90: Where’s the Big Bopper?

Where’s the Big Bopper?

by Voice of Reason Raisins

JEFFERSON, GA – Unicorns, Bigfoot, UFO’s, Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, free lunch, government intelligence, affordable power hitting outfielder…

It’s gonna take more that a ride on the Polar Express to make me believe.

This years Free Agent crop is headlined by two premier outfielders, Jason Bay and Matt Holliday. Do I really have to go into deep detail as to why the Braves cannot be considered serous contenders in the bidding for either of these two Rolls Royces? I don’t think I do.

Past the luxury models, we can move to the more affordable, practical sedans.

For Left Field, you’ll find names such as Marlon Byrd… uh, Marlon Byrd. That’s about it. C’mon… does Marcus Thames really excite you? How about Joey Gathright? David Delucci? Folks, it ain’t there. Garret Anderson is one of the better names on that list. Really…

OK, what about Center Field? OK, there we can find Mike Cameron. Past that there’s Rick Ankiel, Andruw Jones (ugh), and Corey Patterson. Bleh!

Maybe Right Field. Maybe not. Austin Kearns? Brian Giles? Jermaine Dye? Do you really want Dye in left field? Do you remember some of the misadventures we endured with Anderson? No thanks!

Um, First Base? There you will see Adam LaRoache, Russell Branyan, Nick Johnson and a bunch of scrap. Johnson has a nice OBP, but isn’t a bopper. Branyan? Hmmm… maybe, but he wants two years guaranteed. If I’m doing that, I’m doing it for Adam and keeping him at home. That said, none of those is guaranteeing you 30+ HR’s. Branyan comes close, but there is that back thing…

Bottom line: The Big Bopper isn’t there.

What about the trade market? Adam Dunn and Josh Willingham immediately come to mind, but why would the Nationals trade their core offensive players to their division rival? Answer: they won’t. Not happenin’. Carlos Lee? Contract is too prohibitive. Delmon Young? We just traded our version of Delmon Young to the Mets. Cody Ross? See Dunn and Willingham. Brad Hawpe? Nick Swisher? Not enough power to be a bopper. Maybe Ryan Ludwick? I don’t see St. Louis trading him since Holliday is likely to sign elsewhere. The one guy who might be out there and fits the description is Adrian Gonzalez, but it is not yet determined if he’s actually going to be available, and the Padres would gut the farm system of just about everything leftover after the Tex trade. Uh, no.

Much has been said recently as to the candidacy of Dan Uggla. I’m not buying. First, he’s never logged one inning in the major leagues outside of Second Base. And he didn’t do that particularly well. Why would you take the absolute strength of your team, being pitching, and reduce it with sub-par defense? Answer: you won’t. Also, see Dunn, Willingham and Ross. The Marlins do not particularly want to make the Braves any better, and likewise the Braves do not particularly want to make the Marlins any better. That is what you call “not a match”.

And that is what Frank has to find in the trade market… a match. Who will take our surplus (pitching, KJ) and give us our need (LF, 1B, ‘pen)?

So, what can we take from all of this blather?

There isn’t a Big Bopper out there and available. We probably have a better chance of seeing the real Big Bopper rise up and sing <i>Chantilly Lace</i> as we have of landing a Big Bopper for the lineup.

So, how do we overcome that obstacle? Well, is it really an obstacle?

Three mid-level signings give you a pretty darn good team, in my view. Mike Cameron, as I have said over and over, can be had on a one year deal for around $7MM, plays stellar defense, and will give you 20-25 HR’s and 70-80 RBI. Re-sign Rochey and Gonzo, and you have a team to compete with anyone in the NL.

And we can afford that.

We need to take a step back and realize that after the acquisitions of Nate McClouth and Rochey, we played as well as anybody in the league. And that was with Chipper tanking and Garret Anderson in left field. I’ll take a whole season of both Rochey, an outfield of N8, Cameron and Diaz (and/or JHey, but that’s a separate topic).

Add that to the best starting rotation in the National League, and maybe in either league, and we have a winning team.

The best part? We still have a starter to trade… we still have ammo to fill the gaps.

And we won’t have Greg Norton.


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499 Responses to “90: Where’s the Big Bopper?”

  1. 1 Carolina Lady November 13, 2009 at 11:38 am

    Just excellent, Raisins! You’ve analyzed it perfectly! Bravo!!
    (And MANY thanks!)


  2. 2 Carolina Lady November 13, 2009 at 11:56 am

    You just have to watch this. I got chills on top of chills. (Click the HD icon)


  3. 3 Voice of Raisins November 13, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    CL… that is… uh, freaky. Chilling, as you said…


  4. 4 Gil in Mechanicsville November 13, 2009 at 4:32 pm

    Wow CL… Way neat….


  5. 5 Gil in Mechanicsville November 13, 2009 at 4:39 pm

    Raisins, great opine. It’s why I think the Braves need to re-sign LaRoache. Big boppers seems to be getting rarer these days now that peds and steroids are not allowed. It’s why guys like Fielder and Howard are making huge bucks. Bottom line is a team best hope they can grow their own bopper because few teams are going to let the ones they have get away.


  6. 6 Voice of Raisins November 13, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    We are growing one, Gil. His name is Cody Johnson, and he’ll be butchering LF in Pearl this season. Dude grips it and rips it. He’s gonna be a high HR, high K kinda guy, who will be barely tolerable to watch in the field. But he’ll have power… big power. Think Adam Dunn minus the walks.


  7. 7 Carolina Lady November 13, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    Since it has been overlooked/ignored, I repost the following from the previous lead:

    Ber, this is an order:

    Go here: https://www.google.com/

    Go to: Gmail

    and open a new account. Free, simple, easy – and for friends only.

    Thank you!

    This has been a public service announcement.

    I now return you to your regularly scheduled programming!



  8. 8 Voice of Raisins November 13, 2009 at 6:13 pm

    CL… you could always create it for him, and send him the password!

    berigan@gmail.com has a certain ring to it… 😀


  9. 9 Carolina Lady November 13, 2009 at 6:36 pm

    Now there’s a thought! Wonder if he’d actually use it?


    At the risk of displaying vast amounts of ignorance, could they (Braves, somebody) not teach Cody another position – 1B? – or has that been tried and given up?


  10. 10 Voice of Raisins November 13, 2009 at 6:56 pm

    Haven’t read anything related to that, but I imagine with FreFre slated for 1B, Cody’s gonna need to get used to LF.

    One scout said, “Below-average fielder and thrower; possesses enough athleticism to wear a glove and return ball to infield.”


    But the same scout also said, “Should become middle-of-the-order power bat on a contending team; possesses premium left-handed power. Won’t have to get it all to hit each home run; just needs to make enough contact at ML level; possesses tools to do so.”



  11. 11 Voice of Raisins November 13, 2009 at 7:02 pm

    Additionally, Baseball America has him ranked as the organization’s #9 prospect, and tagged as the Braves best power hitting prospect.


  12. 12 Gil in Mechanicsville November 13, 2009 at 7:04 pm

    I think we all believe Chipper is slated for first before his career is done. Well, everybody but Chipper. I think it may be why he lobbied so hard for his buddy LaRoche.

    We will see what happens when Bobby leaves the dugout for the last time.

    Well, it’s still raining here… I have tried stamping my feet but that has not worked… Darn….

    I was going to a gun show tomorrow but I just don’t feel up to it now…. Uh, and I just picked my boat up from the shop… OUCH!!!!


  13. 13 Voice of Raisins November 13, 2009 at 7:06 pm

    I kinda like this quote from a Sally League scout, even though it is from last year. It just kind of makes me laugh…

    Johnson turned out to be exactly as billed from everything I have read. The power is VERY real, but so is his being below average in all other aspects of his game. I see a great deal of Russ Branyan in him and believe he will have a similar career. His immense power will continue to tease and leave us wanting to believe in his being more than just a one-dimensional prospect. With that said, it would be wrong of me not to mention that in a quarter century of watching baseball in person, I would be hard pressed to recall such a mammoth shot being hit during a game situation. [Connected with 94 MPH fastball with 2 strikes for a 450-500 foot HR.] Using the phrase “light tower power” might not even to the home run justice.


  14. 14 Voice of Raisins November 13, 2009 at 7:19 pm

    Interesting perspective, there, Gil. I also believe Chipper will hang ’em up when Bobby leaves, rebounded season or not. And you’re also right that Bobby may be the only manager to allow Chipper to remain at 3B.

    He should have already been moved, except that there is nobody in the pipeline to play 3B. That has exasperated me for the longest time…

    (I really like Mat Gamel from Milwaukee. Have I mentioned that?)


  15. 15 Voice of Raisins November 13, 2009 at 7:22 pm

    How about we ship Lowe/prospect off to Milwaukee and take back Gamel and Corey Hart. (Hart was an All-Star in ’08, ya know, before having a somewhat Francoeurian season in ’09.) Maybe Lowe/KJ/Medlen for Gamel/Hart.

    Gamel takes 3B, Chipper moves across the diamond, and Hart moves into LF. 😯

    Nah… you’re right. I don’t like it either. 🙄

    I really should stop arguing with myself…


  16. 16 Carolina Lady November 13, 2009 at 7:29 pm

    But it so fascinating to see, Raisins! 😆

    And Ber now has a new email account. Not sure if he knows it yet. Sent an email.


  17. 17 Gil in Mechanicsville November 13, 2009 at 9:55 pm

    I think Hart got traded today.


  18. 18 Gil in Mechanicsville November 13, 2009 at 10:02 pm

    Funny, I can’t find the story now… Maybe I dreamed it.


  19. 19 flbravesgirl November 13, 2009 at 10:35 pm

    Excellent, VOR. And I agree, none of the possibles really excite me. Sign Rochey & a solid OF & I think we’re pretty good. The bullpen is my worry.


  20. 20 Gil in Mechanicsville November 14, 2009 at 12:13 pm

    Well, I guess everyone is busy watching football and news and skating and well, all the stuff folks watch and do on weekends.

    It has finally stopped raining here but it is still very gray and gloomy. I cleaned a bunch of pine tags off the cars. I guess they will dry out enough by the first of the week so I can begin to get them up. Too bad I cannot market these bad boys… I would be mega-rich.

    Congratulations to all the Silver Slugger Award winners. I was wondering if the award came with cracks and flaws like the bats being used by players today? I am afraid it will take a gruesome injury to occur to some high profile player for the league to actually do something about it. It is pretty simple really, just make the handles thicker…


  21. 21 Carolina Lady November 14, 2009 at 12:50 pm

    Obama’s DEEEEEEEP bow to Japanese royalty:


    “Very low bows like this are a sign of great respect and deference to a superior.


  22. 22 Gil in Mechanicsville November 14, 2009 at 1:05 pm

    Yeah, I noticed it too CL, I guess the libs will say he was just bending over to tie his shoe… What really will be telling is when he bends over to kiss the Chinese Premier’s a**…


  23. 23 Gil in Mechanicsville November 14, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    So, he bows to the Japanese emperor but snub the Queen of England… Guess that tells you where his loyalty lies.


  24. 24 Carolina Lady November 14, 2009 at 5:22 pm

    Ber has dropped out of sight. sigh…..


  25. 25 Voice of Raisins November 14, 2009 at 5:59 pm

    Been in the wrestling gym all day…

    Young Raisin finished 2nd in his weight group today. He wrestled very well, but is still angry about not taking 1st. I love his competitive drive, but he needs to lighten up a little. Just a little…

    His second match was awesome… he was 4 points down with only about 20 or so seconds left. He won 5-4 at the end. Just awesome. He is a fine young man and I am very proud of him.


  26. 26 Carolina Lady November 14, 2009 at 6:53 pm

    And you have more-than-good reason to be! Congratulations on being a really superior Dad!


  27. 27 Gil in Mechanicsville November 14, 2009 at 7:21 pm

    Wow, you really make me miss my kids’ games… You are doing a great job as a dad Raisins…

    Salty likely spent the day watching Clemson. Looks like it’s going to be between them and GaTech for the ACC championship.


  28. 28 berigan2electricboogaloo November 14, 2009 at 9:45 pm

    I’m in sight! It’s Salty that has disappeared. Perhaps you need to create a new email account for him! 😛

    Once again Salt man, you are holding up progress! I can’t send the really special “gift” I have to some people, but not all! (Man, are you all going to go, this is it??? The big deal???? 😉 )

    Did I mention I already have a gmail account???? Use it for business reasons. That sounds important, but it’s just a simple way to check for errors sending lists I am working on, back to myself……
    I also have a yahoo email account…don’t use that much. Never really. I LOVE desktop email, but apparently, the people I know, don’t! 😳


  29. 29 berigan2electricboogaloo November 14, 2009 at 9:50 pm

    D’Oh, forgot to say to the V-Man(Everyone henceforth will have man, or woman attached to the end of their name! 😀 )
    excellent lead! I read it yesterday, then the comments, then went back to work….was out and about most of yesterday, and was behind…as I always am. Meant to comment , but needed to think on it, and I ummm, whatyacallit. Oh yeah, forgot.
    Will re-read and comment later! Hold your breath, real excitement ahead! 😕

    Gil, sorry about the gloominess!!! This to shall pass. We sure had it here til, Weds I think. Or was it Thursday??? Yep, I think they said it was going to clear up Weds, and it never did. Still was drizzling that night. We are so over the annual amount, it isn’t even funny! Even with the leaky water gauges at the Airport.


  30. 30 berigan2electricboogaloo November 14, 2009 at 9:53 pm

    G, man, I forgot to make Gil the Gil-Man! Man, I am sorry! 😦


  31. 31 flbravesgirl November 14, 2009 at 11:27 pm

    Actually, Gil, I’m in a major house-cleaning project now, so no fun here. We’ve got family coming in for a few days next week so the pre-holiday scrubbing got bumped forward a bit.


  32. 32 flbravesgirl November 14, 2009 at 11:49 pm

    Braves MLB site has a wonderful article about Mac’s charity softball game. I’m proud of him.


  33. 33 Gil in Mechanicsville November 15, 2009 at 12:24 am

    Evening all…. Ack.. trying to fall asleep. I guess the nap I had this afternoon during Oklahoma took the edge off.

    I hate to take a pill because then I turn into a zombie for about 24 hours…

    The rain finally stopped and there was a very pretty sunset. For a while there I thought we were being punished by Obama for voting in a Republican Governor here in Virginia but then I thought about how silly I was being. After all, his highness is traveling to the far east this week.

    I wouldn’t put it past Pelosi though…

    Alright, I think I shall surf a bit in hopes of becoming sleepy. Too bad I can’t pull the trick I use to do when I was a teenager and just go for a drive. Always worked for me… Of course fighting the fatigue on the return drive was a bit scary. Took a bit of practice to determine where the half way point was….


  34. 34 Gil in Mechanicsville November 16, 2009 at 1:16 am

    Greetings all, so much happened today. Looks like the TEA Party folks in Danville got cold feet and are having second thoughts about “toasting” Nancy… Shame… Maybe it would have lit a fire under her a** to straighten up.

    Denny came in third today. His three DNFs doomed him to fall short in the Chase… Well, if it’s any solace, it appears Mark Martin will again be a bridesmaid. And Mark is a pretty darn good race car driver.

    And the Redskins won today. Now there is a shocker for you. Still finding it hard to feel any fan loyalty to them any longer. Looks like I am between teams right now. Hey… It happens…

    I took advantage of the sun and warmth today and worked in the yard a bit. It is suppose to be nice again Monday too… Nothing like a three day nor’easter to make one appreciate nice weather. Like one guy said, with a hurricane, it’s over in about 5 hours, NorIda kept pounding and pounding for three days. There was even enough time for the Governor to get back from one of his junkets after declaring an emergency.

    Okay, something baseball related will happen today, I just know it…


  35. 35 Voice of Raisins November 16, 2009 at 9:17 am

    Gil, when you say “today”, is that today today, or today yesterday? Of course, if it’s today today, you were really saying tomorrow today, or yesterday, depending on how you meant it.

    Glad I cleared that up… 😀


  36. 36 Voice of Raisins November 16, 2009 at 9:17 am

    But today at 1:16 am is today today no matter when today you say today.

    Got it!


  37. 37 Carolina Lady November 16, 2009 at 10:19 am

    Raisins, would you repeat that, please??


  38. 38 Voice of Raisins November 16, 2009 at 11:26 am

    This is the dead zone. Here is a list of upcoming dates:

    Nov. 20 — Free agency opens.

    Dec. 1 — Last day for teams to offer salary arbitration to their former players who became free agents.

    Dec. 7 — Last day for free agents offered salary arbitration to accept the offers.

    Dec. 7-10 — Winter meetings, Indianapolis.

    Dec. 10 — Major League Rule 5 Draft.

    Dec. 12 — Last day for teams to offer 2010 contracts to unsigned players.

    It’ll probably be pretty dead through the 20th, and maybe even until the 1st. I’ll bet, though, that Frank doesn’t drag his feet in this off-season very long. His is pretty much a step by step course of actions, and he can’t wait too long to take the next one (the first being Huddy’s extension). Given his past actions, I’m sure he has already felt out the other teams and has a pretty good idea of what he has to do.


  39. 39 Voice of Raisins November 16, 2009 at 11:32 am

    Of course, he does still have to do it…


  40. 40 Voice of Raisins November 16, 2009 at 2:04 pm

    Somehow this slipped through the cracks. I can’t imagine how this earth shattering news got by us…



  41. 41 Gil in Mechanicsville November 16, 2009 at 2:46 pm

    I think it’s pretty laughable when someone states a player is pretty much over the hill potential wise when the reach 23 years of age. Any wonder that Furcal fibbed about his age when he signed with the Braves? Same with Tejada. Latin players seem pretty attuned to the idea of the correlation of age and ability by major league scouts.


  42. 42 Gil in Mechanicsville November 16, 2009 at 4:25 pm

    Tommy Hanson comes in 3rd in the ROY voting.


  43. 43 berigan2electricboogaloo November 16, 2009 at 5:25 pm

    Well, It’s understandable. I would have liked to see him win, but hard to say he was clearly better than J.A. Happ, or Chris Coghlan. I meant to post this yesterday, but I forgot to put this link up. Interesting to see who the espn guys voted for…


  44. 44 berigan2electricboogaloo November 16, 2009 at 5:30 pm

    And Gil, it sure is laughable to say a guy is old at 23. George Foster, at the age of 25. Best year up to that point was 13 HR, 58 RBi’s and that was in 500 AB’s!
    at the Age of 26…23 HR’s 78 RBi’s… then he had 3 straight seasons of 120 or more RBI’s.


  45. 45 Voice of Raisins November 16, 2009 at 6:48 pm


    Teams would have to surrender a draft pick in order to sign Billy Wagner, but interest in the left-hander remains strong.

    Bean Stringfellow, Wagner’s agent, said Monday that eight clubs have called to express interest in Wagner, a Type A free agent.

    “The best way to put it,” Stringfellow said, “is that the teams that called are aware that he’s a Type A free agent, and they’re calling anyway.”

    Boston, Atlanta, Washington, Houston and Baltimore are on the list, according to Stringfellow, along with three teams that preferred to remain anonymous.

    Of that group, Stringfellow said only the Red Sox — Wagner’s most recent team — would slot him in a role other than closing.

    The unnamed teams are probably among the contenders interested in upgrading their late-inning relief: the Tigers, Cubs, Mariners, Rangers, White Sox, Rays and Marlins.

    Stringfellow believes Wagner will receive multiyear offers once teams are able to begin discussing financial terms with free agents Friday. Stringfellow pointed out that Wagner demonstrated his health after elbow surgery by pitching effectively for the Red Sox late in the season.

    “This is a normal offseason for him,” Stringfellow said. “He’s not doing any rehab. He’ll begin throwing in earnest at the same time he always did. He feels wonderful now.”

    In my opinion, if they spend that kind of $$$ on a multi-year deal for Wagner, they’re making a mistake.

    No. 1, they commit major bucks to a 37 year old coming off of TJ surgery. We saw that with a much younger player in Gonzo last year.

    No. 2, they give up their 1st rounder in the 2010 amateur draft because Wags is a Type A FA.

    If they’re going to commit high $$$ over multi-years, bring back Gonzo. He’ll be cheaper and won’t cost the draft pick. He’ll be two years away from surgery, and he’s only 31 and in his prime.


  46. 46 berigan2electricboogaloo November 16, 2009 at 8:15 pm

    If they’re going to commit high $$$ over multi-years, bring back Gonzo. He’ll be cheaper and won’t cost the draft pick. He’ll be two years away from surgery, and he’s only 31 and in his prime.

    V, good point! Just wouldn’t make sense, would it???


  47. 47 Gil in Mechanicsville November 17, 2009 at 12:31 am

    While it is nice to have players who have earned a reputation of being a star, it is a mistake to rely on reputation alone. John Smoltz was a good example of that. I agree on signing Gonzo or even Soriano. Okay, the Braves can’t afford both but I sure think they could afford one of them. And they would not have to give up a draft pick.

    What’s the old saying? It’s a big mistake to prepare for the war you have already fought…

    When I get a chance, I will evaluate some of the pitching the Braves will likely have for the bullpen in 2010. We are talking about what? 6 players?

    Two guys are a lock, Moylan and Medlin. They just signed Scot Proctor, O’Flarerty looks to be solid. That’s four… Let’s see… a closer, and one or two more. Not a lot of spots open on this staff if you ask me.


  48. 48 Voice of Raisins November 17, 2009 at 9:31 am

    Baseball Prospectus’ Joe Sheehan on his choice for NL Manager of the Year:

    National League:
    1. Bobby Cox

    2. Tony La Russa
    3. Jim Tracy

    The Braves had an astonishingly weak collection of position players, yet they won 86 games and were probably one of the five best teams in baseball on the day the season ended. Cox played the hand he was dealt. Given the success of Jurrjens, Vazquez, the relievers, it’s worth asking if all of the credit we long gave Leo Mazzone shouldn’t be at least in part shared by Cox. [By the way, Leo himself has said as much.] Cox squeezed a lot of value from his position players, and while some people felt he overworked his top three relievers, he did get an awful lot of value from them.

    Would I vote him #1? Probably not, but I really haven’t given it any thought. However, Bobby certainly is closer to how Sheehan assesses him than how too many Atlanta fans assess him…


  49. 49 Gil in Mechanicsville November 17, 2009 at 9:59 am

    What’s the old adage from the Bible? “A prophet is seldom recognized in his own town”.

    I think people are just a bit too familiar with Bobby to appreciate his body of work. There are those who rail at his failures without taking time to realize his successes.

    Do we agree on all the decisions he makes? Heck no but we don’t always know what is going on behind the scenes either. The players who are nursing a sore arm or aching back or blisters and just having a bad hair day.

    I always thought Jim Leland was a great manager, was the failure of the Tiger’s his fault? Does it diminish his body of work?

    To the victor goes the spoils.

    Bobby will still end up in the Hall of Fame. Has he been perfect? Heck no but he sure has been better than a lot of so called fans have given him credit for.


  50. 50 Voice of Raisins November 17, 2009 at 10:27 am

    Gil, I believe too many people in this information age think that they have to micro-analyze everything about everybody.

    Good example here:

    I saw a discussion yesterday regarding 2 pitchers. The parties discussing began tossing out all of these new boutique statistics and numbers and ratings, etc.

    One guy actually says something to the effect of, “Yeah, I know he won more games, but…”

    Uh, isn’t that the goal? Win games?

    That’s why stat-heads bug me. IMO, fantasy sports has really altered the way too many people look at sports these days. There aren’t too many of us left that watch for the joy of the sport, for the beauty of the game, and to experience the joy of victory and the bitterness of defeat with our favorite teams. We develop a personal connection with players and managers alike. I truly believe that is lost on today’s younger fans. They are all about the numbers produced, not the producers themselves. Too many miss the whole picture because they are to busy analyzing one or two pixels. I pity them. They miss it.


  51. 51 Voice of Raisins November 17, 2009 at 12:55 pm

    Kyodo News:

    The Nippon Ham Fighters on Tuesday announced the acquisition of former Atlanta Braves pitcher Buddy Carlyle.

    See ya Buddy… best of luck!

    Don’t take any wooden yen! 😀


  52. 52 Gil in Mechanicsville November 17, 2009 at 3:16 pm

    With the dollar tanking, he might be better off taking the Yen, wooden or otherwise.

    Buddy has been to Japan before, he knows the spiel. Best of luck to him, he did everything the Braves ask of him.


  53. 53 Voice of Raisins November 17, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    Maybe given his newly diagnosed medical condition, he’s running away from Pelosi-care.


  54. 55 Gil in Mechanicsville November 17, 2009 at 6:14 pm

    Raisins, I think your comment sums it up perfectly…


  55. 56 berigan2electricboogaloo November 17, 2009 at 6:20 pm

    Ok…..can we afford Soriano???? Man, we really won’t have a chance without one of those two guys.


  56. 57 Gil in Mechanicsville November 18, 2009 at 7:47 am

    I would like to have the numbers (I know, but I am too lazy to look it up) the statistics of the number of blown saves by Soriano on one day’s rest vs no rest. I thought he was pretty effective as long as his arm wasn’t about to fall off.

    I mean, didn’t we all agree that Bobby tends to over use a pitcher to the point he will fail?

    Has anyone ever shown a comparison of Gonzo’s pitching delivery before and after TJ surgery? I don’t remember him being as herky jerky prior to his blowing his elbow out. Just wondering…

    I still say the Braves can afford any player they want, it’s whether or not they chose to pay them what they are asking is the question. Comes down to profit margin I think.

    Ted Turner made a pile of money by taking a small market team and making them a large market team with TBS. It was Major League Baseball which pared back the Braves market area.


  57. 58 Gil in Mechanicsville November 18, 2009 at 7:52 am

    Ber we have chance without them, just not as good a chance… 🙂

    Still, your point is well taken. We have seen some ugly results when the Braves pen has been leaky. Nothing more frustrating than being up 6 runs and losing because the pen has an ERA that rivals the national debt in numbers.


  58. 59 Voice of Raisins November 18, 2009 at 9:13 am

    LA Times:

    According to agent, Keith Grunewald, the Dodgers are one of a dozen teams that have asked about [Mark] DeRosa, identifying the others as the Cardinals, Mariners, Nationals, Giants, Phillies, Orioles, Rangers, Yankees, Mets, Twins and Braves.

    A 34-year-old utilityman, DeRosa played first, second and third base, as well as the two corner outfield positions, for the Cleveland Indians and St. Louis Cardinals last season. He hit .250 with 23 home runs and 78 runs batted in.


  59. 60 berigan2electricboogaloo November 18, 2009 at 9:31 am

    V, he’s certainly a thought…back up Chipper, a right handed bat in left. Can play first a bit…


  60. 61 berigan2electricboogaloo November 18, 2009 at 9:35 am

    Ok how about this idea from everyone’s fav baseball writer, Dayn Perry! 😛
    under top ten off season moves that need to happen….


    4. The Braves should trade for Adrian Gonzalez.

    Adrian Gonzalez would be an upgrade for the Braves at first base. (Jeff Gross / Getty Images)

    Atlanta will return one of the best rotations in the NL, but last season the offense let the Braves down. At first base, Adam LaRoche played exceptionally well but over his head, and he might land elsewhere this winter. Gonzalez constitutes a nifty upgrade. The Padres may be looking to “sell high” after Gonzalez’s career year in 2009, and they’re perpetually in cost-cutting mode. Atlanta won’t part with Jason Heyward, but a package built around Freddie Freeman and/or Jordan Schafer should get it done. In return, the Braves would get a devastating left-handed bat who’s cheap and under club control through 2011.

    Hmmm, I know we would like more right handed bats, but he did awfully well, considering he was pitched around most of the year.
    I also think it would take more than Freeman and Schafer, some arm as well….perfect #4 guy, young…IF something like this came up, should Wren consider it????


  61. 62 Voice of Raisins November 18, 2009 at 9:44 am

    Tex part 2… no thanks.

    It’d take Freeman AND Schafer and probably a Brett DeVall or the like.

    I have no interest in gutting the system of everything leftover from the Tex trade. Yes, AG is under “team control” through 2011. That just means he bolts in 2 years and we have no one left in the system to come in.

    It might make a huge difference for 2 years, but it would severely handicap the next 8 years.


  62. 63 Voice of Raisins November 18, 2009 at 12:24 pm

    Well… now that Gonzo has retained Boras as his agent, I think there is little chance of him resigning here. He wouldn’t have hired Boras if he didn’t intend to get the max contract available. He won’t find that in Atlanta.

    It’s OK, though. we’ll take the 2 picks and move on.

    That said, I get the feeling that our 2010 closer may be a name we aren’t expecting. Just a feeling. The closer will come via trade and we’ll all say, “We didn’t see that one coming.”

    Oh, and for the record, even though the Braves are kicking the tires on DeRo, I don’t think he’ll end up here. His best asset is his versatility. We have versatility already. We need an everyday LF and en everyday 1B.


  63. 64 Gil in Mechanicsville November 18, 2009 at 4:39 pm

    I have to agree, the Braves don’t really need any additional role players. I think they have a few too many of them already. For sure they don’t need a high priced utility player which is what DeRo would be. Every team needs a player like him but the Braves already have Infante and Diaz and Prado and …. (fill in the blank).

    As for LaRoche, well… Gonzalas would be an upgrade but who else? It’s easy to say that a team would be better with player A vs player B but what is the reality, Kelly Johnson at first because he’s cheap?

    Great when you can afford a Rolls Royce but maybe a Buick is an acceptable trade off, A Yugo… not so much…


  64. 65 Voice of Raisins November 19, 2009 at 8:40 am

    Last day of teams’ exclusive negotiating rights. The ol’ hot stove REALLY cranks up at midnight…


  65. 66 Gil in Mechanicsville November 19, 2009 at 9:10 am

    I think a lot of teams are waiting for someone else to start the bidding. Just to gauge market value. I am pretty sure GMs have talked with agents to get an idea of the asking price. Now it’s finding out who wants who and how much.

    Pretty sure Gonzo and Soriano will have big paydays. Not sure of Rochie’s market value. Depends on who is buying I suppose.


  66. 67 Voice of Raisins November 19, 2009 at 9:24 am

    Tough to put a finger on Rochey… (Boy, that really sounds creepy!)

    Hard to believe he’ll pass up his first real opportunity at a multi-year contract. I’m positive the Braves will not offer anything more than 2 years, and maybe not even guarantee the 2nd. At the same time, his well documented career 1st half struggles will prevent him from really cashing in. There could be some thought to staying where he’s comfortable – and he is comfortable here with Chipper and Bobby – for another year and doing everything possible to carry over his strong ’09 2nd half performance into the 1st half of 2010. His market value would soar if he could have just 1 strong 1st half. That would be win/win for both team and Adam. However, it does predicate itself on him performing. Another typical 1st half/2nd half split could have the opposite effect.


  67. 68 Carolina Lady November 19, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    On the free-agent market, all the focus has been on John Lackey. On the trade market, the talk has been about Roy Halladay. The consolation prize for teams seeking a top-flight arm may come out of Atlanta.

    The Braves have two of their top starters on the block, Derek Lowe and Javier Vazquez, and there’s little doubt that at least one of those two pitchers will be moved, according to multiple major league sources. With strong resumes for both, there should be teams lined up for their services.

    One source said that the Braves intend to move one of the two pitchers, and who goes will depend on the offers they receive.

    Trading for Halladay could take a king’s ransom, and Lackey will demand a huge financial commitment. With that in mind, and one of these pitchers clearly on the block, how might the market be impacted, what do each of these Braves hurlers bring to the table and what might it take to get them?

    Lowe is more likely depart and would certainly come cheaper than Vazquez, but the Braves won’t get nearly the same return for the former as they would the latter. Atlanta could use the contract relief that would come with dealing Lowe, who has three years and around $45 million left on his contract.

    Count the Yankees and Mets as possible destinations for Lowe. Would the Yankees go down the Vazquez road again? It seems unlikely, and given his National League success, he might be best served to stay there. Either way, Vazquez’ desirability is the reason Atlanta is more likely to try and hold onto him. After all, he’s cheaper, younger, and had a fantastic 2009.

    Rest of the article:


  68. 69 Gil in Mechanicsville November 19, 2009 at 12:47 pm

    Yes, I think it is more than just what you will get in return for Lowe, it would give them some wiggle room as far a payroll. Javy would be more on the order of who would come over in a trade.


  69. 70 Voice of Raisins November 19, 2009 at 4:11 pm


    Yankees pitching plan is unclear — 2:14 p.m.

    There are a number of ways for the World Series champion Yankees to address their starting pitching.

    One would be to sign a free agent such as right-hander John Lackey or trade for an ace such as Blue Jays righty Roy Halladay.

    Another would be to strengthen the bullpen, allowing right-handers Phil Hughes and Joba Chamberlain to return to the rotation.

    The Yankees’ direction, at this early stage of the offseason, is not clear.

    The team, according to one rival executive, plans to pursue free-agent relievers Rafael Soriano, a right-hander, and Mike Gonzalez, a lefty. The Yankees have liked both pitchers in the past.

    However, another source with knowledge of the Yankees’ thinking says the team prefers to address any bullpen holes from within, using the same strategy that they employed successfully last season.

    Yankees officials spent this week in organizational meetings.


  70. 71 Voice of Raisins November 19, 2009 at 4:14 pm

    Jayson Stark:

    Teams that have talked to the Braves say they don’t want to deal for just another bat. They want a cleanup-hitter kind of bat. So Javy Vazquez, Derek Lowe and Kenshin Kawakami are all out there as big-time Rumor Central fodder. But when teams zero in on Vazquez, they find the Braves are trying to steer the conversations toward Lowe, who has three years and $45 million left on the contract he signed last winter. If the Braves can move Lowe, they’re expected to try to work out an extension with Vazquez, who is a year away from free agency. But can Lowe — who allowed 299 baserunners in 194 2/3 innings — get them the kind of bat they need? And is there even going to be a true cleanup hitter available, aside from Adrian Gonzalez? Probable answers: No … and no.

    Ahem… he must read the B&S. We’ve been saying that for days…


  71. 72 Voice of Raisins November 19, 2009 at 4:16 pm

    More Stark… funny:

    From David Letterman: “Here is how we’re going to run tonight’s show. I’m going to be hosting for eight commercials, and then we bring in Mariano Rivera.”


  72. 73 Voice of Raisins November 19, 2009 at 4:29 pm

    USA Today’s Bob Nightengale:

    The Yankees, ever so quietly, are letting teams know that RF Nick Swisher is available.

    He’s interesting… and has interested Frank before.

    ’09 numbers-
    .249/.371/.498, 29 HR’s, 89 RBI (with a career-high .869 OPS)

    He’s just 28, and owed just $15.75MM over the next two seasons, with a $10.25 club option for 2012. He’s a switch hitter that plays both corner OF spots as well as 1B.

    Oh… and he has a pretty hot girlfriend. 😀

    Seriously, though, he may come as close as anybody available to filling the RH power role.


  73. 74 Gil in Mechanicsville November 19, 2009 at 5:29 pm

    Well, Swisher is a bopper… I hope folks are willing to put up the strike outs…


  74. 75 Voice of Raisins November 20, 2009 at 7:05 am

    Funny, Gil…

    I think that the new definition of bopper, post peeing in a cup, is a guy who hits 30 HR’s and strikes out alot.

    Unless you’re Albert Pujols.

    How bizarre after all of those years of 50+ HR’s…


  75. 76 Gil in Mechanicsville November 20, 2009 at 7:36 am

    And to think, they had us believing it was the baseballs….


  76. 77 Voice of Raisins November 20, 2009 at 8:45 am

    Well, I guess the “balls” were wound kind of tight…

    (Did I just say that?!?) 😳


  77. 78 Gil in Mechanicsville November 20, 2009 at 8:46 am

    I am certain the Braves would much prefer to deal with an American League club just so they would not have to face the guy they trade.

    That said, I think Lowe has greater value in the Al than Javy. Everyone writes about how expensive Lowe is but don’t bat an eye at the massive contract of some others who I think are not as good as Lowe.

    IMO Lowe had some type of injury that caused him to alter his delivery. I think it went beyond the blisters. It does not take all that much to psyche out a pitcher so he loses his confidence.

    A major league pitcher has got to possess a warrior’s mentality that they are unhittable. Show no fear….


  78. 79 Gil in Mechanicsville November 20, 2009 at 8:47 am

    What’s the term? Mound presence?


  79. 80 Voice of Raisins November 20, 2009 at 8:50 am


    Braves not interested in Hart

    The Braves see the Brewers as a potential suitor for Derek Lowe. But contrary to a report on FOXSports.com, they have never been interested in trading the veteran sinkerballer in exchange for Brewers outfielder Corey Hart.

    The report indicated that the Brewers seem reluctant to deal for Lowe because he is owed $45 million over the next three years. While that is certainly understandable, the Braves have also provided indication that they are not interested in Hart.

    In other words, if the Braves end up having to trade Javier Vazquez to the Brewers, there’s little reason to believe that Hart would be part of the return package.

    Indications are that the Braves don’t like Hart’s undisciplined offensive approach. The Brewers outfielder, who could draw a $5 million salary via arbitration this winter, hit .260 with 12 homers and a .753 OPS this past season.

    As the Braves continue to explore their options with Lowe, they still think there’s a chance that the Angels may be willing to add the veteran sinkerballer to their young rotation.


  80. 81 Voice of Raisins November 20, 2009 at 8:52 am


    The Angels, who showed interest in Lowe about a month ago, according to sources, could use him to replace Lackey in their rotation. The Braves, seeking a right-handed hitter, like Angels outfielder Juan Rivera.

    Angels owner Arte Moreno, however, told FOXSports.com’s Jon Paul Morosi on Thursday that he has roughly $12 million to spend on improving the club — and he is still trying to sign Lackey, third baseman Chone Figgins and possibly designated hitter Vladimir Guerrero.

    The White Sox are another potential match for Lowe — first baseman Paul Konerko, another right-handed hitter who would fit the Braves, will earn $12 million next season. Konerko, however, has only one more year remaining on his contract, while Lowe has three years at greater dollars.

    Lowe for Konerko would work for me! 😀


  81. 82 Gil in Mechanicsville November 20, 2009 at 9:12 am

    So, offer John Smoltz a million dollars to come back to Atlanta so he can join Bobby’s farewell tour. Toss in a few incentives and put him in the pen and hope his arm holds up well enough to close out a few games.


  82. 83 Gil in Mechanicsville November 20, 2009 at 9:15 am

    Yep.. that proves it, all the GMs read the Braves and Stuff blog….


  83. 84 Voice of Raisins November 20, 2009 at 12:02 pm

    Interesting notes from MLBTR:

    Keith Law’s Top 50 Free Agents list is up at ESPN, and as always it’s a must-read (Insider required and recommended). A few lines from his capsules that caught my eye…

    * Randy Wolf is viewed as “much more of a No. 4 starter than a No. 2.”
    * 19-year-old Cuban lefty Noel Arguelles ranks tenth overall, with Law suggesting he’ll top an $8MM contract.
    * Law considers Mike Gonzalez the best available reliever, ranking him a few spots ahead of Rafael Soriano. He says Soriano “should be looking for K-Rod money, given his skill set and track record.” Law is also a fan of hard-throwing Japanese reliever Ryota Igarashi. He’s not terribly high on Jose Valverde, ranking him 36th.
    * Law does not see Marlon Byrd as a starter on a contending club.


  84. 85 Voice of Raisins November 20, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    I read this across the way:

    Mike Cameron just said on MLB on xm that he has been trying to go to Atlanta for a while and that it would be real cool to be there.

    OK. 😀


  85. 87 berigan2electricboogaloo November 20, 2009 at 2:28 pm

    I just think the Braves are crazy if they think they can rid of all of Lowe’s contract, and get someone really good in return. Can’t see the White Sox give up yet another bat either. No Thome, Dye, or Konerko??? Who’s left for them to hit???


  86. 88 berigan2electricboogaloo November 20, 2009 at 4:09 pm

    And I don’t get why Keith Law says he does not see Marlon Byrd as a starter on a contending club…why not??? He would do great in left, or Center for us. Better numbers and younger than Cameron.


  87. 89 Voice of Raisins November 20, 2009 at 5:03 pm

    Mainly, Ber, because he’s only done it once – last season – at the not so tender age of 32. Plus his home/away splits were pretty pronounced. Even at that, he’s still only a 20 HR/80 RBI kinda guy. Not a cleanup hitter.


  88. 90 Gil in Mechanicsville November 20, 2009 at 5:37 pm

    Well, we agree then Ber, Lowe trade = salary dump
    Vasquez trade will be for a hitter….


  89. 91 berigan2electricboogaloo November 20, 2009 at 6:54 pm

    Gil, are you saying we’d trade both???? Or just what we would get for each, if traded???

    V, but why would we want Cameron then??? We already have a center fielder. Would we put him in left??? Cameron is not a Clean up hitter either. I just think Byrd is a younger version of Cameron. He also let a weak Rangers offense in RBI’s. Byrd doesn’t walk much… http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?playerId=5033

    Just looked up Byrd’s stats…didn’t know he batted 4th more than any other place in the order! Did pretty well, surprisingly enough.

    Weird, I just looked at Bryd’s splits last year. Not home away, but lefty vs. Righty. He hit .244 last year against lefties, .300 against righties…and he bats…right handed! 😯


  90. 92 berigan2electricboogaloo November 20, 2009 at 6:58 pm

    Umm…I was watching tv, and kept looking stuff up on different sites. Also, I was getting too fuzzy brained to work…yep…still, somewhere in that mess are some interesting points! 😕


  91. 93 Voice of Raisins November 20, 2009 at 7:25 pm

    Yes, Ber… Byrd, Cameron…not alot of difference. I’d rather have Rivera! 😀


  92. 94 Voice of Raisins November 20, 2009 at 8:52 pm

    Braves add five pitchers to 40-man roster

    The Braves 40-man roster additions are LHPs Lee Hyde, Jose Ortegano and Jonny Venters and RHPs Jeff Lyman and Kyle Coffield.



  93. 95 Gil in Mechanicsville November 20, 2009 at 11:06 pm

    Cameron would only be in a Braves uniform if he were willing to work for rookie level money and was a 4th outfielder. Great guy but the Braves already have a couple of guys who fit in that role.

    Ber, just my estimation of their trade value… Of course, I’ve been wrong before. Not often but it has happened…


  94. 96 berigan2electricboogaloo November 21, 2009 at 9:59 am

    V, haven’t heard of any of those guys! I need to bone up on the prospects….


  95. 97 berigan2electricboogaloo November 21, 2009 at 7:07 pm



  96. 98 Gil in Mechanicsville November 21, 2009 at 7:37 pm

    Busy day for me, Josie and I went over to my mom’s place to get up the leaves. I think I will be quiet about the pine tags I have here after working for 6 hours getting up the leaves dumped by the oaks at Mom’s place.

    I miss the days when we were able to burn those bad boys…

    I did get to watch most of the Nationwide race tonight. Missed Denny spinning out Brad Kraplousy but they showed enough replays.

    Things are pretty quiet on the baseball front as far as signing and trades. I suspect there will not be a lot of action until after Turkey Day…


  97. 99 Savannah Guy November 21, 2009 at 7:42 pm

    Hello everbudy. Hot stove is burnin’ hot ’round here. Trades are a cookin’. Here’s a little baseball thing I just picked up:


    The first testicular guard (Cup) was used in baseball in 1874 and the first helmet was used in 1934.

    It took 60 years for men to realize that the brain is also important.


  98. 100 Savannah Guy November 21, 2009 at 7:45 pm

    Gil, I’m good with yer 9:12. And yer 9:15. 😀


  99. 101 Savannah Guy November 21, 2009 at 7:51 pm

    Boppage… yes.

    Make that a full season, nasty, snarling, scary, brute boppmeister threat that puts dents in outfield seats.


  100. 102 berigan2electricboogaloo November 21, 2009 at 8:07 pm

    SG! :p I’m surprised they figured it out in that short a period of time! 😉


  101. 103 flbravesgirl November 21, 2009 at 8:54 pm

    😆 SG! Missed you, buddy!

    My houseful of company headed home today so I’m doing mucho laundry & decompressing a bit.


  102. 104 Carolina Lady November 21, 2009 at 11:06 pm

    SG, it is a DELIGHT to see you here again!!! Welcome back!!

    “It took 60 years for men to realize that the brain is also important.” – SG

    SG, do you realize how much fun FBG and I could have with that statement??? 😆

    I will be very, very nice and keep my mouth shut.


  103. 105 Gil in Mechanicsville November 22, 2009 at 2:47 am

    CL… It took baseball players that long to figure out where their brains were located ….


  104. 106 Gil in Mechanicsville November 22, 2009 at 2:48 am

    Some still don’t know….


  105. 107 Savannah Guy November 22, 2009 at 8:05 am

    Thanks, ladies. CL, I had an idea that you and FBG might like that’n. Wise men realize that if it were not for women, they would still live in caves.

    Then again, to be fair to men and remembering a few occasions way back in the days of dating… remaining single and living in a cave would have been the much preferred option. 😀


  106. 108 Carolina Lady November 22, 2009 at 11:12 am

    Some versions of that cave still exist, SG. It is usually called a ‘den’, a ‘garage’, a ‘sports bar’, etc. A fragment but it seems to fulfill its purpose. 🙂

    That’s ok, guys. We love ya just the way ya are!


  107. 109 Carolina Lady November 22, 2009 at 12:53 pm

    from email and you can bet that I WILL be participating!

    What a clever idea!
    Yes, Christmas cards. This is coming early so that you can get ready to include an important address to your list. Want to have some fun this CHRISTMAS? Send the ACLU a CHRISTMAS CARD this year.
    As they are working so very hard to get rid of the CHRISTMAS part of this holiday, we should all send them a nice, CHRISTIAN card to brighten up their dark, sad, little world..
    Make sure it says “Merry Christmas” on it!

    Here’s the address, just don’t be rude or crude. (It’s not the Christian way, you know.)
    mail to:
    125 Broad Street
    18th Floor
    New York , NY 10004

    Two tons of Christmas cards would freeze their operations because they wouldn’t know if any were regular mail containing contributions or not…they must open them all ! So PLEASE spend 44 cents and tell the ACLU to leave Christmas alone. Also tell them that there is no such thing as a ” holiday tree”. . . It’s always been called a CHRISTMAS TREE !


  108. 110 Gil in Mechanicsville November 22, 2009 at 3:00 pm

    Uh…Can I add a lump of coal? You know, it would have the potential to become a diamond… Hey, worked for Obama…


  109. 111 berigan2electricboogaloo November 22, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    CL, Love that idea! How ironic, it brings out he 👿 in me! 😀


  110. 112 berigan2electricboogaloo November 22, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    As I finished up my lame work for a 2 week period(now I can rest, and just list some stuff on ebay and amazon) I was thinking….gee, it’s a shame I haven’t gotten into politics. That senator from Louisiana got a $300,000,000 bribe to vote for heathcare “reform” Thank goodness politicians can still take bribes, with no fear of retribution , or jail time.



  111. 113 berigan2electricboogaloo November 22, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    And man what a raw, windy day! Around 50, rain…yuck! Everyone else is 75 and sunny, right??? 😉


  112. 114 Gil in Mechanicsville November 22, 2009 at 9:26 pm

    Hey Ber… To err is human, to forgive is divine but to really be in a position to get rich on the backs of others, you must be a politician. Not sure if the senator from the Great State of Louisiana will get a finder’s fee but I would keep a lock on my freezer if I were her.

    It did not hit 75 but it was a nice day here. Hit around 60 I think. I spent most of the day watching the final NASCAR race of the season. My boy Denny won and Josie’s driver won the Championship.

    I did watch a bit of the Deadskins’ game. Man, those guys are just hopeless….

    Anyhoo, here we are at the end of November already. Pitchers and catchers will be reporting before you know it.


  113. 115 Voice of Raisins November 23, 2009 at 9:57 am

    Boppage Watch 2009 continues…


  114. 116 Voice of Raisins November 23, 2009 at 10:11 am

    Tim Dierkes of MLBTR discusses potential Braves targets:



  115. 117 Carolina Lady November 23, 2009 at 12:56 pm

    Those familiar with scripture know that we are told that we must pray for those in authority over us.

    I’ve been particularly bothered by this in regard to our present President.

    God knows that I would be very hard-pressed to pray sincerely – until I found this verse in Psalm 109 (KJV):

    “8 – Let his days be few; and let another take his office.”


  116. 118 Voice of Raisins November 23, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    St. Petersberg TImes:

    According to an industry source, the Rangers and White Sox have shown interest in CF B.J. Upton, and the Mets and Braves have inquired about All-Star LF Carl Crawford. The Rays have said they’re interested in discussing a long-term deal with Crawford, who is eligible to be a free agent after the 2010 season.



  117. 119 Voice of Raisins November 23, 2009 at 1:19 pm

    Uh… st. Petersburg, Times…


  118. 120 Voice of Raisins November 23, 2009 at 1:20 pm

    Dang!!! 😡

    St. Petersburg Times.



  119. 121 Voice of Raisins November 23, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    Gary Sheffield would love to go back to Atlanta, where he had two excellent seasons, including .330 with 39 homers and 132 RBIs in 2003, or his hometown of Tampa Bay, where the Rays fumbled in signing Pat Burrell for the DH role. — Boston Globe


  120. 122 Voice of Raisins November 23, 2009 at 2:19 pm

    Mark Bowman, responding to a question about Jordan Schafer:

    Let me start by saying that I like Schafer and believe that he has an extremely bright future. I know that you can be easily fooled by a player’s performance during Spring Training, but I don’t think this applies to the young outfielder.

    Instead, based on what I saw from Schafer during the Grapefruit League season, I’m even more confident that his left wrist played a large role in the mighty struggles he encountered in Atlanta.

    Still, it wouldn’t surprise me if Atlanta was to deal him. This belief might have been further strengthened this past weekend when an American League scout asked, “What’s going on with Schafer?” This scout had just returned from the Dominican Republic where he’d heard other scouts talking about the possibility that the Braves might trade the 22-year-old outfielder.

    Two years ago, it was easy to classify Schafer as being arrogant. But having had the opportunity to spend more time with him this year, I’d say it’s more appropriate to call him a highly-confident young kid who is still going through the process of learning how to handle himself in the clubhouse and in the spotlight.

    Because he’s combined for approximately 400 at-bats the past two seasons, Schafer needs to spend some time in the Minors during the 2010 season. But I would think once he finds his timing and reacquaints himself to the game’s daily requirements, he’ll once again display the same great promise that surrounded him two years ago.

    I think that would be a mistake, unless it’s as part of a package that brings a young/b> bopper back to the team.


  121. 123 Voice of Raisins November 23, 2009 at 2:20 pm

    Lemme try that again…

    I think that would be a mistake, unless it’s as part of a package that brings a young bopper back to the team.


  122. 124 Gil in Mechanicsville November 23, 2009 at 2:28 pm

    Uh, what king’s ransom would it take to pry Crawford away from the Rays? Best of all those mentioned above.


  123. 125 Gil in Mechanicsville November 23, 2009 at 2:29 pm

    Serious boppage too….


  124. 127 Voice of Raisins November 23, 2009 at 5:26 pm


    Free-agent right fielder Jermaine Dye has made only one career appearance at first base, in 2005. Yet teams are asking his agent, Robert Bry, if he is willing to play first, and Dye is open to the idea.

    Dye, 35, could be a right-handed hitting alternative at first for several clubs, including the Braves, Mets, Giants and Orioles.

    His willingness to play first alone should only increase his marketability. If Dye is not going to be a DH, he might be better at first than in right at this stage of his career.

    “It wouldn’t surprise me at all if he had some success over there,” one executive says.

    The negative on Dye is that he slumped after the All-Star break last season, batting .179 with a .293 on-base percentage and .297 slugging percentage.

    Hmmm.. interesting…


  125. 128 berigan2electricboogaloo November 23, 2009 at 5:31 pm

    V, I just had to laugh at this dope’s comments on that MLBtraderumor article…must write regularly at the AJC!

    Just sign Dye and Cameron.
    Dye – 2M – Cameron – 4M

    I’m all for that, if we can get them both for 6 Mil! 🙄


  126. 129 Voice of Raisins November 24, 2009 at 8:00 am

    More like Dye=$8MM, Cameron=$6MM…


  127. 130 Voice of Raisins November 24, 2009 at 8:02 am


    Several teams calling Rangers for Cruz

    A number of teams have called the Rangers to express interest in Nelson Cruz, but one major league source said the club is “not motivated” to move the slugging outfielder because of his productivity and reasonable salary.

    “He’s been popular,” the source said of the Rangers’ discussions with other clubs.

    Cruz could intrigue clubs such as the Braves, Cardinals and Giants if their other efforts to add an outfield bat fall short. (It’s not known if any of them have inquired about his availability.)

    Cruz, who is not yet eligible for salary arbitration, earned $418,070 this year, including a $10,000 bonus for his first All-Star selection. He batted .260-.332-.524 with 33 home runs and 76 RBIs.

    With the franchise up for sale, the Rangers have little financial flexibility. That would make it difficult to trade a good player whose salary is close to the league minimum — unless Texas receives high-impact talent in return.

    The Rangers don’t have to remake their lineup. But they haven’t ruled out changes, either. The team has shown interest in Rays center fielder B.J. Upton.

    Still, Rangers general manager Jon Daniels may decide that he’s content with where his outfield stands now. Cruz, David Murphy, Josh Hamilton and potential leadoff hitter Julio Borbon could rotate among the three outfield spots and designated hitter.


  128. 131 Voice of Raisins November 24, 2009 at 8:10 am

    #1 – I don’t believe the Rangers will trade Cruz.

    #2 – He is a late bloomer that has had little more than 1 really good year. He isn’t worth the prospects he would cost.

    #3 – I believe that Schafer will actually turn out to be what they expected. Sign an older OF (Dye, Cameron) for 1 year, and next year the OF is N8/Schafer/JHey. Not too shabby.

    #4 – The offense actually came around toward the end of last season. While there is no doubt that we need 1 more power bat, the biggest need is in the bullpen. Frank really needs to concentrate on shoring up the back end of the pen. He can fill out the lineup much easier than he can acquire late inning assurance.


  129. 132 Voice of Raisins November 24, 2009 at 10:18 am

    By the way… this morning I tossed on my comfortable ol’ gray Braves t-shirt. Dunno why. Just felt like it.


  130. 133 Voice of Raisins November 24, 2009 at 10:25 am

    Great Frank Wren quote, courtesy of Mr. O’Brien:

    “I’ve got a list of about 50 players we’re interested in, for three or four spots,” he said, referring to openings in the outfield and potentially at first base and the bullpen. “So we’re going to miss on about 46. It happens every year, but last year people put a notch on the door frame of everyone we missed.”



  131. 134 Gil in Mechanicsville November 24, 2009 at 12:58 pm

    Good one…. A notch on the door frame for everyone we missed… 🙂


  132. 135 Voice of Raisins November 24, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    According to Mr. O’Brien, the Braves just signed RHP Juan Abreu to major-league contract. He was a six-year minor league free agent from the Royals system. He’s 24, and went 5-4 with 16 saves and 3.67 ERA in 36 appearances in A and AA in ’09. Oh, and he had 309 strikeouts in 267 1/3 innings.

    See, I KNEW they’d do something today. That’s why I have on my Braves t-shirt. 😀

    Seriously, the guy is a career minor leaguer, but was getting looks from several ML teams. Sounds like a relatively safe signing.


  133. 137 Voice of Raisins November 24, 2009 at 2:36 pm

    Baseball America ranked Abreu as the Royals’ #25 prospect. Their take: “Abreu has shown a great arm, iffy command and rotten luck during his time with the Royals.” The luck note refers to Abreu twisting his ankle in August of last year by stepping on a baseball and missing the rest of that season.

    😆 😆 😆


  134. 138 Carolina Lady November 24, 2009 at 8:10 pm

    Stepping on – ? The boy either needs glasses or a rabbit’s foot!


  135. 139 Gil in Mechanicsville November 24, 2009 at 11:21 pm

    Shades of Wally Pip….


  136. 140 flbravesgirl November 24, 2009 at 11:27 pm

    Evening y’all. (As I drag my flour-spattered self to the ‘puter) OK, not quite that bad but 3 decorated cakes & a loaf of Peanut Butter Streusel Bread are ready to be delivered tomorrow. Now I get to start on my own family’s Thanksgiving cooking. Everybody got the turkey thawing?


  137. 141 berigan2electricboogaloo November 25, 2009 at 4:58 am

    A turkey, whatever for???


  138. 142 berigan2electricboogaloo November 25, 2009 at 4:58 am



  139. 143 berigan2electricboogaloo November 25, 2009 at 4:59 am



  140. 144 berigan2electricboogaloo November 25, 2009 at 5:00 am

    OHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯


  141. 145 berigan2electricboogaloo November 25, 2009 at 8:19 am

    From what V said yesterday… I think you are right about the Rangers wanting to keep Cruz.
    I sure hope you are right about Schafer. I know he was hurt, and nothing like a sore wrist…I just didn’t see the next Grady Sizemore. Sure would like to be wrong about that.
    Man, I wish just once Roachy would get off to a good start…but, he never does. Actually , I think he got off ok last April, then tanked. Perhaps put Dye there in the first half, then trade him for LaRoche come the all star break! 😛
    We know Gonzo is gone, what with signing with Satan. Soriano is likely gone. Then we have to sign Wagner, right?? Unless San Diego wants to trade their closer, and they would be stupid to, without getting a lot back.
    Sure should save some money if Gonzo, Soriano, Church are gone. Heck, KJ made 2.8 mil last year. Get a team to take Lowe if we pay half of the 15 Mil, more moola saved.
    Should have flexibility if nothing else…


  142. 146 Voice of Raisins November 25, 2009 at 9:30 am

    Peanut Butter Streusel Bread

    Oh, man… that sounds incredible… 😯


  143. 147 Voice of Raisins November 25, 2009 at 9:46 am

    Ber, I’ll tell you what my gut says this morning, 11/25/2009.

    I think KJ will certainly be gone – non-tendered if not traded for spare parts. I think Church will actually be retained; he is a pretty decent bench piece, and I think Bobby likes him. We know how that goes…

    Gonzo and Sori are goners for sure. Wagner likes ATL, and ATL likes Wagner. It’s almost a 2 for 1 deal. Wagner will be our closer next year. I feel it. That’ll probably be one of the first things done after the arb deadline.

    That will take care of the back end of the pen, which I for one believe is the biggest priority this offseason – moreso than LF or 1B. Wagner closing, Moylan and O’Fla in the 7th and 8th; Medlen, Logan and Parr(?) as long guys.

    My gut today actually believes Schafer will be… wait for it… traded. Yep, I can see him traded. I think Frank will look to bring in the needed power bat, but for more than just 1 year. I think he wants a younger guy, and a guy the team can control for a few years. Schafer will most certainly have to go in any deal that will bring that guy back.

    As for Rochey, he’s gone too. He’ll get a 3 year deal in SF. Remember I said it. That’s where he’ll go. What will ATL do at 1B. I can’t get a true feel for that one. It may go all the way into spring training to get answered.

    Like I said, though, the closer thing will get done early through FA, and then Frank will go full bore into making a trade for a power bat for LF.

    Remember… this is Bobby’s swan song. Maybe Chipper’s, too. They’re looking to win now, with one eye toward the future. But now is the priority.

    So says my gut this day. I wonder what it will say tomorrow? (Besides, “Why did you cram all of that food into me?!?”)



  144. 148 Voice of Raisins November 25, 2009 at 9:51 am

    Bowman says the Braves have talked to free agent closer Billy Wagner’s representatives and “won’t necessarily be scared” by Wagner’s Type A status since Soriano and Gonzalez are also both Type A’s. If those two were to sign elsewhere, the compensation that Atlanta would receive would more than make up for the picks they would lose for signing Wagner.


  145. 149 berigan2electricboogaloo November 25, 2009 at 11:26 am

    V, is BOLD today! You may very well be right, too! LaRoche to San Fran, makes sense.
    I am confused with Wagner….didn’t he say he didn’t want a team to offer arbitration if he was traded last year??? I thought the sox agreed to that, yet I keep hearing about him being a type A guy….


  146. 150 Carolina Lady November 25, 2009 at 11:50 am

    Good stuff, V!

    Here’s some stuff you guys may enjoy: Tools Explained

    Drill Press: A tall upright machine useful for suddenly snatching flat metal bar stock out of your hands so that it smacks you in the chest and flings your beer across the room, denting the freshly-painted project which you had carefully set in the corner where nothing could get to it.

    Wire Wheel: Cleans paint off bolts and then throws them somewhere under the workbench with the speed of light. Also removes fingerprints and hard-earned calluses from fingers in about the time it takes you to say, “Oh, s—!”

    Skill Saw: A portable cutting tool used to make studs too short.

    Pliers: Used to round off bolt heads. Sometimes used in the creation of bloodblisters.

    Belt Sander: An electric sanding tool commonly used to convert minor touch-up jobs into major refinishing jobs.

    Hacksaw: One of a family of cutting tools built on the Ouija board principle. It transforms human energy into a crooked, unpredictable motion, and the more you attempt to influence its course, the more dismal your future becomes.

    Vise Grips: Generally used after pliers to completely round off bolt heads. If nothing else is available, they can also be used to transfer intense welding heat to the palm of your hand.

    Oxyacetylene Torch: Used almost entirely for lighting various flammable objects in your shop on fire. Also handy for igniting the grease inside the wheel hub out of which you want to remove a bearing race.

    Table Saw: A large stationary power tool commonly used to launch wood projectiles for testing wall integrity.

    Hydraulic Floor Jack: Used for lowering an automobile to the ground after you have installed new brake shoes and trapping the jack handle firmly under the bumper.

    Band Saw: A large stationary power saw primarily used by most shops to cut good aluminum sheet into smaller pieces that more easily fit into the trash can after you cut on the inside of the line instead of the outside edge.

    Two-ton Engine Hoist: A tool for testing the maximum tensile strength of everything you forgot to disconnect.

    Phillips Screwdriver: Normally used to stab the vacuum seals under lids or for opening old-style paper-and-tin oil cans and splashing oil on your shirt; but can also be used, as the name implies, to strip out Phillips screw heads.

    Straight Screwdriver: A tool for opening paint cans. Sometimes used to convert common slotted screws into non-removable screws and butchering your palms.

    Pry Bar: A tool used to crumple the metal surrounding that clip or bracket you needed to remove in order to replace a 50-cent part.

    Hose Cutter: A tool used to make hoses too short.

    Hammer: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

    Utility Knife: Used to open and slice through the contents of cardboard cartons delivered to your front door; works particularly well on contents such as seats, vinyl records, liquids in plastic bottles, collector magazines, refund checks, and rubber or plastic parts. Especially useful for slicing work clothes, but only while in use.

    SOB Tool: Any handy tool that you grab and throw across the garage while yelling “SOB” at the top of your lungs. It is also, most often, the next tool that you will need.


  147. 151 Carolina Lady November 25, 2009 at 12:04 pm


    36 have been accused of spousal abuse

    7 have been arrested for fraud

    19 have been accused of writing bad checks

    117 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses

    3 have done time for assault

    71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit

    14 have been arrested on drug-related charges

    8 have been arrested for shoplifting

    21 currently are defendants in lawsuits,


    84 have been arrested for drunk driving in the last year

    Can you guess which organization this is?
    NBA Or NFL?

    Nope. Congress!

    (These are the people who pass LAWS to keep the rest of us in line….)


  148. 152 Voice of Raisins November 25, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    Ber, the agreement Wagner had with the Sox was for them to not pick (ha… another good proof reading moment. The “p” and “l” are very close together) up his option for 2010.


  149. 153 Voice of Raisins November 25, 2009 at 12:14 pm

    CL… the tools… 😆

    I can so relate…


  150. 154 Voice of Raisins November 25, 2009 at 12:15 pm


    I cannot relate… thankfully…


  151. 155 Voice of Raisins November 25, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    Buck Belue, the former UGA QB and Expos farmhand, suggests the Braves think about Kevin Gregg.

    No inside skinny here, but Kevin Gregg looks like a good fit to me. The Cubs just let him hit the free agent market. Dude has saved 84 games the last three seasons for the Marlins and Cubs. He made $4.2 last year in Chicago. Major League batters hit .212 against him the last 3 seasons. Just saying.

    Not a bad thought…


  152. 156 Gil in Mechanicsville November 25, 2009 at 1:32 pm

    I don’t know about Gregg Rasins… he always looked a bit shaky to me. I guess if the Braves were more interested in saving money than saving baseball games then he would be a fit.


  153. 157 Voice of Raisins November 25, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    Honestly, Gil, I think they will (and maybe already are) go hard after Wagner. It works from all angles. They will replace Gonzo ($4MM+ in ’09) and Sori ($6MM+ in ’09) with Wags (+/- $9MM in ’10). Net savings of $1MM. Plus, you may lose 1 1st round draft pick, but you’ll gain 2 back, plus 2 sandwich picks. It is a no brainer to me.

    I have read where they are already talking to his agent, but will most assuredly wait until Dec. 1 to see where the full market goes before making an offer.


  154. 158 Gil in Mechanicsville November 25, 2009 at 2:14 pm

    Well, he looked pretty good at the end of the season. Still, would not Gonzalas be cheaper? Saving $1 million but having one less pitcher does not seem to be much of an upside to me. Of course, it’s someone else’s money.


  155. 159 Gil in Mechanicsville November 25, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    I forget, other people cannot read my mind… well, other than Josie… The above should have said “Well, Wagner looked pretty good at the end of the season…”


  156. 160 Voice of Raisins November 25, 2009 at 2:56 pm

    Just my opinion, Gil, but I think they (being the Braves muckety mucks) think that Wagner is “lock-down” closer. Maybe not so much with Gonzo, who had almost as many blown saves (7) as saves (10) last season. That’s why Sori had the job in the 2nd half.

    Plus, Gonzo will require at least 3 years guaranteed. Wags is most likely looking at 1 plus an option. That is probably the key right there.


  157. 161 Voice of Raisins November 25, 2009 at 3:05 pm

    Oh, and one less pitcher… sort of.

    Really, you have to look at it as roles. Between Moylan, Gonzo and Sori, you had the 7th, 8th and 9th innings covered.

    Those will likely be given to Proctor(7th), Moylan (8th) and maybe Wagner. Maybe Valverde, maybe Gregg, maybe Dotel. That’s how I see their roles, anyway. Sprinkle in a little O’Fla in there as well.

    Medlen takes the long role long held by Carlyle and Bennett. Add in Boone Logan and maybe rookie Lee Hyde or some other FA pickup and you have your bullpen. And a pretty decent one too.

    In my very limited view, signing Wagner should be job #1 – even before addressing the offense. Signing a real closer defines all of the other roles, and solidifies he entire pitching staff. One, but the way, that should be a tremendous strength.

    Then Frank can focus his sights on the trade market for the offense.


  158. 162 Voice of Raisins November 25, 2009 at 3:21 pm


    The White Sox have signed outfielder Andruw Jones to a one year contract worth $500K, according to ESPN Chicago’s Bruce Levine. Jones could earn another $1MM in performance based incentives, and Levine mentions that the ChiSox are not looking at him as a starting outfielder, instead they were looking to solidify their bench.

    Good luck with that…


  159. 163 Carolina Lady November 25, 2009 at 3:30 pm

    “instead they were looking to solidify their bench.” They aren’t looking for much, are they???

    “…a one year contract worth $500K….could earn another $1MM in performance based incentives…” I can’t get out of my mind the picture painted by O’Brien some time back of him seeing AJ sitting in the Braves’ clubhouse, flicking his ginormous paycheck in the faces of the rookies, smirking and telling them, “Work hard and maybe you’ll get one of these some day.” My, how times have changed, huh, Andruw??”


  160. 164 Carolina Lady November 25, 2009 at 4:46 pm

    This just plain sounds ignorant to me – or is it just me???

    from a mlb.com article on Andruw:
    Jones batted .214 with 17 homers and 43 RBIs in 82 games with the Rangers in 2009……The 32-year-old right-handed hitter made 53 starts as a designated hitter, 12 in left field, five in right field and four at first base….”This is an opportunity to add a power bat to the roster while improving our outfield depth,” White Sox general manager Ken Williams said in a statement.”

    If that is true, even I could make a positive impact on somebody’s roster…. when my shoulder heals, that is…. 😳


  161. 165 Gil in Mechanicsville November 25, 2009 at 4:46 pm

    Yes, how the mighty have fallen…. Sad in a way, but not that I feel sorry for him, after all, not like he is starving or anything.

    Yeah… The sun has finally broken through, gives me hope for change…. Uh, you know what I mean… Anyway, Josie has been busy preparing for the onslaught tomorrow. We were talking about how this will be the first Thanksgiving since we met that Mom will not be involved. I think we will have to go up to the nursing home tomorrow evening as a matter of principle. I don’t think mom knows when the holidays are anymore. Yesterday when we went to see her she kept saying she needed to give her paycheck to her daddy. Well, he has been dead for almost 30 years so that might be a bit tough to do. Bless her heart….


  162. 166 Voice of Raisins November 25, 2009 at 7:46 pm

    Rob Bradford, WEEI.com:

    Bean Stringfellow, the agent for reliever Billy Wagner, told WEEI.com late Wednesday afternoon that eight teams have shown interest his client, and has been told by a few of the interested clubs that Wagner will be presented with offers sometime next week. All of the teams have approached Wagner with the intention of using him as their closer, said Stringfellow.

    Uh, wanna take odds on the Braves being one of ’em?


  163. 167 Salty November 25, 2009 at 8:40 pm

    Happy Thanksgving, Stuffville!!!


  164. 168 Carolina Lady November 25, 2009 at 11:08 pm

    Hey, Salty!!! Good to see you again! HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!


  165. 169 Gil in Mechanicsville November 26, 2009 at 7:12 am

    Good morning everybody, I hope everyone has a happy and fruitful Thanksgiving today. There is one tradition my mom always had at big and festive meals and that was to set an extra place at the table. More often than not, someone would show up…. For mom, Thanksgiving meals were like going to Golden Corral. She would have turkey, ham and roast beef and if she knew you had a favorite food she would make sure it was on the table too. It was never a surprise for her to add fried chicken to the menu just in case…. Sigh, makes me feel sad now just thinking about it….

    I guess things weren’t always bad at home growing up, I never went hungry, that’s for sure….


  166. 170 Gil in Mechanicsville November 26, 2009 at 7:13 am

    And for that I am thankful….


  167. 171 Voice of Raisins November 26, 2009 at 9:02 am

    Gil… great memories.

    Some of my best memories of my folks are of Thanksgiving when everyone was together. That was my Mom and Dad’s favorite time of the year because that, and Christmas Eve, were the only times that we were all under one roof. I miss ’em…

    My sister, though, is coming today to spend the day with me and my family. For that I am extremely thankful.

    There many other things as well – too many to list. I’ll just say that I am thankful for my savior, my family, and my friends.

    I count you all among my friends.

    Happy Thanksgiving Stuffians!


  168. 172 Carolina Lady November 26, 2009 at 10:33 am

    Happy Thanksgiving, my friends! Hope this is a day for remembering all the things for which we are truly thankful.

    I was thinking a day or so back about how many things we aren’t even aware of that we should be thankful for. How many things DIDN’T happen to us that we don’t know about? How many times were disasters averted from us that we never knew of? That car didn’t hit us. That (fill-in-the-blank) missed us, didn’t happen. Maybe someday we’ll know – but until then, I’ll give thanks for the Master’s protection and love.

    Don’t eat too much! 🙂


  169. 173 Salty November 26, 2009 at 10:50 am

    Don’t eat too much!

    And just why not! 😕

    Blessings to all! :mrgreen:


  170. 174 Savannah Guy November 26, 2009 at 11:34 am

    Happy Thanksgiving everyone. Dittos CL for your 10:33. Well, ‘cept for the not eating much part. 😀

    Read an interesting Thanksgiving article the other day and saved it for y’all. Some things just keep recycling it seems…

    A Thanksgiving Story.


  171. 175 Carolina Lady November 26, 2009 at 11:56 am

    Great article, SG! Bet that really did chaff the liberal teachers!


  172. 176 berigan2electricboogaloo November 26, 2009 at 1:12 pm

    Happy Thanksgiving everyone! 🙂
    Gil, I feel your pain…feels weird to cook the Turkey, instead of Mom. Well, Dad and I cook it, but it was best when Mom did it…we are better than we were the first time we cooked it without having her tell us what to do.

    Much to be grateful for….


  173. 177 Gil in Mechanicsville November 26, 2009 at 2:46 pm

    Greetings all, I am awaiting the arrival of our oldest son and his family for dinner. I am trying not to gnaw the leg off the cat as the aromas coming from the kitchen are driving me crazy…. Dinner at 3 is late for an old guy…

    Ber, cooking bags were invented for things just like this. Much easier, faster and less clean up.

    SG, great lesson. It was also tried here in the Virginia colonies as well…. As a card carrying union member most of my life, I can attest that equal pay does not always equate equal work. Very few work harder, most digress to the least effort put forth by an individual on a shift.

    Anyway, Happy Thanksgiving to all.

    Great bunch to be associated with here in Stuffville.


  174. 178 Gil in Mechanicsville November 27, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    Uh oh… Everyone sleeping in today? Shopping maybe? Not much on the baseball front, that’s for sure.


  175. 179 Voice of Raisins November 27, 2009 at 8:52 pm

    … ate too much…

    … can’t function properly…

    … pie is good…


  176. 180 berigan2electricboogaloo November 27, 2009 at 10:44 pm

    😯 BOO!!!!! 😯


  177. 182 berigan2electricboogaloo November 28, 2009 at 2:08 pm

    Very nice story CL! 🙂 Hope McGee can make lots of money, so he can help that organization….


  178. 183 Voice of Raisins November 28, 2009 at 3:02 pm

    Mcgehee is the kind of player I would love to see the Braves end up with.


  179. 184 Voice of Raisins November 28, 2009 at 3:04 pm

    Sources have indicated to Phil Rogers of The Chicago Tribune that commissioner Bud Selig plans to step down after the 2012 season, when his contract is up:




  180. 185 flbravesgirl November 28, 2009 at 10:58 pm

    Really?! I hope we get someone who’s not just the owner’s puppet again. Bud is just too much of a weenie.


  181. 186 flbravesgirl November 28, 2009 at 11:08 pm

    Dad just came in from his Gator Club bus trip to the game. Needless to say, he is very very very happy.


  182. 187 Voice of Raisins November 28, 2009 at 11:52 pm

    We Dawg fans are pretty happy tonight as well…


  183. 188 berigan2electricboogaloo November 29, 2009 at 10:52 am

    We Braves fans wish it was Mid March right about now! 😉

    Glad you football fans are happy…


  184. 189 Gil in Mechanicsville November 29, 2009 at 12:31 pm

    Well, I’m semi satisfied… My high school team won the Central Regional Championship, University of Richmond beat Elon and Va Tech embarrassed UVA.. So yeah, that’s about a good as I can hope for.

    I think the Braves will have some success in shopping Lowe, if not now then in the spring when teams realize how desperate they are to have a front line starter. They might be a little hesitant on the price tag but only a little… His contract would only be for 3 years and insurance would cover that if he were to get hurt…

    The Crime Dog and the Big Cat are Hall of Fame eligible this year. I don’t think they will get in but they were two pretty good players for the Braves.


  185. 190 Voice of Raisins November 29, 2009 at 8:46 pm

    Derek Lowe likes pitching for the Braves and would prefer to stay in Atlanta, but acknowledges that he doesn’t have much control over the situation. “I understand this is a business and I know the Braves have some things they’d like to do,” Lowe told Cafardo. “I hope I can be here because I really enjoy it.” — Boston Globe

    In my perfect world, we’d keep Lowe and trade Kenshin Kawakami. But that really doesn’t give us the salary relief we need, now does it?


  186. 191 Voice of Raisins November 29, 2009 at 8:47 pm

    The Braves are showing interest in Takashi Saito:



  187. 192 Voice of Raisins November 29, 2009 at 8:49 pm

    Saito posted a 2.43 ERA in 55.2 IP for the Red Sox last year, in what was maybe his least effective MLB campaign. In 245.1 innings over four seasons in Los Angeles and Boston, Saito’s ERA is a minuscule 2.01. Although he turns 40 before Opening Day 2010, Saito’s track record should earn him an eighth-inning job, and perhaps even a chance to close. — MLBTR


  188. 193 Gil in Mechanicsville November 29, 2009 at 9:21 pm

    Whew… I feel pretty beat up tonight. Josie and I worked on putting up the Christmas lights today. At what point is it okay to leave them up all year round so you no longer have to scale the ladder? Plus I ran the leaf vac over the front field for what I hope will be the last time this year. Those little buggers who insist on hanging on for dear life will just have to wait until the initial spring mowing now.

    I have a full schedule set for tomorrow, I need to pick up some more lights to replace the sets that magically self destruct during storage each year. And then to the dump, and to the small engine repair shop so they can take another whack at my Gravely. I think it’s the magneto this time… Sigh…

    And the boat is ready and the ATV…. So many toys, so little time…. There is going to be one heck of an estate sale when Josie and I chuck it all in for the last time. They will spend two days on my tool shed alone.

    Now baseball…. IS IS SPRING YET????


  189. 194 flbravesgirl November 30, 2009 at 12:03 am

    All of our decorations are up now too. And permit me to gloat for a moment… my Christmas shopping is done. D-O-N-E. Doing the happy dance.


  190. 195 Gil in Mechanicsville November 30, 2009 at 4:42 am

    UGH… Shopping….


  191. 196 Voice of Raisins November 30, 2009 at 7:50 am

    Gil… ditto…


  192. 197 Voice of Raisins November 30, 2009 at 9:25 am


    Rockies outfielder Ryan Spilborghs remains a popular trade target, but the Rockies plan to keep him unless they receive a substantial offer, major-league sources say.

    The renewed trade talk about Spilborghs, 30, stems in part from his eligibility for arbitration for the first time. The Rockies might want to avoid tangling with his agent, Scott Boras, and paying an arbitration-inflated salary to an extra outfielder.

    The Braves and White Sox are among the teams that like Spilborghs. The Rockies could replace him with Matt Murton, another right-handed hitter.

    Club officials, however, do not expect to receive an offer compelling enough for them to move Spilborghs, who will remain quite affordable next season even after he receives a significant raise from $415,000.

    Spilborghs had a career-high 352 at-bats last season, and his batting average/on-base/slugging line declined to .241/.310/.395. However, he plays all three outfield positions and is popular in the clubhouse and community.

    Please… NO substantial offers for Spilborghs…


  193. 198 berigan2electricboogaloo November 30, 2009 at 11:15 am

    OH boy, that is an exciting name, eh??? 😛


  194. 199 Voice of Raisins November 30, 2009 at 11:28 am

    There was a nice piece on Braves closer prospect Craig Kimbrel by Mr. O’B in Thursday’s print edition of the AJC. (The only time of the year I buy a newspaper is on Thanksgiving day; Mrs. Raisins must have the sale ads for Black Friday.)

    Anyway, I am trying to find an online version of it, but so far, to no avail.

    Very informative. He appears to be the heir apparent at closer, and is the first homegrown closer prospect in many years. He could crack this year’s pen, but most likely needs a little more Minor League seasoning to hone his command. Big time fastball, big time slider. Alot of K’s, but a few too many BB’s at present. Kinda reminds me of Mark Wohler’s. At just 5’11”, he draws alot of comparisons to a young Billy Wagner, except from the RH side. No wonder we are seeking Wags for a 1 year stay…


  195. 200 Voice of Raisins November 30, 2009 at 11:30 am

    Found it posted across the street:

    By David O’Brien

    PHOENIX — For most of the 2009 season, Craig Kimbrel pitched as if it were no longer a question of if he would be the Braves’ eventual closer, but a matter of when.

    He was that good, piling up 103 strikeouts with only 30 hits allowed in 60 innings for four Braves minor-league teams. There was only one problem.


    The Huntsville, Ala., native issued 45 walks during the season, including 18 in his first 11 innings. Kimbrel’s control issues resurfaced in the last two weeks of the just-completed Arizona Fall League.

    “That’s the story on me,” he said on a recent November morning in Arizona, as he and his Peoria Saguaros teammates prepared for an afternoon game. “If I can quit walking guys, I’ll be all right.”

    When he quits walking so many, the Braves could finally have a homegrown closer they can count on for a while, instead of scrambling to sign or trade for one every couple of years.

    “He’s getting to the point where he’s not too far away, and he has power stuff,” Braves general manager Frank Wren said of the Braves’ minor league pitcher of the year, who rebounded from an early May demotion to low-A Rome and made four jumps to finish the season at Class AAA.

    It was Kimbrel’s second season since being selected in the third round of the 2008 draft out of Wallace State (Ala.) Community College.

    “He’s made great progress,” Wren said. “He’s a back-end-of-the-bullpen type guy that gets it up to 98 [miles per hour] and has an outstanding curveball. He makes it tough on hitters.”

    At least when he doesn’t make it easy on them with walks.

    Kimbrel allowed 11 walks and 11 earned runs in 3-2/3 innings over his final five fall-league appearances. He had four walks and six strikeouts in two innings during his last two appearances last week.

    Before those five games, Kimbrel pitched in six games and allowed three hits, one run and five walks with eight strikeouts in 6-2/3 innings.

    He finished the AFL season with a stingy .189 opponents’ average, but had a bloated 10.45 ERA along with 16 walks and 18 strikeouts in 10-1/3 innings.

    “When he’s on, he knows he’s untouchable,” said Saguaros pitching coach Jim Czajkowski, who’s also the Rome pitching coach who worked with Kimbrel after his May demotion from high-A Myrtle Beach.

    “He has pretty dominating stuff, no doubt about it,” Czajkowski said of Kimbrel, who’s listed at 5 feet 11. “He’s at 95-97 [mph] and keeps the ball down. It’s very hard to see the ball come out of his hand — his ball always stays under the hitters’ eyes.

    “I’m not saying short guys have an advantage, but when they throw that hard it’s an advantage when you’re only seeing part of the ball coming through the zone.”

    Kimbrel was told to work on his change-up in Arizona and also tried to get consistent with his “slurve,” a slider/curveball hybrid that can be devastating.

    Mostly, though, he just needs to keep working to throw more strikes and stay confident, even after giving up a three-run homer like he did this week.

    “One thing I’ve noticed, if you can be confident in yourself you’ll be a lot more successful,” said Kimbrel, who has dealt with the stigma of being an undersized pitcher.

    “It is hard being a smaller guy,” he said. “You catch a lot of stuff, like ‘Oh, he’s not big enough; he’s not going to be durable.’ That’s just something you can’t do anything about — people are going to say what they’re going to say.”

    Closer Billy Wagner is under 6 feet and closing in on 400 saves. It’s worth noting, Wagner also piled up a ton of walks (91) and strikeouts (204) in his second minor league season (he was a starter back then).

    After Kimbrel’s demotion to Rome a month into the season, he worked with Czajkowski on a flaw in his delivery and listened to the coach’s advice about believing in himself and trusting his stuff.

    Kimbrel had a 0.90 ERA with 38 strikeouts and six walks in 20 innings at Rome. After a return to Myrtle Beach, he was promoted to Class AA Mississippi and posted a 0.77 ERA with an .083 opponents’ average in 12 appearances there.

    Kimbrel pitched two hitless innings (with four walks) late at Class AAA Gwinnett, then took a brief break before cranking up again in Arizona. Despite his recent wild streak, he feels a lot closer now to realizing a dream.

    “I had a good year this year, accomplished a lot,” he said. “But my work’s not done until I make it to the big leagues. And once I get there, keep on going.”


  196. 201 Voice of Raisins November 30, 2009 at 11:31 am

    Is it too early to get excited about 2011? 😆


  197. 202 Voice of Raisins November 30, 2009 at 11:33 am

    You know, just thinking about 2011…

    Do you realize that next offseason, the only 2 positions that will really be in question are 3B (Chipper) and manager?

    That is kind of mindblowing… 😯


  198. 203 Voice of Raisins November 30, 2009 at 11:36 am

    Maybe I should say, “the only 2 positions that should be in question…”

    Can’t count my chickens before they hatch and are raised and sold to a distributor where they are turned into fast food and deep fried…


  199. 204 Carolina Lady November 30, 2009 at 12:34 pm

    Good stuff, Raisins! And LOVE that avatar! 😀


  200. 205 Voice of Raisins November 30, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    Boston Globe:

    Lowe prefers not to be spun out of Braves’ rotation


    DLowe speaks very candidly. I really respect and like the guy. I won’t be brokenhearted if he’s still in the rotation in April.


  201. 206 Gil in Mechanicsville November 30, 2009 at 2:00 pm

    It is a story we often here repeated in pitchers who give batters a little too much credit. Wasn’t that one of the problems with JoJo? Sometimes a pitcher just has to bring it and say, if you think you can hit it, swing….

    What is it we often notice that giving up a couple of solo shots is not near as bad as giving up a dinger after walking a couple of guys. No defense against a walk….

    Now then, some guys just are not blessed with speed or movement, those are the guys who have to get by with the changing speeds and deception. The minors are loaded with them.


  202. 207 Gil in Mechanicsville November 30, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    Knowing you have a mechanical flaw and not being able to correct it… Sounds like my bowling delivery…. Well, when I use to bowl anyway….

    brrrrrr….. cold front moving in. Still three strings of icicles to hang on the eaves. Would like to get that done without turning into an icicle myself. It’s just cool enough and just wet enough to make this a day even a duck would find a bit raw….


  203. 208 Salty November 30, 2009 at 4:18 pm

    What a stupid, self-important statement! Conjecture, supposition, rumor…etc., renders privacy irrelevant? I have pure and utter disdain for the media. 😡

    Woods’ request for privacy became irrelevant the moment the conjecture began that there might have been a conflict between Woods and his wife on Thanksgiving over last week’s National Enquirer story about an affair.

    Don Henley…’Dirty Laundry’…the song lives on and on and on and….


  204. 209 Voice of Raisins November 30, 2009 at 4:24 pm


    According to Mr. O’B, Chip Caray is out!



  205. 210 Voice of Raisins November 30, 2009 at 4:26 pm

    NY Times:

    In a memo sent to company employees, David Levy, the president of Turner Sports, wrote on Monday: “Since the end of this year’s M.L.B. playoffs, we’ve had several discussions with Chip Caray regarding 2010 and beyond. Both sides have agreed that now is the right time for Turner Sports and Chip to move ahead on different paths.”

    Caray had some time left on his contract with Turner, where he also called Braves games on the Peachtree TV cable network. Levy said the company was looking at a “number of candidates” to replace Caray at both positions.


  206. 211 Voice of Raisins November 30, 2009 at 4:31 pm

    My favorite Chip call:

    “Line drive. Base hit. Caught out there. The runner tags. Throw to the plate. On target. And in time! A double play”



  207. 212 Carolina Lady November 30, 2009 at 6:18 pm

    You and me both, Salty!

    Raisins, there will be dancing in (some) streets!


  208. 213 Voice of Raisins November 30, 2009 at 6:36 pm

    Mark Bowman:

    Still, before next week’s Winter Meetings begin, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Wren make a trade, and by that, I mean one more significant than the one that could involve Kelly Johnson.

    Hmmm… I wonder what gives him that idea? Does he know something none of the rest of us knows?


  209. 214 Voice of Raisins November 30, 2009 at 8:42 pm

    CL, don’t break out the dancin’ shoes just yet.

    According to Bowman:

    Just got off the phone with Chip Caray and he seems comfortable with the fact that he and TBS have parted ways. I’m about to write something more on this for the site. But to give you my thoughts, this paves the way for Chip to pursue his desire to work on a daily basis and possibly be around the Braves on a much more regular basis.

    Well, isn’t that special…


  210. 215 flbravesgirl November 30, 2009 at 10:43 pm

    Nooo! DO NOT hire Chip to be the Braves’ regular broadcaster!


  211. 216 Carolina Lady November 30, 2009 at 11:30 pm



  212. 217 Gil in Mechanicsville December 1, 2009 at 4:34 am

    See, that’s why people should be careful what they wish for….


  213. 218 Voice of Raisins December 1, 2009 at 8:18 am

    Well… today is arb offer day. Midnight deadline. Then, one week for the offered player to accept or decline. The roadmap ought to get a little clearer tomorrow, and even more clear as we see who accepts and who declines.

    I’ll predict that Frank offers all 3 of our eligible players.

    1. Gonzo will surely be offered as he may be one of the hottest FA’s on the market.

    2. Soriano should in that he may be only slightly less popular than Gonzo.

    3. Rochey should in that the Braves might actually be happy if he’d accept, which he probably won’t.


  214. 219 Voice of Raisins December 1, 2009 at 8:52 am

    I have to say a few things regarding Chip. CL, hold on to your seat.

    First, let me just say that I do not believe there is any way that FOX would bring Chip in after having been canned by the competitor. It makes very little sense.

    That said, I actually find Chip less annoying than the Braves’ last announcing hire – Don Sutton. Chip may make errors and drift at times, but Sutton is just downright mind numbing. Given the choice between the 2, I think I’d take Chip.

    If anyone from the Braves’ media department happens to be reading, and we know that you do 😀 , please allow Jim Powell to do ALL of the play-by-play, and make Sutton stick to color. His knowledge makes him at least tolerable in that role.

    Now, I have a couple of things to say regarding Chip. I believe him when he says that bouncing between one team and network games had an effect on his performance. Having the consistency of following one team’s players, one team’s tendencies has to be infinitely easier to call.

    And not that Chip has earned the respect and admiration of his lineage, but had Skip made some of the gaffes that Chip made, we’d most likely laugh it off as part of his unique personality. Agreed that Chip hasn’t earned that distinction, but maybe I have been a little harsh going the other direction.

    Last, there is a phrase that goes “the devil you know is better than the devil you don’t.” Who knows who will be his replacement at Turner. I just hope they’ll hire one person for the Braves, and one person for the network. The other formula wasn’t all that.

    Now that I have advised Turner on how to handle their business :mrgreen: , what about FOX? Who will pair with Joe? There is some speculation that Bob Rathbun could come back. God I hope not. Suddenly Chip as an option doesn’t look so bad… 😯


  215. 220 Voice of Raisins December 1, 2009 at 9:20 am

    Interesting note from Buster Olney:

    Roy Halladay, the All-Star pitcher who has been the subject of much trade talk since before the July deadline, will not approve any proposed deal after he reports to spring training, according to his representatives.

    This means that the Toronto Blue Jays either will have to work out a trade of Halladay by the end of the offseason, or be prepared to receive only draft-pick compensation when the pitcher becomes eligible for free agency in the fall of 2010.

    I side with Halladay on this. I respect him for not wanting this distraction once the season starts.

    I wonder, though, if it will have a trickle down effect on the Braves and DLowe. Olney believes that the Jays will almost certainly trade Halladay now since they cannot hold onto him for a deadline deal, when his value would be even higher. That adds another notch in the chain above DLowe.

    That said, I wonder if it could actually end up helping the Braves. Follow my logic here..

    Frank has intimated that he is waiting for Jon Lackey to sign to form the market for DLowe. Perhaps having Halladay firmly in the trade market from day 1 will set it even sooner. And maybe, just maybe, DLowe could become the consolation prize for those teams who don’t win the Halladay prize, much the same way he became a clear target for Frank when he missed in the AJ Burnett sweepstakes. (And look how NYM jumped on horrid Oliver Perez when they missed out on DLowe last year. Wait, that’s a bad example. They’re just stupid in general.)

    Anyway, I’ll bet it does have some bearing on how Frank moves a pitcher.


  216. 221 Voice of Raisins December 1, 2009 at 10:31 am

    MLB.com’s Adam McCalvy says the Brewers are “leaning against extending arbitration offers to any of their five compensation-eligible free agents, including Felipe Lopez.”

    That would also include Mike Cameron.


  217. 222 Voice of Raisins December 1, 2009 at 10:34 am

    Michael Silverman of the Boston Herald says “the Red Sox will offer arbitration to Type A’s Jason Bay and Billy Wagner.”

    We kinda knew that…


  218. 223 Salty December 1, 2009 at 11:23 am

    I like Sutton…but I’m from Mobile, originally. We ‘Panhandlers’ stick together…the original LA! 😆

    I singularly do not like Rathbun…grates on me; he’s one of the few who can find my ‘last nerve’.

    Question: if…IF, a team traded for D Lowe, before Halladay signs, and the Braves paid, oh, $5 million of his salary each of the three years, would you sign Halladay for $20 million/year, then trade Vazquez? Or…would you trade a JJ or Hanson for a mega-bopper…that is a deal no one saw coming?

    Thought I’d toss out crazy fodder to see who’s awake.


  219. 224 Gil in Mechanicsville December 1, 2009 at 11:25 am

    Didn’t the Braves have a scenario a couple of years ago where they lost a type A or Type B player but did not get compensation due to some quirk in the rule? I think there is a limit to the number of picks a club can receive as compensation.

    Now, on the topic of draft picks, unless you are talking about someone in the first 20 or so, you aren’t guaranteed a thing. Sometimes even then… I still think the Braves got really lucky to get McCann in the second round.

    Riskiest pick to me is always a pitcher. So many things can go wrong long before they ever make it to the Bigs.

    Just as a comparison, announcing teams I can’t stand… Washington and the Brewers and McCarver and Joe Buck. Announcers I do like, Vince Scully and the Mets crew…. I liked Boog and Joe last year too.

    As for Chip and Don, well, I just don’t turn the volume up too loud.


  220. 225 Voice of Raisins December 1, 2009 at 11:38 am

    The Cubs have informed Rich Harden (B), Kevin Gregg (A), and Reed Johnson (neither) that they will not be offering arbitration, according to David Kaplan of Chicago Now.


  221. 226 Voice of Raisins December 1, 2009 at 11:42 am

    Gil, I think we may nave received a # 2 instead of a #1 because of some of the rules, of which I am about to post a long a detailed explanation…


  222. 227 Voice of Raisins December 1, 2009 at 11:50 am

    Arb rules, courtesy of MLBTR:

    When a team offers arbitration to one of its own free agents, it is offering the player a 2010 contract at a to-be-determined salary. Last year, out of 24 such offers, only two players (Darren Oliver and David Weathers) accepted.

    One reason “offering arbitration” to free agents is confusing is that the actual process of arbitration rarely comes into play. Even with Oliver and Weathers last year, the sides agreed on 2010 salaries without arbitration hearings. In an arbitration hearing, a third-party panel must choose between one salary figure submitted by the team and another submitted by the player. These hearings only take place if the sides cannot agree on a salary. Clearing up a common error: if a free agent accepts arbitration, the team and the player can submit any salary figure they want.

    If most free agents turn down arbitration offers, why do we care? Turning down an arbitration offer makes draft pick compensation possible for the team losing the free agent. Free agents can be classified as Type A, B, or nothing.

    Shortstop Marco Scutaro will be our example of a Type A free agent. Say the Blue Jays offer him arbitration, and he turns it down because he feels he can do better than a one-year contract if he hits the open market. Say also that the Red Sox sign Scutaro, and do not sign any other Type A free agents. In this case, the Blue Jays are given Boston’s #29 pick in the June 2010 draft as well as a pick in a supplemental round that takes place after the first round. It’s important to note that the supplemental pick is squeezed into the draft but it does not come from the Red Sox. Therefore, the Sox only surrendered one pick to sign Scutaro, even though the Blue Jays received two.

    In the Scutaro example, the Blue Jays were given Boston’s first-round draft pick. With Type A free agent draft pick compensation, only first-round picks outside of the top 15 are eligible to be taken by another team. The first 15 picks are protected. In those cases, the team gives up its second-round pick. For example, if the Astros sign Scutaro, the Blue Jays get their second-round (#41) pick rather than their protected first-round (#8) pick.

    Now, if one team signs multiple Type A’s from other teams, as the Yankees did last year, draft pick compensation gets even muddier.

    This scenario occurred last year when the Yankees signed three Type A’s: Mark Teixeira, C.C. Sabathia, and A.J. Burnett. Which team – the Angels, Brewers, or Blue Jays – received the Yanks’ #25 draft pick? It was the Angels for Teixeira. The Brewers received the Yanks’ #73 pick from the second round, and the Jays got the Yanks’ #104 pick from the third round. (Note that all three teams also received picks in the supplemental first round, but those were not taken from the Yankees). So the Blue Jays got screwed – they hoped for a pick between #17 and #32, only to receive #104 for Burnett.

    The Teixeira/Sabathia/Burnett situation was decided by each player’s specific Elias ranking number. Teixeira (98.889) nudged out Sabathia (98.110), while Burnett’s number was 89.729. So you see that the Brewers just missed getting #25 instead of #73. They were further burned when Ben Sheets did not sign with a team.

    We’ll use outfielder Marlon Byrd as our Type B example. Say the Rangers offer him arbitration and he turns it down in search of a better contract. Say also that the Cubs sign Byrd. The Cubs do not give a draft pick to the Rangers. The Rangers do gain a draft pick – it is squeezed into the supplemental round. Therefore, signing a Type A free agent who was offered and turned down arbitration costs one draft pick, but signing such a Type B does not. Players who were not offered arbitration do not have draft pick compensation. Same goes for players who were designated neither A nor B.

    (Another cause for confusion: we have a different concept that also uses the word “arbitration.” When we say Felix Hernandez is arbitration-eligible, we mean that he has between two-plus and five-plus years of service time, and therefore has some say in his salary. Hernandez is under the Mariners’ control. The only question is what they will pay him next year, and that’s the one similarity with free agent compensation. Felix and the Mariners each submit salary figures, and if they can’t agree an arbitration panel must choose one.)

    Upcoming deadlines:

    December 1st (by 11pm CST), we’ll learn whether teams offer arbitration to their free agents.

    By December 7th, those 20-25 players must choose whether to accept. Those who accept are no longer free agents.

    The unrelated non-tender deadline is December 12th. That is when teams decide whether to tender a contract to arbitration-eligible players. These players have fewer than six years of service time [like KJ], and are under team control for 2010 if the team wants them. If not, the players are non-tendered and become free agents. We’ll be adding many names to the free agent list on December 12th.


  223. 228 Voice of Raisins December 1, 2009 at 11:51 am

    Told ya it was long and detailed..



  224. 229 berigan2electricboogaloo December 1, 2009 at 1:44 pm

    That it was V! 😀
    I recalled a bit that the Brewers got hosed. Which I was kind of glad, since they are such cheapskates. Draw 3 Mil, but act like they are the A’s drawing half that.
    But man, it’s confusing! I thought it was the first 6-8 worst teams that were protected. Bottom half it is!

    We were protected last year, weren’t we?? Lowe was an A, don’t think we lost #1,, cuz we really sucked in 2008.


  225. 230 berigan2electricboogaloo December 1, 2009 at 2:05 pm

    And everyone knows I like Chip. Listened to his Grandpa first, (who made mistakes before his stroke) Then started listening to ol Skip. Funny voice, but grew to love him. He too was not perfect. Chip is far from perfect too. But, I think he had the best voice of the 3.
    That being said, he is making more mistakes, I and don’t know why.
    V makes a good point, working with different crews will throw people off. As often as you hear that clip of Jack Buck saying, I don’t believe what I just saw, he was nowheres near as good on the networks during the playoffs, as he was with his long time partner Mike Shannon. He was hysterical on local games…humor seemed muted on CBS games.
    Anyway, he and Joe Simpson seems like a good match.
    The Brewers guy sounds more comfortable now with Don…


  226. 231 berigan2electricboogaloo December 1, 2009 at 2:23 pm

    I forget, Vin Skully did the tv play by play, that is Buck doing CBS radio that is now so famous.


  227. 232 Voice of Raisins December 1, 2009 at 9:06 pm

    Braves offered arb to Gonzo and Sori, but NO to LaRoche. Kinda surprised…


  228. 233 berigan2electricboogaloo December 1, 2009 at 10:16 pm

    That is surprising! 😯


  229. 234 flbravesgirl December 1, 2009 at 11:52 pm

    Really? Wonder what Frank has up his sleeve?


  230. 235 flbravesgirl December 1, 2009 at 11:59 pm

    I’m touched to see that the Angels’ players voted a full playoff share to Nick Adenhart’s family.


  231. 236 Salty December 2, 2009 at 6:25 am

    Still think LaRoche is back…3 years/$22-25. His defense is so overlooked.

    Didn’t waste time pulling Wagner into the fold…and with a reasonable option for ’11. Guy has a new arm and a bulldog mentality. I can see him being a solid mentor for Medlen, setting up a righty/lefty combo.

    Angels are fist-class…they didn’t simply use Adenhart as poster-boy…obviously he meant a lot to them.

    Very rare in sports…see Hines Ward by comparison. “I’m sorry” is one of the most over-used and insincere comments one can (generally) make. It does precious little for the recipient that is called out in public and embarrassed; more to make the violator feel better, for him/her self. My kids know it doesn’t pass muster when they flat out know they’re about to do or say something that is wrong. Just save your breath.


  232. 237 berigan2electricboogaloo December 2, 2009 at 7:31 am

    Salty, it sounds like you have some influence with the Bravos! 😉

    Braves To Sign Billy Wagner
    By Ben Nicholson-Smith [December 2 at 1:28am CST]

    The Braves have agreed to sign Billy Wagner, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. The deal is worth $7MM and includes a $6.5MM option for 2011 that vests if Wagner finishes 50 games.

    The Red Sox offered the lefty arbitration tonight, so they stand to gain the Braves’ first round pick in next year’s draft, plus a supplemental rounder. The move is pending a physical, which could be more than a formality in this case. The 38-year-old returned from Tommy John surgery last year to strike out 15 batters per nine innings in 17 appearances with the Mets and Red Sox.

    The Elias numbers rank John Lackey, Matt Holliday, Marco Scutaro and Jose Valverde ahead of Wagner, so if the Braves sign one of those players, the Red Sox would get the Braves’ 52nd overall selection.



  233. 238 Voice of Raisins December 2, 2009 at 8:53 am

    Absolutely fantastic move. The Braves have now firmed up the back end of the pen and defined everyone’s roles.

    Starting, holding and finishing, the Braves now have one of the best pitching staffs in the NL, and maybe in baseball.

    I maintained all along that the pen was the top priority, and am ecstatic that Frank got this part done.

    Now, as Miss Jennifer said, “Wonder what [else] Frank has up his sleeve?”

    Betcha he has something…


  234. 239 Voice of Raisins December 2, 2009 at 9:15 am

    According to Mr. O’B, Wags is already on a flight to ATL for his physical…


  235. 240 Voice of Raisins December 2, 2009 at 9:18 am

    Frank wastes no time. He identifies a target, and does what is necessary to accomplish his goal, and he does it without wavering or delay.

    Can he run for President? 😆


  236. 241 Salty December 2, 2009 at 11:07 am

    Can he run for President?

    Why? He has a good job! 😛

    Ber…FW didn’t read my mind…I was referencing that article. I’m not nearly so prophetic as I want to be.


  237. 242 Voice of Raisins December 2, 2009 at 11:09 am

    Excellent point, NaCly. He does have a good job.

    And as far as I know, none of the sports writers have ever thrown a shoe at anyone…


  238. 243 Voice of Raisins December 2, 2009 at 11:12 am

    Mr. O’B:

    The Braves might pursue another setup man in case they lose Soriano and Gonzalez. Among the candidates: Octavio Dotel, a Type A free agent who was not offered arbitration by the Chicago White Sox, and Fernando Rodney, a Type B free agent.

    Makes alot of sense. I can see it. Between Moylan, O’Fl and Gonzo, the 3 of them ate up alot of late innings. Might need another guy that can answer the bell often. Wags will get nothing but save opps.


  239. 244 Gil in Mechanicsville December 2, 2009 at 11:38 am

    See, baseball players have eyes too. They can see when a team is poised to take off vs one that is a sinking ship.

    Now, if the Braves can just get some good hitting to go with that wealth of pitching they have accumulated.

    I would bet that Gonzo and Ralfee would take less to stay too.

    Another team to watch out for next year is going to be the Giants….


  240. 245 berigan2electricboogaloo December 2, 2009 at 11:54 am

    Octavio Dotel is going to be 36, or is already. I was also thinking of Darren Oliver, since the Angels didn’t offer him arbitration. But, he’s 39!

    Did you all see the list of players that weren’t offered Arbitration??? Crazy! Some teams are really stoopid. Dodgers have become as cheap as the Marlins, overnight. Perhaps cheaper.

    Yankees outfielder Johnny Damon, Houston shortstop Miguel Tejada and Dodgers pitcher Randy Wolf were among the free agents who weren’t offered salary arbitration by Tuesday night’s deadline, moves that enable new teams to sign them without losing draft picks.

    Because all three were Type A players under the free-agent rankings, their former teams would have received two draft picks if they had been offered arbitration and then signed with different clubs.

    Other Type As who did not receive arbitration offers included Dodgers second baseman Orlando Hudson; San Francisco catcher Bengie Molina; White Sox outfielder Jermaine Dye and reliever Octavio Dotel; Detroit second baseman Placido Polanco; Angels pitcher Darren Oliver; Houston pitcher LaTroy Hawkins; Minnesota shortstop Orlando Cabrera; and Cubs pitcher Kevin Gregg

    In addition to Damon, the Yankees declined to offer arbitration to World Series MVP Hideki Matsui(notes) and pitcher Andy Pettitte(notes). The Angels turned down slugger Vladimir Guerrero(notes) and pitcher Kelvim Escobar(notes). Besides Wolf and Hudson, the Dodgers said no to pitcher Jon Garland(notes).

    Among others declined arbitration were Detroit pitcher Jarrod Washburn, Seattle lefty Erik Bedard Mets first baseman Carlos Delgado, Milwaukee center fielder Mike Cameron and Kansas City catcher Miguel Olivo.



  241. 246 Gil in Mechanicsville December 2, 2009 at 11:58 am

    Does anyone else think this looks more like a flying skunk?

    Just asking….



  242. 247 Gil in Mechanicsville December 2, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    Times are tough all over, just ask Tiger Woods….


  243. 248 berigan2electricboogaloo December 2, 2009 at 12:06 pm

    Gil, I think you are right, a skunk! Or this guy http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/mightymouse.jpg
    On a bad day…

    Gil, I shall not shed a tear over Tiger Woods problems. He is still a billionaire, and gets to play golf for a living.
    He’ll buy his wife the Hope Diamond, and all will be forgiven! 😉


  244. 249 Gil in Mechanicsville December 2, 2009 at 12:10 pm

    Yep, worked for Kobie…

    Actually, I think he will be a 1/2 billionaire pretty soon….


  245. 250 Voice of Raisins December 2, 2009 at 12:14 pm

    Does anyone else think this looks more like a flying skunk?

    Kinda like road kill… just needs little x’s in his eyes…


  246. 251 Voice of Raisins December 2, 2009 at 12:16 pm

    One thing is evident, Tiger drives a golf ball alot straighter than he drives a car…


  247. 252 Voice of Raisins December 2, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    Funny, too…

    He hit a fire hydrant and then a tree.

    Just like most guys on the golf course, he couldn’t decide whether to go with the iron or the wood… 😀


  248. 253 Carolina Lady December 2, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    Terrific reading above, guys! Kudos!

    Nice article by Rosenthal (says pretty much what y’all have been sayin’ – which just proves that y’all are a great ‘baseball mind’ and everybody else reads then writes their own articles!)

    Chip is preferable to Don, agreed. I still hear, “Hello, everybody! Skip Carey with Joe Simpson – – -”

    RIP, Skip. BravesNation misses you!


  249. 255 Voice of Raisins December 2, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    Rosey actually used the term “bopper”. He obviously does read the B&S… ;D


  250. 256 Voice of Raisins December 2, 2009 at 1:24 pm

    More Rosey:

    The Braves have always liked the Diamondbacks’ Conor Jackson. They need a right-handed hitter, and they need a first baseman after declining to offer salary arbitration to Adam LaRoche.

    The fit would be perfect, but a trade is unlikely.

    The D-backs only would move Jackson for a young starting pitcher, major-league sources say, and the Braves are not about to part with right-hander Jair Jurrjens or righty Tommy Hanson in such a deal.

    In fact, the Braves are not even among the teams to express recent interest in Jackson, and the clubs that have called are likely to end up discouraged.

    In a related story, the Braves are not likely to acquire Albert Pujols…


  251. 257 Voice of Raisins December 2, 2009 at 1:25 pm



  252. 258 Voice of Raisins December 2, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    Note from Mr. O’B:

    Wagner deal is done, physical has been passed, press conference at 2:30 p.m.



  253. 259 berigan2electricboogaloo December 2, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    That was quick! And another reason for the Mutts to hate us! :mrgreen:


  254. 260 Gil in Mechanicsville December 2, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    One last word about Woods… I think it is incredible how someone who’s livelihood depends on public image is going to be given privacy when those sharks who drive the gossip columns smell the blood in the water.

    Just goes to show you how people who have it all think they are immune to criticism. or to be base, to think their poop don’t smell… or something like that…

    Now baseball… Actually, I think the Wagner signing is a real positive occurrence for the Braves. It’s my opinion that closing is about 80% mental. Like being able to make a three foot putt to win a championship. Hitting free throws when the game is on the line. Having the ability to throw the ball past a hitter is a big plus too.

    I would not mind having Gonzo and/or Soriano back but that would just be icing on the cake.

    So, with so many unsigned free agents not offered arbitration, one would think there would be at least one reasonable opportunity for the Braves to sign a bopper…


  255. 261 Voice of Raisins December 2, 2009 at 3:16 pm


    The Braves are also looking to add a reliable setup man to their bullpen mix. The primary free agents they are pursuing to fill this role are Fernando Rodney, Takashi Saito and Octavio Dotel.


  256. 262 Carolina Lady December 2, 2009 at 3:18 pm

    Are the rest of y’all smiling or is it just me??

    2010 is beginning to sound real good! For several reasons!


  257. 263 Voice of Raisins December 2, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    So, with so many unsigned free agents not offered arbitration, one would think there would be at least one reasonable opportunity for the Braves to sign a bopper…

    Gil, I have a gut feeling, just a feeling, that Frank has something cooking that will surprise us all. His choice NOT to offer Rochey left me scratching my head a little, yet it indicates that he has a plan. I think he has something cooking.

    With absolutely nothing to base this on, I’ll go out on a limb and say I think he’ll make a trade that will bring back a young power hitter that involves Javy and a top prospect not named Heyward – Schafer if for an OF, FreFre if for a 1B.

    Of course, when they introduced Wagner, he held up a #13 Braves jersey. That’d be N8’s jersey #. Hmmm… could..? Nah.


  258. 264 Gil in Mechanicsville December 2, 2009 at 3:30 pm

    Uh oh…


  259. 265 Salty December 2, 2009 at 4:30 pm

    Just goes to show you how people who have it all think they are immune to criticism. or to be base, to think their poop don’t smell… or something like that…

    I’m going to disagree a bit, Gil. The difference between Tiger Woods, A-Rod, or anyone else is they’re in the spotlight and followed ‘intrusively’ everywhere they turn. They’re as human as the rest of us, warts, foibles, and all. Somehow, when they stumble, society tries to exact a measure unequal to what the rest of us ‘mere mortals’ would suffer.

    I’m not condoning his behavior in the least; however, he has every right to press forward with his privacy in resolving this issue as any other person. Face it…no one wants to know what’s up with him for his welfare…there’s a check hanging on what is uncovered. I hope he becomes rock solid silent on every occasion he’s asked about the subject. It’s amongst him, his wife, family…and those involved. Even his sponsors…if there’s a morality clause,enact it; otherwise, shut up.

    In short, I’m as disgusted with people who gloat over seeing people torn down in public. Terribly so…but that’s just li’l ol’ me!


  260. 266 Carolina Lady December 2, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    Salty, I agree with you on Woods. IT’S NONE OF OUR BUSINESS! Obviously, he’s guilty of something – but that’s between his wife and him. The voyeurism of today’s “journalism” is disgusting and beyond the pale. News these days primarily consists of a mixture of rumor-mongering and yellow-journalism.


  261. 267 Voice of Raisins December 2, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    I’m going to stir this pot a little more and say that while I agree that it isn’t really any of our business per se, it is part and parcel of being the superstar celebrity that he is.

    He stands in front of every Madison Avenue camera that he can and says, “Buy this car because I drive it” or “Buy this deoderant because I wear it” or “Use this golf ball because I do”. He makes a ton of coin off of an adoring public by selling his image. To me, the public then has a certain stake in that image.

    Several years ago, Charles Barkley thought by uttering the words, “I am not a role model”, that every kid in America with a #34 Phoenix Suns jersey would just look the other way. It doesn’t work that way.

    Part of stepping into the celebrity limelight is carrying your whole self into it, not just the good part. There is no buffet cache. It’s all or nuthin’, baby. When he chose to become an elite athlete and worldwide public figure, he carried the whole kit and kaboodle with him, warts and all.

    If he wants to hide those warts now, he better figure out a way to cover them up.

    Now… does the “media” smell blood in the water and go after every crumb with an over exuberant zeal? Absolutely. But Tiger sold out his “privacy” when he took the golden ring.


  262. 268 Salty December 2, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    I’m sorry…I still disagree. That’s simply succumbing to exactly what the media wants you to believe…justifies both their means and their ends.

    The fact sponsors want him to do a job for them should be just that…he’s a pitch man. It’s no different than when he plays golf…he’s doing a job. Those who support the spin of the media, people who live vicariously through the actions of their ‘heros’ help foment this crap. And truth be known, frankly, there are plenty of celebs who live just for the things outlined.

    No one…NO ONE should ever have to forsake their privacy simply for doing that which they enjoy. That’s patently unfair, in my view. I know I’m so far in the minority I can hear echoes!


  263. 269 Carolina Lady December 2, 2009 at 6:16 pm

    People want the people that admire/whatever to BE a shining example for all to follow. And that is ever doomed to failure. People are people.

    Yes, there are some who are so shallow as to make major purchases (cars, etc) based primarily on the pitchman instead of their own research (what research??), needs and ability to pay.

    Look at the SUV. With apologies beforehand to those here who have one or more, it was a massive advertising campaign that played on the desires in most people to have the biggest-baddest vehicle on the block/town/company/family/whatever. It was a campaign based on ego needs. And it worked. Especially when the gov’t gave hefty tax credits if you bought one. (Who thought THAT one up??)

    I don’t defend Woods for one second. But I have no more “right” to know his personal business than he or anybody else does mine.

    And those wide-eyed, breathless “reporters” disgust me no end with their “reporting.” (Don’t get me started!!!)

    Privacy. His profession and business deals, as long as they are legal, are his business. Anything else is between him, his family and God.

    A person who makes the decision to go into politics where my vote is involved automatically becomes my business. Don’t want me to know your business, don’t ask me to vote for you or represent me in anything, anywhere.

    From this chair, there’s a big difference in the two. IMHO. 🙂


  264. 270 Salty December 2, 2009 at 6:45 pm

    A person who makes the decision to go into politics where my vote is involved automatically becomes my business. Don’t want me to know your business, don’t ask me to vote for you or represent me in anything, anywhere.

    Close…but still can’t go there, either. Regardless the job…and we’re really voting candidates into, it’s still a job and ‘we the people’ express confidence they can do the job. Now…if you run on a platform of morality…you’re making a bed you may well find tough to sleep in. “Do as I say, not as I do” may work with parenting…not so good a mantra for an elected official to toss about.

    Look, I don’t want elected officials skirting laws. Chasing skirts…I frown on, but that’s a foible that can come with humanism. It’s like the military…don’t ask…don’t tell. A word of caution: don’t get caught, either! 😆

    Bottom line is if we want good elected officials, we must insist on it being the elements of the job we judge them by, while asking they display a proper ‘image’. However, how many quality candidates are out there simply not running because of the over-bearing intrusion upon their privacy. It’s one thing we’re born with the right to have…our job shouldn’t diminish it’s importance and sacred standing. JMHO, 2!!! :mrgreen:

    Don’t you love a good debate???


  265. 271 Carolina Lady December 2, 2009 at 7:02 pm

    I do love a good debate/discussion!

    On politics: I believe that my job is to know as much as I can about the person to whom I will give my precious vote. That person, IMHO!, then has the responsibility to handle himself/herself in a manner that is WORTHY of having received my vote – in public and in private.


  266. 272 Gil in Mechanicsville December 2, 2009 at 8:35 pm

    I am not saying I favor the barrage of questions and accusations and prying, just saying that when you put yourself on the public stage, you best be able to take the heat when things go awry. This is true with anybody in the public eye. This is not about fairness, it is about fact. After all, when it all come down to it, isn’t our reputation our legacy?

    I think a lot of us gave John Smoltz a pass when we heard of his transgressions. Hey, things happen in your life that cause you to have a change of heart.

    Just saying, Tiger is going to take a big hit for this one. It’s just the nature of the beast. Want to dally around? Fine, but make sure you are not in a commitment to someone else. To me it shows a character flaw. Much like the person who commits perjury, nothing they ever say can be relied upon as the truth.

    Now, as for someone’s “right” to privacy. I am afraid when you are in the public eye, the only way you can gain privacy is to vanish, become a recluse. That’s a problem for someone who relies upon their image for their livelihood.

    Bottom line, my mom always told me not to bring trouble upon yourself by doing stupid things, enough troubles will befall you from things you cannot control.


  267. 273 Gil in Mechanicsville December 2, 2009 at 8:42 pm

    And yes CL, honesty is a virtue sorely lacking in most politicians. As for their sexual orientations and appetite, it depends upon how they handle it. If you flaunt it, then I have a problem. Don’t say what goes on behind closed doors is private when you parade to the world what you do.

    I would not vote for a guy who I knew to be a thief or a liar. That does not mean I cannot work with them, I am just not going to let them hold my wallet or let them watch my children.


  268. 274 Gil in Mechanicsville December 2, 2009 at 8:56 pm

    So Salty, I can appreciate your view that the public does not have the right to see someone else’s dirty laundry, it is just a bit too late after you have already welcomed the world into your life.

    I think it is sad we are not allowed to have role models or heroes any longer. There are so many scum bags who don’t want to improve their behavior so they try to tear down everyone else. I always wanted to be like the Lone Ranger. From what I can gather, Clayton Moore was pretty true to the character he portrayed. Did I fall short of that goal, yes, but no one was asking for me to endorse their products either…


  269. 275 Gil in Mechanicsville December 2, 2009 at 9:00 pm

    Hummm, a little SGesk on that opine wouldn’t ya’ll say? 🙂

    Uh oh, the weather alert radio just sounded a tornado watch for the area. Later folks…


  270. 276 Carolina Lady December 2, 2009 at 9:09 pm

    Good thoughts, Gil. Yep, weather is pretty raunchy around here, too. Flood watches and warnings, tornado watches, winds forecast up to 50mph tonight. Good night to stay in with a great cup of hot coffee and a trusty computer! Wish I could get an icy cold Diet Coke but Chris’ saloon is still closed…


  271. 277 Carolina Lady December 2, 2009 at 10:49 pm

    Real life: Sgt Kim Munley has to undergo complete knee replacement surgery. They say the femoral artery has to be fully healed – and she’s thankful she “didn’t lose my leg.” There are still ‘bone fragments’ in that leg.



  272. 278 Carolina Lady December 2, 2009 at 11:15 pm

    This was done in the name of Comedy – but it takes INCREDIBLE skill and just plain guts to do what this guy did – although a few of those maneuvers looked something like my first checkride…..



  273. 279 flbravesgirl December 2, 2009 at 11:22 pm

    Very wicked weather here too. Had a 60 mph wind gust reported a little north of us.

    How great is it to see a guy who really wants to be a Brave? Not just “oh they offered the most $” but “no, I don’t want to wait for other offers, let’s get this done”. Welcome, Mr. Wagner!


  274. 280 Carolina Lady December 2, 2009 at 11:42 pm

    You are SO right, FBG!! He really WANTED to play for the Braves (Cox). I just can’t help but feel really good about his signing.


  275. 281 Voice of Raisins December 3, 2009 at 8:12 am

    Wags is supposed to be on local sporst radio station 680theFan at about 8:15am EST, or about 3 minutes from now.

    You can listen online here:


    If that fails, go to http://www.680thefan.com/


  276. 282 Voice of Raisins December 3, 2009 at 8:12 am

    Sporst? 😆


  277. 283 Voice of Raisins December 3, 2009 at 8:18 am

    Well… there is now delay…

    I’ll try to post when he will be on.


  278. 284 Voice of Raisins December 3, 2009 at 8:22 am

    Pittsburgh Post-Gazette:

    The Pirates are among a handful of teams interested in free-agent pitcher Kameron Loe, according to a source close to the talks.

    Others include the Dodgers, Braves and Athletics.

    Loe, 28, is a 6-foot-8 right-hander who spent last season in Japan after making 107 appearances — 47 starts — for the Rangers in 2004-08. His career numbers: 19-23, 4.77 ERA, 180 strikeouts, 123 walks. He currently is pitching in Mexico where, in three appearances and two starts, he has a 1.93 ERA over 9 1/3 innings.

    Uh… who?


  279. 286 Voice of Raisins December 3, 2009 at 8:25 am

    Kameron Loe –


    And in a related story,



  280. 287 Voice of Raisins December 3, 2009 at 8:37 am

    I gave up on the Wagner interview… I am not fan of the morning show on there, and am missing a large portion of Rick and Bubba. Now that is something I just cannot do…


  281. 288 Gil in Mechanicsville December 3, 2009 at 8:40 am

    Thanks for the link V…

    They are talking about Wagner now


  282. 289 berigan2electricboogaloo December 3, 2009 at 11:40 am

    I would not vote for a guy who I knew to be a thief or a liar

    So Gil, you haven’t voted since 1980 what??? :mrgreen:


  283. 290 Voice of Raisins December 3, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    Bill Zwecker, Chicago Sun-Times:

    Don’t look for [Tiger] Woods’ wife, Elin, to be moving out of the couple’s Windermere, FL., mansion anytime soon. The links legend’s spouse is reportedly being paid a hefty seven-figure amount — immediately transfered into an account she alone controls — to stick with her husband.

    On top of that, my source indicated Elin Nordegren Woods, the mother of Tiger’s two children, has demanded — and is getting — a total rewrite on the couple’s prenuptial agreement making the incentives for her to remain Mrs. Tiger Woods even more enticing.

    At this point, the couple needed to remain married for 10 years in order for Woods’ wife to collect a splitsville settlement of $20 million. I’m being told that time frame has been shortened — and the dollar amount increased “substantially.”

    Ah… true love… of the almighty dollar.

    Sickens me.


  284. 291 Voice of Raisins December 3, 2009 at 12:14 pm

    I have read the suggestion that his nickname be changed from Tiger to Cheetah. 😆


  285. 292 Gil in Mechanicsville December 3, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    Cheetah…. I like it….. 🙂

    Yes Ber, there have been times when I have had to hold my nose and close my eyes before pulling the lever….

    Pretty expensive being cheap, eh gang?


  286. 293 Gil in Mechanicsville December 3, 2009 at 1:54 pm

    I’ll bet it’s colder than a Norwegian glacier in the Wood’s household right now. Good thing it’s a big house….


  287. 294 Carolina Lady December 3, 2009 at 3:20 pm

    Paying the piper. Hope it was worth it. His marriage will never be the same. No dollar amount for that.


  288. 295 Voice of Raisins December 3, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    Doesn’t appear that it was much of a marriage to begin with. More of a contractual agreement. She just got her contract extended with a little more guaranteed money up front.

    When Kobe Bryant had his rape, er, I mean tryst, his wife sat by his side in support… with a brand new $4MM diamond ring on her finger. I remember thinking that she was not much more than a prostitute.

    Now, with Elin utilizing her new found leverage in her own contract negotiations, I think pretty much the same thing.

    They all deserve each other…


  289. 296 berigan2electricboogaloo December 3, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    Anyway, back to baseball…We now are going to count on two old f@rts to finish up games! 😉

    Braves Sign Takashi Saito
    By Mike Axisa [December 3 at 2:20pm CST]

    2:20pm: MLB.com’s Mark Bowman says the deal will be announced during a 4:30pm ET press conference at turner Field.

    1:16pm: Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com reports that free agent reliever Takashi Saito is close to signing a one year deal worth $3MM with the Braves.

    Saito, 40 in February, had a 2.43 ERA with 52 strikeouts in 55.2 innings with the Red Sox last season. He has a 2.05 ERA with a 10.9 K/9 in his four years in MLB. Atlanta was rumored to be looking for a setup man to complement new closer Billy Wagner, especially with Rafael Soriano and Mike Gonzalez likely headed for greener pastures.


  290. 297 Voice of Raisins December 3, 2009 at 3:57 pm

    Braves sign Takashi Saito. Bowman says the deal will be announced during a 4:30pm ET press conference at turner Field.

    Pen is complete. Wow, is it ever!

    Frank does NOT mess around.


  291. 298 Voice of Raisins December 3, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    Ber! You beat me to it!



  292. 299 berigan2electricboogaloo December 3, 2009 at 4:11 pm

    ha! And when I first say your 3:59 post, I thought you said you beat me to it! So looked above and was thinking, where is it??? 🙂


  293. 300 Voice of Raisins December 3, 2009 at 4:13 pm

    Man, is Frank taking care of business or what?

    He must have something else to do next week and is trying to get his “to do” list checked off so that he doesn’t even have to go to Indy.

    Maybe he has a thing against Indiana…


  294. 301 berigan2electricboogaloo December 3, 2009 at 4:15 pm

    when I first saw your post. And I meant looked above my post on Saito.


  295. 302 Gil in Mechanicsville December 3, 2009 at 4:23 pm

    Looks like KK will have someone to talk to as well.


  296. 303 Voice of Raisins December 3, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    About to watch the presser on mlb.com.

    Waitin’ for it to begin.


  297. 304 Voice of Raisins December 3, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    Still waiting. Apparently running behind. Frank is obviously not in charge of it. 😀


  298. 305 Gil in Mechanicsville December 3, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    So… Now that we are clearing out the Boston bullpen, do they return the favor and sign Gonzo?


  299. 306 Salty December 3, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    He must have something else to do next week and is trying to get his “to do” list checked off so that he doesn’t even have to go to Indy.

    He’s finishing up Hannukah shopping…it’s early this year!

    So… Now that we are clearing out the Boston bullpen, do they return the favor and sign Gonzo?

    And…return our draft picks! Do we get Papelbon, too?


  300. 307 Gil in Mechanicsville December 3, 2009 at 4:57 pm

    Hey… Works for me Salty.. 🙂


  301. 308 Salty December 3, 2009 at 5:24 pm

    You betcha! (Palin hasn’t trademarked that, has she? I don’t pay royalties!)


  302. 309 Gil in Mechanicsville December 3, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    Well, isn’t that the saying that got Pete Rose in trouble?


  303. 310 berigan2electricboogaloo December 3, 2009 at 7:02 pm

    Gil, :mrgreen:


  304. 311 Voice of Raisins December 3, 2009 at 7:32 pm

    Aw… Barbaro was DFA’d…


  305. 312 Voice of Raisins December 3, 2009 at 7:34 pm

    Well, with FreFre in Gwinnett, he really didn’t have a position anyway…


  306. 313 Voice of Raisins December 3, 2009 at 7:36 pm


    Bobby quote from the Saito presser: “Frank is working on something else right now that hopefully will help us score more runs this year.”

    Well, so much for operating in stealth mode… 😆


  307. 314 Gil in Mechanicsville December 3, 2009 at 11:51 pm

    I don’t think that it has been any secret that the Braves were/are looking for a bopper. Still, I think it gets done by the 12th or the Braves try to re-sign Adam…


  308. 315 Gil in Mechanicsville December 4, 2009 at 1:49 am

    And of course now we find that global warming data may well be the results of cooking the books… Well, why not, it’s been a favorite method of politicians and junkies for years….

    Too bad really, I have some friends in Buffalo NY who were looking forward to the milder winters there. And just think of all the money that would have been saved by various highway departments on chemicals for de-icing the roads….

    Of course, if you only watch CBS, NBC and ABC you have not heard about this yet…. After all, wouldn’t want to upset the POTUS…


  309. 316 Voice of Raisins December 4, 2009 at 8:11 am

    Al Gore is and idiot. And he’s making a veritable killing off of the naivety and sheep mentality of the dumb masses.

    I, for one, have NEVER bought into the scam.

    I am proud to say that, too.


  310. 317 Voice of Raisins December 4, 2009 at 8:30 am

    Thomas Harding, mlb.com:

    Veteran outfielder Jacque Jones believes he can still play. He’ll let teams see for themselves at next week’s Winter Meetings in Indianapolis.

    Jones, who will turn 35 on April 25, hit .277 with 165 home runs over 10 seasons (1999-2008), mostly with the Twins, but he did not play in the Majors last season after the Reds released him at the end of Spring Training.

    Damon Lapa of All Bases Covered Sports Management, which represents Jones, said team executives will be impressed with Jones’ physical conditioning and interest in continuing his career.

    “I think any team will be impressed to sit across from Jacque Jones and reach out and shake his hand,” Lapa said. “He looks as if he took his uniform off two weeks ago — probably the best that I’ve seen him look. He has a lot of baseball left in his body, and he’s looking for a team, hoping to make them look like geniuses.”

    Jones was with the Twins from 1991-2005, hitting .279 with 132 home runs and 476 RBIs while reaching the postseason four times. As a member of the Cubs in 2006 and ’07, he hit .285 with 32 homers and 147 RBIs. In 2008, Jones struggled — first with the Tigers, then with the Marlins — to a .147 batting average in 42 games.

    Jones has played all three outfield position as well as designated hitter, and he played some first base at Reds camp. Jones played 28 games last season with the Newark Bears of the independent Atlantic League and hit .311 with five home runs and 28 RBIs.

    Could his ’07 numbers have been chemically inflated?

    I am in now way advocating signing this guy, but he intrigues me. Kinda Andruw-like in his rapid plummet from stardom to steaming dung.


  311. 318 Voice of Raisins December 4, 2009 at 9:01 am

    Australian dives face-first into deadly jellyfish

    SYDNEY — A man dove face-first into an extremely venomous, peanut-sized jellyfish in waters off northeast Australia and medics flew him to a hospital intensive care unit to treat the potentially fatal sting, officials said Friday.

    I hate when that happens…


  312. 319 Carolina Lady December 4, 2009 at 10:05 am

    This Jones is no better than the last one when he left. Keep walking, Frank.


  313. 320 Carolina Lady December 4, 2009 at 10:09 am

    Salty having shoulder woes. Not OUR Salty, the Ranger’s Salty.


    How do you say ‘Braves’ in Japanese? Japanese with a Southern accent…


  314. 321 Voice of Raisins December 4, 2009 at 10:46 am

    Washington Post:

    Among the possible targets are pitchers whose contracts their teams are looking to shed, such as Atlanta’s Javier Vázquez (one year remaining at $11.5 million), or arbitration-eligible pitchers whose teams need payroll savings, such as Florida’s Ricky Nolasco or Detroit’s Edwin Jackson.

    Hmmm… maybe Javy for Adam Dunn and Josh Willingham.

    And a prospect.



  315. 322 Carolina Lady December 4, 2009 at 11:10 am

    The Braves are shopping JV around? Didn’t know that.


  316. 323 Voice of Raisins December 4, 2009 at 11:48 am

    CL, I don’t think they are “actively” shopping him, but they are most assuredly listening to offers. And all the GM’s know it.

    My guess is that Frank knows he won’t get a top tier hitter with DLowe, and there aren’t any real top tier hitters (aside from Bay and Holliday) on the FA market.

    As much as I like what JV did last season, his career pattern has consistently shown a good year followed by a bad year. Well, 2009 was not only good, it was great. It could be time to sell high.

    Secondly, DLowe’s pitching style does not necessitate a very demanding motion. Age is not likely to have caught up with him. His career pattern is much more consistent than that of JV, and I personally believe that he won’t have the same year he had last year in 2010. Plus, he and Roger both have stated that they spotted the flaw in his delivery that was causing him to “open up” and leave his pitches visible to the hitters. In other words, they knew what was coming.

    Not to mention that we don’t need him to slot any higher than a #4 starter, #3 at best. He’d be behind JJ, THanson and maybe Huddy.

    It’s very hard to sit here and predict whether JV will repeat 2009, or that DLowe will not, but the bettor’s money goes more toward their career patterns.

    There comes a time, though, when the best move is to sell high, even if it hurts. Especially if it’s the only way to get that difference maker that we know the offense needs. It could be the only way.

    One more thing to think about.

    Given that either way you’ll have a great starting staff, if you can get a real impact everyday guy for JV, but only a so-so everyday guy for DLowe, I think you get the guy that can impact 162 games, and give up the guy that impacts only 32 or 33 at best.


  317. 324 Voice of Raisins December 4, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    Not to mention that we don’t need him to slot any higher than a #4 starter, #3 at best. He’d be behind JJ, THanson and maybe Huddy.

    Commenting on my own comment. 😀

    If the Braves can give JJ consistent run support next season, he is a legit Cy Young candidate. In fact, JJ and THanson could be like the Cards’ Carpenter and Wainright. The difference is that the Cards had a decent #3 in Piniero and nothing else. I like our staff with JV or DLowe. It’ll still rock.


    Yep, that’d be KK in the 5 slot… KK who beat Josh Johnson and Roy Halladay and a list of top pitchers. The dude figured out the NL about halfway through ’09 and became a very good, gritty pitcher. He’s our #5. 😀


  318. 325 Carolina Lady December 4, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    Sound reasoning, Raisins. Yeah, sometimes saying good-bye hurts. I just hope we really get a top-notch hitter. Can’t wait to see what Wren pulls off. He’s done well so far.


  319. 326 Voice of Raisins December 4, 2009 at 1:54 pm

    Tweet from Heyman:

    nick johnson, slick-fielding 1b, drawing interest from giants, maybe braves and a half dozen more.


  320. 327 Voice of Raisins December 4, 2009 at 1:55 pm

    Good glove, high OBP guy, not alot of pop, though…

    OK if there’s another power source.

    Actually, if there were a real power source in the OF, Johnson would be a nice addition.


  321. 328 Carolina Lady December 4, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    Say maybe a power source at 3rd again? I’m just not sure we can really count on that though.

    *sigh* If this shoulder of mine was all healed up, I could help ’em out, but – ” 😆 😆 😆

    (I’d have to hit HRs ’cause I’d never safely make to 1st otherwise!)


  322. 330 Voice of Raisins December 4, 2009 at 4:02 pm

    From Bowman:

    Marlon Byrd’s agent, Seth Levinson, said earlier this week that the Braves have “strong interest” in his client.

    Of course, that is his agent’s perspective…


  323. 331 Voice of Raisins December 4, 2009 at 4:16 pm


    Tenn. mayor claims Obama blocked ‘Peanuts’ special

    ARLINGTON, Tenn. — The mayor of a suburban Memphis city accused President Barack Obama of deliberately timing his speech about the war in Afghanistan this week to block the airing of the “Peanuts” Christmas television special.

    According to The Commercial Appeal, Arlington Mayor Russell Wiseman posted the statements on his Facebook page and said the president is Muslim.

    “We sit the kids down to watch ‘The Charlie Brown Christmas Special’ and our muslim president is there, what a load…..try to convince me that wasn’t done on purpose,” he wrote, according to the newspaper.

    Wiseman downplayed the posting when contacted by the newspaper Thursday. He did not immediately return phone calls from The Associated Press on Friday.

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha


  324. 332 berigan2electricboogaloo December 4, 2009 at 8:10 pm

    Man, what’s that mayor been smokin??? 😉


  325. 333 berigan2electricboogaloo December 4, 2009 at 8:15 pm

    You know, I never have liked Bobby Valentine, and after reading this story, I see my instincts were right about him.



  326. 334 Salty December 4, 2009 at 8:28 pm

    If you do something, do it well. Valentine does ‘a jerk’ very well! Cocky, brash…abrasive, even when he’s trying to be a charmer…you can see right through artificiality. Yep…first hand experience…back in the Texas Rangers days…waaaay back.


  327. 336 flbravesgirl December 5, 2009 at 12:16 am

    The good: That’s an amazing story, CL.
    The bad: Valentine has always been a jerk, always will be.
    The ugly: I have caught Dad’s wicked cold & the cold rain we’re having doesn’t improve my spirits any. If y’all don’t see me for a few days I’m hibernating.


  328. 337 Carolina Lady December 5, 2009 at 11:59 am

    Feel better quick, FBG! It’s a damp, chilly day here, too. Tis the season, I guess. Hope you’re back real soon!


  329. 338 Gil in Mechanicsville December 5, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    Good afternoon gang and greetings from foggy and soggy Virginia Beach.. Jenn, get well soon, tis not the season to be down with a cold. So many sugar cookies, so little time.

    Now baseball, I’m not guite as high on Nick Johnson as I once was. To me he is a older version of Casey Kotchman. I just think the Braves could do better.


  330. 340 flbravesgirl December 5, 2009 at 11:20 pm

    That’s so cute! How’d they get the dogs to do all that?

    You’re right, Gil. I have to get better soon, got party orders next week.

    Happy Anniversary Braves & Stuff!


  331. 341 Gil in Mechanicsville December 6, 2009 at 5:34 am

    Great Clip CL…

    Wow, has it been two years already?

    Time is fun when you’re having flies….


  332. 342 berigan2electricboogaloo December 6, 2009 at 11:41 am

    FLB, hope you feel better soon. Colds truly suck, in case you didn’t know that. 😕

    Gil, I had a girl friend that used to say, Times fun when you are having flies. She also loved baseball, the same movies I did that few others liked(like the Money Pit)….Hmmm, why didn’t I make more of an effort on that relationship?? Oh thats right, she had a very close female friend. They both lived together since college, traveled together… double 😕


  333. 343 berigan2electricboogaloo December 6, 2009 at 12:21 pm

    Did Scoop Raisins miss this?? 😉

    Rafael Soriano May Accept Arbitration
    By Zach Links [December 5 at 5:30pm CST]

    After it was reported earlier this week that Braves reliever Rafael Soriano would look for employment elsewhere, his agent tells Jerry Crasnick of ESPN.com that his client is giving serious consideration to accepting arbitration.

    This would leave Atlanta with a rather pricey bullpen as they recently inked both Billy Wagner and Takashi Saito to a combined guaranteed $10.2MM in 2010. Earlier this week, a high-ranking executive told Buster Olney that Soriano could net roughly $8MM in arbitration. Furthermore, this would likely mean that the soon-to-be 30-year-old would have to accept a role as a set-up man rather than close for Atlanta.

    Soriano’s agent Peter Greenberg told Crasnick that Soriano would take the decision “down to the wire.” One has to think that the Braves will be less than pleased if the Type A free agent chooses to accept arbitration at this stage. Did Atlanta jump the gun by signing Wagner and Saito? Let’s hear your thoughts in the comments section.



  334. 344 Gil in Mechanicsville December 6, 2009 at 5:25 pm

    Aha, shades of Greg Maddux. Folks underestimate how much players like Bobby Cox. May also mean he thinks it might be his best chance to win a WS ring. Besides, how much money does one really need to live well in the Dominican Republic?


  335. 345 Gil in Mechanicsville December 6, 2009 at 5:28 pm

    And Ber, I ran into a similar situation in my younger years whilst dating a leprechaun.. 🙂 Take the meaning of a platonic relationship to a whole new level.


  336. 346 Gil in Mechanicsville December 6, 2009 at 10:44 pm

    With all the poop that Tiger has brought upon himself, I cannot help but believe that Fuzzy Zoeller is somewhere having a good laugh right now….


  337. 347 Voice of Raisins December 7, 2009 at 8:06 am

    Yep… all big celebrities go through highs and lows.

    Tiger has always been a little different, though.

    He has gone through ho’s and lies. 😀


  338. 348 Voice of Raisins December 7, 2009 at 8:10 am

    Now to baseball.

    It’s the first day of the vaunted 2009 MLB Winter Meetings.

    Let the wheeling and dealing begin!!!


  339. 349 Voice of Raisins December 7, 2009 at 8:17 am

    … and for the record.

    I do not believe for a second that Soriano will take arb and stay in ATL. It really doesn’t make sense for him to do so.

    First, it would be for only one year, and he’d re-enter next year’s FA market again. The only reason to do that is to try to jack your value higher and enter as a higher rated closer. That won’t happen because he won’t be a closer here, and he’s already the #1 or 2 rated closer left, depending on the source.

    Second, why would you take a little more guaranteed for only one year, when you can get alot more in total over 2 or 3?

    This is pure gamesmanship by his agent in an effort to knock his asking price up a notch. His agent says, “Why wouldn’t I take $8MM per year?” when most speculation says he’ll get around $6MM per over 2 or 3. He wants the 2 or 3 at $8MM. I don’t blame him. But he still knows that Sori is at his best bargaining position right now.

    He won’t be back.

    No chance.

    OK, maybe a little one… 😀

    (BTW – the deadline is 11:59pm tonight… )


  340. 350 Carolina Lady December 7, 2009 at 11:56 am

    Raisins, your 8:06 is absolutely hilarious! 😆 😆 😆


  341. 351 Voice of Raisins December 7, 2009 at 12:47 pm

    Much Soriano drama playing out in various locations as to whether he accepts arbi or not, the ramifications, trade possibilities, etc…

    I see no real reason to get sucked into the drama given that he has less than 12 hours left to accept or decline.

    I’ll wait ’til tomorrow to. It may be a complete non-factor.


  342. 352 Voice of Raisins December 7, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    I’ll wait ’til tomorrow to to speak on it… is what I meant to say. Kinda left some out, there…


  343. 353 Carolina Lady December 7, 2009 at 2:55 pm

    I’m a sucker for a good story and haven’t checked this through Snopes (who cares with this one!?) but the message in it is just beautiful!

    “Just up the road from my home is a field, with two horses in it.

    From a distance, each horse looks like any other horse. But if you stop your car, or are walking by, you will notice something quite amazing….

    Looking into the eyes of one horse will disclose that he is blind. His owner has chosen not to have him put down, but has made a good home for him.

    This alone is amazing.

    If you stand nearby and listen, you will hear the sound of a bell. Looking around for the source of the sound, you will see that it comes from the smaller horse in the field. Attached to the horse’s halter is a small bell. It lets the blind friend know where the other horse is, so he can follow.

    As you stand and watch these two friends, you’ll see that the horse with the bell is always checking on the blind horse, and that the blind horse will listen for the bell and then slowly walk to where the other horse is, trusting that he will not be led astray.

    When the horse with the bell returns to the shelter of the barn each evening, it stops occasionally and looks back, making sure that the blind friend isn’t too far behind to hear the bell.

    Like the owners of these two horses, God does not throw us away just because we are not perfect or because we have problems or challenges.

    He watches over us and even brings others into our lives to help us when we are in need.

    Sometimes we are the blind horse being guided by the little ringing bell of those who God places in our lives.

    Other times we are the guide horse, helping others to find their way….

    Good friends are like that… you may not always see them, but you know they are always there.

    Please listen for my bell and I’ll listen for yours.”


  344. 354 Voice of Raisins December 7, 2009 at 3:28 pm



  345. 356 Voice of Raisins December 7, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    MLBTR’s Tim Dierkes:

    >Bill Shanks quoting Braves manager Bobby Cox: “clubs are knocking on the door for Kelly Johnson.” I imagine Johnson will be dealt by Saturday.

    >Yahoo’s Steve Henson says the Braves want to move Derek Lowe or Javier Vazquez, but not Kenshin Kawakami.

    >The Mets have intensified their pursuit for left fielders Josh Willingham and Juan Rivera, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post. ESPN’s Buster Olney notes that while the Mets have made inquiries on corner outfield trade targets, they are not close to a deal.


  346. 357 Voice of Raisins December 7, 2009 at 4:03 pm

    Bobby will be in 680theFan at 4:30pm.

    You can hear the live stream by clicking here:


    or if that fails, go here:



  347. 358 Carolina Lady December 7, 2009 at 4:13 pm

    from O’Brien’s column:
    “On old guys as closers, Wren said: “That role’s a little different. You see what Trevor Hoffman is doing. Obviously he’s a different type of guy [than Wagner], but those guys can pitch later in their caree. The one inning at a time, and Bobby takes care of him… We don’t have any doubts that he can still be a top-notch closer.” ”

    Think maybe there’s been a ‘prayer meeting’ of sorts??


  348. 359 berigan2electricboogaloo December 7, 2009 at 4:23 pm

    Bobby seems pretty good with 9th inning guys of late, but a 40 year old set up guy worries me a bit. My hope is that we will have at least one more arm Bobby feels comfortable with, and therefore Moylan’s arm will stay attached to his body! 😕


  349. 360 berigan2electricboogaloo December 7, 2009 at 4:25 pm

    Ok, that super special glow in the dark Tiger Woods bobblehead doll will be sent out to use guys soon, but I have been selling a lot of dvds that I have found at Big lots of late. Very rare for that to happen, and I am shipping out a crazy amount of stuff the last week or so. Of course, if I had had a certain address 2 weeks ago, I would have mailed everything out then! 😉


  350. 361 Carolina Lady December 7, 2009 at 4:46 pm

    Interesting interview, V. Thanks for the link!

    To the question – what if Soriano and Gonzo DO accept arb? Bobby: “Well, then they would be our guys… pause for a beat …and we would have one of the best bullpens in baseball history.” 😆


  351. 362 Voice of Raisins December 7, 2009 at 5:10 pm

    Regarding Bobby “taking care” of his ‘pen guys…

    Yeah, he road some of his horses hard last year, but I think you almost have to do that these days. Think back, though, on how Smoltzie was handled as closer. I would imagine that Wags will be handled in the same manner.

    Moylan, though…

    I hope our Aussie friend is staying in some really good shape… 😯


  352. 363 Gil in Mechanicsville December 7, 2009 at 5:43 pm

    Sigh…. I hate it when the feel good medicine wears off too quickly. Makes for a real testy evening around these parts.


  353. 364 Carolina Lady December 7, 2009 at 7:19 pm

    You talking about you or Miss Josie?? 🙂


  354. 365 Carolina Lady December 7, 2009 at 7:35 pm

    “Chamber of Commerce CEO Tom Donohue is a wanted man — at least according to the liberal activist group that’s put a de facto bounty on his head.

    A network of liberal groups known as Velvet Revolution started an ad campaign offering $200,000 for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the man whose trade organization has become a thorn in the side of the Obama administration and congressional Democrats.

    The group is not leveling any specific charges of criminal behavior. Rather, it is casting a wide net, fishing for any whistleblowers from Donohue’s past who might come forward with allegations of wrongdoing. The campaign against the Chamber was launched in response to the group’s opposition to climate change legislation and health care reform, and its plan to spend $100 million lobbying against these and other initiatives.

    “On every issue, the Chamber is kind of the lead corporate advocate for the status quo,” said Kevin Zeese, a lawyer who sits on the board for Velvet Revolution, calling Donohue a “knee-jerk reactionary” and the Chamber a “right-wing extremist group.”

    Really?? The CoC is an extremist group?? Wonder how many bounties CoC has issued?



  355. 366 Salty December 7, 2009 at 8:56 pm






  356. 368 berigan2electricboogaloo December 8, 2009 at 4:32 am

    CL, that’s simply amazing about the COC!
    Salty, 😉

    And baseball tonight is back on, at least for the meetings. 5 PM.

    Gammons had some interesting info, mainly about other teams. Forget most of it,( I am after all 40…something) but said Uggla will get traded, most likely to the Giants. Won’t miss him not hitting against us in 18 games!
    Dodgers sound like the west coast version of the Marlins, budget wise. Bet Torre will be looking for a new home come 2010. Hmmm….


  357. 369 berigan2electricboogaloo December 8, 2009 at 4:58 am

    Man, just found this out….Soriano may keep us from getting a bopper now. Shouldn’t have gotten Wagner, at least before knowing what’s what.

    Rafael Soriano Accepts Arbitration
    By Ben Nicholson-Smith [December 7 at 10:44pm CST]

    Rafael Soriano accepted arbitration, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. The Braves, who recently signed Billy Wagner and Takashi Saito, will have lots of relatively expensive relievers under contract now. Imagine if Mike Gonzalez accepts, too.

    As ESPN.com’s Jerry Crasnick points out, the Braves need Soriano’s permission to trade him before June 15th. Apparently Soriano prefers the security of a one-year deal to the uncertainty of a market that would have been dulled by his Type A status.



  358. 370 Gil in Mechanicsville December 8, 2009 at 6:37 am

    Like I said, shades of Greg Maddux… Pretty good bullpen though. I’ll bet the Braves need that arm before it’s all over with. They sure did last year.

    Still, looks like the Braves have some wiggle room. Not a lot but some. If I were Derek Lowe, I would try to get out of my long term lease in Atlanta…. I see a trade looming on the horizon.


  359. 371 Voice of Raisins December 8, 2009 at 8:38 am


    Braves general manager Frank Wren said nearly eight hours before the announcement that even if either pitcher accepted arbitration, it wouldn’t hinder the team’s ongoing roster moves and pursuit of offense. That statement will be tested in coming weeks.

    “We feel protected either way,” Wren said Monday afternoon, and listed two possible results of arbitration decisions by Soriano and/or Gonzalez: “A., they don’t accept [arbitration]. B., they accept and at some point we trade them.

    “It’s not a big deal either way.”

    “I would anticipate that if they take arbitration, they’re not necessarily going to be happy with the roles they have when they come back,” Wren said before the decisions were announced. “Because they’re not going to be the same as when they left. And once the market develops for relievers, they’ll be asking us to try to [trade] them.”

    If a free agent accepts arbitration, a team needs consent to trade him before June 15, but the Braves believe Soriano might give that consent once he’s told his role and once the trade market for relievers starts to heat up and the Braves can find a potential trade partner.

    The deep-pocketed New York Yankees were among teams reportedly interested in Soriano, and Greenberg met Monday with the Houston Astros officials. The Boston Red Sox were also interested. But apparently, none made multi-year offers that were more attractive than the projected salary Soriano could expect through arbitration.

    “We wouldn’t worry about that holding us back,” he said. “We’re going to put our club together. That’s the thing about having good players — when you have good players, you can trade them.”


  360. 372 Voice of Raisins December 8, 2009 at 8:54 am

    I am going to go as far as to say that this might be a blessing in disguise. Let me expound:

    First, we now have an in demand closer, bound to the team for a 1 year period. He has already generated interest, but not for terms he was asking. He no longer has the “asking” ability. I’ll bet that the teams they were talking to were not willing to go 2-3 years based on his history. Now they only have to go 1 year. That’s a win for the interested teams.

    Second, Wren maintains that Soriano will give his blessing to a trade when he realizes that he no longer has the closer role here. (That is the spot that gives him leverage in seeking a FA contract next year. How many high $$$ deals go to set-up men?) But even if he doesn’t, he can be traded without his consent after June 1. The Braves may very well have a much needed commodity in the fold as they near the 2010 trade deadline to use to fill a need. If the Braves need one more piece, they’ll have a proven closer to use to obtain that piece.

    Wren has publicly stated that this sill not affect their plans this offseason. He told Mr. O’B yesterday that the payroll thing wouldn’t be a short-term detriment, when I asked him if the Braves would have to account for the $7-8 mill salary Soriano might get, whether they’d have to move someone else or not sign someone else until they got rid of Soriano, etc. They have flexibility to operate with payroll above targeted amount short-term, in other words.

    If this is true, if they can deal with it until July, they’ll have a heckuva trade piece to use at the deadline.


  361. 373 Carolina Lady December 8, 2009 at 10:33 am

    Wow. That’s an interesting situation, V! Wren has already told him he isn’t going to be happy with his role – so the “volatile” pitcher won’t be. (His nickname is The Scowl.) INTERESTING!

    Apparently Wren got really ticked off with last year’s negotiations debacle and is determined that it will be different this year. I’m very glad to see it. The man is on a mission, personal and professional.

    Most years, I kinda watch the off-season with a shrug, but this year has really caught my interest!

    Many thanks for the info, V!


  362. 374 Voice of Raisins December 8, 2009 at 10:48 am

    How’s this for a conspiracy theory:

    Suppose Sori found a team, we’ll call them Team X, that was interested in signing him, but was waffling on signing a Type A FA because they didn’t want to give up the 1st round draft pick. Suppose, though, they worked through a contract framework, and were really close on terms. Suppose Team X’s only hangup was the 1st round pick, but it was a deal breaker.

    Heck, all Sori has to do is accept arbi, and force a trade. He has to approve all trades before June 15, so he can say NO to every team except Team X. Then Team X, knowing Frank really has to move Sori, can offer up some surplus piece, and gets it’s targeted player without surrendering the pick. Oh, they can then “come to terms” before the arbitration hearing.

    Far fetched?


  363. 377 Carolina Lady December 8, 2009 at 11:02 am

    V, you’re in the wrong business!


  364. 378 Voice of Raisins December 8, 2009 at 12:16 pm

    Not my theory, CL. JC Bradbury of sabernomics.com

    I see alot of merit to his theory.

    Maybe not so much that there is even a specific team (my own thought), but it certainly does get him around the draft pick thing…


  365. 379 berigan2electricboogaloo December 8, 2009 at 12:16 pm

    V, Verrrrry interesting!


  366. 380 Voice of Raisins December 8, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    Regardless, I truly do not see this as any sort of “catastrophe” at all. Frank already was dealing from a position of strength with his surplus of starters. Now he has an extra closer as well.

    You know, Derek alone, or even Javy alone, might not get you a stud hitter.

    But, a starter AND a closer?


    And why would Sori turn down a trade? It won’t affect his arb outcome or his 2010 paycheck. It’ll only affect his bullpen role, which will not be glamorous in Atlanta. Frank will see to that.


  367. 381 Voice of Raisins December 8, 2009 at 12:33 pm

    And if I were a team interested in Sori as my closer, his arb status wouldn’t scare me off. In fact, I’d trade for him early, knowing I have all winter to negotiate a contract before the arb hearings. It’s easier than negotiating a FA contract knowing you have exclusivity.

    And if I do get stuck with an arbitrator determined amount, it’s only for 1 year.


  368. 382 Carolina Lady December 8, 2009 at 1:04 pm

    Frank has to be grinnin’.


  369. 383 Voice of Raisins December 8, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    The prevailing thought, including those who cover the Braves, is that this is not a desirable position for the Braves to be in.

    I’m not so sure I agree, and I certainly do not claim to have any better sense of it than those close to the team.

    I just do not see having a “spare closer” as being a bad thing. Not when you are working the trade market aggressively.


  370. 384 berigan2electricboogaloo December 8, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    Braves Designate Ryan Church For Assignment
    By Tim Dierkes [December 8 at 12:39pm CST]

    The Braves designated outfielder Ryan Church for assignment, tweets Bill Shanks. The move was done to make room for Rafael Soriano, who accepted arbitration last night. Church had been considered a non-tender candidate anyway after hitting .273/.338/.384 in 399 plate appearances for the Braves and Mets in 2009.


  371. 385 Voice of Raisins December 8, 2009 at 1:55 pm

    Not too surprising…

    It certainly indicates that a KJ trade is gonna happen, though, doesn’t it?

    It also indicates that a rook, Gregor Blanco or Matt Young, will be the 4th outfielder…

    … or Matt Diaz…


  372. 386 Voice of Raisins December 8, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    Blockbuster 3-way deal involving NYY, DET and ARI done pending physicals.

    Yanks get Curtis Granderson, Tigers get Max Scherzer, Daniel Schlereth, Austin Jackson, and Phil Coke, D’backs get Edwin Jackson and Ian Kennedy.

    Yanks needed Granderson, eh? 🙄


  373. 387 Gil in Mechanicsville December 8, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    If I were the Nationals, I would sign Church. He is not that expensive and it would give them some trade flexibility when it comes to trading one of their boppers… Yep. Kastens has got to be wondering how Atlanta ended up with 6 starters and 3 1/2 closers when they don’t have any…. Well, one starter who would be a number 5 in Atlanta and a high priced 1st round draft pick with a sore shoulder…


  374. 388 berigan2electricboogaloo December 8, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    V, I am PO’ed at the Tigers. Ownership actually. the Pizza guy allowed Mags to reach that magic number to kick in so he will get paid what, 12 mil or more 2010???

    Now they have gotten rid of a GREAT guy, Granderson. Just 28. ANd Edwin Jackson, a young starter. Makes no sense. Pizza biz off that much????

    The strange cost cutting going on at many teams tells me we are not going to be able to trade Lowe unless we eat most of his contract. And there are tons of relievers out there, why would any team short of the Red Sox or Yankees pay 8 mil for Soriano???? Might be able to get rid of him after the all star break, when it will only cost a team 4 mil.


  375. 389 Voice of Raisins December 8, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    Rumor has the Angels interested on Lowe AND Sori.

    I hope that one gets legs…


  376. 390 berigan2electricboogaloo December 8, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    of course, I could be wrong! 😉


  377. 391 Voice of Raisins December 8, 2009 at 2:56 pm


    …the Braves remain confident that they’ll be able to deal Lowe, and part of their reasoning is based on the fact that his history provides reason to argue he could be every bit as attractive as Lackey, who stands as this year’s top free-agent starting pitcher.

    Some clubs have provided indication that they share this opinion. One American League scout told a Braves scout Sunday night that because of the small dimensions at his club’s ballpark, they have interest in Lowe, who induced the third-most ground balls (389) in the National League this past season.

    Without providing specifics, the Braves contend that multiple clubs have continued to show interest in the possibility of dealing for Lowe.


  378. 392 Voice of Raisins December 8, 2009 at 4:15 pm

    Good grief:

    Omar Minaya is and idiot. He’s trying to trade John Maine for Corey Hart? I hope he does pull that one off. Hart and Francoeur in the same outfield and in the same lineup… 😆

    Man, that’s a recipe for frustration and depression!


  379. 393 Voice of Raisins December 8, 2009 at 7:52 pm

    David O’Brien:

    Not only will Rafael Soriano be traded long before opening day, he might be traded by Christmas. Wren had conversations with several clubs today, and Soriano’s agent called him just after midnight Monday to let him know which teams had been talking to him about Soriano, to help facilitate the trade process.

    This isn’t an adversarial thing, apparently. Agent and Wren spoke last night, Peter Greenberg (the agent) explained why they accepted arb, how the draft-pick compensation was holding some teams back with offers to Soriano, etc.



  380. 394 berigan2electricboogaloo December 8, 2009 at 8:05 pm

    Rafael Soriano Gives Trade Clearance
    By Tim Dierkes [December 8 at 6:31pm CST]

    6:31pm: Michael Silverman of the Boston Herald says the Red Sox are unlikely to be suitors for Soriano. Meanwhile, David O’Brien of the Atlanta Journal Constitution says the Yankees, Astros and Orioles have interest in Soriano. Braves GM Frank Wren confirmed to O’Brien that at least one team has interest in both Soriano and Derek Lowe.

    4:09pm: Reliever Rafael Soriano has already given Braves GM Frank Wren trade clearance, tweets MLB.com’s Mark Bowman. Wren said he’s already had discussions with multiple teams. Soriano accepted the Braves’ offer of arbitration last night, perhaps in an effort to skirt draft pick compensation.

    The Orioles, Astros, and Red Sox appear to be potential suitors for Soriano, based on previous reports. Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweeted earlier today that the Yankees are not interested in trading for him.



  381. 395 berigan2electricboogaloo December 8, 2009 at 8:06 pm

    I see I am a day late, and a dollar (or two) short! 😛


  382. 396 Voice of Raisins December 8, 2009 at 8:08 pm


    Reliever Rafael Soriano has already given Braves GM Frank Wren trade clearance, tweets MLB.com’s Mark Bowman. Wren said he’s already had discussions with multiple teams. Soriano accepted the Braves’ offer of arbitration last night, perhaps in an effort to skirt draft pick compensation.

    David O’Brien of the Atlanta Journal Constitution says the Yankees, Astros and Orioles have interest in Soriano. Braves GM Frank Wren confirmed to O’Brien that at least one team has interest in both Soriano and Derek Lowe.

    I hate to say I told ya so, but…


  383. 397 Carolina Lady December 8, 2009 at 8:21 pm

    Friends, I may not be in touch very much for a few days or so. Had to put mother into the hospital today and Hospice will (as far as I know now) assume her care if she is discharged.

    85 years old, 81 of those loving her Lord Jesus. She’s just plain worn out and for the first time her heart is extremely erratic along with a long ‘laundry list’ of other difficulties.

    Prayers always deeply appreciated for strength and guidance. There are times when having Medical Power of Attorney just stinks!


  384. 398 flbravesgirl December 8, 2009 at 10:43 pm

    It’s better than not having anyone to make decisions when she’s unable to, CL. I’ve been there with my grandparents. Be strong, my dear & know that we all love you & are thinking about you. (((hugs)))


  385. 399 Voice of Raisins December 8, 2009 at 10:53 pm

    You got it, CL…


  386. 400 Voice of Raisins December 8, 2009 at 10:54 pm


    Ross Gload, bench player extraordinaire, choosing between Phillies, Braves, Marlins. Will get 2-year deal.


  387. 401 Voice of Raisins December 8, 2009 at 11:07 pm

    Wonder what we’ll wake up to tomorrow?



  388. 402 berigan2electricboogaloo December 8, 2009 at 11:54 pm

    CL, so sorry about this! Will say a prayer for you and your Mom.


  389. 403 Gil in Mechanicsville December 9, 2009 at 2:24 am

    I’ll keep the lights on for you CL. Prayers for both you and your mother.


  390. 404 Voice of Raisins December 9, 2009 at 8:52 am

    Well, we’ve surpassed 400 responses on this here edition of the B&S, and things are getting a little creaky.

    Obviously, CL is a bit tied up for a while.

    Anybody got anything to send to Gil as a new lead? I have a feeling that the ol’ hot stove is really gonna heat up today and tomorrow, and there could well be a flurry of activity here.

    Just sayin’…


  391. 405 Voice of Raisins December 9, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    Keith Law:

    There’s a strong market for Soriano, since at one year and even $8 million he’s seen as a good value relative to multi-year deals for other closers. I expect Atlanta to move quickly to relocate him and his contract.

    Yep… me too.


  392. 406 Voice of Raisins December 9, 2009 at 12:45 pm

    Mr. O’B on Sori:

    ‘Stros, O’s or Halos – right now it looks like one of those three.


  393. 407 Voice of Raisins December 9, 2009 at 12:48 pm


    Yahoo’s Tim Brown tweets that the Brewers will agree with Wolf today on a three-year deal worth just under $30MM. Ken Rosenthal says an agreement has been reached. ESPN’s Buster Olney agrees with Haudricourt’s figure: $27MM.

    This bode’s well for Lowe. I mean, come on… $9-10MM for Wolf? Please…

    Don’t expect the Braves to take much back on Lowe based on that figure.


  394. 408 Gil in Mechanicsville December 9, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    A question posed across the street… A real big bat or a pretty good bat… My opinion is that with the crack down on PEDs, a really good bat is going to be rarer than a number one starter… What you are going to find is a bunch of pretty good bats who can hit for high average but don’t expect too many guys to put up Ruthian like numbers any more.


  395. 409 Voice of Raisins December 9, 2009 at 2:01 pm

    Nope, no more 50 HR hitters. 40 will be scarce like it was in the 70’s. Only a rare few – Pujols, Howard, Fielder – will approach those numbers.

    Of course, now that MLB has taken away the PED’s, they have shrunk the parks. I think that’s a key reason Gload signed with Philly. Can you imagine the totals Fielder or Pujols would rack up in that compact park?

    That said, the choice really comes down to who is available. You can’t get a real big bat if there ain’t a real big bat to get.

    There ain’t a real big bat to get.


  396. 410 Voice of Raisins December 9, 2009 at 2:36 pm

    More from Mr. O’B, who is staying pretty tightly on top of things:

    Soriano will be traded before we leave here tomorrow, I’m fairly sure. So yes, it could be today. Braves are motivated to get that done, get that part out of the way before they go home.


  397. 411 Gil in Mechanicsville December 9, 2009 at 8:19 pm

    Soriano to the Rays… Not sure who is coming back.


  398. 412 Voice of Raisins December 9, 2009 at 11:07 pm

    They’re balking on paying $7MM+ in salary…

    It looks like they’re trying to negotiate a little salary relief. Mr. O’B speculates that they may be negotiating the type player returned based on the amount of $$$ thrown in. More $$$, more player. Less $$$, lesser player.

    Kinda like investing, just different.


  399. 413 Gil in Mechanicsville December 10, 2009 at 3:35 am

    Everybody is looking for a bargain these days. Like I said though, how much money does it really take to live like a king in the Dominican?


  400. 414 berigan2electricboogaloo December 10, 2009 at 4:36 am

    I had hoped the Braves were past thinking they were special and never ever had to eat any salary. Jesse Chavez is who we are getting. Who??? Not exactly the equivalent of a 1st round pick. Oh well…

    If they don’t eat some moola there, eat some with Lowe. If the Angels re-sign Lackey, who’s in the market for an old pitcher with a big contract, who had a 4.67 ERA in 2009???


  401. 415 Gil in Mechanicsville December 10, 2009 at 8:16 am

    I don’t know Ber, getting a pitcher who has major league experience is not bad compensation when you figure in the fact they will not have to pay first round bonus money. I think Chavez has a decent upside. He may be just as good as Mike Minor, the Braves first round pick last year.

    I think teams are just waiting the Braves out. That plus getting a feel for the value of Derek Lowe. I think he will go to whichever team does not get Hallady or Lacky.


  402. 416 Voice of Raisins December 10, 2009 at 8:16 am

    Well, here’s the thing. If you offer arb, you are throwing the dice in an effort to get a return on your exiting player. The bottom line, though, is that you are allowing him to leave, for whatever reason.

    In the Braves case, they were allowing him to leave because they do not want to pay him what he’ll command either through arb or extension.

    So at this point, you have to decide whether to let him walk clean (ala LaRoche), or try to get something back (ala Gonzo).

    The Braves wanted something over nothing, which in the end, is what they got.

    Let’s see who this kid is…


  403. 417 Voice of Raisins December 10, 2009 at 8:23 am

    OK… the “kid” appeared in 73 games for PIT last season, earning 15 “holds”. He has 2 seasons of ML experience, if you count 15 appearances in ’08, and is at worst another arm to compete for a spot with Proctor, Parr, etc.

    He could be a good guy to toss the 7th on nights when Moylan needs a rest.

    Doesn’t look like a throw away, but nothing to get excited about either.

    But a serviceable arm, and 100% salary relief from Sori.

    Works for me…


  404. 418 Voice of Raisins December 10, 2009 at 9:00 am

    You know…

    My first impression of him is that he is alot like our old buddy Rudy Seanez. Rudy was nothing exciting, but he sure did use that rubber arm of his to carve out a pretty decent ML career as pretty much nothing more than a middle reliever.

    I understand he is trying to hook up with a team in 2010, too. I bet he will.

    The more I mull over it, I agree with Gil in that I think they did OK to get another arm to compete in the pen.

    Long = Medlen (R)
    Middle = Logan (L)
    Middle = Chavez (R) or Proctor, after full rehab (R)
    7th = O’Fla (L)
    7th = Petey (R)
    8th = Sammy Saito
    Closer = Wagsey

    And the best part is, no Acosta. I sense Manny’s presence in the organization is drawing to a close… thank goodness…


  405. 419 Voice of Raisins December 10, 2009 at 9:09 am

    The Rule 5 draft should be commencing at any time, and everybody clears out immediately after, so there should be no more huddling and muddling.

    But, I think the Braves did at least better define there direction, and have gotten a true sense of the market for their pitchers.

    Gil, again I’ll agree with you that Lowe may be 3rd on the pitching pecking order behind Halladay and Lackey, although he shouldn’t really be too far behind Lackey. All things being considered, Lackey’s age is the only thing I see that puts him over Lowe.

    Do you realize that in what was one of DLowe’s worst seasons, he still won 15 games? The guy can battle, and I think he is a great mentor for younger pitchers. Any team with a talented young staff could truly use a veteran guy like DLowe.

    He’ll go somewhere. I see him going to either LAA or NYY unless those 2 scoop up both Halladay and Lackey respectively, which is certainly possible.


  406. 420 Voice of Raisins December 10, 2009 at 9:27 am

    We lost Edgar Osuna to the Royals in the Rule 5 draft.



  407. 421 Gil in Mechanicsville December 10, 2009 at 10:31 am

    If the Nationals would get off a little of that money they are hording, they could do much worse than trade for Lowe. They need somebody to pitch against the Mets and Phillies. He would be a good fit for many of the reasons you mentioned. He would end up with a decent record too I think because the Nats can put some runs up on the board most nights….


  408. 422 Gil in Mechanicsville December 10, 2009 at 10:34 am

    Trade Adam Dunn, it would clear payroll and would give the Braves their bopper… Not great on defense but can’t have everything you want in life…


  409. 423 Voice of Raisins December 10, 2009 at 10:42 am

    Gil, I think I’d take Dunn and his, uh, questionable defense at 1B, but not in LF.

    I would certainly like hos presence in the lineup. He is the kind of bat that could have effect on the batters around him. His pure HR potential would mean more fastballs for Chipper, and his high OBP would mean more RBI opportunity for Mac.

    I would love to see Dunn at 1B and Cameron in the OF. I gotta say, though, that I don’t see the Braves giving pitching to the Nats, and I don’t see the Nats helping to solve the Braves offensive problems.


  410. 424 Voice of Raisins December 10, 2009 at 11:05 am


    ESPN’s Jayson Stark says the Phillies are now looking hard at John Smoltz as a possible “back-of-the-bullpen weapon.” Smoltz’s agent apparently told the Phils that the pitcher has no problem with Citizens Bank Park.

    Ewww… that could get ugly…


  411. 425 Voice of Raisins December 10, 2009 at 11:38 am

    Rosenthal is reporting that the Rays are negotiating a contract with Sori, and that they must reach an agreement before the deal is finalized.

    Not sure what to make of that.

    One would think, though, that both parties – the Rays and Sori – are far enough into this to be motivated to get ‘er done.

    I guess I do know what to think of it after all! 😀


  412. 426 berigan2electricboogaloo December 10, 2009 at 1:25 pm

    Not saying there isn’t a GM dumb enough to do this, but…
    Imagine there was a soon to be 37 year old starter out there that the braves were interested in. He is paid 15 Mil, and will be paid that for the next 3 years. And he’s coming off a year where his ERA was 4.67. How would you guys feel if Wren was interested in him??? WOuldn’t we all be saying, well, only if team X paid at least half of his salary???

    Gammons and Tim K. say they expect Halliday to remain with the Jays, since no one is going to give up a ton of talent for one year, or then having to sign him to a multi year deal…

    They expect Lackey to re-sign with the Angels.

    So, you are right that Lowe will have some appeal, no doubt…but not at 15 Mil, IMO…


  413. 427 Voice of Raisins December 10, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    Maybe, but $15MM to say Milwaukee is different than $15MM to the Yankers. And if Milwaukee will give Randy friggin’ Wolf almost $9+MM per year…

    The market is truly taking shape, and the market will still show Lowe to be a very desirable commodity. Remember, we are no longer talking about juiced baseballs or juiced batters. We are talking about Little League size parks. A sinker baller that induces a ton of ground balls is a valuable guy.

    Again, think about NYY’s new playground. They’re the best match if they lose out on Halladay and Lackey.


  414. 428 Gil in Mechanicsville December 10, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    I think if I were the Braves, I would have less problem with Lowe going to the Nationals than a team like the Phillies. Just saying…. The Nats have too many bats and not enough pitching. It would be a win/win if you ask me.

    When you look at what Hallady would command or Lackey, $15 mil for Lowe is pretty reasonable I would think. After all, 40 is the new 30, and he has shown he can pitch in either league.

    Think about it this way, wouldn’t the Braves have jumped on Lowe for 15 mil for three years last season. I don’t think the economy is that bad, TV revenue is up even if gate attendance is down. How do ya’ll think Ted afforded that big payroll back in the 90’s?


  415. 429 Salty December 11, 2009 at 8:04 am

    The market is truly taking shape, and the market will still show Lowe to be a very desirable commodity. Remember, we are no longer talking about juiced baseballs or juiced batters. We are talking about Little League size parks. A sinker baller that induces a ton of ground balls is a valuable guy.

    That’s a very Boras-esque assessment, Raisins! ‘Satan’ would be proud…expect a phone call one day soon…! 😆


  416. 430 Voice of Raisins December 11, 2009 at 8:26 am

    I am Mr. Rose-Colored Glasses for sure, I’ll admit. It’s a burden… 😀


  417. 431 Voice of Raisins December 11, 2009 at 8:36 am

    Well, tomorrow is the non-tender date – I assume midnight, or 11:59pm.

    What is to become of KJ? Before everyone’s attention turned to Soriano and his sudden status, the talk was that several teams were in on KJ and that he would almost certainly be traded at the meetings. (Perhaps that is the most negative aspect of the whole Soriano saga. I am fine with the outcome, but Frank’s attention definitely was taken up by his efforts to trade Sori, not KJ.)

    So now what? Do they get a deal done today or tomorrow? I’ll bet they trade him. Yes, most teams know that he’ll be non-tendered if not traded, so there is a thought that teams wil just wait for that to happen. But at that point the competition for his services becomes a little more intense. I believe somebody’ll step up and make the trade. Maybe for a mid-level prospect, maybe for a “Jesse Chavez” type guy, but at least value of some sort.

    I guess we’ll know in 39 or so hours…


  418. 432 Gil in Mechanicsville December 11, 2009 at 10:48 am

    Good morning ya’ll… I would be remiss if I did not wish our good friend Salty a Happy Hanukkah which begins tonight.

    A little song in his honor…


  419. 433 Voice of Raisins December 11, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    TP on 680theFan right now:

    You can hear the live stream by clicking here:


    or if that fails, go here:



  420. 434 Voice of Raisins December 11, 2009 at 1:02 pm

    Soriano trade has been officially announced.


  421. 435 Voice of Raisins December 11, 2009 at 1:03 pm


    Rafael Soriano-Jesse Chavez Swap Made Official

    The Rays made their deal for Braves reliever Rafael Soriano official today, tweets Marc Topkin of the St. Petersburg Times. He says the Rays came to terms on a one-year, $7.25MM deal with Soriano, who was acquired from Atlanta for reliever Jesse Chavez.



  422. 437 Voice of Raisins December 11, 2009 at 3:03 pm

    Jon Heyman counts the Braves as “winners” at the meetings. He says:

    Braves: A little more work was made for them when Soriano surprised them by accepting arbitration, but they found him a new home in Tampa within 24 hours. The real benefit at the meetings, though, was seeing the price of pitching rise to the point where the $45 million (over three years) left on Derek Lowe’s deal looks almost reasonable. Perhaps if they could save $35-to-40 million of that by trading Lowe, they could even make a play for Bay or Holliday.

    To bad there isn’t an emoticon for praying…


  423. 438 berigan2electricboogaloo December 11, 2009 at 6:29 pm

    I’d love to have Holliday, but Satan will want 7-8 years at 20+ mil a year…bet on it. Bay, I like, and while 2 years older, could possibly be signed for 4 years….Hear the mutts have made an offer for him…we shall see, won’t we????


  424. 439 Voice of Raisins December 11, 2009 at 7:16 pm

    Mr. O’B had a quote from Bobby where he basically said the Braves had zero interest in Holliday or Bay. Bobby seems to be putting all of his retiring eggs into JHey’s basket.


  425. 440 Gil in Mechanicsville December 11, 2009 at 7:18 pm

    Bbbrrrrrr… Cold front has dropped in. Quick, someone turn up the heat.

    Yep, Wren agrees, Chavez might be better than a draft pick.

    I’m hoping that Bay signs with the Mariners… Phillies need to stop being greedy with the hitters. Who do they think they are, the Yankees?


  426. 441 Voice of Raisins December 11, 2009 at 7:59 pm

    Flange just asked the following question across he street:

    Are the Braves maybe asking themselves the question, do we want Cameron and Nady or do we want KJ and Jason Bay?

    Wow… I find that question fascinating.

    I also cannot find an easy answer to it. I keep flip-flopping like a bad John Kerry flashback…


  427. 442 Voice of Raisins December 11, 2009 at 8:34 pm

    Tiger Woods today:

    “I am deeply aware of the disappointment and hurt that my infidelity has caused to so many people, most of all my wife and children,” Woods said. “I want to say again to everyone that I am profoundly sorry and that I ask forgiveness. It may not be possible to repair the damage I’ve done, but I want to do my best to try.”

    This is the first bit of sense to come from this chaos since he bounced off the fire hydrant.

    I hope he means it…


  428. 443 flbravesgirl December 12, 2009 at 12:30 am

    Dad is over the moon. Manatee High beat the #1 team in the country, St. Thomas Aquinas, tonight to earn a trip to the state championship game. He told me STA had won 37 games in a row. He was just hoping Manatee would put up a respectable score because STA usually beats people 60-0. He kept calling from the game with updates.


  429. 444 Gil in Mechanicsville December 12, 2009 at 6:36 am

    Yes Jenn, I can understand his excitement, my high school team is in the Va Division 6 playoff tomorrow (today) for the Virginia state championship. “Go Knights!!!!” 🙂


  430. 445 Gil in Mechanicsville December 12, 2009 at 9:18 am

    Wow… It got cold last night. 19 degrees…. Won’t even bother with venturing outside today. Guess I’ll watch “Nester, The Long Eared Donkey” with the wife….


  431. 446 Voice of Raisins December 12, 2009 at 4:19 pm


    Matt Diaz of the Braves resigned at $2.55MM avoiding arbitration. Diaz gets a 106% raise, heading into his third arbitration year.

    I think MattyD just likes to play ball…


  432. 447 Voice of Raisins December 12, 2009 at 4:20 pm

    Mr. O’B tweets the following:

    Braves non-tender Kelly Johnson (and Ryan Church, but he was already DFA’d anyway)

    See ya Kelly…


  433. 448 Voice of Raisins December 12, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    Wren on KJ, from the ajc:

    “This is one of the things that happens with the arbitration system,” he said. “As players advance through their arbitration years, sometimes they get caught in their arbitration number [projected salary] over-reaching their value at the time.”

    “We still think Kelly has ability,” Wren said, “and I would not be surprised at all — if he went somewhere and had a chance to play regularly — if he bounced back to be the player we all envisioned. That’s why so many times, players blossome with their second or third club. Talented players — and we think Kelly still has talent — really just need opportunities. We can’t afford right now to give him those opportunities, based on the personnel we have on our club.”


  434. 449 Voice of Raisins December 12, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    I am keeping my eye on Cincy and Jonny Gomes. The talk is that he will be non-tendered, but it hasn’t happened yet.

    Gomes slugged 20 HR’s and drove in 51 runs in just 281 AB’s while batting .267 in only 98 games last season. He bats right handed and plays both corner OF spots. How convenient…


  435. 450 Gil in Mechanicsville December 12, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    Yep, I hate to lose Kelly but I will bet he will do well as soon as he gets away from Terry Pendleton.


  436. 451 Gil in Mechanicsville December 12, 2009 at 6:07 pm

    I also would not be surprised to see him in someone’s outfield.


  437. 452 berigan2electricboogaloo December 12, 2009 at 7:00 pm

    V, I was just going to say, I hope you are right, but couldn’t imagine Jonny Gomes being let go…well, Scoop was right again!!! Was just double checking his name spelling and found this…..

    Man, and we gripe about the cheapness of the braves at times since we won’t even kick the tires on Bay or Holliday!!!

    Cincinnati Reds
    Reds non-tender Gomes

    By C. Trent Rosecrans, CNATI.com Posted December 12, 2009 6:31 PM ET
    Tthe Reds declined to tender a contract to Jonny Gomes for the 2010 season, making his return to the team in 2010 unlikely.

    “I was really surprised,” Gomes said on Saturday. “When I was non-tenured by the Rays in 2008, I wasn’t surprised. This time I was.”

    Gomes hit .267/.338/.541 and 20 home runs in part-time play with the Reds. He was one of the Reds most effective hitters against left-handers, hitting .307 with a .369 OBP against lefties.

    As for his future, Gomes said he’s not sure what’s next.

    “That means I’m unemployed, that’s the only thing that’s guaranteed,” Gomes said. “This market is very unpredictable. I’m not a free agent, I’m not a non-tenured free agent. The good news is there’s (Matt) Holliday and (Jason) Bay and after that there’s not a lot of right-handed power on the market.”

    The Reds have said they’d like a right-handed power bat, but don’t have the budget for a player like Holiday or Bay. While Gomes isn’t an every-day outfielder and the Reds have plenty of young talent in the infield, it’s not as proven as Gomes, who is a solid bench player.

    The Reds could still sign Gomes as a free agent, but that doesn’t seem likely.

    “It’s not like I was breaking the bank,” said Gomes, who signed a 1-year deal for $600,000 last season.

    A message was left for Reds general manager Walt Jocketty on Saturday.


  438. 453 berigan2electricboogaloo December 12, 2009 at 10:20 pm

    Saw this old blog dug up on the KJ thread from mlbtraderumors…just think, we could have had Ryan Ludwick in left last year, and this upcoming season…oh well..
    Interesting to see that Wren sure got the pitching better, but reading down the page, the hitting situation sounds exactly the same…


  439. 454 Salty December 13, 2009 at 6:51 am

    Gotta say, if the Braves have re-signed Diaz, why wouldn’t Gomes be the other piece…you have both corner OF spots covered and both sides of the plate. Seems a ‘no brainer’…which makes me imminently qualified to make the pitch! 😯


  440. 455 Gil in Mechanicsville December 13, 2009 at 7:00 am

    And Braves affordable too….


  441. 456 berigan2electricboogaloo December 13, 2009 at 9:26 am

    Pirates could have had a good team if they hung on to anyone….saved a couple mil with this move…
    quick name someone on the team not named McCutchen or Doumit(and even he has been rumored to be traded)


  442. 457 Carolina Lady December 13, 2009 at 10:53 am

    Good morning, my friends! A quick update –

    Mother was discharged from the hospital Friday afternoon to a skilled nursing facility. Most fortunately, it is within a :10-:15 drive from here and is highly regarded.

    Yesterday, she actually recognized me, Kelly and my brother, though she forgets things after only a few minutes. Previously, her diabetes had been easily managed through a daily pill and careful diet control. Now, the readings are through the roof and she’s insulin dependent.

    She’s extremely weak and non-ambulatory (understatement!). On the positive side, she’s able to swallow thickened liquids (consistency of honey) and pureed food – has to be fed, can’t manage handling utensils – and has to have some of the liquids after every small bite.

    Her speech is nearly unintelligible though I can pick out a word (I think) here and there. I just agree though I have no idea what I’m agreeing to. She seems satisfied with my responses so that’s all that matters.

    Amazingly enough, the one sentence I clearly understood was: “Is your arm ok?” She remembered (for that moment) and was concerned about my shoulder. Once a mother….

    The Hospice staff bring people to their facility for their last 2 – 3 weeks of life. Mother will be transferred when she reaches that point.

    Kelly and I are coping. We have our moments, but we’re managing.
    Littlejohn is walking around meowing; he knows that one of his humans is missing and isn’t happy about it.

    Thank you, thank you for your prayers. Strength and guidance is what I need. My brother is involved but only in a ‘you-do-everything-and-I’ll-agree-with-it’ role. I guess that’s the best he can do.

    I slept like a LOG last night! Was shocked to see the late hour when my eyes finally opened this morning! I can go another week now! 🙂

    Y’all are the best, ya know that??


  443. 458 Carolina Lady December 13, 2009 at 10:57 am

    Someone sent this in an email. We’ve all probably read it before but I think it certainly merits a repeat:

    The embers glowed softly, and in their dim light,
    I gazed round the room and I cherished the sight.
    My wife was asleep, her head on my chest,
    My daughter beside me, angelic in rest.
    Outside the snow fell, a blanket of white,
    Transforming the yard to a winter delight.
    The sparkling lights in the tree I believe,
    Completed the magic that was Christmas Eve.
    My eyelids were heavy, my breathing was deep,
    Secure and surrounded by love I would sleep.
    In perfect contentment, or so it would seem,
    So I slumbered, perhaps I started to dream.

    The sound wasn’t loud, and it wasn’t too near,
    But I opened my eyes when it tickled my ear..
    Perhaps just a cough, I didn’t quite know,
    Then the sure sound of footsteps outside in the snow.
    My soul gave a tremble, I struggled to hear,
    And I crept to the door just to see who was near.

    Standing out in the cold and the dark of the night,
    A lone figure stood, his face weary and tight.
    A soldier, I puzzled, some twenty years old,
    Perhaps a Marine, huddled here in the cold.
    Alone in the dark, he looked up and smiled,
    Standing watch over me, and my wife and my child.

    “What are you doing?” I asked without fear,
    “Come in this moment, it’s freezing out here!
    Put down your pack, brush the snow from your sleeve,
    You should be at home on a cold Christmas Eve!”
    For barely a moment I saw his eyes shift,
    Away from the cold and the snow blown in drifts..

    To the window that danced with a warm fire’s light
    Then he sighed and he said “Its really all right,
    I’m out here by choice. I’m here every night.”
    “It’s my duty to stand at the front of the line,
    That separates you from the darkest of times.

    No one had to ask or beg or implore me,
    I’m proud to stand here like my fathers before me.
    My Gramps died at ‘Pearl on a day in December,”
    Then he sighed, “That’s a Christmas ‘Gram always remembers.”
    My dad stood his watch in the jungles of ‘Nam’,
    And now it is my turn and so, here I am.

    I’ve not seen my own son in more than a while,
    But my wife sends me pictures, he’s sure got her smile.
    Then he bent and he carefully pulled from his bag,
    The red, white, and blue… an American flag.
    I can live through the cold and the being alone,
    Away from my family, my house and my home.

    I can stand at my post through the rain and the sleet,
    I can sleep in a foxhole with little to eat.
    I can carry the weight of killing another,
    Or lay down my life with my sister and brother..
    Who stand at the front against any and all,
    To ensure for all time that this flag will not fall..”

    “So go back inside,” he said, “harbor no fright,
    Your family is waiting and I’ll be all right.”
    “But isn’t there something I can do, at the least,
    “Give you money,” I asked, “or prepare you a feast?
    It seems all too little for all that you’ve done,
    For being away from your wife and your son.”

    Then his eye welled a tear that held no regret,
    “Just tell us you love us, and never forget.
    To fight for our rights back at home while we’re gone,
    To stand your own watch, no matter how long.
    For when we come home, either standing or dead,
    To know you remember we fought and we bled
    Is payment enough, and with that we will trust,
    That we mattered to you as you mattered to us.”


  444. 459 Carolina Lady December 13, 2009 at 10:59 am

    And, uh, somebody needs to write something….

    Gil can post it. (Thank you for being there, Gil!!)


  445. 460 Gil in Mechanicsville December 13, 2009 at 11:10 am

    I am glad to hear your mom is doing better. It is tough isn’t it when they finally reach this point. So many emotions you don’t have normally have time for seem to bubble to the surface. And the brother thingee… yep, I am there and doing that…

    Now, on that new lead…. Been trying to think of something relevant that we all don’t already agree on…. 🙂


  446. 461 berigan2electricboogaloo December 13, 2009 at 7:42 pm

    CL, glad it sounds like your Mom is not suffering….that is the most important thing right now I guess…
    Still saying prayers for you and your family.

    Very good email, especially this time of year!


  447. 462 Voice of Raisins December 13, 2009 at 10:15 pm


    Recently non-tendered Ryan Langerhans indicated to Baker that his friend Adam LaRoche is being looked at by the Mariners. Yesterday, it was reported that LaRoche is seeking a three-year, $31.5MM deal. We’ve seen some rather surprising deals go down over the years, but does anyone see that as a realistic figure?



  448. 463 flbravesgirl December 13, 2009 at 11:19 pm

    (((hug))) CL.

    Want an unrealistic figure, VOR? I’ve made 18 dozen sugar cookies the past 2 days. 😯


  449. 464 berigan2electricboogaloo December 14, 2009 at 2:20 am

    FBG, if you have made too many, and don’t know what to do with them, I can help you out! 😛

    I am way behind on the “lists” I capture data from, but making more on ebay and amazon this month than I have in years…a fair trade off, but I still wish I could find a way to do two things at once.

    I also have wrapped about 14 items to mail, and have about that many more to go…but I am now too sleepy to do anything….zzzzzzzzz


  450. 465 Voice of Raisins December 14, 2009 at 7:58 am

    Want an unrealistic figure, VOR? I’ve made 18 dozen sugar cookies the past 2 days.

    And I haven’t had a single one?!? 😯



  451. 466 Gil in Mechanicsville December 14, 2009 at 9:38 am

    Good morning folks, in a bit of a fog here. I understand it is foggy in Atlanta as well. Must be an east coast thing.

    At least that means it is warming up. We had about 1 1/2 inches of additional rain yesterday. The ground is pretty saturated now. I hope we get no winds because it is going to mean more firewood…. And I have enough…..

    Josie and I were going to visit mom today at the nursing home but zero visibility in Ashland so we will have to wait until later or tomorrow. I am banking on tomorrow.

    I still am a bit befuddled by the Pirates’ and Matt Capp. Wow, what a cheesy excuse for a once proud franchise. This is what happens when you try to run a team by committee. They make the Nats look like the 27 Yankees.


  452. 467 berigan2electricboogaloo December 14, 2009 at 11:01 am

    Gil, I was talking to my friend down SG’s way, and foggy there too! An east coast thing indeed.

    Gil, the Nats will be in the playoffs years before the Pirates ever are.

    Their fans need to stay away in droves, perhaps that will get the point across. Or they will ask for moola from the other owners.


  453. 468 Gil in Mechanicsville December 14, 2009 at 11:12 am

    Well, the old saying is that a camel is just a horse designed by committee.


  454. 469 Voice of Raisins December 14, 2009 at 11:43 am

    Great article on Jordan Schafer by Bill Shanks:



  455. 470 Gil in Mechanicsville December 14, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    I cannot say I disagree with Shanks. Schafer went from being a hero to a zero pretty quickly, especially considering he is still on 23. PEDs have distorted a lot of things and one of them is the right age for a player to come into his prime.

    In my humble opinion, I think we are going to see the 27 yo to 35 yo and the productive ages of most players again. More time spent in the minors while a kid develops his “man weight” and thus more time to learn the game. As long as there is a level playing field, I don’t mind…

    PEDs or no… Either everyone takes them or no one takes them… I am voting for no one… fewer cases of spousal abuse that way.


  456. 471 berigan2electricboogaloo December 14, 2009 at 12:14 pm

    Gil, hadn’t heard the Camel by committee thing before! 😀

    Mark Bradley might not get a card from Wren this winter…



  457. 472 berigan2electricboogaloo December 14, 2009 at 12:22 pm

    V, yep a very good article! It’s tough to go into the season with 2 “rookies” but it might be the best bet. Then trade Javy or Lowe if they(or just one) fail in April. I know, can’t have 6 starters for long, but perhaps guys could go deeper in games with more days off….

    Didn’t like seeing Jason Heyward batting 8th. If Nate is batting 1st again, and Heyward 8th, the team is going to trail the Mutts.


  458. 473 Voice of Raisins December 14, 2009 at 1:39 pm


    Free-agent right-hander John Lackey underwent a physical Monday with the Red Sox, an indication that he is close to an agreement with the team, according to a major-league source.

    The deal is expected to be similar to the five-year, $82.5 million contract that the Yankees awarded free-agent right-hander A.J. Burnett last winter.

    Should get the ball rolling…


  459. 474 Voice of Raisins December 14, 2009 at 3:56 pm


    CSN’s Jim Salisbury reports today that the Phillies are “actively talking” about a contract extension with Roy Halladay’s agent, according to two baseball sources. One of those sources told Salisbury Doc is likely to take a physical with the Phillies this week. The Philadelphia Inquirer’s Andy Martino adds that Halladay and his agent have checked into a Philadelphia-area hotel.

    What’s more, Salisbury writes of “indications that pitcher Cliff Lee could be traded.” SI’s Jon Heyman wrote today that Lee would take no discount to sign an extension. Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports write that “a three-team blockbuster that would send Halladay to the Phillies and Lee to another club is under discussion.” They add that the Mariners have “contemplated dealing for Lee in recent days,” but a straight Phillies-Jays trade is also possible. The writers say these complex talks involve the Phils receiving money to put toward Halladay’s $15.75MM salary next year.

    Essentially trading CLiff Lee for Roy Halladay… interesting… I am hearing that the 3rd team could be the Angels…


  460. 475 Voice of Raisins December 14, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    This is about to happen, folks. Our hated Philthies are about to add Roy Halladay.

    Then again, they are about to lose Cliff Lee. Not sure what I think about this. Heck, could you be much better than Lee was after he came over to Philly? Not really. So does this have a huge effect in the division?

    Now, if Lackey signs with Boston, and Halladay gets moved, is Lowe next on the pitching list?


  461. 476 Voice of Raisins December 14, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    Now Heyman is reporting that it is Lee to the Mariners.

    It is happening…


  462. 477 Voice of Raisins December 14, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    And Heyman now says that Lackey and the Bosox have their agreement.

    Sudden flurry this afternoon.


  463. 478 Voice of Raisins December 14, 2009 at 4:21 pm

    Lackey gets 5 years at $85MM from Boston. Wow…

    Halladay negotiates an extension of close to $16MM per year and goes to the Phils with Cliff Lee going to Seattle.

    The Angels not only whiffed on Lackey and Halladay, their division rival just got alot better.

    I am now grinning at the prospects of getting a decent return for Lowe now with a sudden “not too bad” cost of just $45MM over 3 years.

    I’ll bet Frank Wren has popped open a bottle of the good stuff. Then again, he might be working the phones as we speak. 😀


  464. 479 Gil in Mechanicsville December 14, 2009 at 4:22 pm

    As far as I am concerned, for which the Phillies could care less, that trade is zero sum game for the Phillies. I don’t think anyone pitched any better than Lee in the NL after he came over from Clevland. I don’t think Lee is going to be all that hot in Seattle but you never know.

    The Phillies are still the team to beat in the east however, they have okay pitching but wow, they can put some runs up on the board pretty quick. It’s their offense that makes them scary.

    I look for Derek to head to LA pretty soon. His contract is pretty doable for the Angels and they are going to need a viable replacement for Lackey now that he is headed east.

    I think the Braves will hold their own with the Phillies and the Mets, comes down to being able to whip up on the Fish and the Nats like the other teams do.

    Still, the Mets are pitching shy in a division that has two teams ahead of them in pitching, maybe three if you consider the Marlins. They still have a pretty stout staff.


  465. 480 Gil in Mechanicsville December 14, 2009 at 4:24 pm

    And like you said Raisins, the dominoes are beginning to fall…


  466. 481 Gil in Mechanicsville December 14, 2009 at 4:25 pm

    Lee has not pitched all that well in the AL, Lowe has. I guess it is going to come down to the strongest bullpens. I think the Braves are holding serve on that one.


  467. 482 Gil in Mechanicsville December 14, 2009 at 4:32 pm

    “right-hander Kelvim Escobar, who made just one start in the past two seasons with the Angels because of shoulder problems, was offered a Minor League contract by the Mets, according to the Venezuelan newspaper El Nacional.” Source: MLB.com

    C’mon Mets, got to keep up with the Jones… 🙂


  468. 483 berigan2electricboogaloo December 14, 2009 at 5:43 pm

    Wow! What a deal! I don’t think the Phils are a lot better, but Halliday has pitched well in the toughest division in baseball, he is going to love pitching to pitchers.

    Unless he blows out his elbow, or Ryan Howard misses a good chunk of the season, we only really have a chance for the wildcard.

    But, after reading how amazingly cheap the Reds and Pirates are right now, I can’t complain too much about the braves budget. Phils draw many more fans than the braves.

    Kelvim Escobar won 18 games in 2007. But, I think I heard his doctor wants him to pitch only as a reliever….


  469. 484 Salty December 14, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    I disagree, Ber…the Braves are in the thick in the East. We have the deeper pitching…and a better ballpark for pitchers. Gil is right…the only thing that went up for the Phils was their payroll. Talent-wise, and longevity-wise, Lee was the route. Seattle came up BIG on this deal.

    Phillies are acting rather Yankee-ish…that only works ever 6-7 years. Which Hamels will be with Philly next year…the ’08 or ’09 version?

    VOR…that GM-assistant in training call is coming…or the internship with Boras. You’re on a roll this Hot Stove Season!


  470. 485 Gil in Mechanicsville December 14, 2009 at 6:28 pm

    At the very least the Braves should consider making Raisins a special assistant in charge of relocation and housing. Heck, may as well get in on the market where you can…

    AND IN OTHER NEWS… My old high school won their first state championship in football this past weekend. They did it the old fashion way by playing “smash mouth” football. YEAAH!!!


  471. 486 berigan2electricboogaloo December 14, 2009 at 7:39 pm

    Congrats Gil!


  472. 487 Voice of Raisins December 14, 2009 at 8:11 pm


    Drabek and “other top [Phillies] prospects” will be involved in the deal, according to Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com

    J.A. Happ and Joe Blanton took physicals and could be a part of the deal, writes Rob Maaddi of the Associated Press. Domonic Brown also took a physical today, who is said to be coveted by the Jays.

    Holy cow… the Philthies gave up alot! 😯

    And as y’all said, for what gain? Lee was the best pitcher in the NL after coming over.



  473. 488 Voice of Raisins December 14, 2009 at 8:12 pm

    More MLBTR:

    The wait may be nearing its end. Now that they have lost Lackey to Boston and appear to have missed out on landing Cliff Lee, the Angels have a pitching void to fill. This now means that the Angels are “among the favorites” to acquire the Lowe from the Braves, according to an update in Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi’s blockbuster deal story.

    The Halos could offer outfielder Juan Rivera, who the FOX Sports duo says is the type of right-handed run producer Atlanta is seeking.

    OK… 😀


  474. 489 Salty December 14, 2009 at 8:54 pm

    Seems the Philthies are pulling off a classic example of ‘subtraction by addition’! Meanwhile, it would seem the Braves ‘perfect plan’ is coming together.


  475. 490 Voice of Raisins December 14, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    Cameron goes to Boston, 2 years/$15.5MM.

    I guessed in the $7MM range. Thought the Braves might could get him for 1 year plus an option. Moot point now.

    I think the Braves should go full guns to see how they can work a Lowe/Rivera deal. Obviously other names would be included. I won’t be surprised to see Schafer in the package since he’d suddenly be kinda blocked. Lowe + Schafer for Juan Rivera and maybe 3B prospect Brandon Wood? Probably take another name going from the Braves to make that happen.


  476. 491 Gil in Mechanicsville December 14, 2009 at 10:13 pm

    Hey, they could give the Angles Kotchman back… Oh wait….


  477. 492 Gil in Mechanicsville December 14, 2009 at 10:23 pm

    Yes, Ber… Byrd, Cameron…not a lot of difference. I’d rather have Rivera! 😀 VOR on 11/20/09

    Prophetic bunch here….

    Gee, the Phillies give up Lee and Happ… SWEET!!!!


  478. 493 berigan2electricboogaloo December 14, 2009 at 11:53 pm

    Funny, I thought Cliff Lee was much younger than Halladay. but, only one year younger is Lee.

    Lee’s ERA the last 6 years…
    3.22(did ya know his era was higher in Phillie than in Cleveland?)

    Halladay’s last 6 years.


    Halladay has a better track record, in other words.

    Lee was apparently not going to give a hometown discount, nor was he willing to sign an extension. He was going to be a free agent it appears no matter what.
    So, they will still have the best pitcher in the NL.
    but, hopefully they are weaker long term!


  479. 494 flbravesgirl December 14, 2009 at 11:56 pm

    Congrats to your boys, Gil!

    The sugar cookies were an order, guys. Made just 1 cake today ( & went to the Dr., ran errands, did laundry, etc). More cookies tomorrow.


  480. 495 Voice of Raisins December 15, 2009 at 8:55 am

    It’s official:

    Braves Spring Training 2010 opens February 19 when pitchers and catchers report to Disney.

    A mere 66 days away…

    (I think. 🙄 )


  481. 496 Gil in Mechanicsville December 15, 2009 at 9:41 am

    Even sooner for the Braves when they show up for Camp Leo Roger uh.. earlier reporting to impress the boss..


  482. 497 Voice of Raisins December 15, 2009 at 9:51 am

    Gil, I am sending you a stop gap so that the ol’ B&S won’t crumble…

    Check your mail.


  483. 498 Voice of Raisins December 15, 2009 at 10:11 am

    Buster Olney says Doc Halladay is taking his physical right now. That would lead me to believe that all of the multiple pieces of that massive deal are agreed upon and in place.

    Jayson Stark says these are the moving pieces:

    * The Phillies get Roy Halladay and $6MM from the Jays. They also get Phillippe Aumont, Tyson Gillies and Juan Ramirez from the M’s.
    * Halladay will also agree to a three-year extension that will pay him about $20MM annually through 2013. The extension won’t affect his 2010 salary ($15.75MM) and will include a vesting option.
    * The Mariners get Cliff Lee from the Phils and they could be getting more.
    * The Blue Jays get pitcher Kyle Drabek, outfielder Michael Taylor and catcher Travis D’Arnaud from the Phils.

    I’ll bet that is not 100% correct…


  484. 499 Gil in Mechanicsville December 15, 2009 at 10:28 am

    NEW LEAD UP… Thanks Raisins….


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