#189: Hot Stove Time! Light ‘Er Up!

Vox O’Reason

Donaldson

I’m beginning to form the opinion that there is an event to happen in the Braves organization that will be a direct cause/effect reality. I am beginning to form the opinion that if the Braves re-sign Josh Donaldson (and make no mistake, it will have to be for at least 3 years at big money), they will use Austin Riley in a trade to fill another need.

As you all know, I obsess over these things and read way too much from way too many sources. But this revelation seems to be an undercurrent everywhere I look. And the more I think about it, the more it makes sense and the more I believe it.

Austin Riley

The Braves have 4 major holes to fill before they start to feel the warmth of the the Fla Gulf Coast sun: they must add at least 1 and more realistically 2 starters, 1 of which must be of the top-of-the-rotation variety; they must fill the hole at 3B; they must fill the hole at catcher; they must fill the hole in LF. Now that’s not to say there aren’t other areas that can’t be improved or augmented, but those core 4 items must be specifically addressed if the Braves intend to not only repeat as NL East champs, but actually progress far enough to play for the NL pennant.

And the Braves are not a team that is going to stroll into the off-season with the checkbook open, reeling in Free Agents like bass in a stocked pond. That’s not to say they won’t break off a guy… maybe even 2. But 2 guys can’t fill 4 holes. There will be trades made.

And somebody of quality has to be included.

Maybe AA signs 2 top pitchers after seeing what actually makes it to the World Series, and leaves 3B for Riley to grow into. Maybe he signs his pitcher and catcher. Maybe he surprises everyone and signs a power bat for LF.

Or maybe he spends big on 3B. At that point, can he afford to hold onto Riley when other teams might supply us with a catcher or pitcher for a good 3B prospect? I don’t think he can.

I am of the opinion that Josh Donaldson and Austin Riley will not be on the same team in 2020. The Braves simply cannot afford that luxury.

What say you? And whom would you rather have over the next 3 years?

A few notes on an otherwise boring Monday…

After reinstating all the players on the 60-day IL, as is required 5 days after the World Series ends, the Braves 40-man roster currently sits at 32. Since there is a need to protect a handful of eligible prospects from this year’s Rule 5 draft, this is good news. But given that we must also add a few players to round out the major league roster, there will be some tough decisions that have to be made. And the deadline to make these decisions is Nov. 20, just 8 days away.

First, there is a whopping 25 Rule 5 eligible players in the Braves minor league system this year. I’m not sure how this ranks with other teams, but it doesn’t really matter. That’s a lot. And there will surely be some players that do not get protected that we will lose.

Among those who will surely get added to the 40-man roster in the next week are:

T Davidson

Pache

 

Cristian Pache. This one is obvious…. a no-brainer. Also no-brainers are pitchers Tucker Davidson, Jasseel De La Cruz, and Thomas Burrows. Another player who should require no debate is catcher William Contreras.

 

 

Wm Contreras

T Burrows

J de la Cruz

Now if you’re keeping count, that’s 5 players. Remember, we started with just 8 open slots in total. And while you have to keep one eye open to the fact that any Free Agent you sign to a major league deal is going to require a spot, that should not dominate this process yet. After all, for every FA you sign, you can use a corresponding move to bump someone off the bottom of the list. For instance, if we sign a catcher, Alex Jackson is likely placed on waivers. (Speaking of catchers, John Ryan Murphy will not remain on the 40-man roster very long himself. But with only 3 catchers on the roster as it’s currently assembled, AA cannot just cut him loose yet. Or perhaps Murphy’s fate is sealed once Contreras is added. That is possible. But I digress…)

Clouse

Pfeifer

Anyway, there are a still a couple of players who will almost certainly be selected if not protected. Those include pitchers Philip Pfeifer and Corbin Clouse. I think one or both of them are easy goners if left unprotected.

Other players of note that are eligible: P Josh Graham and SS Ray-Patrick Didder. I doubt either of them would be drafted since they would have to remain on the drafting team’s active roster for the entirety of the 2020 season. But a guy like Didder could be taken by some team in need of a versatile and speedy defender.

If I had to guess right now, I’d say they do protect the “no-brainer 5” I listed above, and cut loose JRM… leaving them with a little flexibility even after the 5 additions. But to add more than 5 is asking alot. How much do they like Pfeifer and Clouse? We’ll see in the next week.

Of course, I could be totally wrong about all of it. It wouldn’t be the first time.

More randomness because I am bored…

2019 playoff teams and their 2019 Opening Day payroll ranking:

#5 Nationals = $197,287,505 (World Series, champs)
#7 Astros = $188,624,429 (World Series)
#2 Yankees = $226,718,875 (ALCS)
#12 Cardinals = $168,097,083 (NLCS)
#4 Dodgers = $198,063,010 (NLDS)
#16 Braves = $138,401,048 (NLDS)
#17 Twins = $134,935,267 (ALDS)
#28 Rays = $88,817,567 (ALDS)

If the Braves want to elevate their season ending position, they might want to consider elevating their payroll position.

Just sayin’…

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

926 Responses to “#189: Hot Stove Time! Light ‘Er Up!”


  1. 1 Carolina Lady November 11, 2019 at 8:14 pm

    Excellent, VOR! Thanks once again!

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  2. 3 Gil in Mechanicsville November 11, 2019 at 9:17 pm

    Great reading both times… 🙂

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  3. 4 tramz18 November 11, 2019 at 10:02 pm

    Hey man.I love your articles and am going to share them in Braves groups I am in on Facebook.I hope this is ok Toby

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  4. 7 Vox O'Reasoñ November 12, 2019 at 8:33 am

    Mark Feinsand, MLB.com:

    Free agency is barely in its infancy stage, but as the General Managers Meetings commenced Monday, one name on the market is already starting to gain serious momentum: Josh Donaldson. The former American League MVP already has more than a half-dozen teams on his trail, with the Rangers, Phillies, Braves and Nationals chief among them, according to sources.

    The Rangers are expected to be a big player in the free-agent market, something that hasn’t been the case in recent years. Texas is moving to a new ballpark in 2020, and with third base among its top priorities, the expectation is that the Rangers will make a big push to sign either [Anthony] Rendon or Donaldson.

    And from what I’m reading, they fully expect to land one of the two. The fallout of that is easy to read. They are poised to outbid ATL for JD’s services. In all likelihood, the only thing that will prevent them from landing on a number that JDon will accept is if they first come to terms with Rendon. But that won’t help AA much either, because if it were to reach that point it appears the Nats will simply turn their focus to the Bringer and still outbid Thoppy.

    In other words, both the Rangers and Nats have Rendon and Donaldson listed as priority #1 and #1A. Now you all know I’m not a “glass half empty” kinda guy, but it’s not hard to read the landscape here. It might simply be impossible to compete with both teams in terms of dollars when we have other more pressing needs, most notably starting pitching. And quite honestly, we have secondary options at 3B, both in-house and in the market.

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  5. 8 Vox O'Reasoñ November 12, 2019 at 9:55 am

    File this one under “stuff”…

    https://twitter.com/Justin_FOX5/status/1194106840008855552.

    I love it!!!

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  6. 9 Vox O'Reasoñ November 12, 2019 at 9:55 am

    Take 2:

    File this one under “stuff”…

    I love it!!!

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  7. 10 Vox O'Reasoñ November 12, 2019 at 11:42 am

    … as expected.

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  8. 11 Gil in Mechanicsville November 12, 2019 at 11:47 am

    Yes, while I loved having J-Don on the team, the Braves are a tight fisted franchise and I would expect perhaps a more reasonably priced Moose to be on the menu. That and I prefer Donalson to be a Ranger rather than a Philly but the BOR will go where the dollars lead him.

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  9. 12 berigan2electricboogaloo November 12, 2019 at 1:08 pm

    Excellent opining V!
    Interesting point here…. First, there is a whopping 25 Rule 5 eligible players in the Braves minor league system this year. I’m not sure how this ranks with other teams, but it doesn’t really matter. That’s a lot. And there will surely be some players that do not get protected that we will lose.
    that’s interesting…wonder if the braves can trade some guys first, to teams that really want certain guys?

    IF J.D. doesn’t re-sign here….really hope he leaves this division….don’t want to see him 18 times a year…ugh!

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    • 13 Vox O'Reasoñ November 12, 2019 at 1:47 pm

      wonder if the braves can trade some guys first

      Sure, but those guys have to be protected by Nov. 20. And once they’re added, they cannot be messed with until the draft.

      Baseball rules state: A minor league player eligible for selection in the Rule 5 Draft cannot be added to an MLB Reserve List (40-man roster), traded to another organization, or transferred from one minor league reserve list to another within the same organization, starting with the filing of minor league reserve lists on November 20th (or November 19th if November 20th falls on a Saturday or November 18th if November 20th falls on a Sunday) up through the conclusion of the Rule 5 Draft.

      So those guys are locked and loaded from Nov. 20 on. So the Braves can protect u to 8 guys as the 40-man roster currently stands. There could certainly be some additional roster maneuvering before then. For instance, I cannot foresee a scenario in which John Ryan Murphy is tendered a contract offer. That said, he is 1 of only 3 catchers on the current 40 man with any ML experience. The others are Flow and Alex Jackson, whose ML experience is marginal at best. But they have to acquire another catcher somehow, even if he’s not as highly regarded as we’d like. AJax is simply not an option to open the season. Not with alongside, at least. Maybe if he only had to catch once every couple of weeks…

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  10. 15 berigan2electricboogaloo November 12, 2019 at 1:48 pm

    as for the Moose….I don’t believe MLBTR for a second , about some of their prices for certain guys. Moose is 3 years younger than J.D. and has a history of being healthy. He walks less, and is perhaps not as good defensively (as V said, we all didn’t know how good JD was till he came here) but 2 years, 20 mil? that’s less than JD gets for just 1 season?
    I know, he’s basically been doubted as a player, as he hit 38 HR’s in 2017, and no one would give him more than a 1 year deal, but folks that that was a fluke year. So, back to the Royal, who were terrible, then got traded in late 2018. to a better team. 28 HR’s between both teams. still only a one year deal. but last year, 35 HR’s at 3rd and 2nd. walked a bit more. Just cannot see how some smart team wouldn’t give him 2 years, 30 mil, or 3 45 Mil. If the braves do that, thats a lot of moola saved for a 3rd baseman. but, if some other team gets Rendon (you know, the mystery team every year) then it’s only JD and Moose….
    Riley was AMAZING for 2 months…33 HR’s in 127 games between the minors and majors, at 22. Since he wasn’t so hot at the end of the year….are teams going to offer an “impact” pitcher? If not, why not roll with him at 3rd? Just so much is not in place right now….
    I wonder if one of the 2 outfielders in waiting will be traded away, especially since they haven’t shown much power yet….if another season comes and goes, and they only hit 10-12 in the minors, then they aren’t going to have the value they have now…..you really want to be a GM? 😉

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    • 16 Vox O'Reasoñ November 12, 2019 at 2:24 pm

      I wonder if one of the 2 outfielders in waiting will be traded away

      There is a sentiment that Drew Waters could be traded if the return was an impact pitcher. Who could that be? I’d say that if Waters is included, the return would have to be string. AA keeps things close to the vest, so it could seemingly come out of left field, pardon the pun. But there are rumblings that Corey Kluber could be moved. And the Braves seem to always be linked to Matthew Boyd.

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  11. 17 berigan2electricboogaloo November 12, 2019 at 2:02 pm

    I know, he’s basically been doubted as a player, as he hit 38 HR’s in 2017, and no one would give him more than a 1 year deal, but folks thought that was a fluke year.

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    • 18 Vox O'Reasoñ November 12, 2019 at 2:28 pm

      I tend to agree that Moose doesn’t seem to garner the respect he looks to deserve. Are we missing something?

      I’d take him. Gratefully. I’d take him at 2 years plus a 3rd year team option.

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  12. 19 Vox O'Reasoñ November 12, 2019 at 2:33 pm

    Here’s something else to keep in mind. The current labor agreement only runs through 2021. Any contract that runs 3 years r longer will be impacted by the next labor agreement. So if you think a guy like JDon or Moose might not be as effective to play 150+ games in that 3rd year, there’s a good chance you could make him your DH in that last year. That reality is inevitable with the next CBA.

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  13. 20 Vox O'Reasoñ November 12, 2019 at 2:48 pm

    Don’t be surprised if the Braves kick the tires on trading Folty. He’s in his last year of arb, and I get the feeling they don’t want to tie him up long term.

    I think in an ideal world, the Braves will acquire 1 top-of-the-rotation pitcher, 1 innings eater, and fill out the rotation with holdovers Soroka, Fried and a rookie 5th starter, whomever wins the battle between Kyle Wright and Bryse Wilson. I think old buddy Sean Newcomb will be given the opportunity to win that 5th spot too.

    The Braves won’t spend the $$ for both MadBum and Zack Wheeler, but they could certainly buy one of them. The secondary guy will be someone like Tanner Roark or Rick Porcello, who you can simply pencil in every 5th day with league average results. But even more likely is that they probably will sign one guy, and trade for one guy. And thus the guess as to whom either might be is only just that… a guess. The possibilities are numerous.

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    • 21 Vox O'Reasoñ November 12, 2019 at 2:51 pm

      Think about it… if they can trade Folty, they’ll save a potential $7+M that could be applied to Bum or Wheels. And while Folty can at times be the pitcher he was in Game 2 of the Cards series, he can also be the guy he was in Game 5. And you never know which guy you’re getting.

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  14. 22 Gil in Mechanicsville November 12, 2019 at 3:21 pm

    As with every other pitcher, they finally reach an age where they are actually good. The trick is to know when and hope you manager or more likely, the guy who had him last didn’t wear out his should from over use. The history of MLB is littered with them by the way, heck, Bobby Cox alone must have ruined a couple of dozen arms during his tenure.

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  15. 23 Vox O'Reasoñ November 12, 2019 at 7:56 pm

    Thoppy must read the ol B&S.

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  16. 25 Gordon Lawrence November 12, 2019 at 11:22 pm

    Still think they need CHRIS MARTIN.
    After all, KOLBY ALLARD went away for his rental.
    Guess they think he’ll want too much for too long.
    The old waiting game begins I suppose with MARTIN.
    But yeah, SP, and not just a dumpster dive.
    A real number one starter to run with SOROKA, FRIED, FOLTYNEWICZ, and hopefully one of WILSON/TOUSSAINT/ANDERSON/WRIGHT/WEIGEL.
    Catching, TRAVIS d’ARNAUD has been kicked around.
    Some have said he’s a bad framer.
    I don’t know.
    Frankly, I’m more concerned about 3B and the OF.
    AUSTIN RILEY isn’t ready unless he becomes his first half self, and not the second half stranger none of us recognized.
    I’m sure JOSH DONALDSON wants that three year mega retirement check.
    MOOSE MOUSTAKAS might be the one for 2020 while we continue waiting for RILEY or CAMARGO to step up.
    I don’t think WATERS and PACHE will be ready until 2021.
    Not off last year’s results at any rate.
    I don’t think AA believes it either.
    Enter NICK MARKAKIS on another one-year.
    ENDER, ACUNA, MARKAKIS and RILEY look like the outfield at the moment with MATT JOYCE the odd-man out.

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  17. 28 Vox O'Reasoñ November 13, 2019 at 8:25 am

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  18. 29 Vox O'Reasoñ November 13, 2019 at 8:28 am

    Manager prediction scorecard update:

    Angels = Joe Maddon ✓
    Cubs = David Ross ✓
    Giants = Gabe Kapler ✓
    Mets = Joe Girardi Carlos Beltrán
    Padres = Jayce Tingler ✓
    Phils = Buck Showalter Joe Girardi
    Pirates = Jeff Banister
    Royals = Mike Matheny ✓

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  19. 30 Vox O'Reasoñ November 13, 2019 at 9:47 am

    We have debated here ad nauseum the benefits of having Josh Donaldson in the lineup vs. a lesser option in veteran Mike Moustakas or in-house options Austin Riley or Johan Camargo.

    It’s certainly a valid debate, and one that will continue until players begin to sign and the dominoes start to fall.

    But I read a statement this morning that was one man’s opinion, yet it stuck with me like a hair on a biscuit. He said, “The benefit to letting Donaldson sign elsewhere would be the ability to acquire two of the top free agent pitchers on the market.”

    Make no mistake, AA will acquire at least 1 name-worthy pitcher, either through trade or Free Agency. Many national writers believe that a union of Braves and MadBum is a great likelihood. I even saw a poll on MLBTR yesterday where 39.3% of fans believe Bum will sign here, far outpacing the next highest team (Giants) at 11.4%.

    Our local beat writers all believe that it’s even feasible for the team to sign both MadBum and the Bringer.

    But…

    If that were to happen, the remaining spending would be greatly muted. Our next catcher would likely come via trade and be a guy like the Jays’ Danny Jansen or Luke Maile. And Maile is a non-tender candidate anyway. The secondary pitcher would be of the flyer type, a #5 at best.

    But for the $25M AAV that JDon will cost, there is pitching available. There is good pitching available. For $25M AAV, you could probably sign Zack Wheeler.

    Now, there is the side debate over the draft picks lost to sign a FA with a QO attached. For the Braves, signing 1 of these FA’s will cost them their 3rd highest selection. But what if they were to sign 2? That would carry the additional cost of next year’s 3rd highest selection plus $500K. But don’t forget that if JD signs elsewhere, we gain a pick ourselves, thus this year’s draft pick cost becomes a wash. And next year is next year. So IMO, the draft pick cost should note even enter the debate. After all, are we trying to win this year or not?

    So I propose to you, who would you rather have on your team? MadBum, JDon and Wade Miley or Julio Teheran… or MadBum, Wheeler and Austin Riley?

    Thanks, JD. I loved your season here, and am one of your biggest fans. I appreciate everything you did for us in 2019.

    Give me the pitching.

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  20. 31 Vox O'Reasoñ November 13, 2019 at 10:36 am

    If anyone is interested, I have now made my 3rd mock roster for 2020, forfeiting signing a new 3B in favor of targeting 2 pitchers instead.

    I’ve also made a surprise mock trade.

    Notable signings now include both MadBum and Zack Wheeler. Also signed is catcher Jason Castro, known for his defense, and a LH bat to help balance the bottom of the lineup.

    My big trade sends Ender Inciarte and Kyle Wright for PIT for CF Starling Marté. Marté is under team control for just 2 more years, with 2021 being a team option. It lines up perfectly with Pache and Waters. And his offense helps mitigate losing JDon’s bat. Marté is a 2.9 WAR player who slashed .295/.342/.503 w/ 23 HR’s. His RH bat fits perfectly behind Freddie. And his high OBP helps to offset the swing-and-miss I get by sticking with with Riley at 3B. Also, if Pache is ready to come up mid-season, Marté slides to LF to accommodate.

    After trading Ender, I have $48,609,375 in guaranteed contracts, an estimated $25,300,000 for arb contracts, and an estimated $9,435,000 in pre-arb contracts, giving me a base amount of $83,344,375 before making additions. Said additions, including both new FA contracts plus Marté’s existing deal, add up to $62,500,000 in new money. That new money is broken down as follows:

    Signings:
    SP Zack Wheeler 5 yrs @ $20M AAV
    SP Madison Bumgarner 4 yrs @ $18M AAV
    RP Chris Martin 2 yrs @ $7M AAV
    C Jason Castro 2 yrs @ $5M AAV
    OF Matt Joyce 1 yr @ $1M

    Trade out:
    Ender Inciarte
    Kyle Wright

    Trade in:
    Starling Marté 1 yr @ $11.5M (with 2021 option @ $12.5M)

    For a total starting payroll of just $145,844,375, I can field this Opening Day lineup for 2020:

    Rotation:
    Zack Wheeler (R)
    Mike Soroka (R)
    Madison Bumgarner (L)
    Max Fried (L)
    Mike Foltynewicz (R)

    Bullpen:
    Mark Melancon (Closer)
    Shane Greene
    Chris Martin
    Sean Newcomb (L)
    Grant Dayton (L)
    Jacob Webb
    Darren O’Day
    Bryse Wilson

    Go-to Lineup:
    Ronald Acuña, Jr., RF (R)
    Ozzie Albies, 2B (S)
    Freddie Freeman, 1B (L)
    Starling Marté, CF (R)
    Nick Markakis, LF (L platoon)
    Austin Riley, 3B (R)
    Dansby Swanson, SS (R)
    Jason Castro, C (L)

    Bench:
    Tyler Flowers, C (R)
    Adam Duvall, LF (R platoon)
    Charlie Culberson, IF/OF (R)
    Johan Camargo, IF/OF (S)
    Matt Joyce, OF (L)

    Folks, I believe that dog will hunt. That is a dominating starting rotation, and the bullpen ain’t too shabby either.

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  21. 32 Vox O'Reasoñ November 13, 2019 at 11:04 am

    AA spoke to the media in Scottsdale yesterday, and here are some excerpts via beat writer Gabe Burns:

    When asked about Donaldson: “Normally I would speak on it, but I’m not going to get into free agents.” — He is obviously still stinging from the spanking he got from the player’s union last week.

    “The internal (options at 3B) are Riley and Camargo. So obviously if the season was to start today, those are the guys on the roster. They’d compete. We’ll see if we add from the outside.” — It’s good to have options.

    “Those are all nice things,” Anthopoulos said of starters with bigger resumes and track records. “But generally speaking, we just evaluate players based on what we think they’ll do for us. Added experience is always a nice thing to have. I wouldn’t say it drives anything but it’s better to have it than not.” — All typical GM-speak. He’s not going to say anything that can be misinterpreted. Especially after his lashing.

    “You’re hoping with all this other young talent we have on the mound, another one or two guys take a step forward. That might be spring training. It might be midseason. You don’t know when they’re going to come, but we do believe in the talent long-term.” — More typical GM-speak.

    Anthopoulos doesn’t feel this trade market is particularly different from past years.“Same as any other year. Sometimes names are reported correctly, incorrectly, but at the outset of the offseason, clubs are pretty open-minded about trades. It’s a long winter. We tend to forget this is just the beginning of it. Trades happen so late in the winter now, it just takes time. It doesn’t feel any different than past offseasons.” — Stealth GM reveals nothing.

    As for acquiring a player with only a year or two left on his deal: “It all depends on who the player is. You’re always weighing short-term, long-term. You’d rather get players with control, but if you feel like at that acquisition cost, even if it’s a short-term player – you’d prefer not to have a player short term, but we don’t have any set rules. We’re open to anything. Generally speaking, everyone would rather have more control.” — More typical GM-speak. Maintaining his ninja reputation.

    Anthopoulos was clear they want their young backstops to be depth, not relied upon. They’re searching for a veteran player to join Flowers.“I don’t know who that’s going to be yet. That’s obviously on our list. We’d like for our kids to be our depth. (Alex) Jackson right now is our next man up. (William) Contreras is eligible to be put on the 40-man this offseason. But we’d like to get someone with experience, established and so on.” — That is about as specific as anything we’ll hear him say all offseason, but it’s not anything we didn’t already know.

    So in other words, we don’t know anything more after his media time than we did before. And we don’t know anything more from my post than we did before. And if it weren’t for the time I have invested in typing this all out, I’d just delete it. But it’s already here, so here it is.

    I apologize. This is alot of words with no real information revealed. Just like most of today’s media.

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  22. 33 berigan2electricboogaloo November 13, 2019 at 11:34 am

    As for Folty, just remember this, Corey Kluber when he was 26, was 2-5 with a 5.12 era. Wasn’t til he was 27 he turned it around. well, 11-5 3.85. Not really ace yet, was he? 28 , 18-9., 2.44 ERA. what are you going to realistically get for Folty? besides a bit of savings?

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    • 34 Vox O'Reasoñ November 13, 2019 at 11:40 am

      what are you going to realistically get for Folty? besides a bit of savings?

      You don’t trade him just for the sake of trading him… but you aren’t afraid to include him if it’s necessary.

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  23. 35 Vox O'Reasoñ November 13, 2019 at 1:01 pm

    Alot of chatter today about the Astros cheating scandal.

    And in case you haven’t heard the details, former ‘Stros pitcher Mike Fiers yesterday admitted on the record that the Astros had a camera set up in CF that sent a special video feed to a monitor in the hallway just outside their dugout during their successful World Series run in 2017. The video feed zoomed in on the opposing catcher to pick up his signs. Once those signs were put down, ‘Stros staff in the hallway would bang on garbage cans to signal to the batter which pitches were coming.

    Y’all, that’s egregious.

    I know sign stealing has been going on since signs started being used. And I always feel what a team can pick up on between the lines is their own business. By the same token, if a pitcher takes offense to a baserunner relaying signs to a batter, that pitcher has the right to, uh… “correct” said baserunner next time he comes up to the plate. It’s called gamesmanship.

    But setting up a camera in CF is another matter. That’s just plain cheating… period.

    What I want to know is this: When all the info comes down, and we know who knew what and when they knew it… what punishment will MLB hand down? And if you want to know why it matters to me… well, I can sum it up in 2 words: John Coppolella. Yes, Coppy was stupid, and he cheated. And he paid a hefty price for it. He’s been banned for life from the game he loves. But did his cheating have a direct result in the outcome of a game? And not just any game, either. Did his cheating have a direct result on the outcome of a World Series game?

    If Coppy is banned for life for obtaining players that might, if they even make a ML lineup, might have an actual impact several years down the road – and at best they may help win an extra 5 or 6 games – then what will be the punishment for stealing a championship?

    I want to know.

    And if those with knowledge of those appalling activities aren’t given the same treatment John Coppolella got, then baseball needs to apologize to everyone in Braves Country, starting with Coppy himself.

    As a team, the Braves are still reeling from the effects of the int’l signing penalties. How will MLB punish the Astros as a team?

    I want to know.

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    • 36 carolinalady November 13, 2019 at 1:37 pm

      Heartily agree, V! That one is waaaay too far over the line! Shame on them. Next to the Braves, the Astros were my favorite team. I’m terribly disappointed in them. Integrity is far, far greater than any championship. If you have to cheat in order to win, you aren’t a champion. You’re just another cheat.

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    • 37 berigan2electricboogaloo November 13, 2019 at 1:50 pm

      interesting point V. Makes one wonder about how the Cards beat Folty and Friend like drums…I have wondered if at the very least they picked up something in their gloves to pitches, etc. Of course, thats legal, but if they did something like the ‘stros….

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    • 38 Gil in Mechanicsville November 13, 2019 at 5:52 pm

      Okay, I may be in the minority here but until MLB makes sign stealing against the rules, no rules were broken. If is officially against the rules, punish the front office.

      I have not forgotten the Twins turning on the AC when Braves were at bat (created resistance) and off when the Twinks came up to bat.

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  24. 39 Vox O'Reasoñ November 13, 2019 at 3:34 pm

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  25. 40 Vox O'Reasoñ November 13, 2019 at 4:36 pm

    Well, duh.

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    • 41 Vox O'Reasoñ November 13, 2019 at 4:40 pm

      It needs to be noted that JDon signed early last year… on Nov. 26 if I’m not mistaken. He’s obviously not afraid to strike ahead of the pack. If he sees a number he likes, he won’t necessarily wait for a “market to develop”. On the other hand, I’m sure he and AA have open communication, and that he’ll give AA the chance to match an enticing offer. The question is, will AA be willing to match?

      We’ll see, right?

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  26. 42 Vox O'Reasoñ November 13, 2019 at 4:51 pm

    Priority 1? Over pitching? Is that wise?

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  27. 43 Vox O'Reasoñ November 14, 2019 at 7:46 am

    Much manufactured chatter out there in the last couple of days.

    Yes, manufactured chatter. Basically, it’s a steady stream of writers telling you that teams have interest in certain players who could fill certain positions where they have an obvious need.

    Is it much ado about nothing, or much “duh” about everything?

    Or both?

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    • 44 Gil in Mechanicsville November 14, 2019 at 8:50 am

      “manufactured chatter” Also known as click bait…

      So, many folks would like to add high profile players to their inventory but truthfully, unless you are New York, Boston or LA, your fan base demographic doesn’t support the cost. Even so, tying up big money to pay a star player is like going all in on a full house. Yes, it is a winning hand in most cases but not in every case. We have seen what can happen with one up and in fastball too many times to think you are immune to catastrophe.

      As for the Braves third base situation, it is not as if they don’t have options.

      Speaking of which, whoever was the hitting instructor at Gwinnett, they don’t pay him enough.

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  28. 45 Gil in Mechanicsville November 14, 2019 at 8:55 am

    Sign stealing or tipping pitched??? Hard to know which is which these days. There is just too much money to leave things to chance. Everyone is looking for an edge. No wonder so may managers get fired each year.

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    • 46 Vox O'Reasoñ November 14, 2019 at 9:31 am

      I can’t tell you how many times I watched the Fox baseball TV broadcast, saw the catcher put down signs, and wondered why the opposing team didn’t have someone watching the same broadcast I was watching.

      If a pitcher is tipping his pitches, then he needs to fix it. If a catcher is allowing baserunners to pick up on his signs, then he needs to fix it. That’s on them. I’m not sure how you combat advanced technology, except the make the penalties so severe as to dissuade future attempts to use it. That’s one of the reasons I’m so interested to see how MLB handles this case. I won’t be surprised to see them really drop the hammer.

      And it goes beyond the Astros now.

      The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal and Evan Drellich were reporting last night that current Astros manager AJ Hinch, current BoSox manager Alex Cora, and newly minted Mets manager Carlos Beltrán are all in the crosshairs of MLB investigators. Both Cora and Beltrán were on the 2017 Astros team, Cora as bench coach and Beltrán as DH.

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  29. 47 Gordon Lawrence November 14, 2019 at 11:26 am

    A – Infield questions:
    Reading about landing spots for RENDON [29], DONALDSON [33], and MOUSTAKAS [31].
    1 – RENDON will want too long a contract for the BRAVES to pursue and for too much money.
    2 – DONALDSON has rejected a 17.8m QO with the BRAVES and is currently mulling other offers.
    Some prognosticators pontificate he will command 25m per for a minimum of four.
    That’s very rich territory for an infielder.
    Letting DONALDSON go, and getting back a draft pick is not the worse way to go for the BRAVES.
    We are beginning to feel the effects of the recruiting penalties, and an extra pick would be most beneficial.
    3 – The ATHLETIC seems to think Moose will sign with TEXAS for 36m over three years.
    Moose should be heavily pursued by ATLANTA.
    12m per for three is peanuts for the production he’s exhibited while in MILWAUKEE, plus he’s 31.
    I’ve been advocating for MOUSTAKAS since the WS was over.
    I do believe he is the one 3B we should invest in for the next several years.
    When the bidding is over, I could see him as a BRAVE @ 18 -19m per for three years.
    That would give requisite time for RILEY, and possibly ALEXANDER to develop in their own right.

    B – Catching:
    Beyond 3B, behind the plate we need yet another platoon partner for FLOWERS.
    Who?
    TRAVIS D’ARNAUD maybe.
    Other than pitch framing, I haven’t see too much negative regarding his play.
    I don’t see the crew letting both Moose and GRANDAL slip thru their fingers this off-season.

    C – Starting pitching:
    With KEUCHAL and TEHERAN gone, MIKE SOROKA [21], MAX FRIED [25], MIKE FOLTYNEWICZ [27], SEAN NEWCOMB [26] are what we have in starting pitching to begin the off-season.
    Not too shabby, but not quite what we need to win a WS.
    ZACH WHEELER [29] in the middle of the rotation could bring stability to the rotation to win it all in 2020.
    Not a top-flight #1 starter, but good enough to keep us in pressure games until the offense and bullpen take over.

    D – Relief pitching:
    CHRIS MARTIN [33] is a FA.
    Despite the cost, I still believe him to be the best of the late season gets for the ‘pen, and worth signing.
    SWARZAK is gone, and thank god for that.
    Despite being effective, MARK MELANCON [34] is showing his age, and SHANE GREENE [30] was just so-so.
    After finding his bearings, I firmly believe MARTIN was the one consistently effective relief arm we got in 2019.
    Outside of MARTIN, in FA WIL SMITH [29] comes to mind.
    Despite a mixed career, SMITH has been excellent as a closer of late.
    If SEAN NEWCOMB [26] moves back into the rotation, we would need another arm for the bullpen.
    With SMITH under contract, MELANCON [34] could be moved off the closer hot seat.
    In that case, we could put all our eggs in the SMITH-GREENE closer basket and let MARTIN walk.
    Down on the farm, PATRICK WEIGEL [25] showed enough as a recovering TJ arm to find a ‘pen job.
    JACOB WEBB [25] is a prospect worth keeping for 2020 as well.
    A.J. MINTER [25] had a horrific year, and may be done in the bullpen for 2020.
    LUKE JACKSON [27], and GRANT DAYTON [31], are arb eligible.
    Presumably, they will be signed, and DARREN O’DAY [36] has already been inked for 2020.
    JACKSON
    DAYTON
    O’DAY
    [SMITH]
    GREENE
    MELANCON
    WEIGEL
    WEBB
    might be the way we start 2020 in the bullpen.

    So four gets are needed, at least to my pea-brain:

    C – TRAVIS d’ARNAUD
    3B MIKE MOUSTAKAS
    SP – ZACH WHEELER
    RP – WIL SMITH

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    • 48 Vox O'Reasoñ November 14, 2019 at 11:35 am

      I like d’Arnaud more and more as I look at the field. I also like Moose and Wheeler. I’d prefer another starter over the reliever Smith. I believe the rotation to be key. And I think if we can bring Martin back into the fold we have a fairly stout bullpen. We definitely can address the pen with internal options better than we can the rotation.

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    • 49 Gil in Mechanicsville November 14, 2019 at 4:41 pm

      Starting pitching:… Everyone should keep in mind the old adage, Any team planning to be competitive for a title and thus the World Series, they must have at least 7 major league ready pitchers in their inventory.

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  30. 50 Vox O'Reasoñ November 14, 2019 at 11:31 am

    What if…

    What if the Braves spend big to bring back the Bringer Of Rain, as they have apparently made their priority? What if they do that, and the consequences are that they can only sign 1 free agent pitcher? What if they aren’t willing to spend what it will take to pay both BOR and one of the top 4 pitchers, being Gerrit Cole, Stephen Strasburg, Zack Wheeler or Madison Bumgarner? What if the best they can do is Kyle Gibson or Michael Pineda, a #3 at best on the current staff.

    Could the Braves roll with a rotation of Soroka, Fried, Pineda, Folty and one of Newcomb/Wright/Wilson?

    I think AA wants to bring back the Bringer, add Mad, and steal Wheels. But I don’t know that Liberty Media, er… I mean Terry McGuirk will sign off on it. Because McGuirk has autonomy to make he decisions, right? R-i-g-h-t.

    I worry that AA is still capped below what we are guessing. After all, until Liberty Media proves otherwise, the ownership track record is to limit the financial freedom.

    But… we are just guessing. It’d just be nice to have a clue.

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  31. 51 Vox O'Reasoñ November 14, 2019 at 11:41 am

    The wild card in all our prognosticating is the trade market. AA isn’t going to try to plug all of our holes through FA spending. It just isn’t practical to try to do so. There will be a trade; maybe more than just 1. And to whom for whom is the great mystery. It’s even a mystery as to which position(s) might be addressed via trade.

    I imagine we’ll stay pretty much in the cold until much closer to the Winter Meetings next month. There might be a random FA spark before then, but those meetings are typically when the wood in the stove begins to catch fire.

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  32. 52 Vox O'Reasoñ November 14, 2019 at 1:43 pm

    Is there a Carolina Lady impostor among us? We all know there is only one Carolina Lady, yet two are appearing. A clone? A minion? A wannabe?

    Surely there is a more reasonable explanation that I’m missing…

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  33. 56 berigan2electricboogaloo November 14, 2019 at 2:00 pm

    according to MLBTB “experts” more teams this year than last are under pressure to take it to the next level. Padres, White Sox, Rangers, and of course the Phillies still… Twins may for once splurge .. and some of those teams won’t lose a #1 draft pick either..so…unless you are willing to outbid, go more years, things I just cannot see ownership allowing that to happen, we may not be able to get what we want. (I do believe the Stones said something a bit like that before in a song)
    Ok, I think I mentioned this before….let’s say you want to go the trade route then. Who is a 1, 1a kind of guy that some team is going to give up for a few of our prized prospects? Kluber if Cleveland is truly willing to let him go, and??????

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    • 57 Vox O'Reasoñ November 14, 2019 at 2:59 pm

      Well, it’s not a #1 you lose, but your 3rd highest pick. Still a high one, but not a #1…

      But think of it this way. If you make a trade, you have to give up something too, right? It might be a current player, or a prospect. But it’s an asset either way. And maybe even one that is proven to be of major league quality.

      If I identify a guy that I think will help me win now, I don’t want to get too hung up on a draft pick that might not even pan out in the end anyway.

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    • 60 Vox O'Reasoñ November 14, 2019 at 3:00 pm

      One more thing…

      If I were in charge, I’d buy my pitchers and trade for my hitters. But that’s just me.

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  34. 61 Vox O'Reasoñ November 14, 2019 at 2:54 pm

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  35. 63 Vox O'Reasoñ November 14, 2019 at 5:35 pm

    Wow!! Totally unexpected!

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  36. 64 Vox O'Reasoñ November 14, 2019 at 5:53 pm

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  37. 65 Vox O'Reasoñ November 14, 2019 at 5:59 pm

    Wonder if adding the talented lefty will enable the Braves to transition Newk back to the rotation? Probably can’t add 2 starters now.

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  38. 66 Gordon Lawrence November 15, 2019 at 1:18 am

    RP – SMITH
    C – WEITERS
    3B – MOUSTAKAS
    SP – trade

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  39. 67 Gil in Mechanicsville November 15, 2019 at 7:45 am

    Oh no, not Weiters….

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    • 68 Gordon Lawrence November 15, 2019 at 9:40 am

      What’s wrong with WEITERS?
      16 HR, .748 OPS in 2019

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      • 69 Gordon Lawrence November 15, 2019 at 9:45 am

        Anyway I ranked my FA choices
        i – TRAVIS d’ARNAUD
        ii – MATT WEITERS
        iii – AUSTIN ROMINE
        used to date a ROMINE transplant from SEVEIRVILLE, TENNESSEE in college. Always said she went to school with DOLLY PARTON.

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      • 70 Gil in Mechanicsville November 15, 2019 at 9:52 am

        What, you didn’t see him play for the O’s or the gNats? Not a very good receiver nor a clutch hitter. I would rather have Cervilli back.

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  40. 71 Gil in Mechanicsville November 15, 2019 at 8:00 am

    I was thinking about the article on the AJC this morning discussing the Braves current and projected payroll. My thoughts are how management has been able to manipulate the thought processes of Atlanta fans into believing they are too poor to afford high priced players.

    It is like living in a Dilbert cartoon…. A sign in a speed shop I once frequented read ” Speed cost money, how fast do you want to go?” Well, how bad do they want to win? Now, I am a realist and I do understand the economics of the game but I also know a winning team is wealthier than a perennial loser. TV revenue, gate prices, attendance, concessions and club house store sale all play a part.

    If Washington can afford it with one of the smallest fan base in the country, surely Atlanta can stay in the game. So, what is not being figured is how much is the Atlanta franchise really worth? Double the Miami franchise I would bet. If Tampa is ever granted permission to leave, it would be worth more as a large portion of their fan base would be returned.

    So, Liberty Media, if you are worried about the cost, sell the team, I am pretty sure you will recover your investment but to be honest, I am sick to death with the Braves always crying “poor mouth” …

    The do not have to pay stupid money but they do have to pay competitive wages to have a winner.

    Stepping off my soap box now.

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    • 72 Vox O'Reasoñ November 15, 2019 at 8:43 am

      So, Liberty Media, if you are worried about the cost, sell the team, I am pretty sure you will recover your investment

      They have this team for the tax advantages. That’s all. There is also the fact that they themselves are a media conglomerate. If they can wait out the horrible, almost scandalous TV deal the Braves are currently saddled with, they can reap a major windfall by owning their own programming.

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    • 73 Vox O'Reasoñ November 15, 2019 at 8:45 am

      That said, as a pure free market economy advocate, I do not begrudge then the freedom to use their asset to the highest possible profit margin they choose. That’s their business. But it does suck for the consumer for sure.

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    • 74 Vox O'Reasoñ November 15, 2019 at 9:27 am

      Gil, I think the most important paragraph in that whole article is this one:

      Exactly how [the Braves have left to spend] much isn’t clear because (a) the Braves don’t disclose their budget in advance and haven’t said if the payroll will increase significantly from the 2019 level, which ranked 14th among MLB teams; (b) the Braves typically set aside some of their budget for in-season additions; and (c) trades and non-tenders could free up additional money by shedding salaries.

      In other words, as much as we want to speculate on how much they will or won’t spend, we have no idea what they might actually do. Just because they were 14th in spending in 2019 doesn’t mean they are targeting to sit right in the middle again. We simply have no idea.

      I may absolutely choose to grouse and moan in February if the payroll hasn’t improved, and consequently neither has the team. But I think there’s at least an equal chance for the Braves to surprise me and move up in the line.

      And to be honest, I believe yesterday’s surprising – almost shocking – signing portends a more positive outcome. For AA to publicly state that the rotation and 3B are his priorities, then land a big fish for the bullpen leads me to believe he still intends to do something significant for the rotation at the very least.

      And my mantra still holds: Buy pitching; trade for hitting.

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      • 75 Gordon Lawrence November 15, 2019 at 9:37 am

        I remember feeling that way after the DONALDSON signing last year.
        I hope AA realizes now that he was one dollar and one day short of a WS championship with that one big move.
        Come on GM, bust a move one more time at 3B, C, or SP.
        Gotta’ up the ante a notch, and we should be in the fall classic.

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        • 76 Vox O'Reasoñ November 15, 2019 at 10:06 am

          Yes, and their 2019 payroll number was a fair bit higher than their 2018 number, too.

          Not counting mid-season additions, 2018 Opening Day payroll: $130,649,395
          Not counting mid-season additions, 2019 Opening Day payroll: $143,947,963

          … or an additional $13,298,568. And that was before we added Melancon ($14M) and friends mid-season.

          If we can add another $13M to last year, that’ll give us much closer to $160M, which is a very fair amount to work with.

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  41. 77 Gil in Mechanicsville November 15, 2019 at 8:32 am

    Now some “stuff”… While I know Gordon is a fan of the Spiders, I am a proud peacock today following VCU’s 84-82 win over #23 ranked LSU Wed night. That is a pretty major win for a mid major.

    Okay, back to baseball…

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    • 78 Gordon Lawrence November 15, 2019 at 9:32 am

      Now GIL I was a b-ball season multi-ticket holder of the RAMS from 1977 to 1992. In 1992, it was becoming increasingly expensive to own blocks of them, and my wife went to work at the University of Richmond. She like basketball, and wanted to retain the U of R tix, so I acceded to her wishes, and dropped the dozen I had from VCU.
      Over the years I enjoyed JESSE DARK, BERNIE HARRIS, GERALD HENDERSON, “Easy” ED SHEROD, and coach J.D. BARNETT’s adapted use of the “Mongoose” offense played to perfection without a shot clock. Anyway, since becoming a grad of RICHMOND, and VIRGINIA COMMONWEALTH being a power in the same conference, I’ve been a Spider loser. At this point in my life, the old edge of collegiate competition is gone, and I’m only left with memories of “The Doctor” JULIUS ERVING down at the coliseum.
      Still, as an old supported, I feel your pride in the victory over a perennial power in collegiate athletics.
      My oldest grandson took his first recruiting trip to the VCU campus to meet the now deceased HC of the RAMS back in 2013.

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  42. 79 Gordon Lawrence November 15, 2019 at 9:11 am

    They got some relief from the original contract a couple years back.
    My thinking as to specifics is fuzzy because my short-term memory isn’t what it used to be.
    The original egregious contract runs out in 2027 I believe.

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  43. 80 Vox O'Reasoñ November 15, 2019 at 10:00 am

    I have poured over the numbers more times than any sane person should, and I understand where the payroll sits prior to any moves (any more moves) this offseason. There is still room to spend, whether those contract come via FA or trade.

    Plus, the addition of Smith eliminates any chance of the team bringing Chris Martin back, and that was going to eat about $7M out of my mock planned budget for 2020.

    Will Smith’s new deal will pay him $13M in 2020, just $6M more than Martin is projected to earn, and about what AA would pay for a veteran “innings eater” to pair with his splashy starter. For instance, Cole Hamels is projected to earn $15M next year.

    I think there is at least a fair to middling chance AA opts to spend more on pitching than the lineup. I believe all the chatter regarding Josh Donaldson coming back home is simply Alex putting out typical GM spin on his own star FA. All GM’s say they want their stars back. If history has told us anything with our current GM, he’ll practice wise stewardship with his resources, regardless of how much or little he has to spend.

    I no longer believe he’ll give JDon the $45M over 3 years he’ll command elsewhere… and that number may be conservative. AA won’t do that when he can spend more wisely on Mike Moustakas at the most, or simply Johan Camargo and Austin Riley at the least.

    Which combination will give the Braves a greater chance at more wins… both in the regular season and in the post-season: Soroka/Bumgarner/Hamels/Fried/Folty with Moose at 3B, or Soroka/Bumgarner/Fried/Folty/Wade Miley with JDon at 3B?

    Give me the strong rotation!

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  44. 82 Vox O'Reasoñ November 15, 2019 at 10:00 am

    MLBTR ranks the following FA’s as follows, with salary projections and 2019 stats:
    5. Josh Donaldson, 3B = 3 yrs / $75M ($25M AAV), 2019: .259/.379/.521, 37 HR
    8. Nicholas Castellanos, LF = 4 yrs / $58M ($14.5M AAV), 2019: .321/.356/.646, 36 HR
    18. Mike Moustakas, 3B = 2 yrs / $20M ($10M AAV), 2019: .254/.329/.516, 35 HR

    I threw the OF’er Castellanos in for comparison purposes of what you can “buy” a cleanup hitter for.

    You can pay both Hamels and Moose for what JDon will cost. I’ll take that option please.

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    • 83 Gil in Mechanicsville November 15, 2019 at 10:09 am

      Or you could still play Camargo at third. Not like he isn’t a good fielder. I know, he makes for a stronger bench but you have to back fill where you can.

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      • 84 Gil in Mechanicsville November 15, 2019 at 10:15 am

        Signing Castellanos would make Riley available for trade. I expect he will get some of his late season failings under control this winter. He had trouble recognizing the steady diet of down and away sliders he was being throw which contributed to his slide. He is a young kid who did not see the same level of pitching expertise in Triple A as he became exposed in the Show. He did have a pretty amazing month though.

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        • 85 Vox O'Reasoñ November 15, 2019 at 10:19 am

          Signing Castellanos would make Riley available for trade.

          Adding Castellanos’ power to LF would also make it easier to play Camargo’s glove at 3B until such time Riley might be ready… if he’s not traded.

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  45. 86 Gil in Mechanicsville November 15, 2019 at 10:05 am

    Okay, back to baseball…. Yes, it was indeed a surprise to sign Will Smith and a pleasant one at that. It also means that bringing back Martin might not be in the cards. It also keeps the gNats and the Phillies from boosting their shaky bullpens with a very strong lefty.

    It also increases the possibility that Melancon could be traded or included as part of a deal to pare payroll room. I am not so sure Mark is a guy you need to bring in except to start off with a clean inning. Lots of moving parts this time of the year.

    Did MLB change the reliever rules for 2020 so a pitcher had to face more than one batter?

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    • 87 Vox O'Reasoñ November 15, 2019 at 10:12 am

      Yes, beginning in 2020, all pitchers will be required to pitch to a 3-batter minimum or though the end of a half-inning, with exceptions for injuries or “incapacitating illness”.

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      • 88 Gil in Mechanicsville November 15, 2019 at 10:19 am

        Well, bullpen arms just became more valuable didn’t they? No more loogies? I guess MLB didn’t think there was enough offense with just the juiced baseballs… Look for them to squelch the shift next .

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    • 89 Vox O'Reasoñ November 15, 2019 at 10:17 am

      It also means that bringing back Martin might not be in the cards.

      Definitely not happening now.

      It also increases the possibility that Melancon could be traded or included as part of a deal

      That was one of the first things I thought when I heard about the Smith deal. And Mark would be a very good ingredient to help bring back a starting catcher or OF’er in a trade.

      I am not so sure Mark is a guy you need to bring in except to start off with a clean inning.

      I have to admit that while I do believe he did a very good job for us after he got here last year, I was never comfortable when he came into a game until that last out was recorded.

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      • 90 Gil in Mechanicsville November 15, 2019 at 10:23 am

        Whether rightly or wrongly, I still would rather have a swing and miss guy pitching the ninth. So many things can go wrong with a batted ball put in play. I still have nightmares over Brooks Conrad in the field. The ball somehow always found him no matter where he was inserted in the infield.

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  46. 91 Vox O'Reasoñ November 15, 2019 at 10:22 am

    I just had a thought…

    While unlikely, if the Braves were to sign Mike Moustakas and Nick Castellanos, to go with Nick Markakis, they might run out of K’s and S’s in the uniform room. 😆

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  47. 95 Vox O'Reasoñ November 15, 2019 at 10:33 am

    Bowman: By signing Will Smith, the Braves strengthened their bullpen and provided more indication they will remain aggressive while addressing their other definitive needs

    I hope his assessment is correct.

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  48. 96 Vox O'Reasoñ November 15, 2019 at 10:38 am

    Roster Resource projects Luke Jackson is projected to earn $1.9M in his first trip to arb. I wonder if the Braves will consider him displaced in the bullpen now and choose to non-tender him so as to redirect that $2M elsewhere?

    If I were him I wouldn’t be signing any long term apartment leases.

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  49. 98 Vox O'Reasoñ November 15, 2019 at 11:10 am

    Did it go unnoticed here in Braves Country that the Blue Jays met with FA catcher Yasmani Grandal a few days ago?

    Why should that interest us? Because the Jays have a couple of interesting young backstops already on their roster in Danny Jansen and Reese McGuire.

    Jansen is just 24 and handled the bulk of the work behind the plate for the Jays last season catching 107 games, but slashing just .207/.279/.360 with 13 HR’s. Still he reportedly showed excellent defensive prowess in his 1st full MLB campaign… both StatCorner and Baseball Prospectus rank Jansen as one of the league’s best pitch-framers, with BP also highly praising his blocking skills.

    McGuire, also 24, got a good taste of MLB last season when he slashed .299/.346/.526 with 5 HR’s in 30 games. But he’s not necessarily known for his offense. His prospect profile says: Defense will always be the driving force behind McGuire’s game. He’s an excellent blocker and receiver, who’s been praised for his game-calling and feel for managing a pitching staff at every stop in his career. His arm strength is above-average but plays up because he’s technically sound, he has a quick release and consistently delivers accurate throws. Still, he has shown he could be a capable hitter in his brief audition, as is evidenced by the above numbers.

    Defense got each of these youngsters to The Show, so any offense you get from either of them is probably a bonus. If the Braves covet a defense-first catcher, one of these kids could fit the bill. And both are still in their pre-arb years, meaning they would be cheap.

    I’ll take either of these defensive youngsters to solidify my catching and enhance my up-the-middle defense.

    The Jays need starting pitching, and are losing their closer in FA. Wonder where they might find those things? If they are willing to take the entirety of Melancon’s $14M deal, they might get Kyle Wright to go along with him. That could be a win for both sides.

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  50. 99 Gordon Lawrence November 15, 2019 at 11:29 am

    BULLPEN:
    I’m assuming the two arb eligibles will be included in the spring bullpen.
    LUKE JACKSON [27]
    GRANT DAYTON [31]
    DARREN O’DAY [36] signed
    SHANE GREENE [30] under contract
    MARK MELANCON [34] under contract
    now WIL SMITH [29] signed for three
    PATRICK WEIGEL [25] showing signs of his old self before TJ
    JACOB WEBB [25] excellent in ATLANTA in 2019
    SEAN NEWCOMB [26] to the rotation
    CHRIS MARTIN [33] to the bricks
    CHAD SOBOTKA [25] repeat the course in AAA
    Zerox A.J. MINTER [25]
    HUSCAR YNOA [21] ready five in GWINNETT
    Pen got younger for longer and more effective off history with SMITH in and MARTIN out.

    ROTATION:
    MIKE SOROKA [22]
    MAX FRIED [25]
    MIKE FOLTYNEWICZ [27]
    SEAN NEWCOMB [26]
    I believe a trade to bring in a strong mid-rotation arm.
    Don’t know who.
    JULIO TEHERAN only as a last gasp fall-back move if still on the market.
    Both ZACH WHEELER [my choice] and MADISON BUMGARNER are QO’d.
    Out of the running now that the BRAVES lost a Comp B pick with WIL SMITH in the house.

    3B:
    I firmly believe they will go hard after MIKE MOUSTAKAS early.
    If successful, they will let DONALDSON move on.
    To my mind, it’s all about the draft pick they get back if JD moves on.
    The BRAVES need picks while under this restriction.
    They probably have a verbal understanding that DONALDSON will continue to field offers until AA makes a decision on Moose, but with an early deadline.
    If nothing transpires with Moose, BRAVES will eat the draft loss and re-sign JD.
    JOHAN CAMARGO makes the bench.
    AUSTIN RILEY platoons in LF or reports to AAA.

    CATCHER:
    my three choices;
    i – TRAVIS d’ARNAUD [30] 16 HR .745 OPS – I think him an upgrade because of age.
    retired – BRIAN McCANN [35] 12 HR .734 OPS.
    ii – AUSTIN ROMINE [30] 8 HR .748 OPS 2019 – ditto.
    iii- MATT WEITERS [33] 11 HR .702 OPS 2019 – a last resort placeholder.

    OUTFIELD:
    LF NICK MARKAKIS/ADAM DUVALL or AUSTIN RILEY
    My chips on DUVALL with RILEY repeating the course on AAA.
    AUSTIN needs AB’s to get right at the plate.
    CF ENDER INCIARTE
    RF RON ACUNA Jr/MATT JOYCE
    26 players in 2020.
    DREW WATERS apprenticing in AAA
    CRISTIAN PACHE apprenticing in AAA

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    • 100 Vox O'Reasoñ November 15, 2019 at 12:28 pm

      I like d’Arnaud. Good value for $7M. Slashed .251/.312/.433 with 14 HR’s in 2019, as compared to Mac’s .249/.323/.412 and 12. And as Gordon stated, at age 30 he can catch 120 games. His offense aside, he threw out an above average 29% of would-be basestealers last season and has long been considered an average or better pitch framer, a quality we know is coveted by this organization.

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  51. 101 Vox O'Reasoñ November 15, 2019 at 2:23 pm

    I keep hearing Mike Moustakas’ name gaining momentum. I am starting to think that 2 yrs / $20M is gonna fall short. He’ll likely get a higher value over 2, or 3 yrs / $30.

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    • 102 Vox O'Reasoñ November 15, 2019 at 2:25 pm

      I’d offer him 3 yrs / $30M early, and see if he’d bite on the extra guaranteed year. Then if Riley is ready to step up in 2021, you still have 2 years of control and cost certainty as a trade asset.

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      • 103 Gil in Mechanicsville November 15, 2019 at 3:09 pm

        Yes, reasonable contracts are always in demand. Would not be surprised to see Camargo in as a defensive sub in games late if Moose is opted for.

        I don’t think there is any question Donaldson will get a strong offer. We will not see a repeat of 2019 in the free agent market. As far as bringing him back vs a 2nd roundish draft pick, a win-win for the Braves. I just don’t want to see him going to Philly.

        He won’t go to Washington because Rendon will re-sign with the gNats.

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  52. 105 Gil in Mechanicsville November 15, 2019 at 3:12 pm

    So… how many folks in baseball punditry took notice of the Braves signing of Will Smith? Do y’all think it moved the needle on the Braves repeat-o-meter?

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  53. 107 Vox O'Reasoñ November 15, 2019 at 3:16 pm

    OK, so deviating from the sane to the not-so-sane…

    I just read a fantasy (not in the baseball sense) trade on another site. How realistic would this be?

    This guy used an online tool called Baseball Trade Values to put together this “blockbuster” trade between the Braves and Cubs. He’s says: “With five years of control combined between them, [3B Kris] Bryant and [C Willson] Contreras have a combined value of 43.2. The haul the Cubs would get back would be Bryse Wilson (15.1), Touki Toussaint (11.7), Tucker Davidson (9.9), Patrick Weigel (3.7), and Grayson Jenista (3.3). That equals 43.7.”

    First, there has been some media speculation that the Cubs could trade one of those two veterans to help bolster their upper minors. No one has even whispered they’d trade both. And all of it is pure speculation. But even if they would do the inconceivable and trade both… for that group of prospects?

    Yes please. I’d do that deal all day long.

    It’ll never happen. I don’t even know why I’m wasting my time and typing to post this here.

    Feel free to ignore if you want.

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    • 108 Gil in Mechanicsville November 15, 2019 at 3:29 pm

      Hey, it is almost winter and there is little else to do unless you are a political wonk and you like making up stuff…

      However, I would not be at all surprised to see a deal made for either Bryant or Contreras. Either one would fill a need and Bryse Wilson could be a logical part of the package. It is still so early though and I know agents are loath to sign too quickly. It is a tricky game of chicken methinks…

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  54. 110 Vox O'Reasoñ November 15, 2019 at 3:21 pm

    Bowman:

    Q: Does the signing of Will Smith mean the Braves are out on Josh Donaldson?

    A: Absolutely not. You can’t make this kind of financial commitment to your bullpen and then ignore the gaping hole that would exist if Donaldson doesn’t return. By signing Smith to his three-year, $40 million deal on Thursday, the Braves actually provided indication they will spend more freely this offseason.

    Let’s hope he’s correct in his assessment.

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    • 111 Gordon Lawrence November 15, 2019 at 7:26 pm

      I would only stretch the $$$ that far in an extremity.
      By that I mean, AA is undoubtedly exploring exceptional bats like DONALDSON’s [MOUSTAKAS being one] that are millions cheaper that JD’s.
      If that fails in the month of November, he may give a thumbs up to DONALDSON and see if he is willing to remain a BRAVE.
      If so, he will have a best offer in hand to show AA.
      If not the BRAVES are in the extremity.
      They might have to drastically overpay a FA, or enter into a one-sided trade to patch the hole in the line-up created by DONALDSON’s absence.
      Meanwhile, I can see a trade for a starting arm, and a FA offer to a catcher.
      As for me, the sooner the better.

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  55. 112 Gil in Mechanicsville November 16, 2019 at 7:52 am

    One thing I have noticed is if you can get a player to sign sooner rather than later, you are more inclined to reap a bargain because as the selection lessens, the desperation is increased. I know we all pretty much were underwhelmed when AA signed J-Don last fall but after struggling early, he made most of us believers.

    So what is plan B? I am incline to believe The Braves are in better shape than most. What we don’t know is how much Riley’s injury affected him. Will he recognize the down and away breaking pitch enough to lay off of it? I think the real key is to be willing to go the other way more often. Same would be true for Acuna, ROJ would be a consistent 300 plus hitter if he would just cut down on his swing a tad.

    Too many time a kid falls in love with distance over consistency but wall scrapers count just as much as those monmouth 450 footers he so like to admire. The tip off is the act of going to his knees after a swing. A pitcher loves to see that effort because it makes a batter susceptible to off speed stuff.

    A lessor name to consider might be Turner who has run out his string in LA.

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  56. 114 Gordon Lawrence November 17, 2019 at 12:12 pm

    Lifted this from my comment on TOMAHAWK TAKE this a.m.
    Major needs for 2020, to my mind at least.
    In order of import, I believe:
    1 – Starting pitcher not named JULIO TEHERAN or DALLAS KEUCHEL.
    My chips are on ZACH WHEELER.
    Unfortunately, it appears that to secure him, AA has to make a move at 3B.
    Pitching is the one main area where a trade might be in the offing.
    2 – 3B
    I believe AA is heavily pursuing a replacement for JOSH DONALDSON.
    JD wants a huge retirement contract to lean on as he ages, hopefully gracefully.
    I think too much per year and for too long for AA to commit LIBERTY MEDIA’s $$$.
    My chips are on MIKE MOUSTAKAS @ 18 m for three with a fourth-year club option, and a buy-out if rejected.
    There are other bats I’m sure of which I am unaware.
    I don’t think that’s the case for AA and his staff.
    At any rate, letting DONALDSON walk brings with it a draft pick, sorely needed by the organization.
    Doubly so if a major trade involves minor’s talent for SP, or 3B.
    BRAVES get younger at 3B, and cheaper than DONALDSON would want.
    3 – Catcher
    I’ve ranked three in order of my personal preference.
    Any one of the following FA’s would fit I believe.
    a – TRAVIS d”ARNAUD [30]
    b – AUSTIN ROMINE [30]
    c – MATT WEITERS [33]
    With the first two, we get younger and cheaper.
    MATT WEITERS I would consider a placeholder only.
    4 – Outfield
    I do not believe the BRAVES are going to trade for a top-flight OF’er with three and possibly four OF prospects on the vine, two of whom are in AAA now.
    CRISTIAN PACHE [AAA] rated best defensive CF’er in the minors, possibly in the majors as well.
    DREW WATERS [AAA] higher rated bat with corner OF potential.
    TREY HARRIS [AA] ditto WATERS.
    GRAYSON JENISTA [AA] more problematic.
    Needs to step up offensively in 2020.
    His 2019 was lackluster in AA.
    If a trade, my horses would be INCIARTE and HARRIS.
    I don’t believe JENISTA’s value is high at this point.
    HARRIS is, but he’s in AA.
    INCIARTE is struggling offensively because of a bad back.
    He needs a solid spring to awaken interest by others, but I do believe he should be traded after 2020.
    Yes, DUVALL, MARKAKIS, RILEY in left is enough to give a BRAVES fan cold sweats, but may be necessary for one more year.
    Anyway my two cents on the four main areas that need to be addressed for 2020.

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  57. 119 Gil in Mechanicsville November 17, 2019 at 1:45 pm

    By the way, I am still a fan of Inciarte and agree he will likely get traded if for no other reason than to give room for payroll and allow Pache to play in 2020-21. I guess the dreaded “when healthy” tag might be attaching itself to Ender as far as value is concerned.

    I still shutter at the idea of adding Weiters to the Braves catching corps. No Charles Johnson is he…

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  58. 121 Vox O'Reasoñ November 17, 2019 at 7:34 pm

    Fangraphs ranked Matt Weiters 39th among all ML catchers in 2019.

    I’ll pass… thanks.

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  59. 122 Vox O'Reasoñ November 18, 2019 at 9:22 am

    MLB giving the finger to regular fans…

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  60. 123 Vox O'Reasoñ November 18, 2019 at 12:06 pm

    Very slow on the Braves news front… and really all MLB news. It will pick up a little bit Wednesday when the Rule 5 roster decisions have to be made. But honestly that’s just a bit of a ripple. I advise everyone to find a hobby until the Winter Meetings begin on Dec. 8. The news creep is likely to continue until then.

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  61. 124 Gordon Lawrence November 18, 2019 at 12:30 pm

    If negotiations hold up between MLB and MiLB, the APPALACHIAN and PIONEER Leagues would completely disappear.
    The BRAVES evidently want to scrap DANVILLE Rookie+, and FLORIDA A+.
    Didn’t somebody just build a brand new stadium in FLORIDA to accommodate the BRAVES’ affiliate?
    Who is on the hook for that chunk of change?
    I wonder if the BRAVES would transfer their GULF COAST LEAGUE affiliate in that event.
    Hey GIL we better head down to DANVILLE next season.
    It could be their last.
    Nice little ballfield down there BTW.

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    • 125 Vox O'Reasoñ November 18, 2019 at 1:02 pm

      The BRAVES evidently want to scrap DANVILLE Rookie+, and FLORIDA A+.

      Unless I’m mistaken, I don’t believe the Braves as an organization has anything to do with this. This is coming from the MLB executive offices. Certainly the Braves do not want to truncate their developmental system.

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    • 127 Gil in Mechanicsville November 19, 2019 at 8:48 am

      I look forward to it, perhaps we should look at doing a minor league tour. Even Colonial Whites is planning to have a minor league club next year and Fredricksburg’s new stadium should be done. Will be a gNats affiliate methinks. I know you went to Norfolk last year, would like to get an eyeball on some of the Braves youngsters (Waters and Pache).

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  62. 128 Gordon Lawrence November 18, 2019 at 9:40 pm

    GM hat on. Scenerio #2

    1 – SP trade
    RHSP KYLE WRIGHT
    RHRP TOUKI TOUSSAINT
    with CINCINNATI
    RHSP LUIS CASTILLO [26] 557,000 in 2019, new 1m contract arb 1 in 2020, control until 2024.
    2 – OF
    OF YASAIL PUIG [28] to a one-year 10m in 2020, .297 BA/.800 OPS in 2019 limited AB’s.
    One year not blocking PACHE or WATERS.
    Sign ADAM DUVALL [31] 3.8m in 2019, 4m in 2020, arb 3 in 2021, one year.
    ACUNA/INCIARTE/PUIG left to right.
    DUVALL/MARKAKIS bench – 26th player.
    MATT JOYCE walks.
    AUSTIN RILEY[22] to AAA to start the season.
    3 – 3B
    MIKE MOUSTAKIS [30] three-year 18m per contract with a fourth year club option and a substantial by-out.
    4 – C
    TRAVIS d’ARNAUD [30] three-year 1.5 m per with a fourth year club option and a minimal buyout.
    FLOWERS/d’ARNAUD platoon
    34.5 m in 2020
    107 now + 34.5 = 141.5m plus arb raises.

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  63. 129 Vox O'Reasoñ November 19, 2019 at 8:10 am

    Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported yesterday that the Braves have shown interest in signing former Card and playoff Braves killer OF Marcell Ozuna.

    If the Braves were to sign (or trade for) a proven power bat for the OF it would allow them to roll with Camargo and Riley at 3B. I don’t really see a downside to that strategy.

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    • 130 Gordon Lawrence November 19, 2019 at 9:13 am

      I don’t like seeing RILEY and CAMARGO as our main 3B options off last year’s results.
      OZUNA has a solid bat and just turned 29 this month.
      Vs SP, average in the low .240’s with a high .700’s OPS
      Spotrac contract 12.250 contract in 2019.
      Looking for his big payday, prolly 17-18m for three or four years.
      Blocks PACHE, WATERS, JENISTA, and HARRIS.
      I’d prefer a make good bat on a one-year deal that allows the BRAVES to go cheaper than DONALDSON at 3B, catcher, and in trade for SP.

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  64. 131 Gil in Mechanicsville November 19, 2019 at 9:00 am

    I wonder if the Braves would be willing to hire Barry Bonds to coach Ozuna? Puig??? LOL, would be a whole lot of fun in that outfield wouldn’t it?

    The player Puig reminds me of the most? None other than Mr. October himself. No, not for his home run prowess but just the general all around BS and controversy that always seems to follow him where ever he goes.

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  65. 134 Vox O'Reasoñ November 19, 2019 at 10:51 am

    I’ll skip skiing this year… and every year…

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  66. 135 Vox O'Reasoñ November 19, 2019 at 10:55 am

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  67. 136 Vox O'Reasoñ November 19, 2019 at 1:20 pm

    I’d prefer a make good bat on a one-year deal that allows the BRAVES to go cheaper than DONALDSON at 3B, catcher, and in trade for SP.

    What we do know for certain is that the Braves have to plug holes at 3B, C and 2 holes in the rotation. The big problem is that everyone from national writers to bloggers like us are speculating how to spend the remaining budget allotment, but nobody, and that’s NOBODY, has any idea what that amount is.

    As currently stands, after adding in the Will Smith deal, the payroll commitment for 2020 is at $113,725,375 after factoring in fair estimates for arb awards and such. [Payroll figure courtesy of Roster Resource.]

    If the Braves hold close to what they spent in 2019, then there is about $30M left to work with. If the powers that be choose to increase the overall payroll for 2020, obviously that adds to the amount left to work with. But no one knows this outside of Terry McGuirk, AA, and his staffers… his stealthy staffers.

    So for the purpose of this exercise, let’s operate on the low end and work with $30M.

    First, we can actually lose a little bit of that by non-tendering John Ryan Murphy (+/- $1.2M arb estimate) and Luke Jackson (+/- $1.9M arb estimate), one of which is certain, the other of which is plausible after adding to the bullpen via FA. Factor in as well that the writing is on the wall for Mark Melancon to be dealt. Teams all over the league are looking for back end relievers. Given the payroll restraints, whatever they may be, I cannot see the Braves paying 2 relievers north of $13M each. Melancon will be dealt along with a prospect or 2, which I will touch on again later.

    So with those actions, we have moved our working capital into the neighborhood of $45M. And that’s a much nicer neighborhood.

    Now we can feasibly add Mike Moustakas (+/- $14M AAV) to plug the 3B hole, before turning our attention to catcher. If there’s one thing we have learned about this organization it’s that they prioritize catching defense over offense. They prize pitch framing and pitcher handling. That will not change. If you want one of the best of those on a reasonable deal, they sign Jason Castro. MLBTR guesses his deal at 2 yrs / $10M. If I can have his defense for $5M AAV for each of the next 2 years, matching the timeline of Shea Langeliers, then I think I am in decent catching shape.

    Now $14M + $5M = $19M, laving me about $26M to spend on pitching.

    I never considered the top 2, but now will probably also disregard the next 2 as well. Cole, Strasburg, Wheeler, and MadBum are all out. But the next guy down the line is Hyun-Jin Ryu. How many times did he make our offense look like Little League, especially in the 2018 NLDS? He was this year’s Cy Young runner up, was also the NL leader in ERA at 2.32, and posted an astounding 1.97 ERA in 15 starts in 2018. MLBTR says this about him: “Ryu works at around 91 miles per hour, but he’s in the 96th percentile for exit velocity allowed, meaning batters aren’t squaring him up despite the lack of premium velocity.” Because he’s already 33 and has a bit of an injury history in the past (although he pitched 180 innings in 2019), he won’t have the same cost as the others. He’s also not a QO guy. His estimated contract cost is 3 yrs / $54M, or a $18M AAV. And he’s a proven pitcher from a winning organization in the Dodgers. I’ll take him.

    By my math, I can add Ryu and still have another $8M for one more pitcher to come via the aforementioned trade. Who? Well, if I knew that, I’d actually have a job in baseball somewhere. But for the right prospect price, plus a proven closer, there is proven pitching available.

    My whole point of this is that even working on the low end of the expected payroll allotment, we can adequately fill the holes on this team and compete for a ring in 2020. But to be perfectly honest, I believe there is more money to spend than last year’s threshold. I think we will actually shop in a different aisle for a rotation anchor, either in FA or trade. But only time will reveal that to us.

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  68. 137 berigan2electricboogaloo November 19, 2019 at 2:44 pm

    Last year, Austin Hedges “hit” .176, with 11 HRs 36 RBI’s. Yikes!!!!

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    • 138 Vox O'Reasoñ November 19, 2019 at 3:14 pm

      TBH, I don’t think Hedges will be a .176 ML hitter in the long term, but neither do I think he’ll he the .330 hitter he was in AAA. If I had to guess, he’ll probably be a .230-ish guy with occasional power. In comparison, Flow hit .229 in 2019. CIN’s Tucker Barnhart hit .231. NYY’s Gary Sanchez hit .232. Former Astro Robinson Chirinos hit .238 and is available via FA. In other words, I can buy a .230 hitter. I don’t need to part with prospect capital for one.

      I still like Jason Castro. Top defender that slashed .232/.332/.435 in 2019. And cheap. If I’m shopping for catcher at WalMart, I’ll go Castro. If I’m at Macy’s, I’ll take Travis d’Arnaud. If I’m breaking out the American Express Gold Card at Neiman Marcus, then Yasmani Grandal is an ideal fit.

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  69. 140 Vox O'Reasoñ November 19, 2019 at 3:30 pm

    Listening to radio interview with AA right now. He was asked about what he has left to spend after inking Will Smith. Answer: “We absolutely have alot of room to continue to add.”

    Direct quote.

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  70. 143 Vox O'Reasoñ November 19, 2019 at 4:30 pm

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  71. 145 Vox O'Reasoñ November 19, 2019 at 7:20 pm

    Predictable.

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  72. 146 Gil in Mechanicsville November 19, 2019 at 8:02 pm

    “The Braves signed right-hander Chris Martin on Tuesday to a two-year, $14 million contract. Atlanta now has 39 players on its 40-man roster.”

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  73. 147 Gil in Mechanicsville November 19, 2019 at 8:07 pm

    I don’t know about y’all but I am getting the impression Alex is playing with a little more cash this season. I also think AA will try to move MM’s 13 million, likely eating part of his contract. It is spent money after all.

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  74. 149 Vox O'Reasoñ November 19, 2019 at 8:27 pm

    Wow! This bullpen is suddenly very stout!!

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  75. 150 Gil in Mechanicsville November 20, 2019 at 8:20 am

    Is Drew Waters still a year away from needing to be protected?

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  76. 154 Gordon Lawrence November 20, 2019 at 5:55 pm

    Whew! What a bullpen for 2020.
    LH WIL SMITH
    LH SEAN NEWCOMB
    LH GRANT DAYTON
    RH MARK MELANCON
    RH SHANE GREENE
    RH CHRIS MARTIN
    RH DARREN O’DAY
    RH LUKE JACKSON

    Lots of relief hopefuls aren’t on this list.
    RH JACOB WEBB
    RH PATRICK WEIGEL
    RH JEREMY WALKER
    RH CHAD SOBOTKA
    LH PHILLIP PFEIFER
    LH A.J. MINTER

    and these are just the ones on the current 40-man.
    Is this the season bullpen for the BRAVES?
    MELANCON’s age and $$$ standout here.
    Trade for a starting pitcher, catcher, third baseman?
    May…be………

    Still a lot of work to do.
    SP, maybe two
    RH MIKE SOROKA
    RH MAX FRIED
    RH MIKE FOLTYNEWICZ
    and, and ???

    Again, tons of inhouse hopefuls.
    Those on the 40-man right now
    RH BRYSE WILSON
    RH KYLE WRIGHT
    RH TOUKI TOUSSAINT
    RH JASSEEL DeLa CRUZ
    RH HUASCAR YNOA
    LH SEAN NEWCOMB
    LH TUCKER DAVIDSON

    And not on it
    RH IAN ANDERSON
    RH NOLAN KINGHAM
    LH KYLE MULLER

    3B
    JOSH DONALDSON
    MIKE MOUSTAKAS
    somebody else???

    In house hopefuls
    AUSTIN RILEY
    JOHAN CAMARGO

    C
    TYLER FLOWERS
    And ???

    In house hopefuls on the 40-man
    WILLIE CONTRERAS
    ALEX JACKSON
    JOHN RYAN MURPHY
    mighty thin……???

    Down on the farm…………
    Uh, don’t hold your breath.
    TRAVIS d’ARNAUD anyone???

    The Hot Stove is cookin’ this off-season.

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  77. 155 Gordon Lawrence November 20, 2019 at 6:04 pm

    I would go all in right now on MIKE MOUSTAKAS @ 18m or so for three, maybe four years.
    If that’s a no by the start of the winter meetings, I gotta’ fall back and take the “Bringer” @ 25m for three, club option four.
    Same for the catcher.
    GRANDAL would be grand
    TRAVIS is my pick primarily because of the money.

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  78. 156 berigan2electricboogaloo November 20, 2019 at 8:02 pm

    I wonder if AA is thinking, it’s not going to be easy to get a #2 , or #1 esp. via free agency so have faith in some of the arms (or IF a great deal comes along of course, trade a few for…that mystery starter guy no one can think of that is very good, and a team would be willing to trade away) and run with the guys we already have, and have an absolute killer bullpen after the 6th, or even the 5th! We all know both starters and bullpen guys get injured at some point….

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  79. 158 Vox O'Reasoñ November 21, 2019 at 8:04 am

    One thing we have to keep in mind is the new bullpen rules taking effect in 2020.That cannot be understated. You have to have quality arms that you can send in in the 7th, 8th, and 9th innings that you are confident can get 3 batters out regardless of arm side matchups.

    And for this, I think AA has gotten out way ahead of the pack to remake his bullpen to match the new demands.

    Will Smith said it best during his recent interviews. Every single interview I’ve heard, and it’s been a few, have asked him about Mark Melancon still being the “closer” in the 9th inning.

    Smith’s answer has been perfect: “We are all closers. We just have to close our inning. If we can all do that, we’ll have a very successful bullpen.”

    And he’s 100% right. They have some real talent in that pen that can shut you down for 3 batters easily. Plus, with their varying style and arm sides, Snit can still play matchups regardless of whether it’s the 7th, 8th, or 9th inning. How many times have we seen the heart of the other team’s order roll through in the 7th or 8th inning?

    The traditional “closer” role has changed over the last few years. And the “save” stat is becoming an antiquated one. Melancon might get those last 3 outs in the 9th, but Smith shutting down the 3, 4, & 5 hitters in the 8th might seal the victory.

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  80. 160 Vox O'Reasoñ November 21, 2019 at 8:17 am

    Now… that said, I have a new read on what I think is going to happen.

    I am no longer of the opinion that AA will try to deal Mark Melancon and his $14M contract. But I also do not think they’ll roll into 2020 with all of Smith, Melancon, Martin and Greene.

    We know that Smith and Martin are there since they were just signed or re-signed. And I think there is something to the fact that Smith and Melancon were not only teammates in San Fran, but lockermates. They also carpooled to work while on the Weird Coast. They are close friends.

    I heard speculation yesterday that the Braves could non-tender Shane Greene since he’s projected to earn north of $6M in his last year of arb. But I do NOT foresee that happening. In fact, I would say that’s ludicrous.

    Lest we forget that Shane Greene was an All-Star closer in 2019? And after he made the adjustment to the NL, he was pretty dang good here in his setup role.

    So let’s think about this for a minute…

    We have a guy that was just an All-Star closer in 2019, who we are only tied to for 1 more year, and who is just 31 years old. Ya think there might be some trade demand for that? How many teams would love an All-Star late inning reliever for just a $6M commitment?

    Shane Greene will be flipped in a deal. AA is not only remaking our bullpen, he’s stacking trade assets.

    You can mark this post for future reference. AA will make a “big” trade before this offseason is done, and it will include some prospects that will hurt to part with. It will also include Shane Greene. It might also include someone else from the ML roster.

    That much I feel strongly about. As for who comes back to us? Still murky. But don’t be surprised if prospect and new 40-man roster resident William Contreras looks up to see his big brother coming to town…

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  81. 163 Vox O'Reasoñ November 21, 2019 at 8:27 am

    I also now believe we’ll put all our starting pitching eggs in one basket, making one big acquisition as opposed to two. I believe the attention paid to the bullpen is a portent to that in a couple of ways. Not only has it taken a measurable portion of our budget, but filling the bullpen with a new lefty (Smith) and re-signing Martin makes it fairly crowded down there even if Greene is sent elsewhere. I think we’ll make one big splash for a starter, add him to Soroka, Fried and Folty, and give Sean Newcomb every opportunity to win the 5th starter spot. And failing that, we have a handful of kids (not counting the one that will be traded) that can battle for that spot as well. Kyle Wright, Bryse Wilson and Ian Anderson are all standing on the fringe waiting for a shot. And Kyle Muller is not that far behind that group. In fact, keep an eye on Muller. He might just surprise everyone. He’s a LH version of Bryse Wilson. And I’d hate to lose either one of them.

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  82. 164 Vox O'Reasoñ November 21, 2019 at 9:10 am

    Jeff Passan tweeted this last week while covering the GM meetings in Scottsdale, AZ: Multiple teams in search of catching help believe Cubs catcher Willson Contreras will be available this winter. The Cubs will get creative this winter, and with a deep catching free agent market, they could trade Contreras and begin retooling under new manager David Ross.

    Tony Andracki at NBCSports.com says: “While Cubs fans sit on the edge of their seats waiting to see if Theo Epstein’s front office trades away a core player — and which guy that might be — the question has really become more of a when. It’s clear the roster needs a change… the front office has also shifted a good amount of focus on the long-term future of the organization — beyond 2021. If Contreras is dealt, the Cubs could feel pretty confident about Victor Caratini sliding into a larger role, but they would obviously need more catching depth both in the short- and long-term.”

    And this echoes a theme that I’ve seen emerge since the hot stove season began. You cannot buy prospects, but you can sign a Free Agent and then trade a core player for prospects. And it looks like the Cubs could look to do just that. They have the spending ability to sign a Yasmani Grandal while trading away their current star catcher and recouping young talent in return. It takes care of both the present and the future, and only costs you $$. The Cubs have the $$ to take such a strategy.

    CBSSports.com’s Mike Axisa ranks the Braves as the 14 likeliest team that could trade for the talented Cubs catcher. That’s his opinion I suppose. But reading his blurb, the reasoning is quite flawed. He draws his conclusion saying: “The Braves have already re-signed pitch-framing extraordinaire Tyler Flowers and they have prospect Alex Jackson ready to step in for Brian McCann”. What?!? Can I have that guy’s job? He’s obviously are not paying attention. (I’d like to call him an idiot, but Mama always said… well, you know.)

    By contrast, emerging sports site 12up.com believes the Braves are the #1 team to make that move. They actually do some real story research, unlike that uneducated character at the more established outlet.

    Mark Feinsand of MLB.com speculates the Cubs would prefer to trade Kris Bryant instead, and points to the Braves as a potential trade partner. But he also speculates a return package that starts with Max Fried and includes prospects Drew Waters, Bryse Wilson and William Contreras. With all due respect to Mr. Feinsand, he’s out of his mind. Bryant is a great talent, but he’s not fetching that package from Atlanta. And I’ll go a step further. No team is getting Max Fried.

    So what would it take to get Willson Contreras?

    Well, they’ll ask for Max Fried, but they won’t get him. They might get Sean Newcomb, though. They might also get Shane Greene to help prop up their disappointing bullpen. As for prospects, little brother William Contreras makes logical sense. And a pitching prospect is almost a certainty. How high a prospect? The pool could include any one not named Ian Anderson.

    So my question for you is this? For 3 years of Willson Contreras, would you give up Newk, Greene, little brother William and Kyle Wright? I know I would. In a heartbeat.

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  83. 166 Vox O'Reasoñ November 21, 2019 at 9:28 am

    All that said, history suggests the Braves are more likely to trade for a pitcher than for Willson Contreras. AA’s past actions would seem to suggest he’d be comfortable with a Jason Castro or Robinson Chirinos as a cheap FA signing to fill his catching void. Each profiles as a top pitch-framing, defense-first backstop that can catch 100+ games and pair well with the incumbent Flow.

    But this year could be different. The Braves are widely believed to be in “win now” mode, and that changes everything.

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  84. 167 Vox O'Reasoñ November 21, 2019 at 10:36 am

    Headline in the Denver Post: The Rockies “will look at” free-agent catchers Travis d’Arnaud, Yan Gomes, Martin Maldonado, Robinson Chirinos, Jason Castro and Alex Avila

    It would be quite easy to substitute the name “Braves” for “Rockies”…

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  85. 169 Gil in Mechanicsville November 21, 2019 at 10:54 am

    Don’t you love to be the guy who is selling in a seller’s market? I’m sure there are many agents calling teams looking for the talents they are representing

    Just an anecdotal observation but, you don’t want to be the guy who holds out too long and find the folks who really wanted you have moved on. Impulse buying is a real thing, impulse selling is not…

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  86. 170 Gil in Mechanicsville November 21, 2019 at 12:14 pm

    Grandal off the board, signed by the White Sox

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    • 171 Gordon Lawrence November 21, 2019 at 12:19 pm

      Which means we’re going to have to outbid the Crew for MOUSTAKAS’ services.
      18-19m for three-four is my estimate.
      The Crew are really gonna’ try to keep from losing both Moose and YASMANI.
      Let the bidding begin.
      Moose has gotta’ be smiling every time he on-lines his bank account.

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  87. 172 Vox O'Reasoñ November 21, 2019 at 12:32 pm

    This signing will have a domino effect, too. Now that the top dog is off the board, every other team in the market will scramble to get the next best guys before they’re either gone or before their prices rise.

    You know d’Arnaud’s asking price just went up.

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  88. 173 Vox O'Reasoñ November 21, 2019 at 12:46 pm

    I think that last year’s Free Agent quagmire was an anomaly. Teams are learning there is value to be gained by filling holes early in the process. Not only does it allow you to work from the greatest pool of talent, it’s also the most realistic values. As the supply dwindles, the prices rise. But the most important factor is the ability to pick from the greatest array of players. Nobody gets excited choosing from the consolation bin.

    Plus, early player movement generates real value in marketing as well. Adding Grandal in Chcago will help generate more season ticket interest in the South Side from November 21 forward, meaning a wider window of interest. That’s pure Marketing 101. That applies to not only season tickets, but merchandising as well.

    It also keeps the team in the front of the fans’ consciousness, not going dormant for the winter months. You know these ChiSox fans are excited today. And they all feel it’s just the beginning. We here in Braves Country can relate. We have first hand experience now with the early signings in our bullpen. It has created both buzz in the media and excitement in the fan base.

    It all adds up to real measurable value for execs trying to operate in a competitive environment. Waiting helps no one.

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  89. 174 Vox O'Reasoñ November 21, 2019 at 1:38 pm

    I could see the Braves in on Yan Gomes. His offense tailed off a tad last year in WAS, but he has a decent “back of the baseball card” and is known as a solid defender. At just 32, he’s perfectly capable of catching 100+ games if he stays healthy. He also posted a 1.3 WAR in 2019.

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  90. 176 Vox O'Reasoñ November 21, 2019 at 5:38 pm

    Really go after it? Like spend the actual money it takes to go after it?

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    • 177 Vox O'Reasoñ November 21, 2019 at 5:41 pm

      [Braves exec Mike] Plant said the Braves’ strategy is to complement their “great pipeline” of young talent “with some key veteran acquisitions.”

      OK. Then let’s get ‘er done.

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  91. 178 Gordon Lawrence November 21, 2019 at 5:48 pm

    Moose and d’ARNAUD not signed yet?
    Com’n AA get in the game.
    Worry about SP last.

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  92. 179 berigan2electricboogaloo November 21, 2019 at 7:46 pm

    ok guys (and Gal 🙂 ) here is the problem this offseason….if the braves don’t get a F.A. guy, look at the top 40 pitchers, both leagues…by ERA (Julio was #24 of all starters in baseball, by ERA)
    look at the pitchers, then the teams they are on….who is going to trade their top starter????
    http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/pitching/_/year/2019/seasontype/2

    I just don’t see that difference maker….not saying there aren’t good starters with ERA’s over 4.00 but….have to think along with A.A. who has been good by and large over there career, but not last year????
    IF the guys we have in the pipeline are so darned good…why not go with them?
    Already said this…like above in this post….but if you don’t go after/get MadBum or Wheeler….who are you willing to risk trading the next Wainwright away for?
    I’ll wait 😉

    I think Gordon is right….wait on SP…
    have a stout offense/and defense, great bullpen….and Soroka, Friend, Folty , Newcomb and rookie can surely go 5 + each start and keep the team in the game….

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  93. 181 Gordon Lawrence November 21, 2019 at 8:39 pm

    Rule 5 potential get RHRP BRAD RONEY is worth the time. 27 year old was coming around in 2019. ARIZONA Fall league, he did well.
    LHRP THOMAS BURROWS had a rocky 2019. Still, I’d give him a shot if i were a GM. Lefties are golden, at least good ones which BURROWS was in the lower minors.

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  94. 182 Gil in Mechanicsville November 22, 2019 at 7:00 am

    Pretty sure the massive data crunching analytical department deep in the basement of Sun Trust Park have stats on every rule 5 eligible player available for the taking. Plus a bunch that aren’t… That is what a lot of teams have resorted to. Pretty soon we will have televised games of video games instead of real players. Okay, I’ll save that rant for another day but when TV air time is filled with show like Survivor and Big Brother etc… well, can fake baseball be far behind?

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    • 183 Vox O'Reasoñ November 22, 2019 at 7:50 am

      Taking kids in Rule 5 works for rebuilding teams that are willing to take a flyer on a kid with potential and give him a valuable 26-man roster spot (for the entire season) in hopes that they may find a diamond in the rough. But for a team that has publicly stated that they are in “win now” mode, and that they are “going for it”, those roster spots must be allocated with a purpose. I doubt very seriously the Braves will be very active in that arena.

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  95. 184 Gil in Mechanicsville November 22, 2019 at 7:05 am

    I’m still thinking Newk will get another shot at starting this season. Somewhere…

    As the baseball picture winnows down to a few good starters, stalwarts like Julio will find work, maybe not with the Yankees but the Pirates are always hiring.

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    • 185 Vox O'Reasoñ November 22, 2019 at 7:53 am

      I’m still thinking Newk will get another shot at starting this season. Somewhere

      Agree. Depending on how much money the Braves spend on a TOR starter, it might be here. But I think there is at least a chance he goes away in trade as any team giving up a starter will want a controllable ML piece in return. He fits that bill. And as a LH, he comes with an extra premium.

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  96. 187 Vox O'Reasoñ November 22, 2019 at 7:54 am

    Anybody hearing the Francisco Lindor chatter?

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  97. 188 berigan2electricboogaloo November 22, 2019 at 9:22 am

    so…anyone besides CL see my 7:46/7:54 posts yesterday?

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  98. 190 Gil in Mechanicsville November 22, 2019 at 2:57 pm

    Always bare in mind, it is an early worm that gets eaten by the bird….

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  99. 191 Vox O'Reasoñ November 22, 2019 at 3:38 pm

    I know we’ve talked alot about numbers and who they can and cannot (as if we know the budget) afford to sign. But sometimes you just have to throw all that out the window and trust your gut. My gut tells me they Braves will acquire a big name pitcher… a real TOTR arm. It’s gonna happen.

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  100. 194 berigan2electricboogaloo November 22, 2019 at 3:40 pm

    There’s no reason to speculate on NOT acquiring anyone yet. It’s still very early. Winter Meetings are still a weeks away.
    V, isn’t that all we do during fall/winter? Speculate ? Often on folks we won’t get? 😉
    I just hear folks talking about trading for a T.O.R. guy, and I just don’t see any T.O.R.s, available outside of Cole or Stephen S. and that won’t be via a trade….that’s just why I put those links to show who is available…I was going to look team by team and see who was a possibility…then thought to just look at the guys top ERA guys, then top innings guys since I didn’t see a soul to trade for via era….. but the Seattle guy mentioned above isn’t a T.O.R, he’s more like M.O.R. (middle of Rotation) or I.E. (Innings eater) ala MadBum, or Wheeler. He could be better on a good team in the N.L. just like MadBum or Wheeler may get better here…might…but, if all are #2 or #3’s, I just think you might as well get a B.B. (big bat) for 3rd, or left or both. and do the Coppy thing of, when you already seem to have POP (plenty of pitching) get more! IF the rotation options are too bleh this year, get more bullpen guys, still more! MORE!
    we have lots of YOUNG guys Bryse Wilson is still only 21 (22 next month) , Ian Anderson, is also 21. Touki Toussaint is 23. Kyle Wright is 24. Basically, they would be #5’s right? Sean Newcomb already is a proven starter (same ERA in 2018 as MadBum had in 2019) and walks should be down….I know internal options aren’t as sexy (blog first?) as getting some stud starter thats behind door #1 but, AA has to go in the directions that are available right now, right?

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    • 195 Gil in Mechanicsville November 22, 2019 at 4:35 pm

      So, what you are saying is there are no Greg Maddux clones available… Yes, offense is fun but pitching wins championships. Actually it is a combination of factors which win championships but staying focused on your point, it is early yet, who knows what is behind door number 3?

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  101. 196 Gil in Mechanicsville November 23, 2019 at 9:28 am

    It’s tough to give up on a young arm too soon. Remember Jason Schmidt? I think the Braves regretted that trade almost from the start. All the pitching talent amassed by the Braves, so much potential. It does lend itself to how rare a talent Soroka is to be pitching like he is at 21. Most don’t arrive until they are in their mid to late 20s.

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  102. 198 Gil in Mechanicsville November 23, 2019 at 12:44 pm

    Yep, it is the art of the deal…. The best results is you have an even handed deal where both sides benefit. That way you don’t have hard feelings and you can continue to do business. A lot of folks in Twitterville want to make the one sided Shelby Miller type deals where the other side is humiliated. These are not people I would like to do business with. Don’t get me wrong, not like I don’t like a bargain, it’s just that I don’t like taking advantage of people.

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  103. 200 Gil in Mechanicsville November 23, 2019 at 12:56 pm

    Which brings us around to today’s topic, who do you think is expendable of the Braves’ pitching prospects? My vote is Tuki Tusant. Now, watch his go on to have a stellar career somewhere and make me doubt myself…

    The biggest problem I have with pitchers with incredible braking balls is that umpires don’t often give them strikes. Either they are lazy and don’t follow the ball all the way in (they are human and often give up on pitches just like hitters) or they don’t believe anyone’s curve ball is that good.

    My preference is the kid who has a decent fastball that has late movement. A good pitcher has to posses a swing and miss pitch. How many times have we seen Julio get two strike on a batter and then not be able to put them away because while he could trow pitches good enough where the batter could only foul them off, he did not have a pitch they would give up on or completely fool the batter nor blow it past them.

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  104. 202 Gil in Mechanicsville November 23, 2019 at 8:30 pm

    I am having a very good night. Virginia Tech shuts out Pitt 20-0 and VCU is wiping out Florida Gulf Coast. Yippee…

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  105. 203 Gil in Mechanicsville November 24, 2019 at 2:42 pm

    Make that 28-zip… Big game next week-end between VA Tech and UVA… I know, not as big as an SEC game but big to me… 🙂

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  106. 205 Vox O'Reasoñ November 24, 2019 at 5:26 pm

    AA’s good work continues. d’Arnaud was not the best catcher on the FA market, but he was arguably the next best. I love this signing. It still leaves us the ability to go get the pitching we need.

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    • 206 Gordon Lawrence November 24, 2019 at 5:32 pm

      O.K. two of my prehot-stove list in the bag.
      Now if we sign MIKE MOUSTAKAS we have a trifecta win.
      I really see no reason why we wouldn’t.
      DONALDSON moves on and we get a pick in turn.
      With that we can sign ZACH WHEELER, lose the pick again, and with the difference between Moose and “the Bringer” sign part of WHEELER’s freight and have enough going to trade for the balance.

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  107. 208 Vox O'Reasoñ November 24, 2019 at 5:28 pm

    I also love that AA is not waiting around. He’s simply getting his job done.

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  108. 210 Gil in Mechanicsville November 24, 2019 at 8:04 pm

    The d’Arnaud signing is a good one. Shores up the catching situation but does not break the bank nor block any young prospects. He is a solid backstop and a decent bat. Good work Braves… They still have the were with all to add to their pitching corps and sign a solid power bat.

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  109. 211 Vox O'Reasoñ November 24, 2019 at 9:13 pm

    Speaks highly of this young man.

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  110. 212 Gordon Lawrence November 24, 2019 at 11:28 pm

    Where do we go from here?
    Two of my hot-stove favs are in the house, RP WIL SMITH and C TRAVIS d’ARNAUD.
    From my perspective, I feel AA will sign a SP next [ZACH WHEELER is my preference @ 20m per for five years].
    In which case, MIKE MOUSTAKAS seems certain due to cash and draft pick considerations.
    Has to happen by winter meetings start, or they will move on to another pitcher probably not in FA.
    One they acquire by trade and cash combined.
    LH SEAN NEWCOMB, CF ENDER INCIARTE, 3B JOHAN CAMARGO and a minors prospect such as RH TOUKI TOUSSAINT might be involved together with cash.
    If the REDS sign WHEELER, LUIS CASTILLO might be available for that kind of trade.
    Probably an overpay a bit, but the BRAVES would be under some pressure at that point.
    In the event AA moves on from WHEELER or RYU, JOSH DONALDSON may become a BRAVE before any SP for three years @ 25m per with a fourth club option, and a hefty buyout.

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    • 213 Vox O'Reasoñ November 25, 2019 at 8:28 am

      Where do we go from here?

      Since we’re obviously just checking items off the shopping list, it’s either starting pitcher or 3B. I think one of those will come via trade (likely pitcher?), and may not come together until the Winter Meetings. And it may be that one is predicated on the other. Or, AA may just go get ’em now, right?

      Speaking of the Winter Meetings… Remember when I said that we wouldn’t have any real news until then?

      Yeah, never mind.

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  111. 214 Gil in Mechanicsville November 25, 2019 at 6:03 am

    Alex Wood anyone?

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    • 215 Vox O'Reasoñ November 25, 2019 at 8:24 am

      As a #5 maybe. But to be honest, I’d prefer spending the $$ on the real deal #1 (or #2 behind Soroka) and Newk/Wright/Wilson as #5 if necessary. After all, these youngsters aren’t just chopped liver. And even though Wright had an up and down year at AAA last year, he’s still young and still projects as a #2 or #3. For him, the stuff is there; it’s all about the control. But then again, isn’t that the name of the game for every pitcher? That pesky control is always the last thing to come.

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  112. 216 Gil in Mechanicsville November 25, 2019 at 8:42 am

    I am thinking any further acquisition will come after the rule five draft. If a trade occurs, well that problem takes care of itself.

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    • 217 Vox O'Reasoñ November 25, 2019 at 10:59 am

      I do not believe the Braves will be taking anyone in the Rule 5 draft. Those are “take a chance” guys. The Braves are way past that phase. The roster will be filled with “for certain” contributing pieces.

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  113. 218 Gordon Lawrence November 25, 2019 at 9:42 am

    What I like here is that we are all in regarding the added moves the BRAVES should make.
    SP I think the trade comes here if AA passes on both WHEELER and RYU.
    That decision has to come soon, preferably before winter meetings.
    3B Decision of “Bringer” or Moose depends on decision for SP.
    Can’t keep these guys waiting. They’ll fly the coop.
    OF – one year filler, or keep ENDER and hope for the best.
    I don’t like have ENDER’s ailing bat in the everyday line-up, but if neither PACHE or WATERS are ready what are you gonna’ do?
    Trade, right? Maybe.
    Free Agency?
    PUIG? Ugh, but his bat might outweigh his attitude and mouth, for one year.
    WAR PUIG 1.3 vs INCIARTE’s 0.6; OPS+ PUIG 100 vs INCIARTE 89

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  114. 219 Gil in Mechanicsville November 25, 2019 at 10:30 am

    Well, if anyone would have a first hand take on Puig it would be Alex, after all, hi was an assistant GM in LA when they drafted/signed Puig to play in Tinsel Town…

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  115. 221 Gil in Mechanicsville November 25, 2019 at 11:14 am

    With the Braves signing of Travis d’Ardnaud, I was reminded that Alex traded away Travis as well as Noah Syndeguard for R.A. Dicky. You have to wonder if such trades don’t weigh in on him when he considers what young talent to trade away for a vet pitcher. Just saying…. I never thought Dicky was all that while in Toronto. it was a bit one sided if you ask me.

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  116. 222 Vox O'Reasoñ November 25, 2019 at 11:21 am

    I still subscribe to the philosophy that you “buy” pitching and trade for hitting. I also believe that if AA can trade for a cleanup hitting OF, the Braves would be fine with Camargo/Riley at 3B. Starling Marte is prime on the rumor mill and the Braves have the assets necessary to get 2 years of the ultra-talented Marte.

    And even if you make that trade, you can still afford to bring Moose in if you want.

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  117. 223 berigan2electricboogaloo November 25, 2019 at 2:59 pm

    Gordon, Luis Castillo is a true TOR, or TOTR guy (3.40 ERA in that bandbox)…but, I just don’t see the Reds trading him for some question mark guys….granted, IF those guys worked out, it would be good for them, but…Castillo is young to boot. 26. Usually, teams don’t trade those guys, it would almost be like trading Soroka….

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  118. 224 Vox O'Reasoñ November 26, 2019 at 9:55 am

    I was a bit out of pocket yesterday as I was acquiring and setting up a new phone (merry Christmas to me). I caved to the peer pressure from my daughter and Mrs. Vox and have gone to the dark side… an iPhone.

    But that’s not why I’m here…

    So what’s the matter the AA? It’s been over 24 hours and we haven’t signed or traded for anyone? What’s his problem? 😆

    In all seriousness, we have beaten the dead horse of spending harder than a trash can in the Astros’ dugout. And we all agree that we have no idea how much money AA has to work with, even though we can make a somewhat educated guess. But even at that, it’s still just a guess.

    So we must bring to light the comments made by Liberty Media’s CEO Greg Maffei last Thursday on a TV appearance on CNBC. As reported by MLBTR’s Dylan Chase, Maffei briefly discussed the Braves offseason outlook in the course of a 10 minute interview with CNBC’s David Faber, Maffei indicated that the club plans to “spend some money” this winter, even after the club’s recent addition of roughly $30M in new commitments to their 2020 payroll. “We’re well set up…with young talent,” Maffei told Faber before referencing Freddie Freeman, Ronald Acuna Jr. and Ozzie Albies as some of the club’s key young players. “But in addition, we just signed Will Smith–probably the best reliever in baseball. Yeah, we’re going to spend some money, and we have relative freedom under the cap and in our payroll compared to most people, including the Mets.

    Now… does this mean a significant increase? I don’t see trying to actually rival the Mets’ payroll. As Chase points out, the CNBC host is a known Mets fan, and Maffei was probably mentioned the Mets in that context. But his words still can’t be undersold. As we’ve talked about so many times, even an increase into the $160M range opens up a ton of spending flexibility. It certainly opens the team up to take on a $25M AAV pitcher without even blinking… to go along with bringing Josh Donaldson back.

    But I get a sense that maybe the Braves would be OK to let JDon walk. The more we wait and the more I read, I almost get a sense that we are ecstatic that the 1 year gamble worked out to the extent it did and are willing to take our winnings and move to another table. Sometimes you just have to be thankful for the blessing you received and not get too greedy trying to milk it for more.

    Not only that, but allowing JD to sign elsewhere also replenishes the draft pick we will lose with the Will Smith signing, and perhaps would help lessen the impact of the loss of a second one if we should sign one of the TOTR pitchers (which this fan believes will happen).

    Speaking of losing draft picks… it’s really not as defeating as it gets painted. The Braves are still loaded at the upper levels of the system. They all have a shelf life, so you have to use them before the “expire”, thus those prospects will either need to move up to The Show or move out to another organization in trade. When trades happen, they often include prospects moving around on both sides. Many times in trades lower level prospects are included the deals, but we don’t read alot about those “throw ins” because they aren’t recognizable names and thus barely acknowledged after the actual trade is announced. That’s exactly how players like Touki Toussaint, Huascar Ynoa and Philip Pfeifer came to the Braves organization. Unless you are really keyed in like the fine folks here at the ol’ B&S, you never heard of Phil Pfeifer before he was recently added to the 40-man roster to protect him from being taken in the upcoming Rule 5 draft. But he came to us in a deal with the Dodgers back in 2016 and worked his way up through the system just like a drafted player would.

    I say all that to say this: Let’s not get too caught up in the cost of a draft pick that might – MIGHT – have an impact in 5 or 6 years in order to sign a bona-fide ML contributor that we need right now.

    Especially since it appears we finally have the financial ability to go after them.

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    • 225 Gil in Mechanicsville November 26, 2019 at 10:49 am

      Great opine as per usual Vee, always on point, even when I disagree. Yes, I dream of the possibility of the Braves spending a little stupid money for a pitcher of the caliber of a Gerrit Cole but like I said, it is only a dream.

      Back to reality, A lessor known name will emerge and the Braves will have strengthened their 2020 roster enough to treepeat in the NL East, which is going to be even tougher than last season because the gNats will not start out 13-35 again and the Phillies will have a new brain trust and the Mets will have healed up a bit. Even the fish should be better so a lot more parity in the division.

      Now, on Donaldson, I have not problems with the rainmaker taking up residence in LA or Texas, I do fear Philly adding him to their roster.

      What do y’all think of adding Justin Turner to the Braves roster?

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      • 226 Vox O'Reasoñ November 26, 2019 at 10:55 am

        What do y’all think of adding Justin Turner to the Braves roster?

        That would suit me just fine, but I think I read that they intend to sign one of the top 3B on the market, then utilize Turner at 1B, 2B, 3B, etc. much the same as the Dodgers always seem to do with their players. They always seem to use their entire roster much more liberally than just about any team. Of course, they also always stock their entire roster with starting talent, too. I guess you can do that when you have the highest payroll in MLB year after year.

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  119. 227 Vox O'Reasoñ November 26, 2019 at 10:08 am

    Twitter headline this morning: Dodgers Interested In Top Free Agents

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  120. 228 Gil in Mechanicsville November 27, 2019 at 11:48 am

    I have a question, do ballplayers have to pay taxes to each state where they play a game or only to the state where their club’s franchise resides? When you are talking millions of dollars, it could be a deal breaker I would think. Maybe why so many ball players make Atlanta a permanent home, maybe?

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    • 229 Vox O'Reasoñ November 27, 2019 at 1:11 pm

      If I’m not mistaken, they file taxes in every state where they play, as well as some cities. There is some convoluted formula that goes into who gets what that applies specifically to pro athletes. I have no idea how that is broken down though. It’s why they better have (and pay) good agents and good accountants.

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      • 230 Carolina Lady November 27, 2019 at 3:46 pm

        V, it’s been a very long time since I dealt with taxes and, though I flew through multiple cities, town, states, and even countries on a single trip series, taxes were charged and paid only to the state of residency. It may be entirely different nowadays for for highly paid athletes vs a lowly flight crew member.

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  121. 231 Vox O'Reasoñ November 27, 2019 at 1:13 pm

    Who?

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  122. 232 Vox O'Reasoñ November 27, 2019 at 1:16 pm

    Manager prediction final scorecard:

    Angels = Joe Maddon ✓
    Cubs = David Ross ✓
    Giants = Gabe Kapler ✓
    Mets = Joe Girardi Carlos Beltrán
    Padres = Jayce Tingler ✓
    Phils = Buck Showalter Joe Girardi
    Pirates = Jeff Banister Derek Shelton
    Royals = Mike Matheny ✓

    5 out of 8… not so bad.

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  123. 233 berigan2electricboogaloo November 27, 2019 at 8:09 pm

    ok, NEVER would have thought of this guy, but….

    Jonathan Villar….could he play 3rd???? Cannot believe teams wouldn’t trade for him for a lousy 10 mil (I mean Baltimore, each half the contract to get a cheap, decent prospect back???
    hit 24 HR’s last year, 33 doubles, and stole 40 bases!…. .274/339 . and did all this on a TERRIBLE team…thing is…know nothing about his defense….
    and I don’t know how waivers work this time of year….worst teams pick first???
    just a thought…..
    https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/11/orioles-jonathan-villar-waivers.html

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/v/villajo01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-

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    • 234 Vox O'Reasoñ November 27, 2019 at 9:34 pm

      Villar’s defense was iffy at 2B, but supposedly better at SS. He has no experience at 3B.

      As to claiming off waivers, the claiming team would owe him the $10+M balance he’s due. No team will do that. He’ll skate through and become a FA where he’ll find a deal, but not anywhere near $10M.

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  124. 235 berigan2electricboogaloo November 27, 2019 at 9:05 pm

    I tried to say…”Baltimore, EAT half of the 10 Mil” sigh…

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  125. 236 Gil in Mechanicsville November 28, 2019 at 8:49 am

    Good morning Stuffville, I hope all of our denizens have a happy and joyful Thanksgiving Day. I am most thankful for a wonderful wife, good friends and being born in the most wonderful country in the world. Amen…

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  126. 237 Vox O'Reasoñ November 28, 2019 at 10:08 am

    Happy Thanksgiving!!

    Psalm 100:4

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  127. 238 Vox O'Reasoñ November 28, 2019 at 10:26 am

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  128. 239 Vox O'Reasoñ November 28, 2019 at 12:34 pm

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  129. 240 Vox O'Reasoñ November 30, 2019 at 7:11 pm

    As November slips quietly into December, we need to take note of some important upcoming dates:

    Dec. 2: Non-tender deadline
    Dec. 9-12: Winter Meetings in San Diego
    Dec. 12: Rule 5 draft
    Jan. 10: Eligible players and teams exchange Arb figures
    Feb. 3-21: Arb hearings

    That’s Monday, folks. Catcher John Ryan Murphy is a no-brainer, especially after last week’s inking of Travis d’Arnaud. MLBTR listed Charlie Culberson as a non-tender candidate. Obviously those dudes do not follow Braves baseball very closely. Charlie is worth every dime he’ll receive in arb. I don’t believe there will be any others beside JRM, but anything is possible I suppose. Also, I think the Braves could look to bring JRM back on a minor league deal if he can’t find a ML deal anywhere else.

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  130. 241 Vox O'Reasoñ November 30, 2019 at 9:49 pm

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  131. 243 berigan2electricboogaloo December 1, 2019 at 1:32 pm

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  132. 244 Gil in Mechanicsville December 2, 2019 at 8:03 am

    Good morning folks, I hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving. Now we get back to business… What Vee said… 🙂

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  133. 245 Vox O'Reasoñ December 2, 2019 at 10:09 am

    Contract decision day…

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  134. 246 berigan2electricboogaloo December 2, 2019 at 3:08 pm

    V, I too thought there was ZERO chance the braves would get soooo cheap, so petty that they would dump Culberson

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    • 247 berigan2electricboogaloo December 2, 2019 at 3:10 pm

      I didn’t know that he didn’t hit a whole lot average wise after May, but he sure seemed to get big hits when it counted, right? I mean, I think if he was on the playoff roster, we might have beaten the Cards…

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      • 248 Vox O'Reasoñ December 2, 2019 at 3:53 pm

        I’ll reserve judgment until it actually happens. Who is Robert Murray and why should he know? As tight lipped as this group is about everything, I can’t necessarily give Murray an automatic pass on having inside info, especially when he has no local cred that I’m aware of.

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      • 249 Vox O'Reasoñ December 2, 2019 at 3:57 pm

        That said, Camargo vs. Culberson… I’ll take Camargo. Hechavarria vs. Culberson… that’s tougher, but I think the nod goes to Hechy. He’s a far better SS. Wonder if AA is trying to work a deal to bring him back? Should the non-tender rumor turn out to be true, he’ll need a true backup SS.

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  135. 250 Vox O'Reasoñ December 2, 2019 at 3:47 pm

    Off the board…

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  136. 251 Vox O'Reasoñ December 2, 2019 at 4:23 pm

    So if Moose gets 4 yrs / $64M, what does that do for Donaldson? He easily gets 3 years guaranteed now. 3 yrs / $75M? I think so. And if the Rangers are really as dug in on JD as is reported, they could offer him a 4th year to sway him to Arlington.

    And if AA misses out on JDon… then what? Plan B just got Plan A money from Cincy.

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  137. 252 Gil in Mechanicsville December 2, 2019 at 5:23 pm

    Ha, well, they could try to lure either Rendon or Stasburg away from DC… I don’t think Washington will sign both but who knows… Think maybe we will see if Moose signing with affects what Alex and his merry band of elves do.

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  138. 253 Vox O'Reasoñ December 2, 2019 at 8:32 pm

    Officially official.

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  139. 254 Vox O'Reasoñ December 2, 2019 at 8:35 pm

    Surprised, but not shocked. The numbers are what they are. Sometimes a player’s value is greater than his numbers though. I just hope AA has a plan…

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  140. 255 Vox O'Reasoñ December 2, 2019 at 9:16 pm

    One more thing to keep in mind…

    With the 3 non-tenders, there are now 3 new spots open on the 40-man roster. Just enough for JDon and 2 pitchers.

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  141. 257 Gil in Mechanicsville December 3, 2019 at 9:17 am

    I have absolutely no idea of what Alex has in mind other than adding someone new to the roster that we don’t know about or thought about. At least someone we have not had on our radar. Perhaps somewhere deep in the bowls of Sun Trust Park where all the IT guys are busy crunching their analytical scouting, they have come up with a master plan to acquirer Joc Peterson or something but I am a little bumfuzzeled as to why they let Dansby’s twin brother go.

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  142. 259 Vox O'Reasoñ December 3, 2019 at 9:27 am

    I had a night to sleep on the big news that impacted the Braves yesterday… and no, that’s not the non-tender of Charlie Clutch.

    Moose signing with the Reds yesterday for 4/64 is quite significant. First, it takes the supposed (by us at least) Plan B off the table and slaps Braves Country with the cold reality that there could be a 3B in ATL next season not named Donaldson or Moustakas. But just as significant is the commitment Cincy made to Moose, who was widely speculated to draw 2/20 on his new deal. What does that mean for JD? I’m no market expert, but I think you can probably expect his floor to be 3/75 now. And I think it’s at least plausible that some AL team – TEX maybe? – will give him 4 years knowing he can DH toward the end of it.

    I’ll be honest, I think he may have just passed us by in terms of what he’ll demand. If he can get 4/100 from TEX, then God bless him. Even if it’s just 4/92, it’s still a longer commitment than the Braves will give.

    I think we may need to start digging up a better alternative…

    To that end, I’ve been thinking. (Yes, I realize that’s dangerous.) How can we replace 37 HR’s in our lineup? How can we give Freddie the lineup protection he needs to put up MVP numbers?

    First, maybe it’s important that we consider that we need to replace it in the lineup in total, not necessarily specifically at 3B. After all, we do actually have a need in the OF, even if it’s been overshadowed by the 3B saga.

    As it currently stands, our OF is configured by RAJ in RF, Ender in CF, and a platoon of Duvall/Nick in LF. And quite honestly, in this humble fan’s opinion, that’s really just 1 bona fide ML quality OF. Yes, Ender has had Gold Glove seasons in CF, but last year was not one of them. And his bat didn’t exactly cause any pitcher to quake in his cleats, especially after he was dropped to the bottom of the lineup.

    But let’s go back to Ender’s defense, which is his bread and butter. Ender has suffered a series of leg injuries over the last couple of years, which has had a direct effect on his defensive prowess. Defense is a little tricky to “measure”, but here are his defensive ratings for the last 4 years, since he’s been in ATL:

    2016: 11.5 UZR/150, 10.4 Def
    2017: 2.7 UZR/150, 5.2 Def
    2018: 7.4 UZR/150, 9.5 Def
    2019: 1.4 UZR/150, 1.4 Def

    Whether or not those “advanced metrics” are accurate or not, there is still a comparative aspect to them. And even Stevie Wonder can see something has gone awry in Ender’s game.

    So perhaps we ought to be more focused on replacing JDon’s 37 HR by acquiring a more ML worthy OF to go with RAJ. To that end, a trade for Starling Marte would cure many of those ill’s.

    So stay with me here…

    What if AA were to work a trade with PIT? Marte is slated to earn $11.5M in 2020, and has a $12.5M option for 2021. Those are dirt cheap numbers for a power hitting OF. It’s also a prime opportunity for a new GM to begin his rebuild with a top asset. Ender’s $7M salary and contract control for 3 more years might just be attractive to a rebuilding team like the Pirates, especially if we sweeten it with a prospect like Kyle Wright and toss in Phil Pfeiffer to make it work.

    Now we’ve added 23 HR’s back into the mix in the form of a RH bat that can play CF allowing RAJ to stay in RF where his arm plays best.

    But what about 3B? I’ve decided to get a little creative here, because I really need another LH bat to help balance the lineup. I’m gonna look at Didi Gregorious. Yes I know he’s a SS, but how many SS have moved to 3B later in their career’s, especially those looking for a starting job? And isn’t that the kind of IF defense I want? Didi brings 16 more HR’s from 2019, from the LH side if the plate. And he’s expected to receive 3/42 for his services. That’s an AAV of $13M. If you add that $13M to Marte’s $11.5, you get about the same amount JD is gonna get by himself, and you’ve addressed 2 positions in the process.

    And don’t miss that you’ve also subtracted Ender’s $7M, which can be used in pursuit of the mythical TOTR pitcher..

    Now let’s look at that lineup:

    RAJ, RF (R)
    Ozzie, 2B (S)
    Freddie, 1B (L)
    Marte, CF (R)
    Didi, 3B (L)
    Duvall/Nick, LF (P)
    d’Arnaud, C (R)
    Dansby, SS (R)

    I believe that dog will hunt. I also believe it still leaves room for Cristian Pache to arrive in 2021 and for Drew Waters to arrive in 2022. Of course, it might spell doom for Austin Riley in ATL. He may become trade bait to help us fill other needs, and that’s OK. And by the time Didi is ready to relinquish 3B, prized youngster Braden Shewmake will be ready to take over. (If you aren’t familiar with Shewmake, you should be. He’s a college kid drafted by the Braves just last year who bypassed Rookie League altogether, opening in low-A Rome and finishing the season in AA Pearl. Currently a SS, he plays all over the field and his 6’4″ frame profiles very nicely at 3B. The kid is known for a great eye, hits for average and will continue to add power as his big body fills out with man-muscle. While he doesn’t grade a plus-plus in any category, he also doesn’t grade below plus in any, either.)

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  143. 261 Vox O'Reasoñ December 3, 2019 at 11:47 am

    Gil…

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  144. 263 Vox O'Reasoñ December 3, 2019 at 5:04 pm

    If you take a quick glance at our current 40-man roster, it doesn’t take much imagination to see what the 26-man active roster would look like if the season were starting tonight.

    Yikes.

    The bullpen looks great with Melancon, Smith, Greene, Martin, LJackson, O’Day, Dayton, and (fill in the blank with any number of long relief options).

    But then comes the rotation. Not quite as good. It starts fine with Soroka, Fried, and Folty. Then t goes a little wonky with Newk and one of rookies Wright or Wilson.

    Once again I say yikes.

    If you think that’s balky, look at the starting 8. The top 3 are fantastic with RAJ (RF), Ozzie (2B), and Freddie (1B). Then you have to get creative in the middle with Riley (3B), d’Arnaud (C), and the platoon of Duvall/Markakis (LF). It’s rounded off with Ender (CF) and Dansby (SS).

    Have I said yikes yet?

    But the worst is the bench. I have Flow and I have Johan. I also have the remainder of the Duvall/Markakis platoon. But after that… I haven’t got much to pick from on the 40-man roster. In fact, the only other position players are 2 catchers not ready for prime time (AJackson and Contreras) and a kid OF that also isn’t ripe yet (Pache). I have a butt ton of pitchers, but no one for the bench. I’m in trouble.

    Yikes.

    AA, you got some work to do buddy. Get to it.

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  145. 264 Vox O'Reasoñ December 3, 2019 at 6:01 pm

    You can pretty much remove Zack Wheeler from AA’s shopping list. Ken Rosenthal’s sources say “Wheeler already has at least one offer in hand of at least $100MM”, and USA Today’s Bob Nightengale reports “The White Sox are ‘willing’ to push beyond the five-year, $100MM mark in order to sign Wheeler”. Heyman believes It’s possible and “maybe even probable” that he’ll sign before the Winter Meetings open next week.

    I think the action over the next 2 weeks could be fast and furious. The Chisox are ready to assemble a winning team and are not waiting around for other teams to take their pieces. They are gonna push the action on other GM’s. Hopefully ours is ready to get his agenda done in a short time frame.

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  146. 265 berigan2electricboogaloo December 3, 2019 at 7:29 pm

    Man, Starling Marte just doesn’t send a thrill up my leg….never more than 23 HR’s in any season(last season was his career high with the juiced ball) Does steal a base or two (but, he’s 31 now)
    and he misses a lot of games per year. 30 game last year, 17 games in 2018, 85 games in 2017(steroid/hgh suspension) 33 games in 2016. only one season did he top 150 games, 2015. so you really need a good 5th outfielder…and…teams will walk FF all day, like they have every year except last year….

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    • 266 Vox O'Reasoñ December 4, 2019 at 8:41 am

      Well, when compared to Josh Donaldson, no. But I’m talking about replacing Ender.

      Using the WAR stat as a comparison only, Marte posted a 2.9 WAR (with a .845 OPS, 23 HR’s) in 2019 as opposed to Ender’s 0.6 WAR (.740 OPS, 5 HR’s). For a relatively minimal $4M more I can put a much better player on the field.

      Plus, I am not counting on Marte alone to fill Donaldson’s HR void. But Ender has stretches where he is a void, so there’s that.

      Is it ideal? Well, Ideally, we’d re-sign JDon and trade for Marte. But you make improvements where you can.

      You all know I’ve never been a big Ender fan, but I’ve tolerated his light bat because of his defense. But now that the legs are failing and the defense is dropping off..? Seems like a waste of $7M to me.

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  147. 267 Vox O'Reasoñ December 4, 2019 at 8:30 am

    Buster Olney: The bidding for right-hander Zack Wheeler continues to progress toward resolution, with the Philadelphia Phillies seen by sources as the most potent bidders — and the Reds, White Sox and Rangers also involved.

    Well, Wheeler has been in our division already, but I’m not sure I’d want him on the Phillies over the Mets. At least you can count on the Mets to wet the bed.

    Now supposin’, which is not always a good thing, but supposin’ the Phils do sign Wheeler and the Nats bring Strasburg back… how does AA respond? Does AA “respond”? He always says you don’t act based on what others do, but is that accurate? If you can’t beat the teams in your division, you won’t get a chance to do anything else in October…

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  148. 268 Vox O'Reasoñ December 4, 2019 at 12:34 pm

    I like this alot!!

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    • 269 Vox O'Reasoñ December 4, 2019 at 12:36 pm

      Qualifier: I hope this isn’t the only pitching move they make. Hamels is a perfect fit for this clubhouse, especially as a mentor to Max Fried (and maybe Sean Newcomb too). But he isn’t the TOTR guy we still need. Hopefully we’ll still hear of a trade to bring that guy in.

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    • 270 Vox O'Reasoñ December 4, 2019 at 12:40 pm

      The best part of this is watching the Philles’ fans melting down. They thought he was coming home. 😆

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  149. 271 Vox O'Reasoñ December 4, 2019 at 12:52 pm

    Confirmed. As I said, I like it alot. Looks like AA went a little above expected AAV to get him on a 1-year deal. I think that was smart for both sides.

    And I still want to add another pitcher. I think adding this lefty might preclude the anticipated MadBum signing.A harder throwing righty would be a better fit for the rotation now. Ryu maybe? Who knows..? But my gut tells me this isn’t the big pitching add. I still think there’s another coming via trade.

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  150. 272 Vox O'Reasoñ December 4, 2019 at 12:54 pm

    Agree.

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  151. 273 Gil in Mechanicsville December 4, 2019 at 1:30 pm

    Okay, replacement for Kichel done. Now Julio

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  152. 274 Vox O'Reasoñ December 4, 2019 at 1:52 pm

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  153. 275 Vox O'Reasoñ December 4, 2019 at 1:52 pm

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  154. 276 Vox O'Reasoñ December 4, 2019 at 1:56 pm

    If the Hamels signing is the only addition to the rotation, but AA takes the remaining FA $$ and brings Donaldson back, I’m perfectly OK with that. It means a guy like Newcomb or Wright or Wilson has to step up to the #5 spot, but they all are capable of it. They just have to do it.

    Rotation as of today: Soroka, Hamels, Folty, Fried, Newk/Wright/Wilson. I’ll take that to get JDon back.

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  155. 277 Gil in Mechanicsville December 4, 2019 at 2:26 pm

    Wheeler to Phillies… wheeee. this is going to be fun…

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  156. 278 Vox O'Reasoñ December 4, 2019 at 2:29 pm

    Busy day in the pitching market.

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  157. 280 Gil in Mechanicsville December 4, 2019 at 2:30 pm

    So, Braves really need to cement the BIG middle of the line-up bat, third base or left field, take your pick…

    Now, can the Braves fix Riley? We have seen his potential. What was it that happened? Injury, rookieitis?

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  158. 281 Gil in Mechanicsville December 4, 2019 at 2:31 pm

    To me, you have the Phllies and the Braves both looking for the big 3rd base bat.

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  159. 282 Gil in Mechanicsville December 4, 2019 at 2:33 pm

    Also not looked at seriously but something to think about… Camago before he was sent down to Gwinnett or after he returned. Which one is the real Johan?

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  160. 283 Vox O'Reasoñ December 4, 2019 at 2:38 pm

    TBH, I’d love nothing better than for one of the Braves top pitching prospects – Kyle Wright or Bryse Wilson – to make that final step and earn the #5 job. Both have more than a year at AAA, and neither should spend another whole season there. (And don’t sleep on Ian Anderson.)

    Newk was very good out our bullpen last season, and given the new bullpen rules beginning this upcoming season, he could be even more valuable there again. Given the choice of Newk or Grant Dayton, I’m taking Newk.

    Bottom line is that it’s really time for Wright and/or Wilson to equal their prospect status and take the next step to the ML squad. All they would do is lengthen and strengthen an already talented pitching staff.

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  161. 284 Vox O'Reasoñ December 4, 2019 at 2:41 pm

    So, Braves really need to cement the BIG middle of the line-up bat, third base or left field, take your pick

    100% agree that has to be the next step taken. And if AA has to shoot all his remaining bullets to bring JD home, then I think this team is still good enough to stay atop the division without any additional pitching.

    JD has to be priority #1 now.

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    • 285 Vox O'Reasoñ December 4, 2019 at 2:46 pm

      I think there will still be a big contract given to fill a hole, and that AA will shed a big salary to help make it happen… either the projected $6.5M owed Shane Greene, the $7.7M owed Ender Inciarte, or perhaps even a portion of the $14M owed Mark Melancon.

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  162. 286 Vox O'Reasoñ December 4, 2019 at 2:48 pm

    While I’m opining, it would be great if they could still go out and get another big arm as well as the needed big bat, but realistically I think only one of those things will happen. But I do think one of those things will still happen.

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  163. 287 Vox O'Reasoñ December 4, 2019 at 3:38 pm

    I drool thinking about the opportunity for both Max Fried and Sean Newcomb to sit at the feet of Cole Hamels and learn. In fact, from that perspective I like him better than MadBum. This deal may be for only 1 year, but it might pay off for years to come.

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  164. 288 Vox O'Reasoñ December 5, 2019 at 8:34 am

    Well, Josh Donaldson is not a Brave yet. What’s AA’s problem? It’s been at least several hours since the Hamels signing. What are they doing over there?
    😉

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  165. 289 Gil in Mechanicsville December 5, 2019 at 11:03 am

    Probably waiting for everyone on the left coast to wake up… Not sure which is better/worse, being 3 hours ahead or behind the rest of the country…

    Out to help the boss finish with the Christmas lights outside. So much for getting ahead of the curve, we left the icicles hanging from the gutters from last year as this is the most difficult task to perform each year and getting old makes more difficult each year. Guess what happens to Christmas lights when lightning zaps your house? No, it doesn’t suddenly transport your house to the Land of Oz…. It forces you to shell out another $150 to replace them all and you still have to climb a stinking ladder….

    So, later folks, let me know when AA seals the deal….

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  166. 290 Vox O'Reasoñ December 5, 2019 at 2:54 pm

    AA is cooking up a big trade… I can feel it in my gut. Not sure if he’ll pull it of before the Winter Meetings or not, but it’s gonna happen. This one is going to involve a big name and some prospects we don’t want to move. It will probably also involve someone we’re used to seeing on the field.

    The gut doesn’t lie. (It’s sometimes wrong, but it doesn’t lie.)

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  167. 292 Vox O'Reasoñ December 5, 2019 at 7:52 pm

    That’s quite the admission. I bet the GM is having a conniption about now…

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  168. 293 Gordon Lawrence December 5, 2019 at 10:25 pm

    Just thinkin’:
    Did you feel the shock waves from the MIKE MOUSTAKAS signing.
    Not thrilled by the HAMELS get.
    This move combined with Moose elsewhere says to me,” JOSH DONALDSON has at least a 50-50 shot at returning as a BRAVE.”
    That eventually isn’t terrible of course.
    Then there’s always the trade route for another 3B rather than inhouse options.
    I’m not all that comfortable with RILEY/CAMARGO at 3B, and LH HAMELS the only vet get on the hill.
    I’m not sure we make another SP move, however.
    If COLE was the low-priced market-spread at 18m for one, and the “Bringer” is in the 25m per range, we could be essentially done at that point with his acquisition.
    Without DONALDSON, we must surely get a short term bat with some pop in the outfield like a YASAIL PUIG.
    We have the LH’er now, so if NEWCOMB doesn’t pan out as a starter, HAMELS is the insurance policy.
    I still don’t see that TOR we need though, and I’m not sure he will magically appear in a BRAVES uni.
    That MOUSTAKAS earthquake may create some cracks in our foundation for 2020 if AA doesn’t mix enough financial morter to repair the damage.

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  169. 294 Vox O'Reasoñ December 6, 2019 at 8:47 am

    Just my opinion, but…

    If we DO re-sign Donaldson, but the result is that we enter the 2020 season with the current rotation options, then I believe I can still sleep at night.

    If we DO NOT address 3B, but we DO add a TOTR arm instead, I’m honestly not as comfortable.

    Here’s my reasoning: Adding another rotation arm will only directly effect 1 out of 5 games. But not having that power source hitting behind Freddie will effect the way the lineup turns every single game. And if I had to place a vote of confidence on who will prove to be more consistent in 2020, our in-house 3B’s or our young pitchers, I’m probably leaning toward our young pitchers.

    BUT… all of that is speculation.

    I still believe that before P&CR, AA will add 3 more items, maybe even in this order: 3B, rotation arm, and UTIL. I believe that some or maybe most of that will come via trade. He’s got some chips to work with, and I believe he’ll cash them in this year. We also can’t so focused on pitching and 3B that we forget that at this moment we don’t have a complete bench. Adding an everyday 3B will help to shake that out somewhat, but we still need to replace Charlie… and lest we forget we still need to replace Matt Joyce as well.

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    • 295 Vox O'Reasoñ December 6, 2019 at 8:51 am

      I suppose the thinking could be that deploying a LF platoon of Adam Duvall/Nick Markakis effectively replaces Matt Joyce since that gives you 4 OF already. And maybe it does. I’ll have to think about that one. But the new 26-man roster also gives you the ability to have a traditional 5-man bench again. As I see it right now, we have Flow as BUC, Johan as IF/OF (assuming 3B is addressed), and the leftover of Duvall/Markakis. That’s it. Need a LH bopper and real SS option.

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    • 296 Vox O'Reasoñ December 6, 2019 at 8:54 am

      I’d like to see Matt Joyce return to our bench. I think he fits it well. Rumor is that the Orioles want to sign Adeiny Hechavarría to be their everyday SS, so the option to bring him back to our bench is likely off the table. Need a slick glove kinda guy.

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      • 297 Vox O'Reasoñ December 6, 2019 at 9:09 am

        Wonder if recently non-tendered Jose Peraza could reunite with the Braves? He’s a guy that played alot of SS, but turned into a UTIL player last season in Cincy, playing all over the field for the Red Legs.

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      • 298 Vox O'Reasoñ December 6, 2019 at 9:13 am

        … and there isn’t a real in-house option at SS in the system. The closest is youngster Braden Shewmake who finished 2019 at AA Pearl after being drafted last June. But he’s realistically 2 years from being a ML contributor.

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  170. 299 Vox O'Reasoñ December 6, 2019 at 9:45 am

    I need to reiterate, I believe that AA will make at least one trade to address our rotation needs. It likely won’t be for an “ace” per se, but it will be for a proven effective starter. Someone like Matthew Boyd, Robbie Ray or Jon Gray fit that bill. I think CLE is keeping Corey Kluber.

    The Bosox need to cut payroll desperately, and might consider trading Eduardo Rodriguez for the right package. That’d be a nice “get” for AA. He’s a LH that won 19 games last season with a 3.81 over 203.1 IP, and is projected to earn $9.5M in his 3rd trip through arb. As a Super 2 guy, he’ll get a 4th year of arb in 2021 before hitting the FA market in 2022.

    The Sawx might consider a trade if we send back an upper level prospect (Kyle Wright?) and a lower cost rotation option to plug in (Sean Newcomb?). Almost certainly need to throw in another mid-level prospect as well. That is probably a basic skeleton of any deal to bring back a proven arm.

    GM’s are going to ask for Max Fried. It’s gonna be tough to discern what’s a good deal and what isn’t. I think Fried can be as good as any of the veteran names we’ve already mentioned. That curve… devastating…

    And you can bet the Pirates will explore dumping Chris Archer. It’d be a “sell-low” scenario for them, so they could wait until mid-season in hopes that he rebuilds his value. I wonder if he can bounce back to his prior effectiveness, or is the 2019 version the real version? I think he can be good again under the right coaching and in the right environment, and he’s signed for 2 more seasons at a fairly affordable $9M and &11M respectively. Maybe AA works a blockbuster with PIT to acquire both Archer and Starling Marte? Be still my heart…

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  171. 300 Vox O'Reasoñ December 6, 2019 at 9:54 am

    I see only 2 “untouchable” players for the Braves, those being P Ian Anderson and OF Cristian Pache. I believe there are 3 more who are just outside of being “untouchable”, and the return would have to be exceptional to include them, those being OF Drew Waters, P Kyle Muller, and C Shea Langeliers.

    There is no way Cristian Pache is not starting for the Braves in CF in 2021.

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  172. 302 Vox O'Reasoñ December 6, 2019 at 12:27 pm

    Does William Contreras qualify?

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  173. 303 Vox O'Reasoñ December 6, 2019 at 2:08 pm

    That comment above led me to think… have we ever done a straight up comparison between Shea Langeliers and William Contreras? It might be worth taking a look at.

    Langeliers, the Braves #5 prospect, was the Braves top draft pick last year (9th overall) out of Baylor University. He’s known for his defensive prowess behind the plate, and he was the 2018 Rawlings/ABCA Gold Glove recipient as the best defensive catcher in college baseball. He threw out 22 of 32 would be base-stealers (68.8%) as a sophomore in 2018 and nailed 13 of 23 would be thieves (56.5%) as a junior. The strong-armed Langeliers produced 1.8 second pop times at Baylor; the Major League average pop time on steal attempts is 2.01 seconds, and an average in the 1.9 range is considered elite. After being drafted, he bypassed Rookie League going straight to low-A Rome where he started slow but finished strong showing a final slash line of .255/.310/.343. He grades at plus to plus-plus across the board except in running, where he grades a 40/80. He obviously has some work to do on his hitting, but his defense is considered MLB-level right now. He’s projected to make his ML debut in 2022. At 22, he’s actually a year older than his catching mate William Contreras. Interestingly, his pre-draft ML comp was Cubs catcher Willson Contreras.

    The 21-year-old William Contreras, the Braves #8 prospect, was an int’l signee in 2015 and has steadily progressed his way up the system ladder since. He’s the younger brother of the aforementioned Willson Contreras, so he has a ML pedigree. Defensively, he’s always had a strong arm and is considered to be a good receiver, and has the agility to be a good pitch blocker. He’s proven to be a bit of a free-swinger at times, but he doesn’t strike out a ton, however he also doesn’t walk much. His power is still not consistent, but is expected to develop more as he grows a little more into his “man body”. Still, the power element is not a plus grade on his ratings. He does score at plus to plus-plus at most other phases, the exception also being running where he likewise grades a 40/80. He finished 2019 at AA after toiling the first half of the season at high-A Florida, ending with a composite slash line of .255/.315/.354. William is projected to make his ML debut in 2021. It should come as little surprise that he’s often compared to his big brother Willson Contreras.

    (And it’s equally interesting that the Braves had been connected to trade chatter for Willson Contreras prior to inking Travis d’Arnaud.)

    Looking just at the raw numbers, there is great similarity to the 2 catchers right now offensively, but Langeliers has the upper hand defensively. Both catchers are projected to be regular contributors at the ML level. Langeliers appears to be on a higher trajectory based on his already present elite defense. Either could develop into a complete product and have very productive ML careers if the continue to develop as expected. But with prospects, you simply never know when they will find their ceiling and stall. Christian Bethancourt anybody?

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    • 304 berigan2electricboogaloo December 6, 2019 at 6:37 pm

      V, while I am not sold on Marte (have you seen his Defensive metrics? Not a fan of those numbers usually, but have seen twice that 2 ratings are near the bottom of CF’ers…. is Marte better than Acuna in CF???? Can handle it for this year , then move to Left/right in 2021?
      perhaps we could go after some other outfielder and use a catcher as bait?

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  174. 307 Vox O'Reasoñ December 7, 2019 at 9:45 am

    Today’s prediction:

    Rendon will sign with TEX; WAS will go all in on Strasburg; JDon will come home to ATL; AA will trade for pitching.

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  175. 308 Gil in Mechanicsville December 7, 2019 at 10:21 am

    I can deal with that.

    LOL… Scott Boras was ranting that Lerner said that DC could not afford both Rendon and Strausberg. Now, I don’t blame SB after all, he is just trying to squeeze every nickle out of the system that he can, I would say he is only looking out for his client(s) but above all, Scott Boras is looking out for Scott Boras.

    So, will anyone sign before Christmas? Getting close to the end of the year slow time. Everyone is distracted by shopping, travel, using vacation time and life. I use to hate January because all the big bosses would come back from their vacations in Europe and feel like they had to make something happen.

    Okay, make it happen Alex…

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    • 309 Gordon Lawrence December 7, 2019 at 5:17 pm

      It already has happened.
      REDS locking up MOUSTAKAS.
      AA’s control of this off-season slipped away when that went down.

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      • 310 Vox O'Reasoñ December 8, 2019 at 7:32 am

        I believe the deal Moose signed will have a ripple effect on the rest of the market, but I don’t think it has cost AA the ability to do what he wants this offseason. We are the ones, with the help of the speculative media, who connected Moose to ATL anyway. I never read anything from the Braves front office regarding any specific interest. And while it certainly made sense to consider him a “fallback option”, clearly the market decided he was a first tier choice.

        AA still has options from which to choose to fill the void left by JDon… including JDon himself. And as we’ve seen demonstrated several times already this offseason, a deal can come together quickly without even the slightest hint of anything occurring. AA has plenty of cards left to play. This upcoming week should be fun and interesting.

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  176. 311 Vox O'Reasoñ December 8, 2019 at 12:11 pm

    Oh joy…

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  177. 312 Vox O'Reasoñ December 8, 2019 at 12:31 pm

    It would seem that there are at least a few “experts” who believe that the winning team in the Josh Donaldson lottery may need to offer 4 years, which almost certainly gives AL teams an advantage in that they could utilize JDon as a DH a little here and there, and lot more in the 3rd and 4th years. But I’m not convinced that’s as much as an advantage as first meets the eye. Many are not aware, or at least not thinking about the fact that the current CBA between the owners and MLBPA runs out at the end of the 2021 season. And if the owners want to prevent a work stoppage (also known by the ugly “S” word that I shall not type), they will need to come to the table with some meaty concessions. IMO, the one bargaining chip they can offer that the players would surely embrace is the adopting of the DH by the NL. And whether or not I like it doesn’t matter. It’s inevitable. I accepted it a while ago when I realized that it has at times in the past given AL teams a distinct advantage in assembling rosters. And the JDon conundrum is a prime example of it. Is it feasible for the Braves to offer 4 years to the already 34 year old former MVP?

    But perhaps this time AA can look ahead to the next CBA when considering his offer that will extend past the 2021 season whether it’s for 3 or 4 years. The DH is coming. You can bank on it. The addition of the 26th man on the active roster is a foreshadowing of it. And NL GM’s better start preparing for it.

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  178. 313 Vox O'Reasoñ December 8, 2019 at 12:50 pm

    Santa makes his first stops of the Christmas season in the 30 ML cities starting tomorrow. I am so excited!! I may not sleep tonight! This is my favorite time of the year, even more than the July 31 trade deadline… although it’s very close.

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  179. 314 carolinalady December 8, 2019 at 9:20 pm

    You know what, guys?? We missed our own birthday party!
    Happy 12th birthday to US!
    111,132 hits. Not too shabby for a small group like us. Quality over quantity any day!

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    • 315 Gil in Mechanicsville December 9, 2019 at 8:30 am

      Yes CL, I glance at the birthday calendar yesterday and noticed we had missed it. I could not remember how long we had been around though and could not figure out how to get back to episode #1…. Congratulations to us and especially you for providing our little corner of the bloggasphere.

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  180. 316 berigan2electricboogaloo December 8, 2019 at 10:00 pm

    well…knock me over with a feather! I would have loved to see Dale Murphy get in too, but to be fair Mr. Simmons has been waiting a bit longer (and has a higher B.A. and drove in more RBI’s 😉 ) but seriously, I never, ever thought this would happen, at least while he was alive….
    https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/12/ted-simmons-marvin-miller-elected-to-baseball-hall-of-fame.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

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  181. 317 Vox O'Reasoñ December 9, 2019 at 8:27 am

    Ignoring Dale Murphy for the HOF is a travesty. No disrespect to Ted Simmons or anyone else already enshrined, but when the Hall can continuously snub Murphy – he received “less than 3” votes – while including Harold Baines… yes Harold Baines who never finished higher than 9th in MVP voting in his entire career, discredits the Hall as a whole.

    I no longer care. It has lost all credibility.

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    • 318 Vox O'Reasoñ December 9, 2019 at 8:39 am

      Lobbying from a well placed MLB exec should have no influence. Just illustrates the loss of integrity.

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  182. 319 Gil in Mechanicsville December 9, 2019 at 8:35 am

    Yes, I know Ber has been on the Ted Simmons band wagon a long time. I actually saw Simmons play in Richmond as a first baseman. Wow, a long time ago and I was maybe 12 or so. Hard to remember that far in the past but it was when Seattle’s nickname was the Pilots from which he was acquired.

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  183. 320 Vox O'Reasoñ December 9, 2019 at 8:36 am

    Well, Joc Pederson… there’s your 36 HR’s. He’s no JD, but he’s also projected to earn just $8.5M in his last year of arb, which also means it’s a short commitment. We know that AA likes to operate in short commitments to hired guns.

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    • 321 Gil in Mechanicsville December 9, 2019 at 11:33 am

      I have absolutely no idea of what Alex has in mind other than adding someone new to the roster that we don’t know about or thought about. At least someone we have not had on our radar. Perhaps somewhere deep in the bowls of Sun Trust Park where all the IT guys are busy crunching their analytical scouting, they have come up with a master plan to acquirer Joc Peterson or something but I am a little bumfuzzeled as to why they let Dansby’s twin brother go.

      Prophet star for me maybe…. 🙂

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  184. 322 Vox O'Reasoñ December 9, 2019 at 9:12 am

    If I am Josh Donaldson, I’m waiting for Anthony Rendon to sign first. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that JD’s market will intensify when the big fish comes off the board. Of course, Rendon is represented by Scott Boras, who will seek to milk the last dime out of any team interested. Keny Rosensource was reporting last night that Boras is seeking a 7 year commitment for Rendon.

    TEX is of course the presumed favorite to sign Rendon. They need a high profile star to help open their new building, and nobody fits that bill better than Rendon who is a Texas native and played college ball at Rice University in nearby Houston. He actually is the ideal acquisition for the Rangers, who have not been bashful about expressing their desire to bring Rendon home. Of course, that only gives Boras more leverage with which to negotiate.

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  185. 323 Vox O'Reasoñ December 9, 2019 at 9:15 am

    It’s now after 6am in San Diego. Time to rise and shine and make deals.

    Ready… go!

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  186. 324 berigan2electricboogaloo December 9, 2019 at 9:22 am

    well…I’m happy about Ted Simmons finally getting in. :/
    V, Ted was, pardon the language CL, screwed out of the honor by the Hated (at least by me) Whitey Herzog, made sure he didn’t get enough votes decades ago. He’s 70 now. I was wondering if he was even in ill health, to be the only player voted in by the vets. Sadly, there is politics involved in the process…. Murph will get in.
    Keith Hernandez tweeted about Simmons getting in…

    now here’s the thing, Keith Hernandez was one of the best 1st basemen…ever! (some even say the best) and while he played for the Mutts for several years, and broadcasts for them to this day….not enough HOF votes for him either. Like Dale, he crashed in his early 30’s (last good season was his age 33 year) but, a .296 career B.A. .384 OBP, fewer strikeouts than walks, and HOF defense, and 29 seasons since his last game…
    Murph, Simmons, and Hernandez all suffered playing on lousy teams much of their careers…pre espn, MLB.TV, etc…

    M

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  187. 325 Gil in Mechanicsville December 9, 2019 at 11:38 am

    I’m having a tough time staying awake this morning…. Too much politics, not enough real news…

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  188. 326 Vox O'Reasoñ December 9, 2019 at 1:04 pm

    It’s sure sounding more and more like the winner of the Josh Donaldson sweepstakes is gonna have to guarantee that 4th year to make it happen. I just don’t think AA is gonna do that… :-/

    It’s time to start giving serious consideration to realistic alternatives.

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  189. 327 Vox O'Reasoñ December 9, 2019 at 2:03 pm

    I swear these guys get their material from the ol’ B&S…

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  190. 329 Vox O'Reasoñ December 9, 2019 at 2:07 pm

    B&S poll question:

    If the Braves cannot pony up the hefty contract for JD, would you be comfortable with a power OF bat and Camargo/Riley sharing 3B?

    Remember, losing JD not only means losing his production, it also directly affects Freddie Freeman who enjoyed what it meant to have a real cleanup hitter behind him.

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    • 330 Gil in Mechanicsville December 9, 2019 at 2:56 pm

      Yes, like I said, a power bat to protect Freddie could be either 3rd baseman or outfielder. I also believe Acuna will progress to be a clean up hitter as he matures. So yes, I think we could live with it either way.

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  191. 331 Vox O'Reasoñ December 9, 2019 at 2:39 pm

    The latest chatter on Kris Bryant says the Cubs would love to be able to move him now while the 3B feeding frenzy is in full swing. Reports way they want cheap LH pitching. That means he’d probably cost Sean Newcomb and Kyle Muller. Maybe you could hang onto Muller if you dangled Tucker Davidson and another throw-in.

    At any rate, the price will be steep, especially since the outcome of his grievance against the Cubs is still unknown. TO refresh your memories, his grievance against the Cubs states the club manipulated his service time in order to gain an extra year of team control. He is seeking to gain an extra year of service time, meaning he would become a FA in 2021. Most “experts” believe he will lose that grievance because the Cubs were within their rights to call him up to the ML club whenever they chose to do so. But the possibility still remains that he could be a 1 year rental.

    This fan says I’d love the deal if we had the assurance that an agreement on a long-term deal would come along with it. But Bryant’s agent is Scott Boras, so the possibility of an extension is not very high. Still, I’d rather commit long term $$ to Kris Bryant over Josh Donaldson. Maybe Boras would look at a trade + extension as hitting the FA market early if the $$ were right.

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  192. 332 Vox O'Reasoñ December 9, 2019 at 2:42 pm

    This is the reason AA struck early in the reliever market. Glad our guy is out ahead of the curve.

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  193. 333 Vox O'Reasoñ December 9, 2019 at 2:44 pm

    Is there anyone on the business that cites “sources” as much as Kenny Rosensource?

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  194. 334 Vox O'Reasoñ December 9, 2019 at 2:50 pm

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  195. 338 Vox O'Reasoñ December 9, 2019 at 2:55 pm

    Now that the Nats have a deal in place for Strasburg, it takes them out of the running for Rendon. That’s a good thing for the Braves since it increases the chances of Rendon going to TEX or LAD, shrinking the market for JD.

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  196. 340 Gil in Mechanicsville December 9, 2019 at 3:05 pm

    So, how long before the Nats charge $100 for bleacher seats?

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  197. 341 Vox O'Reasoñ December 9, 2019 at 3:07 pm

    There is already speculation that WAS might look at JD since they are out on Rendon, but that doesn’t make alot of sense to me. While JD won’t make the same level of $$ that Rendon will, it’s still in that upper tier. Plus, the Nats’ #1 prospect (and baseball’s #20) is a kid named Carter Kieboom, who is listed as a SS. We all know that no one is moving Trea Turner off SS for the Nats. A move to 3B is actually more natural for Kieboom, whose 6’2″ / 190 lb. frame projects quite well to the hot corner.

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  198. 342 Vox O'Reasoñ December 9, 2019 at 3:55 pm

    I still believe the Braves are positioned to make a big trade, and that we will all be surprised by the names involved (going both ways) since the ever stealthy AA has a track record of pulling names out of left field… maybe this time literally.

    Something else to think about…

    The 40-man roster currently sits at 38, and the Braves need to add 1 starting pitcher, 1 cleanup hitter, and 1 bench piece. That adds up to 41 according to my public school education. I fully expect to see one of our current pitchers go away. Actually, I expect to see both a starter (Newk or Folty) and a reliever (Greene) sent off in trade along with at least one of our prized prospects.

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  199. 343 berigan2electricboogaloo December 9, 2019 at 3:58 pm

    remember how excited we all were last year about a 22 year old 3rd baseman, named Riley?How he was hotter than a pistol in AAA, and for about 6 weeks, what smokin’ hot in the majors? then, he got just as cool. Well, does he even have 200 games between AA and AAA? We are just going to give up on him now? Trade him away for a #3 starter, as there are NO #1’s or even #2’s out there to trade for (If I’m wrong, please toss some names my way)
    check out Dale Murphy’s age 22 season, when teams ran out starters much longer than they do today (and better bullpen arms today as well) 23 Hrs 79 RBIs 145 strikeouts .226 BA .284 OBP. did they trade him away? (ok, not really fair, as there was no talent to replace him then, was there?) He had a couple of decent seasons, then , at the age of 25….104 games, 14 HR’s 50 RBI’s and .247 BA.
    I know, the braves sucked, but…a 25 year old today (ala Jose Peraza ) is considered old as a position player, and you might trade, or even release him. If they braves had gotten rid of him then, then they would have lost out on 4 MVP or MVP worthy seasons in a row (and would have missed on the playoffs in 82)
    I’m just saying….yeah, if you can get Chris Bryant, I can see doing that. but, otherwise, what are we going to do with him? JD was great, but will he be for 4 more years? No reason to keep Riley around after he is signed, unless they are willing to keep him in left. Would they?
    It’s just weird how quick everyone seems to be to rid ourselves of our top prospects after they got half a season or so to prove themselves. Do I want to get to and win a W.S.! Hell ya!
    do I think yet another AVERAGE starter is what we need? No….Give Bryce Wilson (22 in a week or so) Touki, etc a chance…..I mean, wasn’t every trade to get arms? Only Soroka, Fried, and Ian Anderson , out of all those guys?

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    • 344 Vox O'Reasoñ December 9, 2019 at 4:34 pm

      It’s just weird how quick everyone seems to be to rid ourselves of our top prospects after they got half a season or so to prove themselves.

      Give Bryce Wilson (22 in a week or so) Touki, etc a chance

      I do not necessarily disagree, but… Riley had a great half season, then began to be exposed on certain pitches once “the book” got out on him. Can he make the adjustment? Maybe he can. But the Braves are no longer in wait and see mode. The Braves are in WIN NOW mode, which means they need certainty in the lineup from Day 1. I hope Riley does make the necessary adjustment and reaches the potential we all see in him, but he’s gonna need steady AB’s for that to happen and the Braves cannot afford for his development to continue at the ML level.

      If Wilson or Wright or any other youngster truly wins a spot on the roster, then God bless them and go win games. But my hope is that there won’t be a spot for them to try to win. I prefer the proven commodity at this stage.

      It reminds me of when the Braves traded for Fred McGriff. The fan debate centered around top 1B prospect Ryan Klesko, who was in pretty much the same position Austin Riley is in now. I remember arguing with co-workers that if Klesko panned out to what we wanted, he’d be what McGriff already was. I’ll take the certainty over the possibility any day when I’m trying to win a division that’s getting better around me. And the comparison is even more valid when you consider that the Cubs reportedly are seeking LH pitching and a CF in return for Bryant. That means Riley would remain in the system… much like Klesko did. It also means Riley could see more time in LF… much like Klesko did.

      Remember, prospects are developed for 2 reasons: 1, contribute at the ML level; and 2, be traded to fill holes. This is the year that some of our vaunted prospects will have to do one or the other.

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  200. 345 Vox O'Reasoñ December 9, 2019 at 4:12 pm

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  201. 346 Vox O'Reasoñ December 9, 2019 at 4:44 pm

    I have seen mentioned in a couple of places that the Cubs would want Max Fried in any package for Kris Bryant.

    Not just no, but #3!! no. I’m not giving Max Fried up for anyone except maybe Jacob deGrom.

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  202. 347 Vox O'Reasoñ December 9, 2019 at 4:47 pm

    Let me reiterate, I want the 2020 Braves rotation to include Mike Soroka, Cole Hamels and Max Fried in the very least. I see Fried as a real breakout candidate for 2020. I think he’s going to establish himself among the league’s best LH’ers. No way should he be included in any deals. Period.

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  203. 348 Vox O'Reasoñ December 9, 2019 at 5:41 pm

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  204. 349 berigan2electricboogaloo December 9, 2019 at 9:34 pm

    v, I have been thinking about this for awhile…perhaps too much 😉 Let’s see if I can make any sense here….probably not.

    the braves won the division , won the season series against the Nats and….the Nats beat the Dodgers, the team that beat the Braves, and won the W.S.
    is the 162 game season just a joke? I mean, we were all filled with such hope for the playoffs, and poof…an inferior team walked right over us (like they had the signs or something in game 5)

    I almost feel like we have to think of the regular season as what it is, a complete entity unto itself. In other words, be really happy that our team won the division, then realize that our team is NOT likely to get into the W.S. the odds are against that, and IF it happens, be even happier than before of course….but it shouldn’t even relate to the great regular season. Of course it does, but a hot team , a hot starter, can roll over anyone…like the Nats

    So, the braves as of today (no doubt as I write this, the braves will either re-sign JD, or trade for Mookie Betts) is a team that surprisingly won the 2018 NL East, and then surprisingly won the 2019 NL East (well, surprisingly to MLB writers that don’t really follow the team) we needed a starter, and bullpen help for much of the season, yet…we still won the division.
    The Nats won 93 games, even after letting Bryce Harper go, and not replacing him. The Yankees seemingly had no real rotation, only signed one guy, and they were in a division with the W.S. champ Red Sox! the Yanks lost their all star 3rd baseman . They were going to go with the since retired Troy Tulowitzki at shortstop for their injured shortstop. Their 1st baseman was injured. Key bullpen arms were down. They still won 100 games. My point? well….why can’t the braves go with Austin Riley or Wilson in the rotation? Wasn’t the team in a win now mode…in 2019?
    I really like the bullpen, I don’t want to see anyone in the pen traded away. an injury or two, then what?
    The Outfield is…not great. actually have less concerns over RF than CF or LF if a trade is not swung for a big bopper…That’s were I see the real need. that big bopper could/should be the bat behind F.F. Riley and/or Comargo can hold the fort at 3rd if JD doesn’t re-up. I know, the Phils have improved, the Mutts still have a very good rotation, the Nats while likely no better, won’t be a lot worse. Their wunderkind that you mentioned up a post or two…well, he may come up next year, who knows? ( I still can see them re-signing their 3rd baseman, no matter how poor the Nats Ownership claims to be) I don’t think after Soto, and Trea Turner, they are too concerned about throwing a kid into the fire, so to speak.
    the Braves can still win 90 games, if they stay healthy. Heck, with no Julio T on the team, most any starter will go deeper into games, resting the great bullpen even more!

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    • 350 Vox O'Reasoñ December 10, 2019 at 8:04 am

      IMHO, the Braves have no shot at defending their NL East crown without acquiring a real cleanup hitter to provide the same consistent threat that JD posed behind Freddie int he lineup. I do believe they can compete with the starting pitching they have right now, even though I think it could be better. But I would be more willing to go into the season with my young pitching than I would trying to pin offensive hopes on Adam Duvall, Johan Camargo, and Austin Riley.

      2 things must happen: acquire a middle of the order bat, and acquire a backup SS. Those are definite needs. Everything else is just enhancement.

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  205. 351 Vox O'Reasoñ December 10, 2019 at 7:53 am

    Nothing new here…

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  206. 352 Vox O'Reasoñ December 10, 2019 at 7:55 am

    Interest? Maybe. Pursuing the veteran that is now seeking a longer term deal than AA will offer? I doubt it very seriously unless Liberty Media has simply opened up the vault for reckless plunder.

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  207. 353 Vox O'Reasoñ December 10, 2019 at 9:14 am

    AA from his presser yesterday, courtesy of the abundance of beat writers:

    “I think it’s fair to say we want something for the middle of the order”

    “Look, we’ve been pretty clear that we would like to get a defender at shortstop, a utility role w/ defense being the No. 1 characteristic. So that’s definitely on our list. And the 26th man we’re not sure yet (how they’ll utilize it).”

    Again, no news here… but it does clarify that we are pretty much on track of what to expect.

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  208. 354 Gordon Lawrence December 10, 2019 at 9:24 am

    MADBUM is still a no for me.
    Same with COLE HAMELS.
    I’d rather let our young arms learn how to pitch at the major league level even to the detriment of pennants and championships.
    Patience is warrented here, and hopefully, AA has it.
    Additionally, we should never trade top young prospects for aging top veterans.
    That’s fools gold, and no way to build a top flight program.

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    • 355 Vox O'Reasoñ December 10, 2019 at 9:43 am

      You do not like the Cole Hamels deal? IMO, Hamels is the ideal veteran to bring along our young lefties. I’m pretty happy we brought him in to give a veteran presence to the youngsters. He’s battle tested and reputed to be a great teammate.

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      • 356 Gordon Lawrence December 10, 2019 at 9:56 am

        I don’t.
        My opinion of HAMELS is not good at this stage of his career irrespective of any numbers.
        However, looking at numbers, a WAR last year of 3.00 career 59.6. A whip of 1.391 with a career of 1.183.
        He will be 36+ when the season starts.
        Injury is problematic as is his power.
        Hopefully, he’s adapted his game, and learned to get outs with smarts not voltage.
        If the guy is out of the rotation by September, either through injury or ineptitude, you can say you read it first right here………
        If he has a stellar resurrection ala JOSH DONALDSON, you can remind me I was wrong.

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        • 357 Gordon Lawrence December 10, 2019 at 10:18 am

          I agree with you on one point only. relating to COLE
          The teaching aspect and clubhouse demeanor.
          Both of which are excellent in my opinion.
          That’s the only plus I see at this point to a HAMELS get.
          Last season, I felt NICK was washed up, but Kakes is like a fine wine, it mellows softly, and ages slowly.
          I’m sure management has impressed that fact upon the Neck, or they would not have offered another one-year contract.
          He will be excellent in a platoon circumstance in 2020.
          I was wrong about NICK, and will be happy to be typing the same next off-season about HAMELS, and BUMGARNER as well if we acquire his contract.
          At least MADBUM’s WHIP was near his career average last season 1.127, even if his WAR plummeted to 2.8 from a career 37.1 mark.
          And he starts the season at 30 not 36.
          Besides he’s from HICKORY, NORTH CAROLINA, and hickory’s are tough.
          I can see a MB get at least on a one-year contract.
          I suspect he’s looking for quite a bit more than that guarantee, however.

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    • 358 Gordon Lawrence December 10, 2019 at 9:44 am

      Moose is in the rearview, so it appears to me that the “Bringer” is the only option available to us short of trade for a KRIS BRYANT.
      Frankly, I think JD is going to land a humongous contract for an extended period.
      26-28m for four years probably with a fifth-year option, and a small buyout.
      That is not to my liking.
      I really don’t want a 38 year-old starting for us at 3B in four years.
      I’ve seen far too many aging vets start cashing those retirement checks as their offensive play plummets at the plate.
      I would prefer another one-year deal on another aging vet like Josh’s was last year.
      Thing is, you don’t catch lightning in a bottle twice.
      CAMARGO and RILEY are still spotty offensively, but I think they should platoon at 3B unless one bombs and the other flourishes at the plate.
      If they both bomb then move on mid-season to a trade for a top prospect in another organization.
      Their defense is adequate at least.
      If it costs us a pennant so be it.

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  209. 359 Vox O'Reasoñ December 10, 2019 at 9:40 am

    Jon Paul Morosi, MLB.com: *”The Nationals have made an initial inquiry to the Cubs about trading for third baseman Kris Bryant, sources say.”

    This would be a revolting development.

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  210. 361 berigan2electricboogaloo December 10, 2019 at 10:17 am

    IMHO, the Braves have no shot at defending their NL East crown without acquiring a real cleanup hitter to provide the same consistent threat that JD posed behind Freddie int he lineup

    V, oh no disagreement there! I would think nick castellanos (58! doubles last year) would be right up A.A.’s alley….no draft pick attached since he was traded mid season..wouldn’t have to trade anyone for him, naturally. yeah, we have all heard defense is not great…well, he’s 27, guys can get better. more power than Marte (a bit more) younger….but, what will he ask for/get?
    I like the idea of Marcell Ozuna ,(would hurt Cards too) tons of power, but his arm has gone south, and no doubt a draft pick would be lost right? that wouldn’t make sense then.
    as for trade candidates….hmmm, any ideas?

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  211. 362 Gordon Lawrence December 10, 2019 at 10:27 am

    No mention by AA on potential outfield prospects.
    A sure sign something’s afoot.
    If they got to ST with MARKAKIS/RILEY in a left field platoon, ENDER INCIARTE in cf, and RON ACUNA in right, that’s O.K. by me.
    The BRAVES are prohibited in adding a 14th pitcher, so the 26th man must be a position player..
    It may well be ADAM DUVALL.

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    • 363 Vox O'Reasoñ December 10, 2019 at 11:00 am

      No mention by AA on potential outfield prospects. A sure sign something’s afoot.

      If there’s anything we’ve learned about AA at this point it’s that we never know who or what or where. He is the true Ninja GM.

      And I agree, Gordon, that adding the middle of the order bat in the form of an OF seems more likely at this juncture. There are a few out there that would fit the bill, Joc Pederson among them.

      And I still believe there is a big trade to come for the Braves. Whether or not it’s consummated before tomorrow is unknown. But they’ll make a big trade. It’s coming.

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  212. 364 Vox O'Reasoñ December 10, 2019 at 11:09 am

    Would this lineup play?

    Ronald Acuña, Jr., RF (R)
    Ozzie Albies, 2B (S)
    Freddie Freeman, 1B (L)
    Joc Pederson, LF (L)
    Travis d’Arnaud, C (R)
    Riley/Camargo, 3B (platoon)
    Dansby Swanson, SS (R)
    Ender Inciarte, CF (L)

    It’s not too shabby. Gotta get something consistent out of Ender, though, or he’ll lose playing time to the rookie Cristian Pache. And it won’t hurt my feelings if it happens sooner than later.

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  213. 365 Vox O'Reasoñ December 10, 2019 at 11:44 am

    Gerrit Cole and Anthony Rendon are likely the linchpins that hold the rest of the silly season at bay. They will be the standard bearers. Likely every other pitcher is waiting to see what massive amount Cole extracts from the Yankees or Angels or Dodgers, and every hitter is waiting to see where Rendon lands so they can hold court with the remaining needy teams. In my estimation, the dam won’t really break until those 2 sign. The exception may be Josh Donaldson, who has enough suitors now that someone may simply overpay to get the deal done. Texas? Don’t be surprised.

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  214. 366 Vox O'Reasoñ December 10, 2019 at 12:19 pm

    I keep reading that the Yankees are “actively” trying to move LHP J.A. Happ to clear payroll space for their push to sign Gerrit Cole. Happ is due $34M over the next 2 seasons. I wonder if they would be motivated to attach OF Clint Frazier to a trade to get it done, and I wonder what the cost would be?

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    • 367 Vox O'Reasoñ December 10, 2019 at 12:26 pm

      Correction…

      The $34M deal was for 2019 & 2020, with a $17M vesting option for 2021 that triggers if he totals 165 innings or 27 starts.

      The 37-year-old Happ is not a certainty to reach those numbers, but if he does he might be worth it. And the reality is that he’d be the 5th starter at best. He could also be moved before the season even starts to a pitching needy team.

      Clint Frazier is the real goal here.

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  215. 368 Vox O'Reasoñ December 10, 2019 at 12:30 pm

    Wouldn’t it be nice to have 2 young RH power hitters in Austin Riley and Clint Frazier growing into their own around Freddie Freeman and Ronald Acuña, Jr., and under cheap team control for the foreseeable future?

    I’d be willing to pay the salary to Happ now if that was even remotely possible.

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  216. 369 Vox O'Reasoñ December 10, 2019 at 1:48 pm

    Brock Holt?

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  217. 371 Vox O'Reasoñ December 10, 2019 at 3:33 pm

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  219. 373 Vox O'Reasoñ December 10, 2019 at 5:06 pm

    Having a ninja for a GM is great for the Braves and for deal making, but it’s murder on us news starved fans. That said, when he pulls off some major acquisition that none of us saw coming, the celebrating will be loud and festive.

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  220. 374 berigan2electricboogaloo December 10, 2019 at 6:30 pm

    Would this lineup play?

    Ronald Acuña, Jr., RF (R)
    Ozzie Albies, 2B (S)
    Freddie Freeman, 1B (L)
    Joc Pederson, LF (L)

    I’m not adverse to Pederson, but Pederson had….49 AB’s against lefties, no homers, 1 RBI. so, every time a left handed starter….starts….Corbin, etc…then Adam Duvall will be behind FF. FF is likely to be walked even with Pederson behind him, with Duvall? All day long. Now, Pederson was super clutch late in games (still not a lot of RBI’s considering 36 HR’s) perhaps the braves would let him hit against lefties????

    I like this idea more… Wouldn’t it be nice to have 2 young RH power hitters in Austin Riley and Clint Frazier growing into their own around Freddie Freeman and Ronald Acuña, Jr., and under cheap team control for the foreseeable future?

    I’d be willing to pay the salary to Happ now if that was even remotely possible.

    Now I like that idea. Trade Newcomb…and…???? that’s the tough thing….will they want a young outfielder? Guess that would be a dealbreaker…we would be helping……the….Yankees…save money….think about that for a minute! so they can’t ask for too much, right????

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  221. 377 Vox O'Reasoñ December 10, 2019 at 7:21 pm

    The Angels just sent Zack Cozart and his whole salary to the Giants, clearing salary. The rumor is they’re about to make a hard charge at Josh Donaldson.

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  222. 378 Vox O'Reasoñ December 10, 2019 at 9:40 pm

    Not ideal, but I can think of worse things.

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  223. 380 Vox O'Reasoñ December 10, 2019 at 11:24 pm

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  224. 381 Vox O'Reasoñ December 10, 2019 at 11:33 pm

    My guess on the dominoes that begin tomorrow:

    Yanks sign Cole, Angels turn to Donaldson, Dodgers pivot to Rendon, Braves settle for Ozuna, Nats go after Bryant, Texas gets left out.

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  225. 383 berigan2electricboogaloo December 11, 2019 at 2:24 am

    Good guessing V! At least with Cole….man, was riding my stationary bike late and saw on the ol’ DVR…baseball tonight! It’s that magical time of year when my DVR finds that ESPN does ineed still exist, and records the shows….so, watched/fast forwarded thru Mondays and Tuesdays shows….After Strausberg’s 245 Mil, they were saying skies the limit with Cole , could get upwards of 9 years, 360 mil!!! Ha!!!! they were way off, 9 years, and a mere pittance, 324 MIL. Meh….I could take it or leave it… Jeff Passan , passed on some info I had never heard before. The Yankees bring in 800,000,000 Million…a year….wow….teams are lucky they cool off some years….feel sorry for the Angels (glad the Dodgers didn’t get him, we’d have a tough time getting to the W.S. with him there….he must have wanted to be a Yankee….I can’t believe one of the L.A. teams wouldn’t make a similar offer. Well, he should get them in the W.S. at least, over the next few years…when he’s in his late 30’s…..they’d better hope he’s got Justin Verlander type genes….
    now, let’s see how the rest of V’s picks, pan out
    (funny, I mentioned Ozuna, then decided the Braves wouldn’t want to lose a pick over him, and they may very well go after him!)

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  226. 385 berigan2electricboogaloo December 11, 2019 at 2:38 am

    I still like the idea of Nick Castellanos better….

    Ok, the other interesting thing I heard from the odd Jeff Passan…..he has heard that there is chatter (yester)day about the Red Sox trying to trade David Price to make room under the salary cap so they can keep Mookie Betts (won’t Red Sox fans love to hear about trading away a starter to save moola, while the Yankees get the best starter in baseball!)
    He also mentioned, that with so many other pitchers getting 30+ mil a year, and Wheeler getting 23+ mil a year, that if the Red Sox ate some of his contract over the next 3 years, that teams might want him for 22 Mil, AND they might sweeten the deal with Andrew Benintendi. Now, I just looked at his stats, and I thought he had had some incredible season, but didn’t really see that. Perhaps he cooled towards the end of 2017-18? He did go 20 HR’s 90 RBI’s, .271, 352, 20 steals as a rookie in 2017…he’s only 25….but…not really true protection behind FF, IMHO…
    Oh yeah, Price. I HATE him! but, I could learn to grit my teeth, I just don’t know if he’s worth the risk. Missed a lot of time over 2 of the last 3 seasons, but even in 107 innings last year, 126 strikeouts….just tossing the name out there….

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  227. 386 Vox O'Reasoñ December 11, 2019 at 8:44 am

    In his media scrum last night, AA had these words with regard to Austin Riley:

    “Seen it with a lot of young players first year in the league. The league adjusts to you, you have to adjust back. The makeup, the work ethic, all those things are still outstanding. And the talent is obviously big. He’s still young, so…. I have no doubt that Riley is going to be a great player, I just don’t know when.”

    I think that’s a fair statement. I also do not think he’ll trade Riley away unless the return is exceptional. Remember, Riley can make competent starts in LF as well. And in the unlikely event the Braves were to pull off a deal for Kris Bryant, he can also play LF. There are so many variables at this point…

    With the new asking price for Josh Donaldson now escalating to 4 years, I no longer see him as the best fit back here in Atlanta. I’m now in the camp for acquiring an OF’er with power. Ozuna is not my first choice, but he does check the boxes of RH with plenty of power. He would cost another draft pick, but would not cost any prominent prospects.

    To that end, I’d still like to see a guy like Joc Pederson come in for a year. Plenty of power from the LH side. It would severely stunt the playing time of Nick Markakis, but I think Nick understands at this point in his career he is more of a role player anyway. Considering LAD is trying to shed a little payroll, and that Joc is in his walk year, the prospect cost would not be very high. Now, if you could expand that deal to include utility man extraordinaire Enrique Hernandez too… now you’ve got something.

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  228. 387 Vox O'Reasoñ December 11, 2019 at 8:49 am

    Oh… and today is Crescendo Day. If anything is going to get done in San Diego, it’s gotta be today. Tomorrow promises only the Rule 5 draft and exit noises.

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  229. 388 Vox O'Reasoñ December 11, 2019 at 9:04 am

    MadBum is going to exceed earlier contract expectations by a mile…

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  230. 389 Vox O'Reasoñ December 11, 2019 at 9:28 am

    Since there seems to be alot of Braves <> Ozuna chatter at the moment, I’m going to post the summary that MLBTR gave him in their list of Top 50 FA’s:

    Ozuna’s market figures to be similar to that of [Nick] Castellanos. Ozuna does have one huge season on his resume: his 2017 campaign for the Marlins wherein he posted a career-best 143 wRC+ with 37 home runs. Miami traded him to the Cardinals afterward, and his offense in St. Louis was pedestrian. Ozuna’s 108 wRC+ over the past two seasons is worse than a more affordable free agent like Yasiel Puig. Plus, unlike Castellanos, he’s been saddled with a qualifying offer. Ozuna’s arm pretty much limits him to left field, where he has received above-average defensive marks. There is a silver lining here, and it’s in Ozuna’s Statcast numbers. Ozuna’s average exit velocity and hard-hit percentage were both in the 93rd percentile or better this year, suggesting that his current skill level will produce better results in the future. Plus, he turns 29 this month, so he’s young enough to present some upside.

    The expected contract cost for the 29-year-old Ozuna would be somewhere in the range of 3 years / $45M… not nearly the same ask as for the 34-year-old Josh Donaldson.

    Ozuna’s 2019 slash line: .241/.328/.472, 29 HR’s, 89 RBI, 2.2 WAR, batting almost exclusively as the Cards’ cleanup hitter. Against the Nats last year, he slashed .286/.333/.500.

    His overall numbers were dragged down by a terrible September, but he tore the Braves a new one in October. I remember it vividly. Maybe AA does too.

    But all this may be moot as it is appears the Reds are really focusing hard on him. I won’t be surprised to hear that a deal comes together with Cincy today. He makes more sense for them than for us as he’d be replacing the mercurial Yasiel Puig in the Reds OF. In that context, he’s a no-brainer.

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  231. 390 Vox O'Reasoñ December 11, 2019 at 9:33 am

    With Philly signing Didi Gregorius to a 1 year pillow contract yesterday, they are probably out of the running for Donaldson. But the offset of their lack of interest, the Nats are more intensely looking at JD as a fallback from Anthony Rendon. As much as I’d hate to have to face JD in the enemy camp, how much different would it be from facing them with Rendon?

    Even if it means losing him to our hated rival, I don’t think I want JD over 4 years. Maybe I’m wrong.

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  232. 392 Gil in Mechanicsville December 11, 2019 at 9:52 am

    Morning all, Yes, between Ber and Vee, everything I need to know about potential signings… No need to really go anywhere else and with Gordon keeping us up to date on the prospects.. We have the perfect blend of news we can use…

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  233. 393 Vox O'Reasoñ December 11, 2019 at 10:46 am

    Truth.

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  234. 394 Vox O'Reasoñ December 11, 2019 at 1:29 pm

    Not much chatter regarding the Braves thus far today… which leads me to believe something could be afoot. It almost seems like it’s when things go quiet that AA strikes out of nowhere.

    It also seems that if AA was truly interested in signing Ozuna it would have already happened.

    I’m guessing a trade instead of a signing. Maybe 1 trade that checks off more than 1 box. Remember, we need a cleanup bat and a backup SS, and want a versatile bench piece and another pitcher.

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  235. 395 berigan2electricboogaloo December 11, 2019 at 3:02 pm

    ok, via mlbtr, a name few have talked about… Kole Calhoun…check out his numbers last year, compared to Joc Peterson…. pretty darned close…
    https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/calhoko01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-
    https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/pederjo01.shtml

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    • 396 Vox O'Reasoñ December 11, 2019 at 3:35 pm

      The thing that stands out with me on Calhoun is that he struck out 162 times in 2019 as opposed to 111 for Joc. Neither is great, but 162..? Then again, JD had 155 himself. Calhoun is a FA with no QO attached.

      Personally, I’d like to aim a little higher. Calhoun is a guy that TOR and MIA are looking at. I’d like to continue swimming in deeper waters until we can’t anymore.

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  236. 397 Vox O'Reasoñ December 11, 2019 at 3:29 pm

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  237. 398 Vox O'Reasoñ December 11, 2019 at 4:27 pm

    Wow!

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  238. 400 Vox O'Reasoñ December 11, 2019 at 11:18 pm

    Next domino is fallen.

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  239. 401 Vox O'Reasoñ December 11, 2019 at 11:20 pm

    Can JD to TEX be too far behind?

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  240. 402 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 8:12 am

    Rosenthal via MLBTR:

    “All things being equal, Donaldson’s preference is to return to the Braves.”

    Finalists are Dodgers, Rangers, Nats, Twins & Braves. Hard to imagine all things will be equal.

    “They currently have only limited interest” in Marcell Ozuna.

    The “they” being the Braves. I feel the same way. He’d be a decent compliment to another addition, but he’s not the guy I want to pin my season on. I’d prefer Joc Pederson or Starlin Marte in a trade. I even prefer Kole Calhoun. I know there is a team among the other 29 that has a good young power hitting OF to spare for young pitching. Clint Frazier anyone? Wouldn’t NYY like to add Shane Greene to their bullpen to support their newly minted rotation?

    Atlanta is among the clubs who have concerns about Bryant’s declining glovework (as per UZR/150 and Defensive Runs Saved) over the last few seasons. This doesn’t necessarily rule out a potential trade between the Braves and Cubs since Bryant could be used as a corner outfielder, though it doesn’t seem like Bryant is at the top of the Braves’ list at this point.

    All this points to what we have discussed here over the last day or so. AA has some irons in the fire that we are not aware of . That’s typically how he operates. And if we’ve heard an early rumor, it’s probably not accurate.

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  241. 403 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 8:25 am

    I said it earlier, and I’ll say it again…

    If the Yankees are desiring to move JA Happ to clear some payroll, he and Clint Frazier can come on to Atlanta. Happ would be a very nice 5th starter and potential mid-season trade asset on this young team. With just 1 year guaranteed on his deal, he fits perfectly in our timeline. And if he does pitch the requisite innings or make the requisite starts to trigger his extension, then it means he’s doing his job and we have nothing to complain about. He can either continue in Atlanta or be moved to a pitching starved team. You can never have too many starting pitchers. Never.

    What would the cost be from the Braves? Well, who knows what the Yanks would actually ask for, but something like Shane Greene and prospect Greyson Jenista would be a “value” equivalent. Actually, it would be weighted a little heavy toward the Yanks. Jenista is a mid-level OF prospect that is pretty much blocked behind Acuña, Pache, Waters, and any young OF acquisition such as Frazier. Jenista is a good example of “prospect capital”.

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  242. 404 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 8:30 am

    Imagine this OF compliment left to right…

    2020: Frazier, Inciarte, Acuña
    2021, Frazier, Pache, Acuña
    2022: Waters, Pache, Acuña, with Frazier as DH

    Planning ahead.

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  243. 405 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 8:36 am

    This is what you call rambling from a guy who has refreshed his Twitter almost constantly for the last 4 days, and who has nothing else of substance to comment on. What am I going to do today when all the execs are traveling? The Braves are sitting at 38 on the 40-man roster, and will do little more than listen during the Rule 5 draft today, so that will be a snore-fest.

    I did hear AA comment yesterday that the team has essentially set up a mobile office in San Diego and would not necessarily be rushing out the door this morning since they could continue to do there what they do here. Maybe they will still be finalizing some things they’ve started. Or maybe I’m just being hopeful knowing the Winter Meetings are coming to a close and we haven’t received our big Christmas gift yet.

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  244. 409 Gil in Mechanicsville December 12, 2019 at 9:14 am

    I still believe the Braves will go hard in on Donaldson but having a plan B is never a bad idea. After all, the Braves are not the only club to be looking for a 3rd baseman. The Nats, Dodgers and Rangers are all looking too. Two opposing opinions on trading for Chris Bryant, one saying he is a good fit, another saying he isn’t. I am with the latter group.

    I think it is going to be fun to watch Camargo and Riley compete for playing time at third this spring. A lot has been said about Johan’s fall off last year but he came back gang busters after a short stint in Triple A. I still think Riley is the Braves 3rd baseman of the future. He has the one thing you cannot teach, power…. It is simply a matter of him recognizing breaking pitches early in the count. Perhaps adopting the same approach as Juan Soto would benefit him. After two strikes, Soto changes his stance and cuts down his swing.

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  245. 410 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 10:35 am

    Two opposing opinions on trading for Chris Bryant, one saying he is a good fit, another saying he isn’t.

    I do believe Kris Bryant would be a nice fit here, either at 3B or in LF. But I think the Cubs are asking the moon and the stars, and I’d prefer to keep my stars. (See what I did there?)

    I still believe the Braves will go hard in on Donaldson

    I do too, but I can’t see AA giving a 4th year guaranteed. And I’m not so sure I’d want to do that anyway. Maybe only knowing that the DH is coming to the NL in the 3rd year… but we don’t have that assurance. It’s almost a certainty JD will get that 4th year from someone, probably the Dodgers. It looks like TEX may be looking at other options now even though they are the one team that could absolutely use JD as a DH. Well, them and MIN, who are reportedly also in on the bidding. I think AA will try to get him on shorter years with higher AAV. Doubt JD will do that at age 34. Why would he when he doesn’t have to?

    I think it is going to be fun to watch Camargo and Riley compete for playing time at third this spring.

    Agree. I think we are better set up to fill our 3B needs from within if necessary, but only if we add a proven power source in the OF. And it would appear that may be the easiest route at the moment.

    I still think Riley is the Braves 3rd baseman of the future.

    I agree, and so does AA who said in a recent media scrum that he believes Riley will be a star in this league, the only question being when. And based on Riley’s last Sept. and Oct., it is apparent he still needs some fine tuning. Can you do that in an offseason without seeing live pitching? Doubtful. But in the words of the great Joaquin Andujar, “There is one word in America that says it all, and that one word is, ‘You never know.'”

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  246. 411 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 10:39 am

    So many puns could be made here. Must… resist…

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  247. 421 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 10:56 am

    Rosenthal is saying the Yankees have checked in on Brewers’ reliever Josh Hader, seeking to add a 3rd “elite” arm to the “dynamic” duo of Aroldis Chapman and Zach Britton.

    How about 2019 All-Star Shane Greene?

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    • 422 berigan2electricboogaloo December 12, 2019 at 11:17 am

      man V, why you want to rid us of Shane??? I think esp if there isn’t another DIFFERENCE MAKER starter coming here.. we need a really stout bullpen to survive (and if a pitcher or two go down…) .I really can’t get excited over another soft tossing leftie. Last year, a 4.91 ERA, 161 innings in 31 starts, in the DH league where you can leave a guy out there longer. He is like Julio, a 5 inning guy. Yay…
      Ok, take him to get Clint Frasier? sure…but…they were asking a ton for him, before…are they going to give him up for a reliever, a good one, but not a hard thrower? They might eat some money to get more for Happ…I don’t know…much rather have Newcomb on the hill…he has the potential to go 180 , 200 innings. Is Happ going to do that??/
      Now I did just think that AA could trade for Happ and Frasier, and trading Shane and say, Drew Waters , and then trade Happ to say the Twins, Brewers, etc? Just spitballin’

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  248. 423 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 11:00 am

    Even though the Braves are highly unlikely to take a player in today’s Rule 5 draft, they could lose one. Lefty prospect Thomas Burrows might appeal to a rebuilding team looking for cheap bullpen filler.

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  249. 424 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 11:03 am

    Merry Christmas in the Boras household.

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  250. 425 berigan2electricboogaloo December 12, 2019 at 11:23 am

    ok, V, Gil, Gordon, CL….no one has mentioned, another 3rd baseman that may be available…Nolan Arenado!!! what would you be willing to give up to get THE BEST 3rd baseman in baseball????

    https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/12/rockies-willing-to-listen-on-nolan-arenado.html

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    • 426 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 11:41 am

      It’s like this…

      Arenado is owed $234M over the next 7 years and would cost you every plum prospect you have in the pipeline to acquire. Might as well have given Anthony Rendon the $245M over 7 and keep the prospects. Braves aren’t / weren’t going to do either. Not to mention that Arenado has a full no-trade clause which causes 2 problems: 1) he could refuse to be traded here, and 2) the Braves don’t give such clauses and would be loathe to assume one especially in such an onerous deal.

      Aside from that, I like it. 😀

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    • 427 Gordon Lawrence December 12, 2019 at 11:51 am

      I do not see JD in ATLANTA in 2020.
      His was a one year make-good deal, and he did.
      Can’t see us buying high on a 34 year old, then regretting it three years from now.
      I think he’s gone.
      MADISON BUMGARNER makes more sense to me than the “Bringer” in 2020.
      I still think they intended to patch the 3B hole with Moose, and let the starting kids scrap it out for playing time.
      That’s why they tightened up the pen.
      When he flew the coop all bets were off, thus COLE HAMELS in desperation.
      BUMGARNER would make sense here, to strengthen the starting rotation, and get a one year bat for the outfield.
      PUIG, or someone other outfielder on a make-good contract might allow for enough bats to see how a RILEY/CAMARGO platoon would work.
      Back-up is a trade at the deadline if that’s not working.

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      • 428 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 12:13 pm

        PUIG

        Oh Lord please no. His productivity has been in a steady freefall since 2015. Classic example of “million dollar talent; 10 cent head”. And can you imagine the negative influence this dude would have on our young Latin stars? Oh my…

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        • 429 Gordon Lawrence December 13, 2019 at 10:41 am

          Fine then another one OZUNA anyone?
          His hangup is the length of a contract [reportedly 5 years] to his liking more than $$$$.
          That makes him very iffy for the BRAVES outfield of the future.

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  251. 430 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 12:07 pm

    I am trying to go about my thought processes in the most reasonable and thorough way. To that end, I realize that AA is trying to fill all his current needs without making bad investments and/or mortgaging the future.

    Naturally that’s his goal. But it’s not always feasible. Heck, I’d like a new truck, and I’d like to buy one without making the payments too large or going too long. But it’s not going to happen on a decent truck. Maybe on one with alot of miles and a few dents and dings.

    The reality is that he’s going to have to pay to get what he really wants, or not pay and settle for something less. He can’t win in either scenario. So if he has to “lose” in any area, it almost certainly will be in an overpay to fill the needs as he sees them.

    And if that doesn’t happen, we’ll know for certain that it’s because the suits at Liberty Media are truly concerned more with the ledger sheet than the standings. But I just don’t get that sense. Why else would they open up the coffers as much as they already have just to cut AA off before he finishes the job? And why would CEO Greg Maffei go public in his support of “spending more” if he wasn’t going to back it up?

    Neither of those scenarios make sense, so you have to feel pretty good that AA has the authority to make the deals he wants. I believe AA is still going to make a big deal, he’s just trying to find the one (or more) that makes the most sense in terms of both cost and fit.

    Will that be for 4 years of Josh Donaldson? Maybe it will. Clearly 4 years is an overpay for a 34-year-old position player. But all indications are that 4 years is going to be the mark. Some team is going to to give it, and if that team is the Nats or the Phils it only complicates the equation.

    Signing JD to a 4 year deal, while not optimal, still accomplishes a few goals. It brings back the cleanup hitter that you know for certain frees up Freddie to have an MVP type performance. It stabilizes the entire lineup by solidifying the middle of the order with RH power. It keeps your own pitchers from facing him in 19 games in your own division. It forces your competition to settle for a lesser option. And the dude still played a GG worthy defense with no particular signs of fading. He doesn’t necessarily block Austin Riley, who has shown that if he’s ready to perform at the plate that he can capably man LF. And his signing would only cost $$, which is replaceable. A trade for Kris Bryant or whomever will cost you prospects, some of which are not so easily replaced.

    Speaking of trades, I still think some of those prospects are here to be traded. They are “prospect capital” whether we like it or not. But just like cash you never want to overpay. And all signs say that Bryant will cost a heavy overpay. As for me, if I’m going to overpay I’d prefer to do that monetarily on JD… and then use the prospects more responsibly to obtain another pitcher.

    But all of that is just me. And I’m just a dude refreshing his twitter way too often and typing way too much blather.

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  252. 431 berigan2electricboogaloo December 12, 2019 at 12:24 pm

    V, good points on Nolan…I thought he had already signed a 7 year deal, but I think it was an extension, or new deal…whatever…I still think as great as Rendon is, Nolan, is a whole ‘nother level (and he hit 21 HR’s at Coors, 20 on the road last year) and .315 against lefties, .315 against righties.
    I do wonder, if Colorado wants to save that moola, wouldn’t they have to ask for less back? I mean, the Marlins had to basically give Stanton away to the Yankees…Nolan is of course better all around than Stanton, He’s the best 3rd baseman in baseball, and it quite intense!
    perhaps Riley and someone like Newcomb? Or, eat 10 mil a year, and get Bryce and????
    heh, fun to be GM sometimes…

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  253. 432 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 12:55 pm

    If I personally could flesh out the rest of our lineup in my own ideal world, I would make the following moves:

    First, I’d lock my cleanup hitter with Josh Donaldson and allow Riley the time to finish his development with no pressure at the AAA level. I know it’s probably going to cost me 4 years / $100M, but I’ve got to be willing to spend or get left behind by my competitors. My 40-man roster is almost full at 39.

    Next, I swing a deal with NYY for JA Happ and Clint Frazier. I’m overpaying a little by giving them Shane Greene, Adam Duvall and minor league pitcher Phil Pfeifer to make it happen. In the process, I gain 1 open spot on the 40-man roster, which now sits back at 38.

    Then I sign utilityman Brock Holt and have my 2020 version of Charlie Culberson, but with a better bat and fewer strikeouts. 40-man roster pushes back to 39.

    I fill it out by re-signing SS Adeiny Hechavarría to a 1 year deal and my bench is complete, as is my 40-man roster. (I know Hechy has some reported interest as a starter, but this is my ideal situation, so I get to bring him back to my bench.)

    My rotation: Soroka, Hamels, Fried, Folty, Happ

    My bullpen: Melancon, Smith (L), Martin, O’Day, Jackson, Newcomb (L), Jacob Webb, Bryse Wilson

    My lineup: Acuña, Albies, Freeman, Donaldson, Frazier, d’Arnaud, Swanson, Inciarte

    My bench: Flowers, Camargo, Markakis, Holt, Hechy

    At AAA, I still have Kyle Wright and Patrick Weigel as rotation depth, along with the still developing Ian Anderson. I’ve taken Wilson out of the starting picture by putting him in my bullpen where I think he’s ultimately going to shine anyway. I need a long reliever as well as the assurance that I have plenty of guys that can get 3 batters out regardless of which side of the plate they swing from, which is why I prefer to keep Newk out there too.

    Speaking of AAA, when Austin Riley is ready to come up and contribute on a consistent basis, I have a good problem. But we all know that no lineup is going to go 162 games without injury somewhere, so I retain flexibility to make productive roster moves when and where necessary.

    All that will never happen in the way I’ve laid it out, but in this less-than-qualified mind it works.

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  254. 433 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 12:59 pm

    Well… it’s a move. Not a player move, but a move.

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  255. 435 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 1:07 pm

    Round 1 of the Rule 5 draft is complete and Braves pitcher Thomas Burrows has survived. Only 9 teams took players in that initial round, with the Orioles picking there and also taking the first selection in Round 2.

    Stay tuned.

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  256. 436 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 1:13 pm

    Someone asked the question, would it be a disaster for AA if the Nats sign Donaldson and the Phils trade for Kris Bryant?

    My answer is this: The Phils are a .500 team trying to catch up to the Braves and the Nats. The champion Nats lost an All-Star 3B in Rendon and would only be keeping pace with themselves by replacing him with JD. The only disaster would be if the Braves cannot find an effective middle-of-the-order bat, which is not predicated on anything the Nats or Phils do or have done. The Braves simply need to take care of the Braves and not worry about reacting to anything other teams do.

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  257. 437 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 1:19 pm

    Not even sure why I posted this…

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  258. 438 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 2:11 pm

    Rule 5 draft complete. Thomas Burrows survives.

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  259. 439 berigan2electricboogaloo December 12, 2019 at 2:37 pm

    had one thought about JD and 4 years…by season 3 or 4, there might be a DH position in the NL….

    V, I posted this as a reply above, but it might have been missed (really don’t like the way that works, as folks will miss them, unless they scroll upwards…and sorry if the tone sounds harsh V! Not the way I meant it to sound, hard to sound in “print” in the way one would sound in person!

    ” V, why you want to rid us of Shane??? I think esp if there isn’t another DIFFERENCE MAKER starter coming here.. we need a really stout bullpen to survive (and if a pitcher or two go down…) .I really can’t get excited over another soft tossing leftie. Last year, a 4.91 ERA, 161 innings in 31 starts, in the DH league where you can leave a guy out there longer. He is like Julio, a 5 inning guy. Yay…
    Ok, take him to get Clint Frasier? sure…but…they were asking a ton for him, before…are they going to give him up for a reliever, a good one, but not a hard thrower? They might eat some money to get more for Happ…I don’t know…much rather have Newcomb on the hill…he has the potential to go 180 , 200 innings. Is Happ going to do that??/
    Now I did just think that AA could trade for Happ and Frasier, and trading Shane and say, Drew Waters , and then trade Happ to say the Twins, Brewers, etc? Just spitballin’ “

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    • 440 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 4:23 pm

      Ok, take him to get Clint Frasier? sure

      That’s the whole point of taking Happ. I don’t want him alone. I want Frazier. If it means taking on the Happ salary (Yanks shopping Happ for salary relief), then I’m good with it. Never wanted Happ alone.

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  260. 441 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 4:20 pm

    High upside, lower commitment.

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  261. 442 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 4:27 pm

    Not news, just reinforcement of what we already know. Supply and demand determine the cost. He’s the last big fish on the market, so he’s gonna cost.

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    • 443 berigan2electricboogaloo December 12, 2019 at 6:34 pm

      the only news is the Rangers are cheap…were way away from Rendon, and now they have said they won’t pay JD what others are willing to pay…just funny as they said 3rd base was a top priority….

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  262. 444 Gil in Mechanicsville December 13, 2019 at 8:27 am

    Good morning Stuffians… Do we have a new third baseman yet??? No? Oh well, Still a ways to go to get Arenado…. 🙂 Likely would take the Braves entire top group of ten prospects plus Rendon money… Sounds exactly like the type of deal the Nits would go for.

    Now for reality. Alex will surprise us… I hope!!!

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  263. 445 Vox O'Reasoñ December 13, 2019 at 8:44 am

    Not much to report on this morning, unless you consider 2 very interesting names that are now circulating in trade circles…

    Trader Jerry Dipoto out in the Great Northwest is said to be taking calls on OF Mitch Haniger and 3B Kyle Seager. I find those 2 names to be intriguing.

    Seager is under contract for 2 more years with a team option for 2022 that becomes a player option is he’s traded. He is set to make salaries of $19.5M, $18.5M and $15M in those yeas respectively. He’s a guy that broke through in 2011, had about 6 All-Star caliber years, got broke off, and then got hurt and struggled through a couple of years. Last year’s slash was not pretty, but he’s a guy that’s capable of 30+ HR’s and plays a strong defensive 3B. Certainly the M’s would kick in some cash to help offset the salary for the right trade package.

    And if you could expand it to include Haniger, he’s a guy that AA (and many others too) tried to get last season only to be rebuffed. He was an All-Star in 2018 and finished 11th in MVP voting. He got hurt last season and struggled somewhat in just 63 games, but is also a guy that has 20+ HR power and plays a good defensive OF. He is an arb guy that is under team control until 2023.

    Individually, neither fills the void left by JD. But together it could be interesting. And we all know that Dipoto likes to swing deals in big bunches.

    I think Seager is at least a little interesting on his own, but not choice #1. At worst, he represents another name on the 3B market that might at least ease the tension a bit.

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  264. 446 Vox O'Reasoñ December 13, 2019 at 9:06 am

    I just participated in a pol at MLBTR that asks regarding Josh Donaldson, team, length and value of his next deal. So far, the prevailing poll numbers suggest he returns to the Braves on a 3 year deal between $80M-$90M.

    I really thought the people who hang out there and participate in polls paid more attention.

    First, I do not see ATL as the front-runner. In the race? Yes. But certainly not ours to lose.

    Second, numerous writers have reported that multiple teams are willing to go 4 years. Why would he settle for 3 when he can get 4?

    And last, did any of those pollsters pay attention to the deals recently signed… especially Rendon’s? The marker for RH power, and for 3B, is robust. The former MVP will almost certainly land a 4 year deal north of $90M, and very plausibly at or above $100M. I’m guessing 4 yrs / $100M. To the Braves? Maybe. But not certainly.

    Let’s look at the market…

    The Dodgers seem the most likely to me, except that 3B is not a pressing need, and they are also trying to bring in another top starting pitcher. If they are prioritizing pitching, it may leave the door open for another team to take JD first. I see them at 60/40.

    The Rangers say they are out. Posturing? Maybe. I’ll call them still 50/50.

    I know nothing about the Twins, but they appear to be aggressive in the market. I’ll also give them 50/50.

    I think the Phils are out after inking Did Gregorious.

    The Nats still scare me, but I think they might be more interested in trying to pry Kris Bryant away from the Cubs. That enough of a distraction for me to give them a 60/40.

    The Braves? To me, 50/50 at best. I just don’t think AA will go the 4 years necessary, but he might surprise me. Or… he might get creative and offer 3 years at a higher AAV and a decent buyout figure on a 4th year team option. That’s the only way I see JD taking a 3 year deal.

    Speaking of creative, I wonder..? I wonder if JD would be open to a Boras-like deal that gives him an opt-out after the 2nd year? 3 years at a high AAV, team option on the 4th, player opt-out after 2.

    Just trying to think outside the box…

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    • 447 Gordon Lawrence December 13, 2019 at 11:41 am

      My suggestion yesterday 3 for 30m with a club fourth option and a 10m buyout.
      Only way I see the “Bringer” in ATLANTA in 2020.
      AA won’t go a guaranteed four, I feel pretty sure of it.
      Of course, I’m not making the deal.
      One alternative is power in the line-up from an outfield position.
      MOOKIE BETTS would be nice.
      Too much money and too many prospects to be plausible for only one year of control, however.
      MARCELL OZUNA at 29 would be a nice two-year deal in the making.
      However, I suspect he wants a retirement check also.
      Something along the lines of a five-year deal which he won’t get from anyone unless the $$$$ are significantly less than he expects.
      YASAIL PUIG would probably take a one-year prove-it deal from just about anyone.
      Beggers can’t be choosers.
      In the pitching department HUAN JIN-RYU is still in play, and might be a solid get in tandem with HAMELS.
      A three year contract for a 32 year-old, at 19m-20m per for three might not be unreasonable.
      That’s someone I could see in the # 2 slot in the starting rotation with potential ability to take the #1 in the event of a SOROKA injury..
      Some of you see HAMELS in a mainstay role in the rotation in 2020.
      I don’t think he’s that strong anymore.
      I think him more of a # 4 at this point in his career.
      BETTS aside, any of these possibilities can all be accomplished in FA without any trade of our prospects.
      I do think however like ALLARD last season, a couple pieces should be moved in 2020 to account for adjustments which AA proved last season to be quite adroit at making.

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  265. 449 Vox O'Reasoñ December 13, 2019 at 10:49 am

    Bob Nightengale, USA TODAY: [The Dodgers] want Cleveland Indians shortstop Francisco Lindor, and they want him badly. They are expected to submit a powerful package of prospects to Cleveland, including Dustin May and Gavin Lux for Lindor.

    Holy schnikey. Perhaps this is why they haven’t turned up the heat on Josh Donaldson. If they take their money out of the picture, it might make JD’s market a little easier for the remaining teams.

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  266. 450 Vox O'Reasoñ December 13, 2019 at 10:52 am

    I still believe AA will add 4 players: a power bat, a pitcher, a backup SS, another utilityman

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    • 451 Vox O'Reasoñ December 13, 2019 at 10:55 am

      … and maybe only the power bat before the calendar turns. Some of the others may come late in the offseason as other teams cast off members while making their own roster tweaks. Remember, last year we added Josh Tomlin and Matt Joyce in Spring.

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  267. 452 Gordon Lawrence December 13, 2019 at 11:03 am

    Saw that lefty THOMAS BURROWS survived the first round of Rule 5 as a BRAVE.
    A lefty in Rule 5 is usually golden, yet he wasn’t picked up.
    BURROWS failure in 2019 at GWINNETT is a mystery to me.
    I was certain in 2018 that he would establish himself as a solid lefty in the ATLANTA ‘pen by the end of 2019, and that along with CORBIN CLOUSE would form a great lefty-righty duo of young arms for the future.
    However, both swooned in 2019 while another fav, JACOB WEBB has accomplished what those two didn’t.
    Really, BURROWS had a rocky 2019 in GWINNETT. and was remanded to AA where he regained his equilibrium somewhat.
    Haven’t heard that injury is involved in TB’s case.
    I continue to think his abilities lie above the AA level.
    Maybe his malaise is in his head.

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  268. 454 Vox O'Reasoñ December 13, 2019 at 12:57 pm

    I have been listening this morning to a very interesting and quite detailed debate on the radio regarding the worthiness of going 4 years to return Josh Donaldson to the Braves. I truly wish I had a transcript of the points being made back and forth. In the end, the guy arguing for the 4th year convinced the other guy that it was worth the risk.

    He convinced me too.

    In summary, Donaldson brought more to this lineup and to the team and clubhouse than just 36 HR’s and protection for Freddie Freeman. He brought an attitude and demonstrative leadership that told other teams that the Braves were not to be messed with. It rubbed off on the other players and the Braves were able to fight through alot of adversity because of it. How many games did the Braves fight back to win late last season? How many times did the subs capably carry the water when the starter was hurt? Much of that fight was a result of the JD effect. I think that it’s a real thing, and I think the Braves cannot afford to let it get away, and especially not to the Nats. The veteran leaders that remain – Freddie, Nick, Flow – are all great, but none have the swagger and visible presence that JD has.

    We need him back. I’m convinced.

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    • 455 Vox O'Reasoñ December 13, 2019 at 1:00 pm

      Of course, I’m also convinced the NL will adopt the DH as part of the next CBA for 2022, so those last 2 years don’t bother me as much anyway.

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  269. 456 Vox O'Reasoñ December 13, 2019 at 2:55 pm

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  270. 457 Vox O'Reasoñ December 13, 2019 at 6:13 pm

    Thought this might happen.

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  271. 458 Vox O'Reasoñ December 13, 2019 at 6:13 pm

    Thought this might happen.

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  272. 460 Vox O'Reasoñ December 13, 2019 at 6:15 pm

    Gotta love this guy…

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  273. 463 berigan2electricboogaloo December 14, 2019 at 1:56 am

    well…since there isn’t really any “real” baseball news today….I watched The Cobra in Twilight, a 90 minute documentary on Dave Parker on the MLB channel. well worth watching if/when they re-run it….
    He’s another Dale Murphy, Ted Simmons, Dwight Evans, Steve Garvey(hated his faux squeaky clean persona, but man, a MONEY player) that for some reason is all but forgotten today, even guys that played in major markets. ….sadly, he’s been battling Parkinsons for 6 years now, and has really been slowed down.
    But, before Murphy came into his own, he was basically the best player in baseball, at leas the NL. And when it looked like knee troubles and age had ruined his career, he got back on track in Cincy, and put up quite a few more good years at the plate. When you remember how great a RF’er he was in the earlier part of his career, he too should be in the HOF.
    Yeah, he was not perfect, but as he got older/wiser it’s interesting to hear how he was a father figure to Barry Larkin, Eric Davis and Gary Sheffield. In fact, Barry said that Parker and Davis had a conversation around the batting cage one night after a game, and Parker said if Barry didn’t put more effort forth with his glove, and at the plate, there was going to be real trouble…cudos to Larkin to admit he was basically on cruise control and needed that speech.
    It’s really shocking to see how OLD the whole 1979 Pirate team looks now! old faces like they are 80 something, which they are not. I mean, several of the guys need canes, and walkers/wheelchairs. Just sad to see elite athletes looking like this, esp baseball, not football players.

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  274. 464 berigan2electricboogaloo December 14, 2019 at 2:18 am

    hey, it’s been days since I wrote about Ted Simmons, need to rectify that issue! :p
    ok, please bare with me one more time…I really kick myself that I didn’t create a wordpress blog for Simmons , extolling his virtues (I even had a “great” name for it, Ted Simmons is a Hall of Famer, Dammit! 🙄 oh well, it all worked out in the end…
    watching that Dave Parker docu got me wondering what had been written about Simmons since I heard about him going into the hall (even with this honor, most headlines were, Marvin Miller, Ted Simmons, voted into the HOF) most were quite dry.
    Found this very nice article written by Rick Hummel, someone that should know a thing or two about Simmons, as he has written about the Cards since the early 70s …I really should him more often, it’s comforting in this world of constant change, that a few things, like like Rick Hummel still writing about baseball for the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, and Mike Shannon still doing home games for the Cards, are just like they were when I was a kid.

    even if you don’t watch to read the article, check out some of the great photos they have after the article, of Simmons year by year, and one of Simmons sitting next to Bruce Sutter at the Funeral of Cardinal great Red Schoendienst, looking like a 90 year old crazy mountain man 😉
    https://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/cardinal-beat/after-years-cardinals-catcher-simmons-makes-the-leap-to-hall/article_0ebd8def-9d0b-515f-a2c9-e32bee0b0f5e.html#13

    hey look, some stats of his I missed before! 😛

    From 1971-80 with the Cardinals, Simmons averaged .301 with a .367 on-base percentage. He finished in the top 10 a combined 15 times in either batting average, on-base percentage and slugging percentage, compared to Hall of Fame catchers Carlton Fisk (nine times), Johnny Bench (six) and Gary Carter (four).

    From 1972-78, a span of seven seasons, Simmons played 150 or more games, almost of them as a catcher. For his career he drew 855 walks and struck out only 694 times, never more than 57 in a season.

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  275. 466 Gil in Mechanicsville December 14, 2019 at 11:08 am

    Great opine Ber, you will be forever tied to Ted Simmons in my mind as I have heard you campaign for his inclusion into the BBHOH ever since I have know you via the internet.

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  276. 467 Gil in Mechanicsville December 15, 2019 at 8:23 pm

    Okay folks, Madbum is off the board going to Arizona for 5 years. not sure of the amount. Kluber going to Texas in a trade.

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  277. 469 Vox O'Reasoñ December 15, 2019 at 10:37 pm

    Gotta think the Braves weren’t confident in Kluber’s health not to have offered the Tribe a better return than they received from TEX.

    And MadBum got way too many years on that deal from ARI. But it might just make Robbie Ray available now.

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  278. 470 berigan2electricboogaloo December 16, 2019 at 9:44 am

    man, had NO idea all these trades/signings happened yesterday! clearly, a lot of folks fear MadBum’s arm longterm….Indians must have feared what the 2020 Kluber was going to provide…cuz if he proved himself healthy, the skies the limit to what they could have gotten for him, or…hold onto him if they were in 1st place…

    ok, check this out…
    Pitcher A
    2019, 12-8, 4.34 ERA 174 innings, 81 walks 235 strikeouts.

    Pitcher B
    2018 12-9 3.91 ERA 164 innings 81 walks 160 strikeouts.

    Pitcher A is 28 year old Robby Ray (rhythms!) Pitcher B is still 26 year old, Sean Newcomb . granted, AZ has pretty thin air, but actually his ERA was 4.11 at home, 4.50 on the road. 4.91 ERA after the all star break…man…and I was wondering why AZ was wanting to trade away the hard throwing lefty
    I am all for giving Newcomb another chance in the rotation…

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  279. 471 berigan2electricboogaloo December 16, 2019 at 9:45 am

    rhymes I meant…geez

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  280. 472 Vox O'Reasoñ December 16, 2019 at 10:34 am

    In case you missed it over the weekend, and according to a couple of beat writers, the details around the non-tendering and re-signing of Charlie Culberson went something like this:

    The Braves were looking at appx. $1.8M in arb for Charlie for 2019, who despite coming through in seemingly every possible clutch moment, still put up some pretty underwhelming numbers for 2019… especially in the 2nd half. But suffice to say the indicting stat is his sub-.300 OBP (.294, .230 in the 2nd half). He also had a pretty staggering 30% K rate (44 K’s in 144 plate appearances).

    Anyway, the Braves approached Charlie and let him know they planned to non-tender him, but wanted to sign him back on a minor league deal with an invite to Spring Training and a genuine opportunity to make the team, but were willing to let him shop himself around for a major league deal first. Reportedly he did get 2-3 ML offers, but chose to return to the Braves anyway.

    The terms of his deal are for 1 year at $1M, but the deal will allow Charlie to reach the previously projected $1.8M should he make the team and reach certain incentives. Charlie still has the same opportunities as before, and the Braves gained a little bit of 40-man roster flexibility.

    I have to say, I think that’s more than fair from the organization that obviously values Charlie, but still must balance responsibility in constructing its roster.

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  281. 473 Vox O'Reasoñ December 16, 2019 at 1:08 pm

    Let’s just sign Josh and trade for Clint Frazier already. What’s holding this up? We need to get these deals done so we can round out the roster with Adeiny Hechavarria.

    Come on AA. Get off your keister and get these things done.

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    • 474 Vox O'Reasoñ December 16, 2019 at 1:21 pm

      Would you trade Touki for Frazier straight up? I would. I think it’s a good equity trade of a promising 23-year-old pitcher that hasn’t reached his potential in limited opportunities for a promising 25-year-old OF that hasn’t reached his potential in limited opportunities. And it satisfies a need on both sides of the equation.

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  282. 476 Vox O'Reasoñ December 16, 2019 at 1:17 pm

    My roster of the day…

    Rotation: Soroka, Hamels, Fried, Folty, Newk/Wright

    Bullpen: Melancon, Smith (L), Greene, Martin, O’Day, Jackson, Dayton/Newk (L), Wilson

    Lineup: Acuña, Albies, Freeman, Donaldson, Frazier, d’Arnaud, Swanson, Inciarte

    Bench: Flowers, Camargo, Markakis, Hechy, Charlie/Duvall

    If Wright wins the 5th starter job, Newk takes Dayton’s bullpen spot. The last bench spot is a competition between Charlie and Duvall.

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  283. 477 berigan2electricboogaloo December 16, 2019 at 3:36 pm

    V I’d do that trade in a second. Think Yankees were asking for moon before. Almost seem to want him to rot at AAA in case they need him

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    • 478 Gil in Mechanicsville December 16, 2019 at 8:40 pm

      Ber, and that surprizes you how? 🙂

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    • 479 Vox O'Reasoñ December 17, 2019 at 8:04 am

      Yes… almost like we have been with Touki. But now? That’s why I think it’s a good match. Both are still young men with great potential unrealized. And both are stuck in crowds from through they can’t seem to emerge. Perfect “change of scenery” candidates who just need a chance to break out.

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  284. 480 Gil in Mechanicsville December 16, 2019 at 9:07 pm

    So, Nits offering the Rainman 4 years $90MM . I don’t see why the Braves can’t match that. If he gets hurt, there is insurance, Can DH in two years when the NL adopts the designated hitter, Will not cost the full 90MM if he is traded prior to the four years. Just saying… After all, didn’t we speculate he was going to the Rangers for 4 years at 100MM ?

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  285. 481 Vox O'Reasoñ December 16, 2019 at 9:25 pm

    Braves should get opportunity to match. I’m betting they will not let him go to the Nats. At least I hope not.

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  286. 482 Vox O'Reasoñ December 17, 2019 at 8:34 am

    Boom.

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  287. 484 Vox O'Reasoñ December 17, 2019 at 8:42 am

    Something else to consider…

    If we can keep JD from the Nats, they’ll almost certainly turn to the Cubs for Kris Bryant. And reportedly the Cubs #1 target from them is Victor Robles. This is an opportunity for AA to control the process. Otherwise, he’ll have to react at the mercy of the remaining targets, all of whom are inferior.

    JD is literally the last big fish in the pond.

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    • 485 berigan2electricboogaloo December 17, 2019 at 10:23 am

      V, agreed. I would hate to have to see J.D. 18,19 times a year, cuz you know he’d play with even more of a chip on his shoulder against the braves….and it would hurt the braves to not have him. Silly to worry about 1 more year, you know? I mean we saw what happened last year, you might find a bat in June/July, but you are going to have to do something weird to protect FF (Swanson? Ozzie?….Acuna???)

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  288. 487 Vox O'Reasoñ December 17, 2019 at 11:24 am

    Rosey doesn’t mention Braves, which may be the best news for Braves fans. AA works in stealth mode.