#173: Brett Cumberland

Gil ‘N
Mechanicsville

Another of the Braves promising prospects is 22 year old Brett Cumberland, a switch hitting catching prospect out of California. Cumberland was chosen by the Braves in the June 2016 Armature Draft as number 76 over-all. He was tapped in the “B” competitive compensation round. Cumberland had played for the California Golden Bears of the Pac 12 and was the Pac 12 Player of the Year in 2016 as a sophomore.

After inking a pro contract with a signing bonus of 1.5 million dollars, he was assigned to Atlanta’s Appalachian League affiliate, in Danville Virginia. While appearing in 45 games the rookie league, he had 189 plate appearances and 162 official at bats. he amassed 35 hits including 11 doubles and 3 home runs. He had 14 walks and 49 strike outs. His slash line was .216 batting average/.317 on base percentage/ .340 slugging percentage/ on base plus slugging of .657. He also hit into 4 double plays and hit by pitch 11 times. Not exactly star studded numbers but not unusual for a rookie.

In 2017 he was posted to lower A Rome of the Southern League to begin his season and appeared in 55 games. In 236 plate appearances he had 175 official at bats. He stroked 46 hits, 15 doubles, 1 triple and 10 home runs. He drove in 48 runs and had one stolen base. He had 61 strike outs and 31 walks. He was also hit by pitch 25 times and only hit into 1 double play. In mid season he was promoted to Advance A Florida Fire Frogs in Florida State League. In 56 games he put up 216 plate appearance and 182 at bats. he had 49 hits, 12 doubles, 1 triple and 1 home run. He had 18 walks and 62 strikeouts. His slash line was .269/.384/.363 and an OPS of .747. He hit into 5 DPs. He was also hit by pitch 16 times.

it should be noted that in 112 games played in A ball in 2017 he was used as the designated hitter in 62 games and caught in 50 games as he split time at the position with Tanner Murphy. Cumberland only threw out 17 of 60 would be base stealers for a 22% success rate. He also had 14 passed balls in his two seasons in minor league ball.

This fall, the 5′-11″ 205 pound catcher was placed with the Melbourne Aces of the Australian Baseball Association. Cumberland has appeared as both a catcher and as a right fielder. It is as a outfielder I believe will be his eventual landing spot if he makes it to the show. He is still two to three years away from the Show but as he fine tunes his game, he has the potential to be a major league ball player.

 

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138 Responses to “#173: Brett Cumberland”


  1. 1 Carolina Lady January 2, 2018 at 5:15 pm

    Hope this kid settles in and becomes an asset to the Braves. Good analysis, Gil! Thanks!

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  2. 2 Gil in Mechanicsville January 2, 2018 at 6:17 pm

    Thanks Boss for trying to make me look good… 🙂

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  3. 3 Vox O'Reason January 3, 2018 at 9:37 am

    If his college game can just transcend to the professional game…

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  4. 4 Gil in Mechanicsville January 3, 2018 at 9:54 am

    That is so true of so many draft picks Vee, playing everyday as opposed to 3 times a week. Staying focused when you have no money, okay, Brett got a nice signing bonus but most don’t. Then you get the flip side of having to stay hungry, cough (Hector Olivera) who got a $50MM signing bonus from the Dodgers.

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  5. 5 Gil in Mechanicsville January 3, 2018 at 10:02 am

    The kid who has really taken off in Australia has been Tyler Neslony. He is putting up numbers similar to what he did at high A Florida. Sometimes it takes a while for kids to develop. Some never do and some are just messed up by a meddlesome coach who try to “fix” a swing.

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  6. 6 Gil in Mechanicsville January 3, 2018 at 10:55 am

    I am of a mind that “pitch recognition” may be more important than “swing plane”. I suppose that is why so much time is spent on trying to learn a pitcher’s “tells” . It could also explain why some can’t miss prospects never make it in the Show. To me, it is all about a pitcher’s deception and a hitter’s ability to decipher said deception.

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  7. 7 Carolina Lady January 3, 2018 at 11:01 am

    That makes me think of the genius of Greg Maddux. Players said that even when they KNEW what was coming, they still couldn’t hit it. Sure wish there was a Greg jr somewhere for us.

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  8. 8 Vox O'Reason January 3, 2018 at 11:40 am

    That is so true of so many draft picks Vee, playing everyday as opposed to 3 times a week. Staying focused when you have no money

    And adjusting from an aluminum bat to wood.

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  9. 9 Vox O'Reason January 3, 2018 at 12:17 pm

    So here we sit on January 3. I believe, as some local beat writers, that Thoppy has another move or 2 in him, one of which might be somewhat significant. But as things stand, the 2018 version of this team looks to be as shown below. Keep in mind that some bullpen jobs will need to be one. Scott Kazmir will have to prove to be healthy. 5th starter and bench spots must be won. But with the roster as it currently stands, this looks to be our 25 man roster going into 2018:

    Rotation:
    Julio Teheran (R)
    Mike Folty (R)
    Luis Gohara (L)
    Brandon McCarthy (R)
    Scott Kazmir (L)/Sean Newcomb (L)/Max Fried (L)/Lucas Sims (R)

    Lineup:
    Ender Enciarte, CF (L)
    Ozzie Albies, 2B (S)
    Freddie Freeman, 1B (L)
    Tyler Flowers, C (R)
    Nick Markakis, RF (L)
    Lane Adams/Tucker Preston, LF (R/L)
    Johan Gohara, 3B (S)
    Dansby Swanson, SS (R)

    Bench:
    Kurt Suzuki, C (R)
    Tucker Preston/Lane Adams (L/R)
    Charlie Culberson, IF (R)
    Rio Ruiz, 3B/1B (L) or Danny Santana, OF (S)

    Bullpen:
    Arodys Vizcaino, Cl
    AJ Minter, L
    Jose Ramirez, R
    Dan Winkler, R
    Sam Freeman, L
    Anyelo Gomez, R
    Josh Ravin, R
    Chase Whitley, R

    Personally, there is alot about this 25 man roster that I don’t like. I don’t like the rotation. I don’t like the lineup. I don’t like the bench. I think I might could live with the bullpen, but it isn’t what I’d do with it.

    I just simply don’t like what we have. I think this is a .500 roster at best. Here is what I’d do:

    Rotation:
    Julio Teheran, (R)
    Mike Folty (R)
    Luis Gohara (L)
    Brandon McCarthy (R)
    Sean Newcomb (L)/Max Fried (L)

    I’m trading Kazmir because I don’t want him gumming up my young rotation. I’ll live or die with my youngsters in 2018. I’m letting Newcomb and Fried battle for the 5th spot with the “loser” staying stretched out at AAA. You never know… I might trade McCarthy in July.

    Lineup:
    Ender Enciarte, CF (L)
    Ozzie Albies, 2B (S)
    Freddie Freeman, 1B (L)
    Tyler Flowers, C (R)
    Nick Markakis, LF (L)
    acquisition, 3B
    Ronald Acuna, RF (R)
    Dansby Swanson, SS (R)

    I need a real 3B. This lineup isn’t far from being good. I don’t want a “get by” in an important offensive position. And i really want Johan on my bench. The bench was actually a strength last year. Why mess it up? Speaking of which…

    Bench:
    Kurt Suzuki, C (R)
    Johan Gohara, IF (S)
    Lane Adams, OF (R)
    Charlie Culberson, IF (R)

    Not sure if we need both Camargo and Culberson, but I think I’m OK with it since Johan plays all over the place. Danny Santana could sneak in. I’d like another TBD candidate to battle in spring, too. Rio?

    Bullpen:
    Arodys Vizcaino, Cl
    AJ Minter, L
    Jose Ramirez, R
    Dan Winkler, R
    Sam Freeman, L
    Anyelo Gomez, R
    Lucas Sims, R
    Scott Kazmir, L

    I still believe Sims is best utilized in short bursts. and I think he could excel that way. If Kazmir is traded, you can slot in either Chase Whitley or Josh Ravin.

    This is still not really a true contending roster, but I think it’s better than the first one, especially if we can get some impact at 3B. And speaking of which, wouldn’t it be something if Rio showed up this year and seized the job? Nobody expects it, but it’s those kind of surprises that can turn a ho-hum team into something exciting.

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  10. 10 Vox O'Reason January 3, 2018 at 12:40 pm

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  11. 11 Vox O'Reason January 4, 2018 at 8:39 am

    Alot of chatter on this last night. Apparently when talks resumed, the Braves indeed wanted to talk about Realmuto also.

    Personally I can’t see them giving up the prospects it would take to acquire both. I really can’t. But their interest in Yelich is genuine.

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  12. 12 Gil in Mechanicsville January 4, 2018 at 8:54 am

    So, the difference between prospects and proven players is pretty wide. I agree, I don’t see the Braves literally selling the farm but they have the depth to do it.

    The Marlins know they have a couple of valuable commodities and they are going to do what they think is best for the Marlins.

    Still, I would love to have both Realmuto and Yelich but if I were to have my druthers, I’d take which ever one best helps the Braves long term. That would be a real catcher.

    I’ll bet Jeter has a pretty big ask for both players, the trick is for the Braves to still have enough left to secure their own future.

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  13. 13 Gil in Mechanicsville January 4, 2018 at 8:55 am

    Losing all those prospects are really hurting the Braves right now.

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  14. 14 Vox O'Reason January 4, 2018 at 9:04 am

    Of course it’s all speculation at this point, but you can pretty much count on a Yelich deal taking at least 2 of our top pitching prospects, probably a 3rd arm, a young position prospect or 2, and probably an exchange of Markakis $11M commitment for Prado’s $28.5M commitment.

    Imagine Max Fried, Ian Anderson, Touki Toussaint, Johan Camargo and probably another position prospect (Demerritte? Pache?), plus the exchange of Markakis and Prado money.

    Here’s a wild-card scenario for you, though. If the Braves were willing to take on a significant financial obligation, basically MIA’s “Kemp”, they might save a few arms, or even get Realmuto tossed in.

    I’m talking about injury plagued LHP Wei-Yin Chen. He was limited to just 9 games last season because of elbow discomfort, is due $18M, $20M and $22M the next 3 seasons, with a $16M player option for 2021 that vests if he has 180 IP in 2020 or 360 IP in 2019 and 2020 combined. or if he is not on the disabled list at the end of the 2020 season and is healthy for 2021 spring training. Chen has been considered untradable… kind of like Kemp. AA proved to be creative in that instance, though. What if he agreed to take on that obligation in the deal?

    I’m not saying we should, but Yelich is a special player on a team friendly deal, and Realmuto is one of the best youn catchers in MLB. The Brave’s current payroll drops significant;y after 2018, so it’s feasible. If the AA could pull off a blockbuster that brought back Yelich and Realmuto, taking on the contracts of Prado and Chen, but retaining the core of our young pitching, it might just make him the King of Cobb County.

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  15. 15 Vox O'Reason January 4, 2018 at 9:06 am

    Lots of typos above. I don’t care. 😉 I need coffee.

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  16. 16 Gil in Mechanicsville January 4, 2018 at 9:13 am

    typos? what typos? no keyboarding police here.. 🙂

    Yes, it is a load but aside from Acuna, all the other top Braves prospects are pitchers. Sure, no one wants to unload these guys but there is no place to play them all.

    Prado for Markakis is a trade I make. All the rest is done by the bean counters. I guess Jeter is going for #1-1 in the 2019 draft. Probable will get it too.

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  17. 17 Gil in Mechanicsville January 4, 2018 at 9:15 am

    That said, to swing a blockbuster deal, it will take at least one and likely two of the Braves top prospects. You cannot expect to get quality for junk, it just does not work that way.

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  18. 18 Vox O'Reason January 4, 2018 at 9:17 am

    If you want my true opinion…

    Obviously the Braves cannot pitch all of their young pitchers that are about to start arriving in waves. And obviously some will be traded to fill areas of need elsewhere. Pitchers I hope are untouchable: Luiz Gohara, Mike Soroka, Kolby Allard, Kyle Wright. All the others would hurt to lose, but the ones mentioned above all have top-of-the-rotation ability. Young position players I hope are untouchable; Ozzie and Acuna. Notice I didn’t list Dansby. First, his trade value is not very high. Second, he’s replaceable. If I have a lineup that starts with Ender, Ozzie, Yelich, Freddie, Acuna, Realmuto, I’ll be perfectly happy with Charlie Culberson at SS.

    An OF of Yelich/Ender/Acuna could be elite offensively and defensively for several years to come. Add to that the venerable Freddie Freeman and the dynamic Ozzie Albies, plus the possibility of JT Realmuto catching the oung stud pitchers for the foreseeable future, and I’m truly willing to open up the vault.

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  19. 19 Vox O'Reason January 4, 2018 at 9:20 am

    How about the just acquired Brandon McCarthy and Scott Kazmir for Wei-Yin Chen? That would help grease the skids to get a Yelich/Realmuto deal done. MIA could save a ton of coin if they were willing to demand less from the Braves farm.

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  20. 20 Vox O'Reason January 4, 2018 at 9:21 am

    As I said…

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  21. 21 Gil in Mechanicsville January 4, 2018 at 9:24 am

    The good news is… we actually have something to blog about… 🙂

    Speculation is just that but if the Braves could get some decent pitching, they could become a factor, after all, the Fish had a pretty stout offense last season but could not keep the opposition off the board.

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  22. 22 Vox O'Reason January 4, 2018 at 9:41 am

    Suddenly I am imagining a lineup that goes:

    Ender, CF (L) .304/.350/.409 11 HR, 22 SB
    Ozzie, 2B (S) .286/.354/.456 6 HR, 8 SB in 56 G
    Freddie, 1B (L) .307/.403/.586 28 HR, 71 RBI
    Realmuto, C (R) .278/.332/.451 17 HR, 65 RBI
    Yelich, LF (L) .282/.369/.439 18 HR, 81 RBI
    Acuna, RF (R)
    3B
    SS

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  23. 23 Vox O'Reason January 4, 2018 at 10:35 am

    Jon Morosi:

    When Alex Anthopoulos became the Braves’ general manager in November, he inherited one of the top farm systems in baseball.

    Through blockbuster trades while GM of the Blue Jays, Anthopoulos demonstrated that he’s not afraid to part with top prospects. In Atlanta, he’s already constructed a creative swap of large contracts with the Dodgers. And he may not be done with major moves in his first offseason with the Braves.

    The Braves have contacted the Marlins to express interest in trading for outfielder Christian Yelich and catcher J.T. Realmuto, sources said. While the talks have yet to advance, there’s little doubt that the Braves have the prospect depth to entice their National League East rival.

    One major reason for Anthopoulos to be opportunistic: Freddie Freeman, Julio Teheran and Ender Inciarte are the only players on guaranteed contracts with the Braves beyond the 2018 season, providing Anthopoulos with a high degree of financial flexibility.

    The Braves also are open to signing a free-agent starting pitcher, one source said this week, although they are not currently engaged in active negotiations within that marketplace. For now, the Braves have only three starters locked into rotation spots for 2018: Teheran, Mike Foltynewicz and the newly acquired Brandon McCarthy.

    Since the Braves aren’t close to Major League Baseball’s competitive balance tax threshold, Anthopoulos has the freedom to backload multiyear contracts without major financial repercussions. With many starting pitchers still unsigned — Yu Darvish, Jake Arrieta, Alex Cobb and Lance Lynn, among others — one could fall into the Braves’ price range.

    Suddenly, we are talking about actually competing in 2018. A trade for Yelich coupled with a signing of a real top starter, and the Braves could actually be in the post-season hunt.

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  24. 24 Vox O'Reason January 4, 2018 at 10:38 am

    I’m not going far out on a limb to say that a rotation of Lynn, Julio, Folty, McCarthy and Gohara could be a very good one.

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  25. 25 Vox O'Reason January 4, 2018 at 11:27 am

    One more post-script to my being on the “go” side of trading for Yelich and signing a FA pitcher…

    Is 2018 the year to make such bold moves? Absolutely. Have you looked at the rest of the NL East? Those 2 moves alone would immediately vault the Braves into division contention at best, Wild Card contention at worst. Playing an unbalanced schedule against the floundering Fish (see what I did there?), miserable Mutts and flailing Phils would help boost our overall W/L record to ward off other NL Wild Card contenders even if we cannot surpass the still talented Nats.

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  26. 26 Vox O'Reason January 4, 2018 at 11:50 am

    Hmmm… I was just reminded that the 4 FA starting P’s named above – Yu Darvish, Jake Arrieta, Alex Cobb and Lance Lynn – were all extended QO’s, thus would cost the Braves their 3rd highest draft pick if signed. Given that they are already penalized their 3rd round pick this year because of Coppy-gate, would they also be willing to forfeit their 4th as well? I’m not so sure they would.

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  27. 27 Vox O'Reason January 4, 2018 at 11:58 am

    Absolutely worthy!

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  28. 28 Gil in Mechanicsville January 4, 2018 at 1:00 pm

    I love it when “nationally” syndicated pundits site unnamed sources. What they mean is “they read the comments of DOB and Bowman… 🙂

    I guess they figure they have the inside scoop but in reality, they are just speculating too on something that makes sense.

    Still, we can dream can’t we? I am of the mind that Fried is on a lot of folks radar now given how he pitched at the end of last season in the Bigs as well as his stellar work in the AFL.

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  29. 29 Gil in Mechanicsville January 4, 2018 at 1:02 pm

    Besides, no GM in their right mind tips to the media what they are really thinking until the deal is done. (Fucal)

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  30. 30 Vox O'Reason January 4, 2018 at 1:17 pm

    I am of the mind that Fried is on a lot of folks radar now given how he pitched at the end of last season in the Bigs as well as his stellar work in the AFL.

    I love him too, but I’d let him go in a fair deal for Yelich. As I said earlier, the only ones I see as untouchable are Gohara, Allard, Wright and Soroka. Soroka could be our “ace” within 2 years. He’s that good.

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  31. 31 Vox O'Reason January 4, 2018 at 1:21 pm

    I have to agree…

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  32. 32 Vox O'Reason January 4, 2018 at 1:22 pm

    That was in response to this:

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  33. 33 Vox O'Reason January 4, 2018 at 1:24 pm

    And this is completely different than swapping Adam Wainright for JD Drew. Yelich is under contract through 2021 w/ a team option for 2022.

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  34. 34 Vox O'Reason January 4, 2018 at 2:18 pm

    Joe Frisaro, MLB.com: According to multiple sources, the Nationals are interested in Realmuto and Yelich, either individually or perhaps together in what would be a mega package.

    Yet another reason for the Braves to make a push. If the Nats were to acquire both, the Braves would well be chasing them for several more years. The Braves should absolutely make a move for 1 of the 2. As Bowman aptly noted, “either of them would provide Freeman the protection he doesn’t have within the current projected lineup” and hasn’t had consistently since Justin Upton.

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  35. 35 Vox O'Reason January 4, 2018 at 2:26 pm

    *Still, I would love to have both Realmuto and Yelich but if I were to have my druthers, I’d take which ever one best helps the Braves long term. That would be a real catcher.

    As much as I drool over a dream OF of Yelich/Ender/Acuna, I think the rational side of me has to agree, Gil. It should cost you the aforementioned package of young pitchers, plus one of catchers Suzuki or Flowers, and catching prospect Alex Jackson.

    And the Braves can more easily pick up an OF in FA next year than they can a catcher. Guys that will be available include Marwin Gonzalez, AJ Pollock, Charlie Blackmon, Andrew McCutchen and Adam Jones. (Notice I didn’t mention Bryce Harper. I figured there was no need to.)

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  36. 36 Vox O'Reason January 4, 2018 at 2:26 pm

    Still, I would love to have both Realmuto and Yelich but if I were to have my druthers, I’d take which ever one best helps the Braves long term. That would be a real catcher.

    As much as I drool over a dream OF of Yelich/Ender/Acuna, I think the rational side of me has to agree, Gil. It should cost you the aforementioned package of young pitchers, plus one of catchers Suzuki or Flowers, and catching prospect Alex Jackson.

    And the Braves can more easily pick up an OF in FA next year than they can a catcher. Guys that will be available include Marwin Gonzalez, AJ Pollock, Charlie Blackmon, Andrew McCutchen and Adam Jones. (Notice I didn’t mention Bryce Harper. I figured there was no need to.)

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  37. 37 Gil in Mechanicsville January 4, 2018 at 3:02 pm

    The Nationals do need a catcher and they are pretty certain Harper will be departing for locations west.

    The Nationals have some very good prospects but nowhere near the pitching prospects, if they did, they would not have gone outside of the organization for bullpen help.

    The gNats are going to have to decide if they want to try and keep Harper or Strasburg, I don’t think they can keep both. That is even with deep pockets the gNats have. At some point they will be celebrating Max Scherzer day like the Mets celebrate Bobby Bonia day…

    Like the old adage, “Its hard to forget a girl for whom you buy a gift on time”….

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  38. 38 Gil in Mechanicsville January 4, 2018 at 3:04 pm

    For sure, Jeter would love to get the gNats and the Bravos in a bidding war over these two. The Braves advantage would be the salary cap room they have. Of course, Werth does drop off the National’s payroll this year but…

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  39. 39 Gil in Mechanicsville January 4, 2018 at 3:07 pm

    The Nats have a pretty special kid in Victor Robles but I think when it comes down to it, the Braves have what every GM covets… PITCHING….

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  40. 40 Gil in Mechanicsville January 4, 2018 at 6:52 pm

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Braves/comments/7o6pml/potential_deal_for_yelichrealmuto_according_to/

    I would do this deal in a New York minute… The key point is the Braves taking on payroll… They can afford it.

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  41. 41 Vox O'Reason January 4, 2018 at 8:10 pm

    Gulp… Allard. 8-/

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  42. 42 Gil in Mechanicsville January 4, 2018 at 8:12 pm

    Yep, remember, we are talking about proven talent verses hopes and dreams…

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  43. 43 Vox O'Reason January 5, 2018 at 8:52 am

    Among the 4 names I mentioned as my untouchables, the order in my mind is probably this:

    1A, Mike Soroka
    1B, Luis Gohara
    3, Kyle Wright
    4, Kolby Allard

    So if one of my untouchables has to go to make it happen, I’ll swallow hard and live with Allard. His LH delivery, above-average cutter, above-average change and above-average curve will make him tough to face in the same division, though.

    To be honest, I’m not opposed to letting the experienced Sean Newcomb go. I like him, but I’m more excited about the ones to come, Soroka especially. And I hope he gets to show us why sometime in the middle of this summer. You can all call me crazy, but with Soroka and Gohara leading the other highly touted youngsters, we are going to have a fantastic rotation sooner than later.

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  44. 44 Gil in Mechanicsville January 5, 2018 at 11:14 am

    Yes Vee, trades are always a gamble and let’s face it, no matter what a club does, 29 MLB teams will end the season falling short. I would think winning multiple World Series will become even harder.

    Now, having said all that, the guy who is smartest in all this is Loria, able to squeeze 1.2 billion dollars out of a group of investors for a very poor franchise. What must the Braves actually be worth?

    So, while the Marlins wait for the best return for what talent they have left, they hope the Braves will get into a bidding war with the gNats. Oh, how Coppy’s f****- *p really hurts right now because Maitan would have been a heck of a bargaining chip.

    Oh well, nothing we can do about it now other than hope some of the Braves draft picks blossom into real talent.

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  45. 45 Vox O'Reason January 5, 2018 at 3:46 pm

    Good luck!!

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  46. 46 Gil in Mechanicsville January 5, 2018 at 4:15 pm

    Ditto Vee, I hope Jace gets a chance to play for the Yankees at some point. I thought he was improving each year. No, not an All-star but a solid bench player.

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  47. 47 berigan2electricboogaloo January 5, 2018 at 10:05 pm

    You know it’s funny…. I think Sean Newcomb is a bit exasperating with his walks, but…he’s 24. and does remind one of Jon Lester, correct? 4-9 4.32 is not bad for a first year. A lot of braves greats were a LOT worse their first year, though they were probably up too soon.
    Meanwhile, Folty is 26, and last year? 10-14 with a 4.79 ERA.
    I would be much more likely to give up on him, than Newcomb. Hard throwing lefties are not exactly a dime a dozen….

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  48. 48 Gil in Mechanicsville January 6, 2018 at 8:21 am

    In another system, Folty would already be in the pen.

    When you have a leaky defense, young pitchers feel like they have to strike everyone out and that leads to even more problems.

    It’s okay to strike out the side but no one is going to do it constantly and be around for more than a few innings.

    I was more impressed with Max Fried and especially Gohara but April is a new season…. Get an offense that can put up a few runs on the board every night and I’ll take my chances with a stout pitching staff.

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  49. 49 Gil in Mechanicsville January 7, 2018 at 6:29 pm

    So. I guess there must be some smoke as far as the Yelich/Realmuto/Braves story. I guess it make so much sense to everyone their has to be some real possibilities that a trade could happen.

    Sort of like the person who decides they want a particular brand of car, it is going to happen, just a matter of what dealer they are going to buy from. That and how much they are willing to pay, but, it is going to happen….

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  50. 50 Gil in Mechanicsville January 7, 2018 at 6:31 pm

    On a different note” Brett Cumberland went 2 for 3 today with two walks, a double and a home run, his 7th down under this season.

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  51. 51 Vox O'Reason January 8, 2018 at 9:02 am

    Happy Natty Day!!

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  52. 52 Gil in Mechanicsville January 8, 2018 at 9:16 am

    Here is wishing all you Dawg fans good luck…

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  53. 53 Vox O'Reason January 8, 2018 at 1:38 pm

    So 5 days after we did it first, Bowman (and all of the MLB.com beat writers respectively) posted the following:

    LINEUP IF SEASON STARTED TODAY

    And this is how he listed it:
    Ender Inciarte, CF
    Ozzie Albies, 2B
    Freddie Freeman, 1B
    Tyler Flowers, C
    Nick Markakis, RF
    Lane Adams, LF
    Johan Camargo, 3B
    Dansby Swanson, SS

    .. almost exactly as we had it here first, except that he did not have LAdams and Preston Tucker platooning in LF. Since we posted ours, we have been teased by the rumors of AA talking to The Fish about one or both of Christian Yelich and JT Realmuto.

    But reality overtook emotion and the chances of AA giving up what it would cost to make such a deal happen is very slim. So how could we realistically improve this lineup which doesn’t exactly inspire hope and optimism? I could make a major improvement with just one signing, and that is for Todd Frazier at 3B.

    Ber, I know you will immediately show me The Toddfather’s batting line from 2017, which is .213/.321/.459. He also popped 27 HR’s.

    I’m loathe to pull up a boutique stat, but I’m afraid I have to this time, especially since the new administration is much more reliant on such numbers. Todd Frazier’s WAR (Wins Above Replacement) for 2017 was 3.4. Can anyone guess where that would rank among the 2017 Braves?

    Before I answer that question, I’ll comment that of the 7 Braves players that posted a WAR of 1.0 or better in 2017, only 3 were in the lineup more than 100 games, and one of those was traded away. Freddie Freeman was the team leader at 4.5 WAR. Ender Inciarte ranked 2nd with 3.0.

    Yep, that’s right. Todd Frazier would have ranked 2nd on the 2017 Braves in relative value.

    Signing Frazier would give the Braves a competent everyday starter at 3B, a real power threat to protect Freddie Freeman in the batting order, and would allow Johan Camargo to do what Johan Camargo does best, and that’s be the super-sub.

    One small signing would make the batting order look like this:
    Ender, CF (L)
    Ozzie, 2B (S)
    Freddie, 1B (L)
    Todd Frazier, 3B (R)
    Kakes, RF (L)
    Flow/Zuk, C (R)
    Lane Adams/Tucker Preston, LF (R/L)
    Dansby Swanson, SS (R)

    [And once Ronald Acuna arrives, the lineup improves even more.]

    As bad as Matt Kemp was, there is no denying the difference it made for Freddie to have Kemp’s power threat behind him in the lineup. And Frazier’s 27 HR’s last season makes him a legitimate power threat regardless of his .213 AVG.

    One simple short-term signing that would cost nothing but money, and not even alot of that in 2018 dollars.

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  54. 54 Carolina Lady January 8, 2018 at 2:22 pm

    I keep telin’ you guys that y’all are smarter than all the “professional” pundits out there. Of course, it was seen here first!

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  55. 55 Gil in Mechanicsville January 8, 2018 at 2:33 pm

    Kudos to the always first VO’R

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  56. 56 Gil in Mechanicsville January 8, 2018 at 2:35 pm

    And yes, not exactly a line up that would strike fear in an opposing pitching staff, get past the first 3 1/2 and you are pretty much in control of your own destiny.

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  57. 57 berigan2electricboogaloo January 8, 2018 at 3:40 pm

    Ber, I know you will immediately show me The Toddfather’s batting line from 2017, which is .213/.321/.459. He also popped 27 HR’s.

    V, you know me too well 😉
    Heres a question. Has there ever been a .213 hitter protecting the best hitter on the club?
    Now, to be fair….Todd was a much better hitter in the NL, for some reason. .225 and 213 last two seasons in the AL…last two seasons in the NL. .273, and.255, but of course, that was while playing in the great American small park. where he had a career .268 BA
    Seitzer, might help him a bit too.
    It’s just weird….Camargo…all he did was hit his first year, and folks seem to think he’s a bench player…and that’s all he’d be here, unless Dansby tanks. How often is he going to fill in for Frazier? Ozzie? Dansby…if he hits?
    Camargo had 27 extra base hits in 241 Abs, Todd had 47, in 474 AB’s (In 147 games, I’m guessing his low BA meant he was pinch hit for quite a bit, he didn’t even hit .200 in Yankee stadium last year)
    I just don’t know… IF Frazier hit .240/250 with 30 + HR’s, sure….but, he didn’t do either last year…in pretty good hitting parks…
    but Camargo, he can play once a week, and pinch hit most nights, and play the 9th at 3rd sometimes…I’d like to see what he could do full time…
    Heck, I’d put him in left and see what he could do….

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  58. 58 Vox O'Reason January 8, 2018 at 4:27 pm

    but Camargo, he can play once a week, and pinch hit most nights, and play the 9th at 3rd sometimes…I’d like to see what he could do full time… Heck, I’d put him in left and see what he could do….

    I’d like to see him get a start in LF from time to time. And at 3B. And at SS. Which is exactly my desire. I think he can play all over the field, rest some guys periodically, and still get significant playing time.

    Has there ever been a .213 hitter protecting the best hitter on the club?

    Over the last 4 seasons, Frazier has HR totals of 29, 35, 40, and 27. And in the process, he has driven in 80, 89, 98, and 76 runs. So while he doesn’t have a sexy batting avg, he’s still a significant power threat. He’d still provide protection in the order. I mean… as a pitcher, I’d still issue Freddie a BB if the next guy up is just gonna slap singles. Or is Adonis Garcia. 😉

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  59. 59 Vox O'Reason January 8, 2018 at 5:09 pm

    Hmmm… coincidence?

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  60. 60 Vox O'Reason January 8, 2018 at 5:12 pm

    Again…. I concur.

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  61. 61 Vox O'Reason January 8, 2018 at 5:13 pm

    He’s making my argument for me, and I appreciate it. Saves me time looking up stats.

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  62. 62 Vox O'Reason January 8, 2018 at 5:30 pm

    Let me put it another way…

    If the Braves opt to spend their limited $$ on a 3B bridge (aka Todd Frazier), then their pitching options beyond Julio, Folty, Newcomb, McCarthy, and Gohara are still Scott Kazmir, Max Fried, Lucas Sims, Mike Soroka, and Kolby Allard. Some of those will win a spot on the big league roster; some will open 2018 in AAA as depth. (That Gwinnett team will be tough!)

    If the Braves opt to spend their limited $$ on pitching, then their remaining 3B options behind Johan Camargo are Rio Ruiz and Adonis Garcia. Yowser. We better hope that Camargo is the new Iron Man. And if we need him to play SS or 2B in the event of something unmentionable, we really suck at 3B.

    If the Braves opt to spend their limited $$ on a 3B bridge, we still have Camargo to back up 3B as well as those other positions.

    If the Braves opt to spend their limited $$ on pitching, then one more of the above mentioned guys remains in AAA. (That Gwinnett team will be tougher!) Actually, one might even need to open in AA. Interesting, but I digress.

    Seems to me that simple logic points toward helping out the position with the deficiency.

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  63. 63 berigan2electricboogaloo January 8, 2018 at 10:24 pm

    Actually get on base? Frazier had a .344 OBP in 2017, about 30 points higher than Moustakas (.314),
    Longoria (.313) or Machado (.310). His .772 OPS was 10 points below Machado’s .782

    I think this actually makes a case for why boutique stats…suck 😛
    Ask team GM’s (even the 20 something statheads) which of the 4 they would choose….
    Frazier was hitting in the .180’s when June started last year.,..I’m just sayin’ ….I won’t cry if he’s signed, but he is going to need to improve as his BA has been going downward the last 2 years….
    by the by, Johan’s OBP? .783, guess he’s better than all those 3rd basemen, and we should rest easy with him getting most of the starts! 😆

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  64. 64 Vox O'Reason January 9, 2018 at 8:30 am

    Foot ball is over. Time for baseball.

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  65. 65 Vox O'Reason January 9, 2018 at 8:31 am

    Ask team GM’s (even the 20 something statheads) which of the 4 they would choose….

    Me too, if I had an extra $200M to toss around, but I don’t. When you’re shopping the discount aisle, you get what’s on the discount aisle.

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  66. 66 Vox O'Reason January 9, 2018 at 8:43 am

    But let me ask you…

    Who make the lineup tick more? Johan Camargo or Todd Frazier? Who protects Freddie Freeman better? Camargo? Tyler Flowers? Nick Markakis? Todd Frazier?

    And who, at the end of the season, will have more RBI? Flow? Kakes? Toddfather?

    Look at it this way… If we go into 2018 with the lineup as it currently looks, we have a very good 1-3, no real middle of the order boppers, and a bunch of leftovers for 6 straight outs. Seriously, as much as I love the Braves, I am not so delusional as to think that Tyler Flowers, Nick Markakis, Lane Adams, Johan Camargo or Dansby Swanson is going to make any opposing pitcher or manager feel uncomfortable. That’s 2/3 of the lineup. So you might as well walk Freddie Freeman too, because the lineup drops off like a hot brick after him. Will Frazier turn us into a playoff contender? Not by himself, no. But if you want to give your only All-Star a chance to have some meaningful AB’s, you better get at least one middle of the order type bat for the lineup.

    And since I’m shopping at Walmart and not at Neiman Marcus, I’ll take the best I can feasibly get.

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  67. 67 Gil in Mechanicsville January 9, 2018 at 9:10 am

    And I think we are all saying the same thing, the current line up is not good enough to surpass 75 wins as constructed.

    Now, add Frazier and Yelich… 82 wins or better.

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  68. 68 Gil in Mechanicsville January 9, 2018 at 9:12 am

    Not only is your line up scarier and deeper but your defense and your bench are upgraded. It isn’t rocket surgery but it’s close….

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  69. 69 Gil in Mechanicsville January 9, 2018 at 9:21 am

    I look at Frazier as a modern day Terry Pendleton. A guy who can bridge to the future and adds depth to the line up and who isn’t going to break the bank. I know a lot of folks want to add a front line starter but the Braves may well have one or two of those on the shelf already.

    I say pick the Todd Father up and continue to develop Camargo, Ruiz, and Riley…

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  70. 70 Gil in Mechanicsville January 9, 2018 at 9:23 am

    And I know the Braves don’t have Yankee or Red Sox money but if you are always going to “poor mouth” then you will remain a bottom feeder.

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  71. 71 Vox O'Reason January 9, 2018 at 9:23 am

    And that’s the thing. Even if it isn’t Frazier, adding a 3B starter that can bat cleanup not only charges your lineup, it also improves your bench. And that’s not a knock on Camargo. To the contrary, it simply plays to his strengths and makes the overall team better.

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  72. 72 Gil in Mechanicsville January 9, 2018 at 9:24 am

    Think the Angles will give us Simba back for Newcomb? No, I don’t think so either.

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  73. 73 Gil in Mechanicsville January 9, 2018 at 9:26 am

    Okay team… it is agreed by all of us on the B&S thread. Sign a bopping 3rd baseman and trade for Yelich…. I don’t think it gets us the NL East but I do think it nets a wild card berth…

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  74. 74 Vox O'Reason January 9, 2018 at 9:37 am

    And apparently 3B is the hot topic of the moment. Alan Carpenter of Tomahawk Take posted this last night:

    Frazier ranks as MLBTR’s 17th best free agent on the market this Winter, and they projected a new contract for him of 3 years and $33 million. In fairness, $11m per year is probably not a terrible number… unless you have to have all three years.

    And to be clear, I don’t want to give him 3 years guaranteed either. 2 with an option I can live with. And even at that I’m probably looking to trade him mid-season 2019.

    Carpenter also throws out another player:

    Another possibility? Eduardo Nunez, who lacks the power potential of Frazier, but hit well over .300 and has a history of hitting for average… though not a lot else.

    Meh. Nunez is not a cleanup hitter. Doesn’t move my meter in the least. If you’re going to do that, might as well go with Camargo.

    Carpenter also correctly assess that the 3B market is “fairly light”. And that’s an understatement. Yunel Escobar Pt.2? Darwin Barney? Cliff Pennington? Gag…

    So unless you’re willing to offer 5 yrs/$85M to Mike Moustakas, and completely block Austin Riley in the process, there isn’t another true power option at 3B unless you go and overpay in a trade to a team that needs pitching. (BTW- I’m still on the Jed Gyorko train, but it apparently isn’t leaving the station.)

    C’mon, Thoppy. We need action. Here are 2 words to motivate you: Adonis Garcia.

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  75. 75 Vox O'Reason January 9, 2018 at 9:47 am

    Sign a bopping 3rd baseman and trade for Yelich

    I am fairly pessimistic on a deal for Yelich. I’d pay a fair price for him, but I think The Fish will hold out for a serious overpay because they really don’t have to trade him. The name they’ve already thrown out is Ronald Acuna. I’m not sure if that’s the first salvo of negotiation or if it’s the required starting point. But, if that is the starting point, then there really are no negotiations to be done.

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  76. 76 Vox O'Reason January 9, 2018 at 9:48 am

    It’s what I’ve been saying all along.

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  77. 77 Vox O'Reason January 9, 2018 at 9:50 am

    Well, not exactly what I’ve been saying. Going 3 full years is tough. But in 2018 dollars, $11M is not alot. In fact, it’s Nick Markakis.

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  78. 78 Gil in Mechanicsville January 9, 2018 at 10:11 am

    Sometimes I feel like I’m living in an echo chamber. 🙂

    So yes, the length of any contract is always a sticking point. Answer, you pay more per year or you spread it out an extra year. I would like to get my next new car for free but I am pretty sure that won’t happen. It is why the GM is paid the big bucks, so he can keep all this sorted out.

    And on the gNats and potential trades with the Marlins, I would venture to guess that Victor Robles is high on the Fish’s want list too. That also would be a non starter because the Nationals are just not in the position to pay anyone $500MM, even in overpaid DC, who does Harper think he is anyway, Hilary Clinton?

    Sorry about your Dawgs last night, I thought the refs were fly specking UGA but overlooked the same shenanigans perpetrated by Bama. Oh well, there is always next year. After all, I have been waiting eons for Va Tech to finally win a NC.

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  79. 79 Gil in Mechanicsville January 9, 2018 at 10:16 am

    Yeah Vee, a guy who hits around .300 and focuses on line drives sounds very Camargo like.

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  80. 80 Vox O'Reason January 9, 2018 at 1:47 pm

    Reminder from DO’B:

    Friday is arbitration-figures swap date. As a reminder, Braves have 4 left, all pitchers: Folty, Vizcaino, Sam Freeman, Winkler. Can still negotiate deal before then.

    And also a reminder that the Braves are a “file and trial” team.

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  81. 81 Vox O'Reason January 10, 2018 at 9:29 am

    Still not much news around braves Country, so still more speculating to be done if we’re going to have something to talk about. 😀

    Ha! Anyway, here is some interesting information to chew on as we continue to wait for something substantial to happen…

    Alan Carpenter at Tomahawk Take posted a fairly detailed piece on what the Braves current payroll appears to be (estimating arb figures). I’ll spare you the details (click here to see his entire piece) and simply quote his conclusion:

    I have the Braves’ estimated opening day payroll at $115.2 million. If I read it correctly, Atlanta – according to COTS – spent $133.4 million during 2017. Given that – and the expectation of a bump in the payroll due to increased revenues – I would estimate that Atlanta could have something around $25 million more to spend, should they chose to spend.

    My guess is that they will NOT spend $25M more on payroll, but perhaps $10-$15M isn’t unreasonable. How they spend it is still fuel for our hot stove fodder.

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  82. 82 Vox O'Reason January 10, 2018 at 3:42 pm

    It has finally happened.

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  83. 83 Gil in Mechanicsville January 10, 2018 at 4:26 pm

    That was sneaky, I thought you had news on a big trade… 😦

    Okay, maybe the Braves are creating roster space. I suspect the Brave got some type of compensation for Garcia’s release but who knows?

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  84. 84 Vox O'Reason January 10, 2018 at 4:40 pm

    Okay, maybe the Braves are creating roster space.

    It does, of course, open up a 40-man spot. Be nice if they filled it with another 3B, wouldn’t it?

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  85. 86 Gil in Mechanicsville January 10, 2018 at 4:46 pm

    Yes, go ahead and sign Frazier for 2 years and allow Austin Riley to season at triple A. It’s only someone else’s money… 🙂

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  86. 87 Gil in Mechanicsville January 10, 2018 at 4:47 pm

    2 years, mutual option for third year and give Freddie some cover.

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  87. 88 Vox O'Reason January 11, 2018 at 1:42 pm

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  88. 89 Gil in Mechanicsville January 11, 2018 at 4:50 pm

    So, no trade yet… :0(

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  89. 90 Vox O'Reason January 11, 2018 at 5:30 pm

    Don’t hold your breathe…

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  90. 91 Vox O'Reason January 11, 2018 at 5:30 pm

    … or your breath. 😳

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  91. 92 Gil in Mechanicsville January 11, 2018 at 5:43 pm

    Ha! Your fingers got all excited just thinking about it didn’t they Vee? 🙂

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  92. 93 Gil in Mechanicsville January 12, 2018 at 8:59 am

    Sam Freeman did not take long to accept the Braves arbitration offer. $1.2MM or so. Would work for me… So, come on guys, get er done and sign those contracts.

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  93. 94 Vox O'Reason January 12, 2018 at 9:29 am

    Sam Freeman agreed to a 1-year deal for $1.075M yesterday, which is slightly less than the $1.2M he was projected to received through arb. His agreement leaves just 3 Braves remaining arb eligible, those being Folty, Viz, and Winkler. It would not surprise me at all to see each of them come to terms today at some point.

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  94. 95 Vox O'Reason January 12, 2018 at 9:29 am

    Oops, late to the party. Oh well…

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  95. 96 Vox O'Reason January 12, 2018 at 9:34 am

    Projected salary figures for the remaining 3 arb eligible dudes:

    Folty – $2.7M
    Viz – $3.7M
    Winkler – $800K

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  96. 97 Vox O'Reason January 12, 2018 at 9:40 am

    Speaking of Folty, this is a big year for him. He has to prove some consistency and worth this season or he’ll be the next Tommy Hanson. Except with Hanson, he got a longer look because he wasn’t being pushed by a herd of talented youngsters. If Folty blinks too long, he’ll be passed by Fried, Soroka, Allard and Wright before he can say “base on balls”.

    Personally, I want Folty to stick. He had a streak last year where he looked poised to become the rotation’s ace, then he suddenly regressed and looked quite average again. If he can ever harness that immense talent, he could become a much needed stabilizing presence in the middle of the rotation.

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  97. 98 Vox O'Reason January 12, 2018 at 9:41 am

    Could Folty wind up in Miami? Uh… don’t be surprised if his name is mentioned.

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  98. 99 Gil in Mechanicsville January 12, 2018 at 9:48 am

    For Yelich? You betcha….

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  99. 100 Vox O'Reason January 12, 2018 at 10:09 am

    I was just perusing the team’s expected AAA roster, because I’m afflicted that way, and noticed that there is not currently a CF on the projected squad. It should be noted that many feel Ronald Acuna could start the season there, and he is a true CF, but even if he does it won’t be for long. To my untrained eyes, the organization needs to find some depth at CF for the upper minor league levels. Aside from Acuna, the closest CF we have is 23-yo Ray-Patrick Didder, who should begin the year at AA. By all accounts, Didder’s defense can play in The Show now, but his bat is still not close. And he has never played above high-A. I won’t be surprised to see AA sign a FA closer to spring training after the prices drop. Somebody like journeyman Jaff Decker or Tyler Collins maybe?

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  100. 101 Vox O'Reason January 12, 2018 at 10:11 am

    … specifically on a minor league deal. I should have noted that above. Don’t want to burn a 40-man roster spot on him.

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  101. 102 Vox O'Reason January 12, 2018 at 10:34 am

    Hope they wrap that up early so that Thoppy can go and get back on the phone… 😀

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  102. 103 Gil in Mechanicsville January 12, 2018 at 10:38 am

    Don’t be surprised if one of the Braves 4A outfielders starts in center field for the Strippers. Still early, could even see Santana assigned to learn the position.

    Tyler Collins? Where have I heard that name from?

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  103. 104 Vox O'Reason January 12, 2018 at 11:28 am

    Don’t be surprised if one of the Braves 4A outfielders starts in center field for the Strippers.

    Strippers? I’ve heard of creative minor league promotions, but that one’s a bit extreme, ain’t it? 😆

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  104. 105 Vox O'Reason January 12, 2018 at 11:53 am

    Big step back from TJ from a kid that might have been wearing a script “A” last September if his elbow had not exploded in June. New regime will not rush him, especially given the wealth of arms in the stockpile. I’d guess he could make some late season AAA appearances if things stay on track.

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  105. 106 Vox O'Reason January 12, 2018 at 11:55 am

    And then there were 2…

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  106. 107 Gil in Mechanicsville January 12, 2018 at 12:41 pm

    Strippers… Happy fingers… Like Hooters, but different…

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  107. 108 Gil in Mechanicsville January 12, 2018 at 12:51 pm

    Remember the movie “Slap Shot”? Hey. it could happen… 🙂

    Yes, I will look for Weigel in 2019. The Braves have adapted a two year recover time frame for TJ patients. I think they learned a hard lesson with Beachy and Medlin.

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  108. 109 Gil in Mechanicsville January 12, 2018 at 12:51 pm

    Work on you legs kid and simply long toss…

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  109. 110 Vox O'Reason January 12, 2018 at 1:52 pm

    1 remains…

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  110. 111 Vox O'Reason January 12, 2018 at 2:46 pm

    Ugh… bad advice from his agent IMO. His inconsistency coupled with the approaching abundance of accomplished arms will work against him. He could win his arb case, but he could also lose the organization in the process. AA has absolutely zero ties to him. As I said earlier, he looks to be morphing into Tommy Hanson V2. Let’s just hope he doesn’t fit the Tommy Hanson profile all the way to the end.

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  111. 112 Vox O'Reason January 12, 2018 at 2:49 pm

    Leads me to believe even more strongly that Folty will be the pitcher the Braves try to include in any potential trade.

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  112. 113 Vox O'Reason January 12, 2018 at 2:59 pm

    To take that a step further, when I look at the pitchers closest on the way, I have to look a them from the standpoint that they haven’t proven themselves at the major league level yet. But honestly,… has Folty? No, he hasn’t. So in my eyes, they are still on even ground. That said, lets just do some buy<>sell comparisons, shall we? (I mean, what else is there to do on January 12?)

    Folty<>Luiz Gohara? Gohara all the way. Duh.
    Folty<>Sean Newcomb? Quite similar tracks, but Newcomb has better “stuff” and is LH. I take Newk.
    Folty<>Max Fried? By all appearances, Fried looks to have a higher upside. I take Fried.
    Folty<>Mike Soroka? Many experts say Soroka has #1 upside. Ceiling aside, he has 4 ML quality pitches with control. Folty does not. No brainer.
    Folty<>Kolby Allard? Allard as well has #1 or #2 potential. He also has more pitches and is LH. I want Allard.
    Folty<>Lucas Sims? IMO, Sims can be a beast out of the bullpen. Folty doesn’t have the mental makeup to relieve. I’ll keep Sims.

    See what I mean? It is a bad year to be a tough guy.

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  113. 114 Vox O'Reason January 12, 2018 at 3:11 pm

    To clarify, the deadline for players to come to agreement on a deal or file their arb figures was 1pm today. Folty was the lone holdout and will be the 1st Braves arb case since Mike Minor in 2015 and just the 2nd in 17 years (Andruw in 2001).

    Thoppy has indicated that the Braves will remain a “file and trial” team under his lead, meaning they will no longer negotiate once the 2 sides have filed their respective salary figures, with the exception being that they work out a multi-year deal. And I seriously doubt the Braves are interested in working out a multi-year deal with Folty. My above argument aside, his numbers tell the tale. Even though he had some really good stretches last season, he still finished with a 4.79 ERA, only slightly ahead of his career 4.87 ERA (65 ML starts).

    I repeat: he has alot to prove in 2018, or he’ll find himself on the outside looking in… that is if he’s still here.

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  114. 115 Carolina Lady January 12, 2018 at 3:29 pm

    The Strippers, huh? Wonder what their attendance records are like…. Just sayin’ 😀

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  115. 116 Gil in Mechanicsville January 12, 2018 at 3:58 pm

    Yes, I learned from my many years as a union rep/director that you have to know who has the strong cards going in and unless Folty really wants to try his luck elsewhere, this was not the year to do it in, I hope he likes Miami… Yee haa..

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  116. 117 Gil in Mechanicsville January 12, 2018 at 10:35 pm

    Now, having said that. it turns out the two sides were only $100,000 apart. Now that is down right silly. May Folty figures he earned it this winter with all the personal appearance he put in for the Braves. He was the guy as far as I could tell … So you have that, we shall see.

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  117. 118 Gil in Mechanicsville January 13, 2018 at 7:13 pm

    Astros made a trade which netted them Gerrit Cole. That is what a really solid starting line up looks like.

    Verlander, Keuchel, McCullers, Cole, and Morton.

    Pretty stout.

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  118. 119 Gil in Mechanicsville January 13, 2018 at 7:20 pm

    I wonder how much discount the Braves could get for a year of McCutchen? He may not be what he once was but still a very good player.

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  119. 120 Vox O'Reason January 13, 2018 at 8:53 pm

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  120. 121 Gil in Mechanicsville January 15, 2018 at 10:34 am

    Good morning Stuffville, I finally broke down and watched an NFL football game yesterday, okay, I was bored but watched the Vikings and the Saints… DUH! If you think you folks in Atlanta feel bad about failing on the last play, think about how bummed out Saints fans are. Who goes for an interception when all you need to do is make a tackle? Poor in game situational awareness. Like a ball player going for a home run when they only need to make contact… But, I digress…

    It turned cold again…. BAH!

    Okay, I know, it is winter but where is all that global warming we had been promised? Only place still surrounded by hot air is still DC.

    Things still pretty quiet on the free agent front, looks like everyone is waiting until spring taring to make their assessments and acquisitions. Small movements by the Mets rehiring Jay Bruce and signing Gonzales.

    Still quiet on the Marlins front, the longer it goes, the less likely I feel any deal will be made concerning the Braves and Yelich.

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  121. 122 berigan2electricboogaloo January 15, 2018 at 2:58 pm

    Gil, I too am quite disappointed by this so called Global warming….I assume you all didn’t get much winter the year before, I think that’s why it seems so much colder this year…that and it is really cold 😉

    If I were a Pirates fan, man would I be mad at what they got back. Shoulda gotten Clint Frasier and some arm, instead of going for 4 guys…
    When I read on MLBTR that one reason the Pirates traded for those guys was the number of years they could control them….yawn…yawn, and I am getting too old for this sport. Probably would be better to watch more baseball and read less “baseball” stuff 😛

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  122. 123 Gil in Mechanicsville January 15, 2018 at 4:04 pm

    Yes, the Braves could have loaded up the Pirates with “controllable” guys… Not really good ball players but pretty controllable…

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  123. 124 Gil in Mechanicsville January 15, 2018 at 4:32 pm

    Reports are McCutchen has been traded to the SF Giants by the Pirates for a 1 year supply of Rice-a-Roni…

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  124. 125 Vox O'Reason January 16, 2018 at 8:46 am

    This is when it’s really hard to remain patient. Would Cutch have helped out the 2018 Braves? Absolutely! Would Longo have helped out the 2018 Braves? No doubt! But long term, they really would not, and the loss of even marginal prospects (not to mention dollars) would be of some detriment even if not alot.

    No, the reality is that we will probably have to endure one more difficult season before this aircraft carrier gets turned around. And you know how difficulty it is to turn an aircraft carrier, right?

    Unless the return player is on the younger side and still has time to help this team when it’s back on top, I’ll cringe and pass, thanks.

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  125. 126 Vox O'Reason January 16, 2018 at 8:53 am

    I did read a commentary yesterday that I agree with though…

    The difference between the Giants and a team like… oh, say… the Braves is that the Giants have no real prospects on the horizon and nothing to build around. Their only hope to tread water over the next few years is to go grab aging talent from other clubs. The problem with that, though, is that they are still behind the Dodgers, D’backs and Rockies in that division, and the young Padres are gaining fast. So while should at least be a more interesting team to watch in 2018, they’ll still be making early vacation plans for October.

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  126. 127 Vox O'Reason January 16, 2018 at 8:56 am

    Oh… and most importantly… they have the $$ to burn while waiting for some youngsters to develop. Might as well give it to guys like Cutch and Longo.

    “Cutch and Longo”. Sounds like a TV detective series.

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  127. 128 Gil in Mechanicsville January 16, 2018 at 9:04 am

    Much like the Braves the past couple of years, even though it has been reported the Braves were rebuilding, they had quite a few “past their prime” vets on the roster while waiting for the kids to mature.

    So, we anxiously await their arrival… The next Brian McCann, or Marteen Prado, although the Braves may well have the next Marteen Prado on the roster…

    Quite a few comments on the defensive prowess of young Cristian Pache but unless he can hit around .250, I don’t see him as a major league player. The Braves already have moved on from possibly the two best defensive players in baseball in Heyward and Simmons because of disappointing bats. Not saying they should have kept Heyward but for sure they should have kept Simba… STUPID, STUPID, STUPID….

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  128. 130 Vox O'Reason January 16, 2018 at 9:58 am

    Ah… Cristian Pache. The next fast riser in the system.

    Here’s the poop: Pache just turned 19 in November, so he’s still just a kid…. like we seem to be saying alot lately. He’s listed 6’2″ 185 lbs, and has some filling out to do. He was signed out of the Dominican Republic in 2015 at age 16 as the #21 rated Int’l prospect.

    This is what one Sally League scout said of him last April:

    At the dish, Pache hits from a semi open stance and slight crouch. He keeps his hands high and he utilizes a moderate leg kick for timing. His hands stay pretty busy pre-pitch. His swing is linear and has some length to it, but the bat speed is plus and the ball jumps off of his barrel. For an 18 year old he put together some pretty professional at bats in my look. Fouled off some tough pitches, laid off of some tough benders. The hit has the potential to play plus.

    Pache is pretty strong already and will get stronger. I put the raw power at 45 right now and that may get to 55 at peak. Potential 16-20 HR player but with current swing plane 8-12 is more likely.

    Speed and defense: For a big man Pache can fly, the speed is double plus. I liked his action in CF, good 1st step and the route running is already above average. He displayed a strong arm as well.

    Conclusion: Pache is an exciting young player with 5 loud tools on display. We could be looking at a player with the potential to hit 280+, with power in the teens and 25+ SB. With well above average CF defense. That’s a very exciting player.

    Then he spent the 2017 at low-A Rome where he slashed .281/.335/.343 with 13 doubles, 8 triples, 60 runs scored and an impressive 32 SB’s in 116 games, all but 2 spent in CF. He bats and throws RH.

    While most of the buzz on position players in our system has been around Ronald Acuna (and deservedly so), I’ve also been reading about Pache for a little while. He’s currently the Braves #10 prospect. But to be fair, at #10 he’s behind Ronald Acuna at #1, 7 pitchers at #2-#8, and Austin Riley at #9. Acuna will graduate off the list soon enough, as could a pitcher or 2, and Pache could pass Austin at the next ranking update. So expect him to ascend quickly.

    Pache should start 2018 at high-A Florida, but a fast start could earn him a quick promotion to AA. ETA to Atlanta? My guess is that he could get a September callup in 2019 with a real shot at the lineup in 2020, where the Braves could field an OF that boasts 3 real CF’s with Ender in LF, Pache in CF and Acuna in RF.

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  129. 131 Gil in Mechanicsville January 16, 2018 at 10:09 am

    It is so easy to forget how young these players are isn’t it?

    So, that is an encouraging report, tells me he is an “ask” when talking to other teams about trade possibilities.

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  130. 132 Gil in Mechanicsville January 16, 2018 at 12:37 pm

    So, perhaps if Pache is all he is purported to be, it would make sense for the Braves to hold off on Yelich if he was going to cost a ton.

    Like the old golf adage… “Keep your nose in your own bag”

    or… Thou shalt not covet thy neighboring franchise’s ball players…

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  131. 133 Vox O'Reason January 16, 2018 at 1:13 pm

    Hmmm… 3B option for Thoppy? Contract is perfect for Austin Riley’s development, and he was an All-Star in 2017 slashing .272/.339/.432 with 16 HR’s and 12 SB’s in 128 games, split between 83 at 2B, 49 at 3B, and 9 in the OF. I sure wouldn’t mind it…

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  132. 134 Vox O'Reason January 16, 2018 at 3:58 pm

    … and speaking of Harrison, Ken Rosensource of The Cashletic has this quote attributed to him:

    The GM is on record as saying, ‘When we get back to postseason-caliber baseball, we would love our fans to come back out.’ If indeed the team does not expect to contend this year or next, perhaps it would be better for all involved, that I also am traded.

    Hmmm… he might not be too happy being traded to a team in the last phase of a rebuild then. I wouldn’t expect to win this year. But next? Well, that’s a horse of a different color.

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  133. 135 Gil in Mechanicsville January 16, 2018 at 5:24 pm

    One thing is certain, I would bet money that is that horse could see itself it would be mortified…

    Yes, I could deal with Josh Harrison for a couple of years, solid player.

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  134. 137 Gil in Mechanicsville January 16, 2018 at 7:23 pm

    http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/22123963/christian-yelich-relationship-miami-marlins-irretrievably-broken-agent-says

    So, folks in the front office should pay attention.

    Will cost a couple of pretty good prospects but hey, quality is expensive.

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  135. 138 Gil in Mechanicsville January 16, 2018 at 8:08 pm

    G AB R H TB D T HR RBI W IBB SO SB CS AVG
    27 96 18 28 56 7 0 7 13 12 0 31 3 2 .292
    OBP SLG OPS GO/AO
    .397 .583 .980 0.46

    The above is Brett Cumberland’s final line for the ABL Melbourne Aces. So, decent numbers, I still think his future in pro ball will be as an outfielder but we shall see.

    Here is a link if anyone cares for a closer inspection
    http://web.theabl.com.au/player/index.jsp?sid=l595&player_id=656340#/career/R/fielding/2017/ABL

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