198: What’s Next?

by Kenny Sirmans

Cristian Pache , do they run with him in CF

I believe that is exactly what you’ll see. He does have offensive potential, but his greatest asset is his Gold Glove caliber defense. We all know how valuable great defense up the middle is. And you touched on it perfectly… the presence of the DH lets you go with him in the 9 hole.

I, too, would like to see Jorge Soler brought back. I’d also like to see Eddie Rosario come back. I fear Eddie will be priced out of our market. But he has great AB’s every time up. A big question, of course, is when will Ronnie return? I don’t expect to see him until at least May, and more likely June. But I won’t put anything past him. Still you have to have someone out there in RF until he gets back.

I know Guillermo Heredia is still under team control (Arb 2) for 2022, so he may get alot of starts awaiting Ronnie’s return.

Two big things have to happen before the Braves can determine who (and more specifically how) they will fill the OF vacancies. #1, they must re-sign Freddie Freeman. That will eat up a chunk of change in the bank account. #2, they must determine what to do with Marcell Ozuna. Like it or not, he’s probably going to be on this team at some point in 2022. He’ll most likely serve a 30-60 day suspension to open the season, But the Braves are pretty powerless to send him away. Even of the dump him somewhere else, they’ll almost certainly have to pay a large portion of his remaining deal. No… the most prudent move is to just keep hi and his still potent bat as the DH.

I think the most likely OF to return is Adam Duvall. Both Rosario and Soler will have multiple bidders driving up the price. Adam will undoubtedly have interest as well, but he fits best on the Atlanta Braves. And he knows that as much as the team knows that. So the go-to OF next season once everyone returns is likely Duvall-Pache-Acuña, with Ozuna as DH and Heredia as 4th OF. That’s still a pretty good OF.

Wild Card: Drew Waters.

Yes, he hit only .240 at AAA. But let me remind you that Duvall only hit .228, and still led the league in RBI.

I don’t think the team would go with 2 rookies in the same OF, but finances will certainly come into play and a rookie salary might let you re-sign Freddie and still have some $$ left over to flesh out the bench. Who knows? I suppose we’ll see what he does in Spring. I think they’ll at least have an open mind depending on his performance in Spring.

287 Responses to “198: What’s Next?”


  1. 1 Gil in Mechanicsville November 3, 2021 at 2:39 pm

    Great opine VOR…

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  2. 2 Clarence Elliott November 3, 2021 at 2:40 pm

    GREAT ANALYSIS, we will see what the Spring brings.  BTW Congratulations to the Champions!

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  3. 3 Vox O'Reasoñ November 3, 2021 at 3:43 pm

    Thanks folks It’s really hard to think ahead while still basking n the current glory, but there really is no time to rest. Free Agency is less than 1 week away. That said, here are the obligatory “important dates” for this offseason, courtesy of MLBTR:

    November 3: The beginning of a five-day period where teams and players must decide whether to exercise or decline contract options and opt-out clauses for the 2022 season. Eligible free agents cannot sign with anyone but their current team for five more days.

    November 7, 4:00 pm CST: The deadline for teams to issue qualifying offers (one-year, $18.4MM contracts) to eligible free agents. For a breakdown of the draft choices teams would forfeit by signing a qualified free agent, see here.

    November 8: Free agency officially opens.

    November 8-11: General managers’ meetings, hosted in Carlsbad, California.

    November 17: Deadline for players tagged with a qualifying offer to accept or reject the QO.

    November 19: Deadline for teams to add players to the 40-man roster to keep them from selection in the Rule 5 draft.

    December 1, 11:59 pm: Expiration of the current collective bargaining agreement. If MLB and the MLBPA do not agree on a new CBA by then, the league may institute a lockout that freezes teams’ ability to make transactions until negotiations are resolved.

    December 2: The deadline for teams to tender contracts to arbitration-eligible players.

    December 6-9: Winter meetings scheduled to take place in Orlando, Florida.

    December 8: Rule 5 draft.

    December 15: Conclusion of the 2020-21 international amateur signing period. Typically scheduled to run from July through June, the 2020-21 and 2021-22 international signing periods were delayed to run from January through December as part of MLB’s COVID-19 rules changes.

    January 14, 2022: Date for teams and arbitration-eligible players to exchange filing figures. Teams and players are still free to settle and avoid arbitration after this date, although many clubs elect to proceed with a “file-and-trial” strategy — essentially deciding to proceed to a hearing with any players with whom a settlement is not reached by then.

    January 15, 2022: The scheduled start of the 2021-22 international amateur signing period. The 2021-22 period is scheduled to run through December 15, 2022.

    February 26, 2022: First games of Spring Training.

    March 31, 2022: Opening Day.

    The most important date of all of these is the December 1 expiration of the current CBA. Everything else revolves around that one… literally.

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  4. 4 Vox O'Reasoñ November 3, 2021 at 4:53 pm

    Speaking of the business side of things, this is from the official release by MLB today:

    NEW YORK, Nov. 3 – One hundred sixty players today were declared XX(B) free agents. Additional players may become XX(B) free agents pending option decisions in their Uniform Player Contracts.

    Atlanta Braves (7): Ehire Adrianza, Jesse Chavez, Freddie Freeman, Christopher Martin, Eddie Rosario, Drew Smyly, Jorge Soler

    You can also add to that Adam Duvall and Joc Pederson, both of whom hold a mutual option. It would be shocking if either was to pick up his respective side.

    Please ignore Frederick Freeman. He shall not be allowed to leave town. I have a hard time seeing any of the remaining 8 returning to Atlanta, with the possible exception of Chavez, and to a lesser degree Adrianza.

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  5. 5 carolinalady November 3, 2021 at 5:38 pm

    Wow, excellent points, V!
    I’m still happily surprised to actually see THE trophy in ATL again! I kept expecting for things to collapse at the last moment. Again. This is me grinning.

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  6. 7 Vox O'Reasoñ November 4, 2021 at 1:27 pm

    Well… you learn something new every day. As expected, Adam Duvall has declined his half of the mutual option for 2022, which would have paid him $7M. Instead he’ll get a $3M buyout. That was a no-brainer for Duvall. But here’s what I didn’t realize…

    Adam has less than 6-years of ML service and is thus not yet FA eligible. He remains property of the Braves as an Arb4 player. It’s quite likely that he and the Braves will work out a figure on a new deal before it gets to the arb table, but stranger things have happened. But the greater point here is that the likelihood of Duvall returning to the Braves is now massively higher than I estimated earlier.

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  7. 9 Vox O'Reasoñ November 4, 2021 at 1:38 pm

    Speaking of arb eligible players, the Braves have an astounding 14 players currently eligible for arbitration, including 7 first timers. The players are listed below with their arb status. The players in bold are those with whom I believe the team should/could reach agreement on deals of 2 or more years. Those in italics I believe are in danger of being non-tendered.

    Dansby Swanson, Arb 4
    Adam Duvall, Arb 4
    Luke Jackson, Arb 4
    Grant Dayton, Arb 4
    Orlando Arcia, Arb 3
    Guillermo Heredia, Arb 2
    Richard Rodríguez, Arb 2
    Max Fried, Arb 1
    Mike Soroka, Arb 1
    Johan Camargo, Arb 1
    A.J. Minter, Arb 1
    Tyler Matzek, Arb 1
    Sean Newcomb, Arb 1
    Austin Riley, Arb 1

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  8. 11 Vox O'Reasoñ November 4, 2021 at 1:56 pm

    The even crazier fact here is that the Braves currently have just 8 players under contract for 2022, not counting arb and pre-arb players. One of those is Joc Pederson who also holds half a mutual option ($10M) which he is very likely to decline, and another is Josh Tomlin with whom the Braves hold a team option ($1.25M). I’ll be surprised if Tomlin pitches for the Braves in 2022. I won’t be surprised if he becomes a coach in the organization somewhere. That leaves 6 players under firm contract. Of those, one is injured to start the 2022 season (Ronnie), one is likely to be suspended to open the 2022 season (Marcell Ozuna), and one is coming back from a broken leg (Charlie Morton). The remaining players are Travis d’Arnaud, Ozzie Albies, and Will Smith.

    Methinks Alex A has some work to do over the upcoming weeks.

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    • 12 Gil in Mechanicsville November 4, 2021 at 2:02 pm

      Well, if Liberty Media was ever in mind to sell the franchise, there would be no better time than now. They would not have to unload payroll and the value would never be higher… Just thinking out loud…

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  9. 13 Vox O'Reasoñ November 5, 2021 at 9:57 am

    As expected, Joc Pederson has declined his half of the mutual option ($10M) and will instead receive a $2.5M buyout and enter the Free Agent pool.

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  10. 14 Gil in Mechanicsville November 5, 2021 at 9:59 am

    Goodbye Joc, we hardly knew you… And always remember, diamonds are a girl’s best friend… 🙂

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  11. 15 Gil in Mechanicsville November 5, 2021 at 9:59 am

    Question, how much is Rizzo signed for?

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  12. 17 berigan2electricboogaloo November 5, 2021 at 12:41 pm

    everyone at the parade? 😛 Ok, it is only 49, are you at least watching it?

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  13. 18 Vox O'Reasoñ November 5, 2021 at 1:39 pm

    I watched some, but there is only so much a person can watch cars and buses ride by with people screaming at them. Now that I think about it, I could just go to the local elementary school carpool. 😉

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  14. 19 Gil in Mechanicsville November 5, 2021 at 1:43 pm

    Hey, I’m already primed for the start of the AFL next week

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    • 20 Gil in Mechanicsville November 5, 2021 at 1:56 pm

      However, I am watching the commentary and interviews. I might not live long enough to see another one. Expectations for next year will be sky high but reaching the mountain top is not all that easy.

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  15. 21 Gil in Mechanicsville November 5, 2021 at 2:34 pm

    Watching the crowd reaction to the team is amazing, I wonder if this is what Julius Caesar felt like returning to Rome? AWSOME

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  16. 22 berigan2electricboogaloo November 5, 2021 at 5:13 pm

    great stuff at the stadium! Looks like a near sellout! 😉 Didn’t even know Alex had Covid, and couldn’t be at game 6 (they say) and is stuck in a suite above.

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  17. 23 Gordon Lawrence November 6, 2021 at 9:23 am

    I don’t expect Pederson back.
    I agree it’s likely Duvall returns.
    Jorge Soler and Eddie Rosario are high on my list.
    Both those guy’s have real offensive worth, moreso than Duvall.
    Defensively, not so much.
    Rosario provides quality ab’s making pitchers work to get him out, and increasing pitch counts.
    That’s a real asset offensively.
    Soler’s improvement in his swing is just what I wanted, and if he stays with it will make him serious money.
    People will see him for the potential NL DH that he is.
    However, I don’t see the money for either with Freeman’s new deal hanging in the balance.
    Also, what do you do with Lt. Dans?
    He fought and lost an arb battle last season.
    If Atlanta wants him long term, AA need’s to step up and let him know that now.
    He certainly proved his worth this year.
    If we wait on a contract with real money, he may fly the coop come FA in 2023.
    Waters and Pache’ are blocked in the event either Rosario or Soler are retained.
    Do you trade one or both for a starting pitcher, or bullpen depth?
    The stench of Ozuna and his contract hangs over 2022 like a pall.
    Maybe Manfred grows a pair, and gives the miscreant a three-year suspension.
    That would solve our financial dilemma instantly.
    Pitch…………another ball of wax.
    Later on that.

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    • 24 Gil in Mechanicsville November 6, 2021 at 10:51 am

      Yes Gordon, you make excellent points but the truth is, Liberty Media and by extension AA, the Braves can afford whoever they want. If Liberty doesn’t recognize the value a winning team has by now, they should just go ahead and free the franchise of their encumbrance and sell it to someone who does.

      I get why AA disn’t sign Freddie last spring, he was handcuffed by the bean counters at Liberty. Rather than insult Fab 5 with a low ball offer, he waited hoping their would be an uptick in the Braves fortunes, what he didn’t recon with was how expensive Freddie would become if allow to explore unfetted free agency.

      I can hear the alarm beeping now with what Boston of San Fran will offer. Maybe the Braves can sign Rizzo….

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  18. 25 Vox O'Reasoñ November 8, 2021 at 7:55 am

    I can hear the alarm beeping now with what Boston of San Fran will offer. Maybe the Braves can sign Rizzo

    If Freddie does not re-sign in ATL, I will sidle up to the table for some of Ber’s crow. No way this does not happen. Both sides are on record with their intent. As you mentioned, it couldn’t get done before 2021 with the massive revenue losses of 2020. But this offseason is an entirely different situation.

    That said, the $$ it will cost to keep Freddie here will still be substantial and will be what prevents either Rosario or Soler from returning. Choices. I’ll take Freddie. Duvall will be back unless he’s traded. He’s fully under team control.

    I predict that Pache will be in the lineup in 2022, and Waters will play the yoyo role before he replaces Duvall in 2023. Gotta have some rookie contracts mixed in to help offset the top dogs. Again, re-signing Freddie has ramifications. Choices. I’ll take Freddie.

    Manfred… a pair? Hardly. The man couldn’t find balls on a golf course. And let’s not forget that all this will be going on under the black cloud of the expiring CBA. No way Manfred will do anything that might cause Tony Clark to even blink. He’ll roll over on Ozuna if for nothing else to throw the MLBPA a bone.

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    • 26 Gil in Mechanicsville November 8, 2021 at 8:11 am

      Actually, anything Manfred can do to hurt Atlanta will be done IMHO…

      When you think about it, MLB has done just about everything possible to hurt the Atlanta Braves franchise. I only regret the Braves didn’t win on their home field so the Braves faithful could have booed him lustfully like he so richly deserved to be.

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  19. 27 Vox O'Reasoñ November 8, 2021 at 12:50 pm

    So in case you missed it over the weekend, the Braves made a handful of procedural roster moves in accordance with league requirements. They:

    … declined the option on Josh Tomlin.
    … released Grant Dayton.
    … outrighted Terrence Gore to AAA Gwinnett.
    … reinstated Mike Soroka from the 60-day IL.
    … reinstated Ronnie Acuña, Jr. from the 60-day IL.
    … added OF Travis Demeritte to the 40-man roster.
    … added RHP Alan Rangel to the 40-man roster.
    … and removed Marcell Ozuna rom the Restricted List, which places him back on the 40-man roster.

    Now, the move with Ozuna was purely procedural, much like the moves with Soroka and Ronnie. At the appropriate time, they will all be designated to their respective appropriate lists… Soroka and Ronnie likely back to the 60-day IL, and Ozuna to the Suspended List for an undetermined length of time. MLB really doesn’t have to do anything with him until closer to the start of next season, so I don’t expect them to. They are exactly the most pro-active bunch we’ve ever seen. And naturally, Alex will not have any real idea of how much the team will have to pay Ozuna while he’s working to fill out the roster over the winter. MLB screws the Braves again, right?

    For what it’s worth, the 40-man roster currently sits at 35. This before the team has to make decisions on a host of minor leaguers eligible for the Rule 5 draft. Of course, eligible doesn’t mean desirable. Drew Waters is a given. Freddy Tarnok will probably need to be added. He may be the only one that I’d be worried about losing aside from Waters. The others… meh. I doubt it, but I wouldn’t sweat it either way if a guy got snatched. I don’t see anyone that I think could make on a ML roster for the entire 2022 season aside from Waters and maybe Tarnok, and he won’t make the Braves’ roster, so there’s that.

    I say all this to say, there will be many more roster moves to be made. The team will likely fill the remaining 5 spots with Rule 5 guys, a fringe quick strike bench signing or 2, and some dude named Frederick. Then make adjustments as necessary. If I were Demeritte, I wouldn’t go buying any real estate.

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  20. 29 Gil in Mechanicsville November 9, 2021 at 7:00 am

    News from the AFL:

    For those wondering why the Braves might be hesitant to extend Freddie too far into the future and why Bryce Ball was so expendable…

    Drew Lugbauer, C/1B: Lugbauer was a replacement for Shea Langeliers, who ended up on the Braves’ taxi squad for their entire postseason run. And, boy, is he making the most of the opportunity. Formerly a catcher who now plays first almost exclusively, he’s coming off a solid year at Double-A, where he showed above-average power (18 homers). The Braves wanted to continue to expose him to a higher level of pitching and he’s responded by hitting .433 with four homers over his first nine games.

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  21. 33 Gil in Mechanicsville November 9, 2021 at 9:39 am

    As exciting as the last two months have been, it is time to put the 2021 season behind us and look to the future. Baseball and sports in general are like that, you don’t get to dwell on your success vey long before having to move on to the next thing. I guess that is why one needs to take it all in when they have the chance.

    Like the old adage, Time is fun when you are having flies….

    Anyhoo, I am glad I am not the Braves GM, too bad he didn’t get to celebrate with the team but maybe incentive to repeat next year. Alec is in a tough spot, between having to overpay Fab5 at the expense of the rest of the team or making an offer everyone can live with and risk losing the most popular player on the team and hurting ticket sales.

    Of course we all know nothing is etched in stone, at some point Freddie could be traded for a bag of balls and a fungo bat or a slew of 5 star prospects. The bigger question is if Ozuna can be rehabilitated (cough) and some value regained out of his contract. It would be nice if some of that money owed to him could be paid to keep Rosario and Soler in Atlanta.

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  22. 34 Vox O'Reasoñ November 9, 2021 at 9:54 am

    I have been doing some reading around some national pundits, and I find it interesting the general ideas that are present. Almost universally they believe Freddie will return to Atlanta, and many believe it will happen early… like in soon. That is not very surprising though, as we tend to stay on top the goings on around here and understand the string mutual interest in keeping Freddie as a Braves lifer.

    I am a bit surprised that multiple writers believe the team will non-tender Adam Duvall rather than pay him upwards of the estimated $10M pricetag he’s expected to receive in his final arb year. Maybe that is not so shocking, but it’s the reasoning that surprises me a bit. It seems that there is a broad opinion that the Braves would redirect that money toward bringing Eddie Rosario back. And when I read further, I see that he truly fits the needs of this team like a glove. Imagine this top 5 in the lineup: Ronnie, Eddie, Freddie, Riley, Ozzie. And that doesn’t even take into account the DH, who could slot in at #5 depending on who it is (or which side of the plate he swings from).

    I love Duvey and believe the Braves furious 2nd half run to the trophy could not have happened without him. But I’ll take Eddie Rosario over him all day long and twice on Sunday.

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    • 35 Vox O'Reasoñ November 9, 2021 at 9:58 am

      Ronnie (R)
      Eddie (L)
      Freddie (L)
      Riley (R)
      Ozuna (R)
      Ozzie (S)
      Dans (R)
      dArnaud (R)
      Pache (R)

      When you look at it this way, we desperately need Eddie’s LH bat in the lineup.

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      • 36 Vox O'Reasoñ November 9, 2021 at 10:00 am

        Eddie (L)
        Ronnie (R)
        Freddie (L)
        Riley (R)
        Someone who us not Ozuna (L)
        Ozzie (S)
        Dans (R)
        dArnaud (R)
        Waters (S)

        Better 😀

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      • 37 Gil in Mechanicsville November 9, 2021 at 10:24 am

        I think the Braves will indeed tender an offer to Duvall, for how much remains to be seen. I don’t think they will just let him walk again like last season.

        Spring training should be fun. Can’t wait to see how Waters and Pache fare this spring.

        Let us not forget Acuna will not be bake until late May or June. I would rather he delay his return than push it too soon and reinjure his knee.

        What is the scuttlebutt on how much it would cost to sign Soler?

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  23. 38 Vox O'Reasoñ November 9, 2021 at 11:12 am

    Courtesy of MLBTR, Braves FAs by ranking with estimated cost:
    No. 3 Freddie Freeman: 6 yrs / $180M
    No. 25 Jorge Soler. 3 yrs / $36M
    No. 41 Eddie Rosario. 2 yrs / $15M

    Notes from their list… the two ahead of Freddie on their list are Carlos Correa and Corey Seager. And those two are gonna get paid. Surprising OFs ahead of Soler and Eddie are Kyle Schwarber (No. 15), Mark Canha, (No. 30), and Michael Conforto (No. 32). Schwarber had a nice season, but #15? Way too high. Canha over Eddie? Hardly. Conforto might be about right, but Eddie is too low.

    For what it’s worth, if I’m weighing 1 year of Duvall at $10M or 2 years of Eddie at $15M, that’s a no brainer to me.

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  24. 41 Gordon Lawrence November 9, 2021 at 5:31 pm

    LM opens the checkbook, and said to AA, “whatever you want. Make it happen.”

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  25. 42 Vox O'Reasoñ November 10, 2021 at 7:54 am

    I read somewhere, can’t remember where, that the league could suspend Marcell Ozuna for as long as the entire 2022 season. I can’t see it, but it would be quite helpful to have that $16M in AA’s back pocket 2022. One has to wonder if he’s had any off-the-record communication with the league office so that he has some sort of ballpark idea what that flexibility might be..? In all likelihood, he’s operating as if he’ll have to pay the whole freight.

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    • 43 Gil in Mechanicsville November 10, 2021 at 8:08 am

      Please refer to my previous comment about Rob Manfred’s relationship with the Atlanta ballclub….

      I expect despite the snub by MLB as to Manager of the Year and Executive of the Year Awards, other publications and organizations will recognize the astuteness of both Brian Snitker and Alex Anthopoulos and the value they brought to the game.

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    • 44 Gordon Lawrence November 10, 2021 at 10:31 am

      Be sure the commis will delay judgement on Ozuna as long as possible to allow the Braves’ organization, and Liberty’s pocketbook to twist in the wind.

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  26. 45 berigan2electricboogaloo November 10, 2021 at 7:37 pm

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  27. 47 Gordon Lawrence November 10, 2021 at 11:00 pm

    Does anyone here see anything major such as a Freeman signing before the December 1 contract expiration?

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    • 48 Gil in Mechanicsville November 11, 2021 at 8:47 am

      I think it confuses everything. There is a big move towards union busting going on in this country. I understand the urge for some athletes to desire to be paid for a very short lives skill set but until Congress repeals MLB’s anti trust exemption, there will always be discord.

      So what do people want? Equality across the board where there is a level playing field or an industry where money rules? I think a hard salary cap allows the smartest to thrive and the pretenders to be found out.

      One more comment: Scott Boras is mad because the Braves proved you do not have to spend the most money to win. It scares the crap out of him.

      One thing people should be aware of is how inflation (currently heading towards 10%) will cause bumps in salary as will as driving the price of every related thing skyward.

      All that said, I have repeatedly stated that any increase in the price of petroleum will have a corresponding increase in the cost of living. How hard is it for people to see that?

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  28. 49 Gil in Mechanicsville November 11, 2021 at 8:36 am

    “A criminal charge is not necessary for Manfred to suspend a player under baseball’s joint domestic-violence policy. But before issuing a ruling on Bauer, who is facing sexual assault allegations stemming from two separate incidents with a woman at his residence in Pasadena, Calif., Manfred likely will wait for the Los Angeles County district attorney’s office to determine whether it will pursue criminal charges against the Dodgers right-hander.

    Bauer has been on paid administrative leave since July 2. The Pasadena Police Department presented its investigation to the DA’s office on Sept. 3. Most associated with the case believe Bauer will not be charged, but the timetable for the DA’s decision is not known.

    Once Manfred issues his ruling, other layers will start to unfold, starting with an expected challenge from Bauer, who maintains his innocence and likely would appeal before an arbitration panel. If the suspension holds, Bauer would owe the Dodgers back pay for any part that is retroactive, with the rest also being unpaid.”

    This is something Braves fans should follow closely because other then the sex being involved, the outcome for Ozuna should follow the same guidelines. Just saying.

    Now, as for the allegations against Bauer. It is my opinion that it is more of a groupie looking for a payday than an actual assault. I look at the Kobi Bryant case involving a hotel clerk as a good example. While I don’t condone rape nor battery, people need to be aware of all the possible situations they can get themselves into.

    I once saw a little ditty which defined stress as: “resisting the urge to kick the living shit out of someone who sorely deserves it”

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    • 50 Vox O'Reasoñ November 11, 2021 at 8:51 am

      The thing with Ozuna is that once he completes the diversion program in which the court has placed him, the remaining charges against him are likely to be dropped. Don’t forget the original criminal charges have already been dropped. Once all that happens, there will be no grounds for further punitive action. The league will still have latitude to suspend him for some period of time to start the season based on their collective behavioral standards, but the MLBPA would surely push back against anything too harsh. And to be honest, we don’t know how that aspect of the CBA will be hammered out in the new one; Ozuna’s case won’t be addressed before the current CBA expires. The only real thread of hope for Braves fans is that we now live in this “woke” and “me too” era, and perhaps both sides are keenly aware of the optics involved for players who are involved in such domestic issues. But in this fan’s humble opinion, Marcell Ozuna will be suspended for only 60-90 days before his inevitable return to the team.

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  29. 54 Vox O'Reasoñ November 12, 2021 at 11:10 am

    If this guy doesn’t become a coach in the organization somewhere it’ll be a shame.

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    • 55 Vox O'Reasoñ November 12, 2021 at 11:24 am

      An excerpt from the above linked article:

      That eagerness to help mold young ballplayers may be the key to Kazmar’s next phase of life. Though he will miss the adrenaline rush that comes with directly affecting a game’s outcome, it’s clear he has the desire to impart his vast experience to baseball’s next wave of talent.

      “My plan is to stay in this game for a long time to come,” said Kazmar. “Hang out in the dugout a little bit more. But yeah, that’s what I’m going to miss, getting in between those lines and physically making a difference in the game.”

      Still only weeks removed from the end of his playing career, he hasn’t yet formulated a plan for what he will do next.

      “I’m not 100% sure exactly what’s going to happen next year as far as where I’ll be or what exactly I’ll be doing,” said Kazmar. “But I’m planning on being in a uniform in some capacity, helping an organization out the best way I can.”

      There are always organizational openings to be filled. The Braves could do alot worse. I’d like to see him manage a young team. The dude has a wealth of knowledge.

      If the reports are to be believed, the A’s have an eye on Wash to fill their managerial void. That would leave a need for both a base coach and an infield coach.

      Just sayin’…

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  30. 57 Vox O'Reasoñ November 12, 2021 at 11:27 am

    Speaking of the A’s vacancy, Wash isn’t the only Braves coach to be on their wish list. Walt Weiss is also mentioned there. I tend to think Weiss is the heir apparent to Snit’s job in another 3-4 years. But he may find another chance sooner than that elsewhere.

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  31. 58 Gil in Mechanicsville November 12, 2021 at 11:57 am

    I am a big believer that the sum of the parts collectively is greater than the value of the parts totaled individually. Team chemistry is a real thing and very hard to gauge when trying to add to it. i.e. A jerk is still a jerk no matter the uniform.

    AA has a tough job ahead as the expectations for the year will be sky high. That said, there will still be some nation media types who will predict a 4th place finish in the NL East next season for Los Barvos.

    I doubt many moves will be made until a new CBA is done. DH, salary caps, even the start of the season…

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  32. 59 Gil in Mechanicsville November 12, 2021 at 4:39 pm

    Angles GM spoke today on the value of having a collection of players who play as a team. Must have watched the Braves interviews huh?

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  33. 60 Vox O'Reasoñ November 14, 2021 at 7:37 am

    Don’t believe the click bait “report” on supposed Braves/Freeman negotiations. First, when have any details or numbers ever leaked out of Alex’s airtight office? Second, why would Bob Nightengale have any insight at all? Sorry, Woke Bob, I don’t believe you. Nothing to see here. And remember, Woke Bob is the writer who on the day after the Braves’ World Series victory proclaimed them “Racist” and vowed to never write their team name again. I immediately unfollowed his Twitter account. He has lost all credibility.

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  34. 61 Gil in Mechanicsville November 14, 2021 at 11:31 am

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  35. 63 Vox O'Reasoñ November 15, 2021 at 9:36 pm

    I like this signing a lot. It signals a couple of things. #1, the Braves are clearly not going into the 2022 season with a shaky backup catcher plan like they did in 2021. Td’A is good, but he can’t handle even a 120 game load. 96/66 seems more plausible. And should he go down to injury again, they won’t chew through 7 starters trying to compensate. #2, the Braves obviously do not believe William Contreras is ready to take the big step up in 2022. With the progress Shae Langeliers showed in 2021, destroying AA pitching, he’s unlikely to spend any more time in Mississippi. I won’t be surprised at all if Contreras is traded this off-season.

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  36. 65 Vox O'Reasoñ November 16, 2021 at 11:13 am

    Holy schnikey!!

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  37. 66 Vox O'Reasoñ November 16, 2021 at 11:14 am

    Somebody tossed some gasoline into the hot stove.

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  38. 68 Vox O'Reasoñ November 16, 2021 at 1:08 pm

    Tomahawk Take writer James Kunkle posted this assertion just a few minutes ago while discussing the Braves OF possibilities:

    Let me go ahead put this out there as well. As obvious as it may seem, we should still put in writing that Marcell Ozuna will most likely never wear an Atlanta Braves jersey again and the biggest remaining question there is how much money the team will save off his contract if any.

    I have no idea by what authority or source he makes that statement. Does he know something we don’t, or is he simply stating his heartfelt opinion?

    The takeaway here is that to my knowledge the Braves do not and will not have any mechanism under which to void the remaining 3 guaranteed years ($16M, $18M, & $18M) left on Ozuna’s deal. They will most likely get a little relief in the form of a suspension from MLB prior to the 2022 season, but the length of that is still up in the air. Even a full year’s suspension seems far fetched. Operating on the opinion of the talented Mr. Kunkle, will Liberty Media through its surrogate Terry McGuirk just eat the remaining money? Or at the least eat a large portion of it to send him elsewhere? I can’t see it that way. Kunkle makes that statement with great ease, but I’m not as certain. I wish I was.

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  39. 70 Vox O'Reasoñ November 17, 2021 at 8:27 am

    Another pot-stirring report came out yesterday based on an assumption from Jon Heyman, and then reported as fact across the inter-webs. Heyman’s click-bait headline says that the sticking point between the Braves and Freddie Freeman is a 6th guaranteed year.

    Why does anyone believe that Jon Heyman or Bob Nightengale or anyone knows what’s going on between the Braves and Freddie?

    First, no one gets a peep out of the Braves front office until a deal is struck. That is the way Alex has operated since he’s been here, and operated in his prior GM stints as well. There is greater security there than the White House.

    Second, even Joe Biden could grasp the concept (OK, maybe not Uncle Joe… bad example) that the Braves view Freddie as a Braves lifer. So why would a 6th year even be an issue? That makes no sense. But I suppose these writers (NOTE: “writers”, not journalists) must have something to grab eyeballs with, so they just make it up as they go along. I especially liked the way that Heyman tied Freddie to the Yankees, and later slipped in that many teams have checked in with Freddie’s agent, including the Yankees. Yep, that surely means that the Yankees are swooping in and a signing is imminent. Sista please…

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    • 71 Gil in Mechanicsville November 17, 2021 at 8:48 am

      My only question of why the Yankees would be interested in Freddie would be why when it would be much easier to retain the services of Anthony Rizzo is right there and his swing is much better suited for the short porch at Yankee Stadium. Freddie is still an up the middle, left center guy who hits an occasional home run but that is not his game. He is really more in the Mark Grace mode of hitter. I guess they could try to get him to change up but again, Anthony Rizzo is already acclimated o New York, just saying…

      So yes, you are right, click bait. if Freddie were to go anywhere besides Atlanta it will be to the left coast.

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    • 72 Gordon Lawrence November 19, 2021 at 5:19 pm

      Since you wax political, could have used Donald Trump.
      Neither are illuminating intelligence-wise

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  40. 73 Gil in Mechanicsville November 17, 2021 at 11:23 am

    “Catcher Shea Langeliers had a strong season at Double-A Mississippi, showing his budding power potential with 22 home runs and displaying stellar defense. He used his plus arm to throw out 42% of basestealers. He received a late promotion to Triple-A Gwinnett after Mississippi’s season ended.”

    42%…WOW!

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    • 74 Vox O'Reasoñ November 17, 2021 at 11:42 am

      He has leapfrogged William Contreras in the Braves plans. I honestly think WillieC will be included in a trade package in the next few weeks.

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    • 75 Gordon Lawrence November 19, 2021 at 5:22 pm

      42% Now that should impress an old catcher.
      It got my attention and i never played catcher a day in my life.

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      • 76 Gil in Mechanicsville November 19, 2021 at 5:45 pm

        My elbow gave out pretty quick, when I got to the point I could not throw the ball back to the pitcher on the fly, my days were numbered. The fact I could still hit allowed me to stick around.

        But 42% is telling because most bases are actually stolen on the pitcher.

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  41. 77 Gil in Mechanicsville November 17, 2021 at 11:24 am

    Michael Harris the new #1 prospect… How the mighty have fallen ie Pache & Waters…

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  42. 79 Vox O'Reasoñ November 17, 2021 at 11:40 am

    I know that all eyes are on Freddie and his contract situation, but I was reminded of a jarring fact this morning. As it currently stands, these are the only OFs on the team’s 40-man roster:

    Ronald Acuña, Jr. (not healthy)
    Marcell Ozuna (not available, and not an OF anymore)
    Adam Duvall (not certain to be tendered)
    Guillermo Heredia (not a starter)
    Cristian Pache (not a proven ML’er)
    Travis Demeritte (not a chance of making the roster)

    Crikey…

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    • 80 Gil in Mechanicsville November 17, 2021 at 12:20 pm

      Yes, looks like Alex has some work to do but I have faith we Braves fans will be rewarded for our patience. I read that Ozuna is headed to the Dominican winter league. I hope he excels there so he can bring a greater return when AA trades him.

      What do you want to bet other GMs are lowballing the Braves re Ozuna because they feel he is over a barrel. Don’t bet on that. After all, Bobby Cox was still employed by the Braves for many years after his domestic kerfuffle. No, he is not exactly the poster boy for the Los Bravos but he isn’t exactly Trevor Bauer either.

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  43. 81 Vox O'Reasoñ November 17, 2021 at 12:54 pm

    MLBTR: The Braves are also among the teams with interest in [Justin] Verlander, tweets David O’Brien of The Athletic. Atlanta would align well with Verlander’s reported preference for an East Coast club with Spring Training in Florida, and their status as reigning World Series champions obviously helps when pursuing any older veteran prioritizing a contender.

    Interesting.

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  44. 84 Gil in Mechanicsville November 17, 2021 at 3:32 pm

    Well, why not?

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  45. 85 Gil in Mechanicsville November 18, 2021 at 6:11 am

    It was just more grist for the mill methinks….

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  46. 90 Vox O'Reasoñ November 18, 2021 at 9:01 pm

    Tomorrow is the deadline to protect players eligible for the Rule 5 draft. Braves got it done today.

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  47. 91 berigan2electricboogaloo November 18, 2021 at 9:37 pm

    Well, Bryce Harper, who did NOTHING in the last 3 games against the braves is the MVP…and DOB doesn’t care cuz…he didn’t vote (how come?) He’ll never criticize other writers, he wants to be their friends….sigh….
    Sorry Riley, we all know you were the MVP. Where would the braves have been without him?

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    • 92 Gil in Mechanicsville November 19, 2021 at 6:31 am

      Well Ber, not in first place in the East nor World Series champs… but I digress…

      Pretty sure all the accolades being handed out are consolation prizes for the also rans.

      The five year player draft is an opportunity for the bottom feeders to shore up their rosters on the cheap. Look for action by the Pirates, the Orioles and Marlins. Hey, every once in a Blue Moon, one of these guys make a splash.

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    • 93 Gordon Lawrence November 19, 2021 at 5:13 pm

      I got off the DOB train before he cast the AJC aside fir the new gig with the Athletic.

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  48. 94 Gil in Mechanicsville November 19, 2021 at 6:45 am

    Another day ahead for we Braves fans as we await for the shoe to drop with Freddie Freeman. All the while other things are happening. The Braves would still like a little guidance from the commissioner’s office as to which way they are leaning on Ozuna.

    Folks, I have to say it’s tough for any team not the Dodgers, Red Sox or Yankees to figure out where their next paycheck is coming from.

    Like McGuirk has said, the Braves can shop on any aisle, what is not said is those aisles will be at Dollar General and Walmart.

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  49. 95 Gil in Mechanicsville November 19, 2021 at 5:53 pm

    Nice award bestowed upon Ozzie Albies by the MLBBP Alumni. The Heart and Hustle Award. That is pretty stout when you consider it includes all of the players in the show for 2021 and is voted on a bunch with a critical eye.

    Now, if we can just get Ozzie to be a little more aware of situational hitting. I get the feeling he hates for a pitcher to throw a wasted pitch. I think that is what impressed me with Soler, he was very selective and did not swing at a lot of bad pitches. I know if I were a pitcher facing Ozzie, I would never throw him a strike.

    As for the MVP vote, that was pretty much a done deal. It was decided after Acuna went down to injury.

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  50. 96 Gil in Mechanicsville November 19, 2021 at 8:23 pm

    The Yankees designated outfielder Clint Frazier for assignment ahead of Friday’s 6 p.m. ET deadline all clubs faced to set 40-man rosters.

    Frazier, 27, was selected fifth overall in the 2013 Draft and was a key piece of the Deadline trade that sent relief ace Andrew Miller from New York to Cleveland in 2016. Frazier’s best season came in 2019, when he hit .267/.317/.489 with 12 homers in a career-high 69 games. Although touted for his potential and bat speed, Frazier has seen his career be derailed by various injuries, including concussion issues.

    Question: can he play centerfield?

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  51. 97 Gil in Mechanicsville November 21, 2021 at 4:35 pm

    I have been thinking about how Alex explains away not signing Freddie and who he will go after to replace him.

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  52. 98 Vox O'Reasoñ November 22, 2021 at 8:39 am

    Gut predictions as of Nov. 22:

    Freddie Freeman will return to complete the infield.

    Eddie Rosario will return to LF.

    Travis Demeritte will lose his 40-man roster spot fairly quickly.

    Adam Duvall will not be tendered.

    A veteran starting pitcher will be added.

    No major bullpen arm will be added, but a handful of low risk options will be given opportunities.

    Marcell Ozuna will not appear in a game in 2022.

    There will be a fairly significant trade involving a prospect or 2 that might be surprising. This could be the year that Alex opens the prospect capital vault to secure a bona fide CF with a few years of team control remaining. Ketel Marte? Byron Buxton? Bryan Reynolds? Ramon Laureano? Reynolds seems the most likely to me. Alex made an attempt to acquire him at last year’s deadline and missed. He’s gonna cost Cristian Pache, William Contereas, a top pitcher like Tucker Davidson or Kyle Muller, and probably a low level throw-in. Worth it? If we’re all in now, which we should be, then it’s worth it.

    I cannot predict a name for the 2022 DH, but this person will be capable of playing RF from time to time. Jorge Soler seems a no-brainer, but his market will be fairly robust. Michael Conforto fits the mold of the guy who might sign a 1-year “pillow” contract to reestablish his market position. Wouldn’t surprise me. Given the remaining uncertainty over Ozuna and his commitment, I can’t see Alex giving a long term deal to a DH.

    The gut gets a little queasy and uncertain after that…

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    • 99 Gil in Mechanicsville November 22, 2021 at 8:49 am

      Yes, we can only hope your crystal ball in the gut is not hazy this winter. To get a lot you generally have to give up a lot. Well, most of the time.

      To me, Duvall is exactly the kind of player of the modern game mold. Strike out or home run. He can play the outfield and he does drive in runs. Who knows, for some reason he just isn’t like by the stat heads in the Braves basement.

      Yes, I am pretty sure Alex had the money owed to Ozuna to work with but he doesn’t so that is that…

      Soler, a favorite of Gordons by the way, looks to be a great fit except for the bean counters. The NL East won’t be any easier this season. Look for both the Mutts and the Phils to spend big.

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  53. 100 Vox O'Reasoñ November 22, 2021 at 9:59 am

    I think Adam Duvall is a fine fit for LF, especially since he can actually play all 3 OF positions. But I believe that Alex will sort of “choose” between Duvall and Rosario, since I don’t think he can pay them both. The lineup still tilts a little heavy to the right side, so Rosario is the better fit for me. And if you keep Duvall instead, which is NOT a bad move, then your DH will almost certainly need to be a LH.

    I suppose a case could also be made to keep them both and rotate the DH between Duvall, Rosario and RAJ. In fact, the DH should allow RAJ to return a little earlier than he would if he had to go directly to RF. That’s why I believe any DH-type hitter that’s acquired will need to be able to play RF.

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  54. 101 Vox O'Reasoñ November 22, 2021 at 10:08 am

    You could do alot worse than to bring back all 3 of Duvall, Rosario and Soler, and wait for RAJ’s return. But I don’t see that being fiscally feasible for Alex. That said, he’s on record as stating the payroll is going up. The team made out large on the playoff run, their home attendance was among the best in the league, and The Battery was boon for the club. Add the fact that Liberty Media disclosed a higher TV revenue projection going forward at their recent board meeting, and the recipe is there for Alex to have more financial flexibility than previous years. That doesn’t mean it will happen, but the means for it certainly exist.

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  55. 102 Gil in Mechanicsville November 22, 2021 at 11:35 am

    So many back room deals to be made and the CBA has to be taken into account. The Braves income being tied to the Battery is a big consideration. Not foot traffic, no moolah…

    There does come a price point where people will stop showing up. Sort of like me and keeping a 23 year old pick up going rather than buying a new one. Something I would do if not for the high personal Property tax which I refuse to pay as a matter of principle. I can be spiteful that way sometimes…

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  56. 103 Vox O'Reasoñ November 22, 2021 at 3:10 pm

    Jackson is a guy exposed to waivers when the Giants needed some 40-man spots to protect their prospects. (Kind of like López now will be exposed to make room for Jackson.) This is what MLBTR said about him when he was DFA’d:

    San Francisco’s decision to DFA Jackson comes as a bit of a surprise, considering the club just exercised a 2022 option on his services a few weeks back. Signed to a minors pact in January, the 34-year-old Jackson made the big league club in July and worked 21 2/3 frames down the stretch. He struck out a strong 31.1% of opposing hitters in that time, although he also handed out free passes at an alarming 13.3% clip.

    He should fit right in here. 😆

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  57. 106 Gil in Mechanicsville November 23, 2021 at 12:31 pm

    From Fanside:

    “You might ask about trading Rule 5 eligible players… that won’t happen. No team would accept such a player at this time of the year unless that player had been added to a 40-man list before the deadline… that’s because the player could still be taken away from them during the draft.”

    I guess that explains the Frazier thing, also why I doubt Freddie would be signed before December 5th when players can be returned to the DLs etc…

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  58. 107 Vox O'Reasoñ November 23, 2021 at 1:20 pm

    Frazier is independent from the Rule 5 stuff. He’s simply a much hyped guy that couldn’t stay out of the training room, and didn’t live up to the hype when on the field. He’ll hook up somewhere, but teams are simply waiting for him to pass through waivers so they can just sign him to a minor league FA deal and not eat up a roster spot.

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  59. 110 Gil in Mechanicsville November 23, 2021 at 1:28 pm

    Question for the group: Does anyone think Newcome will stick with the club this spring or will he be part of a trade package? He is now out of options so no more shuttle duty for him.

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    • 111 Vox O'Reasoñ November 23, 2021 at 2:52 pm

      Good question. I think he’s a prime candidate for a “change of scenery”. Kinda reminds me of Frazier without the injury time. He’s always had the good stuff, just gives up too many frees passes. If he can ever harness it he could earn a pretty good living as a lefty reliever. Maybe that’s why the organization has a hard time giving up on him.

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      • 112 Vox O'Reasoñ November 23, 2021 at 2:53 pm

        Speaking of which, I read last year that Newk really wants to start and not relieve. Maybe if he were to finally give up on starting and just concentrate on his good fastball and slider combo, he might turn the corner.

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  60. 113 Vox O'Reasoñ November 23, 2021 at 2:56 pm

    Say what?

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    • 114 Vox O'Reasoñ November 23, 2021 at 3:01 pm

      If you aren’t familiar with this guy and the hype around his posting, CBS Sports described him this way:

      He’s a five-time All-Star in Nippon Professional Baseball with a career .315/.415/.571 slash line who boasts a well-rounded game. In addition to posting above-average exit velocities, he’s walked more than he’s struck out in two of the past three years. (In 2020, the exception, he finished with one fewer walk than strikeout.) Suzuki also has a high-grade arm that should allow him to make an impact on defense. The one blemish in his game is that he’s not a particularly skilled base stealer. Teams will gladly overlook that.

      He is the 3rd highest rated OF in the Free Agent rankings behind only Starling Marte and Nick Castellanos. He’s a superstar in Japan and an elite hitter that compares statistically to Juan Soto.

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  61. 115 Vox O'Reasoñ November 23, 2021 at 8:25 pm

    Clint Frazier has officially been released by the Yankees and is now a Free Agent.

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  62. 117 Vox O'Reasoñ November 24, 2021 at 11:05 am

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  63. 119 Vox O'Reasoñ November 24, 2021 at 11:06 am

    Next week could shake out to be a pretty busy week in MLB. It could also be an extremely important week.

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  64. 120 Gil in Mechanicsville November 25, 2021 at 1:53 pm

    HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYONE, BRAVES COUNTRY HAS A LOT TO BE THANKFUL FOR THIS YEAR.

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  65. 121 Gil in Mechanicsville November 27, 2021 at 6:49 am

    The Mets shored up their line up signing a trio of 32 year old players yesterday. infielder Eduardo Escobar, center fielder Starling Marte and outfielder Mark Canha. Personally, Marte is one that I coveted but all three make the Mets a better team.

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    • 122 Vox O'Reasoñ November 27, 2021 at 11:19 am

      A better team? They have better players for sure. But “team” and “Mets” haven’t been a thing since the Gary Carter days. Buying a team never works either. I feel the worst for Marte. I think he’s a really good guy about to be submerged in a very toxic and selfish clubhouse. I can barber get over seeing those self absorbed divas giving their thumbs down to the fans. The absolute worst in professional sports outside of Lebron “Cry Baby” James.

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  66. 125 Vox O'Reasoñ November 27, 2021 at 11:25 am

    We have 4 more days until the current CBA expires and the inevitable lockout starts. My confidence in Freddie’s return will take a ding on that date. Alex needs to get that taken care of before the Hot Stove gets peed on. Right now he’s just bidding against himself. All bets are off when the official business ceases. At least there are rules now. Do you think the Yankees and Dodgers execs are going to just go to beach during the lockout? Freddie will have more voices in his ear than ever after Dec. 1.

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  67. 128 Gil in Mechanicsville November 28, 2021 at 5:21 pm

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  68. 129 Vox O'Reasoñ November 28, 2021 at 11:19 pm

    Ugh…

    Well, we got a backup catcher. Yippee!

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  69. 132 Vox O'Reasoñ November 29, 2021 at 8:18 am

    I’m not gonna lie… I’m gonna be on pins and needles all week. Alot of big names are dropping and alot of $$ are being committed. These players understand the uncertainty and are wanting to get broke off before the big freeze sets in. I won’t feel halfway comfortable until Freddie’s name is inked across the dotted line. And then I won’t feel too settled until we have enough OFs to complete a lineup. But we have to get the Freddie thing done. There is much to be done both in quality and quantity. I’m getting more tense by the day.

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  70. 133 Vox O'Reasoñ November 29, 2021 at 1:02 pm

    Holy cow. That’s… I have no words. “Irresponsible” comes to mind, but it’s not my money. I… it’s… never mind.

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  71. 135 Vox O'Reasoñ November 29, 2021 at 1:33 pm

    When I see Mets owner Steve Cohen toss his considerable wealth around like batting practice fastballs, it’s difficult not to understand the players’ position in the CBA negotiations.

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  72. 137 berigan2electricboogaloo November 29, 2021 at 2:03 pm

    Steve Cohen is only worth 16 billion, I sure hope he can afford these contracts 😛 Funny, MLB wanted the Mutts and Dodgers to be able to spend like drunken multi-millionaire sailors….they have gotten their wish

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  73. 138 berigan2electricboogaloo November 29, 2021 at 2:04 pm

    Mark Canha’s stats look like the kind of numbers a guy would get DFA’ed …oh wait, .249 over the last 4 seasons, but…he walks!!!!

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  74. 139 Vox O'Reasoñ November 29, 2021 at 2:58 pm

    Take that, Mets.

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  75. 140 Vox O'Reasoñ November 29, 2021 at 4:17 pm

    Marcell has served his time. Unless he’s traded, he’s back on the roster for Opening Day.

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  76. 141 Vox O'Reasoñ November 29, 2021 at 4:20 pm

    I’m hearing there is a statement from the Braves, but I cannot find it yet.

    Yet.

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  77. 142 Vox O'Reasoñ November 29, 2021 at 4:40 pm

    Wow.

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  78. 144 Vox O'Reasoñ November 29, 2021 at 4:44 pm

    Still no official statement from the Braves regarding Marcell Ozuna. I find this intriguing. I feel like if the team were to just move forward with Ozuna, then the statement would have been easy to release. The team is apparently taking some time to make said statement. I’m interested to see where they stand.

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  79. 145 Vox O'Reasoñ November 29, 2021 at 4:46 pm

    Well, there is a statement, but they did not tweet it from their official account. Also interesting…

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    • 146 Vox O'Reasoñ November 29, 2021 at 4:47 pm

      I find this “Official Statement” to be fairly generic and non-substantive. They really aren’t saying much.

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      • 147 Gil in Mechanicsville November 29, 2021 at 4:53 pm

        Question? How much in real money does 20 days pay equal?

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        • 148 carolinalady November 29, 2021 at 6:29 pm

          How much “learning and growing” does it take to know NOT to beat up someone, especially his wife? That goes to basic character or lack thereof. He’s a permanent zero as far as I’m concerned. And that is from someone who has experienced that abuse firsthand. One time. Followed immediately by divorce and termination of parental rights. End of story. Wanna play that game, you gonna pay the price. From me, anyway.

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  80. 149 Vox O'Reasoñ November 29, 2021 at 4:50 pm

    The good news is that we have enough OFs to actually play a game now. The bad news is that Ozuna would have to be one of them.

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  81. 152 Vox O'Reasoñ November 29, 2021 at 4:52 pm

    If the Braves had to play a game tonight, Marcell Ozuna would be your starting LF, Cristian Pache would be your starting CF, and Johan Camargo would be your starting 1B. And in all likelihood, Dansby would be your leadoff hitter,

    There is much work to be done, Alex.

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  82. 153 Gil in Mechanicsville November 29, 2021 at 4:54 pm

    Every time you see a big money contract signed, Freddie’s ask goes up.

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  83. 154 Gil in Mechanicsville November 29, 2021 at 4:56 pm

    Inflation is a bitch…

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  84. 155 Vox O'Reasoñ November 29, 2021 at 5:02 pm

    When I saw that Steve Cohen doled out, my initial reaction was “It’s difficult not to understand the players’ position in the CBA negotiations.”

    But when I see the dollar amounts being given to Starling Marte, Kevin Gausman, Robbie Ray, and Corey Seager, I’m wondering why in the #3!! would the MLBPA want to change anything? Business sure does look good for players these days. Really good.

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  85. 156 Vox O'Reasoñ November 29, 2021 at 5:05 pm

    For those who might wonder such things, like me, This tidbit of info from Tomahawk Take’s Jake Mastroianni:

    [Marcell Ozuna] is currently playing in the Dominican Winter League and is slashing .294/.351/.500 with a .851 OPS and 2 home runs in 9 games.

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  86. 157 Gil in Mechanicsville November 29, 2021 at 9:13 pm

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  87. 158 Vox O'Reasoñ November 30, 2021 at 7:44 am

    I like the signing of Kirby Yates. His projected return to action should coincide with the annual post-ASB talent search, so it could be as effective as a big mid-season trade. Plus, the former closer will be under contract next season while Will Smith’s deal is done after this year.

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    • 159 Vox O'Reasoñ November 30, 2021 at 7:52 am

      Once his deal becomes official, a corresponding move will have to be made. Of course, if the team can delay the formality until the lockout commences, then perhaps the official addition will come after teams are allowed to designate place players back on the 60-day DL. Speaking of corresponding moves, Yoan López was claimed off waivers by the Phils after Jay Jackson took his roster spot last week. And of course, if Alex can get off Liberty’s wallet and get Freddie back in the fold, a corresponding move will have to be made there also. Lots of moving parts.

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  88. 160 Vox O'Reasoñ November 30, 2021 at 7:54 am

    Just as a reminder, the current CBA expires tomorrow night at 11:59PM ET.

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  89. 161 Vox O'Reasoñ November 30, 2021 at 8:53 am

    Watching the numbers go up on the cost of middle-of-the-order hitters, 2 things immediately come to mind…

    6 yrs / $180M no longer seems like a landing place for Freddie and the Braves. I’d be surprised if the Dodgers haven’t already floated the idea of 6 yrs / $200M.

    Marcell Ozuna’s remaining 3 guaranteed years at $16M, $18M, and $18M might feel like a bargain to a team in need of a DH. Perhaps the newly realized certainty on his status (and cost) might be appealing to a team like Texas or Seattle. In fact, Seattle seems like a great place for him. Those folks up there don’t care anything about law and order anyway, so his recent foray through the justice system should be inconsequential to them.

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  90. 162 Vox O'Reasoñ November 30, 2021 at 9:38 am

    Okay. That’s nice. What about giving him a team now? Maybe start with Freddie?

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  91. 163 Vox O'Reasoñ November 30, 2021 at 11:19 am

    Lost in all the flurry of player movement, the anxiety over Freddie, and the focus on the CBA expiration, is the fact that the tender deadline was moved up to tonight at 8pm ET. The Braves are certain to non-tender some familiar names. Below are those due contract tenders with their arb estimates, in order of service time:

    Adam Duvall ($9.1M)
    Dansby Swanson ($10.1M)
    Luke Jackson ($3.8M)
    Orlando Arcia ($2.1M)
    Guillermo Heredia ($1.6M)
    Richard Rodriguez ($3.1M)
    Johan Camargo ($1.4M)
    AJ Minter ($2.1M)
    Max Fried ($7.1M)
    Mike Soroka ($2.8M)
    Sean Newcomb ($900K)
    Tyler Matzek ($1.5M)
    Austin Riley ($4.3M)

    If I had to guess, the leading candidates for non-tender are Heredia, Rodriguez, and Camargo. Newcomb might be spared simply because he shouldn’t cost much. There is a chance they non-tender Duvall and his high price tag, but I’d say it’s less than 50/50. There is also the chance they could non-tender Soroka since there has never been an instance of a player coming back from 2 Achilles tears. But I’m thinking he gets a shot at the comeback. The upside is too good to just let go over $2.8M. Plus, the amount is most likely insured in the event he can’t make it back anyway.

    And of course, those non-tendered will open up 40-man roster spots for Freddie and Kirby. 😉

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    • 164 Vox O'Reasoñ November 30, 2021 at 2:38 pm

      To be clear, the team does not have to actually offer an actual $ figure by 8pm. They simply have until 8pm to tender or non-tender a contract to players. The deadline to swap numbers with those that remain is Jan. 15 unless an accord is agreed upon before then… like Heredia did today.

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  92. 165 Vox O'Reasoñ November 30, 2021 at 2:28 pm

    He’ll be back.

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  93. 166 Vox O'Reasoñ November 30, 2021 at 4:41 pm

    Here is your utilityman for 2022-2023.

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  94. 167 Vox O'Reasoñ November 30, 2021 at 8:31 pm

    I’ll be surprised if he’s the only one.

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  95. 168 Vox O'Reasoñ November 30, 2021 at 8:50 pm

    And there it is. No surprises. JdlC never impressed.

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  96. 169 Vox O'Reasoñ November 30, 2021 at 8:52 pm

    Know what’s funny? Johan was listed as the #1 1B on Fangraphs’ Braves depth chart.

    We can’t have nuthin’.

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  97. 170 Vox O'Reasoñ December 1, 2021 at 7:24 am

    Here we are on Doomsday. Representatives from both sides of the labor issue met yesterday, but by all accounts it was pretty much fruitless. It would seem that MLB / MLBPA cannot come to any accord in a timeframe respectful of the fans, and thus we’ll be forced to endure a “lockout” by the owners and all the vitriol that will surely come with it. MLB will act as if this is purely procedural (BS) and MLBPA will act as if they will all starve over the winter and are all in danger of becoming homeless (BS). It’s getting harder and harder to care, about either side, yet they always seem to raw me right back in every season.

    For now.

    11:59pm ET. I can hear the clock ticking.

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  98. 171 Vox O'Reasoñ December 1, 2021 at 7:50 am

    Unless Alex can manage to quell the fears of Braves fans everywhere sometime within the next 16 1/2 hours, this is the 26-man “active” roster with whom we will roll through the winter…

    Lineup:
    Dansby Swanson, SS (R)
    Ozzie Albies, 2B (S)
    Austin Riley, 3B (R)
    Marcell Ozuna, DH (R)
    Adam Duvall, RF (R)
    Travis d’Arnaud, C (R)
    Greyson Jenista, 1B (L)
    Cristian Pache, CF (R)
    Guillermo Heredia, LF (R)

    Bench:
    Manny Piña, C (R)
    Orlando Arcia, Util (R)
    Travis Demeritte, OF (L)
    Drew Waters, OF (S)

    Rotation:
    Charlie Morton (R)
    Max Fried (L)
    Ian Anderson (R)
    Huascar Ynoa (R)
    Kyle Wright (R)

    Bullpen:
    Will Smith (L)
    Tyler Matzek (L)
    Luke Jackson (R)
    AJ Minter (L)
    Jacob Webb (R)
    Jay Jackson (R)
    Touki Toussaint (R)
    Sean Newcomb (L)

    I see red flags all over this lineup. First, our 1B isn’t even on the 40-man roster. I probably shouldn’t have included him. But who else? Not to mention he’s the only true LH hitter in the lineup. Want to know who the other candidates are? Well, that’d be the starting C or the starting RF, who is a Gold Glove OF.

    The bench? Piña is solid, but beyond that only Arcia is a semi-proven product.

    The rotation? I love 1-3, but Charlie is really a “?” at the moment, and Ynoa should be in the bullpen, period.

    The bullpen? It has Sean Newcomb in it. That’s all I need to say. Ynoa would be the better option there, but yo know how that goes.

    I do not labor under the false illusion that this lineup is finished, but it is what we will be staring at for a couple of months, because you know the warring parties won’t get any of their internal strife worked out before the 11th hour in February.

    And by that time, Freddie will be really comfortable in his SoCal home.

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  99. 173 Vox O'Reasoñ December 1, 2021 at 7:58 am

    December 6-9: Winter meetings scheduled to take place in Orlando, Florida.

    … one of my very favorite times of the year, stolen right out from under me.

    You can’t have nuthin’.

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  100. 174 Vox O'Reasoñ December 1, 2021 at 9:14 am

    So at least for the next 15 hours, give or take, I’ll still talk about personnel moves.

    I saw that the Tigers chose to non-tender LHP Matthew Boyd. Here’s another guy with tremendous ability when healthy. It seems like a very “Alex” move, much like Kirby Yates. Also like Yates, his name has been associated with the Braves in the past. Sees like a good target for a low risk / high payoff deal.

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  101. 175 Vox O'Reasoñ December 1, 2021 at 11:01 am

    Before we lock the door and close the shutters at midnight, I need my 1B back where he belongs, I need another veteran starting pitcher, and I need a LH or SH hitting CF.

    Is that to much to ask?

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  102. 176 Vox O'Reasoñ December 1, 2021 at 11:17 am

    How about this…

    Sign me Danny Duffy, trade for Bryan Reynolds or Cedric Mullins, and bring back Freddie. Then I can go into this forced hibernation with some sense of calm. Otherwise it’s gonna be a long winter.

    Reynolds or Mullins too lofty a goal? I’ll take Ketel Marte instead.

    I suppose Cristian Pache would at least give us GG caliber defense. We might not be able to afford anyone else once Freddie signs his return deal. And sadly that’s no exaggeration.

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  103. 177 Gil in Mechanicsville December 1, 2021 at 11:53 am

    lockouts are just a stupid as walkouts IMHO. Hey, I was always a big pro union guy except when I wasn’t. Actually, I was a big “I want to keep working” guy. The MLBPA is a super agent masquerading as a union.
    There members will cross a picket line in an instant.

    It is all about the top 1% of players. And that is all I am going to say about that.

    I don’t expect Freddie to take a cheap contract but at this point, we don’t really know who is gumming up the works nor do we know the parameters of the ask but I do know Ozuna and Donaldson both signed for amounts much lower than being cited in the media.

    I do expect the Braves will get maximum blowback from the fanbase if they allow Freddie to walk for anything less than $30 million a year. The only reason there wasn’t more outcry in letting Tom Glavine go to the Mets was many folks were mad at him over the strike in ’94.

    I do expect Freddie will give the Braves a Drop Dead date. At that point he will move permanently to California. He will not take the qualifying offer from the Braves, he has nothing left to prove.

    I don’t know if anyone else sees how many throwing errors he prevents but I do. I don’t know if that is even considered in runs saved but he catches anything in the neighborhood.

    I also understand the Braves business model. You cannot get trapped in a big contract which forces you to dump other stars because you can no longer afford them. I can’t see the Braves signing any $40 million contracts in the foreseeable future but don’t be surprised if that becomes a norm.

    There

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  104. 178 Gil in Mechanicsville December 1, 2021 at 11:55 am

    So, if the A’s gut their team, do you think Wash would still want the Manager job out there?

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  105. 179 Vox O'Reasoñ December 1, 2021 at 12:03 pm

    Gut feeling…

    We get it done with Freddie before midnight. 6 years / $190M with a team option on the 7th year and a semi-hefty buyout.

    I also think there will another signing before the midnight meltdown. But I don’t see anything long term or earth shattering. I see something like Michael Conforto on a 1-year deal. He has something to prove and the Braves would just as soon see him proving it for them instead of against them.

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  106. 180 Vox O'Reasoñ December 1, 2021 at 12:26 pm

    This is what I’d like to see, preferably before midnight, but certainly before Opening Day:

    Lineup:
    Michael Conforto, LF (L)
    Dansby Swanson, SS (R)
    Freddie Freeman, 1B (L)
    Austin Riley, 3B (R)
    Marcell Ozuna, DH (R)
    Adam Duvall, RF (R)
    Ozzie Albies, 2B (S)
    Travis d’Arnaud, C (R)
    Cristian Pache, CF (R)

    Bench:
    Manny Piña, C (R)
    Orlando Arcia, Util (R)
    Corey Dickerson, OF (L)
    Guillermo Heredia, OF (R)

    Rotation:
    Charlie Morton (R)
    Max Fried (L)
    Ian Anderson (R)
    Danny Duffy (L)
    Kyle Wright (R)

    Bullpen:
    Will Smith (L)
    Tyler Matzek (L)
    Luke Jackson (R)
    AJ Minter (L)
    Jacob Webb (R)
    Jay Jackson (R)
    Touki Toussaint (R)
    Huascar Ynoa (R)

    The batting order changes dramatically when Ronnie gets back. I do not care for it as is, but it will get by. Also, I am not sold on Pache being the CF, but I’m concerned about the payroll once Freddie sucks the bulk of the spending availability away.

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  107. 182 Vox O'Reasoñ December 1, 2021 at 12:31 pm

    If this has any credence, and Alex is balking, he should be sacked. This is a reasonable ask by Freddie, and it’s pretty dang friendly considering the soaring pricetags some of these cats are getting. It’s Freddie Freakin’ Freeman, for goodness sake.

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  108. 183 Vox O'Reasoñ December 1, 2021 at 12:40 pm

    My ideal Opening Day scenario…

    Lineup:
    Eddie Rosario, LF (L)
    Ketel Marte, CF (S)
    Freddie Freeman, 1B (L)
    Austin Riley, 3B (R)
    Marcell Ozuna, DH (R)
    Adam Duvall, RF (R)
    Ozzie Albies, 2B (S)
    Travis d’Arnaud, C (R)
    Dansby Swanson, SS (R)

    Bench:
    Manny Piña, C (R)
    Orlando Arcia, Util (R)
    Joc Peterson, OF (L)
    Guillermo Heredia, OF (R)

    Rotation:
    Charlie Morton (R)
    Max Fried (L)
    Sonny Gray (R)
    Ian Anderson (R)
    Kyle Wright (R)

    Bullpen:
    Will Smith (L)
    Tyler Matzek (L)
    Luke Jackson (R)
    AJ Minter (L)
    Jacob Webb (R)
    Jay Jackson (R)
    Touki Toussaint (R)
    Huascar Ynoa (R)

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  109. 184 Vox O'Reasoñ December 1, 2021 at 12:42 pm

    Define “major”. Any chance of avoiding the lockout? My gut says ‘no’. But I am hungry, so there’s that.

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  110. 185 Vox O'Reasoñ December 1, 2021 at 3:19 pm

    Yeah.

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    • 186 Vox O'Reasoñ December 1, 2021 at 3:42 pm

      Seven minutes.

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  111. 187 Gil in Mechanicsville December 1, 2021 at 4:26 pm

    If either side wanted resolution, they would get serious but this is just an episode of chicken being played by people who will lose absolutely nothing. Want people to get serious? Have the broadcast media ie Fox, ESPN etal tell them to come to a conclusion or face penalties for breech of contract.

    I spent many years being involved in union contract negotiations and have seen just about every dirty trick possible played by both union and management playing mind games. What I do know is that folks who want a solution can find middle ground PDQ.

    Something I have never forgot: A BA once told me he can get anybody to walk for a couple of weeks but when the bills come due and the wife is on your ass, it is tough to hold the line.

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  112. 188 Vox O'Reasoñ December 2, 2021 at 7:42 am

    First, it’s absolutely ridiculous that they could not get something hammered out prior to last night at midnight. They’ve had, what… 6 years to get it done? Its not like it snuck up on anybody.

    Second, the MLBPA needs to tell Max Scherzer to go home and shut up. He and his $140M have lost all credibility in any fight for “fairness”. I believe he has been treated quite “fairly”.

    Third, there is no reason for the lockout. I accomplishes nothing but ill feelings. I am now leaning toward the side of the players simply because the owners are a bunch of self absorbed jerks (and that’s not the word I wanted to use but for the presence of Jesus) acting in haste to post some sort of position of “we peed on them before they could pee on us”. Well, they all have peed on the fans, so they can all bite me. I’ll hang on to my very hard earned $$ and spend them on something other than MLB tickets and items. It’s obvious none of those self-righteous divas need any of it anyway.

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    • 189 Gil in Mechanicsville December 2, 2021 at 7:45 am

      Ditto, want to be fair Max, spread some of that cash around to other players…

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      • 190 Vox O'Reasoñ December 2, 2021 at 7:57 am

        Ever notice how people want to change the system after they have made their millions? cough cough Bernie?

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        • 191 Gil in Mechanicsville December 2, 2021 at 10:43 am

          yep, I have seen it many times, there is always one or two old guys who waited patiently until their turn and then some young buck can’t understand why he can’t jump ahead of the line. You cannot satisfy everyone. The old 80/20 rule… 80% of the problems come from 20% of the people and then it is whoever has the most bots to skew the system…

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  113. 193 Vox O'Reasoñ December 2, 2021 at 9:58 am

    Grrrr….

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  114. 195 Vox O'Reasoñ December 2, 2021 at 1:06 pm

    Just one of many unfortunate and unnecessary byproducts of this idiotic lockout…

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  115. 196 Vox O'Reasoñ December 2, 2021 at 1:37 pm

    What MLB says: I first want to thank you for your continued support of the great game of baseball. This past season, we were reminded of how the national pastime can bring us together and restore our hope despite the difficult challenges of a global pandemic.

    What MLPBA says: *”We remain determined to return to the field… and provide fans with the best version of the game we all love.”

    What I hear: “Take this, fans.” https://www.vectorkhazana.com/assets/images/products/Middle-Finger-5.jpg

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  116. 197 Vox O'Reasoñ December 2, 2021 at 2:45 pm

    So this afternoon, both Rob Manfred and Tony Clark held respective media shows to point fingers at each other while both proclaiming they want to get to the bargaining table and work out a new CBA as soon as possible… yet no meetings are currently scheduled.

    As for me, I’m checking out. When some adults can re-enter the room, I may come back too. As for now, if you’d like to know anything about the #1 ranked UGA Bulldogs, I’m here to talk.

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  117. 198 Vox O'Reasoñ December 2, 2021 at 3:02 pm

    The local HS baseball team will get started in February. The coach is one of my best friends and I’ll spend alot of time at both home and away games. The playoffs runs into late May. I’ll be perfectly fine for the next several months watching a beautiful sport in its purist form. And by then, I may not care one whit about returning to a bunch of self-important millionaire crybabies who play a freakin’ kids’ game for a living. They’ve managed to take the warm glow of a championship and pee on it like a spent campfire. They’ve taken the “normalcy” of stadiums with fans and tossed it out with last years’ cardboard cutout figures. And once they finally decide how to divide a very expensive and over-bloated pie, I hope they choke on every bite.

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  118. 200 Gil in Mechanicsville December 2, 2021 at 5:48 pm

    Yes, it di take a bit of the shine off the rose didn’t it.

    Camargo signed with the Phillies for 1.4 mil plus incentives.

    One has to wonder if organizations will open their facilities to their minor league players. That is, anyone not on a 40 man roster…

    Yep, I plan to watch the game this week end ( I guess that is when it is) between UGA and BAMA. My son asked me who I liked and I said GA but I will be honest about it. Ain’t nothing guaranteed in college ball, just ask Ohio State.

    I am still a VaTech supported and am glad they canned Fluntes… I knw, Beamer is a tough act to follow but Tech has ignored all the talent in VA to recruit. Yes, I know Va is not the hotbed that Florida and Georgia is but some pretty decent players have come locally.

    I had a good long conversation with my son this afternoon about the baseball lockout. He is a Tampa Bay fan but he said the prices are ridiculous but the ask for tickets for their NHL club is worse.

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  119. 201 Gil in Mechanicsville December 3, 2021 at 7:50 am

    Congratulations to Dansby and Mia. She said yes….

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  120. 202 Vox O'Reasoñ December 3, 2021 at 8:02 am

    Should we share information about MLB during a lockout if there is information to be consumed? I don’t want to be a jerk, but I also don’t want to prop up a group that is poking their collective thumb in my eye either. Am I over-reacting? I can take constructive criticism. I’m passionate about my team and the game. It feels personal when they point their index fingers at each other while pointing their middle fingers at the fans. But I can learn and grow and I believe I can be the adult in the room even when the children are making poor choices.

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  121. 203 Gil in Mechanicsville December 3, 2021 at 11:12 am

    Like everything else, take it with a grain of salt. find it useless to speculate on things right now. Per the lock out, no negotiations or signings can take place during the lock out… YEAH! RIGHT! Pretty much will be ignored by everyone. All will be done with a nod and a wink except for Atlanta who would be exile to the netheregions if suspected of doing so.

    SO, college football and basketball okay with me. No use talking politics because well, You know… religion is okay too but I think we are also pretty much aligned on that topic as well.

    I think the SEC championship game will pretty much decide who will be the next National Champion. Chime in if you think I’m wrong.

    So even if it is just about youth leagues, I am okay with that.

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  122. 204 Vox O'Reasoñ December 3, 2021 at 12:48 pm

    I know that the national (and local for that matter) has to come up with topics to talk about, especially those who do nothing but MLB. Thus, the rumors and speculations are still flowing aplenty.

    Including something enticing about Atlanta. Should we engage here?

    Why not?

    Yesterday was both a good and bad day for Dansby. Mia said “yes”, but did the Braves say “maybe not”? There is word out there from the Carlos Correa camp that ATL is one of the teams that has checked in on the All-Star SS. In some ways it makes sense. Dansby is in his last arb year and there was actually thought in some camps that the Braves might even non-tender him. I certainly don’t think that was ever considered, but I believe the mere fact that the Braves have not already tried to lock him up on a multi-year deal speaks volumes. The thought process continues with me wondering if perhaps the Braves would look to trade him to a team in need of a relatively steady and affordable SS (compared to Seager, Semien and Correa) to make room. I think it’s also important at this point to note that the Braves #8 prospect is SS Braden Shewmake, whom the Braves have not moved off of SS during his rise despite prevailing thought that they would. He is said to have “advanced skills” bot offensively and defensively, and should open the 2022 season in AAA. He’s a big fella at 6’4″/190 that puts barrel to ball on a consistent basis and is still gaining power with each new season. This is a kid that could probably play now if pressed into service. So maybe the Braves kick the tires on Correa knowing they still have Shewmake on the rise and Dansby on the roster. It’s not a bad position to be in.

    In my very humble opinion, Shewmake will probably be a UTIL in the Majors. He looks more that part to me than an everyday guy. SO it makes a little sense that the Braves could go knocking on the door of a guy like Correa. Maybe even Trevor Story. After all, if they would consider Correa, why wouldn’t Story be in the conversation as well?

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  123. 205 Vox O'Reasoñ December 3, 2021 at 1:03 pm

    One more thing since I seem to not be capable of going dark on the Braves…

    The video from Marcell Ozuna’s arrest has been released. I haven’t watched it because I don’t care to. But the reaction seems to be pretty tough. I’ve read in a couple of different places that any chance of Ozuna remaining with the Braves may have gone out the window with the release of that video.

    I just don’t see how the Braves can send him away and not lose in the process. He’s owed 3 more guaranteed years at $16M, $16M, and $18M respectively over the next 3 seasons, not to mention the buyout on the 4th. I doubt the Braves could get out of even half of that commitment unless they take a bad contract back in the process. There is nothing good surrounding this at all.

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  124. 206 Vox O'Reasoñ December 4, 2021 at 7:03 pm

    He was a big part of helping the Braves stay close until the mid-season reinforcements arrived.

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  125. 207 Vox O'Reasoñ December 6, 2021 at 10:05 am

    Excellent article on the Marcell Ozuna quagmire by one of my favorite writers Alan Carpenter of Tomahawk Take:

    https://tomahawktake.com/2021/12/05/if-the-atlanta-braves-are-forced-to-take-marcell-ozuna-back/

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  126. 208 Gil in Mechanicsville December 12, 2021 at 3:15 pm

    Michael Harris moves into the #1 prospect spot over Pache.

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    • 209 Vox O'Reasoñ December 13, 2021 at 8:04 am

      Yep, DO’B has pushed him to the top spot, and it’s hard to argue the logic. MLB still has him at #4. Baseball Prospectus and Baseball America each has a pay wall to their rankings, thus I have no idea how they shook it out.

      This much I do know. Cristian Pache has stalled in his offensive improvement, and he may never hit at the MLB level. Drew Waters can still likely be a pretty good player, but he strikes out a ton against AAA pitchers. What is he gonna do against ML’ers? Actually, I’ve seen a player or 2 actually hit better against ML’ers because the pitches are more around the plate. So who knows? If I had to guess at this moment, he’s probably be called up over Pache if a corner OF went down for any period of time. I’m anxious to see him in Spring.

      If I were ranking right now, I’d be hard pressed to rank Shae Langeliers any lower than #2, and he might be #1. His defense has been ML ready since he was drafted out of Baylor. His offense really took off in AA Mississippi last season. He’s one strong AAA season away from starting in ATL.

      In the end, the rankings really don’t matter too much. If I’m in the front office, I have 2 untouchables, being Harris and Langeliers (… and maybe Spencer Strider). Beyond that, my ears are open.

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  127. 210 Gil in Mechanicsville December 13, 2021 at 8:37 am

    I am wondering if all the MLB execs are spending extra time in the Caribbean during the lock out? I know I would. Do teams still look at trades? I see where Prig (sp)? signed to play in the Korean Baseball League.

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    • 212 Vox O'Reasoñ December 14, 2021 at 8:43 am

      It’s actually much more common for minor league teams to have separate ownership from their ML “parent”. The Braves were actually one of the very few teams to own all or most of their affiliated teams.

      Anyway, this should not affect anything from an organizational standpoint. Their affiliate contracts do not change while still in effect. The only thing I can foresee that would make any difference at all is if the new owners should move their respective teams to new homes once their respective leases are up. But I also believe they are all entrenched in long term deals and cozy homes. The possible exception here might be the Mississippi team, in Pearl. And I believe they are years away from that one being up. I know the organization would like them closer, like all of their others.

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  128. 214 Vox O'Reasoñ December 14, 2021 at 9:00 am

    By the way, this may fall more into “stuff” than Braves, but believe it or not, it has alot of each.

    Were y’all aware that Liberty Media’s CEO John Malone was recently involved in obtaining CNN?

    Here’s the actual facts of it. Malone is a member of the board and the leading shareholder in Discovery, Inc. and reportedly a “chief architect” in the recent merger of Discovery and CNN. TimeWarner spun off CNN among other properties to AT&T earlier this year, and AT&T merged some properties into Discovery.

    Back in May, AT&T announced a deal to combine its content unit WarnerMedia with Discovery. Under the agreement, AT&T will unwind its $85 billion acquisition of TimeWarner, which closed just about three years ago and form a new and separate media company with Discovery. It will bring together AT&T-owned CNN, HBO and the Warner Bros. studio and Discovery’s channels, including Animal Planet, TLC and its namesake Discovery Channel. At the time of the announcement, the parties had said they hoped to close the transaction in the middle of next year [2022]. (Matthew J. Belvedere, CNBC.com)

    John Malone has often been the spokesperson in all the media interviews regarding the merger and the future and CNN.

    Will this affect the Braves? Probably not. All these “assets” are just pieces on the big board game of business to these people. We all know that the Braves are operated as a wholly owned subsidiary with separate stock reporting and everything. So one entity should have no affect on another. But I find it interesting that the Braves and CNN are rotating back into the same orbit again after the Turner/Time-Warner days.

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    • 215 Gil in Mechanicsville December 14, 2021 at 12:23 pm

      My only question is this: Has CNN’s creditability been so damaged at this point as to make it a fools errant in purchasing it? I don’t mind a leftward slant, I just hate a leftward liar… I don’t see anyone out there being completely fair in their reporting, just don’t make it so blatantly obvious they are lying. It damages the country…

      PS. I miss baseball news.

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  129. 218 Vox O'Reasoñ December 14, 2021 at 12:39 pm

    PS. I miss baseball news.

    Me too!!!

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  130. 219 Vox O'Reasoñ December 16, 2021 at 7:28 am

    Eh… what’s the hurry, right? No urgency. Let’s just let time go by with no progress. No big deal. What’s time anyway?

    I’m growing to despise both sides.

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  131. 220 Gil in Mechanicsville December 16, 2021 at 8:18 am

    Hard to be sympathetic to a bunch making millions of dollars. Not like they are haggling over a 25 cents an hour raise.

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  132. 223 Vox O'Reasoñ December 23, 2021 at 1:43 pm

    Long time no post! Well, maybe I can bloviate on something…

    How about this..? If the season were to start today, what would the Braves lineup and roster look like? I’ll limit myself to just players on the current 40-man roster with an exception. The 40-man currently sits at 38, so I’m allowing myself 2 possible additions from the minors to fill a spot or 2. I’m also taking into account that Ronald Acuña, Jr. isn’t healthy yet, nor is Mike Soroka or the recently acquired Kirby Yates even though all 3 eat up a roster spot until they can be placed on the 60-day IL sometime after the childish pee-pee contest ceases.

    So hear we go…

    Lineup:
    Dansby Swanson, SS (R)
    Ozzie Albies, 2B (S)
    Auston Riley, 3B (R)
    Marcell Ozuna, DH (R)
    Adam Duvall, LF (R)
    Drew Waters, RF (S)
    Travis d’Arnaud, C (R)
    Greyson Jenista, 1B (L)
    Cristian Pache, CF (R)

    Bench:
    Manny Piña, C (R)
    Orlando Arcia, Util (R)
    Guillermo Heredia, OF (R)
    Travis Demeritte, OF (R)

    Rotation:
    Max Fried (L)
    Charlie Morton (R)
    Ian Anderson (R)
    Kyle Wright (R)
    Tucker Davidson (L)

    Bullpen:
    Will Smith (L)
    Tyler Matzek (L)
    Luke Jackson (R)
    AJ Minter (L)
    Jacob Webb (R)
    Jay Jackson (R)
    Touki Toussaint (R)
    Huascar Ynoa (R)

    Ugh. The glaring omission of Freddie Freeman aside, the lineup is way to RH heavy. I had to shoehorn in Greyson Jenista just to get a true LH bat in it. But honestly it might as well be Jenista. Who else is gonna play 1B? We don’t have one. And to be truthful, Jenista is an OF/1B who has come up as an OF mainly. This team isn’t built to not have Freddie on it. Period. Plus, 3 rookies? Yeah, right.

    And the bench… horrible. No LH bats!! Piña and Arcia I can live with. Heredia is a “get by” and Demeritte is on the 40-man… that’s the best thing I can say about him.

    The owners and union need to grow up and get back to business because there’s an awful lot of work to be done before the Braves can field a real team.

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  133. 224 Gil in Mechanicsville December 23, 2021 at 2:18 pm

    Thanks Vee, yep, I’m pretty sure Alec has looked at this and is thinking the same thing… UGH

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  134. 225 Gil in Mechanicsville December 24, 2021 at 8:34 pm

    Merry Christmas everyone…. I hope Santa was very good for all this year. I also hope Santa dumped a load of coal in the Commissioner’s office.

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  135. 226 carolinalady December 24, 2021 at 8:38 pm

    A blessed and happy Christmas to you and all whom you love!

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  136. 227 berigan2electricboogaloo December 25, 2021 at 5:20 pm

    Merry Christmas everyone! 🙂

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  137. 229 Gil in Mechanicsville December 29, 2021 at 6:26 pm

    https://www.rotoballer.com/player-news/kyle-seager-announces-his-retirement/981732?src=newstabs

    Well, I guess folks will have to cross Kyle Seager off their wish list for 2022

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  138. 231 Gil in Mechanicsville January 1, 2022 at 12:14 pm

    Congratulations Vee on your DAWGs redeem themselves against Michigan last night. A big rematch coming against BAMA. My Hokies have sucked since Beamer retired. Gone is the blue collar lunch box defense. Va Tech is playing more like Ga Tech these days…

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  139. 232 Vox O'Reasoñ January 5, 2022 at 7:59 am

    We’re 5 days into January, and there is absolutely nothing to write about. Oh, all the regular blogs and baseball sites are generating alot of forced content because they have to, but it’s much ado about nothing. Do we care how many former MLBers are playing in the KBO? You’d think it was majorly important.

    I suppose all the pieces about individual prospects isn’t all bad.

    I just miss getting to write about something. Anything.

    Sigh.

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  140. 234 Vox O'Reasoñ January 5, 2022 at 8:13 am

    This is interesting. I just saw this written in an article by Kris Willis over at Talking Chop: Atlanta currently has 15 position players on the 40-man roster including four catchers and seven outfielders.

    Can that be right? Let’s see…

    Ronald Acuña, Jr., Ozzie Albies, Austin Riley, Dansby Swanson, Travis d’Arnaud, Adam Duvall, Marcell Ozuna

    Manny Piña, William Contreras, Chadwick Tromp, Orlando Arcia, Guillermo Heredia, Cristian Pache, Drew Waters, Travis Demeritte

    Well, it’s right. And it’s worse than it looks on the surface.

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  141. 236 berigan2electricboogaloo January 6, 2022 at 12:10 pm

    Hi everyone! Remember me? 😉
    well…I sure hope I haven’t seemed rude of late…..it’s funny…..did ya know….the braves won the World Series??? First time I personally saw it happen….and , if I wanted to be a gloomy Gus (a realistic Gus?) it’s quite likely the last time I’ll see it happen. How many teams have repeated as champs over the last 20 years? No one.
    and, I know folks want to move on, but I’d rather bask in the victory I had nothing to do with than focus on the future, at least the very near future. The thought of a wife beater back in left, and his…forced to be teammates having to talk about him (can you imagine the tortured answers that will come out of their mouths?) Yuck…I know, it is what it is, but unless we hear about a drinking problem that he has overcome….did I say yuck already? I’d so much rather have Solar, than W.B. Have no idea if he’s even a possibility….So, we gonna have a DH this year? oh right….
    which leads to the millionaires and billionaires fighting over…what is it again? (are they even fighting right now? I am guessing the players are working out…at high school facilities )
    Just so stupid when the game is popular to go ___ it up with a strike. I mean, what is it about 5 weeks before pitchers as supposed to show up? Are they going to reach an agreement in say…May? start playing around the all-star game? sigh…..

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    • 237 Gil in Mechanicsville January 6, 2022 at 3:47 pm

      Hope you had a grand Christmas Ber.

      Actually 2021 makes two championships for the Braves I witnessed. Should have been more than that but for some reason the Braves just couldn’t get past Go for most of the ’90s. It was an exciting time however.

      The lock out is just plain stupid if you ask me. I don’t think anyone but the owners themselves thought it to be a good idea. I guess they are saving tons of pennies by not having their facilities open for re-hab.

      Manfred must have a big problem with self confidence if y\he can’t stand a little criticism. ie Rosenthal

      Megalomaniacs tend to be bent that way.

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    • 238 Vox O'Reasoñ January 6, 2022 at 4:04 pm

      I know folks want to move on, but I’d rather bask in the victory I had nothing to do with than focus on the future

      Well, why not bask in the now since there doesn’t appear to be any immediate future? I mean… what else is there to do? “Hey, did you hear that Ben Lively signed a minor league deal with the Reds? And how about that Ray Montgomery landing his dream gig as bench coach of the Angels? And then there’s Gregory Polanco getting broke off by the Yomiuri Giants of Japan’s Nippon Professional Baseball. Who saw that coming, huh? That was more surprising than Robert Stock signing With KBO’s Doosan Bears!”

      Yeah… r-i-g-h-t…

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  142. 239 Vox O'Reasoñ January 6, 2022 at 4:08 pm

    Time to end that subscription.

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  143. 242 Gil in Mechanicsville January 7, 2022 at 8:41 am

    And the deed is done, also told them why….

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  144. 243 Gil in Mechanicsville January 7, 2022 at 8:49 am

    And more stuff…. Yesterday Ms Josie and I went to our local sports bar for lunch prior to picking up our groceries. (Hey, old people have to find fun where ever they can)… Anyhoo, on the TV they were showing BattleBots. Folks, it was more fun that any other thing we have seen on TV in years. We were laughing and joking about it was even better quality entertainment than a bug zapper and a six pack. It was on the Discovery Channel on DirecTV. Not sure what other channels might carry it.

    For a good time give it a go. It is the 60s rockem sockem robots on steroids… Better than boxing, MMA, and wrestling all put together.

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  145. 245 Vox O'Reasoñ January 7, 2022 at 1:16 pm

    WAIT!! There actually is some relevant baseball news to talk about!

    The International Signing Period is set to open up on January 15, and that operates outside of the MLBPA and thus has a green light to happen as scheduled. And guess what… for the first time in a number of years the Braves will go into it with NO PENALTIES. That’s right, we are a full go!

    Last year the Braves spent their entire truncated $1.5M budget on one of the top int’l prospects in SS Ambioris Tavarez, a now 17-year-old DR prospect that some had rated as the #1 int’l prospect last year. He’s a big boy at 6’2″ / 175 lbs. with plenty of room to grow. Will he stick at SS? He has the glove skills to do so, but could easily grow into more of a corner guy or even OF. He was drafted more for his RH bat, for which it is said:

    Tavarez has excellent bat speed based on super quick wrists. His hands stay inside and he shows an ability to work inside out, allowing him to work all fields with impact contact. He also shows a present feel to clear his lower half with explosiveness and lift with solid post-contact extension. His present explosiveness and feel to tap into power provides an outstanding framework to develop into a solid power hitter with production to all fields. [David Lee, BravesProspects.com]

    But… on to this year. It’s reported the Braves will sign SS Diego Benitez (ranked 7th according to Baseball America), out of Venezuela, and OF Douglas Glod (ranked 31st), also from Venezuela. NOTE: Baseball America, or what it’s worth, ranks these youngsters by the amount of the signing bonus they are expected to receive.

    All that said, here is the poop on these players courtesy of Tomahawk Take’s Alan Carpenter:

    Benitez is a 6-footer who projects (right now) to be a possible third baseman in the future. He is said to look quite smooth with his movement in the field and with the bat. It appears he has a good foundation with power to the gaps now and the chance for more later with an above-average hit tool.

    Glod was the captain of the Venezuelan team in 2019 as an under-15 player. Baseball America doesn’t seem to believe that he’s going to grow much more beyond his current 5’10″/169 stature, but might become a corner outfielder in time even as he’s skilled enough to defend from the center field position now. A line-drive hitter, it seems to be the belief of the scouts that he could be a hit-for-average guy who can nonetheless scald the ball well.

    And with a full $4.75M budget, there should be some additional lesser signings as well.

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  146. 246 berigan2electricboogaloo January 7, 2022 at 2:51 pm

    I know folks want to move on, but I’d rather bask in the victory I had nothing to do with than focus on the future

    Well, why not bask in the now since there doesn’t appear to be any immediate future? I mean… what else is there to do?

    the past is more fun, nostalgia is where it’s at daddy-O and you know it! 😉

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  147. 248 Vox O'Reasoñ January 10, 2022 at 1:41 pm

    Relevant stuff:

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  148. 249 Vox O'Reasoñ January 11, 2022 at 8:24 am

    More relevant stuff:

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  149. 250 Gil in Mechanicsville January 11, 2022 at 8:24 am

    Congrats Vee, heck of a game last night by the DAWGS

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  150. 252 Gil in Mechanicsville January 11, 2022 at 9:03 am

    Yep, I think Bama has a heck of a football program, it wasn’t like they knocked off some weak sister. I am glad UGA got a chance at redemption after the shellacking they took in the SEC Championship game. I was impressed by the DAWGs on both sides of the ball. I am also glad the refs didn’t play a huge part in the game.

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  151. 253 Gil in Mechanicsville January 11, 2022 at 9:10 am

    Just another comment about stuff. I fell out of love with Pro football several years ago. It started when the Redskins franchise was sold. I had drifted tp different teams until the whole Kaepernick debacle.

    On a different note, I always thought Bowie Kuhn was a #1 smuck but Manfred has since moved into the forefront IMHO.

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  152. 254 Vox O'Reasoñ January 11, 2022 at 10:56 am

    Published reports say the league is set to present their new proposal to the union in a couple of weeks.

    In a couple of weeks.

    Take your time, guys. No hurry. 🙄

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  153. 255 Vox O'Reasoñ January 11, 2022 at 1:58 pm

    Well, the good Lord giveth, and He taketh away.

    A few weeks after a glorious World Series title, and now after a glorious NCAA National Championship, I received notice that the streaming service I use that carries Bally Sports South and Bally Sports Southeast, is discontinuing their service. I may not be able to find anything in my service area that carries the Braves TV provider.. Seriously?

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  154. 259 Vox O'Reasoñ January 11, 2022 at 6:29 pm

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  155. 260 Vox O'Reasoñ January 12, 2022 at 7:26 am

    According to Bob Nightengale, the 2 sides are schedule to meet tomorrow (Thursday), and the topic will be salary structure only. They reportedly will not bring service time or other areas of contention to the table. But at least there’s something and maybe there will be a step taken. Heck, the fact they are actually meeting is a step.

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  156. 261 Vox O'Reasoñ January 12, 2022 at 7:34 am

    On the TV front, I have found one service in my area that will allow me to see Bally Sports South and Bally Sports South. I ditched the old service yesterday and picked up DirecTV Stream.

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  157. 264 Vox O'Reasoñ January 13, 2022 at 10:42 am

    I worked really hard on a big post with names and numbers and such. I lost it.

    Never mind.

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    • 265 Gil in Mechanicsville January 13, 2022 at 11:11 am

      Yes Vee, some of my best work has been lost to cyberspace. I have found it to really hard to capture the same intensity the second time around.

      I don’t know what Manfred has tried to accomplish with the lock out but he has not made many friends with the fans. You can’t bluff the guys who
      A: Have millions of dollars in the bank or
      B: Have nothing to really lose to begin with.

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      • 266 Vox O'Reasoñ January 13, 2022 at 2:13 pm

        Yep. On one hand, you have the owners not wanting to really change anything because they are making obscene profits the way things currently stand. Their biggest initiative is to add additional layers of playoffs, and thus increase their already sizeable seizure. On the other hand, the players want more money paid to minor leaguers, more money paid to younger major leaguers, and greater access to free agency… to facilitate more money paid to older major leaguers. In other words, they just want more of the money directed to them instead of deposited in the owners’ bulging bank accounts.

        So the owners want more money from the consumers and the players want more money from the owners. And both sides are asking for understanding from you and me who have to eat baloney for a week just to be able to afford to take our families out to a stupid game.

        I don’t understand. At all. I won’t understand. We who make it possible for them to have a league at all will never understand because we simply cannot relate. And in all honesty, I could not possibly care less how they divide up their prodigious profits. I’m just tired of being the one crippled by their collective cupidity.

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  158. 267 Vox O'Reasoñ January 13, 2022 at 2:30 pm

    I am placing this link here for your viewing pleasure. I ask only one thing… you watch with an open mind. I’m not saying I agree or disagree. In fact, I am placing it here for the lone purpose of generating conversation since there’s very little else to talk about. I will add that I listen to this guy’s channel frequently and that he typically has a good grasp on the game and on the the league. He also usually shows his Toronto homerism. And that’s OK. I show my ATL homerism quite proudly.

    But I digress…

    Here’s the link. Don’t shoot the messenger: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EHnv-ZKlPk&t=312s

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    • 268 Gil in Mechanicsville January 15, 2022 at 11:23 am

      Vee, I am not resigned to the fact that Freddie is gone but I do know it is a real possibility the Braves won’t spend the money it would take to keep him. I love the kid but I know it all comes down to money in the end.

      The Phillies have both Realmuto and Harper on their roster but still no championship.

      What we don’t know is what the emotional impact would be to the team if Freeman is allowed to walk? I suspect it won’t be a positive, especially if Ozuna is allowed to stay.

      Baseball is littered with stories of how franchises have self destructed over bad roster moves. We also have seen what can happen when a roster gets a little too long in the tooth. Know just how long to keep a player has always been the 64 thousand dollar question. Some great players who faded fast? Furcal, Andruw Jones, John Smoltz. The thing about Freddie is he relative good health. It is not like he has been shown to be fragile.

      I love Acuna but he is not the leader of this team. I don’t have any idea of who would fill that role for the Braves if Fab Five were to leave. Anyone?? Anyone???

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  159. 270 Vox O'Reasoñ January 16, 2022 at 11:50 am

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  160. 271 berigan2electricboogaloo January 18, 2022 at 11:59 am

    V, that link you posted on the 14th isn’t working

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    • 272 Vox O'Reasoñ January 18, 2022 at 2:28 pm

      That’s probably a good thing. It’s pretty maddening. Basically it says that after 6 weeks of doing nothing, MLB presented a lame proposal. MLBPA said thanks but no thanks, we’ll bring you our offer some time in the future. That whole process took about an hour. Makes me sick to regurgitate it.

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  161. 273 Gil in Mechanicsville January 18, 2022 at 12:42 pm

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  162. 275 Vox O'Reasoñ January 19, 2022 at 1:15 pm

    We better all hope and pray that Pache starts to live up to some of the familiar hype that is beginning to grow sour on the vine… both for himself and for the Braves. If the team backs up the armored truck to Freddie’s house like they seem to be headed toward doing, there won’t be much green left to spread around to anyone else. The team might just need that rookie contract to make the team.

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  163. 276 Gil in Mechanicsville January 19, 2022 at 3:11 pm

    I have a question: ? Do professional baseball players pay state taxes based on where they live, where they play their games or where the team’s franchise is located? Just curious ….

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    • 277 Vox O'Reasoñ January 20, 2022 at 9:17 am

      This is commonly referred to as the “Jock Tax”, as explained by Forbes:

      Athletes file taxes not only in their home state but also in every state—and some cities—in which they play. Not every state uses the same calculation to determine what portion of an athlete’s income to tax, and some use different calculations based on the sport. For example, Pennsylvania taxes baseball, basketball and hockey players on the ratio games in the state over total games played, including pre- and postseason, but they tax football players based on days worked in the state over total days worked. Michigan uses the same method but excludes the preseason. Most other states use the days worked method. Arizona uses that method but excludes days worked in the pre-season (otherwise MLB would be shopping for a new spring training home).

      The most important issue for an athlete is domicile. This is where a person lives and plans on living into the future. A person can have only one domicile at a given time, and it remains that place until domicile is established somewhere else. Establishing domicile in a low- or no-tax state can save an athlete thousands in taxes by sheltering their endorsement and investment income in a lower tax jurisdiction than where their team is located. Establishing domicile entails acquiring a permanent residence, be it a 12-month apartment lease or buying a house, getting a driver’s license, voter registration and doing other things that show a connection to that location like joining a religious organization or donating to a local charity. But completing all of these tasks is not enough. The athlete must also spend their offseason at their domicile home.

      This sometimes is not enough to shelter their income due to statutory residency rules. Many states consider a person a statutory resident if they spend 183 days in the state in a given year, regardless of their other domicile. Being statutory resident means that the person must report all income on that state’s tax return. For some states, any part of a day is considered a full day. In New York, if a person’s plane leaves from JFK at 12:01am, that entire day counts as a New York day. It is important to know how many days an athlete is spending in their team’s state if they are trying to claim domicile/residency elsewhere.

      There is a lot more detail as well, all described here: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2017/04/18/income-taxes-for-pro-athletes-are-reminder-of-how-complicated-u-s-tax-code/?sh=66c4ed45411e

      Probably alot more than you were really asking for, but hey… what else is there to talk about?

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      • 278 Gil in Mechanicsville January 20, 2022 at 2:08 pm

        It would be a selling point to me when it came to signing with a team. How much of a difference would it be say signing for $10 million in Florida or Texas vs $10 million in New York or California… Of course that is why pros hire accountants but also how guy get ripped off by said accountants. I would want an agent who was well versed in such things to advise me. However, they likely only look at the gross amount to charge their percentages. i.e. they really don’t care what a player’s net is… I would make a difference to me…

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  164. 279 Vox O'Reasoñ January 20, 2022 at 1:07 pm

    Interesting the differences. I like the inclusion of Strider. He should be considered “untouchable”. Note that Muller is ranked ahead of Harris. He actually is that good. I look for him to make an impact on the big league Braves in 2022, assuming there is a 2022.

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  165. 280 berigan2electricboogaloo January 21, 2022 at 11:36 am

    “We better all hope and pray that Pache starts to live up to some of the familiar hype that is beginning to grow sour on the vine”
    V, I DO get the feeling, but in defense of the ….looks up age, 23 year old….2020 was a wasted year, played just 23 games in the majors.(I think I just read that) no minor league games. 115 games total at AAA…
    I don’t know…liked the looks of the outfield of the team that you know, won the W.S. Adding Acuna at some point…oh well….kill the golden goose MLB, it will all come back in a decade or 2, totally worth it

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  166. 282 Vox O'Reasoñ January 24, 2022 at 9:51 am

    I think the MLBPA is supposed to meet face-to-face today with MLB. I didn’t realize their first meeting last week we via Zoom. Such commitment. Anyway, I expect a similar outcome today as last week. MLB will not like it and leave to go prepare another counter-offer.

    Here’s how this is playing out. It’s actually a reflection of today’s society. People do not listen to each other anymore. When two people talk, the person who should be listening is too busy thinking about how they are going to respond to actually hear what the speaking party is saying. These negotiations are likely just the same. Each side is so dug in on pushing their own agenda that they can’t objectively measure what the other side is offering.

    Kinda like our government, but less threatening to our way of life.

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    • 283 Vox O'Reasoñ January 24, 2022 at 9:53 am

      Reality: Each side has legitimate concerns and each side has good ideas. If they would actually seek to work together they could come up with an agreement that benefits both sides. But tribalism is a trait of society in 2022. Compromise is extinct. The religion of self is the new standard.

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  167. 284 Vox O'Reasoñ January 24, 2022 at 6:07 pm

    This is actually notable. It is my understanding that the MLBPA has backed off their demands for a faster path to Free Agency, which was a non-starter for the league. Perhaps we’ll see the league now back off in one or more of their own hardline stances and get some real movement toward an accord. All in all, I’d have to say today’s news is pretty positive.

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  168. 285 Vox O'Reasoñ January 24, 2022 at 6:10 pm

    I believe the MLBPA now wants players to reach arb at 2 years but keep the current FA path as is. I can live with that. The league needs to make some concessions toward the union’s concerns over teams not competing, or rather not spending to compete. I get that too. That’s where real movement will begin.

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  169. 286 Vox O'Reasoñ January 25, 2022 at 8:34 am

    Speaking of reality…

    IMO, the Freddie Freeman situation is not the most pressing issue this team faces going into 2022. In all honesty, there are ways to address 1B other than Freddie even if we don’t want to admit it. There are answers even if some are not as popular as others. We know that Alex did reach out to Oakland regarding Matt Olson prior to the lockout. That could certainly just be due diligence, but in a lockout world, its big news.

    But that’s NOT the team’s most pressing issue.

    Marcell Ozuna is.

    Ozuna is still owed the balance of the 4 yr / $65M deal he signed with the Braves prior to last season and prior to the domestic issues that turned our big money Free Agent into a team albatross. Yes, I agree that as long as he completes his required services handed down by the court in his particular legal case, he has “paid his debt” and should be able to move on. But it’s really not that simple, is it? It’s just not that black and white. Regardless of his legal status, there will be a cloud that follows him wherever he goes. And that cloud is darker in Atlanta where the deed went down. The wound is fresh here, and this fan doesn’t see it healing very easily especially in a time of #metoo. It’s a personnel decision that is especially difficult for Alex given the annual salary restraints the team faces. It doesn’t take a rocket surgeon to understand that the team cannot afford to just eat the remainder of Ozuna’s salary to simply release him. Even if a trade partner could be dug up, it would take a pretty good prospect attached to even pique anyone’s interest, and would also require paying a portion of the remaining $$ amount of his Ozuna’s deal. Basically, the better the prospect, the less the percentage must be paid. But unless Alex has a rabbit up his sleeve, some significant amount will still become dead money.

    And thus the great debate. You have to pay the man. Can you overlook it all and just let him earn his paychecks?

    For those keeping up with the baseball side of it, Ozuna appears to be back on top of his game. His Dominican Winter League team just won their league championship and Ozuna was a big part of their success. In fact, he was the championship series MVP. MLBTR: In the final game, he was 2-3 with a 3-run homer and a walk. Overall during the series he hit .333 with 3 home runs, 6 runs scored, and 8 RBI as part of his Series Finale MVP performance. And over 21 regular season games, he slashed .317/.389/.519 with 4 HR, 10 BBs, and 13 Ks. There is nothing wrong with his bat.

    So just when you start to think, maybe if he can quietly step back into the lineup and keep his nose clean, we can make it work for 3 more years, this pops up…

    Yes, I hope that Alex can take care of Freddie Freeman as soon as this lockout crap is over. But that will be a walk in the park compared to solving the Marcell Ozuna puzzle. This one has no good answers. None.

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