#167: Trust The Gut

 

Vox O’Reason

 

As of today, here are the moves my gut says will happen over the next 18 days, in the order of how certain I feel they’ll happen…

 

 

Albies

Ozzie Albans

brandonphillips

Brandon Phillips

 

Brandon Phillips will be traded and Ozzie will be promoted. This one is almost a lock. Ozzie Albies is ready and Brandon’s contract is very friendly. This one is a no-brainer.

 

 

 

 

MattAdams

Matt Adams

 

Matt Adams will be traded. First, his breakout early season here put him on the radar, but he has come back to earth a bit recently. The time is right now. He’s controllable for a couple of years and has a team friendly contract, making him easier to move.

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Johan Carmarga

 

 

 

Johan Camargo has emerged as a real answer at 3B, where our franchise cornerstone 1B is currently residing like a square peg in a round hole. Adams will be traded and Freddie Freeman will rightfully return to 1B while Johan assumes the primary duties at 3B. All will be right with the world. Sean Rodriguez will then join the team as the super-sub he was intended to be and play all over the field.

 

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Jaime Garcia

Jaime Garcia will be traded. He won’t bring back what we hoped he might a month ago, but we’ll get something, and we’ll like it.

 

Hard to say what the corresponding pitching move might be.

KrisMedlin

Kris Medlin

 

Not sure Kris Medlen is ready, but he seems a possibility. Lucas Sims is also a possibility. Of course, Coppy trading for his elusive “ace” is also a possibility, although a remote one. Regardless, Garcia will be moved since he was only intended as a half season bridge anyway.

 

Those moves I feel fairly strongly about. Here are some I think could happen, but I’m not as certain…

 

 

Jason Motte

Jason Motte

JimJohnson

Jim Johnson

Jim Johnson could be traded. His value is not very high at the moment, but he happens to be a bullpen arm at a time when bullpen arms are in high demand. If Arodys Vizcaino was healthy, I’d see him as a stronger trade candidate, but since he’s not, JimmyJohn is the guy. Jason Motte is also a possibility here, although a lesser one.

 

 

 

MattKemp

Matt Kemp

 

Nick Markakis could be traded. Up until very recently I felt the team would keep him through at least the middle of next season. But the fact that Ronald Acuna just got bumped to AAA tells me that the Johns feel The Answer To Everything could contribute very soon. I think that truncates Nick’s timeline. I do not think Matt Kemp will be traded. He just fits here for the time being, both on the field and in the clubhouse.

 

AnthonRecker

Anthony Recker

 

 

One of Kurt Suzuki or Tyler Flowers could be moved. I don’t feel really strongly about this one, but the demand for catching could make it happen if the right offer came across Coppy’s desk. It could also be hastened if Coppy receives a decent catching prospect in any of the above mentioned deals. The Flowers/Suzuki tandem has been very good, but Anthony Recker proved last year he can be a capable backup if called upon.

 

That’s it for me. That’s all my gut tells me. Then again, I could just be hungry.

VOR

 

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265 Responses to “#167: Trust The Gut”


  1. 1 Carolina Lady July 14, 2017 at 8:33 pm

    Just great, Vee! Many thanks!! (I take no responsibility for the idior “editor” WordPress makes me use! Sorry I couldn’t get the positioning better.)

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  2. 2 Gil in Mechanicsville July 14, 2017 at 9:24 pm

    Outstanding opine Vee….

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  3. 3 Gil in Mechanicsville July 14, 2017 at 9:26 pm

    Good game tonight, I am surprised Arizona did not challenge a close play at first. Walker looked safe.

    1-1 in bottom of the 6th.

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  4. 4 Carolina Lady July 15, 2017 at 7:04 am

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  5. 5 Gil in Mechanicsville July 15, 2017 at 8:36 am

    Whoopee… What an amazing game last night. New nickname for Freddie Freeman… The Chosen One…

    Just amazing what he does. Sure looks, acts and hits like an MVP…

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  6. 6 Gil in Mechanicsville July 15, 2017 at 3:50 pm

    Kind of quite in here today… Folty takes the mound tonight and if he pitches like he has his past few starts, the Bravos will creep ever closer to the magic .500 mark.

    Like I said, wear ’em down. The snakes are an indoor club. They will wilt in the heat and humidity.

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  7. 7 berigan2electricboogaloo July 15, 2017 at 5:05 pm

    Kind of quite in here today
    Yeah, too quite…. 😉

    I imagine anyone under say, 35 would really scratch their heads if you said that back to them…..

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  8. 8 berigan2electricboogaloo July 15, 2017 at 5:06 pm

    oh heck, we both misspelled quiet….well, you get what I meant…surely.

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  9. 9 berigan2electricboogaloo July 15, 2017 at 5:09 pm

    I admit it, after Flowers threw wildly, and the wild pitch, put AZ up a run, I gave up, and put on a film noir I had never heard of before (The Sleeping City (1950), with Richard Conte) I was surprised to see the braves won…
    bet F.F. will get walked a ton today and tomorrow….

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  10. 10 Gil in Mechanicsville July 15, 2017 at 6:05 pm

    The snakes thought because they struck him out in the first inning, he could be had. Freddie is a fast learner though. They started him off with a curve ball every at-bat. he was looking for it after the first inning.

    I have to admit, early in the season, I would give up on them. I don’t normally any longer. They are a never say die team. They are like a bunch of zombies, they just keep on coming….

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  11. 11 Carolina Lady July 15, 2017 at 6:48 pm

    They are like a bunch of zombies, they just keep on coming….
    The snakes or the Braves?

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  12. 12 berigan2electricboogaloo July 16, 2017 at 6:07 am

    One post on mlbtr makes sense, one…not so much (at least to me)
    The Braves, on the hunt for starting pitching, sent a top scout to Detroit this weekend to watch Tigers right-handers Justin Verlander and Michael Fulmer, reports Mark Bowman of MLB.com (on Twitter). Neither Verlander nor Fulmer seems like a realistic trade candidate, however. The Tigers reportedly want a noteworthy haul for Verlander, even though he’s 34, in the throes of a down season and still owed nearly $70MM through 2019. Verlander also has a full no-trade clause, so he could veto a deal even if the Braves do present an offer to the Tigers’ liking. Unlike Verlander, the 24-year-old Fulmer is both cheap and in his prime. Detroit would justifiably demand a ransom in return, then, but there’s no indication it’s interested in parting with him.
    https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/07/nl-news-rumors-braves-brewers-phillies-rockies.html

    Fulmer looks 35, but like they say, is only 24(born on my B Day, many years later)…. Better ERA than ANYONE else considered a #1 that has been or might be moved…(20-13 3.11 ERA in 43 career starts)
    So, they are going to ask for the farm….and of course pitching. But a real difference maker, IF he stays healthy.

    one that doesn’t make as much sense ….

    The Braves are among teams with interest in Rangers infielder/outfielder Jurickson Profar, who is seemingly available, reports FanRag’s Jon Heyman. The Rangers are looking for pitching, suggests Heyman, who notes that the Braves have a potentially on-the-move veteran in Jaime Garcia at the big league level and plenty of arms in the minors.

    Profar was one of the premier prospects in baseball only a few years ago, but injuries and poor performance have damaged his stock in recent seasons. The 24-year-old has thus far amassed 718 trips to the plate in the majors, and he has hit a weak .229/.309/.329 during that span. Profar has spent most of this year at Triple-A Round Rock, where he has batted .300/.380/.438 in 231 plate appearances. That’s far better than the .172/.294/.207 line he has produced in 70 PAs this season with the Rangers.

    More… https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/07/braves-among-teams-with-interest-in-jurickson-profar.html
    ok, he is still quite young….and if Garcia gets him…sure…but then what? 3rd? 2nd? SS? LF’er, RF’er ????

    Though if you trade for Fulmer, Ozzie is as good as gone…hmmm.

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  13. 13 Gil in Mechanicsville July 16, 2017 at 6:31 am

    Ber, it appears the Braves have a thing for other clubs 1st rounders who as yet not performed up to expectations. Alex Jackson, Danny Santana. Luis Gohar, et al.

    Tis the Bravos who never quit CL. They just keep on keeping on.

    Boy, talk about a tight zone, yesterday’s strike zone was minuscule. To be fair, it was tight for both sided. Lots and lots of full counts.

    1:30 game time today.

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  14. 14 Gil in Mechanicsville July 16, 2017 at 6:48 pm

    Another great team performance today. Braves back at .500… Santana and Rodriquez set to join the team Monday, besides Jace, who goes down, Lane Adams? That would be my hunch.

    Brandon Phillips making it tough on Coppy to trade him. Or maybe he is making the price higher. Should be interesting to see if the Braves tank when the vets are traded. All I have to say is, get value for value.

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  15. 15 chrisklob July 17, 2017 at 2:33 am

    Great post Raisins!

    the next few weeks will be interesting for sure. los bravos are currently 9.5 games out of first but only 6 games out of the wild card chase and they will be entering a series against the team just above them in the wild card standings for a three game set. remember, it doesn’t matter what kind of ticket you get to the dance. what’s important is that you get a ticket to the dance!

    that being said, is it realistic to think the braves can actually compete for a playoff spot? the magic 8 ball in my head says “doesn’t seem likely” as a LOT has to go right for them over the remainder of the season. but my heart says “go for it”.

    that brings up a lot of questions. do they go for it this year? if so, at what cost, in the form of prospects and money? which big leaguers might have to go to actually improve the team? phillips was on fire this weekend. do you trade him now for max value and let peterson handle 2b until rodriguez is ready? or do you ride that horse all the way to october?

    what about adams? who needs a mashing first baseman? and johnson? there are days he’s absolutely lights out. other days, well, not so much. what could be obtained in return for either?

    i know that’s a lot of questions and i’ve got even more. as none of us work in the braves front office we don’t know what may be in store. my guess is there are a lot of contingency plans. the braves started out this tough stretch with a nice sweep the results of the next few weeks games will ultimately answer those questions. and frankly, the off-the-field stuff is just about as interesting as the on-field play and i look forward to watching it unfold.

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  16. 16 chrisklob July 17, 2017 at 2:34 am

    just looked at my icon which has been up for many years now. seems even more fitting now than ever!

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  17. 17 Vox O'Reason July 17, 2017 at 7:17 am

    Translation: Keep ’em coming, boys. Not there yet, but you’re getting closer.

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  18. 18 Vox O'Reason July 17, 2017 at 7:20 am

    On a related note, Kris Medlen pitched well last night for Gwinnett: 7 IP, 6 H, 3 ER, 1 BB, 7 K.

    Gee, what a coincidence that both he and Jaime Garcia are on the same rotation slot, huh? Yes. Coincidence. R-i-g-h-t.

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  19. 19 Vox O'Reason July 17, 2017 at 7:24 am

    To go with Jaime’s great start yesterday, Brandon Phillips slugged 3 doubles and Matt Adams crushed a no-doubter-dinger.

    Yep, it was a good day for the Braves’ trade market, no doubt.

    Heck, Lane Adams might even garner a little interest as a throw in with his recent good work off the bench.

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  20. 20 Vox O'Reason July 17, 2017 at 7:26 am

    Why did I mention Lane Adams? Well, according the braves beat writers, Danny Santana and Sean Rodriguez are both set to come off the DL today.

    That probably means Jace and Lane will both go back to Gwinnett… barring inclusion in a trade somewhere, of course.

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  21. 21 Vox O'Reason July 17, 2017 at 7:29 am

    Also, it’s reported that Viz will likely make one rehab appearance, probably today, and then be activated assuming no problems. That’s an easy adjustment as Rex Brothers and Jason Hursh are both easy AAA returns.

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  22. 22 Vox O'Reason July 17, 2017 at 7:42 am

    Ber, why would the Braves be interested in Profar? Well, first, I advise to remember that rumors are just that… rumors. And in this age of “journalism”, people often run with speculation with no corroboration.

    That said, TEX is one of the teams kicking the tires on Jaime, so it’s entirely possible they’re the ones who brought him up in conversation, not Coppy.

    Still, as Gil mentioned, Profar is a former 1st rounder who is still young (24) with plenty of time to realize the great potential that has been evident for a few years. He might just be a classic “change of scenery” guy. And he’s quite capable of manning 3B. Still, with the massive interest that’s been reported over him for the last couple of years, Coppy could look to turn him right around to someone else in a deal for his own pitcher instead of Ozzie, who seems to be at the top of every other team’s wish list.

    And at worst, if you do include Ozzie to get Sonny or Gerrit or Marcus, you still would have Profar.

    All in all not a bad position to be in.

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  23. 23 berigan2electricboogaloo July 17, 2017 at 9:04 am

    V, yeah I kinda/sorta reached that conclusion at the end of my post…
    Though if you trade for Fulmer, Ozzie is as good as gone

    Speaking of Fulmer….doesn’t matter how much teams want to get a guy, if said guy isn’t available. As I mentioned before, only 24…probably the best pitcher most people don’t know about…didya know he was the ROY last year???? Only had 26 starts last year, but pitched 159 innings. 3.06 ERA. (this year his ERA is 3.06) 123 innings, on pace for 220 innings…so much for the sophomore jinx!
    So, while he doesn’t have the pedigree of Chris Archer or Sonny Gray, he has a much better ERA and is much younger….
    so in theory…should cost even more.
    Do you trade the Untouchables????? Here is the thing. You never know with any pitcher, right? And the braves best of the best guys are soooo young. Kolby Allard, Mike Soroka are both 19 (though to be completely fair, both turn 20 in August) Ian Anderson turned 19 in May. Max Fried is 23, but…is 2 11 , with a 6.69 ERA at AA. May have to be turned into a bullpen guy.
    Touki Toussaint is 21, but isn’t doing well either ((A+) 2 9 5.46 ERA) Patrick Weigel is 23, but sadly will miss likely all of 2018….
    Lucas Sims is 23 and decent at AAA. Of course Kyle Wright has to be tossed in there as well..
    But, Allard, Soroka, and Anderson are basically 4 years away from not being treated with kid gloves in regards to pitch count, innings pitched (2021, 2022???) and what do you do via the playoffs? Will they have them start each season late?
    So, do you trade Soroka and Ozzie (and other, lesser prospects) for a true, no doubt about it 24 Y.O. Ace???? He will be cheap too…
    and you still have plenty of arms left….
    or will the Tigers decide not to trade him, thinking he’s the next Justin Verlander?
    Of course, the White Sox still keep trading 1 player for 2 supposedly can’t miss prospects and will be an amazing team if the Tigers don’t rebuild some….

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  24. 24 Vox O'Reason July 17, 2017 at 9:07 am

    Speaking of Fulmer….doesn’t matter how much teams want to get a guy, if said guy isn’t available.

    But if they want to dump all of Verlander’s salary, they might have to attach value to it. Could be why the Braves scouted both Fulmer and Verlander.

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  25. 25 Vox O'Reason July 17, 2017 at 9:17 am

    You know, they have to replace Ian Kinsler too.

    What if Coppy sent Jaime to Texas for Profar, then flipped Profar in a deal that sends Julio, Profar, Lucas Sims, Max Fried, and Dustin Peterson for Michael Fulmer and Justin Verlander, taking on all of the $106M remaining on JV’s deal?

    Then your rotation becomes Verlander, Fulmer, Folty, Dickey and Newcomb and you really have something now and going forward.

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  26. 26 berigan2electricboogaloo July 17, 2017 at 9:58 am

    Wow, didn’t know he had fallen off so much this year (Kinsler) if they’d do that deal, I’d do it in a heartbeat. I might do it even if we kept Profar, and gave them Ozzie….

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  27. 27 Gil in Mechanicsville July 17, 2017 at 10:05 am

    Three game set with another team coming off a three game sweep. The Cubs were expected to be there, the Braves NOT. I think the only folks who thought the Braves had any chance to compete this year were the Braves players themselves. Perhaps that is who really counts in the long run.

    So, three games, three different heroes… That is what a team is all about methinks…

    The gNats have taken some steps to shore up their shaky bullpen. A weakness I don’t see in the current Braves staff. Not that the Braves staff if all shut down guys but I don’t see them blowing a 6 run lead.

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  28. 28 Gil in Mechanicsville July 17, 2017 at 10:08 am

    Brandon Phillips may become the poster child for the National Acupuncture Society. He has caught fire in the past week. He is playing like he’s Ronald Acuna….

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  29. 29 Vox O'Reason July 17, 2017 at 10:09 am

    Yep, the Braves come in 45-45 while the Cubs come in 46-45. Who in the heck thought we’d see that in the middle of July?

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  30. 30 Vox O'Reason July 17, 2017 at 10:10 am

    Almost under the radar…

    Has Snit been making all the right calls lately or what? Guy deserves an extension.

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  31. 31 Vox O'Reason July 17, 2017 at 10:15 am

    Buster Olney:

    Rival executives say that the Braves are very open to offers for Julio Teheran, who is under contract for at least two more seasons beyond this year. He’s earning $6.3 million in 2017, $8 million in 2018, $11 million in ’19 and his contract ends with a $12 million team option for 2020. But Teheran has struggled this season, with an ERA of 4.79. The perception of other teams is that the Braves would like to flip Teheran for prospects, but that in order to do so, Atlanta would need to acquire a comparable front-of-the-rotation starter, which is why the Braves discussed Jose Quintana and have checked in with Oakland about Sonny Gray.

    Old news, but another voice reporting it. More smoke, so to speak.

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  32. 32 Vox O'Reason July 17, 2017 at 10:17 am

    More from Buster:

    Rival executives say the Tigers are very open to discussing Justin Verlander but believe it will be difficult — almost impossible — for Detroit to create an acceptable trade. Verlander is a legacy player for the Tigers, a possible Hall of Fame pitcher, but he makes so much over the next 2 ½ seasons (he’s guaranteed more than $75 million) that rival teams almost certainly would look for Detroit to eat a ton of money while also accepting very little in prospect return.

    … which is why attaching Fulmer to the deal to bring back said top prospects, along with an established pitcher like Julio, makes sense for them.

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  33. 33 Gil in Mechanicsville July 17, 2017 at 10:27 am

    Tonight’s contest against the Cubbies might well seal Julio’s fate in Atlanta. You just cannot keep a guy on your payroll who gets the yips every time he steps on his home field mound. He has become gun shy with the shortened fences at STP.

    One thing I have learned is to not fall in love with a prospect. Their path from the low minors to the show is wrought with peril.

    Except for Acuna… DON’T TRADE ACUNA… He is the next great outfielder for ATL.

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  34. 34 Gil in Mechanicsville July 17, 2017 at 10:33 am

    It’s always fun when you are playing a team which is directly in your way to where you want to go. Meaningful games? The Braves have a ton of them ahead this month.

    I’m sure the block of games against the Dodgers is looming large but I don’t see this team looking past anyone at this point, their position is too tenuous to take anyone for granted. Of course they have no problem with being overlooked themselves. They are perfectly content with being the hunter.

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  35. 35 Gil in Mechanicsville July 17, 2017 at 10:40 am

    One more thing on Acuna… When I see and read about Acuna, I am reminded of Brett Butler but with power. When I saw Butler play for Richmond, I kept thinking, Future All-Star. Then he was traded to Cleveland, along with Brooks Jacoby. Both who became all-stars. ACK!

    Nick Markakis is in a bit of a slump right now, not sure what the deal is but he just does not look comfortable at the plate. The guy has been money in RBI situations and has played a stellar defense but his timing just looks off to me. It’s one of those things where I see something wrong but I don’t know enough to know what the wrong is I’m seeing.

    The three run homer by Matt Kemp was a welcome sight. Time for him to get going again too.

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  36. 36 berigan2electricboogaloo July 17, 2017 at 12:12 pm

    Of all the prospects, Acuna is the one I am most wanting the braves to hold onto….

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  37. 37 Vox O'Reason July 17, 2017 at 12:34 pm

    Ronald Acuña in 2017:

    28 G at A+ Florida, .287/.336/.478, 3 HR, 21 runs scored
    57 G at AA Mississippi, .326/.374/.520, 9 HR, 29 runs scored
    4 G at AAA Gwinnett, .294/.429/.588, 1 HR, 5 runs scored

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  38. 38 Gil in Mechanicsville July 17, 2017 at 12:58 pm

    Any outfield assist to throw into that?

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  39. 39 Gil in Mechanicsville July 17, 2017 at 1:03 pm

    If you were talking about some 25 year old minor leaguer, those would still be pretty fair but not necessarily spectacular numbers but when you are talking about a 19 year old, they are some eye opening numbers.

    Just to give it some perspective, what are Sean Rodriquez’s numbers in his rehab? Just saying, the kid is a keeper and every GM in MLB knows it.

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  40. 40 Gil in Mechanicsville July 17, 2017 at 1:38 pm

    Coppy has said they were going to push their prospects and challenge them a bit. That is why some of the Braves young pitching prospects have struggled I think. I don’t know if the Braves feel compelled to force the issue to get better sooner than later or if it is just a change in philosophy.

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  41. 41 Vox O'Reason July 17, 2017 at 3:28 pm

    It’s official, SeanRod is back, and Jace is out.

    Also, the Braves are sending Jason Hursh down to activate Danny Santana. Interesting…

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  42. 42 Vox O'Reason July 17, 2017 at 3:33 pm

    2nite’s lineup:

    Ender Inciarte, CF
    Brandon Phillips, 2B
    Freddie Freeman, 1B
    Matt Kemp, LF
    Tyler Flowers, C
    Nick Markakis, RF
    Sean Rodriguez, 3B
    Johan Camargo, SS

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  43. 43 Vox O'Reason July 17, 2017 at 3:36 pm

    Hmmm…

    Sean Rodriguez showcase? Are they happy enough with Johan Camargo that they’d see what they can get for SeanRod now that he’s healthy?

    Here’s another uncomfortable question. If Dansby is not going to get consistent playing time here in Atlanta, why not let him play everyday in AAA? I’m all for letting him improve on the big league stage, but at least give him the opportunity to do so. He’s not getting better playing 1 out of every 3 days.

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  44. 44 Gil in Mechanicsville July 17, 2017 at 4:11 pm

    Yep, looks like Dansby is the odd man out right now. Not sure if its Snit calling the shots, mixing and matching or the GM saying play this guy or that or don’t let M Adams get hurt before we can trade him.

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  45. 45 Gil in Mechanicsville July 17, 2017 at 4:12 pm

    I still think Dansby is the future, not sure if his future is now.

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  46. 46 Vox O'Reason July 17, 2017 at 4:24 pm

    Not sure if its Snit calling the shots, mixing and matching or the GM saying play this guy or that or don’t let M Adams get hurt before we can trade him.

    IMO, with Sean Rodriguez immediately being placed in the lineup when he didn’t exactly tear the cover off the ball in rehab (11 games, 47 plate appearances, 3 hits), Snit is not in complete control. Nothing against SeanRod personally, but his starting at 3B tonight is a BS call.

    I think he’s being rushed back to prove his health with a couple weeks left before the trade deadline. Nothing else makes sense to me.

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  47. 47 berigan2electricboogaloo July 17, 2017 at 5:19 pm

    yeah V, that’s the only thing that makes sense…

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  48. 48 Gil in Mechanicsville July 17, 2017 at 6:34 pm

    Well, I hope he goes 4-4 with 6 RBI but 1-4 would be pretty satisfactory. We shall see.

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  49. 49 berigan2electricboogaloo July 18, 2017 at 1:28 am

    wow, what an ending to a game…that the braves still lost.
    Still, had the cubbies on the ropes, and their closer won’t be able to pitch in 3 games here…
    Shame Krol gave up a run…I sure understand why he gets run out there , in spite of giving up runs…some hitters look silly against him…still, I’d make him a loogy for a bit (I know, homer to a leftie) till he was really full of confidence…
    FYI, I started this, then got distracted…what else…Teheran was pretty decent (from what I see from the stats) against a team that just murdered the Orioles over the weekend, so that has to look go for possibly trading him….

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  50. 50 berigan2electricboogaloo July 18, 2017 at 3:43 am

    It’s funny, Peter Gammons was always my favorite baseball…coverer (Blog first!) writing and back in the dark dark days of virtually no baseball coverage during the winter, I lived for his 2 minute voiceover clips on sportscenter (hey, this was a long, long time ago, late 80s’/early 90s?)
    anywho…I trust him, yet I forget to check out his blog he still write on in semi-retirement…

    while not talking about the braves, he does explain why it’s going to be so hard to pry the #1 Coppy and braves fans want for the team….
    Talking about the Cubs and Quintana, but imagine it was the Braves instead of the Cubs…..

    They called the Tigers on Michael Fulmer, not available. They checked in on Chris Archer, and were told the Rays think they can make the playoffs and inch closer to a real ballpark. Marcus Stroman would have cost them a player off their major league roster, Gerrit Cole was not available without players off their major league roster. The Athletics talked to them about Sonny Gray, but they preferred Quintana’s consistency, not to mention his contract.

    Quintana makes $8.35M in 2018 with options the next two seasons at $10.5M and $11.5M. “Look at the market and look at what’s going to be available and given our need for starting pitching next season, how were we going to build a staff?” said one Cub official. “This is for this season, but it’s for ensuing seasons.”

    The Astros badly wanted Quintana, and may now turn to Gray. So could Cleveland. One official from a team in on Quintana said, “He will be a very different pitcher with the Cubs. The White Sox have defensive problems, which they know. Now you give him the Cubs defense, you put him in the National League without the DH and put him in the atmosphere they have and you’ll get a much better pitcher.”

    http://www.gammonsdaily.com/peter-gammons-quintana-crosses-town-to-wrigleyville-springers-mvp-shot-and-more/

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  51. 51 Vox O'Reason July 18, 2017 at 7:40 am

    He’s so close. Probably ready.

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  52. 52 Vox O'Reason July 18, 2017 at 7:41 am

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  53. 53 Vox O'Reason July 18, 2017 at 7:46 am

    The good in Gwinnett last night:

    Arodys “started” the game, pitching the 1st inning and allowing 0 hits with 1 K.
    Lucas Sims came on “in relief” and struck out 11 over his 6.0 IP.
    Ronald Acuna unloaded the longest HR in Gwinnett this year to give the team a temporary lead.

    The bad:

    Chaz Roe blew the game giving up 3 ER in his 1.0 IP. His ERA at Gwinnett is now 27.00.

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  54. 54 Gil in Mechanicsville July 18, 2017 at 8:20 am

    Ber, I still have not seen the ball off Acuna’s bat and I have watched the video 5 times.

    Bummer ballgame last night. Braves had that game won if not for the add on runs. Oh well, sometimes I get the feeling that Rachel Phelps is calling the shots…

    Chaz Roe… should be the first guy off the 40 man roster

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  55. 55 berigan2electricboogaloo July 18, 2017 at 8:23 am

    when I watched MLB’s quick pitch…they talked about how Zimmerman passed Vlad Guerrero for most homers by an Expo/National… and they showed highlights of Vlad of course…you know who he reminds me of, or vs versa? Acuna. Acuna isn’t quite as big, but the followthru…man….

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  56. 56 Vox O'Reason July 18, 2017 at 8:27 am

    Back in ATL, newly minted 3B Sean Rodriguez went 0-3 with 1 BB and 2 K’s. Hey… couldn’t Dansby have done that? Just sayin’…

    Tell ya what. After thinking about it a little, I almost wonder if they haven’t been showcasing Johan Camargo. He’s gotten alot of playing time over the last couple of weeks at both 3B and SS. He’d be awfully valuable to some team somewhere… like BOS or NYY. And with Martin Prado going down again (back on the DL with a knee sprain), the 3B market is mighty slim.

    Then you have to wonder with the way they forced Rodriguez back into the lineup so quickly if maybe they haven’t already had preliminary talks with someone and are just trying to prove his health on the field.

    I’m beginning to believe that the Braves will trade one of them – Camargo or Rodriguez.

    Quite honestly I have no other explanation for why Dansby sits in Atlanta. They need him playing almost every day to continue his development. If they aren’t sending him down to play everyday, there has to be a reason.

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  57. 57 Vox O'Reason July 18, 2017 at 8:29 am

    Chaz Roe… should be the first guy off the 40 man roster

    He’s already off. Passed cleanly through waivers last week before being outrighted to AAA.

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  58. 58 Gil in Mechanicsville July 18, 2017 at 8:42 am

    To be fair, Freddie Free made two outstanding plays at first last night. Saved at least 4 runs by my calculations.

    One more thing, I thought the Braves played a little flat last night. Just saying.

    Okay, got to give the guy a chance, after all, only one game but gee, an o-fer and an error? Could have used a bit more seasoning. Hey, can’t blame the guy, no one really wants to stay in the minors.

    I would have let Markakis hit for himself in the ninth and saved M Adams for after the bases were loaded. You know the pitcher is going to load the bases in that situation.

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  59. 59 Gil in Mechanicsville July 18, 2017 at 9:28 am

    Okay, I’m over it…. Re-rack….

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  60. 60 Vox O'Reason July 18, 2017 at 10:09 am

    Freddie Free made two outstanding plays at first last night. Saved at least 4 runs by my calculations.

    Yet another reason why he needs to be over there every night. Now the Yankees are in heavy discussion with OAK over Yonder Alonso. Coppy’s about to lose his best potential suitor for Matt Adams. He may have waited too long.

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  61. 61 Vox O'Reason July 18, 2017 at 10:11 am

    Julio didn’t hurt his own value last night. Actually, the fact he didn’t wet the bed at home again may have enhanced it.

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  62. 62 Vox O'Reason July 18, 2017 at 10:12 am

    I almost get the sense that Coppy is juggling alot of balls right now, and that if he can pull the trigger on the “big one”, the others will follow in sequence.

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  63. 63 berigan2electricboogaloo July 18, 2017 at 10:22 am

    I’m beginning to believe that the Braves will trade one of them – Camargo or Rodriguez.
    you may be right V, but I forgot until I saw a story on Rodriguez, that he’s on a 2 year deal (5 mil per year) so….you’d have to eat a lot of moola to trade him, especially with so little time to prove himself.
    I wonder if the team pushed him to come up…I’d hate to think they’d do that, but he was seriously injured in a car accident in Feb, so he hasn’t played any baseball since Sept and like I said…was injured so badly they thought he would miss the season. (and I think we have to remember this, it’s a miracle he and his family were able to be there in seemingly very good health for that pre game ceremony)
    so 2 weeks after 9 months off and he’s supposed to be sharp??? it is odd…
    hindsight being 20/20 the braves don’t really need him now, but.. re-reading this, you can see why they did sign him…. http://m.mlb.com/news/article/209590168/braves-sign-sean-rodriguez/

    Camargo on the other hand is young, cheap, plays excellent defense….and now seems to be able to hit, so yeah, he may have to be in any possible trades for starting pitching…

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  64. 64 Vox O'Reason July 18, 2017 at 10:26 am

    he may have to be in any possible trades for starting pitching…

    Kind of what I’m thinking.

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  65. 65 Gil in Mechanicsville July 18, 2017 at 10:36 am

    Likely, a team like Oakland wants a couple of major league players, not just prospects. Trades can be tricky when you have a someone who is willing to overpay for a short-term gain.

    I have been the second highest bidder on more than one occasion. Oh, well, no buyers remorse…

    I think the Braves with Matt Adams may be the Yankees’ fall back position in case they cannot get a deal with Oakland for Yalonso. Thing is, who are the Braves willing to take for Matt?

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  66. 66 Gil in Mechanicsville July 18, 2017 at 10:39 am

    Young and cheap is almost always preferable to old and expensive all other things being equal.

    Think Dansby is working on hitting the slider? It appears to be his bane….

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  67. 67 Vox O'Reason July 18, 2017 at 12:03 pm

    Think Dansby is working on hitting the slider? It appears to be his bane

    That was a talking point pushed earlier this season, but not necessarily as dramatic as it is being painted. Look at his strong month of May and you’ll see that he began punishing pitchers for thinking they could fool him with it. Now they’ve adjusted again, so it’s his turn to respond. Nothing unusual.

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  68. 68 Vox O'Reason July 18, 2017 at 12:10 pm

    As for Rodriguez or Camargo being dangled, published reports say that both OAK and TOR are asking for players off the major league roster as part of any return for Sonny Gray or Marcus Stroman.

    Rodriguez’ 2-year contract is not prohibitive. In fact, he’d probably be less desirable as a 3 month rental. The new paradigm for GM’s is “controllable years”. It was “controllable years” that netted the big return for Shelby Miller, and it was “controllable years” that netted the big return for Jose Quintana. The same will be true for Sonny Gray too.

    It’s why Julio could be on the move if Coppy is successful in acquiring a top tier arm. He’s got real value in both talent and financial commitment.

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  69. 69 Gil in Mechanicsville July 18, 2017 at 1:43 pm

    I think Coppy is in a tight spot with Julio, all the talk about trading him has to affect him. We’ll call it the McCutchen effect. Anyway, Julio is a pretty solid number 3 or 4 who would benefit from a big park. That precludes just about every American League team.

    He did not pitch badly last night but he did not pitch crisply either. He just was….

    Braves need to win tonight to break the mystic of the Cubs. I think they can be had, they are not as good as the media makes them out to be and the Braves not as bad.

    Interesting factoid today on MLB, Steven Strasbourg has a losing record when having to pitch when the temp is above 90 degrees. It is why the Braves need to embrace the heat and humidity that is Atlanta. Use it like the Packers embraced the cold.

    I still believe Matt Adams will go to the Yankees because the As will hold Cash man hostage for Yalondo.

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  70. 70 Gil in Mechanicsville July 18, 2017 at 1:47 pm

    Of course if the Yankees trade for Yolondo, the As will need a first baseman and Adams will still be available. All that said, teams are really loath to give up young controllable pitchers. It is why I think Kris Medlen will soon be making an appearance at STP. Either as a fill in or to be showcased. He could net a huge return on the Braves investment. Just as Matt Adams.

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  71. 71 Vox O'Reason July 18, 2017 at 2:13 pm

    Hard to believe that the trade deadline is less than 2 weeks away. It’s been sooooo slooooow. Everybody seems to be waiting for everybody else to do something. I figured the Quintana trade might loosen things up a little, but that hasn’t happened. The real action will be in the AL where the Yanks, ‘Stros, Mariners, Bosox, Indians and Royals all figure to be buyers. Heck, the Twins could even be buyers. They’re actually trotting out Bartolo for a start tonight. Tell me they couldn’t use a pitcher!

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  72. 72 Vox O'Reason July 18, 2017 at 2:49 pm

    Jeff Francouer on the radio a few minutes ago:

    Q: What do you do with all these infielders (Camargo, Swanson, Phillips, Peterson, Rodriguez, Albies) you have? You can’t play ’em all.

    A: That’s easy. Package some of them up and send them to Oakland for Sonny Gray.

    I’m with Jeff. 🙂

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  73. 73 Vox O'Reason July 18, 2017 at 2:56 pm

    Of course if the Yankees trade for Yolondo, the As will need a first baseman and Adams will still be available.

    Hmmm… that’s interesting. The A’s don’t have a clear replacement for Yonder Alonso. Suppose the Yanks trade prospects for Yonder, then the Braves include Matt Adams in the prospect loaded package for Sonny Gray. Adams is cheaper than Yonder this year, then has one more year of arb before becoming a FA in 2019. OAK would be in the same position with Matt this time next year and ready to deal him for somebody’s prospects again. Sounds alot like Billy Beane’s kind of game.

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  74. 74 Vox O'Reason July 18, 2017 at 2:58 pm

    Seriously? Did we have to give them something just to take him?

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  75. 75 Vox O'Reason July 18, 2017 at 3:02 pm

    They probably made Coppy give them Roe as compensation for the annoyance of him calling about Chris Archer every day. 😉

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  76. 76 Vox O'Reason July 18, 2017 at 3:30 pm

    Bowman says the Braves traded Chaz Roe to the Rays for cash. Somebody must have gotten stuck with a higher lunch tab than they expected.

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  77. 77 Vox O'Reason July 18, 2017 at 3:54 pm

    2nite’s lineup:

    Ender Inciarte, CF
    Brandon Phillips, 2B
    Freddie Freeman, 3B
    Matt Kemp, LF
    Matt Adams, 1B
    Nick Markakis, RF
    Kurt Suzuki, C
    Johan Camargo, SS

    Seriously… Free Dansby. Let him play in AAA. Sitting him accomplishes nothing for the future of this franchise. I’m glad Johan is playing well. Maybe he nets you 3 or 4 more wins. Great. Guarantee they still won’t seriously contend in 2017. Meanwhile, Dansby is not progressing. If they aren’t going to play him here, send him down and let him play in Gwinnett. Heck, send him to Danville. I don’t care. Let the guy get some game time.

    This is the problem with Snit working on a short deal. He has to win and win now or lose his job. He doesn’t have the luxury of looking long term.

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  78. 78 Gil in Mechanicsville July 18, 2017 at 5:17 pm

    Traded/sold Chaz Roe for cash… Hope Coppy didn’t take a check. Likely told the Rays, “no take backs” .. Rays have to be truly desperate. Oh well, maybe they can fix him.

    I’m thinking Dansby must have called Snit a bad name… Just does not make since to sit him on the bench.

    Newk on the mound tonight, he is due for a good game. I think tonight;s game, while not a must win, is still a very important game in the broad scheme of things because they are facing a very tough road trip. One they have come back o-7 or 1-6 from in the past.

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  79. 79 Carolina Lady July 18, 2017 at 8:55 pm

    Oh my goodness! This guy (https://twitter.com/MiLB/status/887161757592113152/photo/1) looks SO much like Greg Maddus!

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  80. 80 Carolina Lady July 18, 2017 at 9:02 pm

    WELCOME to babesyoga and maxlcrepeau who are now following Braves&Stuff! Join in anytime!

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  81. 81 Vox O'Reason July 19, 2017 at 8:16 am

    Wow. Blockbuster deal for the Yankees last night. They get The 3B Todd Frazier, RP David Robertson and RP Tommy Kahnle for OF prospect Blake Rutherford, LHP prospect Ian Clarkin, and OF prospect Tito Polo, along with veteran RP Tyler Clippard.

    They pick up serious power for the hot corner, and add 2 excellent relievers. They still, however, need to pickup a starter.

    They still have 3B and #8 prospect Miguel Andujar in the fold. Now, with Frazier on board, Andujar could be expendable for a starter… say Julio?

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  82. 82 Vox O'Reason July 19, 2017 at 8:17 am

    In the wake of tlast night’s deal, the ChiSox have called up baseball’s #1 prospect Yoan Moncada. Their future is coming to fruition. Meanwhile in ATL, our future sat on the bench.

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  83. 83 Vox O'Reason July 19, 2017 at 8:23 am

    I am really beginning to think that the team is showcasing Johan Camargo. Not only is he getting a ton of playing time, the Braves talking heads are building him up like baseball’s next great SS. Last night they related how Joe Maddon is gushing over the kid.

    After a cold dose of reality on the west coast, we should swing back to seller mode and get ready for actual contention in 2018.

    I think there’s a real possibility that we see all of Dansby, Ozzie and even TATE (The Answer To Everything) in the same lineup this season.

    And why not? Acuna seems to be on the same fast track that Andruw Jones was, and Andruw burst on the scene when the team was making a real World Series push. IMO, if Coppy can find a taker for Nick, he’ll move him on out and move Acuna on in. And if it doesn’t happen in the next 2 weeks, it’ll almost surely happen in the offseason.

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  84. 84 Gil in Mechanicsville July 19, 2017 at 8:24 am

    Good morning folks, I tried to hang with the game last night but just could not do it. Now we know where all those rain clouds were when the Braves were playing at Turner Field with nary a rain delay.

    Early game today. I hope I can stay awake.

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  85. 85 Vox O'Reason July 19, 2017 at 8:33 am

    So the Yankees still need a starter and still need a 1B. I think we could help with both of those. Surely Coppy has his people pouring all over their prospects.

    Speaking of teams needing a starter, it was reported that the Royals had a scout at STP for Julio’s last start.

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  86. 86 Vox O'Reason July 19, 2017 at 8:38 am

    Back in ATL, the team is set to activate Viz from the DL today. I have a feeling that Lane Adams will be making the move back to Gwinnett.

    There was talk that Snit would like to keep the 5 man bench, but I’m willing to bet that doesn’t happen… especially heading out for a west coast swing. Old habits die hard. That plus SRod and Johan give him alot of versatility.

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  87. 87 Vox O'Reason July 19, 2017 at 8:47 am

    It’s gotta hurt for the Bosox to see the Yanks get their 3B from CHW. All indications early yesterday were that Boston and Chicago were deep in talks for Frazier. Then the Yanks swooped in and dashed their hopes. And in the process, they took one of the better relievers on the market in Robertson too. It was a great day for NYY.

    Maybe BOS is calling Coppy this morning about SRod or Camargo. Ya never know…

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  88. 88 Vox O'Reason July 19, 2017 at 8:55 am

    I think Houston may be the best matchup for Julio, and I think they have the prospects to get it done. Personally, I’d love to see Julio get a shot on the big stage in October with them. They would instantly become my fave AL team (as if they weren’t already).

    They have an interesting young 3B named J.D. Davis that is blocked in HOU by Alex Bregman. Davis is the classic power hitting 3B, too, and from the right side. He’s 24 and close to ready now… just with no place to go.

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  89. 89 Vox O'Reason July 19, 2017 at 10:39 am

    Yup. No brainer.

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  90. 90 berigan2electricboogaloo July 19, 2017 at 10:42 am

    They still have 3B and #8 prospect Miguel Andujar in the fold. Now, with Frazier on board, Andujar could be expendable for a starter… say Julio?

    V, I think they just look at Frazier as a rental… he hit 225 last year (albit with 40 HR’s) and this year, .207 with 16 HRs…but he has been hot of late…I think a lot would depend on his performance in the next 2 weeks…except the Yankees don’t have 2 weeks really, to get a pitcher…it shall be interesting.
    Teams are going a bit overboard, IMHO…they don’t want guys 30+ anymore, yet they are the guys with experience, and yes…some skills still….I know this isn’t the year for the braves, but having a Kemp, and BP in the same line-up, I’d like our chances against teams in the playoffs…instead, in 2018,19 it will be some kid swinging wildly at sliders 2 feet outside, and we will never get that runner in from 3rd, with less than 2 outs…old wounds are the slowest to heal 😉

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  91. 91 Vox O'Reason July 19, 2017 at 10:47 am

    2day’s lineup:

    Ender Inciarte, CF
    Johan Camargo, 3B
    Freddie Freeman, 1B
    Matt Kemp, LF
    Tyler Flowers, C
    Danny Santana, RF
    Sean Rodriguez, 2B
    Dansby Swanson, SS

    Can’t help but wonder how tight Dansby will be today knowing hat he has to go 4-4 to be back in the lineup tomorrow.

    Also, this could be a real everyday lineup in a couple of weeks.

    Just sayin’…

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  92. 92 Vox O'Reason July 19, 2017 at 10:50 am

    V, I think they just look at Frazier as a rental…

    Could be, as this is his walk year. But they also have Gleyber Torres as their #1 prospect whom they had begun transitioning to 3B before he tore his UCL a couple weeks ago. He’s blocked at SS so a move to another position was inevitable. They also still have Chase Headley signed through 2018, who would bridge them to Torres.

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  93. 93 berigan2electricboogaloo July 19, 2017 at 10:51 am

    I like Lane Adams…a lot. How often do you see a big dude with game changing speed? He will probably end up in San Fran like Gregor Blanco, with a few W.S. rings on his hands…not this year though. For him, or the Giants…

    J.D. Davis…never heard of the guy. Hmm, 24, and playing his 2nd full season in AA. I wonder why? His numbers look quite solid.

    There is weirdness in baseball right now. Olney and others have said not much interest in position players (of course 2 big ones have been traded, but basically the 2 biggest ones out there) someone said (Gammons?) that the A’s hadn’t received 1 call for Jed Lowrie, which sure seems odd.
    add on top of that teams fearing NL players not hitting in the AL, it makes it hard to trade Matt Adams or BP…and there are other 1st baseman out there.
    I sure hoped we could see what a hot FF Adams, and Kemp could do for this lineup….but only FF has been hot.
    Kind of surprised how cold the braves bats have been against the Cubbies starters…especially Lackey, he of the 5 + ERA and 38 Y.O. arm….

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  94. 94 Vox O'Reason July 19, 2017 at 10:56 am

    I know this isn’t the year for the braves, but having a Kemp, and BP in the same line-up, I’d like our chances against teams in the playoffs…instead, in 2018,19 it will be some kid swinging wildly at sliders 2 feet outside, and we will never get that runner in from 3rd, with less than 2 outs

    Ah… a veiled shot at Dansby. Well, he ain’t getting any better picking splinters from his butt. These kids have to sink or swim sometime. And the team has to get younger or you turn into the 2014 Phillies. And if those coming up are Heyward and Francoeur instead of Chipper and Andruw, then you need to know that as well so you can get better another way.

    They must stick to the plan, and that means understanding this is NOT the year to contend. Resist the temptation for quick but temporary satisfaction. it will be unfulfilling and leave us feeling empty without making real progress toward the future.

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  95. 95 Gil in Mechanicsville July 19, 2017 at 11:14 am

    Yep, another day, another line up… If the Braves hang onto Matt Adams because no one wants him, so be it. Not necessary to just dump him. Same goes for Brandon Phillips. Ozzie will be here in 2018 and playing everyday, count on it. Sometimes the best trades are the ones you don’t make.

    BP will be beating the bushes, trying to get some team to take a chance on him. Not fair but it is baseball….

    If the Braves don’t make a trade by the deadline, they will be busy in the off season. Vets like Kemp, Markakis, Flowers and Adams will all be dangled. Just thinking out loud.

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  96. 96 berigan2electricboogaloo July 19, 2017 at 11:52 am

    Ah… a veiled shot at Dansby.
    not too veiled 😉
    actually was thinking of Ozzie too…kids need to play, no doubt, but Dansby is in a real funk,(DOB had mentioned .125 over the past…I don’t know, 3 weeks?) and they really should send him to AAA to get his confidence back, but I think once again “they” are hamstrung with the decision to make a kid the face of the franchise, before he had proven himself. It doesn’t on the surface make sense to have him ride the bench, but maybe in a way, like a guy on the DL, he can focus just on hitting, both watching video, in the cage, and seeing what say, FF does on a daily basis…but yeah, he will have to play consistently, somewheres…

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  97. 97 Vox O'Reason July 19, 2017 at 12:27 pm

    and they really should send him to AAA to get his confidence back

    Oft used narrative, but IMO it’s a false one. Players don’t get far in pro ball without confidence. Dansby doesn’t lack confidence. Dansby needs to work on mechanics. If it’s at AAA then great. But it has nothing to do with confidence. It has everything to do with repetition and muscle memory. He needs to work.

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  98. 98 Vox O'Reason July 19, 2017 at 12:35 pm

    DOB had mentioned .125 over the past…I don’t know, 3 weeks?

    Random time period. He was .306/.355/.418 in the month of June. Means about as much.

    2017 Dansby Swanson: .220/.297/.321
    2017 Ben Zobrist: .215/.306/.373

    Does Zobrist need confidence? Does he need to remain out the Cubs lineup? Slumps happen to all players. You can’t get out of one if you can’t get on the field.

    As I said, I don’t care if he plays everyday at AAA. But make a decision one way or the other. Are we working for the future, or are we working toward trying to grab the last Wild Card spot in 2017? Because those are 2 very different goals, and have 2 very different effects on the long term outlook of this team.

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  99. 99 Vox O'Reason July 19, 2017 at 12:45 pm

    Y’all all know where I stand. I want to see this team take a big step to the next level, but 2017 ain’t the year it’ll happen. We can take a baby step forward this season but pull a hammy doing it if we’re not careful. We’re simply not ready for prime time yet.

    In order to be able to compete with WAS and LAA and HOU, we need one more consistent power bat and we need a bona fide #1 and #2 starting pitcher. And to go anywhere beyond the gimmicky Wild Card play-in game, we better have something resembling a #1 starting pitcher. Right now, we have a couple of #3’s, a couple of #4’s, and #5. (Which is more than we had last year.)

    Want to take the big step forward? Go get Sonny Gray. Go get Marcus Stroman. Be bold and do something forward-minded. Take some of the huge stockpile of prospects and go get an actual ace. Remember, you can have 30 good prospects, but you can only play 9 guys at a time.

    And if you think your hitters are all gonna flail away at sliders and not be able to hit ’em, then trade those guys and go get some more. Because the Braves won’t get anywhere trying to plug holes with 35 year old guys on the last year of their contracts.

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  100. 100 Vox O'Reason July 19, 2017 at 1:02 pm

    The way the team seems to be gushing over Johan Camargo, they might as well dangle Dansby in trade talks anyway. Or failing that, go ahead and include Ozzie. Because Camargo seems to be the new darling. He has become the Chosen One.

    Take one of those guys, add Luiz Gohara and Joey Wentz and go get an ace. That’s about the price the Cubs paid for Quintana. That might just get you Gerritt Cole. Should have pulled the trigger on Quintana.

    Or trade Camargo before the bottom falls out. Remember Charles Thomas? Yeah… nobody else does either.

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  101. 101 Vox O'Reason July 19, 2017 at 1:53 pm

    On a brighter note, Bartolo made his Minnesota debut last night and pitched 4.0 innings giving up 4 ER. Pretty much exactly what he was doing in Atlanta.

    At least he’s consistent.

    Pretty bad when that’s the brighter note.

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  102. 102 Vox O'Reason July 19, 2017 at 1:55 pm

    The Twitter equivalent to the participation trophy.

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  103. 103 berigan2electricboogaloo July 19, 2017 at 2:38 pm

    sure is fun watching the Cubs get healthy against the braves, while the braves hitters turn each cubs starter into Cy Young :/

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  104. 104 Vox O'Reason July 19, 2017 at 2:49 pm

    sure is fun watching the Cubs get healthy against the braves, while the braves hitters turn each cubs starter into Cy Young

    Reality check for the Braves, and hopefully for the front office. Are they a .500 team? Sure the are. Are they a contending team? No way.

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  105. 105 Vox O'Reason July 19, 2017 at 3:00 pm

    And then we go to LA for 4 games against the Dodgers, who are 30-4 in their last 34 games.

    I’ve enjoyed watching the progress of this team this season. They are fun most nights, and entertaining even when not at their best. But they simply aren’t on the same level as the Dodgers or Cubs. And despite the slump Jon Lester has been in, he’s far better than any starting pitcher the Braves send to the mound. And the argument could be made that all 5 Dodgers starters exceed what the Braves roll out on any give night.

    Until the prized young arms are seasoned enough to emerge, we better get a hoss to keep us relevant. And even when the prized young arms emerge, we better have a hoss to lead the charge.

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  106. 106 Gil in Mechanicsville July 19, 2017 at 4:05 pm

    Another depressing game, What is it with Braves pitchers giving up home run balls to opposing pitchers?

    Okay, there was a glimmer of hope when it was 4-2 Cubs but Danny B unloaded again and I knew it was a done deal…

    Yes, that is what you call a reality check. Pretty sure the west coast trip will nail the coffin lid closed on this season.

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  107. 107 Gil in Mechanicsville July 19, 2017 at 7:10 pm

    A comment notice from Jon Hyman I think, said the Braves will pretty much hang onto Matt Adams given his relatively low cost and the current poor market for position players. Okay, works for me. While I am sure the Braves feel Sean Rodriquez can play first, I am not sure when hos bat will wake up.

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  108. 108 Vox O'Reason July 20, 2017 at 8:00 am

    Gil, as you noted, Olney qualified it was by saying it was due to the market for position players being “lousy”. I’m still willing to bet that he could be traded if the right offer came in.

    The only thing most teams are looking for at the moment are “controllable arms”, and that includes the Braves.

    So it seems odd they would consider trading Julio, right? Except that I think Julio has reached his ceiling, and it’s not as a #1. IMO, Julio would be a good #2 if you had a solid #1.

    So it begs the question, would you trade him if you could flip some of your new (as well as current) prospects for a real #1? Is it worth it to part with some of the “currency” if it means a real upgrade? And if so, who are you willing to part ways with?

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  109. 109 Gil in Mechanicsville July 20, 2017 at 9:46 am

    Funny how a streak, winning or losing, can change one’s perspective of a team. Still a lot of baseball to be played but then again, a reality check. The Braves currently are on a three game losing streak but very quickly, that can become a 7 game losing streak.

    The Braves are now facing their moment of truth. This trip should put a stake through the heart of their hopes to make the play-off. No, they will not be mathematically eliminated but the cold hard truth will be they are done. Just too much ground to cover.

    Maybe if the Braves had a couple of more shut down arms they could make a run but they don’t. Oh well, at least the Braves have prepped us for those 10 PM starts. I don’t think I will lose any sleep over it. There is instant updates available every morning on the web.

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  110. 110 Vox O'Reason July 20, 2017 at 9:52 am

    Maybe if the Braves had a couple of more shut down arms they could make a run but they don’t.

    Truth.

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  111. 111 berigan2electricboogaloo July 20, 2017 at 10:55 am

    can’t speak for Gil, but I wasn’t expecting different types of trades for a playoff hunt…honestly, what could Coppy do differently than trying to get a #1 type??? Hold onto Nick M? Or BP? Perhaps, with Nick, but no one is going to offer anything for him. How many teams have an need for an outfielder? Especially one with little power? Thats going to be a problem.

    He is probably having nightmares of giving up the next Adam Wainwright.
    Funny, I tend to think it’s crazy to give up 2 top prospects for an arm that might need TJ surgery his first start out there….but I know for a fact if the braves hadn’t traded Wainwright for the most overrated outfielder ever…the braves would have gone deeper in the playoffs, might even gone all the way a 2nd time…but, you just never know….

    I saw Verlander give up a run in the 7th last night, 2nd run…fat pitch down the middle…but, it was 97 MPH!!! Amazing, isn’t it, that he can still run it up that high? He was “overused” very early in his career, but luckily for him, he didn’t become Kerry Wood, or Mark Prior. Why didn’t he?

    anyways…an aside that really doesn’t mean anything. I don’t think he is the answer…he hasn’t been able to help Detroit in their hunt for the playoffs, has he?

    So….Coppy is stuck….he and about 20 other GM’s are looking for young controllable, as you mentioned V…and realistically ,the odds are against him , since other teams are looking at the same folks, and other teams thinking they are 1 player away, are going to be more desperate, and trade guys Coppy doesn’t want to trade….

    Gil’s right, perhaps the best trades are the ones you don’t make…

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  112. 112 berigan2electricboogaloo July 20, 2017 at 11:02 am

    tired…don’t think I really made my point…
    Did I truly expect the braves to sneak in via wildcard, and go deep into the playoffs? No…of course not…honestly, until the Rockies and now the Diamondbacks started to tank, I was thinking we could scare the youknowwhat out of the Nats….there bullpen has been so bad, that if we had swept them, it would have really, really scared them…and other teams were figuring out the same thing…
    alas, it was not to be….I just hoped we could have some faint hope, you know, golly, win 5-6 games, and make things interesting…
    watching 2 1/2 more months of baseball with no chance of anything except perhaps Ozzie, perhaps Lucas Sims(More likely Medlen)…well…just doesn’t send much of a thrill up my leg.
    are we a .500 team? No…not really. They just were for a game…might end up 74-88, slight improvement…another top ten pick in the draft…weee….
    hopefully, I will live long enough to see the braves competing for the division again….

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  113. 113 Vox O'Reason July 20, 2017 at 11:40 am

    watching 2 1/2 more months of baseball with no chance of anything except perhaps Ozzie, perhaps Lucas Sims(More likely Medlen)…well…just doesn’t send much of a thrill up my leg.

    Speaking only for myself, I’d love to see Ozzie and Lucas and see exactly who they are. Oh, and some kid named “Ronald” or something like that. 😉

    are we a .500 team? No…not really. They just were for a game…might end up 74-88

    I must respectively disagree. I think we are a .500 team. Just not much more. Maybe 82-80… maybe 80-82. But somewhere in that neighborhood. For the last month we’ve flirted with .500, dipped a couple down and picked a couple up off and on. That’s pretty much how I see the rest of the season barring some major roster change.

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  114. 114 Vox O'Reason July 20, 2017 at 11:45 am

    And call me crazy, but even though they just got swept at hme by teh Cubs, and even though the Dodgers seem invincible at the moment, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Braves pull out 2 of the 4 games.

    Game 1 – Folty vs. Brandon McCarthy – winnable
    Game 2 – Jamie vs. Alex Wood – probably not
    Game 3 – Julio vs. Rich Hill – Julio on the road is winnable
    Game 4 – Newk vs. Clayton Kershaw – chalk is up as education, kid

    I think we can truly win game 1, might get another between games 2-3, but get shut down tighter than Oprah’s yoga pants vs. Kershaw.

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  115. 115 Vox O'Reason July 20, 2017 at 11:48 am

    Mariners are sending 4 prospects to the Marlins for reliever David Phelps.

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  116. 116 Vox O'Reason July 20, 2017 at 11:50 am

    The Fish are getting OF Brayan Hernandez and RHPs Brandon Miller and Lukas Schiraldi. Not sure of the 4th yet.

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  117. 117 Vox O'Reason July 20, 2017 at 11:51 am

    Also RHP Pablo Lopez.

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  118. 118 Vox O'Reason July 20, 2017 at 11:52 am

    Jon Morosi is reporting that talks between the ‘Stros and A’s for Sonny Gray are “heating up”.

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  119. 119 Vox O'Reason July 20, 2017 at 11:54 am

    Looking at that possible deal between the ‘Stros and A’s… would Billy Beane really trade Gray within his own division? If you think about it, adding Gray to what they already have, and with that offense, that would set the ‘Stros up for an extended run.

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  120. 120 Vox O'Reason July 20, 2017 at 12:01 pm

    On the local front, Mike Soroka fanned 12 in 7.0 innings for AA Mississippi last night, while yielding just 2 H and 2 R. His ERA in 18 starts this season is 2.38, and just 1.94 over his last 12. I believe he’s gotta be moved up to AAA soon. I also think he could push for a rotation spot as early as next year, at least by mid-season.

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  121. 121 Vox O'Reason July 20, 2017 at 2:00 pm

    Yowser.

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  122. 122 Vox O'Reason July 20, 2017 at 2:31 pm

    Just looking back at something because I heard a reference on the radio to Aaron Judge being “passed up” by Frank Wren.

    In the 2013 draft, we had lost our first round pick due to signing BJ, er Melvin Upton in FA. Our first pick came at #31, which was our own compensation pick for losing Michael Bourn in FA.

    So at #31 we took… Jason Hursh, a guy who is a “decent” relief pitcher but can’t seem to stay in the majors for very long.

    And who was picked at #32?

    Yep, Aaron Judge by the Yankees.

    That kinda hurts.

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  123. 124 Vox O'Reason July 20, 2017 at 4:19 pm

    That was kind of a blind link, wasn’t it? How about this…

    2017 MLB Trade Dealine Countdown Clock: https://fncd.net/embed?id=kYvHfA1

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  124. 125 Vox O'Reason July 20, 2017 at 4:20 pm

    .. or Deadline. Either one. ;-P

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  125. 126 berigan2electricboogaloo July 20, 2017 at 6:04 pm

    In the 2013 draft, we had lost our first round pick due to signing BJ, er Melvin Upton in FA. Our first pick came at #31, which was our own compensation pick for losing Michael Bourn in FA.

    So at #31 we took… Jason Hursh, a guy who is a “decent” relief pitcher but can’t seem to stay in the majors for very long.So at #31 we took… Jason Hursh, a guy who is a “decent” relief pitcher but can’t seem to stay in the majors for very long.

    And who was picked at #32?

    Yep, Aaron Judge by the Yankees.

    That kinda hurts.

    To be fair though, in 2009, Wren drafted Mike Minor #7…and the Angels picked Mike Trout #25

    Imagine how much better any team would be with both of those guys on the same team???

    Look how bad most of the picks were that year…all those teams that didn’t bother to pic Trout…heck, the Angels picked Randal Grichuk (didn’t even know he was an Angel) before Trout
    https://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/?year_ID=2009&draft_round=1&draft_type=junreg&query_type=year_round&from_type_jc=0&from_type_hs=0&from_type_4y=0&from_type_unk=0

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  126. 127 berigan2electricboogaloo July 20, 2017 at 7:27 pm

    ummm, err….it’s gonna be a good one, right? I mean…thats the best they can get with so many teams needing pitchers?
    https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/07/twins-braves-engaged-in-talks-on-jaime-garcia.html

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  127. 128 Gil in Mechanicsville July 20, 2017 at 7:47 pm

    The MLB baseball draft reminds me of playing roulette. Sure, there can be big winners, I never was one, but most of the time it is the house that wins. And everyone has a equal opportunity to go broke. Think Ted Van Poppel…

    The Braves current most highly rate prospect was not drafted. Just saying folks….

    The lesson, in this all I think is, the more eyes you have scouting, the better chance you have a discovering a talent. Look at what happened to the gNats when MLB took over the team and then gutted their minor league system. It has taken them a long time to get to being a respected team.

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  128. 129 Vox O'Reason July 20, 2017 at 10:28 pm

    Garcia to Minnie is done except for formalities. Don’t know return, but hope it’s AA pitcher Stephen Gonsalves.

    On a related note, Aaron Blair was pulled from his start tonight beforehand. He’s either included or on his way to LA.

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  129. 130 Vox O'Reason July 20, 2017 at 10:44 pm

    So why would they call in Blair to make the start? Doesn’t make sense. Lucas Sims is on track to pitch tomorrow anyway and is seemingly the next man up. Blair? He may give up 20 to the Dodgers.

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  130. 131 berigan2electricboogaloo July 20, 2017 at 11:59 pm

    V, I hope you are right about Stephen Gonsalves, that would be great! perhaps toss in a relief pitcher too…
    as for Blair, if not Sims, why not….Matt Wisler? 3 starts in a row of 7 innings, 7 starts in a row giving up 3 runs or less….
    Maybe Blair is going to the Twins? I hear they are paying all of Garcia’s salary….can’t believe the braves would be cheap in that they’d give up an arm to get the salary relief, but a lot of teams do things like this….

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  131. 132 berigan2electricboogaloo July 21, 2017 at 12:06 am

    I misread the stats of Blair’s last starts, I though most recent starts were at the top of the chart, but they were at the bottom…
    so, he’s been….better. Not great, but 5 innings, 3 runs last start, 7 innings 2 runs earned, the start before that….perhaps …. spitballin’ here…IF he had a decent start perhaps he could be traded with Julio and a few others for a said #1….
    http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?sid=milb&player_id=594760#/career/R/pitching/2017/ALL

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  132. 133 Vox O'Reason July 21, 2017 at 8:20 am

    As of this morning, an agreement between MIN and ATL has not been reached.

    I think they were very close at one point last night because Jaime left the dugout. When he reappeared stil in uniform midway through the game, it was evident a snag had occurred somewhere.

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  133. 134 Vox O'Reason July 21, 2017 at 8:26 am

    I felt we had a chance for a win last night with Folty on the mound. I’m really proud of how he has developed, and still has more to go. But he’s a real pitcher now. He has cemented himself as a solid #3 for the moment, with a real chance to be a solid #2.

    Way to go, boys. Way to bounce back against baseball’s hottest teams.

    And I still believe we can take another of the remaining 3. A split in Dodger Stadium would be huge.

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  134. 135 Vox O'Reason July 21, 2017 at 8:28 am

    From DO’B:

    Kurt Suzuki hit a big two-run homer for the Braves in Thursday’s win against the Dodgers, then the veteran catcher left the team to attend his grandfather’s funeral this weekend in Hawaii, where Suzuki is from. While Suzuki is on the bereavement list through the weekend, Anthony Recker has been called from Triple-A Gwinnett to back up catcher.

    Condolences to Kurt and his family. I will pray for them.

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  135. 136 Vox O'Reason July 21, 2017 at 8:34 am

    So here’s the thing…

    In order for Recker to be added to the active roster today, he has to first be added to the 40-man, which is full.

    Scouring the list, there isn’t any obvious choice to be DFA’d. Then again, maybe EOF is the guy. I doubt anyone would claim him off waivers. Maybe he’s a candidate to be moved to the 60-day DL. I wonder if Adonis can be bumped to the 60-day DL with his finger sprain?

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  136. 137 Vox O'Reason July 21, 2017 at 8:37 am

    Then again, if they do finalize the deal to send Jaime to MIN, his 40-man roster spot will open up. Blair is already on, so he’s good. And maybe that’s why he’s the apparent callup for a start tonight. Lucas Sims is not on the 40-man.

    An since the team did not know of Suzuki’s bereavement situation when Blair was scratched earlier in the evening, it makes you wonder just what Coppy had planned for Jaime’s 40-man spot.

    Hmmm…

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  137. 138 Vox O'Reason July 21, 2017 at 8:39 am

    Wait… my fault. Lucas Sims is already on the 40-man. Now I’m scratching my head over Blair again.

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  138. 139 Vox O'Reason July 21, 2017 at 8:44 am

    OK… here’s what I think could be the case. They scratched Blair from his start last night because they thought there was a chance they could get this done, but it wasn’t a certainty. So they flew Blair out to the west coast just in case, but want Sims to pitch his normal turn in any case. If the trade of Jaime goes down, Blair makes a spot start tonight, then Sims take over the rotation slot next time through… unless Coppy has something bigger in the cooker waiting on the departure of Jaime. There’s even a chance Blair’s name has come up in discussions and some scout wants to see him against major league bats.

    Whew! That was even too convoluted for me!

    As the great Joaquin Andujar once said, “There is one word in America that says it all, and that one word is, ‘You never know.'”

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  139. 140 Gil in Mechanicsville July 21, 2017 at 8:46 am

    Strange doings eh? I kept waiting to hear who the Braves picked up from the Twins but a snag?

    Great game by the good guys last night, never a for sure thing but sure enough.

    Matt Adams really took a shot off the catcher, I would have bowled him over. Matt is lucky he didn’t break his leg. Stupid rule cause more injuries that it prevents.

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  140. 141 Vox O'Reason July 21, 2017 at 8:49 am

    One last point of speculation, then I’ll leave it alone until we have some definitive news.

    One of the players the Braves may be looking at in Minnie’s system is minor league pitcher Lewis Thorpe, who has great upside but is currently recovering from TJ surgery. (The Braves have done this before with Max Fried as you’ll recall.) He’s a 21-year-old at high-A. It could simply be a case of medical evaluations from their own doctors, which don’t always happen instantaneously.

    Or maybe he got a better offer as news of MIN began to leak out.

    I hope that’s the case.

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  141. 142 Gil in Mechanicsville July 21, 2017 at 8:52 am

    Yes Vee, you were/are pretty spot on with your win probability assessment. A split with the Dodger would be a moral victory. Well, more than a moral victory but y’all get the idea.

    Perhaps Coppy does not want to start Simms with a loss.

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  142. 143 berigan2electricboogaloo July 21, 2017 at 8:53 am

    V, I was spitballin’ above about a team wanting to see Blair in the bigs again…I know…it’s far out there. Might be he was to be packaged with Garcia for a bigger haul (like the guy you mentioned above at AA)
    Or, he could be headed out in another deal…or just pitching tonight.
    Honestly, I loved the braves got to an early lead and beat the Dodgers, It just didn’t seem all that probable, with the Dodgers being just about the best winning streak ever. Did you hear that the Dodgers are 44-0 in games where they had the lead at any point during the game? Something no one has even heard of before. Well, I guess they heard of it, after doing some research
    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2722815-los-angeles-dodgers-break-111-year-old-record-wednesday

    They are incredible, yet they don’t feel like the Astros did, at least in last night’s game…

    But….I am pretty sure Coppy wanted the deal done BEFORE todays game. Can you imagine if he gave up 7 runs in 2 innings, or something?

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  143. 144 Gil in Mechanicsville July 21, 2017 at 8:59 am

    You have to wonder who spilled the beans on the Garcia trade, that is the price you pay for having loose lips in your front office, a deal isn’t a deal until the paperwork is done.

    Vee, you may be right in your assessment on a possibly better deal for the Braves but I would not think Coppy would go back on a verbal agreement. Perhaps some hemming and hawing going on.

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  144. 145 Vox O'Reason July 21, 2017 at 9:07 am

    Might be he was to be packaged with Garcia for a bigger haul (like the guy you mentioned above at AA)

    That’s exactly what I really hope. In fact, if the Braves want to pry Stephen Gonsalves away, it’ll almost certainly take more than 4 months of Jaime Garcia.

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  145. 146 Vox O'Reason July 21, 2017 at 9:09 am

    But….I am pretty sure Coppy wanted the deal done BEFORE todays game.

    There’s still time. There’s still plenty of time.

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  146. 147 berigan2electricboogaloo July 21, 2017 at 9:09 am

    I think the Dodgers players and their fans were shocked that they could actually lose a game, and to the braves of all teams….

    Ok wasting some time for no good reason….I was wondering if Blair had a good game against the Dodgers last year…nope, didn’t face them.
    Hard to believe he had a 7.59 ERA last year…I mean, I knew he wasn’t good but still…wow..
    Here’s the thing. 5 of his 15 starts were quality starts. Not really a good number, but…2 of his last 3 starts were. Last start (against Detroit naturally) 6 innings, 2 runs, 10 strikeouts!
    But, teams just see the 7.59, and think, he can’t pitch in the majors…so, perhaps since they don’t want to give up on him yet, since he’s 25 and a former #1 pick, they will give him a few starts (well, he could get in 2 before the deadline, right?) and if he pitches ok, package him in a deal, if he pitches really well, keep him up here. (he had a 4.05 ERA after his first 4 starts, Sean Newcomb has a 4.86 ERA after 7 starts)
    It’s part of the reason I wish they had cut bait with Colon earlier….(or not even signed him in the first place) Just like with Dansby, sooner or later, you have to find out what they can do at this level. Wisler is really having a good year at AAA, but he only had 1 start with Atlanta, he’s been a reliever otherwise, and doesn’t seem to be a good one….but they need to find out what they can do here, don’t they? No one is making offers for them, it appears….

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  147. 148 Vox O'Reason July 21, 2017 at 10:04 am

    According to Bowman, the hang up in the deal is simply reaching an agreement over players and money. He also notes that both the Astros and the Royals have shown interest in Jsime. This could be nothing more than MIN trying to lowball the return, and Coppy trying to maximize the return. All part of the game.

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  148. 149 Gil in Mechanicsville July 21, 2017 at 10:10 am

    If a team (San Fran) is willing to sign the Panda after what he did/didn’t do in Boston, there has to be hope for nearly every ball player in America to play in a big league game.

    Colon has made noises that he may retire, unfortunately for the Braves, they are left with fully funding his pension. One can live pretty well in the D.R. on $12 million dollars US.

    Isn’t it funny how a win can lift your skew your perspective on a team you had given up for dead just 24 hours ago? I guess we’ll just have to wait for the Braves to play out this string before performing last rites over their collective bodies. Speaking of which, that Freddie Freeman dude plays pretty good for a sick guy.

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  149. 150 Gil in Mechanicsville July 21, 2017 at 10:13 am

    the hang up in the deal is simply reaching an agreement over players and money.

    Isn’t that the hang up on every deal?

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  150. 151 berigan2electricboogaloo July 21, 2017 at 10:19 am

    Ken Rosenthal still works for Fox Sports (and MLB) but, apparently a month ago Fox Sports.com decided to go all video…so he now has to write stuff on facebook….good grief…

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  151. 152 Gil in Mechanicsville July 21, 2017 at 10:20 am

    Pretty sure the Braves had the Quintana deal locked up but for the hang up over “players and money”… One has to wonder about Bowman sometimes….

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  152. 153 Gil in Mechanicsville July 21, 2017 at 10:31 am

    Actually, reading his stuff on Facebook is easier because you don’t have to contend with all the ads.

    By the way, the guy who made the decision to cut the print stuff, go all video and fired a bunch of staff at Fox Sports got canned himself last week.

    Ah, the way of the corporate world, at least they don’t shoot you in the head like some regimes have been known to do in the past (or maybe still do).

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  153. 154 Vox O'Reason July 21, 2017 at 11:02 am

    I think Bow’s statement over players and money was in response to someone asking him if medicals were hanging up the deal. Since I had wondered the same, I simply posted Bow’s response without reference. I probably should have provided context.

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  154. 155 berigan2electricboogaloo July 21, 2017 at 11:02 am

    Interesting stuff Gil, I did not know that…of course, I didn’t even know they did away with their website (basically) til I went to Rosenthal’s twitter site…I was DYING to know who we were getting…clearly…I had to get over the fact that no info was forthcoming…..I was really surprised to see Tim K, Jayson Stark, Gammons, no one really has even posting much the last few days…weird.

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  155. 156 berigan2electricboogaloo July 21, 2017 at 11:24 am

    funny, just a few weeks ago, espn was acting like it was a joke for him to be bumped up a level 😉 https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2017/07/20/tebow-cites-comfort-reason-recent-surge/491632001/

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  156. 157 Gil in Mechanicsville July 21, 2017 at 3:50 pm

    Vee, I hope you didn’t think my being a smart ass was directed towards you, it is just sometimes things are so obvious it begs for derision… 🙂

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  157. 158 Gil in Mechanicsville July 21, 2017 at 5:10 pm

    A really good and thoughtful opine by DOB. Just the truth on so many levels.

    http://atlantabraves.blog.ajc.com/2017/07/21/everythings-always-changing-and-camargo-is-moving-up/

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  158. 159 Vox O'Reason July 21, 2017 at 5:18 pm

    Yes it is.

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  159. 160 Vox O'Reason July 21, 2017 at 5:20 pm

    Vee, I hope you didn’t think my being a smart ass was directed towards you,

    Not at all… but I did leave out all context. My internet has been out all day until about a half hour ago and I was working off my phone, which is nearly impossible to do.

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  160. 161 Vox O'Reason July 21, 2017 at 5:34 pm

    See ya EOF. He’s been “released” by the Braves today to open up his spot on the 40-man roster for Anthony Recker. The report says “released”, but it seems to me a player has to be put through release waivers (7 days) before he can be officially released, thus the usual DFA tag. I must look deeper.

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  161. 162 Gil in Mechanicsville July 21, 2017 at 5:36 pm

    Easy-O given his release to make room for Wreck It Ralph.. Looks like you were right on with that one Notre-VOX.

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  162. 163 Vox O'Reason July 21, 2017 at 5:41 pm

    Well, the official announcement from the Braves says he’s been released. Not sure how that worked, but it did. Perhaps he had already been run through waivers previously and we just didn’t know it? Probably.

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  163. 164 Gil in Mechanicsville July 21, 2017 at 6:21 pm

    Well, it was pretty hot here today, hit the big 100… Not a record but a heck of an average. Fortunately, AC was invented many years ago. I remember when only an occasional restaurant and movie theaters had AC… Man, he we gotten spoiled or what?

    Another 10 PM start, bah… I may record it and watch it tomorrow.

    I hope Jamie Garcia pitches a no hitter tonight, boost that package of prospects coming back.

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  164. 165 Vox O'Reason July 21, 2017 at 9:28 pm

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  165. 166 chrisklob July 21, 2017 at 11:45 pm

    grand slam jaime garcia? WHAT? and off the guy that’s been the best nl starter this year?

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  166. 167 berigan2electricboogaloo July 22, 2017 at 12:19 am

    Holy Toledo! and here I was worrying that Garcia would give up a ton of runs….didn’t expect it to be Alex Wood to give up 9 runs! (first 2 homers he has allowed…all season…to lefties, 1 to Freddie the other to Garcia!!!)
    first grand slam by a braves pitcher since….get this…1966!!!

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  167. 168 chrisklob July 22, 2017 at 12:58 am

    ber, i was worried about that too. wood has been unhittable this year and with all the rumors surrounding garcia today i didn’t know how he might react.

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  168. 169 Gil in Mechanicsville July 22, 2017 at 7:18 am

    Who would have thunk it? 12-3 Braves, gland slam by Garcia…. DUH!

    Do we dare hope the Braves pull off and upset and take this series from LA? Possible… Not probable but possible, and here I was worried that the Braves would get swept by the Dodgers. I guess that is why “You never know” .

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  169. 170 Vox O'Reason July 22, 2017 at 8:41 am

    *I guess that is why “You never know” *

    Indeed it’s why they actually play the game on the field. But wow.

    Is Jaime trying to get traded? Is he trying to make a case to stay? Is he just simply a gamer?

    And the more important question, which Julio do we get today?

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  170. 171 Vox O'Reason July 22, 2017 at 8:44 am

    Wouldn’t you have liked to hear that first post-game phone call to Coppy…

    “Hey, we were just talking here in Minnesota and have reconsidered a couple things you said…”

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  171. 172 Vox O'Reason July 22, 2017 at 8:45 am

    Of course Coppy’s response was, “Yeah, I’ve reconsidered a couple things too.”

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  172. 173 Gil in Mechanicsville July 22, 2017 at 9:51 am

    Perhaps the most surprising thing is the sudden outburst of offense, especially after getting smoked by the Cubs. So, the dream is still alive. Not really part of the national conversation but still relevant to any team that has to play them.

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  173. 174 Carolina Lady July 22, 2017 at 12:49 pm

    Welcome to THISDOGHASSTYLE who has joined the great folks who are following Braves & Stuff! Hope you’ll join in the conversation!

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  174. 175 Gil in Mechanicsville July 22, 2017 at 12:51 pm

    While I’m thinking about it, I guess that the more important thing is for the Braves themselves to feel they are still relevant. They sure are playing like it. Sort of like when they went on a tear at the end of last season.

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  175. 176 berigan2electricboogaloo July 22, 2017 at 4:34 pm

    SATURDAY 1:32pm: Righty Nick Burdi was involved in the deal, Rosenthal tweets. Burdi had Tommy John surgery in late May and will be out until next season. The Braves already obviously would have been aware of that, and they haven’t shied away from acquiring injured pitchers in the past (such as Max Fried, who they got when they traded Justin Upton to the Padres in the 2014-15 offseason). So perhaps the player whose medicals they took issue with was someone else. It’s still possible, though, that they saw less than they hoped for in Burdi’s medical reports. The 24-year-old Burdi had an 0.53 ERA, 10.6 K/9 and 2.1 BB/9 in 17 relief innings with Double-A Chattanooga before the injury.

    11:30am: Talks between the Braves and Twins came to an impasse due to a medical issue the Braves had with a prospect they would have received from the Twins, FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal tweets. The two sides are currently considering other options, though they could return to the table at some point.

    https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/07/twins-braves-engaged-in-talks-on-jaime-garcia.html

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  176. 177 Vox O'Reason July 22, 2017 at 5:53 pm

    Yup. But now there are up to 8 teams calling according to published reports. Coppy is probably grinning.

    Reminds me of how all the old A-Team episodes used to end, with their leader lighting a cigar and saying, “I love it when s plan comes together.”

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  177. 178 Gil in Mechanicsville July 22, 2017 at 6:30 pm

    I was trying to remember the name of the hot shot, can’t miss reliever the Braves signed away from the Yankees last winter, was it Jacob Lindgren? Had Tommy John in August surgery and I think the Yanks were trying to sneak him thru waivers or something and non-tendered him. If it is the same guy, I think the Braves signed him for a million bucks and have stashed him for next season.

    The Braves have a history of taking chances with rehabbing guys since they have altered their timeline for return from 12 months back to 18 months.

    I think the Braves might be able to do a little better than Burdi but it may really be how much the Twins are willing to pick up in salary too. I would imagine there are a lot of teams which won’t get Sonny Grey who would be pretty happy with Garcia. Heck, I’m pretty happy with Garcia. I think it is a really damned if I do, damned if I don’t situation for Coppy.

    I don’t think the team would feel all that confident with replacing Jamie with Aaron Blair. they already have a number 5 with Newk.

    Tough assignment by the way for him against Kershaw but sometimes tough competition can bring out the best in a player. Plus, he will be playing close to home. Just keep it close, be aggressive and don’t be walking players. It is what changes solo homers into 3 run homers PDQ.

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  178. 179 Gil in Mechanicsville July 23, 2017 at 11:09 am

    For a place that has a reputation of being tough to hit home-runs in, Dodger Stadium sure is playing small. A couple of streaks that continues last night uninterrupted. The Dodgers are now 45-0 when leading in a game at any point. That is pretty mind boggling. Julio continues to give up gofer balls at an alarming rate. 25 in 23 games… Last season he gave up 22 in 30 games.

    One streak that fell was Julio’s perfect record away from STP… Pretty tough to keep every streak intact. No ties in baseball….

    The turning point last night however was the ball dropped at home by Flowers allowing the third run to score by the Dodgers. It changed the entire tenner of the game.

    So, tough assignment today against Kershaw but like they say, “You never know”

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  179. 180 berigan2electricboogaloo July 23, 2017 at 3:40 pm

    Gil, I kept hearing from…well, either Joe/Skip/Jerome (Mind like a steel trap I have 😉 ) that Flowers dropped the ball, but wouldn’t it be more accurate to say it was knocked out, after the runner ran into his glove?
    scoring 2 runs makes it hard to win….amazing how the Dodgers are now 45-0 once they have a lead, eh?
    Jaime is better at keeping the ball in the park than Julio…too bad Julio doesn’t try to develop a sinker of some sort….

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  180. 181 Vox O'Reason July 23, 2017 at 4:06 pm

    OJT

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  181. 182 Vox O'Reason July 23, 2017 at 4:31 pm

    Uh oh. Well, that’s one way to get to Kershaw. Seriously, I hope he’s not hurt. Nobody wants to win that way.

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  182. 183 Gil in Mechanicsville July 23, 2017 at 4:34 pm

    True Ber, the ball was knocked loose, maybe…

    Tough assignment for the Bravos today, can we really be disappointed if the Braves get out of town with a split? Sure we can but considering the chances we were giving them coming in, I’ll take it.

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  183. 184 Gil in Mechanicsville July 23, 2017 at 4:37 pm

    No it isn’t VOX, my guess is lower back. Just had that sort of vibe to it.

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  184. 185 Gil in Mechanicsville July 23, 2017 at 4:38 pm

    WHEW! Thought that was gone…. Keep it in the park Newk…

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  185. 186 berigan2electricboogaloo July 23, 2017 at 4:53 pm

    use guys notice Newcomb has another gear today? I swear I hadn’t seen higher than 93 MPH ,and I have seen 94-95 with at least one 96 MPH. And throwing high fastballs is getting him some much needed strikeouts….

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  186. 187 berigan2electricboogaloo July 23, 2017 at 5:00 pm

    I swear he looks a bit different, more upright on the mound? Can’t tell exactly.
    And man, take BP out already Snit! He’s hurtin’

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  187. 188 Gil in Mechanicsville July 23, 2017 at 5:03 pm

    BP is deathly afraid he will be Wally Pipped if he goes on the DL…

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  188. 189 Gil in Mechanicsville July 23, 2017 at 5:07 pm

    Funny, Joe and Chip talking about Newks ball & strike ratio, I don’t know if he is missing a lot or just not getting calls. This Dodger team is one your really don’t want to just throw down the middle to. Just keep getting outs kid…

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  189. 190 berigan2electricboogaloo July 23, 2017 at 5:48 pm

    and Joe was thinking after their catcher (something Barnes) hit the 3 run homer how Flowers was motioning for a high pitch (high and in) and how he doesn’t have much command in the strike zone, so to expect him to go high wasn’t likely to happen…Chip chimed in with pitchers are told to keep it down, and how Glavine said some guys can’t pitch high….did they both sleep thru the 2-3 high fastball swinging strikeouts earlier in the game???(more high and outside to righties)
    And Matt Adams and FF seem to want to swing at everything thrown over the plate today…odd…

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  190. 191 Gil in Mechanicsville July 23, 2017 at 6:49 pm

    D***! 3 run homer ties it up for the Braves in the ninth…

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  191. 192 Gil in Mechanicsville July 23, 2017 at 7:56 pm

    Okay, it wasn’t win but pretty close, can’t feel too bad about how things turned out. Now, need to get at least a split in Arizona. It’s all good…

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  192. 193 chrisklob July 24, 2017 at 1:23 am

    gotta say i’m pretty impressed by the way they played this weekend. manhandling one of the best teams in the league for two games and going toe-to-toe in the second two is pretty impressive. i’m still resigned to the fact that this season is a lost cause but pretty excited about some of the play i’ve seen. still not consistently great of course, but you can see flashes of it, not unlike what we saw at the end of last year.

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  193. 194 Vox O'Reason July 24, 2017 at 7:50 am

    Prophet star to Gil who said of Newk before the game:

    Just keep it close, be aggressive and don’t be walking players. It is what changes solo homers into 3 run homers PDQ.

    … and that was the turning point the game.

    I had to laugh a little at Joe Simpson though, who before that blast was remarking about Newk’s aggressiveness, or lack thereof. He spoke of him NOT attacking the strike zone as he walked 2 in a row, which prompted a mound visit from Chuck Hernandez. Newk responded to the meeting by getting ahead of Austin Barnes 0-2.

    Joe, of course, quickly pointed it out, and then said (and I’m paraphrasing), “He needs to not be fancy. Just continue to attack the strike zone. Even if the batter hits the ball, 7 times out of 10 he’ll will make an out.” And Barnes did hit the ball. Hard. Line drive. Over the left field wall. I was envisioning Joe like this:

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  194. 195 Vox O'Reason July 24, 2017 at 7:56 am

    i’m still resigned to the fact that this season is a lost cause but pretty excited about some of the play i’ve seen

    My sentiment too, except that instead of it being a “lost cause” per se, I see it more as a step toward where we want to be… which is why we need to stay the course and make the trades necessary to set us up for the next steps. Jaime, BP, Adams… get what you can now and let those with a future in the franchise continue their acclimation. Those who are being counted on to anchor the franchise going forward need to sink or swim now. Next year is the year to contend, not to develop.

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  195. 196 Vox O'Reason July 24, 2017 at 8:04 am

    The Brewers and Yanks are the latest 2 teams to be connected to Jaime Garcia. And as far as I can tell, NYY still needs a 1B too. Can’t we help them out with both? Who doesn’t love a good multi-player deal?

    The guy who probably will not be traded is BP. The combination of there being a slow (nearly non-existent) market for 2B combined with his nagging hammy will probably crush those chances. Too bad, too. As much as I live the guy, and he’s been better than expected, we need to loosen our middle IF logjam. And we need a place for Ozzie to play.

    I don’t see BP as a very good August trade candidate either. With Cincy paying most of his 2017 salary, he’ll never make it through trade waivers.

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  196. 197 Vox O'Reason July 24, 2017 at 8:08 am

    Oh…

    I’ve all but abandoned the notion that Coppy will land one of the top controllable starters. The market price is just too high right now.

    But you can just about bet the mortgage he’ll address it in the off-season.

    (Bet the mortgage? Where does that phrase even come from? I’d love to lose a bet involving my mortgage. You can have it! As long as I get to keep the house, of course.)

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  197. 198 Gil in Mechanicsville July 24, 2017 at 9:29 am

    Bet the mortgage? An amalgamation (blog first?) of mortgage the farm and bet the house maybe? Never heard it before…

    Newk certainly kicked it into another gear after giving up the 3 run homer. Maybe Snit should give him a swift kick in the pants before each start to make sure he stays focused. It was night and day different in his approach. Sort of like the difference we have seen in Folty. A coming of age moment I hope for the young lefty.

    Okay, Jim Johnson… Looks like he is hitting the wall out there. I like the guy, think he can be money some nights but not worth two cents on other occasions. I guess that is why we have not heard his name mentioned in trade rumors.

    When do we see Minter in a big Braves uni?

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  198. 199 Vox O'Reason July 24, 2017 at 9:43 am

    Looks like Jaime’s next start is scheduled for the Wednesday afternoon getaway game at 3:40pm in Phoenix. If he should make that start, it will surely be his last in a Braves uni in 2017 as his next turn would fall on Aug. 1. But quite honestly, I’ll be surprised if he makes that start. I think he’ll be moved before then. Coppy walked a tightrope with Jaime’s start in LA and it paid off with a stellar outing. Jaime’s value probably cannot be any more enhanced by repeating it, but it can sure be diminished if he Bartolos. I hope Coppy doesn’t take that chance.

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  199. 200 Vox O'Reason July 24, 2017 at 10:12 am

    Jim Johnson… Looks like he is hitting the wall out there.

    Yep. Sure looks that way.

    When do we see Minter in a big Braves uni?

    Minter is now in his 2nd season following TJ surgery, And as we’ve seen many times, that’s usually the season that is a bit of a struggle. It’s no different for Minter.

    If you’ll recall, he had his TJ while still at Texas A&M, and was drafted with that knowledge. He had his first pro season last year, and did pretty well piling up 47 K’s in 34.2 IP and finishing with a 1.30 ERA across 3 levels (both A’s and AA). But the Braves were cautious with his rehab and gave him at least 2 games rest between appearances.

    Then he got off to a rough start in spring this year and started the season on the DL with “radial tunnel syndrome”, or inflamed nerves in his forearm. They treated him with anti-inflammatories and rest which caused him to start 2017 late.

    He appeared in his first game in Gwinnett on April 11, but he did not pitch again until June 12 because of an adductor strain. He currently has a 4.70 ERA in 17 appearances. He does have 21 K’s in those 15.1 IP showing the stuff that got him drafted. The good news is that his arm looks healthy and he appears to be getting stronger with each appearance.

    From what I’ve read, he could easily be a second half callup at some point.

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  200. 201 Vox O'Reason July 24, 2017 at 11:54 am

    Kinda wonder if after Kershaw went down with a back injury if the Dodgers thought about the guy across the diamond that beat them Friday night. Jaime’s still out west. He could be back in LA in no time.

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  201. 202 Vox O'Reason July 24, 2017 at 11:56 am

    BTW… the trade deadline is 1 week from today at 4pm. Getting down to brass tacks.

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  202. 203 Vox O'Reason July 24, 2017 at 12:02 pm

    Here’s something to consider. According to Jon Heyman, the A’s have “set the price” on Sonny Gray, and it’s a whopper. And according to Rosenthal, the Astros have turned away from pursuing Gray and are now looking hard at Jaime. Seems a good match to me.

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  203. 204 Gil in Mechanicsville July 24, 2017 at 12:05 pm

    I’m sure Coppy’s phone has been busy this weekend. I have to believe that the Jamie Garcia sweepstakes is somewhat dependent on if and when Sonny Grey, Justin Verlander or Yu Darvish are traded. You also get the feeling that there is something of a bidding war taking place on Garcia.

    No doubt, Jamie is a rental. You hate to pay the full purchase price for a temp but depends on your needs and how deep your pockets are. It also appears things are very fluid right now as far as who is still in and who is out. There is still a lot of games to be played and like the Pirates suddenly getting hot and inversely, the Brew Crew nose diving.

    So, my predictions… Brandon Phillips will remain with the Braves this season. As Vee said, the market is just not there for an aging 2nd baseman who is dinged up. The only reason for the Braves to move him is to allow Ozzie to move up and I don’t think that is going to happen until September when the rosters expand.

    Matt Adams just does not get enough love… I would just a soon hold onto him and play him against right handers and have his bat available on days he doesn’t start.

    I think everyone other than the most rabid fans know that Braves team can get better but like every other major league team, it is the pitching staff that offers the greatest potential for improvement.

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  204. 205 Vox O'Reason July 24, 2017 at 12:07 pm

    Alan Carpenter at Tomahawk Take reports that the Dodgers had scouts looking at Lucas Sims on Saturday. That’s kind of intriguing.

    BTW – Sims dominated against the Indianapolis Indians striking out 9 over 7 IP and giving up only 3 singles and 1 BB. (And for what it’s worth, in the same game Ozzie smashed a 403-foot HR to tie him for the team lead in HR’s with 9. Have I mentioned he’s ready?)

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  205. 206 Gil in Mechanicsville July 24, 2017 at 12:12 pm

    …the A’s have “set the price” on Sonny Gray, and it’s a whopper.

    Well, Sonny grey, in addition to being a very good pitcher, still has controllable years left on his contract. He is the kind of player you trade good prospects for. Think Huddy…

    of course if Sonny grey’s asking price is a whopper, one has to think Garcia’s asking price is now a Whopper Junior… Every time a pitcher is taken off the table, Jamie’s price likely goes up.

    IMO, Garcia staying with the Braves for the duration would not be a totally bad thing.

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  206. 207 Gil in Mechanicsville July 24, 2017 at 12:19 pm

    On a different note, looks like “The answer to Everything” has finally found a place where his inexperience has become evident. He’s hitting .240ish. The better the slider, the tougher the at-bat. Ask Dansby. The young shortstop is so bumfuzzleed right now, he has no idea of when to swing and when to take. He is swinging at balls outside the zone and taking fastballs down the middle. Add the fact he is getting absolutely no benefit of the doubt on close pitches from umps either. Only adds to the frustration.

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  207. 208 Vox O'Reason July 24, 2017 at 12:19 pm

    I believe Kurt Suzuki should return from the bereavement list today. I think Julio may have missed him Saturday.

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  208. 209 Gil in Mechanicsville July 24, 2017 at 12:19 pm

    Okay, time to get some chores done.. Later guys…

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  209. 210 Vox O'Reason July 24, 2017 at 12:21 pm

    IMO, Garcia staying with the Braves for the duration would not be a totally bad thing.

    Hmmm… maybe. He’s fun to watch, but even if he gives us a few more wins this season, we’ll still miss the playoffs and he’ll still sign somewhere else in FA at season’s end and the Braves will have nothing to show for it.

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  210. 211 Vox O'Reason July 24, 2017 at 12:29 pm

    The young shortstop is so bumfuzzleed right now

    Joe Simpson pointed out some very evident flaws in his mechanics Saturday. His timing is completely off. And of course… how do you fix those mechanics and regain timing? Right… by getting consistent AB’s.

    If he isn’t going to play here, then demote him and let him play there. I’ve said (typed) it over and over until I’m blue in the fingers. The guy has to play every day. Sitting on the pine only compounds the problems. In fact, we’re getting past the point of it being awkward and getting closer to it being detrimental.

    Free Dansby!

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  211. 212 Gil in Mechanicsville July 24, 2017 at 1:38 pm

    I think Dansby, unlike Francouer, would probably welcome the opportunity to get his mind right and work some things out. Sure, no one like being demoted but face the facts, he has been supplanted by Carmargo and he is not helping the team or himself.

    It is not without precedence and I fear it won’t be long before the boo birds will begin to exercise their vocal cords. When the cheers turn to jeers, it is time to hit the reset. Atlanta fans are nice to a fault. If Dansby was in New York, he would have to wear ear plugs just to go outside.

    So, perhaps Coppy is planning to make all his moves at once. Not good for continuity but maybe more like ripping off the old band aid all at once.

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  212. 213 Gil in Mechanicsville July 24, 2017 at 1:44 pm

    The other night, Joe Simpson noted that J-Hey twisted his top hand just prior to swinging the bat. I did a little experiment and notice it was nearly impossible to get a smooth swing when doing it. The twist causes one to inversely swing down on the ball. Okay, if you hit the ball just right, it will cause back spin, mostly however you drive the ball into the ground.

    I don’t know how one could fix that, especially when it is involuntary.

    So many little things can mess up a player’s mechanics. It is a wonder anyone can ever hit a baseball.

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  213. 214 Vox O'Reason July 24, 2017 at 1:46 pm

    Personally, I think this continued dance in limbo only increases the pressure he’s feeling. His absence speaks much more loudly than his problems.

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  214. 215 Vox O'Reason July 24, 2017 at 1:53 pm

    Here’s a very relevant article on Dansby that I just ran across, published yesterday and written by Tommy Stokke at Fanrag Sports. It’s a really good read and worth the time required.

    https://www.fanragsports.com/mlb/braves/dansby-swansons-makeup-passing-ultimate-test/

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  215. 216 berigan2electricboogaloo July 24, 2017 at 2:27 pm

    Gil, that’s interesting aboug JHey…I wonder if he did that here????
    I remember posting something Peter Gammons posted about JHey’s swing last year…showing the old vs the new…you wonder why you can’t just go back to what you used to do???
    Funny thing is, his swing looks better to me know than it has in a few years. At least once in awhile he hit’s it hard.

    Gil, you know I Love Matt Adams…in a non..well, you know the way!
    It’s funny, my Dad wasn’t feeling well yesterday, so I didn’t keep the game on, put a movie on for him (He will watch a little baseball, but when the braves are losing, just didn’t see the point of making him watch it for the last 2 innings)

    So, you could have knocked me over with a feather that Adams, who looked to be swinging at everything earlier in the game, to be the guy to hit a 3 run homer off of Jansen, who hadn’t blown a save to this point!

    I do get V’s point…to a point. I don’t think I could ever change his mind on keeping him, but I just think like Justin Bour (29) Justin Smoak (30- looks to be a good year for Justins) and Logan Morrison (30 in august) some guys develop later than others, some get with the right hitting coaches, etc. Matt Adams will be 29 in a month. he had a very good half season with the Cards last year. (12 Hr’s 54 RBi’s in 297 AB’s—I may have pointed this out a few times 😉 )

    I think everything depends on FF at 3rd. Have I missed him diving to his left or right? Seems I am forever seeing him make the routine plays (no mean feat as we know for some guys) but he’s been like a good umpire, in that nothing is being called to your attention by his actions…

    It sure hasn’t hurt his hitting a bit…

    time will tell…the Yankees, as I am sure other teams in the AL, are a bit wary of an NL guy coming over in he middle of a playoff race. I am sure AL guys like the guy from Oakland, are higher up on their want list…might be able to get more for him in the off season, but if there isn’t a real demand/need for 1st basemen….

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  216. 217 berigan2electricboogaloo July 24, 2017 at 2:34 pm

    V, I agree something needs to be done with Dansby…honestly, AAA is the only thing that makes sense now. Can’t bench Camargo right? BP when in the lineup has been raking (.429 since the all start break)
    so…why not send him down while they are on the road? Don’t get it…unless they fear the marketing hit…and honestly, how can it? Send him down for 2 weeks, see what happens with BP and Adams, or Camargo(though honestly, I could be wrong….it happened once in 79 and again in 93 , but Camargo looks like a real everyday player) but he’s terrible right now, and like you said, how is he going to get better playing 3-4 games a week?

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  217. 218 berigan2electricboogaloo July 24, 2017 at 2:37 pm

    I keep forgetting this, but…the Nats may very well need another arm too.
    and trading interleague would be less painful for a rental, at least from our standpoint…

    Stephen Strasburg left today’s game between the Nationals and Diamondbacks after just two innings. Manager Dusty Baker told MLB.com’s Jamal Collier (Twitter links) and other reporters that the star right-hander was removed as a precautionary measure after Strasburg couldn’t get loose. No tests are scheduled for Strasburg when the team returns to Washington, though he will be examined by team doctors. “An achy forearm [and] general tightness” is how Strasburg described his injury to the media (including Collier), and the righty said that he preferred to leave the game when he did before the problem turned into something serious.

    https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/07/nl-east-notes-strasburg-rizzo-hill-marlins-neshek.html

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  218. 219 Vox O'Reason July 24, 2017 at 3:19 pm

    I do get V’s point…to a point. I don’t think I could ever change his mind on keeping him

    … because we already have a 1B. If the NL were to suddenly adopt the DH, then I’m Matt Adams’ biggest fan. But Freddie Freeman is our 1B. Matt Adams is in the way.

    Let me put it this way…

    Who is a better fielder at 1B, Freddie or Adams? No contest. It’s Freddie.

    Who is a better fielder at 3B, Freddie or Camargo? No contest. It’s Camargo.

    So in order to keep Matt Adams in the lineup, you are compromising the defense at both corners of the infield.

    Not me. Matt Adams has 4 opportunities to affect the game at the plate, 5 at most. But MAdams and Freddie have countless chances to foul it up defensively. It’s unbalanced. And I hate… no, loathe unbalanced. It’s disorder. It’s chaos.

    Trade Adams, restore order, and move forward with The Plan.

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  219. 220 Vox O'Reason July 24, 2017 at 3:35 pm

    V, I agree something needs to be done with Dansby…honestly, AAA is the only thing that makes sense now. Can’t bench Camargo right?

    That is something I do NOT disagree with. Dansby needs to work out his kinks. He needs to go down.

    Camargo looks like a real everyday player

    He absolutely does… for now. Wanna see something interesting?

    Johan Camargo in 2017 thus far has 147 ML plate appearances. He is slashing .314/.336/.471. It’s legit. He’s on a hot streak.

    Dansby was called up late last year and finished 2016 with 145 ML plate appearances. He slashed .302/.361/.442. It was legit too.

    I say that only to pivot to this: We should not be any quicker to anoint Johan in 2017 as we were to anoint Dansby in 2016. Things can change so quickly. In fact, the “book” on Johan will be out soon enough and all teams will have a better idea how to pitch him… just like they did with Dansby.

    Now don’t misunderstand… I hope he continues to rake. In fact, I hope Johan finishes the whole season with those impressive numbers. And I hope he plays every day to do it… at 3B. I just think we all need to “pump the brakes” (a phrase that is becoming overused and annoying, thus you won’t see it from me ever again) when it comes to Johan. I love him, but I don’t think he will turn into the next Carlos Correa.

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  220. 221 Gil in Mechanicsville July 24, 2017 at 4:44 pm

    Okay, let’s tap the breaks… He he..

    Camargo could well grow into a thirdbasemen’s body. He is a little light right now to be a 3rd sacker but he is still pretty young. He has a strong arm and quick feet. And yeah, opposing pitchers will look at the video and discover not to make a mistake to this guy. he is not a home run hitting third baseman, no uppercut.. but he dose hit the ball hard.

    Matt Adams is a role player who is being pressed into everyday service because unlike the Astros, the Braves don’t have an All-star at every position. Pitching and defense are cornerstones of the game but unless you have an offense that can overcome 4 runs a game, the current Braves edition isn’t going to win many ballgames.

    Having Dansby batting eight means an opposing pitcher can see two potential “outs” on the line up card from the get go. How many times have we as Braves fans bemoaned the fact the Braves could load the bases but not get any runs across the plate?

    Adams has said he wants to play everyday but having him available to come off the bench is not a bad thing. Sure beats having a bench made up of Chase d’Arnaud, Jace Peterson and Emilio Bonifacio. Wow, that is gnarly just thinking about it.

    Think about this, how many teams, not named the Dodgers could lose a first baseman like Adrian Gonzalaz and actually get better? How many of the Dodgers player yesterday did we recognize their names other than Kershaw? That is depth and winning teams need depth to get through 162 games just for the privilege to play in the post season which is a completely different game.

    So, I am not opposed to keeping Adams around, especially since no one appears to be beating down the door. I think he is good for a couple of more wins.

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  221. 222 Gil in Mechanicsville July 24, 2017 at 4:48 pm

    Why is Aaron Blair the go to guy to replace Garcia? Last chance for him before he too is traded maybe? Already on the 40 man roster? All of the above?

    Should be a fun spring training next March…

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  222. 223 Gil in Mechanicsville July 24, 2017 at 4:51 pm

    One last inane thought? Do people realize that with today’s Anti Lock breaking systems that pumping the breaks is counter productive?

    Ber, you can keep on pumping on those classics you own but every one else.. well, y’all know… 🙂

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  223. 224 Gil in Mechanicsville July 24, 2017 at 4:57 pm

    Okay, I lied… another thought popped into my head.

    RA Dicky said his knuckle-ball does not work all that well in Colorado, dose that go for Arizona as well? Pretty high altitude in Phoenix. Just wondering?

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  224. 225 Vox O'Reason July 24, 2017 at 5:23 pm

    Why is Aaron Blair the go to guy to replace Garcia? Last chance for him before he too is traded maybe? Already on the 40 man roster?

    I believe it’s nothing more complicated than his turn in the rotation lines up perfectly with Jaime’s. And it doesn’t hurt that he’s already on the 40-man roster.

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  225. 226 Vox O'Reason July 24, 2017 at 5:23 pm

    And there ya go.

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  226. 227 Gil in Mechanicsville July 24, 2017 at 5:28 pm

    Jamie Garcia and Anthony Recker and cash considerations traded to the Twins for a 19 YO right handed minor league pitcher, Huascar Ynoa out of the D.R… I have no idea of how to pronounce his name…. I guess the Braves cleared two 40 man roster spots with that trade.

    Matt Wisler recalled to take Garcia’s spot.

    I have been trying to find out if RA Dickey has ever pitched in Arizona. Just wondering how the high altitude would effect his knuckle ball. I guess I will find out along with everyone else tonight.

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  227. 228 Vox O'Reason July 24, 2017 at 5:29 pm

    Huascar Ynoa is a 19-yr-old in Rookie league… good stuff long way to go. 6’2″, 220 lbs. RH. He was their #22 prospect.

    The poop:

    Ynoa offers an interesting three-pitch mix, with an advanced feel for how to use it for his age, coming from a strong and durable body. He touched 94-95 mph with his fastball at times and he could get there more consistently as he gets stronger. He throws a slurvy breaking ball around 80 mph, with some thinking it might eventually evolve into a solid slider. His changeup is ahead of his breaking ball and he has a pretty good feel for it. Considering his delivery is still raw and he’s trying to get to a point where he repeats it consistently, Ynoa throws a lot of strikes.

    With his pitchability, solid stuff and good pitcher’s frame, Ynoa has all of the ingredients to be a starting pitcher. There are refinements to be made, in both command and breaking stuff, but if his progress from one summer to the next a year ago was any indication, there’s more to come from this young right-hander.

    I would have liked to see a little better prospect in return, but MIN is paying all of Jaime’s remaining salary.

    The move obviously now opens 2 spots on the 40-man.

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  228. 229 Vox O'Reason July 24, 2017 at 5:33 pm

    Why is it significant that MIN took all of the remaining $$ ?

    Bowman:

    The approximate $4.7M saved from Garcia’s salary gives the Braves more flexibility as they pursue controllable frontline SPs

    The Braves are still in on Sonny Gray and other controllable frontline starting pitchers

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  229. 230 Vox O'Reason July 24, 2017 at 5:34 pm

    Reading between the lines… sounds like this is the first shoe to drop. Stay tuned.

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  230. 231 Gil in Mechanicsville July 24, 2017 at 5:41 pm

    Cash amount was $100K, just enough to cover bus fare and meal money for Recker.

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  231. 232 berigan2electricboogaloo July 24, 2017 at 5:55 pm

    wow…all the teams in desperate need of a good starter, and all the braves could get is a 19 y.o. in his 3rd year in….Rookie ball????
    methinks they are hurting more financially than they are letting on

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  232. 233 Gil in Mechanicsville July 24, 2017 at 5:56 pm

    Garcia trade was half salary dump, half getting anything in return. I wish Jamie success in Twinkie land. I know Jamie will like the cooler weather.

    Well, maybe not in October but he will have an honest shot of playing in October…

    Now, time for Matt Wisler to step up and make Coppy happy with his acquisition. Just don’t walk people and keep it in the park Matt.

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  233. 234 Gil in Mechanicsville July 24, 2017 at 6:29 pm

    Ber, It is a very difficult thing to show a profit with a sports franchise not located in LA, NY or Boston. Unlike Ted Turner who had two sets of books and was a privately held entity. The Braves did not make money but it turned TBS into a cash cow of epic proportions.

    If a struggling money pit like the Marlins can be sold for an amount in excess of one billion dollars, I imagine the stock holders will clamor for Liberty to sell the Braves, still a very popular franchise nationally.

    So, while I thought Garcia would net a return greater that what was acquired. I guess rentals do return what they once did.

    Not to worry however, I am sure equilibrium will be return when the Athletics get a haul for Sonny Grey.

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  234. 235 Gil in Mechanicsville July 24, 2017 at 6:32 pm

    Okay, I get why the Braves brought up Wisler, gives them an addition relief pitcher and will swap out Wisler for Blair Wednesday and I would not be surprised to see sent down after the game and another reliever brought up and a different pitcher (Simms) take a turn in Philly.

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  235. 236 Gil in Mechanicsville July 24, 2017 at 6:35 pm

    Delta’s going to be pretty busy this week.

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  236. 237 Vox O'Reason July 24, 2017 at 7:42 pm

    Yes. Wislwr for the bullpen now, Blair for the Wednesday start, and Sims for the rotation spot. That’s the chatter.

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  237. 238 Vox O'Reason July 24, 2017 at 7:44 pm

    And the word is not so much salary “dump”, as salary “reallocation”. There is a really effort to acquire a bona fide top starter, either now or failing rhat in the offseason.

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  238. 239 Vox O'Reason July 24, 2017 at 7:45 pm

    Blogging from my phone is always a typong challenge.

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  239. 240 Vox O'Reason July 24, 2017 at 7:46 pm

    *typing

    See what I mean?

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  240. 241 Carolina Lady July 24, 2017 at 7:48 pm

    Thinking back to the days when the Braves managed to assemble Glavine, Smoltz, Avery, and Maddux. Wasn’t an easy task (and they had a lot of money to spend thanks to Ted). Be interesting to see what comes out of all this.

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  241. 242 berigan2electricboogaloo July 24, 2017 at 7:54 pm

    V. Doing same thing here as i am in e.r. again. Not for me bit for my Dad.(some breathing issues)

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  242. 243 berigan2electricboogaloo July 24, 2017 at 7:56 pm

    Guess yamkees cub astros just didnt want jaime. Cant just be salaru woth those teams.

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  243. 244 Gil in Mechanicsville July 24, 2017 at 8:00 pm

    Blogging from my phone is always a typong challenge.

    And amusing..

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  244. 245 Gil in Mechanicsville July 24, 2017 at 8:03 pm

    Unlike Jeopardy, we do not take off for spelling or typos… It’s all good.

    Prayers for your dad Ber.

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  245. 246 Vox O'Reason July 24, 2017 at 9:33 pm

    At first, I was a bit disappointed that we didn’t pick up a better prospect in the deal too. But upon further reflection, I think this was probably about right. Let’s face it, they’re only getting a 4 month rental.

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  246. 247 Vox O'Reason July 24, 2017 at 9:36 pm

    Plus, most of our big pitching studs are now at A-ball and above. The int’l youngsters we signed were mostly position players, and this year’s draft was highlighted with college players. Adding a young arm at that level keeps balance in the pipeline.

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  247. 248 berigan2electricboogaloo July 24, 2017 at 9:38 pm

    Thanks Gil

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  248. 249 Vox O'Reason July 24, 2017 at 9:56 pm

    For a little perspective, our #26 prospect is Akeel Morris. I wouldn’t trade him for a full year of Jaime.

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  249. 250 chrisklob July 25, 2017 at 1:27 am

    My sentiment too, except that instead of it being a “lost cause” per se, I see it more as a step toward where we want to be…

    i totally get that. while the recent play of this team has often been exciting (and other times like watching the bad news bears) it’s important to look at the bigger picture. they aren’t really contending this year, it just looks kind of like it lately. i do hope they send adams and phillips (maybe others too) out for some prospects or figure out a package to get some controllable pitching back with them.

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  250. 251 berigan2electricboogaloo July 25, 2017 at 8:21 am

    For a little perspective, our #26 prospect is Akeel Morris. I wouldn’t trade him for a full year of Jaime.

    but our system has more prospects, correct?
    Plus, we got Akeel for Kelly Johnson of all people…crazy. Of course, I had to look up KJ to see how smokin’ hot he was before the 2016 trade…121 AB’s, 26 hits, 1 Hr 10 RBI’s, .215 BA…well, no wonder they had to have him back. (It is funny though, 200 + Ab’s, 9 HR’s, 24 RBIs .268 BA in NY, go figure!)
    Of course, KJ can play all over the diamond (not well, but he could)
    but BP has no trade value.

    V, you have to admit…it felt like Coppy had teams where he wanted them, in a bidding war for Garcia. You must have thought too that with some reliever tossed in, a decent prospect was going to come back…

    I mean, last year 5 decent starts from Lucas Hurrell gained Travis Demeritte (Just hitting .214 in AA, but is still only 22) and a left handed starter who had just kept the Dodgers in check over 7 innings, was only worth a 3 year in a row Rookie league pitcher?????
    oh, and of course, the most exciting words in baseball, a player gets traded away for salary relief…yay….

    4.68 ERA last year, braves thought he was worth 12 Mil risk. Ok, pitched some better than last year, but now they want to save a 3rd of his salary cuz, you know…might just get some controllable asset , down the road…

    I might be just a tinge more bitter than usual having been in he E.R. then a hospital room all night and early morning…

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  251. 252 Gil in Mechanicsville July 25, 2017 at 9:24 am

    RA Dicky said his knuckle-ball does not work all that well in Colorado, dose that go for Arizona as well? Pretty high altitude in Phoenix. Just wondering?

    Well, I think I got my answer last night….

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  252. 253 Gil in Mechanicsville July 25, 2017 at 9:25 am

    Looks like Matt Wisler will not be staying long in the Bigs, why cannot folks figure it out? Don’t walk people, keep it in the park…?

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  253. 254 Gil in Mechanicsville July 25, 2017 at 9:32 am

    We are not privy to all things baseball, even if you have T-Mobil… Who knows how good this kid from P.R. can be? I’m sure some scout somewhere has seen him pitch and though he was worth it and the kid who had T.J. wasn’t. I also suspect the deal was a lot further along than we were led to believe.

    And about last night… UGGLEEEEE!

    And Freddie with a 425′ double… ridiculous.

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  254. 255 Vox O'Reason July 25, 2017 at 9:53 am

    V, you have to admit…it felt like Coppy had teams where he wanted them, in a bidding war for Garcia. You must have thought too that with some reliever tossed in, a decent prospect was going to come back

    It all comes down to money. The more money that Coppy was willing to pay on Jaime’s remaining $4M+, the better prospect he would have gotten back. That went for any team in negotiations.

    It actually shows a marked shift in Coppy’s methods. Look back at many of the deals he made previously, and he was the one willing to send $$, or take on a bad contact (Bronson Arroyo anyone?) in order to get back a premium prospect. This time it was more a balance of getting a decent prospect while clearing all of Jaime’s remaining contract.

    I tend to read alot of pundits, both local and national, and the prevailing though on Jaime among the national writers was that he would not bring back a Top 100 prospect, regardless of his last start with ATL. It was all a combination of his history on the field as well as in the training room, and the expectation that he would be no more than a back of the rotation pitcher for whomever took him on, coupled with the fact that the prevailing trend among GM’s now is to acquire controllable arms. Jaime is the very definition of a rental and the exact opposite of a controllable arm.

    So given his “rental” status and his back end rotation expectation, he wasn’t going to bring back a whole lot.

    IMO, Coppy got a pretty decent “high ceiling” arm that may or may not pan out to anything. Again, it fits his methods. He’s piled up a ton of “high ceiling/high risk” arms in the knowledge that all won’t pan out, but if you have a greater number to begin with, you’ll have a greater number prevail.

    And in the process, he cleared $4M+ that can now be applied to what the local writers say is his #1 priority, which is the “controllable” top starter… whether he manages the acquisition before July 31 or in the offseason.

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  255. 257 Vox O'Reason July 25, 2017 at 9:55 am

    And about last night… UGGLEEEEE!

    You talking about the game or those horrid D’backs uniforms?

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  256. 258 Vox O'Reason July 25, 2017 at 9:55 am

    And Freddie with a 425′ double… ridiculous.

    Well, the fact that they approved those uniforms tells you the ARI front office doesn’t have alot of good sense. It stands to reason they’d have some ridiculous ground rule as well.

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  257. 259 Vox O'Reason July 25, 2017 at 10:03 am

    Gil, I like that assessment of Ynoa. Again, it’s all about having that high ceiling. It simply places the responsibility on the Braves coaches to now develop it. And like the writer Matt Powers, I’m also much more optimistic that the Braves can develop a hard throwing arm than I am that the Twins can.

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  258. 260 Gil in Mechanicsville July 25, 2017 at 10:07 am

    So, are we happy with Akeel Morris? I think so.. Trades for any prospect is a crap shoot, after all, you are trading for a guy the other team has given up on, so to speak.

    It is almost like trading in your used car, we always think it is worth more than we get.

    One more parting shot… remember Jonny Venters? Well, I saw him pitch in Richmond several times, as a starter, I thought he was awful… Shows how much I knew, was lights out as a set up man until Bobby ruined his arm.

    While I am trashing the sainted one, I may as well go all in… If Bobby Cox had been a bit better at bull pen management instead of only picking on the same guys every night, the Braves may well have won more than one World Series…

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  259. 261 Vox O'Reason July 25, 2017 at 10:31 am

    Gil, I love Akeel Morris. Great arm and great stuff. He’ll be a very valuable late reliever for years to come.

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  260. 262 Vox O'Reason July 25, 2017 at 10:35 am

    remember Jonny Venters? Well, I saw him pitch in Richmond several times, as a starter, I thought he was awful

    The classic example of a pitcher with just 2 pitches. You can dominate with 2 pitches for 1 inning, but not for 7… no matter how good they are.

    Some of these vaunted starting prospects the Braves have accumulated will end up in our bullpen for that very reason.

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  261. 263 Vox O'Reason July 25, 2017 at 2:25 pm

    Joel Sherman of the NY Post echoed yesterday afternoon what we’ve been hearing other places…

    The Yankees and Brewers are viewed as the strongest contenders for Gray, but the Braves have also joined the fray

    All the chatter seems to suggest that Coppy isn’t working any other front – no Matt Adams, no Brandon Phillips, etc. – other than pursuing the pitcher he wants. Simply put, any pitcher he might be in pursuit of would be better than any pitcher currently on the roster. And you can almost bet that Ozzie is square on the middle of any talks between Coppy and the A’s, or whomever else he may be talking to.

    The chatter suggests the A’s are asking for an “elite level CF” in any return package. Well, we all know that won’t be Ronald Acuna. And Christian Pache is probably too young and too far away to entice Billy Beane. But maybe Ozzie would still interest him.

    All of the things going on around the team recently seem too weird to continue…. Freddie at 3B, Dansby on the bench, etc.

    What if… and humor me here… what if the team is holding its collective breath through the trade deadline in the event that Ozzie is actually included on some kid of deal. And what if after said trade were made that Dansby was sent back to AAA to learn 2B for the rest of 2017 while BP keeps the spot warm? And what if the long term middle IF in Atlanta actually turns out to be Johan at SS and Dansby at 2B?

    You know… I can actually kind of see something like that taking place.

    So… as you continue to humor me… picture this to open next season:

    Lineup:
    Ender, CF (L)
    Johan, SS (S)
    Freddie, 1B (L)
    MattyK, LF (R)
    Mike Moustakis, 3B (L) via FA
    Nick Markakis, RF (L) Ronald Acuna (R) after mid-season
    free agent, C (?)
    Dansby, 2B (R)

    Rotation:
    Sonny Gray (R)
    Julio Teheran (R)
    Folty (R)
    Sean Newcomb (L)
    RAD (R) Mike Soroka (R) after mid-season

    Bench:
    free agent – BUC (?)
    Matt Adams (L)
    Sean Rodriguez (R)
    Danny Santana (S)

    Bullpen:
    AJ Minter (R) – CL
    Viz (R)
    Akeel Morris (R)
    Jose Ramirez (R)
    Sam Freeman (L)
    Luke Jackson (R)
    Dan Winkler (R)
    Armando Rivero (R)

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  262. 264 berigan2electricboogaloo July 25, 2017 at 4:01 pm

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  263. 265 berigan2electricboogaloo July 25, 2017 at 4:06 pm

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