83: Here’s Your (Braves) Rant!!!

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Like many of us long-time Braves fans, our allegiance wasn’t forged since 1991. Oh, no…and oh, dear, for otherwise, our patience would have been sapped long ago. Nope, for me, I harken (poetic, ain’t it!?!) back to the late 60’s/early 70’s, to the insufferable Milo Hamilton and the equally HamiltonMiloinsufferable Brave’s teams. But they were our Braves…and we clung to hope…cause that’s what true fans do. Milo left…we stayed through thick (you have to imagine) and thin(ner)!

The fact is, those earlier times were easier to be fans in the strictest sense. We enjoyed the game for what it was…and feasted on the occasional teaser (1982-83). The only other intrigue, ’69 aside, was Aaron’s chase of the Babe … Garber halting Rose’s streak … Horner jumping straight from college to the Braves, and homering … and Murphy’s exploits. Otherwise it’s pretty slim pickings.

But, we had Ernie, Skip, and Pete to keep us entertained…many times to the point they forgot the game, which was a good thing.

Now, we have reasonably good talent each year, but a Hall of Fame manager acting like there is one book to manage by … and it sucks! How is it we have one of the top three starting rotations in baseball, and a solid relief core, yet have three of the only six MLB pitchers with over 42 appearances this year? Please, someone … explain … pound it through this thick skull, ‘cause it ain’t computin’!

Yesterday was yet another loss squarely on Bobby’s shoulders. The seeds were sown three days ago, with his inane use of the bullpen…yet again. Hey, Bobby! Actions have consequences. The key to managing is not just for today but also for tomorrow! Hello! Anybody home?

I looked on incredulously as he pulled Medlen in the 5th…the 5th…no oneMedlenK out and a four-run lead. One reliever has already gone home with a sore elbow! If he’s gonna yank Medlen, how patient will he be with the relievers?

Typically, he wasn’t. “Boone, go get ‘em.” “Manny, loosen up!” “You too, O’Flaherty!” “Peter, you’re not tired, are ya?” “Hey, ‘New Guy’, go do a Joey Devine for us!”

Give me a freakin’ break! The bullpen is to hold the lead, when it’s time to hold a lead! Not for the manager to panic with a four-run margin…in the 5th inning. Either a player learns to work through some level of adversity – or he never learns. Hey, Medlen…you tried…prob’ly coulda done alright, ya know? As it is, good luck getting any confidence in your current role…but good luck with your new club!

Folks, don’t try to make sense of CoxFarewellthis; it’s why it’s a RANT! If there is any, it’s purely accidental – well, ‘cept for this: Bobby, it’s time to enjoy the sunsets!



440 Responses to “83: Here’s Your (Braves) Rant!!!”

  1. 1 Carolina Lady July 13, 2009 at 5:39 pm

    THANKS, Salty!!! Much appreciated!!!


  2. 2 Gil in Mechanicsville July 13, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    Get opine Salty. Can’t really disagree with you. As much as I love and respect Bobby Cox, the time likely has come for someone to pull the plug. Frank Wren does not seem to mind doing the dirty work either.

    Oh by the way, The Nats threw Manny Acta under the bus today.
    Who didn’t see that one coming?



  3. 3 Gil in Mechanicsville July 13, 2009 at 6:02 pm

    And sorry to hear about your Golden retriever, such wonderful dogs. May he meet you at the gates of heaven to be your companion forever.


  4. 4 Gil in Mechanicsville July 13, 2009 at 6:04 pm

    And two leads… guess I won’t have to slink out the side door for a few more days…


  5. 5 Salty July 13, 2009 at 6:09 pm

    May he meet you at the gates of heaven to be your companion forever.

    Doggone it, Gil! I thought I was through with tears today! You’re right…and thanks aplenty! Now, I need another kleenex!


  6. 6 berigan2electricboogaloo July 13, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    Very well put Salt man!!! I remember Milo Hamilton, but just a bit. I was probably so happy to get TBS and baseball in a non baseball city(Jacksonville Florida) I didn’t pay much attention to him.

    Hey, ‘New Guy’, go do a Joey Devine for us!
    For sure! Missed the end of the game, but when I saw the new guy came up in that situation…man….And no doubt Acosta will get sent down, or not used for 4-5 games for “failing” in the game, his 3rd straight outing. Sigh….


  7. 7 Carolina Lady July 13, 2009 at 6:51 pm


    July 8 was FBG’s birthday!!!


    Lordy mercy! FBG, I can’t tell you how embarrassed I am to have missed it!!! I throw myself on your mercy!!!

    HAPPY BIRTHDAY, waaaaaaaaay too late!!!

    How many ways are there to say, “I’m sorry!”?


  8. 8 berigan2electricboogaloo July 13, 2009 at 7:14 pm

    No!!!! You know, a voice in the back of my head thought one day, gee isn’t FBG’s birthday in July??? but I thought no way would her birthday slip by!!! 😳
    I should blame my laziness as well, wouldn’t have taken but a minute to check it out. Sorry FBG, we should have caught this! 😦


  9. 9 Gil in Mechanicsville July 13, 2009 at 7:31 pm

    Wow, it sure is crowded in this dog house….. Jennifer, a Happy and belated birthday wish to you.


  10. 10 Voice of Raisins July 13, 2009 at 8:20 pm

    I disagree with all of y’all about Bobby. I’ll leave it at that…


  11. 11 Voice of Raisins July 13, 2009 at 8:21 pm

    FBG?!? How’d we miss it??? Happy belated birthday… 😦


  12. 12 Voice of Raisins July 13, 2009 at 8:23 pm

    How long do we have to listen to Berman and his tired old schtick of “back, back, back, back”?


  13. 13 Salty July 13, 2009 at 8:39 pm

    <iI disagree with all of y’all about Bobby. I’ll leave it at that…

    That’s OK, Raisins! A rant is ‘in the moment’; I bet you can turn be back to the….whatever side Bobby’s on! LOL!

    Uh…Jennifer….whilst pouting over the Braves and feeling generally sorry for myself…well…uh…how do I … how do I say…uh….sssssorry! A very belated Happy Birthday…and I hope someone baked you the cake…and cleaned the kitchen, too! Many, many more happy birthdays, too!


  14. 14 Salty July 13, 2009 at 8:41 pm

    Raisins…it’s a very tired schtick…so old it doesn’t qualify as schtick anymore. B O R I N G . . . . !


  15. 15 Voice of Raisins July 13, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    Berman drove me from the event. I was very impressed with the power display of Nelson Cruz, but couldn’t handle the “made for TV” feel of the whole thing…

    I miss the game.


  16. 16 berigan2electricboogaloo July 13, 2009 at 10:09 pm

    I’m confused…something new and different. I was out and about..meant to tape..er, DVR the event…why is it still going on?? was it raining at 8 PM???
    I used to really like Berman…but he’s gotten very lazy as he has gotten older. He does Sunday baseball tonight sometimes…and one Sunday this year was downright embarrassing…clearly hadn’t done any show prep…didn’t know who was doing what, just clueless.


  17. 17 berigan2electricboogaloo July 13, 2009 at 11:12 pm

    Prince Fielder is a strong man! 😯 !!!


  18. 18 flbravesgirl July 13, 2009 at 11:28 pm

    😳 Thanks y’all.

    No cake, Salty. Went to Coldstone for a Peanut Butter Cup Perfection.


  19. 19 flbravesgirl July 13, 2009 at 11:32 pm

    I think Prince won not only in numbers of HRs but in distance. Wow. Must have been the lucky gravy.

    I tuned Berman out as much as possible. He, Morgan & Phillips are not exactly a winning combo in my book.


  20. 20 Voice of Raisins July 14, 2009 at 12:04 pm

    Uh… where did everybody go?


  21. 21 Salty July 14, 2009 at 12:18 pm

    Hi, Raisins…just ducked in to see all the non-activity!


  22. 22 Voice of Raisins July 14, 2009 at 1:09 pm



  23. 23 Gil in Mechanicsville July 14, 2009 at 2:25 pm

    Slinking here….


  24. 24 Gil in Mechanicsville July 14, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    Actually, one of the granddaughters is visiting so I have been practicing my “lovable” grand dad routine.

    Wearing me out …


  25. 26 Voice of Raisins July 14, 2009 at 2:44 pm

    Yeah… I’m working, too. There is an advantage to hav ing 2 computers on my desk, though. 😀


  26. 27 berigan2electricboogaloo July 14, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    hmmm, at the bottom of the page…

    … Remember that potential trade with the Braves — Holliday and Cabrera for Escobar and prospects — I mentioned a while back? I keep hearing it, but out here I’m also hearing the Braves would need the A’s to take on a big part of the money owed Holliday over the next few months.



  27. 28 Savannah Guy July 14, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    Just dropped in to see what condition…

    Actually needed some mental diversion from the rat race out there. Nice rant up there Salty! Boy, you do go way back with the Braves. Even though some of us went through all those days of less than halcyon teams, one never gets used to losing. Well, maybe they do at Wrigley, but nothing can prepare a fan for losing. No getting used to it… I hope that by the time we begin to settle into a low expectation the Braves will make a run at it again. Hopefully not when we’re all too old and senile to care.

    Very sorry to hear about your puppy. My condolences, friend. Ditto what Gil said. I’ll be meeting my old English Setter, Georgia at Heaven’s gate. Although gone for ten years I still think of her often and have many fond memories. She was quite a pal.

    FBG, I’ll join the list of very late, embarrassingly late happy birthday wishes. Especially since you’re so good about remembering. Heck, I forget mine half the time (that gets easier every year). I’ve turned 39 quite a few times now, so I can’t remember which one it is. 😆

    Make room in the doghouse for one more…


  28. 29 Voice of Raisins July 14, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    Nationals President Stan Kasten is known to maintain ties to several potential candidates from his days with the Atlanta Braves, including Ned Yost, formerly the Braves’ third base coach and most recently the Milwaukee Brewers’ manager; Jim Fregosi, who managed four different teams between 1978 and 2000 and is currently the Braves’ advance scout; and Terry Pendleton, the current Braves hitting coach, whom the Nationals interviewed for their manager’s job in 2006. — Washington Post

    Please!!! Pretty please!!!


  29. 30 Savannah Guy July 14, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    There is an advantage to hav ing 2 computers on my desk, though.

    Buy… sell… buy… sell…


  30. 31 Voice of Raisins July 14, 2009 at 4:49 pm

    Ber… I don’t see any way that a trade for Holliday would happen. First, the Braves aren’t giving up another batch of prospects for a rental ala Teixeira. Second, Holliday’s numbers outside of Coors are not nearly as impressive as his numbers there. Third, Yunel’s bat at SS is at least as valuable as Holliday’s at OF straight up. Even though the Braves do not really have any real OF’s not named Nate, OF bats are much easier to dig up than SS bats. That is someone in Oakland dreaming a nice dream…


  31. 32 Voice of Raisins July 14, 2009 at 4:50 pm

    Work stuff on one, Braves & Stuff on another. The perfect setup. 😀


  32. 33 Carolina Lady July 14, 2009 at 6:43 pm

    Grilled shrimp, anyone? Fresh, cold salad; cole slaw; hushpuppies; sweet tea, coffee?

    Oh, mercy! SO good!!!


  33. 34 Carolina Lady July 14, 2009 at 6:46 pm

    My new mantra: TP to DC!!


  34. 35 Voice of Raisins July 14, 2009 at 6:57 pm

    It took me 6 1/2 weeks to get up the motivation to fix the trampoline, and only 6 1/2 minutes to get stung by a wasp. Maybe God is trying to tell me something…


  35. 36 Carolina Lady July 14, 2009 at 7:09 pm

    Oh, man, Raisins! That HURTS!!! Put ice on it. Makes me wince just to think of it!

    I recently got an email from a cousin out in New Mexico. She and her husband have a ranch out there and she’s always outside amongst the bugs.

    She swears up and down that if she tucks a Bounty(?) drier sheet into a shirt pocket so that most of it is out in the open, that bugs don’t bother her. I tried it with mosquitoes and got mixed results. The ‘skeeters didn’t bother the area right around the sheet, but bite the daylights of areas farther away – feet, ankles, etc.

    Have no idea what effect, if any, it has on other critters!


  36. 37 Carolina Lady July 14, 2009 at 7:11 pm

    Wait a minute. She’s wearing jeans and boots. Bugs wouldn’t be biting through them! Duh, CL!!


  37. 38 Voice of Raisins July 14, 2009 at 7:20 pm

    I’ve heard that, too, but I’ve never done it. Wish I had sprayed before I messed with the trampoline, though. He tagged my left index finger, which has swollen up like a sausage. He got me right on the knuckle, and it felt like somebody drove a nail through it. I put bleach on it – old home remedy – and bagged the repair job for the day. I started itching all over about 30 minutes ago, and had to take 1/2 a Benadryl tablet.

    Goodnight everybody…


  38. 39 Voice of Raisins July 14, 2009 at 7:31 pm

    Phillies are expected to make an official announcement on Pedro tomorrow… I hope so. It may mean they are not in the mix for Roy Halladay. If they trade for Halladay, the Braves might as well become sellers and punt for this season. The ONLY thing keeping Los Bravos in any semblance of contention is the Phillies lack of pitching.


  39. 40 Voice of Raisins July 14, 2009 at 8:01 pm

    Now my thumb and middle finger and half my left hand are swollen as well. Looks like I’ll be taking the other 1/2 of the Benadryl tab.

    Good thing I’m not allergic! 😀


  40. 41 Gil in Mechanicsville July 14, 2009 at 8:11 pm

    Mean wasp in Georgia… Yellow Jackets too… Don’t fool around too long with that Raisins… if it gets worse, head for the ER…


  41. 42 Carolina Lady July 14, 2009 at 8:12 pm

    That’s sound advice, Raisins! It can turn ugly in a hurry. DON’T take any chances!!!


  42. 43 Gil in Mechanicsville July 14, 2009 at 8:21 pm

    Well, Josie and I drove the grand daughter home. It’s a good 45 minute drive each way. Now maybe the cat will come back out of hiding. Miss Kitty is the most anti-sociable cat I have ever seen. Must have been traumatized when someone dropped her off at the pound. Yes, she was a pound kitty… She definitely has trust issues.

    TP to DC eh? I suspect Riggleman will get a pass to at least the end of the season. However, my guess is they will want a person of color, not a colorful person, as the manager in DC… Fits the profile of the City… They are not really into changing that…

    My experience has been that you cannot go too easy on the rookies, of course they have been coddled all their lives so they don’t respond to tough love all that well. Perhaps their should be mandatory boot camp rather than million dollar signing bonuses. I don’t know if it will make them better ballplayers but it sure would make them into better men.


  43. 44 Voice of Raisins July 14, 2009 at 8:56 pm

    Well, I wasn’t watching because I don’t care for contrived dog and pony acts, but I understand that PresBO has such control over the media that FOX didn’t even show the pitch hit the dirt before getting to Pujols’ glove. Typical…

    I wonder if he had a teleprompter on the mound to tell him which direction to throw…


  44. 45 Savannah Guy July 14, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    Does BO ever, EVER miss a chance to be in the spotlight? Ever? Then with that stupid macho-jive-jog. Between he and McCarver, this pre-game was mostly unwatchable.

    David Wright made a bad throw? Amazin. Pujols error. Looks like the AL is gonna have batting practice tonight.

    Raisins, chew some ‘baccy til it’s all wet and stick it on the bite. Leave it there for 20 minutes and it’ll quit swelling and hurting. Works every time.


  45. 46 Savannah Guy July 14, 2009 at 9:05 pm

    I wonder if he had a teleprompter on the mound to tell him which direction to throw…


    I was wondering the same exact thing. The media will alter the video and show a perfect strike on the news tomorrow.


  46. 47 Voice of Raisins July 14, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    Thanks, SG… no terbaccy in the house, though. Benadryl has eased the itching and swelling. It has also eased my will to remain conscious…


  47. 48 Savannah Guy July 14, 2009 at 9:14 pm

    Always keep tobacco in the house in case of wasp or bee bites. And liquor for snake bites. And be sure to keep a few wasps and snakes around for special occasions. :mrgreen:


  48. 49 Savannah Guy July 14, 2009 at 9:18 pm

    Gil, we have a kitty adopted (rescued) from the pound. Now 17 of them.

    No, not cats… pounds. And he’s the young’un of the three. He grew from a tiny little thing to what looks like a Maine Coon. Big fella.


  49. 50 Savannah Guy July 14, 2009 at 9:22 pm

    CL, I’ve tried the Bounty dryer sheets. I think the hungry marsh skeeters around here wiped their mouths with it after they finished their dinner… which was me.


  50. 51 Gil in Mechanicsville July 14, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    Maine Coon… :-)… Remind me to tell you the story about the time me and a couple of other good ole boys went coon hunting one night… Mean critter they be, and highly unsportsmanlike like too. You have never known surprise until you have a really POed coon drop on your head out of a tree…..

    I think my buddies still laugh about that one. Said you are suppose to skin the coon before you wear him as a hat….


  51. 52 Carolina Lady July 14, 2009 at 9:55 pm

    SG, 😆 Them marsh skeeters are a ‘breed’ until themselves!

    Gil, gotta hear that story!! 😀


  52. 53 Voice of Raisins July 14, 2009 at 11:54 pm

    Watched the last 2 innings of the Major League Baseball American Idol game. NL looked beat before they came up to bat in the 9th. Mac… ugh… waited all that time to pop up the first pitch you saw?

    You know the last time the NL won the stinkin’ game was in 1996? Guess who the manager was…

    Well, the All Star Sham is done, and the rumor mills will be in high gear for the next 2 weeks. What a fun time to be a baseball fan! This oughtta be an interesting year…


  53. 54 flbravesgirl July 15, 2009 at 1:00 am

    VOR, you should get some Benadryl gel. We have wicked little tree-dwelling ants here that like to ambush by dropping onto unsuspecting humans. Their bites leave huge burning welts. The gel gives instant relief.

    At least the game was quick this year.


  54. 55 Salty July 15, 2009 at 7:15 am

    And liquor for snake bites.

    LOL! I’m the pre-emptive type…sip a bit of scotch for Happy Hour now and then…watch the ‘skeeters’ go ‘loopy’ after nipping me. They’re lightweights…can’t handle the alcohol! Reminds me of the tabasco commercial a few years back….poof!


  55. 56 Salty July 15, 2009 at 7:22 am

    BTW…you’re all familiar with the Bush Beans commercials and Duke, the Golden Retriever? He’s from Stockbridge, down by Ber. The ‘Duke’ of ten years ago was the uncle of our Goldens…and I’m pretty sure the current Duke is from the same breeder. Our guys would climb all over Noble (Duke’s real name) when they were pups…he just tolerated them! Kids will be kids!

    We’d all like to see your coon hat, Gil! Raisins, hope you had a nice Benadryl-induced night’s sleep…and awake to normal-sized knuckles! SG, you’re a hoot…napkins for the ‘skeeters! How considerate of you!


  56. 57 Salty July 15, 2009 at 7:27 am

    Iran has frequent plane crashes often because of bad maintenance of its aging aircraft. Tehran blames the problem in part on U.S. sanctions that prevent Iran from getting spare parts for some planes.

    Uh…that is the point of sanctions, is it not? To disrupt capabilities? But in a martyr-centric society, you just rock on as normal, placing blame on the Evil West, discounting airline tickets for the promise of a glorious afterlife! Pathetic…warped….sick….a waste of life.


  57. 58 Salty July 15, 2009 at 7:28 am

    Clearly, I’m incapable of opining. I can only rant!


  58. 59 Salty July 15, 2009 at 7:30 am

    And now, as we approach 7:30…time for a commercial break!


  59. 60 berigan2electricboogaloo July 15, 2009 at 8:23 am

    I see the opine Saltman! Sanctions seem to do something right around nothing, it seems to me. I remember with the sanctions placed on Iraq between the first and 2nd war, there were many folks saying how the U.S. was starving Iraqis, no money for medicine for babies what with the terrible sanctions. There was footage of poor babies trotted out for an all too willing press to view, and show footage of worldwide. Then, after we invade Iraq, we finally found out the same poor dead children were put on ice, and shown over and over again…made about as much news as the Food for oil scam…in other words, right next to no coverage.


  60. 61 Gil in Mechanicsville July 15, 2009 at 8:39 am

    Tehran blames the maintenance woes of its airlines in part on U.S. sanctions that prevent Iran from getting spare parts for some planes. However, Caspian Airlines – an Iranian-Russian joint venture founded in 1993 – uses Russian-made Tupolevs whose maintenance would be less impaired by American sanctions.

    In February 2006, a Russian-made TU-154 operated by Iran Airtour, which is affiliated with Iran’s national carrier, crashed during landing in Tehran, killing 29 of the 148 people on board. Another Airtour Tupolev crashed in 2002 in the mountains of western Iran, killing all 199 on board.

    The crashes have also affected Iran’s military. In December 2005, 115 people were killed when a U.S.-made C-130 plane, crashed into a 10-story building near Tehran’s Mehrabad airport. In Nov. 2007, a Russian-made Iranian military plane crashed shortly after takeoff killing 36 members of the elite Revolutionary Guards.

    Yep, poor maintenance and aging planes. The perfect storm for disaster…


  61. 62 berigan2electricboogaloo July 15, 2009 at 8:50 am

    Gil, interesting!


  62. 63 berigan2electricboogaloo July 15, 2009 at 9:16 am

    And this is interesting too…remember me seeing Alex White on video via mlb.com and saying the braves should sign him with the first pick??? I did, honest!

    Anyway, was reading A long, and interesting Peter Gammons column on signings, international mainly(funny, you can read the whole column even though it’s supposedly insider column http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=4316025&type=blogEntry ) when I saw this little tidbit.

    “The slotting system doesn’t work because teams like the Yankees, Tigers and Red Sox don’t care what the commissioner tells them,” one general manager said. “So the teams that are poorer or beholden to Bud Selig can’t draft the players they want. Look at what happened to the Pirates all those years. But now what is happening is that because of the job Selig and MLB has done with revenue sharing, there is a lot of money out there. So rather than fight with Selig, they’re throwing it around at 16-year-olds in the Dominican.”

    The Orioles, for instance, selected Hobgood because he would sign a contract according to the salary slotting recommendations set by the commissioner’s office. The Reds, with the seventh pick in the draft, and the Braves, at No. 8, passed on North Carolina pitcher Alex White because he wouldn’t sign for the figure set by the commissioner’s office. But the Orioles may go for Sano for more than $3.5 million; meanwhile, Hobgood earned $2.4 million. Go figure.

    Isn’t nice to have corporate ownership that doesn’t want Selig mad at them? 🙄


  63. 64 Salty July 15, 2009 at 9:29 am

    Gil…I noted the Caspian plane wasn’t US made. My issue is the media even bringing up the issue. Anything to foment hatred of the US around the globe. My cynicism won’t allow me to believe much of the world is seeing/hearing there was a plane crash that is a result of US sanctions preventing parts from being obtained (like I think the black market isn’t viable). And my cynicism won’t let me think that same part of world would ever question why an unsafe plane would be flown. Not in a society that relishes martyrdom.


  64. 65 berigan2electricboogaloo July 15, 2009 at 10:19 am

    From DOB…
    The Escobar rumor: While the Braves have made it known they are taking calls from teams interested in potential Yunel Escobar trades, I’m told that three’s nothing to the report out of Oakland of discussions between the teams about an Escobar-and-prospects trade for Oakland’s Matt Holliday and Orlando Cabrera.
    Not saying they haven’t talked to Oakland at some point about Holliday.
    Just saying the Braves haven’t talked to them about trading Escobar and prospects for Holliday and Cabrera, two pending free agents. That’d be a bad deal for the Braves, trading Escobar and prospects for two players they’d probably only keep for 2-1/2 months. (Holliday is a Scott Boras client, just FYI).
    Has anyone noticed that Escobar, who’s not eligible for arbitration until after the 2010 season, is hitting .293 with seven homers, 44 RBI and a .790 OPS, compared to Holliday’s we’re-not-at-Coors-anymore .276-8-43 and .792 OPS?
    GM Frank Wren has said several times that the Braves are reluctant to trade top prospects these days, like most teams are in this new era. Wren has also told me that he didn’t envision the Braves taking on a lot of new payroll via trade.
    And the A’s aren’t going to pay most of Holliday’s contract to dump him. Not when they’ve got teams like the Cardinals interested in him, teams that won’t demand the A’s pick up most of what he’s owed from his $13.5 million salary.
    By the way, talked to someone here today who told me the Cardinals are interested in Escobar. He also told me they wouldn’t trade Ryan Ludwick now.
    Same guy told me the Braves tried to trade Rafael Soriano to the Cardinals last winter for – are you ready — OF Joe Mather. And Cardinals wouldn’t do it.
    Don’t know if that’s entirely accurate, but it’s certainly possible it was proposed by the Braves, given the injury-plagued season Soriano had in 2008 and his $6.1 mill salary this season.
    Needless to say, the Cardinals wish they had done that deal, since Soriano would be their closer right now.



  65. 66 berigan2electricboogaloo July 15, 2009 at 10:38 am

    Gee, it’s way down the page, didn’t know it was still so much wordage!


  66. 67 Voice of Raisins July 15, 2009 at 10:58 am

    While the new 49-foot-tall, state-of-the-art Coca-Cola bottle won’t be officially unveiled until Thursday’s game at Turner Field, the folks at Coca-Cola and the Atlanta Braves have given us a small advance taste of what to expect this week. Braves fans already know that the new 21st century version will replace the original Coca-Cola Sky Field bottle, which was perched high above left field for the past 12 years. We’re told the new bottle will feature “a high-resolution, programmable screen serving as the bottle’s famous red label with lights that can produce millions of different colors.” The new bottle will come to life each time Atlanta’s home team hits a home run in the stadium while continuing to provide the traditional fireworks celebration for which the original bottle was known. The bottle’s exterior is made of a polycarbonate high-impact material and traced in 3,000 tri-colored LED lights, each capable of producing over 16 million different colors. The new bottle will be officially unveiled by Coca-Cola and Braves executives, including legend Hank Aaron during a special ceremony at home plate before the start of Thursday’s game against the New York Mets.While the new 49-foot-tall, state-of-the-art Coca-Cola bottle won’t be officially unveiled until Thursday’s game at Turner Field, the folks at Coca-Cola and the Atlanta Braves have given us a small advance taste of what to expect this week. Braves fans already know that the new 21st century version will replace the original Coca-Cola Sky Field bottle, which was perched high above left field for the past 12 years. We’re told the new bottle will feature “a high-resolution, programmable screen serving as the bottle’s famous red label with lights that can produce millions of different colors.” The new bottle will come to life each time Atlanta’s home team hits a home run in the stadium while continuing to provide the traditional fireworks celebration for which the original bottle was known. The bottle’s exterior is made of a polycarbonate high-impact material and traced in 3,000 tri-colored LED lights, each capable of producing over 16 million different colors. The new bottle will be officially unveiled by Coca-Cola and Braves executives, including legend Hank Aaron during a special ceremony at home plate before the start of Thursday’s game against the New York Mets. –ajc


  67. 68 Voice of Raisins July 15, 2009 at 11:00 am

    At least there will something showing some signs of life in left field…



  68. 69 Voice of Raisins July 15, 2009 at 11:03 am

    Martin Prado > Garret Anderson
    Brooks Conrad > Garret Anderson
    Casey Kotchman > Garret Anderson

    How about Kotch at 1b, Brooks Conrad at 2B and Prado in LF?


  69. 70 Savannah Guy July 15, 2009 at 11:18 am

    At least there will something showing some signs of life in left field…

    Bada bing bada boom. 😆 That was hilarious.

    Thing is, the new Coke “bottle” is not a bottle, it’s a programmable, polycarbonate, high-resolution, 3000 LED with 16 million colors… billboard TV ad. Just like the giant digital HD screen and the chopping cow… at the end of the day, they are but distractions.

    Perhaps the new generation of fans are so attention deficit, they need more than the game on the field to keep them amused.


  70. 71 berigan2electricboogaloo July 15, 2009 at 11:22 am

    V, that’s not a bad idea, but it will never happen. Loaf hits just enough to keep himself in there. Besides, you know Bobby. He’d have to hit .211 for 2 months to perhaps get kicked out of the starting lineup. But, there’s hope, he’s hitting .211 so far for July! 😛
    I could totally see Heyward playing LF for the month of September. In my fantasies.


  71. 72 berigan2electricboogaloo July 15, 2009 at 11:25 am

    hmmm, : P equals 😛 but : roll : also = 🙄 ?


  72. 73 berigan2electricboogaloo July 15, 2009 at 11:26 am

    Hey V, SG, you will jus LOVE this news story!

    Wednesday, July 15, 2009
    By Matt Cover

    House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.)
    Washington (CNSNews.com) – House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) said that job growth and economic recovery would not be harmed by a Democratic plan to increase income taxes by $540 billion to pay for their health-care reform proposal because the tax hikes would not affect small businesses.

    Hoyer also said he could not think of any small business owners who make enough money to qualify for the higher taxes.

    Speaking at his weekly press briefing on Tuesday, Hoyer said that the proposed tax was merely a surcharge on wealthy individuals, explaining that the tax increases were graduated.

    “This is a surcharge,” Hoyer said, “on people making over $280,000 as an individual, $350,000 [per year] as a couple and it’s graduated, it goes up as you reach $1 million in income.”

    Asked by CNSNews.com whether such a tax increase would affect small businesses and job creation during a recession, Hoyer said: “I don’t know many small business men or women who are making, themselves $280,000 [per year], so I’m not sure that very many small businesses are going to be affected by this.”

    Hoyer also made clear that Democrats were committed to the tax increases, saying his party was determined to pay for its massive health care overhaul–making it “deficit-neutral,” as insisted upon by President Barack Obama.

    “We are committed to paying for health care reform,” Hoyer said. “The Senate is committed to paying for health care reform and the president is committed to paying for health care reform. So, we will pay for it.”

    Republicans disagreed, saying that no one could rationally believe that a tax increase on job-creators would not effect job creation.



  73. 74 Voice of Raisins July 15, 2009 at 11:41 am

    😡 So friggin’ typical of the current regime. Ignorance is bad; arrogance is bad. Ignorance coupled with arrogance is dangerous. As a small business owner, I tremble every day at the thought of what will become of my means of earning a living. I have absolutely zero confidence that my business will even be around in 1 more year, much less until I retire. Of course, retirement will soon be a thing of the past much like the 1 income family. The tax-and-spend liberals did away with that silly notion in the 70’s. Then again, it’s all a gradual movement toward making us all totally dependent on the guv’ment for every small morsel we are meted.

    “Please, sir… I want some more.”


  74. 75 Carolina Lady July 15, 2009 at 12:08 pm

    Raisins, I hang onto this (amongst others!):

    Ps 37
    King James Bible

    1 Fret not thyself because of evildoers, neither be thou envious against the workers of iniquity.

    2 For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and wither as the green herb.

    3 Trust in the LORD, and do good; so shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed.

    4 Delight thyself also in the LORD: and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart.

    5 Commit thy way unto the LORD; trust also in him; and he shall bring it to pass.

    6 And he shall bring forth thy righteousness as the light, and thy judgment as the noonday.

    7 Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently for him: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass.

    8 Cease from anger, and forsake wrath: fret not thyself in any wise to do evil.

    9 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth.

    10 For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.

    11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.

    12 The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth.

    13 The LORD shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.

    14 The wicked have drawn out the sword, and have bent their bow, to cast down the poor and needy, and to slay such as be of upright conversation.

    15 Their sword shall enter into their own heart, and their bows shall be broken.

    16 A little that a righteous man hath is better than the riches of many wicked.

    17 For the arms of the wicked shall be broken: but the LORD upholdeth the righteous.

    18 The LORD knoweth the days of the upright: and their inheritance shall be for ever.

    19 They shall not be ashamed in the evil time: and in the days of famine they shall be satisfied.

    20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.

    21 The wicked borroweth, and payeth not again: but the righteous sheweth mercy, and giveth.

    22 For such as be blessed of him shall inherit the earth; and they that be cursed of him shall be cut off.

    23 The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD: and he delighteth in his way.

    24 Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down: for the LORD upholdeth him with his hand.

    25 I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread.

    26 He is ever merciful, and lendeth; and his seed is blessed.

    27 Depart from evil, and do good; and dwell for evermore.

    28 For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.

    29 The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.

    30 The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.

    31 The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide.

    32 The wicked watcheth the righteous, and seeketh to slay him.

    33 The LORD will not leave him in his hand, nor condemn him when he is judged.

    34 Wait on the LORD, and keep his way, and he shall exalt thee to inherit the land: when the wicked are cut off, thou shalt see it.

    35 I have seen the wicked in great power, and spreading himself like a green bay tree.

    36 Yet he passed away, and, lo, he was not: yea, I sought him, but he could not be found.

    37 Mark the perfect man, and behold the upright: for the end of that man is peace.

    38 But the transgressors shall be destroyed together: the end of the wicked shall be cut off.

    39 But the salvation of the righteous is of the LORD: he is their strength in the time of trouble.

    40 And the LORD shall help them, and deliver them: he shall deliver them from the wicked, and save them, because they trust in him.



  75. 76 Voice of Raisins July 15, 2009 at 12:17 pm

    CL, that was awesome and so timely. Thanks for the uplifting!! 😀


  76. 78 Carolina Lady July 15, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    from email –

    Subject – 506th Hero dies

    What a tribute to those hero’s of our past!

    One of the “Band of Brothers” soldiers died on June 17, 2009.

    We’re hearing a lot today about big splashy memorial services, i.e. Michael Jackson

    I want a nationwide memorial service for Darrell “Shifty” Powers.

    Shifty volunteered for the airborne in WWII and served with Easy Company of the 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, part of the 101st Airborne Infantry. If you’ve seen Band of Brothers on HBO or the History Channel, you know Shifty. His character appears in all 10 episodes, and Shifty himself is interviewed in several of them.

    I met Shifty in the Philadelphia airport several years ago. I didn’t know who he was at the time. I just saw an elderly gentleman having trouble reading his ticket. I offered to help, assured him that he was at the right gate, and noticed the “Screaming Eagle”, the symbol of the 101st Airborne, on his hat.

    Making conversation, I asked him if he’d been in the 101st Airborne or if his son was serving. He said quietly that he had been in the 101st. I thanked him for his service, and then asked him when he served, and how many jumps he made.

    Quietly and humbly, he said “Well, I guess I signed up in 1941 or so, and was in until sometime in 1945 . . . ” at which point my heart skipped.

    At that point, again, very humbly, he said “I made the 5 training jumps at Toccoa, and then jumped into Normandy . . . . do you know where Normandy is?” At this point my heart stopped.

    I told him yes, I know exactly where Normandy was, and I know what D-Day was. At that point he said “I also made a second jump into Holland, into Arnhem.” I was standing with a genuine war hero . . . . and then I realized that it was June, just after the anniversary of D-Day.

    I asked Shifty if he was on his way back from France, and he said “Yes. And it’s real sad because these days so few of the guys are left, and those that are, lots of them can’t make the trip.” My heart was in my throat and I didn’t know what to say.

    I helped Shifty get onto the plane and then realized he was back in Coach, while I was in First Class. I sent the flight attendant back to get him and said that I wanted to switch seats. When Shifty came forward, I got up out of the seat and told him I wanted him to have it, that I’d take his in coach.

    He said “No, son, you enjoy that seat. Just knowing that there are still some who remember what we did and still care is enough to make an old man very happy.” His eyes were filling up as he said it. And mine are brimming up now as I write this.

    Shifty died on June 17 after fighting cancer.

    There was no parade.

    No big event in Staples Center.

    No wall to wall, back to back, 24×7 news coverage.

    No weeping fans on television.

    And that’s not right.

    Let’s give Shifty his own Memorial Service, online, in our own quiet way.

    Link to another article w/photo:


  77. 79 Carolina Lady July 15, 2009 at 6:53 pm

    How to stop a blog! 😆


  78. 80 Savannah Guy July 15, 2009 at 7:35 pm

    Can’t get a word in edgewise around here for all the books being published. :mrgreen:


  79. 81 Savannah Guy July 15, 2009 at 7:38 pm

    But serially… good stuff CL.

    Got an email from Raisins last night. It said:

    naibwue[‘ fmndg;eh sdgerf;qo 234thrw;env’zosj nfgnrj idg surotirsjjfdwfutw weu.

    Could somebody tell me what that says? Swole up fingers?


  80. 82 Savannah Guy July 15, 2009 at 7:41 pm

    I’ll go out on a limb here and say that the NL is going to win an All-Star game this decade… maybe.

    Used to be that the AL had good hitting and NL had good pitching. Now the AL has both. How did that happen? 13 years ain’t no coincidence.


  81. 83 Savannah Guy July 15, 2009 at 7:42 pm

    T’sall I got.


  82. 84 Savannah Guy July 15, 2009 at 7:44 pm

    Maybe that prediction was a bit too optimistic. OK… sometime before the next decade ends. Yea. I’ll take bets at the window on that. 🙄


  83. 86 Gil in Mechanicsville July 15, 2009 at 9:15 pm

    Well, there was the one tie


  84. 87 Savannah Guy July 15, 2009 at 9:33 pm

    CL, I’m always happy to see three LOL’s after my initials, but which post are you referring to?

    Any word on Klobber? Miss that ‘ol Saloon-keep. Good wrist. Speaking of hands, has Raisin’s pain and swelling gone down? Speaking of pain, Has Gil’s knee quit hurting from having grand babies sit on his leg all day while bouncing them up and down playing ‘ride the horsey’ when they visited? Speaking of horses and visiting, how is FBG’s cousin and when will the Red Velvet Girl visit Stuffville again? Will she change her name to TBG now? Speaking of tigers and lions and bears, has Bear gotten over the, uh, whatever it is that makes him sleep too much or not sleep enough that gets him out of the normal blogging rotation? Speaking of rotators, has CL’s shoulder started feeling good enough to yank the cord to start the lawn mower or do hand stands?

    So many medical questions. The Braves and Stuff Health Center and Rehab Clinic is doing very good business this year.

    Maybe need a Stuffville Medical Czar?


  85. 88 Carolina Lady July 15, 2009 at 10:35 pm

    SG, those of us with REAL computers saw a link to the specific comments. But for those who do NOT have a real computer, here is the reference:

    Got an email from Raisins last night. It said:

    naibwue[’ fmndg;eh sdgerf;qo 234thrw;env’zosj nfgnrj idg surotirsjjfdwfutw weu.

    Could somebody tell me what that says? Swole up fingers?

    It was hilarious! 😆 😆 😆


  86. 89 Carolina Lady July 15, 2009 at 10:40 pm

    No word on Klobber.

    CL’s rotator cuff is getting better but not good enough to fight with JDeere. Either my brother or Aaron have taken over grass cutting for me for the time being. (I think they think it’s just easier to come work on the thing and get the grass cut than to have me call fussing about what it ISN’T doing this time!) 😆

    Gil is our medical czar. He’s got all the experience necessary. And he’s 100X better qualified than most of the ‘nominees’ a certain somebody has put into important positions in our nation’s capital!


  87. 90 flbravesgirl July 15, 2009 at 10:52 pm

    Cousin Bunny is doing very well, SG. She worked very hard rehabbing her leg.


  88. 91 flbravesgirl July 15, 2009 at 10:54 pm

    And I should be able to stop by more often starting Fri. Mom & Dad are going to Tiger for a few days & then back down to Tallahasee for Mom to attend meetings at her corporate office. So I’ll get almost a week of Dad not hogging the computer.


  89. 92 Gil in Mechanicsville July 16, 2009 at 2:27 am

    Boat? I saw a boat….


  90. 93 Gil in Mechanicsville July 16, 2009 at 2:37 am

    Now Stuff..

    Braves begin the official second half tonight. Bruhah…

    Phillies sign Pedro and immediately put him on the fifteen day DL… Sorry, but isn’t that what their problem is now? Too many old and sore armed pitchers?

    Mutts come to town with the hot hitting Jeff Francouer. I have a very bad feeling about this.

    And what of Florida, the Rodney Dangerfield of baseball teams? Still have good young arms in their rotation… Will they wilt from the heat?


  91. 94 Gil in Mechanicsville July 16, 2009 at 2:48 am

    Josie and I are going to plant 5 crepe myrtles today. I bought them for a good price and always wanted to line my drive with them. They should be very pretty in a few years… I always remember what my mom said about planting trees in the middle of summer. “Well, if you never plant it, it won’t grow”. it never seemed to make any difference when she planted something, it grew… Including me…

    Summer has returned with a vengence, it is supposed to get to 95 degrees today, or as SG says, a cool spell


  92. 95 Savannah Guy July 16, 2009 at 7:16 am

    If Francoeur continues hitting with consistency, it will point to one single, solitary problem he had while in a Braves uniform. That same problem remains… in Atlanta.

    Even so, I’ll be very surprised to see Jeff sustain this hitting “streak” (three games?). Not wishing failure on him at all… hope he does well (after the series), but his problems were too deeply seated and mechanically out of whack to come out of it quickly, much less instantly.

    Although I don’t think Terry has what it takes to be a good hitting coach or manager, TP isn’t the ultimate problem… he’s the symptom.


  93. 96 Savannah Guy July 16, 2009 at 7:30 am

    Cool spell on the coast as we speak. High of 87. Thing is, a dry 95 is more comfortable than a humid 85. Old Savannah truism: it ain’t the heat, it’s the humidity. Still, I’ll take it. If it were not for the heat, humidity and bugs, we couldn’t afford to live here.

    Love those Crape Myrtles. Thinking about planting a few myself. There’s one down the street that I try not to covet, that is about 20 feet tall. Beautiful tree.

    “Well, if you never plant it, it won’t grow”

    Love that. Mom’s and dad’s are so wise. That statement is true for trees and a metaphor for life itself.


  94. 97 Savannah Guy July 16, 2009 at 7:32 am

    FBG, glad to hear your cousin Bunny is hopping around again. Wait, uh…


  95. 98 Voice of Raisins July 16, 2009 at 10:22 am

    Nah… no more swollen fingers, but the one he got still itches. Too bad it’s not my trigger finger.


  96. 99 Voice of Raisins July 16, 2009 at 10:50 am

    You know, it really irks me that the divide between the “haves” and the “have nots” in baseball keeps getting wider. A new report out this morning suggests that the Yankees may be in the best position to acquire Roy Halladay simply based on their ability to also absorb Vernon Wells’ contract. So, for a lesser package than, say… the Cards, the Yankers can acquire the top pitcher in baseball to go with the rest of their expensive rotation, and oh… Vernon Wells to boot.

    When you consider that Frank is doing the best he can with the worst ownership in baseball, well at least in the bottom 5, you gotta give the man some credit. Think what he could do with even just $10MM more to play with…


  97. 100 Voice of Raisins July 16, 2009 at 11:00 am

    Something else to think about…

    Because of the ridiculous cost of Type A free agents, teams are now investing more $$$ into player development since they pretty much control the costs of those homegrown players for the fist 6 ML seasons. The new phenomenon that results is that teams are now WILLING to let their Type A free agents simply walk at year’s end so that they will receive the compensatory draft picks.

    How does this affect the Braves for instance? Well, you’ve heard me harp endlessly that I think one of the 2 closers will be traded given they’re both in their walk years. But maybe not so much. If one or even both leave via free agency, their FA status could net the Braves 2-4 extra picks in the draft – something that is now seen as more desirable than return players.

    Another example is Aubrey Huff of the O’s. Being a Type A FA, he’ll net the O’s 2 picks in return for his signing elsewhere for ’10. The O’s, another perpetually rebuilding team, would rather have the picks than anything Huff would likely net via trade.

    It will most certainly be an interesting swap season this year…


  98. 101 flbravesgirl July 16, 2009 at 1:05 pm

    I’ve got 2 crape myrtles here that I’m trying to figure out how to take to Tiger. One is a beautiful red that I’ve never seen for sale in any other nursery besides the now-closed one where we bought it.

    SG, I think Bunny’s heard every joke possible about her name but that’s what happens when you’re born on Easter.


  99. 102 Carolina Lady July 16, 2009 at 1:09 pm

    Salty, I just heard a Bush’s Bean commercial and remembered what you said about your pup’s bloodlines. Incredible!


  100. 103 Voice of Raisins July 16, 2009 at 1:23 pm

    Re: the crape myrtle discussion…

    I planted 6 last fall. 2 each on each side of my house, and 2 on the hard clay hill behind my house. The 4 in the nicer soil on the level sides are struggling; basically the tops all died, but the roots have sent up new shoots. The 2 planted on the hard clay 45 degree slope are flourishing. Go figure…


  101. 104 Voice of Raisins July 16, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    I have gone to using Google Chrome as my default browser. I really like it. It doesn’t have all of the add-on garbage of IE that sucks up so much of the computer’s resources, and has better graphics than Firefox. As to just being a browser, I really like it. However, the font size in this entry box on the ol’ B&S is almost microscopic… I don’t know why…


  102. 105 Gil in Mechanicsville July 16, 2009 at 2:01 pm

    Well, got the crape myrtles planted plus a new butterfly bush for the garden area of the front yard. A doggone hummingbird moth kept buzzing my ear trying to hurry me along. Talk about impatient…

    Seems as though I have to work in spurts these days. As in , work 10 minutes, rest an hour… Kind of like my factory days come to think of it…

    Raisins.. If I had an extra 10MM dollars to work with, I’ll bet you folks would be pretty amazed at what I could do too… 🙂


  103. 106 Voice of Raisins July 16, 2009 at 2:23 pm

    Good point, Gil, good point…


  104. 107 Gil in Mechanicsville July 16, 2009 at 2:28 pm

    Let’s look on the bright side, The addition of Brooks Conrad to the line up plus the subtraction of out producer Jeff Francouer should boost the run production to at least the level of mid-pack.

    I think the Braves have what they need already, it’s just the matter of if Bobby will just put his best nine on the field everyday.


  105. 109 Gil in Mechanicsville July 16, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    I’ll give Ryan Church the benifit of the doubt as two games is nothing to base an opinion on. That said, he did put some good swings on the ball. It was not the offense that lost the game Sunday against the Rockies….


  106. 110 Voice of Raisins July 16, 2009 at 3:19 pm

    I’d take Ryan Church over Francine any day. Franc has seen his day in the sun and has plateaued. He is what he is. Church will at least give you a little different dimension, and is truly only a stopgap anyway.


  107. 111 Voice of Raisins July 16, 2009 at 4:28 pm

    2night’s lineup:

    1. N8 CF
    2. Marteeeen 2B
    3. Chipper 3B
    4. Mac C
    5. Yunel SS
    6. Loaf LF
    7. MattyD RF
    8. Kotch 1B
    9. DLowe P

    Mine would be:

    1. N8 CF
    2. Marteeeen LF
    3. Chipper 3B
    4. Mac C
    5. Yunel SS
    6. MattyD RF
    7. Kotch 1B
    8. Brooks Conrad 2B
    9. DLowe P


  108. 112 berigan2electricboogaloo July 16, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    V, I hate to be fair to Liberty, but they seem a bit more willing to spend than say T/W…and the fans don’t seem to be coming out. Teams like the Reds act like they can’t take on money, and have a downright tiny budget. Cards still draw like crazy, yet they never (Well, since McGuire) make the big trade. pieces. Amazing they can ever compete. Oh yeah, that’s right they did trade J.D. Drew for some hack starter from the Braves.
    Look at the Brewers, they could win the central, and likely the NL title with Haladay, but they are Bud Selig’s cheap arse team still.

    As for draft picks. I can truly understand a team liking getting back picks, but look what can happen to a team. Brewers let Sabbathia and Sheets go, and thought they were going to have a record bounty of picks. Well, Yankees signed C.C. so they got their 25th pick and a sandwich pick(Yes, I looked it up-ain’t got a…a whatchyacallit for a brain) got nothing for Sheets. Since we sucked so much, we didn’t even give up a pick taking Lowe, right??? Or was it a sandwich pick???

    Its a tough call, braves have to think long and hard if they fall out of the race in the next few weeks. Gonzo or Soriano could get hurt, and we get nothing. We also have to offer arbitration to get the picks, what if they accept???


  109. 113 Voice of Raisins July 16, 2009 at 4:39 pm

    Only the first few picks are protected. Brewers got nothing for Sheets because ha hasn’t signed yet. When he signs, they’ll be compensated. As for Liberty being better than TW, yes they are. But that’s like saying an AMC Pacer is better than a Chevy Monza. They both suck, but I’d take the Pacer over the Monza. But you’re still buying from the “Buy Here Pay Here” lot…


  110. 114 Voice of Raisins July 16, 2009 at 4:41 pm

    JHey is on 680theFan right now. What a great interview. It’s nice to hear an athlete actually articulate complete sentences. I can’t stand the interviews where the athlete answers every question with, “Yeah, definitely…”


  111. 115 Voice of Raisins July 16, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    JHey seems as polished as he is talented. Great kid… I’m glad he belongs to Los Bravos.


  112. 116 Gil in Mechanicsville July 16, 2009 at 5:00 pm

    You mean a fellow who can put two words together without Um,eh,you know, like being inserted and without the aid of a teleprompter?

    Yes, I have heard him do a couple of interviews… I know his parents are proud.


  113. 117 berigan2electricboogaloo July 16, 2009 at 5:17 pm

    Man, wish I had heard that! I know he and Freeman are smart, read last year they were having little competitions to see who could walk the most! 😯 At A ball! 😯 😯 Anyone ever think of that with Frenchy???

    I predict(and you know how good I am at that! 🙄 ) Frenchy will get his act together…eventually. Still think it’s the wrong team for him. Did you all know Nelson Cruz is 29??? with the 22 homers this year, that makes 44 for his entire career! Ryan Ludwick is 31…and has had his 2 best seasons after turning 30. Frenchy is 25. After the Mutts drop him at the end of the season, The Rangers will no doubt pick him up, and he will be reborn. May still have to play half a season in AAA to finally get it together…I have spoken! 😉


  114. 118 Salty July 16, 2009 at 6:09 pm

    I have spoken!

    Ain’t the 1st Amendment great! LOL!


  115. 119 Savannah Guy July 16, 2009 at 6:15 pm

    Where’s Ryan Church in the lineup? Injury or something?

    Raisins, my lineup is very similar to yours, but I’d sit Anderson on the pinch bench (can one loaf on a bench?) and bring Kotchman in late innings… maybe. Depends on how well Chipper feels physically and how well Conrad is doing and how well Prado is hitting. If Prado needs to fill in for 3B or 2B or isn’t hitting, then I’d bring Kotch in for D.

    1. McLouth CF
    2. Prado 1B
    3. Chipper 3B
    4. Mac C
    5. Yunel SS
    6. Church RF
    7. Diaz LF
    8. Conrad 2B
    9. Lowe


  116. 120 Savannah Guy July 16, 2009 at 6:18 pm

    I’d take Ryan Church over Francine any day.

    Amen on Church. Ahem…


  117. 121 Savannah Guy July 16, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    If anyone ever doubted that Leon Panetta and the Dems placed their own personal power and politics over the safety and security of this country, we now have proof.

    Once more, a dangerous, toxic Red Herring is thrown out to hide and throw the attention off of the dubious activities, disastrous plans and blatant corruption of Bawwyo, Pewosi, Fwank and the other minions I won’t mention here because it would take too long. Will wonders never cease? CIA Chief… makes ya just feel all safe and secure knowing that he wanted to drag out top secret, damaging info that was not only irrelevant but totally acceptable in my book.

    Close up and personally sending terrorist leaders to their 72 virgins as soon as possible with as few casualties as possible sounds like a noble cause to me.

    Shame on Bush and Cheney for protecting this country.


  118. 122 Savannah Guy July 16, 2009 at 6:35 pm

    There I went and got all riled up…


  119. 123 Salty July 16, 2009 at 6:46 pm

    There I went and got all riled up…

    You, are not alone!


  120. 124 berigan2electricboogaloo July 16, 2009 at 8:00 pm

    Where’s Ryan Church in the lineup? Injury or something?

    He’s only hitting .184 against lefties. Of course, that’s in only 49 AB’s this year.


  121. 125 Gil in Mechanicsville July 16, 2009 at 8:32 pm

    SG.. All I can say is You Know

    Look, the DNC is even taking out ads against moderate Democrats who don’t toe the line. why should anyone expect them to be above board about anything else?

    And the ump is squeezing Lowe tonight…


  122. 126 Gil in Mechanicsville July 16, 2009 at 8:46 pm

    Dang Chipper, you are allowed more than one pitch per at bat, F7, F8, F9… Maybe he has a plane to catch or something?


  123. 127 Gil in Mechanicsville July 16, 2009 at 8:52 pm

    Man, you can put a fork in Lowe.. he’s done… I’m worn out from just watching him.


  124. 128 berigan2electricboogaloo July 16, 2009 at 9:05 pm

    Mutts are smart, no better team for Oliver Perez to make his first start against than the braves.


  125. 129 Gil in Mechanicsville July 16, 2009 at 9:15 pm

    Well, he can’t lose tonight.

    Man, I love BMac but gee he can play some bad defense..


  126. 130 Gil in Mechanicsville July 16, 2009 at 9:19 pm

    Good at bat by Conrad… I like this guy


  127. 131 Gil in Mechanicsville July 16, 2009 at 9:22 pm

    I think Nate’s bat is still on the All-star break


  128. 132 Gil in Mechanicsville July 16, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    Okay Chipper, now, time for BMac to go old school and hit a three run jack…


  129. 133 Gil in Mechanicsville July 16, 2009 at 9:35 pm



  130. 134 Gil in Mechanicsville July 16, 2009 at 9:45 pm

    Okay boys, a little insurance can’t hurt…


  131. 135 Gil in Mechanicsville July 16, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    Okay… That went well…


  132. 136 Gil in Mechanicsville July 16, 2009 at 10:09 pm

    BRAVES WIN…. :}


  133. 137 flbravesgirl July 16, 2009 at 10:36 pm

    Pretty good game. Lowe seemed uncomfortable all night though. Anybody know what was up with his leg? Cramp, maybe?

    I won’t dwell on it because I know it was best for the team… but Jeff in that ugly ol’ Mets uni just looks wrong.


  134. 138 Gil in Mechanicsville July 16, 2009 at 10:54 pm

    FBG… Josie was rooting for the Mets tonight… That was just plain wrong.. I hope Jeff gets it going just as soon as the Mets leave town.

    My feet are trying to cramp up tonight, I guess I over did it today. I suspect Lowe was experiencing cramping problems, It was really hot on the field tonight and he sweats pretty heavy anyway. Too bad the can pull the same trick they do in football and infuse a couple of liters of saline IV at halftime. Really quick re hydration and cool down.

    Okay, time for bed. Catch up with you folks in the morning…


  135. 139 Gil in Mechanicsville July 17, 2009 at 4:46 am

    “Today, we’re spending like we’re Paris Hilton, regulating like we’re Ralph Nader, nationalizing like we’re Hugo Chavez, printing money like we’re the Weimar Republic and taxing like we’re, well, the Democratic Congress.” US Sen Zell Miller


  136. 140 berigan2electricboogaloo July 17, 2009 at 5:15 am

    Gil, I really like ol Zell! I do expect he will be called a racist at any moment now for the comment, Use Gorilla Glue on Obama’s chair. Hmmm, just checked out the article again, and seeing the comments, oh yeah, he’s a racist. One comment I really thought was nice…

    DebDoesJuly 16th, 2009 4:02 pm

    Yep, it was racist and intended as such. You guys that agree with him…..the Feds are watching you…and your IP net addresses. Have a nice day.

    I’d do the eye roll emoticon, but it ain’t what it used to me.


  137. 142 Savannah Guy July 17, 2009 at 7:41 am

    Bear, would DebDoes live in Dallas by chance?

    It was disappointing that Stan Musial didn’t get his special tribute as was planned. Then again, seeing the President at least three times a day is really important. It’s all about him. Everything. He is The Chosen One.

    He will preempt every significant event in America for the next 4 years so that he can be seen by as many as possible as often as possible. He and his little elves are also planning to come down your chimney this Christmas. It won’t be the same traditional Christmas though. Unlike Santa, mere cookies and milk will not do… BO will expect a treat of your unquestioning compliance, your life savings and your freedoms.

    Your treat? He will leave under your tree a little envelope of promises and change. However, if you are a conservative or a Republican, own a gun, go to church, drive a pickup, have a nest egg or own a small business, he will not leave the envelope. Instead of promises, you will just receive change. Everybody gets change. You can believe that.

    What stage is next for the Narcissist in Chief? Academy Awards? Super Bowl. NBA finals? The Vatican? Talk show circuit? A nightly seat on the evening news to deliver his own talking points? Why not, they have teleprompters.

    He throws a baseball like a malnourished, wimpy scarecrow…


  138. 143 Savannah Guy July 17, 2009 at 7:41 am

    Well, there I go again… got all riled up.


  139. 144 Savannah Guy July 17, 2009 at 7:54 am

    Now, baseball:

    Good game last night. Nice win. Leaves me with questions. Is GA is heating up? What is Lowe gonna do in August? IV between innings? Has Chipper lost focus or something? Does Mac have a defensive coach? Did Bobby learn anything or make the connection last night between adequate rest and successful relief pitching?

    French looked odd in a Mets uniform. That had to be really strange for he and the Braves last night. As expected, I didn’t see anything to indicate his approach at the plate has changed.


  140. 145 Savannah Guy July 17, 2009 at 9:21 am

    Tonight the number 31, the Accountant, the Surgeon, the Mad Dog, the first round HOF lock Greg Maddux celebrates his induction into the Braves HOF as they retire his number.

    Very cool…

    Hope they do it justice on pre-game TV. Hopefully you-know-who won’t preempt the whole affair with a visit to Atlanta to hog the camera for another ceremonial throwing of the first pitch. (eye roll here)

    🙄 (another eye roll here for the new eye roll)


  141. 146 Gil in Mechanicsville July 17, 2009 at 10:21 am

    Folks, it just goes to show you how dense that I am, I never connected the suggested the use of Gorilla Glue on the Dear Leader’s chair as a raciest comment. After all, I have use that particular product myself. Silly me, to think the race pimps of the world would not take offense at a perceived slur. Now, if he had used the term Chimp Glue I might have made the connection.

    And the Fed’s tracking our IP addresses, LOL, like they haven’t in the past?


  142. 147 Gil in Mechanicsville July 17, 2009 at 10:29 am

    Now, having said all that and since we are already being tailed by the thought police, I could have made the connection if the words gorilla and Michelle had been used together in the same sentence, after all, there is a strong resemblance… After all, if all the politically correct crowd are to be believed and Darwinism is the one true path, one could make a case….


  143. 148 Carolina Lady July 17, 2009 at 11:29 am

    This is mandatory reading/viewing! Anybody who can watch this with dry eyes is a lot stronger than I am! (‘Course, I’m the queen of softies so that wouldn’t be much to crow about!)


    Killed in action the week before, the body of Sergeant First Class John C. Beale was returned to Falcon Field in Peachtree City, Georgia, just south of Atlanta, on June 11, 2009 .

    The Henry County Police Department escorted the procession to the funeral home in McDonough , Georgia . A simple notice in local papers indicated the road route to be taken and the approximate time.

    Nowadays one can be led to believe that America no longer respects honor and no longer honors sacrifice outside the military. Be it known that there are many places in this land where people still recognize the courage and impact of total self-sacrifice. Georgia remains one of those graceful places.

    The link below is a short travelogue of that day’s remarkable and painful journey. But only watch this if you wish to have some of your faith in people restored. Please share widely.

    “Sergeant First Class John C Beale Comes Home”


  144. 149 Gil in Mechanicsville July 17, 2009 at 11:48 am

    A really good piece by Carroll Rogers of the AJC. Gives a bit of insight to Greg Maddux and his pitching philosophy.



  145. 150 berigan2electricboogaloo July 17, 2009 at 11:51 am

    CL, that video….wow!
    And it isn’t very important, but when the procession turned left at the light, where there was a fire engine across the way…is about 2 miles from my house. It does the heart good to see that kind of turnout, doesn’t it??? 🙂


  146. 151 berigan2electricboogaloo July 17, 2009 at 11:51 am

    And SG… 7:41 am post was great!


  147. 152 flbravesgirl July 17, 2009 at 12:04 pm

    Braves MLB site says they are carrying both the HOF luncheon & the pre-game number retirement ceremony live.


  148. 153 flbravesgirl July 17, 2009 at 12:06 pm

    SG, I’m starting to become concerned about your blood pressure. Deep breath, my dear.


  149. 154 flbravesgirl July 17, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    CL, that is one of the reasons I’m so anxious to move to Georgia. There are still kind, courteous, respectful people there. This is no longer the case here in Florida & it bothers me greatly. The transplants have taken over & they seem to have never been taught manners or respect for others. Even in Atlanta, people are so much nicer than they are here.


  150. 155 Voice of Raisins July 17, 2009 at 6:36 pm

    2night’s lineup:

    1. N8 CF
    2. Marteeeen 2B
    3. Chipper 3B
    4. Mac C
    5. Loaf LF
    6. Esco SS
    7. Ryan Church RF (he needs a nickname)
    8. Kotch 1B
    9. JJ P

    I still think Brooks Conrad oughtta be in there. The lineup with him at 2B and Prado at 1B won few games, if I’m not mistaken…


  151. 156 Voice of Raisins July 17, 2009 at 6:37 pm

    … er, won A few games…

    This tiny font size is killin’ me. 😡


  152. 157 berigan2electricboogaloo July 17, 2009 at 8:18 pm

    V, RC???


  153. 158 berigan2electricboogaloo July 17, 2009 at 8:19 pm

    If he was a pitcher, you could give him the nic, Von Ryan’s express.


  154. 159 Carolina Lady July 17, 2009 at 8:54 pm

    Bobby will probably come up with the tired old “Ryno.”

    Walter Cronkite dead at age 92.


  155. 160 Gil in Mechanicsville July 17, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    YeeHaw… Braves hitting like the uh… Braves…

    This team is getting better.

    Nice crowd tonight too. Question for you guys who still visit across the street occasionally, do the Mets trolls still hang out there?


  156. 161 Gil in Mechanicsville July 17, 2009 at 9:13 pm

    Well, you could call him “Crunch”…

    And sad about “Uncle” Walter… Was once the guy everyone trusted. In his later years, not so much…


  157. 163 Carolina Lady July 17, 2009 at 9:36 pm

    And for those who have NOT looked at this video, git your own self back up there and look at it! The man died for you. Give him ten minutes!



  158. 164 Savannah Guy July 17, 2009 at 9:49 pm

    Just got in… what a busy day. Just got finished. Whew. Whatever. Who cares. ‘Nuff ’bout that.

    GREAT BASEBALL DAY!!! Maddux!!! Glad I DVR’ed the pre-game on SS and the game on now. A good friend of mine was at the luncheon today with Maddux, Murphy, Knucksie, Justice, Chipper, on and on. Sat at Cox’s table. Don’t worry… I didn’t say anything too ‘inside Braves baseballish’. 😆

    Braves, 10 zip on Mets. Gotta love that. I’ll savor every bit of it tomorrow. FF thru commercials and such.

    Gotta eat. Later y’all…

    Oh, FBG, BP is fine. It’s best the higher it gets, like runs, right? :mrgreen:


  159. 165 Gil in Mechanicsville July 17, 2009 at 10:05 pm

    Yes CL, pretty impressive.

    Yes, the Braves are getting arm weary they are swinging the bats so much…


  160. 166 Gil in Mechanicsville July 17, 2009 at 10:08 pm

    Hummm, that must be the Mets’ plan, wear the Braves down by giving up runs. Like rope-a-dope.. but different…


  161. 167 Savannah Guy July 17, 2009 at 10:28 pm

    Question for you guys who still visit across the street occasionally, do the Mets trolls still hang out there?

    Rarely go over there and when I do and read a few posts and get the gist of the rest, trolls would be an improvement.

    CL, haven’t had time to watch yet, but will in the morning. I think I know the story but haven’t seen that video.

    CL, that is one of the reasons I’m so anxious to move to Georgia. There are still kind, courteous, respectful people there.

    FBG, it’s not Georgia, it’s rural or smaller town or community that’s got nice people that don’t get caught up in the big city rat race and superficiality as a way of life. More to the point, it’s the people living near you. More to the point, it’s you. Only kind, courteous people meet kind, courteous people and appreciate them for what they are.

    Brave win, Braves win!!! Not only win, but crush. I like it when that happens.


  162. 168 flbravesgirl July 17, 2009 at 10:56 pm

    That was fun!

    SG, thanks, but I’m not finding many courteous people down here.


  163. 169 Gil in Mechanicsville July 18, 2009 at 5:01 am

    FBG.. I am remembering what my ex-wife, who was from Detroit, told me about people from the north vs the south. She said that folks from the north were rude and obnoxious but didn’t mean anything personal by it. However, if someone form the south was the same, they indeed meant it personally as they were by nature courteous.

    I’ll stop now before I get into a serious rant…


  164. 170 Salty July 18, 2009 at 7:47 am

    CL…saw the video…tears in my coffee…least I could do. Sgt Beale is a member of the most exclusive democracy!


  165. 171 Savannah Guy July 18, 2009 at 11:01 am

    Lovely video CL. Touch tribute to a hero. Wow.


  166. 172 Savannah Guy July 18, 2009 at 11:04 am

    Got to thinkin’ ‘bout “nice” being a regional thing. Whether Detroit, Tampa, Walnut Ridge or Topeka, it’s all good. Set me off on a meandering journey to see if there is a connection between region and personality and such. With a little time to kill and an imagination too far out for my own good sometimes, I explored. But instead of regional (that’s been trod upon for centuries), I kept going back, back, back (not in a Berman-like way, mind you) into older, more prehistoric and geologic in search for clues.

    North and South. East and West. Love’em all but prefer living right here in the south. Not ‘Turner South’… but My South. But we don’t have the beautiful mountains here on the coast. Wish we did but I’m very satisfied with the southern coastline. Its beauty is subtle, with gently sloping beaches and graceful marshes.

    The most beautiful coastlines in the country… no, make that… the most topographically diverse and beautiful coastline would be the windswept, rocky shore of Massachusetts and Maine. The coast of northern California and up to Vancouver is most intensely picturesque

    Maybe the coastline appearance is an influence or at least an indicator of the personality of its inhabitants, at least those that have resided in the area for more than a decade at least. No doubt there is a subtle physical and mental evolution derived from and influenced by our environs.

    The hard-edged, violent, craggy northeast with the constant intrusion of chilling winter storms are brutal on its land and it’s people. The ‘Nor Easters rudely smack you in the face and send you deep within the protective walls you’ve erected around yourself. When the wind subsides, those emerging are prone to crankiness. It shows over time.

    Then you have the contrasting west coast from Big Sur north to Canada, with its intensely beautiful and steep cliffs, liberal amounts of open area and with lofty heights of mountains and hills overlooking the peaceful ocean From those lofty heights it may seem, if you happen to live there, that you are as high above the Pacific as you are the rest of the continent (and people) to your east. Figures.

    Then you have the gentle, sloping, sandy beaches of the southern coast that are not intruded upon by the cliffs and rocks created by the earth’s violent separation from the African Plate. Our Pangaean continental split began in the south and rotated clockwise before drifting away, meaning the south has had a longer time free than in the north of our continent. The violence of the past is gone, washed away with the rain, wind and ocean waves. The cliffs have gently migrated, easing into the Coastal Plains from Virginia, south of the Mason Dixon Line to Texas, east of the mountains and out to the continental shelf. Oh, I left out north of Virginia there, but you understand. Perhaps the geologists were wrong about New Jersey being part of, well, us.

    No, we have very few harsh, rocky intrusions in our landscape. The hills, cliffs and stones of the mountains to our west and north have turned to sand. It’s our sand… it is where we started, but we high-tailed it long ago. Like their mountainous landscape, those folks are just too abrupt up there and out there. The Southern Coastal Plain has simply had longer to mellow than our Paleozoic and Precambrian neighbors to the north and west. No matter your origin, it’s good to be southern and late Cretaceous, don’t you think? Makes for a nicer, kinder, gentler mix.

    Our northern and western critics might say, while they were exploding upward and making tectonic mountains out of molehills that they have a closer kinship with their Pangaean roots, and that without them and their intelligence and sediment, we in the southern coastal plain wouldn’t even exist.

    Contrary to those snooty westerners and northerners from the highlands of the mother ship Pangaea, we spent much of our geologic existence under the ocean. That’s fine… the ocean is nice. That makes us younger. And Cretaceous. And Paleogeneish. And smoother. And nicer. We took the best and left the rest, uh, up there in Yankee land and out there on the left coast. And we weren’t covered in glaciers like they were. That’s why they are so cold natured and haughty. So there.

    Anyhoo, we southerner plain’ers got our heads above water in the lovely, spirited Neogene days, although we’ve since given back some that we gained in our expansion eastward toward Atlantis. That’s fine too… that’s just the way we are, sharing and all. The fish need a shelf, no? Hey, we may be prone to occasional erosion, but no harm done. We’re continental you might say, give and take. Birds get a little, bee’s get a little and hogs get turned into bacon.

    So, the moral to this aimlessly drifting and seemingly never ending story is, the people in the south aren’t necessarily nicer, they just seem that way, which happens to take care of at least half of the equation of “being nice”… actions speaking louder than words and all. Yet, like our modern day northern and western cousins, we derive some influence and personality from our ancient natural environs.

    Unlike our Holocene cousins but exactly like the tectonic plates and continental shifting, drifting and geologic evolution of the southern coastal plains and the terrain we call home, as through the sands of time, our people have had a long, long time to meander here (much like this post) and pretty much smooth out.

    Bringing all this closer to home, the old-timers of Savannah society want to know whom your “people” are, meaning… did you come on the Mayflower or are you ‘common’. The old society geezers and the younger generations of Savannah do have one thing in common: they all want to know what you drink.

    Must be that Cretaceous, under the ocean thing, or maybe on account of that recent unpleasantness we call the intrusion of Pangaean aggression.

    Oh, and speaking of drinks… Klobber, make that a Rooskie.


  167. 173 Carolina Lady July 18, 2009 at 11:12 am

    That’s fine too… that’s just the way we are, sharing and all.

    SG, we’re nicer because we were TAUGHT to be nice by mamas, gran’mamas, aunts, teachers, and the ladies next door. If ya messed up, your mama’s telephone would ring with the news.

    When you got home, your mama would ’bout skin you alive. And when your Daddy got home, you’d probably git it agin!

    THAT’S why!

    Now. What has changed between THOSE days and THESE??? 😦


  168. 174 Savannah Guy July 18, 2009 at 11:25 am

    What has changed between THOSE days and THESE???

    Because American has been dumbed down after 40 years of liberal guv’ment schools and such. Most of the big city, newer generations are suffering from entitlement and bloated opinions of themselves.

    So, to answer your question… they are dumb as rocks. Must be an old tectonic shifting thing. They shifted but they never got the drift right. 😆


  169. 175 Savannah Guy July 18, 2009 at 11:29 am

    Love to weave those analogies and metaphors together until they are as tangled as the monofilament line on an poorly thrown baitcaster.

    It’s a properly set drag and thumb thing. 😆


  170. 176 Savannah Guy July 18, 2009 at 11:35 am

    CL, agreed on the Mammas and Pappas, gransd, aunts, uncles making us nicer people and such. Heck, if we weren’t nice we got the crap beat out of us. 😆

    Like pruning, nice must always include some not so nice discipline.


  171. 177 Carolina Lady July 18, 2009 at 11:51 am


    He’s working 50-60 hrs @ week. Sends greetings: “… tell the crew I send my best.”

    Please keep his Dad in your prayers!!!


  172. 178 Salty July 18, 2009 at 12:14 pm

    …and an imagination too far out for my own good sometimes,…

    SG, you have a ‘Family Circus’ imagination. More specifically…you’re like Billy! Even your thoughts can’t simply cross the street! But for sure, they’re entertaining as the dickens…keep ’em flowing!


  173. 179 flbravesgirl July 18, 2009 at 12:21 pm

    Should I be concerned that I understood SG’s epic? 😉

    CL, I completely agree with your 11:12. People don’t seem to know how to raise children anymore.


  174. 180 Salty July 18, 2009 at 12:24 pm

    This is lengthy; could have linked, but it’s one of the most powerful sermons I’ve ever read…and the words ring so very true to this day, in my view. With respect to Sgt. Beale and his fallen comrades through the history of his nation:

    Here lie men who loved America because their ancestors generations ago helped in her founding, and other men who loved her with equal passion because they themselves or their own fathers escaped from oppression to her blessed shores. Here lie officers and men, Negroes and whites, rich men and poor . . . together. Here are Protestants, Catholics, and Jews together. Here no man prefers another because of his faith or despises him because of his color. Here there are no quotas of how many from each group are admitted or allowed. Among these men, there is no discrimination. No prejudices. No hatred. Theirs is the highest and purest democracy …

    Whosoever of us lifts his hand in hate against a brother, or who thinks himself superior to those who happen to be in the minority, makes of this ceremony and the bloody sacrifice it commemorates, an empty, hollow mockery. To this, then, as our solemn duty, sacred duty do we the living now dedicate ourselves: to the right of Protestants, Catholics, and Jews, of white men and Negroes alike, to enjoy the democracy for which all of them have here paid the price …

    We here solemnly swear that this shall not be in vain. Out of this and from the suffering and sorrow of those who mourn this will come, we promise, the birth of a new freedom for the sons of men everywhere.


  175. 181 flbravesgirl July 18, 2009 at 12:25 pm

    And the Savannah old-timers might want to sit down when they ask who my “people” are, it would take a while. Got ancestors that came here in Colonial days & some that only arrived a couple of generations ago.


  176. 182 Salty July 18, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    The sermon was given by Rabbi Roland Gittelsohn, a Marine Corps chaplain, on Iwo Jima, after the fighting had ended. It was intended as part of a non-denominational ceremony, but prejudice and bigotry intervened. Nonetheless, the sermon made its rounds.

    In his autobiography, Gittelsohn reflected, “I have often wondered whether anyone would ever have heard of my Iwo Jima sermon had it not been for the bigoted attempt to ban it.”



  177. 183 flbravesgirl July 18, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    A standing ovation for Rabbi Gittelsohn, for having the courage to articulate the way things should be.


  178. 184 berigan2electricboogaloo July 18, 2009 at 12:55 pm

    Thanks for posting that Salty!
    FBG posting during daylight hours??? Just when I was thinking she was surely a vampire! 😉


  179. 185 Carolina Lady July 18, 2009 at 1:12 pm

    Salty, all above superior posts! Thanks!!

    re: Billy+SG: nailed it! 😆 Love ‘Family Circus’!


  180. 186 flbravesgirl July 18, 2009 at 1:14 pm

    🙄 Ber. I told you, Dad’s not here to hog the ‘puter.

    I liked this line in Bowman’s game story : “While pelting Mets starter Mike Pelfrey like a pinata…”


  181. 187 flbravesgirl July 18, 2009 at 1:15 pm

    Huh? roll = 🙄 now?


  182. 188 Voice of Raisins July 18, 2009 at 1:56 pm






  183. 189 Voice of Raisins July 18, 2009 at 2:04 pm

    2nd Test:

    🙂 🙂 🙂 smile
    😀 😀 😀 grin
    😦 😦 😦 sad
    :surprise: 😮 😮 surprise
    😯 😯 😯 shock
    😕 😕 😕 ???
    😎 8) 😎 cool
    😡 😡 😡 mad
    😛 😛 😛 razz
    😐 :neutral
    😉 😉 😉 wink
    😆 lol
    😳 oops
    😥 cry
    👿 evil
    😈 twisted
    🙄 roll
    ❗ !
    ❓ ?
    💡 idea
    ➡ arrow
    :mrgreen: mrgreen


  184. 190 Voice of Raisins July 18, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    random test:



  185. 191 Voice of Raisins July 18, 2009 at 2:11 pm



  186. 192 Voice of Raisins July 18, 2009 at 2:30 pm

    Wasn’t that informative?


  187. 193 Voice of Raisins July 18, 2009 at 2:48 pm

    I did learn a new one, though: :\


  188. 195 Savannah Guy July 18, 2009 at 4:18 pm

    Is there a emoticon that shows displeasure at the new emoticons whilst whining about not having the old ones?


  189. 196 Savannah Guy July 18, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    Is there an emoticon that shows displeasure at the new emoticons whilst whining about not having the old ones?


  190. 197 Carolina Lady July 18, 2009 at 4:21 pm

    SG, I believe it is 😛


  191. 198 Savannah Guy July 18, 2009 at 4:21 pm

    Random test…

    :cringe, eyeroll, frown, tear, whaaaa:


  192. 199 Savannah Guy July 18, 2009 at 4:22 pm

    well, guess that didn’t work. 😆


  193. 200 Carolina Lady July 18, 2009 at 4:22 pm

    For those of us in the hinterlands, the game is on FOX…


  194. 201 Savannah Guy July 18, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    Prado doubles off of Santana. When the Braves are hitting they sure hit some doubles.


  195. 202 Savannah Guy July 18, 2009 at 4:37 pm

    Two posts? Made a correction too late I guess.

    Salty, I’ve copied the sermon and pasted it in a ‘keeper’ document. Good find.

    Is Dudley Do-Right calling the game? 😛


  196. 203 berigan2electricboogaloo July 18, 2009 at 4:41 pm

    I like how razz and roll are now the same 😛 Kinda knew FBG would try to roll me, but it didn’t work!~ 😉


  197. 204 Voice of Raisins July 18, 2009 at 5:41 pm

    David “The Second Coming” Wright is such a whiney-hiney.

    Is it just me, or does this seem alot like a Mets broadcast?


  198. 205 Savannah Guy July 18, 2009 at 5:42 pm

    Braves make me scratch my head sometimes. Fundamental lapses all the time.

    Kawakami at bat, 2 runners on by walk, Sanatana can’t find the strike zone, count 0-2 and K bunts at a high ball three. Making matters worse, he bunts it right at Santana who turns and throws out Diaz at third.

    Very stupid mistake. Did K miss the ‘take’ sign by Snitker? Was he even given the take sign? Did K forget where he was and not even look for a sign by Snitker?

    That may have been the game-changing play right there. Dumb.


  199. 206 Voice of Raisins July 18, 2009 at 6:46 pm

    Uh… Bobby’s pi$$ed at Yunel… :\


  200. 207 Carolina Lady July 18, 2009 at 6:48 pm

    It’s NOT a Mets game??


  201. 208 Voice of Raisins July 18, 2009 at 7:06 pm

    😡 😡 😡 😡


  202. 209 Voice of Raisins July 18, 2009 at 7:08 pm

    😡 😡


  203. 210 Voice of Raisins July 18, 2009 at 7:08 pm



  204. 211 berigan2electricboogaloo July 18, 2009 at 9:46 pm

    Well, V had less angry similies as he went along, that’s a good thing, right???
    So, give the dope, the 411…what did Yunel do??? I was out at a car cruise, instead of watching this disaster (I did see some of the the early innings, Mutts looked incredibly weak, not even AAA team) wha happen????


  205. 212 flbravesgirl July 18, 2009 at 10:16 pm

    The early innings were the only ones worth watching, Ber. It got ugly late.


  206. 213 Savannah Guy July 19, 2009 at 12:26 pm

    Sanatana can’t find the strike zone, count 0-2 and K bunts at a high ball three.

    Whoops. I pulled a Suttonesque count there. The count was 2-0 on Kawakami, not 0-2. Now hopefully my 5:42 post make some sense at least.

    Speaking of Sutton, on our way to dinner last night I listened to the game on the radio. Two innings of Sutton (did you know he was a HOF’er?. He talked about everything, I mean everuything BUT the game. In between his wanderings about potato salad, Hall of Fame, booth banter, with the occasional quickly spurted out, “Diaz lines out to Francoeur”. Does the man think we listen in so that we can hear about his opinions on everything? I don’t. I want to see the game through the words of the play by play. With him you would think every game was a rain delay.

    Two and a half innings went by without anyone giving the score. I finally just turned it off in disgust. Good thing I had a nice dinner with wife and friends and missed the game… I was already miffed.

    So… what did happen with Yunel? Cox was mad at him? Somebody has to post the story. Please…


  207. 214 flbravesgirl July 19, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    Sutton drives me crazy too, SG ( & I had 6 weeks of him this spring!). He tends to wander around way too much.

    Yunel appeared to have missed the sign for a hit & run play. Bobby looked less than pleased.


  208. 215 Savannah Guy July 19, 2009 at 12:59 pm

    OK, I was too curious about the Yunel/Cox situation to wait, so I got off my lazy duff (so to speak) and went to the Braves site to get their PR spin then across the river. Finding news is almost impossible over there, just vents and idiocy for the most part. There must only be about three or five folks over there that are even worth reading.

    As far as Yunel goes, seems he missed a call on a Hit and run. Bobby was mad. As you’d expect, there was opposite and diverse blog comments, rarely articulate enough to make sense of. Some blamed Yunel for not swinging, some blamed Cox for even giving the H&R sign, some were just mad at the universe. Here’s a coherent post from Mr. Baseball I clipped that further describes the situation:

    Cox is mucho upset with Escobar for missing the hit and run sign. Then again, most observant Braves’ fans are equally upset with Cox for his repeated failings at strategerie.

    He’s already wasted 2 of his 5 bench players to pinch run. If the Braves manage to send the game to extras, all they’ll have left is Norton. Why he used Conrad to run for Anderson earlier is befuddling, especially with Jurrjens available and Anderson representing the go-ahead run, not the tying run. There is a difference, especially in the 7th inning.

    Given Cox’s history, the likelihood that the Braves will try to trade Escobar is a definite possibility. Cox does not appreciate having to deal with players who offend his old school sensibilities. Even though the Braves have no viable replacement for Yunel, that won’t prevent a deal if Cox is PO’d enough.

    Any time the Braves are involved in close games, Cox’s inadequacies as a strategist become a major liability. Sometimes the Braves can overcome them. Most times they can’t.

    Now, I didn’t cherry pick a post that happens to align with my perspective on the way Bobby does things, which this one does… I clipped it because it was one of, if not the only post that actually described what happened on the field.


  209. 216 Savannah Guy July 19, 2009 at 1:02 pm

    Sounds to me that the h&r call was a bad one. Also read that the pitch that Yunel took was way up and inside.

    Also read that Braves left the bases loaded in consecutive innings in a one run game.



  210. 217 berigan2electricboogaloo July 19, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    SG, after reading what I am going to post, I want to see Yunel traded…and Bobby to retire, posthaste! 😉

    Escobar was given a sign telling him to swing at a 2-and-0 pitch from right-hander Sean Green, who had entered the game after Chipper Jones led off the inning with a homer and Brian McCann singled.

    With Hernandez pinch-running for McCann, Escobar took the pitch from Green, and Hernandez was thrown out at second. The pitch was inside, and Escobar moved back to keep it from hitting his hands.

    TV cameras caught Cox’s expression after the pitch, and he did not look pleased.

    When asked about the incident after the game, Cox said, “It was a little inside, three or four inches. … I think he thought it was way inside. It was inside a little bit.”

    It wasn’t certain whether Escobar missed the sign or just didn’t think he could do anything with the pitch, because he didn’t answer a question about it. With the hit-and-run sign on, it’s up to the hitter to swing if possible, in order to at least make it more difficult for the catcher to throw out the runner.

    One Braves player said that the team’s signs can be confusing at times, but ultimately it is the player’s responsibility to make sure he understands a sign that’s given.

    Escobar, who won’t do interviews in English, was asked through relief pitcher Mike Gonzalez to clarify whether he saw the sign or didn’t think there was anything he could do with the inside pitch.

    Gonzalez said that Escobar replied, “Talk to me when I get three hits.”


  211. 218 flbravesgirl July 19, 2009 at 2:50 pm

    I really want to root for Yunel because I think he’s very talented but he’s starting to annoy me.


  212. 219 berigan2electricboogaloo July 19, 2009 at 3:18 pm

    6 PM gametime…how come??? Not in Colorado. :/


  213. 220 flbravesgirl July 19, 2009 at 3:28 pm

    ESPN, Ber. I think they have their ESPYs or something on later so they bumped the gametime up.


  214. 221 Voice of Raisins July 19, 2009 at 5:02 pm

    Quick reply before I head back out the door…

    Yes, the pitch was inside, but not so much that he could not have at least tried to swing. He did not. The replays showed him look at Snitker, look at the dugout, look back at Snitker… it was plain that he had no idea what the signal was. Erik Karros was quick to point out that it is the hitter’s responsibility to make sure he knows what is called. Yunel had no clue. I love him on the field, but his answer, through Gonzo, was gutless.

    As for Bobby, he would have been lambasted if he had not called for the hit and run for being to conservative. He is lambasted for calling it because it failed. He’d be lambasted by many regardless of what is or is not called. Those who do not like him will find any and all to criticize. Likewise, those who defend him won’t see any deficiencies. Me? I think it falls somewhere in between, but I’ll still stick with the proven warrior.


  215. 222 berigan2electricboogaloo July 19, 2009 at 5:19 pm

    FBG, ah yes…a completely made up, uninteresting awards show…lets hope the braves and mutts play 20 innings! 😈
    Shoot, probably switch to another one of their 100’s of stations.
    V, I agree more blame lies with Yunel than Bobby this time,(More for Yunel’s comments after the game) but a very hard pitch to even attempt to swing at, from the replays I saw on baseball tonight…from last night., that I watched today. If anyone else hadn’t swung, I don’t think it would have rated.


  216. 223 flbravesgirl July 19, 2009 at 5:30 pm

    They’d better not play 20, Ber. Bad for the bullpen.

    Of course the Braves just had to change their signs but Yunel should have called time & talked to Snitker if he didn’t understand.


  217. 224 Gil in Mechanicsville July 19, 2009 at 6:36 pm

    I think the Mets will be happy if they can just get out of Atlanta without any more players having to go through Grady Memorial…


  218. 225 Savannah Guy July 19, 2009 at 7:44 pm

    Yunel and Bobby… two wrongs don’t make a right. Bobby’s mistake of calling a hit & run there was a mistake in my opinion, but it’s arguable on both sides by reasonable people. Given the situation, I’d have him swing away (at only a good pitch to drive) and wouldn’t have called a H&R. Bobby’s mistake, if he made one there, is strategic. Bobby’s second mistake was to glare and throw a hissy.

    Yunel’s mistake, by not swinging after being given the signal (command) to swing, is fundamental. His second mistake was to make those smartarse comments.

    My mistake is having an opinion on the situation without having all the facts straight. My second mistake was wasting my valuable time posting said opinion. 😆

    Or… did Snitker use special Spanish hand signals for Yunel? If not, it’s all his fault.


  219. 227 flbravesgirl July 19, 2009 at 8:05 pm

    Maybe we should gripe at Yunel every day.


  220. 228 Savannah Guy July 19, 2009 at 8:09 pm

    Yunel is really in trouble now. That two-run drive was supposed to go to left field. 😆

    What’s he got now, 5 ribbies? I guess he’ll wait on Gonzo to come talk to him after this game.


  221. 229 Savannah Guy July 19, 2009 at 8:28 pm

    Maybe we should gripe at Yunel every day.

    I’ve been doing that with a few of our guys for quite a few years. Sometimes it works and sometimes they play bad despite my griping. After many years, Mrs. Guy finally got used to me talking to the TV… griping, screaming, rooting, clapping, coaching, calling pitches and such. Not constantly mind you, but on occasion or when the game’s on the line.

    I’m pretty sure I helped the Braves win those 14 straight but ever since I got this new cable box back in 2005 they just don’t hear me any more. Must not have enough broadband or sumpin’. 😆


  222. 230 Gil in Mechanicsville July 19, 2009 at 8:30 pm

    Worse announcers in baseball… Jon Miller.. Tim McCarver, take your pick, both are and idiots.


  223. 231 Carolina Lady July 19, 2009 at 9:00 pm

    BLITHERING and idiots!

    I missed the game today.

    Reason: about 5′, white hair, glasses, hearing aid who wanted to watch something else.



  224. 232 flbravesgirl July 19, 2009 at 9:09 pm

    Miller-Morgan-Phillips, the triumvirate of idiocy.


  225. 233 flbravesgirl July 19, 2009 at 9:11 pm

    But I still think McCarver is worst of all.


  226. 234 Gil in Mechanicsville July 19, 2009 at 9:12 pm

    CL, you mean there was actually something else to watch?


  227. 235 flbravesgirl July 19, 2009 at 9:18 pm

    CL, I’ve been there. When Poppa was in the house the TV was on what he wanted to watch. Fortunately he & Nany were Braves fans; unfortunately I couldn’t stand watching with him. You wanna talk about yelling, griping, screaming & cussing ? 😯


  228. 236 Carolina Lady July 19, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    Miller-Morgan-Phillips, the triumvirate of idiocy 😆

    Gil, when you have dementia, it doesn’t make a whole lot of difference WHAT you’re watching. You don’t understand most of it anyway! However, it seems today was the day to watch preachers from 9:00 am non-stop to 8:30 pm.

    Now, I enjoy hearing good preaching more than the average person, I guess, but even I had to resort to my headphones with the volume turned up this afternoon! 😯


  229. 237 flbravesgirl July 19, 2009 at 9:38 pm

    Poppa wore a hearing aid too but still couldn’t hear the TV a lot of the time. We’d have a hard time not laughing when he’d stop on the Spanish channel.


  230. 238 Carolina Lady July 20, 2009 at 10:29 am


    May it be a blessed one!!

    (FBG, my face is still red! I’m so sorry!!)


  231. 239 flbravesgirl July 20, 2009 at 11:36 am

    Happy Birthday 10Paul!

    CL, don’t worry about it. I’m kinda past the point of making a big fuss over my birthday. Besides, seems like almost everyone I know was late this year. Must’ve been a widespread case of bithday-wishes-memory-loss.


  232. 240 Carolina Lady July 20, 2009 at 12:24 pm

    Thanks, FBG! When my computer’s hard drive failed and had to be replaced recently, I lost the little program that kept track of all my birthday and anniversary stuff! 😡


  233. 241 Gil in Mechanicsville July 20, 2009 at 12:39 pm

    Hey TennP… Big ole birthday wish to ya….


  234. 242 Gil in Mechanicsville July 20, 2009 at 12:41 pm

    Have the Braves turned a corner? Playing much better baseball these days. Does anyone else see the correlation of that with Prado playing full time instead of Kelly besides me?


  235. 243 Voice of Raisins July 20, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    Happy BD 10Paul!!!

    Gil, correlation re KJ? You bet… just think if we could get a similar upgrade in production in RF…


  236. 244 Voice of Raisins July 20, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    A respectable lady went into the pharmacy, walked up to the pharmacist, looked straight into his eyes, and said, “I would like to buy some cyanide.”

    The pharmacist asked, “Why in the world do you need cyanide?”

    The lady replied, “I need it to poison my husband.”

    The pharmacist’s eyes got big and he exclaimed, “Lord have mercy!
    I can’t give you cyanide to kill your husband! That’s against the law! I’ll lose my license! They’ll throw both of us in jail!
    All kinds of bad things will happen! Absolutely not! You CANNOT have any cyanide!”

    The lady reached into her purse and pulled out a picture of her husband in bed with the pharmacist’s wife.

    The pharmacist looked at the picture and replied, “Well now, that’s different. You didn’t tell me you had a prescription.”



  237. 245 flbravesgirl July 20, 2009 at 1:23 pm

    😆 VOR


  238. 246 flbravesgirl July 20, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    Absolutely, Gil. Stronger defense up the middle & much more consistent offense (well, KJ was consistently bad this year). I don’t know how long Prado can keep this going. Maybe he was an everyday player in a utility player’s guise all along.


  239. 247 Gil in Mechanicsville July 20, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    Crapola… lost that excellent post… Was at least worthy of a Kelly…

    To recap: Kelly may not have been that good to start with, Prado may have benefited from waiting,
    possible TP effect on Nate McLough.. 0-16 since the break…


  240. 248 Voice of Raisins July 20, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    I am banking on N8 going through a slump. Which, if you consider the Braves are 3-1 in the slump period, is not terrible. When he breaks out, hopefully against the G-men, the Braves will be all the much better.


  241. 249 Gil in Mechanicsville July 20, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    A bit of a rainy dreary day here. Funny, no one predicted rain…

    Interesting weekend for me. Josie and I attended an auction Saturday. Silly me, I should have known better than to attend a gun auction on a Saturday. Too many alpha males and folks looking to buy firearms without papers…. Agh… It is not that I could not afford the prices, I just choose to say no…

    As part of the deal making with Miss Josie (she does not really care for gun auctions) I promised her a stop by a couple of wineries and a visit to he favorite Italian restaurant (which happens to be in Harrisonburg, VA) about a two hour drive and on the other side of the mountain.

    The wine tasting went okay but I don’t think they like my comparison of their products as being somewhere between Boones’ Farm and Mad Dog 20/20… Wine snobs just don’t seem to have much of a sense of humor.

    Anyway, the drive across the mountain was pretty but alas, her restaurant was closed for their annual vacation… Great disappointment for Josie in that one. Fortunately, she had purchased a case of vino at our previous stop. Unfortunately, she had no cork screw…Did you know that a complimentary cork screw was not included. Ah well, just another thing to add to my survival kit.

    Oh well, the drive was nice and the company was good. it’s always good for a “flatlander” like me to visit the hills, even the modest ones we have here in Virginia.


  242. 250 Gil in Mechanicsville July 20, 2009 at 5:15 pm

    And baseball… Ever notice that Matt Diaz, bless his heart, will swing at pitches 12 inches out of the strike zone from his chin to his ankles but take a pitch belt high across the plate? Just saying….


  243. 251 Gil in Mechanicsville July 20, 2009 at 5:16 pm

    And it is raining ever harder here… I just don’t understand how they missed this one.


  244. 252 flbravesgirl July 20, 2009 at 6:09 pm

    They should put up a graphic when Matty’s up to bat : “Do not try this at home” . Don’t want any Little Leaguers getting ideas.


  245. 253 berigan2electricboogaloo July 20, 2009 at 7:00 pm

    Diaz looks worse than about anyone when he misses a ball. But he hits well in spite of that.
    Gil, sounds like you still had some fun over the weekend!


  246. 254 Gil in Mechanicsville July 20, 2009 at 7:10 pm

    Berigan, I am just trying to beat the inevitable inflationary spiral, or as Joe Biden says, you need to spend money to keep from going bankrupt. Hey, who am I, a mere bluecollar guy to argue with the leaders of the free world? 🙂


  247. 255 Gil in Mechanicsville July 20, 2009 at 7:15 pm

    Okay, game on Sports South. New centerfield camera angle…I like it..


  248. 256 Gil in Mechanicsville July 20, 2009 at 7:17 pm

    New haircut for Hanson too… Looks good…


  249. 257 Gil in Mechanicsville July 20, 2009 at 7:20 pm

    I must say, I am impressed by the poise of this rookie.


  250. 258 Gil in Mechanicsville July 20, 2009 at 8:31 pm

    Okay folks, bottom of the fifth. Tommy up by a run. Nice bomb by Chipper.


  251. 259 Gil in Mechanicsville July 20, 2009 at 9:45 pm

    YeeHaw…. BLOWOUT….


  252. 260 berigan2electricboogaloo July 20, 2009 at 9:49 pm

    Man, I am getting…perturbed. EVERY time there is an offensive outburst, I am out and about. Glad they are scoring though! 🙂


  253. 261 Gil in Mechanicsville July 20, 2009 at 10:04 pm

    Okay, Braves are playing good baseball right now… Keep it going guys.


  254. 262 Carolina Lady July 20, 2009 at 10:17 pm

    Berigan, you are hereby forbidden to watch another game! Gil will tell you about it afterward!


  255. 263 flbravesgirl July 20, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    Woohoo!!!! See how fun it is when you get hits, boys?

    Nice job by Tommy working through a few ticklish spots to get the win.


  256. 264 flbravesgirl July 20, 2009 at 10:25 pm

    OK, who’s in charge of taking up a collection to buy Ber a DVR so he can watch the games after they’re over?


  257. 265 Carolina Lady July 20, 2009 at 10:42 pm

    We assigned that to you, FBG! 😀


  258. 266 flbravesgirl July 20, 2009 at 10:55 pm

    Better get someone a little more technologically advanced than me to pick out the DVR.


  259. 267 berigan2electricboogaloo July 20, 2009 at 11:07 pm

    I have a DVR, (thats how I see baseball tonight every night-never know when they will run it, or what channel it will be on) never had a need to DVR games…till now! 😉


  260. 268 flbravesgirl July 20, 2009 at 11:15 pm

    OK, who’s in charge of programming Ber’s DVR to record the Braves & keeping him away from home ’til every game is over?


  261. 269 Gil in Mechanicsville July 21, 2009 at 10:10 am

    Good morning all, where is everyone?


  262. 270 Voice of Raisins July 21, 2009 at 10:28 am



  263. 271 Voice of Raisins July 21, 2009 at 10:29 am

    I’ve had this avatar for a while now. It may be a record for me. I think I must change it…


  264. 272 Carolina Lady July 21, 2009 at 11:07 am

    Obama is Surprised Vets do not want to pay their own Medical Expenses!

    Here’s his response when he backed-off from his decision to let the military pay for their war injuries. What an empty headed person he is.

    Bad press, including major mockery of the plan by comedian Jon Stewart, led to President Obama abandoning his proposal to require veterans’ private health insurance to cover the estimated $540 million annual cost to the federal government of treatment for injuries to military personnel received during their tours on active duty.

    The President admitted that he was puzzled by the magnitude of the opposition to his proposal. “Look, it’s an all volunteer force,” Obama complained. “Nobody made these guys go to war. They had to have known and accepted the risks. Now they whine about bearing the costs of their choice? It doesn’t compute.”

    “I thought these were people who were proud to sacrifice for their country,” Obama continued. “I wasn’t asking for blood âm“ just money. With the country facing the worst financial crisis in its history, I’d have thought that the patriotic thing to do would be to try to help reduce the nation’s deficit. I guess I underestimated the selfishness of some of my fellow Americans.”

    Typical of an individual who never served a day of his life on active duty. What more could one expect from a politician at the public trough?


  265. 273 Salty July 21, 2009 at 11:27 am

    “Look, it’s an all volunteer force,” Obama complained. “Nobody made these guys go to war. They had to have known and accepted the risks. Now they whine about bearing the costs of their choice? It doesn’t compute.” “I thought these were people who were proud to sacrifice for their country,” Obama continued.

    Are these quotes legit? On the ‘up and up’? If so, this goes down as singularly the most clueless and disrespectful comment ever made by a President. Selfish…selfish? They ‘volunteer’ to let you, Mr. President put them in harm’s way, and you want to call them selfish? What about the multitude of others who didn’t ‘volunteer’?

    Seriously…are these quotes legit…did he really, truly…honestly say these things? Is there a person in uniform, or a veteran of any ilk who can support this man? What a travesty! What an embarrassment! This is leadership? This is change?


  266. 274 flbravesgirl July 21, 2009 at 11:49 am

    😯 I hope those quotes are not real because I would hate to think that any President, regardless of what I think of him personally, would say something so asinine. Seriously I have a hard time believing that this passed muster with his writers/PR people.


  267. 275 Voice of Raisins July 21, 2009 at 11:53 am

    I am a guy who is surprised by very little, but those quotes just blow me away. Maybe not even so much that he said it, because I know he believes it, but the fact that he so openly showed his true beliefs…

    I am so ashamed for him…

    Please, God, oh please let the light come ON for some of the blind followers.


  268. 276 Voice of Raisins July 21, 2009 at 11:58 am

    And now for something as ridiulous as our President’s views on healthcare:

    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha


  269. 277 Voice of Raisins July 21, 2009 at 12:02 pm

    Just who forecasts your weather?


  270. 278 Salty July 21, 2009 at 12:18 pm

    Honestly…are the quotes real? What is the source? If they are…everyone should see/hear…absorb the words. It is an outrage, pure and simple. Anyone…ANYONE who would defend him over this, is equally irresponsible and immoral…yes, immoral.

    Until I see the source…I’ll simply stew. If true…I’d sent them to every politician in the country…at any level, with the question: Do you agree? If not a flat out ‘No’, then you go.

    Now, that’s a rant! LOL!


  271. 279 Salty July 21, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    After I ‘send’, they will be considered ‘sent’! Sheesh!


  272. 280 flbravesgirl July 21, 2009 at 1:16 pm

    Now, Braves… Y’all see that Yunel was named Player of the Week?


  273. 281 Salty July 21, 2009 at 1:31 pm

    Yunel’s got game! He may have some issues, but when he plays, he goes hard. ‘Course…that’s just my view! I think he stays…he should. Until you hear his teammates complain, there’s nothing much to say.


  274. 282 Carolina Lady July 21, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    Quoting from snopes.com:

    “This item is another entry difficult to classify as either “true” or “false”. It is false in the literal sense that PresBO did not utter the words attributed to him above.

    HOWEVER, if the same sentiments had been cast in the third person (rather than a faux quote from PresBO), they couldn’t be dismissed as completely false. They’re an expression of the outrage many people felt about a very real issue, a plan the Obama administration floated in March 2009 to save an estimated $540 million per year by requiring veterans with private medical insurance to use that insurance to cover the costs of treatment for combat injuries and other service-related health problems. (With few exceptions, veterans are currently responsible only for health care costs incurred for reasons unrelated to their military service.) Among other issues, the proposal rasied the prospect that injured or ill veterans might find it more difficult to obtain employment in the private sector if employer-funded private insurance had to pay for their health care.

    The plan was heavily criticized by many veterans and veterans’ groups, especially those who “believe that upon enlistment, the government pledged lifetime ocverage for injuries sustained on the battlefield or elsewhere.” And, as reported in the Boston Herald, it seemed to many observers that the Obama Administration had been caught completely unaware that its proposal would meet with such vehement and outspoken opposition.

    “However, may said that they were suprised by the ham-handedness of the private insurance effort because it seemed that no one in the White House or the VA took into consideration how veterans would react – or Congress, where several members called the plan “dead on arrival.”

    A Newsday article summed up many Americans’ feelings about the matter in opining that:
    “This load-shedding device would have saved the government about $540 million. But whoever proposed it to Ovama was politically tone-deaf.

    “To Obama’s credit, he appears to have backed away from this insensitive proposal. But veterans still can’t figure out how he let someone in the administration persuade him to try it. Frankly, neither can we.”

    As we’ve noted, satire that hits too close to its mark is often mistaken for real news. In this case, it appears that the Obama administration took such a large misstep that it left some people wondering whether the president might really have been callous enough to offer the response attributed to him above.


    I do know that an attempt was made to make the wounded in hospitals PAY FOR THEIR MEALS. Not sure whether it came to pass or not.


  275. 283 Voice of Raisins July 21, 2009 at 2:05 pm

    I think he stays…he should.

    I think he stays, too. I really don’t see Frank doing alot more unless someone blows him away with an offer. I can see him shopping KJ, who hit 2 homers and had 7 RBI last night in Gwinnett.

    LF seems to be waking up offensively, and 2B has had a complete makeover. RF remains to be seen, but the platoon of MattyD and Church seems to have potential.

    1b remains mystery to me. Did y’all know Kotch is working on a 12 game hitting streak? Yet, the power numbers are never gonna be there. With no huge power elsewhere, the deficiency at 1B glares brightly.

    They”ll have to figure out what to do with 6 starters, though, around the end of August. Of course, these days you could probably pass a high salary pitcher through waivers and still trade him prio to the August 31 waiver deadline.

    Unless we tank severely over the next 10 days, I think Frank stands pat. Then again… who knows. The Phils and their actions over the next 10 days also plays into it somewhat, but I’ll have more to say about that at a later time.


  276. 284 Salty July 21, 2009 at 3:08 pm

    With no huge power elsewhere, the deficiency at 1B glares brightly.

    I’m all for Kotchman at first until someone comes along from within the system, or via a ‘knock ’em over’ trade. If the other positions get infused with power, I’ll take our ‘poor man’s Grace’ at first. Solid, solid glove! A hundred RBI’s and 20 errors doesn’t net out so well!


  277. 285 flbravesgirl July 21, 2009 at 4:05 pm

    So he didn’t actually say that. That’s what I figured.


  278. 286 Gil in Mechanicsville July 21, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    I am willing to go with the current team. As far as making a move because Philly is making a move, well, those don’t always turn out so well do they?

    A productive bat in right field plus one at second have made a big difference. Infante will be returning soon as well as a couple of arms. Folks, I think it’s going to be very interesting.

    Anyone else remember the Braves when they chased down the Giants back in 1993? Wow, those were exciting times… 🙂


  279. 287 berigan2electricboogaloo July 21, 2009 at 4:08 pm

    So, I can’t watch today I guess, but for sure I can watch Lincicum pitch tomorrow, right? 😉


  280. 288 flbravesgirl July 21, 2009 at 4:11 pm

    I’m fine with Kotchman. Where is the prototypical power-hitting 1B supposed to come from? Teams that have one aren’t giving them up unless Wren does something insane like trade Hanson & Heyward. Let’s see how Freddie Freeman comes along over the next year or so.


  281. 289 Gil in Mechanicsville July 21, 2009 at 4:12 pm

    Nope… Berigan, you are officially the turkey underwear watch… Unless you can come up with something to break the spell….


  282. 290 flbravesgirl July 21, 2009 at 4:17 pm

    😯 Does this mean we’re taking up a collection to buy Ber turkey underwear?!? You boys are on your own with this one.


  283. 291 Voice of Raisins July 21, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    For what it’s worth…

    According to the Chicago Tribune, the Braves had scouts in attendance for the White Sox game last night against Tampa Bay.

    I am guessing JV isn’t in that discussion anywhere. 😀


  284. 292 Salty July 21, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    So he didn’t actually say that. That’s what I figured.

    Verbatim…apparently not. I do recall the brouhaha from March when he proposed veterans use their own insurance. That, alone, was stupid enough…and, more importantly, insensitive. The day we want to compare volunteering for the military in the same light as volunteering for the PTA will be a sad day. But, to your point, FBG, we don’t need to credit or discredit anyone with anything less than what they are truly accountable.

    Now…so everyone understands my sensitivity to this issue, not that you asked, or care (but, hey, it’s a blog so I’ll exercise my 1st Amendment rights! LOL!), I am a strong believer in fighting for one’s rights, and strongly respect the sacrifices made by our forefathers. I can’t simply view that lightly…not having visited the Arizona Memorial at Pearl Harbor, walked the grounds of the American Cemetery in Normandy, or watched a lifelong friend grapple with the scars of Viet Nam.

    Now, my eldest son joins the Army, specifically Special Forces, on October 5th. He’s long discussed it, or the IDF (Israeli Defense Force…as Jews, he has that right…that’s why you oft-times here of Americans dying in the conflicts there), and made up his mind…despite being 20 hours from his college graduation. He said it mattered not one whit…he wasn’t marketing in the military…that would come later. As well, my recently graduated other son (U of Oregon) has eyes on the Marines Officer Candidate School. Am I proud? Yes? Scared…not yet, but will live in fear of the day a car pulls in the driveway. More proud than scared, though…as they’re living their choice.

    What’s all this rambling mean? I want to know that as a nation we are squarely, unequivocally behind the women (ladies always first!) and men of our armed forces. They are the fabric of a lasting legacy of sacrifice and commitment to the ideals of this country…ideals much of the world has aspired to. Is there another nation that has given more, in blood and money, than the USA? Are there other nation’s cemeteries here…or elsewhere, on a scale such as Normandy…or Anzio…or the Pacific?

    I can never, ever forget…and in good faith and conscious…I can’t let others! There will be no revisions made to the history of sacrifice made by this nation, either by its military, or by the civilian populace that has supported its endeavors. That can never be allowed.

    Time to slide off the soapbox! I appreciate your indulgence…it’s therapeutic for me! LOL!


  285. 293 Salty July 21, 2009 at 6:09 pm

    Let’s go Braves! Let’s go Braves! Let’s go Braves!


  286. 294 Carolina Lady July 21, 2009 at 6:15 pm

    Salty, 6:06 – salute, my friend!


  287. 295 flbravesgirl July 21, 2009 at 6:36 pm

    OK, so ExtraInnings has never shown even a second of Braves pre- or post-game …but with the Giants feed we get an extra half-hour to talk about Rich Aurilia’s right big toe.


  288. 296 flbravesgirl July 21, 2009 at 7:02 pm

    I think whoever penned that “satirical” story owes the President a public apology. And before anyone jumps on me, I would feel that way if it was President Bush or any other past Pres. who had such “quotes” attributed to them. I’m very offended by the use of the word selfishness regarding our veterans. I have 3 uncles & a great-uncle who are/were proud Navy veterans. Another uncle by marriage had a lengthy Air Force career. The only thing that kept my dad out of Vietnam was a severe allergy to penicillin. My aunt & uncle’s nephew ( who I’ve known since his birth) just joined the Army fresh from his high school graduation. So it upsets me that someone had the nerve to spread that around the Internet as fact.

    OK, rant over. Back to your regular scheduled blogging.


  289. 297 Salty July 21, 2009 at 7:04 pm

    Rich Aurelia hasn’t retired yet? So…why do you get the Giant’s feed and not the Braves in Florida? Exactly how does this whole ‘feed’ thing work? Certainly not with logic! LOL! Does that mean you get the game, though…even if it is Jon Miller (full disclosure: I actually like him! I’ll duck now!)?

    BTW…keep Ber away from the television. We’ll know, Ber, we’ll know if you’re watching. Take one for Stuff-ville…stay away! LOL!


  290. 298 Voice of Raisins July 21, 2009 at 7:08 pm



  291. 299 Salty July 21, 2009 at 7:08 pm

    Satire sucks…occasionally funny, though. But not in this instance. It’s the same with the peep-hole video made of the ESPN correspondent…terrible invasion of privacy. Crazy world.

    FBG…you know, more often than not, our differences are seldom as glaring as our agreements are strong! I think I said that right! I tried! LOL!


  292. 300 flbravesgirl July 21, 2009 at 7:40 pm

    I don’t know how it works. Seems totally random. Miller does radio. They have 2 dopey guys on TV, one of whom has the stoned-surfer voice going. I keep waiting for him to say ” Duuuuude”.


  293. 301 Salty July 21, 2009 at 8:19 pm

    That would be Krukow…used to pitch for the Yankees. I think he’s the one who swapped wives with one of the other pitchers, back in the late 60’s/early 70’s! Bad weekend at Woodstock, I believe! LOL!


  294. 302 Salty July 21, 2009 at 8:26 pm

    Frenchy’s batting clean-up for the Mets tonight…and has another hit. Good for him. Still…tells you how slim the Mets pickings are. Tsk, tsk, tsk…seriously…I’m being sincere!


  295. 303 Gil in Mechanicsville July 21, 2009 at 9:12 pm

    I feel about a sorry for the Mets as they did for the Braves last year when 3/5 of the Braves rotation went down


  296. 304 flbravesgirl July 21, 2009 at 10:14 pm

    😯 Oookaay. So maybe he sounds stoned cause he is?

    At least they were complimentary. Lots of praise for Yunel & Casey and Mac was their hero for picking himself up & staying in the game after that foul tip… uh.. below the belt.


  297. 305 flbravesgirl July 21, 2009 at 11:17 pm

    The feed thing… Most of the time you get the home team’s broadcast. So I usually get SportSouth & FSNSouth when the Braves are at home. For some reason my cable company does not show Peachtree games. I know that people in other areas with ExtraInnings get Peachtree & Hillbilly told me he gets the home & away feed for every game everyday. Don’t know what the reasoning is, particularly since TW owns Peachtree/TBS and Brighthouse cable which is what I’ve got.


  298. 306 berigan2electricboogaloo July 22, 2009 at 12:55 am

    Our Friend Dale(with ALS) came over around 5 PM, long deprived of any computer time… so, talked to him while he was online, then watched yesterdays baseball tonight(some truly amazing web gems I hope you all got to see-and Frenchy went 3-4) then went to chick-fil-a, where I had a nearly raw chicken sandwich, believe it or not 😯 Waitress had never ever seen one come out like that…anyway, after the late dinner, turned on the tv, couldn’t find the game…went to espn, and found out the braves won yet again, another big offensive outburst! 😯 😯 😯
    Never have I been such a lucky charm before! Too bad I can’t watch though…. 😕


  299. 307 berigan2electricboogaloo July 22, 2009 at 1:04 am

    Salty, clearly you have done a great job raising some great men! 🙂
    FBG, agree with much of your 7:02 post.
    and the ol’ emoticons are back!!! 😀


  300. 308 Gil in Mechanicsville July 22, 2009 at 5:37 am

    Good morning ya’ll, Yep, exciting game last night. Well, for a Braves fan anyway… I watched a bit of the Phillies game after the conclusion of the Atlanta/San Francisco tilt. Those Phils are tough. Only thing the Braves can do is just win their own games and see how it plays out.

    I thought I saw why Nate is not doing so well. He really flinched after one swing last night. Evidently his back is hurting. That will do it…. I don’t think Infante can get back soon enough.

    Salty, I salute you in raising two outstanding young men. They certainly have my support and admiration.


  301. 309 berigan2electricboogaloo July 22, 2009 at 6:38 am

    Gil, nothing better than sleeping 4-5 hours, then waking up…is there? 😛 Well, perhaps sleeping 6-7 hours straight, but that’s a myth, like the Loch Ness monster….

    Gil, didn’t know Nate was having back issues. Church can play center though, right???


  302. 310 Savannah Guy July 22, 2009 at 6:45 am

    Wow, the streets of Stuffville have been busy. Good to see and nice to have good stuff to read here. Gotta say, Stuffville has some mighty fine residents… the best. Coming here is like walking into the Cheers bar, only different.

    Salty, congrats on raising two fine lads. Please keep us posted on their progress and Godspeed to both of them. As far as our kids being a reflection of ourselves, you’ve done yourself proud. Two chips off the old salt block. 😀

    one of whom has the stoned-surfer voice going.

    Uh, far out, man. 😆

    Watched the Braves again last night and boy are they clicking now. Hopefully they’ll keep it up and the Phillies will eventually come down to earth so we can make a race out’a this thing. Good thing we have so many games with them in the second half. We match up well against those guys so far. Could make up some games in a hurry.

    Started to post last night during the game but after many hours working on the ‘puter lately my eyes needed a break and my brain was mush. The big win was just what the doc ordered for this overworked mushbrain.

    Now, as a little salute to WP, I’ll throw a one of my favorite little buddies up… :mrgreen:

    Welcome back old smilies and thanks WP for returning them. Like Kotter, only different…


  303. 311 Savannah Guy July 22, 2009 at 6:51 am

    Bear, one word for you: DVR.

    Well, it’s not really a word, but still…


  304. 312 Savannah Guy July 22, 2009 at 7:19 am

    Here’s hoping the Phils don’t get Halliday. 😯


  305. 313 Voice of Raisins July 22, 2009 at 7:38 am

    Yep, Salty, a couple of very fine young’uns there. I am proud of them for you, and proud of you too for raising the boys to have a respect for God and country.

    Oh, yeah – and the Braves are OK too… but that’s just a diversion, right?

    Maybe Bud Selig can toss this gem out to the Players Association at the next collective bargaining: Y’all can keep salary arbitration, but you have to cover all of your own medical expenses and meals. That’d fly, wouldn’t it?

    And I suppose the Disabled List designations will have to be amended… I mean, you can’t exactly get a guy back in just 15 days if he has to wait 45 just to see a doctor, right? And of it’s just diagnostic… Oy! I ramble…

    😀 (Welcome back, big grinning dude!)


  306. 314 Voice of Raisins July 22, 2009 at 7:43 am

    SG, with the Philthies refusing to lose anymore, I am refocusing my eyes on the Wild Card… that said, I don’t think the Phils will give up the bounty that Ricciardi will demand for Halladay. They are unfortunately too protective of their own home grown talent.


  307. 315 berigan2electricboogaloo July 22, 2009 at 8:48 am

    They are unfortunately too protective of their own home grown talent
    Gosh V, is it really too bad they won’t trade away the talent for him??? With Halladay(Why do I think of the Madonna song every time I see his name now?) able to have a 2.73 ERA in the AL east, I would really hate to see him on their staff.
    I forget why exactly John Kruk was talking about the 1993 Phils except to point out how they were really hoping the Phils would get Randy Johnson, and when they didn’t it took some wind out of their sails. And even though they got to the W.S., they lost to the Blue Jays..and how they probably would have won it all that year, and perhaps the next with Johnson…
    Pedro scares me much less! 🙂


  308. 316 berigan2electricboogaloo July 22, 2009 at 8:50 am

    I think you are correct in that the wildcard is the place to be. Of course, the Astros are now on a roll, and Peter Gammons said last night that they have a .500 or better second half record…for 12 straight years! 😯


  309. 317 Savannah Guy July 22, 2009 at 10:31 am

    with the Philthies refusing to lose anymore, I am refocusing my eyes on the Wild Card

    Raisins, thing is, this year we either beat the Phils and get a division title or we most likely lose the WC. Why? Because we have so many games with them coming up. The Braves control their own destiny this year. If the Phils beat us up, we lose ground on everything.

    Second half work is cut out for the Braves, with the Fish and the Hot Pretzels. Do or die. Second place in the division probably won’t earn a WC. Possible but not likely.

    Phillies will fall to earth soon… watch.


  310. 318 flbravesgirl July 22, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    😯 ooh! 😀 aah! Yay! The good emoticons are back! 😎


  311. 319 flbravesgirl July 22, 2009 at 12:49 pm

    I have to go with SG. We’ve got quite a few games left with the Phils so there’s potential to make up ground there head-to-head. It’s a little tougher to catch up in the WC. Just win, boys & it will all take care of itself.


  312. 320 Gil in Mechanicsville July 22, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    Ber, I wasn’t aware of Nate’s back issues either until I saw him flinch and grimace after a swing last night. It just makes since now as to why his power was suddenly gone.

    Yes, it’s tough getting out of the big hole the Braves put themselves into but there are lots of games yet to be played. Can’t worry about the Phils now, can only worry about the Braves. If they keep winning at their current pace (is that possible) they will be playing in October.


  313. 321 flbravesgirl July 22, 2009 at 1:58 pm

    According to Bowman, Nate’s intending to play tonight.

    Looks like the Red Sox picked up LaRoche.


  314. 322 Salty July 22, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    😳 Unintended consequences! I are ‘and idiot’, folks. 🙄

    Mentioning my sons was to reinforce my point about the military…specifically, the lack of respect for sacrifice made through the years, and my belief it shouldn’t be forgotten. FBG and I were both perturbed by it, as well as embellished remarks attributed to POTUS. FBG has a newly-minted HS grad joining as well…and I’m sure you all share similar experiences. Your comments are appreciated, but I am embarrassed that they looked self-serving…not the intent at all.

    Glad the ‘real’ emoticons are back…feel like a muzzle has been removed! :mrgreen:


  315. 323 Carolina Lady July 22, 2009 at 4:11 pm

    Salty, we knew that. But we also saw the sincerity and honesty of your feelings for your two precious sons; we also saw the ‘real Americans’ in your sons’ determination to serve this nation. They are the Americans we take to our hearts. Your sons, our heroes.

    So, yes! A salute to all three of you! From the heart.

    Don’t know about anybody else, but you and they WILL be in my prayers! Know that!


  316. 324 Savannah Guy July 22, 2009 at 4:41 pm

    Salty, don’t be silly.

    No, wait… go ahead and be silly. 😆


  317. 325 Savannah Guy July 22, 2009 at 4:57 pm

    Great matchup tonight between Braves vs Giants, headlined by our ace-like starter and their highly touted, NL All-Star starter ace going head to head.

    Wait… that’s too, uh, not exciting and a bit lopsided. How about this:

    Jurrjens vs Lincecum

    No… that sounds like body lotion vs. liniment.

    How’s this: Jair vs. The Freak

    Nah… sounds a bit much like two characters in a Star Wars movie.

    Maybe this: The Curcao Kid vs. The Franchise Kid

    Please, no… that’s too canvas brawling, head-smashing WWE-ish. And cheese riddled.

    Oh, here’s one: JJ vs. Tim

    Nope… too, well, like a grade school playground fight.

    Hmmm. Ok, I’ve got it…

    Braves vs. Giants

    That’ll do for now. The pitcher names need work.

    Ahem… Go Bravos!


  318. 326 berigan2electricboogaloo July 22, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    How’s this: Jair vs. The Freak

    Nah… sounds a bit much like two characters in a Star Wars movie.


  319. 327 Gil in Mechanicsville July 22, 2009 at 6:16 pm

    Salty, not for one moment did I consider your comments to be self serving. As for your questions to the the validity to the words attributed to the President, I agree that confirmation was needed.

    Regardless of political inclination, truth is important. I think we are all pretty tired of the rumors and falsehoods attached to various public figures. The real truth is usually bad enough without the benefit of embellishments.

    On another front, lots of “Stuff” happening here locally but none worth taking the time to write about. However, it is a pretty slow news day when a local news station sends a reported to a local high school to film the weeds going in the dais high school’s courtyard. Uh, are they special weeds? Hummm… “weed”, high school? Anyway, like I said, slow news day.


  320. 328 berigan2electricboogaloo July 22, 2009 at 6:52 pm

    How would you like to be a pirates fan right about now??? Must need a scorecard. LaRoche has only been “hitting” .106 for July. One of the many players there po’ed at the wholesale changes. Will be interesting to see if he will hit for the Sox….


  321. 329 Savannah Guy July 22, 2009 at 8:04 pm

    Yunel… wow. Just wow!


  322. 330 Gil in Mechanicsville July 22, 2009 at 8:10 pm

    Ditto SG…


  323. 332 Gil in Mechanicsville July 22, 2009 at 8:49 pm

    Impressive CL, I’ll bet some little ones are ecstatic tonight.


  324. 333 Savannah Guy July 22, 2009 at 9:01 pm

    Jair is cookin’ with gas, people. Where it counts, he’s the ace of this team. Lowe and JV are 2 and 3. Hanson is coming up fast.

    Prado is the spark plug and Yunel is the clutch man.

    I like.


  325. 334 Savannah Guy July 22, 2009 at 9:14 pm

    Mac is back. Nate needs a night off. He’s struggling. The back (I guess) has him out of whack. Chipper’s, uh, something has his out of whack. Foot? Church needs to settle down and start hitting.

    Speaking of backs, getting Infante back won’t hurt. There is no doubt in my mind that if we had a big bopper in the 5 spot we would win the division and go deep in the playoffs. Maybe all the way.

    But would that bopper play LF, RF or first base? Either would suit me.

    Braves update: Jair two outs into the 8th and Jair looks spent. Bear down and keep the shutout…


  326. 335 Savannah Guy July 22, 2009 at 9:16 pm

    JJ’s out of the game with two out. Winn coming to bat with 2 on. Gotta hold these guys or we lose some bragging rights at least.


  327. 336 Savannah Guy July 22, 2009 at 9:17 pm

    Oh my… Gonzo. Nail biter time.


  328. 337 Gil in Mechanicsville July 22, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    No harm no foul for Gonzo… Just a bit of tough luck.

    Now Soriano… Looks good tonight


  329. 338 Gil in Mechanicsville July 22, 2009 at 9:36 pm

    I could get use to this…


  330. 339 Gil in Mechanicsville July 22, 2009 at 9:38 pm

    Maybe not…


  331. 340 Gil in Mechanicsville July 22, 2009 at 9:40 pm



  332. 341 flbravesgirl July 22, 2009 at 10:12 pm

    A little hairier than I would have preferred at the end of the game but a win’s a win. Great job by Jair tonight.


  333. 342 Gil in Mechanicsville July 22, 2009 at 10:48 pm

    Well, gotta keep people in their seats somehow….

    Now, don’t forget folks, it’s a day game tomorrow. 1:10 PM


  334. 343 Salty July 22, 2009 at 11:50 pm

    Now, don’t forget folks, it’s a day game tomorrow. 1:10 PM

    Hmmm….maybe I’ll go!


  335. 344 Salty July 22, 2009 at 11:51 pm

    Anyone want to play hooky with me? 😉


  336. 345 flbravesgirl July 23, 2009 at 1:02 am

    Yeah, me!

    Unfortunately the drive is a tad too long. 😦


  337. 346 Carolina Lady July 23, 2009 at 5:30 am

    This headline sure caught my eye this morning!!

    “Georgia to Ask U.S. for Advanced Weaponry”

    and I thought, “WOW! What y’all got going on down there!! Didn’t know if the request was for a really big bat or Tomahawk missiles! Then I read the article….. nevermind….. wrong GA!

    Hey, it’s early and I haven’t had much sleep…..


  338. 347 Savannah Guy July 23, 2009 at 8:00 am

    Would love to catch that mid-day game with ya Salty, but can’t break away from the coast or the stuff I gotta get done here on this grindstone. Take your broom! 😀

    Wear a big red and blue wig and jump up and down or sumpin’ so we’ll be able to pick you out on TV. 😆


  339. 348 Voice of Raisins July 23, 2009 at 11:06 am

    ugh… spent the whole day yesterday at Six Flags with the family. I am sore and stove up from keeping up, but I DID keep up. My 6 year old daughter rode the Scream Machine… twice. She loved it.

    We left when the park closed – too early at 9:00p – and proceeded to get right in the middle of Braves traffic downtown. That coupled with the brilliant closure of 2 lanes on I-75/85 North in town made for a way long ride home. Everybody but me was crashed before we got back to J-town about 11:20p or so. I wasn’t far from it myself…

    Good times… 😀


  340. 349 flbravesgirl July 23, 2009 at 12:00 pm

    At least you caught a break with the weather, VOR. Mom & Dad were loving it in Tiger. Actually had to wear jackets in the mornings.


  341. 350 Salty July 23, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    It’s been quite cool here for almost a week. I turned the AC off and opened the windows last Friday…finally closed them last night. Nice respite.

    Rather kidding about the game; can’t go either. But, the mere thought was liberating all by itself! 😆 Frankly, I dislike the drive…and traffic even more. Takes a very special or needy cause for me to get in the car…quite a short list, actually.


  342. 351 Voice of Raisins July 23, 2009 at 12:21 pm

    The weather was perfect – mostly cloudy, a few spittin’ sprinkles, not too hot – really nice. They shouldn’t close at 9:00p. It was just getting right.


  343. 352 Voice of Raisins July 23, 2009 at 12:34 pm

    All quiet on the Braves front – of course they seem to have figured out their offensive problems. I, like SG, still think they need a middle of the order bopper to be a real contender. RF with pop? 1B with power? Dunno. Like I said, it’s real quiet… almost too quiet (he said trying to sound like one of those B&W movie stars)…


  344. 353 Gil in Mechanicsville July 23, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    Greetings all… Looks like a big bopper at short for the Braves, Yunel goes yard to tie the game at 1-1… I like it 🙂


  345. 354 Voice of Raisins July 23, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    Agh! Game on?!?


  346. 355 Salty July 23, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    Glad I didn’t spend good $$ on this!


  347. 356 Voice of Raisins July 23, 2009 at 4:16 pm

    Ugly 8th inning. Is it just me, or has Chipper looked very ordinary lately? Both at the plate and in the field…

    Is it because he hasn’t had any prolonged rest periods on the DL?


  348. 357 Salty July 23, 2009 at 4:20 pm

    Chipper’s been swinging at pitches he typically doesn’t. But, KJ’s back now, so Prado can go to third and Chipper can take a day off. 🙄


  349. 358 flbravesgirl July 23, 2009 at 5:32 pm

    I hate to pick on KJ but maybe he’s bad luck. That got ugly.


  350. 359 berigan2electricboogaloo July 23, 2009 at 5:37 pm

    Well, Brooks Conrad was only hitting .344, naturally you send him down. double 🙄
    Missed the game today, but it didn’t work this time. Sorry folks. I did see much of last nights game but right after Yunel’s homer. guess it’s back to the made up drawing board. 😉


  351. 360 Voice of Raisins July 23, 2009 at 6:24 pm

    It did seem that the team’s fortunes changed as KJ went on the DL; they certainly changed today when he was back. Not blaming him for anything, but the time correlation is ironic. (Actually, he looked pretty good in his only AB.)

    I would have rather seen them DFA Norton rather than send down Brooks, but I see why they did. It was the most flexible option.


  352. 361 Voice of Raisins July 23, 2009 at 6:28 pm

    Amazing statement from former Chicago White Sox pitcher – and former HGH user – Jim Parque published by the Chicago Sun-Times. Very powerful and moving. To borrow a phrase from him, he “manned up” with this. It is a must read:



  353. 362 Savannah Guy July 23, 2009 at 6:56 pm

    Had the game on while working. It almost put me to sleep until the late innings when the wheels came off the Braves. Hard to sleep (or work) while watching them make that ugly mess all over the field. Need a pooper-scooper after that game.

    Maybe my imagination, but I think Kelly threw the whole game off today. Not his fault and he didn’t do anything wrong, but I dunno… maybe he just throws the team’s ph off. That’s it… ph. A chemistry thing.

    Prado seemed, I dunno… out of sorts or off balance or something. Maybe the team bonded while winning so many together lately… guys like Prado, Yunel, Conrad, Mac, Diaz and others. Now Brooks is gone and Kelly is back. I know, had to bring him up and all that jazz, but man… the team was just way off today.

    Then we have Kotch lollygagging after a grounder again at first then tossing an arch that would rival McDonald’s golden arches over to first, too late to get the runner out. An easy play played too easy. Does he daydream on occasion over there? His record of error-free ball should not overlook all those missed plays (and there are quite a few)where he shuffled and missed getting an out. Not a technical error but should have been an out. That’s where the stat sheets lie even more than the ‘official scorer’. Just home cookin’ I s’poze. Looks like runny grits to me.

    Where was I? Oh, I agree with you guys about Chipper. He’s off his game and needs to sit. HOF and old Brave or not, he’s gotta take the pine on occasion for the good of the team and for his own good. Of course it wouldn’t even cross Bobby’s mind to do that.

    Not taking anything away from Zito, who threw a very good game. Still, it seemed our guys kinda mailed it in today. At least that’s how it looked from my managers seat over here. 🙄


  354. 363 flbravesgirl July 23, 2009 at 7:58 pm

    Congratulations to Mark Buehrle. He’d better buy Dewayne Wise a car or something for hauling in that HR ball to preserve the perfect game.


  355. 364 berigan2electricboogaloo July 23, 2009 at 8:09 pm

    Hey did you guys hear Mark Buehrle threw a perfect game today??? Somehow only the 18th in ML history!!! 😯
    Onetime brave DeWayne Wise made the catch of the year over the wall, nearly dropped the ball on the way down. Use guys have to watch epsn news(espys on again) or at least the clip from this link.



  356. 365 berigan2electricboogaloo July 24, 2009 at 3:58 am

    tarzan the writer say….
    Tim Hudson suffer rough inning in rehab start



  357. 366 Savannah Guy July 24, 2009 at 7:00 am

    Bear, thanks for the links. Mark Buehrle’s perfect game. And what a catch by DeWayne Wise. Wow. That may be the closest thing to Otis Nixon’s catch I’ve seen. Not as high or spectacular as Otis, but spectacular. Catch of the year for sure.

    Hudson… gettin’ the kinks out… and no doubt some scar tissue.


  358. 367 Gil in Mechanicsville July 24, 2009 at 7:04 am

    Eight inning got real ugly didn’t it? Reminded me of the Tigers the year they blew the world series because the pitchers failed to field bunts. Just shows how important defense really is.

    And Lewis should have been called out for running inside the line… but that is only called on the Braves.

    The more important thing however is Gonzo’s wrist. Took a pretty hard shot.

    I am not worried about Hudson. I don’t expect him back until the September call up period.


  359. 368 Savannah Guy July 24, 2009 at 7:16 am

    Raisins, quite a story by Parque.

    Let he who is without sin…


  360. 369 berigan2electricboogaloo July 24, 2009 at 8:56 am

    Just read that story too, V. wow….

    And even now only 33 years old!


  361. 370 Voice of Raisins July 24, 2009 at 11:11 am

    Well, the Tigers have DFA’d Josh Anderson. That honeymoon didn’t last very long.



  362. 371 Voice of Raisins July 24, 2009 at 11:16 am

    I still think the Braves need a thumper. Only one real one on the market – Adam Dunn. He’s under contract through next season at $12MM per, and is stiffer than GA. Wow… McLouth would have to cover ALOT of ground…

    That said, his bat at 4 behind Chipper would transform the lineup. Think about it…

    1. N8
    2. Marteeen
    3. Chipper
    4. Dunn
    5. Mac
    6. GAnderson
    7. Kotch
    8. Diaz/Church
    9. pitcher

    Pretty decent lineup right there…


  363. 373 Voice of Raisins July 24, 2009 at 11:39 am

    Whoa… looks like the Cards may have just picked up Holliday. No confirmation yet…


  364. 374 Voice of Raisins July 24, 2009 at 11:42 am

    The Cards’ pieces are apparently 3B Brett Wallace, OF Shane Peterson and RHP Clayton Mortensen…

    Probably some $$$ being paid by A’s…


  365. 375 Voice of Raisins July 24, 2009 at 11:45 am

    Not a done deal, but seems imminent…


  366. 376 Gil in Mechanicsville July 24, 2009 at 11:48 am

    Rather the Cards get him than the Phillies…

    Not so sure about taking Dunn. Such a huge defensive liability… it would be okay if he was to be used as a DH but that is not an option.


  367. 377 Voice of Raisins July 24, 2009 at 12:13 pm

    Holliday deal is all done except for the “i” dotting and “t” crossing.


  368. 378 Voice of Raisins July 24, 2009 at 12:22 pm

    Buster Olney reports that it’s a done deal. The A’s will kick in $1.5MM to the remainder of Holliday’s salary.


  369. 379 Voice of Raisins July 24, 2009 at 12:23 pm

    Could be the first domino has fallen. Might open the gates for the rest.


  370. 380 berigan2electricboogaloo July 24, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    V, honestly, I would like Dunn as well, but the GM of the Nats(whoever that is these days) said something to the effect that Dunn brings something to the Nats that they need…someone people like to see…I guess for the monster home runs he hits.
    He and others must hear folks talking about the bombs…
    Still, they need to get better. Really, their offense is fine, they need pitching.


  371. 381 Voice of Raisins July 24, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    Just thinkin’… Pujols bats 3 with Holliday 4. That’s a pretty nice tandem. Braves need a tandem.


  372. 382 Voice of Raisins July 24, 2009 at 2:46 pm

    Prediction: KJ will be traded before the deadline…


  373. 383 Voice of Raisins July 24, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    Braves have been scouting ChiSox… Konerko maybe?


  374. 384 berigan2electricboogaloo July 24, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    Gil, shoot…I think Holliday would be a step down from either corner guy! 😉
    He hasn’t hit for much power of late, though I just read he has been hitting .344 in July. Crazy a team that doesn’t draw, the A’s had to toss in money to a team that draws 3 million every year. 🙄


  375. 385 berigan2electricboogaloo July 24, 2009 at 2:50 pm

    Hmm, Konerko…interesting!


  376. 386 berigan2electricboogaloo July 24, 2009 at 3:04 pm

    Just was reading something about Josh Fields(who hit a grand slam for the White Sox yesterday, and giving the game ball to HOF…I looked at his numbers has had a pretty bad year 7-30, .223….but, he plays 3rd and some first. Bats right handed. Hit’s better against lefties. Hit .321 against them in 2007. Joe Crede came back from back surgery in 2008, so He only had 32 AB’s in 2008 .after a fine rookie year, 23 HR’s 67 RBI’s in 373 AB’s.
    Could platoon with Kotchman and fill in for Chipper. Just a thought.


  377. 387 Voice of Raisins July 24, 2009 at 3:09 pm

    They did it to get the deal done. Apparently the key guy in the trade, Wallace, is a hitting machine. Typical Billy Beane trade. He targeted certain prospects, and closed the deal.


  378. 388 berigan2electricboogaloo July 24, 2009 at 3:16 pm

    The Cards must be hoping Holliday, who has Satan as his agent, will re-sign with the cards after the fan love. Otherwise they just gave up a very good prospect for 2 months of Holliday.


  379. 389 Voice of Raisins July 24, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    Tough day for ex-Braves… Red Sox just placed Kotsay on waivers.


  380. 390 Voice of Raisins July 24, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    According to mlb.com, Dodgers’ GM says Jays want two or three current Dodgers, including a young pitcher, or five or six prospects.



  381. 391 Voice of Raisins July 24, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    That, of course, is for Halladay… 😳


  382. 392 Salty July 24, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    Would you take Kotsay on waivers…MLB minimum for the rest of the year, right? Flip-side…another leftie…again. Lefties dominate baseball…and my family! 🙄


  383. 394 Voice of Raisins July 24, 2009 at 4:57 pm

    I would take Kotsay over Norton.

    (Not to mention Jamie…) 🙄


  384. 395 Voice of Raisins July 24, 2009 at 4:59 pm

    CL, I hear Scott Boras has already contacted the Japanese professor. 😀


  385. 396 Voice of Raisins July 24, 2009 at 5:06 pm

    2night’s lineup:

    1. N8 CF
    2. Marteeen 2B
    3. Chipper 3B
    4. Mac C
    5. Yunel SS
    6. GAnderson LF
    7. MattyD RF
    8. Kotch 1B
    9. JV P


  386. 397 Gil in Mechanicsville July 24, 2009 at 5:36 pm

    Well, personally, I miss Brooks Conrad already…

    If the Braves could just somehow restart Nate McClough, I think they would be just fine…


  387. 398 Savannah Guy July 24, 2009 at 6:02 pm

    The answer to all of our baseball problems?

    CL, I think the prototype has been around for a while. Doesn’t pitch or hit but can blog about stats until the cows come home.

    Well, personally, I miss Brooks Conrad already…

    Me too Gil. Old school guy that hustles and gets after it. Love to see him get a shot to fill in at second when Prado needs rest or slumps. Can he play third? Maybe he’ll be back when KJ is dealt.


  388. 399 berigan2electricboogaloo July 24, 2009 at 6:08 pm

    To steal err.., borrow V’s lineup…here is how you solve all the issues…

    1. Marteeen 2B
    2. Kotch 1B
    3. Chipper 3B
    4. Mac C
    5. Yunel SS
    6. N8 CF
    7. GAnderson LF
    8. MattyD RF

    Then the guy with, you know, the most homers, and RBI’s a bit of a bopper in other words, gets a chance to come up with runners on, instead of 2 outs and no one on, later in the game. Or having to bunt a runner over.


  389. 400 Carolina Lady July 24, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    CL, I think the prototype has been around for a while. Doesn’t pitch or hit but can blog about stats until the cows come home.
    😆 You are SO right!!! 😆


  390. 401 Salty July 24, 2009 at 7:22 pm

    VOR…thought about Norton, too. But…he’s a switch-hitter (when he makes contact 😯 ) I like Kotsay…his defense is at least on par with his hitting…more than can be said for any of the pine dwellars on the team (if Infante was healthy).

    Nate…accentuate the positive. The team has played well while he’s been off his game. He’s still playing defense…has speed…and isn’t striking out with regularity…still gets on base. He’ll be fine…and he works the pitcher. You find me a team with all eight regulars nailing it concurrently and I’ll know you’re spending too much time playing EA Sports…cause that’s the only time ‘it’s in the game’! :mrgreen:

    Going full circle…when Infante returns, who leaves…and again, Norton over Kotsay? In fact…would you keep Kotchman over Kotsay…knowing you have Prado to cover at first…when Infante returns. Possibilities by the bushel!


  391. 402 Salty July 24, 2009 at 7:26 pm

    With all due respect…how can one state have the right…and none of the others do? ❓


  392. 403 berigan2electricboogaloo July 24, 2009 at 8:45 pm

    Hey, why not pick up Tony Clark, like I mentioned a few days/weeks ago??? Though Kotsay can play everywhere. Someone should replace Norton though…and KJ.


  393. 404 Savannah Guy July 24, 2009 at 10:51 pm

    Nate just unnnnn-loaded. Deep center smash. A thing of beauty.


  394. 405 berigan2electricboogaloo July 24, 2009 at 10:52 pm

    See, thats’ why he should not be batting leadoff….oh well, it’s still a 2 run homer!


  395. 406 Savannah Guy July 24, 2009 at 10:57 pm

    But Bear, the leadoff only leads off in the first inning. We need his grit and determination leading off. That is, unless you can find a better leadoff, which we don’t happen to have at the moment. I’m good with him right there… even tho he does have 15 knocks on the season.


  396. 407 Voice of Raisins July 24, 2009 at 11:01 pm

    When Infante comes back, Diory goes down…


  397. 408 Voice of Raisins July 24, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    Just read the interview of Braves scout Jim Fregosi regarding Beuhrle’s perfecto yesterday… The perfecto that he watched… while there… in person… Jim Fregosi… Braves scout… in Chicago… Sox game… again…

    Who are they eyeing?


  398. 409 Voice of Raisins July 24, 2009 at 11:23 pm

    Mark Bowman:

    If I’ve told this story before, I apologize. But with his tremendous catch to preserve Mark Buehrle’s perfect game on Thursday afternoon, Dewayne Wise produced the reminder of the first day that I saw him during Spring Training in 2004.

    As we were standing in the middle of the clubhouse just shooting the breeze with Cox, Wise, a non-roster invitee who had previously been in the Blue Jays system, approached his new manager to introduce himself.

    And staying true to his ability to make all of his players feel like they’re wanted and important, Cox responded with a firm handshake, a smile and, “Hey I’ve heard a lot about you, it’s great to have you here.”

    Then as Wise walked away, Cox asked, “Who was that?”

    😆 😆


  399. 410 Voice of Raisins July 24, 2009 at 11:48 pm

    9 runs, 17 hits tonight… gotta like it.


  400. 411 flbravesgirl July 25, 2009 at 12:19 am

    That is a great Bobby story, VOR. 😀


  401. 412 flbravesgirl July 25, 2009 at 12:23 am

    I’d say everyone had fun tonight except Mac. Good to see Chipper looking more comfortable.


  402. 413 flbravesgirl July 25, 2009 at 12:29 am

    Y’all see that Vincente Padilla was diagnosed with swine flu? They’re testing the rest of the Rangers. Scary.


  403. 414 Voice of Raisins July 25, 2009 at 12:40 am


    The addition of left fielder Matt Holliday all but ensures that the Cardinals will attempt to trade Troy Glaus, who is on a rehabilitation assignment while recovering from surgery on his right shoulder.

    The Giants, Braves, Rangers and Tigers are among the clubs expected to scout Glaus at Class AA Springfield this weekend, according to a major-league source.

    Glaus, a third baseman who recently has played some left field on this assignment, no longer has a position with the Cardinals with Holliday in left, Mark DeRosa at third and Albert Pujols at first.


  404. 415 Voice of Raisins July 25, 2009 at 12:50 am

    Glaus is playing alot of 1B in his rehab stint. He says he can hit fine, but throwing is still painful.

    He hit 38 bombs for Toronto in ’06, 20 in only 115 games in ’07, and 27 last season in St. Louis. He bats right and has a career SLG of .498

    He has about a week left on his rehab time – coincidentally right about trade deadline time.


  405. 416 berigan2electricboogaloo July 25, 2009 at 4:45 am

    Well, if anyone’s a swine, it’s Vincente Padilla! 😛 But yeah FBG, it is scary. Funny…I woke up with tightness around my throat this A.M. (ok, P.M.) and thought oh no, not again! Took 2 zinc tablets and took a nap, woke up not feeling sick! 😀 Don’t know what exactly that has to do with the swine flu, but I like to talk about myself!

    Classic Cox story V!

    I don’t know who they are scouting, except like what you said about Konerko (SP?) but the White Sox didn’t hit much in a double header today… so I can’t see them giving up Dye or Konerko…I’d take my chances with Thome at 1st for his bat! 🙂

    SG, I just feel Nate is wasted a bit in leadoff. After leading off the game, he’s going to come up too often after the 8th hitter and the pitcher making outs…so no one on for him to drive in. In the AL with the DH, sure you are just leading off once and then real hitters are on in front of you.

    I just think of all the wasted opportunities with Frenchy and G.A., guys with little power, batting with runners on.
    Time will tell. And who knows if Prado would do well leading off???
    But, if we aren’t going to make a move, for financial reasons, or not wanting to give up great prospects…I think the braves should consider it. I expect Bobby to call first thing to run over some other ideas I have as well! 🙄


  406. 418 Gil in Mechanicsville July 25, 2009 at 11:13 am

    Cool CL…

    Speaking of cool, got most of the grass cut this morning before the day heated up. The grass didn’t really look bad yet but I sometimes have to do things when I feel like it, not wait until it becomes a chore.

    Great game last night, not so much for BMac but good for everyone else. Glad to see Nate returning to form. Think he reads our blog?

    Great line by Prince Fielder reflecting on his Golden Sombrero last night. “I put some great swings on the ball, they just ended up as line drives to the catcher.”


  407. 419 Carolina Lady July 25, 2009 at 11:44 am

    Great line by Prince Fielder reflecting on his Golden Sombrero last night. “I put some great swings on the ball, they just ended up as line drives to the catcher.” Priceless!


  408. 420 Gil in Mechanicsville July 25, 2009 at 4:36 pm

    Wow, it’s been a full day for me.

    Now relaxing, awaiting the Braves game, in the meantime watching the Phillies and Cardinals. Ibanezs doing it again… The Braves really should have listened to Berigan and signed him at the beginning of the year.


  409. 421 Gil in Mechanicsville July 25, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    Uh oh… Looks like the party will soon be over, it was nice while it lasted…

    A “Bermuda High” will be parked off the coast and transport plenty of moisture into our area. Expect hot and humid days through the workweek with afternoon thunderstorms possible each day.


  410. 422 Gil in Mechanicsville July 25, 2009 at 7:00 pm

    And the next time someone says they would like a traditional wedding, ask “who’s tradition”?

    Love this…



  411. 423 Savannah Guy July 25, 2009 at 7:36 pm

    A hot one on the coast today. Random catch up on comments stuff:

    Raisins, Glaus scares me a bit. On paper he looks like a bopper, but I just went and looked at his numbers. Seems he had a huge power surge in 2000 after not doing much and then fell off the surge dramatically in 2007. Now, I’m not sayin’ because of that or because of his shoulder needing work is because he was on the juice… but I am just sayin’, well, his timing and circumstances caught my attention. Maybe that’s what the Cards know. Maybe not, but why would they replace him with Dero? Who’s gonna pickup that big salary? All I’m sayin’ is I don’t like something here… don’t dislike him, but sumpin’ smells.

    Then as Wise walked away, Cox asked, “Who was that?”

    That is funny, but also sad in and aggravating. I want a manager that has his wits about him and doesn’t need to resort to false praise to cover up his own lack of… whatever… and a manager that is comfortable in knowing that it’s – OK not to know or remember a particular player – kinda’ way.

    I just feel Nate is wasted a bit in leadoff. After leading off the game, he’s going to come up too often after the 8th hitter and the pitcher making outs…so no one on for him to drive in.

    I hear ya, Bear. Although, he’s doing great there. He and Maaarteeen supposed to get on base for Chipper and Mac to drive in. Thing is, if we just had a bopmeister, we wouldn’t need to require him to be a long-ball hitter… just get on base and after the first inning, drive in whoever is there or get on base for Prado, Chipper and Mac. Like that. But I know what you’re saying and it does cross my mind occasionally. Just don’t want to mess up the front-end chemistry (and success) that we have right now. Anyway, I just talked to Bobby and told him to leave Nate in leadoff and he agreed. Then again, you never know with Bobby… right after he agreed to leave Nate there in the leadoff spot as I turned to walk away, he looked at Chino, scratched his head and asked, “who’s Nate”? 😆

    Gil, isn’t Ibanez a bit too old and injury prone to want for anything more than a few months rental?

    A “Bermuda High” will be parked off the coast

    At least it’s better than driving after smoking that stuff. :mrgreen:

    A lady after my own heart!

    CL, you posted a story/video on her last some time ago. She has my heart too. Very cool gal. Nice car too. Plus, lifetime warranties are a very good thing when you’re young.

    And the next time someone says they would like a traditional wedding, ask “who’s tradition”?

    Well, hopefully it wasn’t a tradition of the singer of their wedding song, Chris Brown… or the bride would have a busted lip, battered and bruised face and a big, diamond encrusted bling ‘oops’ necklace.

    Doers anyone else wince whenever Joe Simpson says “a Rick Flair”, describing a short hit that drops in? I’d rather hear, “back, back, back”. At least Berman’s is original and has, uh, some flair.


  412. 424 Gil in Mechanicsville July 25, 2009 at 7:54 pm

    Well, would you prefer a “YeeHaw” when someone hits a Texas leaguer 🙂

    You want to know what’s really scary? those throwback unis remind be of the flannels I wore when I played in the pony and colt leagues as a kid… Maybe the last time my clothes were baggy…


  413. 425 Savannah Guy July 25, 2009 at 8:47 pm

    Actually, yes… yeehaw would be an improvement. But not much. 😆 I like the uni’s tonight. Baggy knickers with stockings just look like a baseball player. The ‘A’ and Atlanta logotype needs some work, but I’d like to keep the style. Wonder how the players feel about’em?

    Think I’ll call Wren about that.


  414. 426 Savannah Guy July 25, 2009 at 9:11 pm

    Wren said he asked Bobby if he liked the new uni’s, but Bobby didn’t realize we’d changed them tonight. Chino didn’t know either… just thought they were a bit less snug than the regular uni’s.

    Hanson is about as sharp as a Biden comment tonight.

    “Russia will bow to us economically”.

    Amazing. For a man who has spent his life running his mouth with magnificent self-aggrandizement and witless verbosity while acting the part of an insulting, ruling-class’ fascist inquisitor to all Republican Presidential appointees needing Congressional approval, this comment was not a surprise. The paranoid, brutal, power hungry, Stalin-lite maniac Putin will no doubt want to do something nice for us now.

    Just good, old fashioned diplomacy from the man that brought you FDR TV, convenience stores all smell like curry.

    Back to baseball: We need hits. We need runs. I’ll call TP.


  415. 427 Savannah Guy July 25, 2009 at 9:13 pm

    Maybe the last time my clothes were baggy…

    Gil, I’ve noticed that too. I think they’re just trying to cut costs and save material on pants and shirts these days. Makes guys look like they have bigger bellies. It’s the cut of the shirt, I say…


  416. 428 Savannah Guy July 25, 2009 at 10:30 pm

    Silver lining on tonight’s game:

    Hanson pitched very well through not having his best stuff. He’s an ace in the making. Bunting, not so good.

    Back to silver. Acosta pitched well. It was a seeing eye single that scored two. Nothing can be done about that. Lady luck and such.

    Hard to get silver from O’Flaherty’s outing. Maybe nickel… or coal. Walked the bases loaded is not what any MLB pitcher should do. Cox was visibly po’ed on the monund when he pulled him.

    Maybe the silver is that even the three walks and two resulting runs didn’t make the difference in the game. No runs will not win games, ever.

    Lowe is due a strong outing tomorrow.


  417. 429 berigan2electricboogaloo July 25, 2009 at 11:28 pm

    Hard to get silver from O’Flaherty’s outing. Maybe nickel… or coal. Walked the bases loaded is not what any MLB pitcher should do. Cox was visibly po’ed on the monund when he pulled him.

    I stopped watching once there were 3 walks…but, why do walks bother Bobby more than anything else, ANYTHING else??
    O’Flaherty, is he going to end up like other lefties who walked too many folks in a game???
    Dopes like Andruw and and Frenchy, could swing and miss pitches 2 feet outside, 3-4 times a game and he’d never get half as mad as he got tonight….


  418. 430 Gil in Mechanicsville July 26, 2009 at 3:29 am

    O’Flaherty’s problem is the same as it always has been… Bad back… When his back is acting up, he can’t throw strikes because his stuff flattens out and he gets hammered when he throws balls across the plate. Thus he tries to get cute and ends up missing pitches..

    Yes, Acosta deserved better tonight. I thought it was one of his better outings,


  419. 431 Salty July 26, 2009 at 6:06 am

    Heyward went 3-for-5 on Friday night with a double, a home run and three RBIs to raise his average to .417 (25-for-60) with nine doubles, two triples, two home runs and 13 RBIs in 17 games for Mississippi.

    The quote if from this article:

    Here’s the comment that irked me:
    The Braves don’t have a glaring need in the outfield, and Heyward won’t turn 20 until Aug. 9. 😯
    What does one have to do with the other? Is there something magical about 20…or 21…or 19? If he’s ready…he’s ready. Are the Juniors and the Younts just special when they’re in other organizations? How old were they…19 and 18 respectively?


  420. 432 Salty July 26, 2009 at 6:11 am

    The quote if from this article:

    If? I’m going back to bed! 🙄


  421. 433 Savannah Guy July 26, 2009 at 7:37 am

    The quote if from this article:

    Olde English. F’s all over the place. 😀


  422. 434 Savannah Guy July 26, 2009 at 7:40 am

    Heyward should come up in September to get his feet wet, demystify the bigs and such. Get some AB’s and all. Maybe planned around a TP vacation. 🙄


  423. 435 berigan2electricboogaloo July 26, 2009 at 9:20 am

    Gil, I didn’t know that…does Bobby know that??? If he knows and O said he was fine, and wasn’t, because of the back…that’s one thing. but to be so mad at him for really the only bad outing I can recall…I just don’t get.

    And Salty, testify brother! I think it is best for players to not be rushed up from the minors, most of the time. But some players are ready sooner. Andruw Jones was just 19 when he came up. Justin Upton was 19 when he came up(and only hit .224 for part of that year)Aranus Ramirez was 19 Edgar Renteria was supposedly 19.

    I heard Joe Simpson say during the game last night that he heard some scout that has seen both Heyward and Freeman play, say that they might be the best players out there for the braves…. this year! 😯


  424. 436 berigan2electricboogaloo July 26, 2009 at 9:24 am

    SG, can’t you just “hear” DOB say to a September callup…the braves would have to then make room for him on the Major league roster, he will play in the Arizona league in the winter, blah, blah, blah….

    G.A., unless he hits 20 HR’s and drives in 50 RBI’s the last 2 months is gone after this year. I just fear another palooka being signed next year to play in left and bringing Heyward up say in July, after the braves are once basically out of the race.


  425. 437 berigan2electricboogaloo July 26, 2009 at 9:33 am

    40 Man roster is what my fingers should have typed….
    Braves are 6 1/2 games out right now. The Mariners are 7 1/2 out and Buster Olney said as they fade out of the west, they will likely be sellers now.
    Just checked, they are 6 1/2 out in the wildcard race…we are 3 1/2 out.

    After hitting a 3 run homer yesterday, Frenchy is hitting .333 in 45 ABs for the Mutts, with 12 RBI’s in 11 games.
    Amazing what getting away from TP can do for a feller! 😉


  426. 438 Savannah Guy July 26, 2009 at 11:22 am

    Bear, what I had in mind was to bring Heyward up for a few days when someone is either DL’d or expendable in September. And obviously not to take someone that’s hitting out to move him in. Then, if we’re out of it in September, mox nix… may as well let Heyward get a taste of the bigs.

    Oh, and I couldn’t care less what any little wise-acre beat reporter thinks about that, or anything else for that matter.


  427. 439 Salty July 26, 2009 at 1:06 pm

    Heyward…NOW…PERIOD! Freeman, too…fine by me.

    Enough with this ‘get your feet wet’. I’m over professional clubhouse. It’s a game, but they’re paid bloody well to do just that…play. Instead, someone needs rest, another has a cold…or upset tummy. But one who has the flu for a week can pitch…another with a hangnail needs to be DL’d. How many of you ‘need a rest’ at your job? More to the point…how many ‘get a rest’ at your job? Mine’s always been called vacation.

    Up and coming special players need to know sooner than later how their talent rates against the ‘big boys’. (I’m big on ” today! 😆 ). Why wait a year to learn what today can tell you?

    Rant concluded
    …for now! 👿


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