#189: Hot Stove Time! Light ‘Er Up!

Vox O’Reason

Donaldson

I’m beginning to form the opinion that there is an event to happen in the Braves organization that will be a direct cause/effect reality. I am beginning to form the opinion that if the Braves re-sign Josh Donaldson (and make no mistake, it will have to be for at least 3 years at big money), they will use Austin Riley in a trade to fill another need.

As you all know, I obsess over these things and read way too much from way too many sources. But this revelation seems to be an undercurrent everywhere I look. And the more I think about it, the more it makes sense and the more I believe it.

Austin Riley

The Braves have 4 major holes to fill before they start to feel the warmth of the the Fla Gulf Coast sun: they must add at least 1 and more realistically 2 starters, 1 of which must be of the top-of-the-rotation variety; they must fill the hole at 3B; they must fill the hole at catcher; they must fill the hole in LF. Now that’s not to say there aren’t other areas that can’t be improved or augmented, but those core 4 items must be specifically addressed if the Braves intend to not only repeat as NL East champs, but actually progress far enough to play for the NL pennant.

And the Braves are not a team that is going to stroll into the off-season with the checkbook open, reeling in Free Agents like bass in a stocked pond. That’s not to say they won’t break off a guy… maybe even 2. But 2 guys can’t fill 4 holes. There will be trades made.

And somebody of quality has to be included.

Maybe AA signs 2 top pitchers after seeing what actually makes it to the World Series, and leaves 3B for Riley to grow into. Maybe he signs his pitcher and catcher. Maybe he surprises everyone and signs a power bat for LF.

Or maybe he spends big on 3B. At that point, can he afford to hold onto Riley when other teams might supply us with a catcher or pitcher for a good 3B prospect? I don’t think he can.

I am of the opinion that Josh Donaldson and Austin Riley will not be on the same team in 2020. The Braves simply cannot afford that luxury.

What say you? And whom would you rather have over the next 3 years?

A few notes on an otherwise boring Monday…

After reinstating all the players on the 60-day IL, as is required 5 days after the World Series ends, the Braves 40-man roster currently sits at 32. Since there is a need to protect a handful of eligible prospects from this year’s Rule 5 draft, this is good news. But given that we must also add a few players to round out the major league roster, there will be some tough decisions that have to be made. And the deadline to make these decisions is Nov. 20, just 8 days away.

First, there is a whopping 25 Rule 5 eligible players in the Braves minor league system this year. I’m not sure how this ranks with other teams, but it doesn’t really matter. That’s a lot. And there will surely be some players that do not get protected that we will lose.

Among those who will surely get added to the 40-man roster in the next week are:

T Davidson

Pache

 

Cristian Pache. This one is obvious…. a no-brainer. Also no-brainers are pitchers Tucker Davidson, Jasseel De La Cruz, and Thomas Burrows. Another player who should require no debate is catcher William Contreras.

 

 

Wm Contreras

T Burrows

J de la Cruz

Now if you’re keeping count, that’s 5 players. Remember, we started with just 8 open slots in total. And while you have to keep one eye open to the fact that any Free Agent you sign to a major league deal is going to require a spot, that should not dominate this process yet. After all, for every FA you sign, you can use a corresponding move to bump someone off the bottom of the list. For instance, if we sign a catcher, Alex Jackson is likely placed on waivers. (Speaking of catchers, John Ryan Murphy will not remain on the 40-man roster very long himself. But with only 3 catchers on the roster as it’s currently assembled, AA cannot just cut him loose yet. Or perhaps Murphy’s fate is sealed once Contreras is added. That is possible. But I digress…)

Clouse

Pfeifer

Anyway, there are a still a couple of players who will almost certainly be selected if not protected. Those include pitchers Philip Pfeifer and Corbin Clouse. I think one or both of them are easy goners if left unprotected.

Other players of note that are eligible: P Josh Graham and SS Ray-Patrick Didder. I doubt either of them would be drafted since they would have to remain on the drafting team’s active roster for the entirety of the 2020 season. But a guy like Didder could be taken by some team in need of a versatile and speedy defender.

If I had to guess right now, I’d say they do protect the “no-brainer 5” I listed above, and cut loose JRM… leaving them with a little flexibility even after the 5 additions. But to add more than 5 is asking alot. How much do they like Pfeifer and Clouse? We’ll see in the next week.

Of course, I could be totally wrong about all of it. It wouldn’t be the first time.

More randomness because I am bored…

2019 playoff teams and their 2019 Opening Day payroll ranking:

#5 Nationals = $197,287,505 (World Series, champs)
#7 Astros = $188,624,429 (World Series)
#2 Yankees = $226,718,875 (ALCS)
#12 Cardinals = $168,097,083 (NLCS)
#4 Dodgers = $198,063,010 (NLDS)
#16 Braves = $138,401,048 (NLDS)
#17 Twins = $134,935,267 (ALDS)
#28 Rays = $88,817,567 (ALDS)

If the Braves want to elevate their season ending position, they might want to consider elevating their payroll position.

Just sayin’…

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

926 Responses to “#189: Hot Stove Time! Light ‘Er Up!”


  1. 1 Carolina Lady November 11, 2019 at 8:14 pm

    Excellent, VOR! Thanks once again!

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  2. 3 Gil in Mechanicsville November 11, 2019 at 9:17 pm

    Great reading both times… 🙂

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  3. 4 tramz18 November 11, 2019 at 10:02 pm

    Hey man.I love your articles and am going to share them in Braves groups I am in on Facebook.I hope this is ok Toby

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  4. 7 Vox O'Reasoñ November 12, 2019 at 8:33 am

    Mark Feinsand, MLB.com:

    Free agency is barely in its infancy stage, but as the General Managers Meetings commenced Monday, one name on the market is already starting to gain serious momentum: Josh Donaldson. The former American League MVP already has more than a half-dozen teams on his trail, with the Rangers, Phillies, Braves and Nationals chief among them, according to sources.

    The Rangers are expected to be a big player in the free-agent market, something that hasn’t been the case in recent years. Texas is moving to a new ballpark in 2020, and with third base among its top priorities, the expectation is that the Rangers will make a big push to sign either [Anthony] Rendon or Donaldson.

    And from what I’m reading, they fully expect to land one of the two. The fallout of that is easy to read. They are poised to outbid ATL for JD’s services. In all likelihood, the only thing that will prevent them from landing on a number that JDon will accept is if they first come to terms with Rendon. But that won’t help AA much either, because if it were to reach that point it appears the Nats will simply turn their focus to the Bringer and still outbid Thoppy.

    In other words, both the Rangers and Nats have Rendon and Donaldson listed as priority #1 and #1A. Now you all know I’m not a “glass half empty” kinda guy, but it’s not hard to read the landscape here. It might simply be impossible to compete with both teams in terms of dollars when we have other more pressing needs, most notably starting pitching. And quite honestly, we have secondary options at 3B, both in-house and in the market.

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  5. 8 Vox O'Reasoñ November 12, 2019 at 9:55 am

    File this one under “stuff”…

    https://twitter.com/Justin_FOX5/status/1194106840008855552.

    I love it!!!

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  6. 9 Vox O'Reasoñ November 12, 2019 at 9:55 am

    Take 2:

    File this one under “stuff”…

    I love it!!!

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  7. 10 Vox O'Reasoñ November 12, 2019 at 11:42 am

    … as expected.

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  8. 11 Gil in Mechanicsville November 12, 2019 at 11:47 am

    Yes, while I loved having J-Don on the team, the Braves are a tight fisted franchise and I would expect perhaps a more reasonably priced Moose to be on the menu. That and I prefer Donalson to be a Ranger rather than a Philly but the BOR will go where the dollars lead him.

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  9. 12 berigan2electricboogaloo November 12, 2019 at 1:08 pm

    Excellent opining V!
    Interesting point here…. First, there is a whopping 25 Rule 5 eligible players in the Braves minor league system this year. I’m not sure how this ranks with other teams, but it doesn’t really matter. That’s a lot. And there will surely be some players that do not get protected that we will lose.
    that’s interesting…wonder if the braves can trade some guys first, to teams that really want certain guys?

    IF J.D. doesn’t re-sign here….really hope he leaves this division….don’t want to see him 18 times a year…ugh!

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    • 13 Vox O'Reasoñ November 12, 2019 at 1:47 pm

      wonder if the braves can trade some guys first

      Sure, but those guys have to be protected by Nov. 20. And once they’re added, they cannot be messed with until the draft.

      Baseball rules state: A minor league player eligible for selection in the Rule 5 Draft cannot be added to an MLB Reserve List (40-man roster), traded to another organization, or transferred from one minor league reserve list to another within the same organization, starting with the filing of minor league reserve lists on November 20th (or November 19th if November 20th falls on a Saturday or November 18th if November 20th falls on a Sunday) up through the conclusion of the Rule 5 Draft.

      So those guys are locked and loaded from Nov. 20 on. So the Braves can protect u to 8 guys as the 40-man roster currently stands. There could certainly be some additional roster maneuvering before then. For instance, I cannot foresee a scenario in which John Ryan Murphy is tendered a contract offer. That said, he is 1 of only 3 catchers on the current 40 man with any ML experience. The others are Flow and Alex Jackson, whose ML experience is marginal at best. But they have to acquire another catcher somehow, even if he’s not as highly regarded as we’d like. AJax is simply not an option to open the season. Not with alongside, at least. Maybe if he only had to catch once every couple of weeks…

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  10. 15 berigan2electricboogaloo November 12, 2019 at 1:48 pm

    as for the Moose….I don’t believe MLBTR for a second , about some of their prices for certain guys. Moose is 3 years younger than J.D. and has a history of being healthy. He walks less, and is perhaps not as good defensively (as V said, we all didn’t know how good JD was till he came here) but 2 years, 20 mil? that’s less than JD gets for just 1 season?
    I know, he’s basically been doubted as a player, as he hit 38 HR’s in 2017, and no one would give him more than a 1 year deal, but folks that that was a fluke year. So, back to the Royal, who were terrible, then got traded in late 2018. to a better team. 28 HR’s between both teams. still only a one year deal. but last year, 35 HR’s at 3rd and 2nd. walked a bit more. Just cannot see how some smart team wouldn’t give him 2 years, 30 mil, or 3 45 Mil. If the braves do that, thats a lot of moola saved for a 3rd baseman. but, if some other team gets Rendon (you know, the mystery team every year) then it’s only JD and Moose….
    Riley was AMAZING for 2 months…33 HR’s in 127 games between the minors and majors, at 22. Since he wasn’t so hot at the end of the year….are teams going to offer an “impact” pitcher? If not, why not roll with him at 3rd? Just so much is not in place right now….
    I wonder if one of the 2 outfielders in waiting will be traded away, especially since they haven’t shown much power yet….if another season comes and goes, and they only hit 10-12 in the minors, then they aren’t going to have the value they have now…..you really want to be a GM? 😉

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    • 16 Vox O'Reasoñ November 12, 2019 at 2:24 pm

      I wonder if one of the 2 outfielders in waiting will be traded away

      There is a sentiment that Drew Waters could be traded if the return was an impact pitcher. Who could that be? I’d say that if Waters is included, the return would have to be string. AA keeps things close to the vest, so it could seemingly come out of left field, pardon the pun. But there are rumblings that Corey Kluber could be moved. And the Braves seem to always be linked to Matthew Boyd.

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  11. 17 berigan2electricboogaloo November 12, 2019 at 2:02 pm

    I know, he’s basically been doubted as a player, as he hit 38 HR’s in 2017, and no one would give him more than a 1 year deal, but folks thought that was a fluke year.

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    • 18 Vox O'Reasoñ November 12, 2019 at 2:28 pm

      I tend to agree that Moose doesn’t seem to garner the respect he looks to deserve. Are we missing something?

      I’d take him. Gratefully. I’d take him at 2 years plus a 3rd year team option.

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  12. 19 Vox O'Reasoñ November 12, 2019 at 2:33 pm

    Here’s something else to keep in mind. The current labor agreement only runs through 2021. Any contract that runs 3 years r longer will be impacted by the next labor agreement. So if you think a guy like JDon or Moose might not be as effective to play 150+ games in that 3rd year, there’s a good chance you could make him your DH in that last year. That reality is inevitable with the next CBA.

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  13. 20 Vox O'Reasoñ November 12, 2019 at 2:48 pm

    Don’t be surprised if the Braves kick the tires on trading Folty. He’s in his last year of arb, and I get the feeling they don’t want to tie him up long term.

    I think in an ideal world, the Braves will acquire 1 top-of-the-rotation pitcher, 1 innings eater, and fill out the rotation with holdovers Soroka, Fried and a rookie 5th starter, whomever wins the battle between Kyle Wright and Bryse Wilson. I think old buddy Sean Newcomb will be given the opportunity to win that 5th spot too.

    The Braves won’t spend the $$ for both MadBum and Zack Wheeler, but they could certainly buy one of them. The secondary guy will be someone like Tanner Roark or Rick Porcello, who you can simply pencil in every 5th day with league average results. But even more likely is that they probably will sign one guy, and trade for one guy. And thus the guess as to whom either might be is only just that… a guess. The possibilities are numerous.

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    • 21 Vox O'Reasoñ November 12, 2019 at 2:51 pm

      Think about it… if they can trade Folty, they’ll save a potential $7+M that could be applied to Bum or Wheels. And while Folty can at times be the pitcher he was in Game 2 of the Cards series, he can also be the guy he was in Game 5. And you never know which guy you’re getting.

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  14. 22 Gil in Mechanicsville November 12, 2019 at 3:21 pm

    As with every other pitcher, they finally reach an age where they are actually good. The trick is to know when and hope you manager or more likely, the guy who had him last didn’t wear out his should from over use. The history of MLB is littered with them by the way, heck, Bobby Cox alone must have ruined a couple of dozen arms during his tenure.

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  15. 23 Vox O'Reasoñ November 12, 2019 at 7:56 pm

    Thoppy must read the ol B&S.

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  16. 25 Gordon Lawrence November 12, 2019 at 11:22 pm

    Still think they need CHRIS MARTIN.
    After all, KOLBY ALLARD went away for his rental.
    Guess they think he’ll want too much for too long.
    The old waiting game begins I suppose with MARTIN.
    But yeah, SP, and not just a dumpster dive.
    A real number one starter to run with SOROKA, FRIED, FOLTYNEWICZ, and hopefully one of WILSON/TOUSSAINT/ANDERSON/WRIGHT/WEIGEL.
    Catching, TRAVIS d’ARNAUD has been kicked around.
    Some have said he’s a bad framer.
    I don’t know.
    Frankly, I’m more concerned about 3B and the OF.
    AUSTIN RILEY isn’t ready unless he becomes his first half self, and not the second half stranger none of us recognized.
    I’m sure JOSH DONALDSON wants that three year mega retirement check.
    MOOSE MOUSTAKAS might be the one for 2020 while we continue waiting for RILEY or CAMARGO to step up.
    I don’t think WATERS and PACHE will be ready until 2021.
    Not off last year’s results at any rate.
    I don’t think AA believes it either.
    Enter NICK MARKAKIS on another one-year.
    ENDER, ACUNA, MARKAKIS and RILEY look like the outfield at the moment with MATT JOYCE the odd-man out.

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  17. 28 Vox O'Reasoñ November 13, 2019 at 8:25 am

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  18. 29 Vox O'Reasoñ November 13, 2019 at 8:28 am

    Manager prediction scorecard update:

    Angels = Joe Maddon ✓
    Cubs = David Ross ✓
    Giants = Gabe Kapler ✓
    Mets = Joe Girardi Carlos Beltrán
    Padres = Jayce Tingler ✓
    Phils = Buck Showalter Joe Girardi
    Pirates = Jeff Banister
    Royals = Mike Matheny ✓

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  19. 30 Vox O'Reasoñ November 13, 2019 at 9:47 am

    We have debated here ad nauseum the benefits of having Josh Donaldson in the lineup vs. a lesser option in veteran Mike Moustakas or in-house options Austin Riley or Johan Camargo.

    It’s certainly a valid debate, and one that will continue until players begin to sign and the dominoes start to fall.

    But I read a statement this morning that was one man’s opinion, yet it stuck with me like a hair on a biscuit. He said, “The benefit to letting Donaldson sign elsewhere would be the ability to acquire two of the top free agent pitchers on the market.”

    Make no mistake, AA will acquire at least 1 name-worthy pitcher, either through trade or Free Agency. Many national writers believe that a union of Braves and MadBum is a great likelihood. I even saw a poll on MLBTR yesterday where 39.3% of fans believe Bum will sign here, far outpacing the next highest team (Giants) at 11.4%.

    Our local beat writers all believe that it’s even feasible for the team to sign both MadBum and the Bringer.

    But…

    If that were to happen, the remaining spending would be greatly muted. Our next catcher would likely come via trade and be a guy like the Jays’ Danny Jansen or Luke Maile. And Maile is a non-tender candidate anyway. The secondary pitcher would be of the flyer type, a #5 at best.

    But for the $25M AAV that JDon will cost, there is pitching available. There is good pitching available. For $25M AAV, you could probably sign Zack Wheeler.

    Now, there is the side debate over the draft picks lost to sign a FA with a QO attached. For the Braves, signing 1 of these FA’s will cost them their 3rd highest selection. But what if they were to sign 2? That would carry the additional cost of next year’s 3rd highest selection plus $500K. But don’t forget that if JD signs elsewhere, we gain a pick ourselves, thus this year’s draft pick cost becomes a wash. And next year is next year. So IMO, the draft pick cost should note even enter the debate. After all, are we trying to win this year or not?

    So I propose to you, who would you rather have on your team? MadBum, JDon and Wade Miley or Julio Teheran… or MadBum, Wheeler and Austin Riley?

    Thanks, JD. I loved your season here, and am one of your biggest fans. I appreciate everything you did for us in 2019.

    Give me the pitching.

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  20. 31 Vox O'Reasoñ November 13, 2019 at 10:36 am

    If anyone is interested, I have now made my 3rd mock roster for 2020, forfeiting signing a new 3B in favor of targeting 2 pitchers instead.

    I’ve also made a surprise mock trade.

    Notable signings now include both MadBum and Zack Wheeler. Also signed is catcher Jason Castro, known for his defense, and a LH bat to help balance the bottom of the lineup.

    My big trade sends Ender Inciarte and Kyle Wright for PIT for CF Starling Marté. Marté is under team control for just 2 more years, with 2021 being a team option. It lines up perfectly with Pache and Waters. And his offense helps mitigate losing JDon’s bat. Marté is a 2.9 WAR player who slashed .295/.342/.503 w/ 23 HR’s. His RH bat fits perfectly behind Freddie. And his high OBP helps to offset the swing-and-miss I get by sticking with with Riley at 3B. Also, if Pache is ready to come up mid-season, Marté slides to LF to accommodate.

    After trading Ender, I have $48,609,375 in guaranteed contracts, an estimated $25,300,000 for arb contracts, and an estimated $9,435,000 in pre-arb contracts, giving me a base amount of $83,344,375 before making additions. Said additions, including both new FA contracts plus Marté’s existing deal, add up to $62,500,000 in new money. That new money is broken down as follows:

    Signings:
    SP Zack Wheeler 5 yrs @ $20M AAV
    SP Madison Bumgarner 4 yrs @ $18M AAV
    RP Chris Martin 2 yrs @ $7M AAV
    C Jason Castro 2 yrs @ $5M AAV
    OF Matt Joyce 1 yr @ $1M

    Trade out:
    Ender Inciarte
    Kyle Wright

    Trade in:
    Starling Marté 1 yr @ $11.5M (with 2021 option @ $12.5M)

    For a total starting payroll of just $145,844,375, I can field this Opening Day lineup for 2020:

    Rotation:
    Zack Wheeler (R)
    Mike Soroka (R)
    Madison Bumgarner (L)
    Max Fried (L)
    Mike Foltynewicz (R)

    Bullpen:
    Mark Melancon (Closer)
    Shane Greene
    Chris Martin
    Sean Newcomb (L)
    Grant Dayton (L)
    Jacob Webb
    Darren O’Day
    Bryse Wilson

    Go-to Lineup:
    Ronald Acuña, Jr., RF (R)
    Ozzie Albies, 2B (S)
    Freddie Freeman, 1B (L)
    Starling Marté, CF (R)
    Nick Markakis, LF (L platoon)
    Austin Riley, 3B (R)
    Dansby Swanson, SS (R)
    Jason Castro, C (L)

    Bench:
    Tyler Flowers, C (R)
    Adam Duvall, LF (R platoon)
    Charlie Culberson, IF/OF (R)
    Johan Camargo, IF/OF (S)
    Matt Joyce, OF (L)

    Folks, I believe that dog will hunt. That is a dominating starting rotation, and the bullpen ain’t too shabby either.

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  21. 32 Vox O'Reasoñ November 13, 2019 at 11:04 am

    AA spoke to the media in Scottsdale yesterday, and here are some excerpts via beat writer Gabe Burns:

    When asked about Donaldson: “Normally I would speak on it, but I’m not going to get into free agents.” — He is obviously still stinging from the spanking he got from the player’s union last week.

    “The internal (options at 3B) are Riley and Camargo. So obviously if the season was to start today, those are the guys on the roster. They’d compete. We’ll see if we add from the outside.” — It’s good to have options.

    “Those are all nice things,” Anthopoulos said of starters with bigger resumes and track records. “But generally speaking, we just evaluate players based on what we think they’ll do for us. Added experience is always a nice thing to have. I wouldn’t say it drives anything but it’s better to have it than not.” — All typical GM-speak. He’s not going to say anything that can be misinterpreted. Especially after his lashing.

    “You’re hoping with all this other young talent we have on the mound, another one or two guys take a step forward. That might be spring training. It might be midseason. You don’t know when they’re going to come, but we do believe in the talent long-term.” — More typical GM-speak.

    Anthopoulos doesn’t feel this trade market is particularly different from past years.“Same as any other year. Sometimes names are reported correctly, incorrectly, but at the outset of the offseason, clubs are pretty open-minded about trades. It’s a long winter. We tend to forget this is just the beginning of it. Trades happen so late in the winter now, it just takes time. It doesn’t feel any different than past offseasons.” — Stealth GM reveals nothing.

    As for acquiring a player with only a year or two left on his deal: “It all depends on who the player is. You’re always weighing short-term, long-term. You’d rather get players with control, but if you feel like at that acquisition cost, even if it’s a short-term player – you’d prefer not to have a player short term, but we don’t have any set rules. We’re open to anything. Generally speaking, everyone would rather have more control.” — More typical GM-speak. Maintaining his ninja reputation.

    Anthopoulos was clear they want their young backstops to be depth, not relied upon. They’re searching for a veteran player to join Flowers.“I don’t know who that’s going to be yet. That’s obviously on our list. We’d like for our kids to be our depth. (Alex) Jackson right now is our next man up. (William) Contreras is eligible to be put on the 40-man this offseason. But we’d like to get someone with experience, established and so on.” — That is about as specific as anything we’ll hear him say all offseason, but it’s not anything we didn’t already know.

    So in other words, we don’t know anything more after his media time than we did before. And we don’t know anything more from my post than we did before. And if it weren’t for the time I have invested in typing this all out, I’d just delete it. But it’s already here, so here it is.

    I apologize. This is alot of words with no real information revealed. Just like most of today’s media.

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  22. 33 berigan2electricboogaloo November 13, 2019 at 11:34 am

    As for Folty, just remember this, Corey Kluber when he was 26, was 2-5 with a 5.12 era. Wasn’t til he was 27 he turned it around. well, 11-5 3.85. Not really ace yet, was he? 28 , 18-9., 2.44 ERA. what are you going to realistically get for Folty? besides a bit of savings?

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    • 34 Vox O'Reasoñ November 13, 2019 at 11:40 am

      what are you going to realistically get for Folty? besides a bit of savings?

      You don’t trade him just for the sake of trading him… but you aren’t afraid to include him if it’s necessary.

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  23. 35 Vox O'Reasoñ November 13, 2019 at 1:01 pm

    Alot of chatter today about the Astros cheating scandal.

    And in case you haven’t heard the details, former ‘Stros pitcher Mike Fiers yesterday admitted on the record that the Astros had a camera set up in CF that sent a special video feed to a monitor in the hallway just outside their dugout during their successful World Series run in 2017. The video feed zoomed in on the opposing catcher to pick up his signs. Once those signs were put down, ‘Stros staff in the hallway would bang on garbage cans to signal to the batter which pitches were coming.

    Y’all, that’s egregious.

    I know sign stealing has been going on since signs started being used. And I always feel what a team can pick up on between the lines is their own business. By the same token, if a pitcher takes offense to a baserunner relaying signs to a batter, that pitcher has the right to, uh… “correct” said baserunner next time he comes up to the plate. It’s called gamesmanship.

    But setting up a camera in CF is another matter. That’s just plain cheating… period.

    What I want to know is this: When all the info comes down, and we know who knew what and when they knew it… what punishment will MLB hand down? And if you want to know why it matters to me… well, I can sum it up in 2 words: John Coppolella. Yes, Coppy was stupid, and he cheated. And he paid a hefty price for it. He’s been banned for life from the game he loves. But did his cheating have a direct result in the outcome of a game? And not just any game, either. Did his cheating have a direct result on the outcome of a World Series game?

    If Coppy is banned for life for obtaining players that might, if they even make a ML lineup, might have an actual impact several years down the road – and at best they may help win an extra 5 or 6 games – then what will be the punishment for stealing a championship?

    I want to know.

    And if those with knowledge of those appalling activities aren’t given the same treatment John Coppolella got, then baseball needs to apologize to everyone in Braves Country, starting with Coppy himself.

    As a team, the Braves are still reeling from the effects of the int’l signing penalties. How will MLB punish the Astros as a team?

    I want to know.

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    • 36 carolinalady November 13, 2019 at 1:37 pm

      Heartily agree, V! That one is waaaay too far over the line! Shame on them. Next to the Braves, the Astros were my favorite team. I’m terribly disappointed in them. Integrity is far, far greater than any championship. If you have to cheat in order to win, you aren’t a champion. You’re just another cheat.

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    • 37 berigan2electricboogaloo November 13, 2019 at 1:50 pm

      interesting point V. Makes one wonder about how the Cards beat Folty and Friend like drums…I have wondered if at the very least they picked up something in their gloves to pitches, etc. Of course, thats legal, but if they did something like the ‘stros….

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    • 38 Gil in Mechanicsville November 13, 2019 at 5:52 pm

      Okay, I may be in the minority here but until MLB makes sign stealing against the rules, no rules were broken. If is officially against the rules, punish the front office.

      I have not forgotten the Twins turning on the AC when Braves were at bat (created resistance) and off when the Twinks came up to bat.

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  24. 39 Vox O'Reasoñ November 13, 2019 at 3:34 pm

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  25. 40 Vox O'Reasoñ November 13, 2019 at 4:36 pm

    Well, duh.

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    • 41 Vox O'Reasoñ November 13, 2019 at 4:40 pm

      It needs to be noted that JDon signed early last year… on Nov. 26 if I’m not mistaken. He’s obviously not afraid to strike ahead of the pack. If he sees a number he likes, he won’t necessarily wait for a “market to develop”. On the other hand, I’m sure he and AA have open communication, and that he’ll give AA the chance to match an enticing offer. The question is, will AA be willing to match?

      We’ll see, right?

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  26. 42 Vox O'Reasoñ November 13, 2019 at 4:51 pm

    Priority 1? Over pitching? Is that wise?

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  27. 43 Vox O'Reasoñ November 14, 2019 at 7:46 am

    Much manufactured chatter out there in the last couple of days.

    Yes, manufactured chatter. Basically, it’s a steady stream of writers telling you that teams have interest in certain players who could fill certain positions where they have an obvious need.

    Is it much ado about nothing, or much “duh” about everything?

    Or both?

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    • 44 Gil in Mechanicsville November 14, 2019 at 8:50 am

      “manufactured chatter” Also known as click bait…

      So, many folks would like to add high profile players to their inventory but truthfully, unless you are New York, Boston or LA, your fan base demographic doesn’t support the cost. Even so, tying up big money to pay a star player is like going all in on a full house. Yes, it is a winning hand in most cases but not in every case. We have seen what can happen with one up and in fastball too many times to think you are immune to catastrophe.

      As for the Braves third base situation, it is not as if they don’t have options.

      Speaking of which, whoever was the hitting instructor at Gwinnett, they don’t pay him enough.

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  28. 45 Gil in Mechanicsville November 14, 2019 at 8:55 am

    Sign stealing or tipping pitched??? Hard to know which is which these days. There is just too much money to leave things to chance. Everyone is looking for an edge. No wonder so may managers get fired each year.

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    • 46 Vox O'Reasoñ November 14, 2019 at 9:31 am

      I can’t tell you how many times I watched the Fox baseball TV broadcast, saw the catcher put down signs, and wondered why the opposing team didn’t have someone watching the same broadcast I was watching.

      If a pitcher is tipping his pitches, then he needs to fix it. If a catcher is allowing baserunners to pick up on his signs, then he needs to fix it. That’s on them. I’m not sure how you combat advanced technology, except the make the penalties so severe as to dissuade future attempts to use it. That’s one of the reasons I’m so interested to see how MLB handles this case. I won’t be surprised to see them really drop the hammer.

      And it goes beyond the Astros now.

      The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal and Evan Drellich were reporting last night that current Astros manager AJ Hinch, current BoSox manager Alex Cora, and newly minted Mets manager Carlos Beltrán are all in the crosshairs of MLB investigators. Both Cora and Beltrán were on the 2017 Astros team, Cora as bench coach and Beltrán as DH.

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  29. 47 Gordon Lawrence November 14, 2019 at 11:26 am

    A – Infield questions:
    Reading about landing spots for RENDON [29], DONALDSON [33], and MOUSTAKAS [31].
    1 – RENDON will want too long a contract for the BRAVES to pursue and for too much money.
    2 – DONALDSON has rejected a 17.8m QO with the BRAVES and is currently mulling other offers.
    Some prognosticators pontificate he will command 25m per for a minimum of four.
    That’s very rich territory for an infielder.
    Letting DONALDSON go, and getting back a draft pick is not the worse way to go for the BRAVES.
    We are beginning to feel the effects of the recruiting penalties, and an extra pick would be most beneficial.
    3 – The ATHLETIC seems to think Moose will sign with TEXAS for 36m over three years.
    Moose should be heavily pursued by ATLANTA.
    12m per for three is peanuts for the production he’s exhibited while in MILWAUKEE, plus he’s 31.
    I’ve been advocating for MOUSTAKAS since the WS was over.
    I do believe he is the one 3B we should invest in for the next several years.
    When the bidding is over, I could see him as a BRAVE @ 18 -19m per for three years.
    That would give requisite time for RILEY, and possibly ALEXANDER to develop in their own right.

    B – Catching:
    Beyond 3B, behind the plate we need yet another platoon partner for FLOWERS.
    Who?
    TRAVIS D’ARNAUD maybe.
    Other than pitch framing, I haven’t see too much negative regarding his play.
    I don’t see the crew letting both Moose and GRANDAL slip thru their fingers this off-season.

    C – Starting pitching:
    With KEUCHAL and TEHERAN gone, MIKE SOROKA [21], MAX FRIED [25], MIKE FOLTYNEWICZ [27], SEAN NEWCOMB [26] are what we have in starting pitching to begin the off-season.
    Not too shabby, but not quite what we need to win a WS.
    ZACH WHEELER [29] in the middle of the rotation could bring stability to the rotation to win it all in 2020.
    Not a top-flight #1 starter, but good enough to keep us in pressure games until the offense and bullpen take over.

    D – Relief pitching:
    CHRIS MARTIN [33] is a FA.
    Despite the cost, I still believe him to be the best of the late season gets for the ‘pen, and worth signing.
    SWARZAK is gone, and thank god for that.
    Despite being effective, MARK MELANCON [34] is showing his age, and SHANE GREENE [30] was just so-so.
    After finding his bearings, I firmly believe MARTIN was the one consistently effective relief arm we got in 2019.
    Outside of MARTIN, in FA WIL SMITH [29] comes to mind.
    Despite a mixed career, SMITH has been excellent as a closer of late.
    If SEAN NEWCOMB [26] moves back into the rotation, we would need another arm for the bullpen.
    With SMITH under contract, MELANCON [34] could be moved off the closer hot seat.
    In that case, we could put all our eggs in the SMITH-GREENE closer basket and let MARTIN walk.
    Down on the farm, PATRICK WEIGEL [25] showed enough as a recovering TJ arm to find a ‘pen job.
    JACOB WEBB [25] is a prospect worth keeping for 2020 as well.
    A.J. MINTER [25] had a horrific year, and may be done in the bullpen for 2020.
    LUKE JACKSON [27], and GRANT DAYTON [31], are arb eligible.
    Presumably, they will be signed, and DARREN O’DAY [36] has already been inked for 2020.
    JACKSON
    DAYTON
    O’DAY
    [SMITH]
    GREENE
    MELANCON
    WEIGEL
    WEBB
    might be the way we start 2020 in the bullpen.

    So four gets are needed, at least to my pea-brain:

    C – TRAVIS d’ARNAUD
    3B MIKE MOUSTAKAS
    SP – ZACH WHEELER
    RP – WIL SMITH

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    • 48 Vox O'Reasoñ November 14, 2019 at 11:35 am

      I like d’Arnaud more and more as I look at the field. I also like Moose and Wheeler. I’d prefer another starter over the reliever Smith. I believe the rotation to be key. And I think if we can bring Martin back into the fold we have a fairly stout bullpen. We definitely can address the pen with internal options better than we can the rotation.

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    • 49 Gil in Mechanicsville November 14, 2019 at 4:41 pm

      Starting pitching:… Everyone should keep in mind the old adage, Any team planning to be competitive for a title and thus the World Series, they must have at least 7 major league ready pitchers in their inventory.

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  30. 50 Vox O'Reasoñ November 14, 2019 at 11:31 am

    What if…

    What if the Braves spend big to bring back the Bringer Of Rain, as they have apparently made their priority? What if they do that, and the consequences are that they can only sign 1 free agent pitcher? What if they aren’t willing to spend what it will take to pay both BOR and one of the top 4 pitchers, being Gerrit Cole, Stephen Strasburg, Zack Wheeler or Madison Bumgarner? What if the best they can do is Kyle Gibson or Michael Pineda, a #3 at best on the current staff.

    Could the Braves roll with a rotation of Soroka, Fried, Pineda, Folty and one of Newcomb/Wright/Wilson?

    I think AA wants to bring back the Bringer, add Mad, and steal Wheels. But I don’t know that Liberty Media, er… I mean Terry McGuirk will sign off on it. Because McGuirk has autonomy to make he decisions, right? R-i-g-h-t.

    I worry that AA is still capped below what we are guessing. After all, until Liberty Media proves otherwise, the ownership track record is to limit the financial freedom.

    But… we are just guessing. It’d just be nice to have a clue.

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  31. 51 Vox O'Reasoñ November 14, 2019 at 11:41 am

    The wild card in all our prognosticating is the trade market. AA isn’t going to try to plug all of our holes through FA spending. It just isn’t practical to try to do so. There will be a trade; maybe more than just 1. And to whom for whom is the great mystery. It’s even a mystery as to which position(s) might be addressed via trade.

    I imagine we’ll stay pretty much in the cold until much closer to the Winter Meetings next month. There might be a random FA spark before then, but those meetings are typically when the wood in the stove begins to catch fire.

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  32. 52 Vox O'Reasoñ November 14, 2019 at 1:43 pm

    Is there a Carolina Lady impostor among us? We all know there is only one Carolina Lady, yet two are appearing. A clone? A minion? A wannabe?

    Surely there is a more reasonable explanation that I’m missing…

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  33. 56 berigan2electricboogaloo November 14, 2019 at 2:00 pm

    according to MLBTB “experts” more teams this year than last are under pressure to take it to the next level. Padres, White Sox, Rangers, and of course the Phillies still… Twins may for once splurge .. and some of those teams won’t lose a #1 draft pick either..so…unless you are willing to outbid, go more years, things I just cannot see ownership allowing that to happen, we may not be able to get what we want. (I do believe the Stones said something a bit like that before in a song)
    Ok, I think I mentioned this before….let’s say you want to go the trade route then. Who is a 1, 1a kind of guy that some team is going to give up for a few of our prized prospects? Kluber if Cleveland is truly willing to let him go, and??????

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    • 57 Vox O'Reasoñ November 14, 2019 at 2:59 pm

      Well, it’s not a #1 you lose, but your 3rd highest pick. Still a high one, but not a #1…

      But think of it this way. If you make a trade, you have to give up something too, right? It might be a current player, or a prospect. But it’s an asset either way. And maybe even one that is proven to be of major league quality.

      If I identify a guy that I think will help me win now, I don’t want to get too hung up on a draft pick that might not even pan out in the end anyway.

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    • 60 Vox O'Reasoñ November 14, 2019 at 3:00 pm

      One more thing…

      If I were in charge, I’d buy my pitchers and trade for my hitters. But that’s just me.

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  34. 61 Vox O'Reasoñ November 14, 2019 at 2:54 pm

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  35. 63 Vox O'Reasoñ November 14, 2019 at 5:35 pm

    Wow!! Totally unexpected!

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  36. 64 Vox O'Reasoñ November 14, 2019 at 5:53 pm

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  37. 65 Vox O'Reasoñ November 14, 2019 at 5:59 pm

    Wonder if adding the talented lefty will enable the Braves to transition Newk back to the rotation? Probably can’t add 2 starters now.

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  38. 66 Gordon Lawrence November 15, 2019 at 1:18 am

    RP – SMITH
    C – WEITERS
    3B – MOUSTAKAS
    SP – trade

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  39. 67 Gil in Mechanicsville November 15, 2019 at 7:45 am

    Oh no, not Weiters….

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    • 68 Gordon Lawrence November 15, 2019 at 9:40 am

      What’s wrong with WEITERS?
      16 HR, .748 OPS in 2019

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      • 69 Gordon Lawrence November 15, 2019 at 9:45 am

        Anyway I ranked my FA choices
        i – TRAVIS d’ARNAUD
        ii – MATT WEITERS
        iii – AUSTIN ROMINE
        used to date a ROMINE transplant from SEVEIRVILLE, TENNESSEE in college. Always said she went to school with DOLLY PARTON.

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      • 70 Gil in Mechanicsville November 15, 2019 at 9:52 am

        What, you didn’t see him play for the O’s or the gNats? Not a very good receiver nor a clutch hitter. I would rather have Cervilli back.

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  40. 71 Gil in Mechanicsville November 15, 2019 at 8:00 am

    I was thinking about the article on the AJC this morning discussing the Braves current and projected payroll. My thoughts are how management has been able to manipulate the thought processes of Atlanta fans into believing they are too poor to afford high priced players.

    It is like living in a Dilbert cartoon…. A sign in a speed shop I once frequented read ” Speed cost money, how fast do you want to go?” Well, how bad do they want to win? Now, I am a realist and I do understand the economics of the game but I also know a winning team is wealthier than a perennial loser. TV revenue, gate prices, attendance, concessions and club house store sale all play a part.

    If Washington can afford it with one of the smallest fan base in the country, surely Atlanta can stay in the game. So, what is not being figured is how much is the Atlanta franchise really worth? Double the Miami franchise I would bet. If Tampa is ever granted permission to leave, it would be worth more as a large portion of their fan base would be returned.

    So, Liberty Media, if you are worried about the cost, sell the team, I am pretty sure you will recover your investment but to be honest, I am sick to death with the Braves always crying “poor mouth” …

    The do not have to pay stupid money but they do have to pay competitive wages to have a winner.

    Stepping off my soap box now.

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    • 72 Vox O'Reasoñ November 15, 2019 at 8:43 am

      So, Liberty Media, if you are worried about the cost, sell the team, I am pretty sure you will recover your investment

      They have this team for the tax advantages. That’s all. There is also the fact that they themselves are a media conglomerate. If they can wait out the horrible, almost scandalous TV deal the Braves are currently saddled with, they can reap a major windfall by owning their own programming.

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    • 73 Vox O'Reasoñ November 15, 2019 at 8:45 am

      That said, as a pure free market economy advocate, I do not begrudge then the freedom to use their asset to the highest possible profit margin they choose. That’s their business. But it does suck for the consumer for sure.

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    • 74 Vox O'Reasoñ November 15, 2019 at 9:27 am

      Gil, I think the most important paragraph in that whole article is this one:

      Exactly how [the Braves have left to spend] much isn’t clear because (a) the Braves don’t disclose their budget in advance and haven’t said if the payroll will increase significantly from the 2019 level, which ranked 14th among MLB teams; (b) the Braves typically set aside some of their budget for in-season additions; and (c) trades and non-tenders could free up additional money by shedding salaries.

      In other words, as much as we want to speculate on how much they will or won’t spend, we have no idea what they might actually do. Just because they were 14th in spending in 2019 doesn’t mean they are targeting to sit right in the middle again. We simply have no idea.

      I may absolutely choose to grouse and moan in February if the payroll hasn’t improved, and consequently neither has the team. But I think there’s at least an equal chance for the Braves to surprise me and move up in the line.

      And to be honest, I believe yesterday’s surprising – almost shocking – signing portends a more positive outcome. For AA to publicly state that the rotation and 3B are his priorities, then land a big fish for the bullpen leads me to believe he still intends to do something significant for the rotation at the very least.

      And my mantra still holds: Buy pitching; trade for hitting.

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      • 75 Gordon Lawrence November 15, 2019 at 9:37 am

        I remember feeling that way after the DONALDSON signing last year.
        I hope AA realizes now that he was one dollar and one day short of a WS championship with that one big move.
        Come on GM, bust a move one more time at 3B, C, or SP.
        Gotta’ up the ante a notch, and we should be in the fall classic.

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        • 76 Vox O'Reasoñ November 15, 2019 at 10:06 am

          Yes, and their 2019 payroll number was a fair bit higher than their 2018 number, too.

          Not counting mid-season additions, 2018 Opening Day payroll: $130,649,395
          Not counting mid-season additions, 2019 Opening Day payroll: $143,947,963

          … or an additional $13,298,568. And that was before we added Melancon ($14M) and friends mid-season.

          If we can add another $13M to last year, that’ll give us much closer to $160M, which is a very fair amount to work with.

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  41. 77 Gil in Mechanicsville November 15, 2019 at 8:32 am

    Now some “stuff”… While I know Gordon is a fan of the Spiders, I am a proud peacock today following VCU’s 84-82 win over #23 ranked LSU Wed night. That is a pretty major win for a mid major.

    Okay, back to baseball…

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    • 78 Gordon Lawrence November 15, 2019 at 9:32 am

      Now GIL I was a b-ball season multi-ticket holder of the RAMS from 1977 to 1992. In 1992, it was becoming increasingly expensive to own blocks of them, and my wife went to work at the University of Richmond. She like basketball, and wanted to retain the U of R tix, so I acceded to her wishes, and dropped the dozen I had from VCU.
      Over the years I enjoyed JESSE DARK, BERNIE HARRIS, GERALD HENDERSON, “Easy” ED SHEROD, and coach J.D. BARNETT’s adapted use of the “Mongoose” offense played to perfection without a shot clock. Anyway, since becoming a grad of RICHMOND, and VIRGINIA COMMONWEALTH being a power in the same conference, I’ve been a Spider loser. At this point in my life, the old edge of collegiate competition is gone, and I’m only left with memories of “The Doctor” JULIUS ERVING down at the coliseum.
      Still, as an old supported, I feel your pride in the victory over a perennial power in collegiate athletics.
      My oldest grandson took his first recruiting trip to the VCU campus to meet the now deceased HC of the RAMS back in 2013.

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  42. 79 Gordon Lawrence November 15, 2019 at 9:11 am

    They got some relief from the original contract a couple years back.
    My thinking as to specifics is fuzzy because my short-term memory isn’t what it used to be.
    The original egregious contract runs out in 2027 I believe.

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  43. 80 Vox O'Reasoñ November 15, 2019 at 10:00 am

    I have poured over the numbers more times than any sane person should, and I understand where the payroll sits prior to any moves (any more moves) this offseason. There is still room to spend, whether those contract come via FA or trade.

    Plus, the addition of Smith eliminates any chance of the team bringing Chris Martin back, and that was going to eat about $7M out of my mock planned budget for 2020.

    Will Smith’s new deal will pay him $13M in 2020, just $6M more than Martin is projected to earn, and about what AA would pay for a veteran “innings eater” to pair with his splashy starter. For instance, Cole Hamels is projected to earn $15M next year.

    I think there is at least a fair to middling chance AA opts to spend more on pitching than the lineup. I believe all the chatter regarding Josh Donaldson coming back home is simply Alex putting out typical GM spin on his own star FA. All GM’s say they want their stars back. If history has told us anything with our current GM, he’ll practice wise stewardship with his resources, regardless of how much or little he has to spend.

    I no longer believe he’ll give JDon the $45M over 3 years he’ll command elsewhere… and that number may be conservative. AA won’t do that when he can spend more wisely on Mike Moustakas at the most, or simply Johan Camargo and Austin Riley at the least.

    Which combination will give the Braves a greater chance at more wins… both in the regular season and in the post-season: Soroka/Bumgarner/Hamels/Fried/Folty with Moose at 3B, or Soroka/Bumgarner/Fried/Folty/Wade Miley with JDon at 3B?

    Give me the strong rotation!

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  44. 82 Vox O'Reasoñ November 15, 2019 at 10:00 am

    MLBTR ranks the following FA’s as follows, with salary projections and 2019 stats:
    5. Josh Donaldson, 3B = 3 yrs / $75M ($25M AAV), 2019: .259/.379/.521, 37 HR
    8. Nicholas Castellanos, LF = 4 yrs / $58M ($14.5M AAV), 2019: .321/.356/.646, 36 HR
    18. Mike Moustakas, 3B = 2 yrs / $20M ($10M AAV), 2019: .254/.329/.516, 35 HR

    I threw the OF’er Castellanos in for comparison purposes of what you can “buy” a cleanup hitter for.

    You can pay both Hamels and Moose for what JDon will cost. I’ll take that option please.

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    • 83 Gil in Mechanicsville November 15, 2019 at 10:09 am

      Or you could still play Camargo at third. Not like he isn’t a good fielder. I know, he makes for a stronger bench but you have to back fill where you can.

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      • 84 Gil in Mechanicsville November 15, 2019 at 10:15 am

        Signing Castellanos would make Riley available for trade. I expect he will get some of his late season failings under control this winter. He had trouble recognizing the steady diet of down and away sliders he was being throw which contributed to his slide. He is a young kid who did not see the same level of pitching expertise in Triple A as he became exposed in the Show. He did have a pretty amazing month though.

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        • 85 Vox O'Reasoñ November 15, 2019 at 10:19 am

          Signing Castellanos would make Riley available for trade.

          Adding Castellanos’ power to LF would also make it easier to play Camargo’s glove at 3B until such time Riley might be ready… if he’s not traded.

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  45. 86 Gil in Mechanicsville November 15, 2019 at 10:05 am

    Okay, back to baseball…. Yes, it was indeed a surprise to sign Will Smith and a pleasant one at that. It also means that bringing back Martin might not be in the cards. It also keeps the gNats and the Phillies from boosting their shaky bullpens with a very strong lefty.

    It also increases the possibility that Melancon could be traded or included as part of a deal to pare payroll room. I am not so sure Mark is a guy you need to bring in except to start off with a clean inning. Lots of moving parts this time of the year.

    Did MLB change the reliever rules for 2020 so a pitcher had to face more than one batter?

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    • 87 Vox O'Reasoñ November 15, 2019 at 10:12 am

      Yes, beginning in 2020, all pitchers will be required to pitch to a 3-batter minimum or though the end of a half-inning, with exceptions for injuries or “incapacitating illness”.

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      • 88 Gil in Mechanicsville November 15, 2019 at 10:19 am

        Well, bullpen arms just became more valuable didn’t they? No more loogies? I guess MLB didn’t think there was enough offense with just the juiced baseballs… Look for them to squelch the shift next .

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    • 89 Vox O'Reasoñ November 15, 2019 at 10:17 am

      It also means that bringing back Martin might not be in the cards.

      Definitely not happening now.

      It also increases the possibility that Melancon could be traded or included as part of a deal

      That was one of the first things I thought when I heard about the Smith deal. And Mark would be a very good ingredient to help bring back a starting catcher or OF’er in a trade.

      I am not so sure Mark is a guy you need to bring in except to start off with a clean inning.

      I have to admit that while I do believe he did a very good job for us after he got here last year, I was never comfortable when he came into a game until that last out was recorded.

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      • 90 Gil in Mechanicsville November 15, 2019 at 10:23 am

        Whether rightly or wrongly, I still would rather have a swing and miss guy pitching the ninth. So many things can go wrong with a batted ball put in play. I still have nightmares over Brooks Conrad in the field. The ball somehow always found him no matter where he was inserted in the infield.

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  46. 91 Vox O'Reasoñ November 15, 2019 at 10:22 am

    I just had a thought…

    While unlikely, if the Braves were to sign Mike Moustakas and Nick Castellanos, to go with Nick Markakis, they might run out of K’s and S’s in the uniform room. 😆

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  47. 95 Vox O'Reasoñ November 15, 2019 at 10:33 am

    Bowman: By signing Will Smith, the Braves strengthened their bullpen and provided more indication they will remain aggressive while addressing their other definitive needs

    I hope his assessment is correct.

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  48. 96 Vox O'Reasoñ November 15, 2019 at 10:38 am

    Roster Resource projects Luke Jackson is projected to earn $1.9M in his first trip to arb. I wonder if the Braves will consider him displaced in the bullpen now and choose to non-tender him so as to redirect that $2M elsewhere?

    If I were him I wouldn’t be signing any long term apartment leases.

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  49. 98 Vox O'Reasoñ November 15, 2019 at 11:10 am

    Did it go unnoticed here in Braves Country that the Blue Jays met with FA catcher Yasmani Grandal a few days ago?

    Why should that interest us? Because the Jays have a couple of interesting young backstops already on their roster in Danny Jansen and Reese McGuire.

    Jansen is just 24 and handled the bulk of the work behind the plate for the Jays last season catching 107 games, but slashing just .207/.279/.360 with 13 HR’s. Still he reportedly showed excellent defensive prowess in his 1st full MLB campaign… both StatCorner and Baseball Prospectus rank Jansen as one of the league’s best pitch-framers, with BP also highly praising his blocking skills.

    McGuire, also 24, got a good taste of MLB last season when he slashed .299/.346/.526 with 5 HR’s in 30 games. But he’s not necessarily known for his offense. His prospect profile says: Defense will always be the driving force behind McGuire’s game. He’s an excellent blocker and receiver, who’s been praised for his game-calling and feel for managing a pitching staff at every stop in his career. His arm strength is above-average but plays up because he’s technically sound, he has a quick release and consistently delivers accurate throws. Still, he has shown he could be a capable hitter in his brief audition, as is evidenced by the above numbers.

    Defense got each of these youngsters to The Show, so any offense you get from either of them is probably a bonus. If the Braves covet a defense-first catcher, one of these kids could fit the bill. And both are still in their pre-arb years, meaning they would be cheap.

    I’ll take either of these defensive youngsters to solidify my catching and enhance my up-the-middle defense.

    The Jays need starting pitching, and are losing their closer in FA. Wonder where they might find those things? If they are willing to take the entirety of Melancon’s $14M deal, they might get Kyle Wright to go along with him. That could be a win for both sides.

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  50. 99 Gordon Lawrence November 15, 2019 at 11:29 am

    BULLPEN:
    I’m assuming the two arb eligibles will be included in the spring bullpen.
    LUKE JACKSON [27]
    GRANT DAYTON [31]
    DARREN O’DAY [36] signed
    SHANE GREENE [30] under contract
    MARK MELANCON [34] under contract
    now WIL SMITH [29] signed for three
    PATRICK WEIGEL [25] showing signs of his old self before TJ
    JACOB WEBB [25] excellent in ATLANTA in 2019
    SEAN NEWCOMB [26] to the rotation
    CHRIS MARTIN [33] to the bricks
    CHAD SOBOTKA [25] repeat the course in AAA
    Zerox A.J. MINTER [25]
    HUSCAR YNOA [21] ready five in GWINNETT
    Pen got younger for longer and more effective off history with SMITH in and MARTIN out.

    ROTATION:
    MIKE SOROKA [22]
    MAX FRIED [25]
    MIKE FOLTYNEWICZ [27]
    SEAN NEWCOMB [26]
    I believe a trade to bring in a strong mid-rotation arm.
    Don’t know who.
    JULIO TEHERAN only as a last gasp fall-back move if still on the market.
    Both ZACH WHEELER [my choice] and MADISON BUMGARNER are QO’d.
    Out of the running now that the BRAVES lost a Comp B pick with WIL SMITH in the house.

    3B:
    I firmly believe they will go hard after MIKE MOUSTAKAS early.
    If successful, they will let DONALDSON move on.
    To my mind, it’s all about the draft pick they get back if JD moves on.
    The BRAVES need picks while under this restriction.
    They probably have a verbal understanding that DONALDSON will continue to field offers until AA makes a decision on Moose, but with an early deadline.
    If nothing transpires with Moose, BRAVES will eat the draft loss and re-sign JD.
    JOHAN CAMARGO makes the bench.
    AUSTIN RILEY platoons in LF or reports to AAA.

    CATCHER:
    my three choices;
    i – TRAVIS d’ARNAUD [30] 16 HR .745 OPS – I think him an upgrade because of age.
    retired – BRIAN McCANN [35] 12 HR .734 OPS.
    ii – AUSTIN ROMINE [30] 8 HR .748 OPS 2019 – ditto.
    iii- MATT WEITERS [33] 11 HR .702 OPS 2019 – a last resort placeholder.

    OUTFIELD:
    LF NICK MARKAKIS/ADAM DUVALL or AUSTIN RILEY
    My chips on DUVALL with RILEY repeating the course on AAA.
    AUSTIN needs AB’s to get right at the plate.
    CF ENDER INCIARTE
    RF RON ACUNA Jr/MATT JOYCE
    26 players in 2020.
    DREW WATERS apprenticing in AAA
    CRISTIAN PACHE apprenticing in AAA

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    • 100 Vox O'Reasoñ November 15, 2019 at 12:28 pm

      I like d’Arnaud. Good value for $7M. Slashed .251/.312/.433 with 14 HR’s in 2019, as compared to Mac’s .249/.323/.412 and 12. And as Gordon stated, at age 30 he can catch 120 games. His offense aside, he threw out an above average 29% of would-be basestealers last season and has long been considered an average or better pitch framer, a quality we know is coveted by this organization.

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  51. 101 Vox O'Reasoñ November 15, 2019 at 2:23 pm

    I keep hearing Mike Moustakas’ name gaining momentum. I am starting to think that 2 yrs / $20M is gonna fall short. He’ll likely get a higher value over 2, or 3 yrs / $30.

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    • 102 Vox O'Reasoñ November 15, 2019 at 2:25 pm

      I’d offer him 3 yrs / $30M early, and see if he’d bite on the extra guaranteed year. Then if Riley is ready to step up in 2021, you still have 2 years of control and cost certainty as a trade asset.

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      • 103 Gil in Mechanicsville November 15, 2019 at 3:09 pm

        Yes, reasonable contracts are always in demand. Would not be surprised to see Camargo in as a defensive sub in games late if Moose is opted for.

        I don’t think there is any question Donaldson will get a strong offer. We will not see a repeat of 2019 in the free agent market. As far as bringing him back vs a 2nd roundish draft pick, a win-win for the Braves. I just don’t want to see him going to Philly.

        He won’t go to Washington because Rendon will re-sign with the gNats.

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  52. 105 Gil in Mechanicsville November 15, 2019 at 3:12 pm

    So… how many folks in baseball punditry took notice of the Braves signing of Will Smith? Do y’all think it moved the needle on the Braves repeat-o-meter?

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  53. 107 Vox O'Reasoñ November 15, 2019 at 3:16 pm

    OK, so deviating from the sane to the not-so-sane…

    I just read a fantasy (not in the baseball sense) trade on another site. How realistic would this be?

    This guy used an online tool called Baseball Trade Values to put together this “blockbuster” trade between the Braves and Cubs. He’s says: “With five years of control combined between them, [3B Kris] Bryant and [C Willson] Contreras have a combined value of 43.2. The haul the Cubs would get back would be Bryse Wilson (15.1), Touki Toussaint (11.7), Tucker Davidson (9.9), Patrick Weigel (3.7), and Grayson Jenista (3.3). That equals 43.7.”

    First, there has been some media speculation that the Cubs could trade one of those two veterans to help bolster their upper minors. No one has even whispered they’d trade both. And all of it is pure speculation. But even if they would do the inconceivable and trade both… for that group of prospects?

    Yes please. I’d do that deal all day long.

    It’ll never happen. I don’t even know why I’m wasting my time and typing to post this here.

    Feel free to ignore if you want.

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    • 108 Gil in Mechanicsville November 15, 2019 at 3:29 pm

      Hey, it is almost winter and there is little else to do unless you are a political wonk and you like making up stuff…

      However, I would not be at all surprised to see a deal made for either Bryant or Contreras. Either one would fill a need and Bryse Wilson could be a logical part of the package. It is still so early though and I know agents are loath to sign too quickly. It is a tricky game of chicken methinks…

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  54. 110 Vox O'Reasoñ November 15, 2019 at 3:21 pm

    Bowman:

    Q: Does the signing of Will Smith mean the Braves are out on Josh Donaldson?

    A: Absolutely not. You can’t make this kind of financial commitment to your bullpen and then ignore the gaping hole that would exist if Donaldson doesn’t return. By signing Smith to his three-year, $40 million deal on Thursday, the Braves actually provided indication they will spend more freely this offseason.

    Let’s hope he’s correct in his assessment.

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    • 111 Gordon Lawrence November 15, 2019 at 7:26 pm

      I would only stretch the $$$ that far in an extremity.
      By that I mean, AA is undoubtedly exploring exceptional bats like DONALDSON’s [MOUSTAKAS being one] that are millions cheaper that JD’s.
      If that fails in the month of November, he may give a thumbs up to DONALDSON and see if he is willing to remain a BRAVE.
      If so, he will have a best offer in hand to show AA.
      If not the BRAVES are in the extremity.
      They might have to drastically overpay a FA, or enter into a one-sided trade to patch the hole in the line-up created by DONALDSON’s absence.
      Meanwhile, I can see a trade for a starting arm, and a FA offer to a catcher.
      As for me, the sooner the better.

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  55. 112 Gil in Mechanicsville November 16, 2019 at 7:52 am

    One thing I have noticed is if you can get a player to sign sooner rather than later, you are more inclined to reap a bargain because as the selection lessens, the desperation is increased. I know we all pretty much were underwhelmed when AA signed J-Don last fall but after struggling early, he made most of us believers.

    So what is plan B? I am incline to believe The Braves are in better shape than most. What we don’t know is how much Riley’s injury affected him. Will he recognize the down and away breaking pitch enough to lay off of it? I think the real key is to be willing to go the other way more often. Same would be true for Acuna, ROJ would be a consistent 300 plus hitter if he would just cut down on his swing a tad.

    Too many time a kid falls in love with distance over consistency but wall scrapers count just as much as those monmouth 450 footers he so like to admire. The tip off is the act of going to his knees after a swing. A pitcher loves to see that effort because it makes a batter susceptible to off speed stuff.

    A lessor name to consider might be Turner who has run out his string in LA.

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  56. 114 Gordon Lawrence November 17, 2019 at 12:12 pm

    Lifted this from my comment on TOMAHAWK TAKE this a.m.
    Major needs for 2020, to my mind at least.
    In order of import, I believe:
    1 – Starting pitcher not named JULIO TEHERAN or DALLAS KEUCHEL.
    My chips are on ZACH WHEELER.
    Unfortunately, it appears that to secure him, AA has to make a move at 3B.
    Pitching is the one main area where a trade might be in the offing.
    2 – 3B
    I believe AA is heavily pursuing a replacement for JOSH DONALDSON.
    JD wants a huge retirement contract to lean on as he ages, hopefully gracefully.
    I think too much per year and for too long for AA to commit LIBERTY MEDIA’s $$$.
    My chips are on MIKE MOUSTAKAS @ 18 m for three with a fourth-year club option, and a buy-out if rejected.
    There are other bats I’m sure of which I am unaware.
    I don’t think that’s the case for AA and his staff.
    At any rate, letting DONALDSON walk brings with it a draft pick, sorely needed by the organization.
    Doubly so if a major trade involves minor’s talent for SP, or 3B.
    BRAVES get younger at 3B, and cheaper than DONALDSON would want.
    3 – Catcher
    I’ve ranked three in order of my personal preference.
    Any one of the following FA’s would fit I believe.
    a – TRAVIS d”ARNAUD [30]
    b – AUSTIN ROMINE [30]
    c – MATT WEITERS [33]
    With the first two, we get younger and cheaper.
    MATT WEITERS I would consider a placeholder only.
    4 – Outfield
    I do not believe the BRAVES are going to trade for a top-flight OF’er with three and possibly four OF prospects on the vine, two of whom are in AAA now.
    CRISTIAN PACHE [AAA] rated best defensive CF’er in the minors, possibly in the majors as well.
    DREW WATERS [AAA] higher rated bat with corner OF potential.
    TREY HARRIS [AA] ditto WATERS.
    GRAYSON JENISTA [AA] more problematic.
    Needs to step up offensively in 2020.
    His 2019 was lackluster in AA.
    If a trade, my horses would be INCIARTE and HARRIS.
    I don’t believe JENISTA’s value is high at this point.
    HARRIS is, but he’s in AA.
    INCIARTE is struggling offensively because of a bad back.
    He needs a solid spring to awaken interest by others, but I do believe he should be traded after 2020.
    Yes, DUVALL, MARKAKIS, RILEY in left is enough to give a BRAVES fan cold sweats, but may be necessary for one more year.
    Anyway my two cents on the four main areas that need to be addressed for 2020.

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  57. 119 Gil in Mechanicsville November 17, 2019 at 1:45 pm

    By the way, I am still a fan of Inciarte and agree he will likely get traded if for no other reason than to give room for payroll and allow Pache to play in 2020-21. I guess the dreaded “when healthy” tag might be attaching itself to Ender as far as value is concerned.

    I still shutter at the idea of adding Weiters to the Braves catching corps. No Charles Johnson is he…

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  58. 121 Vox O'Reasoñ November 17, 2019 at 7:34 pm

    Fangraphs ranked Matt Weiters 39th among all ML catchers in 2019.

    I’ll pass… thanks.

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  59. 122 Vox O'Reasoñ November 18, 2019 at 9:22 am

    MLB giving the finger to regular fans…

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  60. 123 Vox O'Reasoñ November 18, 2019 at 12:06 pm

    Very slow on the Braves news front… and really all MLB news. It will pick up a little bit Wednesday when the Rule 5 roster decisions have to be made. But honestly that’s just a bit of a ripple. I advise everyone to find a hobby until the Winter Meetings begin on Dec. 8. The news creep is likely to continue until then.

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  61. 124 Gordon Lawrence November 18, 2019 at 12:30 pm

    If negotiations hold up between MLB and MiLB, the APPALACHIAN and PIONEER Leagues would completely disappear.
    The BRAVES evidently want to scrap DANVILLE Rookie+, and FLORIDA A+.
    Didn’t somebody just build a brand new stadium in FLORIDA to accommodate the BRAVES’ affiliate?
    Who is on the hook for that chunk of change?
    I wonder if the BRAVES would transfer their GULF COAST LEAGUE affiliate in that event.
    Hey GIL we better head down to DANVILLE next season.
    It could be their last.
    Nice little ballfield down there BTW.

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    • 125 Vox O'Reasoñ November 18, 2019 at 1:02 pm

      The BRAVES evidently want to scrap DANVILLE Rookie+, and FLORIDA A+.

      Unless I’m mistaken, I don’t believe the Braves as an organization has anything to do with this. This is coming from the MLB executive offices. Certainly the Braves do not want to truncate their developmental system.

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    • 127 Gil in Mechanicsville November 19, 2019 at 8:48 am

      I look forward to it, perhaps we should look at doing a minor league tour. Even Colonial Whites is planning to have a minor league club next year and Fredricksburg’s new stadium should be done. Will be a gNats affiliate methinks. I know you went to Norfolk last year, would like to get an eyeball on some of the Braves youngsters (Waters and Pache).

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  62. 128 Gordon Lawrence November 18, 2019 at 9:40 pm

    GM hat on. Scenerio #2

    1 – SP trade
    RHSP KYLE WRIGHT
    RHRP TOUKI TOUSSAINT
    with CINCINNATI
    RHSP LUIS CASTILLO [26] 557,000 in 2019, new 1m contract arb 1 in 2020, control until 2024.
    2 – OF
    OF YASAIL PUIG [28] to a one-year 10m in 2020, .297 BA/.800 OPS in 2019 limited AB’s.
    One year not blocking PACHE or WATERS.
    Sign ADAM DUVALL [31] 3.8m in 2019, 4m in 2020, arb 3 in 2021, one year.
    ACUNA/INCIARTE/PUIG left to right.
    DUVALL/MARKAKIS bench – 26th player.
    MATT JOYCE walks.
    AUSTIN RILEY[22] to AAA to start the season.
    3 – 3B
    MIKE MOUSTAKIS [30] three-year 18m per contract with a fourth year club option and a substantial by-out.
    4 – C
    TRAVIS d’ARNAUD [30] three-year 1.5 m per with a fourth year club option and a minimal buyout.
    FLOWERS/d’ARNAUD platoon
    34.5 m in 2020
    107 now + 34.5 = 141.5m plus arb raises.

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  63. 129 Vox O'Reasoñ November 19, 2019 at 8:10 am

    Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported yesterday that the Braves have shown interest in signing former Card and playoff Braves killer OF Marcell Ozuna.

    If the Braves were to sign (or trade for) a proven power bat for the OF it would allow them to roll with Camargo and Riley at 3B. I don’t really see a downside to that strategy.

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    • 130 Gordon Lawrence November 19, 2019 at 9:13 am

      I don’t like seeing RILEY and CAMARGO as our main 3B options off last year’s results.
      OZUNA has a solid bat and just turned 29 this month.
      Vs SP, average in the low .240’s with a high .700’s OPS
      Spotrac contract 12.250 contract in 2019.
      Looking for his big payday, prolly 17-18m for three or four years.
      Blocks PACHE, WATERS, JENISTA, and HARRIS.
      I’d prefer a make good bat on a one-year deal that allows the BRAVES to go cheaper than DONALDSON at 3B, catcher, and in trade for SP.

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  64. 131 Gil in Mechanicsville November 19, 2019 at 9:00 am

    I wonder if the Braves would be willing to hire Barry Bonds to coach Ozuna? Puig??? LOL, would be a whole lot of fun in that outfield wouldn’t it?

    The player Puig reminds me of the most? None other than Mr. October himself. No, not for his home run prowess but just the general all around BS and controversy that always seems to follow him where ever he goes.

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  65. 134 Vox O'Reasoñ November 19, 2019 at 10:51 am

    I’ll skip skiing this year… and every year…

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  66. 135 Vox O'Reasoñ November 19, 2019 at 10:55 am

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  67. 136 Vox O'Reasoñ November 19, 2019 at 1:20 pm

    I’d prefer a make good bat on a one-year deal that allows the BRAVES to go cheaper than DONALDSON at 3B, catcher, and in trade for SP.

    What we do know for certain is that the Braves have to plug holes at 3B, C and 2 holes in the rotation. The big problem is that everyone from national writers to bloggers like us are speculating how to spend the remaining budget allotment, but nobody, and that’s NOBODY, has any idea what that amount is.

    As currently stands, after adding in the Will Smith deal, the payroll commitment for 2020 is at $113,725,375 after factoring in fair estimates for arb awards and such. [Payroll figure courtesy of Roster Resource.]

    If the Braves hold close to what they spent in 2019, then there is about $30M left to work with. If the powers that be choose to increase the overall payroll for 2020, obviously that adds to the amount left to work with. But no one knows this outside of Terry McGuirk, AA, and his staffers… his stealthy staffers.

    So for the purpose of this exercise, let’s operate on the low end and work with $30M.

    First, we can actually lose a little bit of that by non-tendering John Ryan Murphy (+/- $1.2M arb estimate) and Luke Jackson (+/- $1.9M arb estimate), one of which is certain, the other of which is plausible after adding to the bullpen via FA. Factor in as well that the writing is on the wall for Mark Melancon to be dealt. Teams all over the league are looking for back end relievers. Given the payroll restraints, whatever they may be, I cannot see the Braves paying 2 relievers north of $13M each. Melancon will be dealt along with a prospect or 2, which I will touch on again later.

    So with those actions, we have moved our working capital into the neighborhood of $45M. And that’s a much nicer neighborhood.

    Now we can feasibly add Mike Moustakas (+/- $14M AAV) to plug the 3B hole, before turning our attention to catcher. If there’s one thing we have learned about this organization it’s that they prioritize catching defense over offense. They prize pitch framing and pitcher handling. That will not change. If you want one of the best of those on a reasonable deal, they sign Jason Castro. MLBTR guesses his deal at 2 yrs / $10M. If I can have his defense for $5M AAV for each of the next 2 years, matching the timeline of Shea Langeliers, then I think I am in decent catching shape.

    Now $14M + $5M = $19M, laving me about $26M to spend on pitching.

    I never considered the top 2, but now will probably also disregard the next 2 as well. Cole, Strasburg, Wheeler, and MadBum are all out. But the next guy down the line is Hyun-Jin Ryu. How many times did he make our offense look like Little League, especially in the 2018 NLDS? He was this year’s Cy Young runner up, was also the NL leader in ERA at 2.32, and posted an astounding 1.97 ERA in 15 starts in 2018. MLBTR says this about him: “Ryu works at around 91 miles per hour, but he’s in the 96th percentile for exit velocity allowed, meaning batters aren’t squaring him up despite the lack of premium velocity.” Because he’s already 33 and has a bit of an injury history in the past (although he pitched 180 innings in 2019), he won’t have the same cost as the others. He’s also not a QO guy. His estimated contract cost is 3 yrs / $54M, or a $18M AAV. And he’s a proven pitcher from a winning organization in the Dodgers. I’ll take him.

    By my math, I can add Ryu and still have another $8M for one more pitcher to come via the aforementioned trade. Who? Well, if I knew that, I’d actually have a job in baseball somewhere. But for the right prospect price, plus a proven closer, there is proven pitching available.

    My whole point of this is that even working on the low end of the expected payroll allotment, we can adequately fill the holes on this team and compete for a ring in 2020. But to be perfectly honest, I believe there is more money to spend than last year’s threshold. I think we will actually shop in a different aisle for a rotation anchor, either in FA or trade. But only time will reveal that to us.

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  68. 137 berigan2electricboogaloo November 19, 2019 at 2:44 pm

    Last year, Austin Hedges “hit” .176, with 11 HRs 36 RBI’s. Yikes!!!!

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    • 138 Vox O'Reasoñ November 19, 2019 at 3:14 pm

      TBH, I don’t think Hedges will be a .176 ML hitter in the long term, but neither do I think he’ll he the .330 hitter he was in AAA. If I had to guess, he’ll probably be a .230-ish guy with occasional power. In comparison, Flow hit .229 in 2019. CIN’s Tucker Barnhart hit .231. NYY’s Gary Sanchez hit .232. Former Astro Robinson Chirinos hit .238 and is available via FA. In other words, I can buy a .230 hitter. I don’t need to part with prospect capital for one.

      I still like Jason Castro. Top defender that slashed .232/.332/.435 in 2019. And cheap. If I’m shopping for catcher at WalMart, I’ll go Castro. If I’m at Macy’s, I’ll take Travis d’Arnaud. If I’m breaking out the American Express Gold Card at Neiman Marcus, then Yasmani Grandal is an ideal fit.

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  69. 140 Vox O'Reasoñ November 19, 2019 at 3:30 pm

    Listening to radio interview with AA right now. He was asked about what he has left to spend after inking Will Smith. Answer: “We absolutely have alot of room to continue to add.”

    Direct quote.

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  70. 143 Vox O'Reasoñ November 19, 2019 at 4:30 pm

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  71. 145 Vox O'Reasoñ November 19, 2019 at 7:20 pm

    Predictable.

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  72. 146 Gil in Mechanicsville November 19, 2019 at 8:02 pm

    “The Braves signed right-hander Chris Martin on Tuesday to a two-year, $14 million contract. Atlanta now has 39 players on its 40-man roster.”

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  73. 147 Gil in Mechanicsville November 19, 2019 at 8:07 pm

    I don’t know about y’all but I am getting the impression Alex is playing with a little more cash this season. I also think AA will try to move MM’s 13 million, likely eating part of his contract. It is spent money after all.

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  74. 149 Vox O'Reasoñ November 19, 2019 at 8:27 pm

    Wow! This bullpen is suddenly very stout!!

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  75. 150 Gil in Mechanicsville November 20, 2019 at 8:20 am

    Is Drew Waters still a year away from needing to be protected?

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  76. 154 Gordon Lawrence November 20, 2019 at 5:55 pm

    Whew! What a bullpen for 2020.
    LH WIL SMITH
    LH SEAN NEWCOMB
    LH GRANT DAYTON
    RH MARK MELANCON
    RH SHANE GREENE
    RH CHRIS MARTIN
    RH DARREN O’DAY
    RH LUKE JACKSON

    Lots of relief hopefuls aren’t on this list.
    RH JACOB WEBB
    RH PATRICK WEIGEL
    RH JEREMY WALKER
    RH CHAD SOBOTKA
    LH PHILLIP PFEIFER
    LH A.J. MINTER

    and these are just the ones on the current 40-man.
    Is this the season bullpen for the BRAVES?
    MELANCON’s age and $$$ standout here.
    Trade for a starting pitcher, catcher, third baseman?
    May…be………

    Still a lot of work to do.
    SP, maybe two
    RH MIKE SOROKA
    RH MAX FRIED
    RH MIKE FOLTYNEWICZ
    and, and ???

    Again, tons of inhouse hopefuls.
    Those on the 40-man right now
    RH BRYSE WILSON
    RH KYLE WRIGHT
    RH TOUKI TOUSSAINT
    RH JASSEEL DeLa CRUZ
    RH HUASCAR YNOA
    LH SEAN NEWCOMB
    LH TUCKER DAVIDSON

    And not on it
    RH IAN ANDERSON
    RH NOLAN KINGHAM
    LH KYLE MULLER

    3B
    JOSH DONALDSON
    MIKE MOUSTAKAS
    somebody else???

    In house hopefuls
    AUSTIN RILEY
    JOHAN CAMARGO

    C
    TYLER FLOWERS
    And ???

    In house hopefuls on the 40-man
    WILLIE CONTRERAS
    ALEX JACKSON
    JOHN RYAN MURPHY
    mighty thin……???

    Down on the farm…………
    Uh, don’t hold your breath.
    TRAVIS d’ARNAUD anyone???

    The Hot Stove is cookin’ this off-season.

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  77. 155 Gordon Lawrence November 20, 2019 at 6:04 pm

    I would go all in right now on MIKE MOUSTAKAS @ 18m or so for three, maybe four years.
    If that’s a no by the start of the winter meetings, I gotta’ fall back and take the “Bringer” @ 25m for three, club option four.
    Same for the catcher.
    GRANDAL would be grand
    TRAVIS is my pick primarily because of the money.

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  78. 156 berigan2electricboogaloo November 20, 2019 at 8:02 pm

    I wonder if AA is thinking, it’s not going to be easy to get a #2 , or #1 esp. via free agency so have faith in some of the arms (or IF a great deal comes along of course, trade a few for…that mystery starter guy no one can think of that is very good, and a team would be willing to trade away) and run with the guys we already have, and have an absolute killer bullpen after the 6th, or even the 5th! We all know both starters and bullpen guys get injured at some point….

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  79. 158 Vox O'Reasoñ November 21, 2019 at 8:04 am

    One thing we have to keep in mind is the new bullpen rules taking effect in 2020.That cannot be understated. You have to have quality arms that you can send in in the 7th, 8th, and 9th innings that you are confident can get 3 batters out regardless of arm side matchups.

    And for this, I think AA has gotten out way ahead of the pack to remake his bullpen to match the new demands.

    Will Smith said it best during his recent interviews. Every single interview I’ve heard, and it’s been a few, have asked him about Mark Melancon still being the “closer” in the 9th inning.

    Smith’s answer has been perfect: “We are all closers. We just have to close our inning. If we can all do that, we’ll have a very successful bullpen.”

    And he’s 100% right. They have some real talent in that pen that can shut you down for 3 batters easily. Plus, with their varying style and arm sides, Snit can still play matchups regardless of whether it’s the 7th, 8th, or 9th inning. How many times have we seen the heart of the other team’s order roll through in the 7th or 8th inning?

    The traditional “closer” role has changed over the last few years. And the “save” stat is becoming an antiquated one. Melancon might get those last 3 outs in the 9th, but Smith shutting down the 3, 4, & 5 hitters in the 8th might seal the victory.

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  80. 160 Vox O'Reasoñ November 21, 2019 at 8:17 am

    Now… that said, I have a new read on what I think is going to happen.

    I am no longer of the opinion that AA will try to deal Mark Melancon and his $14M contract. But I also do not think they’ll roll into 2020 with all of Smith, Melancon, Martin and Greene.

    We know that Smith and Martin are there since they were just signed or re-signed. And I think there is something to the fact that Smith and Melancon were not only teammates in San Fran, but lockermates. They also carpooled to work while on the Weird Coast. They are close friends.

    I heard speculation yesterday that the Braves could non-tender Shane Greene since he’s projected to earn north of $6M in his last year of arb. But I do NOT foresee that happening. In fact, I would say that’s ludicrous.

    Lest we forget that Shane Greene was an All-Star closer in 2019? And after he made the adjustment to the NL, he was pretty dang good here in his setup role.

    So let’s think about this for a minute…

    We have a guy that was just an All-Star closer in 2019, who we are only tied to for 1 more year, and who is just 31 years old. Ya think there might be some trade demand for that? How many teams would love an All-Star late inning reliever for just a $6M commitment?

    Shane Greene will be flipped in a deal. AA is not only remaking our bullpen, he’s stacking trade assets.

    You can mark this post for future reference. AA will make a “big” trade before this offseason is done, and it will include some prospects that will hurt to part with. It will also include Shane Greene. It might also include someone else from the ML roster.

    That much I feel strongly about. As for who comes back to us? Still murky. But don’t be surprised if prospect and new 40-man roster resident William Contreras looks up to see his big brother coming to town…

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  81. 163 Vox O'Reasoñ November 21, 2019 at 8:27 am

    I also now believe we’ll put all our starting pitching eggs in one basket, making one big acquisition as opposed to two. I believe the attention paid to the bullpen is a portent to that in a couple of ways. Not only has it taken a measurable portion of our budget, but filling the bullpen with a new lefty (Smith) and re-signing Martin makes it fairly crowded down there even if Greene is sent elsewhere. I think we’ll make one big splash for a starter, add him to Soroka, Fried and Folty, and give Sean Newcomb every opportunity to win the 5th starter spot. And failing that, we have a handful of kids (not counting the one that will be traded) that can battle for that spot as well. Kyle Wright, Bryse Wilson and Ian Anderson are all standing on the fringe waiting for a shot. And Kyle Muller is not that far behind that group. In fact, keep an eye on Muller. He might just surprise everyone. He’s a LH version of Bryse Wilson. And I’d hate to lose either one of them.

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  82. 164 Vox O'Reasoñ November 21, 2019 at 9:10 am

    Jeff Passan tweeted this last week while covering the GM meetings in Scottsdale, AZ: Multiple teams in search of catching help believe Cubs catcher Willson Contreras will be available this winter. The Cubs will get creative this winter, and with a deep catching free agent market, they could trade Contreras and begin retooling under new manager David Ross.

    Tony Andracki at NBCSports.com says: “While Cubs fans sit on the edge of their seats waiting to see if Theo Epstein’s front office trades away a core player — and which guy that might be — the question has really become more of a when. It’s clear the roster needs a change… the front office has also shifted a good amount of focus on the long-term future of the organization — beyond 2021. If Contreras is dealt, the Cubs could feel pretty confident about Victor Caratini sliding into a larger role, but they would obviously need more catching depth both in the short- and long-term.”

    And this echoes a theme that I’ve seen emerge since the hot stove season began. You cannot buy prospects, but you can sign a Free Agent and then trade a core player for prospects. And it looks like the Cubs could look to do just that. They have the spending ability to sign a Yasmani Grandal while trading away their current star catcher and recouping young talent in return. It takes care of both the present and the future, and only costs you $$. The Cubs have the $$ to take such a strategy.

    CBSSports.com’s Mike Axisa ranks the Braves as the 14 likeliest team that could trade for the talented Cubs catcher. That’s his opinion I suppose. But reading his blurb, the reasoning is quite flawed. He draws his conclusion saying: “The Braves have already re-signed pitch-framing extraordinaire Tyler Flowers and they have prospect Alex Jackson ready to step in for Brian McCann”. What?!? Can I have that guy’s job? He’s obviously are not paying attention. (I’d like to call him an idiot, but Mama always said… well, you know.)

    By contrast, emerging sports site 12up.com believes the Braves are the #1 team to make that move. They actually do some real story research, unlike that uneducated character at the more established outlet.

    Mark Feinsand of MLB.com speculates the Cubs would prefer to trade Kris Bryant instead, and points to the Braves as a potential trade partner. But he also speculates a return package that starts with Max Fried and includes prospects Drew Waters, Bryse Wilson and William Contreras. With all due respect to Mr. Feinsand, he’s out of his mind. Bryant is a great talent, but he’s not fetching that package from Atlanta. And I’ll go a step further. No team is getting Max Fried.

    So what would it take to get Willson Contreras?

    Well, they’ll ask for Max Fried, but they won’t get him. They might get Sean Newcomb, though. They might also get Shane Greene to help prop up their disappointing bullpen. As for prospects, little brother William Contreras makes logical sense. And a pitching prospect is almost a certainty. How high a prospect? The pool could include any one not named Ian Anderson.

    So my question for you is this? For 3 years of Willson Contreras, would you give up Newk, Greene, little brother William and Kyle Wright? I know I would. In a heartbeat.

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  83. 166 Vox O'Reasoñ November 21, 2019 at 9:28 am

    All that said, history suggests the Braves are more likely to trade for a pitcher than for Willson Contreras. AA’s past actions would seem to suggest he’d be comfortable with a Jason Castro or Robinson Chirinos as a cheap FA signing to fill his catching void. Each profiles as a top pitch-framing, defense-first backstop that can catch 100+ games and pair well with the incumbent Flow.

    But this year could be different. The Braves are widely believed to be in “win now” mode, and that changes everything.

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  84. 167 Vox O'Reasoñ November 21, 2019 at 10:36 am

    Headline in the Denver Post: The Rockies “will look at” free-agent catchers Travis d’Arnaud, Yan Gomes, Martin Maldonado, Robinson Chirinos, Jason Castro and Alex Avila

    It would be quite easy to substitute the name “Braves” for “Rockies”…

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  85. 169 Gil in Mechanicsville November 21, 2019 at 10:54 am

    Don’t you love to be the guy who is selling in a seller’s market? I’m sure there are many agents calling teams looking for the talents they are representing

    Just an anecdotal observation but, you don’t want to be the guy who holds out too long and find the folks who really wanted you have moved on. Impulse buying is a real thing, impulse selling is not…

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  86. 170 Gil in Mechanicsville November 21, 2019 at 12:14 pm

    Grandal off the board, signed by the White Sox

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    • 171 Gordon Lawrence November 21, 2019 at 12:19 pm

      Which means we’re going to have to outbid the Crew for MOUSTAKAS’ services.
      18-19m for three-four is my estimate.
      The Crew are really gonna’ try to keep from losing both Moose and YASMANI.
      Let the bidding begin.
      Moose has gotta’ be smiling every time he on-lines his bank account.

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  87. 172 Vox O'Reasoñ November 21, 2019 at 12:32 pm

    This signing will have a domino effect, too. Now that the top dog is off the board, every other team in the market will scramble to get the next best guys before they’re either gone or before their prices rise.

    You know d’Arnaud’s asking price just went up.

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  88. 173 Vox O'Reasoñ November 21, 2019 at 12:46 pm

    I think that last year’s Free Agent quagmire was an anomaly. Teams are learning there is value to be gained by filling holes early in the process. Not only does it allow you to work from the greatest pool of talent, it’s also the most realistic values. As the supply dwindles, the prices rise. But the most important factor is the ability to pick from the greatest array of players. Nobody gets excited choosing from the consolation bin.

    Plus, early player movement generates real value in marketing as well. Adding Grandal in Chcago will help generate more season ticket interest in the South Side from November 21 forward, meaning a wider window of interest. That’s pure Marketing 101. That applies to not only season tickets, but merchandising as well.

    It also keeps the team in the front of the fans’ consciousness, not going dormant for the winter months. You know these ChiSox fans are excited today. And they all feel it’s just the beginning. We here in Braves Country can relate. We have first hand experience now with the early signings in our bullpen. It has created both buzz in the media and excitement in the fan base.

    It all adds up to real measurable value for execs trying to operate in a competitive environment. Waiting helps no one.

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  89. 174 Vox O'Reasoñ November 21, 2019 at 1:38 pm

    I could see the Braves in on Yan Gomes. His offense tailed off a tad last year in WAS, but he has a decent “back of the baseball card” and is known as a solid defender. At just 32, he’s perfectly capable of catching 100+ games if he stays healthy. He also posted a 1.3 WAR in 2019.

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  90. 176 Vox O'Reasoñ November 21, 2019 at 5:38 pm

    Really go after it? Like spend the actual money it takes to go after it?

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    • 177 Vox O'Reasoñ November 21, 2019 at 5:41 pm

      [Braves exec Mike] Plant said the Braves’ strategy is to complement their “great pipeline” of young talent “with some key veteran acquisitions.”

      OK. Then let’s get ‘er done.

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  91. 178 Gordon Lawrence November 21, 2019 at 5:48 pm

    Moose and d’ARNAUD not signed yet?
    Com’n AA get in the game.
    Worry about SP last.

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  92. 179 berigan2electricboogaloo November 21, 2019 at 7:46 pm

    ok guys (and Gal 🙂 ) here is the problem this offseason….if the braves don’t get a F.A. guy, look at the top 40 pitchers, both leagues…by ERA (Julio was #24 of all starters in baseball, by ERA)
    look at the pitchers, then the teams they are on….who is going to trade their top starter????
    http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/pitching/_/year/2019/seasontype/2

    I just don’t see that difference maker….not saying there aren’t good starters with ERA’s over 4.00 but….have to think along with A.A. who has been good by and large over there career, but not last year????
    IF the guys we have in the pipeline are so darned good…why not go with them?
    Already said this…like above in this post….but if you don’t go after/get MadBum or Wheeler….who are you willing to risk trading the next Wainwright away for?
    I’ll wait 😉

    I think Gordon is right….wait on SP…
    have a stout offense/and defense, great bullpen….and Soroka, Friend, Folty , Newcomb and rookie can surely go 5 + each start and keep the team in the game….

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  93. 181 Gordon Lawrence November 21, 2019 at 8:39 pm

    Rule 5 potential get RHRP BRAD RONEY is worth the time. 27 year old was coming around in 2019. ARIZONA Fall league, he did well.
    LHRP THOMAS BURROWS had a rocky 2019. Still, I’d give him a shot if i were a GM. Lefties are golden, at least good ones which BURROWS was in the lower minors.

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  94. 182 Gil in Mechanicsville November 22, 2019 at 7:00 am

    Pretty sure the massive data crunching analytical department deep in the basement of Sun Trust Park have stats on every rule 5 eligible player available for the taking. Plus a bunch that aren’t… That is what a lot of teams have resorted to. Pretty soon we will have televised games of video games instead of real players. Okay, I’ll save that rant for another day but when TV air time is filled with show like Survivor and Big Brother etc… well, can fake baseball be far behind?

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    • 183 Vox O'Reasoñ November 22, 2019 at 7:50 am

      Taking kids in Rule 5 works for rebuilding teams that are willing to take a flyer on a kid with potential and give him a valuable 26-man roster spot (for the entire season) in hopes that they may find a diamond in the rough. But for a team that has publicly stated that they are in “win now” mode, and that they are “going for it”, those roster spots must be allocated with a purpose. I doubt very seriously the Braves will be very active in that arena.

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  95. 184 Gil in Mechanicsville November 22, 2019 at 7:05 am

    I’m still thinking Newk will get another shot at starting this season. Somewhere…

    As the baseball picture winnows down to a few good starters, stalwarts like Julio will find work, maybe not with the Yankees but the Pirates are always hiring.

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    • 185 Vox O'Reasoñ November 22, 2019 at 7:53 am

      I’m still thinking Newk will get another shot at starting this season. Somewhere

      Agree. Depending on how much money the Braves spend on a TOR starter, it might be here. But I think there is at least a chance he goes away in trade as any team giving up a starter will want a controllable ML piece in return. He fits that bill. And as a LH, he comes with an extra premium.

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  96. 187 Vox O'Reasoñ November 22, 2019 at 7:54 am

    Anybody hearing the Francisco Lindor chatter?

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  97. 188 berigan2electricboogaloo November 22, 2019 at 9:22 am

    so…anyone besides CL see my 7:46/7:54 posts yesterday?

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  98. 190 Gil in Mechanicsville November 22, 2019 at 2:57 pm

    Always bare in mind, it is an early worm that gets eaten by the bird….

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  99. 191 Vox O'Reasoñ November 22, 2019 at 3:38 pm

    I know we’ve talked alot about numbers and who they can and cannot (as if we know the budget) afford to sign. But sometimes you just have to throw all that out the window and trust your gut. My gut tells me they Braves will acquire a big name pitcher… a real TOTR arm. It’s gonna happen.

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  100. 194 berigan2electricboogaloo November 22, 2019 at 3:40 pm

    There’s no reason to speculate on NOT acquiring anyone yet. It’s still very early. Winter Meetings are still a weeks away.
    V, isn’t that all we do during fall/winter? Speculate ? Often on folks we won’t get? 😉
    I just hear folks talking about trading for a T.O.R. guy, and I just don’t see any T.O.R.s, available outside of Cole or Stephen S. and that won’t be via a trade….that’s just why I put those links to show who is available…I was going to look team by team and see who was a possibility…then thought to just look at the guys top ERA guys, then top innings guys since I didn’t see a soul to trade for via era….. but the Seattle guy mentioned above isn’t a T.O.R, he’s more like M.O.R. (middle of Rotation) or I.E. (Innings eater) ala MadBum, or Wheeler. He could be better on a good team in the N.L. just like MadBum or Wheeler may get better here…might…but, if all are #2 or #3’s, I just think you might as well get a B.B. (big bat) for 3rd, or left or both. and do the Coppy thing of, when you already seem to have POP (plenty of pitching) get more! IF the rotation options are too bleh this year, get more bullpen guys, still more! MORE!
    we have lots of YOUNG guys Bryse Wilson is still only 21 (22 next month) , Ian Anderson, is also 21. Touki Toussaint is 23. Kyle Wright is 24. Basically, they would be #5’s right? Sean Newcomb already is a proven starter (same ERA in 2018 as MadBum had in 2019) and walks should be down….I know internal options aren’t as sexy (blog first?) as getting some stud starter thats behind door #1 but, AA has to go in the directions that are available right now, right?

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    • 195 Gil in Mechanicsville November 22, 2019 at 4:35 pm

      So, what you are saying is there are no Greg Maddux clones available… Yes, offense is fun but pitching wins championships. Actually it is a combination of factors which win championships but staying focused on your point, it is early yet, who knows what is behind door number 3?

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  101. 196 Gil in Mechanicsville November 23, 2019 at 9:28 am

    It’s tough to give up on a young arm too soon. Remember Jason Schmidt? I think the Braves regretted that trade almost from the start. All the pitching talent amassed by the Braves, so much potential. It does lend itself to how rare a talent Soroka is to be pitching like he is at 21. Most don’t arrive until they are in their mid to late 20s.

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  102. 198 Gil in Mechanicsville November 23, 2019 at 12:44 pm

    Yep, it is the art of the deal…. The best results is you have an even handed deal where both sides benefit. That way you don’t have hard feelings and you can continue to do business. A lot of folks in Twitterville want to make the one sided Shelby Miller type deals where the other side is humiliated. These are not people I would like to do business with. Don’t get me wrong, not like I don’t like a bargain, it’s just that I don’t like taking advantage of people.

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  103. 200 Gil in Mechanicsville November 23, 2019 at 12:56 pm

    Which brings us around to today’s topic, who do you think is expendable of the Braves’ pitching prospects? My vote is Tuki Tusant. Now, watch his go on to have a stellar career somewhere and make me doubt myself…

    The biggest problem I have with pitchers with incredible braking balls is that umpires don’t often give them strikes. Either they are lazy and don’t follow the ball all the way in (they are human and often give up on pitches just like hitters) or they don’t believe anyone’s curve ball is that good.

    My preference is the kid who has a decent fastball that has late movement. A good pitcher has to posses a swing and miss pitch. How many times have we seen Julio get two strike on a batter and then not be able to put them away because while he could trow pitches good enough where the batter could only foul them off, he did not have a pitch they would give up on or completely fool the batter nor blow it past them.

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  104. 202 Gil in Mechanicsville November 23, 2019 at 8:30 pm

    I am having a very good night. Virginia Tech shuts out Pitt 20-0 and VCU is wiping out Florida Gulf Coast. Yippee…

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  105. 203 Gil in Mechanicsville November 24, 2019 at 2:42 pm

    Make that 28-zip… Big game next week-end between VA Tech and UVA… I know, not as big as an SEC game but big to me… 🙂

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  106. 205 Vox O'Reasoñ November 24, 2019 at 5:26 pm

    AA’s good work continues. d’Arnaud was not the best catcher on the FA market, but he was arguably the next best. I love this signing. It still leaves us the ability to go get the pitching we need.

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    • 206 Gordon Lawrence November 24, 2019 at 5:32 pm

      O.K. two of my prehot-stove list in the bag.
      Now if we sign MIKE MOUSTAKAS we have a trifecta win.
      I really see no reason why we wouldn’t.
      DONALDSON moves on and we get a pick in turn.
      With that we can sign ZACH WHEELER, lose the pick again, and with the difference between Moose and “the Bringer” sign part of WHEELER’s freight and have enough going to trade for the balance.

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  107. 208 Vox O'Reasoñ November 24, 2019 at 5:28 pm

    I also love that AA is not waiting around. He’s simply getting his job done.

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  108. 210 Gil in Mechanicsville November 24, 2019 at 8:04 pm

    The d’Arnaud signing is a good one. Shores up the catching situation but does not break the bank nor block any young prospects. He is a solid backstop and a decent bat. Good work Braves… They still have the were with all to add to their pitching corps and sign a solid power bat.

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  109. 211 Vox O'Reasoñ November 24, 2019 at 9:13 pm

    Speaks highly of this young man.

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  110. 212 Gordon Lawrence November 24, 2019 at 11:28 pm

    Where do we go from here?
    Two of my hot-stove favs are in the house, RP WIL SMITH and C TRAVIS d’ARNAUD.
    From my perspective, I feel AA will sign a SP next [ZACH WHEELER is my preference @ 20m per for five years].
    In which case, MIKE MOUSTAKAS seems certain due to cash and draft pick considerations.
    Has to happen by winter meetings start, or they will move on to another pitcher probably not in FA.
    One they acquire by trade and cash combined.
    LH SEAN NEWCOMB, CF ENDER INCIARTE, 3B JOHAN CAMARGO and a minors prospect such as RH TOUKI TOUSSAINT might be involved together with cash.
    If the REDS sign WHEELER, LUIS CASTILLO might be available for that kind of trade.
    Probably an overpay a bit, but the BRAVES would be under some pressure at that point.
    In the event AA moves on from WHEELER or RYU, JOSH DONALDSON may become a BRAVE before any SP for three years @ 25m per with a fourth club option, and a hefty buyout.

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    • 213 Vox O'Reasoñ November 25, 2019 at 8:28 am

      Where do we go from here?

      Since we’re obviously just checking items off the shopping list, it’s either starting pitcher or 3B. I think one of those will come via trade (likely pitcher?), and may not come together until the Winter Meetings. And it may be that one is predicated on the other. Or, AA may just go get ’em now, right?

      Speaking of the Winter Meetings… Remember when I said that we wouldn’t have any real news until then?

      Yeah, never mind.

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  111. 214 Gil in Mechanicsville November 25, 2019 at 6:03 am

    Alex Wood anyone?

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    • 215 Vox O'Reasoñ November 25, 2019 at 8:24 am

      As a #5 maybe. But to be honest, I’d prefer spending the $$ on the real deal #1 (or #2 behind Soroka) and Newk/Wright/Wilson as #5 if necessary. After all, these youngsters aren’t just chopped liver. And even though Wright had an up and down year at AAA last year, he’s still young and still projects as a #2 or #3. For him, the stuff is there; it’s all about the control. But then again, isn’t that the name of the game for every pitcher? That pesky control is always the last thing to come.

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  112. 216 Gil in Mechanicsville November 25, 2019 at 8:42 am

    I am thinking any further acquisition will come after the rule five draft. If a trade occurs, well that problem takes care of itself.

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    • 217 Vox O'Reasoñ November 25, 2019 at 10:59 am

      I do not believe the Braves will be taking anyone in the Rule 5 draft. Those are “take a chance” guys. The Braves are way past that phase. The roster will be filled with “for certain” contributing pieces.

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  113. 218 Gordon Lawrence November 25, 2019 at 9:42 am

    What I like here is that we are all in regarding the added moves the BRAVES should make.
    SP I think the trade comes here if AA passes on both WHEELER and RYU.
    That decision has to come soon, preferably before winter meetings.
    3B Decision of “Bringer” or Moose depends on decision for SP.
    Can’t keep these guys waiting. They’ll fly the coop.
    OF – one year filler, or keep ENDER and hope for the best.
    I don’t like have ENDER’s ailing bat in the everyday line-up, but if neither PACHE or WATERS are ready what are you gonna’ do?
    Trade, right? Maybe.
    Free Agency?
    PUIG? Ugh, but his bat might outweigh his attitude and mouth, for one year.
    WAR PUIG 1.3 vs INCIARTE’s 0.6; OPS+ PUIG 100 vs INCIARTE 89

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  114. 219 Gil in Mechanicsville November 25, 2019 at 10:30 am

    Well, if anyone would have a first hand take on Puig it would be Alex, after all, hi was an assistant GM in LA when they drafted/signed Puig to play in Tinsel Town…

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  115. 221 Gil in Mechanicsville November 25, 2019 at 11:14 am

    With the Braves signing of Travis d’Ardnaud, I was reminded that Alex traded away Travis as well as Noah Syndeguard for R.A. Dicky. You have to wonder if such trades don’t weigh in on him when he considers what young talent to trade away for a vet pitcher. Just saying…. I never thought Dicky was all that while in Toronto. it was a bit one sided if you ask me.

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  116. 222 Vox O'Reasoñ November 25, 2019 at 11:21 am

    I still subscribe to the philosophy that you “buy” pitching and trade for hitting. I also believe that if AA can trade for a cleanup hitting OF, the Braves would be fine with Camargo/Riley at 3B. Starling Marte is prime on the rumor mill and the Braves have the assets necessary to get 2 years of the ultra-talented Marte.

    And even if you make that trade, you can still afford to bring Moose in if you want.

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  117. 223 berigan2electricboogaloo November 25, 2019 at 2:59 pm

    Gordon, Luis Castillo is a true TOR, or TOTR guy (3.40 ERA in that bandbox)…but, I just don’t see the Reds trading him for some question mark guys….granted, IF those guys worked out, it would be good for them, but…Castillo is young to boot. 26. Usually, teams don’t trade those guys, it would almost be like trading Soroka….

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  118. 224 Vox O'Reasoñ November 26, 2019 at 9:55 am

    I was a bit out of pocket yesterday as I was acquiring and setting up a new phone (merry Christmas to me). I caved to the peer pressure from my daughter and Mrs. Vox and have gone to the dark side… an iPhone.

    But that’s not why I’m here…

    So what’s the matter the AA? It’s been over 24 hours and we haven’t signed or traded for anyone? What’s his problem? 😆

    In all seriousness, we have beaten the dead horse of spending harder than a trash can in the Astros’ dugout. And we all agree that we have no idea how much money AA has to work with, even though we can make a somewhat educated guess. But even at that, it’s still just a guess.

    So we must bring to light the comments made by Liberty Media’s CEO Greg Maffei last Thursday on a TV appearance on CNBC. As reported by MLBTR’s Dylan Chase, Maffei briefly discussed the Braves offseason outlook in the course of a 10 minute interview with CNBC’s David Faber, Maffei indicated that the club plans to “spend some money” this winter, even after the club’s recent addition of roughly $30M in new commitments to their 2020 payroll. “We’re well set up…with young talent,” Maffei told Faber before referencing Freddie Freeman, Ronald Acuna Jr. and Ozzie Albies as some of the club’s key young players. “But in addition, we just signed Will Smith–probably the best reliever in baseball. Yeah, we’re going to spend some money, and we have relative freedom under the cap and in our payroll compared to most people, including the Mets.

    Now… does this mean a significant increase? I don’t see trying to actually rival the Mets’ payroll. As Chase points out, the CNBC host is a known Mets fan, and Maffei was probably mentioned the Mets in that context. But his words still can’t be undersold. As we’ve talked about so many times, even an increase into the $160M range opens up a ton of spending flexibility. It certainly opens the team up to take on a $25M AAV pitcher without even blinking… to go along with bringing Josh Donaldson back.

    But I get a sense that maybe the Braves would be OK to let JDon walk. The more we wait and the more I read, I almost get a sense that we are ecstatic that the 1 year gamble worked out to the extent it did and are willing to take our winnings and move to another table. Sometimes you just have to be thankful for the blessing you received and not get too greedy trying to milk it for more.

    Not only that, but allowing JD to sign elsewhere also replenishes the draft pick we will lose with the Will Smith signing, and perhaps would help lessen the impact of the loss of a second one if we should sign one of the TOTR pitchers (which this fan believes will happen).

    Speaking of losing draft picks… it’s really not as defeating as it gets painted. The Braves are still loaded at the upper levels of the system. They all have a shelf life, so you have to use them before the “expire”, thus those prospects will either need to move up to The Show or move out to another organization in trade. When trades happen, they often include prospects moving around on both sides. Many times in trades lower level prospects are included the deals, but we don’t read alot about those “throw ins” because they aren’t recognizable names and thus barely acknowledged after the actual trade is announced. That’s exactly how players like Touki Toussaint, Huascar Ynoa and Philip Pfeifer came to the Braves organization. Unless you are really keyed in like the fine folks here at the ol’ B&S, you never heard of Phil Pfeifer before he was recently added to the 40-man roster to protect him from being taken in the upcoming Rule 5 draft. But he came to us in a deal with the Dodgers back in 2016 and worked his way up through the system just like a drafted player would.

    I say all that to say this: Let’s not get too caught up in the cost of a draft pick that might – MIGHT – have an impact in 5 or 6 years in order to sign a bona-fide ML contributor that we need right now.

    Especially since it appears we finally have the financial ability to go after them.

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    • 225 Gil in Mechanicsville November 26, 2019 at 10:49 am

      Great opine as per usual Vee, always on point, even when I disagree. Yes, I dream of the possibility of the Braves spending a little stupid money for a pitcher of the caliber of a Gerrit Cole but like I said, it is only a dream.

      Back to reality, A lessor known name will emerge and the Braves will have strengthened their 2020 roster enough to treepeat in the NL East, which is going to be even tougher than last season because the gNats will not start out 13-35 again and the Phillies will have a new brain trust and the Mets will have healed up a bit. Even the fish should be better so a lot more parity in the division.

      Now, on Donaldson, I have not problems with the rainmaker taking up residence in LA or Texas, I do fear Philly adding him to their roster.

      What do y’all think of adding Justin Turner to the Braves roster?

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      • 226 Vox O'Reasoñ November 26, 2019 at 10:55 am

        What do y’all think of adding Justin Turner to the Braves roster?

        That would suit me just fine, but I think I read that they intend to sign one of the top 3B on the market, then utilize Turner at 1B, 2B, 3B, etc. much the same as the Dodgers always seem to do with their players. They always seem to use their entire roster much more liberally than just about any team. Of course, they also always stock their entire roster with starting talent, too. I guess you can do that when you have the highest payroll in MLB year after year.

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  119. 227 Vox O'Reasoñ November 26, 2019 at 10:08 am

    Twitter headline this morning: Dodgers Interested In Top Free Agents

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  120. 228 Gil in Mechanicsville November 27, 2019 at 11:48 am

    I have a question, do ballplayers have to pay taxes to each state where they play a game or only to the state where their club’s franchise resides? When you are talking millions of dollars, it could be a deal breaker I would think. Maybe why so many ball players make Atlanta a permanent home, maybe?

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    • 229 Vox O'Reasoñ November 27, 2019 at 1:11 pm

      If I’m not mistaken, they file taxes in every state where they play, as well as some cities. There is some convoluted formula that goes into who gets what that applies specifically to pro athletes. I have no idea how that is broken down though. It’s why they better have (and pay) good agents and good accountants.

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      • 230 Carolina Lady November 27, 2019 at 3:46 pm

        V, it’s been a very long time since I dealt with taxes and, though I flew through multiple cities, town, states, and even countries on a single trip series, taxes were charged and paid only to the state of residency. It may be entirely different nowadays for for highly paid athletes vs a lowly flight crew member.

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  121. 231 Vox O'Reasoñ November 27, 2019 at 1:13 pm

    Who?

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  122. 232 Vox O'Reasoñ November 27, 2019 at 1:16 pm

    Manager prediction final scorecard:

    Angels = Joe Maddon ✓
    Cubs = David Ross ✓
    Giants = Gabe Kapler ✓
    Mets = Joe Girardi Carlos Beltrán
    Padres = Jayce Tingler ✓
    Phils = Buck Showalter Joe Girardi
    Pirates = Jeff Banister Derek Shelton
    Royals = Mike Matheny ✓

    5 out of 8… not so bad.

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  123. 233 berigan2electricboogaloo November 27, 2019 at 8:09 pm

    ok, NEVER would have thought of this guy, but….

    Jonathan Villar….could he play 3rd???? Cannot believe teams wouldn’t trade for him for a lousy 10 mil (I mean Baltimore, each half the contract to get a cheap, decent prospect back???
    hit 24 HR’s last year, 33 doubles, and stole 40 bases!…. .274/339 . and did all this on a TERRIBLE team…thing is…know nothing about his defense….
    and I don’t know how waivers work this time of year….worst teams pick first???
    just a thought…..
    https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/11/orioles-jonathan-villar-waivers.html

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/v/villajo01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-

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    • 234 Vox O'Reasoñ November 27, 2019 at 9:34 pm

      Villar’s defense was iffy at 2B, but supposedly better at SS. He has no experience at 3B.

      As to claiming off waivers, the claiming team would owe him the $10+M balance he’s due. No team will do that. He’ll skate through and become a FA where he’ll find a deal, but not anywhere near $10M.

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  124. 235 berigan2electricboogaloo November 27, 2019 at 9:05 pm

    I tried to say…”Baltimore, EAT half of the 10 Mil” sigh…

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  125. 236 Gil in Mechanicsville November 28, 2019 at 8:49 am

    Good morning Stuffville, I hope all of our denizens have a happy and joyful Thanksgiving Day. I am most thankful for a wonderful wife, good friends and being born in the most wonderful country in the world. Amen…

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  126. 237 Vox O'Reasoñ November 28, 2019 at 10:08 am

    Happy Thanksgiving!!

    Psalm 100:4

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  127. 238 Vox O'Reasoñ November 28, 2019 at 10:26 am

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  128. 240 Vox O'Reasoñ November 30, 2019 at 7:11 pm

    As November slips quietly into December, we need to take note of some important upcoming dates:

    Dec. 2: Non-tender deadline
    Dec. 9-12: Winter Meetings in San Diego
    Dec. 12: Rule 5 draft
    Jan. 10: Eligible players and teams exchange Arb figures
    Feb. 3-21: Arb hearings

    That’s Monday, folks. Catcher John Ryan Murphy is a no-brainer, especially after last week’s inking of Travis d’Arnaud. MLBTR listed Charlie Culberson as a non-tender candidate. Obviously those dudes do not follow Braves baseball very closely. Charlie is worth every dime he’ll receive in arb. I don’t believe there will be any others beside JRM, but anything is possible I suppose. Also, I think the Braves could look to bring JRM back on a minor league deal if he can’t find a ML deal anywhere else.

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  129. 241 Vox O'Reasoñ November 30, 2019 at 9:49 pm

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  130. 243 berigan2electricboogaloo December 1, 2019 at 1:32 pm

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  131. 244 Gil in Mechanicsville December 2, 2019 at 8:03 am

    Good morning folks, I hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving. Now we get back to business… What Vee said… 🙂

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  132. 245 Vox O'Reasoñ December 2, 2019 at 10:09 am

    Contract decision day…

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  133. 246 berigan2electricboogaloo December 2, 2019 at 3:08 pm

    V, I too thought there was ZERO chance the braves would get soooo cheap, so petty that they would dump Culberson

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    • 247 berigan2electricboogaloo December 2, 2019 at 3:10 pm

      I didn’t know that he didn’t hit a whole lot average wise after May, but he sure seemed to get big hits when it counted, right? I mean, I think if he was on the playoff roster, we might have beaten the Cards…

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      • 248 Vox O'Reasoñ December 2, 2019 at 3:53 pm

        I’ll reserve judgment until it actually happens. Who is Robert Murray and why should he know? As tight lipped as this group is about everything, I can’t necessarily give Murray an automatic pass on having inside info, especially when he has no local cred that I’m aware of.

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      • 249 Vox O'Reasoñ December 2, 2019 at 3:57 pm

        That said, Camargo vs. Culberson… I’ll take Camargo. Hechavarria vs. Culberson… that’s tougher, but I think the nod goes to Hechy. He’s a far better SS. Wonder if AA is trying to work a deal to bring him back? Should the non-tender rumor turn out to be true, he’ll need a true backup SS.

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  134. 250 Vox O'Reasoñ December 2, 2019 at 3:47 pm

    Off the board…

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  135. 251 Vox O'Reasoñ December 2, 2019 at 4:23 pm

    So if Moose gets 4 yrs / $64M, what does that do for Donaldson? He easily gets 3 years guaranteed now. 3 yrs / $75M? I think so. And if the Rangers are really as dug in on JD as is reported, they could offer him a 4th year to sway him to Arlington.

    And if AA misses out on JDon… then what? Plan B just got Plan A money from Cincy.

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  136. 252 Gil in Mechanicsville December 2, 2019 at 5:23 pm

    Ha, well, they could try to lure either Rendon or Stasburg away from DC… I don’t think Washington will sign both but who knows… Think maybe we will see if Moose signing with affects what Alex and his merry band of elves do.

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  137. 253 Vox O'Reasoñ December 2, 2019 at 8:32 pm

    Officially official.

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  138. 254 Vox O'Reasoñ December 2, 2019 at 8:35 pm

    Surprised, but not shocked. The numbers are what they are. Sometimes a player’s value is greater than his numbers though. I just hope AA has a plan…

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  139. 255 Vox O'Reasoñ December 2, 2019 at 9:16 pm

    One more thing to keep in mind…

    With the 3 non-tenders, there are now 3 new spots open on the 40-man roster. Just enough for JDon and 2 pitchers.

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  140. 257 Gil in Mechanicsville December 3, 2019 at 9:17 am

    I have absolutely no idea of what Alex has in mind other than adding someone new to the roster that we don’t know about or thought about. At least someone we have not had on our radar. Perhaps somewhere deep in the bowls of Sun Trust Park where all the IT guys are busy crunching their analytical scouting, they have come up with a master plan to acquirer Joc Peterson or something but I am a little bumfuzzeled as to why they let Dansby’s twin brother go.

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  141. 259 Vox O'Reasoñ December 3, 2019 at 9:27 am

    I had a night to sleep on the big news that impacted the Braves yesterday… and no, that’s not the non-tender of Charlie Clutch.

    Moose signing with the Reds yesterday for 4/64 is quite significant. First, it takes the supposed (by us at least) Plan B off the table and slaps Braves Country with the cold reality that there could be a 3B in ATL next season not named Donaldson or Moustakas. But just as significant is the commitment Cincy made to Moose, who was widely speculated to draw 2/20 on his new deal. What does that mean for JD? I’m no market expert, but I think you can probably expect his floor to be 3/75 now. And I think it’s at least plausible that some AL team – TEX maybe? – will give him 4 years knowing he can DH toward the end of it.

    I’ll be honest, I think he may have just passed us by in terms of what he’ll demand. If he can get 4/100 from TEX, then God bless him. Even if it’s just 4/92, it’s still a longer commitment than the Braves will give.

    I think we may need to start digging up a better alternative…

    To that end, I’ve been thinking. (Yes, I realize that’s dangerous.) How can we replace 37 HR’s in our lineup? How can we give Freddie the lineup protection he needs to put up MVP numbers?

    First, maybe it’s important that we consider that we need to replace it in the lineup in total, not necessarily specifically at 3B. After all, we do actually have a need in the OF, even if it’s been overshadowed by the 3B saga.

    As it currently stands, our OF is configured by RAJ in RF, Ender in CF, and a platoon of Duvall/Nick in LF. And quite honestly, in this humble fan’s opinion, that’s really just 1 bona fide ML quality OF. Yes, Ender has had Gold Glove seasons in CF, but last year was not one of them. And his bat didn’t exactly cause any pitcher to quake in his cleats, especially after he was dropped to the bottom of the lineup.

    But let’s go back to Ender’s defense, which is his bread and butter. Ender has suffered a series of leg injuries over the last couple of years, which has had a direct effect on his defensive prowess. Defense is a little tricky to “measure”, but here are his defensive ratings for the last 4 years, since he’s been in ATL:

    2016: 11.5 UZR/150, 10.4 Def
    2017: 2.7 UZR/150, 5.2 Def
    2018: 7.4 UZR/150, 9.5 Def
    2019: 1.4 UZR/150, 1.4 Def

    Whether or not those “advanced metrics” are accurate or not, there is still a comparative aspect to them. And even Stevie Wonder can see something has gone awry in Ender’s game.

    So perhaps we ought to be more focused on replacing JDon’s 37 HR by acquiring a more ML worthy OF to go with RAJ. To that end, a trade for Starling Marte would cure many of those ill’s.

    So stay with me here…

    What if AA were to work a trade with PIT? Marte is slated to earn $11.5M in 2020, and has a $12.5M option for 2021. Those are dirt cheap numbers for a power hitting OF. It’s also a prime opportunity for a new GM to begin his rebuild with a top asset. Ender’s $7M salary and contract control for 3 more years might just be attractive to a rebuilding team like the Pirates, especially if we sweeten it with a prospect like Kyle Wright and toss in Phil Pfeiffer to make it work.

    Now we’ve added 23 HR’s back into the mix in the form of a RH bat that can play CF allowing RAJ to stay in RF where his arm plays best.

    But what about 3B? I’ve decided to get a little creative here, because I really need another LH bat to help balance the lineup. I’m gonna look at Didi Gregorious. Yes I know he’s a SS, but how many SS have moved to 3B later in their career’s, especially those looking for a starting job? And isn’t that the kind of IF defense I want? Didi brings 16 more HR’s from 2019, from the LH side if the plate. And he’s expected to receive 3/42 for his services. That’s an AAV of $13M. If you add that $13M to Marte’s $11.5, you get about the same amount JD is gonna get by himself, and you’ve addressed 2 positions in the process.

    And don’t miss that you’ve also subtracted Ender’s $7M, which can be used in pursuit of the mythical TOTR pitcher..

    Now let’s look at that lineup:

    RAJ, RF (R)
    Ozzie, 2B (S)
    Freddie, 1B (L)
    Marte, CF (R)
    Didi, 3B (L)
    Duvall/Nick, LF (P)
    d’Arnaud, C (R)
    Dansby, SS (R)

    I believe that dog will hunt. I also believe it still leaves room for Cristian Pache to arrive in 2021 and for Drew Waters to arrive in 2022. Of course, it might spell doom for Austin Riley in ATL. He may become trade bait to help us fill other needs, and that’s OK. And by the time Didi is ready to relinquish 3B, prized youngster Braden Shewmake will be ready to take over. (If you aren’t familiar with Shewmake, you should be. He’s a college kid drafted by the Braves just last year who bypassed Rookie League altogether, opening in low-A Rome and finishing the season in AA Pearl. Currently a SS, he plays all over the field and his 6’4″ frame profiles very nicely at 3B. The kid is known for a great eye, hits for average and will continue to add power as his big body fills out with man-muscle. While he doesn’t grade a plus-plus in any category, he also doesn’t grade below plus in any, either.)

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  142. 261 Vox O'Reasoñ December 3, 2019 at 11:47 am

    Gil…

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  143. 263 Vox O'Reasoñ December 3, 2019 at 5:04 pm

    If you take a quick glance at our current 40-man roster, it doesn’t take much imagination to see what the 26-man active roster would look like if the season were starting tonight.

    Yikes.

    The bullpen looks great with Melancon, Smith, Greene, Martin, LJackson, O’Day, Dayton, and (fill in the blank with any number of long relief options).

    But then comes the rotation. Not quite as good. It starts fine with Soroka, Fried, and Folty. Then t goes a little wonky with Newk and one of rookies Wright or Wilson.

    Once again I say yikes.

    If you think that’s balky, look at the starting 8. The top 3 are fantastic with RAJ (RF), Ozzie (2B), and Freddie (1B). Then you have to get creative in the middle with Riley (3B), d’Arnaud (C), and the platoon of Duvall/Markakis (LF). It’s rounded off with Ender (CF) and Dansby (SS).

    Have I said yikes yet?

    But the worst is the bench. I have Flow and I have Johan. I also have the remainder of the Duvall/Markakis platoon. But after that… I haven’t got much to pick from on the 40-man roster. In fact, the only other position players are 2 catchers not ready for prime time (AJackson and Contreras) and a kid OF that also isn’t ripe yet (Pache). I have a butt ton of pitchers, but no one for the bench. I’m in trouble.

    Yikes.

    AA, you got some work to do buddy. Get to it.

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  144. 264 Vox O'Reasoñ December 3, 2019 at 6:01 pm

    You can pretty much remove Zack Wheeler from AA’s shopping list. Ken Rosenthal’s sources say “Wheeler already has at least one offer in hand of at least $100MM”, and USA Today’s Bob Nightengale reports “The White Sox are ‘willing’ to push beyond the five-year, $100MM mark in order to sign Wheeler”. Heyman believes It’s possible and “maybe even probable” that he’ll sign before the Winter Meetings open next week.

    I think the action over the next 2 weeks could be fast and furious. The Chisox are ready to assemble a winning team and are not waiting around for other teams to take their pieces. They are gonna push the action on other GM’s. Hopefully ours is ready to get his agenda done in a short time frame.

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  145. 265 berigan2electricboogaloo December 3, 2019 at 7:29 pm

    Man, Starling Marte just doesn’t send a thrill up my leg….never more than 23 HR’s in any season(last season was his career high with the juiced ball) Does steal a base or two (but, he’s 31 now)
    and he misses a lot of games per year. 30 game last year, 17 games in 2018, 85 games in 2017(steroid/hgh suspension) 33 games in 2016. only one season did he top 150 games, 2015. so you really need a good 5th outfielder…and…teams will walk FF all day, like they have every year except last year….

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    • 266 Vox O'Reasoñ December 4, 2019 at 8:41 am

      Well, when compared to Josh Donaldson, no. But I’m talking about replacing Ender.

      Using the WAR stat as a comparison only, Marte posted a 2.9 WAR (with a .845 OPS, 23 HR’s) in 2019 as opposed to Ender’s 0.6 WAR (.740 OPS, 5 HR’s). For a relatively minimal $4M more I can put a much better player on the field.

      Plus, I am not counting on Marte alone to fill Donaldson’s HR void. But Ender has stretches where he is a void, so there’s that.

      Is it ideal? Well, Ideally, we’d re-sign JDon and trade for Marte. But you make improvements where you can.

      You all know I’ve never been a big Ender fan, but I’ve tolerated his light bat because of his defense. But now that the legs are failing and the defense is dropping off..? Seems like a waste of $7M to me.

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  146. 267 Vox O'Reasoñ December 4, 2019 at 8:30 am

    Buster Olney: The bidding for right-hander Zack Wheeler continues to progress toward resolution, with the Philadelphia Phillies seen by sources as the most potent bidders — and the Reds, White Sox and Rangers also involved.

    Well, Wheeler has been in our division already, but I’m not sure I’d want him on the Phillies over the Mets. At least you can count on the Mets to wet the bed.

    Now supposin’, which is not always a good thing, but supposin’ the Phils do sign Wheeler and the Nats bring Strasburg back… how does AA respond? Does AA “respond”? He always says you don’t act based on what others do, but is that accurate? If you can’t beat the teams in your division, you won’t get a chance to do anything else in October…

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  147. 268 Vox O'Reasoñ December 4, 2019 at 12:34 pm

    I like this alot!!

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    • 269 Vox O'Reasoñ December 4, 2019 at 12:36 pm

      Qualifier: I hope this isn’t the only pitching move they make. Hamels is a perfect fit for this clubhouse, especially as a mentor to Max Fried (and maybe Sean Newcomb too). But he isn’t the TOTR guy we still need. Hopefully we’ll still hear of a trade to bring that guy in.

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    • 270 Vox O'Reasoñ December 4, 2019 at 12:40 pm

      The best part of this is watching the Philles’ fans melting down. They thought he was coming home. 😆

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  148. 271 Vox O'Reasoñ December 4, 2019 at 12:52 pm

    Confirmed. As I said, I like it alot. Looks like AA went a little above expected AAV to get him on a 1-year deal. I think that was smart for both sides.

    And I still want to add another pitcher. I think adding this lefty might preclude the anticipated MadBum signing.A harder throwing righty would be a better fit for the rotation now. Ryu maybe? Who knows..? But my gut tells me this isn’t the big pitching add. I still think there’s another coming via trade.

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  149. 272 Vox O'Reasoñ December 4, 2019 at 12:54 pm

    Agree.

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  150. 273 Gil in Mechanicsville December 4, 2019 at 1:30 pm

    Okay, replacement for Kichel done. Now Julio

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  151. 274 Vox O'Reasoñ December 4, 2019 at 1:52 pm

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  152. 275 Vox O'Reasoñ December 4, 2019 at 1:52 pm

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  153. 276 Vox O'Reasoñ December 4, 2019 at 1:56 pm

    If the Hamels signing is the only addition to the rotation, but AA takes the remaining FA $$ and brings Donaldson back, I’m perfectly OK with that. It means a guy like Newcomb or Wright or Wilson has to step up to the #5 spot, but they all are capable of it. They just have to do it.

    Rotation as of today: Soroka, Hamels, Folty, Fried, Newk/Wright/Wilson. I’ll take that to get JDon back.

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  154. 277 Gil in Mechanicsville December 4, 2019 at 2:26 pm

    Wheeler to Phillies… wheeee. this is going to be fun…

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  155. 278 Vox O'Reasoñ December 4, 2019 at 2:29 pm

    Busy day in the pitching market.

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  156. 280 Gil in Mechanicsville December 4, 2019 at 2:30 pm

    So, Braves really need to cement the BIG middle of the line-up bat, third base or left field, take your pick…

    Now, can the Braves fix Riley? We have seen his potential. What was it that happened? Injury, rookieitis?

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  157. 281 Gil in Mechanicsville December 4, 2019 at 2:31 pm

    To me, you have the Phllies and the Braves both looking for the big 3rd base bat.

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  158. 282 Gil in Mechanicsville December 4, 2019 at 2:33 pm

    Also not looked at seriously but something to think about… Camago before he was sent down to Gwinnett or after he returned. Which one is the real Johan?

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  159. 283 Vox O'Reasoñ December 4, 2019 at 2:38 pm

    TBH, I’d love nothing better than for one of the Braves top pitching prospects – Kyle Wright or Bryse Wilson – to make that final step and earn the #5 job. Both have more than a year at AAA, and neither should spend another whole season there. (And don’t sleep on Ian Anderson.)

    Newk was very good out our bullpen last season, and given the new bullpen rules beginning this upcoming season, he could be even more valuable there again. Given the choice of Newk or Grant Dayton, I’m taking Newk.

    Bottom line is that it’s really time for Wright and/or Wilson to equal their prospect status and take the next step to the ML squad. All they would do is lengthen and strengthen an already talented pitching staff.

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  160. 284 Vox O'Reasoñ December 4, 2019 at 2:41 pm

    So, Braves really need to cement the BIG middle of the line-up bat, third base or left field, take your pick

    100% agree that has to be the next step taken. And if AA has to shoot all his remaining bullets to bring JD home, then I think this team is still good enough to stay atop the division without any additional pitching.

    JD has to be priority #1 now.

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    • 285 Vox O'Reasoñ December 4, 2019 at 2:46 pm

      I think there will still be a big contract given to fill a hole, and that AA will shed a big salary to help make it happen… either the projected $6.5M owed Shane Greene, the $7.7M owed Ender Inciarte, or perhaps even a portion of the $14M owed Mark Melancon.

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  161. 286 Vox O'Reasoñ December 4, 2019 at 2:48 pm

    While I’m opining, it would be great if they could still go out and get another big arm as well as the needed big bat, but realistically I think only one of those things will happen. But I do think one of those things will still happen.

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  162. 287 Vox O'Reasoñ December 4, 2019 at 3:38 pm

    I drool thinking about the opportunity for both Max Fried and Sean Newcomb to sit at the feet of Cole Hamels and learn. In fact, from that perspective I like him better than MadBum. This deal may be for only 1 year, but it might pay off for years to come.

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  163. 288 Vox O'Reasoñ December 5, 2019 at 8:34 am

    Well, Josh Donaldson is not a Brave yet. What’s AA’s problem? It’s been at least several hours since the Hamels signing. What are they doing over there?
    😉

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  164. 289 Gil in Mechanicsville December 5, 2019 at 11:03 am

    Probably waiting for everyone on the left coast to wake up… Not sure which is better/worse, being 3 hours ahead or behind the rest of the country…

    Out to help the boss finish with the Christmas lights outside. So much for getting ahead of the curve, we left the icicles hanging from the gutters from last year as this is the most difficult task to perform each year and getting old makes more difficult each year. Guess what happens to Christmas lights when lightning zaps your house? No, it doesn’t suddenly transport your house to the Land of Oz…. It forces you to shell out another $150 to replace them all and you still have to climb a stinking ladder….

    So, later folks, let me know when AA seals the deal….

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  165. 290 Vox O'Reasoñ December 5, 2019 at 2:54 pm

    AA is cooking up a big trade… I can feel it in my gut. Not sure if he’ll pull it of before the Winter Meetings or not, but it’s gonna happen. This one is going to involve a big name and some prospects we don’t want to move. It will probably also involve someone we’re used to seeing on the field.

    The gut doesn’t lie. (It’s sometimes wrong, but it doesn’t lie.)

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  166. 292 Vox O'Reasoñ December 5, 2019 at 7:52 pm

    That’s quite the admission. I bet the GM is having a conniption about now…

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  167. 293 Gordon Lawrence December 5, 2019 at 10:25 pm

    Just thinkin’:
    Did you feel the shock waves from the MIKE MOUSTAKAS signing.
    Not thrilled by the HAMELS get.
    This move combined with Moose elsewhere says to me,” JOSH DONALDSON has at least a 50-50 shot at returning as a BRAVE.”
    That eventually isn’t terrible of course.
    Then there’s always the trade route for another 3B rather than inhouse options.
    I’m not all that comfortable with RILEY/CAMARGO at 3B, and LH HAMELS the only vet get on the hill.
    I’m not sure we make another SP move, however.
    If COLE was the low-priced market-spread at 18m for one, and the “Bringer” is in the 25m per range, we could be essentially done at that point with his acquisition.
    Without DONALDSON, we must surely get a short term bat with some pop in the outfield like a YASAIL PUIG.
    We have the LH’er now, so if NEWCOMB doesn’t pan out as a starter, HAMELS is the insurance policy.
    I still don’t see that TOR we need though, and I’m not sure he will magically appear in a BRAVES uni.
    That MOUSTAKAS earthquake may create some cracks in our foundation for 2020 if AA doesn’t mix enough financial morter to repair the damage.

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  168. 294 Vox O'Reasoñ December 6, 2019 at 8:47 am

    Just my opinion, but…

    If we DO re-sign Donaldson, but the result is that we enter the 2020 season with the current rotation options, then I believe I can still sleep at night.

    If we DO NOT address 3B, but we DO add a TOTR arm instead, I’m honestly not as comfortable.

    Here’s my reasoning: Adding another rotation arm will only directly effect 1 out of 5 games. But not having that power source hitting behind Freddie will effect the way the lineup turns every single game. And if I had to place a vote of confidence on who will prove to be more consistent in 2020, our in-house 3B’s or our young pitchers, I’m probably leaning toward our young pitchers.

    BUT… all of that is speculation.

    I still believe that before P&CR, AA will add 3 more items, maybe even in this order: 3B, rotation arm, and UTIL. I believe that some or maybe most of that will come via trade. He’s got some chips to work with, and I believe he’ll cash them in this year. We also can’t so focused on pitching and 3B that we forget that at this moment we don’t have a complete bench. Adding an everyday 3B will help to shake that out somewhat, but we still need to replace Charlie… and lest we forget we still need to replace Matt Joyce as well.

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    • 295 Vox O'Reasoñ December 6, 2019 at 8:51 am

      I suppose the thinking could be that deploying a LF platoon of Adam Duvall/Nick Markakis effectively replaces Matt Joyce since that gives you 4 OF already. And maybe it does. I’ll have to think about that one. But the new 26-man roster also gives you the ability to have a traditional 5-man bench again. As I see it right now, we have Flow as BUC, Johan as IF/OF (assuming 3B is addressed), and the leftover of Duvall/Markakis. That’s it. Need a LH bopper and real SS option.

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    • 296 Vox O'Reasoñ December 6, 2019 at 8:54 am

      I’d like to see Matt Joyce return to our bench. I think he fits it well. Rumor is that the Orioles want to sign Adeiny Hechavarría to be their everyday SS, so the option to bring him back to our bench is likely off the table. Need a slick glove kinda guy.

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      • 297 Vox O'Reasoñ December 6, 2019 at 9:09 am

        Wonder if recently non-tendered Jose Peraza could reunite with the Braves? He’s a guy that played alot of SS, but turned into a UTIL player last season in Cincy, playing all over the field for the Red Legs.

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      • 298 Vox O'Reasoñ December 6, 2019 at 9:13 am

        … and there isn’t a real in-house option at SS in the system. The closest is youngster Braden Shewmake who finished 2019 at AA Pearl after being drafted last June. But he’s realistically 2 years from being a ML contributor.

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  169. 299 Vox O'Reasoñ December 6, 2019 at 9:45 am

    I need to reiterate, I believe that AA will make at least one trade to address our rotation needs. It likely won’t be for an “ace” per se, but it will be for a proven effective starter. Someone like Matthew Boyd, Robbie Ray or Jon Gray fit that bill. I think CLE is keeping Corey Kluber.

    The Bosox need to cut payroll desperately, and might consider trading Eduardo Rodriguez for the right package. That’d be a nice “get” for AA. He’s a LH that won 19 games last season with a 3.81 over 203.1 IP, and is projected to earn $9.5M in his 3rd trip through arb. As a Super 2 guy, he’ll get a 4th year of arb in 2021 before hitting the FA market in 2022.

    The Sawx might consider a trade if we send back an upper level prospect (Kyle Wright?) and a lower cost rotation option to plug in (Sean Newcomb?). Almost certainly need to throw in another mid-level prospect as well. That is probably a basic skeleton of any deal to bring back a proven arm.

    GM’s are going to ask for Max Fried. It’s gonna be tough to discern what’s a good deal and what isn’t. I think Fried can be as good as any of the veteran names we’ve already mentioned. That curve… devastating…

    And you can bet the Pirates will explore dumping Chris Archer. It’d be a “sell-low” scenario for them, so they could wait until mid-season in hopes that he rebuilds his value. I wonder if he can bounce back to his prior effectiveness, or is the 2019 version the real version? I think he can be good again under the right coaching and in the right environment, and he’s signed for 2 more seasons at a fairly affordable $9M and &11M respectively. Maybe AA works a blockbuster with PIT to acquire both Archer and Starling Marte? Be still my heart…

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  170. 300 Vox O'Reasoñ December 6, 2019 at 9:54 am

    I see only 2 “untouchable” players for the Braves, those being P Ian Anderson and OF Cristian Pache. I believe there are 3 more who are just outside of being “untouchable”, and the return would have to be exceptional to include them, those being OF Drew Waters, P Kyle Muller, and C Shea Langeliers.

    There is no way Cristian Pache is not starting for the Braves in CF in 2021.

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  171. 302 Vox O'Reasoñ December 6, 2019 at 12:27 pm

    Does William Contreras qualify?

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  172. 303 Vox O'Reasoñ December 6, 2019 at 2:08 pm

    That comment above led me to think… have we ever done a straight up comparison between Shea Langeliers and William Contreras? It might be worth taking a look at.

    Langeliers, the Braves #5 prospect, was the Braves top draft pick last year (9th overall) out of Baylor University. He’s known for his defensive prowess behind the plate, and he was the 2018 Rawlings/ABCA Gold Glove recipient as the best defensive catcher in college baseball. He threw out 22 of 32 would be base-stealers (68.8%) as a sophomore in 2018 and nailed 13 of 23 would be thieves (56.5%) as a junior. The strong-armed Langeliers produced 1.8 second pop times at Baylor; the Major League average pop time on steal attempts is 2.01 seconds, and an average in the 1.9 range is considered elite. After being drafted, he bypassed Rookie League going straight to low-A Rome where he started slow but finished strong showing a final slash line of .255/.310/.343. He grades at plus to plus-plus across the board except in running, where he grades a 40/80. He obviously has some work to do on his hitting, but his defense is considered MLB-level right now. He’s projected to make his ML debut in 2022. At 22, he’s actually a year older than his catching mate William Contreras. Interestingly, his pre-draft ML comp was Cubs catcher Willson Contreras.

    The 21-year-old William Contreras, the Braves #8 prospect, was an int’l signee in 2015 and has steadily progressed his way up the system ladder since. He’s the younger brother of the aforementioned Willson Contreras, so he has a ML pedigree. Defensively, he’s always had a strong arm and is considered to be a good receiver, and has the agility to be a good pitch blocker. He’s proven to be a bit of a free-swinger at times, but he doesn’t strike out a ton, however he also doesn’t walk much. His power is still not consistent, but is expected to develop more as he grows a little more into his “man body”. Still, the power element is not a plus grade on his ratings. He does score at plus to plus-plus at most other phases, the exception also being running where he likewise grades a 40/80. He finished 2019 at AA after toiling the first half of the season at high-A Florida, ending with a composite slash line of .255/.315/.354. William is projected to make his ML debut in 2021. It should come as little surprise that he’s often compared to his big brother Willson Contreras.

    (And it’s equally interesting that the Braves had been connected to trade chatter for Willson Contreras prior to inking Travis d’Arnaud.)

    Looking just at the raw numbers, there is great similarity to the 2 catchers right now offensively, but Langeliers has the upper hand defensively. Both catchers are projected to be regular contributors at the ML level. Langeliers appears to be on a higher trajectory based on his already present elite defense. Either could develop into a complete product and have very productive ML careers if the continue to develop as expected. But with prospects, you simply never know when they will find their ceiling and stall. Christian Bethancourt anybody?

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    • 304 berigan2electricboogaloo December 6, 2019 at 6:37 pm

      V, while I am not sold on Marte (have you seen his Defensive metrics? Not a fan of those numbers usually, but have seen twice that 2 ratings are near the bottom of CF’ers…. is Marte better than Acuna in CF???? Can handle it for this year , then move to Left/right in 2021?
      perhaps we could go after some other outfielder and use a catcher as bait?

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  173. 307 Vox O'Reasoñ December 7, 2019 at 9:45 am

    Today’s prediction:

    Rendon will sign with TEX; WAS will go all in on Strasburg; JDon will come home to ATL; AA will trade for pitching.

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  174. 308 Gil in Mechanicsville December 7, 2019 at 10:21 am

    I can deal with that.

    LOL… Scott Boras was ranting that Lerner said that DC could not afford both Rendon and Strausberg. Now, I don’t blame SB after all, he is just trying to squeeze every nickle out of the system that he can, I would say he is only looking out for his client(s) but above all, Scott Boras is looking out for Scott Boras.

    So, will anyone sign before Christmas? Getting close to the end of the year slow time. Everyone is distracted by shopping, travel, using vacation time and life. I use to hate January because all the big bosses would come back from their vacations in Europe and feel like they had to make something happen.

    Okay, make it happen Alex…

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    • 309 Gordon Lawrence December 7, 2019 at 5:17 pm

      It already has happened.
      REDS locking up MOUSTAKAS.
      AA’s control of this off-season slipped away when that went down.

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      • 310 Vox O'Reasoñ December 8, 2019 at 7:32 am

        I believe the deal Moose signed will have a ripple effect on the rest of the market, but I don’t think it has cost AA the ability to do what he wants this offseason. We are the ones, with the help of the speculative media, who connected Moose to ATL anyway. I never read anything from the Braves front office regarding any specific interest. And while it certainly made sense to consider him a “fallback option”, clearly the market decided he was a first tier choice.

        AA still has options from which to choose to fill the void left by JDon… including JDon himself. And as we’ve seen demonstrated several times already this offseason, a deal can come together quickly without even the slightest hint of anything occurring. AA has plenty of cards left to play. This upcoming week should be fun and interesting.

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  175. 311 Vox O'Reasoñ December 8, 2019 at 12:11 pm

    Oh joy…

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  176. 312 Vox O'Reasoñ December 8, 2019 at 12:31 pm

    It would seem that there are at least a few “experts” who believe that the winning team in the Josh Donaldson lottery may need to offer 4 years, which almost certainly gives AL teams an advantage in that they could utilize JDon as a DH a little here and there, and lot more in the 3rd and 4th years. But I’m not convinced that’s as much as an advantage as first meets the eye. Many are not aware, or at least not thinking about the fact that the current CBA between the owners and MLBPA runs out at the end of the 2021 season. And if the owners want to prevent a work stoppage (also known by the ugly “S” word that I shall not type), they will need to come to the table with some meaty concessions. IMO, the one bargaining chip they can offer that the players would surely embrace is the adopting of the DH by the NL. And whether or not I like it doesn’t matter. It’s inevitable. I accepted it a while ago when I realized that it has at times in the past given AL teams a distinct advantage in assembling rosters. And the JDon conundrum is a prime example of it. Is it feasible for the Braves to offer 4 years to the already 34 year old former MVP?

    But perhaps this time AA can look ahead to the next CBA when considering his offer that will extend past the 2021 season whether it’s for 3 or 4 years. The DH is coming. You can bank on it. The addition of the 26th man on the active roster is a foreshadowing of it. And NL GM’s better start preparing for it.

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  177. 313 Vox O'Reasoñ December 8, 2019 at 12:50 pm

    Santa makes his first stops of the Christmas season in the 30 ML cities starting tomorrow. I am so excited!! I may not sleep tonight! This is my favorite time of the year, even more than the July 31 trade deadline… although it’s very close.

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  178. 314 carolinalady December 8, 2019 at 9:20 pm

    You know what, guys?? We missed our own birthday party!
    Happy 12th birthday to US!
    111,132 hits. Not too shabby for a small group like us. Quality over quantity any day!

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    • 315 Gil in Mechanicsville December 9, 2019 at 8:30 am

      Yes CL, I glance at the birthday calendar yesterday and noticed we had missed it. I could not remember how long we had been around though and could not figure out how to get back to episode #1…. Congratulations to us and especially you for providing our little corner of the bloggasphere.

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  179. 316 berigan2electricboogaloo December 8, 2019 at 10:00 pm

    well…knock me over with a feather! I would have loved to see Dale Murphy get in too, but to be fair Mr. Simmons has been waiting a bit longer (and has a higher B.A. and drove in more RBI’s 😉 ) but seriously, I never, ever thought this would happen, at least while he was alive….
    https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/12/ted-simmons-marvin-miller-elected-to-baseball-hall-of-fame.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

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  180. 317 Vox O'Reasoñ December 9, 2019 at 8:27 am

    Ignoring Dale Murphy for the HOF is a travesty. No disrespect to Ted Simmons or anyone else already enshrined, but when the Hall can continuously snub Murphy – he received “less than 3” votes – while including Harold Baines… yes Harold Baines who never finished higher than 9th in MVP voting in his entire career, discredits the Hall as a whole.

    I no longer care. It has lost all credibility.

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    • 318 Vox O'Reasoñ December 9, 2019 at 8:39 am

      Lobbying from a well placed MLB exec should have no influence. Just illustrates the loss of integrity.

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  181. 319 Gil in Mechanicsville December 9, 2019 at 8:35 am

    Yes, I know Ber has been on the Ted Simmons band wagon a long time. I actually saw Simmons play in Richmond as a first baseman. Wow, a long time ago and I was maybe 12 or so. Hard to remember that far in the past but it was when Seattle’s nickname was the Pilots from which he was acquired.

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  182. 320 Vox O'Reasoñ December 9, 2019 at 8:36 am

    Well, Joc Pederson… there’s your 36 HR’s. He’s no JD, but he’s also projected to earn just $8.5M in his last year of arb, which also means it’s a short commitment. We know that AA likes to operate in short commitments to hired guns.

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    • 321 Gil in Mechanicsville December 9, 2019 at 11:33 am

      I have absolutely no idea of what Alex has in mind other than adding someone new to the roster that we don’t know about or thought about. At least someone we have not had on our radar. Perhaps somewhere deep in the bowls of Sun Trust Park where all the IT guys are busy crunching their analytical scouting, they have come up with a master plan to acquirer Joc Peterson or something but I am a little bumfuzzeled as to why they let Dansby’s twin brother go.

      Prophet star for me maybe…. 🙂

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  183. 322 Vox O'Reasoñ December 9, 2019 at 9:12 am

    If I am Josh Donaldson, I’m waiting for Anthony Rendon to sign first. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that JD’s market will intensify when the big fish comes off the board. Of course, Rendon is represented by Scott Boras, who will seek to milk the last dime out of any team interested. Keny Rosensource was reporting last night that Boras is seeking a 7 year commitment for Rendon.

    TEX is of course the presumed favorite to sign Rendon. They need a high profile star to help open their new building, and nobody fits that bill better than Rendon who is a Texas native and played college ball at Rice University in nearby Houston. He actually is the ideal acquisition for the Rangers, who have not been bashful about expressing their desire to bring Rendon home. Of course, that only gives Boras more leverage with which to negotiate.

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  184. 323 Vox O'Reasoñ December 9, 2019 at 9:15 am

    It’s now after 6am in San Diego. Time to rise and shine and make deals.

    Ready… go!

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  185. 324 berigan2electricboogaloo December 9, 2019 at 9:22 am

    well…I’m happy about Ted Simmons finally getting in. :/
    V, Ted was, pardon the language CL, screwed out of the honor by the Hated (at least by me) Whitey Herzog, made sure he didn’t get enough votes decades ago. He’s 70 now. I was wondering if he was even in ill health, to be the only player voted in by the vets. Sadly, there is politics involved in the process…. Murph will get in.
    Keith Hernandez tweeted about Simmons getting in…
    https://twitter.com/keithhernandez/status/1204036607919247362

    now here’s the thing, Keith Hernandez was one of the best 1st basemen…ever! (some even say the best) and while he played for the Mutts for several years, and broadcasts for them to this day….not enough HOF votes for him either. Like Dale, he crashed in his early 30’s (last good season was his age 33 year) but, a .296 career B.A. .384 OBP, fewer strikeouts than walks, and HOF defense, and 29 seasons since his last game…
    Murph, Simmons, and Hernandez all suffered playing on lousy teams much of their careers…pre espn, MLB.TV, etc…

    M

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  186. 325 Gil in Mechanicsville December 9, 2019 at 11:38 am

    I’m having a tough time staying awake this morning…. Too much politics, not enough real news…

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  187. 326 Vox O'Reasoñ December 9, 2019 at 1:04 pm

    It’s sure sounding more and more like the winner of the Josh Donaldson sweepstakes is gonna have to guarantee that 4th year to make it happen. I just don’t think AA is gonna do that… :-/

    It’s time to start giving serious consideration to realistic alternatives.

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  188. 327 Vox O'Reasoñ December 9, 2019 at 2:03 pm

    I swear these guys get their material from the ol’ B&S…

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  189. 329 Vox O'Reasoñ December 9, 2019 at 2:07 pm

    B&S poll question:

    If the Braves cannot pony up the hefty contract for JD, would you be comfortable with a power OF bat and Camargo/Riley sharing 3B?

    Remember, losing JD not only means losing his production, it also directly affects Freddie Freeman who enjoyed what it meant to have a real cleanup hitter behind him.

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    • 330 Gil in Mechanicsville December 9, 2019 at 2:56 pm

      Yes, like I said, a power bat to protect Freddie could be either 3rd baseman or outfielder. I also believe Acuna will progress to be a clean up hitter as he matures. So yes, I think we could live with it either way.

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  190. 331 Vox O'Reasoñ December 9, 2019 at 2:39 pm

    The latest chatter on Kris Bryant says the Cubs would love to be able to move him now while the 3B feeding frenzy is in full swing. Reports way they want cheap LH pitching. That means he’d probably cost Sean Newcomb and Kyle Muller. Maybe you could hang onto Muller if you dangled Tucker Davidson and another throw-in.

    At any rate, the price will be steep, especially since the outcome of his grievance against the Cubs is still unknown. TO refresh your memories, his grievance against the Cubs states the club manipulated his service time in order to gain an extra year of team control. He is seeking to gain an extra year of service time, meaning he would become a FA in 2021. Most “experts” believe he will lose that grievance because the Cubs were within their rights to call him up to the ML club whenever they chose to do so. But the possibility still remains that he could be a 1 year rental.

    This fan says I’d love the deal if we had the assurance that an agreement on a long-term deal would come along with it. But Bryant’s agent is Scott Boras, so the possibility of an extension is not very high. Still, I’d rather commit long term $$ to Kris Bryant over Josh Donaldson. Maybe Boras would look at a trade + extension as hitting the FA market early if the $$ were right.

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  191. 332 Vox O'Reasoñ December 9, 2019 at 2:42 pm

    This is the reason AA struck early in the reliever market. Glad our guy is out ahead of the curve.

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  192. 333 Vox O'Reasoñ December 9, 2019 at 2:44 pm

    Is there anyone on the business that cites “sources” as much as Kenny Rosensource?

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  193. 334 Vox O'Reasoñ December 9, 2019 at 2:50 pm

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  194. 338 Vox O'Reasoñ December 9, 2019 at 2:55 pm

    Now that the Nats have a deal in place for Strasburg, it takes them out of the running for Rendon. That’s a good thing for the Braves since it increases the chances of Rendon going to TEX or LAD, shrinking the market for JD.

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  195. 340 Gil in Mechanicsville December 9, 2019 at 3:05 pm

    So, how long before the Nats charge $100 for bleacher seats?

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  196. 341 Vox O'Reasoñ December 9, 2019 at 3:07 pm

    There is already speculation that WAS might look at JD since they are out on Rendon, but that doesn’t make alot of sense to me. While JD won’t make the same level of $$ that Rendon will, it’s still in that upper tier. Plus, the Nats’ #1 prospect (and baseball’s #20) is a kid named Carter Kieboom, who is listed as a SS. We all know that no one is moving Trea Turner off SS for the Nats. A move to 3B is actually more natural for Kieboom, whose 6’2″ / 190 lb. frame projects quite well to the hot corner.

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  197. 342 Vox O'Reasoñ December 9, 2019 at 3:55 pm

    I still believe the Braves are positioned to make a big trade, and that we will all be surprised by the names involved (going both ways) since the ever stealthy AA has a track record of pulling names out of left field… maybe this time literally.

    Something else to think about…

    The 40-man roster currently sits at 38, and the Braves need to add 1 starting pitcher, 1 cleanup hitter, and 1 bench piece. That adds up to 41 according to my public school education. I fully expect to see one of our current pitchers go away. Actually, I expect to see both a starter (Newk or Folty) and a reliever (Greene) sent off in trade along with at least one of our prized prospects.

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  198. 343 berigan2electricboogaloo December 9, 2019 at 3:58 pm

    remember how excited we all were last year about a 22 year old 3rd baseman, named Riley?How he was hotter than a pistol in AAA, and for about 6 weeks, what smokin’ hot in the majors? then, he got just as cool. Well, does he even have 200 games between AA and AAA? We are just going to give up on him now? Trade him away for a #3 starter, as there are NO #1’s or even #2’s out there to trade for (If I’m wrong, please toss some names my way)
    check out Dale Murphy’s age 22 season, when teams ran out starters much longer than they do today (and better bullpen arms today as well) 23 Hrs 79 RBIs 145 strikeouts .226 BA .284 OBP. did they trade him away? (ok, not really fair, as there was no talent to replace him then, was there?) He had a couple of decent seasons, then , at the age of 25….104 games, 14 HR’s 50 RBI’s and .247 BA.
    I know, the braves sucked, but…a 25 year old today (ala Jose Peraza ) is considered old as a position player, and you might trade, or even release him. If they braves had gotten rid of him then, then they would have lost out on 4 MVP or MVP worthy seasons in a row (and would have missed on the playoffs in 82)
    I’m just saying….yeah, if you can get Chris Bryant, I can see doing that. but, otherwise, what are we going to do with him? JD was great, but will he be for 4 more years? No reason to keep Riley around after he is signed, unless they are willing to keep him in left. Would they?
    It’s just weird how quick everyone seems to be to rid ourselves of our top prospects after they got half a season or so to prove themselves. Do I want to get to and win a W.S.! Hell ya!
    do I think yet another AVERAGE starter is what we need? No….Give Bryce Wilson (22 in a week or so) Touki, etc a chance…..I mean, wasn’t every trade to get arms? Only Soroka, Fried, and Ian Anderson , out of all those guys?

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    • 344 Vox O'Reasoñ December 9, 2019 at 4:34 pm

      It’s just weird how quick everyone seems to be to rid ourselves of our top prospects after they got half a season or so to prove themselves.

      Give Bryce Wilson (22 in a week or so) Touki, etc a chance

      I do not necessarily disagree, but… Riley had a great half season, then began to be exposed on certain pitches once “the book” got out on him. Can he make the adjustment? Maybe he can. But the Braves are no longer in wait and see mode. The Braves are in WIN NOW mode, which means they need certainty in the lineup from Day 1. I hope Riley does make the necessary adjustment and reaches the potential we all see in him, but he’s gonna need steady AB’s for that to happen and the Braves cannot afford for his development to continue at the ML level.

      If Wilson or Wright or any other youngster truly wins a spot on the roster, then God bless them and go win games. But my hope is that there won’t be a spot for them to try to win. I prefer the proven commodity at this stage.

      It reminds me of when the Braves traded for Fred McGriff. The fan debate centered around top 1B prospect Ryan Klesko, who was in pretty much the same position Austin Riley is in now. I remember arguing with co-workers that if Klesko panned out to what we wanted, he’d be what McGriff already was. I’ll take the certainty over the possibility any day when I’m trying to win a division that’s getting better around me. And the comparison is even more valid when you consider that the Cubs reportedly are seeking LH pitching and a CF in return for Bryant. That means Riley would remain in the system… much like Klesko did. It also means Riley could see more time in LF… much like Klesko did.

      Remember, prospects are developed for 2 reasons: 1, contribute at the ML level; and 2, be traded to fill holes. This is the year that some of our vaunted prospects will have to do one or the other.

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  199. 345 Vox O'Reasoñ December 9, 2019 at 4:12 pm

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  200. 346 Vox O'Reasoñ December 9, 2019 at 4:44 pm

    I have seen mentioned in a couple of places that the Cubs would want Max Fried in any package for Kris Bryant.

    Not just no, but #3!! no. I’m not giving Max Fried up for anyone except maybe Jacob deGrom.

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  201. 347 Vox O'Reasoñ December 9, 2019 at 4:47 pm

    Let me reiterate, I want the 2020 Braves rotation to include Mike Soroka, Cole Hamels and Max Fried in the very least. I see Fried as a real breakout candidate for 2020. I think he’s going to establish himself among the league’s best LH’ers. No way should he be included in any deals. Period.

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  202. 348 Vox O'Reasoñ December 9, 2019 at 5:41 pm

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  203. 349 berigan2electricboogaloo December 9, 2019 at 9:34 pm

    v, I have been thinking about this for awhile…perhaps too much 😉 Let’s see if I can make any sense here….probably not.

    the braves won the division , won the season series against the Nats and….the Nats beat the Dodgers, the team that beat the Braves, and won the W.S.
    is the 162 game season just a joke? I mean, we were all filled with such hope for the playoffs, and poof…an inferior team walked right over us (like they had the signs or something in game 5)

    I almost feel like we have to think of the regular season as what it is, a complete entity unto itself. In other words, be really happy that our team won the division, then realize that our team is NOT likely to get into the W.S. the odds are against that, and IF it happens, be even happier than before of course….but it shouldn’t even relate to the great regular season. Of course it does, but a hot team , a hot starter, can roll over anyone…like the Nats

    So, the braves as of today (no doubt as I write this, the braves will either re-sign JD, or trade for Mookie Betts) is a team that surprisingly won the 2018 NL East, and then surprisingly won the 2019 NL East (well, surprisingly to MLB writers that don’t really follow the team) we needed a starter, and bullpen help for much of the season, yet…we still won the division.
    The Nats won 93 games, even after letting Bryce Harper go, and not replacing him. The Yankees seemingly had no real rotation, only signed one guy, and they were in a division with the W.S. champ Red Sox! the Yanks lost their all star 3rd baseman . They were going to go with the since retired Troy Tulowitzki at shortstop for their injured shortstop. Their 1st baseman was injured. Key bullpen arms were down. They still won 100 games. My point? well….why can’t the braves go with Austin Riley or Wilson in the rotation? Wasn’t the team in a win now mode…in 2019?
    I really like the bullpen, I don’t want to see anyone in the pen traded away. an injury or two, then what?
    The Outfield is…not great. actually have less concerns over RF than CF or LF if a trade is not swung for a big bopper…That’s were I see the real need. that big bopper could/should be the bat behind F.F. Riley and/or Comargo can hold the fort at 3rd if JD doesn’t re-up. I know, the Phils have improved, the Mutts still have a very good rotation, the Nats while likely no better, won’t be a lot worse. Their wunderkind that you mentioned up a post or two…well, he may come up next year, who knows? ( I still can see them re-signing their 3rd baseman, no matter how poor the Nats Ownership claims to be) I don’t think after Soto, and Trea Turner, they are too concerned about throwing a kid into the fire, so to speak.
    the Braves can still win 90 games, if they stay healthy. Heck, with no Julio T on the team, most any starter will go deeper into games, resting the great bullpen even more!

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    • 350 Vox O'Reasoñ December 10, 2019 at 8:04 am

      IMHO, the Braves have no shot at defending their NL East crown without acquiring a real cleanup hitter to provide the same consistent threat that JD posed behind Freddie int he lineup. I do believe they can compete with the starting pitching they have right now, even though I think it could be better. But I would be more willing to go into the season with my young pitching than I would trying to pin offensive hopes on Adam Duvall, Johan Camargo, and Austin Riley.

      2 things must happen: acquire a middle of the order bat, and acquire a backup SS. Those are definite needs. Everything else is just enhancement.

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  204. 351 Vox O'Reasoñ December 10, 2019 at 7:53 am

    Nothing new here…

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  205. 352 Vox O'Reasoñ December 10, 2019 at 7:55 am

    Interest? Maybe. Pursuing the veteran that is now seeking a longer term deal than AA will offer? I doubt it very seriously unless Liberty Media has simply opened up the vault for reckless plunder.

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  206. 353 Vox O'Reasoñ December 10, 2019 at 9:14 am

    AA from his presser yesterday, courtesy of the abundance of beat writers:

    “I think it’s fair to say we want something for the middle of the order”

    “Look, we’ve been pretty clear that we would like to get a defender at shortstop, a utility role w/ defense being the No. 1 characteristic. So that’s definitely on our list. And the 26th man we’re not sure yet (how they’ll utilize it).”

    Again, no news here… but it does clarify that we are pretty much on track of what to expect.

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  207. 354 Gordon Lawrence December 10, 2019 at 9:24 am

    MADBUM is still a no for me.
    Same with COLE HAMELS.
    I’d rather let our young arms learn how to pitch at the major league level even to the detriment of pennants and championships.
    Patience is warrented here, and hopefully, AA has it.
    Additionally, we should never trade top young prospects for aging top veterans.
    That’s fools gold, and no way to build a top flight program.

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    • 355 Vox O'Reasoñ December 10, 2019 at 9:43 am

      You do not like the Cole Hamels deal? IMO, Hamels is the ideal veteran to bring along our young lefties. I’m pretty happy we brought him in to give a veteran presence to the youngsters. He’s battle tested and reputed to be a great teammate.

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      • 356 Gordon Lawrence December 10, 2019 at 9:56 am

        I don’t.
        My opinion of HAMELS is not good at this stage of his career irrespective of any numbers.
        However, looking at numbers, a WAR last year of 3.00 career 59.6. A whip of 1.391 with a career of 1.183.
        He will be 36+ when the season starts.
        Injury is problematic as is his power.
        Hopefully, he’s adapted his game, and learned to get outs with smarts not voltage.
        If the guy is out of the rotation by September, either through injury or ineptitude, you can say you read it first right here………
        If he has a stellar resurrection ala JOSH DONALDSON, you can remind me I was wrong.

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        • 357 Gordon Lawrence December 10, 2019 at 10:18 am

          I agree with you on one point only. relating to COLE
          The teaching aspect and clubhouse demeanor.
          Both of which are excellent in my opinion.
          That’s the only plus I see at this point to a HAMELS get.
          Last season, I felt NICK was washed up, but Kakes is like a fine wine, it mellows softly, and ages slowly.
          I’m sure management has impressed that fact upon the Neck, or they would not have offered another one-year contract.
          He will be excellent in a platoon circumstance in 2020.
          I was wrong about NICK, and will be happy to be typing the same next off-season about HAMELS, and BUMGARNER as well if we acquire his contract.
          At least MADBUM’s WHIP was near his career average last season 1.127, even if his WAR plummeted to 2.8 from a career 37.1 mark.
          And he starts the season at 30 not 36.
          Besides he’s from HICKORY, NORTH CAROLINA, and hickory’s are tough.
          I can see a MB get at least on a one-year contract.
          I suspect he’s looking for quite a bit more than that guarantee, however.

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    • 358 Gordon Lawrence December 10, 2019 at 9:44 am

      Moose is in the rearview, so it appears to me that the “Bringer” is the only option available to us short of trade for a KRIS BRYANT.
      Frankly, I think JD is going to land a humongous contract for an extended period.
      26-28m for four years probably with a fifth-year option, and a small buyout.
      That is not to my liking.
      I really don’t want a 38 year-old starting for us at 3B in four years.
      I’ve seen far too many aging vets start cashing those retirement checks as their offensive play plummets at the plate.
      I would prefer another one-year deal on another aging vet like Josh’s was last year.
      Thing is, you don’t catch lightning in a bottle twice.
      CAMARGO and RILEY are still spotty offensively, but I think they should platoon at 3B unless one bombs and the other flourishes at the plate.
      If they both bomb then move on mid-season to a trade for a top prospect in another organization.
      Their defense is adequate at least.
      If it costs us a pennant so be it.

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  208. 359 Vox O'Reasoñ December 10, 2019 at 9:40 am

    Jon Paul Morosi, MLB.com: *”The Nationals have made an initial inquiry to the Cubs about trading for third baseman Kris Bryant, sources say.”

    This would be a revolting development.

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  209. 361 berigan2electricboogaloo December 10, 2019 at 10:17 am

    IMHO, the Braves have no shot at defending their NL East crown without acquiring a real cleanup hitter to provide the same consistent threat that JD posed behind Freddie int he lineup

    V, oh no disagreement there! I would think nick castellanos (58! doubles last year) would be right up A.A.’s alley….no draft pick attached since he was traded mid season..wouldn’t have to trade anyone for him, naturally. yeah, we have all heard defense is not great…well, he’s 27, guys can get better. more power than Marte (a bit more) younger….but, what will he ask for/get?
    I like the idea of Marcell Ozuna ,(would hurt Cards too) tons of power, but his arm has gone south, and no doubt a draft pick would be lost right? that wouldn’t make sense then.
    as for trade candidates….hmmm, any ideas?

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  210. 362 Gordon Lawrence December 10, 2019 at 10:27 am

    No mention by AA on potential outfield prospects.
    A sure sign something’s afoot.
    If they got to ST with MARKAKIS/RILEY in a left field platoon, ENDER INCIARTE in cf, and RON ACUNA in right, that’s O.K. by me.
    The BRAVES are prohibited in adding a 14th pitcher, so the 26th man must be a position player..
    It may well be ADAM DUVALL.

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    • 363 Vox O'Reasoñ December 10, 2019 at 11:00 am

      No mention by AA on potential outfield prospects. A sure sign something’s afoot.

      If there’s anything we’ve learned about AA at this point it’s that we never know who or what or where. He is the true Ninja GM.

      And I agree, Gordon, that adding the middle of the order bat in the form of an OF seems more likely at this juncture. There are a few out there that would fit the bill, Joc Pederson among them.

      And I still believe there is a big trade to come for the Braves. Whether or not it’s consummated before tomorrow is unknown. But they’ll make a big trade. It’s coming.

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  211. 364 Vox O'Reasoñ December 10, 2019 at 11:09 am

    Would this lineup play?

    Ronald Acuña, Jr., RF (R)
    Ozzie Albies, 2B (S)
    Freddie Freeman, 1B (L)
    Joc Pederson, LF (L)
    Travis d’Arnaud, C (R)
    Riley/Camargo, 3B (platoon)
    Dansby Swanson, SS (R)
    Ender Inciarte, CF (L)

    It’s not too shabby. Gotta get something consistent out of Ender, though, or he’ll lose playing time to the rookie Cristian Pache. And it won’t hurt my feelings if it happens sooner than later.

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  212. 365 Vox O'Reasoñ December 10, 2019 at 11:44 am

    Gerrit Cole and Anthony Rendon are likely the linchpins that hold the rest of the silly season at bay. They will be the standard bearers. Likely every other pitcher is waiting to see what massive amount Cole extracts from the Yankees or Angels or Dodgers, and every hitter is waiting to see where Rendon lands so they can hold court with the remaining needy teams. In my estimation, the dam won’t really break until those 2 sign. The exception may be Josh Donaldson, who has enough suitors now that someone may simply overpay to get the deal done. Texas? Don’t be surprised.

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  213. 366 Vox O'Reasoñ December 10, 2019 at 12:19 pm

    I keep reading that the Yankees are “actively” trying to move LHP J.A. Happ to clear payroll space for their push to sign Gerrit Cole. Happ is due $34M over the next 2 seasons. I wonder if they would be motivated to attach OF Clint Frazier to a trade to get it done, and I wonder what the cost would be?

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    • 367 Vox O'Reasoñ December 10, 2019 at 12:26 pm

      Correction…

      The $34M deal was for 2019 & 2020, with a $17M vesting option for 2021 that triggers if he totals 165 innings or 27 starts.

      The 37-year-old Happ is not a certainty to reach those numbers, but if he does he might be worth it. And the reality is that he’d be the 5th starter at best. He could also be moved before the season even starts to a pitching needy team.

      Clint Frazier is the real goal here.

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  214. 368 Vox O'Reasoñ December 10, 2019 at 12:30 pm

    Wouldn’t it be nice to have 2 young RH power hitters in Austin Riley and Clint Frazier growing into their own around Freddie Freeman and Ronald Acuña, Jr., and under cheap team control for the foreseeable future?

    I’d be willing to pay the salary to Happ now if that was even remotely possible.

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  215. 369 Vox O'Reasoñ December 10, 2019 at 1:48 pm

    Brock Holt?

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  216. 371 Vox O'Reasoñ December 10, 2019 at 3:33 pm

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  218. 373 Vox O'Reasoñ December 10, 2019 at 5:06 pm

    Having a ninja for a GM is great for the Braves and for deal making, but it’s murder on us news starved fans. That said, when he pulls off some major acquisition that none of us saw coming, the celebrating will be loud and festive.

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  219. 374 berigan2electricboogaloo December 10, 2019 at 6:30 pm

    Would this lineup play?

    Ronald Acuña, Jr., RF (R)
    Ozzie Albies, 2B (S)
    Freddie Freeman, 1B (L)
    Joc Pederson, LF (L)

    I’m not adverse to Pederson, but Pederson had….49 AB’s against lefties, no homers, 1 RBI. so, every time a left handed starter….starts….Corbin, etc…then Adam Duvall will be behind FF. FF is likely to be walked even with Pederson behind him, with Duvall? All day long. Now, Pederson was super clutch late in games (still not a lot of RBI’s considering 36 HR’s) perhaps the braves would let him hit against lefties????

    I like this idea more… Wouldn’t it be nice to have 2 young RH power hitters in Austin Riley and Clint Frazier growing into their own around Freddie Freeman and Ronald Acuña, Jr., and under cheap team control for the foreseeable future?

    I’d be willing to pay the salary to Happ now if that was even remotely possible.

    Now I like that idea. Trade Newcomb…and…???? that’s the tough thing….will they want a young outfielder? Guess that would be a dealbreaker…we would be helping……the….Yankees…save money….think about that for a minute! so they can’t ask for too much, right????

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  220. 377 Vox O'Reasoñ December 10, 2019 at 7:21 pm

    The Angels just sent Zack Cozart and his whole salary to the Giants, clearing salary. The rumor is they’re about to make a hard charge at Josh Donaldson.

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  221. 378 Vox O'Reasoñ December 10, 2019 at 9:40 pm

    Not ideal, but I can think of worse things.

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  222. 380 Vox O'Reasoñ December 10, 2019 at 11:24 pm

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  223. 381 Vox O'Reasoñ December 10, 2019 at 11:33 pm

    My guess on the dominoes that begin tomorrow:

    Yanks sign Cole, Angels turn to Donaldson, Dodgers pivot to Rendon, Braves settle for Ozuna, Nats go after Bryant, Texas gets left out.

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  224. 383 berigan2electricboogaloo December 11, 2019 at 2:24 am

    Good guessing V! At least with Cole….man, was riding my stationary bike late and saw on the ol’ DVR…baseball tonight! It’s that magical time of year when my DVR finds that ESPN does ineed still exist, and records the shows….so, watched/fast forwarded thru Mondays and Tuesdays shows….After Strausberg’s 245 Mil, they were saying skies the limit with Cole , could get upwards of 9 years, 360 mil!!! Ha!!!! they were way off, 9 years, and a mere pittance, 324 MIL. Meh….I could take it or leave it… Jeff Passan , passed on some info I had never heard before. The Yankees bring in 800,000,000 Million…a year….wow….teams are lucky they cool off some years….feel sorry for the Angels (glad the Dodgers didn’t get him, we’d have a tough time getting to the W.S. with him there….he must have wanted to be a Yankee….I can’t believe one of the L.A. teams wouldn’t make a similar offer. Well, he should get them in the W.S. at least, over the next few years…when he’s in his late 30’s…..they’d better hope he’s got Justin Verlander type genes….
    now, let’s see how the rest of V’s picks, pan out
    (funny, I mentioned Ozuna, then decided the Braves wouldn’t want to lose a pick over him, and they may very well go after him!)

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  225. 385 berigan2electricboogaloo December 11, 2019 at 2:38 am

    I still like the idea of Nick Castellanos better….

    Ok, the other interesting thing I heard from the odd Jeff Passan…..he has heard that there is chatter (yester)day about the Red Sox trying to trade David Price to make room under the salary cap so they can keep Mookie Betts (won’t Red Sox fans love to hear about trading away a starter to save moola, while the Yankees get the best starter in baseball!)
    He also mentioned, that with so many other pitchers getting 30+ mil a year, and Wheeler getting 23+ mil a year, that if the Red Sox ate some of his contract over the next 3 years, that teams might want him for 22 Mil, AND they might sweeten the deal with Andrew Benintendi. Now, I just looked at his stats, and I thought he had had some incredible season, but didn’t really see that. Perhaps he cooled towards the end of 2017-18? He did go 20 HR’s 90 RBI’s, .271, 352, 20 steals as a rookie in 2017…he’s only 25….but…not really true protection behind FF, IMHO…
    Oh yeah, Price. I HATE him! but, I could learn to grit my teeth, I just don’t know if he’s worth the risk. Missed a lot of time over 2 of the last 3 seasons, but even in 107 innings last year, 126 strikeouts….just tossing the name out there….

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  226. 386 Vox O'Reasoñ December 11, 2019 at 8:44 am

    In his media scrum last night, AA had these words with regard to Austin Riley:

    “Seen it with a lot of young players first year in the league. The league adjusts to you, you have to adjust back. The makeup, the work ethic, all those things are still outstanding. And the talent is obviously big. He’s still young, so…. I have no doubt that Riley is going to be a great player, I just don’t know when.”

    I think that’s a fair statement. I also do not think he’ll trade Riley away unless the return is exceptional. Remember, Riley can make competent starts in LF as well. And in the unlikely event the Braves were to pull off a deal for Kris Bryant, he can also play LF. There are so many variables at this point…

    With the new asking price for Josh Donaldson now escalating to 4 years, I no longer see him as the best fit back here in Atlanta. I’m now in the camp for acquiring an OF’er with power. Ozuna is not my first choice, but he does check the boxes of RH with plenty of power. He would cost another draft pick, but would not cost any prominent prospects.

    To that end, I’d still like to see a guy like Joc Pederson come in for a year. Plenty of power from the LH side. It would severely stunt the playing time of Nick Markakis, but I think Nick understands at this point in his career he is more of a role player anyway. Considering LAD is trying to shed a little payroll, and that Joc is in his walk year, the prospect cost would not be very high. Now, if you could expand that deal to include utility man extraordinaire Enrique Hernandez too… now you’ve got something.

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  227. 387 Vox O'Reasoñ December 11, 2019 at 8:49 am

    Oh… and today is Crescendo Day. If anything is going to get done in San Diego, it’s gotta be today. Tomorrow promises only the Rule 5 draft and exit noises.

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  228. 388 Vox O'Reasoñ December 11, 2019 at 9:04 am

    MadBum is going to exceed earlier contract expectations by a mile…

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  229. 389 Vox O'Reasoñ December 11, 2019 at 9:28 am

    Since there seems to be alot of Braves <> Ozuna chatter at the moment, I’m going to post the summary that MLBTR gave him in their list of Top 50 FA’s:

    Ozuna’s market figures to be similar to that of [Nick] Castellanos. Ozuna does have one huge season on his resume: his 2017 campaign for the Marlins wherein he posted a career-best 143 wRC+ with 37 home runs. Miami traded him to the Cardinals afterward, and his offense in St. Louis was pedestrian. Ozuna’s 108 wRC+ over the past two seasons is worse than a more affordable free agent like Yasiel Puig. Plus, unlike Castellanos, he’s been saddled with a qualifying offer. Ozuna’s arm pretty much limits him to left field, where he has received above-average defensive marks. There is a silver lining here, and it’s in Ozuna’s Statcast numbers. Ozuna’s average exit velocity and hard-hit percentage were both in the 93rd percentile or better this year, suggesting that his current skill level will produce better results in the future. Plus, he turns 29 this month, so he’s young enough to present some upside.

    The expected contract cost for the 29-year-old Ozuna would be somewhere in the range of 3 years / $45M… not nearly the same ask as for the 34-year-old Josh Donaldson.

    Ozuna’s 2019 slash line: .241/.328/.472, 29 HR’s, 89 RBI, 2.2 WAR, batting almost exclusively as the Cards’ cleanup hitter. Against the Nats last year, he slashed .286/.333/.500.

    His overall numbers were dragged down by a terrible September, but he tore the Braves a new one in October. I remember it vividly. Maybe AA does too.

    But all this may be moot as it is appears the Reds are really focusing hard on him. I won’t be surprised to hear that a deal comes together with Cincy today. He makes more sense for them than for us as he’d be replacing the mercurial Yasiel Puig in the Reds OF. In that context, he’s a no-brainer.

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  230. 390 Vox O'Reasoñ December 11, 2019 at 9:33 am

    With Philly signing Didi Gregorius to a 1 year pillow contract yesterday, they are probably out of the running for Donaldson. But the offset of their lack of interest, the Nats are more intensely looking at JD as a fallback from Anthony Rendon. As much as I’d hate to have to face JD in the enemy camp, how much different would it be from facing them with Rendon?

    Even if it means losing him to our hated rival, I don’t think I want JD over 4 years. Maybe I’m wrong.

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  231. 392 Gil in Mechanicsville December 11, 2019 at 9:52 am

    Morning all, Yes, between Ber and Vee, everything I need to know about potential signings… No need to really go anywhere else and with Gordon keeping us up to date on the prospects.. We have the perfect blend of news we can use…

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  232. 393 Vox O'Reasoñ December 11, 2019 at 10:46 am

    Truth.

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  233. 394 Vox O'Reasoñ December 11, 2019 at 1:29 pm

    Not much chatter regarding the Braves thus far today… which leads me to believe something could be afoot. It almost seems like it’s when things go quiet that AA strikes out of nowhere.

    It also seems that if AA was truly interested in signing Ozuna it would have already happened.

    I’m guessing a trade instead of a signing. Maybe 1 trade that checks off more than 1 box. Remember, we need a cleanup bat and a backup SS, and want a versatile bench piece and another pitcher.

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  234. 395 berigan2electricboogaloo December 11, 2019 at 3:02 pm

    ok, via mlbtr, a name few have talked about… Kole Calhoun…check out his numbers last year, compared to Joc Peterson…. pretty darned close…
    https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/calhoko01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-
    https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/pederjo01.shtml

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    • 396 Vox O'Reasoñ December 11, 2019 at 3:35 pm

      The thing that stands out with me on Calhoun is that he struck out 162 times in 2019 as opposed to 111 for Joc. Neither is great, but 162..? Then again, JD had 155 himself. Calhoun is a FA with no QO attached.

      Personally, I’d like to aim a little higher. Calhoun is a guy that TOR and MIA are looking at. I’d like to continue swimming in deeper waters until we can’t anymore.

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  235. 397 Vox O'Reasoñ December 11, 2019 at 3:29 pm

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  236. 398 Vox O'Reasoñ December 11, 2019 at 4:27 pm

    Wow!

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  237. 400 Vox O'Reasoñ December 11, 2019 at 11:18 pm

    Next domino is fallen.

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  238. 401 Vox O'Reasoñ December 11, 2019 at 11:20 pm

    Can JD to TEX be too far behind?

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  239. 402 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 8:12 am

    Rosenthal via MLBTR:

    “All things being equal, Donaldson’s preference is to return to the Braves.”

    Finalists are Dodgers, Rangers, Nats, Twins & Braves. Hard to imagine all things will be equal.

    “They currently have only limited interest” in Marcell Ozuna.

    The “they” being the Braves. I feel the same way. He’d be a decent compliment to another addition, but he’s not the guy I want to pin my season on. I’d prefer Joc Pederson or Starlin Marte in a trade. I even prefer Kole Calhoun. I know there is a team among the other 29 that has a good young power hitting OF to spare for young pitching. Clint Frazier anyone? Wouldn’t NYY like to add Shane Greene to their bullpen to support their newly minted rotation?

    Atlanta is among the clubs who have concerns about Bryant’s declining glovework (as per UZR/150 and Defensive Runs Saved) over the last few seasons. This doesn’t necessarily rule out a potential trade between the Braves and Cubs since Bryant could be used as a corner outfielder, though it doesn’t seem like Bryant is at the top of the Braves’ list at this point.

    All this points to what we have discussed here over the last day or so. AA has some irons in the fire that we are not aware of . That’s typically how he operates. And if we’ve heard an early rumor, it’s probably not accurate.

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  240. 403 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 8:25 am

    I said it earlier, and I’ll say it again…

    If the Yankees are desiring to move JA Happ to clear some payroll, he and Clint Frazier can come on to Atlanta. Happ would be a very nice 5th starter and potential mid-season trade asset on this young team. With just 1 year guaranteed on his deal, he fits perfectly in our timeline. And if he does pitch the requisite innings or make the requisite starts to trigger his extension, then it means he’s doing his job and we have nothing to complain about. He can either continue in Atlanta or be moved to a pitching starved team. You can never have too many starting pitchers. Never.

    What would the cost be from the Braves? Well, who knows what the Yanks would actually ask for, but something like Shane Greene and prospect Greyson Jenista would be a “value” equivalent. Actually, it would be weighted a little heavy toward the Yanks. Jenista is a mid-level OF prospect that is pretty much blocked behind Acuña, Pache, Waters, and any young OF acquisition such as Frazier. Jenista is a good example of “prospect capital”.

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  241. 404 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 8:30 am

    Imagine this OF compliment left to right…

    2020: Frazier, Inciarte, Acuña
    2021, Frazier, Pache, Acuña
    2022: Waters, Pache, Acuña, with Frazier as DH

    Planning ahead.

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  242. 405 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 8:36 am

    This is what you call rambling from a guy who has refreshed his Twitter almost constantly for the last 4 days, and who has nothing else of substance to comment on. What am I going to do today when all the execs are traveling? The Braves are sitting at 38 on the 40-man roster, and will do little more than listen during the Rule 5 draft today, so that will be a snore-fest.

    I did hear AA comment yesterday that the team has essentially set up a mobile office in San Diego and would not necessarily be rushing out the door this morning since they could continue to do there what they do here. Maybe they will still be finalizing some things they’ve started. Or maybe I’m just being hopeful knowing the Winter Meetings are coming to a close and we haven’t received our big Christmas gift yet.

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  243. 409 Gil in Mechanicsville December 12, 2019 at 9:14 am

    I still believe the Braves will go hard in on Donaldson but having a plan B is never a bad idea. After all, the Braves are not the only club to be looking for a 3rd baseman. The Nats, Dodgers and Rangers are all looking too. Two opposing opinions on trading for Chris Bryant, one saying he is a good fit, another saying he isn’t. I am with the latter group.

    I think it is going to be fun to watch Camargo and Riley compete for playing time at third this spring. A lot has been said about Johan’s fall off last year but he came back gang busters after a short stint in Triple A. I still think Riley is the Braves 3rd baseman of the future. He has the one thing you cannot teach, power…. It is simply a matter of him recognizing breaking pitches early in the count. Perhaps adopting the same approach as Juan Soto would benefit him. After two strikes, Soto changes his stance and cuts down his swing.

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  244. 410 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 10:35 am

    Two opposing opinions on trading for Chris Bryant, one saying he is a good fit, another saying he isn’t.

    I do believe Kris Bryant would be a nice fit here, either at 3B or in LF. But I think the Cubs are asking the moon and the stars, and I’d prefer to keep my stars. (See what I did there?)

    I still believe the Braves will go hard in on Donaldson

    I do too, but I can’t see AA giving a 4th year guaranteed. And I’m not so sure I’d want to do that anyway. Maybe only knowing that the DH is coming to the NL in the 3rd year… but we don’t have that assurance. It’s almost a certainty JD will get that 4th year from someone, probably the Dodgers. It looks like TEX may be looking at other options now even though they are the one team that could absolutely use JD as a DH. Well, them and MIN, who are reportedly also in on the bidding. I think AA will try to get him on shorter years with higher AAV. Doubt JD will do that at age 34. Why would he when he doesn’t have to?

    I think it is going to be fun to watch Camargo and Riley compete for playing time at third this spring.

    Agree. I think we are better set up to fill our 3B needs from within if necessary, but only if we add a proven power source in the OF. And it would appear that may be the easiest route at the moment.

    I still think Riley is the Braves 3rd baseman of the future.

    I agree, and so does AA who said in a recent media scrum that he believes Riley will be a star in this league, the only question being when. And based on Riley’s last Sept. and Oct., it is apparent he still needs some fine tuning. Can you do that in an offseason without seeing live pitching? Doubtful. But in the words of the great Joaquin Andujar, “There is one word in America that says it all, and that one word is, ‘You never know.'”

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  245. 411 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 10:39 am

    So many puns could be made here. Must… resist…

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  246. 421 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 10:56 am

    Rosenthal is saying the Yankees have checked in on Brewers’ reliever Josh Hader, seeking to add a 3rd “elite” arm to the “dynamic” duo of Aroldis Chapman and Zach Britton.

    How about 2019 All-Star Shane Greene?

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    • 422 berigan2electricboogaloo December 12, 2019 at 11:17 am

      man V, why you want to rid us of Shane??? I think esp if there isn’t another DIFFERENCE MAKER starter coming here.. we need a really stout bullpen to survive (and if a pitcher or two go down…) .I really can’t get excited over another soft tossing leftie. Last year, a 4.91 ERA, 161 innings in 31 starts, in the DH league where you can leave a guy out there longer. He is like Julio, a 5 inning guy. Yay…
      Ok, take him to get Clint Frasier? sure…but…they were asking a ton for him, before…are they going to give him up for a reliever, a good one, but not a hard thrower? They might eat some money to get more for Happ…I don’t know…much rather have Newcomb on the hill…he has the potential to go 180 , 200 innings. Is Happ going to do that??/
      Now I did just think that AA could trade for Happ and Frasier, and trading Shane and say, Drew Waters , and then trade Happ to say the Twins, Brewers, etc? Just spitballin’

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  247. 423 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 11:00 am

    Even though the Braves are highly unlikely to take a player in today’s Rule 5 draft, they could lose one. Lefty prospect Thomas Burrows might appeal to a rebuilding team looking for cheap bullpen filler.

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  248. 424 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 11:03 am

    Merry Christmas in the Boras household.

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  249. 425 berigan2electricboogaloo December 12, 2019 at 11:23 am

    ok, V, Gil, Gordon, CL….no one has mentioned, another 3rd baseman that may be available…Nolan Arenado!!! what would you be willing to give up to get THE BEST 3rd baseman in baseball????

    https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/12/rockies-willing-to-listen-on-nolan-arenado.html

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    • 426 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 11:41 am

      It’s like this…

      Arenado is owed $234M over the next 7 years and would cost you every plum prospect you have in the pipeline to acquire. Might as well have given Anthony Rendon the $245M over 7 and keep the prospects. Braves aren’t / weren’t going to do either. Not to mention that Arenado has a full no-trade clause which causes 2 problems: 1) he could refuse to be traded here, and 2) the Braves don’t give such clauses and would be loathe to assume one especially in such an onerous deal.

      Aside from that, I like it. 😀

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    • 427 Gordon Lawrence December 12, 2019 at 11:51 am

      I do not see JD in ATLANTA in 2020.
      His was a one year make-good deal, and he did.
      Can’t see us buying high on a 34 year old, then regretting it three years from now.
      I think he’s gone.
      MADISON BUMGARNER makes more sense to me than the “Bringer” in 2020.
      I still think they intended to patch the 3B hole with Moose, and let the starting kids scrap it out for playing time.
      That’s why they tightened up the pen.
      When he flew the coop all bets were off, thus COLE HAMELS in desperation.
      BUMGARNER would make sense here, to strengthen the starting rotation, and get a one year bat for the outfield.
      PUIG, or someone other outfielder on a make-good contract might allow for enough bats to see how a RILEY/CAMARGO platoon would work.
      Back-up is a trade at the deadline if that’s not working.

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      • 428 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 12:13 pm

        PUIG

        Oh Lord please no. His productivity has been in a steady freefall since 2015. Classic example of “million dollar talent; 10 cent head”. And can you imagine the negative influence this dude would have on our young Latin stars? Oh my…

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        • 429 Gordon Lawrence December 13, 2019 at 10:41 am

          Fine then another one OZUNA anyone?
          His hangup is the length of a contract [reportedly 5 years] to his liking more than $$$$.
          That makes him very iffy for the BRAVES outfield of the future.

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  250. 430 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 12:07 pm

    I am trying to go about my thought processes in the most reasonable and thorough way. To that end, I realize that AA is trying to fill all his current needs without making bad investments and/or mortgaging the future.

    Naturally that’s his goal. But it’s not always feasible. Heck, I’d like a new truck, and I’d like to buy one without making the payments too large or going too long. But it’s not going to happen on a decent truck. Maybe on one with alot of miles and a few dents and dings.

    The reality is that he’s going to have to pay to get what he really wants, or not pay and settle for something less. He can’t win in either scenario. So if he has to “lose” in any area, it almost certainly will be in an overpay to fill the needs as he sees them.

    And if that doesn’t happen, we’ll know for certain that it’s because the suits at Liberty Media are truly concerned more with the ledger sheet than the standings. But I just don’t get that sense. Why else would they open up the coffers as much as they already have just to cut AA off before he finishes the job? And why would CEO Greg Maffei go public in his support of “spending more” if he wasn’t going to back it up?

    Neither of those scenarios make sense, so you have to feel pretty good that AA has the authority to make the deals he wants. I believe AA is still going to make a big deal, he’s just trying to find the one (or more) that makes the most sense in terms of both cost and fit.

    Will that be for 4 years of Josh Donaldson? Maybe it will. Clearly 4 years is an overpay for a 34-year-old position player. But all indications are that 4 years is going to be the mark. Some team is going to to give it, and if that team is the Nats or the Phils it only complicates the equation.

    Signing JD to a 4 year deal, while not optimal, still accomplishes a few goals. It brings back the cleanup hitter that you know for certain frees up Freddie to have an MVP type performance. It stabilizes the entire lineup by solidifying the middle of the order with RH power. It keeps your own pitchers from facing him in 19 games in your own division. It forces your competition to settle for a lesser option. And the dude still played a GG worthy defense with no particular signs of fading. He doesn’t necessarily block Austin Riley, who has shown that if he’s ready to perform at the plate that he can capably man LF. And his signing would only cost $$, which is replaceable. A trade for Kris Bryant or whomever will cost you prospects, some of which are not so easily replaced.

    Speaking of trades, I still think some of those prospects are here to be traded. They are “prospect capital” whether we like it or not. But just like cash you never want to overpay. And all signs say that Bryant will cost a heavy overpay. As for me, if I’m going to overpay I’d prefer to do that monetarily on JD… and then use the prospects more responsibly to obtain another pitcher.

    But all of that is just me. And I’m just a dude refreshing his twitter way too often and typing way too much blather.

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  251. 431 berigan2electricboogaloo December 12, 2019 at 12:24 pm

    V, good points on Nolan…I thought he had already signed a 7 year deal, but I think it was an extension, or new deal…whatever…I still think as great as Rendon is, Nolan, is a whole ‘nother level (and he hit 21 HR’s at Coors, 20 on the road last year) and .315 against lefties, .315 against righties.
    I do wonder, if Colorado wants to save that moola, wouldn’t they have to ask for less back? I mean, the Marlins had to basically give Stanton away to the Yankees…Nolan is of course better all around than Stanton, He’s the best 3rd baseman in baseball, and it quite intense!
    perhaps Riley and someone like Newcomb? Or, eat 10 mil a year, and get Bryce and????
    heh, fun to be GM sometimes…

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  252. 432 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 12:55 pm

    If I personally could flesh out the rest of our lineup in my own ideal world, I would make the following moves:

    First, I’d lock my cleanup hitter with Josh Donaldson and allow Riley the time to finish his development with no pressure at the AAA level. I know it’s probably going to cost me 4 years / $100M, but I’ve got to be willing to spend or get left behind by my competitors. My 40-man roster is almost full at 39.

    Next, I swing a deal with NYY for JA Happ and Clint Frazier. I’m overpaying a little by giving them Shane Greene, Adam Duvall and minor league pitcher Phil Pfeifer to make it happen. In the process, I gain 1 open spot on the 40-man roster, which now sits back at 38.

    Then I sign utilityman Brock Holt and have my 2020 version of Charlie Culberson, but with a better bat and fewer strikeouts. 40-man roster pushes back to 39.

    I fill it out by re-signing SS Adeiny Hechavarría to a 1 year deal and my bench is complete, as is my 40-man roster. (I know Hechy has some reported interest as a starter, but this is my ideal situation, so I get to bring him back to my bench.)

    My rotation: Soroka, Hamels, Fried, Folty, Happ

    My bullpen: Melancon, Smith (L), Martin, O’Day, Jackson, Newcomb (L), Jacob Webb, Bryse Wilson

    My lineup: Acuña, Albies, Freeman, Donaldson, Frazier, d’Arnaud, Swanson, Inciarte

    My bench: Flowers, Camargo, Markakis, Holt, Hechy

    At AAA, I still have Kyle Wright and Patrick Weigel as rotation depth, along with the still developing Ian Anderson. I’ve taken Wilson out of the starting picture by putting him in my bullpen where I think he’s ultimately going to shine anyway. I need a long reliever as well as the assurance that I have plenty of guys that can get 3 batters out regardless of which side of the plate they swing from, which is why I prefer to keep Newk out there too.

    Speaking of AAA, when Austin Riley is ready to come up and contribute on a consistent basis, I have a good problem. But we all know that no lineup is going to go 162 games without injury somewhere, so I retain flexibility to make productive roster moves when and where necessary.

    All that will never happen in the way I’ve laid it out, but in this less-than-qualified mind it works.

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  253. 433 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 12:59 pm

    Well… it’s a move. Not a player move, but a move.

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  254. 435 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 1:07 pm

    Round 1 of the Rule 5 draft is complete and Braves pitcher Thomas Burrows has survived. Only 9 teams took players in that initial round, with the Orioles picking there and also taking the first selection in Round 2.

    Stay tuned.

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  255. 436 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 1:13 pm

    Someone asked the question, would it be a disaster for AA if the Nats sign Donaldson and the Phils trade for Kris Bryant?

    My answer is this: The Phils are a .500 team trying to catch up to the Braves and the Nats. The champion Nats lost an All-Star 3B in Rendon and would only be keeping pace with themselves by replacing him with JD. The only disaster would be if the Braves cannot find an effective middle-of-the-order bat, which is not predicated on anything the Nats or Phils do or have done. The Braves simply need to take care of the Braves and not worry about reacting to anything other teams do.

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  256. 437 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 1:19 pm

    Not even sure why I posted this…

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  257. 438 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 2:11 pm

    Rule 5 draft complete. Thomas Burrows survives.

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  258. 439 berigan2electricboogaloo December 12, 2019 at 2:37 pm

    had one thought about JD and 4 years…by season 3 or 4, there might be a DH position in the NL….

    V, I posted this as a reply above, but it might have been missed (really don’t like the way that works, as folks will miss them, unless they scroll upwards…and sorry if the tone sounds harsh V! Not the way I meant it to sound, hard to sound in “print” in the way one would sound in person!

    ” V, why you want to rid us of Shane??? I think esp if there isn’t another DIFFERENCE MAKER starter coming here.. we need a really stout bullpen to survive (and if a pitcher or two go down…) .I really can’t get excited over another soft tossing leftie. Last year, a 4.91 ERA, 161 innings in 31 starts, in the DH league where you can leave a guy out there longer. He is like Julio, a 5 inning guy. Yay…
    Ok, take him to get Clint Frasier? sure…but…they were asking a ton for him, before…are they going to give him up for a reliever, a good one, but not a hard thrower? They might eat some money to get more for Happ…I don’t know…much rather have Newcomb on the hill…he has the potential to go 180 , 200 innings. Is Happ going to do that??/
    Now I did just think that AA could trade for Happ and Frasier, and trading Shane and say, Drew Waters , and then trade Happ to say the Twins, Brewers, etc? Just spitballin’ “

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    • 440 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 4:23 pm

      Ok, take him to get Clint Frasier? sure

      That’s the whole point of taking Happ. I don’t want him alone. I want Frazier. If it means taking on the Happ salary (Yanks shopping Happ for salary relief), then I’m good with it. Never wanted Happ alone.

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  259. 441 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 4:20 pm

    High upside, lower commitment.

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  260. 442 Vox O'Reasoñ December 12, 2019 at 4:27 pm

    Not news, just reinforcement of what we already know. Supply and demand determine the cost. He’s the last big fish on the market, so he’s gonna cost.

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    • 443 berigan2electricboogaloo December 12, 2019 at 6:34 pm

      the only news is the Rangers are cheap…were way away from Rendon, and now they have said they won’t pay JD what others are willing to pay…just funny as they said 3rd base was a top priority….

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  261. 444 Gil in Mechanicsville December 13, 2019 at 8:27 am

    Good morning Stuffians… Do we have a new third baseman yet??? No? Oh well, Still a ways to go to get Arenado…. 🙂 Likely would take the Braves entire top group of ten prospects plus Rendon money… Sounds exactly like the type of deal the Nits would go for.

    Now for reality. Alex will surprise us… I hope!!!

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  262. 445 Vox O'Reasoñ December 13, 2019 at 8:44 am

    Not much to report on this morning, unless you consider 2 very interesting names that are now circulating in trade circles…

    Trader Jerry Dipoto out in the Great Northwest is said to be taking calls on OF Mitch Haniger and 3B Kyle Seager. I find those 2 names to be intriguing.

    Seager is under contract for 2 more years with a team option for 2022 that becomes a player option is he’s traded. He is set to make salaries of $19.5M, $18.5M and $15M in those yeas respectively. He’s a guy that broke through in 2011, had about 6 All-Star caliber years, got broke off, and then got hurt and struggled through a couple of years. Last year’s slash was not pretty, but he’s a guy that’s capable of 30+ HR’s and plays a strong defensive 3B. Certainly the M’s would kick in some cash to help offset the salary for the right trade package.

    And if you could expand it to include Haniger, he’s a guy that AA (and many others too) tried to get last season only to be rebuffed. He was an All-Star in 2018 and finished 11th in MVP voting. He got hurt last season and struggled somewhat in just 63 games, but is also a guy that has 20+ HR power and plays a good defensive OF. He is an arb guy that is under team control until 2023.

    Individually, neither fills the void left by JD. But together it could be interesting. And we all know that Dipoto likes to swing deals in big bunches.

    I think Seager is at least a little interesting on his own, but not choice #1. At worst, he represents another name on the 3B market that might at least ease the tension a bit.

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  263. 446 Vox O'Reasoñ December 13, 2019 at 9:06 am

    I just participated in a pol at MLBTR that asks regarding Josh Donaldson, team, length and value of his next deal. So far, the prevailing poll numbers suggest he returns to the Braves on a 3 year deal between $80M-$90M.

    I really thought the people who hang out there and participate in polls paid more attention.

    First, I do not see ATL as the front-runner. In the race? Yes. But certainly not ours to lose.

    Second, numerous writers have reported that multiple teams are willing to go 4 years. Why would he settle for 3 when he can get 4?

    And last, did any of those pollsters pay attention to the deals recently signed… especially Rendon’s? The marker for RH power, and for 3B, is robust. The former MVP will almost certainly land a 4 year deal north of $90M, and very plausibly at or above $100M. I’m guessing 4 yrs / $100M. To the Braves? Maybe. But not certainly.

    Let’s look at the market…

    The Dodgers seem the most likely to me, except that 3B is not a pressing need, and they are also trying to bring in another top starting pitcher. If they are prioritizing pitching, it may leave the door open for another team to take JD first. I see them at 60/40.

    The Rangers say they are out. Posturing? Maybe. I’ll call them still 50/50.

    I know nothing about the Twins, but they appear to be aggressive in the market. I’ll also give them 50/50.

    I think the Phils are out after inking Did Gregorious.

    The Nats still scare me, but I think they might be more interested in trying to pry Kris Bryant away from the Cubs. That enough of a distraction for me to give them a 60/40.

    The Braves? To me, 50/50 at best. I just don’t think AA will go the 4 years necessary, but he might surprise me. Or… he might get creative and offer 3 years at a higher AAV and a decent buyout figure on a 4th year team option. That’s the only way I see JD taking a 3 year deal.

    Speaking of creative, I wonder..? I wonder if JD would be open to a Boras-like deal that gives him an opt-out after the 2nd year? 3 years at a high AAV, team option on the 4th, player opt-out after 2.

    Just trying to think outside the box…

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    • 447 Gordon Lawrence December 13, 2019 at 11:41 am

      My suggestion yesterday 3 for 30m with a club fourth option and a 10m buyout.
      Only way I see the “Bringer” in ATLANTA in 2020.
      AA won’t go a guaranteed four, I feel pretty sure of it.
      Of course, I’m not making the deal.
      One alternative is power in the line-up from an outfield position.
      MOOKIE BETTS would be nice.
      Too much money and too many prospects to be plausible for only one year of control, however.
      MARCELL OZUNA at 29 would be a nice two-year deal in the making.
      However, I suspect he wants a retirement check also.
      Something along the lines of a five-year deal which he won’t get from anyone unless the $$$$ are significantly less than he expects.
      YASAIL PUIG would probably take a one-year prove-it deal from just about anyone.
      Beggers can’t be choosers.
      In the pitching department HUAN JIN-RYU is still in play, and might be a solid get in tandem with HAMELS.
      A three year contract for a 32 year-old, at 19m-20m per for three might not be unreasonable.
      That’s someone I could see in the # 2 slot in the starting rotation with potential ability to take the #1 in the event of a SOROKA injury..
      Some of you see HAMELS in a mainstay role in the rotation in 2020.
      I don’t think he’s that strong anymore.
      I think him more of a # 4 at this point in his career.
      BETTS aside, any of these possibilities can all be accomplished in FA without any trade of our prospects.
      I do think however like ALLARD last season, a couple pieces should be moved in 2020 to account for adjustments which AA proved last season to be quite adroit at making.

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  264. 449 Vox O'Reasoñ December 13, 2019 at 10:49 am

    Bob Nightengale, USA TODAY: [The Dodgers] want Cleveland Indians shortstop Francisco Lindor, and they want him badly. They are expected to submit a powerful package of prospects to Cleveland, including Dustin May and Gavin Lux for Lindor.

    Holy schnikey. Perhaps this is why they haven’t turned up the heat on Josh Donaldson. If they take their money out of the picture, it might make JD’s market a little easier for the remaining teams.

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  265. 450 Vox O'Reasoñ December 13, 2019 at 10:52 am

    I still believe AA will add 4 players: a power bat, a pitcher, a backup SS, another utilityman

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    • 451 Vox O'Reasoñ December 13, 2019 at 10:55 am

      … and maybe only the power bat before the calendar turns. Some of the others may come late in the offseason as other teams cast off members while making their own roster tweaks. Remember, last year we added Josh Tomlin and Matt Joyce in Spring.

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  266. 452 Gordon Lawrence December 13, 2019 at 11:03 am

    Saw that lefty THOMAS BURROWS survived the first round of Rule 5 as a BRAVE.
    A lefty in Rule 5 is usually golden, yet he wasn’t picked up.
    BURROWS failure in 2019 at GWINNETT is a mystery to me.
    I was certain in 2018 that he would establish himself as a solid lefty in the ATLANTA ‘pen by the end of 2019, and that along with CORBIN CLOUSE would form a great lefty-righty duo of young arms for the future.
    However, both swooned in 2019 while another fav, JACOB WEBB has accomplished what those two didn’t.
    Really, BURROWS had a rocky 2019 in GWINNETT. and was remanded to AA where he regained his equilibrium somewhat.
    Haven’t heard that injury is involved in TB’s case.
    I continue to think his abilities lie above the AA level.
    Maybe his malaise is in his head.

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  267. 454 Vox O'Reasoñ December 13, 2019 at 12:57 pm

    I have been listening this morning to a very interesting and quite detailed debate on the radio regarding the worthiness of going 4 years to return Josh Donaldson to the Braves. I truly wish I had a transcript of the points being made back and forth. In the end, the guy arguing for the 4th year convinced the other guy that it was worth the risk.

    He convinced me too.

    In summary, Donaldson brought more to this lineup and to the team and clubhouse than just 36 HR’s and protection for Freddie Freeman. He brought an attitude and demonstrative leadership that told other teams that the Braves were not to be messed with. It rubbed off on the other players and the Braves were able to fight through alot of adversity because of it. How many games did the Braves fight back to win late last season? How many times did the subs capably carry the water when the starter was hurt? Much of that fight was a result of the JD effect. I think that it’s a real thing, and I think the Braves cannot afford to let it get away, and especially not to the Nats. The veteran leaders that remain – Freddie, Nick, Flow – are all great, but none have the swagger and visible presence that JD has.

    We need him back. I’m convinced.

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    • 455 Vox O'Reasoñ December 13, 2019 at 1:00 pm

      Of course, I’m also convinced the NL will adopt the DH as part of the next CBA for 2022, so those last 2 years don’t bother me as much anyway.

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  268. 456 Vox O'Reasoñ December 13, 2019 at 2:55 pm

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  269. 457 Vox O'Reasoñ December 13, 2019 at 6:13 pm

    Thought this might happen.

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  270. 458 Vox O'Reasoñ December 13, 2019 at 6:13 pm

    Thought this might happen.

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  271. 460 Vox O'Reasoñ December 13, 2019 at 6:15 pm

    Gotta love this guy…

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  272. 463 berigan2electricboogaloo December 14, 2019 at 1:56 am

    well…since there isn’t really any “real” baseball news today….I watched The Cobra in Twilight, a 90 minute documentary on Dave Parker on the MLB channel. well worth watching if/when they re-run it….
    He’s another Dale Murphy, Ted Simmons, Dwight Evans, Steve Garvey(hated his faux squeaky clean persona, but man, a MONEY player) that for some reason is all but forgotten today, even guys that played in major markets. ….sadly, he’s been battling Parkinsons for 6 years now, and has really been slowed down.
    But, before Murphy came into his own, he was basically the best player in baseball, at leas the NL. And when it looked like knee troubles and age had ruined his career, he got back on track in Cincy, and put up quite a few more good years at the plate. When you remember how great a RF’er he was in the earlier part of his career, he too should be in the HOF.
    Yeah, he was not perfect, but as he got older/wiser it’s interesting to hear how he was a father figure to Barry Larkin, Eric Davis and Gary Sheffield. In fact, Barry said that Parker and Davis had a conversation around the batting cage one night after a game, and Parker said if Barry didn’t put more effort forth with his glove, and at the plate, there was going to be real trouble…cudos to Larkin to admit he was basically on cruise control and needed that speech.
    It’s really shocking to see how OLD the whole 1979 Pirate team looks now! old faces like they are 80 something, which they are not. I mean, several of the guys need canes, and walkers/wheelchairs. Just sad to see elite athletes looking like this, esp baseball, not football players.

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  273. 464 berigan2electricboogaloo December 14, 2019 at 2:18 am

    hey, it’s been days since I wrote about Ted Simmons, need to rectify that issue! :p
    ok, please bare with me one more time…I really kick myself that I didn’t create a wordpress blog for Simmons , extolling his virtues (I even had a “great” name for it, Ted Simmons is a Hall of Famer, Dammit! 🙄 oh well, it all worked out in the end…
    watching that Dave Parker docu got me wondering what had been written about Simmons since I heard about him going into the hall (even with this honor, most headlines were, Marvin Miller, Ted Simmons, voted into the HOF) most were quite dry.
    Found this very nice article written by Rick Hummel, someone that should know a thing or two about Simmons, as he has written about the Cards since the early 70s …I really should him more often, it’s comforting in this world of constant change, that a few things, like like Rick Hummel still writing about baseball for the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, and Mike Shannon still doing home games for the Cards, are just like they were when I was a kid.

    even if you don’t watch to read the article, check out some of the great photos they have after the article, of Simmons year by year, and one of Simmons sitting next to Bruce Sutter at the Funeral of Cardinal great Red Schoendienst, looking like a 90 year old crazy mountain man 😉
    https://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/cardinal-beat/after-years-cardinals-catcher-simmons-makes-the-leap-to-hall/article_0ebd8def-9d0b-515f-a2c9-e32bee0b0f5e.html#13

    hey look, some stats of his I missed before! 😛

    From 1971-80 with the Cardinals, Simmons averaged .301 with a .367 on-base percentage. He finished in the top 10 a combined 15 times in either batting average, on-base percentage and slugging percentage, compared to Hall of Fame catchers Carlton Fisk (nine times), Johnny Bench (six) and Gary Carter (four).

    From 1972-78, a span of seven seasons, Simmons played 150 or more games, almost of them as a catcher. For his career he drew 855 walks and struck out only 694 times, never more than 57 in a season.

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  274. 466 Gil in Mechanicsville December 14, 2019 at 11:08 am

    Great opine Ber, you will be forever tied to Ted Simmons in my mind as I have heard you campaign for his inclusion into the BBHOH ever since I have know you via the internet.

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  275. 467 Gil in Mechanicsville December 15, 2019 at 8:23 pm

    Okay folks, Madbum is off the board going to Arizona for 5 years. not sure of the amount. Kluber going to Texas in a trade.

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  276. 469 Vox O'Reasoñ December 15, 2019 at 10:37 pm

    Gotta think the Braves weren’t confident in Kluber’s health not to have offered the Tribe a better return than they received from TEX.

    And MadBum got way too many years on that deal from ARI. But it might just make Robbie Ray available now.

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  277. 470 berigan2electricboogaloo December 16, 2019 at 9:44 am

    man, had NO idea all these trades/signings happened yesterday! clearly, a lot of folks fear MadBum’s arm longterm….Indians must have feared what the 2020 Kluber was going to provide…cuz if he proved himself healthy, the skies the limit to what they could have gotten for him, or…hold onto him if they were in 1st place…

    ok, check this out…
    Pitcher A
    2019, 12-8, 4.34 ERA 174 innings, 81 walks 235 strikeouts.

    Pitcher B
    2018 12-9 3.91 ERA 164 innings 81 walks 160 strikeouts.

    Pitcher A is 28 year old Robby Ray (rhythms!) Pitcher B is still 26 year old, Sean Newcomb . granted, AZ has pretty thin air, but actually his ERA was 4.11 at home, 4.50 on the road. 4.91 ERA after the all star break…man…and I was wondering why AZ was wanting to trade away the hard throwing lefty
    I am all for giving Newcomb another chance in the rotation…

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  278. 471 berigan2electricboogaloo December 16, 2019 at 9:45 am

    rhymes I meant…geez

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  279. 472 Vox O'Reasoñ December 16, 2019 at 10:34 am

    In case you missed it over the weekend, and according to a couple of beat writers, the details around the non-tendering and re-signing of Charlie Culberson went something like this:

    The Braves were looking at appx. $1.8M in arb for Charlie for 2019, who despite coming through in seemingly every possible clutch moment, still put up some pretty underwhelming numbers for 2019… especially in the 2nd half. But suffice to say the indicting stat is his sub-.300 OBP (.294, .230 in the 2nd half). He also had a pretty staggering 30% K rate (44 K’s in 144 plate appearances).

    Anyway, the Braves approached Charlie and let him know they planned to non-tender him, but wanted to sign him back on a minor league deal with an invite to Spring Training and a genuine opportunity to make the team, but were willing to let him shop himself around for a major league deal first. Reportedly he did get 2-3 ML offers, but chose to return to the Braves anyway.

    The terms of his deal are for 1 year at $1M, but the deal will allow Charlie to reach the previously projected $1.8M should he make the team and reach certain incentives. Charlie still has the same opportunities as before, and the Braves gained a little bit of 40-man roster flexibility.

    I have to say, I think that’s more than fair from the organization that obviously values Charlie, but still must balance responsibility in constructing its roster.

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  280. 473 Vox O'Reasoñ December 16, 2019 at 1:08 pm

    Let’s just sign Josh and trade for Clint Frazier already. What’s holding this up? We need to get these deals done so we can round out the roster with Adeiny Hechavarria.

    Come on AA. Get off your keister and get these things done.

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    • 474 Vox O'Reasoñ December 16, 2019 at 1:21 pm

      Would you trade Touki for Frazier straight up? I would. I think it’s a good equity trade of a promising 23-year-old pitcher that hasn’t reached his potential in limited opportunities for a promising 25-year-old OF that hasn’t reached his potential in limited opportunities. And it satisfies a need on both sides of the equation.

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  281. 476 Vox O'Reasoñ December 16, 2019 at 1:17 pm

    My roster of the day…

    Rotation: Soroka, Hamels, Fried, Folty, Newk/Wright

    Bullpen: Melancon, Smith (L), Greene, Martin, O’Day, Jackson, Dayton/Newk (L), Wilson

    Lineup: Acuña, Albies, Freeman, Donaldson, Frazier, d’Arnaud, Swanson, Inciarte

    Bench: Flowers, Camargo, Markakis, Hechy, Charlie/Duvall

    If Wright wins the 5th starter job, Newk takes Dayton’s bullpen spot. The last bench spot is a competition between Charlie and Duvall.

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  282. 477 berigan2electricboogaloo December 16, 2019 at 3:36 pm

    V I’d do that trade in a second. Think Yankees were asking for moon before. Almost seem to want him to rot at AAA in case they need him

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    • 478 Gil in Mechanicsville December 16, 2019 at 8:40 pm

      Ber, and that surprizes you how? 🙂

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    • 479 Vox O'Reasoñ December 17, 2019 at 8:04 am

      Yes… almost like we have been with Touki. But now? That’s why I think it’s a good match. Both are still young men with great potential unrealized. And both are stuck in crowds from through they can’t seem to emerge. Perfect “change of scenery” candidates who just need a chance to break out.

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  283. 480 Gil in Mechanicsville December 16, 2019 at 9:07 pm

    So, Nits offering the Rainman 4 years $90MM . I don’t see why the Braves can’t match that. If he gets hurt, there is insurance, Can DH in two years when the NL adopts the designated hitter, Will not cost the full 90MM if he is traded prior to the four years. Just saying… After all, didn’t we speculate he was going to the Rangers for 4 years at 100MM ?

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  284. 481 Vox O'Reasoñ December 16, 2019 at 9:25 pm

    Braves should get opportunity to match. I’m betting they will not let him go to the Nats. At least I hope not.

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  285. 482 Vox O'Reasoñ December 17, 2019 at 8:34 am

    Boom.

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  286. 484 Vox O'Reasoñ December 17, 2019 at 8:42 am

    Something else to consider…

    If we can keep JD from the Nats, they’ll almost certainly turn to the Cubs for Kris Bryant. And reportedly the Cubs #1 target from them is Victor Robles. This is an opportunity for AA to control the process. Otherwise, he’ll have to react at the mercy of the remaining targets, all of whom are inferior.

    JD is literally the last big fish in the pond.

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    • 485 berigan2electricboogaloo December 17, 2019 at 10:23 am

      V, agreed. I would hate to have to see J.D. 18,19 times a year, cuz you know he’d play with even more of a chip on his shoulder against the braves….and it would hurt the braves to not have him. Silly to worry about 1 more year, you know? I mean we saw what happened last year, you might find a bat in June/July, but you are going to have to do something weird to protect FF (Swanson? Ozzie?….Acuna???)

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  287. 487 Vox O'Reasoñ December 17, 2019 at 11:24 am

    Rosey doesn’t mention Braves, which may be the best news for Braves fans. AA works in stealth mode.

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  288. 489 berigan2electricboogaloo December 17, 2019 at 11:58 am

    Was reading a long column by Ken R on a certain online sports site….Schwarber, a below-average defender in left, has always seemed more of a fit for the American League. However, that doesn’t necessarily make him a fit for the Yankees.

    Giancarlo Stanton looms as the Yankees’ DH for oh, only the next eight seasons. Schwarber could play left, which currently projects to be a job-share between Tauchman and Clint Frazier until Aaron Hicks returns from Tommy John surgery, probably at mid-season. But left field at Yankee Stadium is one of the largest in the sport.

    First base? Schwarber has yet to play an inning at that position professionally. The Yankees aren’t exactly set at first with their potential Luke Voit-Mike Ford platoon. But would they want to meet the Cubs’ price for Schwarber when he would be a potential liability in left and an outright gamble at first?

    That’s right, the Cubs are not going to sell low on a player who hit 38 home runs last season, a player who ranked eighth in the National League with a .997 OPS after the All-Star break.

    Schwarber, though, is projected to earn $8 million in arbitration. Trading him would create the positional opening and perhaps the financial flexibility necessary for the Cubs to re-sign free-agent outfielder Nicholas Castellanos, who at 27 is only one year older than Schwarber.

    Ok, why bring this up? well….38 HR’s and reading the comments below, there were folks arguing about Schwarber’s defense. some of the goofy numbers show he has improved over the past 2 seasons. Some were saying he was still terrible, but quite a few who actually see him play on a regular basis said he has improved greatly since the 2015 playoffs….and that he has quite an arm. Guessing to get him, it would take fewer prospects than Bryant . and Bryant, who would seem to be a long term answer at 3rd, is a Borass client. so, 2 years and gone.

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  289. 490 Vox O'Reasoñ December 17, 2019 at 1:12 pm

    $90 over 4? Gotta match that. It’s virtually the same AAV he got last season. For $23.3M, who else can you get?

    Bryant? $18M for this season and maybe next, but you don’t know. And the Cubs reportedly want Fried, Inciarte, Riley plus a pitching prospect. You may gain a 3B, but you lose a CF and an integral part of the rotation. SO you plug one hole by creating 2 more. No thanks.

    Kyle Seager from SEA? A definite step down in talent, and the $19M he’s owed this season is barely a step down from JD”s $23.3M. Even if JD slips in the next couple of years, he’s still a better player than Seager.

    If you could pull off the impossible and trade for Arenado, he’s at $32M for 2 more years before his opt-out kicks in… then you’ve given up all your top prospects and are left holding the bag while paying Rendon type AAV’s. Should have just signed Rendon.

    Nope…

    JD is the most logical way to plug the hole left behind by JD. Gotta get it done.

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  290. 492 Vox O'Reasoñ December 17, 2019 at 1:19 pm

    We must also all temper our stress over the Donaldson “bidding war”. After all, he’s the last big FA remaining, and all the national writers need something write about to draw eyes to their respective web sites. Much of the chatter and supposed “heating up” is simply manufactured headlines.

    What? A news reporter would exaggerate or fabricate a story? Shocker… 🙄

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    • 493 berigan2electricboogaloo December 17, 2019 at 4:21 pm

      true, but I am sure the Nats would LOVE to hurt the braves too, and have a better chance to win the NL East….
      they still could try to drive up his costs for the braves, and then run with their uber prospect that ain’t gonna play SS in the majors….

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      • 494 Vox O'Reasoñ December 18, 2019 at 8:37 am

        Not sure how possible it is for one team to drive the price up for another team as their primary goal. Maybe inadvertently in their pursuit, but not on purpose. For instance, MadBum has said in post-contract interviews that he received offers for 5-years and $100M from a couple of other teams, but that ARI was his first choice, thus he took their 5 yr / $85M offer. I think JDon might fall into that same category. If he wants to play here as is reported, and AA makes him an offer that’s satisfactory, I don’t believe he’d still hold the organization up for the last cent. I could be wrong, but I don’t believe he’d do that.

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  291. 495 Gil in Mechanicsville December 18, 2019 at 9:23 am

    Let’s hope not Vee. Still, I have not yet perfected my mind reading skills so I have had little success in predicting the landing spots for free agents. I do know however that Scott Boras is loath to leave even a nickle on the table. I can remember there being several instances where he bad mouthed players for taking less money to play where they wanted.

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  292. 497 Gordon Lawrence December 18, 2019 at 10:34 am

    Once Moose went off the board, I knew AA’s free agency options narrowed significantly., and cost would escalate while trade alternatives would require expending max talent on our part for iffy production on another team’s part.
    Not an enviable position for our GM to be in.
    AA wants FA to hold the team together until the troops in the pipeline mature.
    Right now the instant answer at 3B is the “Bringer.”
    Otherwise, it short-term answers in the OF possibly creating a longer offensive line-up.
    I’m really leery that JD is not going to be at least as good in 2020 and he was in 2019.
    The longer his contract, I feel the less likelihood “great” is the end product.
    RENDON was never a realistic consideration.
    Right now I’m sure DONALDSON’s agent is bouncing between the gNats and the good guys, ferrying offers and proposals between the two while negotiating like crazy for his client.
    Meanwhile AA has to balance JOSH’s cost and length of contract with the current talent on hand while we sit at our keyboards pounding out words of exasperation, and anxiety, waiting for the answer at 3B.

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  293. 498 Vox O'Reasoñ December 18, 2019 at 4:23 pm

    Jason Catania, Thomas Harrigan and Andrew Simon of MLB.com have posted 6 “not-so-crazy” trade proposals for All-World SS Francisco Lindor. #6 caught my attention:

    Oops… never mind. Once I spotted the name “Ozzie Albies”, I quit reading.

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    • 499 berigan2electricboogaloo December 19, 2019 at 1:34 am

      I had to check that article out after you mentioned it….(well several hours later, actually 😉 ) they mentioned tossing in Brad Hand too….wow, what a bullpen we would have! But yeah, no…
      Lindor’s numbers last year? .284 BA, .335 OBP, and 32 HR’s . Ozzies? .295 BA, .352 OBP, 24 HR’s. I HATE WAR (War, what is it good for? 😛 ) but Ozzie has a 4.8 WAR, Lindor, 4.7. Lindor has more power, at least right now, 3 straight years of 30 + homers, but Ozzie is still only 22!!!! And cheap and all that too, but man, 22 til January! crazy, isn’t it? Perhaps my idea of him providing protection to FF is “not-so-crazy” 😉

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      • 500 Vox O'Reasoñ December 19, 2019 at 8:11 am

        That was truly one of the stupidest trade proposals I have seen. I can certainly understand desiring to upgrade Francisco Lindor over Dansby Swanson (no disrespect to Dansby, but Lindor is special). But how stupid do you have to be to trade Ozzie – numbers and WAR that Ber aptly reported – in the deal? Those guy’s literally proposed swapping near equal value with a team friendly deal for 7 years plus top prospects for 2 years at more money all while shifting Dansby into a position he hasn’t played.

        That’s worse that some of the head-shaking trade proposals you see on fantasy baseball sites, and these guys received a check and a national byline for it.

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      • 501 Vox O'Reasoñ December 19, 2019 at 8:13 am

        Perhaps my idea of him providing protection to FF is “not-so-crazy”

        Given the current roster as it stands, Ozzie is one of the best cleanup options we have.

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  294. 502 Vox O'Reasoñ December 19, 2019 at 8:27 am

    In contrast to the ineptitude of the writers of the above referenced MLB.com piece, I just read a very well researched and very well written article by Alan Carpenter at Tomahawk Take (one of my favorite writers, especially over the national talking head personalities) analyzing the proposed Duvall/Markakis platoon for LF. Or should I say the Markakis/Duvall platoon.

    Excerpt:

    In the entire National League in 2019, just twenty-four left-handed pitchers were used primarily as starters. The Atlanta Braves had 2 of these (Max Fried and Dallas Keuchel) and they’ve already signed one of the rest – Cole Hamels – to take Keuchel’s place.

    5 others hail from the NL Central, leaving the bulk out west… though Alex Wood, Rich Hill, and Hyun-Jin Ryu – in additional NL East refugee Keuchel – are among the southpaws yet to find a home for 2020.

    By contrast, there were 76 primary right-handed starters in the league last year… but in the NL East, the difference is particularly stark:

    METS ROTATION: deGrom, Syndergaardm Stroman, Porcello, Wacha. All right-handed. Stephen Matz is a lefty if used as a starter.
    PHILLIES ROTATION: Nola, Arrieta, Wheeler, Efflin, Velasquez. All right-handed.
    NATIONALS ROTATION: Scherzer, Strasburg, Corbin, Sanchez, Ross. Corbin the only lefty… including backup options Voth and Fedde.
    MARLINS ROTATION: Lopez, Alcantara, Smith, Yamamoto, Dugger (currently). Only Caleb Smith is a southpaw.
    So for roughly 46% of the 2020 schedule (75 games), the Braves will face teams that have 2 left-handed starters and 18 right-handers.

    Over the rest… roughly 3 of 4 games will feature a right-handed starter.

    That means a lot of Nick Markakis as this lineup is currently constructed. The raw math suggests something around 29-30 games over the course of the season in which Duvall might start if the Braves strictly observe the left/right protocol.

    That is simply unacceptable.

    Perhaps AA should be more focused on obtaining the needed cleanup hitter in the form of an OF instead of 3B and roll with Camargo and/or Riley at 3B. I think I’d prefer to roll the dice with those guys over 130 games of Nick Markakis in the lineup.

    How about AA puts together a trade package for O’s OF Trey Mancini (.291/.364/.535, 35 HR, 3.3 WAR) and sends Nick back to BAL where he’s still well loved?

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  295. 503 Vox O'Reasoñ December 19, 2019 at 8:53 am

    According to my new favorite toy, Baseball Trade Values, a trade for Trey Mancini could happen if we were to give up Touki Toussaint, Adam Duvall, AJ Minter. and minor league OF prospect Greyson Jenista.

    Likely? Of course not. But that does give us an idea of what type of framework it might take to obtain Mancini should he be made available. Truth is, for the O’s to part with Mancini, it would take an overpay… perhaps Bryse Wilson instead of Touki. I think you’d have to really get their attention for them to trade their affordable young star. But he’s exactly the type of asset they should trade now to net multiple young contributors. Touki, Duvall, and Minter could all help them immediately. Jenista is a solid OF/DH prospect that could well be blocked in ATL.

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  296. 504 Vox O'Reasoñ December 19, 2019 at 9:03 am

    I did see a random trade proposal that sent Bryse Wilson and Patrick Weigel to the Cubs for Kyle Schwarber (.250/.339/.531, 38 HR, 2.3 WAR).

    That’s at least interesting… and plausible. The Cubs seem to be desiring to trade someone off their roster to give them a little salary relief and to bring in a couple of prospects. Schwarbs fits that bill almost as well as the much rumored Kris Bryant, and maybe better since he’s for certain controllable for 2 more years. He has a 2020 arb projection of $8M. He’s also a guy that I wouldn’t mind locking up for longer in light of the apparent impending arrival of the DH in the NL.

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    • 505 Vox O'Reasoñ December 19, 2019 at 9:14 am

      And yes… I do remember that Ber brought up Scharber a couple of days ago. I like it. It makes sense for this team. His LH bat helps to balance a RH lineup. His timeline is also about perfect, especially if you could actually extend him past 2021 to be a newly minted DH.

      Imagine:
      2020 OF: Scharbs / Ender / Ronald
      2021 OF: Scharbs / Pache / Ronald
      2022 OF: Waters/ Pache / Ronald / DH Scharbs

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    • 506 Vox O'Reasoñ December 19, 2019 at 9:24 am

      Let’s just look at what the lineup would look like with Schwarbs in it:

      Ronald Acuña, Jr., RF (R)
      Ozzie Albies, 2B (S)
      Freddie Freeman, 1B (L)
      Kyle Schwarber, LF (L)
      Dansby Swanson, SS (R)
      Camargo and/or Riley, 3B (S/R)
      Travis d’Arnaud, C (R)
      Ender Inciarte, CF (L)

      I think you can substitute Joc Pederson there as well. Or Mitch Haniger. Or Trey Mancini. Both Haniger and Mancini are RH batters, which is OK for this year. But when Riley takes over full time, you add another RH. When Pache arrives, you add another RH. Down the road, the top catching prospect Shea Langeliers… yep, RH. Only Drew Waters will give you AB’s from the left side among the prospects, and he’s a SH. Adding a LH such as Schwarber might even be a better long term option than… Josh Donaldson.

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  297. 507 berigan2electricboogaloo December 19, 2019 at 1:12 pm

    I feel sorry for Nick M. Did y’all realize that until last year’s broken wrist, the previous 4 seasons he had no fewer than 38 doubles? (25 last year, would have had more than 30 for sure without the injury) his weakness? we all know that, no power, even in the year of the steroid ball. but still, .285 /356 is better than a lot of players, just…no power…that’s why I wish the dumb commish had put the DH in this year. how much better would the team be with Nick M batting 5th, 6th, and a Schwarber, Mancini(I have heard Baltimore wants to build up around him, but he is only 1 guy, and if they can get 2,3 players in return….) fill in the blank, offensive force in left?.

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    • 508 Vox O'Reasoñ December 19, 2019 at 4:18 pm

      I feel sorry for Nick M.

      I still like Nick, and I believe he could go out in 2020 and give us .285 /.356… but cannot CANNOT be relied upon in the middle of the order where this team is currently suffering a severe power shortage. If we could stash Nick in the 8 or 9 hole, then fine. But we don’t have that luxury with Ender and with no DH. He fits this team best as a late inning PH when we have guys on base and need a clutch knock.

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  298. 509 Vox O'Reasoñ December 19, 2019 at 4:25 pm

    Good for Julio. That’s a good spot for him. He doesn’t have to be “the” guy, just “a” guy. I wish him well, except for on July 3, 4, and 5 when the Braves face the Halos at home in inter-league play.

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  299. 510 Vox O'Reasoñ December 19, 2019 at 4:47 pm

    Excerpt from MLBTR chat earlier today:

    Josh Donaldson
    What am I waiting for in choosing the Nats or the Braves??
    Steve Adams
    A team to actually offer a fourth year.

    Kevin
    Where do you see Donaldson signing? And how do the teams that miss out on him respond? (ATL/WAS)
    Steve Adams
    I think he’ll sign with the Nationals once they make a sound 4-year offer. The Braves just haven’t shown a willingness to spend at that level in free agency under Alex Anthopoulos (or really, in general). The Rangers are already reported to be out. The Twins are similar to the Brewers in their aggressive preference for short-term deals — which is silly right now, to be clear, because this is the time when the flexibility those deals maintain should be leveraged.

    First, the Braves won’t spend in Free Agency under AA? Has he even been paying attention this offseason?

    Second, these are the only 2 questions regarding the Braves in the entire chat. They are somewhat random questions although they are chosen by the moderator, in this case Steve Adams.

    Third, the responses are simply the opinion of the moderator. Adams admittedly does not like the Braves and rarely shows any positive expectations on their behalf. I read most of these chats, and you can usually count on 1 finger the times the Braves are mentioned when Adams moderates, and I think that’s only because Tim Dierkes wants these guys to answer at least 1 question for each team. That said, I typically respect Adams’ work. Why he doesn’t like the Braves is still a mystery to me. He continually laments the Braves being mentioned prominently, and especially with any high expectations. I think he did praise their signing of WIll Smith and Chris Martin, although I believe he did it with a bit of bewilderment.

    I still think the Braves have an advantage over the Nats. I still also think I’d just about rather trade for a power hitting OF. Well, at least today I do. I will surely change my mind when JD re-signs here. 😀

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  300. 511 Vox O'Reasoñ December 19, 2019 at 8:17 pm

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  301. 512 Vox O'Reasoñ December 20, 2019 at 8:43 am

    Now that I have slept on it overnight, I have a more focused opinion on the team and its remaining needs with respect to Josh Donaldson, Kris Bryant, Kyle Schwarber, Joc Pederson, etc.

    I still believe in the mantra that you draft pitching, sign pitching, and trade for bats. Why is that? Well, it’s simple. Pitching is much more predictable and projectable. Now obviously no player, be it draftee or signee, is foolproof. But if a pitcher has “the stuff” and can get the ball over the plate, he’s got the tools to shape and mold into something of use. Hitting is such a mystery even to ML’ers. Heck, even HOF’ers only succeed 3 out of 10 times. And sometimes those who do it well suddenly can’t do it at all. It can get quite uggla, but I digress. The point is, pitching is a more stable commodity. And thus, the philosophy is to draft / sign pitching because it’s simply a more reliable investment. Then you have the ability to liquidate some of those investments and trade for the established hitting you need. Every team needs pitching. Always.

    So how does this apply to the Braves current power shortage?

    The Braves have traditionally been very good about drafting pitching. To that end, they have their own usable pipeline, including a few assets that can be used to obtain the elusive power hitter. But spending that type of currency is sometimes more difficult than spending the cash, even when you are on a self-imposed budget. For instance, is there anyone that wants to trade Ian Anderson? Kyle Wright? Kyle Muller? The reality is that we are more “rich” in the prospect stream than in the cash stream. And that form of currency has a name and a track record and we’ve been following some for a few years and we’ve become attached. So it feels harder to let those go when the cash is only green and we don’t even see it anyway.

    And here we are at the final stages of constructing the 2020 team… the guys we’ll send out into battle to compete for lofty goals within a division that contains the current World Champions to go along with a couple of other big spending lofty-dreaming teams from the mighty NE region of the US. This is the NL Beast, not the NL Least. You cannot get by with flaws and holes. And as currently constructed, the Braves have a big gaping hole right smack in the middle of the batting order.

    So we must plug the hole. Not patch the hole… plug the hole. Nick Markakis is not a plug, he’s a band-aid at best, and not even a full size one. He’s more like the little knuckle bandage. It’s great and useful and needed for certain purposes. But you can’t use it for every cut, and you sure can’t use it on something big. Austin Riley’s not a plug. He’s like the plaster that you’re mixing up, but hasn’t been turned over enough. You can use it, but it won’t hold very long. It’s just not quite ready.

    Now according to my mantra, we have pitching to trade, such as Kyle Wright, Bryse Wilson, Touki Toussaint… even the aforementioned Anderson and Muller. And we have more in that account than we have in the cash account. So why won’t we spend it?

    Well, as most free markets do, they adjust to the dynamics of supply and demand. And the demand for a reliable power bat is quite high at the moment. But the supply… well, that’s where the rub is. You see, the demand is actually very particular. It’s picky and specific. The new market is all about team control. It’s analogous to market regulation, placing specific conditions on transactions. And it affects the way the free market operates. You see, if we just want the best out there, we’d pay the price demanded. But we don’t want the best available. We want guarantees and control and things that just don’t realistically exist.

    No, as with all investments, there is risk. And it doesn’t look like the Braves execs are willing to take the risks. And the truth is, neither are we fans. We don’t want to take a risk on sending off a guy we’ve developed an attachment to for a bat that might not be under the control we want. I don’t want to give up the promise of what Ian Anderson might be for 5+ years, for what Kris Bryant certainly is for just 2 years, and possibly only 1 year.

    Thus, the easy path has suddenly shifted to buying the hitting, against the traditional grain. But here we want the same level of certainty. We want to know that we get the same value in year 4 that we’ll get in year 1. But want to know a little secret? There’s no certainty for year 1. All manner of things can happen. Freak injuries occur. Stray pitches impact body parts. There area all manner of potential bad outcomes that are out of the hitter’s control that can happen in the blink of an eye. We want to receive guarantees, but we don’t want to give them. That’s not realistic.

    I guess the bottom line of all this rambling is simply this… you can step out and take a risk and reach for the gold ring. Or you can sit on your assets and hope everything falls your way. You can send off a vaunted prospect to get a proven player, or you can send your change-of-scenery guy off for their change-of-scenery guy and hope you catch lightning in a bottle. But I can hope in one hand and wish in another, and still have empty hands.

    At some point, we either have to decide we’re serious and take a risk on a high yield investment, or we have to be content to sit on our safe savings account with low interest.

    Ian Anderson or Phil Pfeifer? Drew Waters or Greyson Jenista? 4 years or 3 years? Risky or safe? Hungry or content? It’s all the same thing.

    What do the Atlanta Braves as an organization want? You can’t play it safe and expect a high reward. You can’t sit back on December 20 and hope Santa brings you everything that you want, or in your case everything that you need. No, you better get out and do some shopping, and you better take some cash… or other currency. And don’t shop at Walmart. You won’t find the ultimate prize there.

    After all, that’s what we want, right? Right?

    Right?

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    • 513 Gil in Mechanicsville December 20, 2019 at 9:49 am

      Right on the money Vee. I have long been saying that the Braves spend what they want to spend, not what they are able to spend. Take a look at NASCAR as an example of playing to win vs just being one of the field and hoping that thing break the right way for you and you get a win. Ever wonder why it is always the same teams who end up winning every week? If Joe Gibbs owned a ball club, I would bet on his winning every season.

      So much for analogies… Throwing money at a problem does not guarantee success but it makes failure a lot less likely.

      Now a word about Nick M. I like his bat in the 5 or 6 hole a lot more than as a clean-up hitter. Even in the 2 hole, he looks better than being the protector for Fab5. In a couple of years, as he matures, I look for Acuna Jr to fill the roll of clean-up hitter but he is still a baby at this point so lead off is where he will reside a while longer.

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  302. 514 Vox O'Reasoñ December 20, 2019 at 12:42 pm

    Jeff Schultz, ajc.com: Via @Ken_Rosenthal: Josh Donaldson “has multiple four-year offers, with both the Twins and Nationals believed to be at that level.” Braves may be reluctant to give a fourth year.

    So Schultz is quoting Rosey in saying that the 4-year offers are already there. Truth or fiction? I get a little queasy when quoting a guy quoting a guy.

    DO’B: Braves can be contenders and play with anyone with Donaldson returning to lineup and bullpen upgrades they’ve made, etc., but not if they lose his bat and don’t replace it with a similarly potent one.

    I hate to, but I agree with him 100%. Seems an easy fix to a big problem.

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  303. 515 Vox O'Reasoñ December 20, 2019 at 2:38 pm

    Seemingly random, but if P Taijuan Walker would sign a minor league deal, which he may be forced to do given he’s barely recovered from TJ and shoulder ailments (pitched 1 game for ARI at the end of the 2019 season), he might be a decent “bounce back” candidate and 5th starter candidate. I wouldn’t want him on a guaranteed ML contract, though.

    Walker was once a top prospect in SEA, and was prominently mentioned in many Braves rumors a few years back. You can never have too many arms in Spring Training.

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  304. 516 berigan2electricboogaloo December 21, 2019 at 11:41 am

    well, the easiest deal is re-signing JD (Duh Ber!) plus, unless he goes to the Twins, he can keep us from winning the NL East, or the NL Pennant (Dodgers) for 1 lousy year…which, it could his last year could be, but the dude works like crazy , and there have been 3rd basemen in their late 30s…heck, somehow Greg Nettles played there into his early 40’s. Darrell Evans…
    I really feel JD wants to come back here, and if AA doesn’t want to make 1 exception in the 4 year deal world…I will be disappointed in A.A.
    I wish there were other CFers with power, besides Marte…are there any ? Any that might get traded?

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  305. 517 berigan2electricboogaloo December 21, 2019 at 11:44 am

    which, it could his last year could be
    Yoda like I be 😛

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  306. 518 berigan2electricboogaloo December 21, 2019 at 11:54 am

    lets see if a retweet will embed correctly…

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  307. 519 Vox O'Reasoñ December 23, 2019 at 8:56 am

    I thought there was a slight, and only a slight chance the Braves would have interest in Ryu. I believe they had some moderate interest if – read IF – they failed in acquiring a power bat for the middle of the lineup. And Ryu was the last real game-changing starter available. So perhaps I’m connecting dots where there are no dots, but I think this does have a mild impact on the Braves<>Donaldson dance.

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    • 520 Gil in Mechanicsville December 23, 2019 at 11:13 am

      Vee, the Braves have not even finished with putting their “dots” in place so connecting them at this point is somewhat impossible. I think we all know what the Braves would like to happen but Chipper Jones is no longer available to take a deep “home discount” … The price of admission to the Josh Donaldson show continues to rise if you ask me. Perhaps we are not thinking far enough outside the box as of yet.

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  308. 521 Vox O'Reasoñ December 23, 2019 at 9:06 am

    Speaking of the Braves<>Donaldson dance, if prevailing thought is correct, the Braves are holding up the rest of FA market with respect to bats. Popular opinion now says that JD has his offers in hand from WAS and MIN, and has presented them to Thoppy to match, or at least come close enough to matching, as JD’s preference is to return to ATL. And of course, the heart of the consideration is the 4th guaranteed year.

    In a vacuum, I do not think I would offer the 4th year to JD. But baseball does not operate in a vacuum. And despite what Thoppy and other GM’s might say on the record, there has to be a certain amount of consideration given to what your division rivals are doing – in this case specifically, the swing effect of JD signing in WAS instead of here. Should that happen, we not only lose his big bat behind Freddie in our order, we have to pitch against his bat in the middle of the Nats order 19 times a year.

    As for me, if the hangup is the 4th year, if that’s all it really takes to bring him back, I do it. But then again, it’s easy to spend someone else’s money. I just don’t see alot of comparable alternatives left.

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    • 522 Gil in Mechanicsville December 23, 2019 at 11:23 am

      Maybe AA is waiting for Philly to offer up a trade of Bryse Harper? I know, that is silly but at some point I foresee the Fillies ownership blowing up their team after finishing behind the Nats and the Braves year after year.

      I cannot believe Liberty Media wouldn’t love to have a World Series winner but likely prefer that it be in Denver. Just saying….

      So, do we expect that we will have a decision by Donaldson prior to New Years? After all, after December 25th, the feeling of Christmas pretty much passes until next year at Halloween…

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  309. 524 Gordon Lawrence December 23, 2019 at 11:28 am

    So who’s in on 3B FRANCISCO LINDOR for two at 17.8 m per?
    Indians want every BRAVES prospect to make their rebuild.

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    • 525 Vox O'Reasoñ December 23, 2019 at 1:19 pm

      Lindor is a SS, and they would certainly want to raid the entire pantry. No thanks. I prefer a little sustainability over 1-and-done ala Miami in the 90’s. (With a little help from Eric Gregg.)

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  310. 526 Gil in Mechanicsville December 23, 2019 at 11:29 am

    On starting pitching… Does anyone know what happened to Sean Newcomb post the 2018 All-Star game? He was all world and then it seemed he could no longer get anyone out. The series in Yankee Stadium was awful for him. Maybe he is a cold weather pitcher… Much like Steve Avery was. Someone enlighten me please.

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    • 527 Vox O'Reasoñ December 23, 2019 at 1:23 pm

      Newk was (and still is) just a youngster. I think given the opportunity he could be a fine #5 starter on a strong staff, and I believe ours to be strong enough in that sense. Truth is, I’m personally more skeptical about Folty. Now that Julio is gone, Folty takes on the mantle of Braves Jekyll/Hyde.

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  311. 528 Vox O'Reasoñ December 23, 2019 at 2:16 pm

    As for the rotation as a whole, all you need to do is compare 2018 to 2019, and yes… I know the cake isn’t out of the oven yet. But even now, let’s look at what we know we have.

    2019 Soroka vs. 2020 Soroka: In his first full season as a starter, Soroka went 13-4 with a 2.68 ERA and 5.6 WAR over 174.2 IP. And at the tender age of just 22, we can reasonably expect more and better out of his 2019. Perhaps we didn’t sign or trade for an “ace” arm, but I think we already have one on board. He is our clear #1. IMPROVED

    2019 Fried vs. 2020 Fried: The 2019 Braves leader in Wins, Fried went 17-6 with a 4.02 ERA and 2.9 WAR in 165.2 IP. While not as young as Soroka, the 25-year-old Fried can still be counted on to be improved in 2019, especially with the presence of new mentor Cole Hamels. I count him as our #2, but Snit may see differently. IMPROVED

    2019 Keuchel vs. 2020 Hamels: The veteran lefty Hamels takes the role of experienced anchor among our still young group of starters. His 2019 version had a hiccup in June with an oblique strain, but prior to that he gave the Cubs a 2.92 ERA over his first 16 starts and still finished the campaign with a 3.0 WAR. Compared to a half season of Kevin Gausman and a half season of Dallas Keuchel, I believe this is a clear upgrade on its own, not even counting the effect he might have on young lefties Fried and Newk. IMPROVED

    2019 Folty vs. 2020 Folty: Which 2019 Folty will we see in 2020? Will we have the guy who couldn’t buy a win before his demotion, or the guy who couldn’t lose afterward? Honestly, if it weren’t for the bedwetting in the deciding Game 5 of the NLDS would we even be having this debate? Of for that matter, if the Game 1 masterpiece and the Game 5 flop were reversed, would it even be a topic of discussion? All things considered, I think he will at least be a better pitcher overall in 2020 simply because he appeared to have learned some important lessons during his exile to AAA. And as a #4 starter, he should be just fine. If he continues his post-ASB renaissance, he will be much better than just fine. IMPROVED

    2019 Julio vs. 2020 ???: Although I believe we are improved from 1-4, what we get from #5 could be the measuring stick of the entire rotation. Why? Because whether or not we want to admit it, Julio gave us a pretty respectable 2019 campaign. Maddening at times? Absolutely. But nevertheless, he still gave is 10 wins, a 3.81 ERA and 2.4 WAR over 174.2 IP. And it’s those innings that must be replaced to make the rotation roll. But check this out, when last a starter in 2018, Newk gave us 163.1 innings and 12 wins with 3.91 ERA… just 11.1 innings shy of Julio last season with pretty comparable numbers elsewhere. If Newk should win the job, would it be a step back? And if Kyle Wright or Bryse Wilson should win the job over Newk? Well, then they must be doing something better, right? And if there is another pitcher yet to be acquired, it must be because it’s a better option than those currently in house. I’m going to call this one no worse than EVEN at this stage.

    What does this mean? Well, to this fan at least, it means that our starting pitching, which led us to the 2019 NL East crown, ought to be better in 2020. And I believe that the margin of improvement does NOT lie on the shoulder (and elbow) of the as-yet-unknown #5 starter. I believe the degree in which this rotation improves is decided by how much better Soroka and Fried are. Those 2 could really be special sooner than later. Call me an optimist, because I am, but I think the 2020 Braves rotation as it sits could be better than that of MIA and PHI, and possibly better than the vaunted one in NYM. Of course, even an optimist must recognize what they have in WAS, but didn’t they have those same horses in 2019? Yes… I thought so.

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    • 529 Gil in Mechanicsville December 23, 2019 at 3:58 pm

      What we do know is Washington’s pen sucked big time. Yes, the have a very vaulted starting rotation but gave up leads in the 7,8,9 inning at an alarming rate. Same is true for the Mets. Phillie??? very spotty all the way around.

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  312. 530 Vox O'Reasoñ December 23, 2019 at 5:56 pm

    This truly never gets old.

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  313. 531 Vox O'Reasoñ December 24, 2019 at 12:16 am

    Just one man’s opinion, but if the reports are true and the ball has been in AA’s court for a day or so, I can’t help but think he’s going to pass. If not, wouldn’t he simply match and be done with it?

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  314. 532 Vox O'Reasoñ December 24, 2019 at 1:39 pm

    Alan Carpenter, Tomahawk Take, on the Josh Donaldson “guessing game”:

    What’s fascinating here is this: the Braves are effectively already ‘pot committed’ to the season as they’ve spent a bunch of money on an elite-level bullpen. You don’t do that unless you’re committed to finishing the task – and you’d expect that begins with Donaldson.

    Alex Anthopoulos has shown a stated willingness to spend a ‘little beyond the comfort zone’ (Sirius XM MLB Network Radio interview during Winter Meetings) to land the players they’ve already picked up.

    So why the hesitation over doing the same for Donaldson? Is there a Plan B trade that’s signed and sealed and awaiting delivery that he likes just as well? Is there a hard line over the 3-year/4-year duration issue?

    We truly don’t know, but it does seem a bit odd that the Braves would do so much early on, only to now draw a line and not cross it.

    Hard to disagree with anything he says there.

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    • 533 Gil in Mechanicsville December 24, 2019 at 4:35 pm

      I suspect they ran up against Christmas. So many people take the last two weeks of the year as a holiday but who really knows. I suspect the principles know but I have been left out of the loop so me reeling from the slight, the Braves are going to do what they are going to do… Maybe they are just waiting for Josh to get the coupon book for his mom’s Maserati…

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  315. 534 Carolina Lady December 24, 2019 at 5:41 pm

    To each of you amazing people here, I’m sending personal, straight-from-the-heart wishes to your and your entire clans for the most blessed, rejoiceful, and happy CHRISTmas you’ve ever experienced. I hope the feeling evoked during this time of year will continue all the way to next Christmas.

    You’re such a blessing to me. You make me smile, think, laugh, and learn. How special is that??

    MERRY CHRISTMAS!

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  316. 537 Gil in Mechanicsville December 24, 2019 at 6:51 pm

    Francisco Cervilli signed with the Marlins for $2 million today. Good for him.

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  317. 538 Gil in Mechanicsville December 25, 2019 at 7:11 am

    MERRY CHRISTMAS STUFFVILLE…

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  318. 539 Vox O'Reasoñ December 25, 2019 at 8:34 am

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  319. 541 berigan2electricboogaloo December 26, 2019 at 7:30 pm

    hope everyone had a very merry Christmas! 🙂

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  320. 542 Vox O'Reasoñ December 30, 2019 at 12:37 pm

    They say “no news is good news”. Is it? Is it really? And just who are “they” anyway?

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  321. 543 Vox O'Reasoñ December 30, 2019 at 5:17 pm

    Courtesy of Alan Carpenter, Tomahawk Take:

    Two former General Managers – Jim Bowden and Steve Phillips – are reporting this morning that a [Josh] Donaldson signing delay is about a continued bidding escalation. The Atlanta Braves – for now – are still in the hunt.

    Bowden on MLB Network Radio: “I have a source on the Donaldson side that has told me the Braves have gone to four years.”

    That’s the good news.

    More Bowden: “But my understand is that both the Nationals and the Braves along with the Twins have gone to four. I had originally thought 3 years / $75M. I quickly pivoted and went 4 / $100M and then I went to 4 / $112M, and now I’m not sure it isn’t more than that. You got to 4 years pretty quick… can you get to 5? Are you sure someone’s not going to go 5 years / $125M and get this done?

    W-w-w-what?

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  322. 545 Vox O'Reasoñ January 1, 2020 at 9:55 am

    Happy New Year friends!!

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  323. 546 Vox O'Reasoñ January 1, 2020 at 9:56 am

    Who could say no to this?

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  324. 547 Gil in Mechanicsville January 1, 2020 at 10:27 am

    Good morning all, Happy New Year to everyone.

    I am having a tough time getting into the “Braves” swing of things this week. Lack of news makes it difficult for me to accurately get any concrete take on the Braves path forward for the season at this point. Things such as Austin Riley’s return to the limelight or Pache’s debut in centerfield. We know it is coming but at what cost? On Donaldson, all I can say is be careful…

    In the non-steroid era, we will see those sudden drop offs in production again, the point where eyes fade and bat speed wanes. What I do know is that by October 2020, the road to the World Series will be littered with teams that fell short and a slew of GMs and managers will be unemployed based on their decisions made this winter.

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    • 548 Vox O'Reasoñ January 1, 2020 at 11:10 am

      For the Braves, the choice is simple. Spend cash now for short term certainty and long term questions, give up long term assets for short term satisfaction and long term questions, or roll with short term questions and long term… questions. Nobody knows what any of these players will do in 3 more years. But we all know what the best fit for 2020 is. Cash can be earned back. Good prospects cannot.

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      • 549 Vox O'Reasoñ January 1, 2020 at 11:15 am

        To take it a step further, good teams are built by good system development of home grown prospects. Great teams are built by filling in the gaps in the home grown talent through targeted Free Agent spending. We have the first part now… just need the second. Giving up our home grown talent for short term satisfaction takes us back a step. Spend the money; keep the young studs. Rinse and repeat.

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      • 550 Gil in Mechanicsville January 1, 2020 at 3:39 pm

        Very astutely put Vee. Puts the entire situation is a pretty neat little package.

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  325. 551 Vox O'Reasoñ January 1, 2020 at 11:18 am

    One could argue that a 4 year deal for BOR is actually wise in the long term when you take into account we will need a DH in 2 more years. It’s coming with the next CBA. It’s unavoidable.

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  326. 552 Carolina Lady January 1, 2020 at 4:05 pm

    Happiest New Year ever to each of you!

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  327. 553 Vox O'Reasoñ January 2, 2020 at 1:17 am

    Heard something but cannot confirm. Maybe there will be something of substance tomorrow. Wait… it’s already tomorrow. Later today..?

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    • 554 Vox O'Reasoñ January 2, 2020 at 8:23 am

      I believe this to have been a bad lead. It came from a mostly reliable person, but he never followed up with me on his source, and there is no apparent reason to think he is onto anything.

      Never mind. Nothing to see here.

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      • 555 Vox O'Reasoñ January 2, 2020 at 8:25 am

        As I said…

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        • 556 Vox O'Reasoñ January 2, 2020 at 8:43 am

          Well… he did follow up right after I posted this. And I will not get excited over a “friend of a friend”, but I know my friend believes it will be announced soon for 4 years @ 26-28M per year. I also believe my guy to be solid. He usually is.

          Still, it’s not a concrete source and unless I worked for CNN I would not run with it. Perhaps something of substance will rear its head soon and we can all raise a toast to good friends with good friends.

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  328. 557 Vox O'Reasoñ January 2, 2020 at 10:59 am

    Since it’s a new moth and new year, let’s post a reminder of upcoming dates:

    Jan. 10: Eligible players and teams exchange Arb figures
    Feb. 3-21: Arb hearings

    And most importantly:

    Feb. 12: P&CR to their new spring training facility in North Port, FL, a mere 588.1 miles from the Voxerosa. I could be there in just 8 hours and 38 minutes. Less with a tail wind.

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  329. 559 Gil in Mechanicsville January 2, 2020 at 12:25 pm

    Something I think everyone should keep in mind, no matter how huge the new contracts appear to be, we have not yet seen the top. So, what appears to be an outrage today will be pretty mundane and ordinary in a few years. The only folks hurt by all this is we poor smucks who are on a fixed income. I cannot complain however, after all, I am not starving and I am not afraid to answer my telephone for fear of someone is dunning me for money.

    I had thought about making the trek to North Port to watch spring training but realistically, it is a bridge too far. I think I will be sensible and just drive the 90 miles to DC next summer for a game or two. Oddly, the price of admission for seats is not much more than the $35 a pop the Braves will be charging to see the minor leaguers tune up.

    SO, what of the Bringer of Rain? He appears to be in the driver’s seat on this thing doesn’t he?

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    • 560 Vox O'Reasoñ January 2, 2020 at 1:16 pm

      I’ve read a few “reports” recently that predict 4 yrs / $112M, which is an AAV of $28M. This appears to be the direction the deal is going.

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  330. 561 Vox O'Reasoñ January 2, 2020 at 1:42 pm

    Here’s a little nugget to chew on, too.

    Josh Donaldson was a 6.1 WAR player in 2019. Nolan Arenado was a 5.7 WAR player.

    Arenado is slated to make $35M per year for the next 5 years, then $32M in the 6th, with a team option for a 7th year. Of course, he can opt out after 2021.

    So let’s just look at those certain 2 years at $35M each…

    JD had a greater WAR in 2019, and seems poised to be at least as good in 2020, and maybe in 2021 as well.

    If you allocate the reported $112M in the same manner as Arenado’s $35M per year for those first 2 years, then the 3rd and 4th years, JD’s age 36 & 37 years, are essentially only costing $21M each. 36-year-old Edwin Encarnacion will get $12M in 2020 dollars from the Pale Hose, and he’s not half the player JD is. In fact, he’s not half the WAR JD is either, at just 2.7 for 2019. So if you don’t think JD will be worth $28M in 2022, would you feel better at $21M? Especially if he becomes your DH?

    And don’t forget, the prospect cost to acquire Arenado would be Teixeirian plus some.

    At minimum, 2 years of Arenado is going to cost $70M even if he opts out, and the cost balloons to $234M if he stays for the full 7. And if he does opt out after just 2 seasons in ATL, we’ll have flushed a handful of our best prospects down the toilet ala Mark Teixeira and shortened the window of World Series contention dramatically. It still makes more organizational sense to re-up with the Bringer even at 4/$112M, specifically with regard to overall money and the ability to keep your young studs for the long game.

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  331. 563 Vox O'Reasoñ January 2, 2020 at 4:13 pm

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  332. 564 Vox O'Reasoñ January 2, 2020 at 5:08 pm

    MLBTR:

    Latest On Josh Donaldson
    By Connor Byrne | January 2, 2020 at 2:08pm CDT

    The seven-year, $234MM Arenado’s still owed could prove too rich for their blood. Donaldson shouldn’t cost anywhere near that much in cash, nor would the Braves have to cough up young players for him, and they already know he can thrive in their uniform.

    Now these guys are reading our little space also? Didn’t we just say this same thing earlier in the afternoon?

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  333. 565 Gil in Mechanicsville January 2, 2020 at 6:15 pm

    Of course Freddie Freeman is watching all this while planning for his great grandchilden’s retirements. All that money being thrown around , you know he would love to stay in Atlanta but my goodness you can’t hardly imagine him not getting $25M plus…

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  334. 566 Gordon Lawrence January 3, 2020 at 12:49 pm

    AA in deep-stealth mode.

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  335. 567 Gordon Lawrence January 3, 2020 at 1:07 pm

    My thoughts once Moose signed were 130m over three years with a hefty buy-out fourth.

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  336. 568 Vox O'Reasoñ January 3, 2020 at 2:32 pm

    I’m predicting 4/112. The presence of the aggressive Twins in the derby is going to run this thing all the way to the upper end of the scale. He won’t get 5 years, as some have speculated it could run to. I do wonder if some team might offer a 5th year team option to make it an offer he can’t refuse.

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    • 569 Vox O'Reasoñ January 3, 2020 at 2:40 pm

      What if he got a 5th year option with a $7M buyout? That would make the total payout from 4 years at $119M, which still wouldn’t elevate him into the Top 10 in baseball AAV. It’s not an outrageous amount for the Bringer Of Protection For A Healthy Freddie. Can you imagine a top half of the lineup that sports a more mature Ronald Acuña, Jr., a more mature Ozzie Albies, a healthy Freddie, and a still dangerous (and always hungry) Josh Donaldson? Opposing pitchers would lay restless at night knowing those guys are going to be out there for the foreseeable future.

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  337. 570 Vox O'Reasoñ January 3, 2020 at 2:52 pm

    I have to be honest. Josh Donaldson is a “son of the south”, and I would think he would not look forward to playing March and April ballgames in Minneapolis.

    Here’s something else to ponder…

    There are only 2 MLB parks left that have some sort of artificial turf. Both are in the AL, and one is his former home park in Toronto (Tampa is the other one). You have to think that playing half his games on that unforgiving surface contributed to his calf issues in 2018. JD might prefer to stay in the NL to minimize going into those parks also.

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  338. 571 Vox O'Reasoñ January 3, 2020 at 4:23 pm

    Since there is nothing else to chew on today, let’s reach for something of substance.

    The Braves and their 7 arb eligible players exchange arb figures 1 week from today. Those players, along with their projected 2020 salaries according to MLBTR:

    Folty = $7.5M
    Shane Greene = $6.5M
    Duvall = $3.8M
    Dansby = $3.3M
    Luke Jackson = $1.9M
    Johan = $1.6M
    Grant Dayton = $0.8M

    Hard to imagine that Adam Duvall is projected to earn more than Dansby. Same for Sliderman over Camargo. There’s obviously something to be said for service time.

    One has to wonder if the front office might try to work out something more certain for a couple of these guys, such as Dansby and Folty? Maybe they have to see what the payroll will look like after they add Bringer back into it. 🙂

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  339. 572 Vox O'Reasoñ January 3, 2020 at 5:56 pm

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  340. 573 Vox O'Reasoñ January 4, 2020 at 1:51 am

    MLBTR:

    Weeks of bidding has reportedly driven the price tag for Josh Donaldson into the nine-figure range over a four-year term, with at least three clubs said to be sitting at that lofty price point. The end game may now be upon us.

    The star third baseman has given teams what amounts to a firm and final asking price, according to a report from Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic. Donaldson is “simply waiting for one of the clubs to his number” — around $110MM — per the report.

    My guess still stands at 4/112.

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  341. 574 Gil in Mechanicsville January 4, 2020 at 10:31 am

    The way of the world methinks, sometimes you have to pay a bit more than you want for something you really need. Just ask anyone who sells umbrellas for a living…

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  342. 576 Vox O'Reasoñ January 6, 2020 at 8:26 am

    Phil Miller, The Minneapolis Star-Tribune:

    Twins likely out of the bidding for Josh Donaldson

    The Twins’ pursuit of Josh Donaldson isn’t over, but the team has grown pessimistic about the outcome. Sources with knowledge of the negotiations say Donaldson has not appeared interested in signing with Minnesota, and the team has begun investigating other options.

    Like we said a couple of days ago, why would any red-blooded son-of-the-south (born in Pensacola, raised in Mobile, went to college at Auburn) want to play baseball in Minneapolis in March and April, especially when he has a better option in Atlanta?

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  343. 577 Vox O'Reasoñ January 6, 2020 at 8:36 am

    Also, over the weekend, the Nats signed both Asdrubal Cabrera and Starlin Castro. And while neither would keep JD out of their lineup, they have certainly hedged their IF options with the 2 deals. Both of those guys are former SS who can play all over the IF, and Cabrera shared 2B duties for them last year. So while the signings certainly will take the Nats out of the Donaldson market altogether, they do lessen the urgency for them. IMO, the Braves are now firmly in the driver’s seat in the pursuit of the Bringer Of Rain. Perhaps the only thing holding up a deal now is JD’s side simply not being in any hurry. And honestly, why should they be?

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  344. 579 Gil in Mechanicsville January 6, 2020 at 9:21 am

    So… Is it raining yet? Hoping the announcement is made today that JD is inking a contract with the Braves so we can move on to the next step towards winning the 2020 World Series.

    We know not all pennants are won in April and May but you sure can lose one, just ask the Nats. What they did after the first third of the season is the stuff of legends but several time they were one loss away from going home. They still have a stellar starting staff but their bull pen is weak despite their signing of Will Smith over the week end.

    So, BOR if you are reading this, let’s get it done…

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  345. 580 Vox O'Reasoñ January 6, 2020 at 10:19 am

    If anyone cares…

    Over the weekend, the Braves signed LHP Chris Nunn to minor-league deal that includes an invite to spring training. Who is Chris Nunn? Scott Coleman of Talking Chop describes him thus: “On the surface he is a 29-year-old lefty who has never thrown a pitch in the Majors and has bounced around from various minor league organizations in recent years. Dig a little deeper on the Google machine and you’ll find he is somewhat of a viral social media star.”

    He goes on to say, “He has also been featured quite a bit on @PitchingNinja, who is behind the program that aims to gain exposure for pitchers with wicked stuff who have been left behind.”

    Apparently Pitching Ninja got the attention of someone in the Braves house. The video that got everyone buzzing is in the tweet below.

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    • 581 Vox O'Reasoñ January 6, 2020 at 10:22 am

      That’s a pretty nice vantage point to observe those lasers. Not a one of them was straight… all of them having some tailing action at the end. Now can he control it? Maybe that’s why he’s bounced around so much. But why not take a flyer on a guy who might give you a little lightning in a bottle?

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      • 582 Gil in Mechanicsville January 6, 2020 at 11:03 am

        Yes, he can throw hard, what else has he got? The road to the big leagues is littered with pitchers who can throw hard, what kind of wrinkle pitch does he have? Ask Folty, what do you have to keep hitters off balance because those heaters he is tossing will get out of the park in a hurry against major league batters.

        No doubt, he could blow past a lot of 7, 8 and 9 hitters but Acuna could blast that pitch 500 feet. just saying. So, it will be up to the braves coaching staff to coach him up to the bigs. Now, impress me with an overhead camera shot that shows me some break on a slider or a change up with the same arm action….

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  346. 583 Gil in Mechanicsville January 6, 2020 at 11:05 am

    Correction, it was Will Harris, not Will Smith the Nationals signed.

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  347. 584 Vox O'Reasoñ January 6, 2020 at 11:43 am

    With all of the talk recently revolving around Josh Donaldson and the Braves need for a middle-of-the-order bat, we have sort of taken our eyes off a couple of the other items that were on the checklist going into the meat of the hot stove season.

    We said we needed starting pitching and a good defensive-minded backup SS. Did we get those?

    Well, although I know this opinion is not unanimous among my fellow Stuffians, I believe Cole Hamels addressed a major portion of the rotation need. I believe it was a very good and targeted signing for this young staff, and I believe Hamels will prove to be invaluable to young lefties Max Fried and Sean Newcomb. Is he the ace we all wanted? No… not anymore. In fact, he may even slot in at #3 or #4 in this rotation depending on the type of spring that Max and Folty have. And if Mike Soroka takes the step forward like most expect, he is the ace we have been lacking. Still, it would have been nice to have paired him up with another big arm. But I think we also need to take a deeper dive into what the Braves already have in house. If Folty can be the dominant pitcher he was in the 2nd half of 2019, and in Game 2 of the NLDS, he’s as good as many of the pitchers on the market. And alot younger, too. Let’s not sleep on Max Fried, either. His name is the one that comes up first as a trade target in a proposed Kris Bryant deal. That’s because he’s very good and likely our #2 or #3 at this point. He had a somewhat breakout season himself in 2019, and could be even better in 2020. And let’s be honest… with all pitchers you always have to say “if” they can do this or that. So 1-4, the rotation looks pretty good like it sits. As for the #5, I believe we are doing a great disservice to Sean Newcomb by discounting him. As Ber showed us in an earlier post, his stats as a starer in 2018 were very comparable to popular trade target Robbie Ray. Is there any reason to believe he can’t repeat it? I don’t think so. And I hope he proves me right. Soroka, Fried, Folty, Hamels, Newcomb could be a very good (and young) rotation moving forward, not to mention the gems we have waiting to emerge. I think we can win with this group.

    What about the backup SS? Well… yes and no. Bringing Charlie back on a minor league deal at least gives AA something to fall back on. But AA saw a need to improve over Charlie after Dansby’s injury in 2019, and I think he will still look to do the same again before we open the lid on 2020. This offseason is far from over, and many of the complimentary players aren’t signed until teams have filled their more pressing holes. Thus, a guy like Adeiny Hechavarría is a great candidate to return as long as some other team doesn’t need him more as a starter… such as the Orioles. As we tick closer to Spring Training, which is just over a month away, those lesser pieces will start to fall into place as well. I think there will be another candidate for that job before the begin to break a sweat at North Port.

    And all that said… don’t discount that AA could still have a big trade up his sleeve. He’s got the prospects to deal, and he’s got the “win now” motivation to make it happen. The timing says this is the year to make a ground shaking deal. Don’t be surprised if something still happens that takes us all by surprise.

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    • 585 Gil in Mechanicsville January 6, 2020 at 3:17 pm

      I took a peak at the pre-season top 30 Braves prospects and the top 100 minor league prospects for baseball. While the Braves do not have the top prospect any longer, they have 4 in the top 35 and 5 in the top 65. That is pretty stout. I doubt any rookie will break camp with the main club unless Ender is traded but I will not be surprise Pache added around the first of June. After all, you like to break your rookies in at the major league level one at a time. Drew Waters is on that short list too if either is not traded for a big arm this spring. Neither would be expected to provide power but from all that has been said and written about the Braves prospects, Pache could start in centerfield now. Let’s see how much muscle he has added during the off season.

      As for pitching, Ian Anderson is right at the cusp of breaking out and Bryce Wilson has shown flashes of dominance. There are several potential candidates to travel north with the big club this spring. I guess we will all have to wait and see.

      So, big bat in the middle of the line up and a solid starting pitcher. Plus a back up infielder who can play short… Not a terrible big list but like anything else, it is the detail work that takes the longest to complete.

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  348. 586 Vox O'Reasoñ January 6, 2020 at 3:32 pm

    And in a very timely move considering my previous post, the Orioles signed SS Jose Iglesias today, effectively removing Hechy from their radar. That is good news for AA and the Braves.

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  349. 587 Vox O'Reasoñ January 6, 2020 at 3:53 pm

    Nats just signed another reliever in Daniel Hudson, who gets $11M guaranteed for 2020, with another $1M possible in performance related bonuses. The way they have spent $$ over the last few days on their IF and bullpen – Castro ($12M), Cabrera ($2.5M), Harris ($24M; $8M AAV), and Hudson ($11M) – you can’t help but think they are moving on from Josh Donaldson. It sure looks like it, anyway.

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  350. 589 Vox O'Reasoñ January 6, 2020 at 4:11 pm

    Watch the Nats go and get Todd Frazier on a 1 year deal and bridge to Carter Kieboom. He would probably thrive in DC for a season. Did anybody realize that Frazier is actually younger than Josh Donaldson? The Toddfather is just 33.

    Here are some relevant 2019 numbers on Frazier: 2.2 WAR, .251/.329/.443, 21 HR

    He would not in any way make up for losing Anthony Rendon’s bat, but he would not be a bad addition to the Nats lineup and would be a great guy to replace Ryan Zimmerman’s leadership. The Nats could do alot worse.

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  351. 590 Vox O'Reasoñ January 6, 2020 at 4:13 pm

    There is some chirping that says we might here something from the Braves vis-a-vis Josh Donaldson in the next 24 hours. Stay tuned…

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  352. 591 Vox O'Reasoñ January 6, 2020 at 4:18 pm

    Personally, I’d still like to see an upgrade in the OF. A DuKakis platoon might be “OK” in LF, but just OK is not OK.

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  353. 592 Gil in Mechanicsville January 6, 2020 at 6:28 pm

    I have heard Kieboom’s name mentioned several times as related to the Nats, one was he would be an ask by the Cubs for Bryant.

    I thought Donaldson signing would be announced today but maybe all parties involved want to be in place at the same time. I don’t know where everyone is scattered off to these days.

    I was thinking the same thing as far as the Nats’ money goes. Not saying they couldn’t swing it but likely would rather not.

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  354. 593 Vox O'Reasoñ January 6, 2020 at 6:49 pm

    … and now the Nats have guaranteed another $4M to 1B Eric Thames. They say they’re not out on Donaldson, but their actions appear to contradict that.

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  355. 594 berigan2electricboogaloo January 6, 2020 at 9:19 pm

    gee, I’d hate to see the Josh Donaldson saga to end, it’s been so much….fun :/

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  356. 595 Vox O'Reasoñ January 6, 2020 at 9:41 pm

    Is Rain in tomorrow’s forecast? Hmmm…

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  357. 596 Vox O'Reasoñ January 6, 2020 at 9:48 pm

    I couldn’t resist the Temptation…

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  358. 597 Vox O'Reasoñ January 7, 2020 at 7:58 am

    My internet is out this morning and that makes me very ill. Of course it is on the day that I’m expecting maybe perhaps a special announcement? But just for the record, it did Rain here overnight. Perhaps it will Rain in Atlanta later today.

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  359. 600 Vox O'Reasoñ January 7, 2020 at 8:31 am

    Yep.

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  360. 601 Vox O'Reasoñ January 7, 2020 at 9:46 am

    Ahhh… good times. And by the way, George Brett was a 3B that was a former MVP who played through age 40 at a high level, and had a 4.1 WAR at age 37, finishing 7th in MVP voting that season. He was worth the investment it took to keep him in KC though his latter years. For those who keep saying JD won’t be worth $28M at age 38, the last year of his deal would actually be at age 37. 34 in 2020, 35 in 2021, 36 in 2022, and 37 in 2023. And he’ll be worth every dime he gets in the last 2 years if he helps us get to a World Series in any of them. Truth.

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    • 602 Gil in Mechanicsville January 7, 2020 at 1:45 pm

      Something I have learned in my personal battles at auctions, (which this is in a broader sense) is that I have had more remorse over the things I have not won verses those I did not. Not saying that one can’t seriously over pay for something, just as long as you know what something really is worth and the possibility that the same or similar items can be obtained somewhere else, the rarity of said item can greatly exceed the perceived value. Or as my dad use to say when asked how much something is worth, “it is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it”.

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  361. 603 Vox O'Reasoñ January 7, 2020 at 9:46 am

    Woo hoo!!

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  362. 604 Vox O'Reasoñ January 7, 2020 at 4:21 pm

    CL, here are some suggestions for our countdown boxes:

    Pitchers & Catchers Report: Feb. 12
    Braves 2020 Grapefruit League Opener: Feb. 22 vs BAL
    Braves 2020 Regular Season Opener: Mar. 26 @ ARI

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  363. 605 Vox O'Reasoñ January 8, 2020 at 8:22 am

    Bring the Rain…

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  364. 606 Vox O'Reasoñ January 8, 2020 at 12:28 pm

    So the obvious question this morning, in light of recent indications that the Braves have pulled ahead in the Donaldson Derby, is this: What’s taking so long?

    Well, I believe there are a handful of possibilities…

    First, it could be as simple as the logistics of assembling all the parties together from various vacations, locations, etc. Maybe JD has taken his family to the Bahamas for a few days? Who knows? It could be that simple.

    Or maybe a basic framework is in place and there are some of the finer details of the deal needing some “i’s” dotted or “t’s” crossed that are being batted back and forth between lawyers. Those fellas are not always in a big hurry, billable hours and all. It could also be that simple.

    But I think the delay comes down to one very basic element: no team has offered the 4 years / $110M that the JDon camp is reportedly seeking. We know that shortly after those numbers hit the public consciousness that the Twins began expressing pessimism. And about the same time, the Nats seemingly pivoted to other priorities with a flurry of signings that included Starlin Castro who could man 3B in a capable fashion if called upon. Texas had already moved on before that, and the Dodgers seem to be hanging around the contest even though they have not made an offer if the reports are correct.

    So where do we currently stand in this seemingly never ending saga? We know on the record that 3 teams have extended offers that include a 4th year, those being MIN, WAS and ATL. We know that much to be true, according to published reports. And those same reports would indicate that those offers are all still on the table for JD to accept or decline. We also know that the Bringer has stated he wants to return to ATL and would give Thoppy a chance to match any other offers. There was also a recent local report that it was believed the Braves offer had reached 9 figures. Is that a known fact? Uh… not really, but it’s at least worth noting. That’s all we really know. Everything else is pure speculation.

    But if you take the elements we do know, and look at the current apparent impasse, one can reasonably conclude that none of the 3 standing offers approach the $110M total amount that JD’s camp is seeking. And of course, that spawns another question…

    Are we in the midst of a good old fashioned stare down where each side is waiting for the other to blink?

    If we can believe the report that the Braves offer is in the 9 figure range, then we might also reasonably conclude that the current standoff is over about $10M, or the difference between $100M and $110M. Can that be? Can $10M be a sticking point on a $100M deal? Well, simply stated, yes it can. If Liberty Media has authorized $100M and no more, and JD has drawn a line in the sand at $110M, then $10M can absolutely become the immovable obstacle.

    This casual sports fan and occasional amateur blogger has come to the conclusion that this is likely where things stand, and that JD (or his agent Dan Lozano) is simply waiting and hoping that one of the interested teams will start to sweat and meet his terms. But if the reports are true and the Twins are doubtful they can sign him, and the recent spate of moves by the Nats show they’re ready to pivot elsewhere, does that really leave the Braves as the lone “major bidder” for JD’s services? Is the seeming stalemate just between JD and AA?

    There are still about 35 days until P&CR and still time for JD to sit and wait. And he’s not going broke in the mean time… I promise. And he’s gonna get paid. The only question for him is by whom and for how much. For the Braves, though, the ramifications are more critical. If not JD, then whom? And will he fill the void completely? And at what cost in dollars and/or prospects?

    Go ahead and blink, Thoppy. Josh has the upper hand here. The Braves have alot more to lose than JD does unless you’ve got some other trick up your sleeve. Then again, with Alex that’s always a possibility. And we’ll never see it coming. #ninjaGM

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  365. 607 Vox O'Reasoñ January 8, 2020 at 1:35 pm

    Seriously? 🙄

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  366. 611 Vox O'Reasoñ January 8, 2020 at 1:45 pm

    Filed under Stuff:

    My quarterback Jake Fromm has just announced he’s leaving the UGA Bulldogs for the NFL. God bless you Jake. You have been a fierce competitor on the field and an exemplary young man in character both on and off. I hope your pro career is everything you want. You will surely find success in life beyond football. Thanks for 3 years of high level football, 3 SEC championship games, and 1 Nat’l Championship game. You are a winner sir.

    Next man up…

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  367. 612 Vox O'Reasoñ January 8, 2020 at 3:20 pm

    Crazy question…

    If the weird outcome happens and Donaldson signs with the Twins, would they look to trade their incumbent 3B Miguel Sanó?

    Numbers on the 26-yr-old RH hitting Sanó from 2019: 3.1 WAR, .247/.346/.576, 34 HR

    He made just $2.65M last season in his 2nd year of arb, is projected to earn $5.9M this season, and is under team control until 2022. I can’t see them trading him. They’d more likely move him across the diamond to 1B where they non-tendered CJ Cron.

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  368. 613 Vox O'Reasoñ January 8, 2020 at 3:53 pm

    Translation: Asking for God’s good health to get out to the field and do what I like. Day by day I feel better.

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  369. 614 Vox O'Reasoñ January 8, 2020 at 5:29 pm

    SunTrust Park is no longer SunTrust Park…

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  370. 616 Vox O'Reasoñ January 9, 2020 at 9:22 am

    I have to admit it… I’m beginning to feel a little bit of Josh Donaldson fatigue. He is getting constant attention from every national writer because he’s the last major Free Agent to sign. And most of the reporting is simply regurgitating the same things that we have known for days and days.

    My hand is raised here also. I’m guilty. I’ve done little more than pick it up there and put it down here. And it’s getting old.

    So I will effort to limit my transfer of information to items that are new, or relatively new.

    This morning, there is a little bit of news… sort of. It’s actually more like some reinforcement of things that have been recently speculated. For instance, Steve Adams and Jeff Todd teamed up at MLBTR on a new piece that is up this morning that is trying to define the current status of the market.

    In the case of the Twins, they write: “Perhaps growing impatient with the increasingly drawn-out nature of the Donaldson negotiations, and/or seeking leverage in talks, the Twins have begun to explore the trade market for alternative approaches to improving their club, Dan Hayes and Aaron Gleeman of The Athletic report. The Twins, per the report, have “seen an uptick” in the volume of trade talks over the past three days as they explore additions at a variety of positions. The club isn’t limiting itself to corner infield options and remains open to adding a starting pitcher if the opportunity presents itself.”

    On the Nats they write: “Meanwhile, the Washington Post’s Jesse Dougherty writes that the Nationals have “all but moved on from Donaldson.” That’s perhaps contradictory with recent reporting indicating that the Nats haven’t pulled their offer, but the two could also coexist. It’s plausible, for instance, that the Nationals could leave their previously standing offer on the table but that the team also doesn’t intend to actively pursue a signing and doesn’t expect to land Donaldson. At minimum, with Starlin Castro, Howie Kendrick, Eric Thames and Asdrubal Cabrera all in the fray, the D.C. org obviously feels no pressure to push up its bid.”

    Both of these paragraphs basically support what we’ve speculated, so it is relevant. Now it appears to be more than just speculation.

    Perhaps the most insightful statement they make in the article is this:

    At this point, it’s fair to wonder just how close the Donaldson camp will get to the third baseman’s reported asking price — said just a few days ago to sit in the vicinity of $110MM. Ever since Anthony Rendon signed, we’ve heard talk of heavy interest in Donaldson. And an expectation has emerged more recently that he would enter the rarefied nine-figure realm. Indeed, as we discussed last week, MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand reported that the Twins, Nationals and Braves “all have four-year offers out to [Donaldson] in that $100MM range.” What exactly constitutes the “$100MM range” is perhaps subject to some degree of interpretation.

    Yes. The fair question to ask is what exactly constitutes the “$100MM range”? And if the Nats are truly out of the active market for him, doesn’t that really just leave the Twins and Braves, each of whom could be considered budget conscious teams? And again, the wins may themselves be moving on and have a pretty darn good 3B already on their club.

    OK. That’s it for Donaldson news today unless there is some real update. I think. Sometimes I just can’t help myself.

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  371. 617 Vox O'Reasoñ January 9, 2020 at 9:35 am

    Holy cow! I’ve watched baseball all my life and have never seen a batter respond like that. That’s crazy!

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    • 618 Vox O'Reasoñ January 9, 2020 at 9:36 am

      BTW- According to DO’B, the Braves’ Rafael Ortega is on the team that was in the field, but noted “I checked the boxscore and [Ortega] didn’t play tonight. I don’t know if he’s still down there or not.” On a side note, DO’B went on to say that “… but he’s among the team leaders in games played with 45 this winter. Has a .363 OBP, 14 doubles (third in the league) and 3 triples.” Ortega was a decent LH bat off our bench down the stretch last year. Not great, but decent.

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  372. 620 Gil in Mechanicsville January 9, 2020 at 10:14 am

    Good morning fellow Stuffians, every morning I awake to search for news to see if there is any rain in the future, everyday I am disappointed. I guess the next big news to break in Atlanta will be the new signage at Suntrust… Not a signing…

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  373. 622 Gil in Mechanicsville January 9, 2020 at 12:40 pm

    If the Braves are smart, they will make a real arty out of it and re-sign Josh at the same time…

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  374. 623 berigan2electricboogaloo January 9, 2020 at 3:30 pm

    I have to admit it… I’m beginning to feel a little bit of Josh Donaldson fatigue.

    a little?????? 😉 I have a ton of it….it’s funny to read over at MLBTR trying to repackage the same ol’ leftovers…
    if the Twins sign him, I’m “ok” with that….Nats? Then I’m po’ed….they have a smaller market, older stadium (I mean, not generating excitement, and I assume it’s not a destination area, but what do I know?) and a bigger budget than we do…..
    and if we sign him? Great! (shocking, I know)
    but otherwise….when does spring training start????

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  375. 625 Gordon Lawrence January 9, 2020 at 6:11 pm

    Didn’t we know that this is the way things would go with the “bringer” and his retirement contract?
    Which is why I was on MOOSE from the get-go @ 18 per for three.
    We could have had 3B nailed down, and been after a strong outfield bat for the five-hole, and a fifth starter through a trade.

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  376. 626 Gordon Lawrence January 9, 2020 at 6:16 pm

    GIL:
    Are you ready to check out the new O’TOOL’S?
    Wife had lunch there, and brought me a cheese burger and beets rather than fries.
    But I thirst………
    How about next thursday provided the weather cooperates.
    Surely, the BRAVES will have moved on, or JD will be a BRAVE by mid-January.

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  377. 628 Vox O'Reasoñ January 10, 2020 at 9:14 am

    No news of you know who, but noon ET today is the deadline for teams and players to submit their arbitration figures.

    For the Braves, those players, along with their projected 2020 salaries according to MLBTR:

    Folty = $7.5M
    Greene = $6.5M
    Duvall = $3.8M
    Dansby = $3.3M
    Luke = $1.9M
    Johan = $1.6M
    Dayton = $0.8M

    I think it’s fair to say we’ll see a flurry of announcements of 1 or 2 year agreements with most of these guys in the next couple of hours…

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  378. 629 Vox O'Reasoñ January 10, 2020 at 9:30 am

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  379. 630 Gordon Lawrence January 10, 2020 at 11:11 am

    GIL:
    13,911 MIDLOTHIAN Turnpike
    In the complex with the new PUBLIX that’s still under construction I believe.
    If you get to WINTERFIELD Road you went too far going out of town.
    Coming intown from 288, you cross over the R.R. overpass on Midlothian, pass IVYMONT shopping center with a KROGER’s [Winterfield-LeGordon road intersection], and it’s on your right after the intersection.

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  380. 632 Vox O'Reasoñ January 10, 2020 at 12:09 pm

    Folty agreed to a 1 year deal at $6.425M.

    Dansby agreed to a 1 year deal at $3.15M.

    Stay tuned for further updates…

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  381. 633 Vox O'Reasoñ January 10, 2020 at 12:14 pm

    Arb deadline update:

    Folty = $7.5M projected -> signed 1 yr / $6.425M
    Greene = $6.5M projected
    Duvall = $3.8M projected
    Dansby = $3.3M projected -> signed 1 yr / $3.15M
    Luke = $1.9M projected
    Johan = $1.6M projected
    Dayton = $0.8M projected

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  382. 634 Vox O'Reasoñ January 10, 2020 at 12:22 pm

    Random thought…

    I wonder if the Cubs would seek to ink Kris Bryant to a 2 year deal to end their “grievance” nonsense. From Bryant’s standpoint, he is very likely to lose said grievance anyway. From the Cubs perspective, it would clarity to every prospective trade partner that they’d for certain have 2 years of team control remaining. It would seem to me that such a compromise on a reasonable 2 year deal would be advantageous to all parties.

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  383. 637 Vox O'Reasoñ January 10, 2020 at 1:12 pm

    Wowser!

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  384. 638 Vox O'Reasoñ January 10, 2020 at 1:35 pm

    Arb deadline update:

    Folty = $7.5M projected -> signed 1 yr / $6.425M
    Greene = $6.5M projected
    Duvall = $3.8M projected
    Dansby = $3.3M projected -> signed 1 yr / $3.15M
    LuJack = $1.9M projected -> signed 1 yr / $1.825M
    Johan = $1.6M projected
    Dayton = $0.8M projected

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  385. 639 Vox O'Reasoñ January 10, 2020 at 1:58 pm

    Arb deadline update:

    Folty = $7.5M projected -> signed 1 yr / $6.425M
    Greene = $6.5M projected
    Duvall = $3.8M projected
    Dansby = $3.3M projected -> signed 1 yr / $3.15M
    LuJack = $1.9M projected -> signed 1 yr / $1.825M
    Johan = $1.6M projected -> signed 1 yr / $1.7M
    Dayton = $0.8M projected

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  386. 640 Vox O'Reasoñ January 10, 2020 at 2:10 pm

    Just awaiting figures on the others.

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    • 641 Vox O'Reasoñ January 10, 2020 at 2:25 pm

      … and a reminder that the Braves are a “file and trial” team. If they didn’t reach an agreement with Greene, then it will go to arb. I wonder if that would affect potential trade value? Probably not. He’s an All-Star closer, and we’ve already seen how teams are valuing good bullpen arms this offseason.

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  387. 642 Vox O'Reasoñ January 10, 2020 at 2:28 pm

    Arb deadline update:

    Folty = $7.5M projected -> signed 1 yr / $6.425M
    Greene = $6.5M projected
    Duvall = $3.8M projected -> signed 1 yr / $3.25M
    Dansby = $3.3M projected -> signed 1 yr / $3.15M
    LuJack = $1.9M projected -> signed 1 yr / $1.825M
    Johan = $1.6M projected -> signed 1 yr / $1.7M
    Dayton = $0.8M projected -> signed 1 yr / $655K

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  388. 644 Vox O'Reasoñ January 10, 2020 at 4:40 pm

    Filed under Stuff:

    A legend.

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  389. 646 Vox O'Reasoñ January 10, 2020 at 9:34 pm

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  390. 647 Gordon Lawrence January 10, 2020 at 10:35 pm

    Still no rain in ATL?
    Whats a fan to do?

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  391. 648 Vox O'Reasoñ January 11, 2020 at 4:50 pm

    One of our many “assets”. I still predict that some of these ready or near ready assets will be traded before we get to North Port. #ninjaGM

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    • 649 Gordon Lawrence January 12, 2020 at 9:58 am

      If TUCKER is eating healthy and added strength resulting in all the improvements attributed to his game, I may very well take him off the “near-miss” prospect category, and add him to the “A” list instead.
      Up to now, I have not found him to be particularly impressive.
      Hopefully, he has made the jump to a real rotational prospect for ATL.
      Still no rain.
      Seems pretty obvious others have moved on, and AA isn’t budging off the last offer.
      Makes me very nervous that we are tied to a 34 year-old’s ship that may spring leaks at any time, and that we’re on a cruise with him to 38.
      I’m thinking that last year isn’t fully guaranteed, and gives the BRAVES a way out in event of a sharp decline or injury.

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      • 650 Vox O'Reasoñ January 13, 2020 at 8:12 am

        Reports say he made some refinements to his motion, which resulted in an uptick in velo and a greater spin rate. His name will surely be mentioned prominently in trade discussions. I remember hearing a few reports on him last year that indicated he was creating almost as much buzz around the Braves execs as Ian Anderson. Not quite as much, but almost.

        Speaking of Anderson, don’t forget about him. He’ll be on the ML team before 2020 is out. Bank on it.

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  392. 651 Vox O'Reasoñ January 12, 2020 at 8:23 pm

    Todd Frazier to the Rangers for 1 year at $5M. The Rangers did well. The Toddfather still has some productivity left.

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  393. 654 berigan2electricboogaloo January 12, 2020 at 11:06 pm

    remember when Luke Appling at the tender age of 75, hit a homer in an old timers game? Love it!!!!

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  394. 655 Vox O'Reasoñ January 13, 2020 at 8:33 am

    Just

    days until P&CR.

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  395. 656 Vox O'Reasoñ January 13, 2020 at 11:55 am

    It should be noted that Ender Inciarte is not present on any of the 3 rankings. I concur. He’s very middle of the road, and that’s when he’s healthy. We all express concern over a guy possibly not being on the field 3 or 4 years from now, but we’ve got a guy in the fold already that we are counting on that has had a few disabling injuries himself, most recently being limited to just 65 games last season. Maybe we need to focus a little more attention on the OF where we have an All-Star in RF, and middling player in CF, and a dubious platoon in LF.

    When I think of it this way, it almost makes me nauseous.

    Also note that Byrnes has Danny Santana on the list, but no Ender. Danny friggin’ Santana.

    Now I’m downright sick.

    Note also on those rankings that Starling Marte shows up at 6, 6, and 4 respectively. Perhaps AA is still engaged with the Pirates on a deal to bring in a clear OF upgrade. It would cost the William Contreras and Ender. I’d do that in a heartbeat. I’d even throw in AJ Minter.

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    • 657 Vox O'Reasoñ January 13, 2020 at 1:30 pm

      In hindsight, Ender’s contract would make him a difficult sale to PIT. There would have to be some other moving parts to facilitate that.

      What would make it work? Taking on Chris Archer’s big contract in return.

      A deal would probably look something like:

      Braves get:
      Starling Marte
      Chris Archer

      Pirates get:
      William Contreras
      Ender Inciarte
      minor league LHP Phil Pfeifer

      Perhaps Archer could be another in a long line of Braves reclamation projects. He’s a guy that has been an ace, so he knows how to pitch. Might be a classic change-of-scenery guy, especially going from a loser to a winner. And his fiery clubhouse presence could replace that of Josh You-know-who.

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  396. 658 Vox O'Reasoñ January 13, 2020 at 2:11 pm

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  397. 661 Vox O'Reasoñ January 13, 2020 at 2:19 pm

    Wow. Massive penalties for the ‘Stros. But it could have been much worse. If the suits at MLB determined the Astros were guilty of cheating as grounds for these penalties, then they easily could have continued along the same line of reasoning to take their World Series title away… and would have been justified in doing so.

    Still… just wow. Huge blow. Manager and GM can be replaced. But losing 1st and 2nd round picks in 2 consecutive drafts? Crushing.

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  398. 662 Gil in Mechanicsville January 13, 2020 at 3:11 pm

    Astros have parted ways with Hinch and Luhnow

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  399. 663 Vox O'Reasoñ January 13, 2020 at 3:14 pm

    No disrespect to Coppy’s abilities as a GM, but I think the Braves did OK in his replacement. And if it’s indeed true that the lifetime ban is attributed to an unwillingness to come clean, then that’s on Coppy. “Pride comes before a fall.” For the Braves, the loss of the illegally signed prospects coupled with the severe penalties in int’l signings was the long term punishment. But given a choice, I’d take that over losing 1st and 2nd round picks in the next 2 drafts.

    As for Luhnow and Hinch… I think Luhnow has the most to lose here. He’s the tainted one and his credibility has taken a hit. Hinch takes a hit too, but I think he’ll find his way back to a dugout even if not in HOU. Not so sure that Luhnow can rebound from this, at least not to a GM job.

    If I’m the Astros owner, can I retain 2 high level employees that have just been deemed responsible for giving my organization a sever black eye and that can’t contribute to my team for the entirety of the upcoming season? I don’t believe so. I expect to hear of their respective firings soon so that the team can move forward in preparing for 2020.

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  400. 666 Vox O'Reasoñ January 13, 2020 at 3:36 pm

    Random alert!!

    This never gets old…

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  401. 667 berigan2electricboogaloo January 13, 2020 at 3:54 pm

    No disrespect to Coppy’s abilities as a GM, but I think the Braves did OK in his replacement.
    it’s true, he hasn’t traded away a Noah Syndergaard type pitcher for a 40 year old knuckleballer…yet 😛
    Coppy still built most of the team we see today(and of course some great scouts) but I have been pleasantly surprised by Thoppy, I must admit.
    Coppy shoulda….copped a plea, that was dumb. Still, can’t get over how baseball still punishes people for crimes they commit, whilst the Feds…well, we all know crime still pays in D.C. even if you get fired from a high paying gig, there is always a cable network job waiting in the wings for ya. :/

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  402. 668 Vox O'Reasoñ January 13, 2020 at 3:54 pm

    Which also gives a good reference as to why a team can pay an athlete say… $100M over 4 years to help bring just 1 World Series trophy home. No names mentioned, of course.

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  403. 669 berigan2electricboogaloo January 13, 2020 at 3:59 pm

    finally, something to talk about that doesn’t involve a certain 3rd baseman! 🙂

    V, I had NO idea Danny Santana even was a regular in Texas, or had 28 HR’s! Amazing as I watched quick pitch most nights during the season….must of hit most of those in blowout games or something. It’s as If he was retired, or playing at AAA for all I knew.

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  404. 670 berigan2electricboogaloo January 13, 2020 at 4:21 pm

    V, how would you like to have a CF’er that hit 36 doubles, 21 HRs, drove in 87 RBI’s (I know, who cares about Ribbies anymore 😛 ) on a poor offensive team, in a pitchers park last year? Oh, he’s also a human highlight reel, plays in a way to make JD blush…and the team with little offense released him last year. in fact, he lead the team in RBI’s (who cares!) by 18 , and didn’t even start the year with …the Giants. I’m talking about Kevin Millar. and the Giants released him.
    I just checked, he played RF for the giants (CF is crazy there, but then again, RF might be worse) I am sure he can still play CF, he is only 31…the same age as …Starling Marte. Marte’s numbers last year? 31 doubles, 23 HRs 82 RBIs, but….his OBP is higher! .342 vs .295 for Millar. and that’s why one guy with 18 walks (and a .264 BA ) is looking for work, while another guy with 25 walks (wait, only 25???) a .295 BA and a .342 OBP, is a prized outfield “piece”
    all I know, is who’d you rather have batting 7th or 8th, Millar, or Ender?

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    • 671 Vox O'Reasoñ January 13, 2020 at 4:50 pm

      Marte’s numbers last year? 31 doubles, 23 HRs 82 RBIs, but….his OBP is higher! .342 vs .295 for Millar.

      And it’s the .295 OBP that will get Pillar a minor league deal somewhere. OBP is the darling number in the analytics driven age. a sub-.300 OBP is a kiss of death.

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  405. 672 berigan2electricboogaloo January 13, 2020 at 4:25 pm

    Keven Pillar Millar is too old to help us now 😛

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  406. 673 berigan2electricboogaloo January 13, 2020 at 4:31 pm

    Ok, misread the baseball reference page, Pillar played 129 games in CF, and 27 in RF (oh, he’s not injured like Marte often is)
    so, playing CF in the biggest CF in the game (I assume) here are some highlights from last year

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  407. 674 Vox O'Reasoñ January 13, 2020 at 5:30 pm

    Yes!!

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  408. 675 Vox O'Reasoñ January 14, 2020 at 9:38 am

    Just

    days until P&CR.

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  409. 676 Vox O'Reasoñ January 14, 2020 at 10:15 am

    And how is that supposed to happen when every professional and amateur reporter within earshot will ask those questions incessantly of every player and coach until the regular season starts (or beyond)?

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  410. 677 Vox O'Reasoñ January 14, 2020 at 11:21 am

    Yawn.

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  411. 681 berigan2electricboogaloo January 14, 2020 at 2:38 pm

    Truist or falsist….worst name of a ballpark in baseball?

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    • 682 Gil in Mechanicsville January 14, 2020 at 3:20 pm

      Like Vee said, everyone will call it the TeePee

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    • 683 Vox O'Reasoñ January 14, 2020 at 4:00 pm

      worst name of a ballpark in baseball?

      Well, all the corporate names are pretty bad. Truist Par is bad. But so is Comerica Park. Or PNC Park. Or Target Field. Or Globe Life Park in Arlington. Maybe the worst, though, is Guaranteed Rate Field in Chicago’s south side. It’s a long, long way from Comiskey Park. What’s next? FenWayfair Park?

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    • 684 Vox O'Reasoñ January 14, 2020 at 4:05 pm

      Truth is, though, SunTrust n/k/a Truist paid $170M (over 17 years) to be able to name it whatever they want. That’ll pay a pretty good player. IMO, they can call it Bite My Butt Ballpark if it allows Thoppy to pay a premium to fill a need. Any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, or actual (current) events is purely coincidental, of course.

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  412. 685 Vox O'Reasoñ January 14, 2020 at 4:15 pm

    It’s probably just me, but I kinda get the feeling that the longer the current Braves 3B hostage situation draws out, the less chance of a simple solution there is to it. I’m beginning to believe that if there was going to be an agreement between Thoppy and You-Know-Who, it would have happened already. My gut says that the Braves have made their final offer and that it doesn’t meet the criteria required by the YKH camp. And I don’t think Thoppy is going to cave.

    We should probably begin to look at the remaining options a little more seriously, both from the internal options and external options.

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  413. 686 Vox O'Reasoñ January 14, 2020 at 4:23 pm

    On one such candidate…

    Dylan A. Chase, MLBTR about a month ago: We heard this week that multiple clubs were in on {Seattle 3B Kyle Seager], although his $15MM club option for 2022 would convert to a player option if he’s traded. Seager could be open to amending that clause, perhaps in an effort to play for a contending team in 2020, but the Seattle vet is still due $37MM over the next two seasons. Seager launched 23 home runs in Seattle’s difficult hitting environment last year while slashing .239/.321/.468 (110 wRC+), which is generally in line with career averages for the 32-year-old.

    Would he be the answer at 3B and the middle of the order? Well, maybe not by himself. But coupled with an upgrade at one of the OF spots it would be a very good step in the right direction. And it wouldn’t block Austin Riley.

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    • 687 Vox O'Reasoñ January 14, 2020 at 4:32 pm

      Speaking of an OF upgrade, the more I think about the fact that 2/3 of our current OF will likely be batting in the bottom of the lineup, the more I am convinced we have to make an upgrade out there as well. I am starting to believe that LF might actually be more of a question mark than 3B. At least we have some internal options for 3B. In a straight R/L platoon in LF, Nick Markakis will still get 100+ starts. And I’m not sure Ender can make 100+ starts. And if he goes down – again – who plays behind him? Ronald? And if that is the case, who slides into RF? More Nick?

      Folks, we have trouble right here in River City. And that starts with “T” and that rhymes with “D” and that stands for DA… NG!! Maybe we need to focus a little more on that situation.

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  414. 689 Vox O'Reasoñ January 14, 2020 at 5:23 pm

    Player A: .277/.340/.462, 12 HR, 36 2B, 9 3B, 8 SB
    Player B: .265/.325/.380, 10 HR, 27 2B, 6 3B, 8 SB

    Player A is Cristian Pache in a combined 104 games at AA and 26 games at AAA in 2019. Player B is Ender in 2018, since he only played in 65 games last year… and in those 65 games he slashed .246/.343/.397.

    Plus Ender is due $7.7M in 2020, $8.7M in 2021, and has a $9M option for 2022 which will never be exercised in ATL.

    I’d just about rather take my chances with Pache to start the year this season. He’s better defensively and will bat in the same #8 slot that Ender is destined for. I don’t believe he’d be a downgrade in the least, and with the high demand and low supply of CF in the market this offseason, Ender could be moved. Maybe to Seattle. Heck, I’d even take their projected starter, Mallex Smith, back in the deal. He’d be OK off the bench.

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  415. 690 Vox O'Reasoñ January 14, 2020 at 7:54 pm

    And there it is. Can we move forward now?

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  416. 691 Vox O'Reasoñ January 14, 2020 at 7:58 pm

    Now that that’s done, let’s concentrate on LF. Joc Pederson will work. Roll with Riley/Camargo at 3B and fix the OF with a cleanup bat.

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  417. 692 berigan2electricboogaloo January 14, 2020 at 8:38 pm

    well crap…guess the braves were cheap above all else. when FF walks 150 times this year….hopefully A.A. has some trick to pull out of his hat…
    V, not exactly sure, did you mean Joc would be the cleanup bat? or the guy in CF and to then get another OF bat?
    Joc Pederson had ….49 AB’s against lefties last year…a platoon guy in other words. A guy who hit .270 in L.A with 24 HR’s …and hit .230 with 12 HR’s on the road… 36 HR’s 74 RBI’s. Lots of solo homers in other words…
    oh, and IF he was the cleanup guy, he would not bat against lefties, so who bats behind F.F. those days?

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  418. 693 Vox O'Reasoñ January 14, 2020 at 8:44 pm

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  419. 694 Vox O'Reasoñ January 14, 2020 at 8:44 pm

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  420. 695 Vox O'Reasoñ January 14, 2020 at 8:45 pm

    As long as he’s not in DC and that we address the OF instead, then OK.

    Bringer of Purple Rain

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  421. 696 Gil in Mechanicsville January 14, 2020 at 8:55 pm

    Dang Vee, you beat me to the pun…

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  422. 697 Gil in Mechanicsville January 14, 2020 at 8:57 pm

    Donaldson singing with the Twinkies is why you always have to have a plan B

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  423. 698 berigan2electricboogaloo January 14, 2020 at 9:20 pm

    The Atlanta #Braves badly wanted Donaldson, but stuck by their guns, and refused to offer the $100 million that Donaldson was seeking.

    uh-huh…BADLY wanted him, but…you know….not enough to offer him even 92 Million over 4 years.

    sigh…
    this pisses me off, sorry….V, yes, at least it wasn’t DC but, this was the EASIEST way to make this team at least as good as last year, now??? we are a nice team, with a decent chance at the W.C, if there aren’t many injuries.
    I know, I know…there’s a chance to trade for someone or sign a free agent…but, that’s not that likely (signing a F.A. that is) is it? Can’t give up a precious, what..2nd round pick?
    sign Nicholas Castellanos (he of 104 doubles in the past 2 years) I will feel a lot better. Get a 2nd rate 3rd baseman from Seattle (better than Riley or Camargo how? and who will we have to trade to get said 2nd rater?) and we are still W.C. ready. 23 HR 63 RBIs 232 BA be still my beating heart!
    Mitch Haniger was terrible last year, injured its true, but… in 246 AB’s 15 HR’s 32 RBIs .220 BA, .314 OBP. We really want that????

    Get to work A.A. show us being cheap above all else, won’t hurt the 2020 Braves….

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    • 699 Vox O'Reasoñ January 14, 2020 at 9:47 pm

      this pisses me off, sorry….V

      Perfectly fine. I get it. It was the easy fix. But sometimes the easy way out isn’t the best way out. And if that price point that the Twins got him at was a good one, there would have been more teams in on it. But obviously a vast majority of the guys who get paid to make such evaluations thought it was too high. I’ll defer to them.

      Something else to consider, which I heard brought up a time or two. Freddie’s deal is up in 2 more years. If owing $25M a year to Donaldson in 2022 and 2023 would have been an impediment to being able to extend Freddie, then I’ll take Freddie for the win Bob.

      Once the emotion passes, I think cooler heads will agree that we have seen good play and potential out of both Camargo and Riley. I can’t say the same for Nick of late or Ender of late. And neither one of those guys are going to improve. They are past that point. So we can’t pretend that those aren’t holes in the lineup as well.

      Ber, you said “Joc Pederson had ….49 AB’s against lefties last year…a platoon guy in other words.”. Fine. He still hit 36 bombs. I’ll platoon him with Duvall instead of Nick and I’m light years ahead of where I was.

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  424. 700 Vox O'Reasoñ January 14, 2020 at 9:23 pm

    Yes. And as I stated earlier today, that was always the better option anyway given the presence of both Camargo and Riley. Nobody really wants to see the Duvall/Markakis platoon all year. And I’ve not tried to hide my feelings about Ender.

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  425. 701 Vox O'Reasoñ January 14, 2020 at 10:23 pm

    Get to work A.A. show us being cheap above all else, won’t hurt the 2020 Braves

    This seems to be the prevailing sentiment tonight. Funny thing, though… the team is already committed to the highest payroll in team history even before making any more moves. They came out of the gate and gave the best FA reliever Will Smith $40M for 3 years. They followed that by re-signing Darren O’Day for $2.75M. Then they brought back Chris Martin for 2 years and $14M and will enter 2020 with one of the best bullpens in the NL because Thoppy went shopping in the big boy stores and brought home the bacon. They followed those moves by filling their catching needs for the next 2 years by inking Travis d’Arnaud, widely considered the 2nd best catcher on the market, for $16M. And they rounded out their FA spending (thus far) by giving $18M to Cole Hamels, who even at his age was one of the top starters on the FA market. I suppose technically we should count the $4M they gave out to each of Flow and Nick, too.

    Thus the cheap Braves have doled out $98.75M just in new free agent spending alone this offseason.

    For perspective, the Braves have thus far committed $131,814,375 (according to SpoTrac) in 2020 salaries and must still address more holes before the dust settles, so that figure is likely to still rise. As of today, league average is $125,616,691. So while AA might be stubborn or might be inflexible or many other adjectives we can come up with, cheap isn’t one of them.

    Donaldson singing with the Twinkies is why you always have to have a plan B

    Plus, I have suspicion that Donaldson may not have been Plan A anyway. Oh, I’m sure they had the proverbial offer on the table, and would have liked for him to return on their terms, but I would be willing to bet that AA had a good sense of whether or not it was plausible that Josh would ever take it. I doubt he was caught off guard by the miss. I’ve always felt there would be a trade coming anyway. There are too many of our vaunted (and envied) pitching prospects at the highest levels to just let them muddle around waiting for an opening in Atlanta. You simply cannot have an 8 man rotation at AAA. There will be a trade that catches us all off guard and current holes will be filled. The suits at SunTrust Park, uh… er, Truist Park really do know what they’re doing. They’ve proven it since Thoppy stepped through the doors. He’s earned the benefit of our doubt.

    So please don’t lose sleep tonight because you think the team is being cheap. It’s simply not true.

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  426. 702 Vox O'Reasoñ January 15, 2020 at 8:20 am

    DO’B: Just an FYI: Starling Marte, former All-Star & 2-time Gold Glove OF, had 43 HR and 60 SB in 277 games during 2018-2019, hit .295 w/ .342 OBP in ’19, and is owed a modest $11.5M in 2020, with a $12.5M team option in ‘21 that has a $1M buyout. Just sayin’

    Obviously he would not replace JD’s bat by himself, but he’d be a darn good upgrade in our OF. There have been rumors of the Pirates trading him since the Hot Stove was lit. It has also been fairly well documented that the Bucs want a young catcher back in a deal. Word this week says one reason they haven’t dealt him yet is that they really love William Contreras and are giving ATL time to get an offer together. But value for value, a 1 for 1 deal might get that done.

    It would be a nice starting place to fix the OF.

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  427. 703 Vox O'Reasoñ January 15, 2020 at 9:14 am

    The conspiracy theorist in me wonders if the recent publicity and rise in awareness of up-and-coming Braves prospect Tucker Davidson is a well timed orchestration. I’m sure his name will now become popular in trade speculation. And it should…. he’s a valuable asset.

    I fully expect the rumor mill to explode with Braves prospects in the days to come. Expect to hear both Kyle Wright and Bryse Wilson, although I don’t think AA would deal both. One of them is certainly a possibility in the right deal. And I’m sure 29 other GMs will start their conversations with Ian Anderson, but he’s not going anywhere. Neither is Kyle Muller. And for that matter, neither is Cristian Pache. Those 3 might be the only untouchables in the minor league system, though. Drew Waters is just a tick below that, but he could be included if the return was a big name. Also figure William Contreras to be a popular name. Shea Langeliers has jumped him in the Braves prospect list, and they’re on about the same time track. Langeliers is a more refined product having 3 years of top tier college competition under his belt. He’s likely to step in at the end of Travis d’Arnaud’s 2 year deal. He might even be TDA’s backup next year. Oops, I got distracted.

    I repeat… some of these guys will be traded in the upcoming weeks. Maybe a familiar name from the ML roster too. It’s all about dealing from an area of strength to fill an area of need…

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  428. 704 Gil in Mechanicsville January 15, 2020 at 9:25 am

    I still have not discounted either Riley or Camargo being hurt last season last season. Like Freddie and his ailing elbow, it doesn’t take a lot to get one off their game.

    I am looking forward to watching whoever the Braves put on the field this season. It is my belief the pitching staff will be deeper and stronger, especially the relief corp.

    Perhaps with Acuna Jr. being a year older and more mature, he would be ready to assume the clean up spot and allow Pache to take over batting lead-off. Oh, wait, too soon? Will happen by mid season…

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  429. 705 Vox O'Reasoñ January 15, 2020 at 9:32 am

    I read this statement this morning:

    “Perhaps the guy on the current roster most affected by Donaldson’s departure is Adam Duvall.”

    I think he’s right. I think the OF is the obvious place to make noise now. Duvall has not cemented his status in the last couple of years. It’s tenuous at best.

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  430. 706 Vox O'Reasoñ January 15, 2020 at 10:38 am

    Oh yeah… almost forgot.

    Just

    days until P&CR.

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  431. 707 Vox O'Reasoñ January 15, 2020 at 10:44 am

    More numbers on Starling Marté, courtesy of DO’B:

    Marté has a career .330 average and .879 OPS in 495 plate appearances at cleanup spot.

    Over past two seasons, Starling Marté had 6.6 bWAR to Kris Bryant’s 5.5.

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  432. 708 Vox O'Reasoñ January 15, 2020 at 10:54 am

    In my mind, Starling Marté just makes the most sense for this team now. Even if you keep Ender in the fold, Marté is at least as good if not better in CF, and his bat is a major upgrade over Duvall and Markakis. And if he replaces Ender, then it’s a no-brainer.

    I’m telling you, this lineup is too RH heavy even if we do need a RH power bat behind Freddie. If we could work out a deal for Marté, then a LH bat like Joc Pederson would help balance the lineup. And there would be some serious thunder from 1 to 5 with the promise of Riley bringing his big stick to #6 at some point.

    What I really hate is that we missed out on FA Corey Dickerson. I mentioned his name early in the Hot Stove season as a replacement for Kakes and possible platoon partner for Duvall. That’s a platoon I could live with in LF. Too late now. He’s in Miami,

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    • 709 Gil in Mechanicsville January 15, 2020 at 11:22 am

      I am officially going on the record that Miami will win at least 70 games this season. the is 13 games other teams won’t pad their stats with in 2020

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  433. 710 Vox O'Reasoñ January 15, 2020 at 11:17 am

    I have spent a little time this morning reading about Nick Castellanos’ defense. That seems to be the big albatross on his back and likely the primary reason he’s still a FA. But what I’ve read is actually kind of interesting. Many of his negative defensive numbers came from when he was at 3B or RF. He’s actually only been in LF for a relatively short time, gaining defensive improvement with increased experience.

    Now I’m a realist. He’s never going to be a Gold Glover, but perhaps next to a guy that can cover some ground – Inciarte, Marte, or Pache – he could be passable. Hey… he wouldn’t be worse than Ryan Klesko, right? And that turned out pretty good.

    And the offense… .289/.337/.525, 27 HR, 73 RBI. Comes pretty close to replacing JD’s production at almost half the price.

    The projected $$ isn’t unreasonable, and less than Donaldson. But the length of contract again becomes an issue. MLBTR predicts 4 years / $58M. And to be clear, that’s a heckuva lot less of a commitment than $100M. But what happens when Drew Waters is ready in 2 years? Well… again the same DH argument comes into play. I know it’s not a certainty, but it sure does look likely that the NL will adopt the DH maybe as early as 2021. And if not, then he’ll only be 29 in 2022 and a prime trade candidate.

    Maybe add his thunderstick behind Freddie? I can think of worse.

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  434. 711 Vox O'Reasoñ January 15, 2020 at 11:21 am

    CORRECTION:

    I meant to say: but it sure does look likely that the NL will adopt the DH maybe as early as 2022

    … and should have clarified that statement by saying that I believe it will come with the next CBA, of which the current one expires after 2021.

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  435. 712 Gil in Mechanicsville January 15, 2020 at 11:26 am

    I will say this, I sure wish they had a DH when I played as a teenager. My throwing are always was suspect even before my elbow crapped out.

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  436. 713 Vox O'Reasoñ January 15, 2020 at 11:37 am

    IMO, a trade for Nolan Arenado is very far fetched and very unlikely. I don’t think the Rockies will really trade him unless they are just blown away by a Teixeirian trade package. No way Thoppy capitulates to that, and probably not anyone else either.

    Also IMO, a trade for Kris Bryant is equally as unlikely. Too many issues to overcome, the first of which is the question of service time and team controlability. Even if he loses his grievance, he’s still a goner in 2 years (Boras client). Second, he’ll cost a boatload of prospects for those possible 2 years before leaving the Braves high and dry for greener pastures. Third, his defense at 3B is a major step back from JD. He’s average at best. Even as a LF he’s just average. If I’m accepting average defense, I’ll keep my boatload of prospects and sign Castellanos.

    The only other 3B trade candidate that immediately comes to mind is the Mariners’ Kyle Seager. He’d be OK, but not worth the money he’s still owed.

    I’d much rather just play our own guys at 3B and fix the OF. Or have I said that already? 😉

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  437. 714 Vox O'Reasoñ January 15, 2020 at 4:20 pm

    A very reasonable “take” on Plan B… that is if JD was actually Plan A. I’m not convinced he was. But I like what this guy says. Maybe because it’s essentially what I’ve been saying. Yeah, that is probably why.

    3 easy and realistic trade options for Atlanta Braves with Josh Donaldson gone

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  438. 715 Vox O'Reasoñ January 15, 2020 at 4:42 pm

    The Braves did make a minor league signing today, but it doesn’t warrant much discussion. Just an extra guy to compete in camp for a bench spot. Another switch-hitting utilityman. Yangervis Solarte. ’nuff said.

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  439. 716 berigan2electricboogaloo January 15, 2020 at 7:34 pm

    V, I really appreciate your LOVE of the braves, your passion for the team…and that on this here pleasant lil’ corner of the web, that we can respectfully agree to disagree! 🙂
    so….from my viewpoint is that the braves are a much weaker team than we were last year, offensively speaking. A Sterling Marte alone, just isn’t gonna do it. 2018, 20 HR’s 2019, 23 HR’s his career high. And he’s forever injured. 2013, 135 games, 2014, 135 games. 2015, 153 Games, his career high. 2016 , 129 games. 2017, 77 games (busted for steroids, or whatever) 2018 , 145 games, 2019, 132 games. at 31 he refuses to walk. only 25 walks last year! J.D. 100 walks! (and 37 HR’s to Marte’s 23) J.D. grinds out A’B’s, wears down pitchers. Pitchers, after he got hot, were not walking FF to get to JD. They WILL walk FF all day long to get to a hacker with little power.
    I am only ok with trading for him if he’s replacing Ender, not Josh.

    and V, as for not wanting J.D. then why did it take so long for J.D. to sign? I am sure they BADLY wanted him, but for fewer years, and money….

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  440. 717 Gordon Lawrence January 15, 2020 at 11:27 pm

    GIL:
    I’m afraid I have to renege on our lunch date tomorrow.
    My wife has a colonoscopy scheduled for in the morning.
    I have to drive her home, and if there should be a complication or additional surgery required, I’ll be stuck at the hospital.
    Sorry my friend.

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  441. 719 Gil in Mechanicsville January 16, 2020 at 2:52 am

    Good morning folks, 2:30 AM here as my sleep cycle is totally screwed up now. So. I may as well ponder on the future of the Braves infield.

    1) Is it possible that Austin Riley is more the player he was the first 6 weeks than the last six weeks of the season.
    2) Anyone else remember when Anthony Rendon was an emergency replacement for Ryan Zimmerman?
    3) Can we please get some spring training games done so we can get a grasp of the real situation?
    4) Will Shane Greene win his arbitration case? Does $500K really make a huge difference? Stay tuned for that one.
    5) What was the real difference with Johan Camago before and after he was sent down to Triple A in September? Which player is the real deal? Same could be said of Adam DuVal.
    6) Danny Santana? Really? One of the best centerfielders in the game? Again, getting an opportunity to play everyday or just finally growing up? Tough call.

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  442. 720 berigan2electricboogaloo January 16, 2020 at 3:39 am

    Gee Gil, I have NO idea what it is like to go to bed (really early for me, 9:30) then wake up in the middle of the night (well, earlier than that) with no chance to go back to sleep! 😉

    Yeah, it’s amazing how quick fans and a team can cool on a guy like Austin Riley.
    Riley will be 23 in April.
    last year, in 80 games, 18 HR’s 49 RBI’s .229 BA. (also hit 15 HR’s in 47 games in the minors) so a grand total of 33 HR’s in 127 games. Another reason WAR is a joke, 0.1 Well, he was a big part of the reason we won a lot in May and June (combined 14 HR’s and 37 RBI’s) his 59 AB’s in May were insane! 7 HR’s 20 RBI’s and a .356 BA. It was only part of a month, but what rookie takes off like that?…he showed, til the league found his weaknesses, he could hit up here. It’s just a matter of getting completely healthy, and getting his confidence back. I mean,a 22 year old that hits a combined 29 HR’s by the end of June is not a guy you give up on is it?
    But, he can’t be the cleanup hitter no matter what, out of spring training. Now, lets compare his first season to…Mike Schmidt’s first year, at the age of 23. 132 games, 18 HR’s 52 RBI’s and a …196 BA. 136 strikeouts back when guys didn’t strike out like they do today. Imagine if the phils had traded him away after that terrible rookie year? Am I saying Riley will be the next Mike Schmidt? Yes, he will! 😛 Ok, perhaps not, but he does have crazy power . And I know, he may have to get hot again at AAA to get a chance here again….

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  443. 721 Vox O'Reasoñ January 16, 2020 at 8:31 am

    Yeah, it’s amazing how quick fans and a team can cool on a guy like Austin Riley.

    Same can be said for Johan Camargo.

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  444. 722 Vox O'Reasoñ January 16, 2020 at 8:48 am

    V, I really appreciate your LOVE of the braves, your passion for the team

    All of that is true. It’s also true that it’s still just the middle of January. I believe that Thoppy does deserve the benefit of the doubt. And whether or not Donaldson was Plan A or Plan B doesn’t matter. There is no way a high ranking executive, a very well respected one at that, doesn’t have Plan B, C, D, etc. The Braves season has not been flushed down the toilet on January 15. I mean, who do you think we are… the Mets?

    I’ll step out on a limb this morning and say that Thoppy will make a major trade, and it will involve names that none of us has even discussed. Well, it’s possible we’ve discussed them because we’ve discussed just about everyone here over the last few weeks, but you know what I mean. And it might even send away a familiar name that stuns us all.

    Mark it in the archives.

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  445. 723 Vox O'Reasoñ January 16, 2020 at 9:05 am

    Sterling Marte alone, just isn’t gonna do it.

    On that we agree. Donaldson has a special bat. There are not many bats that alone would replace his production. That’s why we cannot just sit by and think that DuKakis and Inciarte are acceptable in the OF. They’re not. You might can cover one of them up if you have a bat like Donaldson’s, but now they are more exposed.

    And Starling Marte is a star. Just because he plays in Pittsburgh and doesn’t get the press doesn’t change that. Marte is a game changing player. Looking at his career in total, he’s a career .287 hitter with a .342 OBP, who hit 23 HR last season. He’s a career 29 WAR player who was a 3 WAR player last season. And he comes into 2020 at a very reasonable price of $11.5M allowing Thoppy to make additional impact moves. His 2 year remaining commitment lines up perfectly with our young OF prospects.

    And look at this. Thoppy wouldn’t go the full 4 year $100M guarantee on Donaldson, but he had to have at least been able to provide $23M for this season. By all reports, it was the length of the offer that kept JD from returning to ATL, not the dollars. That means the $$ is still there to make 2 impact moves if one of them is Marte.

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  446. 724 Vox O'Reasoñ January 16, 2020 at 9:24 am

    JJ Cooper of Baseball America is reporting that the Braves high-A team, the Florida Fire Frogs, will be playing in the Braves’ new North Port facility this season.

    On the surface, it seems to make alot of sense from a geographical standpoint. After all, the Fire Frogs’ old home, Osceola County Stadium in Kissimmee, is just around the corner from the old Braves spring facility at Champions Park in Disney’s Wide World of Sports.

    But apparently this move is driven by the Fire Frogs losing Osceola County Stadium as their home. The Fire Frogs owners sold (for cash) their rights to use the stadium… leaving the Fire Frogs homeless.

    Had anyone heard about this before? I had not, and I try to keep up with such things.

    Anyway, there is still a conflict with them playing in North Port because of existing territorial rights of nearby Port Charlotte. But it has been approved for 2020, if only for 2020. As an aside, the Fire Frogs is one of the teams on MLB’s hit list of minor league teams anyway. So unless MiLB is successful in stopping the reduction and streamlining of minor league teams, it will resolve itself soon anyway.

    There is a whole big narrative and discussion to be made with this proposed MiLB contraction of teams. We’ll have to discuss it at some point. Suffice to say that I don’t like it. But we’ll discuss it at length later on…

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    • 725 Vox O'Reasoñ January 16, 2020 at 9:28 am

      Hmmm… apparently the new facility in North Point is not designed for full season inhabitants. It doesn’t even have a proper clubhouse for the teams.

      Maybe the worst thing I read in Cooper’s article is this fact: In 2020, [the Fire Frogs] averaged only 327 fans per game. The club’s total attendance of 19,615 was one of the lowest attendance figures of the 21st century in minor league baseball.

      Ouch. Maybe that’s why they are on MLB’s hit list.

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  447. 726 Gil in Mechanicsville January 16, 2020 at 11:04 am

    question, who really wants to watch minor league baseball when it is 95 degrees and humidity 70%? Mid summer in the tropics is brutal… The Caribbean is actually pretty nice in the summer but Florida ain’t the Caribbean.

    327 per game? Sounds a lot like the Australian Club Baseball figures.

    Okie Dookie then, time to do some chores.

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    • 727 Vox O'Reasoñ January 16, 2020 at 11:33 am

      Let”s move them to the historic Chattanooga Lookouts franchise. That minor league team has been around since 1906.

      Oh wait… they’re also on the hit list. 🙄

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  448. 728 Vox O'Reasoñ January 16, 2020 at 11:40 am

    Just

    days until P&CR.

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  449. 729 Vox O'Reasoñ January 16, 2020 at 1:19 pm

    Going back to my rant on the contraction of minor league teams, the full story is described in the link below, with plenty of embedded links to find out as much additional information as you desire.

    MiLB Contraction Talks in Crucial Phase as 2020 Begins

    I get both sides of the argument. MLB argues that the current system features a wide array of teams spread around the nation creating a system that is inefficient and costly to maintain. They also argue hat there is redundancy in the way many teams structure their minor league affiliates.

    From MiLB’s perspective, they show the human aspect of the system, pointing out the importance of many of these teams to their communities. For instance, as I mentioned in a previous post, the Chattanooga Lookouts is a franchise that’s been in existence since 1906. I cannot even fathom a proposal that endorses eliminating that team. Yet they are on the list.

    I believe there is plenty of room for compromise in this disagreement. I think you can realign the leagues and perhaps even reallocate the affiliates without eliminating some of the historic franchises that are proposed. At the same time, does the Florida Fire Frogs, who averaged 327 fans per game in 2019, need to be propped up?

    If I have researched properly, there are currently about 160 minor league teams for 30 major league franchises. We can all do that math… it’s over 5 affiliates per team. I don’t see 5 teams as unreasonable. But when I look at the Braves, they actually have 6 affiliates. Do they need that many?

    These affiliates are:

    Gwinnett Stripers = AAA (International League)
    Mississippi Braves = AA (Southern League)
    Florida Fire Frogs = A Advanced (Florida State League)
    Rome Braves = A (South Atlantic League)
    Danville Braves = Rookie League Advanced (Appalachian League)
    GCL Braves = Rookie League (Gulf Coast League)

    Both the Florida Fire Frogs and the Danville Braves are on MLBs hit list. In a nutshell, MLB wants to do away with 2 separate Rookie levels and 2 separate A levels. It’s kind of hard to argue that.

    But I think you can find compromise by eliminating just 1 team, the second rookie level, and reallocating where the other teams play. For instance, do the Gwinnett (GA) Stripers need to travel to Syracuse, NY to play games?

    Also, I think you can contract the woeful Florida Fire Frogs, but not the historic Chattanooga Lookouts… who would make a great location for the Braves AA affiliate being only a couple of hours north on I-75 from Truist Park. Why did we stick that team out in Mississippi in the first place? I have no idea. They were previously in Greenville, SC, just about an hour north from me.

    My point is this… simply look for a compromise and take away the excess, but not blindly. And keep the franchises that have been around for a while. I can look at my own Braves and remember that they constructed a brand new facility in Pearl, MS just 15 years ago. Prior to that there was nothing in that community. Why would you choose to keep that team over the Chattanooga Lookouts? Makes no real sense.

    Look, I know that common sense is anything but common in the new age of the headline mentality. But sometimes you really do need to take a step back and look at the big picture.

    I will make a trip to see the Chattanooga Lookouts play a game in 2020. It may be my last chance to do so.

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  450. 731 Vox O'Reasoñ January 16, 2020 at 1:30 pm

    Here is a list of the Atlanta Braves minor league affiliates including the affiliate history.

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  451. 732 Vox O'Reasoñ January 16, 2020 at 1:32 pm

    They should have let him stay as Mets manager as his punishment…

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  452. 734 Gordon Lawrence January 16, 2020 at 2:39 pm

    WIL SMITH
    TRAVIS D’ARNAUD
    MIKE MOUSTAKIS
    The BRAVES were right on my train track to 2020, but switched off onto a siding and missed MOOSE.
    Now we’re left stranded on the siding as the DONALDSON express roars by on the way to the northland.
    What’s a BRAVES fan to do?

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  453. 735 Vox O'Reasoñ January 16, 2020 at 6:19 pm

    Very important piece of the puzzle.

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  454. 736 Gil in Mechanicsville January 16, 2020 at 7:02 pm

    Hey guys, well Vee, you beat me to the Hechavarria story again. I was five minutes slow… 🙂

    Fredricksburg VA was building a new minor league stadium, I think the Nats are moving their affiliate from Woodbridge.

    The Braves had their Triple A team in Richmond for a really long time, now they are the AA outpost for the SF Giants. Does that make sense for the Giants? Maybe it is all ploy to squeeze municipalities out of more welfare??? Oh well.

    Vee, the International League once was spread from Montreal to Havana. That is a really long bus ride:) Damp too….

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  455. 737 Vox O'Reasoñ January 16, 2020 at 7:29 pm

    Unless I’m mistaken, Hechy takes up the last open 40-man spot. The impending OF additions(s) will need a corresponding roster move. Of course, trades often take care of that.

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  456. 741 Gil in Mechanicsville January 16, 2020 at 9:14 pm

    Word Press can be very quirky…

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  457. 742 Gil in Mechanicsville January 16, 2020 at 9:20 pm

    The Braves have taken care of their needs with the back up infielder spot. Good to have 26 man roster this season. Now, the last twp moves will be a bat (somewhere in the field and maybe a pitcher) A couple of players off the 40 man roster will be traded maybe… Does that sound like a definitive statement?

    To be sure, Someone will be on the DL when the season starts.

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  458. 743 Vox O'Reasoñ January 17, 2020 at 8:03 am

    A couple of players off the 40 man roster will be traded maybe… Does that sound like a definitive statement?

    It’s gonna happen. At least 1 OF spot will be addressed. Maybe 2.

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  459. 744 Vox O'Reasoñ January 17, 2020 at 8:30 am

    If it were up to me, this would be my everyday 8 going into 2020…

    Ronald Acuña, Jr., RF (R)
    Ozzie Albies, 2B (S)
    Freddie Freeman, 1B (L)
    Starling Marte, CF (R)
    Joc Pederson, LF (L)
    Travis d’Arnaud, C (R)
    Johan Camargo, 3B (S)
    Dansby Swanson, SS (R)

    If your concern is that Pederson is just a platoon player base on his splits, then I’ll answer with this. OK. I’ll play along and allow Duvall to start against lefties. But understand this… Joc was pretty much a platoon player last year in the Dodgers’ loaded OF and still appeared in 149 games, slashed .249/.339/.538 w/ 36 HR, 74 RBI and 83 runs scored. I’ll take those numbers in a platoon role. You won’t get them from Nick Markakis.

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    • 745 Vox O'Reasoñ January 17, 2020 at 8:36 am

      Just thinking out loud…

      I wonder if at this point in the development of both Ronald and Ozzie, would it be better to flip them at the top of the order? I love having Ronald bat leadoff because that means my best hitter is guaranteed to get the most AB’s in the game. But there cannot be that much difference in chances from #1 to #2, and having Ozzie in front of RAJ might mean an uptick in RBI for the slugger. After all, for every exciting leadoff HR Ronald hit last season, all were just solo shots.

      Just a thought…

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    • 746 Vox O'Reasoñ January 17, 2020 at 8:45 am

      Also, for the purpose of figuring out how players would share platoon responsibilities, this is a breakdown of pitchers faced by Braves hitters last season:

      vs. LH: 1277
      vs. RH: 4283

      The disparity of games against RH pitchers means that Nick Markakis would still get close to 75% (121 games) of the starts if he remains part of a platoon with Duvall. That is unacceptable in 2020.

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  460. 747 Vox O'Reasoñ January 17, 2020 at 9:07 am

    Just for clarity, Joc Pederson is currently in arb limbo, having filed for $9.5M while the Dodgers filed $7.5M, so they’re a good ways apart heading to a hearing. The Dodgers also have OF AJ Pollock, Cody Bellinger, Chris Taylor, Enrique Hernandez, Matt Beatty, and Alex Verdugo all vying for playing time… and this doesn’t count highly touted Gavin Lux who is fairly close to MLB ready himself. The Dodgers are also hovering right around the luxury tax line, even before addressing their remaining needs – most specifically their bullpen.

    I think we could certainly make a match here! I’d be willing to bet that Bryse Wilson and AJ Minter would get a deal done.

    Such a trade would give the Dodgers a significant salary relief as well as address their bullpen. And it would certainly boost our offense (and defense) while not affecting the core of our pitching staff. Win / win.

    And if you also consider my other desire of Starling Marte in CF, the Braves could potentially trot out 3 CF behind their young pitching staff. Think that might be important?

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    • 748 Vox O'Reasoñ January 17, 2020 at 9:11 am

      I should have been more clear in the above para that I lumped Gavin Lux into that mix not as an OF, because he’s a middle IF. But his earning the starting job at 2B means that Enrique Hernandez will be relegated to more OF time.

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  461. 749 Vox O'Reasoñ January 17, 2020 at 10:29 am

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha…

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  462. 750 Gil in Mechanicsville January 17, 2020 at 11:04 am

    Sign stealing has evolved into an art form IMO.

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  463. 751 Gil in Mechanicsville January 17, 2020 at 11:11 am

    Sadly, their World Series victory will be forever tainted. It is just as likely the other team(s) was/were trying to steal signs too. It has always been part of the game. Like picking up signs to prevent stealing a base.

    Move on folks.

    Now, what else we got?

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  464. 752 Vox O'Reasoñ January 17, 2020 at 11:45 am

    This is awesome…

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  465. 753 Vox O'Reasoñ January 17, 2020 at 11:55 am

    If you’ll recall, he had bulked up a little heading into last year’s camp. That didn’t work out too well for him. Maybe he’s back to his best fighting weight.

    Count me in the camp that believes he can give us a repeat of 2018 production until Austin Riley is ready to take the job full time.

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    • 754 Vox O'Reasoñ January 17, 2020 at 12:07 pm

      If you’ve got Instagram and can see the videos of his workout, it’s pretty impressive. Glad he’s working hard and getting ready to hit the road running in mid-Feb. I know he’s not the only one. I’m starting to get a little excited.

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    • 755 Vox O'Reasoñ January 17, 2020 at 12:55 pm

      Johan in 2018: 134 games, .272/.349/.457, 19 HR, 76 RBI
      Johan in 2019: yuck

      He’s not the first baseball player to bulk up and find that it adversely affects his game. Glad to see him back to his natural “frame”. He likely lost flexibility and bat whip last year.

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  466. 756 Vox O'Reasoñ January 17, 2020 at 1:25 pm

    Heading into the offseason, the Braves had a checklist of needs that included the following:

    Starting pitcher ✔
    Catcher ✔
    Cleanup hitter
    Strengthen bullpen ✔
    Backup SS ✔

    It looks like AA has now checked off all but the cleanup hitter. I suppose that was never specifically defined as a 3B, although re-signing JD seemed like the easy fix. I still think Thoppy made the right call to not match the numbers Minnie gave him. Thankfully the presence of Camargo and Riley allow the Braves to expand their search beyond just one position. Alex can find his hitter in LF, CF or 3B. That makes his job a little easier, IMO. But I digress. The point here is that with the Hechy signing behind him, AA should now be able to focus all his attention on that final item on the list. And I have no doubt that he’s working hard to fill it.

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  467. 757 Gil in Mechanicsville January 17, 2020 at 1:48 pm

    If each major league club is able to pare 2 minor league clubs off their organization, that is 50 or so players with no place to go. Times 30, that is 1500 ballplayers in limbo. That is a lot of folks wandering around in the wilderness…

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    • 758 Vox O'Reasoñ January 17, 2020 at 2:41 pm

      Theoretically, and MLB’s stated vision, the axed affiliates would form an independent league where the “bubble” players can still establish themselves. Of course, in that format MLB doesn’t have to invest money in them.

      It’s always about the Benjamins.

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  468. 760 Vox O'Reasoñ January 17, 2020 at 4:27 pm

    Lest I forget…

    Just

    days until P&CR.

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  469. 761 Vox O'Reasoñ January 17, 2020 at 5:28 pm

    Nugget for today…

    Don’t use an inkpen when writing Sean Newcomb’s name down for the #5 spot in the rotation. There are a couple of reasons why. First, the bullpen might be short on quality LH’s if Newk makes the rotation. Once you get by stud Will Smith, who’s left? AJ Minter? Grant Dayton? Yowser. The Braves have said they’d give Newk a chance to start again (at his request), but come April I won’t be surprised to see him back in the pen. Second, don’t sleep on Kyle Wright. He’s had more than a year to ripen at AAA. He’s always had the “stuff” to make The Show, but like most young pitchers, he hasn’t been able to consistently harness his control. There is evidence of that all through the 2019 campaign. Take last August for instance. In that month, he made 5 starts, and had a pretty nice ERA of 3.10. He also averaged 10.39 K/9 over those starts. Nice, right? Well… he also averaged 2.41 walks per 9 IP as well. But in September, something clicked. He made 3 starts in the season’s final month, again sporting a sparkly 3.00 ERA, but the K’s went up to 12 per 9 IP. Nice! And even better, he didn’t walk a single batter in those 3 starts. It’s a shame the season ended there for him as he surely appeared to have turned a corner. Rest assured if he shows he has conquered his control issues in Spring Training, he’ll be the one with the inside track to the #5 rotation spot to open the 2020 season.

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  470. 762 Carolina Lady January 19, 2020 at 2:37 pm

    My favorite tweet:

    Alex Anthopoulo$
    @AAnthopoulos
    ·
    20h
    The year is 3000. All human life has been extinct for well over 200 years. Well, all but Nick Markakis. He has withstood the six world wars, and remains at his cleanup hitting job to this day.
    @Braves#chopon

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  471. 763 Carolina Lady January 19, 2020 at 2:39 pm

    My apologies for not being able to get the countdowns updated, guys. Been dealing with some health issues here but I think things are getting better. I promise I’ll be back on the job as soon as I can! Thanks for keeping everything in forward motion!!

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  472. 765 Vox O'Reasoñ January 20, 2020 at 10:06 am

    Just

    days until P&CR.

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  473. 766 Gil in Mechanicsville January 20, 2020 at 11:07 am

    Ditto.. What Vee said…

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  474. 767 Gil in Mechanicsville January 20, 2020 at 5:26 pm

    The Braves inked King Felix late of Seattle to a minor league deal with an invite to spring training. Perhaps the latest in the Braves signing of reclamation projects off the scrap heap of Major League Baseball

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    • 768 Vox O'Reasoñ January 21, 2020 at 8:55 am

      A very nice low investment, high potential signing. Nothing to lose, but Felix could become a solid #5 allowing Newk to truly solidify the bullpen. We needed one more reliable lefty out there. AJ Minter and Grant Dayton are too iffy.

      That said, Felix will have to beat Newk out for the #5 job. And if Newk still wins it… then OK. And don’t sleep on Kyle Wright. Seriously. I think he makes the step this year, and I won’t be surprised if it happens right out of spring. Well… that is if he hasn’t been traded first. 😉

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  475. 769 Vox O'Reasoñ January 21, 2020 at 9:01 am

    Just

    days until P&CR.

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  476. 770 Vox O'Reasoñ January 21, 2020 at 12:18 pm

    There truly is nothing but upside in this chance. Felix was once the best. Maybe a change of scenery and an exciting and contending team can revitalize his HOF-bound career.

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  477. 771 Vox O'Reasoñ January 21, 2020 at 12:43 pm

    I am back beating my drum for Starling Marte once again today. Is he a direct replacement for Josh Donaldson? Of course not. But he’s a heckuva lot better option or LF (or even CF) than we have right now. And at salaries of $11.5M and $12.5M for ’20-’21, AA can still acquire more thunder for the lineup. Also, he’d likely only cost the Braves William Contreras and a token throw-in. Adam Duvall and his $3.25M commitment? That would be perfect.

    In my perfect world today, I would make the trade I suggested above – Contreras and Duvall for Marte. Then I’d turn around and trade Ender to ARZ, who are fervently looking for a real CF so that their young star Ketel Marte can move back to the IF. I really don’t care what I get back in return, but a guy like minor league reliever Luis Frias would be a good match. In those 2 trades, I’ve shed Ender’s $7.7M and Duvey’s $3.25M, which essentially makes Marte’s $11.5M a wash. So I can now invest in either of FA Nick Castellanos or Marcell Ozuna for LF. I prefer Castellanos as he doesn’t come with a QO and loss of draft pick. But I cannot shake the mental picture of Ozuna thrusting the dagger in our hearts last October. I love that fire and determination. That intangible would allow me to be just as happy if he’s tabbed to come in.

    My only trepidation with these moves is that I make my lineup very RH heavy. I cannot decide how I feel about that. Still, I’d have a pretty stout lineup with RAJ, Ozzie, Freddie, Marte, Caste/Zuna, d’Arnaud, Johan (Riley), Dansby. Man that is a lot of RH bats, though. Ugh.

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  478. 772 Vox O'Reasoñ January 21, 2020 at 5:31 pm

    https://twitter.com/GenJerryBlevins/status/1219748039780335617

    For me, maybe the 2nd most anticipated announcement of someone filling a role left void by a departure from Atlanta…

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  479. 773 Gordon Lawrence January 21, 2020 at 6:56 pm

    Last day for being able to read without glasses.
    Eye surgeon to remove the lens in my left eye because of cataract.
    Loved the kicker – chance of losing my sight in that eye ONLY 5%
    The rat poison I’m taking is the culprit.
    No such admonitions 10 1/2 years ago when I did the right eye.
    Wish I’d done them both then.
    Oh well, at least i could read without glasses for that time.
    Anyway, be back shortly.
    Don’t let the BRAVES make any major moves until then.

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  480. 774 Vox O'Reasoñ January 21, 2020 at 7:35 pm

    Yikes. Sorry Gordon Braves are signing Marcell https://twitter.com/braves/status/1219772378466738176?s=21

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  481. 776 Vox O'Reasoñ January 21, 2020 at 7:43 pm

    I have to say that I’m once again surprised at the way AA goes about his job. To get Ozuna here on just a 1 year commitment, much the same as JDon last year, is nothing short genius. Blocks neither Pache nor Waters. Gives Ozuna motivation to rebuild his value for the long term deal he wants. Again, just like JDon.

    Thumbs up to our GM

    I still want Starling Marte in CF.

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  482. 777 Vox O'Reasoñ January 21, 2020 at 8:37 pm

    You can accuse the Braves brass of a lot of things, but cheap is no longer one of them.

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  483. 778 Gil in Mechanicsville January 21, 2020 at 8:42 pm

    Well, when the Vee Man opines, AA listens. 🙂

    I was a tad bit surprised to see reporting of the Ozuna signing. It fells part of a need. Maybe The Big Rookie (Riley) can find his stroke again this spring. Still have the option of adding another bat to the line up. Maybe the Braves can field a team like the Dodgers where the back-up for every position is a potential all-star.

    I haven’t given up on Ender yet but if a productive move can be made, I can live with his departure.

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  484. 779 Vox O'Reasoñ January 22, 2020 at 8:53 am

    Well, it’s a new day in Braves Country. Is Thoppy done with the heavy lifting for this winter? I have to be honest, I still feel like he’s got a trade in him. But at the very least, we now have a complete lineup and a complete team. So that said, this is what the lineup and roster should look like if the season were to start today, barring any major surprises in Spring Training:

    Lineup:
    Acuña, RF (R)
    Albies, 2B (S)
    Freeman, 1B (L)
    Ozuna, LF (R)
    Camargo, 3B (S)*
    d’Arnaud, C (R)
    Swanson, SS (R)
    Inciarte, CF (L)

    Bench:
    Flowers, C (R)
    Charlie, U (R)*
    Hechy, IF (R)
    Duvall, OF (R)
    Markakis, OF (L)

    Rotation: Soroka, Fried (L), Folty, Hamels (L), Felix**

    Bullpen: Melancon, Smith (L), Greene, Martin, Newk (L)**, O’Day, Jackson, Wilson**

    I’m not counting out Austin Riley completely. While I don’t think he’ll be handed a job, he can still win it in Spring if he shows he has learned to recognize the breaking ball once again. And should that happen, Charlie is probably the odd man out.

    ** Obviously there will be a battle for the 5th starter job, which will have an effect on the construction of the bullpen. If Felix fails to crack the rotation, it could simply be because Newk wins the job. If that’s the case, Felix will be released to find an opportunity elsewhere, and another southpaw, Rusin or Minter or Dayton, would be inserted in the bullpen. Also, the long reliever job is pretty much up in the air, but I’ve assigned Bryse Wilson. Honestly, there are a handful of candidates who could emerge, not to mention the possibility of still adding a late free agent like Josh Tomlin, who did a great job in that role last season.

    And don’t forget also, should NRI’s Charlie or Felix or Rusin win an active roster spot, they’ll also need a 40-man roster spot. The 40-man is currently full. So there’s that.

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  485. 780 Gil in Mechanicsville January 22, 2020 at 9:43 am

    Big difference going into spring training this season as opposed to a few years ago when the roster was wide open to winning spots on the team. Tough crowd methinks… 🙂

    So, depth is a really good thing to have. Sure, no one really wants to be “insurance” but then again, it is better than being a disaster.

    For Alex and Company, the job is to now get that winning run in from third, get into the end zone from the 5 yard line or any other appropriate sports metaphor one can think of. It is going to be a long season and let’s be realistic, the Nats still will have one of the stoutest starting pitching staffs in the majors. I don’t look to have them flounder the fist two months of the season again in 2020. The Mets will be better too. They still have some outstanding arms to hurl against the rest of the division. The Phillies will be better as will the Marlins. I think 92 wins for any team in the East might be enough to win the pennant.

    What just might make the difference will be the strength of every team’s bullpen. That looks to be a real strength for the good guys.

    Now, about your batting order Vee, Hard to find a lot of places for opposing pitchers to find an out.

    I think a lot will depend on which baseball MLB decides to use this season.

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    • 781 Vox O'Reasoñ January 22, 2020 at 10:29 am

      Hard to find a lot of places for opposing pitchers to find an out.

      I think you;re right. It might not be quite as scary as having to face last year’s 1-4, but all in all, it appears to be “longer” and deeper. As you said, not many holes. Not to mention the upside of both Johan and Riles.

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  486. 782 Vox O'Reasoñ January 22, 2020 at 10:35 am

    And through all this, the Braves still hold all of their top prospects. Amazing.

    Yes, I feel there could still be a trade in the near future… but perhaps Alex holds these cards until the July trade deadline? Would certainly be a major advantage in filling any needs that develop.

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  487. 783 Vox O'Reasoñ January 22, 2020 at 11:16 am

    Baseball America has published their annual Top 100 prospects list, and the Braves flaunt 4 in the Top 100, with 3 of those being in the Top 50.

    Our boys are:

    Cristian Pache #12
    Drew Waters #36
    Ian Anderson #44
    Kyle Wright #64

    FYI, each of the 4 will either be at AAA Gwinnett to start the season or make the squad right out of spring camp. With the signing of Ozuna, LF is now clearly defined, meaning that there could be a straight up 1-on-1 competition for the CF job in camp. I see no reason why Pache can’t go north with the team if he beats Ender outright for the job. Am I wrong?

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  488. 784 Vox O'Reasoñ January 22, 2020 at 12:29 pm

    Kevin McAlpin at the Braves flagship station 680theFan posted some simple numbers for new Braves cleanup hitter Marcell Ozuna:

    The 29 year old spent the last two seasons with the St Louis Cardinals and over the last three years, has combined to hit .281 with 89 homers, 69 doubles and an .832 OPS.

    You can pretty much pencil him in for 30 HR and 90 RBI. He’s a legit cleanup hitter.

    He’s also in the prime of his career at 29 years old. The dreaded QO might be a deterrent for most teams, but AA took advantage of the leverage to essentially trade the Braves 3rd highest pick in this year’s draft for signing the slugger for just 1 season. And that leads me to my next point…

    As it currently stands, the Braves will open the season with baseball’s 11th highest payroll at $150,814,375, up $33M from last year and $23M higher than the major league average.

    But check this out…

    45% of this year’s payroll comes off the books after this season, meaning if the Braves don’t regress they’ll have at least $66M to work with going into next offseason.

    Oh, and they still have every single top prospect they started with. And neither of the top 2 OF prospects is blocked, nor is the top 3B prospect.

    What’s not to like about the offseason that Alex has had thus far?

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  489. 785 Vox O'Reasoñ January 22, 2020 at 2:13 pm

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  490. 786 Vox O'Reasoñ January 22, 2020 at 2:22 pm

    Just

    until P&CR.

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  491. 789 Vox O'Reasoñ January 23, 2020 at 9:19 am

    Only

    days until P&CR.

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  492. 790 Vox O'Reasoñ January 23, 2020 at 9:31 am

    Ya know… we keep talking about how good that JDon was for Freddie in last year’s lineup, but how good was our lineup for JDon? Imagine hitting behind Ronnie, Ozzie and Freddie. That would jack anybody up! And that’s certainly one of the reason’s that Marcell chose the Braves. I’m expecting big things out of our lineup again. I’m excited and I cannot wait!

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  493. 791 Vox O'Reasoñ January 23, 2020 at 9:35 am

    Did I mention already the prospects of flipping Ronnie and Ozzie at the top? TBH, I think that might be the better order.

    Ozzie (S)
    RAJ (R)
    Freddie (L)
    Marcell (R)
    Johan (S)
    d’Arnaud (R)
    Dans (R)
    Ender (L)

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  494. 792 Vox O'Reasoñ January 23, 2020 at 9:43 am

    DO’B: “The focus wasn’t on cleanup hitter; it was just, ‘Let’s get as many good players as we can, as many good hitters as we can.'” Alex Anthopoulos said after Braves got a cleanup hitter, Marcell “The Big Bear” Ozuna

    The Big Bear. I really like that…

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  495. 793 Vox O'Reasoñ January 23, 2020 at 9:47 am

    I am shifting my dislike for Ender into praying for Ender. In reality, I think he’s a good person and I know that he works hard. And the lineup needs his LH bat in it to help it stay balanced. But what it really needs is for that bat to be productive. Placed at the end of the lineup, maybe he can relax and just play baseball.

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  496. 796 Gil in Mechanicsville January 23, 2020 at 10:53 am

    Good morning folks, maybe it is because of what I saw from Ender in 2018 that I have faith in his ability to hit. Of course if he is injured or is hurting, we only have to look at Freddie Freeman the final 6 weeks of the season to as an example see how great an impact it can have on a batter to hit consistently.

    The same is true for Dansby. We don’t always know when a player is hurting but we can see the true talent an athlete possesses when he is firing on all cylinders. I will forgo my NASCAR analogy at this point.

    So, as far as Ozuna being fully healthy, Look at 2017, not as healthy, 2018 and ’19. Does anyone believe King Felix has forgotten how to pitch? If he shoulder is still ailing, he will have to undergo an Anibal Sanchez like reinvention.

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    • 797 Vox O'Reasoñ January 23, 2020 at 11:45 am

      he will have to undergo an Anibal Sanchez like reinvention

      Hopefully King Felix can do that. Hopefully Rick Kranitz can be a catalyst for that. Good thing we have a plethora of young options if he can’t.

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  497. 798 Vox O'Reasoñ January 23, 2020 at 11:42 am

    Alex Anthopoulos, on a radio interview yesterday: “We think [Austin] Riley is going to be a great player, we just don’t know when.”

    I think that’s a fair statement. Riley’s up and down season last year is well documented. “Great” requires consistency. And the kid is only 22… most people forget that part. He’s got time. Fortunately for the Braves, Johan Camargo is a capable placeholder.

    Speaking of Camargo, AA also said, “Johan Camargo has worked extremely hard this offseason” getting ready for the upcoming campaign, specifically noting that he looked much leaner and more ready to compete for an everyday job. And again, having a SH bat in the lineup helps balance a RH-heavy middle section.

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    • 799 Gil in Mechanicsville January 23, 2020 at 12:41 pm

      I think we all saw what Johan was capable of doing on defense in 2017 and 2018. 2019 was abit of a regression afield. He has also demonstrated he is a very capable hitter although again 2019 was a very bad year for him with the exception of September and October. DOB may be on to something with his physic. He was a little bit muscle bound and it really hurt his fielding. An opportunity is again being handed to him on a platter, we will have to wait and see what version of Camargo arrives for spring training.

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  498. 800 Vox O'Reasoñ January 23, 2020 at 12:21 pm

    I think 92 wins for any team in the East might be enough to win the pennant.

    They must be listening to you, Gil…

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    • 801 Gil in Mechanicsville January 23, 2020 at 12:46 pm

      So, 91.5 vs 90.5… must be in for a tie game sometime this season. With the Braves opening on the road on the left coast this coming season, I can see my already fragile sleep patterns being disrupted early this spring. In the past, west coast trips have been brutal for the good guys. I hope the Braves can change that in 2020.

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      • 802 Vox O'Reasoñ January 23, 2020 at 1:20 pm

        Yep, that is for sure. But there is a sliver lining. Playing those first 7 games in Phoenix and San Diego almost ensures we won’t have any of those crazy 40 degree games… especially since the next 10 games following the opening West coast swing are in Atlanta and Miami.

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  499. 809 Gil in Mechanicsville January 24, 2020 at 9:05 am

    No signing overnight? Bummer… 🙂

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    • 810 Vox O'Reasoñ January 24, 2020 at 10:04 am

      I think Alex is going to try to strike for a big arm for the rotation. Just a gut feeling. I just feel a trade is coming, and I think he wants to add a top guy to go with Soroka. Probably take on a big salary on the short term for a controllable youngster. Probably send Ender away in the process. It just looks like these elements are lining up.

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  500. 811 Vox O'Reasoñ January 24, 2020 at 9:59 am

    Just

    days until P&CR.

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  501. 812 Vox O'Reasoñ January 24, 2020 at 11:27 am

    Keep him out of Flushing.

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  502. 813 Vox O'Reasoñ January 24, 2020 at 4:59 pm

    So there’s that…

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  503. 816 berigan2electricboogaloo January 25, 2020 at 1:43 pm

    Never did comment on Ozuna deal did I? odd…oh well…and I know how much everyone hangs on my every (typed) word… 😛
    I do like the deal…best deal he could make , well actually I’d take Nicholas Castellanos before him, as he can actually throw a baseball, (Ozuna was terrible at times last year, hope he has full arm strength this year ) but Nicholas wanted more than 1 year, so…
    I just am tired of A.A.’s wanting to be uber conservative on deals. Even if he WAY overpaid for a #4 starter like Hamels (18 Mil , just amazing) he knows it won’t hurt him in 2021. And I really do get that, to a point, and perhaps if someone better was out there, he would have gone longer on someone , but so far, A.A. doesn’t offer long term contracts unless you are under 25 and are willing to ____ yourself out of tens of millions of dollars. Shudder to think what will happen when F.F.’s deal nears it’s end. guess he will either have to make a severe hometown discount, or go to the Angels…

    So, are we better with Ozuna than with JD ? No, of course not, we are a weaker team, no doubt…but, so are the Nats since they lost their all world 3rd baseman too…just don’t think it’s going to be nearly as easy to win the NL east…this year. And with the Phils having a better manager, and Mutts, with all their issues, still have a really amazing rotation…. so a bad break or 2 and we could end up in 3rd place….

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    • 817 Vox O'Reasoñ January 27, 2020 at 9:07 am

      we are a weaker team, no doubt

      Weaker? Uh… I think that has to play out. I believe we are more balanced up and down the lineup. As for me, I believe we are better with Camargo (and at some point Riley) at 3B than we were going to be with Duvall and Markakis platooning in LF. That was simply a recipe for mediocre.

      As for the other teams in the NL East, the Nats are still going to be tough because of their pitching alone, but the only 2 bats to really fear in their order are Trea Turner and Juan Soto. But after that? Meh. They aren’t that imposing. They were hurt more than the Braves by Donaldson defecting to the AL.

      The Mets rotation? deGrom and Syndergaard are great, no doubt. But I’ll take our 3-5 over theirs any day of the weak, and I don’t even know who our 5 will be.

      The Phillies? Good manager, but too many holes in their lineup, and they didn’t fully address their biggest problem… their rotation. Yes, they signed Wheeler, and if he stays healthy he will make a great 1-2 punch with Aaron Nola. But Jake Arrieta is awful at 3 and the rest of them are downright putrid. And their lineup will be good, but there is alot of swing-and-miss in it. Alot.

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    • 818 Vox O'Reasoñ January 27, 2020 at 9:11 am

      I just am tired of A.A.’s wanting to be uber conservative on deals.

      Shudder to think what will happen when F.F.’s deal nears it’s end.

      Exactly why he is keeping the major commitments on short terms. If he had offered 4 years at big money to Josh Donaldson, you could have kissed Freddie goodbye in 2 years.

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  504. 819 Gil in Mechanicsville January 25, 2020 at 4:14 pm

    I will not even speak of what bad breaks could happen. I loath to paint that devil on the wall but point well taken, after all, isn’t that exactly what happened with the Mets the last two years?

    With spring training not yet underway, I venture there are players to yet be acquired prior to the beginning of the season.

    As for Ozuna’s throwing ability, it is my guess that A.A. did have his minions review Marcel’s medical records and perhaps did demonstrate he was able to hurl a baseball from deep left to the cut-off man. After all, very few have Rick Ankiel abilities to throw flat footed from deep center field to home plate on the fly. Seldom you get 5 tool players. As far as monetary compensation goes, $18MM actually feels about right given what power hitting outfielders are making these days.

    If Austin Riley can have a breakout season, it should be easy for Pasche’ to transition into the Braves outfield in 2021.

    A reminder, during the Braves amazing run from 1991 to 2005, the roster turned over quite a bit each year. And yes, they should have one more that one World Series but I am thankful they had at least one.

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  505. 820 Vox O'Reasoñ January 27, 2020 at 9:16 am

    With spring training not yet underway, I venture there are players to yet be acquired prior to the beginning of the season.

    I still think there is a trade coming. But the greater sentiment is that AA is “keeping his powder dry” until mid-season so he can address specific needs. I suppose that is what he did last year to great success, so most people think that will be his M.O. again. And it makes sense. But I can’t shake the feeling he has one more trick up his sleeve. I think he’s going to improve the rotation by trading a little bit of future for some right now. Nothing to base that on but gut.

    Or it could be gas.

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  506. 821 Vox O'Reasoñ January 27, 2020 at 9:27 am

    Is Marcell Ozuna really a defensive liability for the Atlanta Braves?

    Excerpt:

    At the risk of giving you numbers overload, consider these stats as cleanup hitters last season:

    ~Strikeouts per plate appearance: .2208 vs .0227
    ~Home runs with runners on base: .03285 vs. .01064
    ~Solo home runs: 11 vs. 22
    ~Other runners driven in: 60 vs. 41
    ~Runs scored excluding solo home runs: 51 vs. 40
    ~Per FanGraphs, one ranked second among all players with at least 600 innings at his position and has a Gold Glove, while the other was tied for 10th.
    ~Pretty decisive stats, right?

    OK, well here’s where the above narrative takes a little twist. Those first facts belong to Ozuna, the latter to Donaldson.

    Another excerpt:

    Those who want to perpetuate the myth of Ozuna as a defensive liability will point to the video of him climbing the fence to grab a Kiki Hernandez fly ball only to have the ball drop in front of him on the warning track. There’s a similar clip of a ball hit by Jesus Aguilar. Then there was his misplay of Anthony Rendon’s line drive in last year’s National League Championship Series. But those are outliers. Just three years ago, his last season with Miami, Ozuna won the Rawlings Gold Glove for National League left fielders. As bad as those three errors looked, he was hustling on each play. To be clear, Ozuna probably won’t win another Gold Glove. But he can, at a minimum, be average.

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  507. 822 Vox O'Reasoñ January 27, 2020 at 9:34 am

    The last big domino falls…

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  508. 824 Vox O'Reasoñ January 27, 2020 at 9:49 am

    The Reds overpaid for Castellanos, but they have really done a great job building a contender this offseason. They may be the favorite to win the NL Central now.

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  509. 825 Vox O'Reasoñ January 27, 2020 at 10:02 am

    I read this same thing a week or so ago connecting him to Cleveland and Lindor. But CLE has now seemingly shut down the idea of trading their fan fave. Senzel is a very interesting piece without a clear position to take on the Reds team. That’s not a shot at Senzel, but more a compliment of how well the Reds have put together their lineup.

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    • 826 Vox O'Reasoñ January 27, 2020 at 10:03 am

      I wonder if the Nats would engage. He’d fill their 3B void nicely.

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      • 827 Vox O'Reasoñ January 27, 2020 at 10:11 am

        Carter Kieboom, currently slated to try to fill the 3B void for WAS, was drafted as and came up as a SS. Senzel was drafted as and came up as a 3B. Think the Reds would like to have this year’s #20 overall prospect in Keiboom at SS over Freddie Galvis? Think the Nats would like to have last year’s #5 overall prospect in Senzel at 3B?

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        • 828 Gil in Mechanicsville January 27, 2020 at 11:13 am

          Players who are drafted at short-stop always have a bigger upside if only because the tend to be more athletic.That is unless they are 5-5 or so, still they cane usually play any position up the center. I realize there are so many variables to take under consideration as far as prospects go but power is always the last tool to develop.

          Last season we saw Johan Camargo undergo his version of the Ron Gant school of body building. I think a lot of people focus on Ron’s power numbers but forget he came up as a second baseman. His muscular physic did not play well as an infielder but did not hinder his outfield play.

          Back in the day, seldom did baseball players exhibit Mr. Universe builds but concentrated on their God given talents that carried them far. Things like agility, fast twitch muscles etc were always desired over bulk which was better suited for sports like football.

          I am glad to see Camargo reverting back to tone and agility. That is his game. Austin Riley’s body type is one that transitions well to bulk but he will never be confused for a short stop or center fielder.

          Perhaps golf gives us the best lessons on the importance of rhythm and balance over bulk. It is what allows players like Altuve and Albies to hit home-runs despite their diminutive stature.

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  510. 829 Vox O'Reasoñ January 27, 2020 at 11:09 am

    Tim Tucker, ajc.com:

    While the Braves’ projected opening-day payroll currently hovers around $150 million, general manager Alex Anthopoulos suggested to fans over the weekend that he has authorization from his boss to spend more.

    “I can tell you I was talking to (Braves chairman) Terry McGuirk the other day. And obviously, we’ve done a lot so far this winter — (he has been) very supportive. He just told me the other day, ‘Look, I want you to continue. If there is something else that you think is big and impactful and can continue to drive us forward and put us over the top, I want you to go for it. I want you to try to do it,’ I’m, like, ‘Wow, I can just keep going and going?’ He’s, like, ‘Yeah.’ So it was exciting to hear.”

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  511. 830 Vox O'Reasoñ January 27, 2020 at 1:40 pm

    FWIW indeed. Jim Bowden is a bit hit and miss with his “takes” sometimes. But it’s coming sooner or later. It’s a foregone conclusion.

    I like an idea I heard on the radio a couple of weeks ago where the DH is used as long as the starting pitcher is in the game. But once the starter is gone, the DH is also gone. I kind of like that I think. I doubt that would happen, but I like it nonetheless.

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  512. 831 berigan2electricboogaloo January 27, 2020 at 2:13 pm

    There’s a similar clip of a ball hit by Jesus Aguilar. Then there was his misplay of Anthony Rendon’s line drive in last year’s National League Championship Series. But those are outliers. Just three years ago, his last season with Miami, Ozuna won the Rawlings Gold Glove for National League left fielders. As bad as those three errors looked, he was hustling on each play.

    my issue is not with his general defense, or one miffed play at the wall…
    I saw lots of just terrible throws from left, and mlb tonight had a clip of several of them….of course, one reason I was worried about JD last year was he had a real issue throwing from 3rd in 2018 before he got injured…
    and that turned out ok…

    but, JD was great last year, do not, DO NOT care what some durn fool igit spits out via a software program…
    I mean, once I heard “experts” ( you know, the kind of experts that in other fields tell us tariffs don’t work, you can’t cut taxes, and raise Fed. revenue, etc) say Adam LaRoche, and ….. Mark Texiera were not that good at 1st base, that defensive metrics are for the most part, a joke….

    now, get off my lawn!

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    • 832 Vox O'Reasoñ January 27, 2020 at 3:09 pm

      I don’t think he was trying to disparage JD in that comp at all. Heck, we all saw how great he was here. I think the point is that we made a pretty darn good pickup in Ozuna. And I agree. As I’ve said before, I never got over the mental image of Ozuna shredding us in the NLDS. It’s a different fire than JD has, but it’s fire nonetheless. And I can’t wait to see the interaction between O and our young studs Ronnie and Ozzie.

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  513. 833 Vox O'Reasoñ January 27, 2020 at 3:05 pm

    He sure would have looked good in a Braves uniform, but I’m cool where we are. I’m even cool with Ender for this year. D’backs have made some good moves this offseason. Will they catch the Dodgers? Uh, no. But they should have a decent shot at the Wild Card.

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  514. 834 Gil in Mechanicsville January 27, 2020 at 7:41 pm

    The Braves will get a chance to see and play the upgraded version of the Fathers in the fist week of the season. We shall see…

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  515. 835 Vox O'Reasoñ January 27, 2020 at 8:15 pm

    Like I said, inevitable. Might as well embrace it.

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  516. 836 Vox O'Reasoñ January 28, 2020 at 10:10 am

    Last week we talked about the Baseball America Top 100 list, in which we found 4 of our boys, being Cristian Pache (#12), Drew Waters (#36), Ian Anderson (#44), Kyle Wright (#64).

    Today we get Baseball Prospectus’ “Top 101” list, and it looks a bit different. They appear to value our boys a little different, listing 6 of them thus:

    Cristian Pache – #22
    Ian Anderson – #38
    Drew Waters – #42
    Kyle Muller – #60
    Shea Langeliers – #77
    Kyle Wright – #89

    Is one more correct than the other? Who knows..? It’s all subjective, But it does give some decent perspective on how others regard our top prospects.

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  517. 837 Vox O'Reasoñ January 28, 2020 at 10:18 am

    Just

    days until P&CR.

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  518. 838 Gordon Lawrence January 28, 2020 at 11:35 am

    I knew when Moose went off the board that the BRAVES would be left with the DONALDSON retirement plan as their only viable option for 3B and the batting order.
    I want to personally thank AA here today for not knuckling under to that disguised extortion.
    You can see by the contract the Rainman settled for in MINNESOTA, that he was out to get all he could get under his last big contract, and get it from the BRAVES.
    I’m saying, JD would be willing to “settle” for a lesser contract elsewhere if the BRAVES didn’t overpay to compensate for his one-year “underpaid” deal in ATLANTA.
    AA didn’t buy in despite their past alliance in TORONTO.
    Now, I don’t begrudge JOSH grabbing for all the gusto he could in this scenario.
    After all, it’s his last rodeo.
    However, his TWINS deal is obviously not what he was asking of the BRAVES.
    I’m thankful he didn’t stay a disgruntled, “underpaid” BRAVE.
    The BRAVES franchise, and BRAVES fans are the better off for AA not flinching in that standoff.

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    • 839 Vox O'Reasoñ January 28, 2020 at 1:15 pm

      Don’t count out Austin Riley, even out of camp. He’s got star written all over him. He’s historically struggled at every level early upon promotion, so last season wasn’t new for him. He’s also broken out in a big way following each struggle. This kid will make the necessary adjustments to The Show if he hasn’t already. I think he’ll probably open the campaign at AAA, but I wouldn’t lay money on it.

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      • 840 Gordon Lawrence January 28, 2020 at 1:21 pm

        This move of DONALDSON opened the door again for both CAMARGO and RILEY, though I think AUSTIN is the ultimate winner.
        Another reason to be thankful for the way things turned out.

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  519. 841 Gordon Lawrence January 28, 2020 at 11:38 am

    GIL:
    Still dealing with the cataract issue until February 20, if you can believe it.
    I guess i really should have done both 10 1/2 years ago rather than just the one.
    Back for a second visit today.
    I’m thankful to have an eye surgeon that seems to stay on top of things at least.
    Anyway, later.

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  520. 843 berigan2electricboogaloo January 28, 2020 at 12:17 pm

    Starling Marte misses about 30 games a season, and is now 31. He walked 25 times last year. (still can’t quite figure out how a guy hits .295, walks 25 times, but had a .342 OBP,)
    very glad he’s not coming here. He will hit just fine in AZ good for him, and the Diamondbacks hopefully.

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  521. 844 Vox O'Reasoñ January 28, 2020 at 1:09 pm

    Just 1 reason why Mike Soroka is an ACE and will be in the Cy Young hunt in 2020:

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  522. 846 Vox O'Reasoñ January 28, 2020 at 1:38 pm

    It appears the league’s recycling program is still churning out the retreads. Toothpick dealers in the greater Houston area will all see a bump in sales volume. Oh, and he’ll alienate the “common” players from their stars. That clubhouse is doomed.

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  523. 847 berigan2electricboogaloo January 29, 2020 at 2:16 am

    I guess the older I get, the more I like seeing “old” people get a chance to show old people are actually good at things.
    heck, a few years ago, Joe Girardi was considered too old school to be a good manager anymore.
    Hope he brings the Phils in 1 game behind the braves and gets a wildcard berth 😉
    Dusty is flat out old….and folks laughed at him when he got to D.C. and all he did is win. all he does is win…
    Of course, they are missing their best starter and their 2nd best starter is what? 37, 38?
    It should be quite the interesting season……just 2 more months til they start playing for real….ugh, will it ever get here???? :/

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    • 848 Vox O'Reasoñ January 29, 2020 at 12:44 pm

      It’s not the “old” or “old school” about Dusty I don’t like. I’m both of those myself. It’s that I believe he’s overrated. I think he gets a pass because he is “beloved”. I also think that’s the only reason he got the Astros gig, because he’s almost untouchable for the media.

      In 10 years in San Fran he had Barroid Bonds and Jeff Kent, he finished 1st just twice and found his only NL pennant in his 10th season, losing in the World Series. In 4 years in Chicago with Sammy Sosa and Carlos Zambrano, he won the Central in his 1st season and finished 6th in his last, managing a sub-.500 record overall. In 6 years in Cincy with Joey Votto and Brandon Phillips, he had 2 top finishes and didn’t finish higher than 3rd in any of the others. And in 2 seasons in DC, with Harper, Werth, Zimmerman, Rendon, Scherzer and Strasburg, he had 2 division titles and a total of 4 playoff game wins.

      Seriously, what has he accomplished in 22 managerial seasons? 8 post-season appearances with a 23-32 record and 1 pennant. That’s it. Oh, and 2 high profile stars that embody the steroid era in Bonds and Sosa.

      Hey… I have nothing against the man personally, but he’s 70 years old with a suspect track record, and the optics say he was hired to be a media buffer and placeholder. At least the Mets were looking to move forward with a young manager. The Astros have their own promising in-house managerial candidate in bench coach Joe Espada who was a hot candidate this offseason and directly in line for the Astros job. If I was him, I’d be pissed that they drug Dusty out of 2 years of retirement to placate the media. Ha… “Dusty”. I just caught the irony there…

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  524. 849 Vox O'Reasoñ January 29, 2020 at 10:31 am

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    • 850 Vox O'Reasoñ January 29, 2020 at 12:56 pm

      FWIW, I don’t think Alex will seek to acquire Bryant even though it’s now clarified that he does have 2 years of control left. I think AA’s very comfortable rolling with Camargo and Riley and seeing just what he has there.

      Personally, I believe the Braves have more in-house than alot of “fans” give credit for. I believe the 3B production, both offensively and defensively, will be better than currently expected regardless of who wins the job between Margs and Riles. At worst it will not be a hole in the lineup like it was in the Adonis Garcia era.

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    • 851 Vox O'Reasoñ January 29, 2020 at 12:57 pm

      But I do think the Nats will explore it, and that could be significant to the Braves.

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      • 852 Gil in Mechanicsville January 29, 2020 at 2:24 pm

        Vee, I think you make a very important observation in that the Braves are not operating in a vacuum. What every team has to do is not to lose sight of the fact that doing something purely for the purpose of blocking a rival team of the services of any player. Now, if such a more both helps your team and hurts a rival, so much the better. Has any Braves or Padres fan for that matter ever forgotten the hole the Fathers dug for themselves in blocking the Braves from acquiring the services of David Wells at the trade deadline back in the day and ended up eating a very large contract and a worn out hurler?

        Now, if the Nationals opt to trade away their future for possible success this year, well, that is their prerogative but they are not going to replace Anthony Rendon easily. I don’t think Bryant is even close. Now, I think Bryant is a good player but maybe a tad bit over rated.

        I would not complain if the Cub’s third baseman was acquired to play for the Braves but I cannot foresee it being at the cost of two players of the caliber of Riley (who has given us a glimpse of his potential) and a pitcher who has not even approached the level he will finally reach in my opinion. Two players who look to be a part of the Braves for the next 4 or more years, especially in light that Bryant will be available for the taking in two years.

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        • 853 Vox O'Reasoñ January 29, 2020 at 3:15 pm

          According to earlier reports, the Cubs made it clear that they wanted Max Fried to headline a deal with the Braves for Bryant. That’s where I would hang up the phone. I’m not giving up Fried to anyone, especially now that he has a mentor in the clubhouse like Cole Hamels. Fried is going to be special… Hamels-like, even. He’s off the table.

          I’d rather see Alex spend his prospect capital on starting pitching if anything. I don’t know who might still be shopping talent around, but it’s fairly obvious that the Pirates are in full rebuild mode. I’d have to at least check in on Joe Musgrove and Chris Archer. They reportedly are in love with William Contreras, and would probably like to pick over some of our ML ready pitching prospects.

          The Indians were earlier taking feelers on Mike Clevinger. But that would likely cost Cristian Pache or Drew Waters, so I’m not as keen on that one.

          The Rockies are a trainwreck, and should entertain embracing a rebuild and getting what they can for Jon Gray.

          Perhaps the team to watch is Houston. They lost their ace to FA, and haven’t done anything in the offseason to replace him. Actually, they haven’t done anything period. And they won’t. They have a stain upon them now, and players are probably going to stay away from the stink for a while. (NOTE: They did sign Joe Smith, Martin Maldonado and Dustin Garneau for a grand total of $15.65M total. Not exactly earth shaking moves.) Also, George Springer, Yuli Gurriel and Michael Brantley are FA’s following this season. The Houston Asterisks outlook is not that great right now. Perhaps they would be willing to shed a big contract like Zack Greinke’s? With what ARZ is still paying, Greinke is only owed about $24M for each of 2020 & 2021. Wouldn’t he look great at the top of our rotation? A guy can dream, can’t he?

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  525. 854 Vox O'Reasoñ January 29, 2020 at 3:21 pm

    Speaking of Free Agent signings, did you know that Alex penned a total of 16 FAs over the offseason? Granted, 7 of those 16 are minor league deals, but they’re at least depth pieces if nothing else.

    In those 9 ML deals (Will Smith, Marcell Ozuna, Cole Hamels, Travis d’Arnaud, Chris Martin, Nick Markakis, Tyler Flowers, Darren O’Day, and Adeiny Hechavarria), the Braves spent a total of $116.25M. Not bad for a “cheap” team, eh? It’s a new day in Atlanta, and this fan is happy about it.

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  526. 855 Vox O'Reasoñ January 29, 2020 at 4:44 pm

    Just

    days until P&CR.

    That’s just 2 weeks!!

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  527. 857 Vox O'Reasoñ January 30, 2020 at 10:30 am

    Just

    days until P&CR.

    BTW, it wasn’t hard to choose which player would represent the #13. 😀

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  528. 858 Vox O'Reasoñ January 30, 2020 at 10:34 am

    And for what it’s worth, I’m looking forward to seeing this trio having fun together on the field again. Add Marcell Ozuna into that mix, and it should be a fun ride. 😀

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  529. 859 Vox O'Reasoñ January 31, 2020 at 8:34 am

    If the Dodgers don’t have to give up Lux or May, then the Braves should be able to pull it off without Pache or Waters. A package headlined by Kyle Wright and William Contreras would be a great start. Probably toss in Shane Greene and Ender or Duvall to help offset some $$. And another prospect – Pat Weigel or Bradon Shewmake. That’d do it.

    Can you imagine Mookie Betts and Ronald Acuña in the same OF and lineup?

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  530. 861 Gordon Lawrence January 31, 2020 at 9:57 am

    So, do we believe TOMAHAWK TAKE that TUCKER DAVIDSON is an elite prospect?
    Maybe i missed something because I never thought much of his long-term abilities.
    Is there a sales job going on here?

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    • 862 Vox O'Reasoñ January 31, 2020 at 10:45 am

      He made dramatic improvements prior to last season through some tinkering with his mechanics that have the evaluators excited. If you believe the written reports and boutique stats, he increased his velo into the upper 90’s and his spin rate to ML levels. And his overall numbers early in 2019 were really good. He tailed off later in the season, especially after being promoted to AAA. He’s still got to prove he can be consistent at AAA before being considered an “elite” prospect. But he certainly has a high ceiling.

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  531. 863 Gordon Lawrence January 31, 2020 at 10:01 am

    RHSP BRYSE WILSON, LHSP TUCKER DAVIDSON, C WILLIAM CONTRERAS, and SS BRADEN SHEWMAKE for KRIS BRYANT with some money shuffled around between the BRAVES and CUBS?

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    • 864 Vox O'Reasoñ January 31, 2020 at 10:53 am

      I’m probably in the minority, but I am not all that turned on by Kris Bryant. Yes, he’s a great player. Yes, chances are he would be better in 2020 than our current 3B options. But having lost his grievance and being a Scott Boras client, he’s a sure bet to bolt in FA after 2 years and we’ll have nothing to show for the Teixeirian price of admittance. And if all the earlier reports are accurate, they want Max Fried to headline the return package. Click. No thanks.

      And I think I have a little more confidence in Austin Riley than most folks too. I believe he’ll be our regular 3B before the 2020 season ends, and maybe when it kicks off. IMO, he has star written all over him. Am I wearing homer glasses? Maybe. But I’ve seen alot of these guys come and go, and I think Riles has something the others didn’t.

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  532. 866 Vox O'Reasoñ January 31, 2020 at 11:04 am

    Seemingly random comment…

    An under the radar guy I am really excited about in our system is Kyle Muller. Y’all, he’s a 6’6″, 225 lb lefty power pitcher that tosses 94-95 consistently with a free and easy delivery that is easily repeatable. His control is also very good for a youngster. His only hurdle right now is that he has to learn to trust his secondary pitches more. He does possess a good curveball and good change, but has to use them more and learn to throw them for strikes more consistently. Once that happens, he’ll be a solid addition to the rotation for many years. Since he’s just a 22 year old kid, he has time to work that stuff out. For perspective, his major league comp is Andy Pettitte. Not too shabby.

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    • 867 Gordon Lawrence January 31, 2020 at 1:27 pm

      He’s been my pick for the rotation all along, and he’s LH’d.
      Now an under the radar pick I like is NOLAN KINGHAM.
      I like his ability to finish games, not waste pitches, and adjust to adversity.
      His measurables are average or below, but they don’t account for attitude and smarts.
      I think he has great potential which this season will show, as he will probably graduate to AAA this season.

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  533. 868 Vox O'Reasoñ January 31, 2020 at 2:10 pm

    Just

    days until P&CR.

    Braves win! Braves win! Braves win!

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  534. 869 Vox O'Reasoñ January 31, 2020 at 3:33 pm

    Reading some stuff today about the Braves projected Opening Day lineup. Now, that lineup might be a little different since it’s expected that the Snakes will toss lefty MadBum at us. Thus, most of the guesses I keep seeing have RAJ in CF in the lid lifter wit Adam Duvall in RF.

    But I personally do not see there being a strict platoon situation with Ender. For one, I think Snit will value Ender’s defense over the offset of offense from Duvall. That’s not so say that on occasion that arrangement might not be in place. But this fan has a different opinion.

    Here’s how I see the “crowded” OF shaking out barring another deal between now and then…

    I think that it’s pretty obvious that RAJ and Ozuna will each start 145+ games. That’s a no-brainer. But this fan believes that Ender will get the majority of the CF starts even against lefties until Pache comes up to take the job (or unless Ender himself is traded). Again, Snit will value the Gold Glove defense in CF, with a little cheating over toward LF to help the slower Ozuna. Duvey will still get some spot starts here and there against targeted tough lefties, but it will not be in any defined platoon situation. It will be more in day games after night games and such.

    And Nick Markakis… Nick will be this year’s Matt Joyce. Heck, he was told when he re-signed that his role with the team would be changing. I think Nick will be the LH primary bat off the bench and will excel at it. I think he’ll prove to be a very valuable player in that role. And if a guy goes down to injury, out comes the venerable old warrior. The Braves are fairly fortunate to have such a veteran in that crucial role.

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  535. 871 Gil in Mechanicsville January 31, 2020 at 6:42 pm

    Hi folks… I think is is way early on talking about a set line up. After all, where are the Braves going to play Mookie Betts?

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  536. 872 Carolina Lady January 31, 2020 at 7:06 pm

    https://www.facebook.com/Braves/photos/a.10150107051247831/10157235380102831/?type=3&eid=ARA-RpiZktof9r8G4guMgllKEAjJ_zwITiAPe50SWK7XewxrPrM8atGnuVPHism4l7dP-5X4vEL7iFmp&amp;xts%5B0%5D=68.ARBFvpPkMJb32rBcKE36wL4BcMzKogQzZlLNf9NYGzXl5banFIPVGOuL5llIq7lgQxA7E1Aa8-6Qix1WMIDneWz3oN2dOB7Ywuk-NWFZZUk_7BDRy7Y5bs0TOcxg_VHtOtPZFrC_-kQkSH8SyRBuX95hqv_X6o_-S4zw8seVfbdG8Dch_9JW8d_wf9HzMDNguhSozNMG5zgkct3v7z2GL8FmgqMVJHa9l9-gWTeimNHRO8aDf8dZ4jGX2P0lxzHtpk_cnvtNL2MgWo9YgZrVmYTSub46mcGF8dKOh0pxW3cuuKnpHxqFCDfCys_hlZf3ACLckqqeGevmnGHOtQ&tn=EEHH-R

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  537. 873 Carolina Lady February 2, 2020 at 5:34 pm

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    • 874 Gordon Lawrence February 2, 2020 at 8:17 pm

      Good to see you back young lady.
      Hope you are improved.

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      • 875 Carolina Lady February 2, 2020 at 10:17 pm

        Thanks,, Gordon. I’m trying real hard. Up and down..You know how things go sometimes. I’ll get back full-time, just don’t know when. I’m not letting the docs experiment with their pet projects. NO more “let’s try this”. On zero meds right now except aspirin when I really, really need it. Have a little more use of my hands, fingers, but typing is awkward, to say the least. I’ll tell you, when your odometer turns over a certain number and your “check engine” light come on, ya got a fight on your hands! 😀 Only, I don’t think anybody counted on a lifetime of Irish ‘stubborn’. lol

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  538. 876 Vox O'Reasoñ February 3, 2020 at 9:08 am

    Just

    days until P&CR from yesterday. I just couldn’t pass up this picture…

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  539. 877 Vox O'Reasoñ February 3, 2020 at 9:12 am

    Just

    until P&CR.

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  540. 878 Vox O'Reasoñ February 3, 2020 at 10:03 am

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  541. 879 Carolina Lady February 3, 2020 at 12:43 pm

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  542. 880 Gil in Mechanicsville February 3, 2020 at 12:45 pm

    What? No chance the Braves reach an agreement that would net them one of the best outfielders and a starting pitcher? After all, it’s only someone else’s money. 🙂

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  543. 882 Vox O'Reasoñ February 3, 2020 at 1:28 pm

    And of course, like Gil likes to say, nothing happens in a vacuum. If the Padres land him, coupled with the improvement of the Dbacks, the chances of a Wild Card coming out of the NL East drop significantly. The Braves better make the moves necessary to win the division or they’ll be vacationing in October instead of playing more baseball. And I’m not talking about waiting until the July deadline and seeing where our needs are. This baseball truth always bears itself out: you can’t win a division in April, but you can sure lose it.

    One more big arm for the rotation seems in order to me. I’m not crazy about the 5th starter role being up for grabs. Of course there should always be competition, but I’d like to have a good name already there that the young’uns are gunning for.

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  544. 883 Vox O'Reasoñ February 3, 2020 at 4:13 pm

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  545. 884 Gil in Mechanicsville February 4, 2020 at 9:29 am

    Reading DOB’s latest offering in the Athletic this AM. It is all about Drew Waters. Says Waters is all about his confidence and cockiness ALA Chipper Jones. I have not seen Waters play but I did see chipper coming up but Chipper had nothing on another Braves Rookie who had quite a bit of success in the majors, that being Brett Butler. The diminutive centerfielder was traded to Cleveland for Len Barker in what may have been the worse trade ever made by the Braves. Yes, I know the Texeria trade is up there but at least Tex was productive in his stink with Atlanta as opposed to Barker who showed up lame and stayed that way.

    Butler and his stable mate Brook Jacoby, a third baseman, both became all stars and Butler accumulated nearly 2200 hits during his career with the Indians and later the Dodgers. I knew he was going to be a star in the Show after seeing him fly in centerfield at Parker Field robbing any number of hits in the gap. Parker Field AKA The Diamond, has huge gaps and was a doubles haven for hitters.

    So, if the Braves can resist the temptation to trade away the 21 year old for a short term fix, I look forward to seeing Waters ply his trade in left field at the Tee-Pee…

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  546. 886 Vox O'Reasoñ February 4, 2020 at 10:44 am

    Only

    days until P&CR.

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  547. 887 Vox O'Reasoñ February 4, 2020 at 11:49 am

    Wooooooo!

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  548. 888 Gil in Mechanicsville February 4, 2020 at 12:31 pm

    Soon we will be getting real time reports from FLA on who showed up in the best shape of their lives and who is already being held back because of shoulder/arm/elbow “soreness” and thus cause all of us to fret over who will fill in the breach. At least I do not anticipate any reports that 3/5 ths of the projected starting rotation will begin the season on the DL.

    Just my opinion but look for Austin Riley to get some reps at first base as well as third and left field this spring. Also anticipate him facing iron mike quite a bit to better recognize breaking balls. A drill that worked quite well for JD last season.

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    • 889 Vox O'Reasoñ February 4, 2020 at 1:06 pm

      … and don’t forget about the one who is held up with visa issues.

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    • 890 Vox O'Reasoñ February 4, 2020 at 1:19 pm

      Also anticipate him facing iron mike quite a bit to better recognize breaking balls. A drill that worked quite well for JD last season.

      Riley, in a Q&A with the AJC last week:

      Q: What did you clean up and work on in the offseason?

      A: “My swing. I’ve been to Dallas (Texas) a few times with (Braves minor league hitting coordinator) Mike Brumley, working with him. I’ve been working on just kind of cleaning up the swing itself. Specifically, I’ve been working on my front elbow, really focusing on what it’s doing at the start of my swing. I felt like last year, when I got in trouble, it was working down instead of clearing and letting my back side be able to work. I’ve been working with that and then some lower-half stuff. It’s been really good, and I’m very pleased about where my swing is right now compared to what it was at the end of the season last year.

      Q: Did you dissect it and look at a lot of film and try to figure it out?

      A: “Along with me, and like I said Mike Brumley and some other guys, they really looked at it and could see what I was doing when I was having success and what I was doing when I was struggling. That elbow, along with my back leg and where my weight was, as far as evenly throughout my foot, those were the two big things. It felt like when things weren’t going very well, my load on my back leg was more on my toe, so I was pushing forward. Now, we’ve got it evenly throughout my foot, so I think that’s going to be a big difference in being able to recognize pitches late and still be able to put good swings on them.

      Q: To have that success last year and go through that, even though you didn’t finish the season the way you wanted, to know what you can do … there’s plenty of people who go through something like that. Has anyone talked to you about that?

      A: “Not anybody specifically. I knew the failures were going to be there and, like you said, they were longer than I wanted. But I did have some success, and I know what I can do up here, so that’s a big positive for me, mentally, because this game is so hard on you, mentally. Just knowing to trust myself and what I’ve done this offseason, I know it’s going to carry over into spring and is going to bring some upside this year.

      Q: Did they tell you at any point, as far as outfield and third base, when the (Josh) Donaldson situation was going on? Did it change after he signed, or has it always been to focus on both spots?

      A: “They haven’t said anything. I’ve been doing outfield work, and I’ve been doing third-base work. I’m just kind of going into it, ready for anything really.”

      Q: How about the competition (at third base) with Camargo?

      A: “Me and Camargo have a great relationship. He’s a great guy and a great player. It’s going to be fun competing against him in the spring. There’s no tension there, and I don’t see there ever being any tension there. Like I said, he’s a great guy, and we have a great relationship.”

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  549. 891 Gil in Mechanicsville February 4, 2020 at 12:33 pm

    Additionally, Ender better hope his off season conditioning prepared him to start the season like the one in 2017 because I suspect he is on the verge of being Wally Pipped by Pache’.

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  550. 892 Gil in Mechanicsville February 4, 2020 at 12:35 pm

    Hey Gordon… Any reports on Drew’s throwing abilities? Just wondering which outfield position he best slots for.

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    • 893 Vox O'Reasoñ February 4, 2020 at 1:44 pm

      Gil, I’ll jump in here if I can. Waters’ arm rates a 60 (out of 80), which in scouting terms indicates “elite”. His scouting grades are as follows:

      Scouting grades: Hit: 55 | Power: 45 | Run: 60 | Arm: 60 | Field: 60 | Overall: 55

      Excerpt from his current MLB Pipeline description:

      Waters has the chance to be an impactful hitter from both sides of the plate. Mechanical adjustments on his swing, particularly his stride, allowed him to be on time with his buggywhip stroke. He’s better from the left side currently, but has shown the ability to make hard contact and drive the ball both ways, with raw power sure to turn into more consistent in-game pop as he matures. Waters’ plus speed works on the basepaths, where he is a threat to steal, and in the outfield, and he has every chance to stick in center field long-term. He has the chance to be a dynamic, elite-level performer, and seeing a young outfield of Acuna, Pache and Waters — yes, he has the arm and offensive profile for right field — in Atlanta should excite all Braves fans.

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    • 894 Gordon Lawrence February 5, 2020 at 10:30 am

      Off his stats, corner outfield pretty much as ACUNA was before he went up..
      With PACHE in center and ACUNA in right and OZUNA gone in 2021, I would say left, if he’s not traded.
      I gotta’ believe ENDER’s days as a BRAVE are numbered.
      Do I smell an ARENADO trade coming with BETTS now a DODGER?
      3B RILEY, CF INCIARTE, SP WILSON, RP WALKER for ARENADO and some money back to ATLANTA?
      Just a thought not researched……

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  551. 895 Vox O'Reasoñ February 4, 2020 at 1:00 pm

    Wow!

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  552. 896 Carolina Lady February 4, 2020 at 2:53 pm

    CHRIS Klober, HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MY FRIEND!!! We miss you ’round here.

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  553. 898 Gil in Mechanicsville February 4, 2020 at 6:34 pm

    Ditto… Come on back Klubber…

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  554. 899 Vox O'Reasoñ February 4, 2020 at 10:17 pm

    Holy cow the talent on the Dodgers.

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  555. 900 Vox O'Reasoñ February 4, 2020 at 11:15 pm

    On a local note, the Braves signed thick slugging 1B/DH Yonder Alonso to a minor league deal today. On the surface, it makes zero sense. But when you consider he will give AA some flexibility and a mid-spring asset to maneuver with, it makes perfect sense. As for Alonso, he’ll get an invite to spring training to showcase his skills to 29 other teams. If he just wanted a chance, he’s getting one.

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  556. 901 Vox O'Reasoñ February 5, 2020 at 8:50 am

    First, the way that #ningaGM works, we’d never hear about it ahead of time anyway.

    But that fact aside, this one is complicated. On the surface, it’s hard to deny that Kris Bryant would be the better option to place in our lineup at 3B in 2020. And considering the influx of talent pouring into the National League (Mookie Betts to an already loaded Dodgers?), there is precious little room for error in assembling the troops for this campaign.

    But to what cost do you go all in for 2020, and to a lesser degree for 2021? Because KB’s gone in 2022.

    It simply boils down to the prospect cost. If you can make a trade for Bryant without giving up pieces that would be key contributors to this team beyond 2021, then OK. But there is no way I’d include any one of Max Fried, Austin Riley, Cristian Pache, Drew Waters, Ian Anderson, Kyle Wright, or Shea Langeliers. Period.

    If you could pull it off with a combination of talent like Johan Camargo, Bryse Wilson, Patrick Weigel, William Contreras, then I’m OK. But that’s about the height of talent I’m willing to part with.

    And to the effect that is truly a complicated issue, the 2 teams most prominently connected to Bryant right now are the Nats and the Phillies. So there’s that. No vacuum, right?

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  557. 902 Vox O'Reasoñ February 5, 2020 at 9:03 am

    Man, let’s just look at the Dodgers lineup today…

    Mookie Betts, Max Muncy, Justin Turner, Cody Bellinger, AJ Pollock, Corey Seager, Will Simth, Gavin Lux

    And their bench…

    Austin Barnes, Chris Taylor, Kiki Hernandez, Luis Renfigo, Matt Beatty

    Rotation?

    Clayton Kershaw, Walker Buehler, David Price, Alex Wood, Julio Urias

    And a strong bullpen that I won’t list out that features 4 current or former closers.

    Holy cow what a team you can fill when you have no spending limits.

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    • 903 berigan2electricboogaloo February 5, 2020 at 9:29 am

      V, they have an awesome team, at least on paper. IF healthy they should not only win the NL West, bu the NL pennant. I do think 3/5ths of that rotation is a bit suspect, at least physically. Kershaw is awesome during the season, but like Dallas K, (granted, better numbers year in year out) and Kole Hamels, soft tossing lefties have to be absolutely perfect in the playoffs….. Price missed a lot of time last year, Alex Wood barely pitched at all, and Julio Urias is still very young (23) and has already had major arm surgery. But, but….if Walker Buehler, and Julio Urias are healthy, along with Kershaw, and Price….man, that’s pretty stout!

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  558. 906 berigan2electricboogaloo February 5, 2020 at 9:39 am

    It simply boils down to the prospect cost. If you can make a trade for Bryant without giving up pieces that would be key contributors to this team beyond 2021, then OK. But there is no way I’d include any one of Max Fried, Austin Riley, Cristian Pache, Drew Waters, Ian Anderson, Kyle Wright, or Shea Langeliers. Period.

    If you could pull it off with a combination of talent like Johan Camargo, Bryse Wilson, Patrick Weigel, William Contreras, then I’m OK. But that’s about the height of talent I’m willing to part with.

    V, I would think the main advantage we would have over the Nats or Phils is someone like Riley (don’t think the Nats would trade Keiboom (sp) to get him, but who ever knows for sure? And if we got Bryant, where is Riley going to play, anyways? He would likely rot in AAA for 2 full seasons, and would most likely regress…might as well trade him if Bryant came here, right?
    Honestly, Bryse Wilson is the guy I would hate to toss in any deal short of a “impact” starter. He only turned 23 in Dec.
    And I think I showed a few months back, there just don’t seem to be any of those guys out there , that a team would trade away (most #1’s are on competitive teams right now)

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    • 907 Vox O'Reasoñ February 5, 2020 at 9:45 am

      For me, I don’t want to give up Riley. First, I believe he’ll blossom into a true RH power bat for years to come. I don’t want to continuously look at the Cubs down the road and wish we had him back. And he doesn’t have to rot for 2 years. The Dodgers have found a way to utilize a bench that includes Chris Taylor and Kiki Hernandez, players who would be starters on most other teams. I can see Riley spending some time in AAA to heat up again, then coming up to make the occasional start at 3B, LF and even 1B.

      And although I hate to even mention the word, there is the inevitability of injury. We saw it last year. Riley and Adam Duvall, along with Matt Joyce and Billy Hamilton, really saved our bacon in the OF.

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  559. 908 Vox O'Reasoñ February 5, 2020 at 9:50 am

    Let me be clear, though. I would not give up Austin Riley in a deal for Kris Bryant, but I would have no problem including him in a deal for Nolan Arenado. That’s a whole different conversation…

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  560. 909 Vox O'Reasoñ February 5, 2020 at 9:55 am

    I still believe there is a big trade coming for the Braves. The elements are all lined up for it to happen. And it sure is quiet over at 755 Battery Avenue,Truist Park, Atlanta.

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  561. 910 Vox O'Reasoñ February 5, 2020 at 10:01 am

    Just

    days until P&CR.

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  562. 911 Vox O'Reasoñ February 5, 2020 at 10:35 am

    Jon Heyman:

    Pete Rose has petitioned MLB and the Hall of Fame for reinstatement based on the recent Astros penalties. Rose “does not dispute the severity of his violations,” according to the filing, but in light of the recent rulings suggests his lifetime ban is “disproportionate”

    Rose lawyer Ray Genco: “Nothing wrong with how Astros were handled. The game is strong enough now that the punishments of last century aren’t needed to protect the existence of the game. A reinstated Rose is no threat to the game. Moreover, let the voters vote. The BBWAA has never been wrong, and has been the gatekeeper for all players and managers except Pete Rose. And you know that rule change came two years after his punishment, without due process.”

    It’s time. Pete’s actions were wrong, but he never did anything that affected the outcome of any games. Steroid users did. The Astros did. Pete didn’t.

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    • 912 Gil in Mechanicsville February 5, 2020 at 1:45 pm

      I agree fully Vee. Pete use to be one of my favorite players because he was a guy who had a limited talent stack but may up for it with heart and hustle. Something those who are blessed with talent could learn from. What a superstar really is when they don’t just show up but always strive to give it all they have.

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  563. 913 Gordon Lawrence February 5, 2020 at 10:38 am

    Answering GIL about DREW’s arm in case he missed it……..
    Off his stats, corner outfield pretty much as ACUNA was before he went up..
    With PACHE in center and ACUNA in right and OZUNA gone in 2021, I would say left, if he’s not traded.
    I gotta’ believe ENDER’s days as a BRAVE are numbered.
    Do I smell an ARENADO trade coming with BETTS now a DODGER?
    3B RILEY, CF INCIARTE, SP WILSON, RP WALKER for ARENADO and some money back to ATLANTA?
    Just a thought not researched……

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    • 914 Gil in Mechanicsville February 5, 2020 at 1:54 pm

      I could live with that trade. Arenado is an even better third baseman that Vinny Castilla and he was indeed special. What a favorite he would have been in Atlanta if not taken by the Rockies in the expansion draft.

      Denver would be getting some real talent in return but it would also require Atlanta getting some payroll relief too. I expect there is some other franchise in MLB which has no qualms about money who would take him straight up.

      Heck, I would not really mind having Bryant but two years is not really a very long tenure when you consider how long it took for the Braves to find an everyday third baseman following Chipper’s retirement.

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    • 915 Vox O'Reasoñ February 5, 2020 at 2:38 pm

      Do I smell an ARENADO trade coming with BETTS now a DODGER?

      It would not shock me.

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  564. 916 Vox O'Reasoñ February 5, 2020 at 12:05 pm

    The Joc Pederson/Luis Renfigo deal between the Dodgers and Angels is expanding to also include at least P Ross Stripling and OF Andy Pages going from LAD, with prospects coming back from LAA. At least these guys don’t have to worry about moving residences, right?

    FWIW, the Angels will be a far improved team picking up Pederson and Stripling to go along with their big FA catch Anthony Rendon. They are mortgaging the future to go all in now in what should be perceived as a weaker AL West. Another stout lineup in SoCal: Pederson, Trout, Rendon, Ohtani, Upton, Pujols, LaStella, Simba, Castro. But their rotation has old buddy Julio Teheran sitting at the top. Ross Stripling is a huge get for them.

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    • 917 Gil in Mechanicsville February 5, 2020 at 1:58 pm

      I advocated for Joc Pederson last fall but it was really just a pipe dream. He will fit in well with the Angles methinks but poor Albert Pujols is on his last legs. Oh well, those folks in California have a much different concept of money.

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  565. 918 Gil in Mechanicsville February 5, 2020 at 2:01 pm

    Rats… It is raining again. Feeling a bit waterlogged but better than being snowbound I guess.

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    • 919 Gordon Lawrence February 6, 2020 at 10:25 am

      Check!
      Took my VW Convertible out,and did wheelies.
      Get stuck?
      No problem.
      Get a couple kids playing in the street to lift you out of a rut.
      Used to love snow.
      But now I remember my mother’s old admonition:
      “Old man useta’s dead and gone”
      I stay indoors and think it’s pretty.

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  566. 920 Vox O'Reasoñ February 5, 2020 at 4:56 pm

    Gee… how will he ever make it now? 😉

    In all seriousness, how did they not come to terms over $500K? I suppose in the end, the Braves had a limit and an arbiter proved it correct.

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    • 921 Gordon Lawrence February 6, 2020 at 10:30 am

      SHANE GREEN is beginning to sound like a royal pain in the rump in addition to being a solid relief arm.
      We will need him though if MARK MELANCON craps out this season.
      Which I suspect he may.
      CHRIS MARTIN is the relief arm I always thought we needed last season.
      Was pounding the table also for WIL SMITH then, but better late than never in 2020.

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  567. 922 Gil in Mechanicsville February 6, 2020 at 11:57 am

    Braves defeat Shane Greene in arbitration

    I recall hearing Eric O’Flaherty pose that every player should go to arbitration at least once if you wanted to hear the unvarnished truth of what an organization thinks of you. However, he said he did not recommend making a habit of it as your ego will definitely take a hit.

    Now Shane, go out and increase your value or you will find yourself in Baltimore PDQ.

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  568. 924 Gil in Mechanicsville February 6, 2020 at 12:18 pm

    Projecting how a player will perform going into a season is in reality a crap shoot. Just take a look at how the New York Mets’ bullpen imploded last season.

    So, let us hope that the Braves can avoid a similar fate for what looks to be a real strength going into 2020.

    On paper, the Nats look to have the strongest starting staff this season and the Mets a close second. It is possible those two could be reversed without a lot of push-back from this quarter. It is my personal opinion that the Braves starting 5 is/will be stronger than what the Phillies will post up. Then their are the Fish who remains an unknown quantity.

    To me, it will be the relief corp which will be the difference maker in the NL East this year. Lets hope they can be as good as advertised and not just a bunch of smoke blowing out the top of the Tee Pee…

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