#168: The Worst May Be Behind us

Mechanicsville, VA

August 7, 2017

The gauntlet faced by the Braves in July turned out to be about as expected although the culprit was an unlikely one. No surprise the Cubs swept the Braves at STP, well, maybe a little surprise but the Braves had just reached the mythical .500 mark and seemed poised to make a run. Then pifft… Swept 3 games by the resurgent Cubbies and off to the left coast, a place where the hopes and dreams of Braves teams of the recent past have gone to wilt and die. Surprise again, the Braves took the first two games and looked like a third win in four games was possible but alas, the Dodgers remembered who they were and beat back the Bravos’ charge. The Braves lost 2 of three to the 2nd place Diamondbacks but it was on to Philadelphia and the woeful Phillies. Alas a trip which had promise was smashed by a Phillies four game sweep. Now the Braves found themselves in a pretty deep hole, any real hope of making the playoffs were pretty much done in at that point.

The Braves have since returned home to face the Dodgers who inexplicably seem only to have problems beating the Braves. Yes, the Braves only one on game out of three in the recent home stand against the best team in the National League this season but they had a chance to take the season series. The Braves just finished a week-end series with the Fish taking two of three before faltering Sunday 4-1. The good news is, the Braves are playing .500 ball this month and with the trade deadline behind them, appear more focused on what is ahead of them instead of behind them.

Connor Kok-Wy Joe

Jamie Garcia was traded to the Indians for a young minor league pitcher and Sean Rodriguez was traded to the Pirates for a former first round pick Connor Joe who is playing A ball. It was a good move for the Braves who have cleared about $12 million from their payroll with the trades of Garcia and S-Rod. who by the way hit the game winning homerun for the Buccos in the 12th inning his first game back with his old team. Well, Godspeed to him.

Lucas Sims

Meanwhile, the Braves sent struggling Dansby Swanson down to Triple A Gwinnett to find himself again. He had been struggling mightily at the plate and it was carrying over to the shortstop position. The Braves called up young right hander Lucas Sims and mighty-mite Ozzie Albies to play second base. While Sims is 0-2, he has shown promise and does not appear to be over matched. Albies is not exactly hitting the cover off the ball but he looks like he belongs and it is only a matter of time before he breaks out.

Brandon Phillips

In a related move, Brandon Phillips has been moved to third base and frankly, he looks like Brooks Robinson over there. Making diving plays and displaying a much stronger arm than I knew he possessed.

In addition, Matt Adams has been slotted to play left field at least until Matt Kemp returns. Kemp is currently out with a bad hamstring and I would not be surprised to see him out until late August. Meanwhile, Freddie Freeman has moved back to first base where he belongs. He did what he could to try and make the team better and did not embarrass himself at the hot corner but his best position is at first and it makes the overall defense better.

Max Fried

So, what to expect? Look for more youngsters to be given a chance to show what they can do as players are traded and snuffled around, especially the bullpen. A somewhat surprising move was made Saturday when the Braves promoted young lefty Max Fried from Double A Mississippi and placed him in the pen. He has yet to make an appearance but it will happen soon. Don’t expect The-Answer-to-Everything, Ronald Acuna to play for the Big Braves this season however, the Braves are playing the long game with him and while he almost certainly will make the show in 2018, the Braves will try to protect many of their promising young players from the Rule 5 draft and don’t want to add Acuna to their 40 man roster before they have to.



602 Responses to “#168: The Worst May Be Behind us”

  1. 1 Carolina Lady August 7, 2017 at 9:18 pm

    Terrific, Chief! Many thanks. Graphics Dept hopes this is what you wanted. 😀


  2. 2 Carolina Lady August 7, 2017 at 9:37 pm

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  3. 3 Gil in Mechanicsville August 7, 2017 at 9:43 pm

    Thanks CL, looks great.

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  4. 4 Vox O'Reason August 8, 2017 at 8:30 am

    Dansby made his second straight start at 2B last night for the Gwinnett squad. He made all his chances cleanly, and was involved in one double play, although not how you’d think. Our new favorite friend Ronald Acuña doubled a runner off 2B. And I’m now convinced that if it weren’t for 40-man roster implications, we’d see Acuña here in September. That said, I’m also fairly convinced he’ll be our RF in 2018 at some point, said point depending on the amount of interest in Nicky in the off-season. The prevailing thought these days is to delay the start of these guys until late June to keep their contract rights for an additional year. I’m not so sure the Braves would purposely delay this guy’s start. And honestly, you’re not saving a whole year of his contributions anyway. You’re only saving a few months in the future.You can have his full year now or 6 years from now. I’d just as soon have it now while he’s hot and healthy. Who knows what he’ll be like in 6 years? Heck, Jesus could come back at any time… let’s get him on in now. (It’s the same reason I eat dessert first. You just never know…)

    But back to Dansby. The emergence of Camargo has thrown all the plans back onto the drawing board. It’s allowed the Braves to at least listen on Ozzie when talking about top pitchers. And it’s also the impetus for giving Dansby time at 2B while he’s at Gwinnett. The net result will be 3 guys who can all play 2B/SS (and one of them can play 3B). And let’s face it, Johan is the best glove of all of them. Dansby needs to get the bat going so we can move forward with this whole group.

    Can you imagine a lineup next year that contains all 4 of Dansby, Ozzie, Johan, and Acuña?

    I can.

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  5. 5 Gil in Mechanicsville August 8, 2017 at 11:08 am

    It is thus, when the full blown youth movement begins….

    Johan’s bat has cooled a bit also. I think it is just the natural ebb and flow of the game multiplied by being a switch hitter. One would think it is hard enough just swinging from one side, much less two.

    I could switch hit in practice but never really felt comfortable enough to do it from both sides of the plate in a game.

    Anyway, the scuttlebutt is the Braves are going to play Dansby at second to further his evaluation. I guess the brass will base their eventual line up on not only on defense but who can hit major league pitching.


  6. 6 Vox O'Reason August 8, 2017 at 11:40 am

    Johan’s bat has cooled a bit also. I think it is just the natural ebb and flow of the game

    Hitters emerge, pitchers adjust, hitters adjust in response, pitchers adjust in response, etc. That is the natural ebb and flow. How well a hitter makes those adjustments determines how successful he’ll be in the long run.

    This is where Dansby is. He emerged; pitchers adjusted. That’s part of what bugs me about his being sent down. Kinda hard for him to adjust in response when he’s not facing the same pitchers. But he’s not hitting all that well at AAA either, so there’s that. his .216 AVG is not that different than he was hitting up here. His is between the ears, methinks. And that’s not necessarily a bad thing. That’s something that might be overcome as quickly as it manifested.

    Now… that being said. I feel his demotion is as much about getting him playing time at 2B as it is about his hitting, mainly for the reasons stated above. It’s all fueled by Johan, who is a superior defender at SS, and who was simply outhitting Dansby in the lineup. It’d be incredulous not to see what Johan has to offer. He has made himself a big part of the core of this team by his performance on the field.

    In my perfect world, Dansby regains his stroke (which I strongly believe he will) and returns to share the IF with Johan, Ozzie and Freddie. The big question is simply where he plays. It may truly be in Dansby’s best long term interests for him to play 2B. Given his early struggles and errors at SS, that seems fairly evident.

    The rub is that Johan is the best SS we have, but needs to land at 3B to make the whole thing work. And of course, that leaves Ozzie to man SS… a position he played for all his life before moving to 2B a little over a year ago. And for those who may have doubts, he started 14 games at SS this season before his callup. I promise he can still play it.

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  7. 7 Vox O'Reason August 8, 2017 at 4:40 pm

    2nite’s lineup:

    Ender, CF
    BP, 3B
    Freddie, 1B
    Markakis, RF
    Suzi, C
    Matt Adams, LF
    Johan, SS
    Ozzie, 2B
    Julio, RHP


  8. 8 Gil in Mechanicsville August 8, 2017 at 4:46 pm

    Camargo is only 23, that means he has not yet grown into his “man weight” He may yet grow into the third base position. As for Ozzie, okay, maybe another inch or two but I doubt he will ever get much taller, maybe a bit broader. That leaves Dansby, also only 23… hummmm. Could also fill out some. And what of the next great thing, Kevin Matian? Only 17 and supposed to be all world. Ronald Acuna before we heard of Ronald Acuna…

    Kevin most likely is 3 years away from the big leagues if all goes according to plan. Fun isn’t it? having talent in the minors to obsess about?

    Again, I have no problem sending Dansby back down, I wish the Braves had been able to actually send Frenchy down for more than three days, all that did was give him a bad attitude, or maybe it brought it to the forefront. Either way, He needed an attitude adjustment and was shipped off to the Mets rather than deal with it.

    So many things have to go right to have a winning baseball club, it has taken the Dodgers a while to get back to the top. Having a boatload of cash hasn’t helped hurt but that is a tale for another day.

    What the Braves need now if for their young pitching to gel. That takes real time. Like someone said (I can’t remember who), pitches that get strike outs in Triple A don’t always work at the highest level. That is why young pitchers have to learn how to pitch and not just throw. Everyone knows that if you throw an 84 mph change up when a guy is expecting a 95 mph fastball, you are going to get him out but not everyone can execute a good change.

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  9. 9 Gil in Mechanicsville August 8, 2017 at 4:55 pm

    So, let’s ta;l about loss of velocity for a moment. Lots of times you hear the pundits talking about how pitcher A has lost 2-3 MPH off his fast ball. I don’t think it is the actual velocity that matters as much as being able to get a particular pitch to have movement on it when velocity is reduced. I don’t remember Greg Maddox ever pitching much in excess of 91 mph but lordy how he could make a baseball do things I have never ever seen anyone else be able to do. Weak contact…. to me that is the key.

    Now, I am not saying being able to strike someone out isn’t important but if a pitcher thinks he has to strike out the side every time, he won’t be around for the final 4 innings, That is what is happening to the Braves pitchers methinks all too often. But, they are young…. they are still in the learning phase. Even Wisler and Blair have shown flashes of their potential but that is the difference between being an ace and being a number 5, consistency.

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  10. 10 Gil in Mechanicsville August 8, 2017 at 7:57 pm

    Incredibly bad luck for Johan Camargo, likely torn ACL jumping over the foul line while taking the field before the start of the game. Dansby taken out of the game at Gwinnett.


  11. 12 Vox O'Reason August 8, 2017 at 8:50 pm

    Things can change on a dime…

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  12. 13 Vox O'Reason August 8, 2017 at 8:55 pm

    DPetey too? Interesting…


  13. 14 Vox O'Reason August 8, 2017 at 8:56 pm

    OK… not so interesting after all.


  14. 15 Vox O'Reason August 8, 2017 at 10:43 pm

    Ugh. Julio needs a new home. This one doesn’t work for him.


  15. 16 Vox O'Reason August 8, 2017 at 11:03 pm

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  16. 17 Gil in Mechanicsville August 9, 2017 at 9:00 am

    While not great news, not nearly as bad as it could have been. I thought it had all the appearance of a torn ACL for sure the way and where he grabbed his knee.

    On Julio, to be fair, the home run he gave up was on a pitch 4 inches off the dirt. Herrera just golfed it out. Still, the two guys on base is what really hurt.

    But you are right, a change of scenery would likely do Julio a world of good.


  17. 18 Gil in Mechanicsville August 9, 2017 at 10:00 am

    I think Julio misses Ervin Santana…

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  18. 19 Vox O'Reason August 9, 2017 at 10:12 am

    Somewhere I saw a breakdown of Julio’s pitches from the game last night, and his slider was his least thrown pitch. If I recall correctly, the slider was a real weapon for him when he was successful, keeping opposing hitters from sitting on his fastball. And they are certainly sitting on his fastball, and teeing off on it.


  19. 20 Vox O'Reason August 9, 2017 at 10:15 am

    Here it is, courtesy of Bowman:

    83 pitches through 4 IP (which is pitiful).

    45 4-seamers
    17 2-seamers
    10 curves
    6 sliders
    5 changeups

    That pretty much tells the story.

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  20. 21 Vox O'Reason August 9, 2017 at 10:19 am

    On a positive note, Max Fried looked great. He’s got as big a hook as Newk does… and both from the left side. If RAD gets shipped off, Fried could slide into a starter role. I find it interesting, too, that they essentially skipped RAD’s spot in the rotation with the 2 off days, pushing his next start back to Sunday. Why does a guy who throws knucklers need extra rest? It’s the least strenuous pitch a guy can make. Nah… my gut says they’re being cautious while shopping him.


  21. 22 Vox O'Reason August 9, 2017 at 11:17 am

    The Flow is back in The Show.


  22. 23 Vox O'Reason August 9, 2017 at 4:26 pm

    2nite’s lineup:

    Ender, CF
    BP, 3B
    Freddie, 1B
    Markakis, RF
    TFlow, C
    Matt Adams, LF
    Ozzie, 2B
    Dansby, SS
    Newk, LHP

    And under less than ideal circumstances, the Dansby/Ozzie era in ATL begins 2nite. Lets hope it lives up to the hype.


  23. 24 berigan2electricboogaloo August 9, 2017 at 6:23 pm

    So, let’s ta;l about loss of velocity for a moment. Lots of times you hear the pundits talking about how pitcher A has lost 2-3 MPH off his fast ball. I don’t think it is the actual velocity that matters as much as being able to get a particular pitch to have movement on it when velocity is reduced. I don’t remember Greg Maddox ever pitching much in excess of 91 mph but lordy how he could make a baseball do things I have never ever seen anyone else be able to do. Weak contact…. to me that is the key.

    Movement really helps…but, Greg Maddox was an anomaly, IMO. (I think from what I have gathered from what he has said in the past, is he could and did throw harder earlier on, but he learned movement was the key, and I imagine he found the sweet spot for movement at 88-91 MPH) Big Sexy had movement too, but doesn’t it feel like most “movement” on fastballs is 2 seemers, sinkers, etc? I mean more up and down than side to side. Of course some guys have that movement, but starters with “average” fastballs (which probably means lower than average MPH) how many are there these days? That are reasonably successful? Kyle Hendricks comes to mind. but other than him…no, I’m not a fan of full out fastballs, but how many guys that throw no harder than 92 have success?
    Being able to throw like Verlander used to (I still see 97 MPH from him, but usually on a pitch going over the wall, so odd) you know, 93-94 MPH early on, then basically being his own closer, hitting 98 in the 8th…that’s swell…but then again Verlanger may be just as much of an anomaly as Maddux was…


  24. 25 Gil in Mechanicsville August 9, 2017 at 9:27 pm

    Then again, the worse may not be behind us yet…

    Between Odubel Herrera and the Braves own ineptitude afield lately, this season is getting longer and longer.

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  25. 26 berigan2electricboogaloo August 10, 2017 at 12:16 am

    what is it, 11 of the phils 42 wins have come against the braves? amazing!

    Every bat is cold it seems. Seems we really need Matt Kemp. Seems Dansby is every bit as lost as he was before getting sent down.
    I think he should try a closed stance like Stanton, it couldn’t hurt….

    Oh, and I forgot to say Gil, some fine opine-ing 😛


  26. 27 Vox O'Reason August 10, 2017 at 8:21 am

    Seems Dansby is every bit as lost as he was before getting sent down.

    Did you watch? He hit the ball hard… just right at folks. That ball he hit in the 7th inning just about took Franco’s glove into LF. Had it been hit 18″ in either direction, he would have driven in 2 runs and we’d be talking about how he came through in his first game back. I didn’t see “lost” in him at all.

    Ender Inciarte went hitless and K’d twice… once with the potential tying run in scoring position. He looked lost if anyone did.

    The tale of the game was 1-6 with RISP. It’s been a trend for them over the second half. That’s the biggest issue they have to conquer in 2017.

    BTW- Wash bears responsibility as well for hanging Freddie out to dry in that rundown between 3B and home. Changing a GO to a STOP after the runner passes 3B is a little too late. It changed the whole complexion of that inning.

    Every bat is cold it seems.

    Now THAT is a true statement.


  27. 28 Vox O'Reason August 10, 2017 at 9:54 am

    I just saw where our short-season rookie league Danville Braves had 3 pitchers combine for a no-hitter Tuesday afternoon. And none of the pitchers are any of our vaunted prospects. I didn’t recognize any of the names. They are:

    LHP Bruce Zimmermann pitched innings 1-2. He’s a 2017 Round 5 draft pick out of Mt. Olive University. He had 2 K’s and 1 BB, the only hitter to reach base. He has a 2.57 ERA in 7 starts.

    RHP Jacob Belinda (nephew of Stan Belinda) pitched innings 3-6. He’s a 2017 Round 10 draft pick from Lock Haven, PA. He has a 2.65 ERA in 8 games (1 start).

    LHP John Curtis pitched the 7th inning. He’s a 2017 Round 8 draft pick from Lenoir-Rhyne (NC). He had 2 K’s in the final inning, and has 20 overall in 16.2 IP. He has a 2.16 ERA in 10 games.

    The Braves are flush with pitching prospects from top to bottom… the very bottom.


  28. 30 berigan2electricboogaloo August 10, 2017 at 11:07 am

    Did you watch? He hit the ball hard… just right at folks. That ball he hit in the 7th inning just about took Franco’s glove into LF. Had it been hit 18″ in either direction, he would have driven in 2 runs and we’d be talking about how he came through in his first game back. I didn’t see “lost” in him at all.

    I have to admit, I missed a few A.B’s….glad to hear he did hit the ball hard earlier, cuz that last A.B. just looked helpless….

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  29. 31 Vox O'Reason August 10, 2017 at 11:14 am

    CL, can you get Fox Sports Go?

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  30. 33 Vox O'Reason August 10, 2017 at 11:38 am

    It’s a process, Ber. Dansby said he felt like he “turned a corner” in his last couple of games at AAA. Then again, what else would we expect him to say?

    Here’s the thing…

    It’s not a hole in his swing. It’s not a pitch he can’t hit. He has the ability to hit a slider. He hit them in college, he hit them in his brief stint in the minors, and he hit them in ATL in late 2016. It’s not a straight inability to hit sliders. It’s all about mechanics. (Ask Giancarlo Stanton how important that part is.)

    Joe Simpson pointed something out a few weeks ago about how Dansby’s balance was off forcing him to get out on his front foot too early therefore committing to pitches to early. I watched the replay they showed while Joe described it, and he was spot on with what Dansby was doing.

    I watched Dansby’s AB’s yesterday and didn’t see the balance issue.

    In my very humble and amateur opinion, Dansby’s whole season got off track when he missed 2 weeks in Spring Training with “back tightness”. BTW- they never actually defined exactly what that “back tightness” was. But whatever it was, it caused him to miss 2 very critical weeks, and really more when you consider that he came back slowly even when he returned. And whatever that issue was, his timing has not been right since.

    I also recall that in about week 3 or 4 of the season, it was reported that Dansby sat down with Seitz and looked at video from his last year at Vandy. They saw that he was holding his hands lower in his stance now than he was in the video. Was that a product of a back issue? I dunno. Has he corrected it? I dunno. I haven’t heard anything else it. Not a peep.

    Whatever the case, Dansby will eventually break out of it. Admittedly it might be next year before he returns to what made him successful. This season is so rife with criticism and pressure. Social media has its purposes, but for the most part it can be really harmful and damaging. It could take an offseason to clear his head and allow him to do his work without constant scrutiny.

    Can you imagine how social media would have treated John Smoltz in ’88 and ’89? They would have crucified him and the front office mercilessly. Smoltz might have had more than just dingers to discuss with Dr. Lewallen.

    I believe Dansby will be fine in time. And I’m really not too concerned with each and every individual AB. After all, even the most successful hitters fail 66% of the time. That said, I obviously would love to see him break out in a big way sooner than later.


  31. 34 Gil in Mechanicsville August 10, 2017 at 11:49 am

    Finding gold where others fail to look was the Redskins mantra for success back in the 80’s. Lots of 5th and 6th round draft picks who became stars.


  32. 35 Vox O'Reason August 10, 2017 at 12:37 pm

    Redskins… success back in the 80’s

    And then Daniel Snyder. My how things can change.

    Snyder is to football what Jeffrey Loria is to baseball. A pox on their respective league.

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  33. 36 Vox O'Reason August 10, 2017 at 12:40 pm

    In fact, to anyone who still advocates that the Braves would be better under private ownership than corporate ownership regardless of whom it might be, just remember Jeffrey Loria and Daniel Snyder.

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  34. 37 Vox O'Reason August 10, 2017 at 12:47 pm

    The Yankees’ Clint Frazier:

    Larry Rockett (Robert Wuhl) from Bull Durham:

    Separated at birth?


  35. 38 Vox O'Reason August 11, 2017 at 7:53 am

    This is a guy that is going to have to be added to the 40-man before the Rule 5 draft comes around or he’s an easy goner. Maybe he gets added in September and gets a taste of The Bigs this year. He’s earned it.

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  36. 39 Vox O'Reason August 11, 2017 at 7:54 am

    I wonder how much influence Kris Medlen is having on the youngsters at AAA..? IMO he’d make a great pitching coach when his arm finally has enough. I hope our front office is thinking the same thing.

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  37. 40 Gil in Mechanicsville August 11, 2017 at 8:05 am

    Dan Snider is one of the primary reason I don’t watch very much pro football. He ruined my team.

    Now baseball… Yes, it’s players like Albers who will keep Acuna in triple A the rest of the year.

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  38. 41 Vox O'Reason August 11, 2017 at 8:50 am

    The Cubs’ C Willson Contreras went down Wednesday with a hamstring injury that they think could sideline him up to a month. There’s talk that they might sniff around for a veteran catcher to pair with Alex Avila to get them through the stretch run, especially knowing how iffy hamstrings can be. Kurt Suzuki’s name has been floated. His name has been connected to a couple of teams recently, and his veteran presence would be welcome in many contending clubhouses over a playoff push.

    I have mixed thoughts on this.

    On one hand, he’s been great here, it wouldn’t hurt my feelings if he returned in 2018. Then again, his strong season almost guarantees he’ll get more than just the $1.5M the Braves signed him for heading into 2017. In fact, he may get 2 years somewhere… or at least an option year. Which brings me to Tyler Flowers.

    TFlow has a $4M team option for 2018, and I’d be willing to bet that’s an easy bet to be picked up. Unless the team somehow makes a big deal for a big named catcher, which is about as likely as me getting hired into the Braves front office, TFlow will return in 2018.

    So back to Suzi. The other side of the coin says that the Braves are not likely to pick up TFlow’s option and bring back Suzi. The tandem has been great this year, but having both on the roster again in 2018 doesn’t get you any younger at the position, and doesn’t point you toward the future.

    IMO, the team will pick up a younger guy somewhere between now and spring that has future potential. It’s one of the positions that they must address sooner than later given that there’s not a prospect in the system with a clear path to The Show. Kade Scivicque has not exactly torn up AAA since his recent promotion, and isn’t close to major league ready in 2018. David Freitas is a possibility. He’s not flashy, but relatively steady. He’s slashed .263/.339/.346 in 61 G this year, 55 as catcher. He’s an older minor leaguer at 27 and is no longer considered a prospect. But he might be a serviceable backup if needed. There are some who think he’ll get called up in September to serve as a 3rd catcher, but that would require an addition to the 40-man roster where spots are at a premium this year. The Braves add a 3rd catcher every year (it was Blake Lalli last year), but I’m not so sure they will this year. There just isn’t a clear candidate given the 40-man roster constrictions.

    So that brings me way back around to Kurt Suzuki. I think he’s been great on the field and in working with the young pitchers. But would you let him go to a contender in a trade? Obviously it would all hinge on what we got back in return, but would you even entertain it? Who would back up TFlow if he were to be moved?

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  39. 42 Gil in Mechanicsville August 11, 2017 at 9:06 am

    But would you let him go to a contender in a trade? Obviously it would all hinge on what we got back in return, but would you even entertain it?

    Ah, the $64,000 question. Kurt is not a money drain on the club so it would have to be a pretty good prospect coming back to get the Braves to consider a trade. The only players the Braves have who fall in the payroll saving class are Jim Johnson, Nick Markakis, RA Dicky and of course Matt Kemp. I did not mention Freddie Freeman because, well, you know…

    Anyhoo, Braves are more likely to trade Jason Mott or even Julio but Julio right now would be like trying to trade a car which has the check engine light on.

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  40. 43 Gil in Mechanicsville August 11, 2017 at 9:12 am

    Tyler Flowers to me is more typical of a back up catcher than a front line starter. I guess we got spoiled with BMac behind the plate. Unfortunately, so did Bobby Cox to the point he was worn out by August. Catching is just not a position where someone can play 162 time a year. I can live with a backstop who is an excellent defensive guy who only hits .200 as long as you don’t have a line up ahead of him batting the same.


  41. 44 Vox O'Reason August 11, 2017 at 9:34 am

    Yes, it’s players like Albers who will keep Acuna in triple A the rest of the year.

    If I’m not mistaken, Albers is a recent minor league FA signee thus doesn’t require a spot. But I could be wrong about that.

    Depending on whom you listen to, there are as many as 7 players that might need protection, but I believe it’s closer to 5: Luiz Gohara, Dustin Peterson, Travis Demeritte, Tyler Pike, and Caleb Dirks are all in need of a spot.

    There are currently 2 spots open, and once the season ends, there will be more. I’d be surprised to see Adonis back in 2018. Same for Suzi (as we just mentioned). Brandon Phillips is almost certainly gone. Jason Motte is a FA after this season and probably won’t return.

    RAD is a candidate for trade, although not necessarily a strong one. Lane Adams could be a goner. AAA reliever Enrique Burgos too. I think it’s entirely possible that guys like Ian Krol and Rex Brothers could be non-tendered if it came to that, although that’s not desirable.

    So let’s say for discussion purposes that Adonis, Suzi, BP and Motte are all one. That’s really quite likely. Those 4 spots plus the 2 they already have open gives you more than the 5 you need, right?

    Oh nay nay.

    We currently have 3 pitchers on the 60-day DL that are lumped back in the 40-man once the season wraps.

    So now you see where the pressure comes. we’ll have to open at least 2 more spots. And that means somebody that we don’t really want to lose will be sent through waivers and likely won’t make it through. Like Lane Adams. Or others will simply be non-tendered. Like Rex Brothers. Adams has been a very good 4th OF for us, but his spot could be taken by Micah Johnson, who is a more versatile player. Brothers has been OK, but nothing to wow over. And with guys moving up through the system like Akeel Morris and Andrew Albers and Caleb Dirks, the bullpen competition will be fierce. And if Max Fried can’t crack the rotation next season, he’ll likely return to the bullpen as well.

    There aren’t any easy answers to the roster questions, but it’s pretty much a lock that they won’t add anyone in September like Acuña that doesn’t require roster protection yet.

    Then again, our front office moves in mysterious ways. You just never know…

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  42. 45 Gil in Mechanicsville August 11, 2017 at 1:31 pm

    Given whom you just marked off the list, the front office may well bring “The Answer to Everything” in September, I think it all really depends on who is traded and who is given their outright release. I think what many people don’t understand is why players are often traded for 19 year olds who are only at A level ball but the 40 man roster is a good reason. You just cannot stash guys in the minors forever. I sometimes think their are clubs who stock their rosters with players off other club’s Rule 5 players because they don’t spend money on their own minor league systems.

    I know there is a lefty reliever who the Braves signed away from the Yankees last season and paid a million bucks to who is still recovering from Tommy John surgery.

    I am relying on the Braves’ front office types to keep it all sorted out and I am sure they have at least one person who’s dedicated job is to keep track of all things rule 5. You never know when a bargain is going to show up and you just have to make room to snatch them up. Wasn’t Braves nemesis Herrea a rule 5 player?

    Anyway, it will indeed be the shuffling of players that will play large into who get promoted in September.

    If Markakis or Kemp either one is traded this winter, you know the Braves already know who will be promoted. Then again, Peterson could get the nod just so the Braves can avoid making Acuna a Super Two.

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  43. 46 Vox O'Reason August 11, 2017 at 1:34 pm

    I just read this tidbit in a piece by Jeff Schafer of Tomahawk Take:

    One pitcher who left a mark on baseball history had signed to ‘pitch’ for the Braves, but never saw game action in a Braves uniform. One of the greatest pitchers of all time, Leroy “Satchel” Paige was signed by the Atlanta Braves on August 12, 1968.

    Now did the Braves sign him to actually pitch, no. They signed Paige so he could receive his Major League Baseball pension and labeled him as a part-time pitcher and adviser. He needed 158 days on an active roster in order to fill the five-year requirement to receive his pension, so the Braves essentially were doing him a favor.

    Did anybody here know that? I consider myself a long time hardcore fan of the Braves, and I thought I was fairly well versed on our history… but I’ve never heard about that. How is it not more commonly known? Am I making more of it than there really is?

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  44. 47 Vox O'Reason August 11, 2017 at 1:41 pm

    Then again, Peterson could get the nod just so the Braves can avoid making Acuna a Super Two.

    I know some teams make a big effort to hold players back, but… If you think about it, you aren’t saving an entire year by the effort. You’re only saving a half year, the half year that remains after you hold the player back.

    And what you’re then saying is that you’d rather have them for an entire year 6 years in the future as opposed to an entire year right now.

    The bible says, ‘Don’t worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will bring its own worries. Today’s trouble is enough for today.” (Matthew 6:34) I believe that is somewhat true in baseball, too. What if the guy gets hurt down the line and it changes his game? What if he has a Teheran type regression? What if you trade him? If you have a guy who is tearing it up now, I say use him right now. And let tomorrow take care of tomorrow.

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  45. 48 Vox O'Reason August 11, 2017 at 2:46 pm

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  46. 49 Vox O'Reason August 11, 2017 at 4:04 pm

    In a change of opinion, DO’B is now saying:

    Will [Ronald Acuña] complete the rise from high-A to majors within the same season? It won’t be surprising if the Braves call him up, even though they don’t have to protect Acuña in this December’s Rule 5 Draft and do have to protect a few others, making 40-man roster spots valuable.

    Acuña is so good, the Braves might just add him to the 40-man roster anyway this season and call him up, let him get a taste of the majors as a teen – he turns 20 in December — and let their fans see the dynamic kid who could be manning an outfield spot as soon as next spring.

    The more I see and hear, the more I think this is going to happen. In a season that has suddenly sputtered, calling up Acuña for the final 4 weeks might just be the shot in the arm that the team needs and that the fans need.

    And as has been shown by the brief benching of Brandon Phillips, the Braves aren’t averse to sitting a veteran on a short deal to accommodate a piece of the future.

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  47. 50 berigan2electricboogaloo August 11, 2017 at 4:09 pm

    V, nope never heard that before! y


  48. 51 berigan2electricboogaloo August 11, 2017 at 4:10 pm

    didn’t mean to do that. Was going to say you would think someone would have bragged about that in the nearly 50 years since it happened!


  49. 52 berigan2electricboogaloo August 11, 2017 at 4:11 pm

    Brandon Phillips Clears Revocable Waivers

    By Connor Byrne | August 11, 2017 at 2:24pm CDT

    Braves second baseman Brandon Phillips has cleared revocable waivers, making him eligible for an August trade, according to FanRag’s Jon Heyman.

    With Phillips’ previous team, the Reds, paying all but $1MM of his $13MM salary for 2017, the Braves are only on the hook for about $300K through season’s end, as Heyman notes. Despite Phillips’ cheap price tag and history of respectable production, no one claimed the 36-year-old. But the Braves have discussed Phillips with multiple teams, per Heyman, who points to the Rays as a potential fit for the right-handed hitter….

    I bet he would just rake, being in a true pennant race…


  50. 53 Gil in Mechanicsville August 11, 2017 at 5:04 pm

    On Satchel, I remember him being with the team during spring training in ’69, I did not really see a lot on the Atlanta team other than as it related to the Richmond team. I do remember a story however at how he was taking a needling from a young hitter about being old and promptly induced the batter to hit a weak ground ball back to the mound. Much laughter ensued.

    Don’t get me wrong, I would love to get an eyeful of Acuna this season, I’m just saying I would understand it if I don’t.


  51. 54 Gil in Mechanicsville August 11, 2017 at 8:18 pm

    Andrew Albers has been traded to the Mariners for cash. Oh well, I guess the Braves needed the money.. Good luck to Albers though, getting back to the majors.

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  52. 55 Carolina Lady August 11, 2017 at 8:34 pm

    sigh I just realized that my car is older than Ronald Acuna…….

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  53. 56 Gil in Mechanicsville August 11, 2017 at 8:48 pm

    I’m thinking the Braves probably traded Albers for international sighing cash.


  54. 57 berigan2electricboogaloo August 11, 2017 at 10:25 pm

    sigh I just realized that my car is older than Ronald Acuna…….

    CL, I didn’t know you had a NEW car!!! my car is 40 years old, so I win!!! 🙂

    So….what do I win???? 😆

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  55. 58 Carolina Lady August 11, 2017 at 10:28 pm

    Dunno, Ber. We’ll think of something! 😀

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  56. 59 berigan2electricboogaloo August 11, 2017 at 10:38 pm

    Ol’ Ozzie, he may not be the next Jose Altuve, but he really does have some pop, eh?????????

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  57. 60 Gil in Mechanicsville August 13, 2017 at 4:43 pm

    Good game for the Braves today and RA Dicky but Jim Johnson continues to struggle.


  58. 61 Gil in Mechanicsville August 13, 2017 at 4:49 pm

    Oh my, the wheels are wobbling for the Braves right now trying to hang on for the win.


  59. 62 Gil in Mechanicsville August 13, 2017 at 5:30 pm



  60. 63 Vox O'Reason August 14, 2017 at 8:55 am


  61. 64 Gil in Mechanicsville August 14, 2017 at 9:24 am

    Sigh… Fights should be reserved exclusively for ice hockey where the combatants are heavily padded and the arms are restricted. Very little racism in hockey too, just a bunch of slow white guys slugging it out… 🙂

    A comment about the travesty in Charlottesville this weekend.., All so unnecessary, I blame the media for hyping the event into something bigger than it was. That and the mayor telling the police to stand down when they knew the media was egging both sides on. DISGUSTING!

    Now, more baseball. BRAVES WIN…. yea…. I am surprised RA Dickey is still with the team. How did he not get traded?

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  62. 65 Vox O'Reason August 14, 2017 at 9:56 am

    *I am surprised RA Dickey is still with the team. How did he not get traded?

    He probably would if the offer were good enough. By the same token, the Braves may need him next season depending on their other offseason activities. The team holds the option for 2018. Convenient, huh?


  63. 66 berigan2electricboogaloo August 14, 2017 at 4:47 pm

    Gil, I think knuckleballers scare teams…you saw that one game where no one could catch his ball…and when a team is wanting to go deep, you can’t really afford to have a guy give up a run in a close game.
    I don’t know if any knuckleball pitcher has had real success in the playoffs…can anyone recall? I just remember poor Tim Wakefield pitching his heart out but giving up a homer to Aaron Boone late…of course today that would never happen, 4-5-6 innings, and out the starter is out…


  64. 67 Gil in Mechanicsville August 14, 2017 at 6:52 pm

    Ever wonder why people are so turned off by the news media? For me, it is being sick to death of the tripe…. Thank goodness for baseball and Last Man Standing reruns on CMT…

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  65. 68 Gil in Mechanicsville August 14, 2017 at 7:39 pm

    Suspension Length: 72 games
    Violating Substances: Stanozolol
    Signed June 1, Madinson Colon, 19, was 0-3, 18.41 in the DSL with an astounding 17 walks in just 7.1 innings.
    Read more at http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2017-minor-league-drug-suspensions/#F2yxpx6THyMyq01A.99

    Sounds to me like the PEDs were not working…

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  66. 69 Gil in Mechanicsville August 14, 2017 at 8:19 pm

    Giancarlos Stanton is having a season that is reminiscent to the type of season Michael Jordan had with the Bulls. Prior to when he had help….


  67. 70 berigan2electricboogaloo August 14, 2017 at 9:55 pm

    Ever wonder why people are so turned off by the news media? For me, it is being sick to death of the tripe….

    Gil, do I (and I am sure everyone else here) hear ya!
    It was horrible what happened, very few people would disagree with that , save some nazi’s and Klansmen…

    Funny thing…when a black man, who was on flat out racist sites on facebook (that still are active, strangely enough) decided to say he was upset about BLM, went out and assassinated 5 policemen…, no one in the MSM was out there saying BLM needed to be disolved…when groups of “protesters” in NYC were shouting, “what do we want? Dead COPS! When do we want it? NOW!”…or the protesters, I think in Minn who were chanting, Pigs in a Blanket, fry ’em like bacon, over and over….of course that would be completely unfair to claim those were mainstream views of the left…they say…
    but today, Trump and all of us are flat out racists….

    the never trumpers were thicker than thieves on FOX today…the fake Republicans like Graham, and McCain (all the defending of him I have done thru the years, I’m done with that) can’t wait to hit Trump…

    it’s beyond sickening…

    so yeah….baseball…it’s a very good thing these days.
    and TCM….


  68. 71 Gil in Mechanicsville August 15, 2017 at 9:39 am

    Well, Julio pitched a heck of a game last night. I guess the first play of the game set the tone for how things would go for the Braves.

    Yes, the Braves do miss Matt Kemp’s bat…

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  69. 72 Carolina Lady August 16, 2017 at 1:56 am

    Welcome aboard to upstandingfood who is now following Braves & Stuff! Please join in anytime you like! We’d be glad to have you!

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  70. 73 Vox O'Reason August 16, 2017 at 8:52 am

    Well, Julio pitched a heck of a game last night.

    And Newk followed with his own gem. How weird to get 2 straight nights of strong starting pitching in Coors Field.


  71. 74 Gil in Mechanicsville August 16, 2017 at 9:04 am

    How weird to get 2 straight nights of strong starting pitching in Coors Field.

    Who would have thunk it? 🙂

    For sure, home runs happen at Coors’ Field. The Trick is to not let walks happen ahead of them. I am so glad to see Dansby get in on the fun. He and the Braves needed a good game.

    I am also really impressed by the play of #DatDude at third base. Playing the position like Brooks Robinson over there.

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  72. 75 Gil in Mechanicsville August 16, 2017 at 2:25 pm

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  73. 76 Gil in Mechanicsville August 17, 2017 at 7:27 am

    Well, that was ugly… Looks like the Braves pitchers did what the Braves pitchers do,, wake up bats… That my friends is what is known as an a$$ whoppin.

    Earlyish game today. Lucus Sims’ turn in the barrel.


  74. 77 Vox O'Reason August 17, 2017 at 8:19 am

    Lucus Sims’ turn in the barrel.

    And don’t you know he’s looking forward to it.

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  75. 78 Vox O'Reason August 17, 2017 at 8:22 am

    Seen last night in Colorado…


  76. 80 Gil in Mechanicsville August 17, 2017 at 7:39 pm

    Wasn’t that a fun game? What is the old adage, you are only as good as your next day’s starter.

    Sims is showing us what we always suspected, he is a front line kind of guy. Anyway, it was nice to see the Braves bounce back from a hideous drubbing.

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  77. 81 Gil in Mechanicsville August 18, 2017 at 8:19 am

    While it is fun to see Ender hit home runs, I fear that he might forget himself and think he is a power hitter. Beware of the warning track fly ball…

    Speaking of home runs, Acuna hit two more yesterday. Amazing.

    Brandon Phillips continues to amaze me with his stellar play at third. I have yet to see him make a bad throw to first base. I hope he gets enough at bats down the stretch to get his 2000th hit this season. I think he is 19 short at this point.

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  78. 82 Carolina Lady August 18, 2017 at 11:10 am

    HAPPY BIRTHDAY MISS JOSIE!! Bigs hugs to you!

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  79. 83 berigan2electricboogaloo August 18, 2017 at 3:49 pm

    Sadly, I missed the game yesterday…those “early” games in Arizona are odd..
    funny how you can get blown out twice, then win the final game of a series, and fans and the team feel good


  80. 84 Gil in Mechanicsville August 18, 2017 at 5:48 pm

    Maybe because they actually split the series…

    3-4 on a road trip to St Louis and Denver, could have been way worse.

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  81. 85 Miss Josie August 18, 2017 at 8:20 pm

    Thank you Margie ❤

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  82. 86 Carolina Lady August 18, 2017 at 11:21 pm

    kevinwanderlust, welcome to Braves & Stuff! Feel free to join in the chatter any time! We’re delighted that you have chosen to follow B&S!

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  83. 88 Vox O'Reason August 21, 2017 at 10:00 am

    Hello. Currently typing on my phone with one hand. Had a complication with an outpatient procedure that landed me in the hospital. Hopefully back to full blogging in a couple more days. Until then, go Braves!


  84. 90 Gil in Mechanicsville August 21, 2017 at 12:26 pm

    Praying for you Vee… Get well soon..

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  85. 91 berigan2electricboogaloo August 21, 2017 at 2:04 pm

    Praying for you too V! Get well!

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  86. 92 berigan2electricboogaloo August 22, 2017 at 8:19 pm

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  87. 93 Vox O'Reason August 23, 2017 at 1:15 pm

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  88. 94 Gil in Mechanicsville August 24, 2017 at 9:22 am

    Methinks Jim Johnson needs some quality time on the DL to pause and reflect upon his lack of effectiveness as a major league relief pitcher.


  89. 95 Vox O'Reason August 25, 2017 at 8:33 am

    It’s good to be home…

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  90. 96 Gil in Mechanicsville August 25, 2017 at 8:37 am

    It’s great to have you home Vee…

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  91. 99 Vox O'Reason August 25, 2017 at 4:50 pm

    Oops… wrong link. Let me try that again…


  92. 101 Carolina Lady August 25, 2017 at 8:22 pm

    Vee, so glad you’re doing better and are back amongst us! You’ve been missed. (((hugs)))

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  93. 102 berigan2electricboogaloo August 26, 2017 at 11:55 am

    Well, good Julio (JT) showed up last night at Turner…err, STP…..
    something stuck in my craw a bit though….


  94. 103 Gil in Mechanicsville August 26, 2017 at 3:24 pm

    Greetings folks, fun game last night. Always fun when Julio pitches like he did Friday. And a little offense to boot… Yipee… Not crazy about the softball unis but if they win in them, they are okay with me.

    I fear to sing the praises of young Dansby too soon but it looks like he may have righted the ship. Still, he’s no Simba but he will do. Now, if only Newk can unleash the hounds and make us remember why Andrleton was trade in the fist place, the universe will re-align.


  95. 104 berigan2electricboogaloo August 26, 2017 at 7:33 pm

    tried to post this earlier, and got some weird comment about the fact I should clear cookies and history …. so…the barely interesting post of a few hours ago….

    Braves won, Kemp went 3-4….I missed the game, but I saw one comment that his legs still are bothering him…
    Ok….you are hurting, but still had a good game….you make millions. DOB and the rest of the ATL reporters are NOT going to grill you like you were in NY or Boston….


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  98. 107 Gil in Mechanicsville August 28, 2017 at 9:30 am

    Pretty evident what happens when 2 feet of rain falls in 24 hours. It will take weeks for the water to recede too. Hugh mess for those folks.


  99. 108 Vox O'Reason August 28, 2017 at 10:06 am

    I drove through Houston one time many years ago. A thunderstorm rolled in and it rained for about a half hour. The water rose up to just under the door of my car. I started looking for a place to pull off the road that was higher. There is no higher. After the rain stopped the water eventually ran off, but gravity doesn’t help much out there because it’s so flat.

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  100. 109 Gil in Mechanicsville August 28, 2017 at 12:05 pm

    Yes Vee, I too made one trip to Houston, must have been caught in the same thunder storm… 🙂 Discovered there are/were a lot of swimming pools in the area around the city and you needed to speak Spanish as a first langue to communicate with the locals. That and it is really, really flat…. East Texas is kind of nice though.


  101. 110 Vox O'Reason August 28, 2017 at 2:10 pm

    Much is being written now about what the team will do with both Adonis and Johan when they return late next week. Assuming some team doesn’t come in and take BP from us before Thursday, I know how I would handle the playing time.

    First, I think Dansby has won his job back. It’s evident to me that he and Ozzie feed off each other. Dansby’s a different guy now than went to Gwinnett. And I don’t think he’s even close to reaching his potential.

    Second, and speaking of Ozzie, he’s everything he’s been advertised to be. He’s dynamic and fun to watch. Moreover, he’s been found to be an extremely hard worker, and I think that pushes the rest of the team. It has too.

    Third, BP is a respected veteran and a guy who made a big position change at the end of a contract and has flourished. I don’t change that. The 3B job is his. He deserves that. He’s earned it.

    So wither Adonis and Johan? Well, Snit pretty much let the cat out of the bag on Adonis in a recent interview when he said Adonis would be in his OF mix. So that one’s easy… he’ll get his time in LF. Otherwise, he’ll be a nice RH bat off the bench. And that’s not a bad thing.

    As for Johan, well… it looks like the rest of 2017 might yield Snit an opportunity to see him in his likely longterm role, that of the super-sub. Our “Javier Baez”, if you will. He’s a guy who can spell someone different every day. Depending on what happens with BP and depending on the offseason markets, the everyday 3B job could very well land in his lap. But it’s my belief he’ll eventually be the new Martin Prado for us. And that’s a pretty valuable guy.


  102. 111 berigan2electricboogaloo August 28, 2017 at 3:44 pm

    I find it INSANE that some team hasn’t taken a flyer on BP. All Dat Dude does is hit, and play great defense. I don’t care what his age is…
    MLBTR had some brief mention that the Angels interest in him was tepid. Sure, why would they want him when one 2nd baseman(Cliff Pennington, age 33) is hitting .261, with 2 HR’s and 14 RBI’s and the other one (Kaleb Cowart 26) has 3 HR’s 9 RBI’s and a .231 BA. 2 other guys have played there, but they both hit under .161, so….
    oh, and Yunel has been on the DL and is just starting a rehab…they are 1 1/2 games out of the W.C. after a loss to Houston last night…
    and that’s just one team
    Perhaps no team can afford the 100,000 he would cost :/


  103. 112 berigan2electricboogaloo August 28, 2017 at 3:47 pm

    I’ve been to Texas, but not Houston….amazing that almost 7 Mil live in and around the city.
    It does the heart good to see neighbor help neighbor , and least some small good to come out of a horrible situation…


  104. 113 berigan2electricboogaloo August 28, 2017 at 4:08 pm

    Stanton, 50 HR’s
    JHey 8 HR’s

    Remember when we wondered which player was better????

    Stanton has almost single handedly brought the Marlins back into the W.C. race…

    and how about Rhys Hoskins of the Phils????

    I thin they said no one had hit 10 Hr’s in their first 20 games, and after doing that, he hit is 11th…in less than 20 games!!!
    Poor Tommy Joseph, 19 Hr’s 63 RBi’s , and at 25…no place to play him. He used to be a catcher, but after 3 concussions, converted to a 1st baseman…
    NL might as well go DH…for Joseph and Matt Adams sake 😉


  105. 114 Gil in Mechanicsville August 28, 2017 at 5:25 pm

    So, ball game at 7P tonight. Yea….

    Wow, is it September already??? Rosters expand so no shortage of players to mix and match.

    Yes, it is a puzzler that BP is still here. I’m thinking given that Phillips is so cost efficient right now, Coppy was not willing to just give him away for nothing. The Braves may as well get their money’s worth out of him. For sure, he has endeared himself to Atlanta fans everywhere, especially after playing a solid third base.

    Next season should be interesting. Still, it will come down to how well the Braves young pitchers perform. I am hoping someone will get thru to Folty and Newk to teach them to be more efficient. No matter who you are, a team cannot be successful if they are relying upon their bullpen to pitch 4 innings night after night. They at a minimum they need to get into the seventh and preferably into the eight. I just don’t know how that is going to happen when every starter in the minors goes five innings and is done.


  106. 115 Vox O'Reason August 28, 2017 at 5:42 pm


  107. 116 Vox O'Reason August 28, 2017 at 5:44 pm

    I find it INSANE that some team hasn’t taken a flyer on BP

    Teams probably have asked, but the Braves probably want more than “cash considerations” for him, which they should. Same with Matt Adams.

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  108. 117 Vox O'Reason August 28, 2017 at 5:47 pm

    NL might as well go DH…for Joseph and Matt Adams sake

    Even an old curmudgeon like me has now come to think similarly. El Oso Blanco made me at least consider it. Matt Adams cemented it.

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  109. 118 Carolina Lady August 28, 2017 at 8:02 pm

    If you have a player who is doing the job at a position and is hitting, etc., why would you want to get rid of him??? Seems counter-productive to me. The grass is NOT always greener on the other side of the fence. A bird in hand…..etc etc etc.


  110. 120 berigan2electricboogaloo August 29, 2017 at 8:02 am

    CL, its all about the chronological clock….you don’t count on a guy at 36, no matter what he does…unless he’s been with the team his whole career.
    It’s funny, a pitcher at that age, they think still has value at that age, even with a million miles on the ol’ arm..
    Thats why I can’t rightly figure out BP. At this point, he’s basically blocking a younger guy (well, when they get off the DL) No way will he be back in 2018, so you would think he’d be traded…1 month of the season to go, what difference, at this point does it matter what you get for him?


  111. 121 Vox O'Reason August 29, 2017 at 3:35 pm

    Front office reshuffling of the deck:

    Dom Chiti, Atlanta’s current Director of Pitching, will become Farm Director. Dave Wallace, the current Special Assistant to Chiti, will be promoted to Director of Pitching.
    Dave Trembly, the current Farm Director, will be relegated to Field Coordinator.
    Special Assistants to the GM Rick Williams, Roy Clark, and Billy Ryan will all receive new titles.

    These moves have not been officially announced, but were sourced from a new article out today by Ken Rosenthal, who makes note of the “minor restructuring of the front office” in a piece that goes a bit deeper. Rosey suggests that these moves are a precursor to larger moves afoot that will basically determine who is actually steering the ship. He suggests there is a power struggle going on between the 3 Johns – between the past (Schuerholz) and the now (Hart/Coppy).

    I haven’t personally read the article because I don’t generally pay for material to digest when there is a plethora of free media available for consumption, including new articles discussing Rosey’s new piece.

    But here’s my take: It was going to happen at some time. It was bound to. And this season seems like about the right time. This team is poised to turn a corner this offseason with the arrival of young talent coupled with the opening of alot of salary room. What we are going to see in 2018 will be recognizably different than what we’ve seen through the rebuild, and there has to be a clear architect at the top to oversee it’s shaping.

    Naturally all 3 of the Johns are denying there are any cracks in their unity. But common sense tells you that they can’t agree on everything.

    It’s time for a clear voice to emerge as the Supreme Commander. It needs to happen before this very important offseason.


  112. 122 Vox O'Reason August 29, 2017 at 4:05 pm


  113. 123 berigan2electricboogaloo August 29, 2017 at 4:07 pm

    interesting….it must be odd for the homeboy upstairs, I assume…to be king of a figurehead, with John Hart seemingly one these days too…or do they wield more power than I think?
    Or is it, Coppy, you are in charge of trades, but after being burned on so many free agents in the past, let us “experts” take charge of the free agent situation?

    Just a spitballin’ 😉


  114. 124 Vox O'Reason August 29, 2017 at 4:10 pm

    Regarding the alleged “power struggle” within the Braves front office, AJC writer Mark Bradley makes a very valid point:

    According to Rosenthal’s unnamed “team official,” the issue is: “Is John Schuerholz running the club or are John Hart and John Coppolella running it?” As they say in courts of law, that would seem to have been asked and answered. Schuerholz is no longer the president of anything. He’s the vice chairman, doing whatever it is vice chairmen do, which is mostly christen stadiums and shake hands. The recently minted Hall of Famer didn’t tell Frank Wren, his successor as general manager, what and what not to do.

    Seems a logical take to me.


  115. 125 Gil in Mechanicsville August 29, 2017 at 4:13 pm

    And here I thought John Surholtz had pretty much moved along to be the fellow in charge of the real estate arm of the Braves empire, John Hart being the sage behind the scene and Coppy responsible for the day to day baseball stuff. After all, generals don’t lead the charge up the hill any longer. Who knows? Egos can be a terrible thing sometimes, always afraid someone else will get the credit. If the Braves make it back to the top of the heap, there will be plenty of praise to go around. Lots of blame too if they fall short or maybe trade Acuna… Just saying…


  116. 126 Gil in Mechanicsville August 29, 2017 at 4:25 pm

    And while I have the old CPU warmed up, I may as well opine about how tough it has been to watch the Braves night after night since they reached the high water mark of 43-43 shortly after the AS break. It has been pretty tough sledding since then. Losing 2 of every 3 and approaching Freddie G’s performance levels, I’m thinking if the team doesn’t play .500 ball during the month of September, Snit’s tenure as manager will indeed be short.

    Not saying it’s fair, just saying that is how it is. Look for Ron Washington to get promoted and a lot of familiar faces to move on. It is the nature of the beast.

    A final parting shot at the Texas Rangers. The Astros are playing their 3 “home” games slated against the Rangers at Tropicana Field in Tampa because the Rangers refused to swap home dates with them. Rangers wanted to play all six games in Arlington. The Rangers have slide to the bottom of the pile as far as teams I would like to have success. Absolutely a selfish act if you ask me.

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  117. 127 Gil in Mechanicsville August 29, 2017 at 4:27 pm

    The recently minted Hall of Famer didn’t tell Frank Wren, his successor as general manager, what and what not to do.

    On the other hand, maybe he should have but then, why would you need a General Manager?


  118. 128 Vox O'Reason August 29, 2017 at 4:38 pm

    I think this is much ado about nothing. I think it’s Rosey penning a new article for his new employer and trying to get as many new subscribers as possible for a burgeoning publication vying for a place in a crowded marketplace. “Fake news” at best; click bait at worst.

    Think about it…

    Has JS been involved in any personnel matters of late that you can recall? Mark Bradley layed it out correctly. JS stuck around the office to see this team get into it’s new home and to get his plaque in Cooperstown. He’s not doing anything on the personnel side. When would he? He’s spent the last 4 couple of months doing the HOF rubber chicken circuit. Hart is overseeing the whole kitchen from Rookie League to Major League, but it’s Coppy with his sleeves rolled up mixing the ingredients.

    I must admit, it hooked me at first. But after careful consideration and reading of other respected opines, I think its nothing at all.

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  119. 129 Vox O'Reason August 29, 2017 at 4:40 pm

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  120. 130 Vox O'Reason August 29, 2017 at 4:44 pm

    If you have a player who is doing the job at a position and is hitting, etc., why would you want to get rid of him??? Seems counter-productive to me.

    CL, its all about the chronological clock….you don’t count on a guy at 36, no matter what he does

    Another way to look at it is this…

    BP is on the last month of his contract here. At 36, he won’t be back. The team is losing. For me, I’d rather lose with young guys than with old guys. I just would. But that’s me…


  121. 131 Vox O'Reason August 29, 2017 at 4:48 pm

    No baseball tonight… 😦


  122. 132 Gil in Mechanicsville August 30, 2017 at 5:45 pm

    Fun DH today so far, Dickey dealing today and Julio looking like good Julio.

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  123. 133 Gil in Mechanicsville August 31, 2017 at 8:44 am

    What a fun afternoon yesterday, for 5 1/2 hours the Braves look just like a real, big league baseball team…

    BP got his 2000th hit with his mom in attendance, nice touch. Ender gets eight hits in the twin bill and back up, journeyman minor league catcher gets his first hit as a big league ball player and looked really comfortable behind the dish for Julio. Just fun, fun, fun..

    Tonight, a chance at redemption against the Cubbies in Chitown.

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  124. 134 Vox O'Reason August 31, 2017 at 9:10 am

    Last day for waiver trades for a player to be eligible for the playoffs. Will anyone on our roster go?

    I doubt it.


  125. 135 berigan2electricboogaloo August 31, 2017 at 10:02 am

    I of course…missed all of the game(s) I knew there was a rainout Tuesday, but had no idea they were going to have a double header the next day…flipped by at 7:30 to see that it was too bright for a 7 pm game….looked it up, they won! yay! Wait, 2 games? found that out even later…shame I missed them.
    Glad BP got 2000, almost got it in the ATL….
    V, I bet you are right, unless some team really needs a 2nd baseman…D’Backs keep having middle infielders go down, but I think it is SS’s…


  126. 137 Vox O'Reason August 31, 2017 at 3:37 pm

    Justin Upton goes to the Halos as they are going all in for the playoff push. Hard to believe they haven’t made a play for Dat Dude.


  127. 138 Vox O'Reason August 31, 2017 at 4:52 pm

    Familiar lineup 2nite when Los Barves face off with the Cubbies:

    Ender, CF
    Dat Dude, 3B
    Freddie, 1B
    Kemp, LF
    Markakis, RF
    Zuk, C
    Ozzie, 2B
    Dans, SS
    Newk, LHP

    That is, unless Dat Dude takes off or LAA. It makes alot of sense for the Halos to pick him up given they’ve doubled down on this season and given their current hole at 2B. BTW- a lineup that has Trout, Pujols and JUp in the middle? Sick.

    I know I’d love to see BP paired up around the keystone with Simba. What a show, huh?

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  128. 139 Gil in Mechanicsville August 31, 2017 at 4:56 pm

    You beat me to the punch Vee, I think BP’s low cost to the Braves keeps him in Atlanta. I understand Dat Dude gets a $500,000 bonus if traded this season. While I am sure some other teams could use him, I am of the mind that Coppy has not like the returns offered for Phillips. One of the main reason for trading a veteran is salary relief.

    So, we will see how the Braves mix and match their line ups going forward when Camargo returns.


  129. 140 Vox O'Reason August 31, 2017 at 5:01 pm

    man I wonder how LAA will lineup now that JUp is there. He’ll replace Ben Revere in LF, who was ther leadoff hitter. They don’t actually have a clear leadoff hitter now. Simba? Maybe…

    Simba, SS
    Trout, CF
    Pujols, DH
    JUp, LF
    Calhoun, RF
    Valbuena, 3B
    Cron, 1B
    Maldonado, C
    Cowart, 2B

    It makes a little sense. Adding BP would make a big difference, if you ask me. I’d slot him in 2nd and bump everyone else down. Of course, Pujols probably has some contractual obligation to bat 3rd. But given his “all or nothing” type of season this year, I’d drop him. Heck, I might even drop him behind JUp to 5th.


  130. 141 Vox O'Reason August 31, 2017 at 5:03 pm

    *I am of the mind that Coppy has not like the returns offered for Phillips.

    It’s the only reasonable answer. Surely teams have come knocking. He’s dirt cheap. Still, there’s time. The waiver deadline time is midnight, so ya never know…


  131. 142 Vox O'Reason August 31, 2017 at 5:08 pm

    And I don’t say that because I don’t like BP. TO the contrary, I love him. But the reality is that he is not part of the future, It would behoove the Braves to let the kids play and get experience. It would also keep the fans engaged. All things being equal, I’d prefer to see Johan at 3B in September just because I want to know what we have for next year.

    And it’d be best for BP, too. He’d go to a team vying for a post-season spot. He won’t get that here… for sure. He’s only played in 3 post-season series in his career, and one of those was that dadgum 1 game Wild Card play-in. (One of the stupidest things in pro sports, but I’ll save that rant for another time.)


  132. 143 Gil in Mechanicsville August 31, 2017 at 5:37 pm

    Not mention was Maybin being traded to Astros by the Angels for the cost of picking up the remainder of his $9mm salary. I guess that was to clear space for Upton.

    Should be interesting if BP is traded before midnight. Like Yogi says, “It ain’t over til it’s over”


  133. 144 Vox O'Reason August 31, 2017 at 7:39 pm

    And there ya go…


  134. 145 Vox O'Reason August 31, 2017 at 7:41 pm

    Uh… yeah.


  135. 146 Gil in Mechanicsville August 31, 2017 at 8:16 pm

    Okay, like you said Vee, the Angels need a 2nd baseman and that is the team being linked to a possible deal with the Braves. For his sake, I hope he takes it. It’s his best shot at a playoff spot. I understand not wanting to go to the left coast but it is only for a month….


  136. 147 Vox O'Reason August 31, 2017 at 8:31 pm

    It’s not rocket science…

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  137. 148 Vox O'Reason August 31, 2017 at 8:39 pm

    Of course they are.


  138. 149 Vox O'Reason August 31, 2017 at 8:43 pm

    To me, that $500,000 bonus if traded would be pretty dadgum persuasive.


  139. 150 Vox O'Reason August 31, 2017 at 8:46 pm

    I mean, we’re talking a month, 2 tops. Then he gets to come home and choose his next team. Seriously… an extra half mill for 2 months in Cali. Where do I sign up?

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  140. 151 Vox O'Reason August 31, 2017 at 10:02 pm

    Ugh… Jason Motte. How about Jason NOT?

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  141. 152 berigan2electricboogaloo September 1, 2017 at 6:10 am

    I was saying over a month ago that the Angels seemed a beyond logical landing place for BP.
    Angels didn’t seem interested…can you blame them? their 2nd basemen have hit a collective .196…who needs to improve on that????
    The Angels really are amazing. Name a starter. Who’s their catcher? 1st baseman? We know their minor league system is depleted….
    yet, they Got Justin Upton, got rid of Cameron Maybin (who was briefly hot) and now have BP.
    There was a beyond stupid clickbate story on espn (that was actually on 5:38 or whatever that dumb site is called) that said Albert Pujols was the worst player in baseball….at that time he had 19 HR’s and 78 RBI’s. but has stunk up the place after the all star break…only hitting .239. But come on…
    I made a sarcastic post there (so unlike me I know) that said it’s so good to finally know that driving in runs was not an important part of the game, now to just convince managers to not even bother changing pitchers when the game is on the line and he is up, and for pitchers to relax, never worry when he is up, he’s the worst of the worst!
    After said stupid story came out, he hit 2 HR’s and drove in 4, now 21 HRs and 83 RBI’s on bad legs. On pace for 25 HR’s and 100 RBI’s, but that as the enlightened knows, is worthless….
    I’d like a team of 8 guys with numbers like that…I’d like the Braves chances next year if everyone put up those numbers…
    Now, with some fresh blood in the lineup, he might even do better…..

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  142. 153 berigan2electricboogaloo September 1, 2017 at 6:16 am

    and BP was very classy after the game, ICYMI. Said it was harder to leave here than Cincy even (I am sure he is bitter about not being a lifer there, and I can’t blame him a bit)
    I wish him nothing but success…glad he and Nick were able to get 2000 with the braves, too bad that couldn’t happen in the ATL….

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  143. 154 Vox O'Reason September 1, 2017 at 8:21 am

    There was a beyond stupid clickbate story on espn

    ESPN? What is that? Oh yeah… a former sports site that is just an advertising vehicle now. As you said, click bait.

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  144. 155 Gil in Mechanicsville September 1, 2017 at 8:22 am

    Last night’s game was over when Jason Mott cam in…

    Good luck to Dat Dude, I hope he gets a chance to make the play-offs.

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  145. 156 Vox O'Reason September 1, 2017 at 8:24 am

    The Braves said they felt they were rewarding him by triggering the $500,000 trade bonus. He deserves it. He also deserves to be in a playoff hunt.

    I know it’s not easy to leave home, but it’s really the best thing for him. And if we’re honest about where this team is, we’ll admit that it’s best for us too. We need to see Johan and Rio for the next month. We need to assess exactly where we are at 3B.


  146. 157 Gil in Mechanicsville September 1, 2017 at 8:25 am

    Jace Perterson reminded me of another former Braves third baseman last night, Brooks Conrad… Without the bat…

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  147. 158 Vox O'Reason September 1, 2017 at 8:25 am

    Last night’s game was over when Jason Mott cam in



  148. 159 Vox O'Reason September 1, 2017 at 8:32 am

    What we’re not yet talking about is that we got back a serviceable catcher in the deal with the Angels. Certainly not an All-Star, and probably not a starter. But a decent backup with major league experience. And that’s important given the recent injury to TFlow. it’s also important tat this time of year when alot of teams carry 3 catchers.

    So who is Tony Sanchez? He’s a 29-year-old who has hit .259 with 4 HR’s in 51 career ML games, all with PIT. He’s a former 1st round draft pick and is hitting .272 with 4 HR’s for the AAA Salt Lake Bees. He won’t be arb eligible until 2019, so he’s under team control for a while.

    If you ask me, Coppy got back alot more than I expected. Like I said, he’s not an All-Star, but he’s upper level catching talent, something we didn’t have before last night.


  149. 160 Gil in Mechanicsville September 1, 2017 at 8:36 am

    Why not carry four catchers? Expanded rosters, no real money involved. Let Tyler’s wrist heal up. Only problem is finding a guy who can catch Dickey.


  150. 161 Vox O'Reason September 1, 2017 at 8:36 am

    I may have spoken too hastily about Sanchez. Doing some further reading, it’s expected that the Braves won’t keep him on their 40-man roster after the season ends. I guess time will tell that tale. Either way, it really doesn’t have a huge impact on the team going forward.


  151. 162 Gil in Mechanicsville September 1, 2017 at 8:37 am

    Looking back, Bruce Benedict does not get enough credit…

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  152. 163 Vox O'Reason September 1, 2017 at 8:39 am

    Let Tyler’s wrist heal up.

    I agree 100%. His $4M option for 2018 is a no brainer. Let Zuk carry the water for September and let Flow get healthy.


  153. 164 Vox O'Reason September 1, 2017 at 8:43 am

    As for last night’s game, I thought Newk looked pretty good. He was not getting any calls from CB Bucknor, the worst umpire this side of Angel Hernandez. In fact, CB is probably the worst behind the plate.

    But Newk is showing us what he has in the arsenal. I love seeing that big ol’ Uncle Charlie, but his fastball is just as big a weapon, and I thought he used it well last night. He just wasn’t getting any calls on the corners, running up his pitch count.

    And I can’t blame him for giving up many of those hits to the Cubs. They are a very good hitting team. IMO, he didn’t make many mistakes.

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  154. 165 Vox O'Reason September 1, 2017 at 8:46 am

    And I love love love Verlander as a member of the Astros. I’m looking forward to cheering them on in the playoffs this October.

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  155. 166 Gil in Mechanicsville September 1, 2017 at 9:04 am

    Yes, Verlander to the Astros is a big deal. They needed a big time pitcher and the Tigers got some good prospects. The rebuild continues in Detroit.


  156. 167 Vox O'Reason September 1, 2017 at 9:21 am

    According to DO’B, the Braves are not expected to make alot of additions with the expanded roster. In fact, they aren’t expected to bring up any of the faces we’re all clamoring to see, with the possible exception of P Luis Gohara. These are the moves he says we can expect:

    Today: Rex Brothers will be recalled; Ian Krol and Luke Jackson will be activated from 10-Day DL.

    Monday: Johan Camargo, Adonis Garcia and Danny Santana are expected to be activated from 10-Day DL.

    Currently, newly acquired C Tony Sanchez has not been added to the 40-man roster. I would think that should happen before tonight’s game.

    The Braves say they would like to wait until Monday on Johan if they can, leaving 3B up in the air for the rest of the weekend series in CHI. If you ask me, and nobody has, they should bring Rio up for the weekend since Johan will probably be playing in his place at AAA anyway.


  157. 168 Vox O'Reason September 1, 2017 at 9:23 am

    Bowman: This is a deal that allows the Braves to focus on the future by playing Camargo and Ruiz at third base throughout September.

    I haven’t heard Rio’s name mentioned by anyone with respect to a September callup, but I can’t imagine he won’t be. Like I said, he could be in the lineup tonight.


  158. 169 Vox O'Reason September 1, 2017 at 9:33 am

    Now back to Gohara…

    He made his last start of the season for Gwinnett last night, striking out 7 over 5 scoreless IP. He allowed 3 H and 2 BB, with 57 strikes out of 85 total pitches. He recorded all 15 of his outs either via a K (7) or groundout (8).

    I expect him to get a callup and make a couple of spot starts for the big club. Heck… why not expand the rotation to 6 starters and give the guys an extra day’s rest between starts in September? The youngsters have probably never made this many starts in their careers, and the veterans would probably appreciate the extra rest during the September grind.

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  159. 170 Gil in Mechanicsville September 1, 2017 at 9:37 am

    Discovered a new news channel that is much better than Fox News, less editorializing and more even handed reporting of the news. What a novel concept. Channel 347 for DirecTV subscribers.

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  160. 171 Vox O'Reason September 1, 2017 at 9:52 am

    Just ran across this. Is this just lip service to a beloved former teammate or is he seriously considering it?

    I suppose that’s what September evaluations are for, right?

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  161. 172 Gil in Mechanicsville September 1, 2017 at 9:56 am

    Message to those players on the bubble, You can be replaced…

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  162. 173 Vox O'Reason September 1, 2017 at 10:41 am

    ALERT: 2:20pm game today, Ber… don’t sleep through it.

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  163. 174 Vox O'Reason September 1, 2017 at 11:16 am

    Micah Johnson has been DFA’d to open a 40-man roster spot for Tony Sanchez, who will join the boys in Chicago today. It’s a bit curious in that BP’s exit opened a spot. It signals that the team intends to use the remaining spot for another addition… possibly Luis Gohara? That’s my guess, anyway.

    As expected, pitchers Ian Krol, Luke Jackson, Max Fried, and Rex Brothers have all been added to the roster today as well.

    And also as expected, Rio Ruiz is in the house and starting at 3B.


  164. 175 Vox O'Reason September 1, 2017 at 11:19 am

    IMO, the emergence of Lane Adams makes it easy to expose Micah to waivers. LASwiftness has been great off our bench.

    And I’d say it’s a decent chance Micah will go unclaimed and simply be outrighted back to AAA.


  165. 176 Vox O'Reason September 1, 2017 at 11:21 am

    In fact, now that I think about it, Luis Gohara will have to be added to the 40-man at season’s end anyway to protect him from the Rule 5 draft, so they might as well add him now and let him get a taste of The Show in September. He’s a legitimate candidate for a rotation spot in 2018.


  166. 177 Vox O'Reason September 1, 2017 at 11:26 am

    2day’s lineup:

    Ender, CF
    Ozzie, 2B
    Freddie, 1B
    Kemp, LF
    Markakis, RF
    Zuk, C
    Rio, 3B
    Dans, SS
    Sims, RHP

    Ozzie at #2 is probably what we’ll see from now on…


  167. 178 Vox O'Reason September 1, 2017 at 11:37 am

    Short rest because of the DH on Wednesday. I look forward to seeing Fried get the start. Another part of the future beginning to emerge. These are exciting times!


  168. 179 Vox O'Reason September 1, 2017 at 12:18 pm

    Jason Not, er, I mean Motte has been placed on the 10-day DL with a lat strain. If you ask me, it’s more accurately a roster strain. Maybe he’ll need 30 days to recover. And he is a FA after 2017.

    See ya.

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  169. 180 Vox O'Reason September 1, 2017 at 12:19 pm

    And it is confirmed that Max Fried will make his first start as a ML’er on Sunday. Very cool!


  170. 181 Vox O'Reason September 1, 2017 at 1:35 pm

    My crystal ball seems to be dialed in today…

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  171. 182 Vox O'Reason September 1, 2017 at 1:36 pm

    … well OK then.


  172. 183 berigan2electricboogaloo September 1, 2017 at 1:47 pm

    errors, and Motte aside….you aren’t going going to win games at Wrigley if you score only 2 runs…

    question for you all….Matt Kemp….does he look…out of shape? I remember thinking he didn’t look terrible last year, but they said he was out of shape. I didn’t see him without a shirt (A good thing! 😉 ) but I think he looked better early on, we heard he was in shape…now? He just looks soft to me. Makes no sense. Bad hammy or not, you can still lift weights, and ride a bike after some rest.


  173. 184 Vox O'Reason September 1, 2017 at 1:49 pm

    Weird. Braves say that they are still at 39 on the 40-man roster, thus they didn’t need to DFA Micah to make room for Gohara on Tuesday (which would be his regular turn in the rotation, BTW). But by my count, I see 41.

    Not sure how that all adds up…


  174. 185 Vox O'Reason September 1, 2017 at 1:50 pm

    Matt Kemp….does he look…out of shape?

    I don’t know if he is or isn’t, but he looks stiff to me. Legs are just not there for him right now.


  175. 186 Gil in Mechanicsville September 1, 2017 at 2:28 pm

    Ditto on Kemp looking stiff.


  176. 187 Gil in Mechanicsville September 1, 2017 at 5:45 pm

    That said, the entire Braves offense played like a bunch of stiffs today… BAH…


  177. 188 Gil in Mechanicsville September 2, 2017 at 2:03 pm

    One absolute truth in baseball, if you don’t score, you cannot win…

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  178. 189 berigan2electricboogaloo September 2, 2017 at 3:36 pm

    and they finally score some runs, Sims gives 1 right back, really should be 2 wind saved him….
    really glad Sims and Newcomb are getting their feet wet now, cuz…they suck right now….might as well suck now ….they really need to work on their secondary pitches….get those straightened out, they should be ok….


  179. 190 berigan2electricboogaloo September 2, 2017 at 3:58 pm

    of course Ian Krol is suckier….


  180. 191 Gil in Mechanicsville September 2, 2017 at 6:05 pm

    Well, can’t hang this one on the offense, Cubs by a field goal.


  181. 192 Gil in Mechanicsville September 3, 2017 at 9:22 pm

    Nice game for the rookies today. Rio Ruiz with a career high 3 RBI, Fried with the win and Dansby continuing his good work. YeeHaw…

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  182. 193 Gil in Mechanicsville September 4, 2017 at 9:30 am

    While I would like to see Acuna get a promotion to the show, I fully support the Braves decision to keep him off the 40 man roster until next spring.

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  183. 194 berigan2electricboogaloo September 4, 2017 at 7:33 pm

    Oh, I’d love to see him too, but until Nick M or Kemp is traded away….he wouldn’t play much would he? and starts the clock of course…


  184. 195 Vox O'Reason September 5, 2017 at 8:40 am

    Good morning, all. Baseball much. That’s all.

    No really… I’m enjoying watching the rooks. I’m enjoying watching Ozzie and Dans and Rio and Sims and Newk and Max. I’m even enjoying watching Minter here and there.

    Seriously, Rio looks like he really wants to be the team’s everyday 3B. And if he continues to play like he has this past week, I really want him to be the team’s everyday 3B as well. So wither Johan Camargo? It’s a good problem to have.

    Obviously this would all be much more fun if we’re winning the games. But to be perfectly honest, those games don’t help us at all toward 2018, and 2017 has nothing left for us.

    I’m content seeing the rooks perform. And I’m really looking forward to 2018.

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  185. 196 Gil in Mechanicsville September 5, 2017 at 9:44 am

    One thing which was obvious early last night was R.A. just did not have it. His knuckle ball was just sitting on a tee for the Rangers. Oh well, that is what happens. Can’t fake a knuckle ball…

    Yes, Rio looks pretty spry at third and Dansby looks as if he has had a reawakening. Rookies, that is what you get, peaks and valleys.

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  186. 197 berigan2electricboogaloo September 5, 2017 at 10:44 am

    V, folks may be jumping the gun on Ruiz…after this hot streak his BA is all the way up to….213 in 94 ab’s
    Camargo was hitting .292 after 185 ab’s before going on the DL.

    So, what to do? Rest Dansby? No…Ozzie? No…platoon them? Then Ruiz gets most of the playing time… I wouldn’t want to be Snit….well, I’d take his salary 😉


  187. 198 Vox O'Reason September 5, 2017 at 12:20 pm

    V, folks may be jumping the gun on Ruiz…after this hot streak his BA is all the way up to….213 in 94 ab’s

    Yes, but in the last week since returning he’s slashing .429/.467/.714 w/ 6 hits in 14 AB’s including 1 HR, 1 2B, and 4 RBI. And let’s face it, driving in those runners on base in scoring position has not exactly been automatic for this team this season. And his defense has been a thing of excellence.

    Which is the true Rio? The one who was sent back down in June or the one who returned in August? My guess is somewhere in between.

    But as I said, “… if he continues to play like he has this past week, I really want him to be the team’s everyday 3B.”

    Camargo was hitting .292 after 185 ab’s before going on the DL.

    But what will he do upon his return? We’ve all seen these young guys look completely different at various times. I hope he’s the same, but who knows?

    So, what to do? Rest Dansby? No…Ozzie? No…platoon them?

    You do what the plan was to begin with, which is have Johan be the super sub and give all these guys a blow from time to time. Johan Camargo is the reason that Sean Rodriguez, the guy they signed to be the super sub, was traded. Period. Solely responsible.

    Plus, these things have a way of working themselves out.

    My guess is that Rio will not be a .429/.467/.714 guy (duh) and that Johan will probably not be a .292/.327/.454 guy. My guess is that both of these guys will get their share of playing time as their performance dictates. It’s great competition, and competition breeds excellence.

    I once again point to the Cubs with Ben Zobrist, Addison Russell, Kris Bryant, and Javier Baez. 4 guys to play 3 positions, yet it works and works very well.


  188. 199 Vox O'Reason September 5, 2017 at 12:23 pm

    This is exciting!! I can’t wait to see how he does!

    Hmmm… my math, however, says someone has to go if LuGo is added to the 40.


  189. 200 Vox O'Reason September 5, 2017 at 12:24 pm

    Was expected. Those should be the last moves to be made, though.


  190. 201 Vox O'Reason September 5, 2017 at 1:38 pm

    Still awaiting word on how the 40-man roster, which currently stands at 41 with the addition of Luiz Gohara, is to be adjusted.

    Count with me and see if my math holds up: https://www.rosterresource.com/mlb-atlanta-braves/


  191. 202 Gil in Mechanicsville September 5, 2017 at 2:48 pm

    I suspect someone will be placed on (moved to) the 60 day DL or possibly released or traded. (A catcher) … It all makes my head hurt…

    So, is the weather going to hold tonight in ATL or will the front moving thru tonight induce a double hitter tomorrow?


  192. 203 berigan2electricboogaloo September 5, 2017 at 3:29 pm

    V, good example with Ben Zobrist, though he was terrible for 2 months so he didn’t play quite as much then… and over 40 games in the outfield, though I imagine a few were late in the game moves….not quite sure why Javier Baez even plays regularly (and he has split 50-50 between 2nd and SS) I mean, his OBP is only .315, that means he’s no good, right? /S

    I do think teams like the Cubs and Cards get a bit too cute with the forever shuffling outfield/infield….someday a Kris Bryant or Javy Baez is going to get hurt in the outfield


  193. 204 berigan2electricboogaloo September 5, 2017 at 3:37 pm

    Hmm, I guess Javy and Kris aren’t playing the outfield this year…guess I am remembering last year….
    so, I saw one commenter call Luiz Gohara the Brazillian C.C. Sabathia….he’s not still pitching, and pitching well , is he??? funny how the fat guys (CC. David Wells, Big Sexy) are often the guys that pitch the longest…

    check out what a few scouts said in January about Luiz….



  194. 205 Vox O'Reason September 5, 2017 at 4:45 pm

    Reevaluated. Isn’t that convenient..?

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  195. 206 Vox O'Reason September 5, 2017 at 4:49 pm

    According to DO’B, the Braves plan to keep Gohara in a 6-man rotation and move Lucas Sims to the bullpen.

    That’s interesting to me. Sims has shown flashes of brilliance, but has a hard time getting through the lineup twice, much less a third time. Given the flood of young starting pitching that’s here or on the way, including Folty, Newk, Fried and Gohara, maybe the bullpen is Sims’ future on this team.


  196. 207 Carolina Lady September 5, 2017 at 5:04 pm

    VOR, how’s your recovery coming?

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  197. 208 Vox O'Reason September 5, 2017 at 5:06 pm

    I like the idea of the 6 man rotation since most of these guys are young and haven’t pitched this far into a season in their pro careers. It might rankle Julio and RAD a little knowing it’ll cost each a start, maybe 2, and therefor innings that look good on their resumes.

    That said, RAD probably doesn’t care given that he’s 50/50 toward retiring at year’s end anyway. As for Julio, he hasn’t got a snowball’s chance at 200 IP, but matching last season’s 188 IP might be a goal. He’s currently at 157.1. He’ll need 4 good quality 7 inning starts to get to 185, and I don’t see it happening. Not based on this year’s results.


  198. 209 Vox O'Reason September 5, 2017 at 5:10 pm

    VOR, how’s your recovery coming?

    I’m doing great… thanks for asking. Not yet at full release from the doc, but hopefully in another 10 days or so. Otherwise, I am strong like bear.

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  199. 211 Carolina Lady September 5, 2017 at 8:49 pm

    Y’all are just good! We oughtta change the name to “You Heard It Here First!” – – – or something…… 😀

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  200. 213 berigan2electricboogaloo September 5, 2017 at 11:01 pm

    2nd rainout of the season….


  201. 216 Gil in Mechanicsville September 6, 2017 at 11:10 am

    And who is USAToday’s minor league play of the year?

    Why, it’s the answer to everything… 🙂


  202. 217 Gil in Mechanicsville September 6, 2017 at 11:33 am

    So, I fully expect Coppy will try to move either Kemp or Markakis this winter with money going along to grease the wheels to facilitate an opening for Acuna in 2018. Might even consider moving Ender if the right package were to be returned for him. Not saying I would like to see Ender traded but it is baseball and it is a business, Ender would garner the greatest return. We shall see. What the Braves are now doing is building a core for which to build around. Expect the starting 8 to be fairly constant with new talent in the support positions. It is what was done in the nineties.

    One other comment about Acuna. The gig should have been up when Chipper opined that his first reaction to Acuna after seeing him on the back fields was Andrew Jones..


  203. 218 Gil in Mechanicsville September 6, 2017 at 11:35 am

    I also predict Matt Adams will be moved to an American League team in the off season. Will be much like the El Orso Blanco trade.

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  204. 219 Gil in Mechanicsville September 6, 2017 at 11:36 am

    And for the same reason… Unless the NL adopts the DH in the off season.


  205. 220 Gil in Mechanicsville September 6, 2017 at 11:41 am

    Current needs for Braves in 2018?
    A front line starting pitcher
    Several relief pitchers
    Hope that a couple of the young starting pitchers pan out for the rotation

    Rule of thumb for a major league team is you need 7 major league ready starting pitchers at the beginning of the season to be competitive.

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  206. 221 Vox O'Reason September 6, 2017 at 12:34 pm

    Matt Kemp was fantastic at the end of 2016 for us. He’s been pretty average in 2017, that is when he’s healthy. Markakis is the definitive “professional hitter”, but otherwise unremarkable. I honestly don’t think there will be much of a market for either. Sadly for Markakis, He might find an interested team in one that is rebuilding (sound familiar?) and would like a veteran leader on a 1 year commitment. But we won’t get much of a return for him. I don’t think Kemp has any market at all… at least not without us eating a ton of his remaining salary.

    That said, it is almost a certainty that Coppy will open the door for Acuna at some point before the team kicks off the 2018 campaign. It may be during spring after some team suffers an OF injury and has a sudden need. Or he may attach one of Markakis or Kemp to a pitching prospect to get it done.

    Lucas Sims maybe?


  207. 222 Vox O'Reason September 6, 2017 at 12:43 pm

    I’m sure that Coppy will continue his pursuit of a “controllable” front line arm this offseason. He was adamant about it prior to the trade deadline, and I think he’ll be even more adamant about it during this offseason. i think he’ll go back to DET about Michael Fulmer, assuming this numbness issue he’s had recently isn’t a symptom of a larger problem.

    I won’t even rule out Coppy shopping in the deep waters for a starter in FA. There will be a handful that will cost some $$, starting with Jake Arrieta, Alex Cobb, Marco Estrada, and Yu Darvish.

    Still, it’s more his style to turn up a trade for a guy that no one has even thought about, He has a knack for it.


  208. 223 Gil in Mechanicsville September 6, 2017 at 12:48 pm

    It is why I figured on cash going the other way if either Markakis or Kemp were traded. Kep has become an American League player too. Everything a power hitter does is based on his lower half. I know when I could no longer take a full swing because of my back, I became a line drive hitter but due to my snail like speed, they were mostly singles.

    In MLB, singles hitters do not play left field except as a late inning defensive player. With Kemp’s history of hamstring problems, is doubt the Braves will be able to unload him.

    Perhaps the Braves can get some winter league team to accept Adams as an outfielder so he can at least play a passable left field, Monday night he was absolutely horrible. And the ball kept finding its way to him. It was painful to watch.


  209. 224 Gil in Mechanicsville September 6, 2017 at 12:54 pm

    The problem with so many “young arms” is the inability for them to be inning eaters. 5 innings per start is going to destroy a bullpen in short order.

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  210. 225 Vox O'Reason September 6, 2017 at 1:05 pm

    Here is the scouting report on Luiz Gohara, courtesy of Outfield Fly Rule:

    Gohara has two things going for him that is unlike almost all other lefty starters. First off, he’s got a fastball that sits in the mid ’90s that he can push up to the 98 mph range with minimal effort, and has been clocked at 100 mph. Secondly, he has possibly the most devastating slider in the Braves organization, a high-80s monster that is his biggest swing-and-miss offering. To go with these plus-plus pitches, Gohara has also been working in a change-up that saw tremendous improvement over the course of the season and rates as an average pitch, which should be good enough to keep right-handers guessing.

    Gohara can occasionally battle his command, and AAA batters in particular were more apt to wait Gohara out during these times, which saw a spike in both his walk rate and his home run rate. Gohara’s 123.2 IP this season exceeds his previous professional innings total by 54 innings, so don’t be surprised if Gohara’s outings are somewhat limited during this initial promotion to the major leagues.

    Finally, Gohara has battled conditioning issues in his early minor league career, and looks bigger than than his 210 pound listed weight by around 40 pounds. This is not necessarily a concern as Gohara moves well around and off the mound and certainly has the frame to accommodate the weight, but it’s something for the club to keep an eye on as Gohara moves into his second decade.


  211. 226 Vox O'Reason September 6, 2017 at 1:51 pm

    I take back what I said about Kemp… :-/


  212. 227 Vox O'Reason September 6, 2017 at 3:56 pm

    … uh, maybe not. 😯


  213. 228 Vox O'Reason September 6, 2017 at 3:57 pm

    Matt Wisler is pitching his way off the 40 man roster when this season wraps.


  214. 229 Gil in Mechanicsville September 6, 2017 at 4:32 pm

    Well, that got ugly in a hurry didn’t it?

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  215. 230 Gil in Mechanicsville September 6, 2017 at 5:33 pm

    Okay, my evaluation of the Braves pitching today: I thought Gohara was decent. I did not expect a shutout and he is not the first rookie to get his butt handed to him in his debut. I thought he got squeezed a bit on the strike zone but that is what it is. The wheels came off when Matt Kemp parlayed a single into a triple and Gohara became tentative. That led to walks and that led to even more trying to be cute and nibbling… That’s okay, he has decent stuff, decent enough to make it in the show. Wisler still has that deer in the headlights look about him. His stuff is not go enough to blow away hitters and his control not good enough to trick them.

    I think you are right Vee, likely packaged with some other prospects to clear roster space.

    I’m giving Winkler a C+ today and Ian Krol a B.

    So, it is up to Teheran to cool off the Rangers bats tonight.


  216. 231 Gil in Mechanicsville September 6, 2017 at 5:36 pm

    One final point about Gohara, he will need a third pitch to be an effective starter in the bigs.


  217. 232 berigan2electricboogaloo September 6, 2017 at 7:59 pm

    Might even consider moving Ender if the right package were to be returned for him. Not saying I would like to see Ender traded but it is baseball and it is a business, Ender would garner the greatest return. We shall see.

    Gil, I know what you are saying, but….at this point they better keep him…Young, cheap, great defensively, a true leadoff hitter…who would be better than him at this point????

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  218. 233 berigan2electricboogaloo September 6, 2017 at 8:04 pm

    V, you hadn’t said much about your illness, had no idea you were so sick! Glad you are doing much better now! 🙂

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  219. 234 Gil in Mechanicsville September 7, 2017 at 7:50 am

    Okay, the second game was a little more like it, Braves hung on to a 5-0 lead but not before it got dicey. One big inning for the Braves and keeping the Rangers in the park were key.

    Okay CL, batten down the hatches because that bad girl storm looks like she will be coming up the coast.

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  220. 235 Vox O'Reason September 7, 2017 at 12:04 pm

    One final point about Gohara, he will need a third pitch to be an effective starter in the bigs.

    He’s got it… a pretty decent changeup. Can’t say why he didn’t use it more. His turning point was the big HR in the 1st inning by Elvis Andrus. He was dominating with his lively fastball until Andrus blasted it. Then he became tentative. He should have stuck with it. That’s a lesson the rookie will learn.


  221. 236 Vox O'Reason September 7, 2017 at 12:11 pm

    V, you hadn’t said much about your illness, had no idea you were so sick! Glad you are doing much better now!

    Yeah… not much to say. Had a relatively routine outpatient procedure develop a complication, which was very much not routine and necessitated a trip to the ER. Then after recuperating from that incident had a second and related routine procedure. That one went as planned. Altogether it cost me 6 days in the hospital – 5 without eating. I lost 14 lbs. in 6 days, which was not necessarily a bad thing although I would not recommend the method.

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  222. 237 Vox O'Reason September 7, 2017 at 12:22 pm

    Okay, the second game was a little more like it, Braves hung on to a 5-0 lead but not before it got dicey. One big inning for the Braves and keeping the Rangers in the park were key.

    That Rangers lineup is as potent as I’ve seen. Maybe not as balanced as the Astros or the Dodgers, but each one of those guys top to bottom can change the game with one swing. I think the Braves handled the 2nd game about as well as you can, knowing the Rangers were gonna get their swings.

    Pretty nice work by the bullpen, even AJ Minter who gave up a run scoring triple. Other than that hit, he was pretty lights out. Sam Freeman might be the most valuable guy we’ve used out of the ‘pen all season.

    IMO, the bullpen is not as much a concern going into 2018 as some may say. Viz, JoRam, Freeman, and Minter have all been solid. Akeel Morris was just as solid when he was up, and he’ll be here next season. I’m a fan of Dan Winkler, believing he’ll be just as effective as those I’ve already mentioned. That’s 6 arms right there without even considering what Rex Brothers might contribute, or what improvements young guys like Luke Jackson, Jason Hursh or Ian Krol might make. Notice I didn’t even mention Jim Johnson, who is still under contract for 1 more season.


  223. 238 Gil in Mechanicsville September 7, 2017 at 12:37 pm

    5 without eating. I lost 14 lbs. in 6 days, which was not necessarily a bad thing although I would not recommend the method

    Also known as the Auschwitz diet….

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  224. 239 Gil in Mechanicsville September 7, 2017 at 12:52 pm

    Notice I didn’t even mention Jim Johnson

    Well, you have to have a sacrificial lamb to throw to the wolves when your started has given up 6 runs in 3 innings… I think JJ just sufferers from old age. He is usually pretty stout in the first third of a season. He just runs out of gas by the AS break and puts along on fumes in the last couple of months.


  225. 240 Gil in Mechanicsville September 7, 2017 at 12:54 pm

    Looks like we are going to dodge the bullet CL, of course the folks in the Ohio river valley are going to get swamped. Now, watch Jose jump up and bite us in the butt….


  226. 241 Vox O'Reason September 7, 2017 at 5:00 pm

    Classy move by the Braves.

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  227. 242 Vox O'Reason September 7, 2017 at 5:01 pm

    Related to above.

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  228. 243 Gil in Mechanicsville September 7, 2017 at 6:05 pm

    Look out Vee, looks like Atlanta is going to get more rain than we are, storm projected to turn west thru GA.

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  229. 244 berigan2electricboogaloo September 7, 2017 at 8:43 pm

    Notice I didn’t even mention Jim Johnson

    Well, you have to have a sacrificial lamb to throw to the wolves when your started has given up 6 runs in 3 innings… I think JJ just sufferers from old age. He is usually pretty stout in the first third of a season. He just runs out of gas by the AS break and puts along on fumes in the last couple of months.

    well, he’s only 34….I remember Lee Smith , Dennis Eckersly, being pretty good in their late 30’s (Eck into his 40s I think)

    JJ has lost his power sinker several times during his career, which seems odd…he still hits 95 no problems, but since EVERY reliever that doesn’t pitch sidearm hits 95…it’s not good enough…


  230. 245 Vox O'Reason September 7, 2017 at 11:10 pm

    Good win for the home team. The rooks continue to produce when it counts. The future looks bright indeed.

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  231. 246 Gil in Mechanicsville September 8, 2017 at 8:35 am

    I was happy to see Ozzie get that run tying knock in the 9th last night as it was his error which opened the door for the Fish to go ahead. A rough first inning for Newk and then some solid effort. All in all, a fun game for a Braves fan.

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  232. 247 Vox O'Reason September 8, 2017 at 10:52 am

    Bowman notes this morning:

    Markakis rolled his right wrist making a diving catch Wednesday and was limited to pinch running duties last night. X-rays were negative.

    Markakis will be available for the remainder of this series. Could return to full-time duties within the next few days.

    Tyler Flowers expects to return from the disabled list today.

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  233. 248 Vox O'Reason September 8, 2017 at 2:31 pm


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  235. 250 Carolina Lady September 8, 2017 at 4:38 pm

    Well, Irma has shunned us here in southeastern NC. That’s okay; didn’t like her anyway. Side benefit is that the yard is freshly cut (to make cleanup easier and safer), all the laundry is done (in case power was out for weeks as it was for Fran), and the pantry is fully stocked (in case stores were out and trucks couldn’t get in).

    VOR, Berigan, y’all batten down your hatches! Prayers for all of you in her evil path!

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  236. 251 Gil in Mechanicsville September 8, 2017 at 7:01 pm

    At the bay for the weekend now that Irma has decided to beat up on Vee and Florida Braves Girl. Maybe Ber too. Fill your bath tub with water ahead of the storm so you can flush your toilet… Very important when the power goes out.

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  237. 252 berigan2electricboogaloo September 10, 2017 at 8:57 am

    Yeah, I am south of the ATL, so expect a fair bit of wind and rain…worried about the path it will take…if it goes more north, I suspect the predicted 4+ inches of rain total will go much higher. In our subdivision we are up pretty high fortunately . Rain isn’t what scares me, its the sustained high winds that do. We have those horrible skinny pine trees mainly between our neighbors house and ours. pray they don’t fall on our house, or our neighbors house…
    that and perhaps being without power for an extended time period…no generator….


  238. 253 Gil in Mechanicsville September 10, 2017 at 10:47 am

    Ber, live pine trees are pretty resilient, dead ones, not so much. Like I said, fill your bath tube with water so you will have a good supply for flushing the toilets. It’s the thunderstorms that will wreak the most havoc. Just make sure you have reading material and flashlight batteries and stuff that does not require heating, of course, now is when people wish they had a gas stove…

    About last night.. great win but Matt Kemp made one of the most incredible catches of the season. Just wow…. Maybe not so spectacular for someone 50 pounds lighter and 10 years younger but Osuna’s line drive had gapper written all over it.

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  239. 255 Gil in Mechanicsville September 10, 2017 at 7:17 pm

    Wasn’t that something CL? I would not have bet a plug nickle on the Braves’ chances on coming back and winning that game.

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  240. 256 berigan2electricboogaloo September 11, 2017 at 8:01 am

    I flipped back and forth from the weather to the game(well, and we did watch a Banacek as well 😉 ) and the only reason I bothered was because of how bad Miami’s bullpen is…its like the Nats was a few months ago…
    I really like Lane Adams…if he was 24-25, I would think the team would give him a change to win the job come springtime…I think some team will luck out during the off season (think there are going to be too many folks to protect on the 40 to keep him) and he may get a chance to start…somewheres…


  241. 257 Gil in Mechanicsville September 11, 2017 at 8:47 am

    Here is the thing Ber, in the age before PEDs, 26-30 was considered a ball player’s prime. LA Swiftness is 27. Hie knocked around a lot of years being a 4A player. I too hope he gets a shot but with Acuna knocking the door down for playing time in ATL, I expect he will sign somewhere else. Good luck to him. For sure, he has not embarrassed himself.

    I am also glad to see the gNats clinch yesterday, I would hate to watch them prance around after clinching in front of the Braves. Now, lets sweep them 3 games while they pat themselves on the back.


  242. 258 Vox O'Reason September 11, 2017 at 8:53 am

    think there are going to be too many folks to protect on the 40 to keep him

    I respectfully disagree. He’s actually exactly the type of bench presence we have not had in a few years, and the kind of guy any manager wants on his bench. He can fly like the wind, can field with the best of them, and can hit with power. What’s not to want? I actually believe he’s in the tram’s plans.

    The guy that I think might go unprotected and get exposed to Rule 5 that seemed almost unthinkable this time last year is Dustin Peterson. He followed a magical 2016 with an injury (and reality) riddled season, and got smoked by Ronald Acuna on the OF priority list. And with Lane Adams’ emergence, DPetey is suddenly “yesterday’s news”.


  243. 259 Gil in Mechanicsville September 11, 2017 at 1:09 pm

    Actually, I like the rule 5 (aka) The Yankee Rule because it gives some minor league guys an opportunity to play in the bigs rather than being buried in the sticks until they are way past their prime.

    Not every rule 5 guy makes it but enough do to make it interesting.


  244. 260 berigan2electricboogaloo September 11, 2017 at 3:59 pm

    I repost this every year…Jack Buck was my Skip Carey as a kid.
    Here he is seriously ill, died 9 months later.
    A man who deeply loved his country…..

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  245. 261 berigan2electricboogaloo September 11, 2017 at 4:03 pm

    this started up with autoplay….Mr Buck spent the last 7 months of his life in the hospital , some life lessons he passed onto Joe….

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  246. 262 Vox O'Reason September 12, 2017 at 11:37 am

    Finally have internet again. Power is out all around me. Many of my friends are looking at 2-3 more days without power because the damage is so widespread here. We are blessed that we didn’t lose ours. Blessed indeed.

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  247. 263 Gil in Mechanicsville September 12, 2017 at 12:14 pm

    Good for you Vee, glad you did not suffer too greatly, any word on Ber?

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  248. 264 Vox O'Reason September 12, 2017 at 12:22 pm

    DO’B notes on the 2018 Braves schedule, which was just released:

    Braves open 2018 season at home w/ 3-game series vs. Phillies March 29-31, off day April 1 before 3-game home series vs. Nats April 2-4

    … then 3-city, 9-game road trip April 6-15 at Colorado, Washington and Cubs


  249. 265 Vox O'Reason September 12, 2017 at 12:25 pm

    any word on Ber?

    Haven’t heard today. Yesterday on Facebook he posted that they lost power a couple of times for short periods, but sounded like they kept it for the most part.


  250. 266 Gil in Mechanicsville September 12, 2017 at 12:38 pm

    I thought the Braves signing an 18 YO Korean shortstop was a bit of outside the box thinking. He looks pretty slightly built but who knows what he will look like in 5 years. I’m thinking he will get converted to center field. Shortstop is normally the position every player who is the best athlete on the team plays.

    In other news, the MLB guys were talking about how poorly the Giants outfield performed this season. I think San Fran would be a good spot for Nick to finish out his career. Not that I am anxious to see him go, just facing the reality of finding a spot for Acuna. I don’t know that playing part time in the bigs is the best use of Ronald’s talent. Of course Kemp’s gimpy hamstrings means you need depth in the outfield position in Atlanta.

    I mention the Giants because they do not really have anyone in their minor league system knocking down the doors to play in their outfield. D Peterson might also be a good trade chip for the Braves. He looks blocked from advancing in the Braves organization with the sudden arrival of Acuna.

    No matter how good Atlanta’s offense is, it is evident they need starting pitching to complete their rebuild.

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  251. 267 Vox O'Reason September 12, 2017 at 3:17 pm

    I’ve read a couple of different Braves sites that are beginning to project what the team might look like coming out of spring training next year. It’s very interesting to me in few ways… maybe because they are very separate entities but very alike in their opinions. Makes me go “hmmmm” on a few fronts.

    For instance, Coppy is much publicized in his pursuit for a “top of the rotation controllable arm”. He has in as much has stated he’s acquiring someone before 2018. Yet each of the sites I perused projected their 2018 rotations with Julio as the old vet and a host of youngsters behind him, in varying forms. But mostly it’s Julio, Folty, Newk, Fried and Gohara. That’s very young and very left-handed. It also leaves Lucas Sims out… but relegates him to the bullpen.

    As for the bullpens, again, no newcomers here, but very young… and with NO Jim Johnson nor Matt Wisler. AJ Minter seems to be the consensus 7th inning guy with Jose Ramirez following in the 8th and Viz closing. That’s actually pretty easy to project, and seems to be in the same mold as EOF/Venters/Kimbrel. Lucas Sims as the long reliever/spot starter? Seems plausible to me. Seems a favorite with prognosticators, too.

    Here’s another place that is consistent in these projections… Matt Kemp is a goner. All seem to believe that Kemp will be traded and that Nick will play out his contract in our RF, with Ronald Acuna taking over in LF. IMO, if the Braves were to trade Kemp and keep Markakis, Nick should move to LF and Acuna should play in RF. Maybe that’s splitting hairs, but that’s how I see it.

    The other point that seems consistent, and that I agree with is Rio at 3B and Camargo as the utility guy. One site sees it as a loose platoon at 3B with Camargo getting additional starts here and there to rest the other IF spots. I could see that myself.

    So note that in these projections no one seems to think the Braves are going to make any major acquisitions. And this is where I have to disagree.

    While I can see the argument for all these scenarios, the one thing that I think will happen is a major acquisition. Why?? Well, simply put, because we can. The money will be there to do so in FA, and the resources are there to make a trade if that’s the route chosen. Plus, this team is expected to make a big step forward in 2018. Can they do that with just the further experience and maturity of the young core they currently have? Uh… no. A small step, yes. But not a big step. That’s going to require a big step from the front office.

    For my money, they’ll bring in that arm that Coppy wants so badly. And I believe that’s the right move. It’ll cost us a prized youngster – Newk, Fried, Gohara (most likely) – but will gain us the stabilizer this rotation so desperately needs.


  252. 269 Vox O'Reason September 13, 2017 at 7:34 am

    Last night was kinda fun. 🙂

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  253. 270 berigan2electricboogaloo September 13, 2017 at 7:56 am

    Yes, yes it was! 🙂 we played trivia at a restaurant we don’t normally play at, easy to see tv was actually on a braves game (and not soccer or some other worthless sport 😉 )

    even while playing I was able to see most of the scoring…
    amazing to see Ozzie with power from the left side, cuz I see him hit right handed, and I can see why some people think/thought he should give up hitting left handed…

    Good Julio made a rare appearance too. Seems be at the same time as his good fastball as well…


  254. 271 berigan2electricboogaloo September 13, 2017 at 8:18 am

    Matt Kemp is a goner. All seem to believe that Kemp will be traded and that Nick will play out his contract in our RF, with Ronald Acuna taking over in LF. IMO, if the Braves were to trade Kemp and keep Markakis, Nick should move to LF and Acuna should play in RF. Maybe that’s splitting hairs, but that’s how I see it.

    V, that makes sense moving Nick M to left…
    I agree on Kemp as well…but the team is going to have to eat a lot of moola, right? So odd…he could be a monster as a DH IMHO…but, I recall Snit saying early on this season that Kemp did NOT want to be the DH. Then his hammies were so bad he had to later on…but, teams don’t “value” most DH’s
    so…we will likely have to eat moola, and get little back in return…and like it :/


  255. 272 Gil in Mechanicsville September 13, 2017 at 9:38 am

    It was fun, wasn’t it? The gNats announcers were opining on who in the east posed the biggest threat to the gNats supremacy, They felt that no matter who the Braves added as position layers, their fortune was still tied to their pitching and who bolstered their staff, I can’t say I disagree, I flipped the dial over after the Braves game to the Philly/Marlins contest. Well, part of it. Saw the Phillies just miss winning in the ninth, tying it in the 10th, the Phils finally put away the Fish in the 15th I think. 9-8… Marlins have some nice position players but no relievers. Phillies gave up runs by their starters. Yep, pitching is important.


  256. 273 berigan2electricboogaloo September 13, 2017 at 10:17 am

    Those Marlins thought it smart to trade away what few guys there were that were good from their bullpen….thing is, unless you get someone that is a can’t miss guy, you really bring down a team (and fanbase) when you don’t have a bullpen(as we all recall from last year)

    How about the phils Rhys Hoskins? 16 Hr’s 34 RBI’s in 32 games…once again, the phils leave a prospect down in the minors til he’s 24. So odd…

    And how about Cleveland Indians? 20 wins!

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  257. 275 Gil in Mechanicsville September 13, 2017 at 7:26 pm

    Now 21…

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  258. 276 Gil in Mechanicsville September 13, 2017 at 9:24 pm

    Really nice performance by Gohara tonight. 71 pitches, 6 innings, 6 hits, 6Ks, 2 runs, 1 earned and 0 walks. 52 pitches for strikes. He sure looked like a different guy from his outing.

    With that, Matt Kemp just hit a big fly with the bases loaded giving the Brazilian rookie an excellent chance to even his record at 1-1

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  259. 277 Vox O'Reason September 14, 2017 at 7:26 am

    I was able to turn over and watch 1 inning, but it was a good’un. Lane, Jace, Ozzie, Dans, Freddie and Matt. Instant offense.

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  260. 278 Vox O'Reason September 14, 2017 at 7:31 am

    I didn’t see him pitch in the game, but I’ve seem highlights. He sure looks like a major league pitcher. When he throws strikes, with his stuff, he can be dominating.

    In my opinion, last night’s outing might have moved Gohara to the “untouchables” list. And it should. Dominating lefties are awfully hard to come by. The future is bright!

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  261. 279 Vox O'Reason September 14, 2017 at 7:43 am

    Just use your sanctified imagination for a minute and imagine with me that Coppy chases his dream and makes a trade for Chris Archer over the offseason. He has to include Sean Newcomb and Max Fried in the deal.

    But we open the 2018 season with a rotation of Archer, Julio, Folty, Gohara and RA Dickey for the first half, then Mike Soroka in the second half.

    That’s not so bad, is it?

    Then you still have Kolby Allard, Kyle Wright, and Joey Wentz following closely behind.

    The pitching just blows me away. Do you realize that Gwinnett could have Max Fried, Kolby Allard, Mike Soroka, Touki Toussant and Patrick Weigel (when healthy) all in their rotation next season? And AA will start with Kyle Wright and Joey Wentz among others. That’s insane.


  262. 280 Gil in Mechanicsville September 14, 2017 at 7:51 am

    While Gohara was impressive last night, I think equally so was the performance of Winkler, Minter and Sims to close it out. All three looked sharp.

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  263. 281 Gil in Mechanicsville September 14, 2017 at 7:55 am

    Just remember the formula for young pitchers in the majors, one good performance out of three appearances. I am hoping Folty backs up his last appearance with another good one.

    To be sure, the gNats are a much less scary team without Harper in their line up.

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  264. 282 Gil in Mechanicsville September 14, 2017 at 8:02 am

    Gohara seem to settle down after he realized he could pitch to contact and the outfield was big enough to allow for the ball to be caught. To be sure, Matt Kemp was backed up against the wall a couple of time last night. Lane Adams played a decent center field last night, there was one ball hit I thought he should have caught but maybe not, it is just I have seen Ender make that play a lot this season. I guess it was like watching all those balls get past the shortstop after seeing Simba make those plays. All part of the eye test.

    By the way, the gNats announcers were impressed by Albies… as they should be, he is impressing me…

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  265. 283 Vox O'Reason September 14, 2017 at 9:18 am

    By the way, the gNats announcers were impressed by Albies… as they should be, he is impressing me…

    For sure.


  266. 285 Vox O'Reason September 14, 2017 at 11:13 am

    Remember the name Cristian Pache. He’s the next great position prospect in the system. 5 tool guy.

    Here is an excerpt from the MLB Pipeline report on Pache:

    A step behind Ronald Acuna, there’s a fun ongoing debate within the organization over who will end up being the center fielder in Atlanta down the road. The Braves don’t have to decide on that yet and can instead enjoy watching Pache follow in Acuna’s footsteps. He has all the tools a team wants to see in center field. He has plus-plus speed and combines that with very good breaks and routes, especially given his age. His speed should help him on the basepaths as well. An aggressive hitter, Pache makes consistent contact and rarely strikes out. Acuna wins the power contest, but Pache can hit the gaps with hard line drives.

    Just 18 years old, 6’2″, 185 lbs., so there’s still some filing out to do on his strong frame that will allow the power to further develop as he progresses up the ladder.

    He finished 2017 in low-A Rome, and there’s no reason to believe the organization will push him too quickly given that Ender is under team control for 5 more years. So Pache will likely take the 1 level per year route, marking him for Atlanta in late 2020 or early 2021.


  267. 286 Gil in Mechanicsville September 14, 2017 at 11:48 am

    Hey CL, in case you would like to watch tonight’s Braves game, it is the free game of the day on MLB TV, here is a link


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  268. 287 Gil in Mechanicsville September 14, 2017 at 11:56 am

    Yes Vee, Pache is a name I have heard before. Always exciting to have young players in the pipeline. Not all turn out to be superstars but some do. Why else would you have hundreds of prospects in your system?

    So many pitfalls await these guys. Injuries, immaturity, tired of playing ball. Some make it, most don’t.

    A guy who I really liked who played with Ender was Parra who is playing for the Brewers I think. He just beats you. I think he may have been the outfielder the Braves wanted when they got Ender.


  269. 288 berigan2electricboogaloo September 14, 2017 at 1:33 pm

    Gil, Parra is playing for the Rockies now….was making some amazing catches the other night that were on quick pitch…he was no doubt getting some flak from the Diamondbacks bullpen, and after one great catch, was chatting back with them 😉


  270. 289 berigan2electricboogaloo September 14, 2017 at 1:48 pm

    In my opinion, last night’s outing might have moved Gohara to the “untouchables” list. And it should. Dominating lefties are awfully hard to come by. The future is bright!

    V, I agree!!! I missed his other outing…. he looks like the 2nd coming of CC. Sabathia…..
    I have to remember, Sean Newcomb looked sooo good at first, like he was already Jon Lester…then…he has been just so-so since (in spite of ok era, seemed like he dodged a lot of bullets, Ender has probably kept his era down a run. Gil mentioned how kids have 1 good start every 3-4 starts…(I think, good grief, scrolled up, can’t find the quote) I just haven’t seen good starts…just pull him after 5 innings and giving up 2-3 runs…but…he may be Lester. Thats why he needs to keep starting, which he is of course doing.
    Master that 3rd pitch. Do you trade him for Archer? (by the way, Archer looked hurt the other day, forearm, but then made his last start) Archer looks skinnier than Julio…I don’t know that I’d bet the farm so to speak on him being the 200 + inning ace for years to come….
    got distracted in mid post, can ya tell? 😛
    Anyway, Fried, Sims, Newcomb…have had their moments. but, Gohara looks like he may be the best of the bunch….


  271. 290 Gil in Mechanicsville September 14, 2017 at 2:28 pm

    Some points to remember in Gohara start last night. He never really got into trouble other than the bad throw to first (he later made several without incident so no John Lester syndrome) allowing Turned to end up on third with no outs. To be honest, Turner scoring became a foregone conclusion after that.

    Luiz just seemed steady all evening so no deer in the head lights moment. I think some of the young Braves pitchers have developed a perchance for over think the situation and end up in trouble because of it. Exhibit A is Wisler… Mike Minor was another guy who thought too much.

    I think young hitters are prone to slumps because they forget they belong in the Show. If you have doubts you belong, others will too…

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  272. 291 Carolina Lady September 14, 2017 at 6:55 pm

    Gil, would you believe they have me blacked out??? >:-(


  273. 292 Gil in Mechanicsville September 14, 2017 at 6:57 pm


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  274. 293 Gil in Mechanicsville September 15, 2017 at 7:39 am

    Well, that was pretty cruddy, the Braves got beat by the Nats spring training travel squad. And why is Matt Wisler still pitching? DO the Braves think he will suddenly figure out how to pitch?


  275. 294 Vox O'Reason September 15, 2017 at 7:56 am

    And why is Matt Wisler still pitching?

    This is the topic of the day, more from a Brian Snitker point of view than from Wisler himself. I don’t think there’s a person on earth that believes Wisler has a chance in Hades of making real contributions to this team in 2018. But many think Snit should be back, although that base is beginning to dwindle. I count myself among the skeptics today.

    This goes back a couple of weeks to Jim Johnson’s last appearance, when he came into a close game and quickly made it NOT close. (Interesting that JJ didn’t even make this road trip with a “sore Achilles”, isn’t it?) Anyway, from what I have read, the FO was pretty upset with Snit that he used JJ in that situation. Ticked to the point that Jim Hart, who had recently given Snit a pseudo-endorsement for 2018, has backtracked his statement dramatically.

    And now there is Wisler, who had given up runs in each of his last 4 appearances, including 4 in his last appearance. He was expected to hold the deficit to just 1? Snit’s official reason for Wisler’s appearance is that Winkler, Minter and Sims had all pitched the night before, and he was not going to use them on back-to-back nights. And he was saving Sam Freeman for the 7th inning. “Wisler was all we had,” Snit said in the post-game news conference. We have an expanded roster and a bevy of young arms, but Wisler was all he had for the 6th inning.

    DO’B asked someone in the FO about that back-to-back nights policy and was quickly told straight up “that decision came from Brian Snitker and Chuck Hernandez,” and not from them.

    I’m afraid Snitker may be sealing his own fate in these last few weeks. And with decisions like those mentioned above, I’m not necessarily leaving his camp yet, but I am packing my gear.


  276. 295 Vox O'Reason September 15, 2017 at 7:59 am

    Oh, and Wisler doesn’t get a pass for just being chosen. In my book, if we need a 40-man roster spot, Wisler should be DFA’d. He’s the least likely 40-man placeholder to make future contributions.

    And I have nothing against the guy personally. In fact, he may be a classic “change of scenery” guy. But he’s done in Atlanta.


  277. 296 berigan2electricboogaloo September 15, 2017 at 9:54 am

    interesting, just looked, AJ Minter has not pitched back to back games once this season!

    Winkler hasn’t either, which frankly makes sense with his arm freak injury.
    and of course Sims has only been a reliever for a week or so, so….no issues with that either…this clearly is a policy that has been in place for awhile, but no one noticed. but yeah, there had to be someone else that could pitch there….
    Like the idea of not doing the Bobby Cox/Freddi Gonzalez thing of ruining reliever arms, just because they are, you know….very good.

    Thing is…ok, lets call this a mistake. Bullpen has been used a ton because we have had Julio T under-perform most of the season. Folty has been terrible for about 2 months (A cut finger was not his fault of course)
    AND the F.O. should just shut up if they are bothered by J.J. pitching in a close game, like we are in the playoff hunt or something. THEY FORCED Snit to keep running out Big Sexy when he was the WORST starter in all of baseball for months because they thought, oh, he will somehow have 2-3 good starts in a row and he will get us some low to mid level pitching prospect!!! They were wrong, and retarded the development of the guys in the minors…Sims is 23, Newcomb 24, they should have been here, and sooner…

    so, if the F.O. are going to fire Snit over some iffy bullpen decisions in Sept, on a team playing out the string, and risk P.O. ing FF who has strongly endorsed him being the manager next year…
    knock yourselves out…
    I am sure Larry Bowa or Bobby Valentine (or some younger version of them) would straighten everything out…


  278. 297 berigan2electricboogaloo September 15, 2017 at 10:06 am

    Yeah v, Wisler needs to go….maybe he will be the next Corey Kluber…he was traded by the Padres to Clevland, didn’t come up til he was 25, at the age of 26, made 12 starts and was 2-5 with a 5.14 ERA . Now, at 31 he’s the best right hander in the AL

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  279. 298 Gil in Mechanicsville September 15, 2017 at 10:21 am

    Since Ron Washington was hired, the Braves front office has just been looking for an excuse to jettison Snitker. They would have done it last season but the Braves played way above themselves and it would have looked petty to fire Snit after that.

    The Braves have as a team have since reverted back to normal expectations. Unless the Braves win 2/3 rds of their remaining games, Snit will become a memory in the mold of Russ Nixon.

    As for not pitching in back to back games, it’s September… add more guys to the roster, there is room on the bus for them. I am not sure it is an appearance problem as much as it might be a conditioning problem. Hire Leo Mazzonie as a special assistant to get back to conditioning pitchers.

    Is Bobby Cox still mad at him for going to Baltimore?

    So, I guess my question is, why is Matt Wisler still with the team? It is not like he is adding value to his resume’ now.

    Anyone remember why Bo Porter was fired by Houston? Because he wanted to win and played players he thought gave the team the best chance to win on a given night as opposed to playing the rookies the front office wanted to gain experience.

    Some coaches/managers build great teams, some get the most out of the players other have assembled. You see that a lot more than you think. No different in knowing when to spend money on free agents during a team’s rebuild. Mostly it is done to put the last pieces in place for a finished product.

    Kind of like the Indians adding Jay Bruce….


  280. 299 Gil in Mechanicsville September 15, 2017 at 10:26 am

    Yes, but we all saw Kluber go from being unhitable in the first game of the WS last October to being very regular in game seven. Indians needed another starter… Duh, I don’t even know the purpose of this post other than it just comes to mind.

    By the way, Cleveland was rocking last night, reminded me of the movie…. fans didn’t want to leave after the game. It was like a play-off game.

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  281. 300 Vox O'Reason September 15, 2017 at 10:58 am



  282. 301 Vox O'Reason September 15, 2017 at 11:12 am

    if the F.O. are going to fire Snit over some iffy bullpen decisions in Sept, on a team playing out the string

    But they are iffy bullpen decisions. And Snit has made a few of them.

    I think he has done a pretty good job of making out the everyday lineups. I know the players love him. But the reality is that, as Gil alluded to, managers have different strengths. And Snit’s strength is in developing youngsters. It’s not necessarily winning close games. And while it might not be a big deal to “a team playing out the string” in 2017, it will be a big deal to a team looking to contend in 2018.

    So is Snit the guy to make that transition with the team from rebuilding to contending? Is he the guy that will take them to the proverbial “next level”? I don’t know. But I don’t like some of the in-game decisions I’ve seen of late. And that goes to more than just the bullpen.

    Case in point: Nick Markakis misses a couple of games with a mild wrist injury. Who gets the first start in RF? Jace Peterson. What? Jace is batting .197 for the season. Lane Adams has the 13th highest SLG% (.634) in baseball since the All-Star break, higher than Paul Goldschmidt even… and is actually an OF. But Jace got the start. I suppose he wanted to get the kid a start. That was nice.

    At some point we have to stop developing players and start winning games. I’m not 100% sure Snit is the guy to do that.

    And don’t even get me started on Chuck Hernandez…


  283. 302 Vox O'Reason September 15, 2017 at 11:14 am

    Bowman on Wisler’s move to the bullpen. Echoes our thoughts.


  284. 303 Vox O'Reason September 15, 2017 at 12:01 pm

    By the way… both Akeel Morris and Jason Hursh are already on the 40-man roster. Neither is on the expanded active roster. Why? Sure could have used them last night.


  285. 304 Vox O'Reason September 15, 2017 at 12:16 pm

    If the excuse is that you don’t want too many pitchers crowding up the ‘pen, then I say leave JJ on the shelf through the end of the season and create a lat strain for Wisler. Problem solved.

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  286. 305 Gil in Mechanicsville September 15, 2017 at 2:35 pm

    Out of 30 major league managers, I’ll bet at least 15 will be on the proverbial hot seat at the end of the season.

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  287. 306 Vox O'Reason September 15, 2017 at 4:44 pm

    Jeff Schafer at Tomahawk Take brings some interesting facts in his piece today:

    Of the starting pitchers who have started at least ten games for the Braves, none of these pitchers have a winning record. The best is R.A. Dickey and Julio Teheran, each with a .500 record and isn’t saying a whole lot.

    Also, the Braves do not have a starting pitcher who has started at least ten games in 2017 with an ERA under 4.00. The best, R.A. Dickey again with a 4.28 ERA.

    Wow. That speaks volumes.


  288. 307 Vox O'Reason September 15, 2017 at 4:45 pm

    At what point do we start really looking at Chuck Hernandez?


  289. 308 Gil in Mechanicsville September 15, 2017 at 5:33 pm

    A new broom sweeps clean Vee.


  290. 309 Vox O'Reason September 16, 2017 at 3:43 pm

    So Matt Kemp is out again with hamstring issues… and Snit’s answer in LF is Jace Peterson. Seriously?

    My answer: sit Kemp next to Jim Johnson on the bench and give Ronald Acuna 3 weeks of major league experience. And if the 40 man roster spot is the obstacle, send Matt Wisler packing. I’m getting tired of messing around here.

    Jace flippin’ Peterson…


  291. 310 berigan2electricboogaloo September 17, 2017 at 4:08 am

    It’s funny, Bobby and F.G. would seemingly only run the same 7-8 guys out there, and leave guys to rot/rust on the bench….Snit it trying to make sure EVERYONE is playing all the time… except Matt Adams.
    Is Jace all of the sudden average in left? Every game I saw earlier on, he was terrible…might as well put someone terrible out there (who probably still doesn’t have a dozen games out there in his career) like Matt, or the other Adams tearing the cover off the ball right now…
    of course Nick M. HAS to be out there every game…what with 3 RBI’s for the month of September, and a .239 BA, you can see how irreplaceable that kind of performance is….
    Matt Adams has 15 AB’s for Sept, and has 1 HR and 4 RBI’s oh well, I know, he’s a goner too…probably traded/released/whathaveyou, then the NL will adopt the DH the day after that happens. :p

    Now, something I sorta releated to Matt Adams…Freddie Freeman…
    since coming back the 4th of July, how many games has his missed? None…not a one.

    from Aug 22nd

    “It is obviously not 100 percent, but it’s good enough in my eyes,” the big first baseman said Tuesday, revealing for the first time that he’s struggled physically with the wrist since returning from the DL a few weeks sooner than initially expected. “It’s probably about 80-85 percent. Once I started to swinging again it hasn’t gotten any better.”

    And it almost certainly won’t until he has time to rest it for an extended period this winter, much like the right-wrist injury that caused him to miss 44 games in 2015 and wasn’t right again until after an extended rest period after that season.

    “I talked to Dr. (Gary) Lourie the other day, and he says it’s going to be a whole offseason (before it’s back to normal),” Freeman said. “I have lost a lot of strength. I’ve hit some balls that I thought were home runs, and they’re not going.”

    I recall him saying something to the effect of swinging a wet noodle or something..but can’t find that right now…

    My point is…yeah, he’s the best hitter on the team right now…but…this team is going nowhere….what would it have hurt to you know, give him the day off before a day off , so to speak? say, 2-3 times since the break? Oh now, he has to play every day or …or, we won’t be able to beat the Marlins in the division.

    I really hope he does completely heal, and is fine in spring training. Because coming back too soon, and not resting at all during the season cuz the player says he’s fine…sounds like something a Mutts player would do, and screw himself up . At least FF gets MRI’s I assume….


  292. 311 Gil in Mechanicsville September 17, 2017 at 9:52 am

    Ber, Matt Adams has been hampered by a balky hamstring. I didn’t know those were contagious but maybe so. I really don’t see the need to rush Matt Kemp back, not like they need the roster space in September but I am enjoying watching Lane Adams get a chance to play more, it does help the defense.

    RA Dicky looked very hittable last night and was in fact hit a lot, the term “shelled” comes to mind actually. I get the impression that cool weather has an adverse affect upon his knuckleball.

    Didn’t Newk look good Friday night? At least until he stopped attacking the zone in his final inning. Winkler sure pulled his fat out of the fire.

    Yes Vee, I too would like to have an opportunity to see Acuna play but I suspect it will happen next spring and not this year. The curse of having a good minor league system is you lose guys you did not want to give up on. Some players are just late bloomers.

    You wonder how it will affect how the Braves will approach players like Suzuki who will drop off the roster in October.

    And the Mets… Who are these guys??? A slew of new faces on that team.

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  293. 312 Gil in Mechanicsville September 18, 2017 at 9:08 am

    A very disappointing 9th inning for the Braves…

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  294. 313 berigan2electricboogaloo September 18, 2017 at 5:24 pm

    Gil, didn’t know that about Matt Adams…
    yes, yes it was a disappointing 9th…especially since… I was at the game! 🙂

    my friend David hadn’t been to the new stadium either, so when he said he had two tickets, I was glad to tag along.
    see if this link will work to show you guys the pics I took. As I said there, I really liked the Ted, nothing was wrong with it (the neighborhood ok, not so great, but a great park for baseball) but the new place really is nice, of course a ton of restaurants of course… but hope you call get a chance to go there at some point…. parking is a you know an issue, so we took uber from the Mt Paran church fairly nearby which is a good idea, you pay about the same as parking anyways… ($18 we heard, and then you walk a mile)

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  295. 314 Vox O'Reason September 19, 2017 at 7:55 am

    There is an interesting discussion on MLBTR on whether the Braves should pick up RAD’s 2018 option. Obviously he’s fairly moderately priced, especially for a guy that you can pretty much count on to give you close to 200 IP. (He’s at 175.1 thus far this season with likely 2 more starts to go.) He has averaged exactly 201 IP per season over his career logging as many as 214 just 2 years ago.

    Obviously he’s going to bring a tremendous amount of veteran leadership and experience. That’s an “intangible” that cannot be accurately measured.

    The discussion of course deviates off into the language of metrics – FIP, BABIP, outperforming, normals, curves – most of which I do not speak, all of which I choose to ignore. As an old guy, I prefer Gil’s eye test. And my eyes tell me that while we are getting what we bargained for in IP, they aren’t necessarily the best of IP. After all, his ERA is over 4. It’s hard to win games when you know you have to score at least 5 every start… especially when the league average of runs scored per game is less than that.

    In a nutshell, their discussion boils down to this… do they want to give up his spot in the rotation to an unproven youngster (Fried, Gohara, Sims, etc.) or roll the dice on another similarly priced veteran on a short term deal. They do mention in passing Coppy’s desire to obtain a controllable top-of-the-line starter. But they seem to gloss over it as if it simply won’t happen. I personally don’t think it’s that easy to dismiss. I’ve already seen Coppy pull a rabbit or two of of his hat.

    So here’s where I land on this…

    Yes, we do have a few young and lively arms that are knocking on the door. The aforementioned Fried, Gohara and Sims immediately come to mind, but Mike Soroka, Kolby Allard and Kyle Wright cannot be completely ignored either. In my opinion, you have to make a little room for the youngsters to move in. By the same token, I really don’t want Julio to be my senior veteran in the rotation.

    So to me it comes down to this: if Coppy can obtain his unicorn starter, then Dickey should move on or retire. If not, we need his leadership. I wonder at what point the team has to make the decision to pick up the option or not? That may be the sticking point. If it comes early in the process, there may not be time to fully explore the other available starters. Thus, it means making the decision without a safety net. (I will research this detail…)

    I suppose that’s why those front office guys get the big bucks, right?


  296. 315 Vox O'Reason September 19, 2017 at 8:11 am

    Nailing down an exact date for 2017 is elusive, but last season the deadline for teams to pick up/decline options on players was 2 days after the World Series. That’s pretty quick.


  297. 316 Vox O'Reason September 19, 2017 at 8:16 am

    There is another thing that must be considered as well. RAD has mentioned the possibility of retirement, even with the team holding an option for one more year. The topic came up a month ago or so, and rather than state that he was on board for one more year, he said it was something he’d have to discuss with his family once the season is over. So I take that as a real possibility. That said, it would have to be awful tough to leave $8,000,000 sitting on the table.


  298. 317 Vox O'Reason September 19, 2017 at 8:19 am

    I imagine that Coppy and RAD will have many discussions between the end of the regular season and the end of the World Series.


  299. 318 Gil in Mechanicsville September 19, 2017 at 10:01 am

    I’m glad you had the opportunity to see a game in person this season, the pics were great, to bad the Braves let you down in the ninth.

    Vee, on RA.. I imagine the Braves have been busy assessing who may be available and the asking price of said pitchers. Most deals take months of prep work, we only hear about them when they are on the 10 yard line.

    I think a lot will depend on the input of the manager for next season. If Snit returns, I’ll bet Dickey will too. If someone else, they may want to go another route. In the big picture of baseball, $8MM is not a lot of money. It might just be all about appearances.

    I think pitching will be the answer to whether or not the Braves contend next season. Young pitchers tend to be hot and cold. They may have the talent and the stuff to be successful but they still have a noticeable lack of maturity to handle adversity. Knowing when to let it roll off their backs and how to pitch instead of throw.

    I am running into a stone wall trying to get an update on Jacob Lindgrem, the strike out artist signed away from the Yankees last fall. He had TJ surgery last August so he should be ready by April. He is on the 60 day but will have to be counted as being on the roster for the rule 5 draft. I know the Braves signed him for a cool $1MM last fall. I cannot imagine the Braves giving up on him but would not be surprised to hear his name bandied about in upcoming trade deals.

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  300. 319 berigan2electricboogaloo September 19, 2017 at 2:17 pm

    V, R.A.D. really has been bad his last 3 starts…6 earned runs, then 5, then 5 more given up. before that, after 8 innings on August 30th, his ERA was 3.91, now? 4.41. Has to leave a bad taste in his mouth, and if his last 2 starts stink…he probably would retire right?
    V, I think you mentioned a month or so when RAD was skipped a start, you said, why does a knuckleballer need time off? be we forget he is different than most of them, throws harder, throws more fastballs too..and he’s 42, and we all know that’s OLD!!!! 😉 but seriously, perhaps he’s tired now? Perhaps his legs are a bit rubbery….Maybe if he came back next year, he needs to skip every 6th, or 8th start?
    Like you said V, that’s why the front office gets paid the big bucks…
    you get tepid on RAD,(short window to decide) he retires, then you just miss on a top arm, then you scramble to get a 4+ era guy for 12-14 Mil, before some truly pitching starved team gets him…


  301. 320 Vox O'Reason September 19, 2017 at 2:51 pm

    you get tepid on RAD,(short window to decide) he retires, then you just miss on a top arm, then you scramble to get a 4+ era guy for 12-14 Mil, before some truly pitching starved team gets him

    And that’s exactly the issue. As Gil said, deals take time to come about. Even FA takes time to land “the” guy, especially when others are courting him just as hard. And I think RAD’s alot closer to retiring than most people want to admit. The simple fact that he brought it up himself a few weeks ago tells me it is a real possibility.

    I don’t want to be shopping in the Bartolo Colon section of PitchMart because I waited too late to get into Saks Pitch Avenue.


  302. 321 Gil in Mechanicsville September 19, 2017 at 7:08 pm

    Hi dollar pitchers are just that, hi dollar….. You either pay over market value for a short term deal or market value for a long term contract. Then you hope you are even in the conversation because no one want to play on a losing team.


  303. 322 Vox O'Reason September 20, 2017 at 8:33 am

    You either pay over market value for a short term deal or market value for a long term contract. Then you hope you are even in the conversation because no one want to play on a losing team.

    Or you trade. In order to make a trade, you have to have the farm system to enable it and the payroll flexibility to fund it. Many teams have one or the other, but not many have both. The Braves have both. It’s why I’m not counting out the possibility that Coppy realizes his long stated goal.


  304. 323 Vox O'Reason September 20, 2017 at 8:43 am

    I thought Gohara looked pretty good last night. Rio’s error at 3B cost him 1 run. Game was certainly within reach of the offense if anyone but Max Scherzer was on the mound. Can’t expect to touch up Uncle Max 2 times in a row, can you?

    Interesting thing about Gohara… He appears to be a 3 pitch starter: fastball, slider, changeup. Last night, his slider was not extremely good, so he had to move his fastball around and rely on changing speeds, and his changeup is his 3rd pitch. But it worked for him. Just shows you how good this kid can really be as he matures and that change get even better. I hope we don’t let him go in a trade. He looks like the real deal to my eyes. Two straight starts vs. the NL East champs that were good enough to win; more than our other starters can say.


  305. 324 Vox O'Reason September 20, 2017 at 9:17 am

    Three things I’d like to see the Braves accomplish this offseason:

    #1: Acquire that frontline starter. The fact that the teams’ starters’ ERA is around 25th in the league is telling. (Same with the bullpen, but it will benefit from the acquisition of a starter as kids like Lucas Sims will make their contributions later in the game. And don’t forget about Dan Winkler and Akeel Morris. That’s 3 very good pitchers to go with AJ Minter, Jose Ramirez and Arodys Vizcaino, who have the potential to completely shut down teams past the 7th inning. Add Sam Freeman into the conversation and you only really have one spot left. This team is set for a major bullpen improvement.)

    #2: Re-sign C Kurt Suzuki. He’s perfect in tandem with Tyler Flowers, who has one more year left on his deal. I try to keep that together for at least one more year. And honestly, David Freitas has not exactly embarrassed himself this month. Too bad all 3 are RH hitters.

    #3: Acquire an established prototypical power hitting 3B. Rio Ruiz is a “nice” player, but he’s not the long term answer. Johan Camargo is best utilizing his versatility in a utility role. And Austin Riley is still 2 years away if he continues on the same trajectory. Mike Moustakas is my choice, but he’s gonna cost a truck load. But it’s exactly the type of commitment to winning that the front office is going to have to show the fans in year 2 at STP. There is also Todd Frazier, who will strike out a lot but also hit for power… and alot of it. Coming off somewhat a down year – .213/.344/.432 – he still has hit 26 HR’s and driven in 74 runs. And he does it from the right side of the plate. Given his age (32), you could sign him for less time and money than Moose. And he’s more of a true bridge to Riley than Moose, who will command more years on his deal (4yrs/$64M maybe?). Eduardo Nunez is another guy that will provide you with steadier on-base production – .312/.340/.458 – but less power with just 12 HR/58 RBI this year. He’s actually alot like Camargo, now that I think about it. My choice is Frazier, who is still a dangerous middle of the order hitter at half the time and dollar commitment as Moose.

    NOTE: I did not mention anything about the OF because that is a given. Coppy will have to find a way to make room for Ronald Acuna. Not sure how he’ll do it, but it’s got to happen and it’s going to happen.

    One thing to ponder when it comes to the position players… as I noted earlier, all our catching options are RH. Both Moose and Frazier are RH. Ronald Acuna is RH. Matt Kemp, the likeliest to remain, is RH. Gotta make sure we keep the lineup as balanced as we can. There aren’t any LH 3B candidates that look very appealing to me, so placing Acuna in Kemp’s LF position would go a long way toward accomplishing that goal. I just don’t see how Coppy will manage that. It’s an awfully large rabbit to pull out of that relatively small hat.


  306. 325 Vox O'Reason September 20, 2017 at 9:28 am

    Here’s an out-of-the-box thought:

    The Phillies need pitching and are rumored to be willing to trade 3B Maikel Franco to make it happen. First, would you trade a young pitcher to acquire a young 3B? Second, would you trade within the division?

    This is NOT a rumor, nor is it likely to be. But I think it’s an interesting topic for discussion…

    So I’ll get the ball rolling… I would consider it depending on the asking price. Obviously I’m not giving them my best prospects, but I would at least consider the possibility, even with the Philles.

    Wait… the Phillies? Never mind. Not happening. What was I thinking? Not just no, but #3!! no.



  307. 326 Gil in Mechanicsville September 20, 2017 at 9:55 am

    It is my opinion that the Braves would benefit more from a good defensive third baseman than a low percentage high home run guy.

    Anyway, my eye test tells me Camargo is a better third baseman than Ruiz. The old adage is you cannot compete for a playoff with more than one rookie in your starting line up. I don’t know if that still holds true or not. Perhaps it really means you can’t get to the WS.

    I thought Gohara looked really good last night. Better than the score indicated. He is still a work in progress, Lots of upside potential. Dan Winkler looked good too. For sure, I had no idea of what was a ball and strike last night, did appear the zone was much bigger for Scherzer than Gohara.


  308. 327 Gil in Mechanicsville September 20, 2017 at 9:56 am

    I think I would pass on Franco, pretty leaky D.


  309. 328 Gil in Mechanicsville September 20, 2017 at 10:00 am

    While Kemp is a force when healthy, it has been a real struggle to keep him that way this season. I don’t know the answer, hamstring issues have always been his bane.


  310. 329 Gil in Mechanicsville September 20, 2017 at 10:02 am

    Ryan Zimmerman has been a real jewel for the gNats this season, he should get some consideration for MVP, won’t happen because of his market…


  311. 330 Vox O'Reason September 20, 2017 at 11:54 am

    I don’t know the answer, hamstring issues have always been his bane.

    Lose 40 lbs.?

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  312. 331 Vox O'Reason September 20, 2017 at 11:56 am


  313. 332 Vox O'Reason September 20, 2017 at 11:58 am

    On the new ST site, the word is that there will be a ton of room, enough even for another team to share the facility. Tigers maybe?


  314. 333 berigan2electricboogaloo September 20, 2017 at 1:35 pm

    Away from my computer so let’s see how well this works I agree gohara while not sharp like the second game showed us how he can pitch even with not his best. up I don’t think he walked anyone which is extremely impressive at his age also they interviewed him after the game did you see that? Speaks English very well pretty articulate that worries me a little about Ronald when he was interviewed during the game he kind of had a standoffish look on his face and he had a translator I hope he’s not a super Talent that has an outsized ego or something that keeps him from being the best you can be


  315. 334 Vox O'Reason September 20, 2017 at 3:09 pm

    IMO, I think Ronald is just a kid being a kid. I haven’t seen or read anything that would lead me to believe otherwise.


  316. 335 Vox O'Reason September 20, 2017 at 3:32 pm

    2nite’s lineup vs. the Nats at ATP:

    Ozzie, 2B
    Johan, 3B
    Freddie, 1B
    Nick, RF
    Zuk, C
    Adonis Garcia, LF (huh?)
    Lane, CF
    Dans, SS
    Lucas Sims, RHP


  317. 336 Vox O'Reason September 20, 2017 at 3:35 pm

    2nite’s lineup vs. the Nats at STP

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  318. 338 Gil in Mechanicsville September 20, 2017 at 4:51 pm

    I don’t know Ber, I think Kemp had hamstring problems even when he was pretty young and slim and trim…

    I guess Garcia was the only right hander available for outfield duty.

    You know how it is in September when you are having to operate with a short bench….

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  319. 339 Gil in Mechanicsville September 20, 2017 at 6:45 pm

    Here is a link to an opine by the AJC’s Mark Bradley, I do not always agree with all his examples but the general over all gist is pretty spot on. I expect an announcement will happen pretty soon after the end of the season.



  320. 340 Gil in Mechanicsville September 20, 2017 at 9:47 pm

    8th inning and the Braves pen is walking the park to a loss. A shame for Sims who pitched great. I am falling out of love with Ramerez and Viz real fast.


  321. 341 Gil in Mechanicsville September 20, 2017 at 9:48 pm

    BOOOOO!!!!!!!! HISSSSSSS! This team stinks….. Snit is watching his job walk away…..


  322. 342 Vox O'Reason September 21, 2017 at 8:12 am

    I am falling out of love with Ramerez and Viz real fast.

    Ramirez has had issues with 1st batters all season, but has typically been able to work around them because he’s been really good otherwise. As for Viz, he was 9-9 in save opportunities before last night, with a sub-3 ERA. He’s been pretty reliable.

    So what happened tonight? Can’t explain. But I think it was an outlyer. I still believe they’re both pretty good.

    Now… will Viz be the closer in 2018? AJ Minter might have something to say about that.


  323. 343 Vox O'Reason September 21, 2017 at 8:14 am

    DO’B: Before [Weds. night] Viz had 2.16 ERA, .183 opp avg, 9-of-9 saves, 16 K in 16.2 IP in 17 games since becoming closer


  324. 344 Vox O'Reason September 21, 2017 at 8:15 am

    Ha ha… no glossing over that.


  325. 345 Vox O'Reason September 21, 2017 at 8:18 am

    Here’s how I imagine the interviews would have gone had they been there. And I imagine the two would have been identical:

    Bow: So what happened out there tonight in the 8th inning?

    Ram/Viz: I sucked.

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  326. 346 Vox O'Reason September 21, 2017 at 11:00 am

    Ouch. Gil, I think you and Frenchy see this one differently. 😀

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  327. 347 Vox O'Reason September 21, 2017 at 11:30 am

    OK… I’ll weigh in on the Snitker topic.

    I’ve said before that I disagree with the way he’s handled some things, and I do. I’ve also said that I think managers have different strengths, and that I think Snit’s is in developing young players… maybe not taking them to the next level. BUT…

    I also must say that Brian Snitker has never had the opportunity to take a team to the next level. He certainly hasn’t had a team full of star players to work with. What he got out of last year’s team – with very little major league caliber pitching – was nothing short of miraculous. However, what has happened this year with better pitching has not garnered much better results.

    I think Snit has been dealt a bad hand to play, though. He started the year with Bartolo Colon, Jaime Garcia and RA Dickey as 3 of his top 4 pitchers. And the guy who was supposed to lead the charge, Julio Teheran, was the worst of all of them for the first 4 1/2 months. Jaime Garcia was arguably the best pitcher he had, but his numbers with ATL were average at best (4.30 ERA, 1.319 WHIP).

    I think it’s awful easy for Mark Bradley to point to Bud Black now and say “Hey, we should have had him here.” Black wasn’t managing this putrid rotation in Colorado.

    Bradley also points to the Sean Rodriguez/Johan Camargo/Dansby Swanson saga as a mistake of Snit’, but I am a believer that the front office wanted Rodriguez to play so as to prove his heath and build some trade value. And that much worked. bradley seems to think Swanson should have been allowed to work out his problems here at the ML level, yet Dans himself talks about being able to relax at AAA and get his mojo back.

    I won’t go into all the managerial moves that Bradley points to specifically to condemn Snit since it’s easy enough to read his column for yourself. But again, I think it’s awful easy from a writer’s viewpoint to pull up archives and find mistakes in hindsight. Heck, I’ve seen Dusty Baker make some really bonehead moves just in the games the Nats have played against the Braves, but he’s being touted as a Manager of the Year candidate. Every manager makes mistakes. To cherry pick some to make a point is not

    I heard Jeff Francoeur talking about Snit on a recent broadcast, before Bradley’s column was published, but after I had made my own critical remarks about Snit. And I have to say that what he said hit home with me.

    #1, Nobody has seen what Snit can do with a bona fide major league caliber roster. He simply has not had one.

    #2, None of us get the opportunity to see what Snit does prior to the first pitch and after his post-game press conference. Apparently the players who do experience it think he’s doing something right. I think I may have to defer to their experience over my own.

    #3, How many times have you seen the stars of the team – Freddie Freeman, Nick Markakis, Matt Kemp – openly campaign for their manager’s return? For that matter, how many times have you seen Nick Markakis be vocal about anything?

    The fact is that I do believe, as does Gil, that it is already a foregone conclusion. If not, they would have already announced that Snit’s option has been picked up. For him to be managing out the remaining 2 weeks with “uncertainty” surrounding his tenure is a sign.

    Remember the name Ron Gardenhire. And don’t be surprised if they don’t at least contact David Ross.

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  328. 348 Gil in Mechanicsville September 21, 2017 at 12:04 pm

    Hey, I don’t bash Snit, he is doing the best he can but like you said Vee, the signs are there. I still believe numero uno on the FO hire list is Ron Washington. He allows the Braves to check so many boxes it become a no brainer. I do look for the Braves to offer Snit a Special Assistant to the GM job. Whatever that is…

    When I think about it, this is the time of year for an overused, overtaxed bullpen to implode, so many tired arms too many innings to cover.


  329. 349 Gil in Mechanicsville September 21, 2017 at 12:06 pm

    Many a marathoner has hit the wall at the 21 mile mark… Unlike me who could go at least the first 10 feet or so. But, I digress.

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  330. 350 Vox O'Reason September 21, 2017 at 12:28 pm

    Not Snit’s fault.

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  331. 351 Vox O'Reason September 21, 2017 at 1:12 pm

    Tomahawk Take: Raul Mondesi sentenced to jail time

    The court’s decision in the Dominican Republic has become public news as they sentenced Mondesi to eight years in prison for corruption and mishandling of public funds while he served as mayor of his hometown of San Cristobal. Mondesi has been under house arrest since February 2017 while waiting out this trial. It’s now official and he’ll be heading to the pen. The court also gave Mondesi a pretty hefty fine (well maybe not) of $1.27 million for defrauding more than $6 million from 2010 to 2016 — his time serving as mayor of San Cristobal.

    Why did Mondesi and his three other staff guys — who also got sentenced — do this? No one will probably ever know. He had career earnings of $66,470,000 over his thirteen year career.



  332. 352 Vox O'Reason September 21, 2017 at 1:15 pm

    Of course, some believe he should already have been convicted of robbery for taking $1M from the Braves in 2005 and only producing a .211/.271/.359 slash line in 41 games.

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  333. 353 Gil in Mechanicsville September 21, 2017 at 4:12 pm

    It is a cautionary tale Ber… Much the same as Allen Iverson of the 76ers fame. Millions in earnings lost to hanger-ons, ner’ do wells and crooked accountants and tax lawyers. A lot was spent thinking the golden goose would never die but spending more than you make over the long term nearly always ends badly. Like a lot of lottery winners who never learned how to manage money. A skill unto itself.

    It has been said, if you give a rich man a million dollars, he will no longer be broke but give a poor man a million dollars and he will be poor again in short order. We all have the same opportunity to be “rich” some are better at taking advantage of said opportunities than others.

    What I cannot figure out is where he was able to spend that much money in the DR…


  334. 354 Vox O'Reason September 21, 2017 at 4:13 pm

    As I recall, the failure of Raul Mondesi in RF, and to a lesser degree of Brian Jordan in LF, opened the door for the 2005 “Baby Braves”. Kelly Johnson and Jeff Francoeur were among those called up to try and squeeze some production out a lineup that started out anemic but still found their way to the team’s 14th straight division title. Hard to believe it’s been 12 years since then, but it has been. Then again, it’s hard to believe it’s been 4 years since the last winning season. 😐

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  335. 355 Gil in Mechanicsville September 21, 2017 at 4:21 pm

    I don’t know if the Nationals still employ Rick Ankiel as a “Life Coach” for their minor leaguers but it seemed to me to be a very good idea. It was so he could advise mostly the young latin players on how to assimilate into the US culture and how do life planning including managing their money. I would say it is pretty tough getting a 18 year old kid to understand that the major leagues is a long way off and few reach the show and those that do still have to understand it is really a short term job.

    Chipper Jones talks about being broke even after signing for millions of dollars. A lot because he could not control his primal urges. The downfall of a lot of good men has been the upkeep of too many women… A quote from Mom’s Mabely I think…

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  336. 356 Vox O'Reason September 21, 2017 at 5:02 pm

    *The downfall of a lot of good men has been the upkeep of too many women…

    Hard enough trying to keep up with one! 😉


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  338. 358 Gil in Mechanicsville September 22, 2017 at 9:36 am

    Okay, that was more like it. RA Dickey was vintage and Viz was able to start with a clean inning.

    What was that cluster all about in the ninth inning? Dusty showing off his mental acumen or lack there off whit is substitutions???


  339. 359 berigan2electricboogaloo September 22, 2017 at 2:24 pm

    V, excellent opine on Snit….and I know you and Gil were both …well, I don’t want to put words in y’all’s mouth but “ok” with him being let go.
    Like you said, Dusty makes errors , (and made a “big” one, no doubt in the eyes of the media last night) but he has also kept the Nats on track this year, in spite of losing Strausberg, Harper, Werth, and Trea Turner for significant lengths of time (look at the Dodgers, supposedly the best team in baseball, how very terrible they have been for a month plus, A fairly green manager may be one reason why)
    Like you said, how often do you see players so vocal in favor of a manager?
    usually folks go along to get along….
    Hey, I had a love/hate relationship with Bobby Cox….I truly believe no other manager but Bobby could win all those divisions in a row….even when there seemed no sense of urgency , when you were throwing your shoes at the tv as someone was in left in may hitting .180, while Marten Prado was hitting .330 playing 2-3 games a week, sitting on the bench…but, somehow, someway, the team had the ultimate confidence that come September, they would be in the hunt, and win the division.
    And yet…I felt we needed a playoff manager….cuz Bobby was always waiting for the 3 run homer, when we all knew, just knew 1st and 3rd, or bases loaded.. with 1 or none out…someone would strike out, then the next guy either hit into a double play or pop up…something completely useless to winning a game…meanwhile, if say the Yankees had a runner on 3rd with less than 2 outs, a SF, or a ground ball to a middle infielder, was a near guarantee . Why? I don’t know, but I do not believe it’s a crap shoot, not completely. Other teams might have practiced what to do in certain situations. They won come playoff times….
    anyways…far away from Snit, like V said, you don’t know what someone can do til they have a team that is truly good….and ….mostly settled….
    will we with Snit????


  340. 360 Vox O'Reason September 22, 2017 at 2:25 pm

    Dusty showing off his mental acumen or lack there of

    Funny… after discussing Snit’s mistakes alongside Dusty’s yesterday, Dusty turned around and looked like a rank amateur last night. Then he pitched a little hissy fit out of frustration and embarrassment. What a putz. But watch how much positive press he continues to get for being the beneficiary of the league’s most talented team.


  341. 361 Gil in Mechanicsville September 22, 2017 at 4:52 pm

    Yes, as it turned out, while no one explained it at the time, once Solaris stepped on the rubber, without advising the ump of an intended double switch, he was stuck with leaving in Trey Turner and shuffling his batting order. So, a learning moment for Dusty, who says you can’t teach and old dog new tricks. I can guarantee with about 50% certainty he won’t make that mistake again. (Why only 50%? Well, we are talking Dusty Baker here)

    Yes, Dusty has taken a team to the play-off 9 times now, however, he has yet to win the big one, the reason he was run off from San Francisco and Cincinnati. Some folks have pretty high expectations…


  342. 362 Gil in Mechanicsville September 22, 2017 at 4:53 pm

    And yes Ber, the play-offs are a different game with different parameters. Guys who are good number 4s and 5 on a staff have no business starting in the play-offs.


  343. 363 berigan2electricboogaloo September 22, 2017 at 7:15 pm

    As for Dusty, remember how their bullpen was the worst in baseball? That has to wear on you….you want to run a starter out there for 7-8 innings, but they can’t do that (save Max S) most of the time…he’s old school…and of course he WILL be fired if a starter gives up a run after say..the 6th inning . Even if it’s Max, better to fail with a bullpen arm, than dare let a starter go 6 +

    Speaking of old school. How old will Ron Washington be next year? 66. Does he even want the pressure of being a manager again? It’s not like the braves look like a team to win the division,as presently constructed. Wildcard? sure…Brewers came out of nowhere, and are still…in the hunt…

    Oh, Bud Black was mentioned above. How many playoff games has he won as a manager?
    Well….trick question. No team he has managed has ever been in the playoffs. and the rockies have lost 4 in a row, shut out back to back games. against the Pads and Giants….
    So….should he be fired at the end of the season? Of course no one expected the Rockies to do well this year…. that might give him a little break…
    Why does anyone want to be a manager again????


  344. 364 Gil in Mechanicsville September 22, 2017 at 9:33 pm

    Pretty sure Wash wants to manage again, after all he did apply for the job before accepting the coaching job.


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  346. 366 berigan2electricboogaloo September 24, 2017 at 3:58 pm

    In case you didn’t know, Gohara is pretty good….I think perhaps anyone else we have seen pitch this year I’d be….”ok” with trading to get that true #1 IF there is one out there (though I would fear him turning into Jon Lester, down the road) but you can’t consider trading him, you just can’t! he only turned 21 in July, yet he is the most polished, and it isn’t even close. As skip said, the only rookie with more than 2 pitches, and Glavine agreed…clearly the other guys have more than 2 pitches, but only Gohara has 3 good MLB pitches, right now….

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  347. 367 Gil in Mechanicsville September 24, 2017 at 5:39 pm

    Agreed Ber, I though Gohara pitched a heck of a game, more proof it’s not always how you pitch but also when. I think we will see him once more this season.

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  348. 368 Vox O'Reason September 25, 2017 at 8:34 am

    Observations from the weekend:

    Gohara is indeed good as you fells say. Very good. He’s the perfect glimpse into the future of the Atlanta Braves. Good things are truly on the horizon.

    I think the balance has tipped toward Snit returning if for no other reason than the campaign of his players. They want him. The simple fact that Suzuki re-signed while advocating for Snit’s return is a positive sign.

    Which brings me to Zuk. I’m elated that he’s returning. And there should be no doubt that Flow’s option will be picked up. We’ll have our catching tandem back in 2018 and I think its a very important foundational piece for what should otherwise be a very young team.

    Coppys comments over the weekend were fairly transparent in that he sounded quite clear in his intention to make room for Ronald Acuna in his OF in 2018. How will he do it? That part remains to be seen. IMO, he’s seen enough of Matt Kemp, as have we all. Doesn’t mean he can perform miracles though.


  349. 369 Vox O'Reason September 25, 2017 at 8:41 am

    One other note from Coppy’s weekend comments. If I read correctly, it now sounds as if he’s no longer in hot pursuit of his “controllable arm”, instead willing to lean on his own stable of young talent. And in reality, it probably has alot to do with Julio’s late season resurgence. Projecting a 2018 rotation of “Good” Julio, “1 year more mature” Folty, Sean Newcomb, (veteran similar to RAD, if not RAD), and Luiz Gohara actually doesn’t suck. At all.


  350. 370 Vox O'Reason September 25, 2017 at 8:55 am

    Excerpts from Coppy’s conversation with the ajc’s Mark Bradley published this weekend:

    On 2018: “I think we’re going to see a younger team. We’ve got arguably the best prospect in the game (outfielder Ronald Acuna) pushing his way up to Atlanta. He’s going to be given every opportunity in spring training. When he’s ready, nobody’s going to stand in his way. I said the same thing about Ozzie Albies this spring, and it’s the same way. You saw where we moved Brandon Phillips to third base. We will move other people to make way for this young player because he is that special.” Translation: Our corners are old. Really old.

    On trading Matt Kemp and/or Nick Markakis to clear room for Acuna: “We’re open to any possibilities to improve our club.” Translation: Any takers? Please?

    On pitching in 2018: “It’s safe to say we won’t be playing in big free-agent pitching waters. We need to make a decision on R.A. Dickey’s option; he needs to make a decision on whether he’s coming back. He’s had a great year for us. He’s a great person. Out of respect for him, I think we have to see what happens on both sides. I don’t think we’re locked in either way. But we’re going to see our young players make their way up to Atlanta, and they’re going to be given opportunities.” Translation: We simply cannot afford to bring in a marquee pitcher.

    On Jim Johnson: “You might think I’m crazy, but I think Jim Johnson is going to have a big bounce-back year. Jim was really good up until around the break, and then he started to struggle. Jim’s in great shape. He’s got great stuff. He’s a good person. … We think he’s going to have a much better season next year.” Translation; I really hope he has some small amount of trade value left.

    On this season: “A word for the year? I would say ‘improving.’ We’re going from 67 wins to 68 wins to 70-something wins. We’re seeing us do it with young players. A big point for me is that you’re not seeing starts go to Joel De La Cruz. You’re not seeing innings go to Jake Brigham or Ryan Kelly. Translation: Those guys suck. Our young guys don’t suck.

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  351. 371 Gil in Mechanicsville September 25, 2017 at 9:10 am

    I don’t think there is any doubt that Matt Kemp can be one of the most feared hitters in baseball when he is healthy, but that is the rub, staying healthy and on the field. I cannot see any scenario where Kemp’s health get better as he get older.

    As for Acuna, he will be on the field while Kemp or Markakis will be paid the money and playing somewhere else. Financially, I see Nick as the most likely to be traded along with about half of his salary. He would be a bargain at $5MM per year for some club. Kemp would be a bigger liability for any other ball club and it would be a stretch to believe any other ball club would be willing to take him off the Braves hands without a huge financial incentive for said club.

    So, perhaps we need to look at it differently, currently, the Braves are paying $25MM per year for Kemp to play part time in left field, maybe Acuna playing full time would be just as valuable.

    I think people get a little too hung up on what a player is earning versus what a team is playing to field a team. Sure, when you already are at your cap, it makes it tough to make a trade for someone when addition salary becomes part of the equation.

    So, that is why the front office types are paid the big bucks. To make it all work and to ultimately put a championship team on the field, all the while 29 other teams are trying to do the same thing, Well, maybe not Loria but at least 28 other teams.

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  352. 372 Gil in Mechanicsville September 25, 2017 at 9:18 am

    One thing that was a constant during the Braves heyday, new faces were always being put in the line up. Every year at least one rookie was brought along. That way the team stays both young and competitive. That was , until the New York Times decided that Atlanta did not deserve the money to keep them relevant.


  353. 373 Vox O'Reason September 25, 2017 at 9:32 am

    I was on the Matt Kemp train after the trade because I believed (and still do) that he wants to be in Atlanta. I was thrilled when he showed up at Spring Training obviously lighter, with an apparent commitment to be the best he could be. But you’d have to be blind to not see that he has put all the weight back on, and maybe a little more on top of that. And I’m not a fan of that. Sure, I get that it’s not easy to be in great physical shape, especially as the age ascends upward. I’d be a hypocrite not to admit that. And I have never, ever questioned his effort between the lines. But this guy gets paid to be a world class athlete, and part of that means being in world class physical condition. Matt Kemp has not done that, and to that end I feel a bit cheated. Even at his age, which is only 33 – not as old as Adrian Beltre and many other MLB stars – he should not look like I do… although I have to say I’m doing a little better and would bet that I am now lighter than Matt.

    That’s a long diatribe to simply say that I’m disappointing with his commitment to be the best he can be. He’s not there by a long shot and it has hurt his team and his franchise.

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  354. 374 Vox O'Reason September 25, 2017 at 12:06 pm

    Early start today folks.


  355. 375 Vox O'Reason September 25, 2017 at 12:16 pm

    In fact, it’s a DH today. Early start and late start. How about that? (… he said in his best Mel Allen voice.)

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  356. 376 Vox O'Reason September 25, 2017 at 12:17 pm

    You have to wonder if RAD feels really old knowing the rest of the rotation are kids like Sims, Fried, Gohara, Newcomb, Folty, and the old man Julio.


  357. 377 Vox O'Reason September 25, 2017 at 1:34 pm

    2day’s lineup for Game 1:

    Ender, CF
    Ozzie, 2B
    Freddie, 1B
    Nick, RF
    Flow, C
    Rio, 3B
    Dans, SS
    Jace Peterson, LF (again… why?)
    Lucas Sims, RHP


  358. 378 Gil in Mechanicsville September 25, 2017 at 2:55 pm

    Jace Peterson, LF (again… why?)

    Most likely to face a right handed pitcher and to have someone for Lane Adams to relieve and PH for when the Mets bring in a lefty reliever.

    Also lets other teams scout him for next season/part of a trade package… Maybe…

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  359. 379 Gil in Mechanicsville September 25, 2017 at 7:18 pm

    What a nice game pitched by Lucus Sims, that is two strong performances in a row by the rookie right hander. Ozzie continues to amaze me with his unexpected power. Now, getting ready for Fried’s start.

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  360. 380 Gil in Mechanicsville September 26, 2017 at 1:48 am

    Unfortunately, game two was not quite the same level of good play as game one as far as the Braves were concerned. Max Fried was always under the gun and a lot of hard hit balls at defenders and timely double plays kept Fried’s line looking better than it actually was. Officially, he pitched 5 1/3 innings with only one earned run but mistakes by the Mets and twin killings were the difference.

    That’s okay, he is still young and he has potential. It is not as if he has to be a front line ace overnight. Every outing is a learning opportunity.

    RA takes to the mound for the Bravos Tuesday night. Lets hope his knuckle ball is working.

    Ender is setting on 199 hits for the season, the same as Altuve of the Astros. Pretty impressive if you ask me. I think he will end up with around 210 by the end of the week if he can get that 200th early and take the pressure off.

    I thought Garcia looked pretty decent at third. I don’t see him staying on the Braves 40 man roster but he could still be a bench piece next year. We will have to see where it all falls out by the winter meetings. I think he can play in the majors but I would truly like and upgrade at the hot corner.


  361. 381 Vox O'Reason September 26, 2017 at 7:49 am

    I thought Garcia looked pretty decent at third.

    He isn’t bad, but he won’t be here. Age and “youth movement” don’t mix. Unless the Braves really shock me and make some sort of splash in FA or via trade, 3B will be manned by youngsters Rio Ruiz and Johan Camargo next season. I don’t think Rio alone is the answer, but a mix of him and Camargo might not be too bad, at least until Austin Riley can make the jump. From what I read, the team’s #10 prospect made a very good impression after his jump to AA this year, so 2019 is not out of the question for him. In fact, MLB Pipeline projects him for 2019. He’s got a real power stroke more in the mold of the prototypical 3B.

    His profile: There is little question that Riley’s power is legitimate, but with that pop comes a good amount of swing and miss. At times, that is offset by a willingness to see pitches and draw some walks. The former pitcher has a plus arm from third and he did improve on his overall defensive game at the hot corner. As Riley moves up the ladder, he’ll have to continue to show an ability to make adjustments and stay within his gameplan in order to tap into that considerable power consistently. If he does, he has middle-of-the-order run producer written all over him.

    In 48 games at AA, he slashed .315/.389/.511 with 8 HR’s and 9 2B’s. Those numbers were a big improvement over the early season numbers from high-A Florida (.252/.310/.408), a big indication that with better pitching he made better contact. I expect him to begin 2018 at AA but move up to AAA sometime during the season as his bat dictates. And he’ll only be 21 as the season unfolds, so there is still a bit of power yet to be developed as his body fills out.


  362. 382 Vox O'Reason September 26, 2017 at 8:16 am

    Chipper Jones on Austin Riley:

    *”I looked at his first-half numbers and thought, ‘He’s better than that,’ Then you saw the second-half numbers and it was obvious something clicked. So when I saw him this year, I asked, ‘What was the deal?’ He said, ‘Breaking balls for strikes and 2-0 changeups.’ I looked at him and said, ‘Welcome to the three-hole, buddy. That’s the way it is. When they come to the ballpark, what they’re saying is we can’t let Austin Riley beat us.’ Austin Riley could be Freddie Freeman’s protection in the lineup within the next two to three years, That’s what we’re shooting for. So, I’m really trying to talk the mental side of hitting as opposed to the fundamentals because the fundamentals are there.”

    Can’t think of a better tutor. 😀


  363. 383 berigan2electricboogaloo September 26, 2017 at 10:12 am

    V, yeah, no real excuse for Kemp to gain all that weight back… (DOB Finally said something about it in a tweet, in response to someone else) Like Gil said, he has had hamstring issues in the past when he was in great shape…some folks just have bad ones. no matter what…but added weight cannot help.
    for all that moola, he could/should have a trainer, right? I know, can’t do certain things with hamstring issues, but I have heard of players riding stationary bikes in spring training with hammy(hammie?) issues….


  364. 384 Gil in Mechanicsville September 26, 2017 at 10:44 am

    Good morning all, yes, Kemp appears to be someone who is predisposed to gaining weight. Just the combination of not being able to exercise and but still eating and a slow metabolism. Too bad, it makes the prospect of having to eat a big contract a greater reality everyday.

    Speaking of eating, it appears to me that Gohara will have to be really careful to not balloon up as he gets older. Some pitchers are able to handle the weight so the Braves have to be careful not to slim him down too much either.

    It is tough watching paint dry and grass grow. That is how it seems while we wait for the kids to mature. No doubt, the talent is coming but like with the cavalry when the settlers were surrounded by hostiles, they will still be too late for some to survive. Well, we can hear the bugle but the horses are not yet in sight.


  365. 385 Vox O'Reason September 26, 2017 at 10:57 am

    The ajc’s Mark Bradley with words of cold, harsh reality:

    As it stands, the Braves are set to pay $29.25 million next season to [Matt] Kemp and Nick Markakis, corner outfielders whose combined age is 66 and whose combined WAR is minus-0.6. It’s clear one has to go. Ronald Acuna has to play somewhere. The trick is in getting some other team to cooperate. Most every team has a right fielder better than Markakis. Going by WAR, every team has a better left fielder than Kemp. The Braves would surely have to eat some the $11 million owed Markakis to make him go away. (That, or sweetening a deal with a mid-level prospect, which would hurt worse.) I’m not sure they’ll find any interest in Kemp.

    Long story not so short: The Kemp Experiment has run its course. It worked for a little while — the Braves hit like crazy after he arrived last season, Freeman especially seeming to benefit, and his acquisition did get Hector Olivera off the books — but his defense is such that he’s giving away anything he provides with the bat. He’s a ponderous guy who doesn’t walk and who leads the league at grounding into double plays. If he has a future (and it’s unclear that he does), it’s as a DH. The Braves play in the National League.

    Does every team truly have a better RF than Nick Markakis? I’ll have to do some checking on that one. Kind of hard to argue LF, though. I still believe that Nick would be an asset to the Braves in LF in 2018 if Ronald Acuna is in RF.


  366. 386 Vox O'Reason September 26, 2017 at 11:17 am

    Well, according to the SABREcats’ haven Fangraphs, Nick Markakis ranks 19th in WAR (they’re value ranking rating) out of what I can only assume should be 30 places wince there are 30 MLB teams. Interestingly, there are only 24 listed. Strange to me since I assume all 30 teams use a RF.

    Oops, I got distracted…

    So anyway, some notable player names that have been “worse” than Nick Markakis in RF: Hunter Pence (Giants), Melky Cabrera (Royals), Jose Bautista (Blue Jays), and Carlos Gonzalez (Rockies).

    The Royals immediately stand out to me since they’re facing some tough decisions with 1B Eric Hosmer, 3B Mike Moustakas, CF Lorenzo Cain and SS Alcides Escobar all facing FA at season’s end along with Melky. That’s 5 of their 8 everyday players. Obviously they can’t let all 5 of those starters walk, so financial strain is looming. And while there is argument to be made at keeping one or all of Hosmer, Moose, Cain and Escobar, Melky is a certain goner. Nick Markakis might be a good fit for KC.


  367. 387 Vox O'Reason September 26, 2017 at 11:20 am

    Sadly, there is no good fit for Matt Kemp. None. And that includes his uniform.

    Sorry. That was a cheap shot. It was just too easy.

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  368. 388 Vox O'Reason September 26, 2017 at 11:49 am

    Checking ESPN.com (while holding my nose) for their DH rankings by WAR…

    Matt Kemp’s -0.5 WAR would actually tie him for 9th with Mark Trumbo (O’s). And I suspect if Kemp didn’t play – or occupy at least – LF, his WAR might be a little better.

    Notable DH’s with worse WAR than Kemp: Victor Martinez (Tigers. -0.6), Carlos Beltran (Astros, -0.7), Brandon Moss (Royals, -0.8) and Albert Pujols (Angels, -1.7).

    Maybe there is hope after all..?


  369. 389 Vox O'Reason September 26, 2017 at 11:52 am

    Come to think of it, if you have a negative WAR while only batting a handful of times a game and never actually stepping between the lines, you’re kind of stealing your paycheck aren’t you?


  370. 390 Vox O'Reason September 26, 2017 at 11:55 am

    Crikey! Albert Pujols (-1.7 WAR, $114M still owed through 2021) might have a poster in a Post Office somewhere. 😉


  371. 391 Gil in Mechanicsville September 26, 2017 at 12:10 pm

    Likely, it would take something like the Braves paying 95% of Kemp’s salary to get another team to bite which is still better than having to pay 100% of his salary and simply release him. If only…. If only he would get really serious about his conditioning and loose about 40 pounds this winter and work really hard at keeping stretched out, he could still be an asset. If only pigs (bad analogy maybe) could fly, we could have light pork chops…

    Still, when a power hitter can only use his upper body, he is not going to hit a lot of homers. The best comp I can make is Andrew Jones when he got fat and happy. Not that Matt Kemp is/was as good as Andrew but AJ’s performance really suffered and as a result, so did thousands of Braves fans. Almost as much as the Dodgers….

    As for Markakis… he is still clutch. Okay, so he is not an elite power hitter, he still is not overpaid.

    So, looking into our crystal ball at the 2018 season, a lot really still depends on pitching, on that, I can see the horses and the cavalry sabers glinting in the sun….

    I still think Ramirez will be better. He is still pretty young. I think he will benefit from the rest of the off season. It will be tough for Acuna to be the savior next season, pretty heady stuff to lay on a 20 year old but he will be another brick in the foundation along with Ozzie and Harriet.

    I think Matt Kemp will be back, I only hope he can come all the way back….

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  372. 392 Gil in Mechanicsville September 26, 2017 at 12:16 pm

    Albert was robbed of a couple of MVPs by Barroid Bonds. Bonds denying steroid use is a lot like Rose saying he did not have a gambling problem.

    So, yes, it could be worse.

    I am not certain the Braves are ready for the big splash signing of a free agent third baseman. I still think the are more in the target of 2019 for making that push.

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  373. 393 Vox O'Reason September 26, 2017 at 12:31 pm

    I am not certain the Braves are ready for the big splash signing of a free agent third baseman.

    Not with Austin Riley on the near horizon.

    I believe Coppy when he says they’ll focus mostly on bullpen additions from outside the organization. Everything else will probably be internal… youngsters moving on up. And I also believe they will make room for Acuna somewhere, and that somewhere will almost certainly have to be in RF. I just don’t see any way the Braves can move Kemp. (No pun intended, although the visual is kinda funny.)

    Look for next year’s opening day lineup to look something like this:

    Ender, CF
    Ozzie, 2B
    Freddie, 1B
    Kemp, LF
    Flow/Zuk, C
    Ronald Acuna, RF
    Rio/Johan, 3B
    Dans, SS

    Rotation: Julio, Folty, Gohara, Newcomb, Sims (The rotation at AAA Gwinnett could open 2018 with Max Fried, Mike Soroka and Kolby Allard in it. Maybe Touki Toussaint, too. Sick!)

    I won’t speculate on the bench yet, but obviously the 2 position tandems will take 2 spots. And I won’t speculate on the bullpen either, but you can be sure that AJ Minter and Sam Freeman will be there. Probably Akeel Morris too.

    This team will be even younger in 2018 than it is here at the end of 2017. And they’ll still be better.


  374. 394 Gil in Mechanicsville September 26, 2017 at 1:00 pm

    Keep this in mind, in order to have a successful season, an organization needs to have at least 7 major league ready starting pitchers at the beginning of the season.

    Now, all those rookies will need experience. What the Braves will need to guard against is having too high an expectation for some of these really young arms coming through the system.

    It is nice to see youngster like Gohara and Sims have good performances. I think Newcome will continue to improve too. A lot is seeing the success of your teammates and how attacking the strike zone is often the best strategy.

    I would like to see Folty back off a bit and work on control. 92 on the black is much better than hitting the bull at 100. He still needs an out pitch, of course, every pitcher needs an out pitch. We have seen far too many time this season when Braves pitchers have given up hits after getting two strikes on a batter. Keeping the ball off the barrel with an occasional strike out and pitching deep into games would go a long way towards improving the bullpen so those guys are not done by the end of June.

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  376. 396 Vox O'Reason September 26, 2017 at 2:09 pm

    He still needs an out pitch, of course, every pitcher needs an out pitch.

    On Folty, he has the pitches in his arsenal, just not the control. He does possess both a good slider and a good curve. His slider especially could become that out pitch that most agree he needs to take the next step. The good news is that it’s a wicked slider when it’s located correctly. The bad news is that it’s not consistently located correctly. And some of them have ended up in the Chophouse because of it.

    According to the charts of his pitch selection this year, he’s thrown 60.8% fastballs, 21.1% sliders, 12.4% curves, and 5.6% changeups, which only equals 99.9%, but I suppose that’s close enough. So it looks like he’s not shy to toss the slider and that’s a good thing.

    Perhaps the best pitch control he could develop would be to control pitching hissy fits on the mound. What’s residing between his ears often gets him into more jams than what’s hanging off his shoulder.


  377. 397 Gil in Mechanicsville September 26, 2017 at 6:04 pm

    Yes, we have seen this movie before haven’t we? Mike Minor, Sean Gilmartin and Kyle Davis. All had great stuff but had a hard time harnessing their emotions and thus, their control.

    Best advice that could be given to a pitcher, since the beginning of baseball, pitchers have given up at least two runs per game. deal with it….

    Fried pitched well enough to win last night, Gohara pitched well enough to win Sunday. Just keep doing what you are doing and at some point the baseball gods will reward you.

    I am reminded of a good football analogy, John Maden when he was coaching the Oakland Raiders had an assistant coach tell him that their quarterback was constantly overthrowing his receivers. Maden told the assistant, don’t change the quarterback, get faster receivers who could get down field…

    So, if you have a pitcher with a sub 3.00 ERA, you need an offense that can score more than 3 runs per game.

    The second game last night was a pre spring training game for both teams. Any wins from here on out are window dressing.


  378. 398 Gil in Mechanicsville September 26, 2017 at 6:07 pm

    One has to wonder if anyone has worked with Folty to find his best speed/effort at which he has 100% control of where the pitch is going.

    I’d rather see him have a little late movement that pure speed.


  379. 399 Vox O'Reason September 26, 2017 at 6:33 pm

    I’ve heard some reports today that Snit might be safe but that TP and Eddie might not be. Kinda weird. I don’t understand it, but I’m sure there is more happening behind the clubhouse doors than is apparent to us.


  380. 400 Gil in Mechanicsville September 27, 2017 at 7:50 am

    Defeat snatched from the jaws of victory…

    Really was a shame because RA Dickey pitched a heck of a game. A reminder that rookies are prone to miscues. A bad throw from the normally reliable and AJ Minter cracking a bit under the pressure of the 9th inning.

    Some positives though, Ender with his 200th hit and a heck of a catch in the eight inning.

    One more then Miami…

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  381. 401 Vox O'Reason September 27, 2017 at 8:36 am

    A reminder that rookies are prone to miscues.

    Even the best closers of all time gave up game winning hits on occasion. Bruce Sutter lost 72 games, Mariano Rivera lost 60, Trevor Hoffman lost 75, and the great Billy Wagner lost 40. It happens. What separates them is how they respond. That’s what I want to see now… will AJ pitch his next outing with the same aggressiveness, or will he be tentative?


  382. 402 Gil in Mechanicsville September 27, 2017 at 8:46 am

    Ah, and there is the rub, I thought tentative was exactly how Minter pitched the ninth.

    I wonder if it dawn on anyone that both the tying and winning runs scored by the Mets last night were by players who walked.


  383. 403 Vox O'Reason September 27, 2017 at 10:50 am

    Wow. Makes me wonder how many times this kind of thing happens that we don’t ever know about?


  384. 404 Vox O'Reason September 27, 2017 at 10:59 am

    This may be one of the best pieces of analysis on a pitcher I’ve ever seen. And it is timed perfectly with our current conversation on Folty. It’s alot of information, but it’s quite is detailed and comprehensive.

    Enjoy: https://buff.ly/2fQOu8S

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  385. 405 Vox O'Reason September 27, 2017 at 11:00 am

    but it’s quite is detailed and comprehensive

    English are my first language.

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  386. 406 Vox O'Reason September 27, 2017 at 11:05 am

    T minus 4 games and counting. Hard to believe this season is almost over. It hasn’t sunk in with me yet. It won’t until Tuesday night when I can’t turn the Braves on for 2 days straight. Then I’ll be cranky for about a week while I adjust.


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  387. 407 Gil in Mechanicsville September 27, 2017 at 11:21 am

    Good stuff, I hope Folty reads it.


  388. 408 berigan2electricboogaloo September 27, 2017 at 4:12 pm

    Crikey! Albert Pujols (-1.7 WAR, $114M still owed through 2021) might have a poster in a Post Office somewhere.

    V, you might have been under the weather when I went off some espn (by way of 5:38 or whatever that dumb site is called) saying Phat Albert was the worst player in all of baseball) 23 Hr’s 100 RBI’s…that’s his total for the year so far. Remember when we were stupid enough to believe that was a good offensive year? oh, for the good ol’ days… Imagine if he had the DH in the NL (after seeing some worthless AB’s from braves pitchers in the last week or so, I am more for it than ever) and say…Matt Adams was that guy…fills in for FF twice a month….hit 23 HR’s drove in 100 RBI’s on this team. Could it be possible he’d have a Negative 2 WAR???? I just HATE war (WAR, what is it good for, absolutely nothin’) tells me nothing…

    and if Dickey retires….he will likely have the braves wishing he hadn’t …. going out on a good note for sure…


  389. 409 berigan2electricboogaloo September 27, 2017 at 5:06 pm

    T minus 4 games and counting. Hard to believe this season is almost over. It hasn’t sunk in with me yet

    I hear ya V! It seems like this season has just flown by…it hit me when my friend had tickets for that game a week or so ago…now down to 4 games…wow….
    Don’t know who to root for this year…well, I am in Cleveland’s corner this year. Cubs seem to hot doggy this year….Dodgers…don’t really care for them. Might actually be for Nats of all teams…


  390. 410 Vox O'Reason September 27, 2017 at 5:20 pm

    You know, the O’s RF is a FA at season’s end. Wonder if they’d like a reunion?


  391. 411 berigan2electricboogaloo September 28, 2017 at 12:41 am

    Hopefully it’s nothing too serious, for Nick’s sake…
    I think MLBTR just had a story on Baltimore’s needs (starting, starting, starting) they say Defensive metrics show Adam Jones stinks in CF (which probably means he’s fine) but…they said they might want to move him to RF, especially if they don’t re-sign Seth Smith…then they might go after a CF like Lorenzo Cain…but, if they don’t go for that….Nick M would be a much cheaper option, right?


  392. 412 berigan2electricboogaloo September 28, 2017 at 12:46 am


  393. 413 Vox O'Reason September 28, 2017 at 7:53 am

    So many glimpses of the future this year… Folty’s winning streak, Gohara’s shear domination, Fried’s slipperiness, Sims’ bulldoggedness, and Newcomb’s incredible “stuff”. If those youngsters can truly go into the offseason with a mindset and mission to improve and hone their considerable skills for 2018, the sky’s the limit for any or all of them, and for the team as well.


  394. 414 Vox O'Reason September 28, 2017 at 7:59 am

    So we head to Miami for the season’s wrapup w/ 4 games in front of the Technicolor Monster beginning tonight. The pitchers on tap are: Julio, Gohara, Sims and either RAD or Fried. Snit says that the season lid closer is RAD’s if he wants it, but RAD has said he hasn’t decided. We may have seen his last pro game, and it’s a shame we couldn’t have sent him out with a “W”. Personally, I hope he pitches in that 3pm game in Miami. I bet the knuckleball would really move in that atmosphere.


  395. 415 Gil in Mechanicsville September 28, 2017 at 7:59 am

    It was a pretty manageable game until the Jim Johnson show ans even then until the normally reliable Freddie Freeman to an inning off. BOOM! 3 run homer and the game was completely out of hand. Oh well, I thought Newk had a decent outing. Just needs to work on his pitch efficiency.

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  396. 416 Vox O'Reason September 28, 2017 at 8:07 am

    More on RA Dickey…

    Kevin McAlpin said yesterday that RAD has told him numerous times lately that the decision on whether to pitch another season is his, and that he has not yet discussed it with his family. They’ll do that when he goes home to Nashville at season’s end. McAlpin also noted that there were an awful lot of hugs given out in the dugout when RAD walked off the mound in his last start Tuesday, and that it sure appeared as though he’d pitched his last game of the season if not his career.

    Personally I’d like to see him come back for one more season if for nothing else than being that strong veteran presence these youngsters need.

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  397. 417 Gil in Mechanicsville September 28, 2017 at 8:08 am

    ACK… typos.. the bane of a keyboardist

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  398. 418 Vox O'Reason September 28, 2017 at 12:05 pm

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  399. 419 Vox O'Reason September 28, 2017 at 3:54 pm

    2nite’s lineup:

    Ender, CF
    Ozzie, 2B
    Freddie, 1B
    Nick, RF
    Flow, C
    Adonis, 3B
    Dans, SS
    Lane Adams, LF
    Julio, RHP

    Nick is back.


  400. 420 Vox O'Reason September 28, 2017 at 5:09 pm


    Dickey will pass on making last start Sunday, ATL will start Fried in season finale. Dickey hasn’t said if he will pitch again in ’18, but decision to pass on Sunday start after good outing at Citi Field seems to indicate Dickey leaning toward retiring, if he hasn’t already made decision. I’ll be surprised now if he pitches again.

    Wow. Dude still has some gas left in the tank, not to mention a few dollars left on the table.


  401. 421 Gil in Mechanicsville September 28, 2017 at 5:45 pm

    I thought Ozzie’s reply was priceless.

    Thank you I appreciate your comment. Saw you pitched in your prime LOL Always been a fan!⚾️

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  402. 422 Gil in Mechanicsville September 28, 2017 at 5:58 pm

    Free game tonight CL

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  403. 423 berigan2electricboogaloo September 28, 2017 at 9:22 pm

    Julio isn’t exactly building his trade value up….did make it 6 innings…..yay…..


  404. 424 Vox O'Reason September 29, 2017 at 8:00 am

    Julio isn’t exactly building his trade value up….did make it 6 innings

    Yes., but they weren’t his best 6 innings. Actually, 5 of them were OK, but that 3rd inning… oy!

    The notion that they might trade Julio sailed a while back. It’s not happening. No longer a consideration. I don’t see the team trading any of the “big” names from this roster. They’ll likely trade Matt Adams, although they missed their best chance at that in July. They’ll likely trade Nick Markakis, because they have to make room for Ronald Acuna and Matt Kemp’s contract is stuck like a barnacle. They’ll let a couple of others simply go… like Adonis and Ian Krol. One guy I’m not certain about is Danny Santana. He’s a good bench piece, but is he more valuable than Lane Adams? I don’t think he is, and they won’t have room for both.

    Here’s a roster issue that will have to be answered sooner than later, even though it isn’t apparent at the moment. We have Zuk back for 2018 and it’s a certainty that TFlow’s option for next season will be picked up as well. But what about 2019? The guy in the pipeline with the best shot at being an everyday catcher is Alex Jackson, but he’s at least 2 years away. And even if he is ready in 2019, he’ll need a veteran to share the load with. Brett Cumberland is also a possibility, but like AJax, he’s at least 2 years away, more likely 3.

    I’m getting ahead of myself, though. I’ll do my post-season roster assessment once the season wraps. 🙂


  405. 425 Gil in Mechanicsville September 29, 2017 at 8:01 am

    Well, I did get to see Mike hit two dingers… Good chance he will hit # 60 tonight.

    That was a bit of a tough game to watch though, I get the feeling the Braves offence has already checked out for the season. Sad…


  406. 426 Vox O'Reason September 29, 2017 at 9:49 am

    Bowman: Snit’s fate likely won’t be decided before Sunday. Regardless the Braves are prepped to alter their coaching staff

    There is a story linked to that twet that I clicked over too. I was a victim of a deceptive headline. Bowman really says nothing more than we already know… that Snit is a “favorite”, but that a decision won’t be made right away, and that there are rumblings that there will be a change in his coaching staff. It says nothing more than that. I kinda resent the clickbait from a guy that I typically respect. Hopefully some intern or editor did that.


  407. 427 Vox O'Reason September 29, 2017 at 10:04 am

    As for changes in the coaching staff, I’d be a little surprised if there isn’t. First, I think that TP and/or Eddie will be interviewed for managerial openings elsewhere. And even if they aren’t hired as manager, they may move on to an organization with better opportunity. It doesn’t appear that either will get a shot here.

    All that aside, I hope Chuck Hernandez isn’t retained. I can cite 3 good reasons for that statement: 1: Julio Teheran, 2: Mike Foltynewicz, 3: Bartolo Colon.

    Julio’s wild inconsistency is inexcusable from a coaching standpoint. That’s exactly what Chucky’s job description encompasses. I’ve seen hitting coach after hitting coach get fired for the same offense. Folty’s lack of progress falls under the same scrutiny. And all one has to do is look at Big Sexy’s numbers here and in MIN to see that something was obviously different.

    Colon in ATL: 2-8, 8.14 ERA in 13 starts.
    Colon in MIN: 4-6, 5.50 ERA in 14 starts including a complete game in early August just 3 weeks after being released from Atlanta.

    Time for Chucky to move on. I see that NYM has an opening.


  408. 428 berigan2electricboogaloo September 29, 2017 at 12:56 pm

    I saw this video of Julio, after I posted that…post above. Is it just me? Or does this annoy you all too? Perhaps whatever had folks laughing just before the camera rolled…it’s not fair to judge…but, you watch it, and Julio seems to think he had a decent game, and the team won…What point is there for putting a positive spin on a game you gave up 5 runs? To feel good going into the offseason?
    I don’t know, I just feel he needs a change of scenery. He’s never gonna be that go to guy….he’s a decent 3-4 (and as I type this, I know, he won’t need to be any more than that , very soon) but I wouldn’t count on him winning a playoff game….


  409. 429 berigan2electricboogaloo September 29, 2017 at 1:13 pm

    Gil, the offense seemed to check out about a week or so ago, doesn’t it?
    Not helping Snit’s case….
    Skip was making the lame excuse that they were blurry eyed…I’m sorry, the braves come all the way from the Atl, Marlins came from Colorado without a day off…
    and Gil, yep, nice to see Stanton have a chance to get to 60.
    probably last chance to see him on a regular basis . Sure, come up with 1.2 billion to buy a team, but can’t afford the players…how exactly are the Marlins worth even half of that?
    How many fans will there be to see Stanton going for 60 tonight? then they talk of trading him away…that will really bring fans out next year…


  410. 430 berigan2electricboogaloo September 29, 2017 at 10:26 pm

    So, Gohara pitches great except for the 6th inning, gives up 2 whole runs… braves bullpen can’t hold the lead (in spite of 4 pitchers used in 1 inning) still could have been worse…Lane Adams makes a great throw to keep it 5-4. braves get the bases loaded, 1 out, Up comes sidearmer Zigler with a bad back, and a .350 BA against to righties, and up comes Matt Kemp, who no joke…looks to have gained another 5-10 pounds…swings at first pitch, hits a weak grounder to the pitcher….so, not gonna be able to trade him , no way no how, even if we eat all the moola? sigh…..


  411. 431 berigan2electricboogaloo September 29, 2017 at 10:42 pm

    Ok, I was wrong (Rush was on Hannity, Dad wanted to see that, so recorded it, and went back and forth, pausing the interview, I know weird) I didn’t realize Snit let him come back out in the 7th, just heard 4 pitchers. So, Gohara gave up 4th runs. Snit should have taken him out after 6…oh well…


  412. 432 Gil in Mechanicsville September 30, 2017 at 7:16 am

    I’d say he was tipping his pitches in the 7th. Too drastic of a change…

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  413. 433 Vox O'Reason September 30, 2017 at 8:25 am

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  414. 434 Vox O'Reason October 1, 2017 at 1:40 pm

    Next year’s manager and pitching coach?

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  415. 435 Vox O'Reason October 1, 2017 at 1:49 pm

    Lid closer.


  416. 436 Gil in Mechanicsville October 1, 2017 at 2:44 pm

    The season coming to a merciful end…


  417. 437 Gil in Mechanicsville October 1, 2017 at 6:00 pm

    Watch this space for news of a fresh lede…


  418. 438 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 6:57 am

    I miss them already…

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  419. 439 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 7:02 am

    For those keeping up with such things, the Braves will pick 8th in the 2018 amateur draft.


  420. 440 Gil in Mechanicsville October 2, 2017 at 9:23 am

    Good morning, good finish to a long season. Always nice to fished the 18th hole with a birdie…

    I thought Fried was pitching a heck of a game, not sure how the bottom fell out for him but glad the Braves could cover it up.


  421. 441 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 10:46 am

    Courtesy of Bowman:

    “I think [the players] want everybody back,” Braves catcher Kurt Suzuki said. “I know I can speak for a lot of the guys, especially in regard to Snit. He has done everything he can with the hand he was dealt. I think he’s done a fantastic job. I’ve played for a few managers now. He’s definitely a good one. I think a lot of players would benefit from the whole coaching staff coming back, but it’s out of our control.”

    I’m betting on a new regime.


  422. 442 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 10:49 am

    More Bowman:

    … like last year’s strong finish aided his cause, the fact the team entered Sunday with a six-game losing streak seemingly evaporated some of the optimism that Snitker had felt over the past week.

    Kind of sums up how I feel about it. I thought he had tilted things in his favor until the late skid. I’m afraid that may have done him in.


  423. 443 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 12:30 pm

    As I said earlier, I am still feeling a little bit of a hangover from game 162. It’s hard to believe the season has gone by so quickly. I have alot of post-season thoughts to share, and will as you all know I can get a little long sometimes. For the moment, I’ll just be fairly brief and say that this season did not go as I had expected or hoped, but maybe my expectations were set a little high. I had honestly looked at .500 as a realistic goal as this season unfolded, but as I look back, I’m not sure what I based it on. Then again, I know exactly what I based it on…

    I believed Matt Kemp when he made a fresh commitment to his game and to Atlanta. I felt validated when he showed up to camp in obviously better shape. Dansby Swanson was coming off a fantastic MLB debut month at the end of 2016. And of course Bartolo Colon sent us that great video of him working out hard in the DR. Those are things I based my optimism on.

    But it didn’t last long. As the season progressed, you could visibly see the old round Matt Kemp reappear, and with thatt his injuries reappeared as well. His effectiveness was inversely proportional to his waistline. That was disappointing.

    Dansby Swanson… much has been written and hashed over. And while his struggles opened the door for Johan Camargo to emerge as an important piece going forward, and while he did bounce back to a certain degree, his overall season was disappointing.

    I was somewhat emboldened as Matt Adams stepped into the fray during Freddie’s absence and provided an offensive spark that helped propel the team to .500 on July 16 at 45-45. He was playing way above the back of his baseball card, but sadly couldn’t sustain it. Equally sadly the Braves failed to cash in on his success before he came back to earth. He became the one trade chip that might have yielded a promising return, but we chose not to cash it in. (There was also the whole “Freddie at 3B” experiment, followed by some interesting adventures in LF, but let’s not relive those “highlights”, OK?) Now Matt Adams’ trade value is slightly above that of Nick Markakis. That was and is disappointing.

    Good Julio or Bad Julio? Who could have expected our “ace” to be a 2017 version of Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde? Again, I was encouraged when he appeared to make some adjustments in August and starting looking like the Good Julio we had come to know and love. Then he slipped back into the Mr. Hyde role again late in September. That was disappointing.

    Bartolo Colon. No words need to be typed here. He was disappointing.

    Folty seemed to emerge as the new ace of the staff around mid-season as he went 7-5 in the first half with a 3.77 ERA, then nosedived in the second half going 3-8 with a 6.34 ERA. That was disappointing.

    Jim Johnson. Ugh. I don’t even like typing his name. Disappointing personified.

    Those last 4 lead me to their leader, pitching coach Chuck Hernandez. No one knew of his qualifications when he was hired, and I still don’t see them. Among the coaches, he looks to me to be least effective of a group that has come under fire. I suppose you could say he was disappointing, but did he ever exude any real expectations to begin with? Maybe that in and of itself is what’s disappointing.

    And finally there’s Snit. I’ve been his advocate. His team seems to love him. I don’t know if he’s the man or not. All I know is what I can see, and I see a guy that didn’t lock the job down. Not sure he could have with the group he was handed. And as the season slowly circled the drain toward game 162, we lost 6 of the last 7 games. Some of those games bore some very questionable managerial moves. That last week did nothing at all to help his cause. That was really disappointing.

    Put it all together and you have 72-90 and not even close to .500. And that, my friends, is disappointing.

    (So much for being brief.)

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  424. 444 Gil in Mechanicsville October 2, 2017 at 12:33 pm

    I have been working on a new lede this morning, maybe I will be done by tomorrow. As for the coaching staff, there is going to be a lot of moving parts among major league baseball teams. I cannot see where the Braves will be any different.

    I still say Ron Washington will be the number one choice to take Snit’s place. If not, I see Wash going to any one of a dozen other teams who will be hiring new managers for 2018.

    Like many others, I was appalled at the news of a mass shooting in Las Vegas last night. Truly a tragic event. It is still too early to understand if this was some sort of terrorist act or just an act by a deranged sociopath. For the time being, I am just praying for both those killed and the survivors of this horrible act.

    I pray for folks in this country to allow law enforcement to get the facts before jumping to any conclusions. Of course the politicians won’t head that but after all, they are politicians.

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  425. 446 Gil in Mechanicsville October 2, 2017 at 12:45 pm

    Okay Vee, you read my lede…. 🙂 Pretty much agree with a few caveats. I think it was the complete lack of consistency by the Braves pitching staff top to bottom. When the starters had a good game it seem the relievers couldn’t hold a lead, some games it was the starters who could not get out of the third inning before they had given up 6 runs.

    Untimely errors, shaky defensive decisions, double plays not turned seemed to always end up doing the most damage at the worse times.

    And Matt Kemp… Well, you know…


  426. 447 Gil in Mechanicsville October 2, 2017 at 12:47 pm

    yes, that is it, inconsistent pitching would be my number one reason for failure followed by spotty defense…. yep, that’s my story and I’m sticking to it.


  427. 448 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 12:55 pm

    Ken Rosenthal is reporting that Coppy is resigning today!!! News is breaking and fluid. More to follow…


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  430. 451 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 12:56 pm


  431. 452 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 12:59 pm

    From Jeff Passan at Yahoo Sports:

    Sources: Major League Baseball has been investigating Braves GM John Coppolella in recent weeks. @Ken_Rosenthal says he plans on resigning.

    Numerous issues with John Coppolella came up as the league looked into the situation. At least one anonymous complaint was filed with MLB.

    The Braves organization has been a wasteland of infighting in recent weeks, according to numerous sources. Chaos centered around Coppolella.


  432. 453 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 1:02 pm


  433. 454 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 1:07 pm

    OK… connecting the dots, Coppy got cute in making some deals happen with his int’l signings, and his assistant Blakely was his co-conspirator. Some of the front office personnel didn’t like it, and they were recently reassigned and more Coppy cronies were hired. Meanwhile, somebody squealed and MLB began sniffing around. The whole apple cart got turned upside down and Coppy got caught in the act.


  434. 455 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 1:07 pm

    It’s official… the Braves have issued a statement. I’m efforting the official word.


  435. 456 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 1:08 pm


  436. 457 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 1:10 pm

    Early speculation surrounds Kevin Maitan. According to reports I’m hearing, if an investigation finds broken rules in the signing of Maitan, his rights could be taken away from the Braves. That would hurt.. alot.


  437. 458 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 1:11 pm

    John Hart: “Major League Baseball is investigating the matter with our full cooperation and support. We will not be issuing any further comment until the investigation is complete.”


  438. 459 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 1:12 pm


  439. 460 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 1:15 pm

    Well… this certainly throws an unexpected monkey wrench into Snit’s situation. Can you make a long term determination on your Manager when you suddenly don’t have a long term grip on your General Manager?

    Unfortunately for the Braves, John Hart will only have about a month to decide.


  440. 461 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 1:18 pm

    Too much happening in a short burst of time. I’m suddenly exhausted. I need lunch…

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  441. 462 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 1:23 pm

    One has to wonder how long Coppy has been looking over his shoulder, and how that affected his job performance. The weird trade of Jaime Garcia and the non-trade of Matt Adams immediately come to mind. How far back does this turmoil go? Seriously, when it all comes down, has the “front office infighting” that Ken Rosenthal wrote about last month been going on behind the scenes for longer than we realize? After all, it’s been over a year since the Braves big int’l signing splash.


  442. 463 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 1:26 pm

    From a forward looking perspective, the organization might be really attractive to potential GM candidates. We have a stocked minor league system and are just emerging from the most painful parts of a total rebuild. It’s actually a pretty favorable situation for a new GM to step into.

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  445. 466 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 1:29 pm

    Didn’t we just say that? 😉

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  446. 467 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 1:31 pm

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  448. 469 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 1:36 pm

    Terry Pendeton and Eddie Perez can each put away their real estate agents’ business cards. Their respective futures in Atlanta just gained some renewed optimism.


  449. 470 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 1:43 pm

    Hmmm… isn’t that interesting? I had no idea his contract was at its end. He could potentially hand ALL the reins over to the new hire. Makes it even more important to find an experienced and strong leader. Again, Dayton Moore comes to mind. The timing is good as KC appears on the precipice of beginning their own rebuild. And if Moore could be lured here, could one of his newly freed FA’s come with him? What of Ned Yost? He has 1 more year remaining on his deal in KC… could Snit keep the top step warm for one more year until Moore gets the whole band back together here in Atlanta?

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  450. 471 berigan2electricboogaloo October 2, 2017 at 1:45 pm

    What a day…..
    Wasn’t even going to talk baseball, after the shooting in Vegas…and had some thoughts….
    then this….wow….
    Like V said, if this involves Maitan….oh boy. Like losing Phat Albert, or Cabrera…
    And of course, there will be penalties, do doubt…no international pics for a year or two loss of 1st round guy? (8th pic V said) perhaps more?
    Man, seriously…how could Coppy be so stupid???? Has..well, had a chance to see the braves compete, and for a long time with what he had put together, and thinks that somehow he would be different than all the others who have been caught in international dealings like this before????
    That desperate to prove he’s a superstar, a supergenius?
    Will he ever have a job in baseball again???? Probably all he has ever wanted to do, had a dream job…
    makes no damn sense….. except , no doubt a lack of God in his life.

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  451. 472 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 1:57 pm

    Makes no sense indeed. I find it interesting that Passan made the statement “John Coppolella was not well-liked among his peers. Well-loathed would be more accurate.” That’s really strong. And quite honestly, if that’s truly the case, I’m glad he’s out in ATL. Business is business, but one can be honorable and still be successful.

    Maybe this is just the kick in the pants this organization needs to emerge from their long funk.

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  452. 473 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 2:02 pm

    This new GM hire could potentially be the most pivotal point in the entire rebuild. A crossroads, so to speak.

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  453. 474 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 2:06 pm

    To be fair, I’ll at least wait until the details of the investigation begin to surface before burying Coppy any further. But his own recent actions, including his resignation, provide enough fuel to at least give him a hearty “Goodbye” as he’s taking his cardboard box out the front door at STP.


  454. 475 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 2:32 pm

    This is a tweet from back in February. Is it relevant? Maybe. Maybe not. But it is smoke where we know there was a fire. Apparently a big fire.


  455. 476 berigan2electricboogaloo October 2, 2017 at 2:37 pm

    you all may have seen this on mlbtr, but if not…..

    …. While it’s not yet clear what transgressions the Braves have committed, the resignation of a general manager — be it forced or voluntary — would represent the most extreme outcome for any scrutiny under which GMs have come in recent years. Padres general manager A.J. Preller was suspended for one month after his team’s medical disclosure practices were revealed to be substandard, and the Red Sox were forced to tear up some agreements with international prospects they’d signed in package deals as a means of circumventing international bonus restrictions. Neither of those incidents, however, resulted in the resignation or firing of a high-ranking official.

    wow, just how bad is this????


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  457. 478 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 2:53 pm

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  458. 479 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 3:02 pm

    I call bullsnot. It has to affect it. No way around it.


  459. 480 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 3:04 pm

    … or whenever Dayton Moore can cleanly get out of KC. 😉

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  460. 481 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 3:11 pm

    For what it’s worth, Dayton Moore is under contract with KC through 2018. The Braves will NOT wait that long. While it’s fun to speculate on another prodigal son returning home a hero to the executive offices in Atlanta, the reality is that it’s not very likely. Back when the Braves hired Coppolella (he has lost the right to be called Coppy anymore), Dayton Moore’s name was being mentioned and the KC brass said they would not stand in the way of him interviewing if that’s what he wanted. Of course, it was already a foregone conclusion that Coppolella was going to be named. I’m not so sure they’d be so accommodating now, not when it could actually happen.

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  461. 482 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 3:15 pm

    Flurry of tweets from DO’B:

    MLB investigation had been going a few weeks, but Braves were informed past 48 hrs of scale of alleged infractions of Coppolella & Blakeley

    MLB investigation uncovered multiple infractions regard Braves in international FA market. Unclear if there will be penalties.

    “Will this affect any of the players we signed?” The Braves don’t think so. Not certain, but as of now they don’t think so.


  462. 483 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 3:19 pm

    More DO’B”

    Braves will likely have a decision on Snitker by mid-week. Hart says Coppy situation doesn’t affect it either way.

    If I had to guess, Braves are going to pick up Snitker’s option. But that’s just sort of intuitive thinking, from what I’m hearing.

    Translation: We’ve just had a big hunk of crap hit the fan. We’ll be so busy cleaning that up that we don’t really have time to think about the manager’s job right now. We’ll just pick up the existing option, let Snit keep it for now and let the new guy deal with it later after the smoke clears.

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  463. 484 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 3:25 pm

    It’s like little teenage Johnny C got a phone call at his friend’s house when he was supposed to be at school. “Get your tail back home right now, young man!”

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  464. 485 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 3:34 pm

    wow, just how bad is this????

    Well, Ber, given the old revelation of the “power struggle” within the Braves recently, and given the new revelation that Coppolella was not well liked and had treated Braves employees poorly, these allegations by MLB were likely a very timely and convenient reason for John Hart to simply boot the bad apple out the door. And it’s coincidental that it comes the very next day after game 162 wraps the season, right? R-i-g-h-t.

    (Yes… I know that Coppolella “resigned” and wasn’t fired. I’m sure there was no coercion there, right? R-i-g-h-t.)

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  465. 486 Gil in Mechanicsville October 2, 2017 at 3:46 pm

    GMs come and go, would not like losing Matian or Acuna… I get the feeling this is a disgruntled employee who got canned ratting out their boss, just has that feel to it for me. Or, could be a team which offered $10MM at the last minute not believing a player who had been cultivated for years by the Braves would turn down that much money,,, it happens, just ask Greg Maddux.

    So, just another thing to pile on the Braves and Atlanta. Could it possibly Trump’s fault? Everything else is according to CNN.

    JoAnn does not believe the shooting in Vegas was one guy who had no issues… Wife missing, family stunned… just does not add up at this point. I’m waiting for the FBI to blame Trump…

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  466. 487 berigan2electricboogaloo October 2, 2017 at 3:49 pm

    Treating braves employees badly….did he NOT hear about the previous GM doing that too????


  467. 488 Gil in Mechanicsville October 2, 2017 at 3:50 pm

    One more opine, Look for someone outside the organization to come in a turn everything upside down.

    I wonder if Coppolella’s recent new hires are thinking: Uh Oh, I wonder what I have just stepped into?


  468. 489 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 4:10 pm

    GMs come and go, would not like losing Matian or Acuna…

    The good news is that Ronald Acuna was signed by the previous administration, not the one currently under investigation. Both DO’B and Bowman are of the opinion that the penalties handed down as a result of the investigation will not affect Maitan’s status with the Braves.

    IMO, the “resignation” of Coppolella was the first step. It’s a little like NCAA teams self reporting infractions and self imposing penalties. It almost always lessens the penalties given by the NCAA itself. I imagine the same will happen here. The infractions were likely made by Coppolella and/or Gordon Blakely working directly under Coppolella, and both have now resigned from the organization. I expect a fine and the loss of future int’l spending slots.


  469. 490 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 4:14 pm

    Look for someone outside the organization to come in a turn everything upside down.

    Outside hire yes. Upside down? Whomever steps into this job steps into a real cherry position. Talented young core of players; top minor league system; new ballpark; new revenue streams; etc. There’s not much to turn upside down. It’s alot like being handed the keys to a Porsche and being told, “Just don’t wreck it.”

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  470. 491 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 4:16 pm

    I gotta call bullsnot on that one too. Those were clearly guys Coppolella wanted to help fortify his position within the internal power struggle. Maybe they get to stay, but they will be on short leashes. Nobody likes to have a snake in the camp.


  471. 492 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 4:20 pm

    One more opine then I have to turn my attention back to reality here in God’s country. This is my opinion only. I have nothing tangible to base this on.

    The biggest benefactor from today’s events is probably Brian Snitker, and to a lesser degree his coaches. Reading between the lines, I think Snit has had John Hart’s support all along, but not Coppolella’s. I think that was part of the internal power struggle. Now that the struggle is over, the guy who remains will take care of business in the manner he chooses, and that probably includes keeping Snit on board. We may never find out if any of that is on target, but that’s what my gut and my instincts tell me.

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  473. 494 Gil in Mechanicsville October 2, 2017 at 7:58 pm

    Lots of speculation that Matian signing may be in jeopardy. All things considered, it would appear to me someone, somewhere wold like to steal the promising rookie away from the Braves, watch for developing situation.


  474. 495 Gil in Mechanicsville October 2, 2017 at 8:02 pm

    Funny, for someone who was/is so widely disliked industry wide, this is the first we have heard of it….

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  475. 496 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 8:08 pm

    Unjust noticed again the tirlemof this lead – The Worst May Be Behind Us. Maybe not.


    This story tells alot. It also makes me go from somewhat ambivalent with regard to Sloppy, to pretty angry. If this story proves to be true, I hope his next job entails learning the phrase “Would you like fries with that?” Actually, I wouldn’t trust him to handle my food.

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  476. 497 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 8:09 pm

    Typing on my phone is a challenge.


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  478. 499 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 9:24 pm

    I never imagined anyone would make Frank Wren look like a better option.

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  479. 500 Vox O'Reason October 2, 2017 at 11:29 pm

    Truth is… I feel betrayed. I’m angry and I’m frustrated. As all of your know, this team is more than just a casual pastime to me. It goes much deeper. I pour alot into the Braves, and as such I’m affected by their ups and downs. I bought into the Coppolella hype machine and believed in every step. Now I find myself doubting the whole rebuild and everything else I’ve been told. That part makes me angrier than all the rest.

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  480. 501 Carolina Lady October 3, 2017 at 1:10 am

    I understand how you feel, V. It is like a personal betrayal. The last paragraph of the article is quite telling:

    Then again, the dislike for Coppolella extends far and wide – some of it from baseball lifers who wondered how a Notre Dame graduate with no playing experience wound up in a GM chair at 36 years old, some from those who disliked the fashion in which he did it, relentlessly networking and trying to leverage himself into jobs through media contacts. Coppolella worked in the New York Yankees’ player-development system before joining Atlanta in 2006. He steadily ascended through the baseball-operations department, and upon the firing of Wren, with whom he butted heads, positioned himself as the heir apparent.

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  481. 502 Vox O'Reason October 3, 2017 at 8:41 am

    Oh the morning after…

    Yesterday was a tough day. We woke to hear of the tragedy in Las Vegas, then get blindsided in the afternoon by the sudden turmoil affecting our beloved Braves, then heard late that Tom Petty passed away suddenly following a heart attack.

    “Free falling” indeed.


    The bible says that “Weeping may spend the night, but there is joy in the morning.” And this morning I am thankful once again for the amazing grace extended to me by my Father in heaven.

    “And I’ll keep this world from draggin’ me down… and I won’t back down.”

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  482. 503 Vox O'Reason October 3, 2017 at 9:30 am

    Enough about the improprieties of the past. I prefer to look ahead in anticipation of the offseason and the progression of the team moving forward.

    Bowman says this morning that “The Braves are expected to make their coaching staff changes this week. Snitker will likely remain the manager.” As I opined yesterday, I think that path became clearer when John Hart assumed the decision making role.

    A couple of things are rattling around in my brain this morning. First, the popular new way is to name a President of Baseball Operations and a GM under him. It’s the way many of the clubs are organized these days, including the Braves. In fact, It’s John Hart who holds, er… held the title of Pres of Baseball Ops. Remember, his contract technically expired at the end of the regular season. And now he’s acting in a temporary role as GM. I wonder if part of the enticement to Dayton Moore would be to hire him as Pres of Baseball Ops. It’s an upward movement for him in that sense, so it would enable him to better leave his GM position in KC. And as Bowman has stated, it’s unlikely a guy with the stature of Dayton Moore would take a GM position under a Pres with the stature of John Hart.

    Given all that has happened, I could see Hart hiring Dayton Moore as Pres of Baseball Ops, with Moore assuming GM duties himself until he can hire his own. It’s probably time for the 69-year-old John Hart to step back anyway. The fact that his contract had already expired without an extension is telling.


  483. 504 Gil in Mechanicsville October 3, 2017 at 11:27 am

    Sometimes you just have to step back and step away to allow your brain time to comprehend it all.

    The Coppy scandal has “disgruntled employee” written all over it…

    That said, what is done is done. I expect the Maitian will be declared a free agent so the Yankees or Dodgers can sign him, would that mean he would have to return the Braves money? It is like taking points off the board to me.

    Anywho, I already have enough stuff to worry about without trying to fret over what will be done to the Braves. It is why I cannot watch too much TV news and never watch CNN…. So, to put it in prospective, the Braves got caught because likely someone that Coppy fired got mad and ratted him out. Key words, anonymous tip…

    Now, back to my opinion of likely GM hire… The guy John Schuerholtz wanted before he jumped to Kansas City all along.

    Now, given the talent collected by the Braves, what guy would not see the Braves as a plum job? There will not be any lack of applicants.

    I have to say the Braves reaction to it all was pretty swift which means the evidence is pretty hard and fast.

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  484. 505 Vox O'Reason October 3, 2017 at 12:22 pm

    I haven’t seen it reported locally, but this guy is very reputable.

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  485. 506 Vox O'Reason October 3, 2017 at 1:39 pm

    Didn’t we say that earlier? The ol’ B&S is truly on the bleeding edge. We have our finger on the pulse… of something. Not sure what, but of something.

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  486. 507 Gil in Mechanicsville October 3, 2017 at 4:18 pm

    Yes Snit now likely to return unless incoming GM states he would like to pick his own guy.

    At this point, with someone holding a title over you (someone who can A) hold you accountable or B) second guess you.. It was an added layer of management that allowed some folks to hold sway without having to do the actual job. n other words, GMs became glorified assistant GMs.

    Look at it this way, how many times have we seen sheriffs, especially in California wearing five stars on their uniform collars? Is it not enough to simply have the title of sheriff? You see it a lot in small fire departments too.

    Anywho, I doubt it will be long before a hire is made, lots of things to prep for. Decisions to be made on who to keep, who to go after, winter meetings. It is good that John Hart is still around, it is not as if he does not know how to keep the trains running on time. I think the organizational meetings come up first.

    In fact, the only difference these days between the season and the off season is the fact games are played everyday.

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  487. 508 Vox O'Reason October 3, 2017 at 4:47 pm

    It is good that John Hart is still around

    I’m a little torn on this one. On one hand, he’s a long time baseball guy who knows how to hold things together during a storm. And this is surely a storm.

    On the other hand, he’s the Pres of Baseball Ops. What was he doing while Sloppy was out cutting every corner available? Snoozing? Turning his head the other direction? Ultimately, doesn’t everything “baseball operations” fall under his scrutiny? I’m not so sure he should get off so easily. And maybe that’s exactly why he’s operating without a contract right now.

    I don’t know on this one. One thing I am convinced of is that whomever comes in should get all the reins. All of them.In fact, I hope Dayton comes in with the title of GM and Pres. of Baseball Ops and that John Hart rides his golf cart off into the sunset.


  488. 509 berigan2electricboogaloo October 3, 2017 at 5:32 pm

    V, I am going to guess we will never know…how did the homeboy upstairs not know that Wren was very unpopular, especially the fact he was driving scouts away?

    and Sloppy (I like it!) was basically dishonest by nature, so he may have been able to hide this from Hart….just guessing of course….


  489. 510 Gil in Mechanicsville October 3, 2017 at 5:51 pm

    Folks, it is not that hard to hide stuff from your boss if he does not micro manage. That said, sometimes stuff comes out. I had someone embezzle money from an organization I was associated with, problem was, when I became suspicious, I got the run around and people blocked me from prosecuting. I said screw it and left, their loss… Anyway, was what Coppy did worse than what Jim Bowden did? He did overpay the latin players, he skimmed money off the top of their bonuses as kickbacks. DUH…

    So, not knowing these people personally, I have to take it all with a grain of salt. we will live, they did not throw the World Series. New management will move in and it will soon be al