manger Kevin Towers was necessarily nearing a point where he’d be making this request.

    In other words, there’s no reason to believe the Padres and Braves are currently close to completing a deal centered around Peavy. Both parties indicated this at different times on Thursday, and Towers made it clear Thursday night.

    “We’ve had advanced discussions with the Cubs and Braves, which are Jake’s priority teams,” Towers told the San Diego Union-Tribune on Thursday night, “but at this point in time, I do not see a potential deal with either club.”

    Thus the Braves may indeed enter the free-agent season not knowing exactly what they’re seeking. With or without Peavy, their primary goal will be to acquire two proven, veteran starting pitchers.

    Without any guarantee of adding Peavy to their rotation, the Braves will likely be more aggressive in their pursuits of Ryan Dempster, A.J. Burnett, Derek Lowe and Randy Wolf.

    If necessary, they have the financial resources to sign two of these free-agent starters. With any form of resolution to the Peavy negotiations, they would at least know exactly how much money they have to spend to fill their multiple needs, which extend beyond the starting rotation.

    The uncertainty about the Peavy deal also forces the Braves to wonder if they need to acquire a shortstop. To get Peavy, they would have to part ways with Yunel Escobar, who they once targeted to serve as their shortstop through at least the end of the 2013 season.

    If the Braves need to find a shortstop, they are confident they can find one outside their organization. They don’t seem too interested in providing an opportunity for Brent Lillibridge, who disappointed at Triple-A Richmond this year and then upset management by choosing not to play in any winter leagues.

    Rafael Furcal and Edgar Renteria are the two free-agent shortstops who would draw the most interest from the Braves, who are very familiar with both of these players. While playing in Atlanta earlier this decade, both Furcal and Renteria proved to proved to be a favorite among Braves players and fans.

    The Braves don’t seem to be too alarmed about the troubles Renteria experienced in Detroit this past season. Instead, they believe a move back to the National League would help rejuvenate the veteran shortstop, who hasn’t encountered much success during either of his two seasons in the American League.

    With uncertainty swirling about where he might pitch next year, Peavy has spent the past week in Puerto Rico, trying to avoid any stress. Axelrod said the 27-year-old pitcher has been purposely avoiding a number of calls and text messages from friends and media members.

    I just don’t understand Towers’ problem! He isn’t going to get anything better, I wouldn’t think. ❓


  269. 274 Carolina Lady November 14, 2008 at 9:31 am

    11/14/08 12:01 AM EST

    Braves ready to lure big-name pitchers
    Burnett, Dempster, Lowe on wish list as free agency begins
    By Mark Bowman / MLB.com

    ATLANTA — The Braves have made it known that they are interested in signing Ryan Dempster, A.J. Burnett or Derek Lowe. Now they have the opportunity to define better this level of interest.
    Major League teams are now permitted to begin open negotiations with all free agents. Before Friday, organizations had only been permitted to talk financial specifics with their respective free agents.

    Whether or not he lands Jake Peavy from the Padres, Braves general manager Frank Wren will attempt to sign one of the top available free-agent starting pitchers. CC Sabathia will likely prove too expensive. But Wren believes he has the financial resources to make competitive bids in pursuit of Dempster, Burnett and Lowe.

    “We’ll be as aggressive on the free-agent market as we’ve been on the trade market,” said Wren in reference to the determined attempts he’s made to land Peavy.

    While a member of the Marlins’ front office, Wren helped land both Dempster and Burnett via trades. Now he’s looking to acquire at least one of them to strengthen his rotation-reconstruction project. But luring them to Atlanta might not be easy.

    Dempster has expressed an interest to stay with the Cubs, and Burnett may want to play close to his Maryland home. The Yankees and Orioles are expected to be among the teams that will compete with the Braves for Burnett.

    As for Lowe, who produced a Major League-best 0.59 ERA for the Dodgers in September, he will turn 36 in June, and his agent, Scott Boras, is seeking a four-year deal. While Lowe’s age might prove to be a deterrent for some clubs, the Red Sox have reportedly already expressed interest in bringing the veteran sinkerballer back to Boston.

    The Braves have also entertained the idea of re-signing Mike Hampton, who will test the free-agent market before determining if he’ll return to Atlanta. The Astros are among the teams expected to lure Hampton, who began his career in Houston.

    Along with Hampton, the Braves have also said that they may be interested re-signing franchise icons John Smoltz and Tom Glavine. But both of these veteran starters underwent season-ending surgeries this year, and neither will attempt to throw until the latter part of December. If they are able to continue pitching at a desired level, both of these veterans have said they want to stay in Atlanta.

    After getting a better feel for their primary needs, the Braves could also make an attempt to re-sign left-handed reliever Will Ohman and utilityman Greg Norton, who proved to be a valuable pinch-hitter this past season. But with the Yankees having already signed left-handed reliever Damaso Marte to a three-year, $12 million deal, the Braves may find Ohman commanding more than they’re willing to pay.

    While Wren also is in pursuit of a power-hitting outfielder, he’s expected to attempt to fill this need via a trade. The Braves haven’t expressed much interest in the available free-agent outfielders.

    Mark Bowman is a reporter for MLB.com.


  270. 275 Gil in Mechanicsville November 14, 2008 at 9:54 am

    Funny thing about the Cubs… They are always trading away pitchers in their system who become stars for somebody else.

    I will bet there will be some kind of pressure from the teams who will potentially lose a free agent to the Braves because they will not get any draft picks in return. That might give the team an extra incentive to match or beat any Braves offer.


  271. 276 Voice of Raisins November 14, 2008 at 10:07 am

    I am going to do things that are very atypical of a person of, well, reason. #1, I am going to break my moratorium after only less than 2 hours. #2: I am going to make a bold prediction.

    Peavy will be a Brave, and it will be consumated very soon. The contradicting media reports are because these GM’s are very tight lipped, and it doesn’t benefit either team for any real info to get out. So, as the media tries to pry in, someone within the organization will toss out a bone just to back the guy off for a while. I bet they get a pretty good chuckle at all the different things written and said in the media.

    Also, Wren will land one of Burnett/Dempster/Lowe. I have nothing more to go on but gut feeling. That’s why it is completely unreasonable.

    Bold enough? (Man it feels weird out here on this limb…)


  272. 277 Carolina Lady November 14, 2008 at 10:10 am

    from SI Hot Stove Preview:

    Atlanta Braves

    What Do They Have?

    An extremely underrated young double-play combination is developing in shortstop Yunel Escobar and second baseman Kelly Johnson. The inimitable Chipper Jones, one of the greatest hitting machines of all time, is coming off of a season in which he set career-highs in average and OBP at age 36. Brian McCann is arguably the best offensive catcher in the majors and already on a Hall of Fame career trajectory at age 24. They have a promising 22-year-old starter in Jair Jurrjens, who anchored the rotation after the veterans went down. Top-notch outfield prospects Jordan Schafer and Jason Heyward are a duo which should be ready to take over in the next couple of years.

    What Do They Need?

    They have a shopping list of pitchers and outfielders. The team’s bullpen was a disaster: It registered only 26 saves all season, the lowest total in the majors, and contributed to Atlanta’s 11-30 record in one-run games, the second-worst mark in the last 70 years. The rotation, however, presents an even more pressing need. Tim Hudson is in the last year of his deal, but is out until at least next August after undergoing Tommy John surgery. Aging lions John Smoltz and Tom Glavine are in a similar position — the best-case scenario for Smoltz is a mid-season return following shoulder surgery, and Glavine is still undecided on whether to come back in the wake of his own arm operation. Behind Jurrjens the only starter under team control who pitched well last year is successful reclamation project Jorge Campillo. Atlanta will probably have to add two starters and some bullpen arms in order to take a serious run at disrupting the Philadelphia-New York axis atop the NL East. And then there’s the issue of the outfield, which produced a grand total of 27 home runs last year, an embarrassing number for a corps that two seasons before had more than three times as many.

    What Are They Likely To Do?

    The Padres are close to sending Jake Peavy to Atlanta for a multi-player package, which could include Escobar, center-field prospect Gorkys Hernandez and a pitcher. Atlanta is also believed to be the only team so far which has offered a major league contract to 22-year-old Japanese right-hander Junichi Tazawa, who bypassed the Japanese draft in order to begin his professional career stateside. Tazawa has been compared to Hudson and sports a mid-90s fastball, a splitter and an excellent curve. Bringing in Peavy and Tazawa and re-signing Hampton for the fifth spot would give the club an intriguing quintet heading into the season, and they also have plenty of depth at hand in the high minors. Peavy’s potential arrival only makes sense in tandem with a push for contention that includes adding a power-hitting outfielder, and a trade for St. Louis’s Ryan Ludwick has been rumored.

    What Should They Do?

    Staying the course would be the wise choice. Giving up Escobar and prospects for Peavy would be a mistake; Atlanta could be poised to begin a strong run centered around home-grown players a few years hence. They should focus efforts on acquiring Tazawa, bringing back Hampton on a one-year deal and letting top prospect Tommy Hanson compete for the fifth spot in the rotation this spring with the team’s other young starters. Regarding the outfield, Gregor Blanco and Josh Anderson can hold the fort in center field until Schafer is ready to take over — which might be sooner rather than later — and the team has little choice but to hope for the best with the enigmatic Jeff Francoeur in right. Bringing in a bat like Juan Rivera to play left would make sense.


  273. 278 Carolina Lady November 14, 2008 at 10:13 am

    Raisins, that ain’t nothin’! Going out on a limb is me saying that McCain would win! 😆 😆 😆


  274. 279 Voice of Raisins November 14, 2008 at 10:19 am

    I like the idea of Juan Rivera! I, myself, have mentioned his name a time or 2.

    Frenchfry shall henceforth be called “Franigma”. 😛


  275. 280 Carolina Lady November 14, 2008 at 10:32 am

    Just for smiles: (if you aren’t there yet, you will be.)

    Just before the funeral services, the undertaker came up to the very elderly widow and asked, ‘How old was your husband?’

    ’98,’ she replied.

    ‘Two years older than me’

    ‘So you’re 96,’ the undertaker commented.

    She responded, ‘Hardly worth going home, is it?


    Reporters interviewing a 104-year-old woman:

    ‘And what do you think is the best thing

    About being 104?’ the reporter asked.

    She simply replied, ‘No peer pressure.’


    The nice thing about being senile is

    You can hide your own Easter eggs.


    I’ve sure gotten old!

    I’ve had two bypass surgeries, a hip replacement,

    New knees, fought prostate cancer and diabetes

    I’m half blind,

    Can’t hear anything quieter than a jet engine,

    Take 40 different medications that

    Make me dizzy, winded, and subject to blackouts.

    Have bouts with dementia ..

    Have poor circulation;

    Hardly feel my hands and feet anymore.

    Can’t remember if I’m 85 or 92.

    Have lost all my friends.

    But, thank God,

    I still have my driver’s license.


    I feel like my body has gotten totally out of shape,

    So I got my doctor’s permission to

    Join a fitness club and start exercising.

    I decided to take an aerobics class for seniors.

    I bent, twisted, gyrated, jumped up and down, and perspired for an hour.

    But, by the time I got my leotards on,

    The class was over.


    My memory’s not as sharp as it used to be.

    Also, my memory’s not as sharp as it used to be.


    Know how to prevent sagging?

    Just eat till the wrinkles fill out.


    It’s scary when you start making the same noises

    As your coffee maker.


    These days about half the stuff

    In my shopping cart says,

    ‘ For fast relief..’



    Grant me the senility to forget the people

    I never liked anyway,

    The good fortune to run into the ones I do, and

    The eyesight to tell the difference.


  276. 281 Gil in Mechanicsville November 14, 2008 at 10:33 am

    better than “French Vanilla”…


  277. 282 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 14, 2008 at 10:45 am

    Scribe! Good seeing you again! I went through the whole Chemo/Radiation thing with my Mom, it sure isn’t any fun for the patient at all. Seeing my Mom without hair was tough. She didn’t even want us to see her without hair,always something on her head. Took awhile to convince her it wasn’t the big deal she thought it was.

    One thing I found out rather late is that those red blood cell shots(Forget what they are called) You can get them a few times a week. They are expensive, but if they help, push for them. For some reason, some folks don’t want you to know about this, and what is more important than the patient feeling fairly decent???

    Will keep praying for him, best of wishes!


  278. 283 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 14, 2008 at 10:48 am

    The back of the haed, she’s a hurtin’! :mrgreen:
    FLB’s gettin’ ready to live in the deep south, that’s all….


  279. 284 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 14, 2008 at 10:58 am

    Getting Peavy would make those free agents more likely to sign with us, IMHO.
    And Gil made a good point…what was it??? Oh yes, those teams that might be willing to let a guy go for draft picks, will likely fight hard if they think we are the team in the lead for A.J. or whomever….

    And CL, those are definitely :mrgreen:


  280. 285 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 14, 2008 at 12:25 pm

    Ok, color me confused(What color is confused anyway-blackish white?)

    Why would the Royals lose a 2nd round draft pick if they sign a type A free agent??? Is that what we would lose??? I thought it was straightforward. You are in the bottom half of the league, you don’t lose a draft pick!

    Ibanez May Be Too Pricey For Royals
    By Tim Dierkes [November 14 at 11:03am CST]

    According to Bob Dutton of the Kansas City Star, Royals officials view Raul Ibanez as the best free agent fit for them. However, they’re not likely to give him a three-year deal in the $10-12MM range. They’re also reluctant to surrender their second-round pick to the Mariners.

    Dutton says the Royals are “taking a hard look” at Rafael Furcal, who is the best available shortstop and doesn’t cost a draft pick. However, Dutton doesn’t see the Royals as the high bidder for Furcal either. The Giants, A’s, and Braves are eyeing Furcal, among others. Dutton sees the Royals adding a cheaper free agent, someone of the Nick Punto/David Eckstein variety.


  281. 286 Voice of Raisins November 14, 2008 at 1:03 pm

    Ibanez is a lefty. Braves need a righty…

    Almost sounds political, doesn’t it? 😀


  282. 287 Gil in Mechanicsville November 14, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    It’s all political… That’s why Lillibridge is in the doghouse…

    Maybe he doesn’t like Bobby calling him Lilly… Who knows why a player blossoms for one manager and wilts for another.. Chemistry?

    I have been helping the wife get the outside lights set up… Lots of parts of strings out, why is that? After all, they were all working when we took them down. Gremlins? Just another thing I suppose… We’ve add to the decorations this year. At some point we may make the “Tacky Lights” tour list..

    Uh.. any trade made yet???


  283. 288 Carolina Lady November 14, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    No news that I can find, Gil.

    BTW, photos are required of the decorations, you know! 😉

    One of my favorite photos is of the exterior of a house with a messy wad of Christmas lights dangling in one HUGE, tangled clump from the edge of the roof. The caption reads: OK. The outside lights are up!


  284. 289 Voice of Raisins November 14, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    Burnett Interested in Braves

    As of Friday afternoon, the Braves had only had some preliminary discussions with A.J. Burnett. But as the Jake Peavy trade negotiations drag out, they are looking at their other options and Burnett will be one of their primary targets as they attempt to significantly improve their starting rotation.

    Burnett’s agent, Darek Brauneker, said that the Braves are definitely a team that would interest his client, who certainly isn’t limiting his options to teams within close proximity to his Maryland home. Brauneker said Burnett has a high level of respect for manager Bobby Cox and the Braves organization.

    “I’ve never said that (Burnett) wanted to play closer to his home,” Brauneker said. “If all things are equal, including money and the competitive capability of the team, playing closer to home is always a good option. Does that preclude a club like Atlanta that’s closer to home? It doesn’t if you determine they are going to be competitive. That’s as much of a priority as proximity. Geography isn’t the issue that it’s been perceived to be.”

    The Braves will make a run at number of top free agents in attempt to land two top-caliber starting pitchers. Derek Lowe and Burnett appear to be their top two targets, ranking just ahead of Ryan Dempster.

    – Mark Bowman


  285. 290 Voice of Raisins November 14, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    Well… how ’bout sign both Burnett and Lowe, and smack Towers upside the haed. Keep Yunel, trade Kelly for a LF, resign Ohman and Norton and troll for a BUC. Here’s the thing, tough. If Hampton does not re-sign, you have to find a LHSP somewhere. We all keep talking about the “top 2” spots in the rotation, but we have to have at least 1 lefty in the rotation.

    So, for the sake of discussion, who do you acquire if Hampton goes elsewhere?


  286. 291 Gil in Mechanicsville November 14, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    Burnett and Lowe.. Yep.. That’s the ticket.


  287. 292 Gil in Mechanicsville November 14, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    Thing is, A good starting pitcher can get them all out… Nice to have a lefty, not a necessity…


  288. 293 Gil in Mechanicsville November 14, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    Just better make sure you have a strong defense on the right side of the infield.


  289. 294 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 14, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    Gil, did you see in a CL post up above how the Braves were PO’ed at Lillibridge for not wanting to play winter ball?? That seems like a big mistake for a guy 25 who had regressed….probably best to trade him and see if he blooms with some other team….


  290. 295 Gil in Mechanicsville November 14, 2008 at 5:12 pm

    Yep.. Lilly better have one heck of a spring because he is already on Bobby’s S*** list.


  291. 296 Gil in Mechanicsville November 14, 2008 at 5:59 pm

    Problem is, I think Escobar is too….


  292. 297 Gil in Mechanicsville November 14, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    I still say it would be a good trade for the Braves and the Marlins to swap Hermida for Escobar and some spare parts. Yes, I know Hermida is a higher rated player but the Marlins would not really experience a marked drop off in production and they would save a ton of money.

    I think it would benefit both clubs in the long run.


  293. 298 Carolina Lady November 14, 2008 at 6:04 pm

    I don’t think Bobby tolerates a certain ‘attitude’ very much. Some of these kids come up thinking they are hot-shots of some sort and the world should appreciate their mere presence. Don’t see much of that in the ATL clubhouse.


  294. 299 Gil in Mechanicsville November 14, 2008 at 6:06 pm

    Well, you need a certain amount of fire in the belly but I think Bobby feels Escobar still has a little too much bush league left in him.


  295. 300 Gil in Mechanicsville November 14, 2008 at 6:08 pm

    Wow, I just realized it’s Friday again already. Man… Time’s fun when you’re having flies 🙂 (With apologies to SG)


  296. 301 Carolina Lady November 14, 2008 at 6:08 pm

    Current temp here: 72 (low tonight 68)
    current temp in Anchorage: 27 (low tonight 19)

    I knew there was some reason the Lord put me where he did! 😆


  297. 302 Gil in Mechanicsville November 14, 2008 at 6:28 pm

    rainy and cold here 😦


  298. 303 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 14, 2008 at 6:31 pm

    Gil, do you mean Hermida for left, or Hanley in a straight up SS swap? I dfidn’t think Hermida made that much yet…


  299. 304 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 14, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    70 and gloomy here…just heard 40’s and windy this time tomorrow


  300. 305 flbravesgirl November 14, 2008 at 6:36 pm

    Scribe sighting! Woohoo!

    Will y’all be mad if I tell you we turned our AC back on yesterday? It turned sticky & I was having a hard time breathing.


  301. 306 flbravesgirl November 14, 2008 at 6:37 pm

    Wren is saying the Peavy deal is dead.


  302. 307 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 14, 2008 at 6:38 pm

    I dfidn’t think…when I typed that line…typing with on hand, eatin’ with the other…pretty good at it…

    FLB, we’ll cut you some slack….I just turned mine on sine after cookin’ it went from 76 to 78…too much for me!


  303. 309 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 14, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    R.I.P. Peavy deal, Oct 8th 2008-Nov 14th 2008 😥


  304. 310 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 14, 2008 at 6:44 pm

    Just guessing, datewise…does anyone care?? 😉


  305. 312 Carolina Lady November 14, 2008 at 6:50 pm

    That’s close enough for government work Ber! 😀


  306. 313 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 14, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    good thing, cuz thats all theres going to be in the future….


  307. 314 Carolina Lady November 14, 2008 at 7:50 pm


    Mark Bowman has a good article above on the trade situation. Quotes a “veteran Brave” (Chipper?) as saying he thinks the Padres will realize they won’t get a better offer and will make a deal.

    I’m sure glad Wrenn gave a deadline and stuck to it. After 8 weeks, the Pads knew what was what and had more than enough time to make up their minds. Enough is enough. Be interesting to see if SD comes a-calling later.


  308. 315 Gil in Mechanicsville November 14, 2008 at 7:51 pm

    Oops.. Yes Ber you are right, I really do need to be a little more accurate in my trade proposals… Could have been embarrassing when the wrong guy showed up in camp.

    Good for Wren, I would have like Peavy but no sense overpaying. Want to bet the Cubs are dancing in the street? That bargaining chip just disappeared from the Pades’ side of the table.

    And now I don’t have to re-write part IV… 🙂


  309. 316 Carolina Lady November 14, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    from the article:
    “For more than a month, Peavy has told friends that he was concerned that the Braves might not be able to compete in the National League East. Some Braves players were convinced that he was determined to be traded to the Cubs.”


  310. 317 Gil in Mechanicsville November 14, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    Like the Good Book says, “shake the dust from your feet and move on”… Help is on the way, his name is Hanson… 🙂


  311. 318 Carolina Lady November 14, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    OK, who’s next on the shopping list??


  312. 319 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 14, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    CL, I just had a feeling Peavy was a…a…fill in the blank. Phils are a challenge. Mets might be if they get some really big name, CC or Manny…then we are in trouble. Otherwise.
    The Phils only have one really good starter, and a bunch of #3, and #4’s.
    Challenges, but if we really do get 2 starters plus Hanson, we should be very competitive…


  313. 320 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 14, 2008 at 9:50 pm

    Who’s Next??? well…from MLB trade rumors…

    Burnett, Braves Have Mutual Interest
    By Tim Dierkes [November 14 at 1:47pm CST]

    According to MLB.com’s Mark Bowman, the Braves and A.J. Burnett have mutual interest. Preliminary talks have taken place. Burnett’s agent, Darek Braunecker, downplayed the idea that Burnett strongly desires to play closer to home. The Braves also like Derek Lowe and Ryan Dempster. They could try to sign two of the three if a Jake Peavy deal cannot be hammered out.

    Burnett has a four-year, $54MM offer from the Blue Jays to shop around. The Yankees should make an offer soon.


  314. 321 flbravesgirl November 14, 2008 at 11:22 pm

    Still think there’s a chance Towers will be calling Wren soon, trying to start this back up. I sure wouldn’t give him Yuni now.


  315. 322 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 14, 2008 at 11:44 pm

    But, who do we offer then? They only want cheap, cheap players….if we pull Yunel, then the Cub offer would look better I’d imagine….


  316. 323 flbravesgirl November 15, 2008 at 12:10 am

    Don’t know, Ber. Morton/JoJo, Boyer, Gorkys + prospect (Locke was mentioned most often). Offer them that as a starting point then see if you need to put Yuni in place of one of them. But I would not come back with the same offer they left on the table right from the get-go.


  317. 324 Gil in Mechanicsville November 15, 2008 at 5:29 am

    Problem might be if the Padres wait too long, it might put Atlanta in a difficult position as far as finding another shortstop. Easier to make a deal to replace Yunel now than late in the spring.

    Question… how come there are no Japanese players who play shortstop in the majors?


  318. 325 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 15, 2008 at 7:41 am

    because they are too tall for the position??? 😛


  319. 326 Gil in Mechanicsville November 15, 2008 at 9:48 am

    Ah So Berigan… Sake to me… 🙂


  320. 327 Gil in Mechanicsville November 15, 2008 at 10:15 am

    I have been dwelling over this whole Jake Peavy thing as well as the statements made by some of the agents concern about wanting to play on a winner… and not being sure about Atlanta’s chances in the NL East.

    Well, I have stated this before but to me it stands repeating that I would much rather have a player with the attitude that he wants to be the guy who makes a club into a winner than a guy who wants to join a club that is a winner.

    Atlanta is a franchise that knows what it takes to win but for the past few years have failed to a verity of reasons not all of their making. Three years ago it was a horrible bullpen, then two years ago the starting rotation went into a tail spin, then last year the offense failed to show up. The then the pitching staff as a whole had a collective “M.A.S.H.” moment….

    I don’t think it has really been the front office, I think all the good luck the Braves had was used up and bad karma caught up with them. That is much different from teams like the Pirates or the Reds who play for half a season and then dump players wholesale. Anyway, it’s all about pitching… but not wholly about pitching, just 75%… The rest is timely hitting, solid defense, smart managing and luck.


  321. 328 Carolina Lady November 15, 2008 at 10:58 am

    I agree with your perspective on Peavy, Gil. He’s not willing to invest his time and energy in helping create a winning team. Not an attitude that impresses me. Your earlier Biblical analogy is right on!


  322. 329 Carolina Lady November 15, 2008 at 11:03 am

    from MLB.com:

    Even as they pursue free agent starting pitchers CC Sabathia, Derek Lowe and A.J. Burnett, the Yankees could also have an eye on Padres’ right-hander Jake Peavy.

    FoxSports.com reports the Yanks and Padres have had “numerous discussions” about Peavy, according to a Major League source. The Braves recently announced they were pulling out of trade discussions for Peavy.

    With Peavy having a full no-trade clause and expressing a strong preference to stay in the NL according to agent Barry Axelrod, a trade to an AL club could get complicated. The Cubs remain involved in trade speculation regarding Peavy, but that could end if Chicago is successful in re-signing right-hander Ryan Dempster.

    The NYY remind me of the federal government: spend, spend, spend – regardless of the success or failure – just keep spending more and more and more. Surely if it costs more, it’s better. Right?


  323. 330 Gil in Mechanicsville November 15, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    Big government, big franchise… same, only different


  324. 331 Salty November 15, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    Why not have MLB ask the Yanks who they want to buy, then the Red Sox, and once they’ve gotten who they want, or be turned down, the rest of baseball can go about the un-free agent process.

    Actually, don’t be surprised if some teams paint themselves into a difficult spot. On the one hand the Yanks might be able to corner the market and get all the FA’s they want below stratospheric market prices. FA’s will perceive the best offers come from NYY, NYM, and Boston, so they jump if they’re ‘money-first’ motivated. The problem is, if they and the Mets spend like crazy, but folks can’t afford tix for those new stadiums, they’re going to be stuck with what they have for a few years. Might not be so pleasant in a couple of years.


  325. 332 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 15, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    Lots of baseball stuff on mlbtraderumors.com , some involving us…I hope Olney’s wrong about AJ. His whole article is hidden behind the pay wall….

    Olney On Braves, Peavy, Burnett
    By Ben Nicholson-Smith [November 15 at 1:13pm CST]

    Buster Olney writes that the Braves are still the best fit for Jake Peavy, even if they are apparently moving on for the time being. Olney argues that “both sides need this trade.”

    The Braves will not bid on C.C. Sabathia, and Olney thinks they’ll have a tough time signing A.J. Burnett.

    If the Braves can’t sign Burnett, Olney suggests Jon Garland, Oliver Perez and Ryan Dempster as alternatives.

    The Braves have already had preliminary discussions with Burnett’s agent, Darek Brauneker.


  326. 333 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 15, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    If you ask me(Wait, no one did-eh, so what, I’m still going forward with it)
    The Yankees are much more successful spending like drunken sailors, than the Government.
    They have tried to develop their own talent the last few years. They may have traded for guys with high contracts (Bobby Abreu for example) but they haven’t traded the kids for Santana, or signed a bunch of expensive guys…til this offseason. The young pitchers in their system don’t impress me. Phil Hughes the untouchable guy…well, he might be ok some day, but he reminds me of a typical braves pitching prospect.(Until Hanson) Low 90’s fastball, breaking stuff…you know, the kind of guy you can’t turn into a relief pitcher because his stuff isn’t good enough 🙄
    So, The Yankees are going back to what has worked(at times) in the past, and like us are turning to the free agent market. Really if you look at it, they have been very smart with contracts, in the Olney article I’m going to post in a second, they have something like 80 Million coming off the books, and the crazy revenue from a new stadium! Will we get a cut of the luxury tax they will have to pay? 😛
    I’ll hate them at the end of the year, but they need to compete, to keep all that money rolling in, they are a 3rd place team right now…


  327. 334 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 15, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    Hey lookie here, an article from ESPN that you can read all of…It’ll make you all warm and fuzzy. Wren better act fast!!! Of course the best deal can always be beaten, hopefully some folks want to play here, and a million or 10 won’t make that big a deal…

    Yankees can have whatever they want

    Friday, November 14, 2008

    When a superstar like Jennifer Lopez wants to shop in a jewelry store, they’ll sometimes close down the place, so J-Lo can have her choice of all the baubles in the place, unfettered, unbothered, a market of one.

    And as baseball’s free agent period begins, think of the Yankees as J-Lo.

    More than $80 million in expiring contracts is coming off their books, and millions more will be pouring in when the new Yankee Stadium opens next year, at a time when most other teams are fretting about the economy. If they want Mark Teixeira, they have the financial might to crush offers from other teams — but it seems as if they like Teixeira, but not to the point where they’ll make him a 10-year offer.

    No, they’ve got their eye on the biggest free-agent prize on the diamond, a player with a glistening record as a pitcher and as a person: CC Sabathia.

    As the saying goes, if you have to look at the price tag, you probably can’t afford the cost, and other teams will shudder at the Sabathia price tag, as set by the Yankees. Today, they are expected to offer Sabathia a record-setting deal, right out of the gate.

    The highest multi-year deal ever given to a pitcher was signed by Johan Santana. For six years, he received a deal that in present-day value is gauged at about $20.5 million per year; on its face, without accounting for the loss of value because of deferred money, the Santana contract was for $137.5 million.

    No matter which standard you want to use, the Yankees intend to surpass it. The deal they will offer Sabathia will be for more than the present-day value of $20.5 million per year, and it will be worth more than the $137.5 million, with deferrals included. The Yankees’ first offer will be for something in the range of $140-$142 million.

    They know they have to take it to that level. They know that there will be a New York surcharge for them to lure Sabathia out of his home state, away from the Dodgers or the Angels or the Giants. They know that they may have to increase their initial offer.

    Folks with other teams don’t know how Sabathia possibly can turn down the Yankees’ offer. But regardless of whether the Yankees sign him or not, their intention is to plow ahead and pursue other pitchers, as well. If they can sign Sabathia and A.J. Burnett, they will do so. If they can sign Sabathia and Derek Lowe, they will do it. If they can sign Burnett and Lowe, they will do it. If they can sign Sabathia and Burnett and Lowe, they will do it. If they can sign Sabathia, Burnett and Andy Pettitte, they will do that. They have the room to themselves, and their choices will largely dictate what leftovers will remain for others to choose from.

    The Jays will have to sit and wait for A.J. Burnett to make a decision, writes Richard Griffin. The acquisition of Nick Swisher is only the latest sign that the Yankees’ pursuit of Teixeira will be measured; they will have their limits, which might be for a six-year deal for something in the area of $18 million a year. And Scott Boras has indicated to interested parties that he wants a 10-year deal.

    The deal shows that Brian Cashman values payroll flexibility, writes Ken Davidoff.

    Each offseason move impacts others that will follow, but with that in mind, here’s a guesstimate as to where the top free agents will land:

    Sabathia: Yankees

    Teixeira: Angels

    Burnett: Yankees

    Manny Ramirez: Nationals

    • One more general manager indicated privately that the strategy of his team has changed over the past six weeks, as the economic signs have worsened. At one point, the intention of this executive was to aggressively shop this winter, but now, he says, “We’re going to be very careful. We probably will just sit back and wait.” As mentioned Thursday, a different GM guesstimates, based on his conversations with teams throughout baseball, that about 20 clubs will have their options altered for the worse by the economy.



  328. 335 Salty November 15, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    Uh…everytime someone mentions AJ, I get all confused! 🙄 Andruw is the first person that comes to mind.


  329. 336 Gil in Mechanicsville November 15, 2008 at 5:00 pm

    You cannot outbid someone with deeper pockets than you, you can only make them spend more than they wanted to.


  330. 337 Carolina Lady November 15, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    last 2 paragraphs from an article by Mark Bradley (ajc):

    The Braves didn’t lose 90 games just by getting unlucky. They lost 90 games because they went too long without developing a Peavy of their own. (And it’s only through Wren’s deft trade of Edgar Renteria that they have Jair Jurrjens.) Their aging pitchers finally broke down, and there wasn’t a yet a next wave behind them. Hanson and Jurrjens and maybe Charlie Morton could be that next wave, but the Braves know better than anyone the cost of buying age with youth.

    In August 1987 they traded Doyle Alexander to Detroit, where he went 9-0 and helped win a division title. The kid pitcher the Braves got for Alexander is bound for Cooperstown. Maybe Tommy Hanson will turn out to be more a Pete Smith than a John Smoltz, but in all of baseball there’s still no greater commodity than young pitching. Give Wren credit for hoarding his. Give Wren credit for not making the best trade he’ll ever not make.


  331. 338 Gil in Mechanicsville November 15, 2008 at 10:37 pm

    Well CL. Tornadoes in Wilson NC today… The films looked pretty devastating. We had a tornado watch in effect until 7 PM tonight but thankfully just some showers.

    I was reading a great quote today from Jim Bowden, the GM for the Nats. He was talking about the trade Washington made with Florida last week but I think it could apply to every trade and it helps to keep thing in perspective.

    “A trade is all about risk,” general manager Jim Bowden said. “It’s about financial risk. It’s about health risk. It’s a chance-to-get-to-the-big leagues risk. There’s a lot of risk that both clubs have to weigh in this transaction. That’s why it took a while to come to conclusion. But [Florida] got three good players from us. We got two good players from them. It was a good baseball trade, I think, for both organizations.”


  332. 339 Carolina Lady November 15, 2008 at 11:01 pm

    Yeah, there were some SE of Raleigh last night. Some pretty rough stuff but it seems to be passing just to the west of this location. Winds here are out of the SSW gusting to 37 ( 😯 ) and temp has dropped from 75 to 57. You think there might be a cold front coming in??

    Bowden is right: it IS risk on all sides. No guarantees. I really hope Wrenn can sign Lowe, Dempster and I don’t know who.


  333. 340 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 16, 2008 at 12:42 am

    CL, :mrgreen:
    (Ber, I changed my mind and edited it out. CL 🙂 )


  334. 341 Savannah Guy November 16, 2008 at 7:45 am

    Top ‘o the mornin’ fellow Stuffians. Long time no see. Missed ya, mean it.

    Quite a cold front blew in last night. Felt like a Canadian Clipper here on the coast, blowin’ like a freight train and all. Good riddance humidity. Love these cold blasts. Hopefully we’ll have a nice cold winter. Snow for Christmas? This old southern boy would love it. Haven’t had that since, uh, I think ’89… six inches on Christmas eve. Brought out the ‘kid’ in the whole town.

    Seems like the old baseball hot stove and the yearly chess game for starting pitchers is in full burn, full strategy mode, but I just can’t get myself to get all jacked up or care all that much this year. Maybe if I get a sniff of sumpin’ unique I’ll toss another chunk of wood in there. Glad somebody does tho, ’cause it makes good readin’ and good ponderin’ on occasion.

    Speaking of stoves and chess games for SP’s, my attitude is… Peavy schmeavy. When the Braves get ink on a good arm, I’ll be glad. When they show up in camp this Spring I’ll root for the one’s with the Tomahawk on their chest.


  335. 342 Gil in Mechanicsville November 16, 2008 at 10:14 am

    Good morning all… Honestly, I don’t know why I watch the Sunday morning news shows, they just get me angry at the “know-it-all” pundits who I doubt have ever had to actually do an honest day’s work in their life. Pontificating from their ivory towers while we mere citizens suffer from their inane pronouncements. A pox on all their houses….

    Hind sight is 20-20 isn’t it? Could-a should-a would-a… And we’ll all be rich….
    Okay, I knew I shouldn’t have looked at my 401K statement this morning… I feel like I have just been taken by the traveling snake oil salesman.

    C.C. better take the Yankees’ offer of $130 million and try to get as much of it as he can up front because a whole lot of changes are coming.


  336. 343 Carolina Lady November 16, 2008 at 10:24 am

    According to MLB.com, the Cubs want Peavy, Dempster and/or Randy Johnson. 😕


  337. 344 Gil in Mechanicsville November 16, 2008 at 10:58 am

    I want a new pick up truck but I don’t think that is going to happen either…


  338. 345 Gil in Mechanicsville November 16, 2008 at 11:06 am

    I was looking at the list of possible free agent pitchers and I think maybe I would be very afraid to take a chance on a guy over 40. The Braves already have some of those with whom to take a chance. Atlanta might be better off pulling another trade like the one with Detroit last year.

    I wish I could give some encouragement by saying there were some real stellar prospects in Richmond ready to make an impact but I can’t. Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and wait for your own players to grow into the role.


  339. 346 Salty November 16, 2008 at 11:46 am

    Well, Gil, at some point down the road, there will be some talent in Richmond ready to make an impact…but it won’t be doing the Braves any good! 🙄


  340. 347 Gil in Mechanicsville November 16, 2008 at 12:01 pm

    Right you are Salty… but it will most likely come from VCU or Univ. of Richmond…


  341. 348 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 16, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    Hey SG! Good “seeing” you again! I’d love a white Christmas here as well! Since living in the ATL, I have seen it snow around Thanksgiving several times, then be in the 50’s on and around Christmas. 😕 I really don’t see the point of cold if it doesn’t snow. yeah, it kills off some skeeters, and other bugs(or at least puts them underground….


  342. 349 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 16, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    Don’t lose him Wren!!!The Cardinals are moving in on free agent Will Ohman, according to Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post Dispatch, and are reportedly interested in Jeremy Affeldt and Arthur Rhodes.



  343. 350 Gil in Mechanicsville November 16, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    Yes, there is always a wolf at the back door of the hen house. Just as soon as you turn your back, **poof**…. another one of your chickens is gone.


  344. 351 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 16, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    But…butt…we are supposed to be the wolf this year! 😥


  345. 352 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 16, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    no buts about it, I cannot type!


  346. 353 Carolina Lady November 16, 2008 at 6:00 pm

    Watch your butt, Ber! 😆


  347. 354 Savannah Guy November 16, 2008 at 7:21 pm

    Butt you better watch those if’s and and’s too.


  348. 355 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 16, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    CL, not flexible enough! 😉


  349. 356 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 16, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    Well, AJC sure is a like a well oiled swiss watch, eh what??? DOB’s blog has been down for what 2 1/2 days??? Strange….it would be classic if we had gotten Peavy, and no one could talk about it there…


  350. 357 Carolina Lady November 16, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    Wonder if he’s getting burned out on it? Thought Rogers was the back-up. Must not be. Haven’t been there in a long time so I’ve lost track.

    Went to see what was doing at Chop Chick’s place – it was last updated September 15. 😕

    Early night for me. I worked until after 2 am, got to sleep something after 3; but the dratted clock still went off on time. It’s been a looooooong day! 😆

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ‘night!


  351. 358 Gil in Mechanicsville November 16, 2008 at 10:28 pm

    Hail to the Redskins, Hail victory….
    Braves on the warpath, fight for old D.C. 🙂


  352. 359 flbravesgirl November 16, 2008 at 11:19 pm

    Cold front came through here too. We went from warm & humid enough to need the AC yesterday to pulling out the long jammies & fuzzy socks tonight. Supposed to be in the 40s tonight, which is practically Arctic conditions for here. Snow forecasted for Tiger tomorrow. Wish I was there!


  353. 360 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 17, 2008 at 6:41 am

    Brad Penny has rubbed me the wrong way for some reason, but he might be a bargain this off season. Then again, his arm may be shot…should we take a chance on him????

    Penny, Big Unit could be free-agent bargains


  354. 361 Salty November 17, 2008 at 7:39 am

    I’m sorry, Free Agent bargains gives me pause…rather like hoping a heart attack is really heartburn. Besides…how does one define ‘bargain’, anyway?


  355. 362 Gil in Mechanicsville November 17, 2008 at 8:12 am

    Brad Penny, not worth a red cent?


  356. 363 Voice of Raisins November 17, 2008 at 8:17 am

    Will union push Sabathia to take Yankees’ offer?

    The Yankees may have an unseen ally in their bid to sign CC Sabathia: pressure from the marketplace. Does the superstar pitcher have to take the highest bid this winter – the Yanks have already made a record six-year, $140 million offer and negotiating hasn’t even begun – in order to set the bar high for the free-agent pitching market? Whether it is suspicion or reality, some in the baseball industry believe Sabathia has a responsibility to other players and the Players Association to accept the biggest offer, which perhaps would lead to bigger contracts for other top free-agent pitchers. If he accepts a lower deal to stay in Milwaukee or go to the West Coast, where he’s from, he might fix the pitching market at a lower price. The Angels and Dodgers are perceived to be the Yankees’ primary competition for Sabathia, but Mark Teixeira seems to be the Angels’ priority and the Dodgers may prefer to re-sign Manny Ramirez. If they both sign their top priorities, can either afford Sabathia, too? The San Francisco Giants – Sabathia was born in nearby Vallejo – have contacted his agents, according to news reports, but can they afford a nine-figure deal for Sabathia while much of Barry Zito’s $126 million contract is still on their books? –New York Daily News

    Nice to know that CC’s “free” agency is anything but free for either the teams or CC, huh? I cannot decide whom I despise more, the MLBPA or Scott Boras. Both are slowly destroying the national pastime. If this hot stove season turns into a NYY spendfest with everyone else picking through the leftovers, it could well be the first shoe to drop in turning even me away from it. No offense Gil, but I am really glad to have AAA baseball nearby. I may turn completely to them before it’s all said and done. Then again, the UGA Bulldogs are only 20 minutes down the road. If they could just get rid of that annoying “tink“…


  357. 364 Gil in Mechanicsville November 17, 2008 at 8:20 am

    Signing aging free agents to anything other than a performance based contract is like thinking you are going to win playing the trifecta. Yes, it happens but the odds are so poor you may as well invest in the stock market.

    Same, but different…


  358. 365 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 17, 2008 at 8:28 am

    Brad Penny, or Bad Penny????


  359. 366 Gil in Mechanicsville November 17, 2008 at 8:30 am

    Raisins, you are really going like AAA baseball. Cheap, relatively speaking other than the concessions but you can be so close to the action even from the bleachers. You get to see some pretty good baseball, as well as some bad baseball… hey, they aren’t all gems… Anyway, It gives you a pretty good gauge on who is up and coming and who is just cannon fodder.

    It can be frustrating watching some high priced kid falling on their face while better players who make less money and so the team has less invested are force to sit. You will become very familiar with the concept of “being given the opportunity to fail”.


  360. 367 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 17, 2008 at 8:31 am

    Me tire…I want to hear about an amazing trade we pulled off by the time I wake up. Make it so.


  361. 368 Gil in Mechanicsville November 17, 2008 at 8:31 am

    Ber, Penny always gets great press but it seems to me he is always hurt…


  362. 369 Voice of Raisins November 17, 2008 at 8:42 am

    I am glad to see that Frank Wren has the wherewithall to tell Towers to take a hike. Had he continued to spin on Towers’ merry-go-round, it would have sent a very negative message to all other GMs that the Braves have become a weak organization.

    Bravo the the new homeboy upstairs.


  363. 370 Voice of Raisins November 17, 2008 at 8:44 am

    …um… how ’bout-

    Bravo to the new homeboy upstairs.



  364. 371 Carolina Lady November 17, 2008 at 8:56 am

    On signing for the most money regardless of other considerations, that’s what Glavine (union) went for. I wouldn’t allow any entity to dictate where I work and live. And ‘dictate’ is the operative word – as in ‘dictatorship’.


  365. 372 Gil in Mechanicsville November 17, 2008 at 8:57 am

    As much as I would have liked Peavy pitching in Atlanta, Wren did the right thing. We will see if anyone else blinks.

    A lot of teams not the Yankees I don’t think will be inclined to dig too deep in this time of recession. I expect a lot of corporate sponsorships to be redacted. To tell the truth, if my 401K takes much more of a hit, I may have to really cut back too. A lot of frills need to be cut from the budget. Heck, I may even have to sell some of my cars. 😦


  366. 373 Carolina Lady November 17, 2008 at 8:59 am

    Japanese pitcher Kawakami a free agent, open to MLB
    Nov. 15, 2008 CBSSports.com wire reports

    NAGOYA, Japan — Japanese pitcher Kenshin Kawakami will exercise his right to become a free agent, opening the door for a possible move to the U.S. major leagues.

    “I want to see how other teams evaluate me,” Kawakami said at a press conference Saturday. “For the past five or six years, I became interested in seeing if I can play in the majors.”

    The 33-year-old right-hander spent his entire career with the Chunichi Dragons of Japan’s Central League, posting a record of 112 wins against 72 losses over 11 seasons.

    In 2004, Kawakami won the Sawamura Award, Japan’s version of the Cy Young Award for league’s best pitcher.

    He was 9-5 with a 2.30 ERA and 112 strikeouts in 20 games this season for the Dragons.


  367. 374 Gil in Mechanicsville November 17, 2008 at 8:59 am

    CL… The Yankees are just trying to “spread their wealth around” 🙂


  368. 375 Gil in Mechanicsville November 17, 2008 at 9:04 am

    And think of the business opportunities… He could open a string of Japaneses steak houses/sports bars in the city he signs with….. Could be bigger than Michael Jordan… well, maybe not that big, but still…


  369. 376 Gil in Mechanicsville November 17, 2008 at 9:05 am

    CL. Wouldn’t the team that signs him have to bid to the Japaneses league for signing rights?


  370. 377 Gil in Mechanicsville November 17, 2008 at 9:06 am

    A 2.30 era and still 9-5… Wow, talk about no support…


  371. 378 Voice of Raisins November 17, 2008 at 9:08 am

    Gil, if I were a betting man, which I am not, I would still bet that Peavy ends up wearing the tomahawk. Towers is not dealing from a position of strength, and may have crapped out when Frank turned his back. I doubt Wren will offer the same package next time around. I’ll bet the 4th player is dropped from the next offer, and it’ll still be the best offer SD receives. It’ll also probably be too late for SD to address other needs. I think Kevin Towers’ game playing backfired on him.


  372. 379 Carolina Lady November 17, 2008 at 9:08 am

    Nov. 14, 2008 CBSSports.com wire reports

    PHILADELPHIA — The Philadelphia Phillies are raising ticket prices for next year after winning their first World Series title since 1980.

    Most tickets will increase by $2 or $3 in 2009 and top premium seats will cost $50, an increase of $6. Prices for season tickets range from just over $1,300 to $4,100.


    Nov. 14, 2008 CBSSports.com wire reports

    LOS ANGELES — Forget Dodger Blue. This is Dodger Green — as in $90 for a spring training ticket.

    That’s what the Dodgers will charge for 692 top seats at their new spring home in Glendale, Ariz. Last year, their highest-priced exhibition ticket was $20 at Vero Beach, Fla.

    The team’s chief operating officer believes the perks of the new tickets — including cool, scented towels — will make the cost worthwhile for hard-core fans who can afford them.


  373. 380 Voice of Raisins November 17, 2008 at 9:09 am

    Gil, invest your 401K funds in cool, scented towels! Quick!


  374. 381 Gil in Mechanicsville November 17, 2008 at 9:11 am

    Earth to MLB…Earth to MLB… We are in a recession here…


  375. 382 Gil in Mechanicsville November 17, 2008 at 9:12 am

    No offense but for $90 they better offer a lap dance too…


  376. 383 Voice of Raisins November 17, 2008 at 11:14 am

    Now that Frank has called off the circus, all information streams have dried up like Lake Lanier. There is seemingly nothing happening anywhere…


  377. 385 Gil in Mechanicsville November 17, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    Yep. not much of a bidding war when there is only one bidder…


  378. 386 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 17, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    You know, with Peavy being so “cheap”, it would make sense for more teams to be in on him, and they aren’t. Why aren’t the Cards, Mets, Phils, Diamondbacks, Brewers, etc in on him??? Sure, some of those teams wouldn’t have the prospects, but heck, he’d be cheaper than CC or even Sheets to the Brewers, and there has been talk that they might trade Prince Fielder for Matt Cain, so why not Peavy??? Not Fielder, but they sure are loaded with middle infielders.

    And why would Peavy fear Boston but not the Yankees??? Sinker pitchers can’t fear that wall. The whole thing is weird.


  379. 387 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 17, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    Posted before reading Bowman…still wonder if injury concerns(Just saw that Carroll mentioned this on a new blog) are not fueling some of the other teams not just coming up with offers to see if he would go to their team. His sub 3.00 4 of the past 5 years should bring a lot of folks out of the woodwork, you’d think.


  380. 388 Voice of Raisins November 17, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    Braves make offer to Ohman

    The Braves have said they are interested in re-signing Will Ohman and they further proved this on Monday, when they provided the left-handed reliever a contract offer. While terms of the offer weren’t revealed, Ohman viewed it as a sign that he’s wanted in Atlanta.

    “It was a strong offer intended to show me that they’d like to have me back,” said Ohman, who made a career-high 83 appearances for the Braves this past season. “I’ve talked to my agent and we’ve agreed that once you file for free agency, you just have to let everything run its course. I think I’d be remiss not to listen to what else is out there.”

    With at least 10 teams having already expressed interest, Ohman is hoping to receive a contract similar to the ones fellow left-handed relievers, Jeremy Affeldt and Damaso Marte, have signed over the past week. Marte gained a three-year, $12 million contract from the Yankees and Affeldt signed a two-year, $8 million deal with the Giants. — Mark Bowman


  381. 389 Gil in Mechanicsville November 17, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    I’ll bet $10 to a krispy kreame that the Braves off was in the $3 million a year range. Will see how much Ohman likes Atlanta. A million bucks is a lot of loot to leave on the table.

    On Peavy, I still like him but the elbow thing along with Atlanta’s history of hurlers who have an ailing elbow with nothing apparent on the MRI has been pretty dismal lately.

    I wonder if John Smoltz feels like he really gave up a lot when he sees all that cash being thrown around?


  382. 390 Gil in Mechanicsville November 17, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    And Jermain Dye in the outfield… well, why not?


  383. 391 Voice of Raisins November 17, 2008 at 5:44 pm

    So, I either get $10 or a Krispy Kreme doughnut? I’m in!


  384. 392 Voice of Raisins November 17, 2008 at 5:47 pm

    Dye seems to fit the mold of what the Braves want/need better than anyone else on the market. Right handed hitting veteran LF who hit 34 HR’s last season and isn’t looking for a long term commitment. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if Frank pursues him.


  385. 393 Gil in Mechanicsville November 17, 2008 at 5:47 pm

    no, you would get the $10… I would get the donut… same as a collar.. but different..

    And there is some justice in this world… I see Abert Pujols won his second MVP award. Let the crying in Philly begin.


  386. 394 Voice of Raisins November 17, 2008 at 5:48 pm

    Yea! Pujols led his team to… uh, nowhere. I guess I don’t get the whole MVP thing…


  387. 395 Carolina Lady November 17, 2008 at 5:52 pm

    Japanese team drafts teen girl

    16-year-old Eri Yushida was drafted by the Kobe 9 Cruise
    Yushida is a right-handed pitcher and throws a sidearm knuckleball

    TOKYO (AP) — A 16-year-old schoolgirl is making a unique pitch to become the first woman to play professional baseball in Japan.

    High school student Eri Yoshida was drafted by the Kobe 9 Cruise, a professional team in a new independent Japanese league that will start its first season in April.

    “I always dreamed of becoming a professional,” Yoshida, who is 5-feet (152-centimeters) tall and weighs 114 pounds (52 kilograms), told a news conference Monday. “I have only just been picked by the team and haven’t achieved anything yet.”

    Yoshida throws a side-arm knuckleball and says she wants to follow in the footsteps of Boston Red Sox pitcher Tim Wakefield, who has built a successful major league career throwing a knuckleball.

    Yoshida took part in a tryout held earlier this month and passed with flying colors. The right-hander held male batters hitless for one inning in the tryout and her successful outing helped her become one of the 33 players picked in the draft.

    Copyright 2008 Associated Press.


  388. 396 Gil in Mechanicsville November 17, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    I think what he did was tremendous considering who he had around him. Personally, I always have felt the MVP should go to the best player in the league… he fits that bill perfectly.


  389. 397 Carolina Lady November 17, 2008 at 5:54 pm

    Hall of Fame schedules replacement game for 2009

    COOPERSTOWN, N.Y. (AP)—Baseball’s legends and old-timers will play in a new Hall of Fame Classic that officials hope will become a tradition.

    The inaugural Hall of Fame Classic will be held on June 21—Father’s Day and the first day of summer. It will replace the Hall of Fame game, discontinued this season after 68 years because of scheduling problems.

    “We’re honored to be a part of this,” said Hall of Famer Brooks Robinson, who is president of the Major League Baseball Players Alumni Association, which is working with the Hall of Fame to put on the Hall of Fame Classic.

    “There’s a lot we can do to promote the game of baseball. This will be a great success and hit here in Cooperstown. It will be a lot of fun, autographs, family entertainment. That’s what it’s all about,” Robinson said.

    Next June’s game at Doubleday Field will feature four Hall of Famers and more than 20 other retired major leaguers, although the decision on who will play will not be made until later, Hall of Fame spokesman Craig Muder said.

    “We are extremely excited to start a new Cooperstown tradition for multigenerational families everywhere,” Hall of Fame president Jeff Idelson said. “Given that Cooperstown is steeped in nostalgia, a legends-style baseball game is a natural fit.”

    Idelson said the game will be part of a weekend of activities and programs, including a skills clinic featuring former major leaguers, a hitting contest and autograph sessions.

    Major League Baseball announced in late January that the Hall of Fame game was ending because of scheduling problems.

    Although U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York and other members of Congress objected, baseball commissioner Bud Selig defended the move, explaining that major league teams play 162 games in 183 days and that the addition of interleague play and interdivision matchups made scheduling two teams for a game in Cooperstown exceedingly difficult.

    The last game was scheduled for June 16 between the Chicago Cubs and San Diego Padres but it was rained out.

    Eliminating the game was unpopular with many fans, including Cooperstown native Kristian Connolly, who started a Web-based crusade to save the annual game.

    Connolly also sent letters to Selig, players’ union leader Donald Fehr, a select group of major leaguers from all 30 clubs, and the owners and front office leaders.

    In July, Connolly met with Major League Baseball president Bob DuPuy during the Hall’s annual induction weekend to urge him to bring back the annual game, but was unsuccessful in his efforts.


  390. 398 Gil in Mechanicsville November 17, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    Uh.. I guess they just could not squeeze in the 50,000 folks MLB thinks is necessary for the game to be viable. And beer sales for owners would be down…

    Got to pay those huge salaries somehow.


  391. 399 Voice of Raisins November 17, 2008 at 6:13 pm

    But is the MVP the most outstanding player, or the most valuable? I believe there is a great distinction. Yes, Pujols is probably the most outstanding and most talented player in the NL, but who was most valuable?


  392. 400 Gil in Mechanicsville November 17, 2008 at 6:18 pm

    Well, that would be the guy earning 25 million a year .. right? Oh well, at least it wasn’t David Wright…


  393. 401 Salty November 17, 2008 at 6:24 pm

    Japanese team drafts teen girl

    Hmmm…well, that’s a different slant on women’s rights! 😯 :mrgreen:


  394. 402 Carolina Lady November 17, 2008 at 7:12 pm

    How long before the NYY try to sign her?


  395. 403 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 17, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    I think it would be cool to have a gal in baseball. I thought years ago a SS or 2nd baseman might have been a woman, back when SS and 2nd sackers hit .250 and had no power. A side armed knuckle baller might just do the trick…


  396. 405 Carolina Lady November 17, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    In the AL, she wouldn’t have to worry about a batting average!


  397. 406 Gil in Mechanicsville November 17, 2008 at 10:30 pm

    Yep.. might be the one time when you say “you throw like a girl” and it be a compliment…


  398. 407 flbravesgirl November 18, 2008 at 12:11 am

    Cool!! I hope she does well.


  399. 408 Voice of Raisins November 18, 2008 at 8:12 am

    Braves interest pleases Furcal

    With their pursuit of Jake Peavy put on hold, the Braves don’t know if they’ll have a need to find a shortstop. But if they eventually opt to deal shortstop Yunel Escobar, who was at the forefront of the Peavy negotiations, they’ll likely attempt to lure Rafael Furcal back to Atlanta.

    That’s the sense agent Paul Kinzer has gained through the multiple conversations he’s had with the Braves about Furcal over the past week. When he told his client about his initial contact with the Braves, Kinzer said Furcal was “shocked and excited.” The 31-year-old shortstop, who played for the Braves from 2000-2005, has maintained a residence in Atlanta and he’s always considered manager Bobby Cox to be a fatherly figure.

    Kinzer said Furcal has drawn interest from at least six different teams since Friday, when the open negotiating period began. The Braves aren’t among those teams that have made a formal offer. But with the chance that they could still deal Escobar, the Braves have made it known that Furcal is still on their radar.

    Kinzer said Furcal has already received a three-year, $39 million offer — matching the contract the Dodgers provided him three years ago — from one Major League team. At the same time, the agent indicated that it will likely be a few more weeks before Furcal agrees to any deal. — Mark Bowman


  400. 409 Voice of Raisins November 18, 2008 at 9:28 am

    Who says George Steinbrenner has stepped away from the table? The Yankees, for the second time inside a week, are on the verge of making an eye-popping offer to a free-agent pitcher and behaving like the days when The Boss threw money at free agents with both hands. The Yankees, according to several industry insiders, spent yesterday preparing an offer – perhaps a five-year deal worth about $80 million – for Toronto righty A.J. Burnett. This would come after they offered Milwaukee lefty CC Sabathia a six-year contract worth between $140 million and $145 million. And the word on the MLB street is the Yankees have the glue for both. Furthermore, baseball decision-makers believe the Yankees will eventually go after Dodger free-agent righty Derek Lowe. –New York Post

    Should everyone just concede now and spare the expense of the 2009 campaign?


  401. 410 Voice of Raisins November 18, 2008 at 10:56 am

    No word yet on the Mariners’ next manager, but two rival executives speculated on Monday that the team will choose Red Sox bench coach Brad Mills. Their reasoning: Mills, after working for the Sox, is well-schooled in statistical analysis, and the M’s are forming an entire department devoted to sabermetrics. The department will be run by Tony Blengino, a longtime statistical analyst who came over from the Brewers with new GM Jack Zduriencik… –Ken Rosenthal

    Oh, good Lord… 🙄


  402. 411 Voice of Raisins November 18, 2008 at 11:06 am

    More evidence that the White Sox will make a major play: The team has $92.185 million committed to 11 players for 2009, not including a raise for closer Bobby Jenks, who is eligible for arbitration for the first time. A trade of right-hander Javier Vazquez and/or a veteran hitter such as first baseman Paul Konerko would reduce that payroll number, leaving plenty of flexibility for a team that entered last season with a $121 million payroll… –Ken Rosenthal

    Acquiring Konerko would certainly add a proven right handed power bat to the lineup. Kotchman’s contract might be attractive to the ChiSox. Konerko is signed through 2010 at $12M per season.


  403. 412 Voice of Raisins November 18, 2008 at 11:39 am

    NYY’s offer to Burnett is reportedly 5 years, $80M.


  404. 413 Voice of Raisins November 18, 2008 at 12:07 pm


    tap- tap-

    Is this mic on?



  405. 414 Salty November 18, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    Dollars to doughnuts, the Yankees will be broke, broke, broke inside of two years. Who the bloody hell heck is going to buy all the tickets? Someone’s in serious denial of what is happening in Manhattan, but if they think it’s confined to Wall Street, they better start testing the waters of the Hudson and East Rivers to explain all the ‘red’! Yankee Stadium may not be the source, but soon enough they’ll find the sewers are definitely backing up into that brand spanking new facility! Absolutely irresponsible!


  406. 415 Salty November 18, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    While I’m on a rant 👿 , I’m guessing Bellview bought one of the new suites in Yankee Stadium. For sure someone’s out of their mind!


  407. 416 Voice of Raisins November 18, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    Uh… how do you really feel? 😀


  408. 417 Salty November 18, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    Honestly, I don’t know why it rubs me so raw. It’s getting cold, winters approaching, and folks are losing jobs left and right in a city that segregates ‘other side of the tracks’ perhaps more than any other place….in this case, both sides of the tracks are getting whacked massively. To throw dollars by the millions at a few select players while the common man whom you purport to want in the stands won’t even be able to pay his cable bill to watch simply sends the wrong message. Corporate citizenry? Run amuck, perhaps…it makes me ill! One thing’s for sure, the Yanks must not need the credit markets! 😕

    Where’s the ‘Chainsaw Juggler’ (SG)? I know he could lay down some serious tracks on this topic. SG, I’ve warmed the crowd for ya…take over and deliver the word! 😆


  409. 418 Voice of Raisins November 18, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    Join Braves executive vice president and general manager Frank Wren for a live chat Thursday at 3 p.m. ET.



  410. 419 Voice of Raisins November 18, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    Dempster resigns with the Cubbies for 4 years, $52M.

    The market shrinks…


  411. 420 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 18, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    13 Million a year, not too steep in this market I guess….
    I sure hope we get someone….


  412. 421 Voice of Raisins November 18, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    Oh, we’ll get someone, the question is who? … or what?


  413. 422 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 18, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    I keep laughing at the thought of Paul Byrd again….har… 🙄 Seriously, sounds like a great guy, just would be weird to get him, have him injured, not want him, see him have some success for other teams, and come back an old man, to fill a slot….


  414. 423 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 18, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    Yippee!!! Peavy to ATL could still happen….be still my beating heart! 😕
    Towers: Peavy To Braves Could Still Happen
    By Coley Ward [November 18 at 4:15pm CST]

    Now that the Cubs have essentially taken themselves out of the Jake Peavy sweepstakes by signing free agent pitcher Ryan Dempster, Padres GM Kevin Towers is looking for a new trade partner in the Jake Peavy sweepstakes.

    MLB.com’s Corey Brock reminds us that “Towers indicated Monday that the Cubs were essentially his sole focus as far as discussions to trade Peavy, the 2007 National League Cy Young Award winner.”

    Now the Padres may try to rekindle talks with the Braves:

    Towers wouldn’t rule out the possibility of circling back around to the Braves, who last week said they were moving on after a deal couldn’t be reached.

    “You never know … we certainly made more progress with them,” Towers said. “We were able to ID and agree upon a large part of the package.”

    The Braves have always been the logical landing place for Peavy. Atlanta GM Frank Wren said recently that he had given up on trading for the Padres ace.



  415. 424 Carolina Lady November 18, 2008 at 5:51 pm

    Is that girl still available? 5′, 114 lbs, bet she’d have a higher BA than Andruw.

    Turkey shoot!!


  416. 425 Carolina Lady November 18, 2008 at 6:09 pm

    from MLB.com:

    NEW YORK — While the Yankees wait for an answer from CC Sabathia, the organization will move forward on at least one more free-agent pitching front, reportedly preparing an offer for right-hander A.J. Burnett.
    The New York Post reported on Tuesday that the Yankees are building an offer — perhaps a five-year deal in the neighborhood of $80 million — to present to Burnett, who became a free agent when he opted out of his contract with the Blue Jays on Thursday.

    The Yankees promised to aggressively target starting pitching this offseason, smarting from their first dark postseason since 1993. New York opened the free-agent period by promising to make Sabathia baseball’s best-compensated pitcher, offering a six-year contract worth approximately $140 million on Friday; co-chairman Hank Steinbrenner said that the Yankees would also tender offers to Burnett and Derek Lowe.

    Burnett also has potential suitors in the Braves and Orioles, and he will likely command a four- or five-year deal worth between $15-18 million annually. The Blue Jays have interest in retaining Burnett, and they are believed to be preparing a four-year offer worth an estimated $54 million, though general manager J.P. Ricciardi maintains that Toronto has yet to present an offer to the pitcher.


  417. 426 Gil in Mechanicsville November 18, 2008 at 6:38 pm

    Let’s see… $14 mil a year from Toronto, $16 mil from the Yanks, $15 to $18 mil from the Orioles or Braves… Nope, no recession in sight here… Baseball must be getting a bailout none of the rest of us know about.


  418. 427 Gil in Mechanicsville November 18, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    Well, we had a few snow flurries here today. It was exiting for the 5 minutes it lasted each time. Coolest thing was when it was snowing to beat the band and the sun was shining. Never experience that before. I have witnessed a couple of thunder snows however. That is a little weird too when it happens.

    Was a full day for Josie and I today. Dr.’s appointment this AM then check on Mom’s place and pick up her mail. Visit with some old friends from our former neighborhood and then grocery store. I could have done without the grocery store but I am stingy and today was 5% off for old folks day at Kroger’s.

    And Peavy… I wonder if Wren will pull a bait and switch?


  419. 428 Salty November 18, 2008 at 7:21 pm

    I keep laughing at the thought of Paul Byrd again….

    I don’t…there’s no comedy there whatsoever! 😡


  420. 430 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 18, 2008 at 9:20 pm

    CL, I forgot to say thanks for the Thanksgiving link yesterday! 🙂


  421. 431 Savannah Guy November 18, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    Q: Where’s the “Chainsaw Juggler?

    A: High atop a very chilly midtown Atlanta.

    To throw dollars by the millions at a few select players while the common man whom you purport to want in the stands won’t even be able to pay his cable bill to watch simply sends the wrong message.

    Agreed Salty, the wrong message from anyone in pro sports or Hollywood (especially from anyone on Wall Street)… from a PR perspective. It’s also a tacky public insensitivity or insult to so many “fans” that are struggling these days, but it is still a free, capitalist country where we can say whatever we want and spend our own money in any way we see fit… for now anyway.

    I’ve said for a long time that arena entertainment, including sports, will become an elite gathering for those that can afford to be close to the action. The further away we are, the more affordable. That’s just simple economics combined with limited seating. Supply demand stuff. That’s fine… TV works for me.

    Then again, it is we, the fans who created and invested in the “machine”. We clamor for information on those we hold up as important. We follow their every move, we know every stat, we know every muscle ache and pain and we are aware of every addiction of those we hold up as celebrities. Bizarre stuff, really.

    We abide by the metrics fed to us of box office sales, stock market successes and sports contract comparisons as valid measurements of superiority.

    I say, just let the various markets sort it out, don’t bail out anyone because they were too stupid and greedy to adhere to sensible business practices and let the chips fall where they may. It’ll all get sorted out by the most powerful two people in the world… the consumer and the voter.

    I’m just glad the MLB didn’t just send a chopping cow out to say to the fans, “Let them eat Chikin”.

    Word. 😀


  422. 432 Salty November 18, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    Vvvvvrrrroooom…..vvvvvrrrrooooommmm! That’s what I’m talkin’ ’bout!!! :mrgreen: Juggle on, my man…juggle on! 😆


  423. 433 Salty November 18, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    By the way, I love capitalism…but I like perspective, too…and awareness…and sensitivity…and humility, I might add! I guess…I like too many disparate things? Nah! 🙄 🙂


  424. 434 Savannah Guy November 18, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    Me and you both Salty. All that and peach cobbler too!

    By the way, floating high atop Atlanta is not easy. The view is nice but the arms get tired. 😆


  425. 435 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 18, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    I love capitalism as well, but I have to say I don’t love pure unadulterated greed. No team should be jacking up prices this year. But, they(besides the Yankees, Phils) will. Once teams see fans not showing up, perhaps we will see prices come down. Yeah, right. All I know, as a kid, I could see a box game at Busch stadium for $14. What would it cost me now??? $50??? $100???

    Of course more fans than ever see games, so what does that prove???

    Besides I just shot my point in the foot??? 😛


  426. 436 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 18, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    Your arms most be cold as ice right now!


  427. 437 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 18, 2008 at 10:28 pm

    Isn’t it time for Salty to provide an FMlast link to that Foreigner song? 😉


  428. 438 Gil in Mechanicsville November 18, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    Well, walking on water is always easier when it’s frozen first… 🙂


  429. 439 Carolina Lady November 18, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    The ‘money thing’ is regrettable. How much is enough?? Putting money ahead of everything else usually leads to a downfall. Ask Andruw how that worked out. He may be very rich, but he is a professional failure. That has to eat at him. I’d think so but maybe not.


  430. 440 Gil in Mechanicsville November 18, 2008 at 11:39 pm

    CL.. At least he has lots of options from which to choose when he decides to drive over the edge… 🙂


  431. 441 Gil in Mechanicsville November 18, 2008 at 11:42 pm

    And I don’t know that he is really a failure, more like a very old 30 year old…. That’s hard headed…


  432. 442 Gil in Mechanicsville November 18, 2008 at 11:47 pm

    Brrrrrrr!!!! It’s cold here tonight…. Wicked wind…. I don’t know that any more lights will be up tomorrow. I may just try to finish getting up some more leaves and pine tags. Or may stay inside and wait for the spring thaw….

    It’s possible that I may venture to Wal Mart to see if they have any of those $298 Compaq laptops available. Likely not but you never know…


  433. 443 flbravesgirl November 18, 2008 at 11:58 pm

    Already dipping into the 40s here. Very chilly by local standards. We went to a dance show in Tampa last night & we didn’t waste time getting back to the car afterwards. The wind coming across that parking lot was biting.


  434. 444 flbravesgirl November 19, 2008 at 12:07 am

    If I may impose upon y’all… please spare a thought for my mom in the morning. She’s having surgery to remove a possible melanoma from her arm. I’ve been trying not to dwell on it since we don’t know for certain but it’s weighing on all of us. We lost a family friend a few years back to melanoma & Mom is an oncology nurse so she knows all too well how bad it could be.


  435. 445 Gil in Mechanicsville November 19, 2008 at 12:15 am

    Godspeed for your mom FBG…


  436. 446 flbravesgirl November 19, 2008 at 12:17 am

    Thanks, Gil.


  437. 447 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 19, 2008 at 2:00 am

    Will say a prayer for your Mom FLB.


  438. 448 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 19, 2008 at 9:35 am

    😡 Scott Boras is apparently telling teams he wants “a Zito-type contract” for righty Derek Lowe. Lowe is 35, while Zito was 28. Is Boras implying that he wants $18MM a year? Obviously Lowe will not find a seven-year offer. 😡



  439. 449 Gil in Mechanicsville November 19, 2008 at 9:50 am

    Good morning fine folks.. Looks like my brass monkey was neutered last night. I knew I should have brought him in off the porch…

    Looks like it will be an inside day today…


  440. 450 Voice of Raisins November 19, 2008 at 10:16 am

    … praying for Mrs. FLB’s mom…


  441. 451 Voice of Raisins November 19, 2008 at 10:16 am

    … and also praying or Mrs. FBG’s mom… 😳


  442. 452 Salty November 19, 2008 at 10:41 am

    Boras is merely gauging market ‘irrationality’; it’s been there in prior markets…how much delusion remains? Based on Yankee-methodology, it would seem it’s still present!

    To Boras’ credit, he defines, then creates ‘A Brave New World’ for each of his clients…and apparently is ‘powers of creation’ tend to be quite compelling! To date, he’s not encountered a Darwinian Society in his solar system!

    How’s that for metaphors!?! 😆


  443. 453 Voice of Raisins November 19, 2008 at 10:55 am

    Exec: Peavy going to Braves or nowhere

    Braves GM Frank Wren bowed out of the long-running trade talks involving Padres star pitcher Jake Peavy a few days ago, but Wren didn’t appear to completely shut the door on Peavy and at least one National League executive said he still believes the Braves remain the most likely destination for Peavy.

    “He’ll wind up a Brave or Padre,” that exec predicted.
    Before dropping out for now, the Braves are believed to have talked to the Padres about sending them a multi-player package of shortstop Yunel Escobar, outfield prospect Gorkys Hernandez, either of pitchers Charlie Morton or Jo-Jo Reyes and reliever Blaine Boyer.
    Most of the Padres’ trade talks have been with the Braves and Cubs, but the Padres don’t especially love what Chicago is offering and the Cubs’ deal to send pitching prospect Jose Ceda to the Marlins for reliever Kevin Gregg further inhibits the Cubs’ chances, according to people familiar with the Peavy talks. Ceda is a former Padre farmhand who is well-regarded.
    Padres GM Kevin Towers told MLB.com he’d probably have to involve “a third or fourth team” to consummate a trade with the Cubs. Plus, the Cubs also appear on the verge today of re-signing star pitcher Ryan Dempster, which should lessen their need for Peavy.
    The Braves are also reportedly looking at free agent starters Derek Lowe and A.J. Burnett but aren’t necessarily viewed as a favorite to outbid the Yankees for Burnett or either New York team for Lowe.
    Peavy has a full no-trade clause and has told agent Barry Axelrod he much prefers to stay in the NL, and although the Padres have been hopeful to include a few AL teams in the talks, they don’t appear to have the go-ahead yet. Towers had hoped Peavy might OK the Yankees, but baseball officials view a deal with the Yankees as a major long shot since it’s believed Peavy might ask to rework his contract upward from $63 million over four years to go to New York and the Yankees are now concentrating on free agents CC Sabathia, Burnett and Lowe.


  444. 454 Salty November 19, 2008 at 11:49 am

    is ‘powers of creation’</i?

    ‘Is’? Silent ‘h’? 😕 Oh, the humanity! 🙄 😆


  445. 455 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 19, 2008 at 12:45 pm

    Do they have an outfielder we might want????
    8:48am: According to Brian McRae reporting for Sports Radio 810 in Kansas City, the Royals acquired Coco Crisp from the Red Sox for reliever Ramon Ramirez. I emailed McRae to confirm, and he said, “It’s a done deal.” The Royals get speed and a capable center fielder, while the Red Sox receive a quality late-game reliever.

    Crisp, 29, hit .283/.344/.407 in 409 plate appearances this year. His center field defense saved 26 bases over the average last year, but was two below this year (he did battle groin, hamstring, knee, and foot issues). Crisp will earn $5.75MM in ’09 and has an $8MM club option with a $500K buyout for ’10.

    The Red Sox trim payroll here, as Ramirez is not yet arbitration-eligible. He will not reach free agency until after the 2012 season, so the Red Sox impressively acquired four years of his services. The 27 year-old posted a 2.64 ERA in 71.2 innings this year while whiffing 70. The Royals might have to add a reliever to compensate for his absence, though they’re now at their payroll limit. They’re also a bit heavy on outfielders at this point./i>


  446. 456 Voice of Raisins November 19, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    Yo, B II… you still a worm? You haven’t metamorphed into something else by now? Like B II, the Moth or anything?


  447. 457 Carolina Lady November 19, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    Prayers for your mother, FBG. Kelly had that done this past Friday and we’re hoping to get the pathology report today.


  448. 458 Voice of Raisins November 19, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    Police in Cobb County, Ga., said in October that County Commissioner Annette Kesting had asked local “high voodoo priestess” George Ann Mills to perform a “death ritual” on her longtime political rival Woody Thompson (“cancer” or a “car accident” preferred). Mills acknowledged helping Kesting on some “family” issues, by sacrificing three hens and a rooster, but said she would never help take a human life.

    I wonder if she is up for a cabinet post?


  449. 459 Gil in Mechanicsville November 19, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    I think some folks have serious mental health issues… 🙂


  450. 460 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 19, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    CL, said a prayer for Kelly….


  451. 461 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 19, 2008 at 6:46 pm

    Don’t just hate the Yankees!
    Expect Sox to break bank for Teixeira


  452. 462 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 19, 2008 at 7:05 pm

    Burnett wants at least five years; will Yanks go for it?

    Jon Heyman

    The agent for star free-agent pitcher A.J. Burnett is telling teams they’re only considering offers of five years or more, according to league sources. Burnett is drawing interest from several teams, including at least the Yankees, Braves, Nationals and Orioles, and possibly also the Red Sox.
    The Yankees were intending to make a four-year offer this week but have been shut out by the five-year demand. One person familiar with their talks suggested the sides are talking “parameters,” but it isn’t believed the Yankees have said the two magic words: five years.



  453. 463 Carolina Lady November 19, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    Thank you, Ber!

    Raisins, there is no doubt that there are some real Looney Tunes out there! But in public office???!!! So she thought killing some chickens would get her into office??? If she was elected the people got what they deserved. 🙄

    Oh well……

    Gil has thrown caution to the winds!!!


  454. 464 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 19, 2008 at 7:19 pm

    So, this is what I predict for the starting rotation.
    1) Jurrjens

    Yup…Look out Phillies! 🙄

    *Unless Glavine retires
    **unless Houston guarantees Hampton a place in the rotation and more money they we pony up.


  455. 465 Berigan ll, the worm turns November 19, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    You know, I am kidding about Jurrjens being a #1 Hanson being a #2 , but you know what??? Why not??? If Jurrjens arm hasn’t been ruined by overuse, he has the stuff. Hopefully, we can get at least one more arm, but it may be a Byrd type, someone that isn’t a #2 or even a #3.

    Guess thats why it makes so much sense to get Peavy though, doesn’t it???


  456. 466 Carolina Lady November 19, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    psst! Ber! NEW BLOG IS UP! 😆


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