82: Yunel ???

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by Voice of Reason Raisins

I can’t read Buster Olney’s recent article because I am not an ESPN Insider, (nor shall I ever be), but according to sources, Olney says that “the Braves are willing to trade Yunel Escobar for a good hitter”.


Should we be surprised? Head cases do not last long in the ATL. But is this an indictment of the Braves, or of Yunel? Before you answer that question, let me remind you of Gary Sheffield’s relatively quiet tenure under the tomahawk…


Gary Sheffield made his major league debut with the Milwaukee Brewers on September 3, 1988 at the tender age of 19. While there, he accused the organization of being “racist” and suddenly endured a series of “injuries” to his wrist, thumb and shoulder before being traded to San Diego prior to the 1992 season. While with the Marlins, he publicly stated his unhappiness with landing on an “expansion” team. With the Dodgers, he publicly criticized management, as well as coaches and teammates. He then spent two very quiet years with Atlanta before leaving via free agency for the Yankees. There he publicly criticized both Brian Cashman and Joe Torre before being traded to Detroit. Prior to this season, Detroit released him despite owing him more that $14MM.

The point? Even a guy with the clubhouse reputation of Gary Sheffield can find tranquility in the Braves clubhouse. But apparently Yunel cannot find such solace. Now don’t get me wrong here. I like a player with personality. I like the fire. But fires that burn out of control can do a good bit of damage in their wake. Maybe, I said maybe, it’s time to dig the break.

Now, to the field and the question of how sound a trade of Yunel would be. Obviously, it is impossible to judge without knowing what the return would be, but we are a group of speculators, eh?

So, that being said, if Wren could get a return of a decent defensive SS to go along with that bat, I’d be OK with it. And let’s be clear… the bat should be of the SG defined boppage variety. Nothing less is acceptable. So, to further speculate, if we can add a real bopper to a traditional bopper position, i.e. 1B, LF, RF, and add a decent defensive SS, would that make folks happy? I think so…

And remember – you have to give quality to get quality. No way around it.

Yunel is a special talent. He is a better offensive player than most SS, but not the best. He is above average defensively, but not the best. If you can add a bona fide bopper, and hold the line defensively, I think you are taking a step forward.

What do you think?



531 Responses to “82: Yunel ???”

  1. 1 Carolina Lady July 1, 2009 at 3:11 pm

    Raisins, you da man! THANK YOU!!!


  2. 2 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 1, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    Shoot, CL beat me again!
    Very good V! Man, you read all that, and you even wonder why the Braves took a chance on Shef!
    And it makes you wonder what’s up with Yunel too! I wonder….did he do a 180 after Bryan Pena was let go???


  3. 3 Voice of Raisins July 1, 2009 at 3:46 pm

    Nice pics, CL. You really know how to dress up a pig and make her look like a prom date. Thanks!


  4. 4 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 1, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    I wonder… could I have put the word Wonder in more times in that post???

    V, you think the Red Sox would have interest in Yunel???

    I was going to say something else…hmmm, just keep typing it will come back….or not. 🙄


  5. 5 Voice of Raisins July 1, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    Tonight’s lineup:

    1. Blanco CF (Nate is still out? Dang hammy!)
    2. King Prado 2B
    3. Chipper 3B
    4. Mac C
    5. MattyD LF
    6. Kotch 1B
    7. Francois RF
    8. Diory SS (Yunel is still out? Dang attitude er, hip thingie!)
    9. JJ P


  6. 6 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 1, 2009 at 4:23 pm

    Anyone having trouble being signed in of late??? Not just here, but everywhere. Haven’t knowingly changed anything, just have to sign in all the time. Just had to sign in back here. Sigh…..

    You know I have really hated watching Diory bat, but the last few days, who knows…perhaps TP has actually helped a hitter??? His swing looks better, more like a ML swing. He reminded me of the good Andruw Jones on a few of them.


  7. 7 Gil in Mechanicsville July 1, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    Great opine Raisins… Reasonable as always.

    So, you’re saying you would trade Yunel to the Nationals for Cristian Guzman straight up?


  8. 8 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 1, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    hmmm, I missed this from a few days ago….

    Cadahia gives Escobar an earful


  9. 9 Voice of Raisins July 1, 2009 at 4:50 pm

    No, but I would trade him and GA to LAA for Juan Rivera and Erick Aybar… 😀


  10. 11 Carolina Lady July 1, 2009 at 7:18 pm

    Karl Malden
    Rest In Peace

    Truly one of my all-time favorite actors!



  11. 12 Savannah Guy July 1, 2009 at 8:13 pm

    Excellent lead Raisins, as always. Yunel and boppage, hmmm… I’ll have to think on that’un. Seems we’d be better off with a bopper at first base. Either that or move Mac over there and start Ross.

    Expecting power from a shortstop is possible but not probable. Do we have a SS in our system?


  12. 13 Savannah Guy July 1, 2009 at 8:17 pm

    Anyone having trouble being signed in of late???

    Must be a PC issue. Always sumpin’. 😛

    Karl Malden… Truly one of my all-time favorite actors!

    The movie, “Baby Doll” was some of his best, if not best work. Carol Baker was pretty easy on the eyes too.


  13. 14 Savannah Guy July 1, 2009 at 8:25 pm

    I wonder… could I have put the word Wonder in more times in that post???

    It’s no wonder something seemed funny about that post. I was just wondering… were you by chance in a wonderful mood?

    Just wondering…


  14. 15 Savannah Guy July 1, 2009 at 8:34 pm

    Just got in… Hamels ain’t so hot tonight. Well, he’s heat hot but not, you know…

    Why did Snitker throw up the stop sign? Prado did right to ignore it.

    Who made the E?


  15. 16 Savannah Guy July 1, 2009 at 8:37 pm

    Chipper scores… these boys are heatin’up. 6 runs, 9 hits, Filly’s one run with no hits.

    Oh, y’all are watching too. Nevermind. Just got excited. 😆


  16. 17 Savannah Guy July 1, 2009 at 8:40 pm

    Wow!!! Just… wow!


  17. 18 Savannah Guy July 1, 2009 at 8:46 pm

    Diory at present is a future SS boppmeister.


  18. 19 Savannah Guy July 1, 2009 at 8:47 pm

    That’s what I’m talkin’ ’bout.


  19. 20 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 1, 2009 at 8:59 pm

    I told ya Diory has some pop! Hopefully a Ma as well!


  20. 21 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 1, 2009 at 9:09 pm

    Must be a PC issue. Always sumpin’.
    Walked into that one! 🙂

    CL, had no idea Karl Malden was 97!!!


  21. 22 Carolina Lady July 1, 2009 at 9:18 pm

    Yep. And married to the same wife for 70 years. I think I enjoyed every character he ever played. He’d make you believe that he WAS that character. Sad day!

    Must be a PC issue. Always sumpin’.
    Walked into that one! 🙂

    Lord, don’t give him anymore ammunition, Ber! He’s hard enough to deal with as it is! Mac! Baloney!! Wouldn’t know a good COMPUTER if he saw one! :mrgreen:



  22. 23 Savannah Guy July 1, 2009 at 9:26 pm


    Bear put it on a tee fersure.

    I was kind. Instead of “issue” I coulda said, worm, virus, bug, warning, alert, etc…



  23. 24 Carolina Lady July 1, 2009 at 10:21 pm



    I rest my case!



  24. 25 flbravesgirl July 1, 2009 at 11:33 pm

    Jair must feel like it was Christmas. Finally some run support!

    This sure is more fun to watch.


  25. 26 Gil in Mechanicsville July 2, 2009 at 4:00 am

    Wow, this patient may have a pulse after all…. Very entertaining game if you are a Braves fan. Especially after watching this team struggle for the past month or two. Any doubt as to the cause was seen when Kelly waved at three pitches in his only at-bat.

    That boy is certifiably lost right now.

    The ump did not have a very good command of the strike zone last night. However, he was consistently bad for both teams.

    A sweep would really rejuvenate this teams chances.


  26. 27 Savannah Guy July 2, 2009 at 6:49 am

    Javy 5-7. Happ 5-0.

    I like our chances tonight.


  27. 28 Carolina Lady July 2, 2009 at 9:26 am

    “Braves RHP Tim Hudson’s first injury rehab assignment has been set for July 19 at Class A Myrtle Beach.” – Yahoo sports


  28. 29 Gil in Mechanicsville July 2, 2009 at 10:33 am

    Yes SG but Javy’s losses came mostly with Kelly Johnson playing second base. The line-up has been somewhat rejuvenated. This is another very big game for the Braves as it would put them in legitimate striking distance of the NL East lead.

    A nice 7-3 run between now and the All-Star break would make them serious contenders.


  29. 30 Savannah Guy July 2, 2009 at 10:55 am

    Yes, Gil… although unsung and tossed around as trade bait on other blogs (which I don’t agree with at all), Javy is a very good, potentially great SP. Maybe even an ace. Great mound presence and poise. Seems unflappable.

    I started to expound on Javy deserving more wins and all, but was up against the clock on some stuff.

    Clocks can be cold and hard, but they keep on ticking. 😀


  30. 31 Carolina Lady July 2, 2009 at 10:58 am

    This beats anything I’ve ever seen in RC aircraft! JET-powered yet!


  31. 32 Voice of Raisins July 2, 2009 at 11:18 am

    Yep… Huddy goes on injury rehab in mid-July with a target return date of mid-August. That means a return to the rotation about 2-3 weeks past the trade dealine. That means a starter will be traded, y’all. It’ll happen. As with Yunel, you have to give quality to get quality. Pitchers are in high demand. If we want a legitimate bat in the lineup, we’ll have to give up a starter. I can feel it.

    We know who it won’t be. It won’t be THanson. It won’t be JJ. It won’t be DLowe. Who’s left? Javy and Kenshin. You can bet there’ll be a market for Kenshin, especially if his next 4 starts mirror his last 4 starts. But there likely would be more teams lining up for Javy. Quality 1-5 in this rotation, to be sure.

    We all know how pitchers struggle on their return from TJ surgery. But Huddy doesn’t rely on overpowering stuff. He relies on location. His is an easy delivery. If he starts his rehab on July 19, the Braves will have 3 starts to evaluate before deciding if he’ll return to the rotation. If they think he can… well, you know. Somebody’s gotta go.

    Tough call here.


  32. 33 Savannah Guy July 2, 2009 at 11:30 am

    I’d rather lose Huddy than Javy, Lowe, JJ or Hanson. Kenshin, ok fine, but I think we have to keep Javy… or at least that’s what I’d do. Wren should be calling me any day now.


  33. 34 Voice of Raisins July 2, 2009 at 12:47 pm

    Juan Pierre: .322 AVG, .383 OBP, 22 SB -> 5 years/$44MM (2007-11)

    Matt Kemp: .302 AVG, .474 SLG, 10 HR, 19 SB -> 1 year/$0.467MM (2009, arb. eligible in ’10)

    Andre Ethier: .257 AVG, .482 SLG, 15 HR -> 1 year/$3.1MM (2009 1st yr. arb.)

    Manny: He be Manny -> 2 years/$45MM (2009-10)

    Somebody not named Manny will either sit or be traded. My money says somebody will be traded…

    Just sayin’…


  34. 35 Voice of Raisins July 2, 2009 at 12:58 pm

    Major League Baseball has caught another high-profile prospect from the Dominican Republic misrepresenting his age and identity.

    MLB’s latest catch is Indians shortstop Jose Osoria, who signed for $575,000 last year on July 2. Indians assistant general manager John Mirabelli confirmed that Osoria’s real name is Wally Bryan and that Bryan is 20 years old, three years older than he had presented himself. Bryan ranked as Cleveland’s No. 30 prospect entering the season. –Baseball America


    Juan Osoria = Wally Bryan 😆

    That is just too funny…


  35. 36 Voice of Raisins July 2, 2009 at 1:00 pm

    “Hey, Juan, er, I mean Wally! Grab a bat!” 😆


  36. 37 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 2, 2009 at 1:04 pm

    Good…afternoon! I thought I had posted this am, but must have just read stuff…
    V, when I read that the PIRATES had to pay $400,000, half of what is left on Eric Hinske’s salary…to the Yankees!!!!
    We are in uncharted territory. No one is going to take Juan Pierre…Dodgers would have to pay 2/3rds or more of his salary. I’d rather have him in left than loaf…natural leadoff hitter. Then Nate, you know, the guy with the most RBi’s on the club, could go back to down the line-up, and drive in more runs. But, Loaf is here for the duration I fear.
    Hmmm, forgot that if we traded Javy or Kawakami, it would more or less be a wash for Pierre. But, I don’t think that would happen, would it???
    I hear all the time Pierre is the hardest working man in baseball, first to the park, last to leave…
    A big bopper is nice, but IMHO,
    Frenchy (each night they could switch on who hits 8th) would score a fair number of runs.
    Wren will be talking to me soon as well!


  37. 38 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 2, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    V, that is funny, isn’t it??? Was he in black face as well??? Wally Bryan, from Connecticut….

    V, since you were mentioning the Dodgers, were you just talking, or thinking we should trade with them??? I just don’t think they will give up the good, cheap bats, what with manram off the steroids, and old, who knows what he will do for them??? They need those young, cheap bats….


  38. 39 Voice of Raisins July 2, 2009 at 1:33 pm

    Nah, Ber, not really thinking anything of substance… just making an observation.

    Too many OF’s. Rangers may fall into the same category. Sure would like to snag Nelson Cruz… that ain’t hap’nin, though.

    If I were a bettin’ man, which I am not, I’d lay money on the Braves parting with either JV or KK. They’ll stick with Huddy, which will give them 6 starters with Medlen laying in the weeds as insurance. If they swap one of those 2, they should not only net a decent return, but shed some salary too. That gives them the latitude to make a second move.

    Second bet? I’m going out on a limb with this one, but don’t be surprised to see Kotch and his manageable contract traded. Who has a boppin’ 1B they want to trade and shed some salary? I could spend the afternoon looking that over, but I think I’ll do some work and keep my clients happy…


  39. 40 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 2, 2009 at 1:44 pm

    I could spend the afternoon looking that over, but I think I’ll do some work and keep my clients happy…

    Oh you’re no fun! 😛

    I forget, we have to pick up Huddy’s option for next year, right??? Isn’t it more than Javy or Kawakami make??? Seems like it might make sense to not pay him for next year…

    I think Gil has said TJ players have trouble with control, more than speed issues…or am I remembering right????


  40. 41 Voice of Raisins July 2, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    TJ players who rely on velocity often try to overthrow to regain said velocity often leaving alot of stuff “up”. Having listened to Leo alot lately – he’s on local radio now – he says the key to pitching is a free and easy delivery which maintains control. He says pitchers should basically toss at about 95% exertion; if they try to “muscle up” on pitches, the pitches move up in the zone. That’s why pitches “up” are an indication of a pitcher getting tired… as they try to compensate.

    Well… I have found a very detailed analysis of Huddy’s pitches, which has made my eyes glaze over, but is here:


    It appears, I think, that he throws a 4 seam fastball as his bread and butter, but who knows? That’s alot of charts…


  41. 42 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 2, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    V, I see why you were confuzzled…I sure am. He throws a sinker mainly, doesn’t he???

    From the site…

    What does Tim Hudson throw?

    Pitch classification is a topic that will no doubt garner many column inches over the coming months and years but John Walsh’s excellent synopsis is a great starting point in our quest.

    We can classify by speed and movement and although different hurlers have different pitch characteristics we can make some generalizations. Here is a basic cheat sheet (assuming a right handed pitcher throwing to a right handed batter) :

    1. Fastball (four-seam): 90+mph pitch thrown with backspin so “rises” five to 10 inches. We say “rises” but the measurement is relative to a pitch thrown with no spin, so relative to this it “rises”. Fastballs tend to have a touch of side spin, so move five to 10 inches “in” on a right handed batter
    2. Sinker (two-seam, possibly): 90+ mph pitch that “rises” five inches or so, marginally below the fast ball—will also have lateral movement “in” on the batter
    3. Splitter: 85-92mph, moves up three to five inches, likely to have less or different sideways movement to a fastball because of the way it is thrown
    4. Curveball: 70-80 mph, moves down about 10 inches relative to a pitch with no spin and moves away from the batter zero to 10 inches (depending on whether it is a classic 12-6 curve or 11-5)
    5. Slider: 80-85mph, movement is between the curve and fastball
    6. Change-up: 80-85mph, similar movement to a fastball (up and in)

    Those in the know (scouts and some fans) differ on whether Hudson has a four- or five-pitch repertoire. Let’s take a look at the Pitch f/x data and see what we can detect.

    So, the guy mentions 6 pitches, then says scouts and fans differ on whether he throws 4 or 5 pitches??? Sounds like the first 6 pitches are just descriptions of the 6 main pitches…why post that there in an article on Hudson???
    Am I missing something???


  42. 43 Gil in Mechanicsville July 2, 2009 at 3:54 pm

    he says the key to pitching is a free and easy delivery

    That is why I doubt Hanson’s longevity. Same can be said for Gonzo… Just too violent of a delivery, always throwing across their body.


  43. 44 Savannah Guy July 2, 2009 at 6:22 pm

    if we traded Javy or Kawakami, it would more or less be a wash for Pierre. But, I don’t think that would happen, would it???

    Would be nice to have a guy like Pierre, but at the cost of JV or K… no way. Send Javy away? No way Jose.

    Boppage will change our entire lineup. We have the pitchers we need to win, with a bit of run support. I would trade Huddy before any of our 5 SP’s.

    Wait… didn’t I already say that this morning? Long day…


  44. 45 Gil in Mechanicsville July 2, 2009 at 6:44 pm

    I don’t think Pierre is the type of player needed by the Braves. Honest, he would just be more of the same.

    I am not worried about an excess of pitchers at this point. Best role for Huddy would be to go to the pen until he can build up arm strength. Of course, in this age of no PEDs, no doubt someone will end up on the DL long before the Braves reach September expansion.


  45. 46 Gil in Mechanicsville July 2, 2009 at 7:21 pm

    An observation… Prado reminds me of Mark Lempke but with power…


  46. 47 Savannah Guy July 2, 2009 at 8:20 pm

    The Lemmer. Dirt.


  47. 48 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 2, 2009 at 8:32 pm

    I didn’t know Kotchman could hit a ball that hard!!! 😯


  48. 49 Savannah Guy July 2, 2009 at 8:34 pm

    He just ran into that one, didn’t he. Beats French trying to hit a 3-run bomb when a sac fly or even a grounder would’ve driven in a run. That boy ain’t right.


  49. 50 Savannah Guy July 2, 2009 at 9:10 pm

    Javy crashed pretty quick there. Cost him a win. Brand new ballgame. Time to break out the bats. Maybe Chipper can remember to work the count a bit on his next AB. That would help immensely. He and Mac seem off or tired or something tonight.


  50. 51 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 2, 2009 at 9:31 pm

    Was Javy squeezed a bit??? Seemed like Moylan was on some pitches…I was on the phone, and couldn’t follow the game…


  51. 52 Gil in Mechanicsville July 2, 2009 at 11:26 pm

    For sure they didn’t get the call on curve balls…

    Nice win though. Casey made up for the oh-fer last night. Garrett Anderson just made up….

    Chipper needs a day or two off. However that would mean that Kelly would have to play second…. bummer


  52. 53 flbravesgirl July 2, 2009 at 11:44 pm

    Oh, I am liking this. 🙂

    I think Chipper needs a break too, Gil. He’s clearly frustrated.


  53. 54 flbravesgirl July 2, 2009 at 11:47 pm

    Mr. Fly, please accept my apologies for being a day late with your birthday wishes. Orange Blossom Cake headed your way.


  54. 55 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 3, 2009 at 9:49 am

    Wouldn’t you know I gave up on the game when it was 2-2??? 😳 Turner Classic movies had a documentary starting at 10 PM on the films of 1939, and silly me, I thought there was no way we’d sweep the Phillies! Truly amazing! Hadn’t they beaten us 9 straight til this series???

    And Javy must be scratching his head. I think last night was the 8 straight game of the braves scoring 3 or less runs(at least while he was in there)

    Buster Olney has been talking up the braves the last 2 nights on baseball tonight, saying we have the best starting pitching in the east…


  55. 56 Voice of Raisins July 3, 2009 at 10:21 am

    Buster Olney has been talking up the braves the last 2 nights on baseball tonight, saying we have the best starting pitching in the east…

    It took him half the season to make that observation? And he’s a paid professional…


  56. 57 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 3, 2009 at 10:41 am

    Well now, to be fair, everyone was talking up the Marlins as having the best starters overall before the season started. To me it sounded like look out for the 4th place team…Braves are 6-4 in the last 10 games, and that’s after winning 3 straight. They need to keep it up though. Marlins are 7-3 in their last 10.

    The Nats are up next, and we really need to show we can beat up teams like them, along with the good teams. I think we play Colorado 4 games after them, and they have been hotter than Jessica Biel lately.


  57. 58 Gil in Mechanicsville July 3, 2009 at 11:28 am

    Actually Ber, they play the Cubs then finish up with the Rockies.

    If they can keep their focus they will do just fine. The weak underbelly of the Nationals is their lack of pitching. Plus they just traded their best closer.

    I am worried a bit about McLouth, the hammy must have been more serious than originally thought.


  58. 59 Gil in Mechanicsville July 3, 2009 at 11:30 am

    The Nationals can also score runs but in addition to weak pitching after Zimmerman, they have a pretty porous defense. That makes their pitching even worse.

    The Cubs are going through Lou Pinnella syndrome. Happens with every club he manages.


  59. 60 Mr. Fly, sleuth reporter July 3, 2009 at 12:35 pm

    Orange Blossom Cake for Me? Oh, my… thank you! It’s my favorite of all. How did you know I liked orange blossoms? 😀

    No apologies needed for belated birthday wishes. It was more of, um, a transmutation day, but birthday is easier to say. Plus, they don’t make tiny little pointy hats and kazoos for Transmutation Day celebrations anyways.

    Orange Blossom cake for me! I’ll watch for the UPS man. He should be here any minute. Mmmm…


  60. 61 Savannah Guy July 3, 2009 at 12:38 pm

    Was that cake for Mr. Fly? Oh. 😳

    It arrived a here little while ago. Mmmm good.


  61. 62 Mr. Fly, sleuth reporter July 3, 2009 at 12:39 pm



  62. 63 Savannah Guy July 3, 2009 at 12:46 pm

    Just pulling your, uh, one of your legs Mr. Fly. C’mon over and we’ll dive in.

    On the Braves front, I think they should sit Chipper and Mac tonight. They both need a break, get some rest and to get out of their funks, especially Hoss. If needed they could pinch hit late in the game if it’s on the line.


  63. 64 Carolina Lady July 3, 2009 at 4:05 pm

    Gov. Sarah Palin announced today that she will resign in a few weeks. Lt. Gov. Sean Parnell will take over at the Governor’s Picnic in Fairbanks on July 25.


  64. 65 Carolina Lady July 3, 2009 at 4:16 pm

    Friday, July 03, 2009

    AMSTERDAM — A Cuban pitcher considered by many baseball scouts to be the No. 1 left-handed prospect in the world left his hotel and vanished before the first ball was thrown at a tournament in the Netherlands, leaving his whereabouts a mystery, a spokesman for the Dutch team said Friday.

    Aroldis Chapman, a player with a 100 mph fastball, was seen walking through the lobby of his hotel and climbing into a waiting car within an hour of the team’s arrival Wednesday for a four-nation tournament, spokesman Loet van Schelbeet said.

    The 21-year-old failed to show up Thursday for Cuba’s first game in Rotterdam, according to van Schelbeet.

    The head of the Cuban delegation, Luis Carton, said he also had no idea where Chapman was.

    “We are waiting for information. We do not know anything,” Carton told The Associated Press. “No one knows anything about what happened, if he is sick, died or left.”

    It was not known whether Chapman was defecting and planning to sign with a major league team. To become a free agent, he would have to establish residency outside the United States.

    Van Schelbeet said Chapman’s disappearance appeared to be well planned. He carried no luggage when he left the hotel, which was a few minutes away from the Rotterdam stadium.

    He would be the most prominent Cuban baseball defector since Jose Contreras left during a tournament in Mexico in 2002.

    Spokesmen for the Dutch Foreign Ministry and Department of Immigration said they had no knowledge of the case. A Spanish Foreign Ministry official also said he never heard of Chapman.

    U.S. officials in The Hague said they could not comment on individual cases because of U.S. privacy laws. They said, however, that arrangements exist for Cubans seeking asylum to enter the United States.


  65. 66 Gil in Mechanicsville July 3, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    Time for a little pre-game nap….


  66. 67 Carolina Lady July 3, 2009 at 6:21 pm

    Wanna play with some fireworks?


    (Just click on the black sky!)


  67. 68 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 3, 2009 at 6:40 pm

    Braves Rumors: Vazquez, Escobar
    By Ben Nicholson-Smith [July 3 at 3:27pm CST]

    Dave O’Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution says the Braves could deal Javier Vazquez or Yunel Escobar this month. Here are the details:

    * Bobby Cox and Frank Wren were deep in discussion for over an hour yesterday, so O’Brien has no doubt “they’re seriously trying to make a move.” Yesterday, O’Brien reported that the Braves planned to wait before making any deals.
    * The Braves don’t want to trade Javier Vazquez, but realize he could help them acquire an impact player, presumably a bat.
    * Despite his affordable contract, Yunel Escobar is a “legit possibility to be moved,” from what O’Brien hears.



  68. 69 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 3, 2009 at 6:57 pm

    In case anyone didn’t read Carol Rogers blog today, this is pretty funny.

    Speaking of Manuel, watching him walk to the mound on Wednesday night reminded me of this great little anecdote from Eddie Perez, who as you recall, caught for two years in Cleveland when Manuel was manager there.

    Some Indians starter – I can’t remember who Eddie said – was getting battered around and Manuel comes out to get him. As Eddie tells it (he’s standing there on the mound listening to the whole thing), when Manuel reaches for the ball, the pitcher tells him “I’m all right. I’m fine. I’m not tired.” And Manuel goes: “Yeah, but my outfielders are tired.”

    Eddie said even the pitcher had to crack a smile on that one.


  69. 70 Carolina Lady July 3, 2009 at 8:16 pm

    Great story, Ber!

    Man, I hope they don’t trade JV!

    Bye, Yunel!!


  70. 71 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 3, 2009 at 8:36 pm

    CL, I understand where you and SG are coming from with Javy, but his numbers this year are much better than previous years. Now, that may have something to do with a manager that doesn’t bash his manhood, or the fact some pitchers pitch better when no runs are scored for them…or both.
    Javy will be 33 later this month as well.
    His e.r.a. from 2004 on
    2004 4.91
    2005 4.42 (NL team)
    2006 4.84
    2007 3.74
    2008 4.67

    It’s really a shame the Phils and braves are in the same division, cuz they match up well, IMO.


  71. 72 Voice of Raisins July 3, 2009 at 9:00 pm

    Brooks Conrad!!!


  72. 73 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 3, 2009 at 9:00 pm

    Conrad is a great name!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  73. 74 Voice of Raisins July 3, 2009 at 9:10 pm

    Ken Rosenthal:

    • Frenchy toast: Here’s how one front-office man describes the Braves’ efforts to export Jeff Francoeur: “They’re trying to peddle him everywhere. They’re calling people all over baseball. But nobody’s biting. Right now, he’s about as ugly as he can get offensively. He’s the kind of guy we’d think about taking a gamble on over the winter — if he gets non-tendered and you could take him for a very low base. But right now, I think they’re stuck with him.”

    • It’s got to be Yunel: On another front, how willing are the Braves to deal Yunel Escobar now that he’s journeyed deep into Bobby Cox’s doghouse? Depends on whom you ask. An executive of one team reports: “They’re not moving him. He still figures in their plans for next year, and they’ve got him for low dollars.” But an official of another team that inquired says the response was “a very, very wobbly maybe.” Realistically, though, the Braves have no other feasible options at shortstop. So an Escobar trade seems highly unlikely, no matter how unhappy the manager might be with him.


  74. 75 Voice of Raisins July 3, 2009 at 9:13 pm

    Just read DOB’s speculation on the Braves trade market. If he’d been reading over here over the last week or so he’d have been more on top of things… 😀


  75. 76 Voice of Raisins July 3, 2009 at 10:01 pm

    I do NOT like the red hats… 😦


  76. 77 Voice of Raisins July 3, 2009 at 10:04 pm

    5 in a row… I like it. 😀


  77. 78 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 3, 2009 at 10:08 pm

    I don’t like the caps either V! But like you, I like 5 in a row! 🙂


  78. 79 Carolina Lady July 3, 2009 at 10:17 pm

    I kinda like the name Conrad, also! Got a good friend by that name.

    What’s with the stupid red hats???


  79. 80 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 3, 2009 at 10:23 pm

    CL, 😉
    I think it has something to do with the 4th..don’t quite get that…why not tri color???


  80. 81 Voice of Raisins July 3, 2009 at 10:27 pm

    How about the NL East standings, huh? Phils still in 1st, but FL is only 1 game back. ATL and NYM 2 games back with the Nats 16 down.


  81. 82 Savannah Guy July 3, 2009 at 10:32 pm

    Just got in and saw the bottom 9th. Whew… Soriano can make it interesting. Nail biting, towel over head stuff. But a WIN!!! Brooks Conrad, yes. Haven’t read the box yet but I can tell it was not exactly a pitchers duel. K out early?

    Saw fireworks with friends tonight. The best part of fireworks is watching and hearing the kids. Ohhhh, ahhh, shreeks, squeals, screams of delight… fun, adorable… good stuff.

    Bear, that “tired outfielder” story is a classic. I’ll have to save that one.

    On Javy… it doesn’t matter what happened in the past with Javy. Pitchers that can get hitters out is a super premium today with so few available. He’s got a few years left. Or one or two. If you only look at the numbers you take out the “steroid era” batter differential and the human equation, as you eluded to. The guy knows how to pitch. We need him. If you tell Wren to trade him I’ll have no choice but to go over y’all’s heads and go straight to JS. 😆


  82. 83 Savannah Guy July 3, 2009 at 10:33 pm

    Hate the red caps.


  83. 84 Savannah Guy July 3, 2009 at 10:35 pm

    I kinda like the name Conrad, also!

    Was he a heavy-set detective?


  84. 85 Savannah Guy July 3, 2009 at 10:53 pm

    French 0’fer. Bobby throwing French out there every night is beyond loyalty, way past giving a chance to let him work out of a slump, no longer healthy, logical, reasonable or rational. This is way past the home town BMOC experiment. It is an exercise in futility. This has crossed the border of sane management and has become some sort of sado-masochistic ritual. Or in this case, maybe a maso-masochistic thing since nobody wants to hurt anybody. Too strange. Unintentionally hurtful for everyone. In my opinion, this kind of stuff is the metaphor of Bobby’s managing style.

    As soon as French started hitting better, he had to inject himself into the news with his turkey briefs thing. He couldn’t just keep his head down and play the game, he had to become the, uh, not face… the underwear of the Braves.


  85. 86 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 3, 2009 at 10:54 pm

    SG, yeah…Kawakami didn’t look very good…battled a bit, but…he looks like two different pitchers to me. When he’s on, as good as anyone on the team…when he’s bad, he seems like a so-so 5th starter.


  86. 87 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 3, 2009 at 10:56 pm

    SG, I ain’t that heavy set! 😡 I do drive a Lincoln like him though…


  87. 88 Gil in Mechanicsville July 3, 2009 at 10:56 pm

    Ever feel like the world is a tuxedo and you are a pair of brown shoes? Well, I like the red caps… I liked the blue ones too. I am not wild about the red and blue caps that are worn every day but that’s just me…

    Like I said earlier, maybe the Braves could call up Brooks Conrad…. Glad someone listened to me.

    And like I said earlier, the Nats can hit… They look much better with Morgan in centerfield too. Thank goodness for the Braves their pitching still stinks.


  88. 89 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 3, 2009 at 10:57 pm

    really nice show on WGN called Honor Flight, on WW2 vets, and it isn’t running again as far as I can tell…shoot.


  89. 90 Gil in Mechanicsville July 3, 2009 at 11:01 pm

    Ber, that’s what a so-so fifth starter is… inconsistent…

    Maybe he just doesn’t like the Washington pitcher’s mound… I think however he is still a bit gun shy. It took Soriano a while to get over his beaning too.


  90. 91 Gil in Mechanicsville July 3, 2009 at 11:06 pm

    A good day for me today. I managed to go 4 for 5 in completing task on my to do list. The nap likely took me out of my rhythm but then again, allowed me to watch the game without getting tired.

    And Adam Dunn hit that homerun a ton… That was a major league dinger that one. Of course it didn’t count anymore than Brooks Conrad’s. That one was no cheapie either.


  91. 92 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 3, 2009 at 11:12 pm

    Gil, I recall you mentioning Brooks! I think its got to be so exciting for folks him, getting to the big show, real per diem , making more in 2 weeks, than the whole year…and getting to be the hero…He will either sleep like a lamb, or be up all night…

    SG, you have to realize Frenchy is a big dumb puppy. Everyone roots for him, in spite of themselves. He was looking a lot better of late. He had 3 2 hit games in 6 games, then two o’fers….he seems completely unable to stay patient…That is where Bobby lets him down, IMHO. After a terrible AB, swinging at a pitch at eye level(like tonight) take him out of the game. A mental lapse in the field will get Yunel out, won’t it??? A lefty walks 1 or 2 guys, out of there…might be off the team if he does it in back to back games. I figure its a lot harder to throw strikes every night than to lay off pitches you know have to be 2 feet outside, since you never get strikes thrown at you with 2 strikes!!!! 🙄


  92. 93 Gil in Mechanicsville July 3, 2009 at 11:36 pm

    Frency’s problem is the big situation always seems to find him no matter where he is hitting in the order. In his first at bat he hit the ball 401 feet but out as that is the deepest part of the park, he smashed one down the third base line too but out.

    The biggest concern is now that he has stopped swing at pitches outside the strike zone, pitchers have discovered he cannot hit mid to high fastballs thrown over the plate… A lot like Schafer…

    Unless the Braves send him down, I think we are just going to have to ride this one out.


  93. 94 Gil in Mechanicsville July 4, 2009 at 8:15 am

    Lost in the win was Nate’s slow start. Looked a bit like he did when he first showed up in Atlanta. Maybe it is all about timing.

    Are the Rangers in trouble? Said that they are having trouble making payroll.

    And good work by Charlie Morton. Shutout the Marlins for 6 inning last night. I hope he works out for the Pirates. It is good when both parties benefit from a trade.

    Day game today. Looks like I will actually get to watch it today. Just did not feel like making the picnic scene today.


  94. 95 Salty July 4, 2009 at 8:24 am

    …why not tri color???
    Bad memories…Expos! 😦


  95. 96 Salty July 4, 2009 at 8:29 am

    Javy…Esco…no trade…not going to get value. Don’t overlook one thing; when Esco gets admonished, he comes back…he doesn’t sulk…or at least that’s my view. At his price, you keep using the switch on him. With all due respect to Bobby, I don’t care about his doghouse…it works to the team’s detriment at times…especially the past few years. Nope, that track record ain’t so good. His parenting is ‘inconsistent’ of late (aka: since 2006).

    JV is in a good spot for one of the first times in his career…and he’s young, again my view, 33. I don’t put much stock in age anyway. How can we drool all over a 40+ year old pitcher, and a 36 year old 3B, and call a 33 year old …uh, old?


  96. 97 Salty July 4, 2009 at 8:31 am

    Uh…and whilst I’m dominatin’ for the first time in ages…Kelly’s gone. Prado, Infante, Conrad (“Go ahead; I dare you!)…he’s better than them? Don’t think so…


  97. 98 Savannah Guy July 4, 2009 at 9:29 am

    Well, I like the red caps… I liked the blue ones too. I am not wild about the red and blue caps that are worn every day but that’s just me…

    Gil, I don’t like the blue/red combo either, but I dislike the red even more. Solid blue, fine. Maybe it’s the color of red… different red maybe better, not sure. For that matter, I’ve never liked the Braves uniform’s either. The 80’s caps and uni’s were horrible. Expo-ish. Methinks a design change is in order. Call in, uh, some designer that will change everything from the ‘A’ icon and typography to the icon to the caps and uni. All of it. Please just don’t give us a Colorado uni with that odd jersey or a Pittsburg Pillbox hat.

    NY Yankees have the best uniform, at home anyway. I like Bosox too. I’ll have to look around for other styles.

    Unless the Braves send him down, I think we are just going to have to ride this one out.

    That’s what I’m afraid of too. That’ll probably happen ‘cause there ain’t no trade value now. Bobby would never use a switch, as Salty mentions, but Jeff could be helped with riding the pine a while. A splinter might be a reminder to think at the plate (before the pitch).


  98. 99 Savannah Guy July 4, 2009 at 9:31 am

    Salty, three consecutive posts ain’t dominatin’, son.

    You can use the D word after you’ve reeled off 8 or 10 unanswered posts. 😛


  99. 100 Savannah Guy July 4, 2009 at 9:52 am

    However… (and in all seriousness) Salty, I agree with every single sentiment in your 8:29. Dittos all.

    Couple things about Yunel that I keep thinking when I watch him play.

    Thing one: the ‘tude. I don’t care to armchair analize him and such, but a lot of what I see is just immature, Latino macho. He’s young and he’s fresh off the boat… literally. With the right mentoring from his teammates and coaching, including behind closed door smacks when he get’s an unhelpful attitude, he would grow up a bit quicker than if left to his own devices and perhaps his environment growing up. By the way, other than being the first to arrive and the last to leave the buffet, what is Chino’s role again?

    Thing two: If you’ve heard this elsewhere I’d be surprised. Yunel is not going to be shortstop for a long period of time. Have no idea what his parents look like or what genes he’s carrying around but he isn’t the wirey, lean machine that typically inhabits that ground between third and second. He’s chunked up quite a bit. Big boned from the waste down mostly. Narrow face gives the appearance of slim, but that’s where it ends… at the neck. His speed now is because of his youth.

    His hip may be a result of that weight. His weight and his hip (or knees) are going to shorten his SS career. In the meantime, he won’t be a Cal Ripken, Derek Jeter, or a host of others that have excelled in the position, from Walt Weiss to Raffy. It ain’t always just the talent, it’s the body type. SS requires the body of a tennis player.

    Second base requires the body type of a trash can… like Lemmer. Or Prado.

    That said, we play Yunel until it makes sense to trade him at his peak value. Barring further hip or other injuries, that could be a year or two. Who knows.


  100. 101 Savannah Guy July 4, 2009 at 9:54 am

    Dominating can also be three, uh, longish posts in a row. 😀


  101. 102 Savannah Guy July 4, 2009 at 9:55 am

    Happy Independence Day, y’all.

    Will this be the last 4th of July that our flag flies right side up?


  102. 103 Gil in Mechanicsville July 4, 2009 at 10:31 am

    SG… I agree on your observation that Yunel as a shortstop is not a long term endeavor. If he would get his mind right, I think he would have a long future as the Braves future third baseman. Personally, I don’t think he has the courage to be a second baseman. He does not like contact….

    Still, who knows what the future holds for the Braves? Anything can happen in a time span of a few days, just ask Sarah Palin and Mark Sanford… Of course for different reasons…

    And while I am on politics, I really like the chances of Bob McDonnell in the 2010 Virginia Governor’s race. Even SG would like this guy… it will be close however with northern Virginia becoming more liberal with every carpetbagging transplant.


  103. 104 Gil in Mechanicsville July 4, 2009 at 10:32 am

    And my flag will always be right side up, even if I have to fly the “Stars and Bars”….


  104. 105 Carolina Lady July 4, 2009 at 10:45 am

    Happy Birthday, America!
    And THANKS to the ones who made it possible!!

    An American Soldier

    He was getting old and paunchy
    And his hair was falling fast,
    And he sat around the Legion,
    Telling stories of the past.

    Of a war that he once fought in
    And the deeds that he had done,
    In his exploits with his buddies;
    They were heroes, every one.

    And ‘tho sometimes to his neighbors
    His tales became a joke,
    All his buddies listened quietly
    For they knew where of he spoke.

    But we’ll hear his tales no longer,
    For ol’ Bob has passed away,
    And the world’s a little poorer
    For a Soldier died today.

    He won’t be mourned by many,
    Just his children and his wife.
    For he lived an ordinary,
    Very quiet sort of life.

    He held a job and raised a family,
    Going quietly on his way;
    And the world won’t note his passing,
    ‘Tho a Soldier died today.

    When politicians leave this earth,
    Their bodies lie in state,
    While thousands note their passing,
    And proclaim that they were great.

    Papers tell of SO-CALLED ENTERTAINERS life stories
    From the time that they were young
    But the passing of a Soldier
    Goes unnoticed, and unsung.

    Is the greatest contribution
    To the welfare of our land,
    Some jerk who breaks his promise
    And cons his fellow man?

    Or the ordinary fellow
    Who in times of war and strife,
    Goes off to serve his country
    And offers up his life?

    The politician’s stipend
    And the style in which he lives,
    Are often disproportionate,
    To the service that he gives.

    While the ordinary Soldier,
    Who offered up his all,
    Is paid off with a medal
    And perhaps a pension, small.

    It’s so easy to forget them,
    For it is so many times
    That our Bobs and Jims and Johnnys,
    Went to battle, but we know,

    It is not the politicians
    With their compromise and ploys,
    Who won for us the freedom
    That our country now enjoys.

    Should you find yourself in danger,
    With your enemies at hand,
    Would you really want some cop-out,
    With his ever waffling stand?

    Or would you want a Soldier–
    His home, his country, his kin,
    Just a common Soldier,
    Who would fight until the end.

    He was just a common Soldier,
    And his ranks are growing thin,
    But his presence should remind us
    We may need his like again.

    For when countries are in conflict,
    We find the Soldier’s part
    Is to clean up all the troubles
    That the politicians start.

    If we cannot do him honor
    While he’s here to hear the praise,
    Then at least let’s give him homage
    At the ending of his days.

    Perhaps just a simple headline
    In the paper that might say:



  105. 106 Carolina Lady July 4, 2009 at 10:52 am

    “immature, Latino macho” – I think there’s a lot to that, SG.
    Usually anything having to do with ‘macho’ is immature. Add the ‘Latino’ and you have a 4-year-old. 😀


  106. 107 Gil in Mechanicsville July 4, 2009 at 10:54 am

    Great poem CL…


  107. 108 Carolina Lady July 4, 2009 at 10:55 am

    “what is Chino’s role again?”

    SG. I read “somewhere” – can’t remember where – that Chino took Yunel up the tunnel after one of his on-field blunders and gave him a chewing out that should go down in the record books. Even those on the bench got quiet.


  108. 109 Carolina Lady July 4, 2009 at 10:56 am

    Hey, Gil! Happy 4th to you and Miss Josie!

    My Fourth celebration plans? Stay indoors as much as possible, keep mother occupied with the TV – and work on that genealogy project!


  109. 110 Savannah Guy July 4, 2009 at 11:02 am

    Chino took Yunel up the tunnel after one of his on-field blunders and gave him a chewing out that should go down in the record books.

    Thanks CL, I did not know that. Glad to hear it. Maybe that tunnel needs a workout more often. Hopefully they’ll solve the attitude and mindset that causes blundering but not in the way that would dampen the kids spirit. The two are different.

    Great poem too. You’re on a roll. You go girl. 😀


  110. 111 Savannah Guy July 4, 2009 at 11:16 am

    Usually anything having to do with ‘macho’ is immature.

    True that. True machismo is revealed by men that don’t try to act the part, because if they did, they would simply be actors. John Wayne had the real thing. Jimmy Stewart, real deal. Ahhnold… big body, big ego, bad actor.

    Trying to be ‘macho’ is like behaving in such a way that would be described as having a ‘superiority complex’, which is a misnomer… there is no such thing as a superior human being that touts their superiority. It is a sense of inferiority that causes one to convince others of such, which of course over-compensation of the ugliest kind.

    Gil, even I would like Bob McDonnell? Is he to the right of Reagan? 😀

    Haven’t yet caught up on the Palin thing, therefore I don’t even know what to think about it. On the surface, it seems she’s “quitting”. At the moment, I can’t see how that could be good for her political career. Maybe it’s good for Alaska and maybe good for her personally… dunno. Strange. Unexpected.


  111. 112 Voice of Raisins July 4, 2009 at 11:18 am

    SG: If you’ve heard this elsewhere I’d be surprised. Yunel is not going to be shortstop for a long period of time.

    Gil: I think he would have a long future as the Braves future third baseman.

    Perhaps the Braves have the same sense… after all, they drafted 4 SS’s in this draft – in rounds 4, 9, 12 and 33 – all college products.

    I have been pretty vocal in my criticism over the lack of a future 3B in the pipeline, given Chipper’s age and decreased mobility. Maybe the future at 3B is not found in the pipeline, but about 45 feet to Chipper’s left.

    I think Bobby’s doghouse takes many forms and shapes. I believe many times we don’t know of the dwellers therein. But in Yunel’s case, his media magnetism makes it a bit difficult to keep anything “in house”. He is “high profile” personified.

    While I’m sharing my beliefs, I DO NOT believe Yunel will be traded this season. Why trade him for a bat when he swings a pretty good bat himself? That being said, I think it is a pretty good move to “announce” that you’ll listen. It is an easy way to open dialogue with other GM’s… dialogue which may lead in multiple directions. Yep, the ol’ bait and switch. Ask yourself one question: How often has any Braves GM being JS or being under JS publically “announced” any trade intentions with regard to their own players? Even though they have aggressively shopped Jeffrey, have they ever “announced” it? Nope…

    It’s all tactical, my friends… tactical posturing. Many pieces get moved all over the chess board before the king gets mated. 😯 Wait… that didn’t come out right…


  112. 113 Voice of Raisins July 4, 2009 at 11:35 am

    And then there’s this tid-bit offered by Gordon Edes of Yahoo! Sports:

    There is some speculation that the Braves might consider moving Escobar to the outfield.

    I can’t see that one myself, unless it’s to replace JF for one year. JHey will man RF beginning in 2011. 2010 will likely have McLouth in LF with Schafer back in CF.

    The other possibility is that the Braves would actually listen to offers for Schafer, in which case they’d keep Nate in CF and move Yunel to LF. Now that is a more likely scenario. Of course, there’s the pesky reality of no replacement at SS…


  113. 114 Savannah Guy July 4, 2009 at 11:49 am

    On the upside down flag: If this country ever gets to the point of being taken over by internal or external forces and powers whose very purpose and policies contradict the Constitution, limit or destroy free enterprise, limit or remove freedom, over taxation and cleverly but hardly disguised devices like Cap & Trade, carbon credits, Global Warming (renamed “climate change” due to the earth actually cooling), redistribution of wealth, nationalizing corporations and banning Christian references in public places, then the “extreme distress” signal of an upside down flag would be not only patriotic, but brave.

    Surely the “rulers” would attack, imprison or destroy those that called attention to the rogue socialist, Marxist, fascist regime. God help us all if that happens. I’m afraid that it would transpire in such a way that most people would be either too ignorant (brainwashed by the media), fearful of retribution to go along. Many, probably most, would simply be well intentioned and too naïve to believe that silence and compliance would be the best course for their own personal security as they watch one person and group after the other be “demonized” as they were being harassed, lose their wealth or their property, imprisoned, or destroyed.

    If our founding fathers had taken the safe course of going along with the British rule in an attempt to have a partial democracy, we would all be bowing to the King today. By revolting, England was saved and America was born. Before that, if Moses had not lead the Jews from Egypt, we might all be building pyramids today.

    The flag should not be flown upside down for a single issue or a personal issue, regardless of how much it effects us as individuals. However, if the fundamental principles and freedoms that our country was founded upon give way to a regime such as I’ve partially described, the distress flag will be flown by the brave patriots. There is a distinction.

    Hope and pray it never comes to that. I do.


  114. 115 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 4, 2009 at 11:54 am

    Happy 4th of July everyone! 🙂
    Great poem CL!


  115. 116 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 4, 2009 at 12:04 pm

    Our cat Callie, seen in photos here https://bravesandstuff.wordpress.com/our-own-candid-cameras/berigans-photos/

    Is a very sick kitty! 😦 She is dying. She has lost a lot of weight of late, and I felt a huge lump by her left shoulderblade just in the last few weeks. Took her to the vet Thursday to get an I.V. as I have heard being dehydrated is painful for cats. When there, the vet confirmed what I was thinking, a big Cancerous tumor…
    She told me to prepare for the inevitable…I was thinking I would be bringing her back in a few weeks or so to be put to sleep, still eating, not a lot, but still eating, and asking for food several times a day.
    Well, last night, she started to act strangely, rolled over several times very quickly, and I found the paper bag she had been hiding in of late that she had lost bladder control. I think it freaked both of us out. I thought it was some sort of stroke, since she seemed to want to get up, but the left side of her body wouldn’t cooperate. So I petted her for a long time, and she calmed down and rested…layed there for an hour or so, and when I finally was going to bed, she then walked over quickly to lay down in front of the computer tower!
    Knew vet would be open til Noon, so got up around 11 to call them, then remembered what day it was, and sure enough…they are closed.
    I guess we will have to take her to the emergency vet later on today. She joined the family in 1995…..


  116. 117 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 4, 2009 at 12:14 pm

    Now to happier thoughts, baseball….

    Olney’s Latest: Atlanta’s Potential Trade Partners
    By Mike Axisa [July 4 at 10:59am CST]

    ESPN.com’s Buster Olney chimes in with some players and teams that could matchup in a trade with the Braves, who could dangle Javier Vazquez and/or Yunel Escobar as bait. Most of the rumors are just Olney’s own speculation, but let’s round ’em up anyway.

    * The Red Sox have liked Escobar for a while, but don’t match up very well for a trade.
    * Jacoby Ellsbury could be a fit, but Boston would then need to find another centerfielder.
    * Olney speculates that the Red Sox could use their young pitching to engage a third team in a trade, mentioning that Matt LaPorta, Shin-Soo Choo and Corey Hart could be a good fit.
    * Boston could eat some of the money left on Julio Lugo’s deal to give Atlanta a stop-gap shortstop should they deal Escobar.
    * The Red Sox are not interested in Jeff Francoeur.
    * If Milwaukee and Atlanta discussed a Vazquez-Hart swap, the Brewers would likely have to kick in another piece.
    * The Twins could offer one of their many outfielders in exchange for Escobar. Delmon Young might not be enough to entice the Braves, but Michael Cuddyer or Denard Span could be.
    * The Dodgers would love to add Vazquez to their rotation, but Juan Pierre probably wouldn’t be enough given his lack of power.
    * The A’s could package Matt Holliday and Orlando Cabrera, both free agents after the season, for Escobar, who would step in as Oakland’s shortstop of the future.



  117. 118 Gil in Mechanicsville July 4, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    Ber, I am really sorry to hear about your pet. I know first hand how tough it is to make the decision of what is right for the animal verses our own personal desires. Cats, independent as they are can still be wonderful companions and have a generous nature towards those they love.


  118. 119 Gil in Mechanicsville July 4, 2009 at 12:33 pm

    SG… So… how do you really feel??? 🙂

    Trade rumors are what they are… rumors. at least however, some folks realize the Braves are the ones who hold value….


  119. 120 Savannah Guy July 4, 2009 at 12:38 pm

    So sorry to hear about your cat, Bear. They are a part of our family. I’ve had to put several down and it is very difficult but sometimes necessary for the good of the family and it’s the most humane decision for the pet. I’ve mistakenly spent thousands of dollars to save a loved cat, only to succeed in extending it’s discomfort and pride. My good intentions were unwise. It wasn’t the money, it was the extension of the inevitable.

    Sounds morbid, but after a solid diagnosis (sounds like you already have that), I would strongly recommend this: have the vet administer a sedative in the IV, prior to the other, life-ending drug. A much kinder and gentler way of doing this than only the one shot.

    I feel for you and your loved one.


  120. 121 Savannah Guy July 4, 2009 at 12:40 pm

    Meant to say, extending it’s discomfort, not considering it’s loss of pride. Sorry.


  121. 122 Savannah Guy July 4, 2009 at 12:51 pm

    o… how do you really feel???

    Flag’s flyin’ high today, if that’s any indication. 😀

    Just wish there was a bit of breeze to fluff it up a little, and not be so dag blasted hot and muggy. Maybe when the tide turns it’ll pick up.


  122. 123 Savannah Guy July 4, 2009 at 12:55 pm

    It’s gonna be fun to watch Brooks play second today. Wonder if he can fill in at third? Gotta play Prado now, but if Conrad is ready, that makes our infield options that much better.


  123. 124 Savannah Guy July 4, 2009 at 1:13 pm

    The little town of Stuffville has a leaning flag pole and an old, ragged, tattered flag. Some holes there too.

    This flag is wearing kinda thin.


  124. 125 Carolina Lady July 4, 2009 at 1:15 pm

    Ber, my heart hurts for you and Callie. It will be a wonderful release for her – release from pain she’s probably had for a long time but hid from you. Cats are good at that. And it has surely spread. Unfortunately, I’ve been there, done that – so I do understand. I agree with SG on the 2 shots. My vet always does that because it is so much easier on the cat. A very quiet, peaceful way to slip away.

    I’m more sorry than I can say, Ber. We love them so much and it hurts so bad when they have to leave us.

    (I have tears now remembering my last ‘baby’ that I had to help go peacefully – and that was 7 years ago. RIP, Tucker.)


  125. 126 Carolina Lady July 4, 2009 at 1:20 pm

    Terrific video, SG! Now I really have tears!!

    And my flag flies everyday, 365 – except in hurricanes. Put it up every day, take it down every night.


  126. 127 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 4, 2009 at 1:31 pm

    Gil, SG, CL….thanks….
    Callie was the least troublesome of any of our cats…and she decided it would be too much of a hassle to have us drag her to some expensive 24 hour Animal hospital, and passed away an hour ago. Rest in peace Callie.


  127. 128 Savannah Guy July 4, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    From an old “simple weather predictor” thing I once had. To mark this day, I’ve changed “rope” to “flag”:

    Flag wet: Rain

    Flag dry: Sunny

    Flag hanging straight down: No breeze

    Flag blowing to right: Northeast wind

    Flag blowing to left: Southeast wind

    Flag straight out: Gale force wind

    Flag gone: Hurricane.


  128. 129 Savannah Guy July 4, 2009 at 1:42 pm

    So sorry Bear. What a special cat that lives and passes away without trouble, and maintaining the pride to go on it’s own terms… marked on Independence Day of all days.

    RIP Callie. Be free until the reunion.


  129. 130 Savannah Guy July 4, 2009 at 1:42 pm

    Now I’m teared up. Much to do. Back later.


  130. 131 Voice of Raisins July 4, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    Sorry to hear about Callie, Ber. Pets are truly family members.


  131. 132 Carolina Lady July 4, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    Ber, words won’t help much right now but know that my heart goes out to you. I shed tears with you.


  132. 133 Gil in Mechanicsville July 4, 2009 at 2:49 pm

    Ber, my heart goes out to you Bro…

    Funny how they have so many patriotic things in DC, probably the most un patriotic place I know…


  133. 134 Gil in Mechanicsville July 4, 2009 at 2:49 pm

    An Hanson is twirling a gem. Two hits and no runs through 6


  134. 135 Gil in Mechanicsville July 4, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    And just like that, Dunn hits a bomb….#300 for him…


  135. 136 Salty July 4, 2009 at 2:56 pm

    Callie…loyal and considerate to the end…with dignity. Rest in Peace!


  136. 137 Gil in Mechanicsville July 4, 2009 at 2:58 pm

    That ball must have traveled 450 feet… Well, at least it wasn’t a cheapie. Snapped Hanson’s scoreless streak at 25 innings. Pretty impressive no matter what league you play in.


  137. 138 Salty July 4, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    SG…how true that three may not be domination, but for me, too many weeks when I don’t even make three posts. We’ll consider it ‘domination-lite’…and for me today is pure indulgence…and a fine day to enjoy the a ‘4th of July Parade in Stuffville’! 😆

    OH…I like Brooks!


  138. 139 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 4, 2009 at 3:08 pm

    V, Salty, and everyone else thanks again! Nice to see kind, understanding words from friends! 🙂

    I’ll dig up some more cute photos later on. Like I said before, 1995 when she came to us. Clinton was president, I was in my 20’s still(42 now) It was a long time ago. First times since the 80s we haven’t had a girl cat around.

    My fondest memory was one of my first of hers. Like so many of our cats, she was a stray. We had 3 at the time, and just couldn’t take on any more cats!(Ended up with 5 eventually!!!) I’d come home late from working at Borders in Duluth, Ga and she would be meowing….sniff my fingers , I don’t think I could pet her…so long ago, I can’t remember! When she kept showing up night after night…and it was getting colder, I would leave the garage door open a few feet. Then I left an old towel so she wouldn’t have to lay on the cold concrete. Still not enough for her, she was wanting to come in. I remember telling her, “hon, we can’t take another cat in, plus, who knows what diseases you are carrying???” So, you know what this cat that had just said hello a week or so did???
    She jumped into my arms, and put her head on my shoulder!
    Makes me still tear up thinking about it. I give girl….needless to say, we took her in….


  139. 140 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 4, 2009 at 3:26 pm

    Didn’t even know there was a game til Gil said Hanson had gone 6 scoreless.. man, this hurts. Gonzo had pitched 3 straight games, and 4 or the last five. And today’s obviously a day game, so even less rest. Bobby HAS to start counting on other guys, trusting Acosta in more than mop up rolls. Can’t just use Moylan, Soriano, Gonzo, and O’Flaherty in tight situations.


  140. 141 Carolina Lady July 4, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    And there are people who think that cats aren’t affectionate!

    Game? uh – did we win? 😐


  141. 142 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 4, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    CL, I know! I also know 2 people that had no use for cats, (Like my Uncle) but once one came in their lives, they wised up, and found out how great they are.

    No win…up 3-1, gave up 4 in the 8th cuz the bullpen is wiped out. Lost 5-3.


  142. 143 Carolina Lady July 4, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    Of course we lost. We were playing the worst team in MLB….

    I shoulda known! 😦


  143. 144 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 4, 2009 at 5:13 pm

    Updated: July 4, 2009, 5:05 PM ET
    Report: McNair found dead
    Comment Email Print Share
    ESPN.com news services

    Former Tennessee Titans quarterback Steve McNair has been killed, a source has confirmed to ESPN.com.

    McNair, police said, suffered a fatal gunshot wound to the head in downtown Nashville. A female victim was also found dead, police spokesperson Don Aaron said. Aaron said the woman has not been identified, pending notification of next of kin.

    The incident happened near 2nd South & Lea Ave in Nashville.

    McNair played 13 seasons in the NFL, 11 were with the Titans. He played his final two years with the Baltimore Ravens, retiring after the 2007 season.

    McNair was picked third overall in the 1995 draft out of Alcorn State by the then Houston Oilers


  144. 145 Carolina Lady July 4, 2009 at 6:16 pm

    from Carroll Rogers:

    “The Braves announced Saturday they have promoted prospects Jason Heyward and Freddie Freeman to Class AA Mississippi.

    Heyward, ranked the Braves’ No. 2 prospect by Baseball America, hit .296 with 12 doubles, 10 homers, 31 RBI and 34 runs in 49 games for Class A Myrtle Beach.

    Freeman, ranked the Braves’ No. 5 prospect by Baseball America, hit .302 with 19 doubles, six homers, 34 RBI and 43 runs in 70 games for the Pelicans.”



  145. 146 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 4, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    CL, that is interesting! For every Frenchy rushed, there are several very young players that do just fine. Justin Upton, Ken Griffey Jr, A-Rod…and they will be older than them…AA seems just fine. I really wish it was like the old days, and they would bring them up in Sept to get a taste of the bigs now, an prepare next year (After AZ league) to either start in AAA or even the bigs….
    I haven’t seen any of Freeman (or did I in spring training?) but I saw Heyward on tape(I mean footage on dvd?) and that is one beautiful swing! A leftie of course…


  146. 147 Carolina Lady July 4, 2009 at 9:06 pm

    Good night, all! These meds have my head spinning so I’m going to turn in before somebody has to pick me up off the floor! 😆



  147. 148 Savannah Guy July 4, 2009 at 9:22 pm

    Did CL mix a little something in that Diet Coke? Hey, don’t go to bed and waste what so many pay good money to experience. 😆

    Missed the game today, but it’s not surprising that the pen blew one. Bear is right about Cox needing to throw some other arms out there. Instead, we seem to wear out just a few. I wear out favorite shoes because to be favorite they have to be most comfortable, but I’d hope to spread it around a bit with pitchers.

    Never thought I’d see it, but Acosta has looked like a new man this year. He had the talent before, but he seems to have found the confidence to go along with it. How he found that must’ve come from within, because I can’t remember a confidence boosting outing he had last year.

    Beaten by the Nats. Oh well, a consolation may be that they beat up on the Yanks and Bosox, right? Win tomorrow and win the series before heading to Chi-town.


  148. 149 Savannah Guy July 4, 2009 at 10:00 pm

    Looks like I arrived at closing time.

    G’nite and sleep tight.


  149. 150 flbravesgirl July 4, 2009 at 11:26 pm

    Hope y’all had a good 4th! Busy here gearing up for Birthday Fest ( Melissa’s & my birthdays are only 2 days apart).

    Ber, I’m so sorry about your precious Callie. It’s been several years now since I lost Ricci to cancer & I think about her all the time.


  150. 151 flbravesgirl July 4, 2009 at 11:28 pm

    I saw Freeman this spring. HUGE kid. I’d hate to have to feed him & Heyward, they are big boys.


  151. 152 flbravesgirl July 4, 2009 at 11:48 pm

    I like the Braves’ unis. Very traditional. They look nearly the same as when my dad became a fan as a little kid of the then-Milwaukee Braves. I hate those blue jerseys & caps though, look like cheap BP jerseys.


  152. 153 Gil in Mechanicsville July 5, 2009 at 8:56 am

    Good morning all, very cloudy this morning. I don’t know if rain is eminent but it’s dark for sure.

    Well, I told you folks the Nats could swing the bat. I don’t know who else Bobby could have run out there in the eight. They score runs off of Moylan and O’Flarerty too. Of course Gonzo put them on base but that was because he was over throwing the ball…


  153. 154 Savannah Guy July 5, 2009 at 9:22 am

    Top ‘o the mornin’. Gil, we’ll take rain here right about now. Just too hot and humid enough to sweat in 5 minutes without doing anything but not humid enough to do any good for the lawn and garden. Glad I have my own well water or this would be an expensive garden.

    Sorry I missed the game yesterday, mostly to see Hanson. That kid is really pitching. Hannan is no slouch either, but 3 runs ain’t gonna win lot’s of ball games… not with with a tired pen and against good sluggers.

    We have the starting pitching to compete and we have enough talent to score some runs in fits and starts, but the two biggest problems now are; we’re missing a cleanup bopper that would change the entire lineup and, we’re dragging a ball and chain around in LF. Dead wood that needs to be cleaned out.

    Think KJ was given a graceful exit in the DL assignment? I have no idea, but wouldn’t be surprised. Hey, a wrist case sounds better than a head case. Maybe teams that may one day (winter?) be interested in Kelly would assume his slump was wrist related and take him off our hands.

    Haven’t had time to look into Brooks Conrad. Is he ready for prime time?


  154. 155 Savannah Guy July 5, 2009 at 9:38 am

    Speaking of uni’s, I think Kotch and Kawakami would look just fine in Nats colors.


  155. 156 Carolina Lady July 5, 2009 at 12:10 pm

    If you haven’t seen this guy, you just gotta check it out!

    And! How many here can do what this lady does???


  156. 157 Carolina Lady July 5, 2009 at 12:56 pm

    Okay, have you guys ever wondered what the pilots see when they are making a landing in really bad visibility??

    This is a CAT 3 (Category 3) full auto pilot landing in Brussels. The main gear is on the ground before the pilots can even see the runway. The numbers being read audibly are altitude readings. You have watch the BOTTOM of the video screen.


    (I was in only one Cat 3 landing in London and I tell you I don’t ever want to be in another one! They couldn’t even see to taxi to the gate! Had to be guided by ground control’s radar.)


  157. 158 Savannah Guy July 5, 2009 at 3:21 pm

    I’d rather go to a Skinner concert than land in a Cat 3. Or 2 or 1. 😯

    Good stuff, CL.


  158. 159 Carolina Lady July 5, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    I hope Kevin does really, really well! That was a really great performance. Came straight out of his heart!

    Imagine sitting in that cockpit, descending at so many feet per second, you’re down below a hundred feet, fifty feet, thirty feet, TWENTY FEET and you STILL can’t see the runway lights!! Wowser! That’s got a pretty high ‘pucker factor’!


  159. 160 Savannah Guy July 5, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    Braves are a frustrating team this year. Sweep Phillies then lose 2 out of 3 to the worst team in baseball, the lowly Nats. Go figger. Uninspired baseball. Missing a bat. We have so many holes in the lineup. Automatic outs scattered throughout. I wish Cox would just go ahead and play Conrad a few games at second, put Prado at first, anybody in left instead of GA, keep Diaz in right.

    Between Kotchman, KJ (DL), GA, and French, we don’t have enough consistency in hitting to put runs on the board. The guys we need to build around are too few and far between. On top of that, Chipper is slumping and only one home run in 95 AB’s.

    Sweeping the Phils showed heart and talent. Losing to Nats shows the other side of our struggling, inconsistent, uninspired club. Mix those two together and win half your games. That’s a classic .500 team for ya.


  160. 161 Savannah Guy July 5, 2009 at 4:46 pm

    Heard a funny one in church today:

    In the North, they begin stories with:

    Once upon a time…

    In the South, they begin stories like this:

    Y’all ain’t gonna believe this one…

    Can I get an amen? 😀


  161. 162 Carolina Lady July 5, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    Amen, brother!!

    And if you hear Bubba or somebody say, “Hey, y’all, watch this!” you may as well go ahead and dial 911 ’cause somebody’s gonna need it! 😆


  162. 163 Savannah Guy July 5, 2009 at 7:04 pm



  163. 164 Savannah Guy July 5, 2009 at 7:58 pm

    Oh, the humanity! I need to wash my eyes out…

    This clip may very well be one of the only things worth reading from across the street this afternoon, from a staff writer that is kind and seems a good person, Carroll Rogers:

    some postgame for those who are interested….

    “We just got beat today,” Chipper Jones said. “They just outpitched us, outhit us, played good defense. Yesterday was the one that hurt.”

    last was the eighth inning disaster, you recall, when the Braves spoiled a 3-1 lead for Tommy Hanson.

    “Yesterday killed all of our momentum,” Jones said. “Everybody was feeling good. We were upbeat. On a winning streak, everything was rounding into form and we didn’t show up in the eighth ining and all of a sudden all of the momentum stops. You give them a breath of fresh air, renewed hope to be able to win the series with a good performance today and lo and behold they did.”

    Now, I like Chipper and he’s a HOF guy and I don’t want to pick apart his words from an impromptu interview with the ajc staff writer, but these are the kind of comments that drive me nuts. Chipper does that from time to time and I don’t think they’re helpful to the team at all.

    The leadership of the Braves, of which should include Jones, need to create their own momentum, make their own luck, refuse to succumb to swings in innings and not be subject to other teams controlling the “momentum” or the game. That’s what separates the winners from the losers in any sport and in life. After getting knocked down, winners get up from the ground and seize opportunities given and make good things happen when those opportunities don’t present themselves. Damn the inevitable in-game “momentum” shifting. Make it happen, don’t wait on it to happen.

    Makes it sound like our guys gave in a little sooner today because they blew one yesterday. So, in other words, it was out of their control? The gods of momentum predestined the Braves to succumb to the ravages and evils of momentum.

    You know Cox ain’t gonna talk these kids through this “momentum” crap and pump them up. Chipper seems to be buying into the inevitability of, when blowing one, losing the next day just gets chalked up to fate. So who is going to step up and rile this dysfunctional team up and get them to scrap for runs and refuse to lose? Who is it? Is there a man aboard?

    I know Chipper is a great competitor and I don’t think he meant exactly how his words came out or consider how they might represent his attitude, but he needs to get better at communicating. Most of his teammates listen to him and learn from him. He’s not being a good teacher here.

    What makes that even more damaging is, in the hierarchy of the club, he’s at the top of all players. Finding a younger or newer teammate to seize the ‘attitude reins’ and preempt or contradict Chipper is gonna be tough. May get in Bobby’s doghouse and never get out.

    Maybe I’m making too much out of it but comments like this, particularly from veterans that are titular heads of the team, just rub me the wrong way. Am I off base here?


  164. 165 Carolina Lady July 5, 2009 at 8:07 pm

    SG, I’m of the opinion that ONE inning should not have any effect their efforts in any subsequent innings, especially in the next day’s game!

    That is ONE bloomin’ inning!

    I can’t second guess Chipper. He’s there and I’m not, but, according to that article, they LET the Nats win by giving up. And, no, Bobby will never address that.

    Chino? Right.

    Where, oh where is Pat Coralles when he is so badly needed??? Where is Smoltzie? Glavine?? Oh, yeah..never mind!

    Where is – anybody???

    One lousy inning. “For the want of a nail…”


  165. 166 Carolina Lady July 5, 2009 at 8:10 pm

    A thought: maybe this is why Anderson has the lack of enthusiasm that he does. He sees that they have no fire in ’em. If they are playing inning by inning, they – and we – can forget them ever being better than they are right now.

    Until something changes.


  166. 167 Gil in Mechanicsville July 5, 2009 at 8:31 pm

    One step forward, two steps back….

    Well, I warned you folks that the Nats could swing it, I just didn’t expect their defense to be so improved. Maybe they can beat someone else in the division besides the Braves….


  167. 168 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 5, 2009 at 10:13 pm

    Saw the last few innings of the game. The teams offense is so inconsistent. Starters who are always pitching in games that they are behind in, well…it’s not a good thing. The last hit Lowe gave up was a good sinker. Should have left him in.
    And Joe Simpson seems to have it out for Yunel, acting like the terrible throw by McCann wasn’t the issue on the stolen base, that Yunel was late in covering 2nd. If the throw was on the money, or to the left of the bag, it wouldn’t have been an issue.
    Boog said, while we played well against the Red Sox twice, and the Yankees, they still won those series, which is what better teams do to lesser teams.
    You cannot lose 2 of 3 to the Nats, and expect to win. Best hope(unless a big deal is made) is for a .500 team.


  168. 169 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 6, 2009 at 12:39 pm

    No posts since mine at 10 PM???? 😯


  169. 170 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 6, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    and is it just me, or does the 😯 look…different??? 😕

    Here’s an analogy for braves fans. We are like the girlfriend that sticks by the boyfriend thru thick and thin. And when the boyfriend is off the sauce, everything seems great, the gal imagines getting married, even having a family…then he starts to drink, and everything goes off the rails.

    Now, we just need to keep the braves off of whatever makes them suck so much! 😛


  170. 171 Carolina Lady July 6, 2009 at 1:05 pm

    New icons! How ’bout that!


  171. 172 Voice of Raisins July 6, 2009 at 1:09 pm

    Regarding Steve McNair:

    “As good as he was on the football field, that couldn’t touch the person,” agent Bus Cook said Sunday, still shaken by McNair’s death. “I mean it just couldn’t.”

    Why do people lie like that? The dude was shacking up with a 20 year old hussy while lying to his wife and 4 kids and the rest of the world. We won’t even mention his numerous substance related police altercations.

    The point is, he was killed by his girlfriend, leaving behind a wife and 4 kids. He was not a good person. He was a turd. I get so tired a our tolerant, “open minded” society… or lack of real society.


  172. 173 Voice of Raisins July 6, 2009 at 1:13 pm

    … get the Braves off the sauce… 😆

    Priceless!!! 😀


  173. 174 Voice of Raisins July 6, 2009 at 1:13 pm

    Whoa! 😯


  174. 175 Voice of Raisins July 6, 2009 at 1:13 pm

    My smiley has teeth!!! 😀


  175. 176 Voice of Raisins July 6, 2009 at 1:16 pm

    “As good as he was on the football field, that couldn’t touch the person,” agent Bus Cook said Sunday, still shaken by McNair’s death. “I mean it just couldn’t.”


    I am waiting for the same quote from his wife. I won’t hold my breath. 😐


  176. 177 Voice of Raisins July 6, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    … it just flares me up! Can you tell?


  177. 178 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 6, 2009 at 1:23 pm

    Nope, can’t tell at all V! :mrgreen:


  178. 179 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 6, 2009 at 1:25 pm

    Wow, that smilie looks amateurish! I can see the edges!

    Carroll Rogers of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution hears the Royals “covet” Yunel Escobar. As O’Brien says, Mark Teahen alone would not likely be enough to acquire the Braves’ shortstop.



  179. 180 Gil in Mechanicsville July 6, 2009 at 1:26 pm

    While the entire political world is in a thither about Sarah Palins’ future plans and reasons for her abrupt resignation as Governor of Alaska, I think she had the perfect answer… “I’m going fishing with my family”…

    Hey works for me, I am going to do the same thing tomorrow.

    Ber, great analogy and Raisins, people see only what they want to see….

    Like Bobby Cox… but different….


  180. 181 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 6, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    Ha! I didn’t even realize that the guy went from calling Ms. Rogers to O’Brien in the same post! 😉
    And looking at Mark Teahen’s numbers, umm, yeah it would take more than him. Infante could put up those numbers http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=6011


  181. 182 Voice of Raisins July 6, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    Dr. Sherry Blake, a clinical psychologist who practices in the Atlanta area, has counseled athletes and entertainers about the temptations of easy drugs, alcohol and women. She talked Sunday about the challenges even for those with strong family ties, though not about the McNair case specifically.

    “Individuals can’t get enough of the limelight. It’s easy to have people telling you how great and wonderful you are rather than otherwise,” Blake said.

    Not to mention the fact that we live in a PC society where anything goes. If you try to call anybody out for being a turd, you’re called intolerant and close-minded… maybe even racist. This is a generation of people with no moral standards and no accountability.

    Not in my house…


  182. 183 Voice of Raisins July 6, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    ’nuff said…

    Got it off my chest now.


  183. 184 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 6, 2009 at 1:35 pm

    🙂 😀 😦 😮 😯 😕 8) 😡 😐 😉 😆
    😳 😥 👿 😈 ❗ ❓ 💡 ➡ :mrgreen:


  184. 185 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 6, 2009 at 2:05 pm

    Well, Mark Bradley stole, err, I mean borrowed a bit from Olney’s blog on possible trade partners for Yunel. From comments on the ajc, and on MLB traderumors, people seem to miss the fact he was just tossing out possibilities, not probabilities.


  185. 186 Gil in Mechanicsville July 6, 2009 at 2:29 pm

    Yes, it appears that people in the media feel a strong sense that they need to see their own words in print… They often want more to be the story than to tell the story. Products of the “me” generation perhaps?

    I look upon the situation with the Braves as one like the driver who is running low on fuel. Does he risk running out while seeking the lowest price per gallon or does he realize that the time of bargain shopping is past because no one really wants to have to walk to the nearest gas station because the tank ran empty. Where upon the driver finds he not only has to walk and pay the prevailing rate but an extra $50 for a container to carry his purchase back to his car.

    So, my advice is to the Braves is either make the deal or not leave home in the first place.


  186. 187 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 6, 2009 at 2:54 pm

    Gil, good advice! It would appear that with their being such dearth of starters out there, we would be in a position of power, but everyone seems to be of the opinion that they will not trade their top prospects. Well, that’s good up to a point, but somehow I don’t think Wren is going to trade Javy for Corey Hart. His swing looks terrible now. He still manages to run into more pitches than frenchy, for homers I mean…but same bad average, same sort of swing with holes in it.

    And speaking of Frenchy, one swing, one out yesterday, behind on a 89 MPH “fastball” Anyone check his birth certificate??? I could pass for late 20’s with a haircut and a shave, maybe he’s in his late 30’s and is losing batspeed! 😆


  187. 189 flbravesgirl July 6, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    New emoticons? Cool! 😀


  188. 190 flbravesgirl July 6, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    VOR, I consider myself to be an open-minded & tolerant person but I still believe in morals & responsible behavior. In my book, a cheating jerk is just that. Feel better now?


  189. 191 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 6, 2009 at 5:52 pm

    gully washer in Jonesboro!!!! 😯


  190. 192 Gil in Mechanicsville July 6, 2009 at 6:18 pm

    I am sure all of you folks are aware of the serial killer on the loose in Gafney South Carolina. I am so reminded of how everyone felt when Malvo, the DC Sniper, was creating havoc here in 2002.

    Ben Franklin said it best that “Democracy is when two wolves and a sheep are voting to decide whats for dinner. Liberty is when a well armed sheep defends his rights as a minority.”

    Great clip there CL. Yes, my God Bless America, and may she find her way back from the dark.


  191. 193 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 6, 2009 at 7:06 pm

    Looks like they have shot, and killed the serial killer! Good, no lawyers will get famous trying to defend him, no tax dollars wasted feeding and educating him.


  192. 194 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 6, 2009 at 7:07 pm

    ESPN, but no Joe Morgan!


  193. 195 Savannah Guy July 6, 2009 at 8:08 pm

    Joe Morgan was the serial killer? Oh, my…

    What’s up with all these new emoticons things? You are a bunch of sillies.

    🙄 😆 :mrgreen:


  194. 196 Savannah Guy July 6, 2009 at 8:08 pm



  195. 197 Savannah Guy July 6, 2009 at 8:09 pm

    That does it… I HATE the new emoticons. The old ones were so much, uh, cuter. 😥


  196. 198 Savannah Guy July 6, 2009 at 8:10 pm

    Can’t even tell what they are. WS conspiracy?


  197. 199 Savannah Guy July 6, 2009 at 8:23 pm

    Well, looks like that pesky momentum thing has hold of the game tonight. Must be a holdover from Washington. Nothing can be done to change momentum. It is written in the baseball ‘rules for losers’.

    Fitting. Nothing good comes out of Washington.

    Part of Francoeur interview on ajc blog:

    “Of course I want to play,” Francoeur said. “I’m not happy about it. But I can’t do anything about it. Like I said, I don’t make the lineups out….

    “I’ve got all the confidence in the world. I know I can play. Sometimes things just don’t work out the way you want to them. Every ballplayer wants to play. Just have to be patient and wait my turn, whether it’s here or somewhere else. I don’t control that.”

    Right. Now, that’s the good attitude Jeffy. He’s right about not making the lineups out, but he doesn’t have any problem making a plain old out.

    Instead of comments like “I don’t control that”, referring to playing somewhere else, he should focus on what he can control… his bat and his mouth.

    That boy is getting on my last nerve.


  198. 200 Savannah Guy July 6, 2009 at 8:24 pm

    Doesn’t McLouth realize that momentum is not on our side?



  199. 201 Savannah Guy July 6, 2009 at 8:33 pm

    McLouth home run… a momentum shift.

    Followed by a 3-1 count Chipper popout and a can of corn on the first pitch to Mac. Momentum gone. Poof.

    First, there is a mountain then there is no mountain then there is…


    That’s what it is.


  200. 202 Savannah Guy July 6, 2009 at 8:36 pm

    Dom dom dom dom…

    dom dom dom dommmmmm…



    Beethoven’s 6th.


  201. 203 Savannah Guy July 6, 2009 at 8:37 pm

    Notice how ESPN always compares every team to the Yanks?

    Too bad they don’t also have a glorious Mets team to drool over. Subway series drooling.


  202. 204 Savannah Guy July 6, 2009 at 8:39 pm

    The seagulls have gained momentum at Wrigley.


  203. 205 Savannah Guy July 6, 2009 at 8:39 pm

    ESPN droolage?


  204. 206 Savannah Guy July 6, 2009 at 8:42 pm

    Much like NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, PBS droolage, only different?


  205. 207 Savannah Guy July 6, 2009 at 8:42 pm



    Dance to the music…


  206. 208 Savannah Guy July 6, 2009 at 8:43 pm

    Gimme a D

    Gimme an O

    Gimme an M

    What’aya got?



  207. 209 Savannah Guy July 6, 2009 at 8:45 pm

    Call me… irresponsible,

    Call me… unreliable,

    Call me… dominatingly yours.


  208. 210 Savannah Guy July 6, 2009 at 8:48 pm

    Superstitions are for people that think momentum rules.

    We were missing our hammers but the arms were ok. Now both have abandoned us.

    That calls for an moavatarmentum shift.


  209. 211 Savannah Guy July 6, 2009 at 8:55 pm

    Need a momentum paradigm shifting button of some kind. This will cause the baseball universe to turn on it’s axis. Could be dangerous, but must try something.


  210. 212 Savannah Guy July 6, 2009 at 8:56 pm



  211. 213 Savannah Guy July 6, 2009 at 8:57 pm

    Oh well… thought ‘d try to fool WordPress.

    Silly me.


  212. 214 Gil in Mechanicsville July 6, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    I have been a long time fan of the Braves, I suffered through all the really lean years and reveled with the streak, but folks, I don’t know if I can go through another spell like the eighties. I feel like I am too old to start over.


  213. 215 Savannah Guy July 6, 2009 at 9:14 pm

    Gil, never fear. I just pushed the reset button.


  214. 216 Savannah Guy July 6, 2009 at 9:24 pm

    19 consecutive. New Stuffville record.

    But it ended. Gil aged a year reading through…


  215. 217 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 6, 2009 at 9:51 pm

    SG, you pushed the reset button like Obama did with Russia??? Great! I am happy O did that with Russia, now Putin won’t feel the need to poison journalists anymore, and the braves won’t feel the need to not score anymore, the reset button has been pushed! 😛


  216. 218 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 6, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    That smiley has a swollen tongue or something. How sad is it I can’t spell tongue without help. French word no doubt.

    Bobby Cox interview… “Cy Youngs Grandson out there, we hit the ball hard, just right at fielders…Jurrjens put us in a hole, how can you catch up from a 4-0 lead in this huge ballpark??? Nate batting leadoff, with 14 homers makes much more sense than anyone of the other 7 players on the team who each have less than 10 this year. It’s good to have him come up after the pitch makes an out, solo home runs win games, not 3 run Jack’s, everyone knows this!”

    Double 😛


  217. 219 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 6, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    It’s good to have him come up after the pitcher makes an out.

    It’s all SG’s fault, he’s single-handedly slowed the blog down! 😀


  218. 220 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 7, 2009 at 1:18 am

    FBG, now an early to bed, early to rise gal???


  219. 221 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 7, 2009 at 9:29 am

    SG, to dominate for 12 hours, now that is special….

    Just livin’ up to my handle.


  220. 222 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 7, 2009 at 9:44 am

    It’s going to be beyond crazy in La La land today…hope no one is killed…glad to see the economy is doing so well folks can take the day off, or travel from all corners of the world to mourn the loss of a pedophile. 🙄


  221. 223 Gil in Mechanicsville July 7, 2009 at 11:00 am

    Yes Berigan, shows how shallow some folks really are… Unfortunately, many can also vote. Ugh….

    And good for the Gastonia NC sheriff’s department… They saved everyone a lot of time effort and money.


  222. 224 Gil in Mechanicsville July 7, 2009 at 11:01 am

    And Ber. they are not mourning, most are there for the free concert…


  223. 225 Gil in Mechanicsville July 7, 2009 at 11:02 am

    10-1 someone gets killed in LA today at that farce…


  224. 226 Savannah Guy July 7, 2009 at 11:18 am

    It is disgusting, isn’t it. The MJ-LA concert, last respects celebration, star-studded ceremony, bigger than life spectacle for the senseless, shallow, conscience-free, idol worshipping throng.

    Unfortunately this will go on for years, with each new release of “never before heard”, unreleased works and titillating secret tales from/of the master of squeals, shrieks, crotch-grabbing, twinkle-toe dancing, plastic surgery obsessed man-child who “loved” young boys. Now we get to see his daddy litigate to capture the eggs from his estranged golden goose.

    Time to watch old movies and sports, ’cause there ain’t a news organization that can keep themselves from joining in and cashing in on the absurdity.


  225. 227 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 7, 2009 at 11:44 am

    SG, you could always talk braves baseball! 😛 Silly me. Why would anyone want to do that right now??? 😉

    Gil and SG…yes to all the above.
    My Dad sent some link from TMZ(I know he wouldn’t go there) with Gutsy congressman Peter King of New York(And probably soon to fear for his life) dissing Jackson(Here’s a link to the youtube clip http://watching-tv.ew.com/2009/07/michael-jackson-congressman-pete-king.html )

    Anyway, I for some unknown reason browsed tmz’s site, and had a story claiming 1 million Brits were going to come here. Now…There is no way you could get that many people here from overseas shy of several Queen Marys going round the clock along with flights and rail(well, perhaps not rail) but still, the thought that even say 50,000 would waste their moola to skip across the pond to be there…good grief.

    Some guy filling in for Glen Beck said they ought to take his body on a US tour….put him on display like Lenin was. And you know what??? Does it really seem that implausible????


  226. 228 Carolina Lady July 7, 2009 at 11:56 am

    Wowser. Thunderstorm of the century last night! Lasted for roughly 6 hours, 7 – 9+ inches of rain, major flooding in all those places that wetlands were paved over and built upon (duh!), some of the worst lightening I’ve seen in a LONG time! Whoa!

    Jackson: the epitome of absurdity. Y’all said it all above! The total sum of this terminally ill society we live in.

    Baseball: ❓


  227. 229 Savannah Guy July 7, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    Just finished lunch. A just picked ‘mater sammich with mayo and for dessert, a coupl’a just picked figs, cut into medallions, sprinkled with cinnamon, drizzled with honey, placed on toast then broiled in the toaster oven until soft and gooey.

    Mmmmmmmmmmmmm… mmm, good.

    CL says talk baseball so, uh, the ‘mater was the size of a baseball. 😀


  228. 230 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 7, 2009 at 12:15 pm

    Wow CL! Thank God you didn’t suffer any serious damage!!!
    We had an intense(but not that intense) storm yesterday, about 2 inches of rain, lasted 1 hour plus…drove down the road after it stopped and 2 miles away from the house, the road was dry! 😯


  229. 231 Savannah Guy July 7, 2009 at 12:15 pm

    Bear, at the moment I got nuthin’ on baseball. We still need a bopper but prolly won’t get one. We still need a whip-cracking, motivational manager but… we don’t have one. We need to win tonight but our SP’s are in a no-run-support funk.

    Well, I guess that’s something, but not much.


  230. 232 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 7, 2009 at 12:17 pm

    Well, if “we” don’t snap out of this funk soon, and lose the next 5 of 6 games…we should adopt a team to follow. Seattle??? Texas Braves, I mean Rangers???


  231. 233 Savannah Guy July 7, 2009 at 12:24 pm

    CL, glad you came out of that unharmed. I love those lightning storms, but they do seem to be stronger this year than I ever remember, along with higher tides a few weeks ago, the highest anyone can remember with over a foot of water covering the only access road to Tybee Island.

    Two twisters in two weeks, 60-80 mph winds, lightning, gully washers, driving hail… mother nature at it’s most glorious and destructive. I’m ready for a few days of calm ‘farmer’s rain’. No wind, hail or lightning.


  232. 234 Savannah Guy July 7, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    Bear, I’m a Bosox fan from way back, so I’m good with my AL team. I do wish the Braves had Ellsbury, Bay and Youklis. I’m not asking for the moon and stars… just the stars. 😆

    It’s hard to pull for another NL team. Giants should be interesting to follow now that they’re no longer a bail-bonds franchise.


  233. 235 Voice of Raisins July 7, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    Great article on the demise of the FrenchFry by Mark Bradley can be found here:



    When Job got fed up, as Job would periodically, he’d head up to Adairsville and stop by the farm, and he’d say to Bobby Cox, “I’m at wit’s end — what should I do?”

    And Bobby Cox would say, “Joby [as we know, Cox loves his nicknames], just be patient.”

    OK, I embellish. But I do it to make a point: When you’ve exhausted Bobby Cox’s legendary patience, you’re probably not long for these Braves. Last week Kelly Johnson went from being the everyday second baseman to being benched to being placed on the disabled list, and now Jeff Francoeur has been held out of the lineup three games running. And the sound you heard was of two homegrown players who’ve been Atlanta Braves since 2004 going, “Gulp.”

    It takes Cox a lot longer to lose faith than it does, say, Lou Piniella. Cox believes until he’s given reason to stop believing, but when he stops … well, that’s about all she wrote. Johnson was afforded every opportunity and hit .216. Francoeur was extended an even longer grace period — we’re now going on a second calendar year of his laboriously documented flailings — but has simply ceased being a competent big-league hitter. And now both have been benched.

    Yikes… 😯


  234. 236 Gil in Mechanicsville July 7, 2009 at 1:54 pm

    Unbelievable… I would venture to say 90% of the folks at the farce have never attended a funeral. Applause? Get real… Of course most are likely godless too, considering where they are from. it’s why I made my children attend funerals, at least to learn proper etiquette in honoring the deceased.

    Okay, I’ll stop now….

    Yes CL, thunderstorms can remind us of God’s awesome power. I am glad he provided his protection of you and yours.


  235. 237 Voice of Raisins July 7, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    Yep, I have uncovered an advance picture of Michael Jackson’s casket. I understand it was chosen especially for him given his numerous plastic surgeries…


  236. 238 Voice of Raisins July 7, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    You’re right, that was just wrong… 😳


  237. 239 Voice of Raisins July 7, 2009 at 2:11 pm

    But yet funny! 😆


  238. 240 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 7, 2009 at 2:16 pm



  239. 241 Voice of Raisins July 7, 2009 at 2:30 pm

    Speaking of rain, we haven’t had any of substance since the muckety-mucks officially declared the drought over a few weeks back. It looks like there is a substantial drenching on the way, though.

    I hope in a coupla hours that our gullies will be as clean as Ber’s. 😀


  240. 242 Savannah Guy July 7, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    Speaking of… the devil just started beatin’ his wife here on the coast.

    Raisins, I checked that article and the poll. 92% say French is gone. That’s a landslide of opinion.


  241. 243 Savannah Guy July 7, 2009 at 3:10 pm

    Since the Babe ended his career as a Brave, could the Chicago goat have found it’s way to Atlanta?


  242. 244 Savannah Guy July 7, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    Or the Bambino curse got confused with Boston teams?


  243. 245 Savannah Guy July 7, 2009 at 3:14 pm

    So many curses. Actually I didn’t mean the Babe caused the Cubs curse, but we may have the goat. Seems so anyway…


  244. 247 Voice of Raisins July 7, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    New world order…

    More prophecies being fulfilled, yet people are in denial like never before.

    Of course, that statement could be about the Braves, too… 🙂


  245. 248 Voice of Raisins July 7, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    Rob Neyer weighs in on the FrenchHeart discussion:



  246. 249 Carolina Lady July 7, 2009 at 4:11 pm

    Good comments above!

    Mercy! judging by the looks of the red and yellow covering the environs of Savannah, SG’s gullies are getting a thorough washing!


  247. 250 Voice of Raisins July 7, 2009 at 4:14 pm

    My gullies are still filthy! 😡


  248. 251 Savannah Guy July 7, 2009 at 4:37 pm

    If anyone ever needs a good rain, let me know and I’ll come over and mow, mulch and rake your lawn and remove all clutter until it’s beautiful. Happens every time I do it.

    The rain is good… trouble is, the storm and the strong winds that knock off all the small tree branches make the lawn look worse than before cleaning. Sigh…

    So be warned… once I clean your yard the rest is up to you and mother nature after I leave. Oh, and I’m very, very expensive. Rain dances don’t come cheap. Neither do “Rake-mow-mulch-haul” ceremonies.


  249. 252 Savannah Guy July 7, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    Yep, CL… cats and dogs.

    Speaking of:

    “A cat sees itself as human. A cat sees us as dogs…”
    – Unknown


  250. 253 Carolina Lady July 7, 2009 at 5:41 pm

    “Cats were once worshipped as gods. THEY have not forgotten this!”
    Anon. 😆

    I see that in Littlejohn’s barely cracked open eye as I disturb him getting out of bed every morning. And – guess who waits until who gets up before completely making up the bed? 🙂


  251. 254 Voice of Raisins July 7, 2009 at 6:26 pm

    Tonight’s lineup:

    1. McLouth CF
    2. Prado 3b (no Chipper)
    3. GA LF
    4. MacDaddy C
    5. Yunel SS
    6. Kotch 1B
    7. Benchy RF
    8. Brooks Conrad 2B
    9. JV P

    So the lineup goes:

    1. hit
    2. hit
    3. out
    4. hit
    5. hit
    6. out
    7. out
    8. ???
    9. out

    Dang… 😐


  252. 255 Voice of Raisins July 7, 2009 at 6:42 pm

    Chipper’s out because he tweaked his groin last night.

    OK, that didn’t sound quite as weird when it was still in my head, but now that I see it in print… 😯


  253. 256 Voice of Raisins July 7, 2009 at 6:46 pm

    I do NOT like the new smilies… 😦


  254. 257 Savannah Guy July 7, 2009 at 6:51 pm

    Good… Chipper needs a day off. Prado can handle it.
    Add a hit in the lineup for Brooks.

    He’s a just arrived rookie, but I really like this kid. I know, he just got here and all, but he plays like a determined scrapper and a hitter… just like McLouth. He’s shown very good plate discipline, especially after only playing a few times in the bigs. He’s got the physical makeup of a second bagger… solid and low to the ground, like Lemmer. And I’ll bet he’s not afraid to take a hit to start or finish a double play. I’m betting he’s ready.

    Wish Diaz was playing instead of French. What is it with his 3 day layoffs? Once on the bench and once in Mississippi.


  255. 258 Carolina Lady July 7, 2009 at 6:55 pm

    Appropos of nothing – this is where I spent most of my life. I could have been on any one of the a/c shown.


  256. 259 Savannah Guy July 7, 2009 at 6:55 pm

    I do NOT like the new smilies…

    Dittos and I was less diplomatic than that. I miss our old icons. They were much better. Maybe the Mayor could get tell the WordPressFeds that Stuffville doesn’t need any text effect stimulus.


  257. 260 Savannah Guy July 7, 2009 at 6:58 pm

    The Mayor just arrived on Stuffville’s Airforce One!

    Nice vid CL. Must make you proud and give a chillbump or two, eh?


  258. 261 Carolina Lady July 7, 2009 at 7:07 pm

    Sure brings back a boatload of memories, that’s fer sure, SG!

    Anybody who did NOT work for that company will never know what it is to work for a company that 1. maintained the highest standards, internally and externally 2. lived and breathed customer service 3. Management functioned to take care of #1 the customer and #2 the employee 4. Had a small prayer chapel in the company HQ. Was used frequently. 5. Had the most dedicated workforce in the history of the world. 6. Thousands of employees resigned effective the day of the USAir takeover in ’89 because they refused to work in the industry for anyone else.

    Sorry. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming…


  259. 262 Carolina Lady July 7, 2009 at 7:10 pm

    Smilies – like the Fed stimulus money to the banks, it was take it or else!

    Not having had my 6-shooter out since it was time for Ber to write a lead, I was embarrassingly unencumbered with offensive means.

    Sorry… 😦


  260. 263 Voice of Raisins July 7, 2009 at 7:15 pm

    He’s a just arrived rookie, but I really like this kid.

    Uh, he’s no kid. He’s 29…


    But, yes… I like him too. He has always been able to hit, it’s his glove that’s held him back. Not exactly a Hoover out there…

    Then again, at some point when your offense sucks worse than a Hoover, you compromise the glove for the bat. And he has great baseball name! Brooks Conrad!


  261. 264 Savannah Guy July 7, 2009 at 7:25 pm

    CL, points 1-6… they don’t make airlines like that anymore.


  262. 265 Savannah Guy July 7, 2009 at 7:27 pm

    Gil, yea, 29 is old for a rookie, but he’s still a kid to me if I’m old enough to be his dad.

    Uh, C’mon kid. 😆


  263. 266 Gil in Mechanicsville July 7, 2009 at 7:35 pm

    CL, I always liked flying Piedmont but loath USAir… That single airline has given me such a distaste for flying that I simply don’t…

    Far too often management will blame a union for all their woes but more often it is poor management and a failed vision which causes a company to collapse.

    Life is like poker, hedge your bets and play your game close and you can stay at the table a long time, it’s when you go all in that someone is dropping out.

    Yes, Brooks Conrad has been given an opportunity, I like the kid too. And yes, 29 is still a kid to me….

    And it seems as the Philly bats have awakened, 22-1 yesterday… I wish Chipper hadn’t given Jimmy Rollins one of his bats. Must have given him the one with all the hits still in it.


  264. 267 Carolina Lady July 7, 2009 at 8:07 pm

    SG, 7:25 – True dat!

    Gil, 7:35 – In this household, it is known as Useless Air. I won’t fly on it and I have free pass ‘privileges’. Won’t fly commercial these days, period, if the truth be told!


  265. 268 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 7, 2009 at 8:07 pm

    CL, your 7:07 post (707, how apropos!) man…those comments sound like what my Mom said Delta was like back in the 60’s and 70’s. Your company sounds even better in fact…sounds like a company I’d like to work for, for sure.


  266. 269 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 7, 2009 at 8:13 pm

    SG, your avatar seems like a good one for ol’ Grinch.

    I missed some of yesterdays game. John Kruk was apoplectic about Prado bunting (And popping it up) last night, saying he had homered before, why was he bunting…did anyone comment on that during the game???
    Just saw Prado bunting, in the 1st to move a runner over. Scared of Zambrano on 3 days rest??? One run in, but you know it kind of kills rallies to give up outs..early in a game.


  267. 270 Gil in Mechanicsville July 7, 2009 at 8:29 pm

    Well, still a run.. Need everyone you can get against Carlos


  268. 271 Savannah Guy July 7, 2009 at 8:54 pm

    Garrett is such a professional baseball player.

    How professional is he?

    He’s so professional, when he swings he chews gum and when he strikes out he shrugs his shoulders and moseys on back to the dugout, real slow, no emotion… ’cause he knows that striking out is just part of the game. No big deal.

    Mac drives in Prado all the way from first on a double. Well done.


  269. 272 Savannah Guy July 7, 2009 at 9:09 pm

    Turned out to be a nice rain without the wind tearing everything up. Just a few limbs down and already have those up and away.

    Grass turned about 6 shades greener in a few hours.


  270. 273 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 7, 2009 at 9:14 pm

    Grass turned about 6 shades greener in a few hours.

    You live near a nuke plant SG??? 😉

    Brooks Conrad…triple, a great play up the middle like I never, ever have seen KJ make…I like him too. I see SG has a bit of a man crush on him as well! 🙂


  271. 274 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 7, 2009 at 9:15 pm

    Or is that brooks robinson’s number??? 😳


  272. 275 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 7, 2009 at 9:16 pm

    Brooks Robinson’s Uniform Numbers
    #40 (1955), #6 (1956), #34 (1957), #5 (1957-1977)


  273. 276 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 7, 2009 at 9:17 pm

    I LOVE the internet!
    I don’t love the emoticons here though.


  274. 277 Gil in Mechanicsville July 7, 2009 at 9:21 pm

    Brooks may be this years Chuckie T…


  275. 278 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 7, 2009 at 9:24 pm

    Always liked Chuck Tanner. More with the Pirates though…


  276. 279 Gil in Mechanicsville July 7, 2009 at 9:27 pm

    Charles Thomas Ber..


  277. 280 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 7, 2009 at 9:29 pm

    Just me being hysterically funny as usual Gil! His name popped into my head first, then I thought of the other Chuckie.


  278. 281 Gil in Mechanicsville July 7, 2009 at 9:30 pm

    Wow, Braves actually playing good D tonight


  279. 282 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 7, 2009 at 10:07 pm

    Gee, after making an out on a 10 pitch a.b., G.A. actually seemed P.O.ed at making an out. Will wonders never cease???


  280. 283 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 7, 2009 at 10:40 pm

    Arrgh!!!!! 😡 What was Bobby thinking??? 1st and 2nd, nobody out, lets have one of our hottest hitters, Diaz….bunt! Who shows no ability to bunt!!! Stupid!!!!
    couldn’t Blanco bunt there if that is what you want to do???
    Any why bunt??? 3 chances to get a runner in from 2nd, and you bunt??? How’d that work Bobby???


  281. 284 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 7, 2009 at 10:51 pm

    Well, a win helps blunt my anger! 😀


  282. 285 Gil in Mechanicsville July 7, 2009 at 10:57 pm

    Yes, Blanco would have been a good choice….


  283. 286 Voice of Raisins July 7, 2009 at 11:14 pm

    Or Diaz, who is a professional ballplayer, could execute the bunt. Then you have 2 runners in scoring position.

    It was the right call, just poor execution.


  284. 287 Voice of Raisins July 8, 2009 at 12:11 am

    OK… I’m working late, but waiting on some info to be forwarded before I can continue. So, since I have a few minutes…

    I have broken out the ol’ crystal ball. Some pre-July 31 predictions:

    * Yunel will not be traded. Period.

    * JV will be traded. Ken Rosenthal says there is no bat of worth to be traded for him, but a bat plus prospects will do it. He can yield a bounty of almost Teixeirian proportion, replenishing the system and freeing up the remainder of his $11MM+ salary in the process.

    * One of the co-closers will be dealt in another deal that will yield a substantial bounty, although maybe not quite as big as JV. (My money is on Soriano to stay and be extended.)

    * FrenchHeart will be a throw in on one of the deals.

    * Ditto with KJ.

    * Medlen will be the 5th starter until Huddy is ready in late August.

    * A bat of some worth will come back in one of the deals. I, for one, would not be surprised if a 1B were obtained and Kotch is sent away in much the same way he was acquired to begin with.


  285. 288 flbravesgirl July 8, 2009 at 12:27 am

    OK, good win. Would’ve liked a little more offensive production but it worked. I too like Brooks Conrad, it was fun watching him play tonight.


  286. 289 flbravesgirl July 8, 2009 at 12:28 am

    “Dogs have owners. Cats have staff.”


  287. 290 Savannah Guy July 8, 2009 at 6:53 am

    Great game last night. I hope Raisins’ crystal ball is wrong about Javy. He’s a keeper in my book.

    No “man crush” on Conrad, Bear, but I hope Bobby lets him start a few times to prove himself. Good D, great diving grab at second and quick throwout. His “trouble getting out of glove” exchange on the DP attempt has been widely reported, but I saw a completely different play there. The ball was thrown unnecessarily hard by Yunel. As a second baseman, you can’t carem a throw off of your glove into your throwing hand and toss to first when you’re thrown a heater like that from so close. If there was a glitch it wasn’t Brooks, it was Yunel.

    Of course this wasn’t mentioned by Joe or Boog, as they were too busy talking about everything except what was happening on the field… as usual. If you have the game on DVR, check out that play. Yunel scorched it.


  288. 291 Savannah Guy July 8, 2009 at 7:07 am

    Bear, agreed that Diaz being called to bunt in that spot was a bad, yet typical move by Cox. True what Raisins said about major league players being able to bunt and execute and such, but that’s idealism or theory, not reality. The reality is, and Cox should know this, is that Diaz can scorch the ball but he can’t bunt worth a hoot. Whether he should be able to bunt is not the point.

    Not all players can do all things with equal success. This is why pitchers aren’t normally called on to pinch hit and sluggers aren’t typically called upon to bunt, especially when you have guys on the bench that have excelled at it. Putting Diaz in there to bunt was just another revealing, nonsensical move by Bobby.

    A large part of being a good manager means knowing the strengths and weaknesses of your players, not just left/right matchups from a tattered old playbook.


  289. 292 Savannah Guy July 8, 2009 at 7:11 am

    Gone to the dogs:

    “Money will buy you a pretty good dog, but it won’t buy the wag of his tail.” – Henry Wheeler Shaw

    “My dog is half pit bull, half poodle. Not much of a watchdog, but a vicious gossip!” – Craig Shoemaker


  290. 293 Savannah Guy July 8, 2009 at 7:19 am

    Raisins, trading Javy for a bat and prospects is the Braves saying, very clearly, that the team will not see October for at least three years, if not five or six.

    Javy and JJ have been our two best starters this year, regardless of the lack of run support which resulted in losses or no decisions…


  291. 294 Savannah Guy July 8, 2009 at 7:30 am

    Makes no sense at all to trade a known quality that is successful for a handful of prospects that may not even make it to the bigs. The man can pitch like not many in the MLB. Why would we trade him?

    Makes for great trade talk but I think it would be an idiotic move for the Braves to part with Javy. Like trading a gold dollar for a mine shaft that’ll take 3 years to explore. The mine shaft may cave in and it may produced more than one gold piece. I’ll take the gold in hand and let someone else like Huddy or Medlin be exchanged for the shaft. Risk for risk is a fair investment trade, not blue chip for a risky startup.


  292. 295 Voice of Raisins July 8, 2009 at 8:18 am

    Yes, SG, I would agree re JV except for one thing… I mentioned a bat plus prospects. As I said before, it should be a real bat of boppage.

    This team struggles offensively. It is well chronicled. I love JV, but if you look at the course of his career, he consistently has a high year followed by a low year. This is a high year. Next year..? History says maybe not so much.

    If you can get a bona fide power bat for this year plus at least one more, plus top prospects, why not?

    The bat is in the lineup every day. The Braves struggle to score runs every day. JV only helps you every 5th day… and his record proves that pitching alone won’t cut it.


  293. 296 Savannah Guy July 8, 2009 at 8:58 am

    Yea, Raisins, you make good points and you may very well be right about JV alternating good and bad (or not as good) years or that he’s being considered for trade… but I just wouldn’t bet against him and wouldn’t trade him… not for two years anyway, while young guns are being found, brought up, sorted out and tested to replace he and Lowe.

    Building around Hanson and JJ requires inning eating, dependable Lowe and Javy for a few years or we’re gonna get smacked around so bad JJ and Hanson won’t want to stay.


  294. 297 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 8, 2009 at 9:33 am

    Good mornin’ everyone!

    Well, I am going to agree with SG, and V, which ought to get them both mad at me! 😉 Hopefully, everyone will just agree that as usual, I am brilliant! 🙂 (This would all seem funnier with the old emoticons)

    First SG, about Matt’s bunting last night…right on my Brotha! I say right on, cuz I was thinking the same thing whilst in bed last night….about how a manager has to know his players strength and weaknesses. I don’t see Chipper, McCann, or Frenchy called on to bunt. Chipper hasn’t had much power this year,(and only hit .247 for the month of June) why not have him bunt??? Frenchy sucks, why not him??? G.A. bunt much??? Shouldn’t they all be called upon to bunt when the team isn’t scoring much???
    Now, I heard Joe and Boog say something about the fact Loaf was still in the game in the 9th. Was Blanco sick/injured last night??? Then that’s different.
    Still, I just think giving up outs all the time to move a runner over one base…just isn’t winning baseball these days. I’d love to know how often the braves scored after bunting a runner over. It must be less than 40% of the time. We scored one time, but it may be taking us out of big innings as well. Oh well, not like Bobby is going to change, is it???

    Now V, right on my brotha! SG, you know we need a bopper, right??? Kotchman, KJ, Frenchy, G.A., and a bag of balls are not gonna get us one, are they??? Freeman and Heyward are untouchable….and well, who is left in the system to trade off???
    Parity is great for baseball, lots of teams are still in it as of today. Check out how many teams are in the wildcard hunt! http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/standings?type=wild&br=5&year=2009&order=false&st=2

    By my count, there are only 4 teams in each league that you could say were truly out of it. And if they are out of it, what boppers do they have??? And they aren’t going to want an established fairly costly starter….so we need some team like the Brewers to cough up one of their many bats…otherwise It’s just going to be a tough, tough trade season. Who matches up with us, besides them???


  295. 298 Voice of Raisins July 8, 2009 at 9:45 am

    If the Brewers want JV, they’ll have to cough up Alcides Escobar or Mat Gamel, both of with are “untouchable”. But that is exactly what I am talking about. Quality for quality. You gotta give to get. It works both ways.

    If they would give up Escober (Acides), he is a tremendous young SS. You plant him at SS, move Yunel to 3B, Chipper to 1B, and Kotchman to the trade market.

    If it’s Gamel (my preference), he is a tremendous young 3B where he moves right in with Chipper moving to 1B. Sorry again Kotch.

    I like Kotchman… on someone else’s team. 😀


  296. 299 Voice of Raisins July 8, 2009 at 9:46 am

    Dang! I forget to mention the whole Francoeur for Hart element of my deal!!! That’s part of the package!


  297. 300 Voice of Raisins July 8, 2009 at 9:47 am

    Or we just trade JV and Kotch for Prince. :mrgreen:


  298. 301 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 8, 2009 at 10:35 am

    I really like that last trade V, lets make it! 😉


  299. 302 Voice of Raisins July 8, 2009 at 10:53 am

    Looking at some outside news sources, some think Melvin might loosen up the “untouchable” label from Gamel for Vazquez.

    Gamel has come up as a 3B, but is viewed by many around Milwaukee as Fielder’s 1B replacement if he leaves via FA in 2012.

    The point is, he could play 1B now, and move to 3B when Freddie is ready, and Chipper is kaput.


  300. 303 Voice of Raisins July 8, 2009 at 10:54 am


    Greg Norton’s rehab stint expired at Class AAA Gwinnett, and the veteran pinch-hitter was recalled by the Braves. But he wasn’t activated, and it’s uncertain if or when he will be.

    Manager Bobby Cox said Norton, who had been rehabbing a sore ankle, would continue to work out and join the Braves in Colorado, where they start a four-game series Thursday.

    “We’ll figure it out from there,” Cox said.

    After ranking among the majors’ best pinch-hitters in 2008, Norton has hit only .098 (4-for-41) with no homers and three RBIs this season, including four hits in 33 at-bats as a pinch-hitter.

    The Braves might choose to keep outfielder Gregor Blanco on the roster as their fifth outfielder and backup center fielder.


  301. 304 Salty July 8, 2009 at 11:25 am

    I don’t see real value in trading JV. This year more than any in recent memory reminds me of 60’s-70’s baseball…nowhere near the scoring of the past 15-20 years. Thus, it’s about holding the other team at bay, and playing fundamental baseball. Unless a team bowls the Braves over, I don’t see it, not before the offseason.

    Hudson’s return for this year isn’t guaranteed…and with the inconsistent offense, the team can’t give starts away…aka: Medlen.

    Frenchy for Hart…change of venue may rejuvenate both. Gonzales or Soriano in a trade…perhaps. Still, with so many teams in the hunt, who’s going to trade and convince their fans they haven’t tossed in the towel. It’s tough to get fans in the seats already…promise of success at least makes them think about parting with $$. Trades…may undo. That said (as I meander to a close), what’s the better deal, fewer tickets sold, or disposing of a high salary? I think it’s a wash this late in the year.


  302. 305 Salty July 8, 2009 at 11:28 am

    CL…I hear your disdain for USAIR…but not taking their $$ benefits them! I’d wear the seat out, if nothing more than Wilmington to Pitt and back again…every week! Or Charlotte!

    I’d emote…but I don’t like the paper mache characters…very lame!


  303. 306 Gil in Mechanicsville July 8, 2009 at 11:37 am

    Good morning everybody… Game today at 1PM…


  304. 307 Voice of Raisins July 8, 2009 at 11:47 am

    Yankers would love to have either Gonzo or Soriano. I would think Shelley Duncan, who bats rightie, plays RF or LF and has 21 HR’s in 70 games at AAA might be appealing. He can’t crack the lineup in NY. Add a couple of warm bodies here and there and a match could be made.


  305. 308 Carolina Lady July 8, 2009 at 11:55 am

    Salty, I’ve seen enough of airports to more than last me a lifetime! I so thoroughly despise USAir that I can’t even tell you. Goes back to their deliberate actions during/after their take-over to anything PAI, their continuing disdain of PAI employees – regardless of length of service, right on up to their treatment of retired employees during their many bankruptcy proceedings, which resulted in people losing their homes, divorces, and suicides. We’re talking about people who had worked for 30 – 40 years or more, some people in their 80s and 90s. The top officers of the company took millions upon millions, totaling billions of the company’s money.

    Their management was the exact opposite of what it should have been. LOTS of bitterness towards that company. And they (management) STILL regard their passengers with contempt.

    It goes deep. Real deep. (And I’ve barely brushed the surface here!)


  306. 309 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 8, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    Wow CL! At least you got to see how a company should be run, you know there have to be US Air folks that have only known that misery….


  307. 310 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 8, 2009 at 12:53 pm

    IF Halladay is traded, figure on the wildcard only!

    Phils Are Early Favorites For Halladay
    By Ben Nicholson-Smith [July 8 at 11:26am CST]

    One source told Ed Price of MLB Fanhouse that “the Phillies are leaders at this point” in the Roy Halladay sweepstakes. However, that doesn’t mean the Jays ace will be dealt. As another source points out, J.P. Ricciardi is not in a hurry to trade Halladay, so there’s an equal chance he stays in Toronto.

    And the haul Halladay could bring? The Erik Bedard trade (Adam Jones, George Sherrill and others) and the Dan Haren trade (Carlos Gonzalez, Brett Anderson and others) could be benchmarks.

    Jon Heyman of SI.com heard from an executive who believes the Jays would hesitate to deal Halladay within their own division. Does that make the Phillies favorites?

    The executives who spoke with Joel Sherman of the New York Post believe the Phillies are the frontrunners for Halladay. The Phillies want to win now and they think Halladay’s ground ball-based approach would thrive in their homer-friendly park.

    Sherman also heard the Rangers and Cardinals could make strong plays for Halladay. The Rangers are borrowing money from MLB, but some believe they could spend enough to make a push for the Blue Jays’ ace, who has about $23MM remaining on his current deal. Texas has many appealing pieces to offer. However, we heard last week that they have “limited” ability to add payroll.



  308. 311 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 8, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    Gil, game starts at 2:20 actually. I was looking everywhere and I just couldn’t figure who was going to run it! Must have heard central time! 😉


  309. 312 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 8, 2009 at 1:08 pm
  310. 313 Gil in Mechanicsville July 8, 2009 at 1:13 pm

    Opps… you are correct Ber…


  311. 314 Gil in Mechanicsville July 8, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    CL… I feel your anger, SG.. see, that’s why people feel the need a union. Of course, you have to be careful the union is not in bed with management. Then they both manage to do to the folks what they are doing with each other… And it ain’t pretty.

    Creates a large number of Democrats as a result too…

    And baseball, LET’S GO BRAVES….. 🙂


  312. 315 Savannah Guy July 8, 2009 at 2:06 pm

    This year more than any in recent memory reminds me of 60’s-70’s baseball…nowhere near the scoring of the past 15-20 years.

    Salty, I’ve been thinking that same thing lately and wondering how this year stacks up in MLB runs scored vs. the last 15-16 years average. By the way, your 11:25 was spot on and very nicely put. Good perspective.

    If there is a marked increase in runs from, say 1990 to 2006, I’d not be at all surprised. And we all know how that 16 year period differed between 1990 and this year… arguably the first “clean” year since ’90. Those stats must be available somewhere but I hate looking that stuff up.

    Would be very interesting to see a graph or chart (or list) of runs scored, by year, starting in 1970. My bet is that the ‘roid era numbers looked like the tech stocks of the 90’s. Now the numbers resemble the bank stocks (or 401k’s) of 2008-9.

    All in all and in the grand scheme of things, the pendulum has swung. Fans (and players) will adjust their expectations over time. Barroid’s dubious HR record (with a big fat asterisk) may never be broken. Until some chemist comes along again and can beat the tests anyway.

    Without steroids, teams will have to win the old fashioned way, with pitching, speed and defense. Oh, almost forgot the oldest natural, non-chemical MLB advantage of all. Been around since baseball began… moolah. Out the wazoo. Lot’s of it.


  313. 316 Savannah Guy July 8, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    Gil, I’ve never said that there was never a need for unions and that all unions are bad. I have said, in so many words, that unions, just like individuals, governments and corporations, can be corrupted to the point of forcing honest people to leave, companies to either go offshore or go out of business and governments to, well, they win no matter what. Some regimes screw us more than others.

    When corporations and governments get in bed with unions we have a menage a trois from hell.

    It’s all one heck’uva balancing free-enterprise act. Eventually, with luck, faith and common sense, the pluses and minuses all even out and good, honest people can recieve fair wages and safe working conditions and good companies can make good profits and enjoy growth. Together they build and provide good products and services. When they’ve achieved the good balance, the ultimate boss decides the fate of everyone. No, not the government. The government, without complete and totalitarian control and repression, can control the masses in their freedom of choice… although the current administration and Congress seem to think that being the boss of all is their job.

    The ultimate boss is and always has been the consumer. The voter. The citizen. Make inferior products, provide inferior services, lord over them and unfairly tax them and risk ticking them off. If that happens and the tipping point is reached, it matters not what the political power and perks, corporate profits and employee benefits might be… union or not.


  314. 317 Savannah Guy July 8, 2009 at 2:28 pm

    All I know is… if I owned an airline I’d want the Carolina Lady on my side… and happy. :LOL:


  315. 318 Savannah Guy July 8, 2009 at 2:37 pm

    Message to Atlanta Braves fans:

    We interrupt this game telecast to bring you a very special feature on an Atlanta star, Jeff Francoeur. Be sure to watch it. It’s only run 800 times and will only be repeated another 1200 times.

    Thank you and enjoy.

    (between the line translation: the Braves PR dept. needs to up the value of French in alternative ways to putting him on the field).


  316. 319 Gil in Mechanicsville July 8, 2009 at 2:43 pm

    Rain delay….. Booooooo….


  317. 320 Gil in Mechanicsville July 8, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    My original plan was to go fishing today. Missed out on that one too…

    Soooo, SG, We are in agreement. With all things there must be balance.

    Okay, rain or no, looks like they are getting ready to play this thing.


  318. 321 Carolina Lady July 8, 2009 at 3:32 pm

    Just received an email asking for support for The Jackson Five. THIS Jackson Five:

    Army Pfc. Leslie D. Jackson

    18, of Richmond, Va.; assigned to A Company, 115th Forward Support Battalion, 1st Cavalry Division, Ft. Hood, Texas; killed May 20 when her vehicle hit an improvised explosive device as she was returning to Camp Eagle in Baghdad.

    Army Staff Sgt. William S. Jackson II

    29, of Saginaw, Mich.; assigned to the 1st Battalion, 16th Engineer Battalion, 1st Brigade, 1st Armored Division, Giessen, Germany; died Nov. 11 of injuries sustained when an improvised explosive device detonated near his vehicle during combat operations in Ramadi, Iraq.

    Army Spc. Dustin C. Jackson

    21, of Arlington, Texas; assigned to the 350th Adjutant General Company, Grand Prairie, Texas; died March 12 in Tallil, Iraq, of wounds sustained when his vehicle was hit by indirect fire.

    Army Chief Warrant Officer 2 Kyle E. Jackson

    28, of Sarasota, Fla.; assigned to the 1st Battalion, 10th Aviation Regiment, 10th Mountain Division, Fort Drum, NY; killed Jan. 13 when his OH-58D Kiowa Warrior helicopter came under attack by enemy forces using small-arms fire near Sukar, Iraq.

    Army Spc. Marlon P. Jackson

    25, of Jersey City, NJ; assigned to A Company, 94th Engineer Battalion (Combat) (Heavy), 130th Engineer Brigade, Vilseck, Germany; died Nov. 11 of injuries sustained when an improvised explosive device exploded on a road in Tampa, Iraq. He was was the first American soldier named Jackson to be killed in Iraq. CNN did not cover his death. No teary fans delivered flowers to his home in New Jersey. No celebrities were on hand for his family. He died an American hero serving his country.


  319. 322 Savannah Guy July 8, 2009 at 4:05 pm

    I like your Jackson 5, CL. Heroes all.

    Amazing story about Cubs catcher Koyie Hill, getting his thumb and fingers cut off a few years ago, having them reattached and now playing… and playing well.


  320. 323 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 8, 2009 at 4:21 pm

    CL, imagine the good that could have been done with the money wasted on that Concert/funeral service!!! Could have made sure those 5 Jackson families would be taken care of for life…sigh….


  321. 324 Salty July 8, 2009 at 4:26 pm

    Would be very interesting to see a graph or chart (or list) of runs scored, by year, starting in 1970. My bet is that the ‘roid era numbers looked like the tech stocks of the 90’s. Now the numbers resemble the bank stocks (or 401k’s) of 2008-9.

    Give me an hour or….several…maybe a day…and I will deliver.

    CL I hear ya!


  322. 325 Gil in Mechanicsville July 8, 2009 at 4:26 pm

    Ber, they don’t call it LaLa land for nothing…


  323. 326 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 8, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    We interrupt this game telecast to bring you a very special feature on an Atlanta star, Jeff Francoeur. Be sure to watch it. It’s only run 800 times and will only be repeated another 1200 times.

    Thank you and enjoy.

    :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: Glad I took a nap! too bad Frenchy is out there…again…instead of taking a nap.


  324. 327 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 8, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    Gil, you know the real shame about La La land??? It’s a very interesting place. it more than fake hollywood. Tons of great restaurants, beach over on the other side of the mountains….I was out there, I don’t know, 7-8 years ago??? I saw the Van Gogh exhibit that was in Atlanta earlier, at the L.A. County museum while I was there. After checking out that, and other parts of the museum, saw a free jazz concert in the square of the museum. Nice jazz trio…had to cut that short to head over to to an old jazz pianist that still played once a week at a casual little bar/restaurant. Checked out the Third Street Promenade in Santa Monica, a pedestrian shopping center…a great place to visit, just not to live there! Unless you are a billionaire, then I guess it’s ok. 😛


  325. 328 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 8, 2009 at 4:46 pm

    Trivia time, who has the most doubles on the braves team???


  326. 329 Savannah Guy July 8, 2009 at 4:47 pm


    But my theory is that French is putting a damper on Brian.


  327. 330 Gil in Mechanicsville July 8, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    Nice poke by Kotchmen and Conrad clubs a double


  328. 331 Savannah Guy July 8, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    Did I say that I like Conrad? 😀


  329. 332 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 8, 2009 at 4:49 pm

    So, why has Brooks Conrad been in the minors for so long??? 😐


  330. 333 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 8, 2009 at 4:50 pm

    6 posts in 4 minutes, B&S record???

    Kotchman, when he hits homers, looks like a guy who could hit more, eh???


  331. 334 Gil in Mechanicsville July 8, 2009 at 4:50 pm

    Ber, I think I am over the weight limit to visit California


  332. 335 Savannah Guy July 8, 2009 at 4:51 pm

    That’d be very cool, Salty… gettin’ those numbers.


  333. 336 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 8, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    Gil, 😉 Not a lot of fat folks out there…at least its’ noticeable coming from ATl.


  334. 337 Savannah Guy July 8, 2009 at 4:54 pm

    Going to LA in late August, on bidnezz. Was in Newport Beach last year. Yes, nice place to visit but I’d never live there.


  335. 338 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 8, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    But SG, there is no humidity! 😕


  336. 339 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 8, 2009 at 4:57 pm

    hmm, I thought : ? gave you 😛 as well… it now looks like a guy about to cry! 😡


  337. 340 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 8, 2009 at 5:01 pm

    SG, it’s probably too late, but IF you had some free time on a Thursday morn, the http://www.nethercuttcollection.org/Visitor.aspx is just a lot of fun to see. To see the one of a kind instruments have to reserve in advance, but the other side of the street with classic cars only, you can see any old time.


  338. 341 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 8, 2009 at 5:14 pm

    Kawakami came out after 85 pitches, is he hurt???


  339. 342 Savannah Guy July 8, 2009 at 5:24 pm

    Thanks for the link Bear, although I already have plenty to do with not enough time as it is. Not really into cars like you guys but I saw a very nice antique car show in Carmel, CA a few years back. Hitler’s Rolls Royce… or was that a Bentley? Black and chrome, with the swastika and ‘SS’ insignia on the grill and hood ornament.

    It was in great shape but was still dripping in evil.


  340. 343 Gil in Mechanicsville July 8, 2009 at 5:27 pm

    Pretty sure it would have been a Mercedes.

    Well, another nail biter


  341. 344 Savannah Guy July 8, 2009 at 5:35 pm

    Kawakami came out after 85 pitches, is he hurt???

    No, I think Bobby just didn’t want the outfielders to get hurt.

    The Carroll Rogers, Manuel story that you posted about the Indians starter seemed to fit that question like a glove.


  342. 345 Salty July 8, 2009 at 5:45 pm

    Alrighty, SG…you asked…Salty delivers. I will keep it brief.

    In the 70’s, teams averaged a low of 3.69 runs/game (1972…year before the DH) and a high of 4.47 (1977). In fact, since the DH, 1976 (3.99) was the last year under 4 runs/game.

    In the 80’s, teams averaged a low of 4.0 runs/game (1981…recession?) and a high of 4.72 (1987…and the arrival of the Bash Brothers…just sayin!)

    In the 90’s, teams averaged a low of 4.12 runs/game (1992)and a high of 5.08 (1999). To be fair…the 90’s had expansion, in a significant way.

    In this decade, the low mark was actually 4.59 runs/game (2005), and the high mark of 5.14 was in 2000.

    Here are some interesting trends, though…and perhaps supportive of our hunch. First, 2007 was the first time since 1997 that fewer than 5000 home runs were hit. Last year was almost 100 fewer…and this year is definitely trending lower still.

    Runs per game this year are trending lowest since 1993 and with so many teams in the hunt, that just may hold. One thing that is definitely noticeable: post-95, offense and homers absolutely exploded…and they have backed off in the past three. That’s not a coincidence, in my very humble view. OK…I wasn’t so short.


  343. 346 Salty July 8, 2009 at 5:48 pm



  344. 347 Salty July 8, 2009 at 5:50 pm

    UH…ok…it surfaced. Darn…a waste of a perfectly good rant!


  345. 348 Savannah Guy July 8, 2009 at 5:53 pm

    Braves Win, Braves Win, Braves Win!!!


  346. 349 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 8, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    Braves win! First road series win since May 11th-13th!


  347. 350 Savannah Guy July 8, 2009 at 5:56 pm

    Gil, you’re probably right ’cause I have no idea. Thing is, it was custom built and looked like a halftrack. Loooong hood, like an old Rolls… or Bentley.

    Braves win!!!


  348. 351 Savannah Guy July 8, 2009 at 6:12 pm

    Salty, that’s great stuff you pulled together. Thanks.

    It’s safe to say that the steroid era contributed heavily to the numbers. Looks like ‘roids ramped up in 96, became rampant around 2000 and started decreasing in 2007… as more players were either getting worried about getting caught or, uh, shrinkage.

    Now, we’ll see more small ball ’cause players don’t want, um, those.


  349. 352 Carolina Lady July 8, 2009 at 6:43 pm

    Salty, fantastic analysis! Terrific!!

    SG, 6:12 – 😆


  350. 353 Salty July 8, 2009 at 7:14 pm

    Now, we’ll see more small ball ’cause players…….

    …come on…don’t let the obvious pass you by! It’s ’cause the players will be smaller…again! But in shape! I miss the old emoticons….sigh!


  351. 354 Gil in Mechanicsville July 8, 2009 at 7:26 pm

    I predict the good players will still be good, just not as good. The marginal players like Marcus Giles will be gone. There will always be guys like Fielder and Howard who will hit the ball a ton, we just won’t see the Sammy Sosa types who gain 50 pounds of muscle in the off season.

    Does Brooks Conrad remind anyone else of Jeff Blauser?


  352. 355 Salty July 8, 2009 at 9:01 pm

    Gil…they’ll be just as good, just not better than they should be!


  353. 356 Savannah Guy July 8, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    Salty and Gil… does that sound fishy?

    Anyhoo, the good will be just as good, just not as often or as long. Injuries will take longer to heal, etc.

    It’s a great time for the non-cheater, non-corrupt.

    Wish I could say that about politicians.


  354. 357 Savannah Guy July 8, 2009 at 9:11 pm

    I think I am over the weight limit to visit California

    Yes, in many parts of California it helps to be light in the loafers.


  355. 358 Savannah Guy July 8, 2009 at 9:26 pm

    Does Brooks Conrad remind anyone else of Jeff Blauser?


    I don’t see the similarity, Gil. Maybe I’m mssing something. To me, he more closely compares to Dirt… the Lemmer. Sturdy legs and all. Conrad and McLouth could be brothers. Ross too. All seem cut from the same cloth. Great plate discipline, all three.

    We need to play Prado, Conrad, Yunel, Chipper, Mac, Diaz every day. I wish we could play Ross every day too. Can Ross play anywhere else? Although I think he’s a better defensive catcher than Mac. Mac on first next year would be good, but then where will we put Chipper? Add a big bopper in that lineup and look out.

    Back to Blauser. I loved that guy. Great D, great clubhouse presence, great sense of humor and he could get hot with the bat on occasion. I’ll never forget a cold, rainy day in Chicago, seeing Jeff hit 3 home runs. Totally in the power zone that day.

    Chinoccio and Dirt… a pitcher’s dream.


  356. 359 Savannah Guy July 8, 2009 at 9:33 pm

    OK, before Bear accuses me again of a man-crush on Conrad, I’d better find a new ava-gravatar, lest be accused of being, well, a San Francisco kinda guy. Donwanna be gravatarred and feathered. Wait… gravatarred and feathered. That gives me an idea.

    No offense to Bay Area Steve, who may just be the manliest man in the Bay area. But he’s cheap. And he drinks cheap whiskey.


  357. 360 Gil in Mechanicsville July 8, 2009 at 10:28 pm

    Yes, Brooks plays like the Lemmer but he looks like Blauser to me. Same profile.


  358. 361 Gil in Mechanicsville July 8, 2009 at 10:31 pm

    Yeah, maybe Bobby could put McCann in left field, or put Ross in left on occasion.


  359. 362 Gil in Mechanicsville July 8, 2009 at 10:35 pm

    After all, Mac is a pretty athletic guy…


  360. 363 Salty July 9, 2009 at 7:46 am

    From an article on new words in the Merriam-Webster dictionary: Here are some, along with the year in which Merriam-Webster researchers first found them used in an English-language publication, and their meanings:

    Fan fiction (1944): stories involving popular fictional characters that are written by fans and often posted on the Internet.

    Flash mob (1987): a group of people summoned (as by e-mail or text message) to a designated location at a specified time to perform an indicated action before dispersing.

    Sock puppet (1959): a false online identity used for deceptive purposes.

    Alright, color me stupid…fine by me. But I am beyond confused.
    1. Since when to two words become ‘one word’ in a dictionary?
    2. Moreso, since the supposed ‘word(s)’ were first used in the year shown, how does the definition relate to how it was used then? Was the internet being held ‘top secret’ in Roswell all these years? Do any of you recall sending e-mails and text messages in 1987.

    In 1959, I knew what a sock puppet was…and the only thing online, was the laundry!


  361. 364 Salty July 9, 2009 at 7:48 am

    Oh, and full disclosure: in 1959, I was way too short to reach the clothes line!


  362. 365 Gil in Mechanicsville July 9, 2009 at 9:38 am

    Salty.. the tooth fairy made them do it…


  363. 366 Voice of Raisins July 9, 2009 at 9:40 am

    Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 8, 2009 at 4:46 pm

    Trivia time, who has the most doubles on the braves team???

    Did we ever get the answer for this one?


  364. 367 Carolina Lady July 9, 2009 at 10:36 am

    Salty – your 7:46: you are right on! What else aren’t they telling us?? 🙂

    Raisins, 9:40 – don’t think so. I haven’t had time to check on it and was waiting for one of y’all! 😆


  365. 368 Voice of Raisins July 9, 2009 at 11:38 am

    OK then… that would be one Marteeeen Prado with 19, surpassing Mr. Kotchman’s 18 by 1.



  366. 369 Carolina Lady July 9, 2009 at 11:53 am

    Thanks, Raisins! Have I told you lately that you are da best?? 😀


  367. 370 Voice of Raisins July 9, 2009 at 12:55 pm

    Congratulations to me and my honey! 15 years today! I don’t know how she has out up with me that long… 🙄


  368. 371 Voice of Raisins July 9, 2009 at 12:56 pm

    Congratulations to me and my honey! 15 years today! I don’t know how she has put up with me that long… 🙄


  369. 372 flbravesgirl July 9, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    Congrats to VOR & Mrs. Raisins!


  370. 373 Gil in Mechanicsville July 9, 2009 at 1:42 pm

    Happy Anniversary Raisins… May you have many more…


  371. 374 Carolina Lady July 9, 2009 at 3:17 pm

    Mr & Mrs Raisins, may there be many more, each happier than the last! God bless both of you!!


  372. 375 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 9, 2009 at 4:05 pm

    V, congrats on 15 years of marriage!!!!! 🙂


  373. 376 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 9, 2009 at 4:12 pm

    And thanks for answering the trivia question I forgot to! Of course, no one seemed very interested yesterday! 😛
    Isn’t it interesting though??? A part time guy til late, leading the club in doubles???

    And Salty, you mentioned in your excellent research on runs scored…
    In the 80’s, teams averaged a low of 4.0 runs/game (1981…recession?)

    Strike year…man, I about gave up on the game that year. Same thing after 1994…between working nights and having a lot of cold water thrown on my love of the game are two reasons I barely have any feelings or memories of the Braves winning the world series in 1995…
    But, being co-dependent isn’t all bad! 😀


  374. 377 Savannah Guy July 9, 2009 at 4:34 pm

    And thanks for answering the trivia question I forgot to! Of course, no one seemed very interested yesterday!

    Bear, you’re not exactly Alex Trebek. 🙄

    If you’ll notice, I answered your trivia question exactly one minute after you asked it. Mac was my guess. Turns out I was wrong but it was a wild (quick) guess. Hard to believe Prado has that many. Harder to believe Kotchman has as many as he has.

    Next time you ask a question I’m gonna jump up and down and type the answer in all caps. 😆


  375. 378 Savannah Guy July 9, 2009 at 4:36 pm

    Happy Anniversary Raisins.

    It gets better every year.


  376. 379 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 9, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    SG, get ready to break some keys!!!

    on the braves…

    1) who has the most hits???
    2)who has the most steals??(Not a trick question, other teams steals do not count)
    3) which pitcher has the highest K rate per 9 innings???


  377. 380 Savannah Guy July 9, 2009 at 4:50 pm

    1)Most consecutive hits while dominating? Me!


    3)Since Kawakami is the only pitcher’s name that starts with a K, it has to be him. K?

    How did I do? Huh? Huh?


  378. 381 Savannah Guy July 9, 2009 at 4:55 pm








    Just to see if these text effects are all as bad as the other ones. “Shock” has a tongue sticking out? Much like a WP stimulus plan. Sheesh.


  379. 382 Savannah Guy July 9, 2009 at 4:57 pm

    No, the “roll” is the one with the tongue thing. So sad… my two faves, shock and Mr. Green have been ruined. I don’t know if I can go on…


  380. 383 Carolina Lady July 9, 2009 at 5:04 pm

    SG, 4:40 – 😆 😆


  381. 384 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 9, 2009 at 5:06 pm

    terrible guesses!!!! 😯


  382. 385 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 9, 2009 at 5:10 pm

    terrible emoticons! 😯
    great if created by an 8 year old…any older, not so much/


  383. 386 Gil in Mechanicsville July 9, 2009 at 5:15 pm

    Most hits… Escobar


  384. 387 Gil in Mechanicsville July 9, 2009 at 5:17 pm

    Most steals… Francouer


  385. 388 Gil in Mechanicsville July 9, 2009 at 5:22 pm

    Ks per nine… Soriano? Gonzo?


  386. 389 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 9, 2009 at 5:52 pm

    Very good Gil! Yeah, Gonzo is just a hair above Javy…
    And why did Soriano become the closer??? I thought it was just going to be match-ups. Now, if its for trading purposes, fine…everyone knows they both can close. I just don’t think Gonzo did anything to lose the job.


  387. 390 Voice of Raisins July 9, 2009 at 6:28 pm

    Tonight’s lineup:

    1. N8 CF
    2. Marteeeeeen 3B (Chipper is still hurting. I say sit him until after the ASB)
    3. GAnderson LF 😐
    4. Mac Daddy C
    5. Yunel SS
    6. Kotch 1B
    7. Francois RF 😡 Why?
    8. Brooks Conrad 2B (I like the whole name. Rolls off the tongue – Brooks Conrad
    9. TommyH P (I think I want his jersey.)


  388. 391 Savannah Guy July 9, 2009 at 6:42 pm

    Bobby has a crush on French. It’s the only possible explanation.


  389. 392 Savannah Guy July 9, 2009 at 6:46 pm

    A better lineup:

    1. McLouth
    2. Prado
    3. Yunel
    4. Mac
    5. Conrad
    6. Diaz
    7. Kotch
    8. Any warm body other than French
    9. Hanson


  390. 393 Carolina Lady July 9, 2009 at 7:26 pm

    8. Any warm body other than French

    MeMeMeME! Can I, huh? Huh? I mean, I’m 5 months out from rotator cuff surgery now and I can sorta throw – almost – an’ I try real hard so can I, huh? Pleeeeeeeeze???



  391. 394 Savannah Guy July 9, 2009 at 7:43 pm

    Let’s throw CL in there and see what she’s got.

    Maybe start out with some long throws and bunting practice…


  392. 395 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 9, 2009 at 7:49 pm

    I like Giving CL a chance, kid you’re in there!


  393. 396 Savannah Guy July 9, 2009 at 7:54 pm

    Will she be called CL’lie?

    C’mon kid!


  394. 397 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 9, 2009 at 8:02 pm

    Did you all hear Andruw Jones had a 3 homer game yesterday??? Now has 14 for the year in only 160 AB’s. He is still not hitting for much of an average, .250, but has a .348 OBP. With Josh Hamilton back, I wonder if he will be traded??? Would you want to see him in RF???
    So many, including me thought Andruw was toast. Very glad to see he’s made a comeback…if someone who seemed pretty stubborn can turn it around, surely Frenchy will as well…he’s younger, and tries…but it sure won’t be here, will it???


  395. 398 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 9, 2009 at 8:03 pm

    CL doesn’t lie!!!! 😡


  396. 399 Savannah Guy July 9, 2009 at 8:30 pm

    Andruw may get his swing back (he may also lose it again for long stretches) but he won’t get his knees back and he loves his cheeseburgers too much to run like he used to. That whole, growing older, reduced metabolism and not having any self discipline or self awareness thing can do wonders to an old baseball body.

    AJ is destined for DH or bench hitter in the AL. He has no business in the NL. Please don’t let him come to Atlanta. Bobby’d put him back at cleanup.

    In the meantime and back to the current Braves…

    Just figured out why Cox is starting French instead of Diaz. Matty has gone 13 for 26 and French is 3 for 21. So, it makes perfect sense, starting French… he has to catch up.

    Bobby does not like players like Diaz showing up his boys.

    You know… if I decided to drink too much one night and lost my sense of good taste I could damn near go all Hee-haw Robertistic on the subject. But I won’t… and I won’t. Maybe. :mrgreen:


  397. 400 Savannah Guy July 9, 2009 at 8:32 pm

    No, that’s CL’lie, as in Smoltzie. But you knew.

    CL’y? CL’ie? C’ly. Ceely? Sealy? :blush:


  398. 401 Savannah Guy July 9, 2009 at 8:33 pm

    No blush? I hate anticlimax.


  399. 402 Savannah Guy July 9, 2009 at 8:41 pm

    CL is off the DL

    She’s ready to play

    A Carolina Lady in the NL

    Is better than French, I’d say


  400. 403 Carolina Lady July 9, 2009 at 9:04 pm

    Yeah! Lemme at ’em! Where they at??



  401. 404 Carolina Lady July 9, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    Robert-esque is one sure-fire way to wind up in the doghouse!!!

    Or, who was that guy that went on for days on end about some obscure statistic? Didn’t think I’d ever forget that name!

    (BTW, I still can’t find the keys! Who was the last resident??)


  402. 405 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 9, 2009 at 11:08 pm

    CL, ha! I can’t think of his name either!


  403. 406 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 9, 2009 at 11:15 pm

    Yep, everyone knows the braves are going to bunt, just keep the ball belt high or higher, and they will pop it up.


  404. 407 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 9, 2009 at 11:53 pm

    blah. We still don’t guard the line late in the game.


  405. 408 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 10, 2009 at 12:34 am

    And where is FBG??? On a trip???


  406. 409 flbravesgirl July 10, 2009 at 1:38 am

    Just lots of stuff going on, Ber.

    Do you mean Shaun the stat-robot, CL?


  407. 410 Carolina Lady July 10, 2009 at 9:19 am

    Yes! That’s it, FBG! Good memory! We’ve missed you here!


  408. 411 Savannah Guy July 10, 2009 at 10:01 am

    Whoever has the keys to the doghouse had best just check themselves right back in there. 😆

    Boy, Gonzo just ain’t cuttin’ it lately. He’s blown how many in the past few weeks? Wonder if the arm isn’t recovered. Hate to lose games like that one.


  409. 412 Salty July 10, 2009 at 12:07 pm

    The Gonzo arm is fine; the mind is being challenged. Those guys have it tough…and it takes just a mis-step for them to question themselves. Fortunately, a small dose of success makes for good medicine, too. Still…it’s a parenting issue come home to roost after a while. Bobby doesn’t treat all his kids as he should…and it backfires after a while. Get the metaphor? I know you do!


  410. 413 Savannah Guy July 10, 2009 at 1:04 pm

    Get the metaphor? I know you do!

    Medicine dosage, parenting, roosting and backfiring. Yes… must always keep dangerous things like medicines, fireworks and, uh, chickens away from kids.



  411. 414 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 10, 2009 at 2:03 pm

    in 85 braves games, Moylan has been in 47, Gonzalez in 45, O’Flaherty in 44 and Soriano in 39. Considering the braves have only won 41 games, that’s way too many games ..well, way too many games even if the team had 50 wins.
    Lets see now…Red Sox, 51 wins, and only one pitcher, Okajima has been in 40 games. Papelbon has been in 38 games. And thats with Brad Penny averaging 5.5 innings a game, Dice K going 4.5 innings in his 8 starts.


  412. 415 Savannah Guy July 10, 2009 at 2:08 pm

    Braves need a 6 man rotation, with two splitting a game. Or an innings eating reliever that can go 3 innings twice a week. Or wing and a prayer…


  413. 416 flbravesgirl July 10, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    Prayer might help. Or offering some cookies to the baseball gods.

    SG, I’m stumped. What’s the new avatar? A pause button? A pill? A funny-looking M&M?


  414. 417 flbravesgirl July 10, 2009 at 6:20 pm

    Seeing unconfirmed reports of Frenchy to Mets for Ryan Church.


  415. 418 Salty July 10, 2009 at 6:26 pm



  416. 419 Salty July 10, 2009 at 6:29 pm

    A funny-looking M&M?

    I like that, FBG!!!! I’d emote, but as everyone know’s…I don’t like these ‘thigamajigs’! WordPress has regressed to kindergarten…no, no…nursery school drawings!


  417. 420 flbravesgirl July 10, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    I’m not too crazy about trading within the division. I really have mixed feelings about this; my head said “dump him”, my heart said “maybe he’ll figure it out”. Always had a soft spot for the homegrown kids.


  418. 421 Salty July 10, 2009 at 6:37 pm

    I hear you, but homegrown playing doesn’t work for every one…and sentiment doesn’t put us in the seats. Winning does…or is supposed to! Right now, they could be undefeated and I wouldn’t go. The $$ is ridiculous for what you get in return. Can’t justify the expense…or the time…or the drive…or the parking…and I ain’t even at the game yet!

    I know…more than you asked for!


  419. 422 Salty July 10, 2009 at 6:43 pm

    Great…six relievers in baseball have made at least 42 appearances…three are Braves. Now, I’m no math whizkid…but if we have one of the best rotations in baseball, and we do…then why are wearing these guys out?

    I do not like Bobby’s book. He needs to burn it…shred it…lose it…pickle it…whatever. He’s tainting his own legacy by the day. And it’s a gross injustice to guys like Moylan and Gonzales who are coming off surgeries.

    As I continue my rant…let’s see if Cox tosses the book in exchange for the wrong book when Hudson returns. I can hear Bobby now: “He was still gettin’ it up there at 65 in 7th…not bad for your first start in over a year…and especially after 115 pitches.”

    Say what!?!?!


  420. 423 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 10, 2009 at 7:40 pm

    WOW!!!! 8O, yep, just what I was figuring would happen…trade Frenchy to another NL east team, for a the one guy having a worse season than him….and Church is a lefty!
    Wait…espn must have had the wrong stats, I think Frenchy’s were mixed. I saw for Church 2 HR’s 22 RBi’s and .250 Ave, .280 OBP.
    Actually, .280 BA, .332 OBP. Better than Frenchy for sure.
    digging more, .167 BA against lefties, .310 against righties! Hmm, a platoon with Diaz, that might be a pretty decent platoon! Not a bopper for sure, but if they would just put the one guy hitting homers down the lineup, our offense will definitely be better. It’s better right now.


  421. 424 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 10, 2009 at 7:47 pm

    Salty, I hear ya my brotha! The one thing I can say in defense of Bobby is with such a lousy offense, he has had to take starters out pitching well in games the braves are losing 2-1, to put a pitch hitter in. But, we have a lot of arms down there, might as well use all of them.


  422. 425 Gil in Mechanicsville July 10, 2009 at 8:18 pm

    Yep, how many games has Manny been used in?


  423. 426 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 10, 2009 at 8:24 pm

    Weird, just looked at the lineup and Frenchy’s still in there, batting cleanup!







  424. 427 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 10, 2009 at 8:27 pm

    Gil, since June 2nd, 10 games. 2.12 ERA for the year….


  425. 428 Gil in Mechanicsville July 10, 2009 at 8:34 pm

    Well, Frenchy has been traded to the Mets… for Ryan Church…


  426. 429 Gil in Mechanicsville July 10, 2009 at 8:36 pm

    One thing about baseball, no matter what team you watch, you can always find a Braves connection…


  427. 430 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 10, 2009 at 8:41 pm

    Someone hasn’t read all the posts made today! 😉

    Isn’t it shocking Gil??? Not so much him being traded, just to whom, and for what…I have to say I like it for the braves…I just don’t know that it’s the best for Frenchy. KC, Nats, Seattle, that would make sense. I would hate to see him being booed by 45,000 after 2 strikeouts…


  428. 431 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 10, 2009 at 8:54 pm

    One thing about baseball, no matter what team you watch, you can always find a Braves connection…
    Gil, that is so true! And it’s funny, because it doesn’t seem like we turn over a lineup like the Pirates have been doing.


  429. 432 Salty July 10, 2009 at 8:59 pm

    I was annoyed when the Mets got Church, so…I’m a happy camper.

    I do feel for Jeff…it’s not easy being thrust on a pedastal as ‘The Natural’ in the town you grew up in. Seriously…how many of us could deal with that at 22. I couldn’t, for bloody certain.

    My temptation is to bash him a bit for how he responded to efforts to ‘turn him around’, but, again….we’re not all equal…gov’t be damned! LOL!


  430. 433 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 10, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    Good grief…Yunel and Kotchman aren’t able to play. Chipper is hurt, but has to play. So, we brought up a….. long reliever???


  431. 434 Savannah Guy July 10, 2009 at 9:30 pm

    French to the Mets. Wow. Just… wow.

    Just heard the news on the pre-game radio show while driving home. Mets? I’m glad Braves don’t have him any longer. It was beyond pitiful watching him struggle. Maybe this’ll be a head-clearing move and he’ll snap out of his bad paradigm. His new hitting instructor will probably break him down a bit more and no doubt do it with more authority. Home town pressure is one thing… but Mets fans are brutal. If he continues his slumping ways Jeff’s psyche may be broken beyond repair. Or the change will get him going. It’ll be interesting to witness from a distance.

    Was hoping he’d go to an AL or non-division team so I could pull for him, sorta, on occasion. That’ll be a bit harder now since he’s with a… THE division rival. My bet is that he’ll be released after the season.

    He’d better grow up quick up there.


  432. 435 Savannah Guy July 10, 2009 at 9:40 pm

    Without even looking at where Ryan Church came from, I know the Braves have made a good deal (hardly a bad deal for French), barring an undetected injury that will bench him or something weird like that.

    Salty, that avatar was a compromise because I couldn’t find one I liked, plus it seemed appropriate since I can only show up and post when there is a pause in the storms… literally and figuratively. So yes, it’s a pause button. A pause that refreshes. 😀

    So… now that French is gone, who will be the new dog on the Braves? A whipping boy is not what we want or need, but the arrows have fit the wounds inflicted.

    We still need a, you know…


  433. 436 Savannah Guy July 10, 2009 at 9:43 pm

    Since the blog is slowing with so many posts, we need to volunteer someone to write a new lead on the trade. I volunteer Raisins. He’s been a slacker lately, celebrating his anniversary and ignoring his obligations to post and all. :mrgreen:


  434. 437 Savannah Guy July 10, 2009 at 9:45 pm

    Another volunteer suggestion… Salty!

    He’s been very lax about joining in here lately. He needs to make it up by writing the next lead. Serves him right, staying away like that. The nerve…


  435. 438 Salty July 10, 2009 at 9:46 pm

    …who will be the new dog on the Braves?

    Six major league pitchers have 42 or more appearances this year; three are with Los Bravos! I nominate Sir Cox for ‘dog-dom’! I’m guessing Frenchy tested his last nerve…and Bobby has mine. Never thought it would come to this…shoulda known: never, say ‘never’!


  436. 439 Savannah Guy July 10, 2009 at 9:49 pm

    Another volunteer suggestion… Klobber.

    He needs to get his derriere back in here and redeem himself by writing the next lead. And clean up that saloon afterwards. Getting musty in there. Being in a musty place is not good, especially if you’re in there every night. Oh, uh, by the way, need to restock the rooskie makin’s.


  437. 440 Salty July 10, 2009 at 9:49 pm

    The nerve, you say? Hmmm….guilty as charged; shouldn’t have been around as I have, but the allure of Stuff-ville is hard to ignore! (How’s that for sucking up in galactic fashion?) SG…I hate homework…hate guilt even more!

    Lessee…lots of stats pulled the other day…lessee what I can cull. I’m pretty sure I’ve done one of the two or three shortest leads in B&S history; records are meant to be broken!


  438. 441 Salty July 10, 2009 at 9:51 pm

    Hey, …I don’t mind ‘teacher’s pets’, but blatant campaigning for such status is a bit beneath Stuffville. Make SG stop!!! LOL!


  439. 442 Savannah Guy July 10, 2009 at 9:53 pm

    Short is fine. We’ll fill in the rest. 😆

    Just paw some stuff down.

    Just thinkin’… this trade HAS to be a boost for the team attitude. I think Jeff’s struggles were effecting everyone in the clubhouse. Especially Mac.


  440. 443 Carolina Lady July 10, 2009 at 10:00 pm

    They just did that to mess up my banner! 😡

    flash: we’re gonna be living with it for a while! 🙂


  441. 444 Savannah Guy July 10, 2009 at 10:01 pm

    Salty, I honestly don’t believe Cox wanted to lose French and that the trade was probably something he rejected for a long time. No matter what is written by beat reporters, Bobby wanted Jeff around. I’m just guessing but, that’s my opinion.

    As far as Bobby being the new dog… yep. Same as the old dog… Cox needs to go. Yet, as much as he needs to go for the team he needs to stay for his own interests, which don’t include home obviously. He may be around until the hook is brought out for him. Shame, really. Every day Bobby manages he loses another piece of his legacy.


  442. 445 Savannah Guy July 10, 2009 at 10:03 pm

    CL, just add a goatee to that banner pic of French and we’ll call him Ryan Church.


  443. 446 Savannah Guy July 10, 2009 at 10:09 pm

    Methinks Jeff would be a Brave today if he hadn’t said the stupid, self-serving things he said on numerous occasions.

    OK, I’ll fuggetaboutit. He sleeps with the fishes.


  444. 447 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 10, 2009 at 11:20 pm

    So yes, it’s a pause button. A pause that refreshes.

    SG, you sir are terrible! 😉


  445. 448 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 10, 2009 at 11:24 pm

    SG, Frenchy…from what I saw on the pre game show was beloved by all. Of course you expect McCann to be sad about it, (Though he thought he’d do well there) but Jurrjens seemed sad, Chipper even seemed sad about it…I guess like bobby, they just kept thinking he was going to turn that imaginary corner here…..


  446. 449 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 11, 2009 at 12:34 am

    Jonathan Sanchez has a no no thru 8 innings for the giants! ESPN will show the 9th inning in a second.


  447. 450 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 11, 2009 at 12:39 am

    he got it!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  448. 451 flbravesgirl July 11, 2009 at 12:57 am

    Congrats to Sanchez. Pretty cool for the no-name guy in SF’s rotation.


  449. 452 flbravesgirl July 11, 2009 at 12:59 am

    Of course I don’t get the pre-game ( & was stuck with the Rockies broadcast tonight) so I didn’t see them talking about Jeff. The thing that struck me was that I never saw Mac smile tonight. Gotta be a sad day for him.


  450. 453 Gil in Mechanicsville July 11, 2009 at 5:34 am

    Good morning all… I must confess, I gave up watching last night when the rain delay struck. Glad to read that the Bravos held on.

    Yes, the one thing that is constant in life is change. For better or worse, change happens…

    I too wish Frenchy well, hopefully his new hitting coach will spot something to get him turned around.

    Ryan Church is a good player, I don’t know what he did to get on Jerry Manuel’s bad side but the Metropolitans have been looking to move him for a while.

    He can also serve as a catcher so maybe Ross can be use in games a bit more.


  451. 454 Savannah Guy July 11, 2009 at 6:38 am

    Has anybody noticed the new look of the Braves? With the trades, we’re seeing players that look like blue-collar, gritty, tough guys. No pretty boys. Not ugly mind you… just not Jeff and Kelly-like. More like guys you’d expect on the Boston roster. More importantly, we’re filling in with guys I think will scrap.

    Look around at the new, emerging Braves. Guys like Mac, Ross, Prado, McLouth, Church. Hoss fits and has always been a tough machine. Hopefully he won’t start blowing gaskets too often. Does Yunel fit into that? He could, but he’d better toughen up. Kotch has the scruffy look but he’s not the player he appeared to be when we got him or the player he needs to be to keep him. Garrett could be and has been a tough warrior but I’m afraid his train has left the station.

    Can you imagine Yuke at first on this team? Dreaming, I know. Still, we’re building a roster of tough, scrappy dudes that opposing pitchers won’t want to blatantly nail with a pitch, lest the bench clearing that would ensue would not be pretty.

    Bosox south. That’s pretty in my book.


  452. 455 Savannah Guy July 11, 2009 at 7:05 am

    Whoops, forgot to throw Conrad in that bunch. You know I like that kid. He fits the new profile like a glove. Diaz too, although I expect him to be trade bait. Infante is right in the thick of it and should be playing every day for Atlanta when his hand heals. He’s a keeper. How’s that hand coming along? We have good options with filling in the infield, even if Chipper is out from time to time. I’m missing somebody…

    Maybe we let Yunel mature in a warm climate, say… Houston. Trade him for Miguel Tejada. Ok, Ok, still dreaming.

    Here’s hoping Embree comes back from the broken tibia. Winced when I read the description of Prado’s line drive that hit him and the bone crack heard all the way to the outfield. Alan has been a horse for al lotta years. Returning from this may be tough at this stage of his career. Godspeed in recovery for Alan.


  453. 456 Savannah Guy July 11, 2009 at 7:33 am

    Bear, your 11:24… it is sad. He’s developed friendships with those guys.

    Jeff could’a been something in Atlanta, but a series of things happened. His batting was not the problem, it was the symptom. Whatever mindset that got him into such a two-year slump was the same mindset that made him think he could automatically go from minor leagues to superstardom and a huge contract overnight. He refused a very nice, more than fair offer before Mac got his.

    But he declined. The same mindset was evident when he pouted about going back to Gwinnett to work on his swing. We all saw how that played out.

    The same mindset was behind the comments recently about “not filling out the game card” and “playing somewhere”, etc. Methinks the attitude got him into his slump. Whether it was a lack of self awareness, a sense of entitlement, an inability to focus, an eye problem or a combination of all (which I believe was the case, things didn’t work out as a “home town high school standout becomes superstar in home town” fairy tale like he and so many seemed to think.

    No, he shouldn’t have turned down that contract offer. Lucky for the Braves, he did.

    Now he has a chance, away from the high expectations of home town to either get his act together or to use this as a negative experience. If he chooses the latter, he just got a one way ticket to Palookaville.


  454. 457 Savannah Guy July 11, 2009 at 7:35 am

    I love the smell of domination in the morning.


  455. 458 Savannah Guy July 11, 2009 at 7:37 am

    Like Napalm, on different.

    Salty’s new lead should be up any minute…


  456. 459 Savannah Guy July 11, 2009 at 7:38 am

    On different? What happened to my L and my Y?

    Blabbering non-stop has it’s price.


  457. 460 Gil in Mechanicsville July 11, 2009 at 7:43 am

    No Country For Old Men…. Pitchers are becoming targets… Embree is not the first hurler to get nailed this year and certainly won’t be the last. It just reiterates the importance of being able to field your position and having quick reflexes when you are only about 55 feet from home plate when you finish your delivery.

    Scrappy of scrap? Same but different.. I don’t mind players having a tough gritty attitude but you still need a good bit of talent to play in the majors. There were a couple of plays last night that reminded us of why Conrad and Hernandez won’t be mentioned by many as being an All-Star double play combo.

    Still, a good stick can cover for a lot of ills with the glove…

    The interviews with Ryan Church gives the impression that he believes he will be an everyday guy with the Braves. I hope he accepts a lessor role as a platoon guy for a while.

    As much as I like Diaz, I hate that gosh awful swing of his… looks as if he it trying to swat a misquote with his bat. He has a quick swing, I just think it would benefit both him and the Braves greatly if he would level it out a bit.


  458. 461 Gil in Mechanicsville July 11, 2009 at 7:52 am

    And Miguel Tejada is not the player he once was… No, that train stopped when he ran out of “juice”…

    Escobar has fallen out of favor with Miss Josie for sure… Not sure why but I think it has something to do with his attitude. Failure to accept responsibility for his own actions.. Showboating… Anyway, he would be a very attractive player to be traded if the Braves had a good replacement available for him.

    Yes, the Braves are looking more and more like Frank Wren’s team. Now, the only thing left will be to trade Chipper and hire a new manager…. it will happen, just don’t know when….


  459. 462 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 11, 2009 at 9:19 am

    He can also serve as a catcher so maybe Ross can be use in games a bit more.

    Gil, I did not know that! It would be great if Ross could at the very least pinch hit….shame to waste a good bat, and only play him once a week….To think the Reds released him last year, and the Red Sox saw no need to keep him as a backup catcher either!


  460. 463 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 11, 2009 at 9:23 am

    I like a scrappy team as well! Much better than a crappy one! :mrgreen:

    Gil, Diory did have a huge hit last night, late in the game. Something we see, what??? Once a month??? He will no doubt go down once Infante comes back…but he’s made a good impression of late. Swinging a lot better than a few weeks ago…

    Frenchy was talking about how Bobby, TP and he were watching tape for 30 minutes yesterday…wonder if Bobby had no idea, or was just trying to help him out??? Sounded like Bobby was doing the majority of the tutoring…I wonder if TP was hurt by that , like he was when Frenchy got some help from the Rangers hitting coach???


  461. 464 Gil in Mechanicsville July 11, 2009 at 10:23 am

    The facts are this, General Managers hire and fire players, managers and coaches… Sometimes the communicate with the manager, sometimes they don’t. Usually the coaches go about their business until they are told otherwise.

    While I am certain Bobby knew Frenchy was on the block, I doubt he knew the deed was done until after the fact.

    I think it is amazing that Bobby has hung on this long, of course Dayton Moore was the real heir apparent before he signed with Kansas City. The Frank Wren deal was second choice for JS.

    Anyway, while I find it difficult to root for the Mets under any circumstance, I hope Francouer does well there. In any case, he will be playing for a few more years, he just won’t be making as much money as he expected.

    Speaking of which, I wonder how much Andruw will sign for next season? He sure isn’t hurting himself in Texas is he?


  462. 465 Carolina Lady July 11, 2009 at 10:51 am

    The Francoeur deal: “The Mets receive $270,218 as part of the trade to equalize salaries.”Church immediately sent Chipper Jones a text message.

    Loved this from Church: “They’re (Mets) going to have to change up a lot of signs. I know everything,” Church said. “I’ll definitely fill them in.”

    Church tried to play after his second concussion last year but struggled to shake the symptoms.

    “Around the league, people are saying it could have been handled different, but it was just one of those things where we were in uncharted waters,” he said. “Being a baseball player, you want to play. You want to be there every day. And it just so happened it didn’t help.”

    Manuel on Francoeur: “”No. 1, I think he’s a tremendous defensive player, even though I’m not looking for defense right now,” Manuel said before laughing a dozen times.” Huh??


  463. 466 Gil in Mechanicsville July 11, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    Okay, another interesting and productive day. After lying around and doing absolutely nothing yesterday as Josie went with the grand kids to Kings Dominion (like Six Flags.. only different), I actually felt like getting out of the house today.

    We skipped the Hanover Tomato Festival (World Famous here locally) and went in the opposite direction to the gun show. A point of observation.. If the gun dealers don’t support Obama’s re-election bid in four more years I will be very surprised…

    I mean Shazam!!!! the prices for guns and ammo are outrageous… It has jumped a good 50% since his election… No shortage of buyers either. I was temped to rent a booth and sell my collection on the spot. Instead, I bought a very nice Winchester Mdl 94 saddle ring carbine that was chambered in 357 mag. I had been looking for one for about 3 years now so I felt pretty fortunate.

    Anyway, Josie, ever the good sport, went along with me and found the coins and jewelry vendors to keep her busy. A lot can be said for a gal who doesn’t mind walking the aisles looking at the mirade of firearms for sale. She is not much on hunting but a better fisherman can not be found. Pretty good for a city girl I would say….


  464. 467 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 11, 2009 at 4:34 pm

    CL, perhaps Manuel was drunk??? You’d start drinking too if you had to watch a AAA team instead of the players you expected to have play. Almost makes you feel sorry for the Mets…almost.

    Gil, if there is a second term, some of those gun dealers might live to regret that…no matter how much they are gouging making now.


  465. 468 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 11, 2009 at 4:37 pm

    Most of the futures players are behind the “Insider” part of the site, but Keith Law still has a paragraph about Jason Heyward.(I just wrote out Justin, for some reason!) I want to see him in left now!!! Oh well, loaf can hold the fort til 2010.



  466. 469 Savannah Guy July 11, 2009 at 8:24 pm

    Kiss my grits. :mrgreen:


  467. 470 Savannah Guy July 11, 2009 at 8:25 pm

    It’ll be midnight before anyone sees that and I’ll be safe in bed by then.


  468. 471 Savannah Guy July 11, 2009 at 8:27 pm

    Must be a really long lead Salty’s writin’.


  469. 472 Gil in Mechanicsville July 11, 2009 at 8:34 pm

    You think??? 🙂


  470. 473 Carolina Lady July 11, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    Salty’s writing the new lead?! YES!!! Salty’s da man!!! Can’t wait to read it!!



  471. 474 Savannah Guy July 11, 2009 at 9:38 pm

    Salty is really a great and caring guy… writing the lead. Should be posted within minutes.


  472. 475 Savannah Guy July 11, 2009 at 9:39 pm

    That would have been nice if Church’s fly would’ve been ten feet further, to the right or left. Long noisy out but nice pop.


  473. 476 Savannah Guy July 11, 2009 at 9:47 pm

    Or was is Bear that was writing the lead? Can’t remember.


  474. 477 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 11, 2009 at 10:09 pm

    Oh, I am pretty sure it was SG…yup…SG


  475. 478 Savannah Guy July 11, 2009 at 10:33 pm

    No, I did the one before this one. It must be Salty or Bear.

    Wait… maybe Gil said he’d tackle it. Yea, that’s the ticket! Gil was gonna write one.


  476. 479 flbravesgirl July 12, 2009 at 12:57 am

    Good thing Mac drove in that 4th run. 😯

    What’s with the new avatar, Ber? She looks like an 80s aerobics instructor/ pinup.


  477. 480 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 12, 2009 at 2:35 am

    FBG, that’s pretty much the case, Victoria Principal back during her Jane Fonda days…everyone seemed to have an exercise book, tape then…the arm position cracks me up! Looks like she has one long, strange arm.


  478. 481 Savannah Guy July 12, 2009 at 8:31 am

    Victoria Principal back during her Jane Fonda days

    Barbarella ‘glass-globe’ days? The days of strattling an anti-aircraft gun in Vietnam days? Was Jane wearing spandex tights and those little floppy knee socks things in Hanoi? The days of the Turner escapades?

    Oh, you mean the days of firmness, cosmetics, fashion fitness, disco and physical appearance above all? Back in the post Dallas days of, beauty is all ye know and all ye need to know, who needs the truth days? Yes, the icons of those trendy days of narcissism and gym fashion were shallow and quite annoying.

    Victoria was a looker tho… back in the day. Jane was too, in her day, but we see what that was worth.

    Then you have Richard Simmons. Oy… why did I have to think of that…


  479. 482 Savannah Guy July 12, 2009 at 9:05 am

    A few random thoughts on the way our boys played the game last night:

    Mac is our all-star. He should be and deserves it, but man… he really needs to improve his defense. Passed ball right down the middle of the plate. Yeow. Maybe glasses were fogged, dunno.

    Prado was lollygagging to third and almost got thrown out running the bases, then on defense, after taking an easy grounder he waved off the pitcher and did such a slow shuffle over to first he barely beat the runner. Two very easy plays that he almost messed up. Hope success doesn’t go to his head. It’s way too early for that.

    Conrad showed the ability to play very well at second, and he also showed the ability to play not so well. I really like this kid and he has some pop, but I hope his D gets more consistent. He’s just up to the bigs, so I expect he’ll settle down. Hopefully.

    Diory… uh, where Yunel at?

    Chipper. Hoss. It’s good when he can be in the lineup. Changes everything. Hopefully he’ll get some rest over the break and go on a tear.

    Jair once again showed that he’s an ace in the making. And two hits. And two ribby’s. Nice game JJ.

    McLouth is a player. He may not make highlight films every game but he shows up to play every game.

    Church’s box score was not impressive. The way he almost hit a grand slam only to be robbed on the deep warning track and the way he later scorched the line drive that Helton snared was impressive. I like.

    Garrett Anderson looks as though he is inconvenienced by having to walk to the batters box and even more inconvenienced in the field having to run and stuff. I know, it’s probably just his casual demeanor that I mistake for loafing, but still… if you’re gonna act all nonchalant like Manny being Manny, you gotta hit like Manny.

    Diaz can look so bad and other times just rake. If somebody could ever figure out how to get him consistent he’s be a real threat. Wonder where TP fits into that project?

    Moylan… yikes. Either he’s overused (which he is), or he’s not fully recovered (which he isn’t), or the washed-up Moylan catapulted to the MLB right out of WBC experiment is not sustainable. Not sure.

    Acosta looks better this year than ever before. Much greater mound presence, greater command and seems to have picked up some speed and movement. I’m surprised he’s not used more. As soon as I say that, he’ll be brought out every night for weeks until his arm falls off.

    Soriano was lights out. I think he’s at his best when a leadoff hitter accidentally pokes one that falls in just over the shortstops head for a bloop hit. That really ticked him off. The next three batters had to pay for that by suffering the wrath of a very annoyed closer. Pity those opponents that have to bat against Raffy following a bloop hit.

    Did I miss anyone? Oh, forgot the manager. Not sure what Bobby did last night. He waddled out to the mound once on a pitching change. Gotta admit, his arm/wrist signal for a lefty or righty is the best in the game. Like a royal wave that is so practiced and has become so subtle in it’s minimal motion that the pen must watch TV to even see it. He and Chino need to rent a Victoria Principal tape and skip the buffet a few weeks. Other than that, Bobby seemed to watch the whole game just fine. That’s something.

    Anyhoo, that’s how the boys looked from over here on the coast.


  480. 483 Savannah Guy July 12, 2009 at 9:10 am

    Whaa? Why was my whole 8:31 in italics? It ain’t right. Only the first line should’a been italicized. Maybe I was trying to look at Victoria’s, uh, long arm and got befuzzled. Dunno.

    Must happen when there is a new lead in the pipeline. Wasn’t CL gonna write the new one? Seems I remember that from somewhere. It’s prolly gonna be posted any minute. Can’t wait to read it. She writes good leads, yes she does. :mrgreen:


  481. 485 Gil in Mechanicsville July 12, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    befuzzled… Like Joe Biden… but different… 🙂


  482. 486 Berigan ll, (Thread Killa) July 12, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    game time is 3:10. 4 games, 4 different times. Lets see, 8:40, 9:10…what was yesterdays start time???
    At least the worst we can do is a split, and considering how hot the Rockies have been, pretty darned good!

    In other (former) braves news, in case y’all missed it, Frenchy went 2 for 4 in his Mutts debut. Glad to see that. Don’t want to see him booed off the field. Let him hit a homer in every game against us….and have the mutts lose every game! 🙂

    Smoltz won his first game since April of 2008. 5 innings, 1 run, 7 strikeouts.


  483. 487 Savannah Guy July 12, 2009 at 2:39 pm

    Slick? Hmmm… maybe it was Gil writing the lead. Not sure.

    This place is really hoppin’ today. Not.

    Everybody must be relaxing in an air conditioned theatre with popcorn or their favorite snack.

    Intermission: Let’s all go to the lobby, let’s all go to the lobby, let’s all go to the loooobbbbyyy… and get some thing to drink. Mmmm… ice cold Diet Coke. Refreshing.

    Speaking of cool refreshment, here’s a link to one of my favorite pop songs. Just heard it while driving home and it seems to improve over the decades. The vid is not bad, but it’s old, somewhat dated and does not do the song justice… like so many videos. So, it’s heard best by closing the eyes. If thinking of loved ones while listening to the lyrics don’t give you chill bumps, well…

    In Your Eyes.


  484. 489 Gil in Mechanicsville July 12, 2009 at 5:38 pm

    Braves trying real hard to give this game back…


  485. 490 Savannah Guy July 12, 2009 at 5:40 pm

    Earlier, I shouldn’t have mentioned Acosta doing well. Now he’s thrown in there for the third day in a row and, I guess his arm fell off. GA started it with a horrible throw to third. Then Acosta picked up the ball around the Rockies dugout and threw it away going home… allowing the runner to advance to third. Horrible. Oh, the horrors. Now we’ve got a one run game in Colorado of all places.

    Why am I reporting this? Everybody is sitting right there watching the game. Nevermind… I just do this to entertain myself anyway. 😆


  486. 491 Salty July 12, 2009 at 6:35 pm

    Salty is being blackmailed!


  487. 492 Savannah Guy July 12, 2009 at 6:42 pm

    Salty, you are right…I, Savannah Guy, will write the next lead…yep…and I stole Bear’s avatar.. Sorry about that chief.


  488. 493 Savannah Guy July 12, 2009 at 6:52 pm

    Classic loss… snatching defeat from the jaws… that’s another one squarely on Cox. Gross mismanagement of the pen.

    Sometimes I wonder if during the game he forgets we have more than the few of his favored overused pitchers du jour available?

    Not a pretty loss and all of our rivals won today, adding injury to insult. Wasted a great outing by Conrad and then basically insulted him by removing him in the bottom 9th for Diory. In my book you gotta give the guy a chance to screw up before you yank him after the game he had. Had we held on to win he would’ve been player of the game.

    Some players step up their game and some are transformed when they get to the bigs. I’m hoping that’s the case for Conrad. He just needs a chance.

    Yes, I know… it’s widely reported that Brooks is not that good defensively, but for the most part he’s looked very good since he got here.

    Sometimes ‘conventional wisdom’ ain’t.


  489. 494 Savannah Guy July 12, 2009 at 6:59 pm

    Somebody stole my name and Bear’s avatar. It’s double identity theft. Oh, my… who is it?


  490. 495 Savannah Guy July 12, 2009 at 7:00 pm

    Whoever is guilty should write the next lead. That’s a law in Stuffville.


  491. 496 Savannah Guy July 12, 2009 at 7:02 pm

    Somebody better fess up and face the music.


  492. 497 Carolina Lady July 12, 2009 at 7:13 pm

    Hey, do y’all remember those glorious days in the beginning of that new venture called Braves & Stuff? Back when everybody was SOOOO excited to have the opportunity to actually WRITE a blog LEAD???!!!! Remember that?

    Whut happened, Kemo Sabe??

    Mention a lead and all I see are flapping doors and cars screeching out the drive!



  493. 498 berigan2electricboogaloo July 12, 2009 at 7:42 pm

    Gosh, I wonder who did that???
    Could be me…I guess. 😳
    I wasn’t feeling well, and laid down with the braves up 7-3. I just KNEW the braves were going to win the game. Am I ever so glad I didn’t end up watching the game.


  494. 499 berigan2electricboogaloo July 12, 2009 at 8:03 pm

    Gee, V hasn’t posted since the 9th, hasn’t even talked about the Frenchy trade….hope all is well!


  495. 500 Gil in Mechanicsville July 12, 2009 at 8:36 pm

    SIGH!!!!! This team frustrates me so….

    And now we have a frog strangler going on. Glad I had the roof fixed last year…


  496. 501 Savannah Guy July 12, 2009 at 8:39 pm

    Mention a lead and all I see are flapping doors and cars screeching out the drive!


    Bear has confessed to the crime of identity theft. His sentence is to write a blog lead tonight… sayeth the Kangaroo.


  497. 502 Savannah Guy July 12, 2009 at 8:49 pm

    Bear, not to worry… Raisins is enjoying his anniversary vacation.

    Now stop beating around the bush and write that lead.


  498. 503 berigan2electricboogaloo July 12, 2009 at 9:11 pm

    frog strangler here too Gil!
    For some strange reason, I keep thinkin’ the guy who writes books on blogs and keeps trying to get everyone else should write the next blog! 😛

    CL, aren’t you glad you only had one kid??? 🙂


  499. 504 berigan2electricboogaloo July 12, 2009 at 9:13 pm

    sentence structure good I am at.


  500. 505 Savannah Guy July 12, 2009 at 9:15 pm

    Ten lead headlines and ideas for Bear:

    1. Why Bobby must go… 150 reasons off the top.

    2. The lofty goal of .500 ball by the All-Star break is not what we expected or aspired to in the Spring. Is it?

    3. An overview of the new, young and not so young kids that have arrived this year.

    4. The glass of first half results is half full. No, it’s half empty. Um…

    5. It’s early. Well, not that early. But it’s not late either. Not that late. Later than early.

    6. When will the Braves get the big bopper? If no trade is made, when will the Braves get bopped from contention?

    7. Who will be the next pitching injury due to Bobby’s bullpen, uh, strategy? Do we need a pitching Czar? WWBOD?

    8. Will Chino get fed up with his role of hispanic arbitrator, interpreter and bench coach or will he just, well, get fed?

    9. Who on the field will step up, rise to the occasion and valiantly lead the Braves to postseason? Trick question…

    10. Why I love writing leads for Braves and Stuff and why I shall never, ever steal identities from Stuffville residents.

    Hope these help. Chop chop. :mrgreen:


  501. 506 Carolina Lady July 12, 2009 at 9:31 pm

    For some strange reason, I keep thinkin’ the guy who writes books on blogs and keeps trying to get everyone else should write the next blog! 😛

    😆 😆 😆


  502. 507 Savannah Guy July 12, 2009 at 10:15 pm

    Ok… Bear made a funny. So, I wrote the last lead (well it was a post that got sorta confiscated and repurposed, so it wasn’t exactly going out of my way to focus on and write anything special. Normally I’d be happy to write the next one but I’m flat out of time now. Was enjoying some rare R&R around Stuffville, yapping away, bein’ my silly verbose self and such, but it’s now back to focusing on the non-silly grind for the weeks ahead.

    Sorry for the “books” on the blog. Well, not really sorry since I do it for entertainment purposes (my own), but regrets if they annoy. That would be the opposite of my intention.

    Anyhoo, y’all have a good’un. Hope the Braves get some rest and renewed fire and hope that Mac does good and smacks a home run in the AS game.


  503. 508 Carolina Lady July 13, 2009 at 8:10 am

    SG, I sure hope you aren’t taking this seriously!!! I love reading your posts – you always have something interesting to say.

    ANNOYED????? You gotta be kidding!!!

    Now get your hind feathers right back here!!!


  504. 509 Gil in Mechanicsville July 13, 2009 at 9:56 am

    Big Bopper may be Brooks Conrad….


  505. 510 Gil in Mechanicsville July 13, 2009 at 9:59 am

    Big Flopper might just be Garrett Anderson… AKA Loaf


  506. 511 Voice of Raisins July 13, 2009 at 10:35 am

    2 very fun observations/happenings from the weekend:

    Saturday night, I bemoaned the fact that Garret Anderson was at bat with runners on. Mrs. Raisins asked me why? I answered, “Watch, he’ll ground out weakly to 2nd and loaf down the line and maybe make it half way before the throw reaches Helton.” At which point he grounded out weakly to 2nd and loafed down the line and maybe made it half way before the throw reached Helton. She just turned and looked at me… 😀

    We were listening to the game while driving yesterday. Don Sutton made the dumb comment on a fly ball, “If this one comes down, there will be a Brave under it.” Mrs. Raisins looked at me and said, “Did he say if it comes down?” We laughed, and she proceeded to rip apart his calling of the game for the rest of the afternoon. He really is not a very good play-by-play guy. That, plus he was worse than usual yesterday. Now, I am no fan of Sutton anyway, but listening to Mrs. Raisins shred his game-calling was better than the game itself. I think she would do a great play-by-play job… 😀


  507. 512 Voice of Raisins July 13, 2009 at 10:37 am

    Gee, V hasn’t posted since the 9th, hasn’t even talked about the Frenchy trade…

    OK, here is my take in the trade:



  508. 513 berigan2electricboogaloo July 13, 2009 at 10:44 am

    SG, what CL said! Just some good-natured (Natured is not a word???) ribbing! We like the book length posts, honest!


  509. 514 Savannah Guy July 13, 2009 at 11:19 am

    Now get your hind feathers right back here!!!


    Na guys… was a serious post but wasn’t any serious issue or problem or anything. If anyone knows that my posts are long it’s moi. Like James Michner only without the writing ability. 😀

    Just popped in between grindstones. It’s gonna be a week from, well not a heavenly week. Raisins is back. Hope a good time was had. Yes, Sutton is not a good play-by-play guy. Wrong accent on strikes and balls always drove me crazy. Since he’s back he thinks he needs to talk about everything but the game. Too many boring stories and too many Don recollections. Can you imagine he and Joe Morgan paired up? Yikes. Remember how he drove Skip nuts? They didn’t get along very well. Had to be separated.

    Boog and Joe aren’t any better at PBP. Talk about everything and everyone not on the field. Boog called a line drive when the hit was a flair. Etc. If they’d just pay attention to the game and call what was actually happening, when it was happening, most of their job would be done with great improvement. Add a little color here and there is all needed. Then again, not much color in either of those guys. Not many Skip’s around.

    Gotta scoot. Y’all behave.


  510. 515 berigan2electricboogaloo July 13, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    Hmmm, did everyone see this in the game notes from yesterday?????

    Mike Gonzalez was out with a sore elbow, and Rafael Soriano had pitched four times in five days, so he was to rest Sunday.


    Moylan did come in, for the 8th time in 11 days. Gee, I wonder why he wasn’t successful???


  511. 516 Voice of Raisins July 13, 2009 at 12:27 pm

    CL, you have mail.


  512. 517 Salty July 13, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    I’m writing….I’m writing…give me an hour…max! Promise…if not, then I’m a liar. And, per SG’s earlier opine, should I be guilty (of lying), then I’m still obligated to deliver. Thus…hang on…I’m coming. SG, stick your’s in your back pocket…there’ll be a need!


  513. 518 Voice of Raisins July 13, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    Ber, Gonzo has been diagnosed with tendonitis, very normal at this stage of his return from surgery.

    Moylan just sucks. What was a different look when he was a rookie is not different anymore. There is film… he isn’t all that and a bag of chips…


  514. 519 berigan2electricboogaloo July 13, 2009 at 1:09 pm

    Thanks goodness inspiration has struck V and Salty, cuz…I had nothing. Less than nothing.

    V, I guess we will have to agree to disagree on the bullpen. And as I said before, this isn’t all on Bobby. If the offense was better, we could leave starters in longer(if the braves had the lead,or the game wasn’t 2-1 braves) but still…we have many arms down there, and too few are pitching too often. Boone Logan has only been in 4 games since June 30th. Perhaps yesterday, going 2 scoreless innings, will give Bobby more confidence in him.
    From DOB on the 10th(I assume before we knew Gonzo had the elbow issue)

    …Perhaps having Gonzalez pitch on three straight days might not be such a good idea, either, at least for the time being. Because here’s the thing: Gonzalez has been lit up twice in his past six appearances, and I doubt it’s a coincidence that both times it was when he pitched for the third consecutive day.
    … He has been used an awful lot in the first half, as have the Braves’ other top relievers — Rafael Soriano, Peter Moylan and Eric O’Flaherty.
    In fact, here’s a fairly stunning stat: Only six major league relievers have pitched in more 42 games this season, and the Braves have half of them. That’s right, three of the six are Braves.
    Moylan, who had Tommy John elbow surgery 13-1/2 months ago, leads the major leagues with 47 relief appearances. The American League leaders have 42 appearances.
    Tied for second in the majors, with 45 apiece, are Gonzalez and the Mets’ Pedro Feliciano.
    Three are next in a tie fo fourth with 44 appearances, including O’Flaherty.

    Gonzo is 26 months past his surgery. Moylan is just 13 months past his.
    I just don’t know how you can say Moylan sucks. Well, his ERA does, but he has come in countless times with runners on and gotten a double play to keep the other team from big inning. And knowing how Bobby’s mind works, he’s thinking, hey, he only threw 5 pitchs that inning, somehow forgetting the 40 + pitches warming up, and then 8 more practice pitches off the mound. So, in he comes again the next day, and the next day, and the next day.
    Like I said above, 8 games in 11 days, not games, days…who pitches in that many games in that short a stretch these days??? Who throws that much a little more than a year out from Tommy John??? No one ever has.
    At this point, Hanson is the only starter that needs to be babied(Well, Javy might with the strained stomach muscle) unless the game is out of hand, they need to be going deeper into games.


  515. 521 Voice of Raisins July 13, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    Great article, B…


  516. 522 Voice of Raisins July 13, 2009 at 2:02 pm

    Obama to be in Fox broadcast booth

    ST. LOUIS — President Barack Obama will be in the Fox broadcast booth for Tuesday night’s All-Star game.

    Fox spokesman Lou D’Ermilio said Monday that Obama will join Joe Buck and Tim McCarver for the telecast from Busch Stadium but that the inning had not yet been determined.

    Obama is scheduled to throw out the ceremonial first pitch, and Cardinals first baseman Albert Pujols will be on the receiving end. –AP

    Well, then it looks like I have a 4 day All-Star break, too. I’d rather watch a rash develop.

    By the way, I don’t remember who said it, but it bears repeating. I wonder if he’ll throw Pujols a curve like he has the rest of the country…


  517. 523 berigan2electricboogaloo July 13, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    Well V, there is always the home run contest today…


  518. 524 berigan2electricboogaloo July 13, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    Diamondbacks released Tony Clark. .188 BA, but 4 HR’s and 11 RBIs in 66 AB’s. Wouldn’t y’all rather have him than Norton this year???



  519. 525 berigan2electricboogaloo July 13, 2009 at 2:13 pm

    Now the posts are being made lickity split! 😯 go figure!


  520. 526 Salty July 13, 2009 at 2:34 pm

    Sad day in the Salty household…had to let one of our Golden’s go. Couldn’t hurdle the surgery he had last week and gave the vet and my wife ‘The Look’ this morning. So, my wife and kids…and his sister said goodbye. Rest well, Woodstock!


  521. 527 berigan2electricboogaloo July 13, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    Salty, I’m very sorry to hear that!!!


  522. 528 Voice of Raisins July 13, 2009 at 3:50 pm

    That sucks, Salty. I am very, very sorry to hear it…


  523. 529 Salty July 13, 2009 at 4:29 pm

    Thanks, guys…I know all Stuff-villians can relate.

    Now…for something we cat owners have known for a very long time!



  524. 530 Carolina Lady July 13, 2009 at 5:26 pm

    Oh, man, Salty! That is heart-breaking. It is so terribly hard to have to make that decision, even when we KNOW it is better for them! You have to be tough in order to love.

    I hope they didn’t spend a lot on that cat study. Anybody who had been owned by one KNOWS who controls who!

    Well, I have an embarrassment of riches: TWO leads! Count ’em: one, two!!! I did eeny-meeny-miney-mo and Salty’s won, which will be followed by one by Raisins.


    I’ll have Salty’s up shortly.


  525. 531 Carolina Lady July 13, 2009 at 5:40 pm

    I keep my word!



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