50: Tomahawk Choppin’ For the Politically Correct Braves Fan

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by JB

Before I start let, me say emphatically “No this will not be a politically slanted blog.”

I use the term “Politically Correct” as it refers to the general usage of the term and not as a forum to discuss liberal vs conservative, the 2008 election, or my opinion about rising gas prices.

As many of you well know by now, I’m a lifelong Braves fan that grew up in Atlanta and still reside here. I was born up the street from Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium and my earliest memories developed out of that cavernous Launching Pad.

And since 1980, (the year of my birth) I never questioned the usage of a “Brave” as a mascot or even what it was. Thanks to Chief Nocahoma, Homer the Brave, and the joyously expressive early Brave logo,

I knew that we must be an “Indian” team. But I didn’t think much more of it.

Then came 1991.

Now bear in mind. The Braves are the oldest franchise in baseball. They’ve been called the “Braves” since 1912 and have had a tomahawk on their chests since Milwaukee and in Atlanta since 1987.

But with the arrival of Deion Sanders and some success for the first time since 1982, a new kind of excitement was forming around the team and a new phenomenon was sweeping Atlanta that year.

The Tomahawk Chop.

Because of his roots in Florida State, Neon’s Seminole/Braves fans brought with them a fixture that had been a part of Tallahassee Football during every first down at ‘Nole games for years. Now it had been transplanted in Atlanta to become the “Chop”. And with the Braves heading to the playoffs and then to the World Series that year, the nation was taking notice and the Nation (the Native American one, as represented by AIM) was getting mad.

As an 11 year old fiercely opposed to any kind of buzz kill that would dare put a damper on my Braves’ new found winning ways, I could not for the life of me figure out why oh why did AIM pick this year to stage a protest of the Atlanta Braves. I mean we’ve been Braves for … “since ever” my prepubescent my thought. Why now?

However untimely I found the protests, I did start to find their objections somewhat legitimate. Although as a southern white boy, I had never felt offended by the Atlanta Crackers, I did wonder what I would think of a bunch of white metro-Atlantans chanting and waving their arms during an eighth inning rally.

In truth, this blog post isn’t about defending their complaints or making a case that we stop the Chop. For that matter I’m not really trying to make a case either way. I mean we have a cow at Turner Field that now contributes for cryin’ out loud! This is more about coming to terms.

As a Braves fan that wants to respect other cultures, I look for dignity in the ways I talk about or interact with those cultures. But I’ve yet to consider myself “Politically Correct”. I think of PC as a bunch of hogwash because it’s not really respect for other cultures. It’s a paranoid way for us to feel good about ourselves for using terms that are as indirectly descriptive as possible. I mean I’m not trying to be sound like a southern jerk here but I myself am technically a Native American! I was born and raised here! But when I realized how the Braves’ depiction of Native American culture bothered some people I wondered if I was offending people by doing the Chop or wearing Nocahoma’s smiling caption on my chest.

So here’s my conclusion. Braves Nation, and every other baseball team for that matter, creates it’s very own culture. It takes many years to cultivate and it may borrow from the other cultures around it (as the Braves, Indians, Yankees, Brewers, Nationals… or even branch into the NBA and look at the “Celtics”) but simultaneously it develops something entirely unique. When you walk into a baseball stadium, you’re not walking into a mimic or a recreation of any other culture. You’re walking into a culture all it’s own. That’s why we blog about baseball, talk about it, live it and breathe it for 162 games a year. It’s our very own culture. That’s why we get dejected when “we” lose or elated when “we” sweep the Mets. That’s why we get in fights over baseball; it’s our culture against theirs, us against them. And that’s why I don’t think we Braves fans are intentionally or otherwise doing something to mock or defame another person’s culture. Because we’re not parodying someone else’s particular tribe or heritage. We’re celebrating our very own culture that doesn’t just exist at the game but still comes most alive when 50k+ of us are all together, setting aside our differences, and cheering for Our Team. We have also admittedly borrowed some elements from American lore (and yes even stolen from FSU) but it was all done as we created our own distinct culture in Atlanta that is being refined every year. Besides, even if you go back as far as the Ancient Romans, I think you’ll be hard pressed to find many cultures that are entirely made up of completely original elements.

I have observed this in every MLB stadium I have visited. In Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, Houston, they all have a sundry of items that are distinctly “them” that the casual observer like myself finds fascinating. (I’ve noticed the Monkey Nation hasn’t gotten too upset by Anaheim’s use of the rallying simian they display.)

And yes maybe Nocahoma’s Teepee along with Big Victor, Homer the Brave, and the open mouthed, bald, elated Brave are all gone from site. But Atlanta and the Braves have an identity all its’ own. And that’s really all the Tomahawk is about. And maybe the Chop is goofy to you out-of-towners, but it’s a part of what’s unique to us and we’re not trying to offend anyone….Y’ALL!

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815 Responses to “50: Tomahawk Choppin’ For the Politically Correct Braves Fan”

  1. 1 Carolina Lady June 26, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    Many thanks, JB! Much appreciated! 😀


  2. 2 JB June 26, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    Thanks, CL. I hope y’all enjoy this one and a night off for the Bravos.


  3. 3 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 26, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    Interesting lead JB! I had forgotten all about the protests here, and in Cleveland. Very hard to make teams change their names after so many years….some college teams have….can you imagine calling the Braves the Atlanta…..shoot, I can’t even imagine another name! What do you think of when you think of Atlanta?? Pollution??? Millions of people….bugs….the Ants?? the Cockroaches??? Did the Humids win today???
    Of course the Braves was the name of a Boston team….but for 40 years, it’s all people here(and nationwide) know…..


  4. 4 morpheus45 June 26, 2008 at 10:12 pm

    Purists might bring up the Atlanta Crackers, I personally think the Atlanta Yuppies is the most appropriate. But I think the Braves will stick.


  5. 5 morpheus45 June 26, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    BTW, excellent lead indeed JB; even the Romans didn’t really invent squat when it comes down to it; they were known for assimilating good ideas from conquered cultures and improving/implementing them on a greater scale. There are few truly original artists (and many of those who are are not very good IMO); most are “influenced” by others. Such am I with my writing, pitiful as it is. No shame in that.


  6. 6 TennesseePaul June 26, 2008 at 11:06 pm

    Nice JB. I recall those days well. All the hype. I had to keep my Chief under the sleeve for a while. I’ve seen it come back in recent years. Which is nice. Because I love my Tattoo. It was a bummer watching Jane slap her leg. All the memories of the Chief being destorted into things they are not and people forgetting that this is a game intended to be enjoyed.

    Looking forward to the game tomorrow. The one thing I’d like to know though, perhaps CL or others could help, how does the posting work? How does one insert hyperlinks or bold or italics and all that jazz? It took me a while to figure it out for the AJC site… this is a lot different and I’d rather just ask than go by trail or error.


  7. 7 JB June 26, 2008 at 11:13 pm

    You’re kidding you have a tattoo of the Chief? So cool!

    Here’s a site I use for help with html tags, Paul

    Hope that helps.


  8. 8 flbravesgirl June 26, 2008 at 11:22 pm

    Good evening y’all. Good work, JB. The people I know who are of Native American ancestry could care less about the Braves’ name or the Chop. But there’s always someone stirring things up, trying to get their name in the paper. I doubt anyone would ever go after FSU because they’ve always been closely affiliated with the Seminole Nation & have their blessing to use their name.


  9. 9 morpheus45 June 26, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    10Paul, I haven’t tried to do any of it; couldn’t tell you. Except links; I just cut and paste them just like with a word processor.

    FBG, I hear you. Too bad we can’t steal that painted warrior riding a horse out onto the field and throwing down the lance as a challenge. That would ROCK, and put the Braves on the map of ultimate coolness. Of course, FSU would get mad and Ed Mangan would have a stroke.


  10. 10 morpheus45 June 26, 2008 at 11:30 pm

    Can you imagine him standing there, looking at a horse patty on his field and swallowing a handful of blood pressure pills with a shot of bourbon?


  11. 11 JB June 26, 2008 at 11:33 pm

    Well, I’m gonna watch a little Original Star Trek (Season 1) and then go to bed with my pregnant wife.

    Thanks for the positive feedback, y’all!

    Peace to you all and to all a good night.


  12. 12 flbravesgirl June 26, 2008 at 11:34 pm

    When I took the Turner Field tour several years back, we had to take the Ed Mangan pledge: “I will not touch Ed’s grass”.

    That would be cool, Grinch. Even FSU comes up with something good once in a while.


  13. 14 JB June 26, 2008 at 11:41 pm

    I just gotta say one thing before bed. They can digitally remaster it all they want but some of those old 60’s cheesy effects will always remain. Like the awful costumes and the card board rocks.

    That and the nice thick layer of makeup on William Shatner’s face.


  14. 15 flbravesgirl June 26, 2008 at 11:47 pm

    I guess for a fan that’s part of the charm, JB.


  15. 16 chrisklob June 26, 2008 at 11:47 pm

    JB, very nice, thought provoking post. I won’t tell you my thoughts on “political correctness” other than to say that everyone is just too damn sensitive any more.

    What bothers me most about PC and sports teams using Native American nicknames/logos is MY perception of what those names mean. I was never raised to believe that Indians were blood-thirsty killers. I learned that Indians were a proud people, many/most tribes being brave warriors. That, to me, is a positive image and one that Native Americans should be proud of. What’s wrong with that? I don’t see any Ancient Romans complaining about USC using the Trojan logo. Weren’t the Trojans a blood thirsty lot?

    Florida State has the blessing of the Seminole Nation in Florida to use the word “Seminole” as their nickname/mascot because the SN believes that FSU portrays them in a positive light. I can’t speak for every team that has a Native American logo but I don’t know of any that portrays them in a negative light with one exception: the Washington Redskins (sorry Gil). It is my understanding that the name “Redskin” is every bit as offensive to a NA as the “N-word” is to an African American.

    10Paul here’s the link for the text effects page. It’ll show you how to do html links plus italics, bold, emoticons, etc. It’s on the home page but it’s easy to miss.


    Grinch, wouldn’t the Atlantic Traffic be a more suitable nickname?

    Oh, and it would really rock if the painted warrior threw a flaming spear into the opposing bullpen! That’ll mess with their heads! Okay, probably not PC, but whatthehell!


  16. 17 chrisklob June 26, 2008 at 11:49 pm

    JB, you bought any diapers yet? You’ll thank me for it later! 🙂


  17. 18 flbravesgirl June 26, 2008 at 11:54 pm

    Exactly, Chris! I haven’t heard of anyone of Scandinavian descent protesting the Vikings.


  18. 19 flbravesgirl June 27, 2008 at 12:00 am

    Happy Birthday, cousin William Wallace!!! 🙂


  19. 20 chrisklob June 27, 2008 at 12:02 am

    FBG, I don’t hear farm hands protesting the Cowboys. I don’t hear anyone from the SPCA or PETA protesting the use of animal names. I don’t hear abnormally large people protesting the name Giants. I don’t hear the National Meteorological Service protesting the names of the Hurricanes, the Tides or the Storm.

    Using a Native American name is a compliment, not an insult (with the one exception).

    Get over yourselves people. It’s just a damn name!


  20. 21 Carolina Lady June 27, 2008 at 12:02 am



  21. 23 chrisklob June 27, 2008 at 12:13 am

    One last word on this subject. If the Washington Redskins name is offensive to anyone, then the Atlanta Crackers name is offensive to me.


  22. 24 JB June 27, 2008 at 12:16 am

    You may disagree but we’re thinking cloth diapers. Verdict still isn’t out. Also Chris, I can’t remember the last time I heard anything come out of Ancient Rome let alone a complaint about USC.

    FBG, It is definitely part of the charm.

    WW, Happiest of birthdays, my friend.

    I appreciate y’alls feedback. I guess the greater point I really wanted to make was just that sports teams create their very own culture. It’s not really done as a mockery but it evolves from pre-existing cultures.

    But, Chris, those are some good points.

    Atlanta Transplants


  23. 25 JB June 27, 2008 at 12:17 am

    I’m a Cracker too…. so what?


  24. 26 chrisklob June 27, 2008 at 12:18 am

    Totally changing the subject here.

    I need a little help from the denizens at Braves and Stuff. A guy that I used to work with had a stroke on Monday. His name is Francis, he’s 44 years old and is a single father of three. It wasn’t a life-threatening stoke. He’s able to speak (although he’s slurring his speech right now) but he IS paralyzed on the right side of is body. Right now he’s looking at approximately six months of rehab to “get right” and go back to work. His life’s not in any danger per se, but could certainly use the power of prayer from this blog right now. Please keep him in your prayers tonight.


  25. 27 TennesseePaul June 27, 2008 at 12:19 am

    JB: Yes. Ha! I recall my wife asking about it. “Maybe you should check out who this Chief Knockahoma is, make sure he’s not some crazy Indian Chief on a rampage.” I had a good laugh. I said, “you mean, Chief Knock-a-homa?” Her eyes lit up and then she got a little bummed on herself for not catching it the first time. Needless to say I told her there was a good 15 year stretch where the Chief was on a rampage.


  26. 28 JB June 27, 2008 at 12:20 am

    Allegedly he cursed the Braves after being let go and that’s why we sucked in the 80’s…..


  27. 29 JB June 27, 2008 at 12:21 am

    I believe in prayer too. You got it, buddy.


  28. 30 chrisklob June 27, 2008 at 12:22 am

    JB, the crack about the Romans was totally tongue in cheek. At the same time, I’m almost surprised that someone that can trace their heritage back that far hasn’t complained about the name.

    Cloth diapers are certainly better for the environment. I certainly support using cloth diapers. You may or may not know that the “smell” doesn’t come for the first couple of months. Once those first few months pass, let me know how those cloth diapers work out for you, okay?



  29. 31 JB June 27, 2008 at 12:25 am

    I definitely caught the tongue in the cheek. I was just trying to get a good little joke in there. But I have a feeling our PC feelings are similar.

    The environmental aspect of the cloth diapers is what I like and I think they’ll save money over time. I’m gonna crunch the numbers but they would be a little more work.

    I’ll keep you “poopie posted”, ok?


  30. 32 chrisklob June 27, 2008 at 12:26 am

    JB, thank you for the prayers.

    It’s not really done as a mockery but it evolves from pre-existing cultures.

    SOmeone had this point earlier but it was a good one. What in the world is really original? Doesn’t just about everything have some point of inspiration? Most artists, be they musicians, painters, sculptors, whatever, are inspired by someone before them.

    Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.


  31. 33 chrisklob June 27, 2008 at 12:31 am

    JB, my second and last child has been out of diapers for eight years or so. I can’t give you a breakdown of cost between the two any more. However, one thing that hasn’t changed is what goes in those diapers and the difference in how you handle them once they are dirty. I’ve heard from good sources that cloth diapers are not much fun. Not sure how a diaper service might work though. Definitely something to look in to. It may or may not be cost effective.

    You may not know but CL can put up a picture page for you (if she hasn’t done so already). It would be fun for us to see some pics of your wife as she and the baby grow.


  32. 34 Carolina Lady June 27, 2008 at 12:33 am

    JB, the cloth diapers are a good idea – however, they are really hard to get CLEAN without some pretty strong chemicals – and they have to be double-rinsed to get it out. The ammonia odor is especially difficult. And if it isn’t ALL washed out, as soon as it is re-wet, it burns the baby. Just some thoughts. Hillbilly has more recent experience, so maybe he has some updated pointers for you!

    Chris, consider it done!


  33. 35 flbravesgirl June 27, 2008 at 12:33 am

    We had a similar situation in Bradenton several years ago when a small group decided to protest the big local festival, the DeSoto Celebration. I know that ol’ Hernando did not come in peace but I don’t think that’s an excuse for agitators to throw dead fish heads on people marching in the parade. So then the name had to be changed to “Manatee Heritage Festival” & the Conquistadors’ presence was scaled back. Finally the protestors moved on to some other hissy-fit & it’s gotten somewhat back to what it was before. The Conquistadors are the centerpiece again. Besides it’s pretty funny to see all the doctors, lawyers & prominent businessmen in the Crewe dressed in tights, boots, satin puffy-sleeved shirts & shiny helmets with gigundo feathers sticking up.


  34. 36 morpheus45 June 27, 2008 at 12:34 am

    What do you mean you haven’t heard anything lately from the ancient Romans? You tryin’ to tell me you never heard of the Sopranos? Fuggeddabouddit.

    PC is BS; I’m a descendant of Vikings, Dutchmen, Huns (the German kind, not the actual Asian kind), Micks, Scots, Welschmen and Limeys. I’ll make fun of any and all of them as I would anyone else. Bah.

    Chris, I’m a polytheistic pagan heretic but I’ll pray anyway. Many gods may even help as much or more than one.


  35. 37 chrisklob June 27, 2008 at 12:42 am

    Grinch, thank you. Francis could benefit from whatever god(s) you believe in. 😀

    FBG, I remember seeing that on the news a few years back. Seemed pretty ridiculous to me. But then again, I’m not exactly a PC guy.


  36. 38 flbravesgirl June 27, 2008 at 12:52 am

    Pictorial evidence of the funny costumes: http://www.desotohq.com


  37. 39 morpheus45 June 27, 2008 at 12:56 am

    FBG, I just won 1700 bucks betting against the guys who were betting on “Pinks” out of Bradenton an hour or so ago. Just like all the money I won at home on jeopardy, my talents land me nowhere.

    Chris, if it was an intelligent comment about history you heard earlier and you can’t remember who to attribute it to, you haven’t been posting here long enough. 🙂


  38. 40 flbravesgirl June 27, 2008 at 12:57 am

    Really? Congrats!


  39. 41 morpheus45 June 27, 2008 at 1:01 am

    I don’t know what the big deal is about cloth vs. disposable; the NFL playoffs only take up Saturdays and Sundays for a few weeks. Don’t tell me y’all can’t afford both beer and Luvs for about 14 days total. Do I have to teach y’all everything?


  40. 42 morpheus45 June 27, 2008 at 1:01 am

    OK, fair enough, college Bowl games should definitely be included, but still…


  41. 43 morpheus45 June 27, 2008 at 1:06 am

    No, I mean at home vs. a TV show (Speed Network) where a trio of professionals judged how fast a particular car would go in the 1/4 mile of whatever track they have in Bradenton…they guesed elapsed times beforehand just like “Price is Right” and won real cash. I beat them all but one dude for one pass and I didn’t get squat. Trust me, if I’d won 1700 bucks tonight I wouldn’t be typing on a computer.


  42. 44 morpheus45 June 27, 2008 at 1:07 am

    But I’m better than them.


  43. 45 flbravesgirl June 27, 2008 at 1:09 am

    Must be DeSoto Speedway. My uncles & cousins practically live out there.


  44. 46 flbravesgirl June 27, 2008 at 1:16 am

    Time to put the ‘puter to sleep. Good night y’all.


  45. 47 morpheus45 June 27, 2008 at 1:19 am

    I see how it’s gonna be. You’re prejudiced against white folk.


  46. 48 morpheus45 June 27, 2008 at 1:33 am

    See? You don’t even try to deny it. Cracker. That’s right, I called you a Cracker. You bet I did. Now say somethin’ about it to my face, whitey.

    It’s amazing how ignorant and silly that sounds when applied to an intelligent person by an intelligent person. We just don’t talk that way. Not that we can’t defend ourselves verbally or physically if we have to, but we just have better things to do than act the fool. Thankfully. And by “we,” I mean anyone of any color who isn’t a damned fool.


  47. 49 Gil in Mechanicsville June 27, 2008 at 5:23 am

    Good morning all…. Great lead JB… Another well written and conversation stimulating post by a B&S denizen.

    And Chris, don’t worry about me and the Redskins…. It is the current owner that folks from around here find the most offensive, not the name of the team….

    I will refrain from singing the chorus to the Washington fight song but I may hum it a few times… 🙂

    And I will not be offended unless it is meant to be. 🙂


  48. 50 Gil in Mechanicsville June 27, 2008 at 5:32 am

    And Grinch… You may have hit the nail on the head in your observation of “intelligent” … It is the masses to whom the pols pander to and pray that the electorate is not intelligent to realize what a shrill they really are.


  49. 51 Salty June 27, 2008 at 8:54 am

    Chris, if it was an intelligent comment about history you heard earlier and you can’t remember who to attribute it to, you haven’t been posting here long enough.

    😯 A ‘self-serving’ announcement!?! LOL!


  50. 52 Hillbilly June 27, 2008 at 9:23 am

    My advice to you is go disposable and have plenty of Baby showers. You’ll get so many packages of diapers, you won’t have to spend a dime for months. Hillbilly junior is almost 7 weeks old and we haven’t even used 1/3 of the diapers we got from showers. Also if you register at Wal Mart and you have lazy friends and family like everyone else does, you’ll get a couple hunderd dollars worth of gift cards….That equals plenty more diapers and formula. If you do decide to go disposable, don’t get too cheap if at all possible. Cheap diapers are cheap for a reason….they leak. You’ll wind up changing his/her clothes with every diaper and washing detergent costs money too. Pampers Swaddlers are pretty good. We haven’t had any leaks yet out of them.

    Now that I’ve spent the past 5 minutes of my life discussing diaper theories, it’s time to attempt to re-establish my manhood with random masculine banter:

    Budweiser, Fried Deer Steak, GoodFellas, Waylon Jennings, Baseball, Winchester Supreme, Die Hard, Buffalo Wings, Rage Against the Machine, John Wayne, Barbecue Sunflower seeds………restored.


  51. 53 Voice of Raisins June 27, 2008 at 9:40 am

    random masculine banter: Budweiser, Fried Deer Steak, GoodFellas, Waylon Jennings, Baseball, Winchester Supreme, Die Hard, Buffalo Wings, Rage Against the Machine, John Wayne, Barbecue Sunflower seeds………restored.

    I suddenly have an urge to scratch and go spit on something… 😀


  52. 54 Voice of Raisins June 27, 2008 at 9:40 am

    Oh, and Happy B’day, WW!!!


  53. 55 Salty June 27, 2008 at 9:55 am

    I suddenly have an urge to scratch…

    Gold Bond…Benadryl! 😆


  54. 56 Salty June 27, 2008 at 9:55 am

    Yes, Happy Birthday, WW!!!!


  55. 57 JB June 27, 2008 at 9:57 am

    thanks for the diaper advice, Hillbilly. I’m gonna do a little more research (if that isn’t the nerdiest thing in the world) and decide on the cloth/disposable. Chris had some very good points and it sounds like the cleaning may be a hassle. I’m just trying to be more conservationalist these days.

    …Spitting, Lonesome Dove, Steve McQueen, Clint Eastwood, George Strait, a PITCHER of Budweiser…


  56. 58 Hillbilly June 27, 2008 at 10:25 am

    No problem JB.

    Now, baseball news. A few prospects are having good weeks on the farm.

    In his last 8 games, Jordan Schafer is 13 out of 30 (.433) with 5 doubles, 1 triple, 8 runs scored, 9 RBI, and 8 walks.

    In his last 8 games, Gorkys Hernandez is 14 out of 37 (.378) with 9 runs, 4 doubles, 1 HR, 6 RBI, and 4 walks.

    In his last 10 games Tyler Flowers is 10 out of 31 (.323) with 11 runs, 1 double, 3 HRs, 12 RBI, and 12 walks.

    In his last 10 games Freddie Freeman is 13 out of 38 (.342) with 8 runs, 3 doubles, 3 HRs, 10 RBI, and 4 walks.


  57. 59 Hillbilly June 27, 2008 at 10:26 am

    That wold be .378, not .378)


  58. 60 JB June 27, 2008 at 10:32 am

    I hear-ed there was a no hitter from Hanson down on the Mississippi farm last night.


  59. 61 Carolina Lady June 27, 2008 at 10:52 am

    “Now that I’ve spent the past 5 minutes of my life discussing diaper theories…” Hillbilly, your knowledge and experience just proves that you are more advanced culturally and are able to help out a fellow…..uh, fellow. Or guy. Person. Daddy. One of those oughta fit! 😆 (How is that little guy?)


  60. 62 Hillbilly June 27, 2008 at 10:54 am

    Yeah, it was Wednesday night. Total domination: 9 innings, 0 hits, 3 walks, 14 Ks.


  61. 63 Hillbilly June 27, 2008 at 10:56 am

    He’s doing fine. He went to the doc yesterday. He went from 7 lbs 0 ozs, to 10 lbs 8 ozs in only 4 weeks.


  62. 64 Carolina Lady June 27, 2008 at 10:59 am

    Super, Hillbilly! Photos would be welcome!! hint-hint-hint 😀
    Righty or lefty? Shortstop? Catcher? Outfield??


  63. 65 Voice of Raisins June 27, 2008 at 11:06 am


    Look! Up in the sky! It’s a bird! It’s a plane! It’s SuperHillbilly!

    Faster than a speeding shotgun shell. More powerful than a ’69 Pontiac GTO! Able to leap tall 4WD pickups in a single bound! It’s SuperHillbilly! 😆


  64. 67 Voice of Raisins June 27, 2008 at 11:13 am

    Howdy! 😀


  65. 68 Hillbilly June 27, 2008 at 11:19 am

    Yeah, I’ll get some more pics uploaded hopefully soon.

    You’re special. {shaking head}


  66. 69 Voice of Raisins June 27, 2008 at 11:21 am

    CL: Mrs. Raisins got some pretty good pics of the raisinettes at the Braves game Wednesday. If I can pry the camera from her, I’ll upload a couple and send ’em to ya for my pics page. Got a good one of the cow, too, I think…


  67. 70 Voice of Raisins June 27, 2008 at 11:21 am

    Er… I should specify the CHOPPING cow…


  68. 71 Voice of Raisins June 27, 2008 at 11:23 am

    You’re special. {shaking head}

    Hey, thanks… I think…


  69. 72 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 27, 2008 at 11:25 am

    Happy Birthday WW! You better show up today, what with all the congrats and all! 😛


  70. 73 Carolina Lady June 27, 2008 at 11:36 am

    Would LOVE to have some more pics!!


  71. 74 Gil in Mechanicsville June 27, 2008 at 11:52 am

    Happy birthday WW…


  72. 75 Gil in Mechanicsville June 27, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    And oh by the way…. Richmond lost again last night 4-1. They were swept in a 4 game series against the Red Sox. That makes them losers of 9 of their last 10 games… Folks, that is a serious slump….. Of course, half of their line up is playing everyday in Atlanta as well as the pitching staff so I would suppose it is to be expected.


  73. 76 Carolina Lady June 27, 2008 at 12:30 pm

    Has PETA or ACLU filed a complaint about the cow yet?


  74. 77 Salty June 27, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    Probably won’t be long ’til they do. It chops from the right; if the left, they’d leave it alone! :mrgreen:


  75. 78 Carolina Lady June 27, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    I just read where SPAIN is giving full rights to great apes. 🙄

    “Spain’s parliament on Wednesday voiced its support for the rights of great apes to life and freedom, Reuters reports.

    Spain adopted this new policy at the behest of the “Great Apes Project,” a plan developed, in part, by Peter Singer and other philosophers and scientists who say the animals deserve the same rights as their closest genetic relatives.

    A professor of bioethics at Princeton University’s Center for Human Values, Singer attacks “speciesism,” which he defines as the belief that being a member of a certain species “makes you superior to any other being that is not a member of that species.” He has also stated that a “severely disabled” infant may be killed up to 28 days after its birth if the parents deem the baby’s life is not worth living.

    Spain’s environmental committee of parliament approved the resolution with cross-party support. If the resolution becomes law, it will mean that potential experiments on apes will be banned within a year. In addition, apes used for commercial purposes, filming or circuses would also become illegal.

    “This is a historic day in the struggle for animal rights and in defense of our evolutionary comrades, which will doubtless go down in the history of humanity,” Pedro Pozas, Spanish director of the Great Apes Project, tells Reuters.

    “We have no knowledge of great apes being used in experiments in Spain, but there is currently no law preventing that from happening,” Pozas notes.

    Apes in Spanish zoos, of which there are currently 315, will remain legal, according to the legislation, but living conditions reportedly will improve substantially.

    © 2008 Newsmax. All rights reserved.”

    If they give them full rights as humans, that ‘freedom’ part would give me pause. Freedom from what and to do what? Is someone’s job in jeopardy?? 😯 😆


  76. 79 Carolina Lady June 27, 2008 at 5:34 pm

    The thought just came to mind that we here in America have a bunch of ’em in this place we call Washington…….. 😀


  77. 80 Gil in Mechanicsville June 27, 2008 at 5:37 pm

    bada bing….. 🙂


  78. 81 Carolina Lady June 27, 2008 at 5:55 pm

    Oh! Can they PITCH???


  79. 82 williamwallace June 27, 2008 at 5:59 pm

    Thanks for the birthday wishes everyone. Great lead JB.


  80. 83 williamwallace June 27, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    Hey, an article I wrote about Frenchy got picked up by foxsports.com:



  81. 84 williamwallace June 27, 2008 at 6:37 pm

    JB, I don’t think most Native Americans care two flips about the use of the CHop or the Braves name. It’s just a bunch of bored special interest groups with nothing to do, money and time to burn, who need to justify their meaningless existence by griping.


  82. 85 Carolina Lady June 27, 2008 at 6:52 pm

    Congratulations, ww!!! THAT is something to crow about! Excellent article! Way to go!!

    And you’re right about Native Americans, otherwise known as Indians, ’cause half of me is one. 😀 Not one person that I know of gives it even a passing thought.


  83. 86 Carolina Lady June 27, 2008 at 7:02 pm

    reminder: SALTY, CHRIS, and GRINCH – you’re up next! 😀


  84. 87 williamwallace June 27, 2008 at 7:44 pm

    Thanks CL.

    And obviously by “meaningless existence” I meant the special interest groups and not the Native American/Indians themselves.


  85. 88 Gil in Mechanicsville June 27, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    Great piece WW… So many talented bloggers, so little time….


  86. 89 Salty June 27, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    WW…wow! You’re a published author, and CL wants me to do what? Write a lead?

    When did my TV switch to Little League? Oops 😳 Never mind…it’s Lillibridge. Shock troops are off to a good start…Jurjens is dealing.

    Enough rambling…later gaters, taters, ‘maters, and ‘Mets Haters’! :mrgreen:


  87. 90 Gil in Mechanicsville June 27, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    and Jair is bringing it tonight. Tex has his A game going… Let’s go Bravos


  88. 91 Salty June 27, 2008 at 8:06 pm

    By the way, on a bit more serious note: has anyone heard from ‘Pappy-Paladin-SkyHawk-008’? Buddy, if you’re lurking, I’m mad cause you haven’t chimed in of late. Look, even harassment from you is better than no attention! 😡 For crying out loud, Grinch laid a Clumpson on me the other day, that should have been sufficient to pull him out of hiding.

    If he isn’t lurking, again…anyone heard from him? I e-mailed him the other day…no response…and nothing from him in two weeks. Football season hasn’t started has it? Don’t want to say I’m concerned, but…ok, I am.


  89. 92 chrisklob June 27, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    WW, first of all, Happy Birthday! Secondly, congrats on being published! That is so cool. When did they tell you to expect your check?

    Salty, I got an email from Pappy a few days ago. I responded and asked where he was/are you okay, etc. Never heard back from him.


  90. 93 Carolina Lady June 27, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    Hey, Salty! Pappy is fine; I hear from him via email. And I miss his blogging, too! 🙂

    ww, I knew what you were referring to and took it no other way. And you’re right about the self-interest groups. “Look at me! I’m on the TV at my very own press conf’rence! A cele – uh, cle – uh, celebrity!! Yesterday I couldn’t spell it and today I are one!”


  91. 94 Carolina Lady June 27, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    Question: what is a ‘Base-Running Coordinator”???


  92. 95 Salty June 27, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    OK…thanks! Then, I was kidding! He’s just an ol’ jerk! :mrgreen:


  93. 96 Salty June 27, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    *Question: what is a ‘Base-Running Coordinator”???*
    Very important in T-Ball! 😆


  94. 97 Carolina Lady June 27, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    The feed I’m watching has the announcers interviewing Devon White and he said that’s his current position with whatever club he’s with. ???????


  95. 98 Gil in Mechanicsville June 27, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    Braves are on Sports South tonight…


  96. 99 Carolina Lady June 27, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    and I wish I could get Sports South! 😀


  97. 100 Gil in Mechanicsville June 27, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    Joe and Jon are in rare form tonight…


  98. 101 Carolina Lady June 27, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    Color me jealous! These 2 guys I’m listening to are enough to make you want to turn the vol. off!


  99. 102 williamwallace June 27, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    Unfortunately, no check for that article. The satisfaction of getting something out there is enough for me. I’m kind of mad though because I submitted it two weeks ago so some of the stats are dated which makes parts of it not sound right. But whatever. It’s cool anyway. They also didn’t even tell me they had put it up. I actually found out on DOB’s blog because Robert (Chipper is the Best) had commented on seeing a “very interesting article” on foxsports.com. I went over there looking and found they had published my article and that was the one RCIB was talking about. Strange but funny way to find out. I still have not heard back from them but … whatever. It makes me happy to get something out there. Okay, it’s my birthday, so I need to be headed out now. Have a good night everyone. Go Braves!

    Triple for Brandon Jones!


  100. 103 Gil in Mechanicsville June 27, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    Base running coordinator… sounds like a position Braves could employ.


  101. 104 Carolina Lady June 27, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    Especially after that last play.


  102. 105 Gil in Mechanicsville June 27, 2008 at 8:49 pm



  103. 106 Gil in Mechanicsville June 27, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    Gotay saved a double on that play


  104. 107 Carolina Lady June 27, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    Didn’t he though!? 🙂


  105. 108 Gil in Mechanicsville June 27, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    Okay, Josie says it’s time to slice the watermelon… Catch ya’ll later…


  106. 109 morpheus45 June 27, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    The filter ate an earlier post.


  107. 111 Carolina Lady June 27, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    Filter is empty, Grinch –


  108. 112 Carolina Lady June 27, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    Announcer: “Now they have to face the big slugger, Jeff Francoeur.”


  109. 114 flbravesgirl June 27, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    Good evening y’all. What a game for Jair. Did it look as impressive as it sounded?

    WW, my dad was telling me about your article earlier today. Wait ’til I tell him that’s one of our bloggers.

    Heading home in the morning. I hate to leave. I probably won’t be back up ’til Aug. (There were hundreds of fireflies in the yard tonight.)


  110. 115 flbravesgirl June 27, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    OK, good night!


  111. 116 ssiscribe June 27, 2008 at 11:34 pm

    Psssssst …

    THREE games out of first place in the NL East. 81 games down; 81 games to go.

    Ladies and gentleman, the Atlanta Braves are in a pennant race.

    Enjoy your evening 🙂

    The Scribe abides.



  112. 117 Gil in Mechanicsville June 28, 2008 at 10:06 am

    Good morning all… Don’t forget, the Braves play day games today and tomorrow…


  113. 118 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 28, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    Gosh, it’s going to take me hours to catch up with all the overnight posts! 😛
    Like Gil said, game on this afternoon, now actually!


  114. 119 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 28, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    Tex has 16 homers, and 62 RBI’s all of the sudden!!!! And that’s with Chipper out a bunch of late…..Imagine how many RBI’s he’d have if he didn’t have a slow start, or had been hitting from the right side….can’t really be too critical of him all things considered.
    And Eckstein goes the other way to make the score 7-5. Where is the braves hitter like him??? He’s always been a guy you hate to see up with a runner on 2nd or 3rd….


  115. 120 chrisklob June 28, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    Ber, this “Tex doesn’t hit until the weather gets warm” is a load of garbage. How did he ever make it through Georgia Tech if that were the case? NCAA baseball starts in mid-February and is basically over by May 31 except for tournament play. That is just an excuse and a sorry one at that.


  116. 121 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 28, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    Chris, I agree….I will say this though, his swing, especially from the right side, looked pretty bad til late.
    And I was saying for months that he should have a ton of RBI’s since Chipper was on base half the time in front of him…it’s just funny that since Chippers been more or less out, he’s stepped it up. Now, if he’d just pull a Andruw, and tell Borass to go away and sign with us, he’d be loved by all! Yeah, that’s going to happen! 😆

    The thing is, we aren’t winning now, just like we didn’t win last year when he was driving in a run a game…and I don’t see what more he could be doing. Slow start, streaky hitter, whathaveyou…he has 62 RBI’s…and on pace for at least 120 RBI’s

    What happens next year??? Who plays 1st??? Diaz??? Kelly Johnson??? Whoever it is, they ain’t gonna drive in the runs like he does. And if Chipper “just” hits .300 next year, we are going to have quite an offensive dropoff….


  117. 122 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 28, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    And yest again, another Lefty turns in a great performance against us.
    So….we need a real, honest to goodness left fielder, correct??? Somehow, you just don’t expect Brandon Jones to keep hitting .300(and has certainly cooled after the red hot start) and Norton is hitting around .200. Is Bobby expecting big things from Diaz when he gets back???

    And how come when we were playing all those games in a row, we HAD to have many arms in the bullpen, even if they weren’t used…but, when you have 3 guys who really should be in the DL(But, can’t go on the DL and heal, that would be silly, no one ever goes on the DL these days!) not able to play, Frenchy purely unable to hit….why can’t we send down a arm in the bullpen for a few days and bring up Josh Anderson, just to have some options???

    And why was McCann not batting behind Tex today????

    So many questions, so few answers…..


  118. 123 Gil in Mechanicsville June 28, 2008 at 6:32 pm

    One reason teams are reluctant to send a guy down is they have to wait 10 days before they can recall him to majors.

    Bad Tim showed up today.. 😦

    Now Jo Jo is going to have to really pitch well Sunday for the Braves to maintain their pace.

    Still, this team is hanging on by a thread with so many guys out…

    And one thing I will give to Tex is he plays a great defense at first base. Best by far in Atlanta since the Big Cat occupied the position.


  119. 124 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 28, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    Gil, I understand that to a point….I guess I should say for 10 days then??? We have called up pitchers a few times this year in emergencies…this just isn’t smart. What happens if Gotay or Lilibridge got hurt??? Corky at short??? DOB said there was a chance Yunel might go on the DL…but, 3 guys short is really stupid right now…..What if a game went extra innings????


  120. 125 morpheus45 June 28, 2008 at 9:03 pm

    Greg Norton hitting in between Tex and McCann is absolutely inexcusable. Nobody else would do that ANYWHERE, for obvious reasons, and the obvious situations for that to be exposed came up more than once and the obvious happened. Even Brian Jordan, who owes about three extra years on the end of his career to Bobby playing him when he should have been retired, was stating the obvious in the post-game show. Folks, we’ll have enough trouble winning as it is without someone doing the equivilant of randomly charley-horsing integral parts of the lineup before the first pitch is even thrown. Mixing up ALL the spots to just try to jump start a stagnant team is one thing; this served no purpose whatsoever that wasn’t completely counter-productive. We may or may not have lost anyway; that’s not the point. That contract extension is looking MIGHTY long right about now.


  121. 126 Gil in Mechanicsville June 28, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    Berigan… I would say the Braves would be in deep dodo… I hope some of the pitchers remember how to play the outfield. In all seriousness, I think the Braves have a very small margin for error right now.


  122. 127 Gil in Mechanicsville June 28, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    Well, at least the Mutts lost today… We are still in 3rd 🙂


  123. 128 Gil in Mechanicsville June 28, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    Brian Lawrence was lit up like a Roman candle tonight in his start against Charlotte. 7 runs on 10 hits in five innings and it wasn’t that close. Perhaps he can get a job throwing BP but it is mystifying to believe this guy is going to be an effective major league pitcher..


  124. 130 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 28, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    Grinch, and if you read what the “experts” say that don’t watch the team on a day by day basis, Cox is a genius for keeping them in the hunt with so many pitching injuries. Since we have(Or is that had after the 9 runs today?) the best ERA in the NL…credit goes to the AAA and major league pitching coach, IMHO….

    Gil, right you are…that’s why getting someone like the untier, Xavier Nady or Jason Bay would make this team a lot better, and make Bobby smarter. Or less stupid! 😕

    If we wait til July 31st, it will be too late. Someone will eventually run away with the division…..


  125. 131 flbravesgirl June 28, 2008 at 10:32 pm

    Good evening y’all. Safely back home here. Sounds like this was a good game to miss.


  126. 132 morpheus45 June 28, 2008 at 11:20 pm

    Indeed. Runner on base with 1st base open (and outs, due to nobody trying to move the runner over) and they walk Tex. Why? Because Norton’s protecting him. That’s right; career bench guy hitting .240 instead of McCann, who’s hitting .344 against lefties. McCann’s protecting Norton instead, for some Alzheimer’s related reason. Rally over.


  127. 133 morpheus45 June 28, 2008 at 11:21 pm

    Opposing managers must cackle with glee when they see stuff like that coming up; it’s like a stranger handing you a Best Buy gift card.


  128. 134 flbravesgirl June 28, 2008 at 11:31 pm

    Isn’t anyone in the front office concerned about Bobby’s decision-making?


  129. 135 morpheus45 June 28, 2008 at 11:40 pm

    They’ve got to be, privately. Remember, I’ve been a major Bobby fan for years. Still love him. But when Granddad the silent war hero who everyone’s supremely respected for years all of a sudden starts randomly talking about wildly inappropriate things at dinner parties you can only pretend it’s not happening for so long. DOB can only sneer at and pity people who start raising obvious questions so long before either the organization makes a move they don’t want to or his journalistic integrity finally keeps him from sleeping at night so long he suddenly becomes the White Sox beat reporter in the middle of the night. This won’t continue TOO much longer, one way or the other, though I admit Atlanta continues to amaze me at what they’ll put up with in general compared to other major cities.


  130. 136 flbravesgirl June 28, 2008 at 11:46 pm

    A little too much Southern politeness perhaps? I know how you feel. I love Bobby dearly but I find myself seriously questioning his mental capacity.


  131. 137 morpheus45 June 28, 2008 at 11:56 pm

    Yeah, now’s the perfect time for him to be hanging out at his vacation home, sitting back with a cigar and telling stories about baseball. I’d trade some valuable things to be first in line to hang out and listen. But someone else needs to be discretely filling out the lineup card and radioing signals into his hearing aid about bullpen moves if he’s gonna stay in the dugout. ALL of this citiy’s pro sports franchises consistently underachieve, and the Braves are considered by far to be our best team. We’ve been a .500/3rd place club for 2 1/2 years, and I don’t think that’s indicative of our talent.


  132. 138 flbravesgirl June 29, 2008 at 12:01 am

    I’m just not sure who that someone else would be.


  133. 139 morpheus45 June 29, 2008 at 12:06 am

    The freakin’ cow would work at this point. “Moooo-ve thuh runnur ovur.”


  134. 140 flbravesgirl June 29, 2008 at 12:16 am

    The cow talks too?!?


  135. 141 morpheus45 June 29, 2008 at 12:30 am

    Of course. That’s probably where Bobby gets his signals. 🙂


  136. 142 flbravesgirl June 29, 2008 at 12:34 am

    Wow. The stuff you miss by not getting the home broadcasts.


  137. 143 flbravesgirl June 29, 2008 at 12:57 am

    OK, I need to go straighten the kinks out of my back before sleep. Good night y’all.


  138. 144 morpheus45 June 29, 2008 at 1:09 am

    I need to go straighten the kinks out in my personality. I’ll be back when I’m dead. 🙂


  139. 145 chrisklob June 29, 2008 at 1:18 am

    Unfortunately we can’t blame the cow for telling Bobby to bring in Acosta tonight. I thought for a moment that perhaps the cow was doing the chop with its right hoof and BC thought that meant to bring in a RHP but they aren’t at home this weekend so that couldn’t be it. Maybe someone sent him a video on his I-phone and he thought that was a message from above.

    I’ve gotta say we were lucky to win last night with the short bench. To lose today is no surprise due to the same reason. We’ll see about tomorrow. Hopefully good JoJo shows up.

    It’s a shame that Frenchy can’t have a seat for a few days. He desperately needs it. Unfortunately, there’s no one to replace him at this point.


  140. 146 morpheus45 June 29, 2008 at 1:26 am

    Bobby might call Jordan back out of the broadcast booth. I’m gonna take your advice, Chris, and go drink some more Maker’s Mark. Times aren’t bad for all of us, apparently, and I just got a present. The red wax drippeth, and my last Macanudo shall be fired.


  141. 147 morpheus45 June 29, 2008 at 4:41 am

    It’s 4:40 in the morning; do you know where your team is? Time for Korn.

    Braves bullpen. Killer song, but “Coming Undone” is all too apropos.


  142. 148 Savannah Guy June 29, 2008 at 9:58 am

    Folks, with Bobby behind the wheel for at least one more year after this one, I’m afraid it’s going get a lot worse, a lot uglier, a lot more frustrating, more mind-boggling and a lot sadder before it gets better for the Braves team. No, forget sad… I’ll reserve that for situations where tragic accidents or bad things happen that are out of anyone’s control.

    It may feel like it, but it’s not really tragic when our favorite sports team seems lost and it’s not an accident when a manager and his bosses don’t have the good sense to say, ‘it’s over, get out while the gettin’s good, thanks for the memories’, let’s celebrate your career and such.

    No, unfortunately this story seems to be playing out a bit differently than a Hollywood script with a happy ending. Bobby Cox is not leaving anytime soon. Since I have to watch the Braves (my choice), I have to see Cox making mistakes in every game. Given that, I can’t help but comment on it and try to find a clue as to why this is happening. Perhaps Bobby it’s a physiological problem causing his repeated lapses of judgement. Only his doctor knows his condition, so I won’t speculate around that issue.

    Perhaps there’s a clue in a prior incident in his life back in ’95, where a ‘battery’ of reports were slapped in the newspapers (not sure if AJC reported it). Look, I won’t judge him personally, but based on his demonstrated behavior on and off the field, I expect he has no desire to move upstairs to the executive suite or retire and have more time or a ‘personal’ life with his wife and family.

    Perhaps there is another clue to be found in the executive offices. Terry McGuirk is a good ol’ TBS boy from way back. Does he have a clue? John Schuerholz is heralded as the GM with the golden touch. Bobby Cox is heralded as the HOF manager with 14 pennants. Without Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz and Avery (before dead arm), would anyone be talking about how brilliant JS was and how BC was a HOF lock?

    Now we have Frank Wren, who worked for the Florida Marlins car dealership, in charge of dumping all new and used cars for cash. Then he went to the Orioles. Seems in Baltimore he was in the business of buying used cars and paying way too much for them. Seems the Albert Belle-mobile wouldn’t hit on all cylinders and Frank was fired after his first season. Then he migrated south again to the office of John Schuerholz. For eight years under JS he was indoctrinated, uh, taught the ‘way of the Braves’. Now he’s in charge as GM. Does he have a clue?

    Stan Kasten was the leader of the Braves and served as President until 2003. Then, he got the hell out of Dodge. Maybe when he left, he took logic, reason and leadership with him. Maybe he was the puppet master. Maybe he saw the writing on the wall. Maybe he had a clue. Maybe Washington will be the team to watch in the coming years. Who knows?

    When logic and reason are not apparent or demonstrated in business, sports or life and the same kinds of failures are repeated over and over and over, it’s just in my nature to look for clues. Can’t help it… just hard-wired that way.

    In the AJC the other day, Mark Bradley wrote an article titled, “Cox won’t let Braves fall apart”. It was a PR job. I could help but post a comment there (July 27, 10 am). The Atlanta media continues to be clueless or for some reason enabling when it comes to the Braves. It’s like the aquarium and Cyclorama… everything is always great. Tourism dollars you know… it’s that Chamber of Commerce, ‘masters of contrived enthusiasm’ thing.

    Later, Bradley posted a few comments, defending his Cox premise. In one odd post, comparing the Cox situation to the Johnny Bench retirement, he wrote, “We in Atlanta will experience the same sensation (missing when gone) when Bobby Cox retires. The things we take for granted will suddenly become major issues again, and the things we gripe about won’t seem very important. In sum, we will miss Cox like crazy.”

    So, that’s an example of the AJC talking points I presume. It just keeps getting thicker. Wait until Bobby does something like go out and argue with an ump over a controversial call that went our way or some other ‘obvious’ slip that can’t be positioned as anything other than plain confused and befuddled. It’s going to get more and more difficult to spin the stories.

    When it gets too embarrassing, look for more ‘HOF Bobby’ talk coming to a newspaper near you, that is, if you live in Atlanta or read AJC online. Whether or not we miss Cox in the way Bradley offers is arguable. Besides, Bobby Cox can control that sentiment with his actions and when he decides to do the team a favor and hang it up. I for one am looking forward to missing Bobby.

    Regardless of when Cox leaves or whether Braves win or lose, no matter the ineptitude on the bench or ‘upstairs’ in the corporate offices, I’ll always be a fan of the players on the field that wear the Braves insignia on their jersey. In that, I need no clues, logic or reason, other than they are my team.


  143. 149 Savannah Guy June 29, 2008 at 10:04 am

    Haven’t been around much of late, but wanted to say ‘hey’ to all Stuffians and tell JB I enjoyed reading his lead. Good job.

    Also a very happy birthday to Carolina Lady’s Mom. A big birthday wish, a big cake and lots of candles for her today.


  144. 150 morpheus45 June 29, 2008 at 12:30 pm

    Oh, my head…


  145. 151 Savannah Guy June 29, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    … my last Macanudo shall be fired.

    Could be the head hurts because of guilt associated with firing several members of a hard working immigrant family. Dunno, maybe they needed to be fired. :mrgreen:


  146. 152 morpheus45 June 29, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    Yes, last night in the wee hours I felt so much like Smiley Whiplash that I just had to randomly fire some of my numerous house-staff. I told them at 1:30 AM while they were blacking my boots as usual, which is one of the many tasks I put them to when it’s not hot enough outside for yardwork. Sleep is not permitted at Grinch Mansion, except by me and Grinch Pup. No green cards, no rights.


  147. 153 morpheus45 June 29, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    Grinch Pup will now be set to watch the new crew work and bite them if they try to take a break, while their daughters feed me grapes in preparation for a nice Sunday afternoon nap (for me, not them). G’night, all…


  148. 154 Savannah Guy June 29, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    Grinch is being fanned by palm fronds while grapes are being peeled by beautiful servants and handmaidens. Life of Riley stuff. Grinch must have a hammock.

    The Grinch requires green cards? Ironic.


  149. 155 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 29, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    SG, I don’t “get” Bobby at all….I hear him after a game, and sometimes he actually sounds…smart!!! Then you see stuff like McCann yesterday NOT protecting Tex…why??? As Grinch pointed out, McCann hits .344 against them…yet he is thinking he’s a lefty, we always have McCann bat lower in the order….just goofy.

    And Gotay ain’t hittin’ anymore….191 as of the first two a.b’s Last year he hit .295. Someone’s gotta be Pete Orr, eh what???


  150. 156 Savannah Guy June 29, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    I don’t “get” Bobby at all….I hear him after a game, and sometimes he actually sounds…smart!!!

    Bear, could be it’s just your meds or maybe your TV need adjusting or something. Maybe ask your doctor about this condition or adjust the TV volume or something. :mrgreen:


  151. 157 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 29, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    Chris, why don’t they send Acosta down for a few weeks??? I also have a bone to pick with the pitch selection. He threw two great sliders, then threw a 3rd one, not as good….guy(Was it Vernon Wells?) has to expect a slider….. He was throwing 97, so I guess the rest helped from that standpoint. 2 weeks in the minors would help the old confidence.

    Gee, 1st and 2nd, no outs, and we didn’t score??? Who could have seen that coming?? Just a run of bad luck, last 3 years…it’ll even out….


  152. 158 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 29, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    SG, 😆 I haven’t been sleeping well of late, could that be related to thinking he sounded wise???


  153. 159 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 29, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    I think Lilibridge lies about his age….I have NEVER seen anyone 24 look as young as him! And he’s so….small.

    Get the feeling this game will be 0-0 in the 9th????


  154. 160 Savannah Guy June 29, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    McCann, make’em pay for walking Tex…


  155. 161 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 29, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    He battled at least….


  156. 162 Savannah Guy June 29, 2008 at 2:43 pm


    Well, hit or not, at least Mac knows how to make a pitcher work


  157. 163 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 29, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    Well, no keeping that fabulous Toronto offense off the board! 🙄


  158. 164 Savannah Guy June 29, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    Chipper would’ve made that play at third and Jo Jo would have a shutout going. Either way, JJ’s already pitched himself a quality start. Now for a string of hits or just one with RISP.


  159. 165 Savannah Guy June 29, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    Pathetic AB by France. Does he look bug-eyed crazed or is it just my TV? 😯


  160. 166 Savannah Guy June 29, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    Can tell France has been hanging around Bobby Cox with that last digout, uh, dugout closeup.

    Even with Toronto moving Norton to third on a wild pitch we can’t capitalize. A gift, rejected. Braves hitters are pathetic right now. Game of inches. Need more wild pitches to score.


  161. 167 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 29, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    Brandon Jones looks over-matched. Lillibridge is way over-matched. Frenchy looks like the spawn of a certain friend of SG’s! 😉

    I wrote Lillibridge was over matched before he struck out, by the by…

    And I hear folks say, we don’t have anyone who could replace Frenchy…ummm, if Anderson came up and hit .270, would that not be better than Frenchy’s .240??? Nah, any day now, Frenchy’s gonna get white hot, yep…any day now….


  162. 168 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 29, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    SG, really hard not to be negative about this team, isn’t it??? The only thing positive is the starting pitching. Reyes has pitched great(Almost sounded like I was blaming him for the run scoring…he shouldn’t have had to worry about one lousy run scoring)

    A.J. Burnett has pitched very well, but still…I just checked, the Braves are the first team he has kept from scoring against him.

    Only reason we are in the race is that the Phillies are 2-8 and the Marlins are 3-7 their last 10 games…

    If one of those teams went on a run like the Twins have of late(didn’t they win 10 straight against NL teams?) the race would be over…

    I mentioned it before, but why if Chipper hasn’t started in 8 days, and neither Yunel or Infante have started in 4 days….why hasn’t someone been DL’ed??? Corky is THE only bench player??? Someone gets thrown out of the game, someone gets hurt, he’s the guy who comes in to replace them ! Insane!!!! No one can pitch hit for anyone, stupid. Beyond stupid. What’s beyond stupid??? Gump???


  163. 169 Savannah Guy June 29, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    Any competent manager with good sense in any sport would have at the very least sat a player down that was so pitiful as our right fielder. No offense, middlin’ to poor defense… and a total lack of self confidence. Just one more way Cox can effect the game, the season and the career of so many. Would Anderson be better defensively? Yes. Would Anderson be worse offensively… not even possible.

    French better get a new tune… and a new ‘tude.


  164. 170 Savannah Guy June 29, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    Now McCann has caught the LOB bug. That’s twice with ducks on the pond. Tex will continue to get intentional walks until Brian makes someone pay. A.J. Burnett has an ERA over 5 this year. Against the current Braves he’s lights out.

    Right now the Braves can turn a Burnett into a Burdett. Not pretty.


  165. 171 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 29, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    They say Chipper can pinch hit…great….who would he pitch hit for the next inning??? Norton? Frenchy? Or B. Jones???What if he tied the game up??? Would he go in left for B. Jones??? Thank God we have so many arms in the bullpen…really needed them here in Toronto…..


  166. 172 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 29, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    SG, let’s have a contest! Let’s see who can be the most negative about the Braves!!! :p

    Let’s have Chipper hit a long one for B. Jones, tie the game up, and have Gotay or Lillibridge in Left for 10 more innings! 👿


  167. 173 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 29, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    With Chipper forced to play SS or 3rd base for 9-10 innings…


  168. 174 Savannah Guy June 29, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    OK, here’s my negative: I see a another one run, road loss in our very near future.


  169. 175 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 29, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    Ladies and gentleman, .239 for Frenchy! How low will it go????


  170. 176 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 29, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    SG, I’m sure you were pretty positive of that happening…..


  171. 177 Savannah Guy June 29, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    Yes… I have a crystal ball. How else could I have made such a bold prediction? 🙄

    French is fried. But our befuddled young ‘garçon’ is sure to start again tomorrow… and the next day and the next. Bobby doesn’t pencil in his club pets, he uses ink.


  172. 178 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 29, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    Since the 20th, Frenchy is 3 for 27. .111 BA. Nope, no one could duplicate those numbers….
    I feel sorry for him. Much more than I did for Andruw last year, and I was feeling pretty sorry for him as well. Thing is, Frenchy doesn’t seem full of him self, he isn’t the guy who needs to be knocked off his high horse….but he is getting knocked down for some reason. Might as well send him down. I think DOB even said he could/should be. Of course, I guess there is always the fear of what if he didn’t hit down there as well…..

    Did anyone see Brian Jordan before the game, talking about how Frenchy’s swing has changed in 3 years??? Doesn’t really look that different to me, but they showed from the side, and how it was very fluid when he came up, now it’s a 3 part swing, toe tap, much busier now…..

    SG, like you said, the team, the game is not the end of the world….not a real problem to root for a team that isn’t very good, with a manager that isn’t what he used to be either…oh well, time to forgot about baseball…at least for a few hours…. later folks!


  173. 179 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 29, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    I lied…back for a sec, was going to close a window, and saw the numbers for Frenchy, and saw ESPN only showed one AB for today, for some reason. So, not quite as hot as I thought….not .111, but .103 since he is 3 for 29….


  174. 180 Savannah Guy June 29, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    More on Cox and French fried ‘taters being managed by him…

    24 and there’s so much more.


  175. 181 Savannah Guy June 29, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    Three quarters and random good stuff on the way out:



    and other shiny things.


  176. 182 Gil in Mechanicsville June 29, 2008 at 6:18 pm

    Gee… Isn’t it funny that French can duplicate Langerhans’ numbers and probably end up with a raise at the end of the season…


  177. 183 Gil in Mechanicsville June 29, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    Great outing by the Braves’ pitching staff today. It’s not their fault the Bravos lost today. Really, the team is very underpowered right now.


  178. 184 Salty June 29, 2008 at 6:52 pm

    JoJo’s snake bit, to say the least. Remember his outing against Milwaukee last month? His record, and Campillo’s should be much better. Frenchy cost a chance today…that very poor at bat after Norton’s double…just move him to third, and Norton scores on the wild pitch…doesn’t matter what Jones and Little-Bridge do! Oh…and why can’t Escobar swing a bat…bunt…take pitch in the ribs, or off the shoulder pad he wears on his elbow? 😕


  179. 185 Salty June 29, 2008 at 6:53 pm

    Bottom line…Richmond came south a year early! 🙄


  180. 186 Salty June 29, 2008 at 6:53 pm

    *Really, the team is very underpowered right now.*
    Must be the ethanol! 😆


  181. 187 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 29, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    Salty, they said during the game that Yunel can’t swing because of the way he lets go of the bat…something like that….left shoulder would take a fair bit of torque batting right handed…..guys need to be DL’ed period. Sounds like Chipper will be DL’ed Tuesday. Now, if he had been when he re injured himself, he’d be back in a week, now he will be gone for 10 days….


  182. 188 Gil in Mechanicsville June 29, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    Oh the humanity… Josie has injured her big toe… Ripped the nail away from the bed while helping her daughter rearrange the granddaughter’s bedroom… I am not sure if it’s day to day or if she will have to go on the DL but for sure she is out of the line up for a few days.

    The problem is I am not sure there is a replacement available… She is pretty much a franchise player for me…


  183. 189 Gil in Mechanicsville June 29, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    Of course the upside is she can no longer outrun me… Bad knees and all…


  184. 190 Gil in Mechanicsville June 29, 2008 at 8:44 pm

    Yes Salty…. and the team left in Richmond has gone south too… Lost another heart breaker (sarcasm alert) 5-1 to Durham today. Rowenhurst took it on the chin, giving up 5 runs (2 earned) on 7 hits in 4 innings of work. Another dreg thrown into the mix to back fill the roster call ups.


  185. 191 Carolina Lady June 29, 2008 at 9:20 pm

    Oh, mercy, Gil! Tell Miss Josie that I hurt for her! How terrible!!! I’m so sorry that happened to her. 😦


  186. 192 flbravesgirl June 29, 2008 at 10:53 pm

    Good evening y’all. ExtraInnings was out today but it sounds like I didn’t miss much… again.

    Ouch, Gil!!! My sympathy to Miss Josie. And y’all remember of course that toes are not to be trifled with.


  187. 193 chrisklob June 29, 2008 at 11:15 pm

    FBG, you missed a pretty good performance by JoJo. He gave up one run. In fact, you could argue that he shouldn’t have even given that one up. Wells scorched one past Lilly at short into left center. Blanco must have been thinking about the chica he met last night because he was flat footed and didn’t react when the ball was hit. For that reason and that reason only did Wells get to second base. If they held him to a single, the game is entirely different.


  188. 194 flbravesgirl June 29, 2008 at 11:31 pm

    And to think we were so worried about the pitching. I’m very proud of the way our young pitchers have stepped up. At least that’s something positive.


  189. 195 morpheus45 June 30, 2008 at 7:46 am

    There’s even an anti-depressant named after toes (Tofranil); I would cation not to trifle with them.


  190. 196 flbravesgirl June 30, 2008 at 11:27 am

    Everybody’s taking the day off???


  191. 197 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 30, 2008 at 12:20 pm

    Appears so! Nothing like losing 2 out of 3 to a sub .500 team, and a day off to shut people up….


  192. 198 flbravesgirl June 30, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    I thought maybe everyone was taking the traditional week-of-the-4th vacation.


  193. 199 Voice of Raisins June 30, 2008 at 1:46 pm


    I’m coming up for air!

    I have been snowed in under an overwhelming amount of work lately, including this morning, which started at 6:30 for me…

    Whew… I gotta get back at it. I just wanted to say, “hey”.



  194. 200 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 30, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    VOR’s theme song???


  195. 201 Hillbilly June 30, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    We don’t all get into Donna Summer. Do you happen to know any old Hank Williams songs? ‘Cause you see I’m a Dinosaur. I should have died out a long time before. Have pity on a Dinosaur. Hand me my hat,…Excuse me man,…Where’s the door?


  196. 202 JB June 30, 2008 at 5:44 pm

    Sup y’all,

    Watchin’ one of my fav. movies w/ Mrs JB. Baby needs to learn all about Ghostbusters @ age 8 weeks.


  197. 203 Gil in Mechanicsville June 30, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    Greetings all, just stopped by to say hi. I have nothing new to add to the conversation but I think Chuck James is pitching tonight.. Will let ya’ll know the results..


  198. 204 lew614 June 30, 2008 at 6:55 pm

    Howdy Y’all-Back from North of the Border. I leave home and a girl gets kidnapped and Randolph is on National News. More news vans here than ever seen in the total history of Vermont.

    Frustrating series in Toronto for sure, but if anyone had any doubts, it should now be quite apparent that the next generation of Braves’ pitchers is alive, well and already on the team. I’ve been going to ML ballgames for the better part of five decades and Jair’s start on Friday is the best pitched game I ever attended-better than the five hitter I saw Art Mahaffey throw against the Cardinals when Pat Corrales was in his first full season and better than a seven hitter I saw Glavine throw against the Expos in Montreal a few years ago. Quite impressive and so was JoJo. Not so sure a stud starter is going to be necessary ove4r the winter, after all.

    The offense is, however offensive and another situation entirely.


  199. 205 flbravesgirl June 30, 2008 at 10:59 pm

    Good evening y’all. Thanks for the report, Lew. I’m feeling pretty good about our young pitchers too.


  200. 206 Gil in Mechanicsville July 1, 2008 at 3:30 am

    Thanks for the updates Lew. unfortunately the Richmond pitching staff is a mess right now. A reflection perhaps that most of the talent available is already in Atlanta.

    I have noticed that many Atlanta faithful are ready to jettison Texieria but to be honest his glove has saved many runs from being scored against the Bravos. So many time folks forget that good defense can make a huge difference in your staff.

    Too bad Mark has such a mercenary streak, often time such players will never realize their dream of playing on a championship team because their desire to make the big bucks prevents an organization from affording the supporting cast so necessary to have a winner.

    I read or heard the other day the comment of how many injuries major league teams have experienced this year… Well DUH!!! take away the HGH and the steroids and their amazing healing powers and you can make a case for their use. Too bad some were intent on abusing them….


  201. 207 morpheus45 July 1, 2008 at 5:21 am

    Gil, amazing how many runs his glove saves. Amazing how many his bat scores. Amazing how little difference it makes DESPITE his mercenary personality. Throw in his mercenary personality (at a time when he makes more in a season BEFORE Boras starts his %^$# than McGwire made in his record-breaking year) and you have a recipe for a dude I wouldn’t ^$$ on if he was on fire. Sorry, just the way it is. If the Braves offer him a penny more than 14 mil/per they’re completely insane, and if they offer him a penny less than 20-22 mil/per then he just gives them the same little sideways snicker he’s given anyone who’s asked how he likes Atlanta and moves on. I say don’t let the door hit him on the way out.


  202. 208 ssiscribe July 1, 2008 at 8:20 am

    Top of the morning, good people, on this, a chilly morning along the southern rim of the capital city. It’s the first morning of July, and yet, I’m enjoying my cigar and coffee on the back patio in house pants and a sweater (what is this? Vermont? Hey Lew, by the way) …

    Yeah, not a pretty picture, the flannel pants and the old long-sleeved sweater with a good stogie and steaming cup of joe on my covered patio amid the bird feeders, the new mongo-sized grill, the hanging plants … work with me here; haven’t done this in a while.

    Now, the homestand (noted transition from the Scribe): The Bravos keep hanging around, with all the injuries (the gory details we won’t rehash here for the sake of brevity). Four games out of first — somehow — as July dawns, and three big ones with the Phillies starting tonight at 755 Hank Aaron Boulevard.

    Braves need to win at least two of three from the Floundering Phils. Great chance at payback for what Philly did to the Braves — or, to be accurate, what the Braves did to themselves — in that meltdown of a series in early June at Turner Field. If ever there was a time for Atlanta to make a statement, this is it.

    After that, it’s three with Houston, three with the Dodgers, and three with the Padres before the four-day All-Star break. Boy, if the Braves can find a way to go 8-4 in this stretch, they’d hit the break one game above .500 (don’t snicker; this IS the NL East, after all, where average baseball reigns supreme) and probably, at worst, a game or two out of first.

    Now, Tex (more transition): I said during the offseason I felt the Braves HAD to re-sign him. Now, I’m not so sure they do. Granted, he’s starting to heat up with the weather getting warm as he always does (does this chilly morning mean an 0-for-4 tonight?), but there simply is no way this franchise should sink $20 million a year into one player.

    He plays great defense, certainly. He’s a heck of an offensive player when he’s on, and even though he’s prone to two- or three-week stretches where he’s quiet at the plate, he also can carry a team for two or three weeks. Braves need him to keep mashing and, with Kotsay and Escobar back in the lineup starting tonight, this team can survive without Chipper for the next two weeks.

    But $20 million a year? Nope. Go chase the cash elsewhere, Tex.

    Now, Frenchy (one more transition … man, I’m tired): As I wrote on http://braves.today.com this morning, it’s time for the Golden Child to take a seat for two or three games. Francoeur is a mess right now, and he’s so intense and emotional, he’s just trying to do too much. That’s the worst thing that can happen to a young player mired in a slump, and Jeffro’s June was abysmal.

    Let him sit for two or three games and get honed in, work in the cage and just relax. There are 79 games to go, and the Braves HAVE to have Frenchy playing like the Frenchy of 2005-07 to stay in the race.

    Gotta jet. Enjoy your day!

    The Scribe abides.



  203. 209 Hillbilly July 1, 2008 at 9:36 am

    Sup y’all,
    Watchin’ one of my fav. movies w/ Mrs JB. Baby needs to learn all about Ghostbusters @ age 8 weeks.

    JB, I introduced my 5 year old to that movie last week. Peter Venkman is one of my favorite all-time comedy characters.

    [To the Mayor] “If I’m wrong nothing happens. We go to jail,…peacefully,…quietly,…We’ll enjoy it. But if I’m right, and we can beat this thing,…Lenny, you will have saved the lives of millions of registered voters.” 🙂


  204. 210 Gil in Mechanicsville July 1, 2008 at 10:58 am

    Good morning all, good to see our old friend the Scribe stop by for a bit of commentary. I agree that the upcoming series with the Phillies with the Phillies is a big one. While it would not be a deal maker or breaker for either team to be swept three games, it would be a serious blow to the Braves to lose this one as they cannot afford to keep falling further behind.

    The injury bug has been particularly harmful to the Braves this year and even a team with a deep farm system is going to have difficulty staying competitive in the face of so many body blows as the Braves have received this season.

    Playing .500 ball between now and the All-star break could be a major accomplishment for the Atlanta nine and should keep them in the hunt for a spot in the play-offs. I am not ready to give up on the season quite yet but the Braves have to be realistic and not hurt their chances to rebuild for the next 5 years at the expense of 2008 that is a stretch at best.

    If trading Tex brings some real prospects to the Braves then I say Get-r-done. One player does not a team make but one player can break a team.


  205. 211 flbravesgirl July 1, 2008 at 11:14 am

    Good morning y’all. Scribe, I agree completely that Francoeur needs a break of at least a couple of games but I’m afraid at this point Bobby will just wait for the All Star break. 🙄

    In other baseball news, a local radio dj announced yesterday “Hell has frozen over. It’s halfway through the season & the Rays are in first place”. People have quit using the word “fluke” . I’m happy for them.


  206. 212 flbravesgirl July 1, 2008 at 11:35 am

    Happy Birthday, Mr. Fly! Getting ready for the 4th/b-day/b-day here (Melissa’s is the 6th). It was even busier when Gran-Gran was still with us, her b-day was the 4th.

    Now I’m sure some of you have bought fireworks. PLEASE be careful. I will be very annoyed with you if you blow yourselves up.


  207. 213 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 1, 2008 at 11:41 am

    Greetings all! Gil, I think you are right, this series is no way make or break for us…even if we lost all 3, 7 out before the break is not insurmountable (Gee, I spelled that right without spellcheck! 😀 ) But, to lose 3 at home, would be more disheartening than being 7 back…Win 2 out of 3, only 3 back!

    Phils have sucked of late, but they are done playing the Major league teams, and is back to AAAA(Well, the NL Least is AAAA, the Central might just be the majors as well)

    And we seem to have the unfortunate luck to run into teams just as they have bottomed out. We are very lucky though, no Cole Hamels(It appears) As I was checking out the schedule, I see the Phils may take Brett Myers out of the rotation! He’s supposed to go in game 3.

    With Kendricks, Eaton and either Myers or some unknown, no reason in the world the Braves couldn’t win 2 out of 3 . Plus, Kotsay is back as well….


  208. 214 Hillbilly July 1, 2008 at 11:58 am

    I’m all for 2 out of 3 vs. the Phillies, but step #1 is: Don’t get swept again.


  209. 215 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 1, 2008 at 12:32 pm

    Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman’s hat

    Guess the Grinch pup would not be popular across the pond, with certain groups….. 🙄


  210. 216 flbravesgirl July 1, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    OK. I read it. Why exactly is that cause for outrage?


  211. 217 Carolina Lady July 1, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    They don’t like dogs and since everything in the universe has to cater to their narrow-minded view of the world, they are ‘offended’ which is not permissible in any instance. Of course, it doesn’t matter that they are extremely offensive themselves. Whining, spoiled bullies. “Cater 100% to us or we’ll riot and kill and destroy.”

    Hmmm, I’ve heard that before somewhere. Oh yes, that is John 10:10 in my Bible: “The thief (Satan) only comes but to steal, kill and destroy…” Pure evil.

    If you like, I’ll really say how I feel about it! 😆


  212. 218 Gil in Mechanicsville July 1, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    I gave up trying to appease zealots long ago. It is not possible to make them happy so I don’t even pretend to try… Does that mean they will try to kill me twice? My definition of turning the other cheek has nothing to do with my face….


  213. 219 Savannah Guy July 1, 2008 at 5:54 pm

    ‘We did not seek advice from the force’s diversity adviser prior to publishing and distributing the postcards. That was an oversight and we apologise for any offence caused.’

    The Brits deserve what they get for allowing the radical Muslims to even have a voice in what occurs in the UK and more so for their stupid apology. They are on a course of annihilation due to their policy of appeasement.

    They need to follow up with a different kind of graphic image on the next postcard, then have the riot troops ready for action. No rubber bullets and no quarter given. But they won’t, since fear and political correctness have consumed the country. Bobbies on bicycles two by two won’t cut it.


  214. 220 Savannah Guy July 1, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    Thanks FBG for the birthday wishes for little Mr. Fly. I’d forgotten it myself.


  215. 221 Savannah Guy July 1, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    Tuesday afternoon and a big game tonight…

    Chipper is in the lineup, as is Kotsay.


  216. 222 Gil in Mechanicsville July 1, 2008 at 7:04 pm

    Chipper being in the line up is a pleasant surprise…


  217. 223 Gil in Mechanicsville July 1, 2008 at 7:15 pm

    Dang,,, Charlie is getting squeezed


  218. 224 Gil in Mechanicsville July 1, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    The first time I saw the rover defense employed was by Washington aginst Brian McCann, now everybody seems to use it against a left handed batter with suspect speed…


  219. 225 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 1, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    Just got back in…..Gil, how much was it the ump not giving Morton much of the plate, and how much of it was he didn’t have it tonight????

    Once again, I seem to be right about stuff I don’t want to be(And does me no good) A good team that has been quite bad, is going to get healthy against us.

    And Hamels will go Thursday, yippee. 🙄

    We better win tomorrow…..


  220. 226 Savannah Guy July 1, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    Bear, the ump was squeezing Morton on the inside to lefties, but he couldn’t keep the ball down and his control was off. Rookie stuff. Next time he’ll be good.


  221. 227 Gil in Mechanicsville July 1, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    Okay… We’ve got a chance to get this within one run…


  222. 228 Gil in Mechanicsville July 2, 2008 at 5:49 am

    Oh well…. Looks like the Phillies bats got healthy tonight.


  223. 229 morpheus45 July 2, 2008 at 7:40 am

    FBG, the card is offensive because rag-heads believe puppies to be ritually and spiritually unclean, though they themselves are ritually, spiritually and physically filthy. An ex-girlfriend of mine went to England a few years back and said there were so many of them around there she couldn’t even enjoy her favorite places and wound up cutting her trip short. That country ain’t what it used to be; thank god the new gun laws here show in at least some ways we’re not following in their footsteps. That instant retraction/apology is physically sickening; they (the Brits AND the Muslims) need a swift kick in their collective arses.

    I finally broke down and posted on the AJC for the first time in several months; Bradley’s latest fluff piece about the Braves this morning and Schultz’s Tuesday countdown. I also made a point on Buck & Kincaide yesterday afternoon that made Kincaide say, “oh, MAN; and I thought I was devious.”

    On Bradley’s piece I noticed a lot of the old regular’s on O’Brien’s blog were calling him out (far cry from the old days) and I took it a step further.

    Off to the gym.


  224. 230 Savannah Guy July 2, 2008 at 8:56 am

    Thirty two years later…

    As much as things change…

    they stay the same…

    while ignorance and apathy reign.


  225. 231 Carolina Lady July 2, 2008 at 9:00 am

    Gentle thoughts for today 😀

    Birds of a feather flock together and poop on your car.

    A penny saved is a government oversight.

    The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the right time, but also to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment

    The easiest way to find something lost around the house is to buy a replacement.

    He who hesitates is probably right.

    Did you ever notice: The Roman Numerals for forty (40) are ” XL.”

    If you think there is good in everybody, you haven’t met everybody.

    If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.

    The sole purpose of a child’s middle name is so he can tell when he’s really in trouble.

    There’s always a lot to be thankful for if you take time to look for it. For example I am sitting here thinking how nice it is that wrinkles don’t hurt .

    Did you ever notice: When you put the 2 words “The” and “IRS” together it spells “Theirs?”

    Aging: Eventually you will reach a point when you
    stop lying about your age and start bragging about it.

    The older we get, the fewer things seem
    worth waiting in line for.

    Some people try to turn back their odometers.
    Not me, I want people to know “why” I look this way.
    I’ve traveled a long way and some of the
    roads weren’t paved.

    When you are dissatisfied and would
    like to go back to youth,
    think of Algebra.

    One of the many things no one tells you about aging
    is that it is such a nice change from being young.

    Ah, being young is beautiful,
    but being old is comfortable.

    Long ago when men cursed and beat the ground
    with sticks, it was called witchcraft.
    Today, it’s called golf .

    Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth…AMEN


  226. 232 Carolina Lady July 2, 2008 at 9:14 am

    Just an observation on Americans:

    Right down the street at the Hess station regular gas is $3.949
    A few blocks the opposite direction at another station, it is $3.959
    At yet another station across from it, gas is $3.999
    Yet, in the midst of all of these is a Shell station where it is $4.029.
    Explain to me WHY do some people go the the highest priced station to fill up??

    No matter which direction they came from, they passed lower priced gas to get to the higher priced gas. I don’t understand – unless they simply have more money than common sense. 😕


  227. 233 Savannah Guy July 2, 2008 at 9:17 am

    Grinch, just checked out your Bradley post. Good post and I agreed with your sentiment. Well, except for the Fox News Bush part anyway. I guess you could’a said NBC-Obama, or both Fox vs NBC and CBS and ABC and NPR… whatever. Point is, the AJC is so obviously playing their PR/Chamber of Commerce role it getting completely absurd. I wonder f Bradley has a TV.

    The other day I read a Bradley lead and just couldn’t hold my tongue either, although I was ‘nicer’ than you. I believe it’s the first time I’ve ever posted under one of his stories but his opinion just had to be countered. Here was mine:

    By Savannah Guy
    June 27, 2008 10:00 AM | Link to this
    Mark, you write a nice article, yet I take issue not with your facts or your intent… but your overall premise. You write about Cox “treating players like men”, running a smooth clubhouse and garnering respect from around baseball. These things are all true, well known and certainly deserved.

    Not suggesting you write a ‘hit’ piece by any means, but I notice the media in Atlanta never even approaches the subject of Bobby’s decreasing ability to make sensible ‘moves’ during games, his using up and burning out a chosen few in the pen and the many fundamental lapses of the “men” under his management. At some point, fans would expect the elephant in the room to get a mention or two… for balance if nothing else.

    How long will the local media rest on Cox’s laurels? After a while it begins to sound less like reporting and more like continued AJC PR for our Braves manager. Look, we all want the Braves to win and we all respect Cox. That’s not the point. Point is, he needs to retire or be retired and ‘moved upstairs’.

    In the meantime, maybe he should try treating his highly paid “men” athletes like the young ‘players’ they are, have them work a little harder on the little things like bunting, running bases and hustling for a change.

    That and a bench coach that can make some strategic sense out of the frequent oddball decisions that come out of the dugout without a Pat Corrales.

    With the plague of injuries this year any manager would be challenged, but you just don’t lose this many one run games due to bad luck and chance. It’s a pattern most fans have seen for quite a while. This team should not be 4.5 games back.

    In all fairness, Bobby Cox should be heralded as one of the great managers in the history of the game. The heartless idiots who post cruel, personal and vicious comments about our team or manager on the blog should be ashamed.

    At the same time, the compliant, enabling media should not be cruel to our club, it’s manager or it’s players like some reporters in LA and other venues… but the media should remove the rose colored glasses occasionally and report the other side of the story. The unvarnished truth could possibly light a few necessary fires and contribute to greater awareness at the Ted.

    Admittedly, It’s all pretty subjective. Thing is, as Yogi said, “you can learn a lot just by watching”.


    When I posted, I remember regretting not including the bizarre behavior of Cox unconsciously playing French into the ground like he did Andruw… but I didn’t.


  228. 234 Gil in Mechanicsville July 2, 2008 at 10:29 am

    Funny, I don’t hold Mike Brundage the least bit responsible for the Richmond Braves’ tailspin resulting in 13 loses in the last 15 games. He has little control over who he is dealt. For example, having to remove a pitcher who is tossing a no hitter after 6 innings because he has reached his mandated pitch count.

    Life on the farm has always been tough. I wonder what the Braves are going to do differently for Gwinnett. Send down Francoeur? I can count on one hand the number of viable prospects the Braves have on their Richmond roster right now. And when I think about it, I may have a couple of fingers left over…


  229. 235 Gil in Mechanicsville July 2, 2008 at 10:32 am

    Now, on a positive note….. Didn’t Buddy Carlyle do a great job in relief last night? Why is he the designated red headed step child?


  230. 236 Savannah Guy July 2, 2008 at 10:35 am

    Gil has seven fingers on one hand? Play banjo? 😆


  231. 237 Voice of Raisins July 2, 2008 at 11:07 am

    Hey everyone. I have been so overwhelmed by work/church over the last 3 weeks that I have hardly had time to even think about the outside world. Is everybody still alive and kickin’?

    With my professional partnership paring down from 4 to 3, and having assumed all of the administrative duties as well as my normal tasks, work has suddenly become, well, work. Where I was operating on my own schedule, suddenly I am now operating on the schedules of several clients, each of which think that they are the only one. I’m not complaining, mind you. I am thankful to still be in business during the worst market for my industry in 30 years. I am also thankful to have multiple clients to juggle. And I am thankful that each of my clients feel they are the most important one. That’s hard to pull off…

    At the same time, my church has lost 2 key staff members, and I have been called upon to hoist a youth group upon my shoulders and help carry them through a time of transition. Again, I’m not complaining. Those kids mean alot to me, and I am proud to be able to make a difference. It just takes up a a little more time, of which the reserve is shrinking.

    I have even missed all but 1 baseball game in the last week, and I can’t even remember which one it was… At least I can sort of keep up with the goings on by passing through Stuffville every now and then.

    I’m glad there is a fresh pot of coffee made… 😐


  232. 238 flbravesgirl July 2, 2008 at 11:40 am

    Good morning y’all. Whoever’s closest, bring VOR some cookies & a casserole.

    Grinch, I know they think dogs are “unclean”. I just don’t see why they need to be so outraged over something that they don’t have to look at or display. But then I’m not a raving lunatic.


  233. 239 Savannah Guy July 2, 2008 at 11:50 am

    Raisins, and there I thought my life was hectic with too much work and other stuff lately. Sounds like you’ve got your arms full. Pace yourself…

    Now I have to go to several more meetings. At least in these meetings I get to be the client. Nice change for a change…

    Have a good’un and best of luck with the biz and the church youth group. Just remember, draft more help and delegate whenever possible. Shoulders are only so wide and meant for only as much as we can handle at one time.


  234. 240 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 2, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    VOR, like SG said…pace yourself! Folks spot nice guys, and will give you more than you can possibly do in 3 lifetimes….in case you didn’t already know that! 😉


  235. 241 morpheus45 July 2, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    FBG, how anyone who “wipes” without using TP (which is why they eat with the right hand since it’s the one they don’t use that way) can consider ANYTHING else unclean is a bit of a mystery to me, as is why anyone would care what they think.

    SG, good post to Bradley; good points. You are indeed nicer than I. I agree that all major news outlets are slanted in one direction or another (we haven’t had real journalism in this country since Vietnam), but Fox isn’t even a news network. It’s purely designed as entertainment, much like “professional” wrestling. Anyone here who’s an expert on advertising, watch just a few random minutes of it sometime and see how colors, graphics, sounds, images and talking bullets are used. You’ll be shocked; it’s like the longest running, most expensive commercial on tv. I’d find it much more amusing if their subject matter didn’t deserve more seriousness. And, as I expected, one came out of the woodwork today under that post and called me an unhappy, angry, stupid man who wished (for himself and everyone else) that I’d fly off into space and die very soon. He signed himself a Fox news fan. “Fan” tells you all you need to know; nobody’s a “fan” of a news station unless it’s designed as entertainment. Anyhoo, I insulted him in as ugly a way as the ajc would print; I hope he enjoys it when he reads it.

    However, he was the only one. I’d venture to say around 85-90% of the responses to Bradley’s column were negative, which is a DRASTIC change from even a couple of months ago (and this has been going on 2 1/2 years). The elephant shall eventually be revealed at this rate.


  236. 242 morpheus45 July 2, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    And before any of you jump on me about Fox, I don’t watch network news at all when I can avoid it; it’s all biased one way or another. Even though I’m a pagan, I trust the Christian Science Monitor more than I do any of the Big 4. At least they believe what they’re talking about.


  237. 243 Carolina Lady July 2, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    Received a note from our friend Lew – he’s scheduled for 4 – 5 painful operations on his eye beginning Tuesday. Will likely have double-vision afterwards – so there will be no more Wurlitzers. May not be able to draw/paint again at all – will have to wait for final results. Art is the man’s life (next to the Braves) – so our prayers are much needed for his sight.

    BTW, he didn’t really want this posted (sorry, Lew!) so I am probably in my own doghouse for it, but he’s important to us and I felt you would want to know.


  238. 244 Carolina Lady July 2, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    Since we were talking earlier about the latest Muslim outrage, here is something I received in email that is interesting:

    “Yesterday we had yet another one of those “Muslims Outraged” headlines. This time it came from Scotland – and the heinous crime that so outraged the local Muslim population was a poster from the Teaside police advertising a new non-emergency phone number. On that poster there was a puppy sitting in a police hat. It was the puppy that the local Muslim community considered to be so outrageous. Muslims, you know, consider dogs to be unclean. Maybe they ought to spend a bit of time thinking about how other people view them.

    Anyhoo … When we started talking about all of the “Muslims Outraged” newspaper headlines we had seen over the years. Using the Yahoo search engine I looked for the number of hits on various versions of “Muslims Outraged.” We put the phrase into quotation marks so that it would only show a hit where those words appear together. That particular grammatical usage would more often appear in headlines than in the body of a story where the phrase would more likely be “Muslims were outraged.” So .. here are your results.

    Muslims Outraged 35,600 hits
    Christians Outraged 2,990 hits
    Jews outraged 2,060 hits
    Buddhists Outraged 24 hits
    Catholics Outraged 11,500 hits
    Democrats Outraged 45,600 hits
    Republicans Outraged 13,800 hits
    Libertarians Outraged 57 hits

    Clearly when it comes to being outraged, Democrats take the trophy home, with Muslims right behind. Libertarians and Buddhists bringing up the rear. With all of the terror, murder and mayhem that radical Muslims have unleashed on the world, and considering the fact that Muslims are involved on one side or the other of almost every shooting war in the world (of which there are about 130 or so), it is frankly surprising that they find enough time to express so much outrage.”


  239. 245 Gil in Mechanicsville July 2, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    Personally, I would have put a pig in a poke but that would really set off a maelstrom…

    Grinch, peace out bro… It’s all designed to promote the agenda of whomever is running the show. The term honest reporting have somehow become an oxymoron. Yellow journalism has been around for a long time.

    I don’t mind reading editorials because I know they are opinions not necessarily based on facts. It is when the opinions are represented as facts that cause me to become disgusted with the whole industry.

    Raisins… careful dude, other people will load you up so as to relieve their own burdens. It’s okay to help out but watch out for the stresses that will overwhelm you if you are not careful. Before you know it, your family will be looking somewhere else for companionship.

    CL… I stopped being outraged the day I retired… Funny how that worked out. 🙂


  240. 246 Savannah Guy July 2, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    Grinch, you’re right about the annoying Fox News format and crass over- commercialization of news in their promos and presentations. Its 24/7 “Breaking News Alerts” and “Just In” announcements usually means a car chase in California, a stabbing in Virginia, a molestation case in Iowa or a warehouse fire in Indiana.

    Those are bad things, especially if it is a family member, a friend or a coworker that got stabbed or burned… or chased, but for the rest of the country it’s a head scratcher. Those things happen in almost every city and every state in the country every single day. Not sure why Fox brings so much tragedy, fear and loathing that is roundly covered by local yokels across the big nation.

    Most aggravating is the way they tease a story for half an hour. Hate that. Anyway, they do have a few good opinion and commentary shows. Yes, those are almost all conservative, but I believe they are for the most part balanced. Even if you don’t believe the opinions in shows like Hannity and Colmes and O’Reilly are “fair and balanced” in and of themselves, at least you’d agree they provide balance to CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, PBS, BBC and all of the “MS___” cable shows dujour.

    Fellow Stuffians, here’s the thing: most of the ‘opinions’ on Fox News are just that, opinions. They promote them and offer them up as ‘opinion and commentary’. Adversely, most of what we get on the other ‘news’ shows is presented as ‘news’. Big difference. Huge difference.

    We must have conservative viewpoints to balance the likes of the idiots such as Keith Olbermann (who was a lousy sportscaster and now a horribly pompous, bloviating, self-important commentator; Chris Matthews, the interrupting, screaming maniac; and Bill Moyers, the biggest most wacko, whining, unabashed socialist/communist of them all.

    Did I mention that Moyers resembles a weasel?

    My current favorite show is on CNN Headline News, with the plain talking ‘everyman’, Glenn Beck. He’s sharper and more well read than 99% of college graduates and 100% of the self-proclaimed cultural ‘elites’.

    Beck show almost a year ago.

    If you watch this clip on our economy you’ll see that it’s already happened… and is still happening… and about to get much worse by the way.

    Oh, and I believe outrage is a good thing. If more people would get outraged, our government would have been stopped in it’s move toward socialism years ago. Too many folks just go along and get along. Until we stop, think, look around and weave our way through the propaganda we’re inundated with every moment of every day… until we become outraged at how we are being treated in this country and, like the movie character played by Peter Finch in Network, scream “I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it any more”, then get off of our lazy backsides and actually do something about it, get involved in the community, in politics, in environmental or charitable causes… or at least vote… then we deserve what we get. Which won’t be much.

    An ideal socialist society is uninformed, uneducated, compliant and silent. Now I’d better get off the stage now before I get the hook or the dog house.


  241. 247 Savannah Guy July 2, 2008 at 4:55 pm

    One more thing: for the Brits and the French to not show outrage and demonstrate that in the streets is, in itself, an outrage.

    Back to work. Uh, go Braves. 😆


  242. 248 morpheus45 July 2, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    SG, I’ll send you an e-mail later of my opinion about a question you raised; won’t do it here lest I get skewered.

    CL, Lew’s known you long enough to know you couldn’t keep a secret if you wanted to. 🙂 He can’t, either, so I expect he expected you to post that.

    Really, though; Lew isn’t just someone who tosses artwork off on the side. Keep him in your prayers.


  243. 249 lew614 July 2, 2008 at 6:12 pm

    Y’all-CL’s overstating a bit. The double vision should not be a permanent problem, but will keep me from drawing and driving for a while (I hope not long, but have no frame of reference-this is different surgery than what has passed before). I still have 20-20 in my other eye, but there’s some suspicious looking spots there that may cause future problems.

    However, I do have a great surgeon-he’s the Head of Opthalmic and Retinal Surgery at Dartmouth-so I’m in good hands.

    Grinch is right about not tossing the artwork off. What I used to be able to do with one hand tied behind my back while carrying on a conversation and watching TV, now requires a more intense concentration and I have to have Kathy’s approval on quality before it leaves the house. Right now my right eye looks like one of those slides of pond water we all saw in 10th Grade Biology class-amoeboid shapes floating all over the place. It makes it hard to do awards when floating shapes make it take much longer. After Salty’s is finished (this weekend), the only other is one I plan is for Hank Aaron if I can pull it off with the Braves’ PR office.

    Still-positive emanations from y’all are always appreciated.


  244. 251 Gil in Mechanicsville July 2, 2008 at 6:24 pm

    SG… Things I have learned in my short but event filled life. Others will use you as a human shield whenever it suits their needs. Agitators seldom place themselves in harm’s way. As long as their ends are met, no means is unjustified….

    Now, I still don’t like paying $4.00 a gallon for gas but anyone who didn’t see this coming just wasn’t paying attention. I can reason with the best of them but it took a lot of tempering to get me to have such a mellow view.

    A lesson learned is once a train starts moving in a certain direction, it is very difficult to stop it or even alter it’s course. The best you can hope for is to pay off the engineer….


  245. 252 Carolina Lady July 2, 2008 at 6:25 pm

    Sorry, Lew. I misunderstood what you wrote: “Anyway, The Wurlitzers (with one exception-I’ll do one and get it to Hank Aaron) are a thing of the past. I just hope I can continue with the paying jobs. I’ll work my behind off this week, because double vision may be a side effect of this one and I can’t see me drawing with double vision.”


  246. 253 Gil in Mechanicsville July 2, 2008 at 6:31 pm

    And Lew… Good luck with your surgery, having a good doctor is almost as important as having a good attitude about the whole thing.


  247. 254 lew614 July 2, 2008 at 6:31 pm

    Ma’am-No problem. Not too sure what’s going on myself. I have two Doctors and they aren’t seeing eye to eye (how’s THAT for a terrible pun?) right now. All I know is the Big Guy said next week and he usually let’s it ride for up to a month-and he stressed pain, which he never does. They haven’t told me how long the duble vision may last. Maybe they don’t know.


  248. 255 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 2, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    Lew, hope the surgery is a success, both short term, and for the future!!!
    I did have one pretty crazy thought….might be really bad for you after the surgery, then again…you might need to do “it” right after the surgery…. “it” being an eye patch???


  249. 256 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 2, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    Instead of watching yet another loss, why not watch a night of big band movies on Turner????



  250. 257 Carolina Lady July 2, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    Grinch, “CL, Lew’s known you long enough to know you couldn’t keep a secret if you wanted to.” You might be very, very surprised, Green One.


  251. 258 lew614 July 2, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    Berigan-Maybe so. Grinch and I talked about similar things this evening.

    It has been surreal here in good old Randolph, VT ever since we got back from Toronto with this missing little girl-she went missing less than a mile from our house, at a store where we shop several times a week-right next to the laundromat where I listened to the first 9/11 reports.

    They found her body today and have arrested her Uncle and an ex Step Father for sex with underage children and operating an underage sex ring. It’s appalling that something like this happened in our little town. I guess it just goes to show it can happen anywhere when parents aren’t paying attention to their kids. This was Vermont’s first ever Amber Alert. Took a tragedy like this to get all the satellite trucks from Fox and CNN here. All it took was the mention of sex and voila. Makes one wonder. Say some prayers for this poor twelve year old. What a waste. I have the feeling someone will pay. I just had to send in my form for jury duty-who knows?


  252. 259 Savannah Guy July 2, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    Just dropping in to see what condition… oh, you know.

    Damn… there is life on the streets in Stuffville! And here I’ve been… writing contracts on deadline, until my eyes hurt. Trying to watch the Braves in the background… that’s not helping the eyes much.

    Speaking of eyeballs, Lew is gonna be fine (if he follows my advice and maybe even if he doesn’t). We all pray Tuesday… a group thing. Anyway, he’s too damn stubborn to discontinue his art. So, no double vision for the artist. That is, unless he gets a’hold of some mighty strong hemp. In which case, the condition is temporary. 😀

    In the meantime, are the Braves beginning to feel like the child of, well, uh, how do I put this… a spinster?

    Always wondering ‘who’s our daddy’ this week?


  253. 260 Savannah Guy July 2, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    SG, I’ll send you an e-mail later of my opinion about a question you raised

    Uh oh. Don’t hurt me… please. 😆


  254. 261 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 2, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    Braves could face Teixeira decision soon


  255. 262 chrisklob July 2, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    Interesting article on Frenchy:


    One primary reason that the Braves haven’t shipped Francoeur back to the Minors is the potential backlash they might receive from their fans, who have remained faithful to No. 7

    Apparently no one from the Braves organization has been reading the ajc blog lately. EVERYONE has been hatin’ on Frenchy.


  256. 263 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 2, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    Chris, that’s interesting! I was watching a movie after 4-0, came in a room the game was on, saw 5-2, bases loaded, no outs…and Frenchy up…GDP, and fans were booing pretty hard it seemed tonight….


  257. 264 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 2, 2008 at 10:37 pm

    I think it was 5-1, GDP by Frenchy, with a run scoring… 0-4, 3 strikeouts, and GDP…. hows that for a night???


  258. 265 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 2, 2008 at 10:42 pm

    Ryan Howard. .219 Average. On pace for 219 strikesouts. Also has 21 Hr’s and 71 Rbi’s, on pace for 40 HR, 135 RBI’s…..how is that possible???? 😯


  259. 266 Savannah Guy July 2, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    Klobber, that clip on French is but a symptom of the problem with our myopic team management and Atlanta’s malleable media. They are living in a separate or ulterior motive reality. Or they are completely full of it. Shipping him back to the minors would be just as stupid an overreaction as playing him every night is.

    Even his old HS bud and ex roommate is becoming ‘objective’ about the situation.

    If they would just tune into Braves and Stuff we’d get’em all straightened out. 😀


  260. 267 chrisklob July 2, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    B, those Howard numbers are reminiscent of AJ last year.

    I tried to watch the game tonight. Couldn’t do it. The Rays and Red Sox were on so I watch some of that. I think I’m going to become a Rays fan. Those kids know how to play and they play with heart like they really want it!


  261. 268 chrisklob July 2, 2008 at 11:04 pm

    SG, I wonder if a stint on the DL might not be what he needs. He’s been terrible this year and he knows it. That’s got to be eating him up inside. Think about it. Since he was probably four years old he’s been able to do way more on the field than just about everyone around him. He’s hit a rough patch and frankly, he probably doesn’t know how to deal with it.

    I think he needs to get away from the game for a few days. Go play golf. Take your new bride away for a while. Don’t even think about the game. Clear his mind. Come back refreshed and ready to play baseball the way we all know he can.


  262. 269 Savannah Guy July 2, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    Bear, on the TBS oldies… check out “The Front Page”. I like the remake with Walter Matthau and Jack Lemon even more, although Pat O’Brien is hard to beat.

    “Cigarette me”, I’m working on a story. Classic stuff.


  263. 270 Savannah Guy July 2, 2008 at 11:14 pm

    Klobber… 110% agreed.

    I was preaching the same thing about Andruw last year. Go get some of Mom’s cookin’, swim, golf, whatever. They are similar in ways… natural athletes but not ‘front row’ academics per se. Get back to the natural stuff and quit thinkin’ so damn much… then hitting (and breathing) becomes easier and more natural.

    That and lose some lb’s. Bad for knees and speed.


  264. 271 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 2, 2008 at 11:30 pm

    SG, I think I saw that version in the theatres as little kid! Ever see My Girl Friday??? Rosalind Russell takes the reporter’s role…they finally have a nice print out there of this film(Public Domain title)…..


  265. 272 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 2, 2008 at 11:31 pm

    His Girl Friday! 🙄


  266. 273 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 2, 2008 at 11:35 pm

    Hard to find a perfect clip, anywho…the overlapping dialog must have been hard to get just right…


  267. 274 flbravesgirl July 3, 2008 at 12:42 am

    Good evening y’all. Just popping in while I have a connection, ISP’s been gimpy today.

    Didn’t you know Tex would strike out there?

    Lew, you take care of yourself. I’ll be thinking about you.


  268. 275 Gil in Mechanicsville July 3, 2008 at 5:11 am

    Perhaps it won’t be so hard to send Frenchy to the minors when the Braves move their AAA team to Gwinnett, the hometown fans can still watch him play….

    RBraves dropped their fifth in a row tonight. This is the Braves’ farm team I have come to know and love. Makes losing them hurt a lot less….

    Folks, Bobby will be given a pass for this season. Too many holes in the line up not of his making. Now, continuing to use Blaine Boyer night after night is a bit questionable but then so is using Manny when he clearly has lost his confidence.

    Josie’s observation on Francoeur is that he is trying to use his golf swing instead of his baseball swing. Upon further review I think she may be right.


  269. 276 Savannah Guy July 3, 2008 at 7:36 am

    Gil, you’re up mighty early… as usual. Interesting observation by Josie about the golf type swing. I’ve wondered that myself about Adam LaRoche.

    If French is letting his golf swing mess up his baseball mechanics at the plate he’d better stop worrying about his hook, slice, sand wedge and putter and concentrate on making solid contact with the wood. Ash preferred. Better yet, he should stay off the links during baseball season… or improve his golf game enough to make a career out of it pretty quick.

    Yes, Bobby will get a pass this year. He did the last two years and he will next year. If anyone doubts that, repeat after me… ’14 consecutive division titles’.

    Cox will, for the rest of his career, get a pass on in-game strategy or lack thereof… at least from those in baseball that don’t watch most of his games, those in the media that have club access and continue to write acceptable reports, those that receive a paycheck from the Braves franchise and those that work for the Atlanta Chamber of Commerce or Convention and Visitors Bureau.

    I’ll continue to hope, for Bobby’s sake, that he retires himself or that someone that cares about him and the team will ‘promote’ him before he does something during a game that might be so odd it would embarrass him and taint his otherwise solid career.

    Baseball and other pro sports careers are like a macrocosm of olympic gymnastic, ice skating and other similar events. You can be flawless through the whole program and in the last spin or tumble, fall flat on our butt. No matter how great the rest of the set, you won’t get high scores, you won’t win the competition and you won’t get your picture on the Wheaties box.

    That is, unless you have French or Russian judges.


  270. 277 Savannah Guy July 3, 2008 at 8:47 am

    Where has Pappy been? Any word from him anywhere? Drop a line or two here or somewhere and let us know what’s up. Miss your wit and your crotchety old self.

    Otherwise, you can just kiss my grits. :mrgreen:


  271. 278 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 3, 2008 at 10:52 am

    Man, doesn’t take that long to catch up after waking up, anymore! 😦 Used to be, I’d groan to myself waking up around 2 pm….this is going to take awhile…

    Now??? Without VOR, or Pappy…..it took me less than 5 minutes, and that was with SG writing! :mrgreen:

    Salty, tell your boss he is just going to have to make time for you, so you can post more on the B&S, tell him we NEED you here! 😉


  272. 279 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 3, 2008 at 11:01 am

    It’s amazing, isn’t it, how savvy software programs have gotten?? It’s like some of them can see right into your very soul!!!! 😯
    Check this out, from Amazon…

    Dear Amazon.com Customer,

    We’ve noticed that customers who have purchased or rated books by Leslie Charteris have also purchased Operative Surgical Procedures: DVD and Handbook (A Hodder Arnold Publication) by Mo S. Baguneid. For this reason, you might like to know that Operative Surgical Procedures: DVD and Handbook (A Hodder Arnold Publication) will be released on July 15, 2008. You can pre-order yours by following the link below.

    Leslie Charteris….name ring a bell??? If not, you might recall the books he wrote, which were made into movies in the 30’s and 40’s, a TV show with Roger Moore, and so so movie with Val Kilmer… The Saint…

    So, someone please ‘spain to me how they choose this DVD and handbook for me????


  273. 280 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 3, 2008 at 11:06 am

    or how they chose it for me???


  274. 281 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 3, 2008 at 11:24 am

    chrisklob Says:
    July 2, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    I tried to watch the game tonight. Couldn’t do it. The Rays and Red Sox were on so I watch some of that. I think I’m going to become a Rays fan. Those kids know how to play and they play with heart like they really want it!

    Chris, my Dish DVR records any and all baseball tonights…there was supposed to be one on at 10 PM last night, now that’s just a joke with a Red Sox , vs Anyone game starting at 7 pm, so when I checked it out about Midnight, I saw the game was in the 7th, and the Ray’s were down 4-1…a score the braves could never get back from these days….and it looked like the Sox pitchers were scared of them!!! Orel Hershiser was doing color commentary, and he seemed to just know the Rays were going to come back. The fans were so excited, the players were so full of life in the dugout…just pure excitement!!!

    And there was “surly” 23 year old BJ Upton on first after one of his 2 walks on the night, gesturing to veteran Carlos Pena(or was it Longoria?), up, up, with his hands, make the pitcher get the ball up, since every pitch was in the dirt….well, whichever one it was, Pena walked, then Longoria got the big hit that put them on top….

    Can you imagine anyone on the Braves doing that??? All I can imagine is Bobby yelling something helpful from the dugout, like get ’em ____


  275. 282 lew614 July 3, 2008 at 11:40 am

    Under the category of the It Never Fails Department-We got a bit of an extra bonus in Kathy’s check last week-enough to put $1000 in savings. Then on the way home from the airport, we heard a noise in the car. Went to the dealership today-$950 to fix rear brakes, rotors, hub, front wheel bearing and the hole in the muffler we didn’t know about.

    Oh well. We can still go out to, breakfast, right?


  276. 283 lew614 July 3, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    Berigan-I, like Bobby Cox, would expect that they already knew this as they are professional ballplayers-most of whom have been around the track a few times like Chipper and others. Other than that, I would handle it in the dugout. Making the gestures on the field shows me that no one bothered to tell them in the dugout how to approach the situation-which figures, because Madden just ain’t all that in the coaching department.

    You’re right about one thing-these kids are hungry-also as it should be because that team should have been a lot better a long time ago. They have had And Idiots running the show until recently when they changed ownership and management.


  277. 284 flbravesgirl July 3, 2008 at 12:22 pm

    Good morn…er, afternoon y’all. Sounds like my finances, Lew. Make a little money & immediately something happens that makes it all disappear.

    Clearly SG watched the skating in the ’02 Olympics. Unfortunately the ISU & most countries’ skating federations spend way too much time on “politics” & not nearly enough on supporting the sport & their skaters & coaches.


  278. 285 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 3, 2008 at 1:15 pm

    Lew, all I know is the Rays are 20 games over .500 and we are 5 games under. Are the Rays that much better than us???
    Bobby seems to think it’s important to yell to every player, every time he’s up, must think it does something, right???
    Teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, and now the Rays have learned that patience is a virtue, making pitchers throw strikes. Take, take, take. It doesn’t seem that that point has gotten thru to the braintrust of Braves, or the players, except for a few, correct???
    Do you just think it’s dumb luck that we NEVER get the big hits???
    Madden must be doing something right, to have his team beat up the best team in baseball(at least on paper, and in 2 of the 4 last WS)


  279. 286 Voice of Raisins July 3, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    Hello Stuffville!! 😀

    Momentary reprieve…


  280. 287 Hillbilly July 3, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    $950? They kill you with Labor costs, don’t they?


  281. 288 Savannah Guy July 3, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    The bonus giveth, the auto dealer taketh away.

    With thine coins remaining, thou shalt dine at Waffle House.


  282. 289 Voice of Raisins July 3, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    For $50 you can go to Cracker Barrel and have enough left over for those good peppermint sticks, that is as long as you aren’t too hungry. 🙂


  283. 290 Voice of Raisins July 3, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    … and as long as you don’t have to drive more than 20 miles… 😐


  284. 291 Voice of Raisins July 3, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    Quick commentary:

    I managed to catch a couple of glimpses of the game lst night, one of which was Francoeur’s DP with the bases loaded and 0 outs. The camera followed him all the way into the dugout, onto the bench, and stayed on him after someone handed him a cup of water to drink. The kid’s hand was so shaky, he could hardly drink.

    I have been very critical of him recently, even calling him “Fran” and “Francine”. Not any more. I now feel sorry for him. You might say, “You feel sorry for some guy being paid all that?” Yeah, I do. The kid’s psyche is shot. He’s never struggled at anything before, and now he’s not only having to figure out a way to dig out of The Slump, he’s gotta figure out a way to handle it all emotionally. That’s a tough thing to do with a national audience. The crowd booed him last night like I haven’t heard in a long time. He has a mighty big gorilla taking up residence on his back right now. I feel bad for him. I really do…


  285. 292 flbravesgirl July 3, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    I don’t care for Cracker Barrel’s breakfast myself. Weird pancakes. If you’re going to a chain place for breakfast, Bob Evans is good.


  286. 293 Savannah Guy July 3, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    Cracker Barrel, mmm. Eggs over light, country ham, biscuits and gravy, grits, pancakes, lots’a coffee and OJ. Big ol’ country boy breakfast would be good tomorrow morning. Add a one hour drive in a Dodge Ram that gets, at best, 16 mpg and we’re talking coinage.

    Oh, well… maybe I’ll just stay home and have the usual cantaloupe, Fibre One/Cheerio mix cereal with blueberries on top.


  287. 294 Voice of Raisins July 3, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    I don’t care for Cracker Barrel’s breakfast myself. Weird pancakes. 😯

    Ummm… I usually order the pancakes…



  288. 295 Voice of Raisins July 3, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    I won’t be having a “big ol’ country boy breakfast” tomorrow. I’ll be running the Peachtree tomorrow. A big breakfast would find itself on Peachtree St. 😆


  289. 296 lew614 July 3, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    Berigan-You as well as the DOB malcontents seem to forget the fact that we have had two thirds of our outfield out for the past five weeks.

    We have had the entire left side of our infield out for another week and a half-Chipper (the Big League leading hitter) out for a couple of other stretches.

    We lost Smoltz, Glavine and Hampton for the majority of the season. We also lost Chuck James, Rafael Soriano and Peter Moylan, our purported number five starter, our primary set up guy, and our closer, for the majority of the season.

    Add to this the fact that we have three rookies and a reject from the Mexican League making up four fifths of our rotation (with one of the best ERA’s in the NL, mind you), two rookies in center and left for five weeks, Francoeur mired in a horrendous slump, Tex running hot and cold and just where the hell do you expect us to be?

    The Rays have underperformed throughout the entirety of their history-I KNOW, Dude, I lived in St. Pete for twelve years and was at the opening of the Dome. They have been the dictionary definition of a dysfunctional franchise, just like the old Bucs were. All I can say with the number of early draft picks they’ve racked up for over a decade, is It’s about time!!!!

    Y’all are having conniptions over a team that is mediocre at the absolute worst-certainly not horrendous. Maybe you need to go back to playing fantasy baseball. The real world has pitfalls such as injuries and a GM can’t just see who’s left and change them on a daily basis. When the Braves get to the point they were at in the late 70’s to the late 80’s, THEN I’ll worry. This is just a situational blip and nothing else. Get over it and revel in a great year by a team that’s been on the skids since their inception. THAT is what being a baseball fan is all about-NOT a bunch of carping about things that can’t be changed.


  290. 297 Voice of Raisins July 3, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    By the way, I use the term “running” very loosely…


  291. 298 Voice of Raisins July 3, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    Carp for breakfast? Eeewww…


  292. 299 flbravesgirl July 3, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    Sorry, VOR, nobody in my family likes their pancakes. So you’re running the Peachtree? Cool!

    I stopped being annoyed with Francoeur a while back. Now I’m very concerned about him.

    Lew, I think it helps greatly that the Rays aren’t changing direction every year, which seeemed to be the previous owner’s MO.


  293. 300 Savannah Guy July 3, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    Raisins, I hear you about French (I’ll give him the ‘y’ back when he earns it and/or if I’m in the mood to call him by that endearing nickname). Hey, he’s a good guy and all but his entire high school BMOC status has never been questioned or tested… so what he’s going through now is both sad and necessary if he’s ever going to succeed in the Bigs.

    In boxing, you eventually get punched and knocked down, usually early in your career. It’s what you do to get up off the mat that makes you what you are as a person and as an athlete. Maybe Jeff has a glass jaw, maybe he’s ‘paying his dues’, maybe he’s learning that it’s not the natural, God given athleticism that made him a child star without trying that hard, maybe he’s not working hard enough in the off/preseason… or maybe he’s just going through the inevitable slump in an early career.

    Either way, as fans we expect players in the pros to have worked through the ups and downs and mammoth slump potential. We expect them to earn the big bucks by conditioning themselves year-round and, at 24, we expect some self awareness and intelligence about how to prepare yourself. These things don’t make you a pro, they are cost of entry expectations. It ain’t high school or the Sally League any more. Natural talent, boyish grins and GQ magazine cover good looks aren’t enough.

    Call it comeuppance for not being fully prepared, call it a twisted sense of self worth with an agent like Scott Boras, call it just a bad run with a latent rookie slump. Whatever.

    At this point, I consider it a bit of all of those things contributing to Jeff’s troubles. None of that adds up to a reason to engage in character assassination or vicious personal attacks on any person, regardless of their performance. Now, calling him Fran and Francine occasionally on a blog does not constitute those things or hate, such as you might see on other blogs. I assume Jeff is getting so much flak now and has fallen so far down and out of favor because of the lofty place he was placed on by the franchise PR ‘machine’. I don’t blame them at all though… it’s their job and Jeff and the franchise are the benefactors of that publicity.

    Look at the attention that’s lavished on Tiger Woods and Michael Jordan or the physical difficulties of Randy Johnson or the comeback of George Foreman or the incredible comeback of Rick Ankiel after his pitching meltdown or Kerry Woods after his arm failed or Smoltzie’s return when they said it couldn’t be done or the valiant performances of the disabled athletes that succeeded against all odds. Those people succeeded despite the distractions, disabilities and after they got knocked down at some point.

    No, until I see how French handles himself in his first bout with adversity, I’ll not feel sorry for him. Like other humanitarian fans, I’ll pull for him but he has to earn his right to go through this and stay or succeed in the Bigs. It’s gut check, bootstrap time for the kid. Hope he makes it.

    Here’s the real issue I have with French’s troubles: at this point, I place ALL of the blame on Cox, with a share of failure going to TP for allowing Jeff to get this far down and this horribly out of whack. Cox ‘allowed’ Andruw to ruin himself the same exact way.

    Now, if you want sad, that’s sad… and maddening.


  294. 301 Savannah Guy July 3, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    Lew, the malcontents you refer to (not Berigan) are just that and I’m certain they griped after the World Series in ’95 because a few players didn’t pile on correctly when we won. I suspect they always have been and always will be clueless with no sense of history and no patience.

    Now, the Braves should not be 5 games below .500 right now, even with the numerous injuries… which must be some kind of MLB record. Fundamentals have cost us at least enough games this year to be neck and neck with the Phils, if not a few games ahead. Now, I can’t quote chapter and verse on exactly which Cox call or which mental lapse on the bases or which missed bunt and so on… I didn’t stay at a Holiday Inn last night but I have watched the games.

    We still have a ton of talent on the team and have been in the game until the last AB many times. Fundamentals and the odd use of the pen have killed us. Even with the record injuries, we’ve underperformed. Without the injuries I’m not sure we would be in the same place, but there’s only so much a pitching roster can do with so many damn one run losses.

    Am I just being a malcontent? Nope… just not as easy to please as in 1989 and 1990 just to win one in a series.


  295. 302 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 3, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    Lew, are you saying that Bobby is still a good manager, from a strategic standpoint??? Was it smart to not DL any of the 3 injured infielders while in Toronto??? To have Corky as the only guy off the bench??? Then we hear Kelly Johnson had the flu while in Toronto, but HAD to play, since there was no one else! I would have laughed if Frenchy and Blanco had run into each other, and Jurrjens and Corky were in the outfield(Well, Lillibridge would have gone out there, Corky would be just fine at ss)

    But hey, it’s not that important to have 25 fairly healthy guys, we don’t have to win a series against a sub .500 team, we’re the braves! 🙄 But, it is important to have the injured guys not go on the DL, so they can stink it up, hit around .200 while they try to get well playing most every day. That’s what winning teams do.

    Do you think the way Frenchy has been used during his slump has been smart by Bobby??? Never resting him??? Gee, it didn’t seem to help Andruw last year to keep running him out there everyday, but it will be different with Frenchy.

    And injuries are just an excuse.

    Think the Cardinals think we have it rough??? They have been without their John Smoltz(Chris Carpenter) all year They have been without Mark Mulder, and Adam Wainwright, for much of the season. Who are their starting pitchers then??? Jason Isringhausen blew several save opportunities for them, so he stepped down. Who’s their closer, off the top of your head???

    Quick, name their outfielders besides Ankiel??? Who’s their shortstop??? Their 2nd baseman???

    Granted, they have the best pitching coach in the game, and have had some luck with players filling in, but they also have a manager that has kept up with the times, doesn’t just go by the book…

    They are 49 and 37 in a tougher division.

    Bobby doesn’t give up, which is great, but he makes more decisions that cost games than just about any manager around….Why do you think we have the all time record of consecutive one run losses on the road??? Just dumb luck????


  296. 303 Savannah Guy July 3, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    Good malcontent (as opposed to bad malcontent) music to read by:


    and other shelter from rain.


  297. 304 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 3, 2008 at 5:01 pm

    And I forgot to mention that Fat Albert was out a few weeks, and the Cards played just fine without him….


  298. 305 chrisklob July 3, 2008 at 5:33 pm

    Raisins said: I have been very critical of him recently, even calling him “Fran” and “Francine”. Not any more. I now feel sorry for him. You might say, “You feel sorry for some guy being paid all that?” Yeah, I do.

    I have to say that I feel sorry for the kid too. He’s struggling for the very first time in his baseball life and he doesn’t know how to deal with it and he’s clearly not getting the right advice from the coaching staff. I think that in his mind he’s so scrambled up about how to fix his problem that he doesn’t know what to do next.

    I’ll give him credit for one thing though. He stinks and he knows it. That is evident in his body language. He’s hearing those boo’s and taking it to heart (which may be part of his problem) unlike a certain CF that would walk off the field after hitting into a rally killing DP with a smile on his face.


  299. 306 chrisklob July 3, 2008 at 5:39 pm

    Oh, and I still maintain that something is physically wrong with Francoeur. He doesn’t run well and frankly, hasn’t looked good in the field. Plus, he HAS been hit near his eyes twice in his pro career. That could very easily be the reason for his problem. Baseball players often have excellent eye sight. It wouldn’t surprise me at all to learn that his vision is messed up, especially after this latest incident this spring. Think about it, he hasn’t been very good since then.

    Speaking of eyes, Lew, good luck with your procedure next week. I hope you’ll be hammering out artwork at a record pace very soon!


  300. 307 Savannah Guy July 3, 2008 at 6:11 pm

    Klobber and Raisins, you feel sorry for French? C’mon… sorry? If we find out a physical problem with his eyes are causing his slump, then yes, I’ll join you in that. If his ankle issue and lack of speed is due to his carrying too much weight, so that he could be a big bopper, then nope… no pity or sorrow. Have you guys gone to a sensitivity training class recently? 😆

    Like baseball players, fans must be tough.

    Besides, we make our own beds.


  301. 308 Savannah Guy July 3, 2008 at 6:17 pm

    I hope you’ll be hammering out artwork at a record pace very soon!

    Iron Wurlitzer sculptures?


  302. 309 chrisklob July 3, 2008 at 6:26 pm

    SG, yes, I DO feel sorry for Frenchy. He’s struggling and he doesn’t know how to fix it. Do you think he’s happy with his performance? Do you think he’s not working to get past these issues? I’ll bet if you were to ask him, he’d tell you that he’s doing everything he knows, and everything his coaching staff is telling him to do.

    Yes, I feel sorry for him because I know he cares. That much is evident. If he didn’t care, then I wouldn’t care if they traded him or released him or sent him to the minors.

    No, I haven’t been to sensitivity training. I’m looking at him from the perspective of another human being that has struggled at times in my life. No expectations as great as what he’s had on him have ever been on my shoulders but I have been in situations where I couldn’t do what was expected of me and even though I knew that I had the capability of doing them. It’s a terrible feeling when you disappoint people with your performance. And that’s where he is right now.


  303. 310 lew614 July 3, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    Berigan-Your And Idiot, Dude. It isn’t Bobby Cox, it’s injuries and poor performances by a couple key players and there is nothing whatsoever you can argue that will change the situation.

    Bobby Cox has not gone 4 for his last 12 games, Frenchy has and there is no alternative that would be any better than him at the moment-MAYBE after Diaz comes back but not before.

    Bobby Cox has not caused us to log more (by far) injury days on the DL than any other team-it just happened. He did not cause Hampton to wimp out and scream about another muscle every time he gets out of bed. He did not cause Smoltz’s shoulder or Glavine’s elbow to self destruct. He did not cause Moylan’s injury or the mysterious problems Soriano has had. He has not caused Teixeira, who we paid a fortune in talent for to run like hot and cold water.

    Honestly, the only things you really might argue with his approach is how he uses the bullpen and I’m not at all certain he had much alternative there either. Do you seriously believe that pitching Stockman until his arm fell off would have made any difference? If not him then what other paragon did you have in mind?

    Like I was telling Grinch last night, I’m not happy with keeping Corky the Wonder Boy instead of Brayan Pena and I wish he had batted McCann fifth in front of Norton over the weekend. That’s really about all I can fault BC for, the rest is just the fact that $h!t happens and it was OUR turn to have it happen.

    Quite frankly, I’m more upset that Wren couldn’t come up with some kind of a deal to pick up an outfielder or another bullpen arm. However, even there you have to realize that sometimes the price you would have to pay might just be too steep. Who would you trade among our prospects for whatever paragon may be available?

    Would you trade Jordan Shafer, our future center fielder? Would you trade Tommy Hanson who just struck out 14 while pitching a no hitter? How about Jordan Heyward? Kris Medlin? Julio Teheran who has the potential to be another Johan Santana or better? Who would you sacrifice for an unlikely chance of winning another division? Do you seriously think we have the horses to win the Series?

    Time to get real. Braves fans are so spoiled from that 14 year winning streak that they have zero sense of reality. Even some of we old farts who actually remember what it was like pre 1991 are spoiled with this unparalleled winning tradition. Y’all act like having a record around .500 for the last three seasons is grounds for firing a venerable, iconic manager (who has not lost his mind and is not playing antiquated ball-what ridiculousness), demoting a guy who has had 100 RBI for his two full seasons to the minors, who is still only 24, with no one to replace him. Y’all advocate throwing yet more rookies into the mix, like Anderson? You have no sense whatsoever of the equities of baseball or the way things are done or how much a team might realistically be expected to win after the injuries they’ve experienced.

    Stop and think for a minute before you rant on like you always do. If not for Bobby Cox and his ability to motivate and get the most out of young and average players, we would be down in the mix with the Nationals or lower. That’s reality and whether or not you can wrap your brain around those facts ain’t going to change the situation.

    One more thing, Dude-maybe it’s time you learned the difference between excuses and explanations. There IS a difference, but you might not have the ability to distinguish between the two. Try.


  304. 311 Savannah Guy July 3, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    Klobber, I’m not talking compassion for another human being… we all share that. I’m talkin’ big league baseball. Like Tom Hanks said, “there’s no crying in baseball”. Could it be that French is feeling terrible just because he’s potentially blowing a wad of cash in future negotiations?

    Nah man… I was just teasin’ you guys a bit. Good gents you are. A bit sensitive maybe, but good guys. :mrgreen:

    Now, I’m going to see fireworks and ooh and ahh for a bit.


  305. 312 Gil in Mechanicsville July 3, 2008 at 6:55 pm

    Lew, you are partly right in your defense of Bobby Cox. True he does not field or hit or pitch but it is his responsibility to put the team in the best position to win. Using the same 4 guys out of the pen every night isn’t condusive to having a winning record either now or in September when tired arms really come to the fore.

    A major league manager has to be more than a cheer leader. He has to be a talent evaluator and be an enabler for his team to win. Running the same guy out there every night and hoping someone will hit their bat does not build confidence.

    Personally, I don’t like Tony LaRussa but Berigan is right, he is a more modern manager than Bobby. Perhaps this team may yet get things turned around but climbing over 3 other teams is tough.

    Spoiled? Yes I am… But I learned long ago that if you stand still, the rest of the world will pass you by.

    I do not advocate the replacement of Bobby Cox and I know one needs to be careful what they wish for. It dose not change the fact that some of his moves are questionable at best. Sometimes you just have to be honest with everyone and say you need to rebuild and it is going to take a while. Ten the expectations would be a bit more reasonable.


  306. 313 morpheus45 July 3, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    Gil, hard to argue with your 6:55, except for the “Berigan is right” part. 🙂

    I don’t think they should replace Bobby either. He has a calming effect on most players and they seem comfortable with him. It’s undeniable his rep that way helps us in the FA market. I just think if he’s gonna stay in the dugout during games he needs a couple of sharp new coaches in there with him helping out with the x’s and o’s, which has ALWAYS been his weakness and isn’t getting better with old age. Terry and Chino ain’t gettin’ it done.


  307. 314 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 3, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    Lew, you simply do not get it….sorry pal. ANYONE would be better than Frenchy, short term….If Josh Anderson hit .270 for 2 weeks, we’d be a better club.
    I don’t know if sending Frenchy down is the best thing, but I do know playing him everyday is the worst thing. Results speak for themselves….
    A manager on top of his game would realize this.


  308. 315 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 3, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    And SG, I have to say I feel sorry for Frenchy as well….Just because everything I have heard about him makes him sound like a swell guy, with his feet firmly planted. He didn’t need this knocking off of his pedestal.


  309. 316 lew614 July 3, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    Berigan-You have NO idea that Anderson would be better than Francoeur. What do you base this assumption on? Andersons two weeks in the major leagues? Personally, as much as I like Anderson, I KNOW Francoeur can hit close to .300 and drive in 100 runs a year. Has he done it this year? Of course not, but he HAS dione it and Anderson has no track record whatsoever, None, Zero. Zip or whatever other term you may find applicable. All you have is an assumption, and I don’t feel your baseball knowledge or analytical skills are good enough to rely on much of any determination you make.

    Now Injuries. Let’s dfo a bit of analysis and comparison to winning seasons-something had YOU done it, you wouldn’t be beating your chest and ASSUMING you have a clue. Have you even sleptenough recently to make an informed and rational determination? Highly doubtful.

    2002-Twelve players on the DL, including such stalwarts as Albie Lopez, Wess Helms and Dave Martinez-what losses. For the season-Martinez and BJ Surhoff. End result Division Title.

    2003-Nine players on the DL. Out for season-Paul Byrd. End result Divison Title.

    2004-Nine Players on the DL, including such stalwarts as Alfredo Almanza and Trey Hodges-Wow. For the season-None. End result Division Title

    2005-9 Players on the DL including Jay Powel who pitched for 14 minutesd with the Braves. Lost for seson-None. End result Division Title.

    2006-SIXTEEN players on DL. Lost for season-Hampton, Kelly Johnson, Boyer and John Foster-all who made significant contributions in 05. End result Third place.

    2007-FOURTEEN players on the DL. Lost for the season-Hamptoin, Gonzalez and Aybar. End result-Third Place.

    2008-FOURTEEN players on the DL (so Far). Lost for the season-Smoltz, Peter Moylan, Hampton (to this point) and Soriano (9 IP so far). Result to no-Fourth place.

    How can you possibly look at this and not see a correlation between injuries and where the Braves reside in the standings? It’s plain as the nose on your face should be. In additon, look for other differences with the Braves since 05. Take my word for it, it isn’t the mental state of Bobby Cox or his managerial abilities-It is in his supporting staff. 05 and previously he had Leo Mazzone, Pat Corrales, Ned Yost, Jimmy Williams and Freddie Gonzalez. Since then, Brian Snitker and Chino Cadahia. I exempt Roger McDowell because he is now doing a superlative job with the staff-ESPECIALLY given the injury situation.

    Sorry Dude, You’re still induliging in the same, typical, knee jerk, pseudo informed manner that you have always exhibited. Me not get it? Yeah right. Go get some sleep, It will all look better in the morning.



  310. 317 morpheus45 July 3, 2008 at 9:58 pm

    I personally think when Anderson came up here for a week and a half and hit .318 with 2 stolen bases (and good defense) before being sent right down for Brandon Jones he earned the right to come back up here for another week and a half while Frenchy gets some rest and restarts his computer. Lew and I disagree on this, but I think the last thing in the world Jeff needs right now is to continue playing baseball in the same environment until he either beats the percentages and becomes a man or melts into a quivering blob of jelly like Andruw did under the same tutelage. A week or two fishing and snuggling with the missus might set him straight back up. We don’t know that it will, but we DO know that playing him every day right now won’t. I say DL him, and trade Tex for a couple of winning pieces. WhatEVER his big numbers say, I’d be willing to bet we’d win a lot more games with Kelly at 1st and a solid OF/leadoff guy with speed (plus prospect) or Casey Kotchman and a prospect, either of which we could get for him. I don’t think that’s bailing on the season at all; I think that’s a wise move for now and for the future. IMO.


  311. 318 lew614 July 3, 2008 at 10:10 pm

    Grinch-Like I told you earlier, I’m primarily afraid that Frenchy can’t handle a return to the minors for psychological reasons right now. I agree that he could use a change of scenery and there is serious consideration right now (from several sources) that he will be sent down to work on different mechanics when Matt Diaz returns later this week. The kid is so down on himself right now that I don’t know if he needs another ego hit. Time will tell. I DO know he has capabilities that Anderson does not (power and arm) and has proved as much on the ML stage. Anderson has too small a sample size to say the same. Maybe given a bona fide chance to prove himself, he will exceed expectations just like Brian Mac has-I certainly hope so-I like the guy, as you well know from this spring. But he hasn’t yet. Frenchy has.

    However, the thing ticking me off is the whole blame Bobby Cox deal. Yes, he can be second guessed when things don’t go right (and like I also said, so can EVERY other manager when you watch him on a nightly basis), but also like we spoke of earlier, his motivational abilities and the way he can get players to exceed their abilities, may well be why the Braves are as close as they are under the circumstances. I strongly feel that those who think the fault is all his and that he has lost sanity, knowledge or manages in an antiquated way are not only delusional, but sadly uninformed about the ways of reality and know damn little about baseball.


  312. 319 chrisklob July 3, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    Lew, Frenchy might welcome a trip to Richmond. Out of the media glare of Atlanta, (yes, I know how bright it is) off the tv every night. With less pressure, he should be able to find himself again. That is NOT going to happen in ATL. The last few weeks have proven that.

    Anderson may have a small sample size but what we do know is that he is able to produce this year. Frenchy’s been stinking up the joint for the last six or eight weeks. Can he turn it around tomorrow? Maybe. Can Anderson contribute starting tomorrow? More likely.


  313. 320 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 3, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    Lew, I know you think you know more about baseball than any living person, as you are the first to admit, but trust me…the Braves are hurt more than they are helped by Bobby these days…A few more proactive coaches would help him of course, but that ain’t gonna happen.

    I do not claim to be a baseball “expert”, but I have followed the game for 30 years. I believe you said no way Tampa would compete this year, when I said they would…

    I know when a manager is pushing the right buttons or not….I know when a manager is getting the best out of all his 25 players.

    You ignored my point on the Cardinals having lost their closer(To age, loss of confidence, what have you) No Carpenter, Adam Wainwright, Mulder(Just back) an all new starting outfield from the start of 2007. No names up the middle.

    Why are they 18 games better than the Braves Lew???? (17 when they lose later on tonight) Do you really think they have a better team?? stronger farm system????


  314. 321 morpheus45 July 3, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    I didn’t say anything about the minors; I said the DL and a vacation. He’s got enough reps in his system that it won’t hurt him not to touch a bat in that time frame; quite the opposite, IMO.

    And while we agree Bobby is quite the stability point in a way that seems to have worked consistently, we disagree that he’s no better or worse tactically than any other manager in the game from day to day. I think he has a talent for treating boys like men that make them love him and often play harder than they might for someone else, and I think it will carry him to the HOF one day and deservedly so. But I think Katy Temple could do as well or better managing the pen and/or lefty/righty matchups at key points in the game. I honestly think he’s had someone else helping him in that area forever and when he hasn’t he’s made far more boneheaded moves than not. And currently, with advancing age and without the coaching help these situations are getting magnified. I also think it’s a terrible disservice to the players and the fans not to make them (the players) stretch, hustle or excersize fundamentals which might help us pull out some of those ML record 1 run losses. I don’t think he ought to be unceremoniously put out to pasture, but I do think he needs either some subtle help tactically or a promotion out of the dugout, where he still has an office players can come to if they have a bad dream.


  315. 322 flbravesgirl July 3, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    Good evening y’all. No hitting, boys. Civil disagreements are OK.


  316. 323 Savannah Guy July 3, 2008 at 11:13 pm

    Calm down fellas. No need to get all testy and such. Just a game.

    Gil and Sandman, your 6:55 and 9:58 posts, respectively… yes… that. Couldn’t’a said it better. Maybe longer, but not better. I don’t think French should be sent to the minors and I like the 15 day DL idea. Snugglin’ with wifey and fishin’ too. Although if she’s a chick that likes the long ball, the fishin’ may have to suffice. No golf for French though. Swing confusion.

    Don’t think Cox should be fired and I’m positive he won’t be… I just wish he would retire. In the meantime, get him a Pat Corrales for the xo’s like Grinch said. Yes, Bobby he calms the players and runs a quiet clubhouse. That quiet works with three Cy Young’s in their prime on the team. Not so much with a bunch of rookies that need lots of managing and coaching in every single inning. In baseball like in business… accountability matters.

    The fundamentals are correctable but they aren’t being addressed. Either that or we’ve got a roster full of kids that are stupid or ignoring the manager. I don’t believe that’s the case. Either way, Cox is sailing the ship and the ship is floundering. Get him some help that can make a difference in games until he calls it quits. If he doesn’t want to call it quits after next year and without a breakthrough in his mode of operation, then Wren should do it… calmly and quietly, like Cox likes it.

    Look, I don’t dislike Cox and I vote HOF for the guy, but technology and modern baseball is passing him by. He’s chest deep in the tar pits and sinking fast. It goes without saying but I’ll say it anyway… my opinion from watching and reading. No chapter verse stuff.

    On a loftier note, I’ll bet I saw more fireworks tonight than the folks at the Ted. Jair seems to be sitting in the wrong seat at the poker table. Still… damn that kid is good. Just read the wrap and looked at the box. Wish I would’ve seen the game just to see him pitch. Fast forward through our at bats. No, wait… Hamels pretty much fast forwarded himself through that game in real time. Damn, that dude is good. Tip o’ the cap to the ace.


  317. 324 flbravesgirl July 3, 2008 at 11:21 pm

    SG, you mentioned Boras (Satan) as Francoeur’s agent. When he changed agents this year I think he went to the same firm that represents Smoltz. I believe Lonnie Cooper is the head guy.


  318. 325 morpheus45 July 3, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    Just as long as it isn’t Lonnie Smith; he doesn’t need his baserunning messed up too. 🙂


  319. 326 flbravesgirl July 3, 2008 at 11:42 pm

    LOL Grinch. I remember thinking that was good for the Braves since Cooper’s firm apparently has a good relationship with the front office.


  320. 327 morpheus45 July 4, 2008 at 12:09 am

    I think we need Francouer and he needs us. I think he’ll be an excellent ballplayer. Not sure if he’ll be a .270/20/95 guy or a .305/35/120 guy, but either way he’ll be solid and likeable. But he needs a reboot as bad as anyone I’ve seen. He’s not helping anyone now, including himself.

    I joked about Lonnie and the baserunning, but I swear hardly anyone remembers how important his bat was to that season. That dude was clutch all the way up to and including the WS (which he homered in multiple times); it’s a shame it all seems erased by one play. He was WAY more important to the ’91 Braves than Sid Bream, but one good play and one bad one have defined local legacies.


  321. 328 lew614 July 4, 2008 at 12:26 am

    Berigan-Yeah, I damn well know more about baseball than you do. I’ve been into it for over 50 years. I’ve had instruction from a major league shortstop and pitcher (not that it did me much good on the playing field) and I have known professional ballplayers, Front Office Personnel and scouts for over 45 of those years. I watch more than 300 ballgames a year-sometimes as many as three at a time.

    What do I care what the Rays or the Cardinals are doing? Their success or lack thereof has nothing to do with Bobby Cox’s abilities. My point has been that Bobby Cox is not the cause of all the Braves’ ills as you so stupidly maintain.
    You claim he hasn’t pushed any of the right buttons. How do you know that your ideas would have worked any better? Sounds somewhat presumptuous to me.

    Yes, teams with injuries can win. I seem to remember that the Braves did it the year of the 18 rookies when Francoeur and McCann came up. So what? The point is that the Braves success the past several years has been tied to how many injuries in a given year and who those injuries occurred to. I thought I pointed that out in as clear and concise a fashion as I could and didn’t feel the need to simplify the explanation so you could comprehend. Don’t talk Adam Wainwright or Tony La Russa to me, they are not who are being discucssed. The fact you think that all the Braves’ ills are all at the feet of one of the best managers in the history of baseball does nothing but prove you don’t know nearly as much as you seem to think. Get over yourself you self righteous fool and pull your head out of the dark locale it currently resides-you could use the daylight.


  322. 329 lew614 July 4, 2008 at 12:30 am

    And good night. I’ve wasted more time with your idiocy tonight than you warrant. Blog with yourself into the wee hours. I’m sure you’ll enjoy the company.


  323. 330 flbravesgirl July 4, 2008 at 12:31 am

    Agreed, green one. I like Jeff, I want him to do well & hopefully have a long career as a Brave. Poor kid is just a mess right now.


  324. 331 morpheus45 July 4, 2008 at 12:40 am

    SLAM! Step, step, step (fading) step, step….


  325. 332 flbravesgirl July 4, 2008 at 12:41 am

    Something like that. Guess we had fireworks a little early.


  326. 333 morpheus45 July 4, 2008 at 12:43 am

    Did anyone else notice tonight that Brian’s beard seems almost like a real one now? Either he’s using a darker shade of “Just for Men” to help it along or it’s finally getting closer to full and coarse. Maybe he’ll get some unexpected bass in his voice after the break. You think having Lillyputian up here is prodding him to steer away from the baby-face?


  327. 334 flbravesgirl July 4, 2008 at 12:44 am

    “Lillyputian” 😆


  328. 335 flbravesgirl July 4, 2008 at 1:09 am

    OK, I don’t yet know the plans for tomorrow (today, really) so in case I don’t check in during the day… Happy Independence Day, everyone. Have fun & be careful with the explosives. Good night y’all.


  329. 336 Carolina Lady July 4, 2008 at 1:22 am

    Well, so much for no name-calling, huh? Since I know absolutely nothing about baseball and wouldn’t dare offer my thoughts or opinions on anything, I guess I’ll just sign out and go find another place on the web to wait for the pain meds to kick in so I can go to sleep. ‘Night.


  330. 337 morpheus45 July 4, 2008 at 1:42 am

    I’d be happy to hear your thoughts, CL; though I expect by now you’ve gone to bed. Just heard from a friend that Bill Shanks says Frenchy sent down to AA Mississippi. I guess Bobby’s not as stubborn as I thought.


  331. 338 morpheus45 July 4, 2008 at 1:45 am

    FBG, by the time the explosives get set off, I’ll be too drunk to feel any but the most serious injury. Usually it’s just a bang or burn; nothing a few pills and some grease can’t handle. 🙂


  332. 339 Carolina Lady July 4, 2008 at 9:22 am

    Nothing like 2 hours sleep to make you feel right on top of the world!

    Happy Fourth, everybody!


  333. 340 Savannah Guy July 4, 2008 at 9:32 am

    Two hours sleep? You’d better get a nap around noon today.

    SLAM! Step, step, step (fading) step, step….

    Thank you for that hilarious visual. Laughed out loud on that’n.

    Now, like any good baseball player, brush off yesterday’s game and show up today at the park ready to play, Even if that park is in Mississippi. French being sent down is the second best thing that could happen to him right now. I still think DL would’ve been better, all things considered, but this is a chance for him to find his bottom, rest, regroup, sharpen the saw and come roaring back. Hopefully he’ll take a few days of R&R before strapping on the leotards again.

    This is where Jeff (and we all) will find out what he’s made of as a player. This is Jeff’s crossroad to find out whether he’s going to be a talented, productive major league baseball player or a high school phenom that has been playing over his head. If it’s the latter, he has a tough few years ahead.

    I’ll be pulling for him. He’s a good kid.

    Happy Independence Day!


  334. 341 Savannah Guy July 4, 2008 at 10:12 am

    Freedom has never been free… but here’s a nice clip for today:

    Let freedom ring.


  335. 342 flbravesgirl July 4, 2008 at 11:17 am

    Good morning y’all. So they actually sent him down? I’m amazed.

    CL, I know how you feel. I started to respond several times & thought “I don’t want to get in the middle of this”. Didn’t want both of them to turn on me.

    Somebody make sure the first-aid kit on Grinch Mountain is up to date.


  336. 343 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 4, 2008 at 12:08 pm

    Lew, what the ____ is your problem??? I am not the only one saying this, you read similar things and worse on the AJC site, and not just from kooky newbies, but from folks we all know the names of….and if you looked above and below my posts, you will see others here, right here that are saying the very same thing. But, I’m the know nothing idiot. Ok. 🙄


    By the by, Connie Mack saw more game than you and Bobby Cox combined. Won several world series. Last 15 seasons he was the manager, his team finished last 9 times. But, he sure knew his baseball….and owned the team.


  337. 344 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 4, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    Lew, after I got that off my chest, I am willing to discuss baseball here with you. People can disagree, and still say somewhat civil, correct??? I never called you and idiot for defending Cox. You have your views, I have mine….


  338. 345 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 4, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    Now baseball….amazed the Braves sent Frenchy down! I hope it’s for the best! I don’t know why they didn’t just sit him for one lousy series. I too worry that if he keeps swinging at pitches outside, and doesn’t hit down there(And you know everyone down there knows his weaknesses as well) He’s really got problems.

    But, there is something to be said for playing in games that don’t matter…at least not to the same level.

    Chris, you made a good point about his eyesite. They gave him a contact to wear(Just during games, which doesn’t seem like a good idea, IMHO-when I first put glasses on, my perception was all messed up, took days to get used to them) since his vision is worse from the balls to the face. And I am sure a right handed hitter uses his left eye the most to judge if a ball is a fastball, or offspeed…

    Hope we see him back up….when he’s hot, not just after 10 days…


  339. 346 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 4, 2008 at 12:25 pm

    Just saw this on the MLB site’s article on Frenchy….
    One American League scout said last week that he had never seen another player who was struggling so much from a mechanical perspective.



  340. 347 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 4, 2008 at 12:33 pm

    We called up Jason Perry….who???? 27 year old guy that was in AA til he was called up to AAA 2 weeks or so ago….Has some power. Josh Anderson clearly PO’ed somebody. I know he has no power….But if he hit 290 with speed…oh well, he ain’t getting called up. Brandon Jones has some power. I guess they just want to try something different.


  341. 348 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 4, 2008 at 12:34 pm

    Forgot this link on his career numbers…


  342. 349 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 4, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    Well, game cube is clearly behind on his numbers…this is what Carrol said about 20 minutes ago…

    yes it’s jason perry coming up. he’s played both corner outfield spots for richmond. he’s hitting .302 with five doubles, five homers and 14 RBIs in 31 games for Richmond.


  343. 350 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 4, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    Grinch, I remember how big Lonnie was! I grew up in St. Louis, (As you may recall me mentioning a few dozen times before! 😀 ) and he was a Card, after the Phillies traded him. He was one player I was glad Whitey traded for.
    Tons of speed.
    And was very glad the Braves got him. Felt so bad for him for being deeked (SP?) into sliding into second. You are right, few remember those 3 homers he hit that series.
    The most excited I had ever been(up to that time) in the 1992 WS when he hit a grand slam off the hated Jack Morris! I was hopping around, fist pumping, yelling…Cuz I had so much to do with him hitting that opposite field slam! :mrgreen:


  344. 351 Gil in Mechanicsville July 4, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    Don’t worry about Jeff taking his time getting to Mississippi, players have 3 days in which to report when demoted and I have never seen a player that didn’t take the full 72 hours.

    Now Delta… They are ready when you are Jeff….

    That was bad wasn’t it? 😦


  345. 352 morpheus45 July 4, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    “…since his vision is worse from the balls to the face…” Well, that’s about the whole strike zone there, eh? 🙂

    Now, a Grinch tradition on the 4th. I WILL be dragging my 120 watt Line 6 Spider out into the front yard and playing my own slightly modified version of this much to my neighbor’s chagrin. Enjoy!


  346. 353 morpheus45 July 4, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    “This has really put a damper on my relationship with the Atlanta Braves.” That comment right there ensures I won’t be wearing my Francour shirt anymore and he can go right along with Tex as far as I’m concerned. As much love as this city’s given him and them sending him to the minors for his own good to avoid the boos about a month after anyone else would and he’s angry and ungrateful? Take a hike, Jeff; glad you turned down that contract offer.

    Now, must get back to party preparation.


  347. 354 Gil in Mechanicsville July 4, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    Yes, I read that comment too…. Bad attitude will get you a ticket to nowhere land pretty quick. Nobody likes to be reminded they suck… A little humble pie might be good for him however and I am sure the Braves now have the attention of 24 other players on the team….


  348. 355 Carolina Lady July 4, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    Excellent thought, Gil! Think we might see a little more hustle and concentrated effort for a while??


  349. 356 Carolina Lady July 4, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    A :30 nap can do wonders! How long does it last?


  350. 357 Gil in Mechanicsville July 4, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    about 30 minutes…


  351. 358 Gil in Mechanicsville July 4, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    My only question now is did Frenchy stomp his foot when he threw that temper tantrum?


  352. 359 flbravesgirl July 4, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    He said that? Now I’m annoyed at him again. Time to grow up, Jeff.


  353. 360 Carolina Lady July 4, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    Gil, I knew that was coming! 😆


  354. 361 Carolina Lady July 4, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    Take a couple of minutes and just listen to this incredibly beautiful arrangement:
    The Star Spangled Banner – Sandy Patti


  355. 362 Carolina Lady July 4, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    Gil, hope Miss Josie’s foot is doing much better. I cringe every time I think of that happening! OUCH!


  356. 363 Voice of Raisins July 4, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    Jeff needs to pull his panties out of his *** and get on down to Pearl. At least they gave him the choice between Pearl and Richmond. They coulda just handed him a one way ticket to Mechanicsville to see Gil. He may not see it through his disappointment and anger, but this is a blessing for him. I have a feeling his attitide will be OK after the shock wears off.

    Oh, and HAPPY 4TH OF JULY everybody. Mrs Raisins and I survived the revamped Peachtree Road Race and the mass of people in and around it. (I sure wouldn’t want to ride on those MARTA trains after that crowd…) I do not like the new end of the course. The last half mile is all uphill. Then they herd you through the streets for another mile or so in a packed flow of humanity before reaching the sponsor vending areas… then another half mile or so toward the MARTA station. I hope they can revive Piedmont Park next year so that the race can return to its normal finish.


  357. 364 Carolina Lady July 4, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    Here’s another meaningful one by Trace Adkins: Arlington


  358. 365 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 4, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    VOR, congrats!!!! Now, get in the catcher’s position, and play some catch with the kids, your legs won’t mind! 😀

    I still give Frenchy a bit a break..don’t know why. I think he will apologize profusely in a few days….


  359. 366 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 4, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    One other thought…I’m confused, did he dump Boras, or not??? Even if he did, I could see that slimeball saying, kid, they just did this to you to keep you from being a free agent a bit longer….


  360. 367 Carolina Lady July 4, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    Pretty sure he left Boras, Berigan.


  361. 368 Voice of Raisins July 4, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    “Francoeur’s agent, Molly Fletcher, told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that he could be in Mississippi’s lineup as early as Friday night.” – rotoworld


  362. 369 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 4, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    I hadn’t read the story that that quote came from til a minute ago….anyone notice this down the article????

    This season he’s played with a bruised hand after getting hit by a pitch and on a sore ankle, which he said will likely require surgery after the season.

    So, now we know for sure why he can’t run in the outfield like he used to…and why Bobby should know enough to rest him at least once a week….


  363. 370 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 4, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    Dag nabbit, that wasn’t all supposed to be bold….


  364. 371 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 4, 2008 at 5:09 pm

    I hadn’t read the story that that quote came from til a minute ago….anyone notice this down the article????

    This season he’s played with a bruised hand after getting hit by a pitch and on a sore ankle, which he said will likely require surgery after the season.

    So, now we know for sure why he can’t run in the outfield like he used to…and why Bobby should know enough to rest him at least once a week….


  365. 372 Gil in Mechanicsville July 4, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    CL.. You will never believe this but here goes… The toenail on Josie’s big toe on her right foot had been hanging on by a thread since last Saturday. She had been nursing it along as it was too sore to tamper with. She refused to let me take her to the doctor to have it removed so basically she has just been waiting it out. Well as luck would have it, I managed to step on said big toe this morning. Not on purpose mind you but step on it did I just the same.

    I thought she was going to pass out for a moment but then the toenail parted from her toe and suddenly the pain was gone. Now I don’t recommend that particular method for everyone and I am sure the doctor could have done it with a lot less pain, however, my “procedure” was a lot quicker and way cheaper…

    Now, using this logic, I was thinking… Maybe we could just let Berigan throw baseballs at Lew with the possibility of correcting his vision problems. I know it may be somewhat unorthodox but I am sure Berigan would feel okay with it….


  366. 373 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 4, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    If that works, he can then throw some baseballs at my spine! :mrgreen:


  367. 374 Voice of Raisins July 4, 2008 at 5:49 pm

    Nah… it won’t help. Pitchers have been throwing baseballs at Francoeur’s bat all season, and it hasn’t corrected that problem… 😀


  368. 375 Carolina Lady July 4, 2008 at 6:10 pm

    Oh, man, Gil!!! Give her one very gentle hug from me!!!! Words fail me! Thankfully there is a good outcome and you get to live to see your next birthday! 😆

    (your last paragraph) – Gil, you have a real mischievous streak, you know that??? 😆 😆


  369. 376 Carolina Lady July 4, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    I really should check the mailbox more frequently. I have something really special to post in a few minutes! Gotta check sizes, etc. Be back shortly! 😀


  370. 377 Carolina Lady July 4, 2008 at 6:30 pm

    Hillbilly sent some terrific photos several days ago but I’ve just now gotten them. Hillbilly, these are pure treasures!!! MANY thanks for sending them!! (And I apologize for being so slow getting them!)



  371. 378 Gil in Mechanicsville July 4, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    Hillbilly, that is a fine looking brood you have there…. 🙂 Must take after their mother right???


  372. 381 Carolina Lady July 4, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    Want to goof off some more? 😆
    (reduce the brush size to the smallest possible)


  373. 382 Carolina Lady July 4, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    All right, smarty-pants! Let’s see how you do with this one! 😆


  374. 383 Gil in Mechanicsville July 4, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    Uh… Jeff who? Way to go Jason…..


  375. 384 Salty July 4, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    Very, very….very disappointed in Jeff’s reaction. His agent gave him the proper direction: turn off the cell phone. He didn’t listen. Does that speak volumes? I know he’s upset, but object stridently to his believing the relationship with the Braves has changed. If it has, it’s by his actions.

    He’s already made more money in a three years than many folks (his fans?) make in over twenty. If he wants to alienate the fan base, he’s off to a rousing start. Now, not only does he need to work on his swing, he best be prepping how he addresses his former supporters when he returns…cause right now, many are in the new RF’s camp.

    I’m gonna hazard a wild guess that Momma Francoeur has placed a call to Jeff, if she didn’t handle ‘face to face’ before he left, and further guess that she did all the talking! Maybe this time he listened!


  376. 385 Carolina Lady July 4, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    It’s been interesting to hear what Chip and Joe have been saying about it. “The reaction in the clubhouse has been one of relief.” ?


  377. 386 Salty July 4, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    OH…:oops: Happy 4th everyone. Happy Birthday, America!


  378. 387 Gil in Mechanicsville July 4, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    Perry was one of the guys in Richmond I spoke about when I said I could count prospects on one hand. I need fewer fingers now…


  379. 388 Gil in Mechanicsville July 4, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    Perry basically took Joe Blanton’s place when Joe blew out his elbow.


  380. 389 Carolina Lady July 4, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    Any odds on how much longer before Bobby gets tossed? 🙂


  381. 390 Carolina Lady July 4, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    Kelly sure redeemed himself!!


  382. 391 Salty July 4, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    For what it’s worth…Francouer is 1 for 1 tonight, with…get this…an RBI! 😯 Oh…and a walk.

    Actually, I’m not shocked. Hopefully he evaluates the plan in the right context…works on his swing, and we’ll see him post-All-Star break.

    By the way…I hate the All-Star Break! 😡 The dullest time of the year!


  383. 392 Carolina Lady July 4, 2008 at 9:50 pm

    Salty, I’m with you on the ‘All Star’ break. It’s hard to watch the ESPN tripe and hype. yuck


  384. 394 flbravesgirl July 4, 2008 at 10:33 pm

    Good evening y’all. Very nice work by the boys tonight. I got the Astros’ feed so nothing about Francoeur. Salty, I’m with you. Extremely disappointed in the way he reacted. I hope that was just frustration talking.


  385. 395 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 4, 2008 at 10:36 pm

    Jerry Lee Lewis on PBS right now for the 4th special!!!

    I don’t care how old he is, he should jump up, and kick out the piano bench!!!! 😈

    Oh, Braves Win, Braves Win!!!


  386. 396 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 4, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    Hey! No one commented on the blurb about Frenchy needing surgery on his ankle after the season…for what??? Bone spurs??? If he’s got some ligament damage, it might, just might explain some of his problems….not swinging at pitches 1 foot outside though….


  387. 397 Savannah Guy July 4, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    A nice win for the Bravos tonight. Got back from festivities just in time to catch the last frame and a half.

    By the way, I erred when I said that Scott Boras was still Jeff Francoeur’s agent. I recalled he had moved to a lady. Maybe the Boras connection stuck in my craw… uh, head. Misremembered and such… whatever. So I Googled and found an interesting piece from a few months ago by Carroll Rogers, which included a few interesting tidbits (in light of recent events) below, along with Jeff’s current agent name.

    “If there is anything I’ve learned from this, it’s part of the process,” Francoeur said. “It’s how it works out sometimes. Would I have liked to get something done [long term]? Absolutely. At the same time, I’m looking forward to this season and having a big year. I’m heading into arbitration next year. We’ll see what happens.”

    The renewal cost Francoeur about $20,000. Not accepting the Braves’ offer allowed Francoeur to make a statement about what he believes his value is, perhaps giving him a case in future arbitration hearings.

    “With as much respect as exists between Jeff and the Braves, this is the right decision right now,” said his agent, Molly Fletcher of Career Sports & Entertainment. “Because in the end, it’s a business.”
    Francoeur said he wasn’t worried the move might hurt him in the public eye.

    (end of Rogers report clip)

    So, there’s a bit of the March mindset of Jeff’s, minus his crystal ball and minus a decent performance by him since then. Who’da thunk it would turn out this way. Actually, the signs were there. Now he is where he is. Sad but true, hard but fair. Like he said himself, “in the end it’s a business”.

    When French stormed (hyped) onto the scene, he looked as though he might be able to achieve Murph-lite (lite, not like) status when he joined the roster in Atlanta. He actually got close… but only with the hype, not on the field or at the plate. He was closer to a Mark DeRosa at the end of his Braves stint than he exhibited any comparison to Murphy. DeRosa didn’t succeed in Atlanta, due to his own performance as well as having a guy like Chipper Jones moving back to the infield. I liked him too… tons of passion. Mark has turned it around nicely now for the Cubbies and is batting in the .290’s. Go DeRo.

    Perhaps French is more a Tony Tarasco type guy. Not a long career for Tony. Who knows for Jeff. Time will tell.

    We shall see.


  388. 398 flbravesgirl July 4, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    Not surprised about the ankle, Berigan. He hasn’t run as well as he normally does for a while now.


  389. 399 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 4, 2008 at 10:57 pm

    SG, the best thing going for Frenchy is he is 24….I just wish to hell I could meet him somewhere, talk to him about anything and everything but baseball for 2 hours, but at the very end say, I know a billion people have given you advice, forget everything except what I am going to say, right now! :mrgreen:
    Don’t ever swing with 2 strikes! Leave the bat on your shoulder. Everyone knows you will swing eventually, on the pitchers pitch. way inside, or way outside.

    I wish someone like WW would figure out how many balls thrown to him verses the “average” hitter, are strikes???

    I saw some of Baseball tonight, tonight(It’s paused right now) and Buster Olney was talking about the closed door meeting the Yankees had last night. Swinging at too many first pitches….showed the difference in Jon Lester’s Complete game, vs. today against Beckett. Beckett faced 25 yankees in 6 innings, and they took the first pitch 20 times. I don’t think they took that many in the compete game the night before.
    I think of Beckett as a guy who throws strikes,(Grooves too many at times) but they got him out after 6 innings…they still lost, but it was considered an improvement over what they had done in the last week or so….

    Meanwhile, we have the hitting philosophy of, go get ’em kid! 😕


  390. 400 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 4, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    Kaleidoscope thingy is pretty cool CL! Someone on acid would likely jump out a window! 😀


  391. 401 Gil in Mechanicsville July 4, 2008 at 11:09 pm

    Well, the Richmond club is making strides towards improvement, it took them 14 innings to lose tonight…. Fireworks after the game though for a full house.


  392. 402 Gil in Mechanicsville July 4, 2008 at 11:11 pm

    OK… bedtime for Bonzo… Catch ya’ll in the morning…


  393. 403 flbravesgirl July 4, 2008 at 11:50 pm

    So did anyone else see the cheese sculpture of the Signing of the Declaration of Independence?


  394. 404 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 5, 2008 at 12:00 am



  395. 407 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 5, 2008 at 12:27 am

    Looks like there is a train behind them! 🙂


  396. 408 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 5, 2008 at 12:28 am

    An interesting story on Josh Hamilton going to the All-Star game…



  397. 409 flbravesgirl July 5, 2008 at 12:29 am

    I think that’s supposed to be the walls of the room they’re in.


  398. 410 flbravesgirl July 5, 2008 at 12:37 am

    It’s extraordinary the way he has come back from rock bottom. We’d hear little updates about him all the years he was in the Rays’ system, usually that he was in rehab again. I thought he was a lost cause.


  399. 411 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 5, 2008 at 12:56 am

    Isn’t it amazing he still has his amazing abilities after all this??? A feel good story for sure….if he can come back from these depths, anyone can!!!


  400. 412 flbravesgirl July 5, 2008 at 1:01 am

    I guess there’s always hope, even for the most messed-up people.


  401. 413 flbravesgirl July 5, 2008 at 1:01 am

    Sounds like the fireworks have died down. Good night y’all.


  402. 414 Savannah Guy July 5, 2008 at 8:35 am

    Good morning. Oh, say… did you see the rocket’s red glare or bombs bursting in air last night? Well, by the dawns early light this morning, I looked and I’m happy to report that our flag is still there. It’s tattered a bit, but gallantly streaming.

    Berigan, that Josh Hamilton article was inspirational. I’ve printed and copied it to show to a group that I support in Savannah.

    Savannah Mission Bible Training Center, which is a non-profit, non-denominational Christian organization dedicated to helping people with emotional issues, life-controlling behaviors and problems such as drug addiction, alcoholism, etc.

    I’ve met and gotten to know some very good people there that have almost been killed by their demons. Almost all of these folks are very good human beings… not evil, they just pulled the wrong lever at the wrong time and before they knew it, they were lost and in big trouble.

    The Mission is a last chance and alternative path for good but troubled people who were on the road to jail or death in most cases. Now these folks that live in the Mission are at various stages of their goal of re-entering society clean, sober, saved and with a higher and productive purpose. There are many good and inspirational stories there.

    They’ll be inspired by Josh’s story as I was. Success breeds success.


  403. 415 Carolina Lady July 5, 2008 at 9:52 am

    “Compromise, hell! … If freedom is right and tyranny is wrong, why should those who believe in freedom treat it as if it were a roll of bologna to be bartered a slice at a time?” Senator Jesse Helms, R-NC [1921-2008]


  404. 416 Savannah Guy July 5, 2008 at 10:21 am

    Just to catch up on you guys and offer some commentary to see if I got these Stuffville happenings right:

    There was a surprise concert last night on the outskirts of Stuffville. Seems a ‘Woodstock’ type music event occurred. Many people showed up and before long, people let their hair down and a rain dance ensued. Without warning or county permits, seems the normally peaceful community was invaded by throngs of alternative and rock music types as they headed to Grinchville Mountain for an impromptu outdoor concert. Many in the throng were in thongs, which attracted even more, uh, music fans.

    The audience skewed just a bit older than the original Woodstock but there were still a lotta freaks. Freaks have aged since the 60’s, so they came in their SUV’s. Some had no hair. Rumor has it that brown antacids were passed freely through the older crowd. Police are investigating how one man in his front yard could have started such a ruckus. Was the spider lit on fire at the end?

    Gil from Mechanicsville reported that, while dancing with Josie, he made a startling discovery… that he has two left feet. That’s probably why those boots have been so uncomfortable all these years. Gil’s ‘honey do’ list has probably expanded for the weekend.

    Carolina Lady was a patriotic DJ yesterday. I think I heard her singing along. Sweet music it was. She reported that Chip and Joe reported that there was a certain “relief” in the Braves clubhouse. Now I’m confused. Did Bobby get a box of Kleenex? Chino buy, uh, bigger, uh, looser pants? Terry quit talking about motorcycles and leather chaps? Chip moving back to Chicago? Cow moving back to Chicago? Oh, wait… maybe the relief is not having to watch French bang his head into the locker over and over after each game. Maybe that’s it.

    Raisins was seen running through a peach orchard with a mass of people up a hill and crammed onto a mass transit shuttle to escape. Another Cloverfield? War of the Worlds? Mars attacked? Very scary stuff. Glad he and Mrs. Raisins survived that. As they were departing, Raisins yelled out the window, “Molly Fletcher”. I missed that until further blog review, so he beat me to the report of Jeff’s agent. Raisins was still dedicated to reporting Braves news even while evacuating the city. That’s dedication.

    Berigan has challenged Lew to a ‘dunk the blogger’ baseball toss. Hit the little bullseye target and one of them gets wet. Fifty cents per three pitches. The proceeds will go to building a new Stuffville baseball park for kids.

    Salty reported on Jeff Francoeur. Seems Jeff talked to his Momma and his wife Buffy. Upon hearing the news of the French demotion, Buffy called Jeffy and asked if it was still OK to use the Amex at Phipps Plaza. Momma French called Jeff and reminded him that he was gonna get the switch to his backside if he kept sassing the ones that brought him to the dance. Salty then reported that Jeff will need to address his remarks to his supporters. Buffy heard that and sent Jeff twenty boxes of thank you notes. Jeff will probably be writing those notes and addressing the envelopes to those many fans, teammates and Braves staff for weeks. Licking the thousands of stamps will take another few weeks.

    Word has it that Florida Braves Girl is adding a new line of items to her Bakery and Dessert Shoppe… tasty cheese sculptures! Not sure if she will display them in a special air conditioned display case or only sculpt by special order for birthdays and special events. Maybe do a special Captain and Tennille sculpture for the basic cheese lovers?

    Now, news from a few miles outside Stuffville: UGA VI would roll in his newly filled grave. Bill Moyers, the unabashed socialist, progressive, communist, intellectual elitist wimp of a commentator has been presented the prestigious Peabody Award by the University of Georgia. Should this carefully appointed panel of like-minded judges change the award name? How about The UGA Peabrain Award? Since the judges are so liberal and smart, ‘Pea’ should not be followed not by ‘body’, but by ‘brain’. That would be more fitting and appropriate. Peabrain is better… right?

    There, hope I interpreted all that correctly. So many things happen in Stuffville.


  405. 417 Salty July 5, 2008 at 11:24 am

    Uhm…SG…read your recap. Uhm….yeah, I think you got it ’bout right. Of course, you used thrice the words (at least) to say what was said, but you did it differently…I think. Must be the brown antacid! 😆


  406. 418 Carolina Lady July 5, 2008 at 11:54 am

    If SG had written War & Peace, it would have 16 volumes! 😆 😆 😆


  407. 419 Savannah Guy July 5, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    Wait CL… I think I wrote that last year, right before Doctor Zhivago. Seems peace never broke out and the good doctor was relocated to Siberia. 😀

    In other news, Dan Cook, the San Antonio sports writer credited with coining the phrase, “the opera ain’t over ’til the fat lady sings”, has died. He was 81.

    The lady may not have a horned helmet, but she is singing now. RIP Dan Cook.


  408. 420 Savannah Guy July 5, 2008 at 12:20 pm

    Salty, what is Uhm?



  409. 421 Savannah Guy July 5, 2008 at 12:32 pm

    Wonder if Nurse Rached will let Pappy out any time soon?

    Since it’s Saturday, maybe she’ll let him out of solitary confinement in that padded room so he can go to the mess hall, uh, dining area, have a grilled bacon wrapped steak, then knock the top off of a bottle of Chianti and mosey over to the day room, uh, recreation hall to watch the Braves game with Chief tonight.

    It’s been so long since he was allowed to walk the streets of Stuffville… Nurse must’ve been really mad at him.


  410. 422 Salty July 5, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    I think I wrote that last year, right before Doctor Zhivago. Seems peace never broke out and the good doctor was relocated to Siberia.

    That’s the problem with length…you forget why you started, what happened in the middle, and why you reached your conclusion. Kind of like encyclopedia’s…when you finish, you have to start again. Did you ever finish…or did you ever, in fact, start? 😕 I’m getting a headache.

    Oh, and under extreme protest/procrastination, I am chiseling a lead, CL! 🙄 With any luck, a cure for insomnia is forthcoming.


  411. 423 Savannah Guy July 5, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    That’s the problem with length…you forget why you started, what happened in the middle, and why you reached your conclusion.

    Salty… wash your mouth out with soap! It’s not that kind of blog. 😆


  412. 424 lew614 July 5, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    Salty-I finished Hank yesterday. You will have the last Wurlitzer. I’ll try to get it out later in the week, but may have to wait until next Saturday when the car gets repaired.


  413. 425 Savannah Guy July 5, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    Lew, never say never… there may be a day when you’re caught up on commissions or a reason to do another Wurlitzer.

    Salty, you’ll love your Wurlitzer. Mine was of Hammerin’ Hank also… it’s a treasure.

    Speaking of hammers, since you are chiseling a lead, this may help.

    Once you get the lead hammered out and polish off the headline you can rest.


  414. 426 Savannah Guy July 5, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    Hillbilly, meant to say… that’s a good lookin’ baby Brave you have there. In fact, you have a beautiful family. You’re a fortunate man.

    Your candid camera page is chock full o’ stuff. Live babies and dead animals. You could be a newspaper reporter. 😆


  415. 427 Savannah Guy July 5, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    Big, nasty storm’s here… best get offline right about now.


  416. 428 JB July 5, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    Did everyone have a good Fourth? I’m enjoying my Sat. and hoping for another win tonight.

    Ironically with JF”K”‘s send down I feel strangely good about how we might play for a little while.



  417. 429 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 5, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    SG, glad you liked the Josh Hamilton story so much! I forwarded it to a few non baseball friends…I will be watching the home run derby for that reason alone!!!

    JB, it’s funny, but the team did seem looser, didn’t they???


  418. 430 lew614 July 5, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    SG-Actually, I have one more planned-For Hank himself. As soon as I feel like I can do it justice, I’ll be in touch with my contact at the Braves’ PR Office. If they can arrange it, I’ll make the presentation myself and you’ll be there with me. The Grinch had his turn. You’re next on the list of Presenters, though I guess Grinch could be our water bearer or maybe security.


  419. 431 Carolina Lady July 5, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    If Grinch is going to be the water bearer, you’d better check the contents of the container! 😆


  420. 432 Salty July 5, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    CL…that’s a classic! Water…right! 🙄


  421. 433 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 5, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    This was brought up on my jazz board(they talk a little baseball as well)

    Ryan Howard will likely win the RBI title with the lowest batting average ever!

    This is what I dug up….

    Ryan Howard is projected to hit 41 homers, 136 RBI’s , hit .223 with 216 strikeouts!!!
    Was hitting .224 on the 16th of June, Hitting .223 today. Usually, guys with this low an average are easy to get out with runners in scoring position. Get this, .162 with no one on, .333 with RISP!!!!! :excited:


  422. 434 Carolina Lady July 5, 2008 at 6:08 pm

    Thanks for doing the lead, Salty! Looking forward to it!


  423. 435 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 5, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    CL, you’ve got to find a clip of that young spider woman climbing a wall for a catch, beyond amazing!!!!


  424. 436 lew614 July 5, 2008 at 6:48 pm

    Ma’am-The Grinch knows better when he’s with me. He knows I’m the Designated Driver cause I never drink anything stronger than tea. Not even diet Coke. They aren’t good for you.


  425. 437 Salty July 5, 2008 at 7:05 pm

    JB…yes, nice 4th! BBQ…chill at the house…listen to idiots launching fireworks at 1:00AM! Sorry, midnight is late enough! But, all in all, a nice birthday for America!

    CL…when you get my lead lead (did you read that right?), you might think otherwise! The Hindenburg’s of leads! Oy! 🙂


  426. 438 Savannah Guy July 5, 2008 at 7:44 pm

    Lew, I’d love to be there to watch you present your art to Hank. Haven’t been within 50 feet of him since my dad got his autograph way back when.

    Yep, Grinch should be the body guard. But you can rest assured he won’t be packing Diet Coke… or tea.


  427. 439 Savannah Guy July 5, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    Just got back and tuned in. What’s up with Jo Jo tonight? Concentration? Location?


  428. 440 Savannah Guy July 5, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    The Hindenburg’s of leads!

    Led Zeppelin?


  429. 441 Gil in Mechanicsville July 5, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    Boggity, boggity, boggity…. Let’s go racin’ boys.. 🙂


  430. 442 Savannah Guy July 5, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    Here we go… rally. Well, a hit anyway.


  431. 443 Savannah Guy July 5, 2008 at 8:59 pm

    This game is… putting… me……….. to …………………………. zzzzzzz…


  432. 444 Savannah Guy July 5, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    The big upper cut swing hits are dying on the warning track. Time for some small ball. Can Tex steal? Can anybody bunt? Can McCann run? Was the pregame buffet hit hard before the game? Must’ve been, cause there hasn’t been much else hit hard tonight, save one dinger.

    nuthin’ again. blahhhh.


  433. 445 Carolina Lady July 5, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    Found it! If you haven’t seen this, you gotta watch!


  434. 446 Carolina Lady July 5, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    ohhh, noooooooo. It was to be a Gatorade commercial. Fake. But I love it just the same! 😀


  435. 447 flbravesgirl July 5, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    Good evening y’all. Everybody recovered from the 4th? Has Grinch surfaced yet?

    SG, I haven’t tried my hand at cheese sculpting yet. But I do make good cheesecake.


  436. 449 morpheus45 July 5, 2008 at 11:13 pm

    How-deeeeee. Just got a sec; fixin’ 2 go light off the rest of the fireworks I didn’t last night. Don’t mind the sounds of the ambulance.

    Just read Francouer’s comments, not the initial ones but the latest ones. He still feels like he was owed more of an explanation as to why he was demoted and he feels “Betrayed,” but he’s gonna tough it out anyway. You really don’t know why Jeff? You really feel “Betrayed?” Ask Lew or KC or Scribe or MetroMan; I wear my Francouer shirt to every game and have the last two seasons. Anybody want it (yes I’ll wash it first)? I’m gonna get behind someone who’s worth my support. Frankly, I’m disgusted. I had no idea he was that much of a pre-madonna. It’s messed up when the guy who took the money (McCann) is the more honorable of the two.


  437. 451 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 6, 2008 at 1:49 am

    CL, that was very interesting, thanks for posting it! Grinch, I was going to defend Frenchy, but you know what??? It’s getting harder every day!


  438. 452 Gil in Mechanicsville July 6, 2008 at 6:49 am

    Berigan… save your defense for someone who really needs and deserves it.

    I was a bit disappointed with the outcome of the game last night but not too surprised. Richmond got bombed last night again to lose it’s sixth in a row. Too bad to lose in front of two sellout crowds in a row. 😦

    Rowdy Bush wins again…. The Earnheart fans boo again but mark my words, Bush will become a favorite because he can flat out drive a race car. I am still a Denny Hamlin fan but he got dinged around like a pinball last night. Too many folks trying to occupy the same space on the race track.


  439. 453 Savannah Guy July 6, 2008 at 8:45 am

    Good morning Stuffians. That game just about put me to sleep last night. For some reason, just now I started to bang out more thoughts on our right fielder on this fine morning, but about two paragraphs into it I realized I was just rehashing stuff I’d already said. Yes, I know… that never stopped me before but, well, I think I’m done on that subject for a little bit. I’ve probably posted 10 or 15 comments on our right fielder, which is enough. Now I’ll just read other’s thoughts on him. Went back and read my June 20, 8:53 am post and aside from a few typos and grammatical stuff, I can’t add to it… so I won’t.

    Anyhoo, maybe I can spend the few minutes I have to escape to Stuffville before my day starts by being serious. On this lovely Sunday morning, I could actually spend my time helping someone with a problem or coming up with a helpful idea instead of just posting another critical string of comments about why our team isn’t winning. There is a time for sports talk and a time for simple human decency and compassion. There is a time for light-hearted humor and a time for earnest, heartfelt advice and such.

    So, instead of another one of my silly, stupid, corny attempts at entertaining myself and others by creating a fictional set of characters and plots in a fictional blog community we call Stuffville, I’ll dedicate these precious moments to helping a brother in need. Hey, we all need advice sometime, right?

    Now, Grinch… I understand you want to part with your Francoeur jersey. Here’s a few ideas: instead of just giving the jersey away that you paid good money for, you could just remove a few letters off the back. For example, take off the last three letters and you’re left with Franco. Uh, well, maybe that’s not the best idea… he was a good pitcher and all, but a Met, so that won’t work.

    Maybe remove all letters except for ‘coe’. David Allen would be proud and all… but then you might scare off nice girls and such. How ‘bout just leaving the first letter and the last two… Fur. Could explain the, uh, green body hair. But then the letters are so far apart it might not be interpreted properly. F………….ur. Then again, that could be a conversation starter. You’ll hear things like, “excuse me nice young man, what does that mean, those letters and dots on your jersey”?

    Or maybe better leave just two letters and make it a more balanced design, like F………..u. Trouble is, someone might take offense, say “Fu” back and start trouble. Then you’d miss most of the game and part of the following week until bail was made. Not good if an alteration leads to an altercation.

    Oh, here’s a safer idea. You could leave ‘nco’ right smack in the middle and parade around as a non-commissioned officer. Chicks love nco’s. You can always explain the green body fur after you get to know’em a little better.

    See? By recycling and altering, you can save a perfectly good article of Braves memorabilia. Plus, if you don’t give the Francoeur jersey away to someone else, you won’t even have to wash it.

    There… I feel better now. My hope is that just one word of my post will actually help Grinch or, who knows, someone else out there, especially if they have a jersey from a player that has fallen from grace and they’re thinking about giving it away. All I’m saying here is, when you see an empty glass, uh, fill it… at least half way. It’s serious. If you have a friend in need and they want you to fill up their tank with gas, well, don’t yell at them just because gas is expensive. They can’t help it if they’re empty. Just be nice and just say no tanks.

    Think about it… if we can alter our behaviors and change our lives, why not jerseys? Huh?


  440. 454 lew614 July 6, 2008 at 9:14 am

    Or he could just leave it as is, because Frenchy is only 24 and will be back. So what if he only turns into another Pat Burrell instead of another Dale Murphy? Frenchy didn’t start his hype. He didn’t call himself The Natural on a Major National Sports publication. He never called himself the Golden Child-others did.

    The guy is in a slump-a slump of perhaps Biblical proportions, perhaps not. But in the long run, what he’s guilty of is nothing more than failing to live up to other’s expectations-something all of us do on a daily basis.


  441. 455 Carolina Lady July 6, 2008 at 9:38 am

    I have to agree with your thoughts, Lew. He was caught in a tornado of publicity, hype, change, money and too-early success. Just got married, new house, new lifestyle – trying to cope with too much – and lost his footing.

    I would have liked a more mature response to his being sent to AA, but we have what we have. I truly hope (and honestly do expect) a more mature Jeff Francoeur when he returns. Sometimes the hardest lessons are the best ones.

    Having read Stinson’s article, I have a feeling that if Wren had been GM at the time, Andruw wouldn’t have been allowed to continue his downward spiral, either.

    I find it interesting that, according to Chip and Joe, the prevailing feeling in the Braves locker room is one of relief that Jeff has been sent down. This ‘time out’ has to be beneficial to everyone!


  442. 456 Salty July 6, 2008 at 9:43 am

    But in the long run, what he’s guilty of is nothing more than failing to live up to other’s expectations-something all of us do on a daily basis.

    Sorry, Lew…you’re way wrong! I don’t allow others to hold me to expectations! :mrgreen:

    On the other hand (JF), you’re also absolutely right. Still, he’s in the public eye…and his remarks require he do some fence mending…eat humble pie
    http://www.last.fm/music/Humble+Pie/+videos/+1-YSCY8JnlwWw , etc.


  443. 457 Salty July 6, 2008 at 9:47 am

    I find it interesting that, according to Chip and Joe, the prevailing feeling in the Braves locker room is one of relief that Jeff has been sent down. This ‘time out’ has to be beneficial to everyone!

    I can only guess, naturally, but it had to be hard for the team to watch a popular teammate/kid struggle like he was. Knowing what needed to happen, yet seeing the action taken couldn’t be easy for them. Propping Jeff up isn’t there job; wanting him to contribute as they know he’s capable is very much on their ‘wish list’, one would think. They all knew the burden he carried, even if much wasn’t of his making.


  444. 459 Carolina Lady July 6, 2008 at 10:01 am

    Salty, on JF’s expectations of himself – I think maybe his whole life has been one of having to achieve at constantly high levels – and I wonder if the added national attention and constant hype has caused him to increase the pressure on himself to the breaking point. When things get to the overwhelming point, something has to give. And he is still a kid, really. I truly do hope this will help him regain a good center of gravity within himself. He’s just not mature enough to understand that others can’t define him. Can’t wait to see how he handles it when he comes back.


  445. 460 Savannah Guy July 6, 2008 at 10:03 am

    Lew, all true enough. I’ve commented all around and through this… thing is, although none of us know how much Jeff bought into the hype, none of us know his depth of personal awareness and very few know his ability to think himself out of his demonstrated inability to rebound quickly from his mother of all slumps (next to Andruw), but we will all know soon enough how much his ankle is hurt, how he handles adversity and how he will rebound professionally.

    It’s a long drop off of an unreasonably high media perch that may hurt him more than the ankle. Again… I’ll hope for the best for Jeff as a human being and if he’s a Brave I’ll naturally pull for him as a member of the roster. If he pulls himself up by the bootstraps and starts performing well, he’ll earn more respect as a player. If this hardly rare MLB demotion sends him into further despair or causing him to take umbrage toward the team, he’ll earn disrespect or pity.

    See Stuffians? Another great idea comes from another denizen in order to help a fellow in need. Grinch now has another option to consider… just leave the Francoeur jersey as is. Lew’s idea requires the least amount of time and zero letter alterations are required. Plus, like the letter alteration ideas, Grinch can keep the article and therefore no water will be required to wash the jersey. That’s good for water conservation ’cause of the drought and it’s an earth friendly, green alternative. Green can only be good for a Grinch. :mrgreen:

    All in a normal course of events in Stuffville… the special place where people just wanna help their fellow guy and gal with any problem, no matter how large or small. This jersey problem is probably large… like triple X. That’s a lotta green fur to cover and all.


  446. 461 lew614 July 6, 2008 at 10:17 am

    No Salty, I’m not wrong. All of us need to think back to when we were 24 years old. Is there a single one of us here who led exactly the life we or others expected us to? Did we do nothing we weren’t regretful of and say nothing that on the reflection of age we would have either not said or said in different words? Rhetorical, Y’all we all know the answer to that one
    And this was with none of us in a National (or at the very least local spotlight). None of us were held up to be the next Amelia Earhardt, the next Salvador Dali, the next Mike Singletary-the next best thing to hit our chosen profession. We really have zero understanding of what the pressure he sees is.

    Salty, you speak of expectations and our response to others expectations towards us as if we really have some control over what others think we should do or be. We don’t. Y’all expect that after Tuesday (and I do too) that I will be a functioning artist as if nothing had happened to my eye. I sure as hell hope I am, but it’s not a definite thing. So much for expectations. Damn often in life we have little control over our own expectations for ourselves much less those others have of us-even now that we’re older and supposedly wiser. Do we live up to the expectations our spouses, kids, bosses and co workers set for us? Is it even possible?

    All you can do is the best you’re capable of and work to improve yourself as much as possible (something the insiders tell us Frenchy has done-his problems are not caused by a lack of concern or effort).

    I ask you this and I ask it in all seriousness-where would any of us be if when we had not met expectations, our supporters sold our shirts and gave up on us? The artist is out of here. Think about it.


  447. 462 flbravesgirl July 6, 2008 at 10:57 am

    Good morning y’all. Good posts, Lew. I was annoyed over Francoeur’s remarks but I’m trying to remember that he is a pretty emotional kid & being sent down has gotta hurt no matter how much you’re struggling.


  448. 463 Gil in Mechanicsville July 6, 2008 at 11:17 am

    To one whom much is given, much is expected….

    Has anyone else every noticed that when the term “good intentions” is use, it is always associated with failure?


  449. 464 Carolina Lady July 6, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    I just hope he comes back without that stupid ugly beard! 😆


  450. 465 Savannah Guy July 6, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    Seems to me that folks here are more in agreement than disagreement about athletes, Braves players, young’uns, pretty much all ages of human beings in general and Francoeur specifically… yet we just have different perspectives based on experience and resulting philosophies around the same truths and such. That and with a little semantics thrown in for good measure.

    Now, with names on shirts, jerseys, pants and such… I never cared for that myself. They’d have to pay me to advertise or promote them… and they won’t… and I wouldn’t even if they did. Well, unless it was a lot.


  451. 466 Salty July 6, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    Lew…I wasn’t being serious…I was being self-deprecating. Please, don’t go taking me literally…well, at least not on this topic.

    Full disclosure: I really do wish JF all the best. I truly believe he has the make-up and fortitude to push forward. On his comments, he carries a burden none of us would want and, guess what, while we wouldn’t mind his rewards, well, they come with the burden. I didn’t officially feel I was ‘grown-up’ (still don’t, under protest) until I was around 30 (house, kids…stuff like that), and can state categorically handling what JF has the past three years likely wasn’t in my make-up.


  452. 467 Salty July 6, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    …it is always associated with failure?

    Or…unrealistic expectations held by others? If your expectations aren’t my aspirations, how did I fail?


  453. 468 morpheus45 July 6, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    Salty, the problem wasn’t that you weren’t obvious enough in your sarcasm, the problem was you said “Lew, you’re wrong.” That was the only part he read, I’m sure, and rightly so. You see, if Lew were ever to actually BE wrong, it would be like when the hall of souls is finally full, and the sparrow who warns us of these things (being the bearer of souls to and from this earthly life) showed up on Lew’s windowsill. Then, at that moment, a baby somewhere would be born without a soul and thus the first sign of the apocalypse. Lew, having a duty to protect mankind from that happening, therefore did the only thing he could which was quickly point out that it was YOU, in fact, who were wrong (a matter of far less importance, of course) thus taking the idea out of other’s heads the very possibillity of the former and we can all feel a bit more peaceful for a while. He is a great man, and all of you never forget it.

    However, Lew’s wrong. I’m not giving up on Francouer the baseball player at 24, I’m giving up on the friendly young guy I thought he was because he turned out to be a d-bag. I can do that, can’t I? I can quit liking people who offend me? That doesn’t mean I won’t ever like him again; I just won’t wear my Francouer shirt again ’till he develops some character and starts deserving the support he’s gotten instead of acting like a whiney little %^$#. I acted like one of those in little league when I was 13; I threw my bat after a strikeout. Guess what? After 30 seconds of a Marine Corps style @$$-chewing in front of everyone on the spot by coach (a guy who I haven’t seen in 20 years and I’d still snap to attention if I did), I learned how to act. He’s no hero for not having done it yet by 24; that’s old enough.


  454. 469 Savannah Guy July 6, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    Many fans of sports, music, film, art and followers of political candidates, elected officials and other ‘public’ figures are not necessarily judging participants in all of the same standards as they do with people in ‘real’ life at all. If I required those performers, athletes and politicians to agree with everything I believed or vice versa, I’d rarely listen to music, go to an art opening, watch any sport or vote for anyone.

    Sure, from a human compassion point of view, yes… baseball players and other public figures have a personal life and we should feel for them, forgive them and pull for them personally. As we do that, we can also, in the right way, bash them, criticize them and call for their heads when they underperform or display an attitude that is not to our liking.

    It’s simply the nature, the habit and the right of fans and citizens to do just that. Some fans just do it in a more stupid, personally insulting way than others. It’s not a matter of either criticize or not… it’s the degree to which we do that and the manner and language in which we do it with that differentiates reasonable, warranted criticism from knee jerk, what have you done for me this week, a pox on their family silliness.

    Funny thing is, many fans and supporters hold the performance expectation bar much higher for public figures than they hold it for themselves… which is both contradictory and completely acceptable. Performers are bigger than life, they are paid more than most folks can even imagine, some have more power than we can fathom… so perhaps it’s our job to be zealous supporters or overzealous criticizers.

    Fans are fanatics of course. It’s our job. Some fans are more well-rounded and articulate than others, some have a bigger, more long-term perspective, some freak out and call for blood when an error is made. Some fans are suckups, some are rabid homers, Kool-Ade drinking or pollyannas. Some are so negative about every slight disappointment, backslide, momentary failure or even an accidental injury that they seem to thrive on negativity and unpleasantness.

    Baseball is particularly prone to wild swings of fan emotion and vastly different kinds of reactions from the differing fan personalities… since baseball is a sport where, if a batter fails 7 times out of ten at the plate, he’s a great hitter.

    Me, I’m a seasoned baseball fan, I’ve seen it all over the years… so there are no wild swinging emotions or immature outbursts. When my team or any other player is troubled, slumping or injured in any way, I just naturally put it in perspective, pull for the players at all times and never wish any harm to any player or any team.

    Now, when this game starts, if Houston crowds the plate on Morton, I hope he takes their heads off and spit tobacco down their necks. After that, we put a string of hits and runs together that will kill the Astros, remove their hearts and stomp them into the red dirt and make them crawl and limp from the field at the end of the game crying like the miserable babies they are. :mrgreen:


  455. 470 Savannah Guy July 6, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    like when the hall of souls is finally full, and the sparrow who warns us of these things

    Grinch, you crack me up. That was funny. It’s not humorous, but I happen to agree on the Francoeur thing too. Now, if you were a Saltalamacchia fan and he fell out of your good grace… and you were willing to alter letters on his jersey… just think of the possibilities.


  456. 471 Savannah Guy July 6, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    Rain stopped… first pitch 3:25.


  457. 472 morpheus45 July 6, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    I’m still a Saltalamacchia fan; I think bad useage by both the Braves and the Texans have ruined this young man’s career (at least to this point). KC and I were at his first ML game; we got quiet and dropped our jaws every time he took a swing or threw to 2nd. The kid was a monster. Then us playing him at 1st where he had no business screwed him up, then the Rangers playing him there too (as an instant replacement for Tex who was their only good player) was simply asinine. Poor kid. Tha’d be like us bringing Schaeffer up and playing him at catcher for a while, then trading him to the Tigers who instantly put him there to replace Pudge Rodriguez instead of out in CF where he obviously belongs. Not sure why it’s so hard for people who do this for a living to just do the obvious.


  458. 473 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 6, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    Numbers, are just that numbers, but….compare what a certain hall of Famer, Reggie Jackson was doing around the same age…..
    at the age of …..
    23. 47 118 .275(He hit more than 30 before the break)
    Then, look what happened to him over the next 3 years!!!!(And recall he cooled off the second half of the year he hit 47)

    24. 23 66 .237
    25. 32 80 .277
    26. 25 75 .265

    I’m sure a lot of people had him written off as a guy who had one good year, then never was close to being as good. Imagine the crap he’d get today putting up numbers like that for 3 straight years!!!

    So, after 3 sub par years, he came back at the age of…
    27. 32 117 .293

    Including that year, he then had 6 straight 90 + RBI years…of course, we’d laugh at those numbers today…. But then again, Mr. October was underpaid, never made much more than a million in a season! :mrgreen:


  459. 474 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 6, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    Grinch, agree completely about Saltalamacchia!!! In fact, a Rangers fan on the Jazz board was being asked if he was ever going to amount to anything(He’s still only 23) and I went on a rant about how the Braves, and now the Rangers have been misusing him. I don’t even know why they called him up(Awhile before Laird got hurt) earlier this year….he doesn’t need to sit at the ML level….


  460. 475 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 6, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    Awhile before????


  461. 476 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 6, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    Gee, an infielder(Infante-playing left today) that has been playing with a leg injury, instead of going on the DL, tweeks it running the bases, and has to leave the game….Braves have runners on 1st and 3rd, and don’t score…and a lefty is keeping us from scoring much(So far)Stop me if you’ve heard this story before.


  462. 477 Savannah Guy July 6, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    Time for QuesTec and umpire accountability. These umps have gotten to to the point where they single handedly change the outcome of half the games with their idiotic calls behind the plate. Morton should have been out of the inning with a shutout intact. Instead… with lots of subsequent help from Morton, we get to throw another 30 pitches and watch a ball sail out of the yard and Houston has five runs on the board.

    Instantly a game is tainted by an errant ump.


  463. 478 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 6, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    SG, it was rotten timing for sure, and a vet would have likely gotten that call….Honestly, it did look just off the corner…I don’t know…just rotten timing…
    That ball by Morton really did look like a double…and I don’t think I have ever seen an ump miss that…..but, after they reran the tape a few times….no one could say for sure…


  464. 479 Voice of Raisins July 6, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    !) Morton’s pitch looked like a strike.

    2) Norton’s hit was fair. You could see the chalk kick up.

    3) Blanco held up. The ump showed his @$$. Bobby gets run for no good reason.

    By my count, that makes 3 game affecting calls. I generally never whine about calls, but man… those are hard to swallow…


  465. 480 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 6, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    I’ll tell you what, that called “strike” 3 on Carlos Lee on a bad breaking ball by Boyer, was possibly the worst call I have ever seen from an ump. Couldn’t believe Lee didn’t throw a fit….it was rediculous!!!! Corky caught it way low and inside….is this home ump a vacation ump????

    At least we have had some fight today….off to dinner…we will win!!!!


  466. 481 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 6, 2008 at 5:55 pm

    And Corky’s hitting .093….and his swing, really doesn’t look bad, does it???


  467. 482 Savannah Guy July 6, 2008 at 7:02 pm

    Stealing second on McCann is becoming automatic. Not sure why more don’t attempt.In fairness to Brian, quite a few of those are stolen on our pitchers.

    Now, as much as I like watching baseball, I’d like this game to be over in this frame. Just one run…


  468. 483 Gil in Mechanicsville July 6, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    Ahem…. Like I said, hasn’t Buddy looked good in relief this week…?


  469. 484 Gil in Mechanicsville July 6, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    Wow, This game is loooong….


  470. 485 Gil in Mechanicsville July 6, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    American League….


  471. 486 Savannah Guy July 6, 2008 at 8:08 pm

    Acosta’s at bat was the worst AB I think I’ve ever seen. Ever. Has the man ever bunted? Ever? Miserable.

    Games like this remind you how nice it would be to have more than a few guys on the team that can hit. No patience, swinging for the fences to end the game with a walkoff… ugly. Houston is going to get the idea that the Braves don’t want it, so they’ll just take it.


  472. 487 Carolina Lady July 6, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    But he can pitch…..


  473. 488 Gil in Mechanicsville July 6, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    Anyone else think Jason Perry looks like Pete Orr?


  474. 489 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 6, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    Just got back from dinner, and the gym, so what was the score when we won??? 😀


  475. 490 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 6, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    SG, Manny looked like he could actually hit, why have him bunt with two strikes????

    Will Bobby remember McCann didn’t really have a game off, and give him a day off in Cali????


  476. 491 Gil in Mechanicsville July 6, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    Whew…. Manny dodge another bullet


  477. 492 Gil in Mechanicsville July 6, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    A pair of hammys this game…


  478. 493 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 6, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    Great, making Acosta hit again, and pitch a 4th….and just really hurt his hamstring running….I know, the 16th, but he hadn’t pitched more than 2 innings this year, as far as I can tell…..it’s time for a starter to get up….


  479. 494 Gil in Mechanicsville July 6, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    Okay, Braves turn to win it in the 17th… It was the loss 2 years ago that started the Braves’ slide


  480. 496 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 6, 2008 at 9:01 pm

    We LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVVVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE you TEX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😀 😀 😀


  481. 497 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 6, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    Grinch will wear a TEX shirt from now on!!!! :mrgreen:


  482. 499 Savannah Guy July 6, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    Longest game at the Ted… 5 hours, 35 minutes. I’m flat worn out.

    A win makes it all good. 😀


  483. 500 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 6, 2008 at 9:05 pm

    That was pretty cool with Tex getting hugged by Chipper, then McCann and others.


  484. 501 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 6, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    Smoltz will be in broadcasting after the career is over….if he isn’t a pitching coach…


  485. 502 Savannah Guy July 6, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    Gil, maybe the worm has turned with a game like this, especially with our long- game nemesis, Houston. What is it about the Stros, with these loooooong games?

    I remember many long ones and so many nail biters. When Yunel caught that hard line drive I couldn’t help but remember that unreal playoff game when Walt Weiss made an incredible play there.

    Well, history was made today at the Ted. Seems like yesterday when it started.


  486. 503 Gil in Mechanicsville July 6, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    That’s okay, the Braves will dip into the bag and call up another healthy arm. Of course they could call up Francoeur as Infante’ could end up on the DL…


  487. 504 Gil in Mechanicsville July 6, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    Yes, this could be a deal maker of a game for the Braves, remember the comeback against Baltimore that same season? I feel a whole lot better with a win than if the Braves had lost this game….


  488. 505 Savannah Guy July 6, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    Bear, I have no idea what possessed Acosta to be instructed to bunt with two strikes in that situation, especially after looking so horrible in his first two attempts there. But by that point in the game I was no longer watching any apparent strategy being employed in the game. Just fumes. Both teams looked worn out.

    I’ll bet the folks at the Ted have sore throats and numb, uh, cheeks after this one.


  489. 506 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 6, 2008 at 9:20 pm

    Something I don’t say but once every decade, METS WIN, METS WIN!!! 😀
    That game went 12!


  490. 507 Savannah Guy July 6, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    Gil, I think that was the game with Baltimore where we came back in the 9th with 5 or 6 runs to win it?

    Agreed… a loss tonight would have lasted a while. Maybe the rest of July.


  491. 508 Savannah Guy July 6, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    Phils lose… that helps. We don’t need a deeper hole.


  492. 509 Gil in Mechanicsville July 6, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    OK…Storm is coming, later folks…


  493. 510 Carolina Lady July 6, 2008 at 9:35 pm

    The other day at Wal*Mart, I noticed a cream for babies with the very odd name of ‘Butt Paste.’ Wonder why that came back to memory – after this very long game….. 😆


  494. 511 Savannah Guy July 6, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    We’ve had some nasty storms here every day lately. Love’em. Thought we’d get more tonight but it looks like Klobber and CL may get the brunt of it up their way.


  495. 512 flbravesgirl July 6, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    Wow. That was an epic, wasn’t it?


  496. 513 Carolina Lady July 6, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    Thanks for the heads up, SG! Just checked Weatherbug’s radar – wow.


  497. 514 flbravesgirl July 6, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    Any fan who stayed ’til the end (after the almost-2 hour rain delay) should get some kind of reward for endurance. Coupon for a free hot dog or something.


  498. 515 Savannah Guy July 6, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    Butt paste? That’s an odd name. Guess they figured the market for cream, ointment, lotion and powder was already crowded.

    Rex Reed used to say that he judged a movie by how numb his butt cheeks got while watching. If both cheeks went numb, the movie got a bad review. 😆

    Wow, that game took forever. Not often you can have lunch and dinner while watching the same game.


  499. 516 Carolina Lady July 6, 2008 at 9:46 pm

    Wonder how the all-you-can-eat seats fared today? 🙂


  500. 517 flbravesgirl July 6, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    We discussed that. Melissa wondered if there was a cut-off.


  501. 518 Carolina Lady July 6, 2008 at 9:50 pm

    I wouldn’t think there would be a cut-off if they are sold as ‘ALL-you-can-eat’ seats. But how many hot dogs can the normal human endure in one day??! 😆


  502. 519 Savannah Guy July 6, 2008 at 9:50 pm

    Well FBG, I guess I deserve a hot dog then… I made it through the epic. It was even longer than my typical posts.

    Each inning, kept thinking about turning it off and getting stuff done but kept saying to myself, “one more and they’ll win it”. They finally did but that took a while. A lazy day, but it rained off and on most of the afternoon anyway. Now my chores are stacked up.


  503. 520 Carolina Lady July 6, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    I better go secure the barn and check things outside before those storms get closer. See y’all later!


  504. 521 flbravesgirl July 6, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    Only one for me. But usually they start shutting down the concessions the last inning or so. Do they crank ’em up again for extra innings? Could’ve made a lot more sales tonight.


  505. 522 Savannah Guy July 6, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    how many hot dogs can the normal human endure in one day??!

    Even Joey Chestnut would’ve gotten full before that game ended.

    I’m out too. My butt is so numb I can’t feel it. 😯



  506. 523 flbravesgirl July 6, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    Or maybe a cookie, SG? Brownie? Cupcake?

    Tried to get my to-dos done early so I could hang out with little sis on her b-day.


  507. 524 flbravesgirl July 6, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    Now I was at a Braves @ Marlins game several years back when it went 15 innings. You reach the point of “please let it end” after a while.


  508. 525 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 6, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    FLB, I bet you were about the only people there that night!


  509. 526 flbravesgirl July 6, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    Yeah, it was pretty uncrowded. The upside is you can get good seats easily. For day games we’d get club-level seats & take advantage of the A/C. They do draw a lot of Braves fans down there.


  510. 527 morpheus45 July 6, 2008 at 10:51 pm

    C.C. Sabathia gone to the Brewers. This better not negatively impact my fantasy team.


  511. 528 flbravesgirl July 6, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    I hope not, green one! (In all honesty, I know nothing about fantasy baseball & therefore don’t know why a trade would hurt your team. But good luck anyway.)


  512. 529 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 6, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    I bet you were about the only people there that night!
    I sure type good, don’t Aye???


  513. 530 morpheus45 July 6, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    It’s all about his stats. If he’s uncomfortable there, or the NL hitters have better luck against him, or his team/defense sucks he has a higher ERA, fewer wins, etc. Of course, the opposite could happen too, and it does appear the brewers are closer to the playoffs than the Indians. Keep in mind, I’ve been out in front of the fantasy league (12 teams, with Lew a consistent distant 2nd) all season despite numerous injuries. I WILL NOT LOSE GROUND just because some real teams are trying to win games. 🙂


  514. 531 flbravesgirl July 6, 2008 at 11:06 pm

    Ok, that makes sense.


  515. 532 flbravesgirl July 6, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    BTW, how did the 4th of July blowout on Grinch Mountain go?


  516. 533 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 6, 2008 at 11:14 pm

    Who would have thunk that the Central would be the best league in the NL??? The Brewers now have 2 #1 starters, and with that offense….makes them a very interesting team, eh what??? Makes it harder to win the Wildcard it would seem as well….


  517. 534 flbravesgirl July 6, 2008 at 11:17 pm

    Crazy, isn’t it? A couple of years ago the Central was regarded as a joke.


  518. 535 morpheus45 July 6, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    Quite well, thank you. Anyone want leftovers?

    Yeah, Ben Sheets and CC make a pretty good 1/2.


  519. 536 flbravesgirl July 6, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    If my mom was anywhere nearby, she’d take ribs – her favorite food on earth.


  520. 537 flbravesgirl July 7, 2008 at 12:32 am

    Everyone seems to have wandered off. Guess that’s my cue to shut down for the night. Good night y’all.


  521. 538 JB July 7, 2008 at 12:44 am

    I hope everyone had a GREAT Fourth weekend. I loved sleeping late. Back to work tomorrow.

    I also wanted to share a labor of love w/ y’all. I hope you’ll enjoy my first ever comic book of the Braves. I had a great time making it so I hope you like.
    BravesNation Adventures

    Anyways, have a great night and lots of love to all my friends here @ BNS!!

    Peace to you.


  522. 539 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 7, 2008 at 3:09 am

    Hey JB! That’s pretty cool! What’d software did you use to create that?


  523. 540 Gil in Mechanicsville July 7, 2008 at 5:07 am

    Atlanta has placed Bennett (shoulder), Infente’ and Acosta (hamstring) on the DL. they say they are calling up 2 pitchers and one position player from Richmond. Phil Stockman will not be one of them as he was placed on the DL by Richmond for a pulled hamstring. He hurt it while with Atlanta and has not pitched since June 20th….


  524. 541 Gil in Mechanicsville July 7, 2008 at 5:11 am

    SHORT STAY: Brent Lillibridge was set to play shortstop for Richmond yesterday, but a call a little before game time changed those plans. Atlanta infielder Omar Infante suffered a hamstring injury, so the A-Braves recalled Lillibridge two days after he was sent down. Reliever Vladimir Nunez also was called up.


  525. 542 Gil in Mechanicsville July 7, 2008 at 5:14 am

    DOCTOR’S VISIT: R-Braves reliever Zach Schreiber has a partially torn ligament in his elbow and is out for the season. Schreiber will seek a second opinion today from orthopedic surgeon James Andrews on whether he needs ligament replacement “Tommy John” surgery.

    Schreiber (2-2, 2.97, 6 saves) had been battling elbow soreness since the first month of the season.

    “I knew something wasn’t right,” he said. “I didn’t have the same stuff, and I wasn’t throwing strikes. I’ll work hard. It’s just another bump in the road I’ve got to deal with.”

    Schreiber always reminded me of Mike Stanton but from the right side.


  526. 543 JB July 7, 2008 at 8:26 am

    Good morning, people. Back to the grind.

    Berigan, I can’t give my secret away can I? Let’s just say it helps to have a Mac.

    Well here we go with another Monday. Have a great day.

    Gil, thanks for the updates. Looks like we just can’t keep people off the DL this year.



  527. 544 chrisklob July 7, 2008 at 8:31 am

    What is the maximum number of players that a team is allowed to have on the DL at any one time?


  528. 545 lew614 July 7, 2008 at 8:59 am

    FBG-What kind of award do I get for not only watching the entire game, but scoring it, too?


  529. 546 Voice of Raisins July 7, 2008 at 9:22 am

    It’s interesting that they are delaying naming the 2nd pitcher to be recalled. Think there’s any chance they may be considering activating Hampton? I’m just thinkin’ out loud… or on keys…


  530. 547 JB July 7, 2008 at 9:31 am

    At the rate we’re going with injuries, Hampton seems like a… dare I say… “wise” choice. What could it hurt? When he inevitably gets hurt again we’ll just send him back again.

    Bobby’s running a MASH unit out there but without the charm of Hawkeye and Trapper.


  531. 548 Voice of Raisins July 7, 2008 at 9:45 am

    JB: Colonel Cox? Captain Jones? Captain McCann? They just recalled Radar Lillibridge. 😀


  532. 549 Voice of Raisins July 7, 2008 at 9:45 am

    I don’t wanna know who Klinger is… 😯


  533. 550 JB July 7, 2008 at 9:54 am

    Lillibridge is a little more Alfred E Newman to me but for our purposes Radar works.

    Raisins did you see my Braves comic? I used that same pic of Francoeur in Mississippi for it. I think you’ll enjoy it.

    and Klinger… I’ll have to think about that one.


  534. 551 JB July 7, 2008 at 10:38 am

    So my question is when are they gonna send Andruw to the minors? He’s worse than Frenchy will EVER be.


  535. 552 flbravesgirl July 7, 2008 at 11:40 am

    Good morning y’all.

    JB, I love that! Must’ve taken a good bit of time to do that.

    I wondered why Bennett didn’t get in the game. 😦

    Lew, you get an entire cheesecake of your choice.


  536. 553 lew614 July 7, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    FBG-Thanks-at least you know what you’re doing when you make cheesecake. The rest of the world and their jobs? Not so sure.

    Just got back from the pharmacy-not too sure whether its the Pharmacists, the people who dispense the prescriptions, the Government who made some of the dumbest regulations or all of the above that constitute the problem.

    I use so many RX drugs that I have the reorder process down to a science. I NEVER call and ask for a refill just before I run out-I call in advance and give them plenty of time to refill-yet I still get partial Rx and have to go back one to two more times to get a full PX-at $4.13 a gallon.

    This weekend I had four calls from the pharmacy telling me to pick up my stuff. Got there this morning and instead of 200 insulin syringes, they handed me ten-not enough to get me to the weekend. Two other prescriptions were partials, also. Now, these are common medications and should be kept in stock at all times. They said I should call before I go to the pharmacy before I go to pick them up-that way I’ll know they didn’t have a the whole thing. Why this is necessary when I’ve received a phone call to pick them up is mystifying to me. They would not even substitute the store brand syringes (same exact thing, mind you) because the Feds say they can’t substitute. Whatever. Then I was informed I needed a prescription for Saline solution (literally salt water) because the Feds consider it a controlled substance. I suppose this means one now needs a prescription to go to the beach. If this is all not bad enough, they HAD all my insulin and still forgot to give me both vials.

    Republicans, Democrats, Independents-They are All And Idiots. They couldn’t save New Orleans, but By God, NO ONE will use Salt Water without the appropriate legislation.


  537. 554 Gil in Mechanicsville July 7, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    Lew. I have said it many times… I respect and admire intelligence, it is ineptitude and stupidity by which I cannot abide. Blame the medicos who sit on the advisory boards whom are trying to protect their jobs for at least part of your woes…. Been there and done that….

    It has been my experience that regulation makes it harder for the innocent and those with a real need to get relief than it is a deterrent for those who would break the law… Gun legislation anyone?

    Personally, I think insulin should be an over the counter medication for which you sign for rather than by prescription anyway, after all… I cannot believe any self respecting addict would consider insulin as a drug of choice…. Too many other things the stupid can get high on.

    I once treated a kid who smoked oregano soaked in formaldehyde. Needless to say, he got a head start to the embalming process.


  538. 555 lew614 July 7, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    Gil-Yeah, I wish Insulin were abusable-it would make life more pleasant if it made you feel good rather than having weight gain as a side effect, for sure. The Legislation is to blame for the stupidity of controlled substances, but to have a pharmacy employee tell me I get calls no matter how much of the RX they have filled, telling me to call them first (thought I already had) and then tell me the automated call system is not their fault-well…… Needless to say, half the village is aware of my displeasure- they could likely hear it down the whole block (the ENTIRE Randolph business district).

    This has been an emotional week here. Having that little girl kidnapped and then her body found was tough for everyone to take. This is usually the most peaceful little place and then to find out her relatives were running an underage sex ring…….Anyway, I just filled out my papers for Jury Duty and maybe I’ll get this case-if the Feds don’t take the prosecution. We’ll see. Prayer for that little girl and any other pre teen these perverts messed with. It’s enough to make me change my stance on Capital Punishment. Too bad this is what Randolph, VT will now be known for. I see an episode of City Confidential in the future. A&E sure does like these sex stories.


  539. 556 flbravesgirl July 7, 2008 at 1:02 pm

    Sheesh, Lew. Sounds like a full-time job just dealing with the pharmacy. I know for my dad the problem is that his Dr.’s office staff are complete morons & the insurance is incredibly anal about how much Rx you can have at a time & when you can refill it. It’s not like he’s getting pain pills here. He tries to plan way ahead too.

    A prescription for saline?!? Do they think someone is going to abuse salt water?


  540. 557 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 7, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    The braves are nuts!!!! They just recalled Frenchy!!!! 😡


  541. 558 ssiscribe July 7, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    Hey guys. BREAKING NEWS: Franceour recalled, heading to LA to rejoin the team tonight. Just topped my recap of yesterday’s marathon win at http://braves.today.com with a couple of sentences about Frenchy, whose banishment to the minors lasted three games.



  542. 559 lew614 July 7, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    FBG-I’ve been relatively lucky with the insurance. It costs more and more every year (I think we’re up to $700 per month now plus copays), but there is only one imaging test for my eye they won’t pay for-so far. Unfortunately, it costs $475 (at least it did a year ago) and my Doctor is aware. Stupid thing is that they will pay for an angiogram, which costs more and is much more painful to me-go figure.

    They did not used to charge a co pay for diabetic supplies and materials, but I found out this morning that has changed as well. At least there we have a flex plan, but not knowing about this ahead of time means we probably didn’t have enough deducted to fund the Flex plan until next July 1. More $$$$$$ out of pocket on top of the $4.99 capped price we’re now paying for heating oil-PLUS a .25 per gallon surcharge for the privilege of getting it at that price. I see electricity in my future. Who would ever have thought the Power company would be the cheaper alternative?

    Wasn’t CL talking a while back about getting an outrageously expensive RX only to have an allergic reaction and get another high priced Rx instead? The system rarely exhibits rationality. I’m with Gil-I respect competence and intelligence. Haven’t seen much lately.


  543. 560 ssiscribe July 7, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    Yeah Berigan, even with all the injuries yesterday, I’m really surprised at this one. Didn’t see them bringing him back until after the Break, as they said when they shipped him to Mississippi on Friday.

    Wow … this team has been something else to watch this season, hasn’t it? Craziest season I’ve ever seen.



  544. 561 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 7, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    Scribe, it sure has! I just wanted to see him work for a week + with his old coach…what happens if he still doesn’t hit??? back down again??? I don’t think so!


  545. 562 JB July 7, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    Uhhhhh….. I guess that means we get to watch to sluggers miserably swat at curveballs.

    No offense to AJ and JF”K” but these guys have not been fun to watch lately.

    I really really hope Frenchy hits a homer tonight.


  546. 563 flbravesgirl July 7, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    Well, that didn’t last long. I hope he’s coming back with a better attitude, if nothing else.

    For fun with (supposedly) OTC meds, try buying allergy medication. There would be less hassle buying an assault rifle.


  547. 564 Gil in Mechanicsville July 7, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    JB.. I would rather see him hit the ball to right center… It is trying to be a slugger that got him in trouble to begin with.

    Now, the thing Jeff should really have learned about all this is the press is not his friend…. 25 years ago, the paper would not have revealed his comments because frankly, people say a lot of things they regret later when they are angry. However, making nice does not sell newspapers….

    Either way, three days in “time out” may have done everyone a world of good. I like Perry but I think the Braves saw he was not the answer either. he has potential just as Brandon Jones but they are not there yet…


  548. 565 Gil in Mechanicsville July 7, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    And this could explain the Francoeur move,,

    By Jersey Gil

    July 7, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this

    Hey guys if Gotay still with the team today?….His Uncle Julio Died last Friday and the Funeral is today In Puerto Rico.


  549. 566 JB July 7, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    I wonder what I would’ve said 4 years ago going through the same thing….

    I would’ve at least felt it.

    I wish him the best though and yes I would love to see him go with some pitches. He hit .500 in AA this weekend.


  550. 567 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D July 7, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    Well, being short 2 pitchers, and 2 infielders…it wouldn’t seem we needed another outfielder….


  551. 568 williamwallace July 7, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    Bush league move by Wren. Made a complete fool of himself this weekend. He either belongs in AA or he doesn’t. What was the point?


  552. 569 williamwallace July 7, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    Fire Frank Wren!


  553. 570 Voice of Raisins July 7, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    We still have Prado and Lillibridge, each of whom can play all 3 IF positions. Francoeur really takes Bennett’s spot. Wren said with the off-day Thursday, and with the ASB, they would have brought up another position player and gone with just 11 P’s anyway. And let’s face it, Perry was less reliable than Jeffrey was over the last series. He looked totally overmatched against the host of Astro hurlers yesterday. I hope Jeff has regained some confidence and takes that new found chip on his shoulder and has a good series in LaLaLand. It wouldn’t surprise me…


  554. 571 JB July 7, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    Thought y’all TV Landers might like this…

    Welcome Back, Frenchy