87: The 2009 Braves – or ….

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by Savannah Guy

How We Managed To Lose Games We Should’ve Won.

The most frustrating thing in sports is watching your team lose when you know it is more than capable of winning. Surely all fans feel or think or say that as they seek answers to why their team failed to have a winning season and reach the playoffs. For some, like the Pirates and the Nationals, the answer is simple. For teams like the Braves, the answers are more complex. The Braves have an average payroll, above average rotation and that’ll get you to the post season. Get players that’ll get you some runs and you’re there in October.

The Braves are not going anywhere but home when this season ends. Why did that happen? Is it just “the way the ball bounces”? Is it just “that’s baseball”, or is there something or someone that we can point to and confidently and reasonably say, “that was the one undeniable cause of our losing season”. In sports, that is almost impossible to prove and there are as many opinions as there are fans.

Seeking blame is not a helpful exercise nor is it a fruitful cause, but seeking answers to questions and solutions for problems is worthwhile and helpful, even if the exercise is to satisfy our own curiosity and sense of logic, reason, cause and effect. A few excerpts inspired me from a Mark Bowman, MLB article last night:

Jair Jurgens

Jair Jurrjens

“I don’t even know what to say anymore,” said Jurrjens, who has seen the Braves score two runs or fewer in 14 of his 29 starts. “It’s getting frustrating for us now, especially because of how big these games are for us right now.”

I’m afraid this may be closer to what he wanted to say: I do know what to say after playing with this club… that it’s been frustrating from day one in Atlanta. First chance, I’m out’a here.

“Wells was hard to hit at,” manager Bobby Cox said. “He was wild enough to be effective. He would make some real bad pitches and then make the most Greg Maddux-[like] pitches you could ever imagine.”

Another perspective: Hate to mince words but must differ with the skipper… Wells was actually easy to “hit at”. We hit “at” him all night, trying to impatiently force the situation and pull the ball and wound up swinging at pitches way up and way out of the zone. Wells was “effectively wild” (stunk) but occasionally got one over. We helped him out a great deal by swinging at everything except, uh, the ones across the plate.

This season is a nightmare for the Braves rotation, where one run might lose a game and three runs pretty much assures you of hanging one in the loss column.

I’m not tracking, but it seems like we were on a pretty good roll until Chipper put himself back in. His pinch three run double made him forget all about the slumpfest he’s been in, figured he was invincible, happy days were here again and determined he’d play every game after that. That hasn’t worked out very well for Chipper or the team.

But that’s just one player and I don’t hang this or any season on just one player. Was it untimely injuries to McLouth, Infante, Prado, Church, just as they were playing so well? Was it sticking with French and Kelly so, so incredibly long? Did we overlook Diaz too long? Was it the unwillingness or stubbornness to keep Chipper in, or allow him to camp in the 3 spot so long? Is it having Mac bat cleanup when Rochey would be a better fit? Were we one big bat shy of having a winning team?

Should we have kept Conrad in Atlanta to play second, moving Prado to third to let Chipper have some real time off? Should we be resting Mac more and let Ross contribute?

Was it a bad idea to pitch Gonzo and Soriano with big leads too many times or put them in to pitch too often on consecutive nights when most managers would’ve used others in the pen?



Did we pitch Moylan way too much, especially with him coming off surgery? Is Lowe done as a starter?  Have we mismanaged Medlen enough yet, jerking him around to the point of throwing him out of synch and robbing him of confidence? Has “loyalty” or “patience” with a struggling Norton hurt the team?  Is Garret done as a position player?

As always, there is not one single reason a team loses and not one single player that causes a team to lose the season. “All of the above”  (and more) would be the only viable and fair answer to so many questions about this 2009 season.

Yet, even with all of the injuries (which all teams have) and slumps (which all teams have), our starting pitching has been excellent. With the exception of Lowe, our rotation is at least as good as any in the game. Cy Young could not have won more games than Jair this year with such pitiful run support.

This season, even with less than stellar offense, with just a little less loyalty and patience and that stubborn old playbook, the Braves could be ahead of the Phillies today. We had a good enough team this year but in my humble opinion they were mismanaged all the way. Bobby didn’t manage bad enough to be tossed out in mid season as some owners do, particularly because of the laurels he rests on, and he didn’t manage so blatantly bad that he lost all benefit of doubt about his current capability.

The Braves were managed just well enough to almost win. Luck had nothing to do with this season like it did last year. Our injuries could have been played through. Rally-killing, automatic-out players that were mired in months long, excruciating slumps could have been lifted. Luck played no role in the 2009 season, unless you consider having a great manager that is (still) on top of his game good luck. A few less injuries to key players would have helped as would the good fortune of landing a big bat, but our bad luck in 2009 was bad managing.


Maybe we’ll manage to get’em next year.


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434 Responses to “87: The 2009 Braves – or ….”

  1. 1 Carolina Lady September 6, 2009 at 2:43 pm

    Just great, SG! And MANY THANKS!!!


  2. 2 obcbeatle September 6, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    Bobby Cox is a players manager, and as such I think he sometimes is too sentimental. Case in point this year is Greg Norton. I think Cox has been a bit too patient with Norton as Greg has struggled all year when we really needed someone to make contact. Also, I’ve followed the Braves long before Cox was manager. Bobby is often one batter too late in pulling a pitcher that is struggling. For instance, Jim Leyland or Billy Martin would yank a pitcher in a heartbeat. No sentimentality for those two managers. I wish Bobby would be quicker to yank. But Bobby is a good guy and it seems like every player that has ever played for Cox has nothing but good things to say about him. Too bad the Braves and Bobby can’t turn that into more success in the post season. Oh well, the 1991-2005 streak was great. Just wish we’d won at least one other WS besides in 1995 🙂


  3. 3 Savannah Guy September 6, 2009 at 6:05 pm

    Thanks for the nice layout there, CL. You da hostess wid tha mostest.

    Well, the Braves now have no pressure as a team. There are a few players that have opportunities to shine their personal numbers up, a few that can audition on the big stage, a few that need to look over their shoulder, a few that should have been considering their life after Braves months ago and a few that need to face the harsh reality of pro sports, do themselves a favor and retire.

    Now we can relax, since there’s no stress for non-contending teams, and enjoy the games and individual accomplishments. In a way, it’s almost easier to enjoy the pure game itself when not contending. Don’t get me wrong… I enjoy screaming at the TV and getting all uptight in a close game during a pennant race. It’s worth the anxiety and the increased blood pressure. The late nights watching late, meaningful games is worth losing sleep over. But that’s all over now.

    Now we get to play spoiler and we get to watch pre-winter ball. I’d rather be suffering all those conditions above while the Braves marched toward October, but it’ll be fun. Relaxing. No better sleep than a meaningless game on a Sunday afternoon.

    Here’s to the horn-helmeted, singing fat lady and that creepy guy Raisins keeps seeing around. They should be making the rounds with other teams soon. I hope they ignore us next year.


  4. 4 Voice of Raisins September 6, 2009 at 6:36 pm


  5. 6 Voice of Raisins September 6, 2009 at 6:37 pm

    whoops… kill that last one…


  6. 7 Carolina Lady September 6, 2009 at 6:42 pm

    obcbeatle, welcome! Glad to see you! Hope you’ll visit more often!


  7. 8 berigan2electricboogaloo September 6, 2009 at 7:26 pm

    SG, Thanks!!! I was really going to have a tough time cranking one out. When I wrote part 1, I had more free time. What a difference a week or so makes. We even had company today, so I worked some, then cleaned up, then entertained…went into bedroom at one point, was surprised to see the game in the 11th, 2-2! Stayed long enough to see Micah Owings throw 88 “heat” and get Conrad and Infante out leaving 2 runners on. Somehow knew there was no way we would come back. Guess watching this team for the whole season told me.

    In better news, greetings obcbeatle!!! 😀


  8. 9 Carolina Lady September 6, 2009 at 7:46 pm

    Just in case you’ve ever wondered –
    you shouldn’t eat Cheetos while you use the keyboard.



  9. 10 berigan2electricboogaloo September 6, 2009 at 9:01 pm

    Just in case you’ve ever wondered –
    you shouldn’t eat Cheetos 😛


  10. 12 flbravesgirl September 6, 2009 at 11:06 pm

    Hey, I like Cheetos. Eat ’em about once a year but I like ’em.


  11. 13 Carolina Lady September 7, 2009 at 5:10 am

    I last had Cheetos about 8 years ago. I was due! 😆


  12. 14 Gil in Mechanicsville September 7, 2009 at 5:55 am

    Great opine SG…. Pretty much sums it up for me too. Certainly, I would never profess to know more about baseball than the venerable Bobby Cox but even I as a lowly fan could see some of the moves he has made this season were doomed to failure.

    I doubt Bobby thinks it’s time to hang them up but I would bet there would be no tears shed in Atlanta if he were to announce this was his final season. Well, maybe Chipper and Norton but not anyone else…


  13. 15 Savannah Guy September 7, 2009 at 7:38 am

    Love those Cheetos. Have a small bag at least every 2 or three months whether I need them or not. Also put them in my “trash” mix I make in the Fall. Mmmm… 😀


  14. 16 Savannah Guy September 7, 2009 at 8:11 am

    I would never profess to know more about baseball than the venerable Bobby Cox

    Nor would I, Gil. Cox is a walking baseball encyclopedia, although his in-game management has gone the way of his knees. At this point in his career he would be a much greater help moving out of the dugout and into the front office. I’d like to see him in charge of player recruitment and development.

    He could use his immense talent and “third eye” to spot the diamonds in the rough, but at his age and with mobility becoming more of an issue every day, that may be difficult. In which case, he could manage the program and let others execute, but that may not be his forte… managing others. To successfully manage the managers he has to have good managers and coaches out in the field.

    Since his first group of team coaches he had by his side through the glory years have all gone, I haven’t been impressed with their replacements or his overall management of them. Not that I have any inside knowledge or sit in the clubhouse mind you… and a great starting lineup with dependable hitting will make any coach or manager look like a genius. Granted, our roster does not allow Bobby that distinction any longer. I just base my opinion on what I see and results.

    However deep the knowledge of leaders and managers, how vast their experience, how beautiful their strategy or even how impressive their history of success, we must occasionally look at their current results. (With apologies to Winston Churchill).


  15. 17 Savannah Guy September 7, 2009 at 8:34 am




  16. 18 Voice of Raisins September 7, 2009 at 11:31 am

    What he said…


  17. 19 berigan2electricboogaloo September 7, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    I’m laboring on labor day! 😉


  18. 20 Voice of Raisins September 7, 2009 at 4:37 pm

    Not in labor, I hope!?! 😯


  19. 21 Savannah Guy September 7, 2009 at 5:56 pm

    CL, just happened to notice, that should be spelled Jurrjens in the photo caption. Popsicle for me? 😀


  20. 22 Gil in Mechanicsville September 7, 2009 at 6:37 pm

    Wouldn’t you know it, the whole world is a copy editor… 🙂


  21. 23 Carolina Lady September 7, 2009 at 6:38 pm

    SG, looks like JuRRgens to me! What you lookin’ at?! You need to get a real computer!



  22. 24 Carolina Lady September 7, 2009 at 6:39 pm

    Amen, Brother Gil!!!



  23. 25 Gil in Mechanicsville September 7, 2009 at 6:40 pm

    And the chief is on it as we write…


  24. 26 Gil in Mechanicsville September 7, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    Does anyone else long for the days when the election season began on Labor Day and ended on the second Tuesday in November? Now it begins on the 2nd Tuesday and never ends….. Personally, I think it’s just a scheme to sell more ad time on TV….

    Sooooo, the White House says it’s going to push back against the news organizations they don’t like? What, no pay for play? Wake up Obama, you’re not in Chicago anymore….


  25. 27 Gil in Mechanicsville September 8, 2009 at 6:32 am

    Now, non politics…..

    Rough week for the ACC teams. Looks to be a long season ahead for UVa. They are playing a lot like Duke… only different.

    The writing was on the wall for Va Tech against BAMA. It was pretty apparent they would fall in the fourth quarter. Still, they had a chance. Just goes to show that you can win using smoke and mirrors as long as there is enough smoke…

    And baseball, well… I am glad the new TV season is about to start, gives me something to watch until spring training begins. I am just not that big a fan of football. Too much showboating for my taste. The chest thumping and strutting is more suited to Pro Wrestling if you ask me. I think the end for me was when Jack Kent Cook passed away and the Skins were sold to a megalomaniac.

    Little know fact… Did you know that the month of August is the only month of the year without a major holiday? Not to be deter by this fact, my Union, in out ever reaching effort to do less work for more pay, negotiated one into our contract. The first Friday in August became an official plant holiday. We dubbed it St DuPont’s Day… A bit sacrilegious I know but still, it was a good day…. Nothing like having your own holiday. Fortunately, it didn’t exactly catch on nationally.

    In other news…. it is very damp here. Rain seems to have become stationary. Good for the grass though.


  26. 28 Gil in Mechanicsville September 8, 2009 at 6:34 am

    Chest thumping… Now I realize why I don’t like basketball either….. I think I see a pattern developing. Hummmm…


  27. 29 Gil in Mechanicsville September 8, 2009 at 6:35 am

    Can you imagine a baseball player doing that? Would likely result in a 95mph fast ball in his ear hole…


  28. 30 Voice of Raisins September 8, 2009 at 8:00 am

    I do like football, especially the college game. For the most part, I can watch most games whether I have a rooting interest or not. In fact, I stayed up ’til midnight watching Miami and Florida State last night. Although I was afraid I might turn into a pumpkin, I did not; and the game was terrific. FSU was down 4 points with less than 2 minutes; drove it to the 2 with 5 seconds left; QB rolls right… open receiver… catchable if not great pass… bobbled in the end zone… close enough for review with :00 left on the clock… no catch… the U wins. Much natural drama and emotion. That’s why I love it.

    That said, it could be a long season for my beloved Bulldogs. Joe Cox better make a dramatic jump, or they better find a QB who’ll step up. Cox looked mighty overmatched on Saturday…


  29. 31 Voice of Raisins September 8, 2009 at 8:39 am

    Microcosm of the Braves in September:

    Hope misplaced. Kinda like Obama’s economic plan, just different…


  30. 32 berigan2electricboogaloo September 8, 2009 at 9:35 am

    Cox looked mighty overmatched on Saturday…

    V! Welcome to our side! 😀
    Now, we just need to work on that sweet lil tree hugger that posts here…. 😉


  31. 33 Gil in Mechanicsville September 8, 2009 at 10:28 am

    And mirrors… forgot you need the mirrors… especially those one’s that make you look skinny… Like photoshop, but different.

    What’s the old adage, don’t believe anything you read and only half of what you see? So, time for me to change avatars? One with me in my “Skinny jeans”?


  32. 34 berigan2electricboogaloo September 8, 2009 at 10:40 am

    sure Gil give the ladies a thrill!!! 🙂


  33. 35 Gil in Mechanicsville September 8, 2009 at 10:46 am

    It will take a while for it to load…. ROFLMAO……

    Thrill as in “Thriller” 🙂


  34. 36 Gil in Mechanicsville September 8, 2009 at 10:47 am

    A little MJ music in the background please…. 🙂


  35. 37 Gil in Mechanicsville September 8, 2009 at 10:53 am

    Okay, rain or no, I have several things to do this morning, Off to the dump, then the Goodwill… Tough sometimes trying to decide what to leave where… The to Kroger’s (old folks day on Tuesday) 5% is 5%…

    Did I mention the wife got me a brand new baseball cap yesterday? Yep, a bright red cap with a big curly W on it. Go Nats…. 🙂 Hey, we’re only 29 games out of first… At least you know this team is bad, not like they are going to tease you or anything… And they know they are bad too, not like they are deluding themselves into thinking otherwise.


  36. 38 berigan2electricboogaloo September 8, 2009 at 10:58 am

    Gil, senior day at Kroger here in the burbs of the ATL is Wednesday! Weird, wonder why they do that???

    The Nats have a better offense, thats for sure.
    29 out with only 25-26 to play, eh??? 🙂


  37. 39 flbravesgirl September 8, 2009 at 1:31 pm

    I’m sure my dad will be looking for a senior discount at Ingles. No Kroger in Rabun.

    I’m revising my list of cakes, cookies, etc. so I can print up new ones & hopefully get people thinking ahead towards the holidays. Any suggestions?


  38. 40 Voice of Raisins September 8, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    How’d we miss this? JHey was promoted Saturday to AAA Gwinnett for their trek into the playoffs.

    Single A – been there, done that, killed ’em
    AA – see above, and done
    AAA – time to shine, no looking back


  39. 42 Voice of Raisins September 8, 2009 at 2:36 pm


    –SS Yunel Escobar is aiming to return to the lineup on Tuesday in Houston, but the right ankle sprain that forced him out of the Sept. 4 game against the Reds has morphed into a pain in his right heel.


  40. 43 berigan2electricboogaloo September 8, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    FBG, baked a cake for my Dad today, cuz it’s his birthday! 🙂
    78!!!!! 😯 I remember thinking he was old when he was 48, since most of my friends Fathers were about 10 years younger than mine. They go up so fast these days….
    FBG, you do know Red Velvet Cake is quite popular in the south, don’t ya???? Shoot, maybe it’s big in Florida as well, but I never heard of it in Jacksonville….


  41. 44 berigan2electricboogaloo September 8, 2009 at 2:46 pm

    V, I had read that a few days ago…meant to post it here, but forgot….

    Even though he had his struggles at AA(Still hit .352 I think) I’d love to see say JHey kid ® get the lion share of playing time in left right about now…funk soul brother.
    Have I said that before??? sigh…getting…what’s it called???


  42. 45 flbravesgirl September 8, 2009 at 2:49 pm

    Uh, Ber, look at my avatar. Red Velvet is, has been & always will be on my list. Made one last month for Grinch’s birthday.


  43. 46 Voice of Raisins September 8, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    One positive thing to come out of the Bulldogs loss this weekend is that there are alot more people piling on JOE Cox and alot less piling on BOBBY Cox. But, the week is young… 😐


  44. 47 berigan2electricboogaloo September 8, 2009 at 4:29 pm

    FBG, oh…. 😳
    Told ya I was getting…ummm, something…


  45. 48 Voice of Raisins September 8, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    2night’s lineup:

    Aw… does it matter?

    OK. 😐

    1-9 Braves


  46. 49 Voice of Raisins September 8, 2009 at 6:24 pm

    Alright, alright…

    1. Sore Hamstring, CF
    2. Dizzy, 2B
    3. Not so Chipper, 3B
    4. McCan’t, C
    5. Old dude, LF
    6. Bad Ankle, SS
    7. Bad Hip, 1B
    8. Bad Back, RF
    9. Pitching my butt off and not getting any support, P


  47. 50 Voice of Raisins September 8, 2009 at 6:25 pm

    Should have read:

    4. McCan’t see, C


  48. 51 berigan2electricboogaloo September 8, 2009 at 6:25 pm

    V, 😆


  49. 52 Voice of Raisins September 8, 2009 at 6:26 pm

    And the sad thing is, you all know exactly who I am referring to…


  50. 53 berigan2electricboogaloo September 8, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    Americans would be fined up to $3,800 for failing to buy health insurance under a plan that circulated in Congress on Tuesday as President Barack Obama met Democratic leaders to search for ways to salvage his health care overhaul.



  51. 54 Carolina Lady September 8, 2009 at 6:40 pm

    Raisins, thanks for the smile! Funny!


  52. 55 flbravesgirl September 9, 2009 at 12:35 am

    Heck of a pitching performance for Vazquez. I hope we hold onto him.


  53. 56 Gil in Mechanicsville September 9, 2009 at 5:21 am

    I think they should re-sign Rochie too….


  54. 57 Voice of Raisins September 9, 2009 at 8:25 am

    As much as I cringe at the thought of Chipper tearing something while stretching to take a throw, I think it may be time for him to move across the diamond. He still makes the occasional “Chipper” kinda play, but his defense has declined sharply. And we don;t even need to talk about his hitting. Thank goodness his Dad is in town and was at the game last night. We’ll get this whole hittin’ thing straightened out now.

    Back to 1B… hear me out on this…

    Chipper still has 2 years left on that extension he signed prior to this season. Wow… 2 more years of the decline we witnessed this season. Then what? What will we have at 3B? Now, at 1B, we have a young stud coming up that still needs at least one more season in the minors, and maybe 2. Or, maybe 1 more season, and giving a venerable veteran a day or 2 off here and there. Following me? The rest of Chipper’s contract and Freddie’s arrival could line up nicely.

    Take whatever FA money and/or trade candidates and find a young 3B. Honestly, the 1B options are few and far between, with Rochey being among the best. He’ll get better money and more years elsewhere, IMO. I don’t want to go acquire a retread when we have one of those in house. (That wasn’t nice, was it?)

    I’ll examine 3B options in a minute… after I take the dog out. He’s whining at me pretty loudly… 😀


  55. 58 Voice of Raisins September 9, 2009 at 8:58 am

    OK… first, let’s look at a few 1B options, so that we can all agree that they suck.

    Top 3 1B options:

    Nick Johnson – little power, high OBP. Been there, done that.
    Rochey – we know all about him.
    Russell Branyan – hot start, ran out of steam. Has come back to earth.

    Then you have a mish-mosh of has beens and wanna be’s.

    Now, top 3 at 3B:

    OK… they all suck, too. Gotta go the trade rout.

    Let’s take a little lookey at the Brewers… the pitching starved Brewers. They have a guy there this year named Casey McGehee, who is only 26, and is batting .295 with 13 HR’s and 50 RBI in just 93 games. Then there’s 23 year old Mat Gamel. While he may be short one “t” in his name, he isn’t short on talent. He is considered one of the Brewers “untouchables”. He is MLB’s #23 overall prospect who hit 11 HR’s in 75 games at AAA this season. He led the Southern League in RBIs, total bases and extra-base hits, he also finished second in average, fourth in OPS and fifth in slugging. It seems even more impressive when considering he played the last two months with a bad elbow and he hit .243 in July and .205 in August. He has better than average power to all fields.

    So, is Gamel a possibility or not? And if not, what about McGehee?

    All I know is that the Brewers have a surplus at 3B, Braves have a surplus at SP. Why not hook up?


  56. 59 berigan2electricboogaloo September 9, 2009 at 9:15 am

    Greetings to all and one!
    I caught the last few innings of the game last night. Amazing those 2 teams could only combine for 2 runs, in that park.
    Soriano and Gonzo had ZERO zip on their heaters. And that is with rest. They were both topping out at about 91…yikes!
    Glad to see they got the win, and Javy won one of those low scoring games.


  57. 60 berigan2electricboogaloo September 9, 2009 at 9:39 am

    V, interesting topic…I don’t know if switching Chipper to first is a solution or not…but you know…how many 37 year olds(38 next year) play 3rd??? 1st makes some sense.
    What has happened with LaRoche here is what I suspected…well, that’s not true. I figured he’d hit .270 and hit some homers, not hit 9 in 34 games. Still only projects to have 26 Hr and 76 RBI’s for the year.
    Was it just seeing everyone and his brother traded in Pittsburgh??? He does better in a playoff race??? I just don’t know that he’s worth 10+ Mil he will likely ask for and get.
    Gamel is no possiblity if the ultra cheap Brewers (Who still draw tons of fans, yet act like they are a tiny market with no money to spend) wouldn’t trade him for Halladay(which would have put them in the hunt if not the lead for the central-at the time at least)McGehee on the other hand….they really don’t need him, do they with Gamel on the way? Braun was a 3rd baseman originally, and moved to the outfield, so it seems they have more than enough 3rd basemans on the roster.
    But…who are you suggesting we trade??? Javy??? Lowe???


  58. 61 Gil in Mechanicsville September 9, 2009 at 9:55 am

    Braves would have to pick up part of his salary in order to trade Lowe. I just don’t think other teams would be willing to pay him that much money. The Braves were a bit more desperate so agreed to take the payroll hit.

    Too bad Kelly Johnson can’t hit for Bobby Cox, then Pardao could play third….

    Spring training should be interesting next year, I look for Heyward and Schaffer to both make an impact. So that would leave out Church and move Matt back to the role of fourth outfielder.

    For sure the Braves need some offense to go with their pitching.


  59. 62 Voice of Raisins September 9, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    I look for Heyward and Schaffer to both make an impact.

    Schafer may need to remain in AAA for a while. He has missed alot of time since ’08 – 50 game suspension in ’08, injuries in ’09, and has probably been set back in his development. He also will miss the AFL this year. I’d love to see him ready for ’10, but I’m not so optimistic.


  60. 63 Carolina Lady September 9, 2009 at 6:42 pm

    Just realized that today is 09-09-09.

    Ya been waitin’ all day for that, haven’t you?! 😆


  61. 64 Carolina Lady September 9, 2009 at 7:34 pm

    Rosenthal has an interesting article on Hudson – if you haven’t already seen it.


  62. 65 Salty September 9, 2009 at 7:57 pm

    Church or Anderson as the back-up outfielder/PH…take your pick…I’d prob’ly go with Church. Sign LaRoche…the market’s right for getting a player at a discount to 2-3 years ago. We’re all for J-Hey…let’s use Freeman as insurance for LaRoche or trade-bait.


  63. 66 berigan2electricboogaloo September 9, 2009 at 10:25 pm

    Salty, sounds good…
    you know what doesn’t sound good??? Taking out Tommy Hanson with 98 pitches after 8, after mowing down the last 7 hitters. Soriano had more zip than the night before, but still, just…stupid.


  64. 67 berigan2electricboogaloo September 9, 2009 at 10:28 pm

    At the beginning of the game they showed Chipper in the last 21 games was .116!! McCann the same thing the last 11 games, something like .119. They both went 0-4 tonight.
    So I guess they are both hitting about .100 in their streaks. How is that even possible???
    Can’t blame the super swell hitting coach.


  65. 68 berigan2electricboogaloo September 9, 2009 at 10:31 pm

    Joe just said Tommy didn’t get a chance to lose his own game.
    Boog said 1-4 in last 5 games, yet only given up 13 runs.


  66. 69 flbravesgirl September 10, 2009 at 12:29 am

    😡 😥 😡 😥


  67. 70 Gil in Mechanicsville September 10, 2009 at 3:41 am

    Yep, I watched the last 4 innings, Tommy was the bomb… Somehow I knew the Braves were going to lose however when the took him out after 8, he still looked sharp.

    Now, in all fairness, your closer is suppose to be able to hold this type of game but not when your arm is about to fall off…. Even the best horse can win when he’s been raced too often.

    Chipper and BMac look worn down… Sad….


  68. 71 Salty September 10, 2009 at 6:02 am

    Cox said, “You always want your closer to start a clean inning.

    I cannot stand Bobby’s ‘book’! 😡 Enough is enough. I’ve been a fan a long time…now, I honestly do not care. Last night was the first time I’ve watched in two weeks…will be the last time this year. If Bobby returns…and if Chipper doesn’t turn it up and get himself in shape, I’ll have plenty of time on my hands next season.


  69. 72 Gil in Mechanicsville September 10, 2009 at 9:52 am

    I’m thinking I might have an extra $200 next year because I can’t see paying for Extra Innings just to see such debacles. I can watch Washington stink up the joint for free… 🙂


  70. 73 Gil in Mechanicsville September 10, 2009 at 9:57 am

    Hummm, It’s 10 AM already… I had several possibilities on my agenda for today and now I think I’ll just be lazy and do nothing. Well, it’s what us old tired retired folks do. Can’t hew down trees everyday.


  71. 74 Voice of Raisins September 10, 2009 at 10:21 am

    Read into it what you will, but I was pissed when Bobby yanked Hanson last night, and am still pissed today. Hanson had that game in hand. It was a beauty and it was his. It was taken from him…


  72. 76 Voice of Raisins September 10, 2009 at 10:58 am

    Something like that…


  73. 77 Voice of Raisins September 10, 2009 at 11:00 am

    The dark side looks crowded…


  74. 78 Voice of Raisins September 10, 2009 at 11:11 am

    I will not say negative things about him, nor will I pile on him after games, but he has lost me. That was the single most puzzling thing I have ever seen. Hanson looked better in the 8th than he did all game. That was a game that should have been a watershed moment for a young ace-in-waiting. It should have been a game we all talk about to our kids when describing how we got to see Tommy Hanson in his rookie season. Instead, it’s just another nail in the coffin. It was disturbing and painful…


  75. 79 Voice of Raisins September 10, 2009 at 11:12 am

    And now I am done…


  76. 80 Carolina Lady September 10, 2009 at 11:13 am

    Changing the subject! Don’t know how much into basketball y’all are, but here is a neat article from the local paper about Michael Jordan, also a local when he was growing up.

    By Chuck Carree
    Published: Wednesday, September 9, 2009 at 11:27 p.m.

    I knew Michael Jordan was incomparable when I covered him some in high school.

    He scored 35 points for Laney in one half and the quarters were only eight minutes long.

    He poured in 40 points on Goldsboro his junior season.

    You get the point.

    For the StarNews’ coverage leading to his induction into the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame, I contacted several people to trigger my memory and shed new light.

    Jordan’s prep coach, Pop Herring, deserves abundant credit for the vision to play him at guard, despite remarkable leaping ability that would have made him more of a forward.

    Prep coaches often put the well-being of the team before what’s best for a special talent, yet Herring was the first to tell me about Jordan’s extraordinary intensity and competitiveness.

    Back then, a rival coach also hinted to our newspaper that Laney had a junior varsity player named Jordan with immense potential.

    As a writer, I only remember significant details, such as when I saw him take off at the foul line and glide in for a dunk. Julius Erving was the only other player I had seen do that.

    “I went to one of Michael’s games his senior year and his hang time was off the charts,’’ recruiting analyst Bob Gibbons told me.

    Cedric Dickerson, a friend, also pointed out Jordan had massive hands, similar to Dr. J’s.

    A year later, he saw in publications where Jordan was among the top players in the nation.

    Jordan earned co-MVP at the prestigious Five-Star Camp in the summer of 1980 and later signed with North Carolina. Initially, Jordan had attended the UNC camp, and Tar Heels coaches lined up an invitation for him to Five-Star.

    He met future teammate, roommate and lifelong friend Buzz Peterson at the UNC camp in 1980.

    Peterson did not see Jordan play there, but heard from one of his high school teammates Jordan could catch the alley-oop.

    Peterson finally saw Jordan play when they participated in the Capital Classic in the D.C. area.

    After Jordan hit the shot to win the national championship as a freshman, Peterson said Jordan’s confidence soared.

    He knew Jordan was special the summer before their sophomore year when he dominated UNC alums in pickup games.

    “We knew he was the best player in the country then,’’ Peterson said.

    As a junior, Jordan won National Player of the Year and left for the NBA.

    Coach Dean Smith, according to Peterson, taught Jordan teamwork and team defense, which prepared him for a once-in-a-generation NBA career.

    “Michael had a mental toughness about him,’’ Peterson said. “It is a gift. The closest to having that mental toughness is Tiger Woods.’’

    They were roommates two of Jordan’s three years at UNC.

    Peterson, now in his second go as Appalachian State coach, will attend the Hall of Fame ceremony Friday. I will cover the event, which means I have come full circle with Jordan, who always drew capacity crowds as a Laney senior.

    I remember fans had to show up two hours before games or fire marshals would not let them in.

    “I remember I used to call my boys and tell them you have to come see Jordan play,’’ Dickerson said. “He was as special as anybody I have ever seen.’’

    Staff writer Chuck Carree can be reached at 343-2262 or chuck.carree@



  77. 81 flbravesgirl September 10, 2009 at 12:48 pm

    I tend to be optimistic about the Braves. ‘Til they’re eliminated, I don’t give up the last shred of hope. But last night the fat lady polished her horned helmet & took her cue at center stage. I will always respect Bobby for all that he has done but it’s time to retire to the farm. I knew as soon as he took Tommy out that we’d lose.


  78. 82 Carolina Lady September 10, 2009 at 2:45 pm

    “I will always respect Bobby for all that he has done but it’s time to retire to the farm. I knew as soon as he took Tommy out that we’d lose.”

    FBG, I 100% agree. If ALL of us knew it, surely Wren & Co know it, too.


  79. 83 Gil in Mechanicsville September 10, 2009 at 3:33 pm

    Howdy, back from doing nothing… 🙂

    Great article on MJ CL… Always one of my favorites. And I saw Dr J when he was in the ABA and could soar high above the rim. That was back when I like basketball, before all the thugs were recruited… Well, except for Miami, but that is another story..

    And all great coaches finally have to pack it in. Sparky Anderson, Earl Weaver, Ralph Houlk. I think it’s time….. 😦


  80. 84 Gil in Mechanicsville September 10, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    And I think the Braves will show a little class and let Bobby make the decision “in the best interest of the organization” type of thing… Hopefully not the fiasco of Smoltz or Glavin.. Not that the Braves weren’t right. The guy deserves to be allow to leave with dignity, otherwise, he will be fired in the first month of the 2010 season… Just saying…


  81. 85 Carolina Lady September 10, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    Gil, I truly do hope that Bobby retires with the dignity and respect due to him.

    Next question: who should be the new boss??

    Please! Nobody say TP!!!!! No! Nada! Nyet! I have no faith in the man now!

    So – WHO?


  82. 86 Voice of Raisins September 10, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    You know… there are a number of candidates… not necessarily GOOD candidates, but a number of candidates nonetheless. Here’s the thing… no matter who it is, they have mighty large spikes to fill. Say what you want about the man currently at the helm, but he is a legend in this town. Nobody wants to be the guy who follows the legend. You want to be the guy who follows the guy who follows the legend. I wonder if that will cause some decent candidates to shy away…


  83. 87 Salty September 10, 2009 at 4:40 pm

    Eddie Perez…Eddie Perez….Eddie Perez

    Those are my three nominees! :mrgreen:

    Get Pat Corrales back down here as bench coach. Bye, Chino. Roger can stay…he’s ok by me. Hitting coach? Hmmm…..hmmmm…what’s Paul Molitor doing these days?


  84. 88 Carolina Lady September 10, 2009 at 5:05 pm

    Salty, I also think Eddie would probably make a good skipper! The last photos I saw of him (taken a month or so ago) showed an enormous weight gain – so, I can’t help but wonder WHY.

    No, weight does not determine ability to manage a club or anything else, but it is saying something.

    Speaking of coaches, I get the feeling that the current coaches (Snitker et al minus Chino) are just marking time.

    Would I ever love to see Pat Corrales take the helm!

    Who else?

    Gotta think……


  85. 89 Salty September 10, 2009 at 5:19 pm

    By the way, Raisins…when Bobby pulled Hanson, I turned off the telly and went to sleep. I just knew what the headlines would be in the AJC this morning. If only I could be so prophetic with lottery numbers, etc.! 🙄



  86. 90 Salty September 10, 2009 at 9:33 pm

    One night an 87 year old woman came home from Bingo to find her 92year old husband in bed with another woman. She became violent and ended up pushing him off the balcony of their 20th floor assisted living apartment . Killing him instantly.

    Brought before the court on charge of murder, the judge asked her if she had anything to say in her defense. She began coolly, “Yes, your honor, I figured that at 92, if he could have sex … He could fly”


  87. 92 Savannah Guy September 10, 2009 at 11:29 pm

    Sitting high atop midtown Atlanta, just as the Braves (finally) finish the game as winners.

    Got caught in the “midtown meltdown” this afternoon as I was leaving the office. Tech v Clemson traffic jam. More like a parking lot. A usual 10-minute drive to the home away from home took almost an hour. Salty must be glued to the game there.

    You guys perfectly summed up my sentiments about Hanson not coming out to finish last night’s game, especially with him pitching so well and with relatively few pitches thrown… low 90’s I think. Plus, it would’ve been the first full game shutout of the year for our starters. Those are the big, little things that make team memories, especially in his remarkable rookie season and in this weirdly botched season. Oh, well. Just adds more should’a, could’a, would’a to the whole thing.

    Next skipper? Hmmm… I’ll have to think on that. Perez would be a perfect interim manager, not sure of the long-term. Raisins is correct about the manager that that follows the manager that follows Cox.

    Here’s my wish: Wren & Co. choose someone that has proven MANAGING experience, with the skill set that excels in strategy, tactics, recruiting, mentoring and clubhouse leadership without a sentimental bias towards ex Braves.

    CL, good stuff on Jordan. When he retired, I retired from watching the NBA, but not because he retired. MJ was great fun to watch and I was an MJ fan… he just happened to retire when the game was about to be dominated by criminals and thugs. Gone were the days of Byrd, Magic, Chamberlain, West, Jabbar, et al. And Isiah Thomas… but now, oh, the humanity! Gil, Dr. J was the man. Pete Maravitch was a pretty amazing guy too. Cut short.

    Gil, your “doing nothing” comment reminded me of a joke I saw recently that I’ll try to recap without screwing it up too badly…

    A wife asked her retired husband what he was doing. He said, “nothing”. She said, sarcastically, “I thought you did that yesterday”. He said, “I wasn’t finished”.

    It went something like that. The original was funnier.

    Off to the big white envelope… g’nite.


  88. 93 Carolina Lady September 10, 2009 at 11:39 pm

    “I wasn’t finished.” LOVE it!!


  89. 94 flbravesgirl September 10, 2009 at 11:39 pm

    It won’t be easy for whoever’s next. Sorta like Manatee High; it’s tough being the new football coach when they just named the field after the man you’re replacing. It won’t come as a surprise that I tell you that the successor didn’t last long.


  90. 95 Gil in Mechanicsville September 11, 2009 at 7:43 am

    Personally, I still like Grady Little…

    However, It’ll be some new guy who will work cheap.

    Rumor has it that Larussa is on the outs with management at St Louis… Of course he would not have Fat Albert…


  91. 96 Gil in Mechanicsville September 11, 2009 at 7:45 am

    But all those guys are white. The next manager of the Braves will be a black man… bet on it….


  92. 97 Gil in Mechanicsville September 11, 2009 at 7:47 am

    Political correctness trumps competency today in any workplace… Just saying…


  93. 98 Savannah Guy September 11, 2009 at 8:21 am

    Never, ever, ever forget.

    My prayer today: God bless all of those innocent people who were violently, mercilessly robbed of their lives on September 11, 2001. God bless those brave policemen and firefighters that gave their lives attempting to save others that fateful day. God bless those brave troops that continue to put themselves in harms way defending America and protecting freedom around the world. God bless our fallen and wounded soldiers. God bless and comfort the families of those slain innocent, of those heroes that died trying to rescue them and our freedom fighters.

    God strengthen us and support our champions as we fight against corruption, evil and tyranny at home and abroad.

    And never forget!


  94. 99 Savannah Guy September 11, 2009 at 8:43 am

    From ajc:

    “I’m certainly not going to stick around for a big contract if I’m not having fun and not producing,” said Jones, hitting nearly 100 points lower than his .364 in 2008. “I’m not saying I’m retiring at the end of this year or the end of next year, but if I become an average player, I’m not sticking around.

    “I’m not going to hamstring the ballclub with the money I’m making, and I’m not going to be happy being a mediocre player.”

    I’m glad to hear this from Chipper and respect him more for saying it. Not many players would walk away from a lucrative contract and leave millions on the table due to their own performance results. Admirable.


  95. 100 Voice of Raisins September 11, 2009 at 8:44 am

    Just a quick thought on the Bobby Cox situation. I have been a staunch defender of Mr. Cox because no matter how you want to spin it, he was the manager of a team that one 14 straight division titles, best in any sport in history. He didn’t just show up and let the team perform while he fiddled in the tower. He was a part of it – an important ingredient. There is a difference in him now, and I mean more than just results or seemingly bizarre decisions.

    Bobby looks tired and doesn’t look as though he still carries the passion he always had. He may say he does, but his appearance belies his words. I can’t help but wonder if there is more at play.

    One of the items mentioned when Liberty bought this club was the “stability” of management. Notice that John Schuerholz is still with the club in an upper management capacity. I think there is at least the possibility that Bobby may still be here because Liberty doesn’t want to make any major changes prior to their flipping of the team. Perhaps a gentleman’s agreement. Bobby doesn’t really look like he wants to be there sometimes.

    Just a thought… I could be way off.

    I am even considering deleting this whole thing before I hit “Sub


  96. 101 Voice of Raisins September 11, 2009 at 8:44 am




  97. 102 Voice of Raisins September 11, 2009 at 8:49 am

    More Chipper:

    “For me at this point, I’m on a year-to-year personal schedule,” Jones said Thursday. “Contract status is not going to dictate how long I play.”

    “The day I become mediocre on a regular basis, I’m probably going to ride off into the sunset,” he said. “Because I don’t have fun playing the game at the level I’m playing at now.”



  98. 103 Voice of Raisins September 11, 2009 at 8:50 am

    That was a little SG-VOR tag team action!



  99. 104 Voice of Raisins September 11, 2009 at 9:04 am

    From Adam McCalvy, Milwaukee Brewers beat writer at MLB.com:

    Starting pitching

    The Brewers have fewer holes to fill than last year, when they faced the free agent losses of CC Sabathia and Ben Sheets. But the urgency to improve this group is much higher. The Brewers went into their off-day on Thursday with the National League’s worst starting rotation — a 5.22 ERA — and Melvin promised this week that he would be much more aggressive this winter in his search for answers.

    “We might take a little more chances and risks than we’re accustomed to taking,” Melvin told columnist Michael Hunt.

    When it was pointed out that the team also has holes in the field, Melvin responded, “We cannot be distracted by that. Our focus has to be pitching.”

    Infield corners

    In one corner, the Brewers will have to decide whether prospect Mat Gamel is ready for the third base job or whether Casey McGehee proved this season that he deserves the job for himself. Both have Minor League options, Melvin points out, and at the moment the Brewers are leaning toward making McGehee the everyday man.

    OK… they need starting pitching, we need a young 3B. Each team has a surplus from which to deal. Doug Melvin says he will be aggressive. I’ll bet Frank Wren could find a starter to spare if Mat Gamel, or even Casey McGehee were involved. In all seriousness, one of either Javy Vazquez or Tim Hudson will not be here next season. As important as his rebuilding of the pitching staff for 2009 was, his parlaying of the excess in 2010 may be just as important. Hudson should be extended, and JV should yield us at least one good young player.


  100. 105 Voice of Raisins September 11, 2009 at 9:21 am

    From Ken Rosenthal, Q&A with Bud Selig:

    Q: The collective-bargaining agreement expires after the 2011 season. Looking forward, do you have to tweak it to further enhance competitive balance?

    A: Yes. There’s no question. In everything in life, you have to tweak. You know there’s no question that I think we need a slotting system for the draft. We need a worldwide draft.

    You asked about competitive balance. (The securing of amateur talent) is the major vehicle for clubs today to build for the future. My theory is that it shouldn’t only be about money, it should be about management. We need to change the draft. I understand it won’t be easy. But I also think it’s imperative. It’s imperative for the health of the game. I feel very strongly about that.

    Q: How much would fixing the draft alone help?

    A: I think a lot. The draft from time to time has wavered from (its original purpose). The draft should be to level the playing field. Everybody knows that. There ought to be a spirit of fairness. We need to do that. I have a lot of faith in the clubs’ ability to draft. But those are two major changes (slotting and the worldwide draft) that I believe for the health of the sport must happen.

    I think Selig is a boob for the most part, but he is dead on with these answers. Money and signability have warped the balance of the draft. Slotting would allow teams like the Royals and Pirates to draft the actual top amateur players based on talent, not on dollars. It really is the only way these teams can build from within so that they might sustain any success. As it currently stands, “small market” teams have to look at the top player’s agent and demands, and not his talents and abilities. Also, implementing hard slotting would insure that the name Scott Boras would no longer have an affect on the draft order, as it currently does.


  101. 106 Salty September 11, 2009 at 10:04 am

    I think Selig is a boob for the most part, but he is dead on with these answers.

    Blind squirrel syndrome….


  102. 107 Voice of Raisins September 11, 2009 at 10:08 am

    The entire inaugural Gwinnett Braves regular season came and went without me taking in a single game, and they’re only a half hour from home. Shame on me. Now they have played, and lost, the first two games of their best-of-5 first round playoff series with Scranton-Wilkes Barre. Likely they will not be back home.

    Dang! I can’t believe I didn’t take my family to at least one game. 😐

    If they make it back for a game 5, I gotta figure out a way to get there…


  103. 108 Voice of Raisins September 11, 2009 at 10:11 am

    Whoa! The Coast Guard has fired on a “suspicious” boat in the Potomac River in DC!!!!!!


  104. 109 Voice of Raisins September 11, 2009 at 10:50 am

    Coast Guard Conducts Training Exercise on Potomac
    Coast Guard Chief Keith Moore said Friday no shots were fired as part of the exercise. Media reports suggested shots had been fired in the river.

    In an incident that sparked a brief panic on the same day mourners marked the anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, the Coast Guard was conducting a training exercise in the Potomac River moments before President Obama and his motorcade crossed a nearby bridge.

    Sheer brilliance to conduct this “exercise” on this date this close to a ceremony with PresBO in attendance with all of the media in close proximity. 🙄


  105. 110 Salty September 11, 2009 at 11:46 am

    Sheer brilliance

    Someone’s hitting the ‘stupid’ pills hard!!!!


  106. 111 Carolina Lady September 11, 2009 at 12:03 pm

    SG, a powerful video! Thanks!!

    9/11/01 was our Pearl Harbor. None of us will ever forget where we were and what we were doing when it began.

    President Bush: “I have a message for our military: Be ready!”

    President Obama: Visiting all of our enemies, telling the world how “arrogant America has been”, bowing to Arab leaders, etc etc etc.

    Total change of subject: the local paper has a lot of continuing coverage of Michael Jordan and there is a neat video on “this page” .


  107. 112 Gil in Mechanicsville September 11, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    I wonder if they have any Coast Guard stations in Iowa which is where that particular Captain is going to be posted to next week….

    Good to hear Chipper being honest. No, it’s not very much fun when you have lost your edge….

    I once asked my Dad why he retired as he had a great paying job and a good schedule. He said he knew it was time to go when he felt bad everytime he went in the gate and good everytime he left.

    Yep, I’ve been their and done that… And SG.. You’re welcome… 42 years worth of public service for me…. And I knew when to leave that too….


  108. 113 obcbeatle September 11, 2009 at 12:41 pm

    Whoever replaces Bobby, I hope they manage the pitching staff better. I’d like to see a new Braves manager that knows when a pitcher is fatigued, and knows when to yank, and just as important, knows when NOT to yank. Apparently this is not an easy skill to learn in MLB 🙂

    And to Voice of Raisens, gotta’ love college football! Now that the Braves are out of the hunt I can concentrate on SEC football. I love this time of year, although I’d love it more if the Braves were contending. But even with all the swagger of football there is just something about college football that out shines pro football. Last night I had the choice of watching the the first game of the NFL season, or watching the Yellow Jackets and Clemson. A no brainer for me, and what a great college football game it was. So much more exciting than the NFL. GT dominates the first quarter with some interesting play calling and loks like they’re gonna’ roll all over Clemson. Momentum changes and Clemson dominates the third quarter and look like they might roll over GT. GT wins late in the game with a field goal. And I’m a UGA alumn and a die hard Dawgs fan, but still enjoyed watching this game! There is just something about college football where a freshman can completely turn the game around with either a boner play or a gem play. You just never know.

    As for the Dawgs, hope the defense can hold em’ and cause some turnovers. Otherwise, it could be a 0-2 start. Ouch! Hate to even think about it! I think the Dawgs will win a close low scoring contest.

    Back to the Braves, not sure what to make of Chipper’s recent comments. I know he is down since he isn’t contributing. I wonder if he will retire after this year?


  109. 114 Salty September 11, 2009 at 12:58 pm

    I hate phantom holding calls! 😡
    Two consecutive years…same type play…same point in the game! 😡

    But…I’ll move on! 😆


  110. 115 Voice of Raisins September 11, 2009 at 1:16 pm

    ocb: Yes, I love this time of year. I, too, wish the Braves were pushing toward October, but, eh… it is what it is…

    Before long, NBA and NHL camps will be in full swing and we’l be in sports overload. Ahhhh… I can think of worse things.

    Oh, and welcome aboard, ocb; welcome to our small town square of fandom.

    Salty… I missed the game, but knew you would not. As a UGA fan, I had no particular rooting interest for or against either team, but hope the game was a good’un.


  111. 116 Carolina Lady September 11, 2009 at 1:54 pm

    obcb, “Whoever replaces Bobby, I hope they manage the pitching staff better. I’d like to see a new Braves manager that knows when a pitcher is fatigued, and knows when to yank, and just as important, knows when NOT to yank.”

    100% agreed!

    (Glad to see you again! The ‘Welcome’ mat is always out!)


  112. 117 Voice of Raisins September 11, 2009 at 2:58 pm

    Congratulations to Jason Heyward – Baseball America’s Player of the year:



  113. 118 Carolina Lady September 11, 2009 at 3:17 pm

    That is terrific!!! Congratulations to a really fine young man!!


  114. 119 berigan2electricboogaloo September 11, 2009 at 4:21 pm

    Don’t have much to say today…but then again, when do I ever? 😛
    obcbeatle, glad to see you drop by again! Even if you do like football! 😉


  115. 120 Carolina Lady September 11, 2009 at 7:31 pm

    Jair is pitching tonight. One run or two? I’m guessing two.


  116. 123 Carolina Lady September 11, 2009 at 9:46 pm

    6th – the wheels coming off?


  117. 125 Carolina Lady September 11, 2009 at 9:52 pm


    I hope y’all are watching this!


  118. 126 Carolina Lady September 11, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    LaRussa goes to the mound for a looong conversation and the camera pans around the infield –

    Hubby is talking to whoever the Braves have on 1st (I forgot!) and SNITKER was talking to the batter!



  119. 127 Carolina Lady September 11, 2009 at 10:11 pm

    Has anyone else noticed the echo in here?? 😆


  120. 128 Carolina Lady September 11, 2009 at 10:47 pm

    So what else is new?

    Jurrgens pitches a GEM.
    Jurrgens gets ONE run support.(score 1-0)
    9th: Bobby brings in – Soriano!


  121. 130 Carolina Lady September 11, 2009 at 10:53 pm

    sigh – nobody will talk to me…. 😦


  122. 131 flbravesgirl September 11, 2009 at 11:18 pm

    Fantastic game. I did tremble a bit to see Soriano in there for the 9th.


  123. 132 flbravesgirl September 11, 2009 at 11:21 pm

    VOR, shame on you. Great ballpark at Gwinnett.


  124. 133 berigan2electricboogaloo September 12, 2009 at 3:20 am

    Heard part of the game…can’t believe Bobby brought in Soriano in a very near same situation. Bobby would have had to leave Atlanta on a rail if Soriano had failed again…


  125. 134 berigan2electricboogaloo September 12, 2009 at 3:42 am

    CL and Mr Beatle need to pick some lottery numbers, you guys more or less nailed it!


  126. 135 Gil in Mechanicsville September 12, 2009 at 4:52 am

    Yep, great game… I think everyone is a little gun shy in the ninth. Of course, that’s what you pay a guy $6 million dollars for. Too bad it’s to late for it to make a real difference. Rockies refuse to lose.


  127. 136 Gil in Mechanicsville September 12, 2009 at 5:26 am

    And it turns out that Michael Jordan is a smuck…. Who knew?


  128. 137 Savannah Guy September 12, 2009 at 8:54 am

    Jair painted another masterpiece last night. Wow, that kid is something else. Fortunately his hard fought shutout was saved. Had Hanson held onto the brush to paint the last stroke of his own Mona Lisa, she would’ve been given a big smile. Folks, we’ve seen two pitching masterpieces this week.

    A notable milestone: Jeter passes Gehrig with 2,722nd hit. Congrats to one of the best in the game.

    CL, had I known you would be watching the game, having a Caffeine-free Diet Coke down at Klobber’s Speakeasy I would’a come back here, uh, there… here. 😆

    And it turns out that Michael Jordan is a smuck…. Who knew?

    Did I miss something?


  129. 138 Savannah Guy September 12, 2009 at 8:56 am

    Makes me want a PB & Jelly sammich. 😆


  130. 139 Savannah Guy September 12, 2009 at 9:00 am

    Yep, I’ve been their and done that… And SG.. You’re welcome… 42 years worth of public service for me…. And I knew when to leave that too….

    Gil, you lost me there. Of what am I welcomed?


  131. 140 Gil in Mechanicsville September 12, 2009 at 9:51 am

    My mistake…


  132. 141 Gil in Mechanicsville September 12, 2009 at 9:52 am

    Speed reading is not an art form…


  133. 142 obcbeatle September 12, 2009 at 11:48 am

    Another gem by JJ. Geeze…with our starting staff, if we could’ve only averaged one to two more runs scored per game we’d be competing with the Phillies and Rockies. We’ve just left way too many runners on base this year. And seems like we’ve hit into a ton of double-plays. Team speed is a problem on O and D. And it’s so weird to see Chipper in such a hitting funk. Hopefully he’ll play tonight and finish with a flurry!


  134. 143 Salty September 12, 2009 at 12:03 pm

    Bases loaded situations alone this year would change the Braves record. I’ve said it before: never have I seen a team do so little with so much. When the bases are loaded, you just know they’re coming up empty…maybe one run on a really good night.

    I was in your neighborhood last night, Raisins. Was working the Dawg’s women’s soccer match. They have quite the facility there…impressive…neat atmosphere. I’ve always enjoyed Athens…so long as W/L’s aren’t factored in! 😆


  135. 144 Savannah Guy September 12, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    Right on, Beatle.

    Would be easy to imagine, even with mediocre hitting, being in the thick of it right now. I suppose it was inevitable that Chipper would have a bad year after so many good ones, all considered… but the poor hitting by almost everyone else this year is a mystery.

    With just a little better run support and a few less blown games by the pen and we’d have a few starters competing for the CY this year. A big bat at cleanup, even after the AS break and we’d be on top of the Phillies.

    Should’a, could’a, would’a stuff. It ain’t right, but it’s our 2009 Braves.


  136. 145 Carolina Lady September 12, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    Gil, “And it turns out that Michael Jordan is a smuck…. Who knew?”



  137. 146 Gil in Mechanicsville September 12, 2009 at 3:26 pm

    MJ pretty much dised everybody who he thought might have slighted him during his rise to Airdom…


  138. 147 Gil in Mechanicsville September 12, 2009 at 3:26 pm

    Okay, I will retreat back into my cave now…


  139. 148 Carolina Lady September 12, 2009 at 3:30 pm

    Hm. I took it to mean that they were the ones who spurred him on to do better. I hope that was it, anyway. 🙂


  140. 149 Carolina Lady September 12, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    I totally forgot it was an afternoon game! Just checked Gameday to see what had happened:
    Scoring Summary
    Bottom of 1st
    – Holliday singled to left, B.Ryan scored, Pujols to second.
    – Rasmus singled to center, Pujols scored, Holliday to second.

    Top of 2nd
    – Ad.LaRoche tripled to center, G.Anderson scored.
    T.Hudson homered to left on a 1-1 count, Ad.LaRoche scored.

    Top of 4th
    – N.McLouth singled to right, Y.Escobar scored, M.Diaz to third, T.Hudson to second.

    Bottom of 4th
    – Thurston doubled to right, Ankiel scored, Y.Molina to third.

    Top of 5th
    – Ad.LaRoche hit a sacrifice fly to left fielder Holliday, McCann scored.

    Bottom of 6th
    – DeRosa singled to center, Rasmus scored.

    Welcome back, Tim!


  141. 150 berigan2electricboogaloo September 12, 2009 at 7:09 pm

    Wow. The braves defense in the bottom of the 8th…I think thats the worst inning I have ever seen from them, ever.
    McCann still doesn’t know how to get down on his knees to keep balls from going thru his legs. Yunel had a hot shot go off his glove while playing in…could have been caught. Then a hot shot in on Chipper who I guess was playing in on the chance Lugo might bunt. Prado fields and makes the worst toss of a ball 6 feet I’ve ever seen…rolled it under Yunels glove. DeRosa stole 3rd off of the middle infielders not keeping him close.
    Prado missed tagging a guy headed for 2nd, run scored. Still, game is just 6-5 Cards….amazing…bases loaded, nobody out…will the braves score a run????


  142. 151 berigan2electricboogaloo September 12, 2009 at 7:12 pm

    And McCann drove the ball over the centerfielder, and drove in 2 runs!!! 7-6! Chipper hurt…something!!!

    !!! coming off my keyboard fast and furiously!!!!


  143. 152 berigan2electricboogaloo September 12, 2009 at 7:27 pm

    Braves win!!!! Just as I knew they would! 😛


  144. 153 Carolina Lady September 12, 2009 at 7:33 pm

    Braves won, Phillies lost, so they’re actually doing better in the Division than they are in the WC at the moment. Such as it is….


  145. 154 Carolina Lady September 12, 2009 at 9:05 pm

    Sep. 12, 2009
    CBSSports.com wire reports

    HOUSTON — Astros left-hander Mike Hampton has scheduled his left shoulder surgery for Tuesday in New York City.

    Hampton was placed on the disabled list Aug. 14 and decided about two weeks later to have the season-ending surgery. Hampton has a significant partial thickness tear of his left rotator cuff.

    Dr. David Altchek will perform the surgery at the Hospital for Special Surgery.

    Hampton, who will turn 37 on Wednesday, is 7-10 with a 5.30 ERA this season in 21 starts for the Astros. He left his start Aug. 13 at Florida after five innings with the injury.

    Boy, does that bring back some painful memories!! My shoulder is worse now than it was two months ago! 😦


  146. 155 Carolina Lady September 12, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    And Smoltzie is missing his next start:

    ST. LOUIS (AP)—Cardinals right-hander John Smoltz(notes) is being held out of his scheduled start Monday against the Florida Marlins because of shoulder tendinitis.

    Smoltz, 1-1 with a 3.27 ERA in four starts with St. Louis after being released by the Boston Red Sox, said Saturday he expects to miss only one start. His next scheduled outing is Sept. 20 against the Chicago Cubs. While Smoltz will not throw again until then, he indicated he could pitch now if this was the postseason.

    “As I’ve said many times before, if it was the playoffs starting, I’m sure I could have cranked it up,” Smoltz said. “Like any tendinitis, once you get heated, you’re fine.”

    Cardinals manager Tony La Russa says Todd Wellemeyer(notes) (7-9) will start Monday for the first time since July 26.


  147. 156 Savannah Guy September 12, 2009 at 9:27 pm

    At the movies and missed the game today. After reading the wrap and the box, sounds like a crazy one. Contending teams might best be afraid of the Braves at this point… they are unpredictable. They can beat the best and lose to the worst. They can look like a high school error-fest or they can play flawlessly. They can all hit or they can all struggle… at the same time no less.

    Braves are an enigma. They make a pretty scary opponent, like the drunk wav ing a gun around on the street. They can kill you, shoot in the air or shoot themselves in the foot. It’s crazy. Scary for opponents. Come to think of it, pretty scary for Braves fans too.


  148. 157 Savannah Guy September 12, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    CL, it would be easier to catch up to the Phils than to climb over two teams for the WC. Phils could melt like they did earlier this year and we could reel off 7 or 8 just like that. Great odds against that happ’nin but ya nevah know.

    Hampton would be advised to call it a day, return some salary money to Houston and get a good doctor specializing in overcoming the ravages of roids or something more natural or genetic.


  149. 158 flbravesgirl September 12, 2009 at 11:28 pm

    Huddy hit a HR? Good for him!

    Fox, in their infinite stupidity, chose to show Angels- White Sox here. ‘Cause of course Tampa Bay is in their geographic area. 🙄


  150. 159 Carolina Lady September 12, 2009 at 11:31 pm

    Hey, FGB! I just stopped in for a minute. How ya doing?


  151. 160 flbravesgirl September 12, 2009 at 11:37 pm

    Fine, except we may need to build an ark. Crazy amounts of rain since yesterday afternoon.


  152. 161 Carolina Lady September 12, 2009 at 11:49 pm

    It’s been pretty nice here. We sure had our rain earlier, but this last week has been very pleasant with cooler temps and lower humidity! Love that!! Some of the leaves have begun to change color already so I’m looking forward to an early fall!

    Past my zzzzzzzztime! See ya later!!

    (Lowe’s is having a sale on gopher wood, btw!) 😆


  153. 162 Gil in Mechanicsville September 13, 2009 at 6:24 am

    gopher wood??? can you make a baseball bat out of it?

    Okay, this Saturday is the reverse of last weekend. Hokies and Braves win plus Denny Hamlin takes first at RIR…

    Went up to see Mom on Saturday too. Actually she looked a bit better, like they say, the eyes are the windows to the soul. Hers were much clearer and brighter yesterday.

    Yes, much cooler here too. I love it when we get that first hint of Autumn. Like a good friend of mind use to say, “I love fall because it makes a flannel shirt feel so good”

    It may be time to get the chainsaw out and ready for some serious work. The pine beetles are killing trees at a rate of 4 to 5 a season. Where are all the woodpeckers when you need them?


  154. 163 Salty September 13, 2009 at 11:58 am

    With ya, Gil! Fall is my favorite time of the year. Anyone have Tea Olive bushes? If you don’t, you should. Absolutely incredible fragrance from little pin-head sized blooms. Nice to have the windows open, too.

    Uh, mornin’, All! (While there’s two minutes left!) 😆


  155. 164 Salty September 13, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    Phils could melt like they did earlier this year and we could reel off 7 or 8 just like that. Great odds against that happ’nin but ya nevah know.

    It’s in the Phils’ DNA…they’ve done it before…with a bigger lead and fewer games! Just sayin’…but keepin’ my money in my pocket, too! 😆


  156. 165 Gil in Mechanicsville September 13, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    yep, pretty evident the Phils just don’t have the pitching to go with that great offense. Still, the Nats have great offense too, just worse pitching than anyone else.

    Still, the Braves have not proven they are better than the Fish as of yet….


  157. 166 Carolina Lady September 13, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    To advance in either the Div or the WC, the Braves have to pass the fish in either case. Salty, I’m with you! The wallet stays put! Even if they somehow made it to post-season, they would be sent packing in a hurry!

    It would be better to finish this season without further humiliation and start getting ready for next year!

    Just a feeling, but I sorta think next year will be Chipper’s last. He’s not enjoying it, just going through the motions. But his competitive spirit will probably make him try one more time, then we’ll see him at Cooperstown in 2015. (Does the number of that year look surreal to anybody else?? Two thousand and what??)


  158. 167 Carolina Lady September 13, 2009 at 4:06 pm

    8-0 Braves??? Wow! Of course, there is still one more inning to go. Maybe I should hold my enthusiasm!


  159. 168 Carolina Lady September 13, 2009 at 4:22 pm

    9-0 Braves, but the bases are loaded and 0 out. ooooh, me!


  160. 170 Carolina Lady September 13, 2009 at 4:26 pm

    A DP and a good broken-bat catch at first – Braves win… whew!


  161. 171 Carolina Lady September 13, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    Alllllll byyyyyyyyyyyyyy myyyyyyyyyyseeeeeelllllffff …..


  162. 172 Savannah Guy September 13, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    Well, it’s settled… I won’t watch any more Braves games until they lose. Every time I miss a game they win.

    I’m not superstitious, but you just can’t take chance this late in the season. 😆

    And time is not on our side.


  163. 173 Savannah Guy September 13, 2009 at 6:35 pm

    …don’t wannnaaa beeee…. 😆


  164. 174 Gil in Mechanicsville September 13, 2009 at 6:42 pm

    While my heart hopes the Braves stun the baseball world by getting into this thing, my head says they are just too hot and cold to make it this year. That said, things look very good for 2010


  165. 175 Savannah Guy September 13, 2009 at 7:11 pm

    Gil, I don’t think there could possibly be any reasonable, experienced and rational Braves fan that would disagree with your comment. Swept by Cincy then sweep the Cards. Fire and ice. The opinions as to why the team temperature swings so arbitrarily and wildly is only matched by equally wide swings in reasoning and conjecture. 😆

    Still, it’s pretty cool to see what these boys can do, even without Chipper and Mac in the lineup. We’ve got a hell’uva starting rotation, save Lowe. Hopefully he can find a way to pick it up and allow some skipped starts by Hanson and KK.


  166. 176 Gil in Mechanicsville September 13, 2009 at 8:39 pm

    Upon further review…..

    Yep, the term that comes to mind is A stabilizing presence

    It appears the pitching staff has found it, I don’t know who it is but it is there…. Could be Lowe, could be Huddy, maybe even JJ. Just look at how the staff pitched this week.

    Now, the Braves need that guy in the line up with the big bat… Use to be Chipper but I don’t think Chipper was ever comfortable being “THE GUY”… Just my opinion, He always had guys around him that assumed the role of team leader. It’s not Chipper’s fault, he is just one of those guys that enjoys being a buddy, not the task master or straw boss who is like Jeter or Puhols.


  167. 177 Carolina Lady September 13, 2009 at 8:50 pm

    Excellent thought, Gil! I think you’re right! I noticed this afternoon that going into the 9th, after 79 pitches, Vasquez had thrown 58 strikes and only 21 balls. That’s some pitching! Sure hope we can find that magic for the lineup before ST!


  168. 178 Gil in Mechanicsville September 13, 2009 at 9:28 pm

    I am betting Kershin will be on the mound for Tuesday’s match against the Mets if he is not nursing an injury. He should be well rested by now.


  169. 179 obcbeatle September 13, 2009 at 9:36 pm

    Gil, I agree about Chipper. I think you’re correct about that is just his personality. As for the Braves starting pitching staff, maybe the best in baseball this year? Could make some arguments for that, I think. Dodgers and Giants SPS have been pretty good too, and since I don’t know or follow the AL much I can’t say about that DH league (geeze…EVERYBODY should have to bat…right?) 🙂

    As an aside…does anyone know if there is a decent Georgia Bulldog football blog around here? I haven’t found one yet. Sorry for the non Braves question. I just thought maybe somebody here might know. Thanks!


  170. 180 Gil in Mechanicsville September 13, 2009 at 9:41 pm

    ob… Ask Raisins about the dawgs… I’m a Hokie fan… 🙂


  171. 181 Gil in Mechanicsville September 13, 2009 at 9:42 pm

    Salty rolls for Clemson


  172. 182 Gil in Mechanicsville September 13, 2009 at 9:43 pm

    Suspect CL is a Tar Heel, or maybe East Carolina…


  173. 183 Gil in Mechanicsville September 13, 2009 at 9:47 pm

    Love to root against UVA


  174. 184 Carolina Lady September 13, 2009 at 10:06 pm

    CL don’t follow no football!! Nada! Zip! Blech!

    obcb, this blog is about Braves and STUFF! I don’t think there’s much we haven’t either cussed or discussed so don’t hold back! Our only rules are to keep it clean and don’t attack anybody! Other than that, it’s pretty much open. We argue but don’t get mad. We fuss and fume about all kinds of subjects, some agree, some don’t, but we’re sorta family. And really glad for you to join in!


  175. 185 berigan2electricboogaloo September 13, 2009 at 11:07 pm

    Sorry I missed the game, sounds like a good one. I thought we were going to get our…hats handed to us by the Cards. Shows what I knows.


  176. 186 flbravesgirl September 13, 2009 at 11:08 pm

    Outstanding game for Javy today. Almost Maddux-like through 8.

    I concur re: Chipper. I don’t think he’s ever been comfortable with people trying to make him the “captain”. Quietly taking the younger guys under his wing is more his speed. I do think he has the potential to be a very good hitting coach someday but he’d never want to manage.


  177. 187 Gil in Mechanicsville September 14, 2009 at 5:39 am

    I think Chipper will happily ride off into the sunset ans hunt and fish and otherwise enjoy the fruits of his labors. He might show up at spring training but I seriously doubt he would ever do the 7 days a week bus ride routine for what they pay a coach.

    For any one of us, it would pay great but after making millions per year, I doubt he would go for it, much like Mad Dog.

    Guys like Glavin and Smotlz are pretty glib so I am sure they could do the commentator thing. Chipper, uh, not so much….


  178. 188 Gil in Mechanicsville September 14, 2009 at 5:47 am

    And yes, Javy pitched a real gem, maybe the best I have seen him all year.

    Ber, who knows what to expect from this schizophrenic outfit this year? One game they look like the Bad News Bears and the next they are a bunch of slick fielding gold glovers hitting like the ’27 Yankees….

    Still, they are showing great potential. Just a couple of pieces away from being a 95 win season. They certainly have the pitching staff for it.


  179. 189 Gil in Mechanicsville September 14, 2009 at 5:52 am

    Soooo…. Anyone else think the Braves will non-tender Kelly Johnson next year and let Ryan Church go? They may or may not keep Loaf. Depends on Heyward’s and Schafer’s development this winter.

    How about trading Kershin for Adam Dunn? Helps both clubs.


  180. 190 berigan2electricboogaloo September 14, 2009 at 7:47 am

    From CL…
    Boy, does that bring back some painful memories!! My shoulder is worse now than it was two months ago!

    CL!!! I’m so sorry! 😦 I sure hope they don’t have you back to lifting your Mom up, it ain’t going to heal right it that’s happening.


  181. 191 berigan2electricboogaloo September 14, 2009 at 7:52 am

    OBC, to toot my horn a bit…TOOT! I was really hoping we would sign that other 37 year old the Phils got instead. Or walk and RBI machine Bobby Abreu. And there were rumors that KJ could have netted us Ryan Ludwick. Imagine how different the team would have been if that trade had happened???
    Of course, I was also hoping we’d sign Junior and that would have made Loaf look like Heyward in comparison. And speaking of Loaf, I was thinking Loaf was going to drive in 90 to 100 RBI’s with our offense.
    Gil, you may be right, he may still be our best option come springtime. Diaz in right, Loaf in Left if Heyward is not ready??? Sigh….


  182. 192 Voice of Raisins September 14, 2009 at 8:28 am

    Funny thing is, Garret Anderson is hitting .275 with 12 HR’s and 54 RBI.

    That projects to .254/14/61 over 162 games… really not much more than we expected from guy signing for $2.5MM – 11th on the team, below even Ryan Church. That said, he won’t be re-signed in 2010.

    Now Church on the other hand, he’s making $2.8MM this season and will be in his 3rd arb year in 2010. He’ll be back as the 4th OF for 2010 and is perfectly suited for that role. He plays all 3 OF positions, is above average defensively, can pinch run as well as pinch hit and has a little pop. He’s the “Michael Tucker” of this generation of Braves. I’ll bet they’ll seek to extend him for 2-3 years at a team friendly rate, trading years for dollars. He ought to take it.

    I don’t expect to see Kelly back in a Braves uni. He has damaged his trade value to the point that he’ll probably be non-tendered for ’10. I can’t see anybody giving up anything of value for him; maybe another player in the same boat. He’ll be heavily shopped at the winter meetings, but I don’t have high hopes for a meaningful swap.

    I’d love to see Schafer be ready for 2010, but he has missed an awful lot of time in both 2008 and 2009. He may need more seasoning. That’ll be determined in the spring, I suppose.

    You know, for a team that we are pinning high hopes on for 2010, we have a mighty unsettled OF for 2010. We have N8, who himself misses a fair degree of time due to injury. Past N8, who else is settled? Nobody…

    We know what Frank’s focus is for this off-season, huh?


  183. 193 Voice of Raisins September 14, 2009 at 8:38 am

    In my humble opinion, Diaz is still not an everyday player. He kills LHP, though. Maybe Schafer and Diaz in a platoon for 2010? It’d give Schafer a chance to break in slowly and curtail some of the pressure he had to have felt early this season. Diaz in LF against LHP with N8 in CF, and N8 in LF with Schafer in CF against RHP. Regardless of his bat, Schafer is still the the best defender we have in the OF… period.

    If we could get by with the Schafer/Diaz platoon, to go with N8, and if… big IF… young stud JHey is ready to begin the season in RF, the OF could be settled. The problem is, those variables really can’t be answered until spring, and Frank can’t afford to wait that long to address the needs.

    What to do… what to do..?


  184. 194 Voice of Raisins September 14, 2009 at 9:38 am

    beatle: Although I am a big time Dawgs fan, I don’t generally participate in any other blogs other than this one. That said, you can try the DawgVent. You can find it here: http://uga.rivals.com/forum.asp?fid=1


  185. 195 Voice of Raisins September 14, 2009 at 11:02 am

    How does a team get swept by the Reds at home, and sweep the Cards in their place?


  186. 196 Carolina Lady September 14, 2009 at 11:44 am

    Raisins, I like your idea of the Schafer/Diaz platoon. Also like Church. That throw he made yesterday to home was terrific!

    Chipper riding a bus? Don’t think so. He’ll go back to the ranch and enjoy himself with all those kids he has!

    Isn’t Maddux some sort of pitching advisor/whatever for the Padres this year? I seem to remember Cox saying at the beginning of the year that the Braves were lining up something like that with him for next year. Or was I imagining it?


  187. 197 Carolina Lady September 14, 2009 at 12:02 pm

    In Raleigh yesterday, a groom riding in a car with two of his groomsmen were going for breakfast when another car ran a red light, hitting them. The groom was thrown from the car and hit by a third car, killing him. Four hours before his wedding.


  188. 198 Voice of Raisins September 14, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    Seat belts… is it that difficult to put one on?


  189. 199 Carolina Lady September 14, 2009 at 2:11 pm

    Yep! You’re right, Raisins! He was in the back seat, no seat belt. Was the only fatality.


  190. 200 berigan2electricboogaloo September 14, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    use guys are probably right, KJ will likely be DFA’ed or traded for some other teams problem child.
    Outfield has so many question marks. Does Heyward play left, or right????
    And a bit early to talk about it, but both Gonzo and Soriano are both free agents. Something just doesn’t seem right about him. He was automatic, even looked better last year, than this year…for some reason.
    So, Soriano makes the most sense, but we can’t afford to lose both of them, can we???


  191. 201 Voice of Raisins September 14, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    Intersting piece on Huddy from Bowman:



    “[Hudson] has thrown really well during these first couple starts back,” Braves general manager Frank Wren said. “We know his makeup. We know his work ethic. We know his competitiveness. We’d like to have him pitching in Atlanta for a long time.”


    Understanding the financial variables that could prevent him from continuing to pitch in Atlanta beyond this season, Hudson has opened the door to the possibility of accepting a salary reduction that would accompany a multiyear extension.

    Hudson’s contract includes a $12 million option and $1 million buyout for next season.

    “I would be glad if they picked up the option,” Hudson said. “But it’s one of those things if they want to discuss not picking it up and maybe going a few years out at some kind of whatever hometown discount, that’s something I’d obviously be willing to discuss with them.”

    I would be glad to see Huddy extended beyond 2010 also. Give him 3/$30MM, trade Vazquez while his value is sky high, and your starting rotation is locked up for 3 more years. You’ll actually show a net savings in 2010 from the $11.5MM JV draws this season.

    Look, I am on record many times about how I feel about JV. I have liked him since his days in Montreal. But he has never, repeat: NEVER put together back-to-back stellar years. His value may never be any higher than it is right now. We have given away our share of prospects for 1 year rentals lately; I think it’s time to get some back.


  192. 202 Voice of Raisins September 14, 2009 at 4:04 pm

    JHey is a right fielder… period. Great defense, great arm. It’d be wasted in LF. N8 is the LF of the future, once Schafer can claim CF on a permanent basis.

    Soriano? Nor for me. Neither he nor Gonzo have been completely lights out this season, but I believe Gonzo’s struggle are directly related to his being less than 2 years from TJ. Plus, he’s a lefty. I’d prefer to re-sign Gonzo over Sori, but I really don’t see Wren re-signing either. I see Moylan as the new closer. Frank will go back to spending less on the bullpen much like JS did for years.

    A blogger across the street made an excellent point earlier today. Frank should spend his limited $$$ on a handful of mid-grade relievers rather than blow it all on one reliever that Bobby will over use. Makes sense to me. I think Moylan becomes the new closer ala Greg McMichael, with Medlen the new setup guy, ala Mike Remlinger.


  193. 203 Carolina Lady September 14, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    Raisins, who would you want in exchange for JV?


  194. 204 Gil in Mechanicsville September 14, 2009 at 4:12 pm

    On Gonzo vs Soriano… Either would be acceptable if they were not required to close 80 games a year.

    Rocky has been over throwing a lot of his pitches and thus losing his release point. Don’t know if he is trying to compensate for a tired arm or something else.

    Dark Shadows throws nice and easy but when his arm/should gets fatigued he loses movement on his fastball and it tends to stay up in the zone.

    I think the Braves will keep the cheaper of the two and use Moylan as their alternate closer next year. Since he is a righty, the most likely one to keep is Gonzolaz. of course a go closer gets both right and left handers out.

    I keep thinking the Braves should keep an extra position player next year rather than 12 or 13 pitchers because Bobby C only uses 10 anyway.

    I think the Braves keep Diaz for several reasons, the least being he can hit… He is still pretty young and relatively cheap as far as ball players go.

    I think Chipper is beginning to feel his age. This season has been a wake up call for a lot of folks. I think his best bet is to finish out his career with an American League team if he want to keep playing. I think Chipper goes when Bobby retires for sure….


  195. 205 Gil in Mechanicsville September 14, 2009 at 4:14 pm

    Hummm, a lot of “ I think” s in that last post. Need to use another verb…. me thinks… 🙂


  196. 206 Gil in Mechanicsville September 14, 2009 at 4:20 pm

    CL… I believe (note new verbiage) JV will bring a nice bevy of good young players or a plus bat plus some prospects. Unfortunately, I am not keeping up with the young talent like I used to.

    If I were Frank Wren, I would call Ber and ask him because he was pretty spot on with his suggestions last spring.


  197. 207 Voice of Raisins September 14, 2009 at 4:22 pm

    Raisins, who would you want in exchange for JV?

    I’d really like one of Milwaukee’s young 3B’s, preferably Mat Gamel, but Casey McGehee would be OK. I’d want a couple of throw in prospects, too.

    From Adam McCalvy, Milwaukee Brewers beat writer at MLB.com:

    In one [infield] corner, the Brewers will have to decide whether prospect Mat Gamel is ready for the third base job or whether Casey McGehee proved this season that he deserves the job for himself. Both have Minor League options, Melvin points out, and at the moment the Brewers are leaning toward making McGehee the everyday man.


  198. 208 berigan2electricboogaloo September 14, 2009 at 4:54 pm

    If I were Frank Wren, I would call Ber and ask him because he was pretty spot on with his suggestions last spring.
    Gil, the checks in the mail…I think! 😉


  199. 209 Carolina Lady September 14, 2009 at 5:00 pm

    Whoever it is better come with one gi-normous bat!

    Gil, I also think Chipper will go when Bobby does, if not before. I would be surprised if he quits after this season, but would NOT be surprised if he does after next year. If he doesn’t move to first, he should be heavily platooned at 3rd. The years have just caught up with him!

    It’s hard to think of someone still in his 30s to be ‘old’!


  200. 210 Voice of Raisins September 14, 2009 at 5:23 pm

    I believe this to be the Braves’ current salary obligations for next season:

    DLowe rhp $15MM

    Huddy rhp $12MM option

    Vazquez rhp $11.5MM

    Chipper 3b $13MM

    KK rhp $6.667MM

    BMac c $5.5MM

    N8 cf $4.5MM

    Omar inf $2.225MM

    DRoss c $1.6MM

    MattyD of 3rd year Arb

    KJ inf 2nd year Arb

    Church of 2nd year Arb

    JJ rhp 1st year Arb

    Logan, Boone lhp 1st year Arb

    Carlyle, Buddy rhp 1st year Arb

    Moylan rhp 1st year Arb

    TommyH rhp not yet Arb eligible

    Yunel ss not yet Arb eligible

    Campillo, Jorge rhp not yet Arb eligible

    Marteeen 2b not yet Arb eligible

    O’Flaherty lhp not yet Arb eligible

    Medlen, Kris rhp not yet Arb eligible

    That’s 12 pitchers (6 starters and 6 relievers), 2 catchers, 5 infielders (including KJ), and 3 outfielders.

    I believe they’ll trade a starter, and I believe they’ll keep only one of O’Flaherty and Logan, leaving 10 pitchers (5/5). They’ll undoubtedly add 2 nondescript relievers from either the FA market or the minors. Net = 12 pitchers

    I believe they’ll drop KJ, leaving 4 infielders. They MUST add a real 1B for next season, maybe beyond. That’s probably where this year’s $$$ is spent. Freddie Freeman won’t be ready until 2011 at the very earliest. They’ll probably keep Brooks Conrad as the other infield sub, unless they could pull a deal for an Uggla type 2B. Add the 2 catchers, net = 8 infielders.

    N8, Diaz, JHey(maybe?), Church plus one more makes 5 OF. Maybe Schafer, but my money says he spends 2010 at AAA Gwinnett to get back on track. Look for another budget veteran LF next season. Net = 5 outfielders.

    Am I close to reality?


  201. 211 berigan2electricboogaloo September 14, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    I had a nice long post lost…by my Dad. He asked me to record Beck for him since his friend from Kentucky is here, and they were watching Cocoon. So, I did that, then showered…came back, no post. Thanks Dad! 😕

    Anyway, V I was talking about how on Baseball tonight they were talking about the very real possiblity that the cheap as Bud Selig Brewers will trade Prince Fielder cuz he will start earning big time money soon. He’s 25 and a team that nearly sells out every game can’t afford him? Yeah, right! Anyways, IF they trade him this offseason, the Brewers may have to keep McGee and Gamel. Gamel seemed to be off limits in talks with Halladay, who would have clearly made the Brewers a team to beat in the central(Of course, the Blue Jays wanted even more..at least then)

    It’s so hard to tell what Javy is worth to other teams. He also doesn’t like to be out west, which would be a perfect destination for him, from our standpoint. Dodgers, or Angels. Oh well….


  202. 212 berigan2electricboogaloo September 14, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    V, I’ve got one for you(or anyone else) is Yunel a super 2 kind of guy??? I would guess yes, but I don’t exactly understand the rule…

    Q: When does a player become eligible for salary arbitration?
    A: A player with three or more years of service, but less than six years, may file for salary arbitration. In addition, a player can be classified as a “Super Two” and be eligible for arbitration with less than three years of service. A player with at least two but less than three years of Major League service shall be eligible for salary arbitration if he has accumulated at least 86 days of service during the immediately preceding season and he ranks in the top 17 percent in total service in the class of Players who have at least two but less than three years of Major League service, however accumulated, but with at least 86 days of service accumulated during the immediately preceding season.



  203. 213 berigan2electricboogaloo September 14, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    V, I think you are pretty close to reality…
    We just don’t know what to do with 1st. LaRoche makes a lot of sense…in the 2nd half. But, if we count on him like we counted on Frenchy this year…well…another long summer in the ATL. But, who’s available??? Can’t afford Prince, can we??? Who do we trade besides Javy for him??? Going to take mucho arms, but…who knows, we may just have them!
    It just may be too early to figure out what teams have 1st basemen that a very good, that for some reason they don’t want.


  204. 214 Voice of Raisins September 14, 2009 at 6:40 pm

    To my understanding, Yunel hits his 1st Arb year in 2011. I wouldn’t be surprised, though, to see the Braves try to lock him up with a McCann type deal next off-season. Same goes for JJ this off-season.


  205. 215 obcbeatle September 14, 2009 at 8:35 pm

    VOR, thanks for the Dawgs blog link! I think the Braves need a right fielder and first baseman. It’s imperative to get power and RBI’s from those 2 positions. Even if Chipper were moved to first base, he’d need to be platooned (he’s just got bad feet and legs). I’d rather see an every day first basemen. Chipper really presents a problem at third. Sure he can be platooned, but his defense has weakened considerably. Don’t get me wrong. I am in awe of Chipper’s career batting feats. Arguably the best switch hitter of all time and certainly the best batting eye I ever saw…period. I’m really going to miss him whenever he decides to retire. I like Prado. Maybe give him 2nd base and let Infante platoon third? Decisions, decisions. We need speed! The pitching is pretty solid. That is good! But who are the closer(s)? Me thinks Soriano and Gonzo have weakened arms. But so do most relievers these days 🙂 Boy if we can bring up some more talent from the minors that are Hansonlike…then wow! I don’t know much about JHey yet. Man…I’m already looking forward to Spring training 😉


  206. 216 Carolina Lady September 14, 2009 at 9:11 pm

    obcb, I agree on getting some power – anywhere! I kinda wish Chipper would go ahead and retire after this season and let the team move on. Same for Bobby. I love the man, but the time has come (in fact, I think it came some time ago!)

    Don’t know who I’d really root for in the managing department as long as it is NOT TP! I think I’d shoot myself! Well, maybe not….but…..


  207. 217 Gil in Mechanicsville September 14, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    I think Chipper will do the farewell tour thingee… He was really impressed with the way Biggio was honored by Houston and the other teams around the league. Not many players get to experience that anymore. It would also allow the Braves to bring in a guy or two for an audition at third.

    Infante is a great bench /utility guy much like Diaz but everyday play has a tendency to expose their weaknesses.

    For sure, the Braves are going to add some power to the line-up in 2010 or we are going to get the same thing we got this year. A up and down club that teases us but is not quite good enough.

    The Mets won’t be as bad next year as they are right now, their players will be returning. Washington will be better too.

    A word about the Nationals… One of the reasons they are struggling is because when MLB took over control of the team, they gutted the farm system. That really set them back. It takes years to build a strong farm system but only one season to tear it down. That said, they are rebuilding so don’t expect them to stay doormats.

    Who knows with Florida, they sure seem to get a lot of mileage out of trading guys who are about to get expensive for some really good prospects. Prospects who are helping them win.

    So, standing pat is certainly not an option for the Braves. They are going to need to go all in pretty soon just to stay competitive in the East. Does not mean they have to spend Yankees or Red Sox kind of money but they are going to need to stop pinching pennies and pay market rates.


  208. 218 Carolina Lady September 14, 2009 at 9:33 pm


    you may/maynot remember this ad that Budweiser made as a 9/11 tribute. It was shown only ONE time on TV.


  209. 219 Gil in Mechanicsville September 14, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    Nice clip CL….


  210. 220 Gil in Mechanicsville September 14, 2009 at 9:41 pm

    I have been fighting off leg and foot cramps all evening. it is really quite irritating. To be sitting in my easy chair and suddenly have your big toe try to salute you. I may have overdone it a bit trying to clean up the homestead. 😦

    I think I will try the old salt water solution to see if that helps…


  211. 222 berigan2electricboogaloo September 15, 2009 at 2:13 am

    I remember being quite tired of all the songs from Dirty Dancing that came out, and even though I am not usually crazy about ballads(exept when talking jazz/pop standards) I thought this song was pretty good, and he wrote it himself!

    Rest in Peace.


  212. 223 Voice of Raisins September 15, 2009 at 9:03 am



  213. 224 Voice of Raisins September 15, 2009 at 9:06 am

    I am interested in your opinions about something, because I cannot decide where I stand on it.

    Is Yunel’s long term future at SS or 3B? He seems like a guy who is still developing his power potential, and is a pretty big guy playing SS. Yet, he is probably one of the 2 or 3 best at his current position.

    If he truly projects to replace Chipper at 3B one of these days, should the Braves be looking for a long term answer at SS?

    Deep thoughts for 9:06am…


  214. 227 Carolina Lady September 15, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    Excellent article on Bobby. Thanks, VOR!


  215. 228 Voice of Raisins September 15, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    Mike Hampton had rotator cuff surgery yesterday and will miss the entire 2010 season.

    In a related story, the sun came up again today.


  216. 229 Gil in Mechanicsville September 15, 2009 at 2:09 pm

    Yep, I’m pretty sure these national writers get the bulk of their information right here on the old Braves & Stuff blog…

    Question, did Hampton sign a one year or two year contract with the Astros? Is his injury covered under worksman comp? Just curious…


  217. 230 Salty September 15, 2009 at 2:50 pm

    One year on, one year off, one year on, two and a half years off…3/4’s of a year on, another year-plus off. At this rate, Hampton will have a fifteen year-plus career spread over 30 years…and only appeared in 4 seasons’ worth of games.


  218. 231 Voice of Raisins September 15, 2009 at 3:01 pm

    Brings new meaning to being a 10 and 5 guy, don’t it? 😀


  219. 232 Gil in Mechanicsville September 15, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    Cardiovascular wise, they guy has to be in great shape. I mean, you really have to work out hard doing rehabs and all. I still say it was the roids….


  220. 233 Gil in Mechanicsville September 15, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    Speaking of which, anyone heard from Roger or Barry lately?


  221. 234 Carolina Lady September 15, 2009 at 5:57 pm

    😆 , Gil! Out of sight, out of mind? Looooow profile!

    And, may I say, sir, you are lookin’ like Mr Cool in the avatar! 🙂 Holden Beach?


  222. 235 berigan2electricboogaloo September 15, 2009 at 6:23 pm

    V, interesting article on Cox there…
    I worry a bit about Moylan. I’ve never known of a guy pitching 80+ games the year after Tommy John surgery. Will Ohman missed almost all this year after being overused last year.
    If we give up both Soriano and Gonzo, and Moylan has troubles next year, that could be a real issue. That’s why I think we should at least try to get one of them back next year….

    Oh, and did you all see the next story after the Braves???

    Padres’ 2010 payroll: At least $40 million

    Over the weekend, I mentioned in my “Full Count” video that some in baseball suspect that the Padres will trade first baseman Adrian Gonzalez or closer Heath Bell and reduce their 2010 payroll to the $25 million range.

    Not true, according to one source with knowledge of the team’s plans.

    While ownership has yet to give the front office a final budget, it is planning a payroll of at least $40 million for next season, the source says.

    How would you like to root for a team with 40 Mil budget being the good news??? 😕


  223. 236 Gil in Mechanicsville September 15, 2009 at 7:03 pm

    Yeah Ber, a lot like rooting for the Nats… but different..

    yes CL… nothing but fun and sun for me… 🙂 Actually, it was one of the best vacations Josie and I have ever had.

    Well, I gave one of my boats away today. Cleaning house around here so to speak. Kept the trailer however. It was what I was after when I acquired the rig two years ago. The fellow was looking for a project… He sure has one now. Pretty nice boat all and all. Will take some sweat equity but I am sure he will have it going in no time. He seemed pretty happy with it anyway.

    Next item to depart the premises will be the motor home. Leaving one way or the other this week. Too many projects for a guy who doesn’t walk so well anymore…

    Okay folks, it’s game time. Later.


  224. 237 Gil in Mechanicsville September 15, 2009 at 9:51 pm

    Nice game by Hanson, kinda makes you say, Glavin who? doesn’t it?

    I switched over and watched the game on the New York feed after the 3rd inning because it was in High Def and I wanted to hear their opinion on Tommy. They gave him his props for sure.

    And didn’t Roachie have a night? Wow….


  225. 238 Gil in Mechanicsville September 15, 2009 at 10:29 pm

    Okay, warning… Political rant coming….

    Jimmy Carter today said Joe Wilson’s comment during Obama’s speech was racist. I am sick to death of people playing the race card. If I were black, I’d be embarrassed to think I could not succeed with out some artificial handicap. Cooking the books so to speak to make up for a lack of talent.

    People boo Obama for the same reason they booed George Bush and it has nothing to do with race.

    What little respect I had for Carter is completely gone now. No wonder even fellow liberals like Ted Kennedy had no use for him. To steal a phrase from one of our old friends, the man is an A$$clown…

    Keep it up and there is going to be a real backlash in this country because I think folks are getting pretty fed up with it…


  226. 239 flbravesgirl September 16, 2009 at 12:00 am

    They were quite impressed with Tommy.

    VOR, I know there’s the idea that Yunel is big for a SS but how do you move a guy from a position he’s so good at?


  227. 240 Voice of Raisins September 16, 2009 at 8:28 am

    FBG, that is exactly the question I have. He is soooooooo good at SS, but I think he is still young. If he “grows into his body” so to speak, a change to 3B may be a natural transition. I you will all recall, Chipper came up through the system as a SS…


  228. 241 Voice of Raisins September 16, 2009 at 8:35 am

    Oh, and Gil…

    Jimmy Carter has been a cartoon for years. Anyone who still gives credence to anything that rolls out of his mouth should have his head examined.

    The worst part of the whole thing is that nobody wants to admit that PresBO actually did lie. His national healthcare takeover bill is laced with accommodations for “undocumented workers”. It is only one of numerous schemes to buy Democratic votes from what will one day become a very large voting bloc.

    We are on the back side of the slippery slope…


  229. 242 Voice of Raisins September 16, 2009 at 10:12 am

    Jeff Schultz of the ajc:

    When asked if he would come back for a 25th season as the Braves’ manager next year, [Bobby] Cox would not commit one way or the other.

    “We’ll see,” he said. Anticipating a follow-up question, he repeated, “We’ll see, OK?”

    But there is uncertainty about next season. He repeated the, “We’ll see,” response two other times when I asked about managing in 2010. It’s not a subject he enjoys discussing. Cox never likes being the subject of an interview, but especially when it involves a topic that might be perceived as rubber-stamping the end of this season.

    “I just don’t know right now,” he said. “I’m not thinking about it. I’m still trying to get us in the playoffs somehow.”

    But there’s something about this team that Cox’s critics still don’t grasp: The Braves are only good, not great. With Chipper Jones slumping, they’re closer to average. They have very good starting pitching but sporadic hitting.

    If and when the Braves miss the playoffs again, it won’t be because of Bobby Cox, it will be because of the personnel. But it’s the easy answer, isn’t it? Michael Vick breaks a leg, fire Dan Reeves. And where are Joe Paterno’s critics now?


  230. 243 Voice of Raisins September 16, 2009 at 10:27 am

    Today is September 16… who’d have thunk it —

    Chipper .269 AVG, 16 HR, 64 RBI, 76 K’s

    Frenchy .273 AVG, 12 HR, 68 RBI, 81 K’s

    Wow 😯


  231. 244 Salty September 16, 2009 at 10:41 am

    VOR…who’da thunk it, indeed! Changes are coming, for sure.

    Gil, your rant, and VOR’s ‘slippery slope’. Does the nation have the stomach to do what is needed, or are we frogs in a pot of water, slowly heating? Interesting times…will we be numbed, or stand with conviction? Hmmm….

    It’s tough…we have our men and women overseas fighting…for the status quo, or what got this country to this point in time? Is the enemy far close to home than we think? Apathy can be a dastardly foe!


  232. 245 Salty September 16, 2009 at 10:43 am

    …far closer to home…. 🙄


  233. 246 Voice of Raisins September 16, 2009 at 10:48 am

    Does the nation have the stomach to do what is needed..?

    We’ll see with the mid-term elections. I fully expect the full court press from the Dems to cement their arm-twisting position of power. For instance, to disagree with the current power structure is to be racist, right? I hope the dumbing down due to government education/indoctrination doesn’t come home to roost. It is the watershed moment for this nation as we know it.

    True USA, or Euro-USA?


  234. 247 berigan2electricboogaloo September 16, 2009 at 10:55 am

    V, those stats of Chipper and Frenchy…wow indeed!!! 😯


  235. 248 Gil in Mechanicsville September 16, 2009 at 11:25 am

    Well, while it could be said I’m not doing all I can, I am doing more than I once did. Sending money in hopes it is not squandered on fluff and frills. Even sent a contribution to Joe Wilson…

    I a couple of weeks I will get out and hit the bricks (well, the gravel in my neighborhood) and shill for Bob McDonnell and Eric Cantor. I don’t know why politics leaves me feeling so dirty… You would think I was use to it after being a union guy so long. of course, we were not so radical and we smarten up and kept our money at home. Surprisingly, you can do a lot more when you can focus on your own issues.

    Now baseball…. My money is on Bobby and Chipper doing a farewell tour together next year.


  236. 249 Carolina Lady September 16, 2009 at 11:59 am

    The Aaron Award: “It is the seventh consecutive year that fans have had a say in the voting, and this year, your role was expanded greatly — first reducing 90 nominees down to 30, and now deciding which two players are the game’s outstanding offensive performers in 2009.”

    The Braves finalist – Chipper.



  237. 251 Voice of Raisins September 16, 2009 at 12:16 pm

    now deciding which two players are the game’s outstanding offensive performers in 2009.”

    The Braves finalist – Chipper.

    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha


  238. 252 Voice of Raisins September 16, 2009 at 12:26 pm

    I suppose the Mets finalist was Jose Reyes? 😆


  239. 253 Carolina Lady September 16, 2009 at 12:38 pm

    National League finalists include: Justin Upton of the D-backs, Chipper Jones of the Braves, Derrek Lee of the Cubs, Brandon Phillips of the Reds, Todd Helton of the Rockies, Hanley Ramirez of the Marlins, Miguel Tejada of the Astros, Andre Ethier of the Dodgers, Prince Fielder of the Brewers, David Wright of the Mets, Chase Utley of the Phillies, Andrew McCutchen of the Pirates, Adrian Gonzalez of the Padres, Pablo Sandoval of the Giants, Albert Pujols of the Cardinals and Ryan Zimmerman of the Nationals.

    American League finalists include: Adam Jones of the Orioles, Jason Bay of the Red Sox, Jermaine Dye of the White Sox, Asdrubal Cabrera of the Indians, Miguel Cabrera of the Tigers, Billy Butler of the Royals, Torii Hunter of the Angels, Joe Mauer of the Twins, Derek Jeter of the Yankees, Kurt Suzuki of the A’s, Ichiro Suzuki of the Mariners, Evan Longoria of the Rays, Ian Kinsler of the Rangers and Aaron Hill of the Blue Jays.


  240. 254 Salty September 16, 2009 at 4:08 pm

    I only see one name on the NL list…Albert! For the AL…hmmm…that would be Kinsler.


  241. 255 Gil in Mechanicsville September 16, 2009 at 6:47 pm

    Agree on Fat Albert.. Uh, is that racist? Anyway, I don’t know enough about the AL to form a reasonable opinion.


  242. 256 Carolina Lady September 16, 2009 at 11:00 pm


    “A new Von’s supermarket opened in Los Angeles this week.

    It has an automatic water mister to keep the produce fresh. Just before it goes on, you hear the distant sound of thunder and the smell of fresh rain.

    When you pass the milk cases, you hear cows mooing and you experience the scent of fresh cut hay.

    In the meat department there is the aroma of charcoal grilled steaks and brats.

    In the liquor department, the fresh, clean, crisp smell of tapped Miller Lite.

    When you approach the egg case, you hear hens cluck and cackle and the air is filled with the pleasing aroma of bacon and eggs frying.

    The bread department features the tantalizing smell of fresh baked bread & cookies.

    I don’t buy toilet paper there anymore.”


  243. 257 Gil in Mechanicsville September 16, 2009 at 11:47 pm

    CL… 🙂


  244. 258 Gil in Mechanicsville September 16, 2009 at 11:56 pm

    I’m not sure if Gonzalas is trying to pitch his way off the team next year by stinking up the joint or trying to pitch his way back in 2010 by making his price tag more affordable.


  245. 259 Gil in Mechanicsville September 16, 2009 at 11:59 pm

    And what was BMac thinking with the bunt attempt. There is a whole club house full of guys who can hit the ball 30 feet, only a couple who can hit it 400…

    Big boppers are suppose to bop it big.


  246. 260 flbravesgirl September 17, 2009 at 12:49 am

    Woohoo!!!!! Thank you Mutts, for once again shooting yourselves in the foot.


  247. 261 Voice of Raisins September 17, 2009 at 8:04 am

    I tried to stay up to watch the game, but my new early morning schedule pretty much prevents me from late night viewing. In my attempt, though, I went to sleep on my sofa somewhere while the game was tied at 4. Because of the position in which I was sitting/leaning, I woke up with a deep pain in my neck, and in somewhat of a stupor trying to figure out where I was. It was the bottom of the 9th, and the Mets appeared to be in the same state of mind that I was…

    And DLowe was their best shot at a victory in this series… tonight they get JJ. I love jerking them around. 😀


  248. 262 Voice of Raisins September 17, 2009 at 8:09 am


    If Lowe is forced to miss his next scheduled start, the Braves may opt to move Kenshin Kawakami back into the rotation.

    Uh… OK. KK pitched lights out against some of the best opposing moundsmen in the league, and in the AL as well. DLowe has pitched, well, as if the lights were out. Shut him down and move KK back in. I won’t lose any sleep… well… I might fall asleep, but only if the have another 2 hour rain delay.


  249. 263 Gil in Mechanicsville September 17, 2009 at 8:27 am

    I can remember the Braves losing games just like that the past couple of years. You just know Church loved being the guy to drive the stake through their heart last night. Even if it was on an error… He hit the ball pretty wicked.


  250. 264 Voice of Raisins September 17, 2009 at 9:06 am

    Even if it was on an error…

    Yeah, but he hit it to the right spot. Church of all people should know that Daniel Murphy’s glove is about as useful as Michael Jackson’s…


  251. 265 Voice of Raisins September 17, 2009 at 9:39 am


    Kenshin Kawakami has brought more than an extra arm to eat up some innings in the bullpen. He has provided a little comic relief.

    In the sixth inning of Tuesday night’s game against the Mets, with Tommy Hanson cruising on the mound, Kawakami put on a show for his fellow relievers by imitating Braves’ hitters. That’s one language that needs no translation.

    He started with the easy target: Adam LaRoche. He had them laughing at his Brian McCann imitation, right down to signaling for a time-out to take off his helmet and clean his glasses. Buddy Carlyle’s personal favorite was Kawakami’s Matt Diaz. [Peter] Moylan was partial to Kawakami’s McCann and to his imitation of Yunel Escobar jumping in the on-deck circle.



  252. 266 Voice of Raisins September 17, 2009 at 9:46 am

    Joe Cowley, Chicago Sun-Times:

    The White Sox will look to trade Josh Fields this offseason, with both sides agreeing the former first-round pick probably would be better off somewhere else.

    Fields wasn’t going to speculate whether the Sox might have a change of heart. The one-time heir apparent to Joe Crede said he’s done guessing about his future in the major leagues.

    “I used to try, and I would end up either disappointed or completely ecstatic,” Fields said Wednesday. “Right now, I don’t want to be on either side of that spectrum, so just staying in the middle. I’m going into the offseason not having a thought one way or the other. My wife and I are about to have our first kid, so I have enough to worry about. Hopefully, the thought of baseball won’t come up for as long as I can get it out of my head.”

    Fields said he and general manager Ken Williams talked right before he was sent to Class AAA Charlotte in midseason.

    “Everything has been discussed, and everything has been laid out on the table from both sides,” Fields said. “He knows where I’m coming from, and he gave me the position of the White Sox. As far as I can see, everything stands the exact same.”

    The Sox won’t just give Fields away, but expect them to kick down every door to move him.

    “I think I can be a big-league third baseman, but I know I’m a big-league player,” Fields said. “Wherever it’s going to be, outfield, third, first, it doesn’t matter to me. I know I can play in the big leagues.”

    Hmmm… interesting…


  253. 267 Voice of Raisins September 17, 2009 at 9:54 am


    With the 23-year-old Tommy Hanson, the Braves possess a prized young pitcher that they would obviously like to keep for an extended period. But Jeff Francoeur has already seen enough to lightheartedly project that the young hurler will be pitching in the Bronx once he’s eligible to gain the fortunes that could await him on the free-agent market. “I think he’s going to look good in [Yankees] pinstripes in six years,” Francoeur joked.

    I think my foot would look good placed squarely across FrenchTwist’s @$$. In 6 years, he’ll be looking pretty sad in that nasty Royals’ blue, losing more games than the Mutts, wishing he could cut it with a real major league team…


  254. 268 Gil in Mechanicsville September 17, 2009 at 10:36 am

    🙂 A little testy there Raisins… Maybe Jeff knows that no team that draws 24,000 can compete with one that fills a stadium can compete in today’s market… Actually, I think he was paying Hanson a compliment… sorta…

    Oh well, ride him as long as you can and let nature run it’s course.

    Question, is it really smart for an organization to let everyone know how much money they have available for payroll?


  255. 271 Salty September 17, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    Daniel Murphy’s glove is about as useful as Michael Jackson’s…

    👿 Raisins…when you’re of the mind, you are not be trifled with! Ouch!


  256. 272 Carolina Lady September 17, 2009 at 4:58 pm

    He does have a way with words, doesn’t he, Salty?! 😆

    Love it!


  257. 274 flbravesgirl September 17, 2009 at 11:51 pm

    You had to say that about another 2-hour rain delay, didn’t you, VOR? And I agree about Francoeur’s comment. That didn’t sit well with me either.


  258. 275 berigan2electricboogaloo September 18, 2009 at 5:29 am

    Like SG, I am missing most of the games in this streak! They tease us every year the last few weeks, don’t they??? At least they haven’t quit on Bobby….


  259. 276 berigan2electricboogaloo September 18, 2009 at 5:31 am

    Ever heard of Rep. Pete Stark??? I truly Classy guy…not!!! Look at what he says to this older gentleman, who didn’t raise his voice, or pound the table…


  260. 278 berigan2electricboogaloo September 18, 2009 at 5:41 am

    So….we should have some sort of bet…who will post first? BAS, 10Paul, or Hillbilly??? 😛


  261. 279 Voice of Raisins September 18, 2009 at 8:14 am

    My money is on VOR…


  262. 280 Voice of Raisins September 18, 2009 at 8:18 am

    Oh?!? You mean between just those three?

    Well, Hillbilly is semi-regular across the street. I don’t know if he checks back in to the ol’ B&S or not. 10Paul? I haven’t even seen him here or across the way in a while. Now BAS? My bet is on him. He’ll pop up before you know it, but only well after the sun goes down…


  263. 281 Gil in Mechanicsville September 18, 2009 at 8:54 am

    Pretty sure Rep Stark will regret uttering those words. Nothing like riling up a bunch of folks whom actually fund political campaigns to signal the end of your career.

    Yes, we all miss our old friends but no need to lament because the ones still here keep things lively.

    Another good game by the Braves last night. They need to just keep on doing what they are doing. It bothers me somewhat to hear them admit they are a bunch of choke artist. Well, been there and done that. I mean, why else would you miss a 2 foot putt for birdie but make a difficult 30 footer when no one is around?

    Need ice water in your veins to be a champion….


  264. 282 Voice of Raisins September 18, 2009 at 9:43 am

    Need ice water in your veins to be a champion…

    Nobody, and I include ALL of the HOF pitchers that have graced this great team, NOBODY had icewater coursing through their veins like the great Tommy Glavine in his prime. Never have I seen focus and concentration like he displayed.


  265. 283 Voice of Raisins September 18, 2009 at 1:59 pm

    Much speculation around about who will play 1B next season. Browsing through some general baseball publications and blogs, there is actually some Braves chatter. Most of it surrounds the Braves 1B situation. Almost none of it mentions LF. I suppose it’s assumed that JHey is gonna be here. I believe that too. With him in RF and N8 in CF or LF, replacing GAnderson will be relatively painless. But 1B… that’s different.

    Almost unanimously, the “outside” sites advocate shifting Chipper to 1B. By “outside”, I mean non-Braves centric. The overwhelming reasoning is simple:

    1) Chipper’s defense has eroded dramatically at 3B

    2) Chipper’s injury history would suggest that Freddie Freeman could get a handful of injury callups, giving him a few “major league auditions” and some limited major league experience in short spurts without throwing him completely to the wolves too early

    3) Prado is capable of being an everyday ML 3B

    4) there are more 2B FA options than most other positions for 2010, such as Felipe Lopez or Orlando Hudson.

    Now me personally, I’m not so sure about it. Reading into what Chipper has said recently, he intends to concentrate solely on hitting this off-season – not a new position.

    And one more thing… I’ll bet you that if Chipper rebounds offensively in 2010, his defense will reflect it. Betcha…

    (That said, Lopez is batting .308 with a .379 OBP as a switch-hitting leadoff hitter. Hmmm…)


  266. 284 Voice of Raisins September 18, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    Yikes!!! 😯

    Felipe Lopez is a Scot Boras ( 👿 ) client. Nevermind!!!


  267. 285 Voice of Raisins September 18, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    Sporting News has a story on Chipper’s possible “retirement” after 2010. Actually there is a little tidbit in this one I haven’t seen before.

    “If I back up this year with the same kind of year next year, I don’t want to play the game,” Jones told The Associated Press. “The game is not fun to me when I’m not playing up to my standards.

    “I just feel like there are other things I’d rather be doing. Family has a lot do to with it. My boys are getting big enough now, my two littlest ones are going to be starting ball and grade school. I just feel like I want to be there for all that.”

    The article also touches on Bobby’s contract situation.



  268. 286 Gil in Mechanicsville September 18, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    Like I said, 2010 will be the Bobby and Chipper farewell tour. While it is hard to project carry-over from one year to the next, I will go out on a limb (yeah, I know, not like I am putting up my house or anything) and predict the Braves to be very serious contenders next year. Of course, that’s barring injuries to 3/5 of their starting rotation next season… The club is much better than last year’s squad and it is only going to take a few tweaks to get the offense going. They sure do look great when they get their mojo on.

    I had a great day today. Went to an event called Field Day of the Past. For us old timers, it a wonderful event. All tyes of antique machinery and crafts and cars and well…. lots of neat stuff…. What was scary was I could name all the old cars from the 30s to the 70s by make, model and year (usually within a year) by sight. I could not tell you the difference between a Ford and a Toyota if it’s been made in the last 10 years. All of them look the same to me now.


  269. 287 Voice of Raisins September 18, 2009 at 6:24 pm

    Ken Rosenthal:

    Cardinals pitching coach Dave Duncan deserves credit for the many turnarounds and breakthroughs he has overseen. But the true measure of his worth might be easier to assess if his 14-year run with the organization ends after this season.

    Tony La Russa and Duncan might be the best manager-pitching coach combination in the game. But, as recently detailed by Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Duncan could depart over philosophical differences with the Cardinals’ minor-league department and his frustration with the media’s treatment of his son Chris, a former Cardinal.

    La Russa, who is in the last year of his contract, probably would not follow Duncan — if anything, his leverage with the Cardinals only would increase, and he has little motivation to bolt. None of the potential managerial openings — Houston, Baltimore, Washington, Cleveland — are anywhere near as attractive as St. Louis.

    Would Atlanta be? Drool, drool…


  270. 288 Voice of Raisins September 18, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    2night’s lineup:

    1. N8, CF
    2. Marteeen, 3B
    3. MattyD, RF
    4. Mac, C
    5. Esco, SS
    6. GAnderson, LF
    7. Rochey, 1B
    8. Omar, 2B
    9. Huddy, P


  271. 289 Voice of Raisins September 18, 2009 at 6:38 pm

    Hold the bus!!! Chipper has deemed himself a go!

    Revised lineup:

    1. N8, CF
    2. Marteeen, 2B
    3. Chipper, 3B
    4. Mac, C
    5. Esco, SS
    6. GAnderson, LF
    7. MattyD, RF
    8. Rochey, 1B
    9. Huddy, P


  272. 290 flbravesgirl September 18, 2009 at 6:44 pm

    I hope you don’t mean would Atlanta be attractive to LaRussa, VOR. I can’t stand that man.


  273. 291 flbravesgirl September 18, 2009 at 6:47 pm

    I kind of feel as if Chipper’s talking himself into this retirement idea. I’m sure it’s quite scary to realize that you’re just about at the end of what you’ve worked your whole life for.


  274. 292 flbravesgirl September 18, 2009 at 10:45 pm

    That was most unpleasant.


  275. 293 Gil in Mechanicsville September 19, 2009 at 7:41 am

    I turned it off after Acosta made a skate save on the second shot through the box. I think it was 7-3 then, I read that it got worse….

    Raisins, Atlanta won’t pony up much money for a manager. LaRussa will demand top shelf pay.


  276. 294 Carolina Lady September 19, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    The Phillies ‘magic number’ is 8.

    The Braves are 8.5 back.


  277. 296 Gil in Mechanicsville September 19, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    It’s a good thing I don’t have to mow the lawn in the winter because I am getting really tired of doing it now….

    CL, I am afraid the Braves are going to fall just a little bit short this year, they just are not good enough to make up for April and May. That said, I am very encouraged about next season. A big bopper who is not over the hill should do just the trick…


  278. 297 Carolina Lady September 19, 2009 at 4:51 pm

    Gil, I have NO hopes for post-season play by the Braves this year! In fact, I think it will do them good to miss AGAIN! Had GA lived up to our expectations, it might be a different story! Or Chipper? Or that other guy who used to be in RF – the one on the team that is 20-something games back. Yep, need a bat or two! Three would be better yet!


  279. 298 Savannah Guy September 19, 2009 at 9:29 pm

    No hopes for a Braves entry into postseason play is a sound and rational hope that should be achieved. Still… they are winning tonight. Not that I’m watching. I’m not. Nope. Why? Because my local yokel cable station deems it not worthy of airing. I don’t know the reason. Too expensive? Dunno. Disinterest because they are out of it? Doubtful. It’s the money. They are too cheap and maybe Liberty is asking too much. I have no idea. You’d think that Georgia residents might catch a break. No.

    Instead of watching the Braves attempt to keep hope alive while playing the only team that could make a difference in their fate, a game in which was announced on TV and listed in the newspaper as airing on CSS at 7:00, we get the supreme honor and thrill of watching Southeastern Louisiana play Mississippi.

    Oh, sorry. My bad. Just venting here. I get this way every year when every college football game preempts everything else. I also get this way when the Braves are scheduled, then preempted for a worthless, out of state, out of conference meaningless college football game. Sorry college football fans… I’d rather see the Braves even if they have no hope.

    I’m just being cranky. At least PresBO didn’t preempt anything today. That’s a rare bright spot on TV.


  280. 299 Savannah Guy September 19, 2009 at 9:39 pm

    Watching Gameday is so bizarre. Better than nothing, but strange. Wonder how accurate the pitch box is?


  281. 300 Savannah Guy September 19, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    Will the Braves manager, Mac or any of our pitchers ever figure out that you can’t let Ryan Howard extend his arms on a pitch? Or are our pitchers just not locating when he’s batting… ever?



  282. 301 flbravesgirl September 19, 2009 at 10:10 pm

    Did that 9th look as bad on Gameday as it did on ExtraInnings, SG? 😯


  283. 302 Gil in Mechanicsville September 19, 2009 at 10:19 pm

    Whew….. Almost grasped defeat from the jaws of victory. I cannot repeat what Miss Josie had to say about Soriano’s performance but it was not very lady like….


  284. 303 flbravesgirl September 19, 2009 at 10:22 pm

    I’d have to agree with Miss Josie.


  285. 304 Carolina Lady September 19, 2009 at 10:40 pm

    I’m sure Miss Josie is always a lady – just a little – uh – colorful now and then! Always with good cause!!

    And I agree with what I imagine she said! 😆


  286. 305 Gil in Mechanicsville September 20, 2009 at 5:30 am

    I don’t think she would be too upset if Soriano signs with another team next season… 🙂 Gonzo either… As for me. well.. I hope Peter’s arm does not fall off… 🙂


  287. 306 berigan2electricboogaloo September 20, 2009 at 7:11 am

    Catch a bit of the games on the radio, but always out and about during games, it seems…plus, with houseguest(He just left this A.M.) just seeing highlights on baseball tonight…and half the time, that show is preempted by something, anything. Soccer delayed it one night…


  288. 307 berigan2electricboogaloo September 20, 2009 at 7:22 am

    Lets see…who was the last successful side armed closer??? Kent Tekulve????


  289. 308 berigan2electricboogaloo September 20, 2009 at 7:25 am

    Peter Gammons on Victor Martinez of the Red Sox…(More stuff on that page, including talk of Kotchman)
    The fact he is one of those rare switch-hitters whose swing is very similar from both sides of the plate is invaluable. And so is his knack for driving in runs.

    Go early and watch Martinez take batting practice. He doesn’t try to play home run derby. He doesn’t wait for perfect pitches. You’ll see him swing at pitches off the plate and dump ugly line drives into the outfield. His BPs are reminiscent of one of the great RBI machines of the ’70s and ’80s, Eddie Murray.

    It’s no coincidence. “Eddie was my hitting coach when I came up with the Indians,” says Martinez. “He taught me so much about what pitchers might try to do, what to look for, how to prepare. He told me to take BP at 70 percent. Don’t try to hit everything hard. He taught me that when there are runners on base, take what the pitcher gives you and get the runners in. It doesn’t matter what it looks like, what’s important is knocking in your teammates and winning.”

    somehow, I just don’t think that is T.P.’s hitting philosophy


  290. 309 Savannah Guy September 20, 2009 at 7:45 am

    FBG, I imagine it was ugly on Gameday even with that antiquated looking hitter graphic that looks like something just on this side of pac man… but I didn’t see it, thankfully. Going into the 9th leading 6-0 I figured it was safe to walk the dog. If I had seen it I would have probably been saying what Josie was saying.

    Soriano obviously has a good arm (albeit injury prone), but I’ve never believed Soriano had the right head to be a closer. Neither does Gonzo. Pitchers with good ‘stuff’ are a dime a dozen. Finding one that is smart enough to know how to get batters out, or know the batter and the situation well enough to let the batter get themselves out, are as rare as diamonds.

    In the last two decades we’ve had only one authentic, dependable, unflappable, consistent closer and that was Smoltz. Other than that, we’ve seen alternately brilliant and horrid performances from Soriano, Gonzo, Wohlers, Rocker, on and on. Like a box of choc-o-lates.

    Having good stuff is very good in the closer business but that ain’t what does the trick.


  291. 310 Savannah Guy September 20, 2009 at 7:48 am

    who was the last successful side armed closer?



  292. 311 Salty September 20, 2009 at 9:57 am

    Wasn’t Garber side-armed…or was he ‘twirly-bird’?


  293. 312 Carolina Lady September 20, 2009 at 11:35 am

    Salty, I think Garber was side-arm – wouldn’t bet much money on it, though….. Somehow the ol’ memory doesn’t seem to be what it useta was! 😦


  294. 313 Savannah Guy September 20, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    Citizens rarely know what really goes on in Washington.

    Behind closed doors at the Capital.


  295. 314 berigan2electricboogaloo September 20, 2009 at 7:16 pm

    Well, that final nail got hammered into the coffin….again. 😕


  296. 315 berigan2electricboogaloo September 20, 2009 at 7:18 pm

    Remember Zbigniew Brzezinski from the Carter admin??? Sounds like he thinks we should shoot down Israeli planes, if they fly over “our” airspace in Iraq to knock out Nuke facilities in Iran.



  297. 316 Carolina Lady September 20, 2009 at 7:58 pm

    We’re inching up toward the magic 500-comment WP meltdown. Anybody got some thoughts for a lead??

    Gil!! You get back here!!!


  298. 317 Gil in Mechanicsville September 20, 2009 at 10:09 pm

    Uh oh….


  299. 319 Carolina Lady September 20, 2009 at 10:55 pm

    This is the caption under a photo on the Fox News site:

    “Undated photo of Phillip Arnold Paul, a criminally insane killer who escaped during a mental hospital field trip.”

    A criminally insane killer on a FIELD TRIP???? Are they kidding???

    On what kind of field trip do you take a “criminally insane killer”?? The Mall? The Zoo? A movie?

    Just unbelievable!!


  300. 320 Carolina Lady September 20, 2009 at 11:00 pm

    AHA! I found the answer:

    “Police continued to search Sunday for Philip Arnold Paul, who escaped Thursday during a trip to a county fair.”

    WHO is the idiot who thought of this?!


  301. 321 Carolina Lady September 20, 2009 at 11:03 pm

    It gets better:

    “Spokane County sheriff’s spokesman Dave Reagan said the 47-year-old Paul left little clothing behind in his hospital room and carried a backpack and $50 on the outing.”

    Ok, let’s see here:
    We have a certified INSANE KILLER
    going on a FIELD TRIP
    to a public COUNTY FAIR
    carrying a BACK PACK and MONEY

    Uh, did no one notice any of this? Backpack????? No one questioned it???

    I’m incredulous!


  302. 322 berigan2electricboogaloo September 21, 2009 at 12:14 am

    CL, Insane Killers are people too! Fire departments, and libraries can be closed, but doggonit, you cannot take away trips for the criminally insane! Or their $50. 🙄
    How do you fix a system so very broken???


  303. 323 berigan2electricboogaloo September 21, 2009 at 5:24 am

    Folks, there is some serious rain totals here in Georgia, and I assume Alabama and South Carolina! toccoa georgia has had about 18 inches in the last 24 hours!!! 😯 Either Douglasville, or Douglas county has had a foot of rain in less than 24 hours! Many roads are simply impassible! Hopefully everyone in and around the ATL is aok!
    We haven’t had the same sort of rain here, south of Atlanta, but we have had ants come in via the front door, the bathroom, and now somewhere in the kitchen…Not sure the rain is the main cause, but whether it is or isn’t, GRRRR!


  304. 324 berigan2electricboogaloo September 21, 2009 at 5:26 am

    There are some serious rain totals….

    Parts of 85 are closed, Douglas and Paulding co. schools are closed. How often do you hear of schools closing because of rain, and not snow?????


  305. 325 Voice of Raisins September 21, 2009 at 7:51 am

    glub, glub, gurgle, gurgle…


  306. 326 Voice of Raisins September 21, 2009 at 8:00 am

    Police: Giants’ prospect a suspect in killing

    AP-SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic — A Dominican baseball prospect for the San Francisco Giants is the main suspect in the killing of a 25-year-old man, police said Sunday.

    Angel Villalona turned himself in 12 hours after the man was shot at a bar in the southern coastal city of La Romana, Coronel Adrian Urbaez told The Associated Press.

    Villalona was signed by the San Francisco Giants in 2006 and received a club-record $2.1 million signing bonus. He played in 74 games with a Giants minor-league team this season, posting a .267 batting average with nine home runs and 42 RBIs.

    The 19-year-old was considered the Giants’ most prized prospect when he signed and was chosen the top prospect in the Arizona Rookie League two years ago.

    Frank Micheli, president of the Azucareros del Este — Villalona’s winter baseball team — said he was aware someone was killed but that he had no further details.

    Villalona will appear in court Monday and could face up to 20 years in prison if found guilty in the Saturday night killing of Mario Felix de Jesus Velete, police said.

    Tim Dierkes of MLBTR notes that a 20 year sentence “would probably affect his prospect status.” 😆


  307. 327 Gil in Mechanicsville September 21, 2009 at 8:12 am

    Well, it appears that Tommy Hanson, much like Riva Ridge, is just not a mudder….

    Has the quadruple murder that occurred in Farmville Va received much attention in other parts of the country? Another reason to not allow teenagers access to a computer. Nut job from California flew in to meet his on line girlfriend from Facebook.

    I doubt he will get off as Virgina still imposes the death penalty and Timmy Kain will not be around to stay his execution.


  308. 328 berigan2electricboogaloo September 21, 2009 at 8:33 am

    Gil, yes I did hear about the “aspiring” rap artist. Saw a photo of him too….hear he killed a minister and his family. That’s not a hate crime of course! 🙄
    I am sure some young, hotshot lawyer, more interested in fame and fortune, than justice, will be just dying to find some reason to get him off…

    Did you hear about the black kids that beat up a white kid on a bus, for him daring to sit, when no one wanted to have him sit next to them??? Cheered on by the other students??? And the bus driver didn’t do a thing to stop the beating. That isn’t a hate crime either, I’d guess…


  309. 329 Voice of Raisins September 21, 2009 at 9:14 am

    From Buck Belue at sports radio station 680theFan:

    Sure hope Bobby Cox is back managing the Braves next season. But I’ve got a hunch that we are seeing the final days of his Hall of Fame career. Normally, the skipper has signed a contract for next season by now. Could it be his great run is coming to an end? Schuerholz & Wren have always been on record as saying Bobby can manage the Braves as long as he wants to. It’s up to him. Their take is this: We’ve got one of MLB’s greatest managers ever and it’s his job until he decides to step down. I’d say Schuerholz and Wren have played this the right way, with the open-ended, hand-shake agreement. Greats like Bobby deserve that. So, why I’m I concerned that we are seeing the last of Bobby Cox in uniform? I have no inside information. Just reading between the lines. Bobby told us at Spring Training in 2007 that he would probably retire after the 2008 season. And here we are one year past that date. So, he’s been seriously considering this for 3 years now. Guess when you’re 68 years old this is something you have to consider. But the idea that he has been dwelling on it for a few years has me concerned this might be it. Cox is not one to get all caught up in the critics, but he’s aware that some fans are blaming him for 4 straight years out of the postseason. And these are the same fans that blame him for only one World Series banner flying down at Turner Field. Just wish he could feel the respect and love that the majority of the Braves fans feel for him. But the critics always scream louder than the supporters. Don’t you know that Bobby Cox wants to go out after leading the Braves back into the postseason. But that just hasn’t happened. That’s got to be frustrating for a skipper than has seen his teams win over 2,400 games. This year was his best shot to get the Braves back to playing ball in October, but they will come up short. Bobby spoke about his plans recently and talked about how he still finds the job fun. He still loves the competition. But then, he says this: “I guess I’ll be sitting down with management after the season.” That doesn’t sound to encouraging to me. Could it be that management now thinks it’s time to turn the page? Attendance is down. Four years out of the postseason. A perceived mishandling of the bullpen. Too much loyalty to Norton. Could it be they think it’s time for some new energy? And what names are on that A-List to replace Bobby? Pendleton? Fredi Gonzalez? Ned Yost? I wonder. Who is stubborn enough to follow one of the top 5 managers of all-time? And can they measure up? If this is it, let me say how much I’m going to miss seeing Bobby Cox in that Braves uniform. It’s been an honor. And thanks for all the memories.

    I think Buck has hit it on the head here…


  310. 330 Gil in Mechanicsville September 21, 2009 at 10:04 am

    yep, except the “Rap” artist is white….

    I thought Bobby’s contract ran through 2010… Guess not.

    Like the guy says, you don’t want to be the guy who replaces a legend, you want to be the guy who replaces the guy who replaces the legend.


  311. 331 Gil in Mechanicsville September 21, 2009 at 10:15 am

    We all saw how quickly Lou Pinnella’s star has snuffed out in Chicago. Even Sparky Anderson could not extend a flawed organization’s glory.


  312. 332 Voice of Raisins September 21, 2009 at 10:27 am

    I have been on record so many times its nauseating in support of Bobby, even through many questionable decisions. We’ll all have a different point of view when someone else is on the top step…

    And I, too, believe we are watching the final 2 weeks of his HOF career.


  313. 333 Voice of Raisins September 21, 2009 at 10:47 am

    And speaking of Bobby, Mark Bradley of the ajc weighs in:

    5 reasons Bobby Cox needs to hang it up now

    Even though I often think Bradley to be a complete idiot, I think I agree with pretty much everything he says…


  314. 334 Voice of Raisins September 21, 2009 at 10:51 am

    … in this column. I think I agree with pretty much everything he says in this column. I guess I should clarify that, else I looks like I always agree with someone I often believe to be a complete idiot.

    I’m rambling, aren’t I? I need more coffee…


  315. 335 Gil in Mechanicsville September 21, 2009 at 10:59 am

    What’s the old saying Raisins? Never argue with an idiot because from a distance, it is difficult for others to distinguish the difference.

    Well, if Bobby leaves, so be it. I still think next year’s club is going to be a winner. That is of course, unless a complete moron is hired to direct the club… Well, it could happen…


  316. 336 Voice of Raisins September 21, 2009 at 11:21 am

    Many believe that Ned Yost is already in line. Tough call there. On the surface, I really like him. But he lost his team in the middle of a playoff run. Even through odd decisions and tough times, Bobby NEVER lost a team. Never. Maybe Neddy can use that as a learning experience. You know – how NOT to manage late in the season..?

    One more thing. Would a new manager bring in new coaches? I think Roger has done a commendable job as pitching coach, but Leo Mazzone is on record as saying he wants to get back into a dugout.

    Now there’s an interesting thought. Y’all did know Leo was a minor league manager prior to being hired by Bobby into the Braves system, didn’t you?


  317. 337 Voice of Raisins September 21, 2009 at 11:26 am

    Gil, all indications are that the Braves will certainly field a real contender in 2010. But dang, there are alot of questions about next year’s team.

    Will Bobby be back?
    Will Chipper be HOF Chipper, or 2009 Chipper?
    Who will play 1B?
    Will Schafer need more time after missing so much of ’08 and ’09?
    Does JHey need more seasoning?
    Who will play LF?
    Do you pick up Huddy’s option, extend him, or let him go?
    What about Javy?
    Will KJ be back?

    It really is alot of question marks for a team that should be in contention…


  318. 338 Carolina Lady September 21, 2009 at 12:24 pm

    😆 I’m sure glad you clarified that, Raisins! I was thinking – “Wait a minute, VOR….”


  319. 339 Voice of Raisins September 21, 2009 at 12:33 pm

    … tough morning.

    I am so glad I don’t have to drive around in the deluge. All around the Atlanta area, there are reports of roads closed due to rain related accidents, roads impassable due to standing water, roads completely washed away, and even one report of a major mudslide.

    I think I even saw the wildlife in my area starting to organize into groups of 2.

    And just where is gopherwood to be found these days?


  320. 340 flbravesgirl September 21, 2009 at 12:39 pm

    😯 Dad is on his way to Tiger today with friends. I hope the roads are passable. Not too worried about the house because it’s up on the ridge but the road could certainly flood at the bottom of the hill. My aunt sent pics yesterday from their house in SC & their backyard resembled a river.


  321. 342 Carolina Lady September 21, 2009 at 12:46 pm

    Wow! A really neat ride in a B-17! Some of the neatest photography shots I’ve seen! You’ll enjoy this!!



  322. 343 Salty September 21, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    Well…always said when the fairway behind the house looks like a river, it’s time to head to Lowes. So, compiling the list:
    1. Lumber
    2. Epoxy
    3. Fiberglass
    4. Ark Design workbook…Better Homes & Gardens isn’t such a good source!
    5. Bilge pumps…several of them!
    6. Batteries….bilge pumps need power!
    7. Dramamine…can’t assume sea legs will come soon!
    8. Plenty of other ‘stuff’!

    Yep, VOR…same thing here: lots of animals ‘pairing off’! Saw fish jumping on the second fairway…my basement gives indications it wants to convert to indoor swimming…at least it’ll be heated! 🙄

    Sheesh…lots and lots of rain. We’ve had at least 8-10 inches in the past five days…I’m thinking half of it since last night. Finally, it’s down to sprinkles. Nice new pond out front…maybe we’ll plant some cranberries!

    And the radar shows more coming! Meanwhile, it’s not raining in Atlanta proper, but north of the perimeter…yikes! When Lake Lanier rises a foot in one day, you know it’s wet! http://lanier.uslakes.info/Level.asp Just so you know I’m not exaggerating…though Raisins can vouch!


  323. 344 Carolina Lady September 21, 2009 at 1:10 pm

    Y’all got your water wings handy??!! Jiminy!!! It’s sunny, 81 degrees, 61% humidity here – – – Got a spare room, too.


  324. 345 Salty September 21, 2009 at 1:12 pm

    Patience is a virtue…always knew I’d have waterfront property one day! Never really gave thought to having my own island, though! 😆


  325. 346 Voice of Raisins September 21, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    Forecast calls for another possible 5 inches with the next wave of rain approaching from the west. Thankfully, in my immediate area, there are no ill effects from the torrent… yet.

    My backyard did have some issues earlier this year, but I had some catch basins and drainage installed about 5-6 weeks ago. Whew! Talk about good timing…


  326. 347 Salty September 21, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    Five inches simply won’t do here in Woodstock…it’s been falling non-stop since 6:00AM…mostly light rain prior to that. With any luck…a wiggle north or south would be welcome. Not trying to be selfish, au contraire…simply want to share in the bounty!!! :mrgreen:

    Drought…what drought?


  327. 349 berigan2electricboogaloo September 21, 2009 at 2:44 pm

    yep, except the “Rap” artist is white….
    Gil, that’s why I mentioned seeing a photo, lest anyone think I was being racist….Of course, I have questioned decisions made by our prez, so clearly I am racist. 😕


  328. 350 berigan2electricboogaloo September 21, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    V, for reasons only known to God, I somehow imagined you were NW of ATL, not NE, near Athens…not always the sharpest tool in the…the, the you know….

    And I was cracked up by your comments about Mark Bradley, after you explained what you really meant to say. Totally missed it the first time…I knew what you meant. And I seem to get worse and worse trying to make sense whilst typing. Of course I haven’t had a cup of coffee in months….could that be a reason????

    Salty, thanks for the linky dink to Lake Lanier! I swear I tried to find one like that in the past, but no luck. I really like the 2 very nearly identical blue lines. Which one is for which year???? Leave it to gov group to do something like that …


  329. 351 berigan2electricboogaloo September 21, 2009 at 2:58 pm

    And checking the regional, animated map…it doesn’t look good for at least another day! 😦
    First thunder I have heard in days here now…but we really have lucked out on the rain totals here. Way up on hill here, but back in 1994, we had so much rain over the 4th, we were stuck in the subdivision as it was flooded at the bottom….


  330. 352 Salty September 21, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    Just used the wet vac on water in the unfinished area of the basement…first time in 15+ years here. Then again, haven’t seen rain like this since ’94, either, when the tropical storms made Valdosta gulf coast frontage property! There’s a reason they’re called basements! 😆


  331. 353 Salty September 21, 2009 at 3:57 pm

    On the Lake Lanier link, you click on the year for the graph you want to see. It ain’t rocket science, Ber! 😛


  332. 354 Salty September 21, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    Raisins….looks like the heavy stuff has your area in its sites!


  333. 355 Voice of Raisins September 21, 2009 at 4:06 pm

    Sure looks that way, doesn’t it? Sounds that way, too. I can hear the thunder.

    We just had a short break in the downpour, so I got the dog out for a quick walk… he was thankful and so was I. We’re back in and the rain has returned. Timing is everything.


  334. 356 Salty September 21, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    I don’t know who’s doing the rain dance, but for sure, I’m gonna pull the plug on the music! 👿


  335. 357 Voice of Raisins September 21, 2009 at 4:20 pm

    I think it’s more of a whole Chorus Line!


  336. 358 Carolina Lady September 21, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    Y’all be careful down there! Sounds really bad!!


  337. 359 Salty September 21, 2009 at 5:30 pm


    Extry….Extry! Read all about it! Animals Pairing Off as Waters Rise!


    The I575 closure is…uh…me! 😦 But…it hasn’t rained in the past thirty minutes…and only light stuff the past couple of hours. Things are looking up. Now, off Raisin’s way…not so much! Hunker down, Dude!


  338. 360 Gil in Mechanicsville September 21, 2009 at 6:12 pm

    Yes, when you get those slow moving systems decide to park themselves over your abode, there is little you can do about it besides making sure you have a life jacket handy….

    For sure you hope the county has maintained the drainage systems…

    Salty… That could be one tough water hazard on that hole….


  339. 361 Carolina Lady September 21, 2009 at 6:22 pm

    Carefully read this from the ajc link:

    “Deep flood waters brought traffic to a stop, forcing some motorists to climb on the roofs of cars and wade to safety.”

    How big are the cars down there, anyway?!


  340. 362 Salty September 21, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    Gil…and to think there is a water hazard already…just occupies a second zip code now!

    CL, you have to ask yourself why they’re driving into the water so far before they realize, “Uh, oh!” Sadly, a woman called her family around 5:00AM saying the road had suddenly been swallowed up by a nearby creek. Emergency services were sent straight away…found her vehicle several hundred yards downstream. She wasn’t the only fatality, as you saw from the AJC links.

    The storms here in Woodstock kept forming just southwest of here and training over us. When Ma Nature makes up her mind…you have to buckle up and hold on. Quite a day.

    If you looked at the Lake Lanier link earlier, go back now and look…the level is up again. There’s an article in the AJC saying the water flow into the Lake is at near-record levels. These past few days have been a ‘perfect storm’ of sorts. Not everyone gets wet daily, but over the past week, no one has escaped less than six inches of rain.


  341. 363 Carolina Lady September 21, 2009 at 8:04 pm

    Here’s To The Heroes!

    I know some of you have family and/or friends in the military and I wanted to share this with you.


  342. 366 Gil in Mechanicsville September 21, 2009 at 10:16 pm

    Tis the season CL… first of many I would suspect.


  343. 367 Carolina Lady September 21, 2009 at 10:27 pm

    It will sure be interesting, won’t it?! Musical teams.


  344. 368 berigan2electricboogaloo September 21, 2009 at 10:40 pm

    CL, weird that the astros would fire a guy this late in the year…he’s not the reason Lance Berkman didn’t hit much…well,from the article they did say they were lethargic of late….

    Oh, the braves beat up the mets, so it was a good day today! 🙂


  345. 369 Carolina Lady September 21, 2009 at 10:54 pm

    I agree, Ber! Two weeks to go – seems pointless to me. The quotes from their management for the reason seems a little lame to me.

    Do the Mets people still frequent the ajc blog? I wouldn’t think so!


    Y’all stay dry!!


  346. 370 flbravesgirl September 21, 2009 at 11:25 pm

    Dad made it to Tiger ok. We’ve had a lot of difficulty getting in touch, cell phones are very hit or miss with their connections. I wonder if some of the towers have been knocked out.


  347. 371 berigan2electricboogaloo September 22, 2009 at 5:12 am

    :ןןoɹ: ¡¡¡ǝq ʎɐɯ ןןǝʍ ʎɹǝʌ ı ¿¿¿¿¿ɯ˙ɐ sıɥʇ uʍop ǝpısdn sı pןɹoʍ ǝɥʇ ǝʞıן ןǝǝɟ noʎ op ‘ǝuoʎɹǝʌǝ ʎǝɥ


  348. 372 berigan2electricboogaloo September 22, 2009 at 5:28 am

    🙂 ¡¡¡¡¡pןo ʇǝƃ ɹǝʌǝ ‘ɹǝʌǝu ןןıʍ sıɥʇ


  349. 373 berigan2electricboogaloo September 22, 2009 at 5:34 am

    FBG, glad your Dad made it aok! I hope he will listen to the radio….the flooding is just as bad(if not worse) this a.m. even though it isn’t raining…the soil ain’t the sandy stuff in Florida that can take seemingly any amount of water…


  350. 374 Salty September 22, 2009 at 6:04 am

    5.6 inches yesterday here in Woodstock…over 9 inches Sunday and Monday…and over 13 inches since last Tuesday! West of Atlanta, and north of Raisin’s turf, I’ve heard over 20 inches the past week. Raisins, you doing backstroke?


  351. 375 Savannah Guy September 22, 2009 at 7:01 am

    Hope all you guys are surviving the monsoon. It’s times like this many folks appreciate their home and property elevation and drainage, and the condition of their trees and such.

    Since it looks like more on the way for the Atlanta area, you won’t be dry but hopefully you’re high. Wait, that came out wrong. 😯

    CL, look out for Fred’s remnants. Then again, you probably could use a good soaking. We could use a few days of rain here.


  352. 376 Salty September 22, 2009 at 7:19 am

    Ya know…if we can put a man on the moon…why can’t we create a system of canals/viaducts to move water from one area to another? Doesn’t it seem silly to flood in one spot, and have a drought a mere 300 miles away? Look at the job creation, the energy source to be utilized, transportation capabilities (maybe 🙄 ) and the agricultural impact. How’s that for stimulus?

    Then again…the backlash from environmentalists will stop everything. Alas…to the moon…and BEYOND!!!


  353. 377 Voice of Raisins September 22, 2009 at 8:25 am

    It’s times like this many folks appreciate their home and property elevation and drainage, and the condition of their trees and such.

    Yep, that is the truth right there. We had some minor drainage issues in my back yard earlier this year, and had a couple of catch-basins and a drainage line installed. (That’s when they cut my phone/data line.) Man am I ever glad about the timing of that decision! Without it, my back yard would be a pond right now, and my septic system would be in my living room. 😯

    Alas (first on blog?), we are located such that there are no flooding issues right here. Now, amazingly, there are many houses nearby that are suddenly lakefront property…


  354. 378 Voice of Raisins September 22, 2009 at 8:49 am

    So Kanye West had something to say about the flooding in Atlanta:


  355. 379 Voice of Raisins September 22, 2009 at 9:26 am

    NY Post:

    Jeff Francoeur told The Post yesterday that [Jason] Marquis, whom he considers a close friend, desperately wants to pitch for the Mets next season, even as the veteran right-hander focuses on helping the Rockies clinch a wild-card berth. “He’d love to come here,” Francoeur.

    Nice job, Jeffrey. The guy’s in a playoff hunt, and you’re throwing him under the bus with the Rockies fans. Francoeur is and idiot…


  356. 380 Carolina Lady September 22, 2009 at 11:57 am

    One piece of duct tape the size of his mouth would be very beneficial to Francoeur!

    Salty, “why can’t we create a system of canals/viaducts to move water from one area to another?” Called ditches. Can do. EPA doesn’t allow!


  357. 381 Voice of Raisins September 22, 2009 at 12:45 pm

    Gordon Edes, Yahoo! Sports:

    Another situation that bears watching is in Atlanta, where manager Bobby Cox has been hedging about whether he will be back. According to a major league source, the relationship between Cox and GM Frank Wren deteriorated during the spring to the point that Cox packed his bag and climbed into his car to drive home from spring training until dissuaded from doing so by one of his coaches.

    Cox was unhappy at the way the John Smoltz issue had been handled, the source said, and because he had not been kept up to speed on other personnel decisions. The relationship appears to have been patched up, although the parting with Tom Glavine was another strained episode, and the expectation is that Cox will be back because he’s excited that the Braves have another core of young talent developing. Stay tuned.

    I wonder just how accurate that report is. I can’t imagine that incident could have occured without someone reporting it, but who knows?

    I also can’t discern if Edes is betting he’ll be gone, or he’ll be back. He kind of hedges on both fronts. It almost smacks of a little sensationalism to me.

    But what do I know?


  358. 382 Voice of Raisins September 22, 2009 at 12:49 pm

    Here’s another little factoid to chew on:

    Jim Fregosi’s name has been bandied about in conversations about other managerial openings. You know where he is currently employed, right?

    Yep, he is currently employed as an advanced scout by the…

    … Atlanta Braves.

    Just sayin’…


  359. 383 flbravesgirl September 22, 2009 at 1:05 pm

    Wren seems to know what he’s doing as GM but it appears that he needs to work on his people skills a tad.


  360. 384 Carolina Lady September 22, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    If you need a good laugh: (group of British firemen spoof the British flight team, The Red Arrows)


  361. 385 Carolina Lady September 22, 2009 at 1:40 pm

    747 + Red Arrows AWESOME closeups of the Boeing!


  362. 386 berigan2electricboogaloo September 22, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    No one has any comments about my posts around 5 am??? 😥

    V, that Kanye West photo is very 😀

    CL, those British firefighters clearly have too much free time! 😉


  363. 387 Voice of Raisins September 22, 2009 at 4:09 pm

    For what it’s worth, Ben Nicholson-Smith at MLBTR predicts Rochey to return to Atlanta for 2 years/$16MM. I think he could maybe get a little more elsewhere on a 2 year deal, and I really believe he wants a 3 year deal. He can get that, too. Frank is gonna have to really do his homework on this one…


  364. 388 Voice of Raisins September 22, 2009 at 4:22 pm


    Despite an attendance decline and the likelihood of a fourth consecutive season out of the playoffs, a top Braves official [Terry McGuirk] is bullish about the future and said there are no plans to trim payroll or sell the team again.

    Another point was a commitment by Liberty Media to retain ownership at least for the current collective bargaining agreement, which runs through the 2011 season. McGuirk said he believes Liberty Media is “enjoying” ownership of the team so much that it might keep it for years beyond that.

    While the Braves aren’t likely to raise payroll significantly — it’s probably not going to $100 million soon — McGuirk said it could increase some if team officials agree that’s necessary.

    Full article:



  365. 389 Carolina Lady September 22, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    Ber, don’t feel like the Lone Ranger! Very few of my posts generate comment – which could say something about my posts! 😆

    OK – how did you do it??


  366. 390 Salty September 22, 2009 at 5:22 pm

    Ber…you want your comment…here it is! Never, ever do something like that before my first cup of coffee!!! 👿

    You were really bored, weren’t you.

    CL, he held his laptop upside down while he typed! :mrgreen:


  367. 391 berigan2electricboogaloo September 22, 2009 at 5:32 pm

    CL, here is how you too can annoy others!


  368. 392 Voice of Raisins September 22, 2009 at 5:48 pm



  369. 393 Carolina Lady September 22, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    That is now bookmarked!! 😆


  370. 394 Voice of Raisins September 22, 2009 at 5:50 pm


    I guess it helps if you copy and paste the upside down one and not the original one… 😳


  371. 395 Carolina Lady September 22, 2009 at 5:50 pm

    Can you see Ber’s next lead?? 😯 😯


  372. 396 Voice of Raisins September 22, 2009 at 5:51 pm

    Don’t give him any ideas!!!


  373. 397 Carolina Lady September 22, 2009 at 6:35 pm

    😆 You’ll get the hang of it, Raisins!


  374. 398 Salty September 22, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    ¿ʞuıɥʇ ɐɥɔʇɐɥʍ ¡ʇɥƃnoɥʇ ǝʌıʇɐǝɹɔ sǝʇɐןnɯıʇs pɐǝɥ ʎɯ uo ƃuıpuɐʇs ʇɐɥʇ punoɟ ı

    :mrgreen: I catch on quick!!!!


  375. 399 Carolina Lady September 22, 2009 at 7:10 pm

    😆 Can you see visitors trying to figure out what in the heck is going on?? I should delete the link! 😆


  376. 400 Carolina Lady September 22, 2009 at 7:15 pm

    Today has been Fill CL’s Email Inbox Day! I normally get a ton of stuff, but today has broken all records, I think!

    Delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete – – Rinse and repeat as necessary!



  377. 401 Carolina Lady September 22, 2009 at 7:18 pm

    Oh! I just found out how to play with SG’s mind!!

    There’s a way to turn someone’s laptop screen upside down! Well, he doesn’t really have a real computer, anyway – 😆


  378. 402 Savannah Guy September 22, 2009 at 7:22 pm

    tsk, tsk… oh, ye of Mac envy. 😆



  379. 403 Salty September 22, 2009 at 7:48 pm

    Uh, oh…CL! SG’s added lurking to his M.O.!!! 😯


  380. 405 Savannah Guy September 22, 2009 at 8:35 pm

    Lurking? Yikes. That’s a creepy thought. Like being sneaky or eavesdropping or being a peeping tom and such. Yikes. Ouch. 😯

    Nope Salty… just got a chance to get off the treadmill (not the exercise kind), dropped in to catch up and, lo and behold… couldn’t leave without getting all upside down and such after CL’s Mac attack. Still dizzy from that. Typing upside down is tough.

    By the by CL, the CDC reported today that all PC users should get as many as five vaccinations. Two for themselves and three for their virus prone computers. :mrgreen:


  381. 406 Carolina Lady September 22, 2009 at 9:05 pm

    I’m gonna git you, SG! But I look at it this way: at least I have a genuine, honest-to-goodness computer! Macs come from McDonald’s!


  382. 407 Gil in Mechanicsville September 22, 2009 at 9:21 pm



  383. 408 flbravesgirl September 22, 2009 at 11:42 pm

    Whoops! I just forwarded you something, CL. Will it not count since you won’t see it ’til tomorrow?

    I know the Mets stink this year but it’s still fun to beat them.


  384. 409 Savannah Guy September 23, 2009 at 7:14 am

    They come with fries! 😆


  385. 410 Voice of Raisins September 23, 2009 at 8:27 am

    Good morning. Someone sent this to me this morning, and I am still coming down from the laughter… a great way to start the work day. You really need to budget 10 minutes and watch the whole thing. Prepare for your stomach to hurt… 😆


  386. 411 Gil in Mechanicsville September 23, 2009 at 8:36 am

    Good morning all, I hope everyone is still high and dry…. Or at least dry. 🙂

    Anyway, the Braves played another good game last night. Not the blowouts when all know and love but still a very nice performance by JJ and even Soriano looked good. Alas, too little too late but still, it bodes well for this team. You get a sense that the Braves are back….

    It’s foggy here today, glad I am not having to drive to work in it. Then again, I am glad I don’t have to work…. Gainful employment is way overrated I think. Besides, the government seems hell bent on providing for me a life of ease and leisure at least until the great forced march to return us all to our agricultural roots to work on the collectives….


  387. 412 Gil in Mechanicsville September 23, 2009 at 8:50 am

    Raisins, there is a future for that guy as a recording artist for laugh tracks…


  388. 414 berigan2electricboogaloo September 23, 2009 at 11:36 am

    Wow! As soon as I heard that laugh I said to myself I says…a Yankee!!! Yep… 🙂

    And V, that headline! OMG!!! Someone wants to be fired! You should turn that one into the opinion journal part of the Wall St. Journal….they have headlines like that, usually on a political bent…


  389. 415 Voice of Raisins September 23, 2009 at 11:54 am

    Here’s an interesting factoid courtesy of Mark Bowman:

    Derek Lowe allowed 3 earned runs or more in just 6 of his 32 starts this season. Javier Vazquez has proven to be more impressive during his first season with Atlanta. But Vazquez has allowed more than 3 runs in 6 of his 30 starts.

    Wouldn’t have guessed that, would ya?


  390. 416 Carolina Lady September 23, 2009 at 12:04 pm

    Raisin, THANK YOU for a terrific laugh!!! That was hilarious!!


  391. 417 berigan2electricboogaloo September 23, 2009 at 12:04 pm

    Forgot the name of the site within WSJ. Best of the web. Still couldn’t find it on their site, so went a googling.

    Some of their funny headlines from yesterday…
    Their comment is first, without the quotes…

    Excellence in Undertaking
    “Rush to Unveil Federal Cemetery Regulation Law”–headline, Pantagraph (Bloomington, Ill.), Sept. 21

    It’s About Time–That Thing Was Getting Filthy!
    “Sailors Washed Off Submarine”–headline, Herald Sun (Melbourne, Australia), Sept. 19

    But Does Anyone Still Know the Combo?
    “Grand Rapids Police Find 3-Year-Old Safe More Than Hour After Van Goes Missing”–headline, Grand Rapids (Mich.) News, Sept. 21

    Remember This Prediction
    “Report: Alzheimer’s Cases to Nearly Double Every 20 Years”–headline, CNN.com, Sept. 21

    Look Out Below!
    “Mojave Desert Solar Thermal Power Project Dropped”–headline, Associated Press, Sept. 18

    It’s Always in the Last Place You Look
    “Astronomers Find Coldest Spot in Solar System”–headline, FoxNews.com, Sept. 18


  392. 418 Voice of Raisins September 23, 2009 at 12:05 pm

    Chipper would have to hit 3 more homers over the last 10 games to continue his streak of seasons with 20 or more. If we are truly out of any realistic playoff hunt, and I am as optimistic as anybody, then that is one thing I will root hard for over the next 2 weeks.


  393. 419 berigan2electricboogaloo September 23, 2009 at 12:08 pm

    V, Bowman’s wrong! 7 times Lowe has given up more than 3 runs I count…


  394. 420 Voice of Raisins September 23, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    Actually, Ber, Bowman says “3 or more”… that adds even more – 16 by my count. I knew that didn’t sound right. Wonder where Bowman got his numbers? Maybe he had a moment of temporary dementia.


  395. 421 Voice of Raisins September 23, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    Mark Bradley, ajc:

    Gordon Edes reported Tuesday that [Bobby] Cox had been so angry over the handling of John Smoltz’s departure and the failure to be included in personnel discussions he packed his bag and had to be talked out of leaving spring training by a Braves coach. Asked if that had indeed happened, Cox said, “No.”

    Asked this morning about his [contract] status — Cox, who’s 68, is not under contract beyond this season and hasn’t said whether he’ll return for the 2010 season — Cox said: “We’ll probably have an announcement when we get off this road trip.”

    The Braves play their final road game of the regular season in Washington on Sunday. They return to Turner Field for the season’s last week beginning Monday night against Florida.

    My money says he’s back for one final season in 2010, then both he and Chipper ride off into the sunset.


  396. 422 Voice of Raisins September 23, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    Should’ve added this para:

    Bobby Cox responded this morning to a Yahoo! Sports report of discord between him and Braves GM Frank Wren. Said Cox, speaking via iPhone from New York: “Everything is fine. Frank has been outstanding … I couldn’t believe it when I [learned of the report].


  397. 423 berigan2electricboogaloo September 23, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    V, you’re right! I thought something seemed….wrong about the way it was written…but I only slept about 3 1/2 hours, and my…whatyacallit, condensation??? Condemnation??? Comprehension!!! Thats it! It ain’t what it should be…but I did know Lowe had sucked more than 6 times all year! 🙂


  398. 424 Voice of Raisins September 23, 2009 at 12:51 pm

    Buster Olney’s Insider report regarding Bobby, “borrowed” from a post that “borrowed” it from ESPN:

    Baseball could soon lose a giant

    Wednesday, September 23, 2009

    Bobby Cox first mentioned walking away from baseball in the spring of 2008, and when word of this reached Gene Michael, a former teammate and longtime friend of Cox, Michael burst out laughing. “He’s not going anywhere,” Michael said. “He’s a lifer. What else is he going to do?”

    Cox signed with the Dodgers in 1959, reached the majors in 1968 and played for a couple of seasons, and incredibly, this is the 29th year that Cox has managed a major league team. There will be a day when he will be inducted into the Hall of Fame. For those almost three decades’ worth of seasons, players have heard Cox cheerily call to them from the dugout and encourage them. He has always been known as a great manager to play for because he is supportive and positive and consistent, and his players feel like he treats them with respect, and doesn’t overwhelm them with rules or his own ego.

    What has enabled Cox and Joe Torre to last as managers, I’ve always felt, is that they like players; they like people. They aren’t overwhelmed by any anger or bitterness toward the players that are increasingly younger than they are.

    But it turns out that Gene Michael might be wrong.

    It is apparently possible that sometime during the postseason, Cox is going to walk away after 2,407 victories (and counting) as a manager. His contract is set to expire and he has declined to answer questions about whether he will be coming back for 2010. Braves general manager Frank Wren also declined to address Cox’s future over the phone on Tuesday evening, saying that there will be a discussion about the topic after the season, and then an announcement.

    And if Cox walks away, baseball will lose a giant, no matter the circumstances. Only three managers have won more games — Connie Mack, John McGraw and Tony La Russa — and Cox has managed in more postseasons (15) than any other manager (Torre has 14 and almost certainly will tie him this offseason).

    OK… Frank says they will discuss after the season, and an announcement will be made then. Bobby says an announcement will be made when they return from this road trip.

    Does Bobby already know something without said discussion?


  399. 425 Carolina Lady September 23, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    My crystal ball says – one more season.

    He sees the improvement in their rotation and bullpen and he knows that Wren will go after another bat or two in the off-season. He sees the real possibility of having an honest-to-goodness contending team next year and would like to be part of another title for ATL.

    Now watch him announce his retirement! 😆


  400. 426 Gil in Mechanicsville September 23, 2009 at 1:59 pm

    I am going with my original forecast and say he and Chipper retire together next season. Gives fans a chance to say farewell.. And Bobby a chance to get it all out of his system because I suspect that when he is done, he will be all in…


  401. 427 Savannah Guy September 23, 2009 at 2:18 pm

    Bobby will retire when the Mayan calendar comes to a grinding halt in 2012 just after the earth shifts on it’s axis… and not a moment before. :mrgreen:


  402. 428 Voice of Raisins September 23, 2009 at 3:15 pm

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

    Braves rookie hazing pics! Gorecki’s is priceless!



  403. 429 flbravesgirl September 23, 2009 at 3:17 pm

    Aren’t they fantabulous, VOR? 😆


  404. 430 Voice of Raisins September 23, 2009 at 4:05 pm


    As reported on 680theFan:

    Bobby will be back for 2010, and retire at year’s end.


  405. 431 Voice of Raisins September 23, 2009 at 4:22 pm


    Braves announce that Bobby has signed a 1 year deal and will retire at the end of the 2010 season and remain in an advisory capacity with the Braves through 2015.

    Braves also announce that all coaches will return for 2010.


  406. 432 flbravesgirl September 23, 2009 at 4:26 pm

    I was kind of expecting that when they started making comments about an “announcement coming soon”. Bobby’s earned the farewell tour.


  407. 433 Voice of Raisins September 23, 2009 at 4:35 pm

    Agreed, FBG. He has earned it. And as much as we like to nitpick his day to day decision making, the Braves are a .600 team since the additions of Hanson, McLouth and LaRoche and Bobby at the helm.

    There are some who will say that they accomplished that in spite of Bobby. I do not subscribe to that theory. I believe it takes everyone from GM down to roster spot #25, including the manager.

    In 2010, carrying over a strong rotation, hopefully retaining Rochey and adding (either from inside or outside the organization) a power bat for the OF, there is absolutely no reason to think they won’t be a .600 team for all of 2010.


  408. 434 Carolina Lady September 23, 2009 at 5:10 pm

    Loved those photos!!



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