109: Fodder For Brave Thoughts

by Voice of Reason Raisins

Well, with little fanfare, and almost no chatter, the Braves FOT’s (Front Office Types) held their annual organizational meetings last week in their Disney home away from home. Typically, I suppose, it’s not really newsworthy to most, but to news junkies like us, well like me at least, it is on my radar. It’s the time of year where they map out their general plan for the offseason – you know, where they say, “OK, this is what we have, this is what we need to let go, this what we need to bring in, and this is what we have to spend.”

Granted, not generally exciting stuff, but I sure do wish I could sit in on them and voice a few of my own opinions. What would I say? Glad you asked…

Position by position:

Jason Heyward


* We can start with the certainties. Catcher, 1B, 2B, 3B, CF and RF. They can talk all they want about RF being an open competition. There’s a Greek word for that… baloney. That will be JHey’s for as long as he wears a tomahawk.

Joey Terdoslavich

* What to do in left field? Well, JTerd (Joey Terdoslavich),  currently  a 1B, is tearing up the AFL. He hits for both power and average, and is being strongly considered for a  position change to LF. 1B seems to be  occupied for a while. But he will start 2012 in AA, and isn’t even on the radar for competing for a spot on the 25. We need to acquire a veteran guy who is a proven hitter. Frank’s track record says it won’t be through FA. A trade is a’comin’. What about Martin? Martin Prado is one of the best utility guys in either league. He is just a mediocre everyday outfielder. He would benefit the Braves better back in the super-utility role.

*Bench? Welcome back Martin; see ya Conrad; please rebound Big Hinske; and get a hit, would ya Matty? Rossy is thankfully back, too. We need a backup SS, though. Maybe we address that after we address the starting SS…


* Which brings me to SS. I’ll bet that Gonzo returns on a 1 year deal. He’d probably like a 2 year deal, but I honestly don’t think he’ll get that anywhere, and not from ATL either. Love his glove. His bat could do more, but he wins you games with his D. Pitchers love him.

Kris Medlen

* Even though the bullpen wore down toward season’s end, I think you still have most of it already in place. Gone is Line Drive Linebrink. Gone is Scott Proctor. Gone is George Sherrill. The ineffectiveness of those 3 forced Fredi to go to his horses more often. Peter finally made it back for a few appearances before his shoulder turned to lunch meat. His tenure with the Braves is done. His cost now exceeds his benefit. Look for him to be released. But we welcome back Kris Medlen,

Arodys Vizcaino

and Arodys Vizcaino proved he is a capable MLB pitcher. I won’t be surprised to see Arodys slide into EOF’s 7th inning role, allowing EOF to move around and make the pen a bit more versatile. Jonny and Special K return to their shut down roles. Martinez was very good at times in his long relief role, and I see no reason to believe he won’t return to the same. So 1 spot remains… DLowe?

Anthony Varvaro

God, I hope not. I think Anthony Varvaro earned it, though many think that Cory Gearrin would fit Peter’s old “ground ball specialist” role. I can see that. That will likely be a spring training battle.

Derek Lowe

* DLowe has to go… even if only for the clichéd “bag o’ balls”. The truth is, he still has value, if not $15MM worth. But he is a veteran hurler who can adjust and can still pitch effectively at times. Remember the near no-hitter earlier this season? Yes, that was this season. That said, he has worn out his welcome in Atlanta, and would likely benefit from the proverbial change of scenery. The only real question is how much $$$ are the Braves willing to eat in order to move him? I’ve already beat this mule and won’t rehash it here.

Tim Hudson

* Finally, we must address the rotation. Huddy is the clear #1 ace. Beachy is only getting better, and Minor proved he belongs… and is the only lefty there. Obviously, there are injury

Brandon Beachy

concerns surrounding both JJ and Tommy. That’s too bad. We needed one of those guys as a trade chip this offseason. Can’t do it now, you’d just get pennies back on the dollar. But Julio Teheran has nothing left to prove at AAA, and Delgado established himself in his big league starts as well. Too many starters… it’s a good problem to have.

Mike Minor

Julio Teheran

But if you’re Frank, it’ll give you even more grey hair. There will be more scrutiny over what he does here than anywhere else on the roster. That’s a tough call.

Randall Delgado

If  it were me, I’d take it to spring, prove one of either JJ or Tommy are healthy, and find a team desperate for a starter.

                                                                   That’s where you’ll find your LF.


362 Responses to “109: Fodder For Brave Thoughts”

  1. 1 Carolina Lady October 17, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    Thanks, V! I hate that it has turned out this way for DLowe. He’s a very hard worker – and we know he wanted to do well. Let’s hope JHey can regroup before spring.


  2. 2 Carolina Lady October 17, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    (Side note from the graphics department: That is the best layout that the WordPress program will allow. After several hours of doing battle with little/no improvement, we moved on. 🙂 )


  3. 3 Voice of Raisins October 17, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    CL, as always, your fine graphics department adds the gravy to the meat. You could polish a… well, you get the idea. Thanks for the spiffy-ness. 😀


  4. 4 Gil in Mechanicsville October 17, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    Great opine as usual Raisins. I always respect and enjoy your insight.

    How much of D Lowe’s salary would the Braves be willing to eat? My bet is at least $7 million which is what it cost to have Kershin ride the bus in AA Pearl.

    Ever notice that “tired arm syndrome” strikes at the most inopportune time?

    To be honest, I cannot lay it all on the Braves pitching nor Freddie G for the burn out of the bullpen. A lot of what you see is the results of a very anemic offense.

    Speaking of which… don’t you know that Texas is still relishing the Texieria trade to Atlanta… Think we could get that kind of return for anyone in the Braves organization right now????


  5. 5 Voice of Raisins October 18, 2011 at 11:38 am

    Speaking of JJ and TommyH, our intrepid beat writer across the street tweets that Scott “I am Berigan’s favorite person” Boras has told him neither has or will require any kind of surgery, arthroscopic or invasive, this winter. Both are expected to be at full strength by Spring Training.


  6. 6 Voice of Raisins October 18, 2011 at 11:38 am

    Of course, we always take Boras at his word, right? 😉


  7. 7 berigan2electricboogaloo October 19, 2011 at 8:31 am

    excellent lead V! Should last us all winter! 😉
    Now you can see why after reading this a few days ago, I had to really think, put some thought into the first post I made 🙄


  8. 8 berigan2electricboogaloo October 19, 2011 at 8:55 am

    Been sick for more than two weeks, now my Dad is sick….just doesn’t want to let go. Makes my weak brain even…weaker. 😦

    Anyway…V, JTerd (Joey Terdoslavich)….umm, I sure hope that doesn’t stick! 😉
    I love the optimism you and Gil have about trading DLowe away, and finding a team to take half of his contract.
    2009 7 W 12 L 3.86 ERA
    2010 1 W 10 L 5.15 ERA
    7.3 Mil contract… now 36 YO. No takers, couldn’t even trade him and save say 1 Mil?

    2010 16 W 12 L 4.00 ERA (saved by great Sept, 4.67 ERA in 2008 with braves
    2011 9 W 17 L 5.05 ERA . (6.20 ERA post all star break, 8.75 ERA in September!!!!!)39 Y.O. In June. Owed 15 Mil. GM saying he won’t be a starter. What GM in their right mind is going to take on more than say, 2-3 Mil tops on him???
    I think Wren was talking tough since it’s what we the fans needed to hear at the time. Liberty won’t want to pay 15 mil to a guy not playing, IMO.
    So, I bet if he has even a so-so spring he will be clogging up the rotation trying to build up “value” for a trade…
    the voice of doom has spoken! Gloomy morn isn’t helping bring out my sunny disposition ! 😉


  9. 9 Voice of Raisins October 19, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    Good points there, Ber. But I will rebut with this:

    If they’ll park KK’s butt in Mississippi for 2 years and eat $15MM, don’t you think they’d eat $9MM to send DLowe elsewhere? And sadly, in this outlandish salary era, $6-7MM for a veteran pitcher, even one as past his prime as DLowe, is not a reach. Too much money in the pie, not enough pitching. Heck, the Reds paid Bronson Arroyo more than $11MM last season and he was worse than DLowe! 😯

    The most Dale Murphy ever made in a season as a Brave was $2MM in 1990. The Phils did bump him to $2.5MM for each of ’91 & ’92. Phil Niekro’s highest salaried season was just $600K in 1985 as a Yankee. Those guys missed the gravy train.



  10. 10 berigan2electricboogaloo October 19, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    Yay, someone else talkin’ baseball! 🙂

    V, it’s true the reds screwed up, but it was after 2 good years…now they are stuck with him for 2 more years…
    Arroyo’s contract will be worth $35 million, making him one of the highest-paid players on the team. It’s comparable to the three-year, $33 million contract signed by Ted Lilly with the Dodgers earlier in the offseason, and it’s also similar to the deal Jorge de la Rosa recently signed with the Rockies.

    The 33-year-old Arroyo threw 215.2 innings over 33 starts last year with the Reds, posting a 3.88 ERA that was up just a tick from 2009’s 3.84. While Arroyo isn’t known for his strikeouts or pinpoint command, he throws a broad array of pitches to keep batters off balance, and he excels at soaking up a lot of innings. Arroyo has reached or exceeded the 200-inning mark for six consecutive seasons.

    You know I have my issues with MLBTR (as I am sure you and Gil do) great for trade rumors, other stories…

    Under non tender candidates earlier today….
    Every rotation needs innings guys, and this year Saunders tallied 215 including a playoff start. Throw in a 3.69 ERA and how could the D’Backs be thinking about cutting Saunders for no return?

    First there’s the price tag, which we project at a hefty $8.7MM. That’d represent a $3.2MM raise as Saunders enters his last season before free agency. Then there’s that ERA, which doesn’t seem representative of Saunders’ skills. His SIERAs have consistently been in the 4.70 range. Saunders is a hittable, low-strikeout pitcher who can be prone to the longball. Finally there’s Arizona’s depth; they might have young starters who can provide similar performance for the league minimum, if not the innings.

    Trading or non-tendering Saunders would greatly add to the D’Backs’ payroll flexibility, though they don’t have huge needs. Would at least one team feel that Saunders is worth $8-9MM on a one-year deal, and also give up a minor leaguer for him? I find it unlikely. Saunders is similar to a healthy Jon Garland, and the open market repeatedly valued Garland close to $5MM.

    Saunders is only 30, pitched 200 + innings, and had a 3.69 ERA (SIERAs in the 4.70 range, WTH??? here’s what his pretend era should be?) playing half his games in a hitters park.
    So, IF the Diamondbacks don’t keep him….IF he and Garland are worth “only” 5 Mil…big IF’s….then what is Lowe, and his 6.20 ERA after the all star break worth to another team??? That’s why I think he has to have a good spring, and a good April with the team before anything can happen….


  11. 11 Voice of Raisins October 20, 2011 at 7:05 am

    DOB tweeted this yesterday:

    1B prospect Terdoslavich still leads ArizFallLeague in avg (.464, 13-for-28), 3rd in OBP (.516); catcher Bethancourt hitting .400

    Obviously, he won’t be a 1B for long…


  12. 12 Voice of Raisins October 20, 2011 at 7:33 am

    Question of the day (and given the light traffic here lately, maybe question of the week):

    Would you give up a prospect to the Yankees for potentially only 1 year of Nick Swisher, if they’d also take back DLowe and at least half of his salary? If yes, what level prospect do you think would get it done? Pitcher or other, like the above mentioned Christian Bethancourt?

    I gotta say, Nick Swisher in LF would make a tremendous impact on the lineup.


  13. 13 Voice of Raisins October 20, 2011 at 7:52 am

    Nick Swisher numbers for 2011:

    .260 AVG (.232 vs. RHP, .327 vs. LHP), .374 OBP, 23 HR, 85 RBI

    Nicky is a switch hitter who mostly batted 5th or 6th in the vaunted Yankee lineup. While you might like to see more RBI, there were a lot of runs already cleaned off the bases by Granderson (119 RBI), Cano (118 RBI) and Tex (111 RBI) before Nicky ever came to the plate.

    Imagine this lineup:

    1. CF – Michael Bourn (L)
    2. 1B – Freddie (L)
    3. 3B – Chipper (S)
    4. 2B – Uggla (R)
    5. C – Mac (L)
    6. LF – Nick Swisher (S)
    7. RF – JHey (L)
    8. SS – Gonzo (R)

    And yes… Swisher has played in 117 games in his career at LF.


  14. 14 Voice of Raisins October 20, 2011 at 7:59 am

    Of course, his 2012 salary is $10.25MM… 🙄

    But you lose KK’s $7.5MM black hole, and under my scenario, will get back at least a $5MM net savings on DLowe, if not $6MM.

    There will likely be a sliding scale of what the Yanks would pay in DLowe’s salary based on the talent level of the prospect returned (the Yankees’ real interest here). For interest, for P JJ Hoover, we would have to eat almost all of the salary. For Bethancourt, maybe half, or less. For Delgado… it better be a majority. Following me here? The better the prospect, the more salary they take on.

    To me, the real question is: do you make the trade for potentially only 1 year of Swisher?

    I still haven’t answered that for myself…


  15. 15 Gil in Mechanicsville October 20, 2011 at 8:30 am

    DLowe would have a much better year if he could pitch for a team where there is enough offense to cover a mistake or two.

    My expectations of any return for DLowe other than some salary relief is pretty low.

    Ber, sorry to hear you are under the weather. Get well soon bro…


  16. 16 Gil in Mechanicsville October 20, 2011 at 8:39 am

    The Braves should be so lucky as to make a pick up like the Gnats did last season in Mike “The Hammer” Morse. I thought he raked in spring training and he never stopped. There are guys out there who could help the Braves but it is such a crap shoot because you never know when an injury is going to jump up and bite them in the butt.

    The mention in the AJC that MRIs on J-Hey’s shoulder and spine were negative are still indicative there was a problem with him and it explains much of what ailed him. He was starting to come around in the last month of the season. His average was not all that great but even to an amateur like me, I could see a difference in his swing. Much like Jason Bay of the Mets… but different…

    I;m not making any bets on this year’s World Series but I think the Cards developed a real mental toughness in the month of September after chasing down the Braves. When talking about how they beat the Brewers and the Phillies to get to the WS, let’s not forget they also swept the Braves in their last series with the Bravo’s St Louis.


  17. 17 Voice of Raisins October 20, 2011 at 10:08 am

    Speaking of JHey…

    Yep, I think injuries had some to do with JHey’s sub-par season, but there were other factors as well. I cannot remember where I read this – it was fairly recent – but Chipper pointed out to JHey early in the season that his swing was long and loopy and that pitchers would exploit it by busting him inside where he couldn’t get his hands in. Chipper suggested an adjustment whereby Jason could move his hands more freely and cover some of the hole in his swing. Jason’s injuries didn’t give him the proper ability to work on making that adjustment and making it consistent. You could see it by September, though, resulting in more contact and less K’s.

    My question, and apparently Frank’s too, is why was Chipper helping Jason with this adjustment? Where was Larry Parrish?

    Folks, Chipper has a much greater impact on this team than just between the white lines. He is gonna sorely be missed when he hangs up his spikes…


  18. 18 Voice of Raisins October 20, 2011 at 10:12 am

    Quote from Mark Bradley of the ajc: The team has moved to help correct that by firing Larry Parrish, whose season as hitting coach was a bad idea that turned out worse.

    “Bad idea that turned out worse…” 😆


  19. 19 Voice of Raisins October 20, 2011 at 10:15 am

    Normally I am not a fan of Bradley’s writing, but I absolutely love this quote:

    The Braves, believe it or not, are very close to a World Series. They’ll need to get beyond the memory of this season’s fold, but that’s why there’s an offseason. They had enough talent to win 89 games in a season when they didn’t hit a lick, and they have enough to offer in trade that they can go buy whatever they lack. If even a few of those hitters return to form, they won’t lack much. Why, they even have a leadoff man now. Can world domination be far behind?



  20. 20 berigan2electricboogaloo October 20, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    Gil, I hear ya watching the Rangers…I want to let go but darn…we sure wouldn’t have an issue at SS that’s for sure.

    V, that’s interesting you talking about Swisher….I was just reading the other day how the White Sox may trade Carlos Quintin since he too is a free agent after next season….now, they clearly aren’t taking DLowe off our hands, so we would have to give up more…and checking out his stats, can you believe he’s never played more than 131 games in a season??? Just looked at Swisher’s numbers…. .254 Career BA. But he sure walks a lot. and you make a good point about how the bases were often clear when he was batting….

    And Bradley was on a roll there! 🙂


  21. 21 Voice of Raisins October 20, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    So… I missed it, but apparently the abysmal Tim McCarver said this during last night’s broadcast:

    “It’s a five-letter word. S-T-R-I-K-E.”

    What and idiot. Where’s Deon Sanders when you really need him? 😆


  22. 22 Gil in Mechanicsville October 20, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    “It’s a five-letter word. S-T-R-I-K-E.”

    One too many head first slides if you ask me….


  23. 23 Gil in Mechanicsville October 20, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    An observation… I am of the belief that Marteen Prado became a little too aware of trying to hit behind the runner, moving a guy over, allowing guys an opportunity to steal and forgot the basic tenant of hitting is to hit the ball where it is pitched. Like Yogi used to say about some of his batters, “they are thinking too much and hurting the team”.

    Sometimes it is okay to be cerebral during in at bat but when it all comes down to it, you have to make contact. Trying to hit 5 run homers in the 1st inning is not where you want to go. How many time last season would we have been overjoyed just to see a guy it a sac fly or even a ground ball to deep short only to what the “Crazy Train” of pop-up, strike out or weak ground out to the pitcher?


  24. 24 Gil in Mechanicsville October 21, 2011 at 9:19 am

    Just think what might have been if Elvis was still in the building for the Braves….

    Good game last night by the way, who have thunk it, pitching shutting down the offense?

    Anyone else notice the good things that can happen when batters and willing to hit sac flies instead of always swinging for the fences?


  25. 25 berigan2electricboogaloo October 21, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    Gil, something was really off with Marteen last year…as was the case with several hitters. Who would ever have guessed McCann hitting under .200 for a few months???? Perhaps everyone was feeling pressure, and not performing…not everyone loves pressure like Reggie Jackson….

    And would the Rangers even be in the playoffs without “The Trade”?
    Harrison pitches tonight or tomorrow…even he and Feliz don’t bother me….too much (though they would make great trade pieces wouldn’t they?) But Elvis stings. When retired players were half kidding about wanting his autograph in the low minors…you knew he was special…..


  26. 26 Voice of Raisins October 21, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    And the winner is…




    Greg Walker.


  27. 27 Voice of Raisins October 21, 2011 at 1:56 pm



  28. 28 Voice of Raisins October 21, 2011 at 2:45 pm

    And the Braves have created a new position of ASSISTANT hitting coach. Scott Fletcher has been hired for that. Not sure why, but can’t hurt, I suppose.

    Hey, 4 eyes are better than 2, right? 😀


  29. 29 Voice of Raisins October 21, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    Just from my first impression, it looks like Walker will be more of a hands on, watch-the-player kinda guy, and Fletcher will be more of a nuts and bolts, study-the-tape kinda guy.

    Works for me.


  30. 30 Carolina Lady October 21, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    😆 I keep looking for the “Like” button under the comments. 😆


  31. 31 berigan2electricboogaloo October 21, 2011 at 11:52 pm

    V, as a 4 eyer, yep! Really glad to hear them try something different….when I saw that first post of yours I was really disappointed…feel better now. Heh, almost hit post with me saying I feel batter now! :p

    CL, demand a like button! 😉
    Glad you got the one post of the week before the weekend! 🙂


  32. 32 berigan2electricboogaloo October 22, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    Interesting talk about the Bourn, the mechanics of it….


  33. 33 berigan2electricboogaloo October 22, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    Interesting talk about the Bourn???? I guess I meant to add the word trade….


  34. 34 berigan2electricboogaloo October 23, 2011 at 10:34 am

    Fat Albert, the most feared hitter in the game????

    Say, I have an idea! Get Yankees to take on ALL of DLowes’ contract, KK is off the books…put FF in left, and sign Mr. Pujols to a 7-8 year contract! :mrgreen: Hey, a guy can dream, can’t he???


  35. 35 Carolina Lady October 23, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    Chick in

    Chick out!

    😆 Ber


  36. 36 Gil in Mechanicsville October 23, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    We ended up buying him an Atlanta Mickey Mouse hat.

    Anyone else see the irony in that statement????


  37. 37 berigan2electricboogaloo October 24, 2011 at 4:30 am

    CL, 😆
    Chicken indeed! 😉


  38. 38 Gil in Mechanicsville October 24, 2011 at 11:36 am

    What’s the old saying about you only as good as your next day’s starting pitcher?

    Rangers look sharp last night. The slug fest Saturday night reminded me of some of the Braves/Yankees match ups in the 90s’.

    Big game tonight, winner tonight has the best chance of winning it all…

    I think I am wondering what it would take to get Elvis back? Boy, has that ship sailed or what? I’m hoping the Braves can make the same kind of deal for Hanson or JJ when the time comes. I am wondering if the Rangers kissed John Schuerholz after that trade? Because in the end, he sure got screwed….

    So, the Braves sign a new hitting coach. Actually, co-coaches… Saying a guy has trouble communicating with hitters… Wow, so simple, do it this way or sit on the bench until you figure it out… I guess I come form the old school of coach to player communications, I never had time to say please and thank you either…
    I did know how to say ‘you’re gone’ though…


  39. 39 Voice of Raisins October 25, 2011 at 7:27 am

    Tony may be a great manager, but he’ll also make excuses in a heartbeat. And he’ll throw his coaches under the bus pretty quick, too. Whining about crowd noise is a little beneath him, IMO. But then again, he places himself on as high a pedestal as the national media does, so…

    Just say, “Hey, they were the better team tonight. You gotta tip your hat; they got the hits when they needed them. We’ll go back home and get ’em there in Game 6.” Oh, wait… that’s what Bobby would have said – and gotten skewered for. But it would have been the classy thing to do.


  40. 40 Voice of Raisins October 25, 2011 at 7:40 am

    And I’ll come out and say it. I don’t buy it. LaRussa says he called for Motte, but Lilliquist heard, “Zep”. LaRussa says he called for Motte, but Lilliquist heard, “Lynne”. There are no similarities there. LaRussa says Lynne wasn’t even supposed to pitch last night; the bullpen coach would have known that as well. I don’t buy it. I think Tony pulled a boner, and can’t allow himself to admit it. I hate excuses.

    Seriously… I don’t care if he’s standing under a jet engine. “Zep” and “Lynne” and “Motte” are not even remotely close. At all.

    It’ll be interesting to see if Tony’s ego gets in the way of Game 6. He’s already tossed a coach and 2 pitchers under the bus. I sense a little unraveling…


  41. 41 Voice of Raisins October 25, 2011 at 7:44 am

    Maybe Tony needs a texting phone… 😆


  42. 42 Voice of Raisins October 25, 2011 at 7:45 am

    Maybe he needs the “A,T&T call to the bullpen”. That looks like a pretty nice phone. 😆


  43. 43 Gil in Mechanicsville October 25, 2011 at 8:08 am


    I thought Napoli was clutch last night.

    Crowd noise? Seriously? Maybe he needs to manage in Miami, pretty sedate there….

    I thought it was another good game. Ron Washington got smart too, walking Albert.

    And maybe Tony should work on his elocution, slur your words and you get what you get.


  44. 44 Gil in Mechanicsville October 25, 2011 at 8:21 am

    And of course the local minor league team ( The Flying Squirrels) is whining about the lack of progress on a new stadium here in the ‘River City’. Okay, let’s pull $50 million out of the public coffers to support minor league ball…. NOT…

    That ship sailed when the economy went into the tank… I just don’t see where the current stadium is in need of a replacement. Sure, new is great but do you really need to build a new venue every 20 years or so?

    The city and the team would be better served just improving the parking and putting in multiple entrances to the current park. What. it cost too much for extra ticket sellers?

    Anyway, I still have not been to a game here, a new stadium is not the reason for my absence. Schedule conflicts with the Braves on TV…

    I still will go to some of the high school games here, the stadium is not the issue…


  45. 45 berigan2electricboogaloo October 25, 2011 at 10:14 am

    Gil, I always thought Napoli should have been used more by Mike Scioscia, but Scioscia just flat out didn’t like him for some reason. One year, the bulk of the catching was done by a guy hitting .200.
    Don’t know if it was game calling or what…cuz I always see him blocking the plate well, hitting well, and as Allan Craig will tell you, he throws well too….


  46. 46 Voice of Raisins October 25, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    And, as expected, the Braves have moved former SS Matt Lipka to CF in the instructional league. From what I have read, he has excelled there (to no one’s surprise.) He will play CF in the minors next season.

    Also, in a bit if a surprise, JTerd is getting some time at 3B in the AFL. That’s actually what he was drafted as before moving across the diamond to 1B. What would not have been a surprise would be to see him in LF. I suppose that the AFL is not the place to try something for the 1st time, though…


  47. 48 Gil in Mechanicsville October 26, 2011 at 6:29 am

    It is what it is Ber, I suppose it is the nature of the beast. After all, listening to Tim McCarver drone on is enough to make anybody want to switch channels.

    On the Braves front, I am over the rookie who can’t miss hype…. While I am encouraged, I know these kids are still years away from being productive consistently.

    Trying to build a team on the cheap has its drawbacks. It’s tough trying to catch lightning in a bottle year after year.

    There is simply no margin for error.


  48. 49 Gil in Mechanicsville October 26, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    Congratulations go out to Craig Kimbrel for his selection as the Sporting News Rookie of the Year. …

    Pretty impressive year.


  49. 50 Voice of Raisins October 27, 2011 at 7:23 am

    Here’s a pretty good analysis of the SS market for this offseason. The Braves are in the unique position of needing both a starter and a backup…



  50. 51 Voice of Raisins October 27, 2011 at 7:25 am

    For what it’s worth, I wouldn’t mind seeing Frank bring back both Gonzo and Jack Wilson. Not very likely, but it wouldn’t hurt my feelings…


  51. 52 Voice of Raisins October 30, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    Congrats Cards…

    (What could have been……………) 🙄


  52. 53 berigan2electricboogaloo October 31, 2011 at 8:21 am

    Yep…with better hitters :p

    I don’t hate the post Whitey Herzog Cards, but I figured since they had 10 championships, it was ok for the Rangers to win one….oh well….game 6 was really exciting, wasn’t it???


  53. 54 Voice of Raisins October 31, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    DLowe is GONE and I win the prophet star…


  54. 55 Voice of Raisins October 31, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    So… $5MM saved, KK’s $7.5MM gone, $9.45MM saved after N8’s buyout…

    The Braves now have a little money – not much – but a little money going into the FA period. Nice job, Frank, giving us a little wiggle room.


  55. 56 Gil in Mechanicsville October 31, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    Well, a lot of ways to look at $10 million pay off. Hope the kid picked up has great up side. Still, a net gain for the Braves. Good luck to DLowe, he had some real positives to go along with the negatives.

    Congratulations also go out to Tony LaRussa who is going out on top. I was rooting for the Rangers but they had their chances. The Cards earned their victory so good for them. Goes to show what a never say die mentality can do for you. That and having Albert in your line up. I still think he is and has been the best player in baseball.


  56. 57 Voice of Raisins October 31, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    2012 Braves rotation, in no particular order:


    Now, the question still remains: does one of JJ or THanson get traded to fill an offensive need [read: LF]? Dudes and dudettes, you still have Teheran and Delgado ready to make the team. Neither has anything left to prove or to learn at AAA.

    2012 rotation could very well be:

    1 of JJ or Hanson
    1 of Teheran or Delgado

    Just sayin’…


  57. 58 Voice of Raisins October 31, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    And the toss in player to the Braves is 23-year-old High-A lefty reliever Chris Jones. We’ll probably never hear his name again…


  58. 59 Voice of Raisins October 31, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    LHRP Chris Jones in 43 appearances with High-A Kinston Indians:

    72.1 IP, 7-1 W-L, 3.36 ERA, 66 Ks, 30 BB’s, lefties only hit .145 off him.

    Not as mediocre as I was expecting. Maybe he could be a serviceable loogy after all…


  59. 60 Gil in Mechanicsville October 31, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    Don’t forget about Medlin, Raisins. He may still build up arm strength to serve as a starter. To be sure, he would be a welcome ‘relief’ for the over taxed bullpen.

    I expect Wren and company to employ at least one grizzled veteran for the Braves pen. For sure, the best relief for the Braves pitching staff would be some offense to allow for the starters to go deeper into the game and fewer extra inning games.


  60. 61 Voice of Raisins November 1, 2011 at 7:22 am

    Mr. O’B has some really good info on some of the Braves top prospects here:



  61. 62 berigan2electricboogaloo November 1, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    Hey, didn’t I post about the DLowe trade?? No??? I’m getting…something…Old…read posts at least! 😕
    Color me shocked the braves only had to eat 10 mil, and…that they ate 10 mil! Great news! Still not quite able to figure out how 10 mil is all the team is saving without KK ‘s 7 + mil off the books, 5 mil from Lowe, and 3.5 Mil saved after buying out Nate…Is it because of expected salary increases to JHey, FF, Hanson, etc????


  62. 63 Voice of Raisins November 1, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    So, how is Freddie Freeman NOT among the 3 finalists for Gold Glove at 1B? What were the voters watching this past season? Better yet, what were they smoking?

    I’m sure it’ll go to Pujols, because every baseball writer in America is only one quick stop by Phat Albert from being 2 shoulders deep up… never mind. I am sure that the Albert Shrine will be completed before the start of the 2012 season. Likely constructed of paper – the green kind. And alot, I mean ALOT of it.

    The simple fact that Freddie Freeman isn’t even considered in the top 3 defensively in the National League alone taints every other post-season award as far as I am concerned…



  63. 64 Voice of Raisins November 1, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    Joey Votto? Gaby Sanchez? James Flippin’ Loney? 😯

    You have got to be kidding me…


  64. 65 berigan2electricboogaloo November 1, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    V, I couldn’t even find any info on this, til I just gave up and did a google search. (Now I see a thumbnail image that says gold glove-weird for espn not to hype this on their site as the MAIN story)
    Good grief, looking at the top three at each position, What a joke! Come on, Brian McCann? Love the guy, but he is not a gold glover… Daniel Descalso??? I never even heard of him before the playoffs, and he may have been in 148 games, but he had only 326 AB’s not enough to qualify for a Batting title, how can he play enough to be a G.G.G? (gold glove guy)
    American league looks “Decent” but NL? Ridiculous! Matt Holliday??? Carlos Beltran????


  65. 66 Gil in Mechanicsville November 1, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    Best way to win a “Gold Glove”? Swing a “Gold” bat…. It’s all about offense folks, sad but true. I know these awards are important to the players because they mean more money at contract time.

    The guys who actually vote for these things are lazy for the most part.


  66. 67 Voice of Raisins November 2, 2011 at 7:17 am

    Gold Glove has become a joke. Period. The simple fact that Freddie wasn’t even in the top 3

    Whatever. Post-season awards have for the most part turned into a popularity contest anyway.


  67. 68 Voice of Raisins November 2, 2011 at 10:36 am

    The Free Agent silly season starts in a mere few hours – midnight EST. I wonder who the first to jump will be? I wonder where Phat Albert will end up? I wonder where Fat Prince will end up? I wonder where Flat Stanley will end up?

    OK, I made that up about Flat Stanley. (If you aren’t familiar with Flat Stanley, google it.)


  68. 69 berigan2electricboogaloo November 2, 2011 at 10:47 am

    heh, never heard of him! Learn somethin’ everyday…

    Hoping Fat Al stays in ST. Louis. I hear Prince might go to Seattle. Now, if they can add another bat….


  69. 70 berigan2electricboogaloo November 2, 2011 at 10:48 am

    @Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
    Jamie Moyer threw for scouts last Thursday in SD area. Reports from scouts excellent. Nearly a year removed from TJ. Turns 49 Nov. 18.
    23 hours ago via Twitter for Mac Favorite Retweet Reply

    Love it! Go Jamie! 🙂


  70. 71 Gil in Mechanicsville November 2, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    Yes, but can he pitch an entire game???? Love the Moyer story but face it folks, he cannot pitch and entire season without chemical assistance.

    Prediction… Albert will stay in St Louis. The cards will make up the difference in jersey sales.

    Fielder..??? eh???

    Beware of having to overpay for a veteran who will drag down your organization when he shows his age… D Lowe anyone?

    Okay gang, lets see if we can scrape up enough money between us and buy the Dodgers… Only going to be about a billion dollars…


  71. 72 Voice of Raisins November 3, 2011 at 8:29 am

    The silly season is open…


  72. 73 Voice of Raisins November 3, 2011 at 8:34 am

    That said, the arb deadline is Nov. 23, and the winter meetings begin Dec. 5 (I think). Probably not much of anything will happen before then, unless the FA is a dead lock to receive an arb offer, like Phat Albert, Fat Prince, or CJ Wilson, etc. Other Type A’s or B’s may not really get a sniff until teams know for sure if they’ll be losing a pick (or giving a rival team a free pick as the case may be with Type B’s).

    Anyway, the gates are open, but the traffic will likely be light for a while.


  73. 74 Gil in Mechanicsville November 3, 2011 at 11:38 am

    Great observation Raisins, long time between now and opening day..


  74. 75 berigan2electricboogaloo November 3, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    Yes, but can he pitch an entire game????
    Well, of course it was before the injury, but he did shut out the braves in May of 2010(does that really count though, a leftie shutting out the braves? 😉 ) He also pitched a complete game against the padres June 5th.
    2 games later he held the Yankees to 2 runs over 8 innings(I thought he pitched a complete game against them-thats why I was looking up his stats)
    the very next game he went 8 innings against Toronto, then worn and tired, he only went 7 innings the game after against Cleveland. Remind me how many times DLowe went 6 innings or more ???
    You know, he may have been overworked a bit. Not that he didn’t give up a run or 5 in a game, but this just blows my mind…in the first 16 starts he made in 2010, he went 6 or more innings 14 times!!!!
    Check it out!
    All hail Jamie Moyer! 🙂


  75. 76 Gil in Mechanicsville November 3, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    Jamie Moyer is MLB’s version of George Blanda…


  76. 77 Voice of Raisins November 3, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    And on a day that the Braves sign Minor League journeyman OF Jordan Parraz, there is chatter that they are making both Jurjjens and Prado available on the trade market. Frank definitely checks in regularly on the ol’ B&S colossus.


  77. 78 Voice of Raisins November 4, 2011 at 7:43 am

    Just ruminating over a few very unusual thoughts this morning…

    I read where SF’s “beet writer” penned that Carlos Beltran could be re-signed by the Giants on a 2-year deal with a vesting option for a 3rd, with the stipulation that he play left field.

    It makes me wonder… can you imagine the Braves lineup with Beltran in LF and batting 2nd? Here’s my litany of “what if’s”:
    -> What of he signed with the Braves as their primary LF.
    -> What if Martin Prado became the super-sub again?
    -> What if both Beltran and Chipper got regular time off, guaranteeing Prado regular paying time, and saving 4 old legs for the whole season?
    ->What if Chipper and Beltran played 3 games out of every 4, and Prado played those 2 games out of every 4 on a regular basis, being the 1 each in LF and at 3B?
    -> What if Beltran could occasionally spell JHey in RF, allowing Prado to get yet another day in the lineup every now and then?

    Do I think there’s any chance that the Braves would sign a FA of Beltran’s stature and cost? No. Nada. Nyet. Not a prayer. And I think that so many moving parts would give Fredi a headache since one breakdown of one part would throw the whole thing outta whack. But in a perfect world…

    Then again, in a perfect world, Chipper’s legs would be young again, and Prado would blossom into the next Ricky Henderson.

    Now… back to reality. Josh Willingham? Ryan Ludwick? Sadly, I don’t even think that’s realistic. Unless Prado is traded, he’ll be back in LF.

    When was the last time we had a LF that pitchers feared? I go all the way back to Ryan Klesko. Seriously. Am I wrong?


  78. 79 Gil in Mechanicsville November 4, 2011 at 9:02 am

    Left field has always been the Braves’ “black hole” so to speak. So many players, so many disappointments. It’s almost like the “fat kid” who is picked last…. Um.. where should we put this guy? Uh, how about left field…

    That said, Tracy Ringoslby has Josh Willingham going to the Braves. Buyer beware indeed…



  79. 80 Gil in Mechanicsville November 4, 2011 at 9:11 am

    That said, what of Diaz? Traded away again? What the Braves need is a two hole hitter and leave Prado in the 7 hole where he does not have to think so much.

    Then again, maybe a healthy Prado can rebound. Still, I think Marteen lets his brain get in the way of his athletic ability…

    I say let BMac play a little left field. He has faced some serious stamina problems so far in his career. I love the kid but the truth is the truth…


  80. 81 Gil in Mechanicsville November 4, 2011 at 9:13 am

    Or put Uggla in left field…. After all, he is your pro-typical left field kind of guy…


  81. 82 berigan2electricboogaloo November 4, 2011 at 9:50 pm

    V, I feel that I asked that question about left field a year or two ago…I think I said Klesko too, then someone mentioned Chipper played there.
    Josh Willingham…interesting thought…check out his splits last year…go to the bottom and see what he did with runners on, or in scoring postion…not bad…imagine if JHey had put up those numbers…


  82. 83 Voice of Raisins November 4, 2011 at 10:16 pm

    The most intriguing thing about Willingham is that he rakes against lefties, something the Braves sorely lack. Speaking of sorely lacking, JW is sorely lacking as a defender. I’m not so sure the Braves want to trade defense for offense.

    Plus, all indications are the Braves are scouring the trade market pretty aggressively anyway…


  83. 84 Gil in Mechanicsville November 5, 2011 at 8:46 am

    To me, the best trade piece they have is Jurjians as far as what they should get back in return. Still, hate to give up on a guy like him. Who or what comes back likely makes Diaz or Prado expendable. We know Brooksie is likely gone,

    What’s the old saw about defense? Drive in more than you let in….


  84. 85 Carolina Lady November 5, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    “Okay gang, lets see if we can scrape up enough money between us and buy the Dodgers… Only going to be about a billion dollars…”

    Gil, we’ll take it out of petty cash. According to our email, we have more cash than George Soros. Who wants to manage? 😆

    Chick out!


  85. 86 Voice of Raisins November 5, 2011 at 4:19 pm

    I’d rather be GM if it’s all the same to y’all…


  86. 88 Carolina Lady November 5, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    …and we could move them EAST. ‘Bout half-way between northern VA and GA. Southeastern NC should be perfect!


  87. 89 berigan2electricboogaloo November 5, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    CL, 3 posts in 7 hours! a new record for 2011! 😉
    shoot, it’s already too far for me to go to a game, and I am less than 30 miles away! 😕


  88. 90 Voice of Raisins November 5, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    No real baseball market left in LA… too much soccer.


  89. 91 Voice of Raisins November 5, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    Wilmington Dodgers?


  90. 93 Gil in Mechanicsville November 6, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    Sometimes a team/sport runs its course. Did we not see it happen with the Rams in LA? So many things have to line up right for a franchise to be successful, not the least is to put a winning product on the field.

    In this age of instant gratification, supporting a team with a losing record is passe’. No time to rebuild unless you are in the netherworlds of Kansas City or Pittsburgh.


  91. 94 Voice of Raisins November 7, 2011 at 11:16 pm



  92. 95 berigan2electricboogaloo November 8, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    One thing that worries me about trading Jurrjens and Prado now, is that the Braves are trading at low value…I can’t recall too many pitchers coming off injuries (granted, this is leg issues) being traded for a nice package, like Greinke was. Of course, if Jurrjens and Prado were playing like they have in the past, it would be really hard to trade them, wouldn’t it???


  93. 96 Gil in Mechanicsville November 8, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    Live by the trade, die by the trade… I can’t really see how an increase of a few million to Prado and Jurrjens over what they currently make is really the reason for these rumors. I think the real issue is what the Braves expect out of JJ and the fact that Prado’s position (second base) is occupied… Do you really pay a utility guy 5 mil?


  94. 97 Gil in Mechanicsville November 8, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    To me, trading for a guy like Jurrjens or even Hansen is like buying a used Caddy/Lexus/Lincoln etc with high miles. Yep, really nice cars but can you really afford to own one? Always seems like the ‘check engine” light is on. You never know when it is just a sensor or something seriously (expensive) wrong.

    Like Jason Heyward, but different…


  95. 98 Voice of Raisins November 8, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    I think the real issue is what the Braves expect out of JJ and the fact that Prado’s position (second base) is occupied

    I think that is the exact impetus (FOB?) for floating Prado’s name out there. His best position is 2B, and All-Star 2B’s (past or present) are not exactly a dime a dozen. His value, even coming off an injury, is likely as high as it’ll be. The higher his arb figure goes, the less teams will even give a sniff. If he’s to be traded, it’s gotta be now.

    As for JJ, it’s a darn shame he couldn’t get back for 1 or 2 starts by season’s end. Had he made it back and even closely resembled his first half self, he could return a Greinke-like haul. Now, it’s a matter of whether teams are desperate enough for pitching, and whether or not you can get a couple of teams bidding against each other.

    Is it smart to trade away a potential Cy Young (if he can put together an entire campaign) candidate? You can’t keep Teheran and Delgado down in AAA any more. Somebody’s gotta go…


  96. 99 Gil in Mechanicsville November 8, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    Too bad we don’t have a Mark Texeria to trade. Still smarting from what the Braves gave up to get him.


  97. 100 berigan2electricboogaloo November 9, 2011 at 10:58 am

    Phils are likely to sign Ryan Madsen to a four-year, $44MM deal…they don’t seem to have any real financial constraints, do they?

    V, while it’s certainly true that JJ hasn’t pitched a ton of innings the last two years, at least he has pitched over 200 innings in a season, and could next year if healthy. He will only be 26 in January.
    Tim Hudson will be 36 next year. 215 innings pitched. 2nd highest??? DLowe, 187. JJ third, with 152 innings. Beachy 141 was 4th highest. THanson 130 innings. I did just see Minor actually pitched 180 innings between the minors and majors…
    It’s just that we know the bullpen was already overworked last year…
    Can it handle two rookie pitchers that will be babied??? Will Hanson be babied???


  98. 101 berigan2electricboogaloo November 9, 2011 at 10:59 am

    hey, somebody! We are an hour into the future here! 😉


  99. 102 Gil in Mechanicsville November 9, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    It’s back to the future for me here Ber… 🙂


  100. 103 Voice of Raisins November 9, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    Ber… good questions regarding the starters.

    I see it this way. Neither Minor nor Beachy had ever had a season that lasted as long as a major league season, and therefor could not be accustomed to pitching near 200 innings. But that has now changed. As you said, Minor pitched close to 180 with minor/major combined, and didn’t show the late season fatigue that he showed in 2010. That is a great sign. He should be able to move close to 200 as a full time starter in 2012. As for Beachy, he did miss time with injury. Barring another injury in 2012, he should be able to pitch 180 or above. And his arm motion is so free and easy, he doesn’t incur the same kind of fatigue that Tommy Hanson might. Speaking of Big Red, hard to say. No one knows what’s up with the shoulder. But, all that said, having Medlen back in the pen will spare a good bit of overuse of EOF, Jonny and Kimbrell. Plus, I believe that alot was learned during 2011. Replacing Linebrink with Vizcaino, replacing Sherril with Medlen, replacing Proctor with Varvaro will all ease the wear and tear on what turned out to be only 3 reliable relievers in 2011. (No disrespect to Martinez; he was the dedicated mop up guy.) Honestly, Medlen could be used in any pen role except closer, as could Vizcaino including closer. There should not be the same kind of absolute reliance on the 3 hosses as in 2011.

    As for JJ’s 152 innings… either Julio or Randall can easily match those. You won’t lose anything there.


  101. 104 Gil in Mechanicsville November 9, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    I still think Frank will sign some grizzled old vet for the pen because that is just what he does.

    Medlin could close too if it came to that, he looked pretty good at the end of the two games he appear in this fall. Proves you don’t have to throw 99mph. Just have more than one pitch and keep it close around the plate.

    Nope, pitching is not the problem for the Braves, hitting is.. Of course, unless you expect your staff to hurl 162 shutouts, you better find somebody who can drive in runs.


  102. 105 Carolina Lady November 9, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    Raisins, I kinda thought “Carolina Codgers” had a nice sound.

    Ber, you’re back in the right time zone again. (WHY can’t I remember that??)

    Y’all have great thoughts! I’ll never get tired of reading what you write.

    Thought (and I haven’t fully thought it all through!): What do you think of us having a Braves & Stuff page on fb that links here? Y’all are smart; tell me the pros and cons, and whether you’d just like to keep our little home here as it is or not. And DO NOT say that it doesn’t matter to you!!!!! (Ber, remember my 6-shooter!!)


  103. 106 Voice of Raisins November 9, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    Looks like Rockies are at least mildly pursuing Prado. I sit in the middle on this. I am for it as long as we “win” in the trade – getting a top piece in return. I am against trading for the sake of trading. The guy was decent even when injured. Granted, I want excellent in LF, but it could be worse. If they trade straight up for Seth Smith, who is a platoon guy at best, I’ll scream.

    Jim Powell asserts that a trade of Prado creates 3 holes – 1 in LF, 1 at 3B, and the largest 1 in the clubhouse.


  104. 107 Gil in Mechanicsville November 10, 2011 at 8:12 am

    The more the merrier CL…. No use screaming from the mountain tops when all you hear is an echo. Pretty soon you only hear yourself talk…

    Raisins, It is also of my opinion that Prado should not be dealt just for the sake of payroll. He is a proven major leaguer now, other than shortstop, I think you could likely plug him in anywhere. It is my opinion that last season was an aberration for him at the plate. Still made a lot of contact but lots of at’em balls.

    Sometimes the hardest thing to do is think too much and not take what the pitcher is throwing you.

    Bad news about the Nationals’ rookie catcher, Ramos, being kidnapped in Venezuela.


  105. 108 Voice of Raisins November 10, 2011 at 10:19 am

    You know, Gil… I think I have to agree. I too think 2011 was the exception, not the norm. Prado is more than just a LF to the Braves, and he would probably be tough to replace unless you get the next Ricky Henderson. If he returns to the .300 doubles machine we saw in 2010, he’s the perfect #2 hitter for this team. The power we need should actually be found in RF in the form of Jason Heyward. A return to his rookie form is vital to the playoff hopes of the Braves in 2012.

    I heard a great interview with Jim Powell yesterday who asserted this: yes, Prado is being dangled, but so is “Brian McCann, Jason Heyward, and everyone else on the roster” if it would improve the team. In other words, there are no untouchables, but there is a price to pay.

    I think Prado’s name has some up because he was of interest to Kansas City, and now to Colorado. Frank is listening, but not pushing. That’s only good business.

    In my opinion, the Braves will trade a pitcher, but not Martin unless the offer is just one that Frank cannot refuse. If that’s the case, then good for us.


  106. 109 Voice of Raisins November 10, 2011 at 10:21 am

    My opinion on a pitcher being traded: I think the Braves will NOT attempt to re-sign Bourn, and that they will seek a bona fide CF prospect in part of a return package for JJ.


  107. 110 Voice of Raisins November 10, 2011 at 10:30 am

    As for SS, I will defer again to the interview I heard with Jim Powell yesterday. He offered an opinion I haven’t heard given thus far…

    According to Powell, the Braves are likely to acquire a SS at the end of a contract via trade rather than sign a FA to a 1 year deal. His logic? Any SS worth signing as a starter would probably get at least 2 years somewhere else, including Gonzo. Any 1 year contract guys are only backup types. He also asserts that Pastornicky may well be ready by mid-season and that he would not be surprised to see it.

    It makes alot of sense to me.

    But to add my own spin, maybe you go ahead and sign a starting SS to a 2 year deal, and flip him at the trade deadline if Pastornicky is ready. It’s good to have flexibility at the trade deadline.


  108. 111 Voice of Raisins November 10, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    Here’s what I would do if I were Frank…

    I would sign Edgar Renteria back as a bridge/mentor to PastaBoy. Can you think of a better mentor? Maybe Craig Counsell. Sign Renteria as the starter, then sign Craig Counsell to back up everywhere in the IF. Let Pasta start the year at AAA to get his work in. If he’s ready near the deadline, you can trade Renteria. Shortstops are always in demand at the deadline. Counsell remains as backup/mentor. Neither of those guys cost a draft pick, and you gain a sandwich pick by letting Gonzo sign elsewhere.

    I would consider bringing Jack Wilson back, except that he has never appeared in the playoffs in his entire career. We all thought that would be changed this year, but it wasn’t. I blame Wilson. Snakebit. 😀


  109. 112 berigan2electricboogaloo November 10, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    CL, I’m sure we’d all like to see some intelligent folks to talk braves baseball with…I’m frankly flummoxed what has happened to some of the former regulars…we are so low key here, and I think we for such a small group, make some pretty interesting points…


  110. 113 Gil in Mechanicsville November 10, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    Ber, It’s all about quality, not quantity… 🙂


  111. 114 Voice of Raisins November 10, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    Funny y’all brought that up… just this past weekend I went back and read some of the old blogs where things began to go awry for some of our old compadres. I still can’t quite figure out why some folks got their feelings hurt and took off. And for the life of me, I can’t figure out why other folks would type or write the things that were put forth. It amazes me.

    It looked like one guy made a mistake, another guy called him out on it, then continued to pound on it like a tough steak, and through the collateral damage about 4 people ended up ticked off and gone.

    Heck, I hope I get a break on the mistakes I make… and I make a ton of them! 😯


  112. 115 Voice of Raisins November 10, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    Jayson Stark:

    If this labor deal ever gets done, the schedule is about to undergo a dramatic change. We’ll be heading for 15 teams in each league, five teams in each of the six divisions and an interleague game every day. But the biggest change could be nearly TWICE as many interleague games, because every team in a division would play exactly the same schedule. Here’s the new format we’ve heard is on the drawing board:

    Eighteen games against each of the other four teams in your division; six games against each of the other 10 teams in your league; three interleague games against each of the five teams in the corresponding division in the other league (i.e., AL East versus NL East); three more interleague games against each team in one of the other two divisions (i.e., AL East versus NL Central one year, NL West the next).

    three interleague games against two divisions in the other league
    Add that up and you get 72 intra-division games, 60 more intra-league games and 30 interleague games a year — up from the current 15 to 18 interleague games a year. The other net result of that change: Only three “rivalry” games (Mets-Yankees, Cubs-White Sox, etc.) every season instead of six.

    I hate interleague… 😡


  113. 116 Voice of Raisins November 10, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    More Stark:

    One friend of Jimmy Rollins tells Rumblings he has more than a half-dozen teams interested in him. An educated guess on five of them: Phillies, Cardinals, Brewers, Braves and Giants.

    Can’t see it… 😐


  114. 117 Voice of Raisins November 10, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    Last Stark tidbit:

    Teams that have spoken with the Braves report they’re continuing to “float” Jair Jurrjens’ name, even after their potential deal to send him to Kansas City fell through. “They’re not really pushing him. They’re floating him,” said an executive of one team that spoke with them. “The impression we got is they’ve got to unload money. They want to get a bat, and the only way to do it is to unload money. The one guy they’d move, no problem, is Martin Prado. He seems like he’s fallen from grace over there.”

    I disagree. Jim Powell, whom I would believe to be much more in tune with the vibe of the team, said pretty much the exact opposite. If pushed to choose, I’d side with Powell.


  115. 118 Voice of Raisins November 10, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    Martin seems to be a popular topic. Wonder who the “and others” are…


  116. 119 Voice of Raisins November 10, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    As to Stark’s quote of an unnamed exec regarding Martin, Mr. O’B likewise disagrees with the assertion that “He seems like he’s fallen from grace over there.” As I said with Jim Powell, I’ll go with the people who are around the team on a regular basis…


  117. 120 Gil in Mechanicsville November 10, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    And a link to DOB’s article on J-Terdohvich okay, close… If he can hit, I’m calling him Tah Da…..



  118. 121 Gil in Mechanicsville November 10, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    I really would like to see Prado stay in Atlanta but it’s tough when you have to always answer to a bunch of bean counters who really don’t understand your business, only the bottom line…. Note to investors, sport franchises are not about making money as a rule, it is really more akin to betting on long shots at the track… Just about the same results…


  119. 122 Gil in Mechanicsville November 10, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    Raisins, I agree on your take on both points, inter league play is being over done.

    People getting their feelings hurt? Got to be tougher than that to survive in this world.

    Anyhoo… So many topics, so not into “stepping in it” with any of them, safer to stick to baseball, after all, I figure I was on at least two ‘govmint’ watch list during my time as a “Terrorist Awareness” instructor. all those Google hits add up…


  120. 123 Voice of Raisins November 11, 2011 at 9:54 am

    New this morning from MLBTR:

    Jamey Carroll is nearing a multiyear deal with an unknown team, according to ESPN.com’s Jerry Crasnick (all Twitter links). The Tigers, Rockies, Dodgers and Indians have been mentioned as potential suitors for Carroll, a Millenium Sports Management client who is expected to sign within a few days. The Phillies and Braves have also expressed interest.

    The 37-year-old infielder played shortstop and second base for the Dodgers in 2011, posting a .290/.359/.347 line in 510 plate appearances. He hasn’t posted an on-base percentage below .355 in any of the past four seasons and he has a career mark of .356 after a decade in the Major Leagues. Carroll, who also has experience at third base and in the outfield, stole ten bases without getting caught this past season. He is not a ranked free agent and won’t cost his new team a draft pick.

    Has Frank checked in on Carroll? If not, why not? He plays SS and 3B? Has a career OBP of .356? Bats RH? 10 steals?

    Would make a great #2 hitter behind Bourn, methinks.

    Why would it not make sense for the Braves to sign him to a multi-year deal? Even if Pasta takes over as starter in 2012, you have to have a backup… and he plays 3B. We all know the value of a backup at 3B. We were without both Chipper and Martin at times last year.

    I seriously doubt it’s Los Bravos or else we would probably have some hint that something is stirring, but Carroll seems to me to be a good fit here.

    Oh, well… alas, it is not to be. 🙄


  121. 124 berigan2electricboogaloo November 11, 2011 at 11:31 am

    I like interleague play…as it is…I like the braves going to parks I don’t see often…box office shows fans likes it too…but dont kill the goose that lays the golden egg!
    And what v posts there sounds way too complicated….
    I’ll tell you what though…the NL east is close to becoming the AL east. Phils still have a good year or two left in them. Nats are better every day. Marlins if they sign Reyes/Fielder/Phat Albert will be serious contenders…the fewer games against those teams, the better!

    V, interesting on Carroll. I know he is thought of one of the best 3rd basemen defensively speaking…it would make some sense….


  122. 125 Voice of Raisins November 11, 2011 at 11:40 am

    There is some more Carroll chatter this morning since that tweet came out. I still doubt that Atlanta is really in on him, but it does have legs now, at least.


  123. 126 Voice of Raisins November 11, 2011 at 11:41 am

    Mososi thinks it’s the Jays:


  124. 127 Voice of Raisins November 11, 2011 at 1:57 pm

    As we knew…


  125. 128 Carolina Lady November 11, 2011 at 4:12 pm

    I hope they keep Prado. And I sure hope they Heyward wakes himself up!

    We need another Furcal at SS.


  126. 129 Gil in Mechanicsville November 11, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    Some guys just don’t like hot and humid weather….


  127. 130 Gil in Mechanicsville November 11, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    Yes CL, another playmaker up the middle who can hit, run and field….


  128. 131 Carolina Lady November 12, 2011 at 4:39 am

    If they don’t like hot and humid in the summer, they should take up hockey.


  129. 132 Gil in Mechanicsville November 12, 2011 at 9:07 am

    “OH CANADA”….. 🙂


  130. 133 Gil in Mechanicsville November 12, 2011 at 10:25 am

    And speaking of Canada… ‘transition”… looks like Phillie is not afraid to crack open the check book to get whom they want, signing Paplabon for around $50 mil.

    I don’t think it is going to be any easier this year for the Braves to win in the East. It is tough being suddenly regulated to “small market” status.

    Speaking of “small markets” I looked at the new Marlin’s uniforms and could not help but to remember seeing the Miami Marlins play Richmond in the International League. That said, I cannot recall a single thing about the game other than the uniform… I guess my mind was on other things, like hot dogs….

    Great that Ramos was found safe and sound. The kid showed a lot of promise last year for the Nats. Another reason winning in the East won’t be any easier next season.


  131. 134 Gil in Mechanicsville November 12, 2011 at 10:36 am

    On another note, looks like I won’t be able to attend spring training next season. I have been scheduled to have back surgery on December 13th. The doc is doing a spinal fusion of T-11 and T-12, He said it may or may not relive some of my pain but if he doesn’t do it, I will likely lose control of my bowels and won’t be able to walk either… Bummer!!!!! but I am not really that much into diapers… and not walking does not appeal to me either.

    About a 10 day stay in the hospital and then will see if I come home or go to a rehab facility…. That said, I am not sure if and when I will have access to the internet but will figure out a way to stay connected. Meanwhile, I am doing my Christmas shopping (spending) early.

    I am hoping I will heal well enough to ride to the camp grounds this summer but I doubt I will be able to use the boat so I just may have to put bait on my hook this year when I go fishing… I think I will be restricted from driving a car for 2-3 months.

    Like my daddy use to tell me, “you have to be tough to get old” … I didn’t know how tough…


  132. 135 Voice of Raisins November 12, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    I sure hate to hear that, Gil, but I think the surgery is definitely preferable to sitting around in soiled boxers.

    Speaking of soiled boxers, the Phils sure did pony up a lot of cabbage for a 31 year old closer who did not exactly have the best season of his career in 2011. Whatever. It must be nice to have deep pockets. I’ll never know. But the Phils are getting old. Their grip on the NL East is loosening.

    Now, the Marlins… offers to both Pujols and Reyes? Loria must be some more optimistic about his new park. I’ll bet that place fills up for at least 2 months. Then it’ll be back to half empty and the Marlins will have another fire sale. Pujols will never go there. Reyes just might. Between his fragile physique and Hanley’s fragile psyche, they might just have one great player.


  133. 136 Voice of Raisins November 12, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    Denver Post:

    The Rockies continue to cast a wide net as they attempt to ramp up their offense, expressing interest in free-agent outfielder Grady Sizemore.
    Sizemore, who has spent his entire career with the Indians, is one of the most intriguing names on the market, a high- risk, high-reward player because of his injury history. Looking to improve their lineup, the Rockies recently initiated trade talks with Atlanta regarding second baseman Martin Prado.

    Colorado isn’t expected to move forward aggressively on Sizemore until exhausting its options on Prado. Atlanta is seeking outfield help, and has interest in the Rockies’ Seth Smith. Moving him could create a spot for the left-handed hitting Sizemore.

    Jamey Carroll signing with Minnie actually helps the Braves here as Carroll was the Rockies’ #1 FA target to fill their 2B void. Now that he is no longer an option, you gotta think they might ramp up their efforts to acquire Martin.

    I’m still on the fence here. I think Martin is valuable to the Braves, but if Frank could squeeze out Smith plus CF prospect Charlie Blackmon? Then I’m a go. Blackmon is a bona fide OF prospect that could fill fill LF/CF for many years to come.

    We’ll see, I suppose.


  134. 137 Voice of Raisins November 12, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    And Blackmon could probably start in LF this season, with Seth Smith being the RH counterpart to Hinske off the bench, getting a start here and there against lefties. I could see it.


  135. 138 Voice of Raisins November 12, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    And I am and idiot. Smith bats lefty. No on Smith. No. No way.


  136. 139 Gil in Mechanicsville November 12, 2011 at 1:20 pm

    After a while, you just have to believe it is all about money.


  137. 140 berigan2electricboogaloo November 12, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    Gil, sorry about your back…have you had back surgery before??? I had lesser surgery on a disc in 1999, made a huge difference….Hopefully you too will see much improvement….Prayers for a quick recovery! 🙂


  138. 141 berigan2electricboogaloo November 12, 2011 at 8:53 pm

    V, I truly don’t get the Seth Smith talk…I too saw he was a lefty and has very mediocre numbers playing in Coors park….


  139. 142 Carolina Lady November 13, 2011 at 2:05 am

    That’s bad news, Gil, but considering the alternative, you don’t seem to have much of a choice. You and JoAnn will be in my prayers! If Jo needs me, I’ll drive up there to help. You only have to let me know!


  140. 143 Gil in Mechanicsville November 13, 2011 at 10:48 am

    Thanks guys, and gal…

    Ber, it is a first for me.

    Now baseball… uh.. I got nothing…. 😦


  141. 144 Voice of Raisins November 14, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    Congrats Craig.


  142. 145 Voice of Raisins November 14, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    Tigers are offering Delmon Young or Prado? Delmon Young who just hit 5 playoff HR’s? Now we’re starting to get somewhere…


  143. 146 Voice of Raisins November 14, 2011 at 4:08 pm



  144. 147 berigan2electricboogaloo November 14, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    Kind of surprised it was unanimous, weren’t you all??? Congrats though!
    Still scratching my head over Seth Smith. He’s had some big hits against the braves, hasn’t he??? is that why he is mentioned???

    I hear the Tigers have some interest in Prado…I’m surprised…I wouldn’t think they would ever want to trade with the braves again! :p


  145. 148 Voice of Raisins November 15, 2011 at 7:17 am

    Word from the GM meetings in Milwaukee, according to Troy Renck of the Denver Post:

    The Rockies arrive here looking for a starting pitcher, second baseman and another bat. Atlanta’s Martin Prado is a primary infield target, given his ability to play second and third base. Can a trade be worked out? The Rockies would likely sign off on Seth Smith and a lower-level prospect for Prado. But they aren’t going to move Smith and a center fielder like Tim Wheeler or Charlie Blackmon.

    Then it won’t happen. If you ask me, Denver is posturing here. If they want Prado, they’ll have to give up one of those 2, and they know it. If they think Frank will blink, they haven’t followed his track record very well. They must be of the opinion that Frank is trying to dump the $4-5MM that Prado is likely to make this season. We know it’s not about salary, It’s about a talent without a position. In other words, the Braves are dealing from an area of strength. No, it’s the Rockies who will in all likelihood blink here. That is, if Martin is still around.

    Here’s the thing, though. 2B is an area of dearth around the majors. And with Carroll gone to Minnie, and with Ellis off to La-La Land, the 2B market is severely thinned. Just ask Detroit, who has Delmon Young as a starting point in trade talks. And they are on record as offering Young up for Martin. Young alone won’t do it, though. No, by the time these GM meetings are done and the Winter Meetings crank up in 3 weeks, the 2B market will be well defined. And it’ll take a Young + prospect, or a Smith + Blackmon type deal to get it done.

    Right now it’s just posturing… and a staring contest.


  146. 149 Voice of Raisins November 15, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    Per Mr. O’B:

    Braves open spring-training schedule March 3 w/ home game vs. Detroit at Disney, close w/ April 3 exhibition at Gwinnett vs. Braves prospects. No more exhibition games against AL teams at The Ted this year.


  147. 150 Voice of Raisins November 15, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    Jim Bowden on ESPN:

    “There is a trade brewing between the Atlanta Braves and Detroit Tigers centering around Martin Prado for Delmon Young. Braves manager Fredi Gonzalez told me he wants an impact right-handed bat. Trading Prado, who can play second, third and left, would sacrifice the Braves’ insurance plan for aging veteran Chipper Jones, who is a major health risk at third base.”

    I like it as long as it isn’t 1 for 1. Braves need more back from Tiggers than just Young. But Young sure would look good in our LF.


  148. 151 Voice of Raisins November 15, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    Delmon Young (age 26), Bats R, Throws R

    Career (5 years) – .288 AVG, 71 HR, 408 RBI, .321 OBP, .428 SLG
    2011 Postseason – .288 AVG, 5 HR, 6 RBI, .321 OBP, .428 SLG
    2011 Regular Season (124 games) – .268 AVG, 12 HR, 64 RBI, .302 OBP, .393 SLG
    2010 Regular Season (153 games) – .298 AVG, 21 HR, 112 RBI, .333 OBP, .493 SLG

    Not an All-star in 2010, but as a #7 hitter would be quite nize.


  149. 152 Voice of Raisins November 15, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    For comparison purposes:

    Seth Smith (age 29), Bats L, Throws L

    Career (3+ years) – .275 AVG, 51 HR, 181 RBI, .348 OBP, .485 SLG
    2011 Regular Season (147 games) – .284 AVG, 15 HR, 59 RBI, .347 OBP, .483 SLG


  150. 153 Voice of Raisins November 15, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    Neither is going to be an All-star, but neither is the key to any deal. In the Rox’ case, the key is either Blackmon or Wheeler (or maybe Dexter Fowler?). Not sure who Frank is eyeing in the Tiggers’ system, but rest assured he is eyeing someone.


  151. 154 Voice of Raisins November 15, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    Ugh… just tracked through Detroit’s prospect list. Yuck. 😕

    Can we just settle on Smith and Blackmon and call it a day?


  152. 155 Voice of Raisins November 15, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    For perspective, Martin’s stats:

    Career (3+ years **) – .293 AVG, 42 HR, 216 RBI, .341 OBP, .434 SLG
    2011 Regular Season (129 games) – .260 AVG, 13 HR, 57 RBI, .302 OBP, .385 SLG

    ** 3 “full” seasons, and small parts of 3 others.

    Not a step up with either Smith or Upton. His versatility is what makes him most valuable to Atlanta, but it also makes him very valuable to suitors. No way he goes for either Smith or Upton alone. Those are simply the starting points in each discussion.


  153. 156 berigan2electricboogaloo November 15, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    Not a step up with either Smith or Delmon Young I believe you meant to say V…Young is part of another troubled brother duo, which is why I think there was confusion! 😉
    And I hope people have looked/talked to others to make sure he will mix ok in the clubhouse!
    Both Smith and Prado have better OBP and and gulp, Slugging % than Young…weird…


  154. 157 Voice of Raisins November 15, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    Tell ya what…

    Let’s just hang onto Martin for next season, let Bourn and Boras walk after 2012, and sign B.J. Upton as a FA for 2013 with the $$$ that comes off the books from Chipper.

    Sound like a plan? 😉


  155. 158 Voice of Raisins November 15, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    According to Mr. O’B:

    Braves pitchers & catchers will report to spring training Feb. 19, work out Feb. 20. Rest of team reports Feb. 24, 1st full-squad Feb. 25.

    Just 85 days until pitchers and catchers report!!! 😀


  156. 159 Gil in Mechanicsville November 15, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    Sigh… really going to miss spring training next year 😦

    Once upon a time, it was a regular thing for the big club to play their AAA club at the end of spring training. Can’t blame the folks for not attending the pre-season games at the Ted, big league prices, minor league players….

    Trades are always a crap shoot. Can’t just be about money… Got to be about really getting something for your troubles. The way I see it, If the Braves are in it next season, they will still need pitching, if not, Jurjins would bring a plethora of talent back at the trading deadline.

    Who knows anymore? Glad I don’t have to make all those decisions. Maybe the Braves could just trade Tom Glavin for a GM to be named later….


  157. 160 Voice of Raisins November 15, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    So the Reds have called Frank inquiring about JJ? I say we start with Jay Bruce and work from there. 😀


  158. 161 Voice of Raisins November 15, 2011 at 9:44 pm



  159. 162 Gil in Mechanicsville November 16, 2011 at 9:03 am

    As well it should…. JJ is not you average run of the mill starter. Sure, he has had a few hic ups but his talent is proven. My thoughts however are that if I had to choose between JJ and Tommy on which one to keep. I’d stay with Jair and let Tommy go. Tommy is always just one pitch away from a torn labium. Just my opinion…


  160. 163 Voice of Raisins November 16, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    Heyman is vying for the title of “Captain Obvious”…


  161. 164 Gil in Mechanicsville November 16, 2011 at 6:35 pm



  162. 165 berigan2electricboogaloo November 17, 2011 at 2:00 am

    maybe you have to have three lines of “tweet” at S.I.
    I still wonder if anyone will offer an impact bat for him….cuz it will leave a hole some teams offense unless they have his twin ready at AAA


  163. 166 Voice of Raisins November 17, 2011 at 10:00 am

    Mr. O’B, via Twitter:

    “Conspicuous silence past couple of days from #Braves front office makes me think a deal is probably near. Just a hunch, though.”


  164. 167 Voice of Raisins November 17, 2011 at 10:02 am

    But if you think it could be Detroit, Rosey’s Twitter says:

    “Sources: #Tigers love Prado, but #Braves do not see a match. Want a better RHH OFer than Delmon Young. #MLB”


  165. 168 Voice of Raisins November 17, 2011 at 10:14 am

    So, the thought occurs to me…

    If the Astros are to move to the AL in 2013 as is reported, with the result being more interleague play as is reported, that will mean more roadtrips to AL parks. That’ll mean more use of the DH in the NL.

    2 things:

    1) The Braves will have to take that need into consideration as they shape the team for this year and beyond.

    2) Is this MLB’s way of “easing” the DH on the NL faithful? I can hear the argument now, “What’s the big deal? You are already using it in 20% of your games. Might as well just use it all the time.” Bleh. Marxist logic. Bad is bad no matter how numb you make us to it. Just ask Congress.


  166. 169 Gil in Mechanicsville November 17, 2011 at 11:05 am

    I still like the strategy of having the pitcher hit(bat). The DH was invented so old fat guys like me could keep drawing a paycheck (Union) while making the game more exciting (scoring) to the occasional fan (idiots) (ROBERT) and allow the concessions (profit centers) to remain open longer because the games run longer (boring)

    Personally, I love pitching duels. Snapping 2 hour games where we can get on with our lives rather than those 14 – 11 (softball) games that last 5 hours. Unless you are tailgating, it is just too much time to devote to baseball all at one sitting.

    If the Astros move to the AL, they are going to have to completely reconfigure their roster. Different type of game, need different type of players. Or as the say in the AL.. defense? we don’t need no stinking defense…. just hit baby….


  167. 170 Gil in Mechanicsville November 17, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Sigh… typical Virginia weather…. yesterday it was 75 degrees, today, it’s snowing…..


  168. 171 berigan2electricboogaloo November 17, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    V, please, do not sully the DH by mentioning it alongside Congress! 😡

    Braves may have to toss someone in with Prado to get what they want…after all, Prado had the worst year of his career last year….


  169. 172 Gil in Mechanicsville November 17, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    Did you guys know that in minor league games, they only play seven innings in each game of a twin bill? Still too long for some of us.

    I think they should invoke the DirecTV rule…. Any game that exceeds the allotted time allowed to view a game on the Extra Innings package. That game has to be suspended until a later date. …


  170. 173 Gil in Mechanicsville November 17, 2011 at 1:20 pm

    And I was/am not opposed to games finishing in a tie…. Each team gets a half point.

    Hey, I liked it better than the phony shootout wins they do now…


  171. 175 Voice of Raisins November 17, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    I say if the game is tied at the end of 9 (or 7 as it may be), then each team puts their enforcer on the field to fight for the win. No gloves, just bare knuckles. Place a ball in CF. One rep from each team takes the field and has to bring the ball back to his own dugout. No rules. Just retrieve the ball. I’d pay to see that.


  172. 176 Voice of Raisins November 17, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    One thing I don’t quite get, though.

    Why Houston? Why not move Milwaukee back to the AL from whence they came? Losing Houston to the junior circuit means that the NL has no Texas representative. How is that good? That’s an awful big market. And Milwaukee and Chicago are close enough geographically that the NL could have easily lost Millie and no one would have blinked.

    I suppose geographically, it’s easier for Houston. Less travel expenses to Arlington, etc.

    I would have kept Houston in the NL, but in the West and moved San Diego to the AL. I mean, do we really need 3 Cali teams in the NL West? Of course not. And who’s gonna miss the Pads anyway? I can’t even name one off the top of my head! Uh… nope. At a complete loss. Wait! No, he’s a Diamondback. Nope, can’t do it.



  173. 177 Gil in Mechanicsville November 18, 2011 at 11:32 am

    I was going to propose a complete MLB realignment but got confused and decided that it was too much trouble once I got past Atlanta and Tampa Bay…

    Much like Big East football, but different….


  174. 178 Gil in Mechanicsville November 18, 2011 at 11:35 am

    As for the Astros, makes sense… They don’t even have to move in their left field fence, although, I suspect the hill and flag pole in center will have to go… All they needed was for the train to actually be on the field to be any more bush league…


  175. 179 Gil in Mechanicsville November 18, 2011 at 11:41 am

    Speaking of travel, how many folks consider how far Miami really is from everywhere else?


  176. 180 Gil in Mechanicsville November 18, 2011 at 11:43 am

    I’m thinking that the AL wanted another team they could beat up on by picking the Stros, plus gives them a place to play Carlos instead of left field.


  177. 181 berigan2electricboogaloo November 18, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    Gil, good point about Carlos Lee, though he was playing a fair bit of 1st at the end of the year…
    V, don’t forget the Padres…umm, the closer that slid into the pitchers mound…ol whatshisname….


  178. 182 berigan2electricboogaloo November 20, 2011 at 12:55 am

    Umm, wait..what??? Made up story??? He might not be bad in the outfield, but yankee fans hate his defense….

    Braves Interested In Trading For Eduardo Nunez
    By Mike Axisa [November 19 at 10:40pm CST]

    The Braves are looking to add offense this winter, and John Harper of The New York Daily News reports that they let the Yankees know they’d be interested in trading for shortstop Eduardo Nunez last week.

    “They need offense,” said Harper’s source. “They need a shortstop because they don’t want to bring [Alex] Gonzalez back, and they like Nunez a lot. They know the jury is out on him defensively, but they think his offense is strong enough that he could move to the outfield if he can’t be their long-term answer at short.”

    Atlanta did not discuss Jair Jurrjens or any specific players on their side with the Yankees, and they also showed interest in Nunez last winter. The 24-year-old infielder hit .265/.313/.385 with five homers in 338 plate appearances this past year, stealing 22 bases in 28 tries as well.

    Nunez played short and third base primarily last season, getting regular at-bats when Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez hit the disabled list at different times of the summer. He also saw time at second base and occasionally filled in at the corner outfield spots. Nunez committed 20 errors in his limited time, most coming on throws, so his ability to play the left side of the infield on an everyday basis is still in question.


  179. 183 Gil in Mechanicsville November 21, 2011 at 8:00 am

    So, new MLB Owners/player agreement approved with little fanfare. Not a lot of changes major changes.

    Ty Wigginton to Phillie from the Rockies for a cheese steak to be named later.

    Reports are that the Braves are up against a $90 million cap pretty tight. While I am no fan of frivolous spending, I hate it when money becomes the driving factor. Then again, maybe some folks are happy with mediocrity. Liberty Media sure seems to be.


  180. 184 Voice of Raisins November 21, 2011 at 9:13 am

    Ber, I think the Braves like Nunez for his bat and his versatility. He would not be a starting SS here. He would be a Prado. If you ask me, the driving forces here are simply JJ and Swisher. Nunez is just one of a few toss ins.


  181. 185 Voice of Raisins November 21, 2011 at 9:38 pm


    I liked Wilson alot in his brief time here. I think he’d be a great bridge to Pastornicky. I just wonder, given the deals recently signed by Barmes, Carroll, Ellis, Infante, etc., if he’ll be available on just a 1 year pact…


  182. 186 Gil in Mechanicsville November 22, 2011 at 8:51 am

    It all comes down to money doesn’t it? A fist full of dollars vs a few dollars more…. Always remember the old saw, “The sweet taste of a low price is long forgotten when replaced by the bitterness of low quality”… Getting by on the cheap has seldom won a World Series except in movies and fantasy land.

    I’ll never forget the quote from Skip Carey that “winning is the best promotion a team can have”

    You can only sneak up on people once….


  183. 187 berigan2electricboogaloo November 23, 2011 at 8:08 am

    V, I hope you are right about the Nunez talk. Honestly, giving up JJ for a pretty expensive, not very young Swisher….I know he has an injury riddled two years, but mainly non arm issues. He was 12-3 with a 1.87 ERA at the All star break and will only turn 26 in January.
    Ok, looked up Nick 30 Y.O. I thought he was older honestly. But, he has a .254 career B.A. . Hit .232 batting right handed. .252 with runners on. .116 with runners in Scoring Position, 2 out. Don’t we have 6-7 hitters that already do that??? 😕 He does walk a ton though….


  184. 188 berigan2electricboogaloo November 23, 2011 at 8:13 am

    V, Jack Wilson sure can pick it…but so can Gonzo….and he would likely come back for 1 year, right???
    Gil, whole lotta wisdom in that last post! 🙂

    Most contending teams would not by shopping a potential #1 starter at the age of 26. But then again, most teams don’t have the arms we have in the minors…but, would rather his trade value build up thru April and May, then sell low…of course with all the changes in the collective bargaining agreement, does it make more sense to trade someone during the offseason??? Saw something about trading a guy mid season that was confusing to me…like most of the changes….


  185. 189 Voice of Raisins November 23, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    … and here is a good answer to your question about Gonzo, Ber:



  186. 190 Gil in Mechanicsville November 24, 2011 at 6:46 am

    Have a Happy and Healthful Thanksgiving Day everybody….


  187. 191 Voice of Raisins November 24, 2011 at 8:20 am

    Ditto, Gil. Happy Thanksgiving all.


  188. 193 Gil in Mechanicsville November 25, 2011 at 10:15 am

    Okay, here is hoping Frank doesn’t end up with a turkey when he makes a trade for a shortstop…


  189. 194 berigan2electricboogaloo November 25, 2011 at 10:18 am

    Belated Happy Thanksgiving to everyone, hope it was a great one!


  190. 195 Voice of Raisins November 25, 2011 at 10:43 am

    I have looked at the SS market from every possible angle, both via trade and FA.

    Gotta be honest… I’m not coming up with any hidden gems.

    Here’s what we know: The Braves are only interested in offering or trading for a 1 year commitment. The Braves are not interested in paying more than $3MM that Gonzo probably would have commanded in arb.

    So, Gil… maybe not a turkey. But I’m not looking forward to a steak, either. More likely, meatloaf…


  191. 197 Gil in Mechanicsville November 26, 2011 at 9:15 am

    Pre-season. Pre-season prediction… I think the Phillies are just too tough for other teams in the East for the Braves to overtake them in the upcoming season. That said, everyone is going to be better. I don’t think it is going to be a run-a–way by any means.

    The Braves’ one true problem is offense. Getting the big hit…. I don’t see a rookie shortstop filling that role. The other thing is allowing McCann to rest between catching starts. I still think he is athletic enough to play left field but perhaps playing more AL teams will allow for him to DH.

    In every season we have seen Brian wilt in September. Don’t be surprised if Bethencourt (sp) isn’t groomed to replace McCann when he gets really expensive. Unless the Braves are sold to a group willing to spend more money, I see the Braves lagging behind the rest of the league.


  192. 198 Voice of Raisins November 27, 2011 at 9:19 pm



  193. 199 Gil in Mechanicsville November 28, 2011 at 8:54 am

    Yes, all football right now, and turkey, and shopping… Well, football….

    I just am having a hard time believing that the Braves’ ownership really cares much about their franchise. It’s not like Liberty has shown much interest in boosting their other franchise, the Rockies, either.


  194. 200 berigan2electricboogaloo November 28, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    Gil, shoot we have a big budget compared to the Rockies…I guess it can always be worse. Just hard to get a feel on things when 3 Mil in arbitration scares the team…
    Y’all read about Sean Gilmartin at the AJC??? Just what we need another quality starter! Sigh…


  195. 201 Voice of Raisins November 28, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    Just what we need another quality starter!

    Given this news from Mr. O’B, “Tim Hudson had back surgery today for herniated disk. Should be fully recovered for spring training”, I’ll take it.


  196. 202 Gil in Mechanicsville November 28, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    I’m glad Tim had it taken care of, always something nagging guys like Hudson. Getting old sucks sometimes…


  197. 203 Gil in Mechanicsville November 28, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    Especially when you are not really old yet…


  198. 204 Gil in Mechanicsville November 28, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    Getting hard to lift my left foot up now. T’was funny working with Ms Josie today while she was putting up Christmas lights. I have learned not to say anything while she is doing something wrong, not worth the grief. I just let her do it over and over and over. As long as I have a beer, it can be pretty darn entertaining….


  199. 205 Voice of Raisins November 29, 2011 at 7:10 am

    Apparently this back thing has bothered Huddy for the last couple of years, but flared up during his offseason workouts. He decided to get it taken care of now. Good idea. One thing nags at me though…

    One of the reasons for his consistent success is how well he takes care of himself and his offseason regimen. I wonder how the surgery will affect that?


  200. 206 Voice of Raisins November 29, 2011 at 7:25 am

    The winter meetings are now less than a week away. I fully expect Frank to come away with a SS. Whether that be through trade or FA signing is to be determined. But I’ll say this much. I’ll guess that Huddy having this procedure will temper Frank’s enthusiasm to entertain offers for JJ. That said, I don’t think that SS and JJ were linked to begin with. But it does sort of compartmentalize things a little more clearly.

    I still think I’d try to bring Jack Wilson back, but he will also likely receive a 2 year deal somewhere. Why not give him 2 years? Why not sign him as your current starter and set up competition for 2013? Competition breeds excellence. (I know that’s a lost concept.) But if he beats out Pastornicky in 2013, then so be it. If not, he’s a veteran IF backup. I don’t see anything bad about that.


  201. 207 Gil in Mechanicsville November 29, 2011 at 8:48 am

    I agree Raisins.

    On the AGon thing…. So. the Braves were afraid they would have to pay around $3 mil for him to stay another year. That is as opposed to what amount they will have to pay for someone else? $2 mil? Sometimes you can try a little too hard to find a bargain.

    Maybe the NBA has the right approach, split the gate and require teams to pay close to the cap. Sure let’s it come down to talent on the field and the ability of the managers to make the right decisions.

    I am not anti corporation, not for ‘spreading the wealth around’ to the slackers but I am also anti greed. I was always taught to share what I have with those who were less fortunate.

    Baseball should be a little bit like that. I admire Chipper Jones for being willing to play for less than market value. That said, I am realistic enough to know his best days are behind him. While Bethancourt still a few years away, don’t be surprised when McCann is traded to an AL club, where he can DH to keep his bat in the line-up but not get worn out before the end of the season. I love BMac but he just dose not have the stamina to go a mile and a quarter. After six seasons, the stats don’t lie….

    You know, you don’t always have to add bluetooth, satellite radio and the leather package to your work truck, you do, however, have to have enough horsepower under the hood to tow your tractor to the next job. All that extra chrome looks pretty but do you really think it’s smart to take a $45 thousand dollar truck off road to go 4 wheeling?

    Baseball is like that too, to me. the HP is your pitching and offense.


  202. 208 Voice of Raisins November 29, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    With the addition of more inter-league games, even NL teams will have need for a DH type guy at times. It’ll help players like Mac as the years wear on. No doubt that Chipper will be the DH in AL cities this year, but 2013 forward? That’ll be BMac’s gig at that point.

    I’m not so sure that Gonzo was turned away solely on the basis of a potential $3MM payday. I believe that Frank (and Fredi) was growing weary of Gonzo’s lack of offensive consistency. IMO, he’ll either come away from the Winter Meetings with an upgrade, or just go with the rook. Don’t forget, alot of needs are met during Spring Training, also. That’s when some of the best deals can be made as teams try desperately to fill holes… like holes in the rotation. By the 4th week of ST, Frank will know what Pastor is capable of, other teams will begin to recognize lack of pitching depth, and JJ, Hanson and Huddy will all have time to demonstrate their respective levels of health.

    My best crystal ball guess? I think Frank does make a move for a SS next week. And I’ll bet it’s something none of us has on our radar. I’ll bet Prado is moved, and I’ll bet a young OF comes on board. I’ll bet Frank hangs on to his elite pitchers… again. Those are his trump cards and he’ll hang on to them until at least Spring. Now, that said, a JJ Hoover or someone similar could certainly be moved.

    One more thing. We keep hearing how the Braves are comfortable with Pastornicky, but there’s a young man only a step behind – likely at AA in 2012 – named Andrelton Simmons who is the real SS of the future. Wouldn’t it be something if Frank included Pastornicky in a deal for a SS under contract for 2 more years? It wouldn’t be the first time a Braves GM pumped the buzz on a prospect only to include him in a trade.

    Just a thought. Yaneverknow…


  203. 209 berigan2electricboogaloo November 29, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    Gil, hang in there. How long before the surgery??? You will be dancing like Fred Astaire after it! 🙂


  204. 210 Gil in Mechanicsville November 29, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    Dec 13th is the big day Ber, and considering that Fred Astair is dead, I’d say yes at this point….

    It has become so bad lately that I have given thought to a name change, something like Franklin Nathan Stine… You know, Frank N Stine….

    I told my brother that I walk a lot like the dude who played the pest control guy who’s skin was used as a disguise by the giant cockroach. Pretty stilted walking now… I get so mad at the things I know how to do but can’t do them.

    Oh well, my mom would always say ‘old usta is dead and gone’…

    Now more baseball. Yep, look for McCann to DH while Chipper is on the DL.

    And just how long have we as Braves fans been waiting for the next great 3rd baseman to come along? There have been quite a few who were touted as the next great thing who fell pretty short.


  205. 211 Gil in Mechanicsville November 30, 2011 at 6:36 am

    At some point, you just have to believe that the guys across the street read our opines…

    Check out DOB’s latest piece.


  206. 212 berigan2electricboogaloo November 30, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    Gil, would you settle for dancing like a 67 year old Fred Astaire?

    give it a minute to get going…you will likely like Barry Chase, if nothing else! 😉

    When I blew out my second disc in late 2005, my right leg didn’t really want to move in front of me, a drag in more ways than one…but it did improve, and I predict you are going to be amazed how much better you are after the surgery, and your biggest problem will be pacing yourself! 🙂


  207. 213 berigan2electricboogaloo November 30, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    Actually, she is a bit too skinny here, isn’t she??? She looked great in some of his other TV specials…


  208. 214 Voice of Raisins November 30, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    Boy, are things ever slow in Braves-land. SO slow that they were barely even mentioned in a longer than usual chat today over at MLBTR. Only one brief question regarding Beachy’s being a solid #2 or not. That’s it. No rumors, no link to any players, nuthin’. Nada. Nary a thing.

    And only a handful of days before the Winter Meetings.

    Things are quiet. Too quiet. Something’s up… I feel it.


  209. 215 Voice of Raisins December 1, 2011 at 7:39 am

    So, according to Troy Renck of the Denver Post, the Rockies really, really like Prado. He says they are still not wanting to let go of one of their young CF… but if I read between the lines correctly, he almost hints that they might if they absolutely have to, which is of course what they’ll have to do.

    My opinion? It’s all posturing. They want what we have; we want what they have. It’s all a matter now of posturing for the additional parts. They’ll give up Seth Smith and one of the CF’s (Dexter Fowler, Charlie Blackmon or Tim Wheeler), and will no doubt want Prado and a pitcher. I’m sure they want one of the good’uns, so they’re hoarding their CF’s like Frank hoards his young guns. The issue is that as good as their CF prospects are, they do not have the same trade value as our top young hurlers. Don’t be surprised to see a Todd Redmond or JJ Hoover included, though. Redmond would probably compete for a rotation spot in alot of camps this spring. In ATL… well, let’s just say the path is a little more, uh, rocky. 😀


  210. 216 Gil in Mechanicsville December 1, 2011 at 8:59 am

    A trade for the sake of a trade is best left undone… Just ask Butler and Jacoby… Given the direction payroll is going in major league sports, Prado is an absolute bargain. I fear the Braves may be headed down the same path as the Marlins and Pirates, AAAA feeder teams for the Redsox and Yankees.

    Fred Astaire was an awesome dancer, much as I was in my younger years. Of course now, I have to use a walker as a prop… Somehow it just seems wrong…


  211. 217 berigan2electricboogaloo December 2, 2011 at 7:39 am

    I’ve been reading, but not really posting about baseball, for some reason. Perhaps it’s because I am sick again(2nd time in 2 months, plus chronic sinus infection before colds) and with little sleep my brain is…something something.
    Anyway, good points Gil and V. There. talked about baseball! 😛

    Well, did see this on MLBTR
    “the Rockies turned down the Braves’ offer of Martin Prado in exchange for outfielder Seth Smith and prospect Nolan Arenado.”
    as they said there, pie in the sky. Guess it doesn’t hurt to ask, but come on! Prado, after an off year for Smith and a stud 20 Y.O. 3rd baseman who drove in 122 last year??? Besides, the Rockies seem to be looking all over for starting pitching.
    I wonder what Kris Medlin is worth? Too bad he came back just at the end of the season. He would start for a lot of teams, and being a 6th/7th inning guy for the braves, while great for us, should in theory be fairly easy to replace, and again not a super valuable commodity. Kris Medlin, potential 3rd or 4th starter on the other hand…enough to get a CF from Rockies? Or are they going to ask for still another arm???


  212. 218 Voice of Raisins December 2, 2011 at 8:04 am

    Yes, Ber, Medlen could certainly be included in a potential trade. I could see it happening.

    When my wife goes to yard sales or flea markets, she looks at the price on something she’s interested in, then makes a ridiculously lowball offer to the seller. The seller counters. They eventually settle on something both like – the seller is happy receiving an acceptable price; my wife is happy getting a deal – or they can’t agree on a price and she moves on about her browsing.

    Here’s the thing… The Rockies offered Seth Smith for Prado straight up. Ticket price – never happens. The Braves did ask that Arenado be included. Lowball offer – almost never happens. Both GM’s knew those proposals were off target, but they have now set the boundaries. Frank wants one of COL’s young CF’s. They have an abundance. COL wants Prado and a pitcher. We have an abundance. Before it’s all said and done, they’ll either talk about Prado and a pitcher for Smith and Fowler/Blackmon/Wheeler, or Frank’ll move on about his browsing.

    One thing to note, though, If Mrs. Raisins sets out in search of a specific item, she’ll come home with it from somewhere.

    Just sayin’…


  213. 219 Voice of Raisins December 2, 2011 at 8:07 am

    And the Gonzo market begins:

    He’ll get his 2 year deal.


  214. 220 Voice of Raisins December 2, 2011 at 8:35 am

    The Bosox seem to be looking everywhere for starting pitching. Seems to me that they and the Braves might find common ground on Jed Lowrie. Since the Sox picked up Marco Scutaro’s $6MM option, it’s obvious he’s their guy at SS. Lowrie can play both SS and 3B, makes only $450K this season, and doesn’t hit FA until 2015. And he bats RH. Boston also has Mike Aviles, who does essentially the same thing as Lowrie, making Lowrie somewhat expendable.

    To me, that’s the kind of guy Frank is shaking the bushes for otherwise he’d have simply offered Gonzo arb and tried to negotiate a deal. Nobody worth picking up on the FA market is gonna get any less than the $3MM Gonzo is likely to get. And there’s that whole 1 year vs. 2 year thing. But by declining to offer arb, it only proved that Frank would not risk Gonzo accepting. So at minimum, Frank was not willing to go $3MM over 1 year .

    IMO, they’d trade Lowrie in the right deal. I think it makes sense for the Braves in that he could be a cheap bridge to Pastor, or to simply back up both SS and 3B. Remember, we not only have to come up with 1 SS this winter, we have to come up with 2.


  215. 221 Voice of Raisins December 2, 2011 at 8:42 am

    Braves save $5MM trading Lowe, $3MM not offering Gonzo, and potentially $6MM+ if Prado is traded. That equates to $14MM or so to fill both starting and backup SS plus LF. I figure the money they “get back” by not having to pay a Japanese pitcher to languish in Mississippi will cover most if not all of the raises due everyone else.

    For $14MM, they can fill those slots… especially if they could pry away Lowrie and his piddly $450K. And if JJ is part of that deal, and he probably would have to be, there’s an additional $6MM to spend.

    I think that’s the exact angle Frank is going.


  216. 222 Gil in Mechanicsville December 2, 2011 at 9:15 am

    Ber, I really hope you take care of yourself…. Habitual infections can be hard on your other body organs as well.

    Raisins, I just hate being poor…. And that appears to be the Braves problem, I’m not saying they need to flash money around like the Red Sox or Yankees but I do hate it when you feel they are forced to grow their own vegetables all the time rather than just being able to pick up what they need at the market.

    Now, it would not be so bad if everyone was dealing from the same position but major league baseball is not a level playing field.


  217. 223 Gil in Mechanicsville December 2, 2011 at 9:17 am

    Oh, and on Bobby Valentine becoming the manager of the Red Sox…. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA……

    That’s funny, I don’t care who you are….


  218. 224 berigan2electricboogaloo December 2, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    V, you are right on Alex and the Rockies…I just hope we didn’t insult their GM…
    I too thought we had something like 14 Mil to play with, but I think McCann and others got raises of something like 6 mil? So, not quite as much as we had hoped…but if JJ is traded….
    Hmmm, you are right and I keep forgetting about saving on KK…did DOB forget that when he wrote this a few weeks back???

    The Braves are expected to have a payroll in the low-$90 million range in 2012, up perhaps a few million bucks from 2011. My calculations show they’ve got less than $10 mill to spend as of today, probably closer to $5 mill, taking into account raises for arb-eligibles Jurrjens, Prado, Michael Bourn and Eric O’Flaherty, as well as Brian McCann’s raise from $6.5 mill to $11.5 mill.

    By the way, some of the projections I’ve seen reported for the Braves’ 2012 payroll have McCann’s salary at $8.5 million. That was the base salary for the final guaranteed season of his six-year contract, but McCann maxed out on all the escalators tied to Gold Gloves, Silver Sluggers and All-Star appearances, pushing the salary to $11.5 million. (There’s a $12 million club option for 2013 with a $500,000 buyout.)


  219. 225 berigan2electricboogaloo December 2, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    Gil, something clearly ain’t right with me…bumps around two cuts on the side of my wrist(got the first one from our gutter a month ago and still red) and skin is messed up under my armpits…itch. Skin has peeled. Now where a mysterious blister on my back burst, the skin is red, and itchy. Oh, and the skin on and around nose is red and all peeled off a few days ago…and I don’t smoke, have 2 beers a week (at trivia) and have never taken an illegal drug. Thinking perhaps I need to start smoking and doing drugs, maybe that will kill what’s ailing me. 😕


  220. 226 Gil in Mechanicsville December 2, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    That and anti-biotics Ber….

    At the very least you should be applying an antiseptic cream. Don’t fool around with it my friend. The Braves need every fan they can get right now….


  221. 227 Voice of Raisins December 4, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    Slow ’round hyar…


  222. 228 Voice of Raisins December 4, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    Just a few more hours until the Winter Meetings start and the frenzy begins. My gut is telling me a couple of things:

    1. I think the Braves are going to give Pastor the chance to win the starting SS job, and will only shop for a veteran backup. I could see Jack Wilson being re-signed to that role, or even the return of Edgar Renteria – you know, the wily veteran backup/mentor/insurance policy in case the rook gets overwhelmed. Thing is, they won’t expect much offensively from him. He’ll simply be #8 (or 9) in Fredi’s batting order… which would serve nicely in front of the turnaround to Bourn since Pastor has above average speed and is a base-stealer himself. It makes sense on more than one level. The flip side is that it would leave the Braves with 3 every day players under the age of 23. That’s 3 out of 8… almost half. That’s a tall order.

    2. I think Prado is a goner. I think Frank is going all out too find a power bat for LF and Prado is the odd man out.

    Just my gut talking. I guess it could just be gas.


  223. 229 Voice of Raisins December 4, 2011 at 10:06 pm

    And Reyes stays in the NL East landing in Miami. How nice for him. I wonder if there’s enough room in the Marlins’ new clubhouse for both his and Hanley’s heads?


  224. 230 Voice of Raisins December 5, 2011 at 7:06 am

    Wow. Frank’s job just got alot harder. Alot harder.

    Hey hey hey! It’s Phat Albert… in Miami.



  225. 231 Voice of Raisins December 5, 2011 at 7:35 am

    I’ll say this much…

    If they pull this off, they will certainly make a big splash with 2 of the leagues most highly visible Latin players to open their new park in North Havana a/k/a Miami.

    But they’ve committed $106MM for 6 years to an injury prone primadonna, an God only knows how much over how long to a guy who claims to be only 31 but can’t produce a birth certificate. (Who does he think he is… president or something?) They’ve already offered $198 over 9 years – really? $22+MM per season to a guy who’ll be at least 40 at the end… maybe 42? – which is past unreasonable. It’s unconscionable. Quite honestly, it’s irresponsible.

    Anyway, it appears as though they are putting the full court press on Albert’s agent already this morning, and they’ll probably up the offer and get this done.

    They’ll pound the ball for sure, and put alot of runs on the board. Their 1-5 in the batting order will be filthy. But they won’t be able to afford to fill out the rest, and they won’t be able to afford pitching. They’ll have to trade Gaby Sanchez, a young star, and probably Logan Morrison, another young up-and-comer, to make room for the new guys and to try to get some pitching. But other teams will know that the Fish have to trade Sanchez, and his value will not be at a premium. Morrison has shown only promise, and he likewise is not at peak value.

    And what of Hanley? LF? CF? 3B? Plus, we all know Hanley is a great team guy and will just happily take one for the team and switch positions without complaint, right?

    Miami has made headlines, but created headaches. Expensive ones, too. One has to wonder how many games Reyes will play a year now that he has finally hit the lottery. And what about Albert? Y’all, he’s older than 31, I don’t care what he claims. He’ll begin breaking down before he gets halfway through that monster deal.

    But for the short term… Reyes, Ramirez, Pujols, Stanton, Buck. That’s a stout 1-5.

    I wonder… will they really be able to generate a fanbase that’ll consistently show up in Miami? I mean after the first 2-3 months? What could be worse than spending like the Oval Office on a handful of players in expectation of something huge, only to continue to draw like they’ve done over their history?

    And they won’t be able to trade those onerous contracts in a fire sale like they have done before in their sordid past.


  226. 232 Voice of Raisins December 5, 2011 at 7:44 am

    … or they could trade Hanley. Could happen. It would eliminate one conflict, and likely net a decent pitcher. But his contract will limit his suitors. Yankees? They wouldn’t push Jeter out, would they? Would Jeter DH? And the Yankees are looking for pitching, not looking to trade any. Who else? Maybe the Angles. Maybe Milwaukee. Maybe Detroit. That’s about it.

    Yep, if a Pujols deal gets done – and I’m betting it does – they will still have alot of work to do to make all the pieces fit together right. That said, it’s a good problem them to have, right? At least for right now it is…


  227. 233 Voice of Raisins December 5, 2011 at 7:46 am

    Did I really type Angles? 😆


  228. 234 Voice of Raisins December 5, 2011 at 7:47 am

    Let’s try Angels… 😳


  229. 235 Voice of Raisins December 5, 2011 at 10:01 am

    There is one possible factor that might keep Albert out of Miami. He desires a no trade clause, and it appears that the Fish are taking a hard stand on that.

    Is it wrong that I’d prefer to see Albert on a AL West team?


  230. 236 berigan2electricboogaloo December 5, 2011 at 11:31 am

    NL east is just getting harder and harder to win…they signed Heath Bell earlier this week too…at least it looks like they are out of the Phat Albert running…I’d hate to see him up with the game on the line 12 + times a year(How many times a year will we see NL east folks? Won’t miss 18 games a year per team) at least the Mets should be chumps for a year or two! 🙂


  231. 237 berigan2electricboogaloo December 5, 2011 at 11:36 am

    Heh…V, I posted that without hitting refresh from last night…D’Oh! Man, I sure hope the Marlins don’t get HIM! Shoot, put Gaby in Left, keep Morrison, and just bash like the Yankees do, and don’t worry about pitching…sigh…


  232. 238 berigan2electricboogaloo December 5, 2011 at 11:59 am

    Man, I even feel a bit sorry for the mets on this one issue. A 3rd round pick for losing Reyes?? Could go lower if someone who had a higher stoopid Elias number, or whatever is signed by the Marlins. If I team is under .500 (and I do see the Marlins had a worse record) they shouldn’t get a 3rd rounder if their best player is signed elsewhere….


  233. 239 berigan2electricboogaloo December 5, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    A tiny bit! 😉
    And the Phils might go after Aramis Ramirez??? They truly have no budget concerns….


  234. 240 Voice of Raisins December 5, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    Multiple “sources” reporting that the Blue Jays have had several discussions with the Braves today. Prado? JJ? I don’t see a fit, though, regardless. Who would they trade? Obviously, it won’t involve a SS. But what OF bat? Don’t see one. Makes me awfully curious.


  235. 241 Voice of Raisins December 5, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    Jays are seeking both a starting 2B and starting P, so obviously there is room for dialogue. But for whom?

    Eric Thames is a youngster in LF. In 95 games, he popped 12 HR’s and batted .262. But he bats lefty. Not a perfect match by any stretch. Not for Prado or JJ, anyway.

    Travis Snyder is also a youngster that can play all 3 OF spots, but not very impressive at the plate IMO. And he’s a lefty.

    Rajai Davis? Highly doubtful. Isn’t the power guy the Braves are seeking, and really sucked last year. But he is a very good CF and bats RH. Still, it’s like saying that the car has a great interior and nice wheels, but the engine’s blown. No thanks.

    Just can’t find a match.


  236. 242 Voice of Raisins December 5, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    Rosenthal says the Jays are really hot for Prado, but there is no match.

    Some Yankee names being bandied around are SS Wilson Nunez, LF/CF Brett Gardner and rookie C Austin Romine for JJ.

    A catcher?


  237. 243 Voice of Raisins December 5, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    Wren on 680theFan basically says they like Pastor enough that they want to give him a shot to win the job in spring. Also says they are being the “pursued” more than being the “pursuer”.


  238. 244 Voice of Raisins December 5, 2011 at 2:57 pm

    The previous Yankee thing had to have been some crackpot throwing out names. Still, the Braves have expressed interest in Nunez, and have like Gardner in the past. But Gardner doesn’t fit the profile of what they are looking for in LF. He’s not a righty, and not a power guy.


  239. 245 Voice of Raisins December 5, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    Still thinks it makes sense for Braves:


  240. 246 Voice of Raisins December 5, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    What the heck is a “spurve”? 😯


  241. 247 Voice of Raisins December 5, 2011 at 9:22 pm



  242. 248 Voice of Raisins December 5, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    Reds’ LF Chris Heisey has nice numbers, but great disparity between vs. LHP and vs. RHP. Not where you’d expect, though. 17 of 18 HR’s vs. RHP! The dudes is a righty… weird.


  243. 249 Voice of Raisins December 6, 2011 at 7:06 am

    Danny Knobler, CBS Sports:

    The Braves’ duo of Jair Jurrjens and Martin Prado continue to be as sought after as any players on the slow-developing trade market. Sources say that 8-10 teams have shown real interest in Jurrjens, while “half the teams in baseball” have talked to the Braves about Prado, most with the idea of playing him at second base. The Braves continue to say that they don’t need to move either player, and will only do so if the return helps make them more competitive in 2012 (as opposed to dealing for long-term prospects). The Braves have assured teams that Jurrjens is fully healthy, and that his velocity returned to the mid 90s when he resumed throwing in instructional league.


  244. 250 Voice of Raisins December 6, 2011 at 7:16 am

    THIS is insanity:


  245. 252 Gil in Mechanicsville December 6, 2011 at 9:35 am

    On the Blue Jays and Prado… One thing I have learned over the years is that if a team wants a player badly enough, they can always find a way to make it happen. Who and what do the Jays have to offer and what other team matches up with them? Then look for that team to be involved in a 3 way… Of course, with all those moving parts, someone usually gets cold feet at the last second.

    Yep, the Marlins are making a big push. Why not, they have been sand bagging for years… I look for Hanley to be shopped out rather than moved. Don’t see him being traded to the Braves though.

    People seem to forget the Marlins have a pretty good pitching staff already, Just did not have a closer to go with it and a weak pen, that could change. They have some really good talent in the minors so they could be a beast.

    Good thing for the Braves there will be an extra wild card spot this year.

    Too bad the Braves don’t have the caljons to move Uggla to left and play Marteen at second. It would solve a multitude
    of issues.


  246. 253 berigan2electricboogaloo December 6, 2011 at 11:11 am

    I was out most of yesterday finding stuff to sell(FIY, if you like old tv shows, you MIGHT find some interesting stuff at Big Lots, just like last year around Christmas-$6 to $10, but some stores have some stuff, others none) but even though I was dead tired, loved reading all the trade rumor stuff.
    Chris Heisey sounds interesting…the Reds have tons of guys in the Minors…
    Gil, good point about Prado and Uggla…heck…really thinking out of the box…the Reds have a can’t miss hitter blocked at 3rd that isn’t supposed to be much of a defender, or at least can’t move to the outfield…I know, I know…FF is a Gold Glover(or at least should be 😕 ) but he too could move to LF. Bet he would be better defender than Uggla…might even be a GG’er.


  247. 254 berigan2electricboogaloo December 6, 2011 at 11:17 am

    thinking out of the box….outside in the street apparently…looked up the name…Yonder Alonso..and 1st base is his position, though they played him in left…hmm, interesting…here is a list of their top prospects…


  248. 255 Voice of Raisins December 6, 2011 at 11:38 am

    Yep, Alonso played some LF and is a real possibility. On the neg side, he’s another lefty and not a real strong defensive OF. On the pos side, the guy has hit a ton in the minors.

    If there is as much interest in both Prado and JJ as has been reported, Frank can make sure he’s not trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

    As to flip-flopping Prado and Uggs, it doesn’t change anything offensively, and could only have a negative effect defensively. Uggs was actually pretty good at 2B last season, but would severely suck in LF. Plus, he finally appeared to get settled in about mid-season. Let’s just let him stay settled.

    Plus, I think we’ve seen the best of Martin. That’s not bad at all, but still… I think we’ve reached his ceiling.

    The prevailing thought is that his numbers are great for a 2B, but only average for a LF. The truth is, they’re only average for a 3B as well. Nobody seems to want to go there, though. I for one have never looked forward to having Martin step in as our 3B when Chipper saunters into sunset. At that point, we’d have our own Casey Blake or Blake DeWitt. You know, serviceable but not outstanding.

    I say trade him now while there is great demand and get a real LF. 3B may take care of itself from inside the organization. (See JTerd and ESalcedo.)


  249. 256 Voice of Raisins December 6, 2011 at 1:18 pm


    They need to change their nickname from Marlins to “Drunken Sailors” the way they’re spending. Or “Democrat Lawmakers”. That’s even more appropriate since they’re doing all of this based on their new taxpayer funded ballpark.


  250. 257 Voice of Raisins December 6, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    There is suddenly alot of chatter from multiple sources surrounding Matt Thornton and the Braves. That tells us one thing: the Braves and White Sox are definitely talking.

    But it leaves more questions than answers. The Braves have not been shopping for a RP, especially a LHRP. Pre-cursor to another move? Flip? Part of a bigger, expanded deal? Gotta hear this one out…


  251. 258 Voice of Raisins December 6, 2011 at 3:00 pm

    Well, the Thornton thing was a bogus rumor leaked by Chicago. Must have been a red herring for some other thing they had going. Apparently there were zero talks between Frank and Kenny over Thornton. Sounds just like a Chisox tactic.


  252. 259 Gil in Mechanicsville December 6, 2011 at 3:47 pm

    Did not Freddi Freeman start out as a third baseman? Of course we (Braves fans) have certainly become spoiled by the spectacular defensive skills FF has learned in such a short while. Thing is, Chipper is still going to occupy 3rd for at least another year. Damn the bad knees, full speed ahead.

    Can’t worry too much about the Marlins, I will leave that up to the rest of the league. I’m still thinking that if everyone would hit like they are capable for a full season, the Braves could pretty much stand pat. What we as Braves fans know, without chemical enhancement, they can’t… Just too hard on the body to play 162 plus games.

    All that said, coming up with the big hit a tad more often would do wonders for the pen’s stamina. I mean really, does anyone really expect a reliever to make 80 appearances a season and still have anything left at the end?

    Ber.. on a different note, I am looking for a copy of “It happened One Christmas” ( It’s A Wonderful Life remake) starring Marlo Thomas. The wife has been bugging for me to get her a copy for years. Would you believe she only watched the original with Jimmy Steward the other night? So many classics, so little time…. Sigh, bless her heart, she can’t help being young…

    Anyway, only a few more days until my date with Dr. Morno… Since they are fitting me with a brace tomorrow, I thought I would look for an “Iron Man” mask and maybe a jet pack…. I took my daughters to lunch yesterday and spent 5 hours at the restaurant… Good thing it was not an all you can eat buffet or they would have thrown us out I suspect.


  253. 260 Gil in Mechanicsville December 6, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    On trade rumors… I have learned not to get my hopes up lest they be dashed. I mean, what if we could get a rumor going that the Braves signed Fat Albert to a club friendly 3 year deal of 10 mil a year. Could the Braves’ still pull that off given their financial constraints? No, I didn’t think so either… Would have to release McCann to swing the deal….

    As for the “drunken sailors” at least they spend their own money. Not like the Marlins have lavished any moolah on payroll for the past few years anyway. Maybe one of the cartels needs to laundry some money? Hey, it could happen….


  254. 261 berigan2electricboogaloo December 7, 2011 at 12:03 am

    Gil, I have bought a few things from ioffer…here is a link to the copies up now…and I do mean copies…


  255. 262 Voice of Raisins December 7, 2011 at 9:17 am

    Looking at the figures being tossed around, I wonder if next week we’ll see Occupy Pujols…


  256. 263 Voice of Raisins December 7, 2011 at 9:35 am

    10 years and $220+MM for a guy with tremendous physical talent, albeit on a “31” (that’s in Latino years) body that will break down halfway into the deal… that’s if they’re lucky. I’m guessing that St. Louis believes that MLB will force the DH down the NL’s throat before then.

    Seriously, does any reasonable person believe that Albert is just 31? And giving him the benefit of the doubt, do you really want to give $22MM to a 41 year old part-time player living on the back of his baseball card?

    I guess they’re just looking forward to that great leadership he brings. Oh, that’s right… I forgot that he’s pretty much a sullen clubhouse kind of guy. I somehow can’t see him sitting in the video room with his struggling 2nd year teammate. Nor can I see him ever restructuring his deal to give his team a little working room and facilitate bringing in a needed Free Agent.

    Makes me appreciate everything about Chipper Jones just a little more this morning.

    Upon further reflection, I hope he does go to Miami. It’ll hamper their team construction for years to come. They’d be alot better off giving that money to CJ Wilson and Mark Buehrle and letting Gaby Sanchez continue to develop into a solid player…

    … and getting a 2nd opinion on their hideous new uni’s. 😛


  257. 264 Voice of Raisins December 7, 2011 at 11:47 am

    … and here we go.


  258. 265 Voice of Raisins December 7, 2011 at 11:48 am

    They like Martin; now they like JJ.

    I could see a big ‘un coming out of this…


  259. 266 Voice of Raisins December 7, 2011 at 11:57 am

    Mr. O’B suggests the Braves are looking to keep Martin, and that Seth Smith and either Wheeler or Blackmon would be the starting point on JJ. The Braves would like to have Prado and Smith split LF. Not a bad strategy really. We’ve said a thousand times that Martin is most valuable to the Braves as a supersub. JJ would easily bring back what we are seeking. And the Rockies freed up $$$ for their rotation by trading Huston Street earlier. Just about enough to pay JJ.


  260. 267 berigan2electricboogaloo December 7, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    Looking at the figures being tossed around, I wonder if next week we’ll see Occupy Pujols
    V, thats classic! 😆


  261. 268 Gil in Mechanicsville December 7, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    Ber, thanks for the link…

    Raisins, Albert has been in considerable disfavor with the OWS crowd since he appeared on stage with Glenn Beck at the DC rally.

    Still, Albert is a great player and would be a great addition to any club for the 3 or four years they get out of him. The other 6 or 7, not so much…

    Best thing that ever happened to Texas was Alex opting out of a contract which took Texas of the hook for big money and gave them some signing room. Second best thing, cleaning out the Braves in a deal for Texiera.

    Want to know why Frank Wren stockpiles pitchers? Look at the results of that trade. Texiera proved you cannot hope to out slug every team to get to the top. Braves output improved to better than a run per game with Tex in the line up. Unfortunately, the pen let in runs like rain through a FEMA tarp…


  262. 269 Voice of Raisins December 7, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    Well… I see that Marlins officials are now checking in on the ol’ B&S also…


  263. 270 Voice of Raisins December 8, 2011 at 7:37 am

    And still a whole lot of nuthin’ for the Braves. I understand patience. I don’t have any, but I understand it. Buehrle is signed, and Wilson is not. Once Wilson signs, the JJ market will heat up. I get it. I just had a few expectations of my own entering these meetings.

    But we have learned something… that is if you believe everything that Frank says. Franks says that Pastornicky is the starting SS going into Spring. Frank says they are not actively pursuing trades; rather, others are pursuing our guys. Frank says we really have no other needs other than backup SS/IF. Frank says alot. Frank is paid to say things like that. Frank is posturing.

    I do not for a second believe that the Braves will go to Spring with Pastornicky as the starter at SS. That’s no knock on him, but he’s just a kid with relatively little experience in the high minors. And do you want to know the last time there was a playoff team with 3 everyday players under the age of 23? You have to go all the way back to the Big Red Machine. So, is that relevant in 2012. I think until that streak is broken, it’s relevant in any year. And since we already have 2 in the lineup with JHey and Freddie, I’d say it’s a good bet we’ll enter 2012 with a veteran SS. Maybe Nick Punto.

    Another thing about Pastornicky. The Braves like him, as they should. But they LOVE Andrelton Simmons. LOVE him. Most in MLB do. He does everything well except hit HR’s. Great bat, great eye, great runner, better than great glove, better than great arm. Rafael Furcal all over again. They LOVE him. He’s slated to start 2012 at AA. I still wouldn’t be surprised to see Pastornicky included in a deal for a veteran with a couple of years left on a team friendly contract. Bridge to Pastornicky? I think bridge to Simmons is a possibility. Then, when they bring Simmons up in 2014, JHey and Freddie aren’t kids anymore.

    Then again, there is the Clint Barmes/Troy Tulowitzki precedent. Barmes came up with the Rockies and looked to be a nice young SS with solid fundamentals. He had a pretty good rookie season and followed it with a pretty good sophomore season. He got hurt early in year 3, Tulo came in, and Barmes became a forgotten man in COL. Now he’s a journeyman. I see a whole lot of Pastornicky/Simmons right there.

    One more thing… I think you can also look at how many players at a time will go through their arb years together. You have to spread them out, or you’ll either have a massive salary bump all at once, or a mass exodus all at once.

    All that said, I haven’t had my first cup of coffee yet and my brain is still in a little bit of a fog. This whole rant may just be a big pile.


  264. 271 Voice of Raisins December 8, 2011 at 9:37 am

    … and as we head into the last day of the meetings, all of the FOT’s will assemble for the Rule 5 draft which effectively ends the gathering. The Braves will leave empty handed. Very anti-climactic. I have followed very closely and feel a little let down. I may need to take a little mental break. The ol’ B&S might get kinda scarce over the next couple of weeks.

    Gotta say, I’m disappointed. Patience is one thing, but I am afraid they may have turned off alot of fans that are still stinging from the epic collapse. I consider myself to be somewhat reasonable, but am still shaking my head a little. They’re gonna have a really hard time selling this team to a ticket base this offseason, which will only erode their payroll flexibility. It’s a fine line… just feels like they may have wobbled a little.

    Make no mistake… alot of the offseason is SELLING your team. Do you think the ill-clad Marlins are solely focused on the World Series with their huge splashes? Heck no! They’re selling this team to their new fan base while trying to keep the old. The Braves’ fan base isn’t buying the “standing pat” routine. They better do something or we’ll be the ones with the echos in the stands.


  265. 272 Voice of Raisins December 8, 2011 at 10:08 am

    Voice of Raisins
    December 5, 2011 at 10:01 am
    There is one possible factor that might keep Albert out of Miami. He desires a no trade clause, and it appears that the Fish are taking a hard stand on that.

    Is it wrong that I’d prefer to see Albert on a AL West team?

    My wish has been granted.

    OK, next… Is it wrong that I’d like to win the lottery?


  266. 273 Voice of Raisins December 8, 2011 at 10:09 am



  267. 274 Voice of Raisins December 8, 2011 at 10:15 am

    Uncharacteristically, the Braves have made a Rule 5 pick:

    Angels AAA LHP Robert Fish

    Clearly a move designed to take some load off Venters, who was visibly spent in the September.


  268. 275 Voice of Raisins December 8, 2011 at 10:27 am

    Per Mr. O’B:

    Robert Fish features low-90 mph fastball, pretty good curve. Heater tops out at 95.


  269. 276 Voice of Raisins December 8, 2011 at 11:21 am

    And the last really big chip falls:


  270. 277 Voice of Raisins December 8, 2011 at 11:24 am

    Well, the good news is that the market for JJ should really pick up now. The bad news is, Frank and Fredi are probably already checked out of the hotel and considering lunch destinations right about now.

    Oh well, I suppose folks have Franks digits, right?


  271. 278 berigan2electricboogaloo December 8, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    V, I know, a weird winter meeting for the Bravos, eh what???
    I think like you said though, Braves should be in the drivers seat now…teams like the Yankees , Red Sox, etc know the best bet on the trade market for a difference maker is JJ.
    CJ Wilson 5 years, 77 Mil, heard he was offered more by the Marlins (and Phat Albert was offered 275 Mil and turned it down) bet some teams like the Red Sox and Yankees are scratching their heads, but clearly in Wilson’s opinion, he’d rather pitch in a less stress filled market…


  272. 279 berigan2electricboogaloo December 8, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    Brewers To Sign Alex Gonzalez
    By Tim Dierkes [December 8, 2011 at 2:55pm CST]

    The Brewers will sign shortstop Alex Gonzalez, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. It’s a one-year deal with a vesting option for 2013, Rosenthal adds. Gonzalez will presumably take over as Milwaukee’s starting shortstop, a position occupied by Yuniesky Betancourt this year. Gonzalez is represented by Eric Goldschmidt.

    Gonzalez, 34, hit .241/.270/.372 with 15 home runs in 593 plate appearances for the Braves in 2011. UZR suggests Gonzalez was average defensively this year and above-average from 2006-10. Gonzalez seems to represent an upgrade over Betancourt, but not by much.


    once again, UZR is full of…you know what….too bad the “experts” don’t know 1/4 of what they think they know….


  273. 280 Voice of Raisins December 8, 2011 at 9:06 pm

    And that is exactly the type of veteran SS I expect Frank to nab.


  274. 281 Carolina Lady December 9, 2011 at 12:17 am

    I have thoroughly enjoyed reading all of your posts. There’s gotta be a book in there somewhere! 🙂


  275. 282 Gil in Mechanicsville December 9, 2011 at 9:28 am

    Yes CL, it would be called, “How To Run A Mid Market Baseball Franchise For Fun And Profit” or “The Prophets of BS…” take your pick 🙂


  276. 283 Gil in Mechanicsville December 9, 2011 at 9:49 am

    By the way, on the Braves landing Fish in the rule five draft, the organization has had pretty good luck with culling pitches from other teams string. I realize O’Flarerty wasn’t a rule five guy but the Bravos did pick him up off the Mariner’s scrap heap. He certainly cannot be worse than guys like Scott Proctor.

    While 50 grand is a nice chunk of coin to me, it is likely the take for the hotdog concession for one night at the Ted. Even if the Bravos have to throw him back in the pond, they are only out of $25K. A lot less than they threw away on Kershin.

    I think a lot of folks have amnesia on how good Kris Medlin was/is… His name is hardly mentioned by folks when they speak of the Braves rotation but the kid can pitch. He may end up as the long relief guy next season but I see him making a very good impression in the spring. I think he is another reason JJ might be considered expendable by the Braves.

    All that said, I still see the Braves’ success or failure hinged on Jason Heyward’s ability to perform up to a level of expectations. You just don’t want to be the ‘out” everyone looks to in the opposition’s line up. Maybe a new hitting coach can get through to him. While they are at it, the Braves might work on teaching Uggla that swinging hard at every pitch does not always translate into success. On that note, I hope he has already begun his work outs so he won’t struggle early. He really needs to be ready to go on opening day this season.


  277. 284 Voice of Raisins December 9, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    I think alot of Uggla’s early struggles could be attributed to being the high $$$ signing and to the expectations of coming to a perennial playoff team with high expectations. It seemed as though he finally made the adjustment from “big money new guy” to “Braves everyday 2B” right before the ASB. Then he was back to his old self.

    Fredi says Medlen is targeted for the pen, but wil be stretched out to do what is needed.

    As to JHey, he is already in FLA working with the new guy(s). At least that’s what I read. And he’s healthy. No thumb issues; no shoulder issues. That’s a good sign.

    Agreed that much of 2012 rides on his very wide shoulders.

    Fish will take Sherrill’s role for alot less $$ and alot more potential.

    Doing my morning scouring of my numerous reading sources, only one name seems to have escaped Frank’s highly secretive list of potential SS/backup IF, and that name is Nick Punto. I know almost nothing about Punto.

    Of course, once Ryan Theriot is non-tendered, he’s likely to zoom to the top of that secret list. He’s alot like Walt Weiss… not blessed with the range or grace of Gonzo, but a hard-nosed gamer. BC’s kinda guy for sure. Maybe Fredi’s kind of guy too. He’s a high OBP guy who can steal a base here and there. And he doesn’t strike out alot. Maybe a good #2 candidate behind Bourn-eo. Or #8 (or 9) guy like Constanza, just without the jet-pack.


  278. 285 Voice of Raisins December 9, 2011 at 2:11 pm

    Looked at Punto’s profile… didn’t like it. Not even worth posting. Poor man’s Martin Prado, if you ask me. Not a primary SS.


  279. 286 Gil in Mechanicsville December 9, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    Looking at Ryan Theriot’s history, looks like he wanted about the same money as AGon but has less pop in his bat. I can remember seeing him play for the Cubs in several games as was not overly impressed, but, what do I know. He could be the second coming of Cal Ripken, but with less power, and lower BA, and not as much range… but still…


  280. 287 Voice of Raisins December 9, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    I think Gonzo’s .270 (atrocious) OBP was his undoing. I can remember way too many u-turns at the plate with RISP. Theriot sported a .321 OBP last season. 30 points higher in avg. last season, too. Alex’s 15 HR’s was the big offensive difference, but he only drove in 9 more runs (56-47). Go figure.


  281. 288 berigan2electricboogaloo December 10, 2011 at 10:41 am

    V, I do believe you are right about Gonzo…just hard to get excited about a guy because his OBP is higher…but…playing for the Cards may help. For all of LaRussa’s faults, he made sure guys played the game right, and I bet someone like the riot can get a sac fly when needed…I’d love to see SF stats on players around the league…braves have to have been at the bottom of the league…
    I know Jorge is probably not at the top of the braves wants…plus he is a weird cat, in that(Hey that rhymes !) he can only play catcher/1st base/DH, and he can’t hit from the right side anymore, for some reason…but, he’s been on dozens of winners, can be a 3rd string catcher, and I also think you could call him off the bench to get a SF. I know, we need a replacement for Brooks more(IF they don’t bring him back) but we need to win close games most of all….


  282. 289 Gil in Mechanicsville December 10, 2011 at 10:48 am

    I have a sneaky suspicion Gonzo was playing hurt a lot in August and September. It was what it was.

    Pretty decent interview with Freddi G by DOB in the AJC. Hey, look at me, I can text…. 🙂

    Okay, maybe not.

    Anyway, watching the Braves in September was like watching a train wreck about to happen for most Braves fans, it’s too horrible to look but you can’t turn away.


  283. 290 Gil in Mechanicsville December 10, 2011 at 11:51 am

    On a different note, kinda… I have had a somewhat similar feeling towards the Braves collapse as Freddi G in that I am only now able to watch the MLB network.


  284. 291 berigan2electricboogaloo December 12, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    hello??? is there anyone out there??? dont know any more lyrics from that Pink Floyd song….
    in braking news…I nearly broke my finger closing it in car door. 😦
    havent fdone that in a few decades. so much blood under nail I tried something mention in nyt health blog about….glup…stop reading if easily queasy..heating a paper clip to melt nail and drain blood…they said most people dont feel pain from this. should no better than to trust nyt…wow did that hurt…and the blood didnt come out had to try over and over and finally heating up a needle got some blood out…helped for like 10 minutes. tried later in same hole but couldnt do much but cause pain…

    gil just remembered your surgery is coming up….best of luck and you will Dance like Fred Astaire afterwords just a matter of its te 55 or 75 yo Fred. 😉 and if u watch thats entertainment 2 , the 75+ fred is better than most of us


  285. 292 Gil in Mechanicsville December 12, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    Ber, I feel for you son… A blood blister under a nail is never a fun thing but left to its on devices, it will dissipate after several months. The pain should ease up after a day or two. Now, however, you will have to be very careful you don’t get an infection since to have opened a pathway to the outside world…

    Yes, the big day is tomorrow. My hope is to wake up in three months and feel absolutely great, no pain, no problems walking… That said, my short term goal is to be able to walk under my own power to the toilet, number two is to be able to do number two without assistance before, during or after….

    Long term goal is to be able to play golf again. I do not have to play well, I do not let things like keeping score deter me from an enjoyable outing. Hey, something I picked up from watching my kids play youth soccer and T-ball. Just enjoy the game, who care about winning… ? A lot like spring training games, but different…

    So, good news bad news for Milwaukee, Braun getting tested positive for PEDs but signed Alexis Ramries. Looks like they are lining up to replace Fielder’s RBIs at a cheaper price than Prince is asking.

    Doesn’t seem like eons ago that the Braves made their deals prior to the Baseball meetings. Now we are likely waiting until spring training to do the deed. Too bad the Braves did not pick up Morse last year form the Cardinals before being signed by the Nats. Would have been the solution on so many levels for the Braves in 2011.

    Oh well, I guess there is another journeyman outfielder the Braves can pick up on a minor league contract before April at league minimum. Just saying…


  286. 293 berigan2electricboogaloo December 13, 2011 at 12:37 am

    Gil, best of luck! Will pray for a speedy recovery! Mom was a bit weak at first, had trouble getting off her toilet, but the biggest difference right away was the huge reduction in pain….. Heres to future golf games! 🙂


  287. 294 Voice of Raisins December 13, 2011 at 10:34 am

    Gil! I probably missed you before you have headed out, but best of luck to you. Actually, I don’t believe in luck, but I do believe in blessing, and I have prayed for you today. We are placing you on the 15 day DL, and are looking forward to your getting in a few rehab appearances.

    Get well soon, buddy!


  288. 295 Voice of Raisins December 13, 2011 at 10:40 am

    And the Braves have non-tendered Pete Moylan (not unexpected) and also Brooks Conrad. We all expect, of course, that they will resign Pete to a more team friendly deal. As for Brooks… well, I am not so sure.

    Also, scanning the NL list of non-tenders, who might interest the Braves?

    Maybe Ryan Spilborghs, Jeremy Hermida, Jeff Keppinger… but I think I was mistaken about Ryan Theriot. Apparently his glove is more shaky than PresBo’s economic policies. Well, maybe not that bad…


  289. 296 Voice of Raisins December 13, 2011 at 10:48 am

    Interesting that Conrad was non-tendered before reaching arb eligibility. That is a rarity. Mr. O’B speculates that it could have been done to remove him from the 40-man roster without having to pass him through waivers. This way, they can re-sign him with an invite to Spring Training, and open a 40-man roster spot in the process.

    Interesting indeed…


  290. 297 Voice of Raisins December 13, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    After further clarification from the beat writer, there is really no intrigue at all. Conrad’s time with the Bravos appears to be over. His inability to play SS cost him his roster spot. He actually had a minor league option, so could have just been sent down. That said, it would not have taken him off the 40-man roster, so who knows?


  291. 298 berigan2electricboogaloo December 13, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    V, I like Mr Conrad…not just because of the name!;) But he only hit .196 the 2nd half of the season…I like the pop off the bench, but he like most hitters forgot how to hit last part of the season…ha, I was going to say if only he could hit right handed… .294 right handed .202 as a lefty…never mind…


  292. 299 Voice of Raisins December 14, 2011 at 7:02 am

    Adam Jones? I have heard his name on some chatter. Don’t know if there is any shred of credibility to be found there, but he’d sure fit a need here. That’s one to ask Santa for…


  293. 300 Voice of Raisins December 14, 2011 at 7:07 am

    Regarding Conrad…

    Hey, he’s a nice bat to come off the bench in late innings. He has certainly provided his share of highlites, and has proven to be clutch at times. But the dude has hands of stone, and unless you’re a boxer, that’s not a good trait.

    Plus, we already have Hinske as our lefty off the bench, and Matt Diaz as our righty off the bench. Acquiring a real RH LF makes having a defensively challenged Conrad expendable. Just not enough roster spots since we still need a backup SS/IF. Nick Punto’s name is coming up more and more as the guy Frank wants. Fits the profile. We’ll see…


  294. 301 Carolina Lady December 14, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    A note from Miss Josie that she asked me to share with you:
    “…Gil had his surgery yesterday, he was in surgery for 6 hours and had extensive work done to his T-11 and T-12, and L 1-5. He is in a monitoring type room for right now. He didn’t get out of recovery until 9:30 last night. He is in extreme pain and will be in the hospital for a while, not sure how long yet. Then he will go to rehab for a while. I wanted to let you know and please share this with others he knows. He is it St Mary’s room 442. I will let all know how he is doing when I can. Thank you for the prayers and thoughts. Blessings and Merry Christmas. Don’t know if you have my cell # but email me at vaquietlife@aol.com and will send it to you so you can say hello. He would love to hear from you. Always, JoAnn”

    V, we might need to go to a 60-day DL.


  295. 302 Voice of Raisins December 14, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    60-day DL indeed…

    And Nick Punto will go to the Red Sox on a 2 year deal, to replace Jed Lowrie who was traded to the Astros. Suddenly, there are no more SS left on the market. I think Frank miscalculated.

    I understand Jeff Blauser would take a 1 year deal… 🙄


  296. 303 berigan2electricboogaloo December 15, 2011 at 4:15 am

    CL, thanks for the update! Poor Gil! 😦 I sent an email to Josie….

    V, well….it’s a bit risky, but maybe they are going to go with the rookie then…I don’t know….Renteria still out there???

    Read that Luke Scott was let go by Baltimore…he had several injuries last year, but from 2008, to 2010, his home run totals were, 23, 25, and 27, and has a .349 OBP for the career. Of course, he bats left handed, but wouldn’t he and Diaz make a potent LF’er/Ph’er/backup1stbasemen????


  297. 304 Voice of Raisins December 15, 2011 at 7:34 am

    Luke Scott would be nice in LF, but the $5MM+ annually he’ll likely command will NOT fit nicely in the budget. That’s why he was non-tendered by the O’s. He’s a nice complimentary player (no D at all), but not a feature guy, and not worth the $$$, at least not to a mid-level team. To the Yanks, Bosox or Dodgers, it’s just a drop in the very large bucket.

    I am concerned. I really am. I don’t mind a rookie at SS if there is an offensive upgrade somewhere else, but the longer this offseason goes, the more I feel we’ll see minimal change. I hope Frank proves me wrong. That, plus starting a rookie usually means you have a veteran backup plan. Frank has not only failed thus far to acquire that, the market is rapidly vanishing. I really thought Punto was the guy, but he was signed by Boston yesterday. This whole “1 year contract” thing has become a bit baffling to me. I could see it when the talk was as a “bridge” to Pastornicky. But now that Pastornicky is “the guy”, don’t you want a backup for more than just 1 year? Do you really want to be doing this again next year, with next year’s elevated salary demands? I don’t. It doesn’t make sense anymore.

    It’s all turned a little murky to me. I cannot figure out the roadmap anymore. My hope is that Frank has a good plan, and is just keeping typically tight lipped about it. Otherwise… well, maybe he’ll stop and ask directions from somebody.


  298. 305 Voice of Raisins December 15, 2011 at 7:36 am

    Renteria? No longer a strong defender; no longer a strong bat; no longer a strong candidate.


  299. 306 berigan2electricboogaloo December 15, 2011 at 11:08 am

    V, I see what you mean with Renteria…very blah numbers…I just wonder if there has to be a warm body, someone that you won’t cringe play after play, in case Pastornicky hits .130 and makes 20 errors in ST….

    Perhaps Frank is thinking the team can get really lucky like the Yankees did last year and have every single gamble pay off…just doesn’t seem like the braves kind of luck to me….

    That, or he’s thinking lets see how everyone performs out of the gate…say JJ has a 1.80 ERA for April, Prado is hitting .290 in left, then he can get more for them, just seems a bit greedy(Not that there is anything wrong with that!` 😉 ) when you have so many potential starters…but we know the team is cheap…err, trying to be sensible with expenditures right now….don’t know what happens to the clock of some of the young starters who have already had a cup of coffee, if it would really help the team to have them spend 3-4 more months getting “seasoning”….


  300. 307 berigan2electricboogaloo December 15, 2011 at 11:45 am

    Oh boy V, our prayers have been answered! 🙄
    Braves Interested In Ronny Cedeno
    By Ben Nicholson-Smith [December 15 at 9:19am CST]

    The Braves are among the teams interested in free agent shortstop Ronny Cedeno, according to David O’Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution (on Twitter). The Peter E. Greenberg & Associates client has been on Atlanta’s backup shortstop and utility list all offseason, O’Brien reports.

    The Pirates declined Cedeno’s option earlier this offseason, after he posted a .249/.297/.339 line in 454 plate appearances. The 28-year-old posted a strong 6.8 UZR/150 at shortstop this past season, though his career mark of -1.6 UZR/150 is slightly below average. The Red Sox and Pirates were also linked to Cedeno earlier this offseason, but they’ve since added depth in Nick Punto and Clint Barmes, respectively.


    yet another light hitting, no OBP guy, only unlike Gonzo, no occasional pop…how is he better than Jack Wilson???? Cheaper????


  301. 308 Voice of Raisins December 15, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    This well describes the diminished SS market:


    Honestly, I’d just as soon re-sign Jack Wilson. He’ll probably get 2 years from someone else, though… 🙄


  302. 309 Voice of Raisins December 15, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    And that is a good example of what happens when you type something and fail to hit the “POST” button, then discover it later. Ber, you beat me to it… 😀


  303. 310 Voice of Raisins December 16, 2011 at 11:50 am

    This guy has a pretty simple take on the Braves. Can’t say I disagree at all.


    In a nutshell, he says 1. trade nobody, 2. sign a backup SS, 3. sign a FA LF masher ala Luke Scott or Ryan Ludwick, and play the 2012 season. Prado gets plenty of playing time splitting LF duties and spelling 3B and 2B. Keep all the pitchers since JJ and Tommy are health risks.

    Honestly, it’s very simplistic, but also pretty pragmatic. And it’s very realistic.


  304. 311 berigan2electricboogaloo December 16, 2011 at 8:44 pm

    V, like his comments on the Marlins too! 😉
    I don’t know…it is possible the Braves will have starters injured early, and we will be glad to have all the arms….hopefully the Nats don’t go after Prince…otherwise we could possibly be looking up at the Nats, Marlins and Phils for much of the year…


  305. 312 Voice of Raisins December 17, 2011 at 10:22 am

    Ber, I don’t know that the Braves will be looking up at the Marlins. Does Reyes do that much for them? Did he elevate the Mets to anything… that is when he wasn’t injured? Not in my estimation. And they have now alienated their biggest star Hanley Ramirez. They’ll be good… yes. But I truly do not believe they have passed the Braves. Pitching is still the great equalizer, and the Braves have the edge there. Of course, I’d love to be looking at big Mike Stanton every night, but that’s OK.

    The Braves still have needs. But there is still a couple of months left. Alot rides on the very wide shoulders of one Jason Heyward. I’d like to think we could find another set of wide shoulders to place in the other corner…


  306. 313 berigan2electricboogaloo December 17, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    Well, I think the mets are going to be a pinata w/o him there. He made sure the guys batting behind him got a lot more fastballs, distracted the pitchers, etc, etc..I’m sure he will be a thorn in the side of the braves (when he is able to play)
    Don’t forget, they have a better closer in Heath Bell, and LEFT HANDED starter Mark Buehrle will be hated by braves fans for years….Hanley Ramirez has a .306 career BA and hit .243 last year. He really should shut up and play. If he returns to form, and Josh Johnson is the same pitcher as before the injury, they should be a force.
    I may sound negative about the braves(Cuz it’s so easy as a fan to bash your home team! 😉 ) and I don’t expect them to beat the Phils(unless the phils suffer starting pitching injuries ) they hopefully will compete at least for the WC and whatever that other playoff position will be called…
    But yeah, a lot rides on JHey’s shoulders…


  307. 314 Voice of Raisins December 17, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    Hanley was already a malcontent before Reyes arrived and took his position. No way that’ll work. I’ll set the over/under on games played by Reyes at 100. In fact, I’ll bet Chipper plays in more than Reyes. Not impressed by Buehrle. Bell? Eh. He’s no Kimbrell. The Marlins have more “if’s” than the Braves. They took risks for sure, but no way they all pan out. The Reyes/Hanley issue will be a cancer there.

    That said, the Braves still have some work to do. If we stand exactly as we are now, we won’t compete with the Phils… the aging Phils… the getting creeky Phils… the Howard-less for a while Phils…


  308. 315 Voice of Raisins December 17, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    BIG Reds trade. One less suitor for JJ.


  309. 316 berigan2electricboogaloo December 17, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    Buehrle’s stuff isn’t impressive, but he is, IMO. 200+ innings every year since 2001, 3.83 ERA in the DH league…and did I mention, LEFT HANDED??? 😉 He will chew up and spit out the braves every time. If that 50 year old for the Nats can do it, he sure will…but, that will only happen what, 4-5 games a year??? HRam will be interesting…Red Sox showed some interest…they hate that they had to give him up to get Josh Beckett. They can try to buy low too, but they will have to give up a lot. Don’t know if they have that much left…anyway…new stadium, actual fans in the seats, bad season, he might still want to show he’s the best player there…or not. enough on him…

    Man, is it just me, or did the Reds give up way too much??? Yonder Alonso(of course a lefty) would have looked great in left(or at least at the plate) Yasmani Grandal would allow the Braves to either move Brian to left/1st/Full time DH league(no I don’t want to trade him!) in 2 years. and Edinson Vólquez…well, he fits in much better in SD, it’s true…but could have traded him off with Prado…I don’t know…just an awfully quiet off season so far….


  310. 317 Voice of Raisins December 17, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    Reds way overpaid no doubt. We’ll just have to agree to disagree on the Marlins. They have to show me. Then I might believe. It’s bad enough to have 2 “stars” that play the same position, but 2 Prima Donnas? Glad it’s them and not us. Bad chemistry. Bad news.


  311. 318 Carolina Lady December 18, 2011 at 1:46 pm

    Hi Margie Gil improving but not a fast as they thought, he will be leaving this hospital tomorrow, still not sure where he will be going. Either a really good rehab center or a nursing home with some rehab. They will tell us in the morning. He has to get his mind and body ready for the things he will have to do, and learning a new normal. I have been with him all I can 12-14 hours a day, it has been a long week. Please keep him in your prayers. Also please let his friends on the blog know how he is doing. Thank you and God bless JoAnn

    She also commented in another note that he was depressed today. As soon as he is up to it, I’ll give him a call and will share the number if JoAnn agrees. He has a pretty hard road ahead of him!


  312. 320 berigan2electricboogaloo December 20, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    Thanks for the update CL, still praying for him!


  313. 321 berigan2electricboogaloo December 20, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    Now, baseball….V, a bit of thinking outside the box here…just read that Diamondbacks signed Jason Kubel so their gold glove winning left fielder, Geradro Parra is now a 4th outfielder…I didn’t think he had much of a bat, but he sounds like a perfect 2 hole hitter. 8 Hr’s 46 RBIs, 15 steals(caught only once) .292 BA, .357 OBP. Oh, he’s only 24 to boot…though, is he really better than Prado??? Well, defensively and age wise yes…Seth Smith only hit 15 HR’s playing in that launching pad…both Parra and Smith are lefties…of course….

    I also see that Yu Darvish derby was won by the Rangers…I’m sure you had also read that the Blue Jays had supposedly put in a “monster” offer for him, and lost. They need a #2 starter badly. JJ of course fits that to a T . Now, who do they have that we could use???


  314. 322 Voice of Raisins December 20, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    Parra is only a 4th OF at best… no bat. I’d rather have Prado. I see Smith as only a piece of what the Braves really want, which is one of their young CF prospects. If the Braves can pry one of those guys away, preferably Wheeler, then you can live with a Smith/Diaz platoon for 2012. And the way those 2 historically split, that might not be such a bad thing. But Seth Smith is in no way the center of what the Braves are trying to acquire. Honestly, I’d rather hang onto Prado and concentrate on trading JJ.


  315. 323 Voice of Raisins December 20, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    And I think the Jays do have a few OF they might could part with. I’ll go check that out…


  316. 324 Voice of Raisins December 20, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    Travis Snider is interesting… not sure if he is exactly what Frank is looking for, but interesting nonetheless.


  317. 325 Voice of Raisins December 20, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    So the Royals sign Yuni Betancourt to a 1 year deal for $2MM + a possible $500K in incentives. The guy plays SS, 3B and 2B. Great glove, so so bat. Fairly young guy with ML experience as a starting SS.

    What exactly is Frank looking for, anyway?


  318. 326 Voice of Raisins December 20, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    Or better yet, is Frank looking?


  319. 327 Voice of Raisins December 21, 2011 at 9:13 am


    MLB.com’s Mark Bowman gets a feel that the Braves were close to a deal with Cincy last weekend to send JJ to the Reds for a haul, but it was derailed at the last minute when the Reds did business with SD instead. According to Bowman, the Rockies felt that once the Braves/Reds deal was done, they’d get their deal done for Prado.

    I understand the virtue of patience. I really do. But perception is a powerful thing, and the perception of many fans is that the team who collapsed in epic fashion and blew a 10 1/2 game WC lead is simply standing pat. I read it in so many of the publications that I scan.

    Frank has work to do, not just to shore up his squad, but to win back a legion of bitter fans. Not an easy task, if you ask me…


  320. 328 Voice of Raisins December 21, 2011 at 9:27 am

    And I gotta tell you, I am still a little perplexed at this stand of finding a cheap backup SS that can backup 3B as well on a 1 year deal. If you’ve set Pastornicky as your starter, as apparently Frank has, why the 1 year deal for backup? Do you want to replay this drama next offseason also? There MUST be reason to this rhyme, but it sure isn’t apparent.


  321. 329 berigan2electricboogaloo December 21, 2011 at 10:22 am

    Yeah, they don’t want to get out of the gate slowly and not have fans showing up, that would be deadly! Yankees did it last year, but about the only team I have ever seen do that…plus they did have a great team, outside of starting pitching…


  322. 330 berigan2electricboogaloo December 21, 2011 at 10:23 am

    Just saw this…
    Orioles Turned Down Braves’ Offer For Adam Jones
    By Luke Adams [December 21 at 9:03am CST]

    The Braves made a run at Orioles outfielder Adam Jones earlier this month, according to Dan Connolly of the Baltimore Sun. Connolly reports that Atlanta offered Jair Jurrjens, Martin Prado, and a pitching prospect for Jones, but the O’s “didn’t bite,” indicating how much they value their center fielder.

    It was reported earlier in the month that the Orioles and Braves talked about Jurrjens and Prado, though it hadn’t been confirmed that Jones was also discussed…
    Can’t blame them, he’s a guy you build a team around, not trade away…


  323. 331 berigan2electricboogaloo December 21, 2011 at 10:31 am

    and who plays shortstop of Tyler Pastornicky hits .180 in April??? Hope his defense is so good you just keep playing him??? What if he pulls a hammy?? Who exactly would back up now???


  324. 332 Voice of Raisins December 21, 2011 at 10:35 am

    Dan Connolly, Orioles Insider:

    Adam Jones is the team’s [Orioles’] best trade chip. But unless the Orioles get a front-line pitcher in return, I don’t see them dealing Jones. The Atlanta Braves made a run this month, offering second baseman-outfielder Martin Prado, starter Jair Jurrjens and, eventually, a pitching prospect, and the Orioles didn’t bite. So that tells you just how much they value their center fielder. (Jurrjens looked like a front-line starter in the first half of 2011, but there have been some durability concerns surrounding the 25-year-old righty since his 215-inning season in 2009.)

    That is a pretty stout offer. Personally, I’m glad that one didn’t fly…


  325. 333 Voice of Raisins December 21, 2011 at 10:38 am

    Ber is on the spot this morning! You got the jump on me, bruh… 😀


  326. 334 Voice of Raisins December 21, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    Another cheap veteran SS goes by the wayside as Cesar Izturis takes a minor league deal with the Brewers. There has to be a reason Frank continues to watch this market dwindle…


  327. 335 Voice of Raisins December 21, 2011 at 2:22 pm

    According to my calculations, the only FA SS’s remaining unsigned are Edgar Renteria (too old) and Ronny Cedeno (yawn). The Braves have said they have “targeted” Cedeno, although I honestly cannot figure out why. And I suppose given that he’s the only real option left on the board, why isn’t it getting done?

    Frank is up to something. He must be. Things just don’t add up at the moment.


  328. 336 Voice of Raisins December 21, 2011 at 4:32 pm


    Braves did not offer Jurrjens and Prado to the Orioles

    The Braves expressed interest in Adam Jones. But they did not offer Martin Prado and Jair Jurrjens to the Orioles in exchange for the outfielder.

    A source with knowledge of the Orioles negotiations disputed a Baltimore Sun report that indicated the Braves were rejected when they offered Prado, Jurrjens and a pitching prospect for Jones.

    The source said the Braves were told Jones was unavailable when they asked about him a couple weeks ago. The Orioles later called the Braves to see if they would trade Prado, Jurrjens and two other “premium guys” in exchange for Jones.

    The Braves said they were not interested and the two clubs have not had any recent discussions about these players.

    And that makes alot more sense…


  329. 337 berigan2electricboogaloo December 21, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    Yeah, that sure does!
    I thought he was a bit more of a stud than his numbers show right now….OBP isn’t much to write home about either…


  330. 338 berigan2electricboogaloo December 22, 2011 at 4:09 am

    Mark DeRosa even signed with..well, someone…too tired to look it up right now…think someone misdiagnosed his wrist problem, something, he has had two lost years. But, would have been a safe bet to back up at 3rd, outfield…but I don’t thing SS. Oh well, what do we say when only Renteria is left, and then signs with another club???


  331. 339 Voice of Raisins December 22, 2011 at 6:38 am

    Jon Heyman:

    Jair Jurrjens has drawn some interest from the Orioles, Red Sox, Blue Jays, Rockies, Tigers, Rangers and others.



  332. 340 berigan2electricboogaloo December 22, 2011 at 3:07 pm

    V, et all,want a good larf????

    Braves, Orioles Discussed Jones, Pitchers
    By Ben Nicholson-Smith [December 22, 2011 at 9:32am CST]

    The Braves and Orioles discussed a possible Adam Jones trade recently, but talks didn’t progress far, ESPN.com’s Jerry Crasnick reports (all Twitter links). The Orioles wanted Jair Jurrjens, Martin Prado and at least two of Brandon Beachy, Mike Minor, Julio Teheran, Arodys Vizcaino and Randall Delgado. The Braves weren’t interested at that price, Crasnick writes.

    Conflicting reports about the Braves’ interest level in Jones emerged yesterday, but it appears some preliminary discussions occurred. Orioles GM Dan Duquette joined Jim Bowden and Casey Stern on MLB Network Radio this week and explained that the Orioles are trying to “build around” Jones. “When you have some good players, other teams are interested,” he said. “We’re not marketing Adam Jones.” However, he stopped short of guaranteeing that Jones would stay put.



  333. 341 Voice of Raisins December 22, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    And the Nats are adding Gio Gonzalez, a tough young lefty from Oakland. This division is turning into a meat grinder. 😐

    C’mon, Frank. The longer we sit still, the behinder we are getting!


  334. 342 berigan2electricboogaloo December 22, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    V, perhaps Frank is really “glass half full”….and has nearly the patience of Job!

    IF Prado hits .307 like he did in both 2009 and 2010 (instead of .260 like last year) that will make the 2012 team better.

    IF McCann goes back to hitting closer to his .286 BA career ba and the 90 RBI’s he averaged from 2005 to 2009, the team will be better.

    IF Jhey hits .277 instead of .227, the team will be better…

    But, that’s a lot of IF’s without talking about Chipper, FF (and sophomore slumps) rookie SS…overworked relievers….


  335. 343 Voice of Raisins December 22, 2011 at 11:30 pm

    I’d like to keep Prado as super-sub, go and get Marlon Byrd from the Cubs for LF, since they are officially blowing up their roster, and trade JJ for a real SS.

    That would make me very happy.


  336. 344 berigan2electricboogaloo December 23, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    It’s kinda tough watching other teams make moves to improve themselves (especially within the division) and watching the braves…say as constructed, they are a swell team.

    Here is DOB talking about the money issue in a comment on his latest blog…


    More I think about it, I think Wren is probably hamstrung at this point…can’t say they can’t afford to take on anyone new without trading folks like Prado and JJ though I am sure teams know this, and didn’t offer as much as they would other teams…and we all know once the season starts, there just aren’t big trades made in April or May, since teams don’t know where they stand…and now with more teams making the playoffs, there will be less desire tahn every to trade a good player, right????


  337. 346 Voice of Raisins December 24, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    Merry Christmas to all of you! Gil, wherever you are, I hope this word reaches you. We are missing you here.


  338. 347 berigan2electricboogaloo December 25, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    Merry Christmas everyone!!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂


  339. 348 Carolina Lady December 25, 2011 at 8:39 pm

    I finally heard from JoAnn:
    “Update on Gil, he is in rehab at Sheltering Arms and will be there until sometime after the new year. He has a long road of recovery ahead of him. Please keep him in all your prayers. Thank you and I pray all had a Merry Christmas, take care and God Bless everyone.”

    I get the feeling that this is a lot more than he bargained for – but, when I saw them this fall, moving, walking was getting more and more painful with each step. He had said that he didn’t really have a choice.

    And – while y’all are praying, if you have time, would you please add me to your prayers? Last checkup last week wasn’t all that good and my doctor is setting up appointments with a neurologist (don’t know exactly when, they’ll call me). Symptoms of MS. We have prayed here and rebuked the source, calling in God’s own healing to replace it. Thanks!


  340. 349 berigan2electricboogaloo December 26, 2011 at 8:56 am

    Poor Gil! 😦 Well, it will all be worth it someday…perhaps not that soon, but someday!

    CL, I will be praying for it not to be MS or anything like it! Everyone here has to get well, and soon!


  341. 350 Carolina Lady December 26, 2011 at 2:53 pm


    “Gil is in good sprites and he is trying, but it will be a very long time before he is anywhere near normal. He has two steel rods, 16 screws and donor bones in his back, He has a 18″ incision. They are even having to teach him to be able to lift his legs again. He will use a walker, wheel chair and other things for a long time to come, if not the rest of his life. He will have to learn a new normal. I am hanging in here, but I have had some very very low points. The first hospital dropped him in the floor and I think that has my breaking point. It was the worst hospital I have ever had to deal with and I am not sure if I may not contact some legal advice, it was a total 10 days of hell. This rehab center is wonderful, but not enought staff on the weekends. But I can deal with that. I will keep you inform. Hope you had a great Christams”


  342. 351 Voice of Raisins December 26, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    Thanks for the update. Is there an address that we can send Gil a letter or anything? What can Gil use, aside from encouragement and prayer? I can handle the prayer part.

    Gil and Mrs. Josie, I will be praying for you both. My family will be praying for you both. I would love to know of anything you might need….


  343. 352 Carolina Lady December 27, 2011 at 12:15 am

    I will get one from her – though she catches me whenever she can. She’s spending upwards of 12 – 16 hours a day with Gil. She and Gil are such wonderful, gracious people. They just shouldn’t have to go through this. I have told Josie several times that if she needs a hand to CALL me immediately and I’ll be on the way up there. I’ll continue to update whenever I can get in touch with her.


  344. 353 berigan2electricboogaloo December 28, 2011 at 10:35 am

    Hey all…Josie gave me Gil’s phone # for the room he’s staying in, and finally got a hold of him yesterday. He said it was a good thing I got him yesterday, instead of Monday, as he was in quite a bit of pain then! He was doing much better yesterday, said first day since surgery he wasn’t in a lot of pain, so thats great! Talked some baseball(surprising, eh what? 😉 ) cars, and other stuff. Nice to finally talk to Gil, put a voice with the face.
    Thinks in a week or so, he will be back online. So that’s good.

    I’m sure he’d love to hear from you all, if you haven’t called already!


  345. 354 Voice of Raisins December 29, 2011 at 9:37 am

    Other teams are active; the Braves are on ice. I am getting very antsy. All of these potential trade pieces are just going away…. Josh Reddick being the latest.

    Frank… even true diehards like me are dissatisfied! What about the less serious fan?

    The Braves are losing their fanbase, and that will only result in less revenue and lower payroll. Again. I hate being only a minor player, but dangit, lets at least be a player! Sitting on the sidelines watching everyone else improve sux… 😡


  346. 355 berigan2electricboogaloo December 29, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    V, I’m scratching my head right now too! NO TEAM goes the offseason without making a move of some sort (releasing Brooks ain’t exactly going to make us better unless they sign someone better than him, right?)

    Hopefully, The Riot will be signed by the braves, and not some other team….Or the 22 SS has a ROY type season…yes, lets count on that…


  347. 356 Voice of Raisins December 29, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    It appears that they have to trade Martin or Jair to have any money at all. I am right in the middle of the “I am sick of our payroll limits” train.


  348. 357 Voice of Raisins December 30, 2011 at 11:18 am

    I am of the opinion that Frank is holding out for Tim Wheeler to be included, the Rox are holding out for Frank to pick someone else. It’s really a matter of who will blink first. Frank won’t blink.


  349. 358 Voice of Raisins December 30, 2011 at 11:20 am

    I think they will. They have Dexter Fowler, whom they say they won’t trade. They are just posturing trying to get Frank to sweeten the pot. They like JJ, too, so the whole thing could get expanded. Time will tell…


  350. 359 Voice of Raisins December 30, 2011 at 11:21 am

    See above…


  351. 360 Voice of Raisins December 31, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    Carlos Quentin is traded from the Chisox to the Padres. Another hitter off the board. Meanwhile, we sit. And wait.


  352. 361 Carolina Lady December 31, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    How did we do in 2011: (from WordPress)

    Talked to Gil for a short time this afternoon. He admitted that he wasn’t expecting this degree of pain and difficulty in his recovery. Jo said he would probably be in the recovery facility for at least 3 more weeks. Gil says a week or week and a half.

    He also swore that she was about to kill him. She’s making him do the exercises, he doesn’t want to. He said some of those muscles haven’t been used in years, why should they now?

    Ber, he said he really enjoyed talking to you!

    Raisins, I told him that we had put him of the 60-day DL and he laughed. He’s really hoping that he’ll be able to enjoy Spring Training, but he’s going to really miss going down there.


  353. 362 Carolina Lady December 31, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    We have a fresh “piece of paper” to write on – Took me all of 3 minutes! 🙂



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