49: Fact or Fiction??

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By Voice of Reason Raisins

JEFFERSON, GA – I was talking with my 12-year-old son yesterday about this task of putting together a lead topic for the Braves and Stuff blog. He asked me, “What are you gonna write about?” My honest response to him was, “I don’t know. What do you think I should write about?” To this, he gave a couple of minutes thought and asked, “Does it have to be real?” I replied, “No, it does not.” Suddenly, a flurry of ideas for stories began to come forth out of the mouth of this suddenly released creative force. “The President is at the game, and Chipper Jones is batting. His bat breaks and a sharp piece barely misses the President and the Secret Service arrests Chipper and throws him in jail.” Or, “Mark Teixeira is really a spy from another country. He’s gathering intelligence from all over the country while posing as a baseball player.” I reminded him that Tex was from Baltimore, so he quickly said, “OK, it’s Escobar!” Then there was, “Brian McCann and Jeff Francoeur discover Area 54 and are held captive 54 miles below ground in an underground bunker.”

Wow… I had unknowingly tapped into an endless resource of creativity all from the perspective of the 12-year-old world. So I thought, how about a little creativity from a middle-aged dad trying desperately to stay connected to a 12-year-old world?

How about: “The Braves break Spring Training with a pitcher who dominated the Grapefruit League. Amazingly, he had not pitched in a Major League game in 2 years, but his spring games were so awesome that the Braves, and the Braves fans, came to rely on him to be an important part of their plans for 2008. In the last 2 years, he had endured knee surgery, elbow surgery and a torn hamstring. He was practically like the Bionic Man. Local sports talk radio suggested he be placed in bubble-wrap prior to his first start. Ha-ha… that’s pretty funny. As the radio hosts signed off from their show on the evening of his first regular season start, they jokingly admitted that it looked like he was going to make it. 15 minutes later, this pitcher tears a pectoral muscle and can’t answer the bell. He has yet to toe the rubber again in a Major League game.” Nah…

I got one: “A future Hall of Fame pitcher enters into the season looking for one more run to the playoffs. He even implores the Braves management to bring back one of his good buddies to make the run with him. He enters into Spring Training, but disappears from sight. He trains by himself on back fields, like a ninja, secretly preparing his new arsenal so that he can unleash his final attacks on an unsuspecting league of batsmen. As the season unfolds, his team leans on him like never before. And he is good; I mean really good. He even reaches a career milestone. You’d never know that his elbow had ever been surgically repaired. You’d never know, in fact we didn’t know, that he had once had an unprecedented procedure to fix a hole in his elbow tendon. He was dominant… for about 5 innings at a time. Then 4. Then, without warning, his shoulder began to ache. It ached badly. It ached so badly that he couldn’t throw between starts… so badly that he couldn’t sleep. It ached. He was shut down, unable to help his reeling teammates – unable to right a listing ship. But he had an idea. “If I can’t throw for 5 innings anymore, maye again lead my troops to victory!” He prepared for his triumphant return to the hails of a loving throng of worshipers. But, alas, it was not to be. His return was not triumphant. And he ached badly. He would not pick up another ball this year, nay maybe never. His own shoulder had betrayed him, and perhaps this mighty warrior shall never again taste the sweetness of victory.” No, I don’t like it…

And then there’s: “The Prodigal Son returns. He returns after many years in the camp of the enemy. Yes, he wore the hated blue and orange, he wore the scripted NY, he fought with the rival. Many things were said of this once revered man. He was accused of having ulterior motives. “No!” he said. “It was just business. Things are not as they appear.” But his former faithful did not believe. But time has a way of healing wounds, and the Prodigal Son wanted to come home. Soon, many began to believe that all was truly not as it had appeared, and his former faithful began to also wish him home. He almost made it, but alas, it was not to be. But wait! A new season dawns and he has returned. Our grizzled veteran has come home to help propel his friends and teammates to another post-season. This man had seen many campaigns, some supremely successful, others not so much. But he could battle. He had never missed any portion of a campaign over his entire Hall of Fame career. He had come home to be a workhorse for a manager that he had loved and admired. But suddenly, the well conditioned workhorse pulled a hammy and found himself inactive for the first time. Yes, even the mighty fall sometimes. But he came back fighting. Ow! His elbow hurts! Dang… He has slightly torn something in his elbow. DL’d again…” No, I don’t like that one either…

Maybe: “Hot young prospect suspended for performance enhancing drugs?!?” Maybe not…

Or: “Replacement center fielder returns from back surgery to perform wonderfully… until he injures his back.” No…

Or: “Hot young pitcher steps funny in dugout and rolls his ankle.” Uh-uh…

I know: “Major free-agent-to-be can’t perform until the calendar says it’s OK.” Still not it…

“Sore armed closer lets manager know when he can pitch.” Crazy…

“Mexican League refugee finds himself an important piece of a Major League rotation.” Never…

“Rival base runner twice tries to implant his head into the shortstop’s thigh.” Funny, but no…

I got it!!! “Stud third baseman bats .400 well into June, but gets knocked outta service when he doinks a ball off the batting cage crossbar into his own eye.” That’s a good one! But it just won’t work…

I think I’ll just go back to “Brian McCann and Jeff Francoeur discover Area 54 and are held captive 54 miles below ground in an underground bunker.” It’s more believable.


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705 Responses to “49: Fact or Fiction??”

  1. 1 Carolina Lady June 18, 2008 at 11:28 am

    Terrific, Raisins! Love the concept and approach. Many thanks!

    Who of us expected all the problems this team has had since ST?? I had really hoped that this would be a super year for them.


  2. 2 flbravesgirl June 18, 2008 at 11:42 am

    It has been pretty unbelievable, all the crazy things that have happened so far. Now if it was one of those “Major League” movies the young guys would step up (as some of them are doing), Chipper would hit .400 for the year & the injured guys would make miraculous comebacks & we’d win the WS. Hmmm…that works for me. Good work, VOR!


  3. 3 flbravesgirl June 18, 2008 at 11:49 am

    Repeating myself from the end of the last blog . Hillbilly, I have never gotten both feeds for any game here. You just get the feed they give you. For some reason they won’t show any Peachtree games (which makes no sense because I have Brighthouse cable & they own Peachtree). Usually they show the other team’s feed but once in a while they just don’t carry the game. It seems like I never see a Braves’ broadcast anymore. One more reason to be anxious to move to Georgia.


  4. 4 Salty June 18, 2008 at 11:52 am

    Yo, Raisins! If all you wrote weren’t true, I’d say someone spiked your OJ…err…coffee! Nice!


  5. 5 flbravesgirl June 18, 2008 at 11:56 am

    No one in Hollywood would buy that script, right, Salty? They’d call it too far-fetched.


  6. 6 lew614 June 18, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    Raisins-Actually the spy is Omar Minaya and Willie Randolph almost blew his cover, necessitating a middle of the night execution (figuratively speaking). Wilpon is trying to build an Evil Empire. Sniper 69 and MetroDude are likely operatives. I’ve always suspected as much. Good thing we took out the Drooling Fool, though.


  7. 7 lew614 June 18, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    Hillbilly-I responded to you at the end of the last blog. I’m too lazy to repeat it and too technologically backwards to figure out how to transfer it. Go read it on the other blog.


  8. 8 Gil in Mechanicsville June 18, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    Raisins… You offer further proof the truth can be stranger than fiction… 🙂 Great lead by the way, perhaps you could tell the one about how a team calls up 2/3 rds of their AAA roster and negates the need to move their minor league franchise to Atlanta as the player are already there…


  9. 9 Gil in Mechanicsville June 18, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    By the way, Richmond is looking for some pitching help… Think anyone could be getting healthy on the big Braves’ staff????


  10. 10 Hillbilly June 18, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    Y’all are not missing much with the Peachtree broadcasts. The scoreboard display at the top of the screen sucks, Chip is annoying as he!!, and the “sideline” reporter, J.J., is horrible. The only time I actually get excited about a Peachtree Game is on a weekend when Skip is filling in. I just can’t force myself to enjoy Chip.


  11. 11 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 18, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    Very good indeed VOR! Sounds like you are the semi growed up version of your son! 😛 You did forget the tale about the tattooed Aussie reliever who was likely to be our(next) closer,was found to have a bone spur so big, it needed two zip codes, had it removed, and put an end to his season. 😦


  12. 12 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 18, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    and SG, I had several fascinating things to say at the end of the last blog, please read, as I read every one of your 50,000 word “posts” 🙂


  13. 13 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 18, 2008 at 3:27 pm

    Tiger Woods is pretty tough!

    Thanks for the speedy new blog CL! Why was the old one so slow??? It seemed that way from about post 300 on!


  14. 14 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 18, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    Just getting caught up on baseball news…from mlbtraderumors.com

    <b.Braves Interested In Randy Winn?
    According to Henry Schulman of the San Francisco Chronicle, the Braves are one team with “apparent interest” in Giants right fielder Randy Winn. Winn can play all three outfield positions. Lately the Braves have been using Brandon Jones in left, Gregor Blanco in center, and Jeff Francoeur in right. Matt Diaz will be out several more weeks with a knee injury, while Mark Kotsay has a lower back issue.

    Winn, 34, is hitting a respectable .298/.359/.447 in 288 plate appearances. Winn’s line would look better in center field, but Blanco has a tidy .375 OBP going. Winn makes $8MM this year and $8.25MM in ’09. He can block trades to ten teams. I imagine Brian Sabean would settle for a marginal prospect if a team would take on all of Winn’s contract.

    Oh good grief!!! I hope this is just a rumor, and never gets beyond talk… Yeah, he’s hitting .298…but 5 homers, 27 RBi’s for the year. And from what I can tell, he’s doing that batting 3rd in front of 2 guys hitting in the .280’s. Can’t Brandon Jones do that??? Find some stud left fielder that would hit 20-25 homers the rest of the way, ok(And who in the world fits that bill?)…otherwise, it’s just gotta be the Giants talking.


  15. 15 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 18, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    This is already getting a bit old, but some Tex trade talk…I have to say about Olney’s Red Sox dreaming…no way we would trade him for 2nd tier prospects…and even with losing Glavine and Smoltz, if Morton keeps pitching like he did the first start, we won’t need starting pitching, at least this year!

    • The Atlanta Braves continue to struggle, and at some point, they will face the same decision with Mark Teixeira that the Indians have to make with C.C. Sabathia: Do they trade the prospective free agent for established talent, or do they keep him for the rest of the season and just take the draft-pick compensation when he walks away at the end of the year?

    In a summer in which teams are absolutely starving for power hitters, the Braves might well get more value by trading him — to the Angels, who may need to find a way to make up for the power that Vladimir Guerrero has not been providing, or the Dodgers, or the Yankees (though this is very unlikely). But here’s an intriguing thought (and it’s nothing but speculation): For the same reason that the Red Sox might be the best-positioned team to make a run at Sabathia, if they wanted to, Boston could be best positioned to make a short-term acquisition of Teixeira.

    The only reason the Red Sox would consider doing this would be if they determined, internally, that David Ortiz will not be able to make it all the way back. Even though he might play again this year, that does not guarantee that he actually will come close to being as good as he has been in the past, with wrist injuries being an uncertain and touchy matter. The Red Sox are so loaded with prospects that they can hang onto the likes of Clay Buchholz and Jon Lester and Justin Masterson and Jed Lowrie and tell other teams to consider their secondary prospects. And while there is on-going debate about how much money Teixeira will be paid as a free agent this fall — many executives think it will be far less than the $200 million speculated upon in some corners — there is no doubt that he would be a suitable replacement for Ortiz. The Red Sox could essentially rotate the Gold Glover with Kevin Youkilis and Mike Lowell in the first/third/DH spots, and down the stretch, they could simulate the kind of power that Ortiz has given them in the past. And then, at season’s end, they could let Teixeira walk away and they could take the draft picks as compensation.

    I don’t think the Red Sox would do it — with or without Teixeira, they are a great team capable of winning the World Series again — and if they have to replace Ortiz’s offense, they could do so with a less costly player. My colleague Peter Gammons thinks Josh Willingham of the Marlins would be a great fit. All interesting thoughts.

    There! Stuff to chew on for awhile, whilst I do important stuff….


  16. 16 flbravesgirl June 18, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    Back for just a sec. Hillbilly, that would still be better than no game or being forced to listen to the opposing team’s guys, most of whom don’t know squat about the Braves. I’m biased of course but our broadcasters seem like they try to be knowledgeable about the other team.

    The Red Sox don’t need Teixeira IMO.


  17. 17 lew614 June 18, 2008 at 4:58 pm

    Hillbilly-I promise you would quickly learn an appreciation of Chip if you had to watch (and occasionally listen to on XM) some of the absolute idiots the other teams have doing their radio and TV work.

    I was telling someone on the other blog yesterday that the Brewers’ guys are the most ill informed and clueless people doing play by play and color commentary. They tried telling us that Blanco had most of the season’s playing time in center while Kotsay was still activated. He had actually played two games there.

    As much as I always iked Ron Santo of the Cubs as a player, sympathized completely with his diabetic problems and his amputations as a rsult, listening to him on XM during the Cubs series was painful. He was so bad it was brutal.

    Unfortunately, I haven’t seen or heard a broadcast in two weeks with ANY Braves’ guys. Believe me. Chip would be a pleasant change. Really. I promise.


  18. 18 flbravesgirl June 18, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    I’m glad it’s not just me, Lew. I’ve got to rely on y’all to share any news/info our guys say on the broadcast because generally the other team’s guys don’t have a clue about the Braves.


  19. 19 Savannah Guy June 18, 2008 at 6:10 pm

    Stopped in for a breather. Lew, I’ll be glad when XM and Sirius merge. Maybe then the contraction will weed out a few of those that shouldn’t be announcing games or anything else.

    When I used to listen to games on XM (last year and a few years before), at least all home games would have Skip and the home guys… away games would have the away team’s announcers, but it was bearable.

    Then again, who knows… if they merge the two stations they may just promote the worst and we’d get Howard Stern announcing games, having x-rated conversations with the Braves cheerleaders throughout the game. I can hear it now, “so, tell me what you have to do to become a cheerleader for the… wait, there’s crowd noise… something just happened… does anybody know? One of the teams scored or something. Whatever… baseball is so noisy. Shut the windows in this booth. Now Sherry, tell me about…”


  20. 20 flbravesgirl June 18, 2008 at 6:13 pm

    I don’t think that the merger will make a difference, SG. They use the teams’ regular radio feed.


  21. 21 flbravesgirl June 18, 2008 at 6:18 pm

    Why do baseball teams need cheerleaders anyway? It makes no sense. It’s not like football, where the men need to look at something during the 14,000 time-outs per game.


  22. 22 lew614 June 18, 2008 at 6:23 pm

    SG-Not too sure of that assertion (or hope), Dude. Sirius has never broadcast baseball games-just football. While I would love to listen to my Buccaneers every Sunday for the first time in seven years, I hold no hope for any improvement in the baseball announcing.

    Part of the problem is that they are not employed by XM, but the individual clubs. EG-When the Braves are at home, Skip (or whomever)and Pete are the team. If away, the other club’s feed with their radio crew is the broadcast team du jour. We’re doomed. May as well reconcile ourselves to it. Must have to do with expansion watering down the talent pool-just like pitching, right?


  23. 23 Savannah Guy June 18, 2008 at 6:30 pm

    Why do baseball teams need cheerleaders anyway?

    Hmmm. Dunno FBG, maybe it’s a plot between MLB and owners. We are being prepared for instant replay. Or maybe it’s just a nice way to deliver tee shirts to the crowd with that little air-gun rocket tee-launcher thingy. Don’t get me wrong FBG… they’re cute and all in those skimpy little shorty shorts and tight little tee’s… well, maybe they’re not that bad afterall. Hmmm…

    Nah, I actually find the whole spectacle more annoying than anything else. But then, I don’t like 40′ foot cows in the outfield stands, the blaring top 40 music or the ‘wave’ either. Maybe I just like to watch the game and talk to whoever I’m there with. Call me crazy.


  24. 24 flbravesgirl June 18, 2008 at 6:39 pm

    I’m waiting to see how the cow thing is going to work. Hey, you never know. People go crazy over someone running around dressed like a giant bratwurst in Milwaukee after all.


  25. 25 Savannah Guy June 18, 2008 at 6:41 pm

    Lew, I suspect you’re right about the dilution of broadcast talent. Maybe by the time our ears go the way of our hide and hair, they’ll have good announcers… by then it won’t matter, cause we’ll just have that little hearing impaired device turned on our TV so we can read what the announcers are saying.


    We won’t be able to hear it so we’ll complain about the typist.


  26. 26 Savannah Guy June 18, 2008 at 6:46 pm

    Raisins, ‘twas a very nice lead and read indeed. Enjoyed it… and that’s very cool and promising creative stuff by the little Raisin too. Didn’t know you wrote fiction. C’mon now, be raisinable… who’da thunkit in the spring?

    First, we all thought we’d have a pretty well rounded team at Spring Training. Then in April we saw pitchers dropping like, uh, cousins of sleuth reporters. Left and right, down… gone for the season or DL’ed. Then we had a bullpen that was unexpectedly remarkable. Then Huddy took us on a Dr. Jekyll Mr. Hyde rollercoaster ride (still is). Then we saw unexpectedly amazing starts by Jurrjens, Campillo and now Morton acting like they’re supposed to be in the rotation… and they are!

    All this time, beginning when our pitchers all checked into the whoopsie daisy injury clinic for arm problems (and assorted body part issues on Hampton), we thought pitching would sink us early. Then it turned out that pitching was our strength and HITTING was the problem.

    Many thought Chipper was going to have an injury plagued, ‘twilight of career’ season with an expected drop in batting average. He’s hitting .400 in mid June. Incredible. We thought Tex would be the big bopper that would carry the team. Whoosh… we’re still waiting for him to ‘heat up’. We figured Frenchy would improve his D and his hitting, then whiff and slosh… it ain’t happenin’. It’s just a fictional season all around. It’s the kind of year that anything could happen… anything! Who knows… Phillies could run into a bunch of injuries.

    Here’s an idea. On this particular Raisins blog number 49, you should have little Raisins write a little fiction story for us and post it. It’ll be his story, in his own words and with his own spelling too. That’d be fun to read. Could be a keepsake… his very first published work!


  27. 27 Savannah Guy June 18, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    I had several fascinating things to say at the end of the last blog, please read, as I read every one of your 50,000 word “posts”

    Bear, fifty thousand words? Me? Fifty large? Fitty-K? The big Five-0?

    Book ‘em Danno… for unreasonable exaggeration. You’ve been warned about your exaggerations. That’s right, over two million times just this week by over 8000 denizens here on this blog alone. Gee willikers…

    Frenchy said he’d never pull himself out of the lineup, and I am sure Bobby loves that….but, it isn’t good for the team right now….

    Yes, I did read your post… and it was fascinating, kiddo. I always read all comments, almost always before I post. As far as Bobby’s management style or not making seemingly rational calls at times for not benching/resting Frensheesh or Bobby’s oft bizarre use of the pen and so forth… yes, I’ve read that about two hundred million times. it’s been written one hundred ninety five million different ways on eight thousand different blogs.

    I’ve even written about that subject myself at least a million times. But you said it better than at least one hundred ninety nine million, nine hundred ninety nine thousand, nine hundred and eighty five others that attempted the subject. Give or take a few million here or there.

    Could be a little off… my adding machine just froze up. Will reconcile later.



  28. 28 Carolina Lady June 18, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    FBG, forgot to mention earlier –
    from the previous blog about Hampton DL’d for a ‘strained eyelid’ – funny!!! 😆


  29. 29 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 18, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    Hurley, the Hurler! Even though he’s not nearly as tall as Chris Young, he seems to throw the ball past guys with a 91 MPH pitch, and has a good slider and change-up….Frenchy gets a hit….those one for 4’s will keep him in the line-up forever…


  30. 30 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 18, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    Heres an interesting did ya know….Frenchy is batting…. .237….against lefties! .265 against right-handers. .317 against lefties last year, .281 against righties…someone ‘splain that to me!


  31. 31 Salty June 18, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    …someone ’splain that to me!
    Uhm…he ain’t hittin’ well this year! That’s my ‘splanation…and I’m stickin’ to it! 🙂

    Strained eyelid! 😯 Happens to umps, right!?! 😕

    Oooh…watchin’ Kotsay work out! Nice to see…hit from the tee tomorrow? Hmmm…what’s a healthy Braves team look like anyway?


  32. 32 Savannah Guy June 18, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    someone ’splain that to me!

    Simple.. he’s not hitting as well, hence the lower averages. 😆


  33. 33 Savannah Guy June 18, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    Salty beat me to it.:lol:


  34. 34 Salty June 18, 2008 at 9:20 pm

    In Brandon Jones, I see a bit of a resemblance to Renteria…at times. Am I alone…very…alone?


  35. 35 Salty June 18, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    Very great minds think alike, SG! :mrgreen:


  36. 36 Savannah Guy June 18, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    You are alone Salty. But he does look like Renty. 😆


  37. 37 Savannah Guy June 18, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    I was gonna say the ‘great minds’ thing too… but I knew you would. 😀


  38. 38 Salty June 18, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    40-foot cow…oh, the bovine-osity! 🙄 Think they’ll use it to launch fireworks after a homerun? Could be interesting! 😆 The cow does have horns, right?


  39. 39 Savannah Guy June 18, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    We’re going to need more than two runs, people.

    Just realized I forgot to put Jo Jo in my earlier post to Raisins. So, we have Huddy, Jo Jo, Jair, Campillo and Morton. We have Glav and Hampton in some capacity or some role at some point. We’ll need help for these young arms this year so they don’t get burned out… but with the vets and some long relief here and there I like our chances with pitching.

    Now… those bats have to heat up or it’s all moot.


  40. 40 Savannah Guy June 18, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    The cow does have horns, right?

    Whoever told you that is full of bull.


  41. 41 Carolina Lady June 18, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    I’m trying to visualize sitting in the stands across from the cow and having to look at the underside of the thing for a whole game. Ummm, I don’t think so.

    This sounds like something that Bill Veeck would have come up with in the old days!


  42. 42 Savannah Guy June 18, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    The cow has a problem… on leg is shorter than the other. Has been named Eileen.


  43. 43 Savannah Guy June 18, 2008 at 9:35 pm

    Blogjam… Salty, did you cause my post to get caught in the lint trap?


  44. 44 Savannah Guy June 18, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    CL, I agree. Not a good visual. An utter shame. So many will milk the cow jokes until fans will just get up and hoof it out of the stands in herds.


  45. 45 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 18, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    man, go away for awhile, and everyone posts!!! 🙄


  46. 47 Savannah Guy June 18, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    Bears back… quick… hide. 😆


  47. 48 Carolina Lady June 18, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    Is the Ted the new Cow Palace? Or is it now The Barnyard?


  48. 49 Savannah Guy June 18, 2008 at 9:46 pm

    Fran comes through in a pinch once again.


  49. 50 Savannah Guy June 18, 2008 at 9:46 pm

    This will not win games. Fran needs to sit. Period. Arrrggghhh!!!!!


  50. 51 Savannah Guy June 18, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    CL… I think we can use both names, depending on how things are going.


  51. 52 Carolina Lady June 18, 2008 at 9:50 pm

    Did you ever hear the old, old recording of Andy Griffith’s “What It Was Was Football”?


  52. 53 Savannah Guy June 18, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    Right now I want to rant about how Bobby Cox manages… how he leaves players in for way too long, until whatever physical, mental or mechanical problem gets so entrenched in their psyche that they stay in a funk all year.

    But I won’t. Just imagine about 12 more critical paragraphs here, discussing the flaws in doing that.

    Then I’ll write a few more about how Kelly has to stop that throw.


  53. 54 Savannah Guy June 18, 2008 at 9:54 pm

    I hate to lose games like this.


  54. 55 Carolina Lady June 18, 2008 at 9:54 pm

    I agree with all 12 paragraphs! 😆


  55. 56 chrisklob June 18, 2008 at 9:55 pm

    How’s this for a new logo:

    You mess with the bull, you get the horns!


  56. 57 Savannah Guy June 18, 2008 at 9:55 pm

    CL, never heard it.

    I missed it… where is Yunel?


  57. 58 chrisklob June 18, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    SG, those were the best twelve paragraphs you’ve never written!! 😀


  58. 59 Savannah Guy June 18, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    After that inning, we’d have Red Bull.


  59. 60 Carolina Lady June 18, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    Could put us on the horns of a dilemma.


  60. 61 Savannah Guy June 18, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    Klobber… that hurt.


  61. 62 Savannah Guy June 18, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    Just imagine 14 paragraphs below explaining why being verbose is really OK. 😆


  62. 63 Carolina Lady June 18, 2008 at 9:58 pm

    What It Was Was Football – 1953


  63. 64 chrisklob June 18, 2008 at 10:10 pm

    I’m just kiddin ya’ SG. Didn’t you see the laughing emoticon dude? Here, lemme pour you a double White Russki!


  64. 65 Savannah Guy June 18, 2008 at 10:14 pm

    Gotta hit’em whar they ain’t t’sall.

    CL, that Andy clip was funny. Last weekend we tuned in to a Mayberry marathon and watched about five. Good stuff.

    Ratabout nye’uh, ah thank I’m’a gawna hav’a drank jus lack Andy, only not ornge jooce, an just’a sit back down rat’cheer and watch’chis’seer ball game raht’ov’ar on thayut tellyvision. Mmmm, hmmm. That’s’a whut’ahm gawn’a do. Yes’m.


  65. 66 Savannah Guy June 18, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    Nah, Klobber… feelings an all. Drink? Sure pal… 3 fingers of the good stuff. 🙂


  66. 67 Carolina Lady June 18, 2008 at 10:49 pm

    Gonzalez is gonna close tonight??? 😯


  67. 68 Savannah Guy June 18, 2008 at 10:49 pm

    Bobby won’t put Gonzo in here, now… not in this game. Right?


  68. 69 Savannah Guy June 18, 2008 at 10:50 pm



  69. 70 chrisklob June 18, 2008 at 10:51 pm

    Welcome back to the bigs Mr Gonzalez. No pressure, or anything. Just go out there and have a good time.


  70. 71 Carolina Lady June 18, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    That is the strangest position I’ve ever seen.


  71. 72 chrisklob June 18, 2008 at 10:53 pm

    Is he hyperventilating? Does Jeff Porter need to take him a paper bag to breathe in?


  72. 73 Savannah Guy June 18, 2008 at 10:57 pm

    WOW!!!!! Well, that worked out. Gonzo was lights out. We needed that. He needed that. Braves win Braves win.


  73. 74 Carolina Lady June 18, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    Whew. Well, that will take some ‘getting used to’. I read a quote where he said he was so excited about coming back that he hadn’t really slept all week.


  74. 75 Savannah Guy June 18, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    I would hate to have faced Gonzales as a batter tonight. Bullets flyin’.


  75. 77 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 18, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    Maybe his wife told him he could make love to her again…. once he closed a game in the majors!!! 😯


  76. 78 Savannah Guy June 18, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    I loved his stance, the rocking, the mean, madman approach. Killer instinct. Much needed by the Braves. All that and articulate… like it a lot.


  77. 79 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 18, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    keep depriving him Mrs. Gonzo! 👿


  78. 80 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 18, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    keep depriving him Mrs. Gonzo! 😈 Thank emoticon fits better! 😛


  79. 81 chrisklob June 18, 2008 at 11:09 pm

    I loved his stance, the rocking, the mean, madman approach. Killer instinct. Much needed by the Braves. All that and articulate… like it a lot.

    The killer instinct is something that has been sorely missed this year. How many times did they have a lead and let the other guy back in. When you’ve got your enemy on his back and your hands are around his neck, you have to squeeze like hell. These guys haven’t been doing that. Hopefully Gonzo gives them a nice boost and they pick up something from his attitude on the mound.


  80. 82 morpheus45 June 18, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Mike Gonzalez. It’s about time we had someone in here with a little personality and flair. I’m sure Bobby will work as hard as he can to kill it, but maybe it’ll take a while and we can enjoy a real baseball player in the interim. I also hereby apologize for my lack of confidence in JoJo; while my feelings were not misplaced in general they happened to be wrong in relation to this particular man who overcame himself in the last couple of months. Bully for you, sir. We may have a shot after all.

    Raisins, good lead.


  81. 83 morpheus45 June 18, 2008 at 11:11 pm

    Anybody else wishing that 9 million had gone to the pitcher who actually has a pair?


  82. 84 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 18, 2008 at 11:16 pm

    Gonzo the mad Hungarian Texan!!!! 🙂 We do need someone like this, that WANTS the ball in the 9th!


  83. 85 Gil in Mechanicsville June 18, 2008 at 11:17 pm

    “Could put us on the horns of a dilemma”

    Isn’t that a De Loren that breaks down a lot???

    Did anyone else notice that Gonzalez is no longer pitching across his body? He is coming more over the top with his pitches…

    Great game by the way, this is the Braves team I have been expecting to see since the end of spring training…


  84. 86 Gil in Mechanicsville June 18, 2008 at 11:19 pm

    Well, maybe not the same players I was expecting to see but you folks get the idea….


  85. 87 Gil in Mechanicsville June 18, 2008 at 11:20 pm

    Now, hopefully Bobby won’t fall in love with his new toy in the bullpen and wear out Gonzo before the end of July…


  86. 88 morpheus45 June 18, 2008 at 11:27 pm

    Yeah, Gil, back to back two inning saves are next in line. Look for two other RP’s to have their innings attached to him while they go from being overused to languishing in the pen. But it’s important to “throw him into the fire” 12 months into an 18 month recovery.


  87. 89 morpheus45 June 18, 2008 at 11:34 pm

    I bet head cooch blew every gasket holding his fragile psyche together when Blanco hit that triple; it probably validated to him every outrageous claim he pitied us for not believing in the last three or four years, making us all fools. But, if it works it works and I don’t mind in this case if it makes him 3-562 all time. 🙂


  88. 90 Gil in Mechanicsville June 18, 2008 at 11:49 pm

    Grinch… I would say he was due… 🙂


  89. 91 morpheus45 June 19, 2008 at 12:06 am

    Indeed. He was due to be right (at least temporarily) like Graham Chapman was due to find the Holy Grail.

    Now, BEER. Yes, I’m temporarily off the wagon. Where the hell is everyone? Y’all act like you’ve got to get up in the morning, or something.


  90. 92 flbravesgirl June 19, 2008 at 12:44 am

    Good evening y’all. Good to see Gonzo in there, even if he’s a little strange to watch. I guess closers should be a little crazy. Too bad Jo-Jo didn’t get the win. He’s looking more & more like a guy who’s figured out what he needs to be doing.


  91. 93 flbravesgirl June 19, 2008 at 1:00 am

    I guess everyone’s gone to bed. Good night y’all.


  92. 94 chrisklob June 19, 2008 at 1:05 am

    Here’s an interesting story about some guys that don’t get nearly the credit that they deserve for the jobs they perform:



  93. 95 Bay Area Steve June 19, 2008 at 2:07 am

    Eileen…man that was funny…or I’m just that drunk.

    Grinch, still waiting on the link, sir.

    Scray stuff on Obama, Klobber; thanks for the email.

    Lew, welcome back; thanks SG.

    Off to the bar…wish me luck.


  94. 96 Bay Area Steve June 19, 2008 at 2:08 am

    Before I go, a short rant about wordpress randomly assigning avatars.

    ’tis BS (sorry CL, but it is what it is).


  95. 97 Bay Area Steve June 19, 2008 at 4:38 am

    I would attempt domination…

    but know that I am too lazy to match the 15 straight of VOR and SG.


  96. 98 Bay Area Steve June 19, 2008 at 4:41 am

    Man, I could use a Berigan mucus update about now.


  97. 99 Bay Area Steve June 19, 2008 at 4:43 am

    SG and FBG, is there a place in the square for a town drunk?

    Panhandling allowed?


  98. 100 Bay Area Steve June 19, 2008 at 6:04 am

    I am sincerely happy that Lew is back.

    And I cannot stop myself from posting this; please forgive me CL.

    I am selfish, and I truly wish everybody was back together.

    Something happened some weeks ago. While I don’t know the particulars, I feel I know the folks involved well enough to know that nothing too harmful could’ve been said.

    A successful blog is an all but impossible thing. Leaving the AJC blog was a dramatic step, one I understood on principle. But I think you folks need to be read; you are entertaining, and enjoyable, and others need to see that. Personally, I would’ve said “FU” (sorry, CL) DOB, and went about my business. However, I understood. But, now that some have left, and others’ interest is waning, I worry about the future of this space.

    All I am trying to say, is that this is a glorious place. I am truly impressed by what CL and all of you have done. I simply worry that far fewer people can enjoy your minds, and your words.

    I really wish I had the skill of a ssiscribe, or a scoots, or a braveheart. I wish I knew how to say this better, and I know I shouldn’t be saying it at all. But, I am a selfish man. I want all of you together again.

    Anywho, I realize this is an unwanted post, but can’t help myself. I’ll try to refrain from doing so in the future. But know that I’ll always be reading, happily.

    Thank you, to all of you.

    008, you’re old.


  99. 101 Savannah Guy June 19, 2008 at 7:40 am

    Good game last night. Even with the pitchers duel, Jo Jo held a lead and didn’t give in even when tied… that showed guts. Then, like days of old, the back of our order scratched out some late, clutch hits and got us some runs. Then Gonzo slammed the door shuy like we haven’t seen in a long while. Classic Braves stuff.

    I’ll have to also fess up and ditto Grinch on the Jo Jo call. My lack of confidence is in the record… somewhere, back there. The man has guts, his focus is better, he’s gotten stronger, goes later in the games. Wish someone that was not lazy like me would let us know how his pitch count has increased. I know his innings have increased. Jo Jo is looking like a damn fine starter.


  100. 102 Savannah Guy June 19, 2008 at 7:55 am

    Who is that passed out… er, sleeping on the park bench over there in the Stuffville Town Square with that crumpled up newspaper over their face? Hmmm…

    Must investigate further.


  101. 103 Savannah Guy June 19, 2008 at 8:06 am

    Something happened some weeks ago. While I don’t know the particulars, I feel I know the folks involved well enough to know that nothing too harmful could’ve been said.

    Bay Area Steve, not sure what you’re referring to but all is well and good around these parts. Oh, we’ve had our family squabbles and rubber-tipped sword fights and such like any family or group of thinking adults but the molehills that momentarily turned into mountains are once again well-trodden flat ground.

    We was wondering where you was. Listen up… practice what you preach and get back in here more regularly instead of wandering through the park with that half pint wrapped in the paper bag. We’ve been a’missin’ you around here to, hear? You don’t wanna be a’sleepin’ on a park bench, even if it is in safe little Stuffville park. Not dangerous to sleep on a bench mind you, but the, uh… well, we have pigeons and all. Best cover the face with something. An AJC paper works pretty well as a cover. Just try not to read the political section.

    Tell ya what… why don’t you grab that little vacant diner down by Klobber’s KC Saloon. You can serve breakfast starting at midnight. Eggs, bacon, cheese grits, pancakes, hash browns, corned beef hash… and maybe offer up whatever they serve over in there on the Bay for some exotic menu items… like fried abalone and rice-a-roni with poached eggs on top and such. Could go upscale like Fog City Diner or maybe rustic like Heinold’s First and Last Chance Saloon over on Jack London Square. Maybe ‘Steve’s Last Chance Diner’.

    Lack the sherrf Andy mite say, havin’ a cot an a ‘ol hound dawg to curl up with is a dang site better’n slaypin’ on thayut ‘ol park baynch o’vair with thayem pigeons an awl. Sumpin’ lye’kat. Mmm hmm.

    Yessir, a sauf feathur bed show is mo betta than’a baynch with them pigeons.


  102. 104 Savannah Guy June 19, 2008 at 8:25 am

    This good and fine morning has already brought word from friends with stories of Angels and Bonaroo too.

    And the sun rises over yonder mountain.


  103. 105 williamwallace June 19, 2008 at 8:49 am

    This JoJo is looking like a helluva pitcher. Over his last 15 outings, including 14 starts, he’s got a 3.75 ERA over 86 innings. Over his last 5 starts, 35 innings, 2.80 ERA, 29 Ks, only 12 walks. 7 IP per start. Wow! Who knew? Well, I guess the Braves did. They kept saying he projected as a top of the rotation starter as opposed to Jurrjens who projects as a middle of the rotation starter. I laughed at them but I was wrong.

    As good as Jurrjens is, I think Morton and JoJo definitely have the potential to be better than Jair. Jurrjens seems fully developed – he has the control, the poise and all that good stuff. Jair’s just so refined already that he seems like he’s as good as he ever will be – which is fine because he’s darn good. But JoJo and Morton seem like they have the ability to get better and better. Jair is more of the sure bet but Morton and JoJo could be studs.

    I wish Chuck James would get back to the form he had from August 1, 2006 until August 1, 2007 when he went 16-10 with a 3.50 ERA. If the Braves are just gonna be mediocre, I would much rather watch a rotation of Hudson, Jair, JoJo, Morton and Chuck than torture myself watching Glavine and Hampton or whoever else. Watching Hudson and the kids would be awesome.

    20-11 when Jair, JoJo, Jorge, and Morton start.

    16-26 when Smoltz, Hudson, James, Glavine and Bennett start.

    25-16 when Smoltz, Jair, JoJo, Jorge, Morton, Chuck start

    11-21 when Hudson, Glavine and Bennett start

    13-24 when Hudson, Glavine, Bennett and Chuck start

    10-18 when Hudson and Glavine start

    7-9 when Hudson starts

    3-9 when Glavine starts

    Hudson has been a tough luck pitcher but that’s why there is hope for a dramatic turnaround. Hudson’s teams usually win well over 60% of his starts. Look at our record when Jorge, Jair, JoJo and Morton start. If this offense wakes up and helps Hudson out a bit, the Braves could do some serious damage over the next 40 games with Hudson, Jair, JoJo, Morton and Jorge. I’m thinking they could go 25-15 or even better. But Tex and Francoeur need to wake the hell up. And KJ has put up solid numbers but has still not had one of those torrid one or two week stretches he is capable of where he kills everyone.


  104. 106 Savannah Guy June 19, 2008 at 9:04 am

    Lunch box ready, got hat, bullet proof vest, raincoat, peanut butter and jelly sammich… gotta go work. But first, a coupl’a shiny new quarters in the old dusty juke box.

    See you soon.

    Coldplay’s Chris Martin intro’s Verve’s Richard Ashcroft.


  105. 107 Salty June 19, 2008 at 9:17 am

    Thanks, SG! Everytime someone hits the filter, Salty’s called out! Wassupwitdat! 😕 Sheesh! 🙄 Jes’ joshin, ya!

    Watch Gonzo in his next appearance (this afternoon…I hope not!). I like that subtle rockin’ motion…looks like a Cobra hypnotizing its’ prey…before the STRIKE! 😯 Deadly!!!!


  106. 108 Salty June 19, 2008 at 9:20 am

    Nice to see Steve, Grinch, and WW droppin’ in to see what condition Stuffville’s condition is in! SG’s right, Steve…watch for the pigeon pooh…stuff!


  107. 109 Carolina Lady June 19, 2008 at 9:30 am

    Salty, can you imagine how distracting Gonzo’s rocking is to the hitters?? 😆


  108. 110 Carolina Lady June 19, 2008 at 9:31 am

    And how can the umpires tell if he has balked?? Davidson would go nuts!


  109. 111 chrisklob June 19, 2008 at 9:35 am

    WW, I agree that it’s nice to see all the young guys have success at the major league level. One thing that worries me though is the number of innings that the kids may be asked to pitch this year. I’d hate for Cox to burn those guys arms out. That’ll put us in a pickle next year.

    Nice to see the cameos from BAS and Grinch. Y’all should really come around a little more often.


  110. 112 Gil in Mechanicsville June 19, 2008 at 9:37 am

    BAS… Don’t complain about the avatar, it could have been worse… 🙂 However, you are right in that the B&S blog is one of the preeminent Braves blogs. The fact that it is not as widely read as some others is no great loss to the us, only to those who have not yet found us. Tis quality and not quantity that is important.

    Braveheart, while I agree with most of your post on the Braves young pitching staff, I could not help but think about how many folks likely gave up on Morton before his emergence in the AFL… Goes to show that we don’t always know which trees will yield fruit when the seed are first planted.

    Consider this, of all the pitchers plying their trade in the minor leagues, how many will actually become a big league starter? From Rookie ball to AAA, how many will actually be a number one? That is why they earn the big bucks because there are so darn few who actually make it.


  111. 113 lew614 June 19, 2008 at 9:56 am

    Gil-All we need is for Hanson and one other to achieve their promise and along with JJ, JoJo and Morton, we should have a staff for the next decade. Add a healed Chuck James with a third pitch and I’m quite optimistic with how it could go.


  112. 114 Carolina Lady June 19, 2008 at 9:57 am

    Steve, I’ve done what I could about your unwanted avatar. Can’t do anything else about your other complaints. Sorry.


  113. 115 chrisklob June 19, 2008 at 10:00 am

    Nice new avatar, Lew. 🙂


  114. 116 flbravesgirl June 19, 2008 at 10:04 am

    Good morning y’all. Glad to see some of our wandering brethren check in.

    Happy now, Lew? A nice blank slate. I think you should draw your own avatar.


  115. 117 lew614 June 19, 2008 at 10:10 am

    I like blank slates and I do not want an avatar. I do not NEED an avatar. I’m enough as myself.


  116. 118 flbravesgirl June 19, 2008 at 10:18 am

    OK Lew. Blank slate (or maybe canvas) it is.


  117. 119 Gil in Mechanicsville June 19, 2008 at 10:28 am

    On the bright side…. Perhaps with the return of Gonzo, Bobby will allow Manny to rest a bit more. I don’t know why the Braves carry 13 pitchers when he uses the same 5 relievers to the point of their braking down.


  118. 120 williamwallace June 19, 2008 at 10:32 am

    To be honest, Gil, I had never even heard of Morton before AFL. But the kid is impressive. I do worry though because if these fans don’t have the stomach to deal with the growing pains of Francoeur and KJ, how are they gonna have the intestinal fortitude to be patient enough with the pitchers? Young, developing hitters are easier to deal with than young pitchers. Pitchers seem to get hurt alot, their confidence suffers more and they don’t have as many opportunities as hitters to go out there everyday and shake off a bad performance. I just hope that all of these people all geeked up about Morton, JoJo and Jair brace themselves for injuries, inconsistencies and maybe a stink bomb of a season from one, two or all three of them over the next few years. Just look at Chuck. 16-10 with a 3.50 over a 365 day period. 120 games later, he is persona non grata to most of these fans. Or look at Francoeur. 24 years old, has done some really good things, has demonstrated in each of the 3 previous seasons that he gets better in the second half of the season but these people just want to toss him into the waste bin. Of course, these are the same fools that want to trade away everyone and start over with a youth movement when they keep showing they don’t have the patience for it.


  119. 121 flbravesgirl June 19, 2008 at 10:40 am

    Oh, a lot of them will whine , complain & cuss, WW. There’s always going to be the “what-have-you-done-for-me-lately” crowd. I like seeing the homegrown kids and just keep in mind that there will be some speedbumps. Of course it’s too soon to say anything about Morton but I’m impressed with the way Jair & especially Jo-Jo seem to really be learning from the experience this year & applying it… quickly.


  120. 122 lew614 June 19, 2008 at 10:49 am

    Braveheart-What the fans fail to understand is that no matter whether or not they have the patience to deal with growing pains, Bobby Cox and the Braves’ staff do and the fans have no say in the process-they just think they do.


  121. 123 Gil in Mechanicsville June 19, 2008 at 10:50 am

    Well, one way to not worry about a youth movement would be to become a Mets fan… 🙂

    And you make my point… Young pitchers are prone to inconsistencies. things like blisters and minor aches and pains are not always reported. Chuck James is only now recovering from an unreported (in the media) injury and is once again becoming an effective pitcher. The Braves as a team could be in a much better position if the offense had shown up earlier in the season.

    As for Frenchy, well, when you are not producing as expected, you need to be placed where you can do the least harm until you come around. We had to deal with Bobby’s refusal to face the fact that Andruw was a liability in the cleanup spot last year, I hate to see history repeat itself with Francoeur. Put him in a less demanding role and allow for someone else to give the team a chance to win some games.


  122. 124 lew614 June 19, 2008 at 10:51 am

    I’m also not too sure what a youth movement would entail, considering the Braves are the fifth youngest team in all of baseball and with Smoltz and Glavine (Hampton, too) gone after the season (yes, I know Smoltz will try to come back, but….), the team won’t be getting any older. The next step younger would entail Pampers.


  123. 125 flbravesgirl June 19, 2008 at 10:57 am

    You’re right, Lew. Tex will be gone, Kotsay, etc. Next year it’ll be Chipper & the core group of young guys.


  124. 126 Voice of Raisins June 19, 2008 at 11:03 am

    God mornong Stuffville!

    I like that subtle rockin’ motion…looks like a Cobra hypnotizing its’ prey…before the STRIKE! Deadly!!!!

    That is exactly the vision I related to while watching Gonzo to e the rubber. It was awesome from a pure spectalce point of view. That is the way to make a big comeback, eh? That was the proverbial shot in the arm.

    If, and I hate the word if, Charlie can follow up his impressive debut with another good outing, our boys can come home 5-5 from this roadie after a disastrous 0-3 start. That, my friends, is the kind of thing you can build momentum on. It’s exactly what they need. And with the emotional boost they’ve gotten from both Charlie and Gonzo, they might can make some hay in the next 6 at home with Seattle and Milwaukee and 3 at Toronto. Meanwhile, the Phillies have 3 at home against the Angels before hitting the road to Oaktown and Tejas.


  125. 127 flbravesgirl June 19, 2008 at 11:04 am

    It’s not a youth movement but more the natural progression of the team.


  126. 128 Voice of Raisins June 19, 2008 at 11:05 am

    Uh… good morning… 😳


  127. 129 Voice of Raisins June 19, 2008 at 11:06 am

    I need more coffee… 😐


  128. 130 flbravesgirl June 19, 2008 at 11:06 am

    😀 VOR.


  129. 131 williamwallace June 19, 2008 at 11:10 am

    What I like about JoJo is that he got knocked the hell out and humiliated last year in the majors and in spring training this year but he lifted himself off the mat and is fighting back. He battles. Love that. Francoeur and Chuck have now been flattened. Let’s see if they get off the mat and fight the way JoJo is. KJ suffered the most humiliating thing that can ever happen to a baseball player with that dropped flyball. I wanna see how well he bounces back. That’s the fun of watching kids. Morton is flying high right now and has been for a year. But he has a history of confidence issues. Let’s see how well he responds when he gets hammered for a few games in a row because he eventually will get hammered like that. Will he go back to being unsure of himself or will he roar back the way he has over the last year? I’m watching Brandon Jones now play like he is angry and determined to show that they never should have sent him back down to AAA. Escobar fought back after he suffered a horrible season in AA in 2006. McCann fought back and rededicated himself this winter after regressing a bit last year. Acosta was a little full of himself earlier this year but now seems shellshocked. Let’s see if he can get back in a groove (or if Bobby will let him by letting him rest).


  130. 132 Voice of Raisins June 19, 2008 at 11:13 am

    I like how Charlie, in his first start, had such mound presence. He worked quickly and dictated the pace. It’ll be interesting to watch him early today and see if he starts the game with the same confidence and presence.


  131. 133 flbravesgirl June 19, 2008 at 11:14 am

    You find out what they’re made of.

    One thing about Francoeur, he never looks like he’s having fun the way he used to.


  132. 134 williamwallace June 19, 2008 at 11:24 am

    Has anyone read the Feinstein book on Tom Glavine and Mike Mussina? It’s a good book. It’s cool reading about Glavine describe his gradual development as a pitcher and how important Sain and Mazzone were for building up his arm strength and how he wouldn’t have ever become what he became if he didn’t learn the changeup by accident.

    There was an interesting story in there about Glavine and his current wife. When they were dating, she told Glavine if I’m just your Tuesday and Friday girl, fine, I’m cool with that but just be honest and let me know that. If you want more, then let me know. After placing that ultimatum on him, Glavine didn’t call her for 3 months. He was all screwed in the head at the time he said because of his divorce.


  133. 135 flbravesgirl June 19, 2008 at 11:30 am

    Haven’t read it, WW. But I read Glavine’s book. He talked about how in rookie league (here in Bradenton) he was ready to give up & go home. That’s when Johnny Sain started working with him & turned him around.


  134. 136 Salty June 19, 2008 at 11:31 am

    Francoeur has a bit of a confidence crisis underway. He is unhappy, and has made the game complicated for himself…too much thinking, not enough ‘Jeff’ coming through. Striving for perfection in baseball (or pretty much anything) will burn you out quickly. He used to be ‘swing hard’ and let the chips fall where they may. Now, he’s trying to live/perform to fans’ and media expectations (and trying to keep up with McCann). No one needs to be anyone’s ‘Golden Child’ or ‘face of the franchise’. It will happen as a natural order of things…but shouldn’t be a goal. Jeff…be happy, and simplify your game, oh…and let Bobby know when you’re tired.


  135. 137 williamwallace June 19, 2008 at 11:34 am

    FBG, you’re right about Francoeur. He sure doesn’t look like he is having fun at all anymore. He was filled with so much life when he first came up. Does anyone else find Frenchy’s song choice for his batter introduction curious? Is there a message behind the song choice for the fans that people aren’t noticing? Or did he just so happen to pick a Bon Jovi song that he thinks sounds cool but perfectly describes how his relationship with the fans has developed?

    Shot through the heart and you’re to blame.
    Darlin’, you give love a bad name.

    An angel’s smile is what you sell.
    You promise me heaven then put me through hell.
    Chains of love got a hold on me.
    When passion’s a prison you can’t break free.
    Oh, you’re a loaded gun… yeah.
    Oh, there’s nowhere to run.
    No one can save me; the damage is done.

    Shot through the heart and you’re to blame.
    You give love a bad name.
    I play my part and you play your game.
    You give love a bad name.
    And you give love… a bad name.

    You paint your smile on your lips.
    Blood red nails on your fingertips.
    A school boy’s dream; you act so shy.
    Your very first kiss was your first kiss goodbye.
    Oh, you’re a loaded gun.
    Oh, there’s nowhere to run.
    No one can save me; the damage is done.

    Shot through the heart and you’re to blame.
    You give love a bad name.
    I play my part and you play your game.
    You give love a bad name.


  136. 138 flbravesgirl June 19, 2008 at 11:36 am

    I think there’s a physical problem too, Salty, but yeah that sounds pretty accurate.


  137. 139 flbravesgirl June 19, 2008 at 11:38 am

    I thought that was an odd choice too, WW, considering that song would be “old” to him.


  138. 140 Voice of Raisins June 19, 2008 at 11:50 am

    Perhaps the song choice is odd because he can’t seem to find a “hit” lately… 😀


  139. 141 flbravesgirl June 19, 2008 at 11:52 am

    It’s too bad for his sake we’re not closer to the AllStar break. 3 days of lounging around would probably do him a lot of good.


  140. 142 Salty June 19, 2008 at 11:55 am

    VOR….that’s cold!


  141. 143 williamwallace June 19, 2008 at 11:59 am

    Yeah, I’m just wondering if he is making a commentary on the fans through the song choice. The first kiss from the fans in 2005 was their first goodbye. The fans have shot me through the heart with all the criticism. The fans are to blame for breaking my heart. The fans give love a bad name. The fans promised me heaven and are now putting me through hell. The chains of love have me in shackles. The love/hate passion has imprisoned me and now I can’t escape and can’t be saved here. The damage is done.

    Probably reading too much into it but was he even born when that song came out?


  142. 144 flbravesgirl June 19, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    Probably not. Or he would have been very young.


  143. 145 Hillbilly June 19, 2008 at 12:07 pm


    That’s a pretty good assessment of the lyrics, but I can’t imagine Frenchy’s mind being that deep.


  144. 146 Hillbilly June 19, 2008 at 12:08 pm

    That album was released in 1986, I think, making it 22 years old. How old is Jeff?


  145. 147 flbravesgirl June 19, 2008 at 12:14 pm

    He’s 24.


  146. 148 williamwallace June 19, 2008 at 12:14 pm

    Hillbilly, you’re probably right. I can’t see Jeff thinking anything more than that song sounds cool. Jeff’s 24 so I guess he was 2 when that song came out.


  147. 149 flbravesgirl June 19, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    You could probably read things into a lot of guys’ song choices when in reality they never thought past “hey, I like that one!”. I think Chipper has the right idea, go for something that sounds ominous to the opposition.


  148. 150 Hillbilly June 19, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    Hillbilly, you’re probably right. I can’t see Jeff thinking anything more than that song sounds cool.

    And boy, is he wrong……

    Maybe I’m being harsh, but when I look at Jeff, especially when he’s running, I can’t help but think of…..(lord forgive me for this)….Gump. He’s Frenchy Gump. No way he parallels the lyrics to the fans.


  149. 151 Hillbilly June 19, 2008 at 12:28 pm

    “I’m not a smart man, but I know what plate discipline is.”


  150. 152 williamwallace June 19, 2008 at 12:29 pm

    Yeah, I heard Chipper in a radio interview this spring say that he picked that Ozzy Crazy Train song because he thought it sounded cool when he heard Larry Walker using it. He said he’s gotten tired of it and wanted to change it over the years but hasn’t because fans always tell him that no matter where they are in the stadium or in their house, when they hear the intro to that song, they knew he’s coming up and will drop what they are doing to go watch him hit.

    He said that he wanted to change it to Kid Rock’s Cocky because he thought it was so appropriate for him. The song lyrics are too filthy to post here but here is the chorus part of it that fits Chipper:

    They say I’m cocky, and I say What?
    It aint braggin’ ****** if ya back it up


  151. 153 williamwallace June 19, 2008 at 12:32 pm



  152. 154 flbravesgirl June 19, 2008 at 12:35 pm

    If the lyrics are that bad then I don’t think it’s appropriate for the ballpark either. C’mon Chipper, you’ve got little kids.


  153. 155 williamwallace June 19, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    There was another interesting part of the Feinstein book where Kasten says it makes no sense that Glavine is a hardcore union man while at the same time being a country club Republican while Kasten represents the company but is a Democrat


  154. 156 williamwallace June 19, 2008 at 12:39 pm

    I hate to say this but after watching that Frenchy In His Own Words thing for the millionth time, Frenchy is a Mensa member compared to his wife


  155. 157 flbravesgirl June 19, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    I thought she was a teacher.


  156. 158 Hillbilly June 19, 2008 at 12:44 pm

    I had some really dumb teachers in high school. Just saying.


  157. 159 Salty June 19, 2008 at 12:44 pm

    Frenchy is a Mensa member compared to his wife

    Not all trophies sit ‘pon de shelf, mon! 😆


  158. 160 Hillbilly June 19, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    I’m a Computer Information Systems grad. Yet I’m only a couple of levels above clueless on a computer. Cramming is a fact of life.


  159. 161 flbravesgirl June 19, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    Well, I haven’t seen that show of course. But the high school football hero & head cheerleader aren’t expected to have brains. ( One look at her, you just know she was a cheerleader.)


  160. 162 flbravesgirl June 19, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    I’m about half a step above clueless on the computer myself.


  161. 163 Salty June 19, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    Cramming is a fact of life. Too funny! 😆
    Just get me through today; I’ll worry ’bout tomorrow when it gets here! The good ol’ college days!


  162. 164 Hillbilly June 19, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    She’s a decent looking gal, I’ll give him that. So was Jenny. See, I’m telling you…”Run, Frenchy Run!”


  163. 165 williamwallace June 19, 2008 at 12:57 pm

    Frenchy fell in love in with Catie when all the mean boys on the bus kept saying seat’s taken but she gave him the seat next to her.


  164. 166 flbravesgirl June 19, 2008 at 1:01 pm

    Now that we have dissected Jeff’s whole life… 🙂 Time to get some stuff done before the game starts. See y’all later.


  165. 167 Hillbilly June 19, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    “Cramming is a fact of life.” Too funny!
    Just get me through today; I’ll worry ’bout tomorrow when it gets here! The good ol’ college days!

    That’s right. Now cut me a slice of that frozen pizza, and hand me another Old Milwaukee Light, so I can get on with my day.


  166. 168 Gil in Mechanicsville June 19, 2008 at 5:00 pm

    My oh my… Braves tie it in the ninth… At least Morton is off the hook.


  167. 169 morpheus45 June 19, 2008 at 6:53 pm

    Well, I’m so very glad we sent Stockman down (who had completely dominated AAA while there, and in the very rare occsions he was used up here in the last few weeks dominated also) in favor of Ridgeway, who was shelled in AAA and shelled here. Why am I glad, you ask? Because it’s the kind of thing, when added on to all the other similar things, that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Cox is about six months away from getting in his car to go get a gallon of milk and being found hours later out of gas from circling 285 and mumbling something about how great a hitter that Killebrew kid’s gonna be when he makes it to the majors as they cart him off to a nursing home.

    Somebody, sooner or later, has just simply got to understand the situation and do something about it. This is unprecedented in sports history as far as I know; no other figure has been allowed to hang around this long to the detrement of an entire major city, without a single media outlet anywhere in the country even insinuating what’s perfectly obvious to anyone who bothers to watch. Quite the opposite, in fact; the blame flies in every other direction than where it clearly belongs, and people will come to blows with you if you suggest otherwise.

    This team has proven it can overcome injuries, and I’m very proud of them. If it proves it can overcome Bobby then it’ll go down as one of the greatest teams ever.


  168. 170 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 19, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    Grinch….and if we send Ridgeway down….we can’t even call Stockman up for a week plus, right???(Gil or Chris was refreshing me on this subject on the previous blog) so….since we don’t need 4 lefties, or 21 pitchers(Or whatever the number is 😛 ) will we recall Josh Anderson, so we can have a truly spare player?? A guy to run for a slow runner late in the game??? Nah…silly me.

    Is there another team in baseball with a backup catcher hitting anywhere near .103???? Can’t we trade for someone, anyone, anywhere????? A guy hitting .200 would be….you know…be twice as good!


  169. 171 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 19, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    Funny, I thought Frenchy’s wife was just fine…just very young…..
    Give Frenchy 2 days off, and his IQ will raise 20 points…..but, can we risk losing the 1 for 4 days??? Those 2 singles??? Nope…he might just run into a pitch and get a homer! 🙄


  170. 172 morpheus45 June 19, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    Yeah, I’m thinkin’ Clint Sammons is starting to look like a pretty good option over Miller. I watched him in spring training and he was clearly the most talented behind McCann and the drop-off after those two was significant. I don’t see why we need to keep him down there if we’re not grooming him to replace McCann; it’s not like he’s gonna catch more than once a week here regardless. Plus, he’d provide some pop off the bench.

    Why is it we seem to know so much more about the team than the front office does? Kind of makes you wonder what’s really going on.


  171. 173 morpheus45 June 19, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    Here’s another one for you: Kelly Johnson’s hitting around .240 combined in the number 1 and 2 slot, and almost .500 combined in the number 7 and 8. So where does he bat? Highly remenicent of when Giles was here; he was going 2-4 with a homer and three RBI every single time they hit him second, and was an automatic out every time they hit him everywhere else. He even complained publicly that he just wasn’t comfortable enough anywhere else to be effective. So where did they bat him? Leadoff. Brilliant!

    Do they even watch their own team?


  172. 174 Carolina Lady June 19, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    Can’t see the forest for the trees.


  173. 175 flbravesgirl June 19, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    Good evening y’all. Disappointing end to the game but you could see it coming.


  174. 176 flbravesgirl June 19, 2008 at 11:07 pm

    I have the feeling that I’m on my own here tonight. Hellooo? Anybody home?


  175. 177 flbravesgirl June 19, 2008 at 11:38 pm

    Did y’all see how Francoeur looked when he dropped the ball today? Utterly defeated. Not mad or anything, just beaten down. I’m getting very concerned about him. He needs a break & he needs it now. I know I’m preaching to the choir here but that just emphasized how mentally & physically exhausted he is right now.


  176. 178 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 19, 2008 at 11:55 pm

    FLB, can you give me one good reason not to rest him for a few days??? The streak is over….Perhaps Bobby after that last play will wise up tomorrow….he often does after everyone and their brother is a few pages ahead in the book…


  177. 179 flbravesgirl June 19, 2008 at 11:57 pm

    Not a one, Berigan. He needs more than 1 day off IMO. At least a game off before an off-day, if not more.


  178. 180 flbravesgirl June 19, 2008 at 11:59 pm

    Aside from looking wiped-out, I think his ankle is still barking because he’s just not moving like he used to.


  179. 181 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 20, 2008 at 12:14 am

    Well, we know Bobby doesn’t listen to me(or anyone else it seems-a coach should say to him that Jeff needs a day off) but like I said before, send Ridgeway down, and bring Anderson back up(It’s been long enough, right?) Surely he can play right, or Infante at least??? We still don’t have a day off til Next Thursday…..


  180. 182 flbravesgirl June 20, 2008 at 12:33 am

    Makes sense to me. They need to do something .


  181. 183 flbravesgirl June 20, 2008 at 12:59 am

    Good night!


  182. 184 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 20, 2008 at 2:10 am

    I saw this on the other blog….remember KC??? Mister Optimism??? Mike Hampton will win 15 games??? Check out this post from yesterday!!! Right on target, IMHO….

    By KC

    June 19, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this


    First of all, NOTHING Ridgway has done at AAA this year warranted his being her in the first place (and it was Bobby’s decision to have him here).

    Second, why was he brought into a 2-1 game with 2 runners on against a switch hitter who actually hits higher from the right side of the plate?

    I love Bobby Cox. I do. But I’m so disgusted right now, I can’t see straight.

    And while Ridgway is up here coughing up this series, Phil Stockman, who has nothing but dominate at every level (including his limited big league opportunities), sits at Richmond.

    Here are Phil Stockman’s numbers:

    2008 with Atlanta: 6 games/7.1 innings, 9 strikeouts, 2 hits, 0 walks, 0 runs allowed… 0.00 ERA.

    2008 at AAA Richmond: 23.1 innings, 19 strikeouts, 8 hits, 10 walks, 2 earned runs… 0.77 ERA.

    2006/2007 minor league totals: 41.1 innings, 50 strikeouts, 21 hits, 18 walks, 4 earned runs… 0.87 ERA.

    Here are Ridgway’s numbers:

    2008 at AAA Richmond: 33 innings, 33 strikeouts, 43 hits, 13 walks, 17 earned runs… 4.64 ERA (with a .316 opposing avg.)

    This has been a disgraceful display of bad judgment for a manager of Bobby’s caliber.


  183. 185 Savannah Guy June 20, 2008 at 8:53 am

    Lots of good stuff in the Stuffville Post… except for another one-run loss. That is a dubious record we don’t want, but we got it and we earned it. Sigh

    Well, after catching up on the overnights and the yesterday’s, Francoeur has not just dropped a grounder as the winning run trotted home but he just dropped another few pegs. First, he went down ten pegs for even liking Bon Jovi music and second, he plummets another twenty pegs for liking it enough to use it as his game music. That pop music insight may be as good an index to his maturity, his taste and his, uh… development as anything having to do with baseball stats.

    Look, I’m not being a music snob or anything and everyone has different tastes and such… but Bon Jovi is the male equivalent of Britney Spears. Well, maybe not quite that bad but not far off. I’m making myself ill just thinking about these pop tarts. Who brought this up? I hope whoever brought that up gets Muskrat Love or the Pepsi yawn commercial in their head this morning and can’t get it out until after lunch. Oh, that was cruel… never mind.

    Where was I? Oh… Right now it wouldn’t be a huge stretch to see Jeff wind up one day, earlier than ever imagined, as the once phenom kid who washed out after a short and unremarkable career in the MLB.

    There’s Jeff, the heartthrob high school BMOC who got a golden opportunity to play in the big time, was too highly touted way by too many, too early in his too awkwardly and too selfishly sensationalized early career (beginning before his first game). Just too much adoration for Jeff, resulting in too much pressure for Jeff, exacerbated by too much playing time, too many unreasonable expectations, too little training and too much thinking along the lines of, say, a too greedy Scott Boras. Just too many too much’s for Jeff’s head to handle.

    All that, and starting from day one, he’s been held up by the Braves PR machine and the Atlanta media as a bright, shiny, pretty boy, shooting star for all the wrong reasons. The innocent player was unwisely promoted without performance reviews and thereby expected by seemingly unconscious managers and ignorant, well-meaning fans to be the next living embodiment of Chipper Jones, Dale Murphy and Cal Ripken. Chipper got that kind of attention too, but he’s a different player than Jeff, which is quite an understatement.

    Perhaps one day sooner than we all thnk, the one called ‘Frenchy’, who showed such promise but was allowed carte blanche in a meaningless ‘Iron Man’ crusade, left in a common sense vacuum to believe his ‘press’ and adoring fans and allowed to play injured while miserably slumping and limping by his aging, less than astute or increasingly deficient manager.

    There’s Jeff, who, apparently lacking in self-awareness, just couldn’t get it done in the Bigs, couldn’t figure it out, couldn’t see the truth through the adoration, and couldn’t seem to breakout, winds up hobbled from an injured ankle and a vicious cycle of confidence crushing slumps. Without the capability of thinking it through or the benefit of good coaching to turn him around he’s allowed to crash and burn, leave baseball at 29 years old and resort to selling insurance for his stepfather in the Atlanta area to all his beloved middle aged female fans. Not that there’s anything wrong with selling insurance.

    Please, someone… grab Jeff by the collar and show him the error of his ways and the increasingly foolish and potentially dangerous ways of his manager. There is still hope. You could take matters into your own hands and turn your career around. You could rest yourself, stay away from the adoring press, dig deep inside yourself to find that youthful confidence, change your mindset so that you develop mature, well-rounded confidence. You may never be Dale Murphy or Chipper Jones, but you could have a decent to good career. But first, you have to jump off that merry go round and stop believing the shallow high school hype.

    Jeff… do yourself a favor. Sit down. Bobby won’t do it. Sadly, he may not even know to do it, but sit… it’s for the good of the team and for your own good. Do that and show then some progress at your approach at the plate and more hustle in the field and I’ll pull for you again. If not, I’ll hope you play baseball in another city or, after you wash out at 28, become a truly happy, successful insurance salesman or something. You’ll always have some glory days to remember… right?


  184. 186 Savannah Guy June 20, 2008 at 9:03 am

    Whew… just had to get that out. More room out there than there is, uh… in here.

    Good morning! Thank God it’s Friday!!! More than that, I thank God the tornado that went directly over my office downtown allowed me and the building to somehow be spared. One of the big trees just a few feet from the building wasn’t so fortunate. I’ve never heard anything so loud or seen anything more powerful so close. Like a freight train right above our heads and right out the glass facade and front doors. It was like we were inside the circulation of debris because we could see it. It’s was pretty incredible really.

    Yes… thank God it’s friday! Since Raisins was speaking in tongues yesterday, I’ll also say to him… God mornong. 😆


  185. 187 lew614 June 20, 2008 at 9:22 am

    Just benched Francoeur on my Fantasy team. Nothing else I could think to do.


  186. 188 Savannah Guy June 20, 2008 at 9:23 am

    Sorry to just blab and run, but that I’ve done and that I’ll do. There’s a guy with a chainsaw and a tree removal to attend to. Have a good day. Watch out for big storms and hail.


  187. 189 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 20, 2008 at 9:48 am

    Wow SG!!! Thank God the tornado skipped by you(and everyone else I hope!!!)


  188. 190 morpheus45 June 20, 2008 at 9:54 am

    Morning, Lew! Speaking of fantasy teams, thank you for being the only one out of 12 who even comes close to giving me a run at 1st place (though you lost some more ground this morning). You beat me to Volquez by about 5 minutes, which has saved your bacon. That dude is a strikeout machine if I ever saw one. I’m just lucky that I’ve lost Kelvim Escobar (2nd in AL Cy Young last year) before the season ever started), had Josh Beckett on the DL most of the season and CC Sabathia having the worst year of his career and I’ve still been in 1st almost the whole year. I took Soriano’s measure just a few days into his DL stint and dropped him early for Arizona’s closer, which in retrospect was a heckuva move. Anyhoo, enough of that.

    SG, couldn’t agree more. ANYONE else would’ve dropped Jeff to 7th for a while and started benching him once or twice a week, which truthfully is all he needs in my opinion at the moment. But if he keeps playing every day batting 5th it may get so bad irreversible damage may occur. I honestly think Andruw could’ve been saved with the same treatment had it started back in ’06. Bless his heart, Bobby doesn’t just cost games with bad decisions, he ruins careers. Ask Moylan if he’d like to have 80 multiple inning appearances next year. Check Acosta for elbow problems in ST. Boyer’s already had TJ surgery; maybe he can withstand it.


  189. 191 morpheus45 June 20, 2008 at 9:58 am

    Oh yeah, I’ve also got Dice-K on the DL for forever.

    SG, you’re a lucky man. God must be a republican. 🙂


  190. 192 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 20, 2008 at 10:06 am

    Well, I just hope that as the chorus was getting louder every day to sit Jeff(Bobby picked about the dumbest day to do it-have I ever mentioned that before? 😕 ) and Bobby picked up on that….surely he will realize that he has to do something, anything to help Jeff get back on track! He’s hitting worse against lefties than righties??? Great! Have him rest against them for a week or two…what can it hurt??? Bat him 7th….still better than 8th!
    He’s still better than Andruw was at this point last year…he does get a single at least now and then…I just wonder when we will find out he’s been playing with bone spurs, or a partially torn tendon in his ankle….at the end of the season???
    It was so clear watching Josh Hamilton in right, he can cut left or right, he can move out there! You get the feeling that right now, Norton at 35 is a more mobile outfielder!


  191. 193 lew614 June 20, 2008 at 10:07 am

    SG-As long as the guy with the chainsaw is not wearing a leather apron or someone else’s face, you’re probably OK. However, if he starts sawing on an Ent, all bets are off.

    Grinch-Yeah, Volquez is unreal this year-certainly the two times the Braves have faced him and apparently the rest of the league as well. Hamilton is tearing it up in Texas, too, so I guess that’s what is known as an equitable trade.

    Keeping Francoeur on the starting lineup was probably as stupid as leaving Andruw on my team last year. I kept Frenchy, though-on the bench-that way maybe he’ll break out of his doldrums and start being the Frenchy we were getting used to. One can only hope-on several levels. I’m not ready to throw him under the bus quite yet, though. I’m certain his difficulties are caused by either faulty mechanics (your butt should not be the first body part in motion swinging at a pitch) or possibly visual, as a result of his beaning this spring.

    You’re right, though-those Orlando folk sure can’t keep up with the Georgia Contingency-at least in terms of Fantasy baseball. They may not want us playing next year.

    The real problem is that the Braves have no one better to replace Frenchy with. Not too sure dropping him in the order would have much effect-maybe a session with Chipper’s or McCann’s Dad would be profitable. Losing Kotsay hit us much harder than a lot of people ever thought possible. I was almost in favor of signing him for another year or two. Unfortunately, I guess back problems will usually be chronic once they appear to the extent Mark has them.


  192. 194 williamwallace June 20, 2008 at 10:11 am

    The problem with benching, trading, demoting or dropping Frenchy in the lineup is that they do not have anyone better. This isn’t just about Cox. The man has his faults but this organization is royally screwed at this moment.

    They don’t seem to have anyone in AA or AAA capable of coming up and making a contribution. Brandon Jones is doing fine now but he has only temporarily plugged a huge hole out in left. If the Braves did find someone good enough to replace Francoeur that person would be needed to play left. Left field has been an abomination this year. Diaz has been a monumental disappointment.

    I’m all for benching or demoting Francoeur but not if I have to watch Anderson, Norton, Infante play instead. This is an organizational failure.

    Tex also needs to wake the hell up. I have never hated a ballplayer as bad as I hate Tex. Before they even got him, I thought he was overrated. His numbers while overwhelming in appearance always seemed hollow. His underwhelming numbers this year are just plain empty. Plus, the guy is just an ass. Can’t stand him. For someone who wants to make alot of money, he sure doesn’t know how to market himself with his mouth.


  193. 195 williamwallace June 20, 2008 at 10:14 am

    Lew, agree with you. Kotsay was indeed a huge loss


  194. 196 morpheus45 June 20, 2008 at 10:18 am

    Having Norton playing RF instead of Anderson is yet another one of those moves, especially since he’s got a trick knee. Good Lord.

    Lew, I took a chance on Hamilton at the beginning and I’m glad I did. He carried my offense the whole time A-Rod was on the DL. That is odd, isn’t it, for a trade to benefit both teams so well? And what’s up with John, he’s still got Moylan in one of his RP slots; I take it he’s abandoned the game?


  195. 197 morpheus45 June 20, 2008 at 10:27 am

    WW, couldn’t agree more with you about Tex. Can’t stand the guy, inside or out. Even when he was hitting well last year we didn’t finish any higher than we would have without him, and he ain’t hitting well this year. Factor in the turning down an 8 year 140 mil contract in Texas, then coming here without buying a house all because he’s so far up Boras’ colon he can tell what he had for breakfast and you’ve got a universally unlikeable dude. He reminds me a bit of JD Drew. And yet there are some on here (cough, Berigan, cough, cough) who think we ought to offer him 20 mil per. Not this white man. 6 and a half more than what Chipper makes to an unlikeable guy who couldn’t carry his jock? If anyone but Boras was his agent I’d offer him 12 and if he didn’t like it he could take a walk. But knowing that he wouldn’t take it anyway and knowing his percieved value on the market, I think we’d be foolish not to trade him at the deadline for 60 cents on the dollar of what we gave for him.


  196. 198 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 20, 2008 at 10:38 am

    Damn DSL!!!! 😡 Keeps cutting out on me! Connected for a few minutes, then I only have 3 of 4 lights on the DSL modem. The ADSL light keeps going out. Shut off box, and half the time, still 3 lights…unplug, then all 4 come on…for awhile…hate, HATE to call earthlink, since it will be in India. They will apologize like they peed on my shoes, but will offer no real help. “Can you unplug your phone line into the box?? Can you plug phone line in from another room??? Can you go outside and find something you have never seen before, and mess around with it like you are some highly paid tech, so we don’t have to send someone to your house???”

    It’s 8 years old, send me another one!!!!!


  197. 199 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 20, 2008 at 10:44 am

    Hey now Grinch….20 Mil is a bargain!!!!! 😆 He’s got 50 RBI’s but, he so rarely get the big hit that puts a team ahead. Like the charge against A-Rod a few years back, he seems to boost his numbers in games you are way ahead in or why behind….
    Chipper has been on base in front of him at least 143 times(don’t know how many fielder’s choices or errors allowed him to reach 1st) Imagine how many RBI’s Josh Hamilton would have with Chipper batting in front of him???
    That said, who plays first in the future??? Matt Diaz??? Greg Norton??? LaRoche is hitting under .220, I am sure we could get him cheap. 🙄


  198. 200 lew614 June 20, 2008 at 11:06 am

    Grinch-John is still battling the depression and diabetes-he’s gained a bit of weight trying to get the medical cocktail fine tuned. He and Shannon have been spending so much time working and doing Dog Training functions, that I guess the Fantasy team is the least of his worries right now. He never was into baseball to the extent we are though.


  199. 201 lew614 June 20, 2008 at 11:08 am

    Grinch-another thing-Shannon’s sister and another friend of their’s are back from Iraq and staying at the house. Much going on down there. You’re likely right that the fantasy team is on the back burner.


  200. 202 flbravesgirl June 20, 2008 at 11:34 am

    Good morning y’all. SG, 😯 !!! Thank goodness you’re OK!! Sorry about your tree.

    Much as I would like Bobby to wake up & smell the reality, I don’t expect him to sit Francoeur anytime soon. Pretty soon he can use the AllStar break as an excuse – “he’ll get 3 days off then”. Maybe we should kidnap Jeff.


  201. 203 williamwallace June 20, 2008 at 11:54 am

    Grinch, I’m still torn about paying Tex that money. Part of me looks at the current state of the team and says we can’t give up a player in his prime years who brings that much offense. The other part of me thinks he is highly overrated and has inflated numbers that make him seem more valuable than he really is. He definitely does seem like an AROD or JD DRew who puts up inflated meaningless numbers.

    Plus, he brings nothing to the table in terms of marketing or personality which is so important if you are gonna pay someone that much money to be the face of the franchise. I really don’t like the guy but I also really hate that the Braves keep letting players in their prime years just walk away. Teams win with their best players being in their prime years. The Braves keep giving that up. I dunno. I just don’t like Tex. Didn’t like him well before we traded for him. Don’t even want him on this team. But this team also can’t keep giving up players in their prime years who account for so many runs and replace them with youngster, old men and rejects from the waste bin.


  202. 204 morpheus45 June 20, 2008 at 12:22 pm

    Sorry; got sidetracked by a visitor.

    I hope he’s doing ok, Lew; sounds like it’s a pretty hectic situation.

    Y’all, the way I look at it is this: Next year we’ve got Hampton, Glavine, Smoltz and Tex’s salaries coming off the books. That’s what, around 40-45 million? We’ll have Hudson, Morton, Jurrjens, Reyes, Campillo and James to make a rotation out of. It would seem to me that 40 mil would buy us another solid middle of the rotation starter (which would allow us to move Campillo to setup and James to AAA where he belongs) , another solid setup man (if Soriano can come back and pitch the 8th), a leadoff hitter and a 1st baseman with decent power. That can all be accomplished if we’re shrewd, especially if trading Tex lands us one or two of those things. Taking away half that money for Tex is just silly. We could get a 1 bagger who puts up 3/4 the numbers but has just as much impact for half what he’s asking for.

    WW, agreed, but I think this is a special case.

    KC and I are going to the game tonight; I get to see the unveiling of the Cow!


  203. 205 morpheus45 June 20, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    Sorry, I meant if Soriano can come back we wouldn’t need another setup man besides Campillo, allowing more money for pitching and power.


  204. 206 morpheus45 June 20, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    Even if we keep Tex and don’t re-sign him those two draft picks will come in handy. Remember, we’ve still got a pretty good farm system. I’d like to see Borchard up here next year to back up 1st and provide some power off the bench. That guy positively RAKED in ST and hustled like nobody’s business.


  205. 207 lew614 June 20, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    Grinch-More like about $38.5 mil-but point well taken. I think given the current rate of development of JJ, JoJo and Morton along with Hudson returning (and who knows-Chuck may heal and develop that third pitch and be a dependable #5), that we could likely spend $$$$$ just on bullpen and backup (both pitching and bench) and get a first baseman along the lines of Nick Johnson and still have cash to burn.

    I’m not so certain another stud starter is such a huge need now. Hanson may be ready by mid season next year, as well. I would lock up Bennett, Campillo and even Buddy Carlyle, who has turned into a pretty dependable long guy and spot starter-just for depth.


  206. 208 flbravesgirl June 20, 2008 at 12:46 pm

    At this point I have no interest in Tex staying. His numbers might look good if you don’t see him play everyday but he doesn’t impress me. He’s not clutch. Besides I want the Braves to avoid Boras as much as possible. Tex isn’t even really a Brave. He’s never said or done anything that shows he considers himself part of the team. All he ever says is “This is a business” or “Baseball is just my job” . Fine, don’t let the door hit you in the butt.


  207. 209 morpheus45 June 20, 2008 at 1:11 pm

    FBG, agreed. He still keeps his home in Dallas (where his wife stays) and the fans there hate him for being greedy, I’m sure y’all heard the boos. He has no allegiance to anyone but Boras.

    Lew, I don’t think we need a front-line starter either, just a dependable, veteran 2 or 3. It’d be a mighty young rotation without one (other than Hudson). Also, I don’t think a bullpen with a rested Boyer and Acosta, Ohman, Benett, Soriano for the 8th and Gonzo closing sounds all that bad, especially if Moylan comes back strong. Maybe add one more solid peice, but that shouldn’t be too expensive. And a Nick Johnson/Joe Borchard combo for a year or two ’till Heyward is ready sounds good to me at 1st. There’ll be plenty of money. There’s also been a lot of talk about us getting Randy Winn; he’d be a good stop-gap ’till Anderson and Schaeffer season a bit.


  208. 210 Hillbilly June 20, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    Our local town festival is going on this weekend, and there’s supposed to be a special surprise guest performing tomorrow night. Rumor leaking around town is that it will be none other than the Red-Headed Stranger, himself, Shotgun Willie Nelson. If it’s true, Lord help me come Sunday Morning…..Whiskey River, don’t run dry. Ahhhh, You’re all I’ve got to take care of me…


  209. 211 Carolina Lady June 20, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    Hillbilly, if it is Willie, color me green with envy!! Enjoy and please give a FULL report!! 😀


  210. 212 lew614 June 20, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    Grinch-I wouldn’t put a bet on if and when Soriano will return. I’m starting to think this is taking on a familiar look to Hampton’s first injury, Moylan’s problem and maybe Chuck, too.

    First we’re told the MRI shows nothing and we’re told rest is what is needed. Then when rest doesn’t do it (starting to sound familiar?), they’re sent for a HIGH RESOLUTION MRI (why in hell they don’t do this one first amazes me) which shows surgery is necessary.

    In the meantime, they’re sitting there accomplishing absolutely nothing, when they could have had the damned surgery and been rehabbing, well on the road to recovery.

    They did this originally with Hampton and wasted four months. They had Moylan sit there for over a month and then sent him to the surgeon. I’m still not completely assured Chuck didn’t need to have that “slight tear” surgically repaired and now they’ve wasted the better part of a year, if such is the case.

    Add to this that Soriano is starting to look like he needs a shrine to Jobu, or permission from his medium, his astrologer, or his Psychic Hotline Counselor to tell him that Jupiter is in the House of The Moose with Aries ascending on Sagitarius before he thinks he can pitch and you’re seeing wehat could be another FUBAR production in the making. In addition, Moylan may not be ready for more than a year, either. I’m not as sanguine as you about the bullpens’ longer term prospects.


  211. 213 Savannah Guy June 20, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    RIP Tree. Actually it should be RI-pieces. Lew, the dude with the chainsaw didn’t look like the massacre type unless you have long limbs, leaves all over your body and are broken at the trunk. All is now settled at the Guy office. The roof was even good.

    Lots of good baseball talk today. Interesting fantasy stuff too. I can’t keep up with all the numbers and circumstances of all those players like you guys but I enjoy reading about it. Man, there’s some serious Tex hatin’ goin’ on today. Well, maybe not hatin’ but strong dislikin’. I can’t honestly say that I like Tex much… what’s to like? I’ve gotten no reason from him to like him and he certainly hasn’t compensated for his bland personality with perfomance. It’s all just bland and hollow like someone said.

    I also strongly agree that he needs to go… the sooner the better, as long as we can leverage that with some helpful pickups. Someone mentioned that his original home was in Boston and that he would possibly want to go there. I can see that, but I can’t see Boston wanting him. Why would they? They like batters that can work the count, not count the money while the bat sits on their shoulder. Anyway, I think several things and several people have been key to where the Braves are currently and Tex is a big part of that equation.

    Seems his lack of fire and lack of hitting and zero clutch has surprised more than just the fans… he’s somehow made it acceptable to be mediocre on the premise of ‘heating up’ later. It is now later… much later.

    Have a good’un at the game tonight Grinch. Tell KC howdy. Y’all have a beer for me. Make that two… one for the cow. Oh, and watch out for pies.

    Now it’s off to get tacos with Mrs. Guy and my big lil’ Guy that just showed up.


  212. 214 chrisklob June 20, 2008 at 6:41 pm

    SG, sorry about your tree but I’m glad to hear that the office and its occupants were not hurt.

    Tex is actually from Baltimore. While Boston probably doesn’t need him, Baltimore could surely use him. They’ve got plenty of money to spend too. Of course, if he goes there, it will just confirm what we all believe in our hearts — it’s only about the paycheck for him. He’s a mercenary, plain and simple.


  213. 215 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 20, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    lew614 Says:
    June 20, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    Grinch-I wouldn’t put a bet on if and when Soriano will return. I’m starting to think this is taking on a familiar look to Hampton’s first injury, Moylan’s problem and maybe Chuck, too.

    First we’re told the MRI shows nothing and we’re told rest is what is needed. Then when rest doesn’t do it (starting to sound familiar?), they’re sent for a HIGH RESOLUTION MRI (why in hell they don’t do this one first amazes me) which shows surgery is necessary.

    Lew, that’s a good point about the High res MRI…isn’t that what they are doing with Carlos Zambrano, at the first sign of shoulder trouble????


  214. 216 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 20, 2008 at 6:55 pm

    In a weak defense of Tex, baltimore is 3 games above .500, Braves are 2 under .500…If the Orioles finish with a better record than the Braves, then it’s hard to give a guy too much grief for going back home for more money and a team with a better record than the one he was leaving…
    Scott babe, I am ready to start the PR game for our bud Tex! 🙄


  215. 217 chrisklob June 20, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    Berigan, come on. You know as well as I what a disaster the Baltimore organization has been for YEARS. There farm system is a disaster and has been for years. They haven’t sniffed the playoffs since 1997, also the last year they had a winning record. The future of that organization is NOT any where near as bright as Atlanta’s. The Orioles may be two games over .500 TODAY but don’t forget the division they are playing in. Boston is very tough, Tampa Bay has finally figured things out and do NOT count the Yankees out. They are going to make some moves to be competitive.

    Tex going to Baltimore signifies one thing and one thing only.


  216. 220 Carolina Lady June 20, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    SKIP broadcasting tonight!!!


  217. 221 Savannah Guy June 20, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    Was I dreaming I read about Boston for Tex? Not sure now… whatever. Tex can’t run either. He should’ve gone home on that McCann hit.

    In 97 the Orioles were an awesome team. I saw them and Cal play the Braves during a West Palm Grapefruit League game… you could see something very special in those guys even in ST that year. They stomped so many good teams… including the Braves in inter-league that year. They should have gone to the WS that year and they would’ve won it… had it not been for a 12 year old kid in right field reaching out and snatching an up against the wall fly from Tony Tarasco, who was camped underneath it. Jeter and the Yanks were pleased that it was erroneously (suspiciously?) ruled a home run. It turned the game and the series around. That one smelled funny to me. Orioles were the best team in the majors that year. Then… the dumper.

    Similar thing happened to the Cubs when a grown kid reached up, out of the field of play and caught the just right over the outstretched glove of Moises Alou. That play didn’t smell, just an idiot fan… but it sure reissued the curse of the Bambino.

    I’d vote for instant replays if I had a vote.

    And Fran comes through again. Maybe move him to cleanup.


  218. 222 Carolina Lady June 20, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    Bases loaded, 1 out, Francoeur taps into DP. sigh….


  219. 223 Savannah Guy June 20, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    CL, ironic that two warriors like Smoltz and Schilling go down the same way at the same time like this. Hope they’ll both be back… but it’s doubtful. Two of my favorite pitchers in this era.


  220. 224 Carolina Lady June 20, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    It sure is. Similar comments from both: having surgery to stop the pain; if he can pitch afterward OK, if not – that’s the way it is.


  221. 225 Carolina Lady June 20, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    Wow. There’s a team that runs bases worse than the Braves! 😆


  222. 226 Carolina Lady June 20, 2008 at 8:59 pm

    Friday night. We could fire a cannon right down the middle of Main Street and not hurt a thing! 😆


  223. 227 Carolina Lady June 20, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    Do all Aussie pitchers wear the same kind of glasses? 😕


  224. 228 Carolina Lady June 20, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    Aaaaaand the Braves fail to score again. 😦


  225. 229 Salty June 20, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    Bases loaded….Frenchy….’Ground Hog Day’



  226. 230 Carolina Lady June 20, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    Ever notice the great echo you can get in here??



  227. 231 Carolina Lady June 20, 2008 at 9:22 pm





  228. 232 Carolina Lady June 20, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    Hey, Salty!! Glad to see you!!

    And ain’t it the truth with JF?? 😦


  229. 233 Carolina Lady June 20, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    Can you believe this??? 😯

    “Becoming energy self-sufficient is now a topic being discussed by a growing number of members of Congress and the media. But two members of Congress want government to seize control of the oil companies, a stupid idea!

    Maurice Hinchey (D-NY) has called for the federal government to seize control of oil companies. In a Washington Examiner editorial piece, Rep. Hinchey said, “We [the government] should own the refineries. Then we can control how much gets out into the market.”
    Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) took the same approach, saying to oil industry executives: “Guess what this liberal (referring to herself) will be about? This liberal will be all about socializing – um, uh … will be about … basically … taking over, and the government running all of your companies.”


  230. 234 Savannah Guy June 20, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    Bobby Cox has another interesting lineup tonight. He continues to baffle, defy logic and escape all reason. Fran misses a routine play in the last inning. He can’t even seem to run beyond a lumbering jog any more. I’m now officially tired of talking about Bobby and Jeffy.

    Here’s an idea: Anderson leadoff. Oh, that’s right… he’s not here. Too fast. Then Yunel, Chipper, McCann, Tess, Kelly, Infante, Blanco or Branco… etc.


  231. 235 Savannah Guy June 20, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    Maybe Chavez, Castro and Putin can host instructive webinars for the Dems. Nationalizing the evil businesses 101.


  232. 236 Carolina Lady June 20, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    7th inning. The wheels are beginning to come off…..


  233. 237 Carolina Lady June 20, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    When they start OPENLY talking about “seizing” the oil companies, they are getting WAY out of line. Privately owned corporations? Stock markets? Oil processing?? Seize them, but don’t drill into our massive oil fields no matter what, huh?

    Since when did this nation become a dictatorship for the Democrats???


  234. 238 Carolina Lady June 20, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    Ol’ Maxine kinda let the cat out of the bag with her “socializing” comment. No longer a republic but working toward a socialist communistic government? Constitution? Bill of Rights??


  235. 239 Savannah Guy June 20, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    Anybody wonder why oil is so expensive? It ain’t the Arabs. It ain’t the evil oil barons. It’s the speculators and the value of the shrinking dollar. They are connected. Water has gone up too, as has everything else. Just not the buck.


  236. 240 Carolina Lady June 20, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    Chipper hurt something again?


  237. 241 Carolina Lady June 20, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    Right quad again… 😦


  238. 242 Savannah Guy June 20, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    Actually Maxine’s cat could’ve come up with the word Nationalize… but the windbag Maxine couldn’t, so she stumbled around and unwittingly and dimwittedly gave up the desired political system of the radical left that would do the deed. She’s a useful idiot. She has no idea what she’s doing other than repeating talking points of the socialist creed.


  239. 243 Carolina Lady June 20, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    There goes the ballgame. Keystone Kops.


  240. 244 Carolina Lady June 20, 2008 at 9:58 pm

    8-1 and Bobby wants to change pitchers???


  241. 245 Savannah Guy June 20, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    As Bobby walks to the mound he wonders, “close game…game of inches…kid’s are just missing a few hits…pitcher’s are throwing good…bacon and eggs are good…car runs fine…tires need rotating…maybe bring Chucky back…who can I put on the mound that’s already pitched too much lately…they should be warmed up…who are we playing? Are we home? What’s that big thing in the outfield that looks like a cow or something? Hand me the ball kid…game of inches”

    It is now safe to walk the dog. Unless you’re Maxine… then walk the cat.

    Wonder if the cow is chopping tonight to rev the fans up? Was more chicken sold as a result of bovine guilt?

    Wanna see something REALLY scary?


  242. 246 Savannah Guy June 20, 2008 at 10:07 pm

    Yunel was very lucky. Bad slide. More like a fall.


  243. 247 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 20, 2008 at 10:10 pm

    So, we are having arse’s handed to us be THE WORST TEAM IN BASEBALL????? I can’t wait to hear what Grinch says about being at the game….I missed most of the game, but when I saw 4-1, I knew we weren’t going to come back….then Ohman comes in, walks a few guys(It did look like a few pitches were strikes) and is left in by mr. by the book, to face a right handed hitter?? A guy who already had to hits??? I knew even in an 0-2 count he would get a hit….it HAD to happen.

    Chris….really??? You really think we are miles ahead of Baltimore??? Hard to be unbiased in the middle of a 9-2 game….we do have talent in the minors…but….we seem to have talent here at the ML level. We lose a ton of pitchers, and except for closing, we really don’t have a problem there….
    We just can’t hit…or at least hit when it counts. Is anyone in the minors better than who we have in right, or 1st right now??? I think WW touched on this earlier today…. Something is clearly wrong, way wrong with this team….what is it????


  244. 248 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 20, 2008 at 10:14 pm

    Already had two hits…


  245. 249 Carolina Lady June 20, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    The only reason I’ll continue to listen to this game is to listen to every moment of Skip that remains.


  246. 251 Savannah Guy June 20, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    Right about now, KC is trying to get Grinch to climb back down off of the cows head, where he stands, arms raised in defiance, screaming obscenities at Liberty, Braves management, Bobby Cox, Tess, Republicans and all women in general. Don’t worry, it’s just the full moon… or the team… or the beer. Probably all three.


  247. 252 Carolina Lady June 20, 2008 at 10:19 pm

    Berigan, superior emails tonight!


  248. 253 Savannah Guy June 20, 2008 at 10:19 pm

    Can’t skip the Skip. 😀


  249. 254 Savannah Guy June 20, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    That’s why it’s so quiet in here… it’s an email thing.

    Seattle have double digits. Hopefully we’ll be beaten unmercifully and lose by at least 15 runs. Any other outcome and Bobby will call it a close game. There I go again. That’s it… last Cox rant.


  250. 255 Carolina Lady June 20, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    SG, re: Grinch – 😆 May be more true than we know! 😆 😆


  251. 256 Carolina Lady June 20, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    No, he sends 10 at a time. Read them between innings – or, in the case of tonight’s game, go ahead and read and just listen to Skip. 😆


  252. 257 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 20, 2008 at 10:27 pm

    Now Yunel is hurt from the slide into home for a meaningless 9-2 game….
    Well, it sounded like Gotay had a very good game in the field(From what I heard on the radio)and 2 hits…that’s his second game in the field for Gotay, correct??? Or at least his 2nd start??? I have been a fan of him….and he’s 25, but…we just don’t use him….he needs to be traded or released so he can play more with some other team. We need more pop off the bench….easier said than done I know…but, Gotay is more an Infante type, a guy who should get 150-200 abs a year….or perhaps play second regularly for teams like Colorado that don’t seem to have a real 2nd baseman….


  253. 258 Savannah Guy June 20, 2008 at 10:30 pm

    Seattle ‘have’ double digits. Too bad I have single digit grammar tonight. Bobby have one more call to the bullpen. Gonzo? Bobby have close game. Bobby have favorite players in Atlanta lineup. Bobby have favorite bullpen. Bobby no like Richmond Anderson or Phil Stockman. Too, uh… no playa da clubhouse game right and treat Bobby right.

    There I go again. Last time.

    Way to go Fran. Another solid at bat.

    There I go again, again.

    There I go again.

    There I go.


    I go.


  254. 259 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 20, 2008 at 10:33 pm

    Gotay, you suck! 😛

    CL, are you saying the aren’t usually superiour??? Kidding, kidding!!! 🙂 Thank you ma’am!!!
    CL, I am sure without Skip, Pete, Ernie, and even John Sterling…I would not have watched the horrible teams year after year….sometimes they are better than ever when the Braves suck….they have been quite good this year. 😕


  255. 260 Savannah Guy June 20, 2008 at 10:34 pm

    Will KC bail Grinch out of the Fulton County pen for climbing on the cow?

    May be on the AJC news tomorrow. Must get up early to read all about it. :mrgreen:

    Braves lose, Braves lose!

    G’nite and g’luck.

    Just our gluck.



  256. 261 Carolina Lady June 20, 2008 at 10:35 pm

    Games ends, Skip gives the final line scores, then thinks the mike is off and comments to Joe, “That’s almost embarrassing.”

    Joe was using the telestator earlier to show how JF is “flying open” – and Skip commented that he looks just like Andruw last year. Joe agreed. Said he’s not thinking, not looking for specific pitches, just swinging.


  257. 262 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 20, 2008 at 10:36 pm

    SG, once again..on a roll! If you don’t see me say that every time you funny man, I am thinkin’ it! 😉


  258. 263 Carolina Lady June 20, 2008 at 10:40 pm

    A perfect evening: the Braves embarrass themselves by losing a blowout to the worst team in MLB, have several players injured in the process – and the Mets lead the Rockies 6-2 in the 5th. 😦

    Almost makes me wish I was a drinkin’ lady.


  259. 264 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 20, 2008 at 10:41 pm

    CL, I didn’t hear that, didn’t have it loud enough…interesting!
    I am getting to feel less and less after losses…which is a good thing….kind of like, oh well, we thought they were good. They suck. Lots of people thought Seattle would win the West…they really suck….really sucky beat somewhat sucky tonight…..say, is baseball tonight on??? Love watching the Rays, a team that has real talent, that really plays with heart…


  260. 265 Carolina Lady June 20, 2008 at 10:44 pm

    Trot Nixon signed with the Mets??? When did that happen? What year is this? Who am I??


  261. 266 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 20, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    CL, that happened a week or so ago…I think Pappy was saying he was the kind of guy we needed…I pointed out he was 3 for 7 in the playoffs last year…not amazing numbers by any stretch, but a guy you would like to have come off the bench, perhaps rest the .250 hitter in right, and hit .250 in those games….


  262. 267 Carolina Lady June 20, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    Greg Maddux pitching against the Tigers: through 3 innings –
    33 pitches, 20 strikes, 13 balls.

    Yet, it is 1-0 Detroit.


  263. 268 Carolina Lady June 20, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    Ah. Last week was The Week That Was for me (Mother’s prep and appts before her surgery, then all the post-op care). I have no idea what happened anywhere! 🙂


  264. 269 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 20, 2008 at 10:51 pm

    CL, don’t forget, last week you promised me a 1,000,000 dollars! :mrgreen:


  265. 270 Carolina Lady June 20, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    Check’s in the mail, Berigan! 😆


  266. 271 Carolina Lady June 20, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    I was just looking at Maddux’s pitch sequences:

    86-87 mph fast balls
    1. ball
    2. swinging strike
    3. called strike
    4. foul
    5. called strike



  267. 272 Carolina Lady June 20, 2008 at 11:01 pm

    Well, my Fun Meter has about pegged out so I’m going to tuck myself in for the evening! ‘Night!


  268. 273 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 20, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    night CL 🙂


  269. 274 flbravesgirl June 20, 2008 at 11:42 pm

    Good evening y’all. Blech, terrible game. But I did laugh at SG’s 10:18. Can totally picture that.


  270. 275 flbravesgirl June 21, 2008 at 12:01 am

    I wish I could’ve heard Skip. 😦 At least I should hear him on radio next week.


  271. 276 Gil in Mechanicsville June 21, 2008 at 12:06 am

    Well… That was ugly…. The game that is. I remarked to the wife. “Why is Bobby bringing in Bennett?” Then Joe said Bennett had pitched in 4 of the last 5 games and tonight made his third game in a row… 2 hits given up. 3 runs scored and GAME OVER…

    Even the “Braves'” announcers are questioning some of the moves Bobby is making with his bullpen… Does he really expect them to pitch in 120 games this year?

    And Frenchy needs a couple of days off…. for the team’s sake. He would likely make a base running error to go with his other blunders but he is not getting on base either.

    Okay, on a more positive note, the wife and I went fishing today… Caught about 50 and kept 8… Fish will be frying tomorrow. 🙂


  272. 277 williamwallace June 21, 2008 at 12:07 am

    Francoeur did not hustle for that ball in the corner and the guy should have had a triple. Escobar did not come up throwing on that play where Ichiro scored. Blanco dogged it out in center and someone took an extra base.

    Those are three glaring examples that Cox is not inspiring this team and is no longer scaring them either. Looks like he is losing them. If he’s losing them, then that ain’t good because let’s be honest, having a hold on his team is his biggest strength. In game strategy certainly isn’t.

    And to be honest, KJ looked like he half-a*******ssed that tag at second on that poor throw by McCann. Blanco again dogs another ball in center – that’s three today

    And where’s the leadership? Is there a veteran leader on this team? Joe Simpson tells some stupid story about Chipper having all this knowledge about hitting but doesn’t share it with his younger teammates unless asked? That’s leadership? Let’s be honest. Chipper is a Hall of Famer. Chipper has never been and never will be a leader. Still the rookie who got told to shut up and who still doesn’t find it his place to speak unless he’s throwing a former teammate and a current teammate under the bus with six words

    Lose a Chipper, gain a leader


  273. 278 Gil in Mechanicsville June 21, 2008 at 12:31 am

    Chuck James needs a good stretch to get him back to the big leagues. Pilates exercises four times a day might be part of the answer.

    It wouldn’t be a stretch to say James turned in his best pitching performance of the season in the Richmond Braves’ 3-1 victory over Charlotte yesterday before 3,140 at The Diamond.

    The left-hander threw seven shutout innings. He allowed three hits, struck out eight and retired 15 straight hitters while getting offensive help from Jason Perry (a two-run homer) and shortstop Brent Lillibridge (three hits).

    Flexibility has been an issue for James. Hamstring and quadriceps tightness caused a consistently sore knee, which caused a sore back, which caused a sore shoulder, which cascaded into problems in his delivery.

    James won 11 games in each of the past two seasons in Atlanta. He started this year on the disabled list with shoulder inflammation and then was roughed up for 21 runs in 23 innings in two stints with the big Braves.

    He eventually landed on Richmond’s disabled list in late May with a sore back. A doctor recommended he start stretching.

    “I had always been told I was tight,” he said. “But I had always been successful. It didn’t hit me until this last time they told me. I had nothing to lose.”

    Better flexibility has allowed James to work on correcting bad habits that have crept into his delivery. Since returning from the DL, he has thrown 14 scoreless innings. The velocity on his fastball has gone from 86-88 mph to 88-92.

    “My location is there,” James said. “All my pitches are coming off my hand right. I’m where I need to be.”


  274. 279 morpheus45 June 21, 2008 at 12:42 am

    Notes from game…it was lots of fun till the 6th. Campillo looked good, Infante made a hell of a catch to rob a homer early on (they played the superman theme) and Tex made a hell of a throw home to start a DP. We were right in everything ’till Bobby reached for a pitcher who’d already thrown a season’s worth of innings to go for long relief. Infante and Ohman straight out sucked. Game over.

    I’ll say this: despite Frenchy doing his best Andruw impersonation, the crowd roars for him more than anyone but Chipper (even McCann).

    The cow is totally unobtrusive; it doesn’t dominate like y’all were worried it might. And it looks cool chopping.

    There are so many hotties at Turner Field it’s dang near impossible to pay attention to the game.

    The fireworks show was excellent; they certainly don’t skimp on it.


  275. 280 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 21, 2008 at 12:53 am

    Gil, glad Chucky is gaining some zip, and is learning, at least from physical standpoint he needs to adapt if he wants to get back, and stay with the big club. I’d like to hear how his slider is really biting, or the curve is really falling off the shelf….I could snap off a curve anytime I wanted to before wrist surgery, and I am just a slob sitting in front of a computer…if I had a chance to make big money, and pitch in the majors….slurves, screwballs, sliders, 2 seamers,….anything and everything I’d be working on….not trying to rain on his parade. He has clearly looked a lot better the last month in the minors…

    Here’s a question….who would you bump out of the rotation, Morton, or Campillo if/when Chucky or Hampton get called up??? I really don’t want to mess with either of them til they have back to back bad starts….who knows, we may yet have a surplus of pitching to trade! 😯


  276. 281 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 21, 2008 at 12:55 am

    Grinch, glad you had a good time in spite of the score! Cool to see a team you don’t see everyday, fireworks…and hotties!


  277. 282 morpheus45 June 21, 2008 at 1:03 am

    Now, oil. For some reason, Y’all don’t seem to want to educate yourselves about what’s available for us to use. The highest guesses for what drilling ANWAR might reach is 6 months of consumption at our current rate, and 10 years to be able to get it. In 10 years, that will be about three weeks worth of oil. Even if it was 6 months worth, does that really make us independent of the middle east? No, the Democrats bringing this up aren’t intelligent or well spoken, that’s one reason I’m not a Democrat. But alternative fuel technology has been available since the 60’s to avoid this crap from happening and big oil has bought out congress ever since to keep it from coming to fruition. Oil has gone from about a dollar a gallon to over four since your precious President (who’s campaign was financed by big oil) invaded an oil rich country, and Exxon/Mobil, BP/Amocco, and three or four others have shown record profits since 2001 (magically the same time we invaded and the same time prices started going up). Everyone’s willing to admit congress is crooked, but nobody’s willing to go a step further and admit what’s staring everyone right in the face. And before anyone accuses me of anything, keep in mind this is all public record. Every one of you could minimize your screen and find out the truth in 30 seconds if you wanted to, you just don’t want to ’cause you’re scared. Yes, the Democrats are stupid, and in most ways worse than the Republicans. But saying the government needs to regulate the oil companies isn’t stupid at all, it’s common sense. Unless, of course, you have a vested interest. If you’ve got stock in BP/Amocco, or you’re a Korean or a Chinese Communist, then I could see why you wouldn’t want anyone to step in and stop these freaking thieves from ruining our great country and picking all our pockets. To that, I have nothing to say. Look, Y’all, we’re already destroying a middle eastern country that has a lot of oil. Fine. If you care about the people dying, wouldn’t you at least like the savings passed on to the customer instead of going back into the pocket of campaign donors? I’ve got nothing against the Iraq war, I think gas is too high too. I just think it ought to come down in direct proportion to how much oil we steal. Just looking for a little accountibillity.


  278. 283 morpheus45 June 21, 2008 at 1:06 am

    B, the hotties were so present it wasn’t even fair. Any time some d-bag from up north gives you hell for losing to them, remind them that the chicks that were third-tier at the game would’ve drawn a crowd in Cleveland. 🙂


  279. 284 morpheus45 June 21, 2008 at 1:28 am

    And while I’m ranting, I just read that Chipper has re-injured his quad from jogging around the bases tonight and that there’s an egg-sized lump on it and he won’t be playing for quite some time. Here we go again. Let me preface this with a couple of disclaimers:

    Chipper is one of the best hitters of all time.

    Hampton is an all-star pitcher and in ST he looked way better than Smoltz, Glavine or Hudson.

    Soriano has good stuff.

    Now, I went through a good deal of physical therapy myself (6 months in a wheelchair and learning to walk again) and did three years of pre-med. There is NO FREAKING WAY you strain a quad jogging (if you’re a pro athlete), take it easy for a week or so and then tear it so bad you’re out for “a good while” by jogging a bit like he did tonight. I’m sorry, but no. That just doesn’t happen, and if it does you should be a pro knitter and not a pro baseball player. Try some massengil.

    Hampton. I’ve been supporting him forever. Calling him a bulldog. But when you look like you did this Spring and PULL A PEC and are out for 75 days before you can even throw catch on level ground? Sorry, that’s straight BS. I pulled a pec in HS as a middle linebacker and was allowed exactly two practices off. And my job was to stuff the run on every play by hitting the running back square on and wrapping him up before flinging him to the ground. In other words, more use of the pec than Hampton needs. Try some massengil.

    Soriano. Every piece of high technology known to man shows there’s nothing wrong with your elbow, yet “ohhhh, ohhhh, it hurts so bad” is all you can say for two months after signing a big money contract to close. Everyone gets tendonitis, and everyone knows yours was gone in a week or two at most. You freakin’ homo. Try some massengil.


  280. 285 Gil in Mechanicsville June 21, 2008 at 1:57 am

    Berigan.. You first…. I don’t think anyone has to be dropped from the rotation, I think the current pitchers will self destruct if given enough time. It is good to have spare parts.

    Grinch… My but you are cynical tonight. I will not get into the debate about the nationalization of oil companies but obviously something has to be done before we see run away inflation like we did in the 80s…

    The problem is there is no quick fix. However, if we the people had done something about the situation 15 years ago, we would not be facing this dilemma. Alternative fuels are great but has anyone thought about how the government is going to collect taxes on said fuel which will be consumed in automobiles? After all, we still need to fix roads and bridges. the real problem is our government loves to spend money it does not have on project we do not need.

    I would love to buy all manner of things but since I cannot print my own money, I have to settle for the things I need, not the things I want. I should think the government would be sensible enough to realize that too but we both know it is not going to happen.

    And as for Atlanta, look for Tex to be on the trade wire before the deadline. Maybe the Braves can pick up a future third baseman while they are at it.

    And Joe Borchard is on the DL in Richmond….


  281. 286 Gil in Mechanicsville June 21, 2008 at 2:06 am

    And the war has been over for 150 years… Time to move on… Most of the folks that live up north are from some place else anyway.

    When one side has all the ships. most of the money and the vast majority of the industry, one should expect the momentum to be on their side… The south gave good account of itself, the war will not be fought again so just be secure in the knowledge that no person in modern history has ever been elected President without carrying the South… We are all Americans… well, except those here illegally… but that is another string… 🙂


  282. 287 Gil in Mechanicsville June 21, 2008 at 2:10 am

    Grinch, you are a historian… Don’t you see the parallels between the oil companies today and the sugar interest in the Caribbean prior to the American revolution?


  283. 288 morpheus45 June 21, 2008 at 2:10 am

    Gil, I’m actually in a pretty good mood. I’m just cynical by nature, and it comes out when I get fed up (and I’m up drunk with everyone else asleep). Agreed there’s no quick fix. Not so sure the gov’t couldn’t fairly quickly come up with a way to tax alternative fuel. Agreed there’s way too much pork barrel spending. Agreed they ain’t gonna fix themselves anytime soon.

    Hate it Borchard’s on the DL, he was very impressive in ST. I personally hope Tex is gone shortly for some bullpen help and/or a run-producing 1b/outfielder.

    Now, snooze…


  284. 289 Gil in Mechanicsville June 21, 2008 at 2:12 am

    Grinch.. Bobby would still use the same 5 guys in the pen no matter how many he has…


  285. 290 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 21, 2008 at 2:16 am

    I have no idea why, but this page has refreshed itself, and I actually see posts at 2 am!!!!



  286. 291 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 21, 2008 at 2:22 am

    Grinch…..I think they are know saying(Some doc on ESPN?) that often strains are often slight tears….didn’t we hear that Chipper had a small hole in his quad a few weeks back??? When you hear something like that, a team says, dude, we’d love to have you in the lineup every day, but, more than that, we’d love to have you raking in sept and oct!!!!! So, on the DL, and get that sucker to heal….now, get this…I heard them talking about Albert Pujols calf “strain” a Doctor on espn said he has hurt it before, and that the tissue is weakened from the first strain….and that they have to make sure it has completely healed, or it will get even more damaged. Never heard of that before, and imagine it’s the same thing with quads…but what do I know???
    Well, I do know we have Infante now for just such a reason, to REST Chipper.


  287. 292 morpheus45 June 21, 2008 at 2:24 am

    Absolutely, Gil, though John Locke isn’t stepping in with well-written essays at this point. Oddly enough, Georgia in particular was affected by the sugar act because Carribeans were using money from molasses exports to pay for Georgia lumber. And considering rum is made from sugar…

    But now I must to snooze; I’ll resume this tomorrow if you’re up and about.


  288. 293 morpheus45 June 21, 2008 at 2:28 am

    Yeah, berigan, I know all that. I also know my coach (and a thousand just like him) would just say “Boy, are you hurt or are you injured? What? WHAT? That’s what I thought! Rub some dirt on it and get your @$$ back out there.” And it wouldn’t/didn’t cause any permanent damage and I wasn’t making a dime. But whatever.

    Gil, your 2:12 is spot on, unfortunately.



  289. 294 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 21, 2008 at 2:33 am

    Wanted to post that before everyone left…of course “Everyone” may have…
    I just get saddened when I see teams like the Red Sox not only outspend teams like us, but out think us as well! Thinkin’ like it’s the 21st century of somethin’. I hear Buster Olney talk about how they will give each starter time off during the season. No panic, they KNOW they will be in the playoffs. If they don’t win the division over the Rays, they’ll win the Wildcard.
    And Beckett will come off rest like a guy pitching in May, and no one will be able to get a hit.
    Braves??? Last year Smoltz was pitching on 3 days rest. Jurrjens has done it this year as well. Those are the LAST guys you want doing that for you.
    Of course, Campillo and Bennett are used like it’s forever game 7 of the world series….pitch til you can’t pitch no more! How many times did one of them start and pitch 5-6 innings, even if they hadn’t pitched more than 2 innings in a row in the last 2 weeks???
    Bobby seems to panic when it comes to pitching….panics that you can’t rest Chipper(Rest meaning DL) can’t rest Frenchy for just one day….he’s overdue for a big game!!! Never seems to rest McCann enough…and his off days turn into catching the last 2 innings more often than not…He’s young…


  290. 295 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 21, 2008 at 2:40 am

    Oh sleepy one….One thing though…you and your buds were a lot younger, correct??? Just sayin’
    Chipper is 36, and that quad is not getting the rest it needs…and just like Smoltz trying to pitch instead of really finding out what’s wrong and instead doing more damage, Glavine trying to pitch through pain on every pitch, and partially tearing a tendon….The manager has to make the tough calls for what is good for the team, longterm.

    And respond tomorrow(Later today?) but I will bet you dollars to donuts Soriano has something wrong in there….He doesn’t strike me like a Fred Lynn kind of guy, oh my shoes were too tight during the game last night, I need today off!!!* Usually, when someone says they are hurt, something is wrong. He can throw 95, so could Smoltz with a really screwed up shoulder…..
    And everyone remember, I said it first, Frenchy has Bone spurs in his ankles, or some sort of damage that the docs said he could play thru…and that’s why Bobby keeps running him out there….


  291. 296 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 21, 2008 at 3:21 am

    Ha, outsmarted myself…the * was supposed to again show up at the bottom of the post and then I would say…not a true story(But man that guy was hurt more than anyone in the history of the game!)


  292. 297 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 21, 2008 at 9:21 am

    Grinch a lot to digest in your post on oil…..
    I think both Republicans and Democrats have a lot of blame to share.
    Did you know the first George Bush was the one to put a ban on all coastal offshore exploration in 1990??? I sure didn’t til recently.

    The president’s call to resume offshore drilling appears to go against the 1990 policy of his father, President George H.W. Bush, who signed an executive order banning coastal oil exploration as well as of his brother, Jeb, the former governor of Florida, an outspoken opponent of offshore drilling.

    And this talk of resuming offshore drilling…its a day late and a dollar short…many days late. Should have been a top priority the day after 9-11…as soon as we found out 15 of the 19 hijackers were from the very wealthy country of Saudi Arabia….and yes alternative fuels should have been a higher priority…heck, how about just a priority, from either side?

    Truth is, there are no leaders on either side, or we would have heard talk of doing something, ANYTHING last year when we flirted with $3.00 a gallon fuel.

    We are completely unprepared for just about anything that may or may not happen.

    Why are we not building nuclear power plants??? I used to be dead set against them, but if the French can get 80% of their power from them, surely we could get what, 50%????

    Apparently, some folks would like to build them, but red tape keeps any new ones from coming online…red tape coming from Environmentalists. they mean well….

    And as much as I’d like to punish oil companies for price gouging….how do we do it??? Are they going to do it overseas??? If China, India, Germany, France, etc, etc, etc. are not…then British Petroleum and Dutch Shell might not want to do business with us anymore if it’s less profitable to sell fuel in the states than anywhere else….what??? We use 25% of the oil worldwide! Yeah, well how many cars are being put on the road each and every day in China? About 1,000!!! Even if they are little econo boxes, that is a lot of new gas users….

    Gonna break this up….man, why’d you start this, anyway??? 🙂 Oh wait, wasn’t it CL and SG that really started it??? 😕


  293. 298 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 21, 2008 at 9:36 am

    And how much oil is in ANWR??? Every time I see someone on TV or in print say it’s only 6 months…if that was an etched in stone fact, why would anyone bother with it??? How old are those projections??? Pre computer??? Pre deeper drilling equipment??? Who knows whom to believe??? Everyone has an axe to grind….everyone is an expert….Hey! Speaking of “experts” here’s a guy from the huffington post that writes on oil every few days, must be some sort of expert! 😆 He bashes Bush a fair bit in his columns…guess you have to if you write for Huffington! 😛 Raymond
    J. Learsy is his name…
    What does he say about oil supplies???

    The New York Times’ Hidden Hand On Oil’s Agenda
    stumble digg reddit del.ico.us news trust Posted April 25, 2008 | 10:21 AM

    Ironically, last Sunday the New York Times’ front page headlined ” Behind TV Analysts, Pentagon’s Hidden Hand”. On the front page of the Week in Review section Jad Mouawad set out to instruct us that oil’s future is murky (“The Big Thirst”). If ever a commentator on a given issue is freighted with prescribed points of view the New York Times’ reporter Jad Mouawad would be a standout candidate for the oil patch’s “golden goose” award for espousing the preprogrammed pieties that are wont to make us continue our soporific acceptance of the greatest heist, and transfer of wealth in human history. Where there are arguments to be contrived and oil patch rationalizations to excuse the heist inherent in today’s oil prices or to explain them away, leave it to the New York Times and Mouwad to convey the imprimatur of what once passed for serious journalism to this greatest of all con games.

    Mr. Mouawad and his New York Times have been writing ceaselessly and irresponsibly on the issue of oil. Mouawad has never been held to account by the Times’ editors nor its editorial page. His writings could easily be attributed to an OPEC or oil patch pitchman. With Mouwad it is never the industry, its willing allies in and out of government, nor the perverting hand of the Organization of Petroleum Exportng Countries (OPEC). It is us, and a bevy of reasons that are repeated ad nauseum that are the cause of what has become a dysfunctional oil market. Let me explain by citing a few examples from his Week in Review article “The Big Thirst”. More would run me out of ink and you out of patience:

    “no exporter turning off the spigot…Producers are struggling to pump as much as they can…”
    Here alone the full dimension of Mouawad’s freighted reporting is laid bare. Clearly and seemingly purposefully no mention of the fact that OPEC by its own admission has held 1.2 million barrels/day off the market since the end of 2006 that it could readily produce. That Saudi Arabia and OPEC have turned a cold shoulder on President Bush’s lame entreaties as well as that of the International Energy Agency (IEA) to produce more, not because they can’t but because they wont.

    “The North Sea and Alaska are slowly running out of oil and producers there are struggling to keep production from falling. Russia’s phenomenal surge is coming to an end”.
    Ah, shortages on the horizon, one of the oil patch’s banner headlines to screw up the price another notch. No mention of the new finds off shore Brazil, the massive revised upward revision of Saudi Arabia’s reserves (please see “Peak Oil’ RIP. Official Obit Frontpaged in the New York Times” 03.08.07 — commenting on an article penned by Mouawad himself on the NYTimes’ front page March 5, 2007, so he will not be able to claim ignorance, upwardly estimating Saudi Reserves alone at some 700 billion to one trillion barrels), the burgeoning oil development activities in Iraq (“35 Firms OK’d to Bid on Iraq Oil Deals” The Huffington Post 04.13.08) whose reserves are estimated to be comparable to those of Saudi Arabia with barely 10 percent of its land mass having been prospected for oil. As to Russia, no explanation that the slowing of the ‘oil surge’ is structural and hardly due to an inherent diminishment of oil potential under the right rules and management. But that is how the oil boys and the New York Times try to scare us into ever higher prices. That the oil shortage is inherent and imminent, that we are running out of accessible oil. We are not, there are still trillions of barrels of oil around to be found and tapped, from offshore Alaska in the Chukchi Sea (please see “Royal Dutch Shell’s ‘New Heartland’, Alaskan Drilling Rights, The Abject Surrender of Our National Patrimony” 02.25.08) to coastal Africa, the South China Sea, the Gulf of Siam, Greenland, the Arctic, offshore Sakhalin, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan and untapped reservoirs offshore the United States, the Gulf of Mexico and on. At current and significantly lower oil prices all are economically viable. But leave it to Mouawad to pull out the ‘arms length’ opinion from his friends at BP, “Another 1.2 trillion barrels of known conventional oil reserves wait to be tapped…But given the current rate of growth in demand, a trillion of those barrels will be used up in in less than 30 years”. Feel better now? Once upon a time the same argumentation was flagged to oil consumers, and yes we did run out of oil in Pennsylvania. You all remember that, don’t you?

    -And on, bringing praise and glory to the heroic efforts of the oil companies (and advertisers in the New York Times?) Exxon Mobil, BP, and Chevron by name, the Times instructs us of their selfless magnanimity that they together with the two other of the largest international oil companies (“the five largest international oil companies”) had spent $100 billion on exploration last year, by implication to presumably ease our pain at the pump. Of course no mention that $100 billion after tax credits is closer to $50 billion in bottom line money, or the approximate earnings of Exxon-Mobil alone. In New York Times fashion, a nice plug for the oil companies as to what they sow, no mention of the egregious profits they reap.

    – Then leaving caution to the wind, citing the ‘benefits’ of high oil prices. “High oil prices might end up forcing people to conserve and encourage the development of alternatives”. No argument there. All that cheering you hear in the background are the oil companies and oil producers cheering, “go Jad, go”, and reminding him not mention the enormous transfer of wealth that these high oil prices have facilitated, the growing risks to our national security given the nature of the regimes benefiting by this transfer of wealth, the crippling impact on our currency (by the way since beginning 2007 the price of oil has advanced more than 110% whereas the dollar has depreciated less than 30%. Correlation?), on our balance of payments, on the steadily engulfing stagflation and the toll on our economic well being.

    – Citing John Hess, chief executive of the Hess Corporation, the international oil company, who reportedly warned at a recent energy conference that an oil crisis was looming if the world didn’t deal with runaway demand and strained supplies. Mouwad would have given us an especially instructive insight into what is happening had he quoted John Hess’ father, Leon Hess the legendary founder of Hess Oil. Hess Senior testified before the Senate Committee on Government Affairs hearing on the role of futures markets in oil pricing back on November 1st, 1990 (no mistake, yes 1990):

    “I’m an old man, but I’d bet my life that if the Merc (the NY Mercantile Exchange) was not in operation there would be ample oil and reasonable prices all over the world, without this volatility”.

    Mr. Leon Hess, where are you? We need you now. But please don’t apply to the New York Times. Your incisiveness and clarity of vision would be very confusing to them.

    For those who might be interested in previous posts on the Times’ ‘Perils of Pauline’ reporting on oil, please see:

    “The Energy Wimps at the New York Times”, (01.12.06)
    “The New York Times Shamelessly Shills For OPEC” (09.12.06)
    “The New York Times’, Mouthpiece for The American Petroleum Institute” (07.23.07)
    “The New York Times’ Paroxysm of Mutual Self Congratultion With the Oil Patch” (08.06.07)
    “The New York Times Wins the Alfred E. Newman Award For Its OPEC Coverage” (11.19.07)


  294. 299 morpheus45 June 21, 2008 at 9:41 am

    Morning, all!

    Berigan, I voted for Bush 1 and have no regrets (I’ve never yet voted Democrat; when Kerry ran I just didn’t vote). I voted for Bush II the first time thinking he’d act like an extention of his dad. Yikes.

    I dodn’t agree Nuclear power is the answer. Too dangerous and hard to properly dispose of the waste. Honda already has a car that produces zero emissions. The Japanese are almost finished with a process to pull hydrogen out of sea water to make a viable fuel source. I saw a show the other day where a couple (I can’t remember their name off the top of my head) have developed a modification to attach to most any gasoline engine that will allow it to get 150 MPG with little loss of power. All these things and more are available or could be in a short time frame, but as long as big oil runs congress and both parties they won’t see the light of day. We need Teddy Roosevelt back here to bust these damn companies up. He would do that, and save the environment (without him we wouldn’t have half the national parks we do) plus he wouldn’t take any crap from foreign nations. He was the best of all worlds.

    Also, yeah I was referring to myself at 16, but I’ll tell you that I’ll be 35 next month, I’ve got a plate and screws in my left ankle, screws and wire in my left knee, and stage III degeneration in my lower back. I’m also about 70 pounds overweight, yet I still ocasionally haul my fat, creaky butt out to the park and play tackle football with the youngsters, sometimes on asphalt. I also dabble in Mixed Martial arts (Pankration). If Chipper tried even once to do what I do for free and for fun, he’d wind up in traction. I’m just sayin’.

    You may be right about Frenchy; I hope there’s a reason somewhere.

    Later; got errands to run.


  295. 300 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 21, 2008 at 9:42 am

    Ha! Funny with the sunglassed emoticons! Not in the article…. also forgot to link to that article….


    Here is my last post on this subject…for now…Saw Glenn Beck talk about the subject a few times…here is part of a transcript(The link will have the rest)
    Well, hello, America. I`ve got good news, and I`ve got bad news for you. Let`s start with the good news.

    The president has decided to invest over $23 billion to build seven new oil refineries. That means by 2012, oil and gas production will increase by more than 1.5 million Barrels per day. The president feels that due to the limited refining abilities, this will make the country energy independent if we build them. That finally is vision.

    Now the bad news. That comes from the president of Iran.

    Here`s “The Point” tonight. The rest of the industrialized world understands the need for energy independence. Why are we still hopelessly in the dark? Here`s how I got there.

    France has invested in nuclear energy. Europe is building 40 new coal plants. China is opening a new coal-fired plant every two weeks. And they`re currently building the largest hydroelectric dam in the world. I can`t fire up a barbecue in this country without Congress throwing a hissy- fit.

    For some unfathomable reason, our leaders in both parties in Washington would rather wag their fingers at oil companies and CEOs and place our country`s future in the hands of foreign dictators. You need to understand, we, the people, don`t control the supply and cost of our own energy, and neither do the oil companies.

    Ironically, there is an endless supply of innovators right here in America that are dying to solve this problem. But Congress keeps putting them in handcuffs.

    Oil companies want more domestic drilling. Industry wants to implement coal-to-oil technology. But permits to open new refineries and nuclear power plants so tied up with red tape, and over a trillion Barrels of untapped oil lies just in the shale of the American West. That is three times the largest oil reserve in the world. It would keep America energy independent for 167 years. We would answer to no one but us. Feds aren`t going to let us do it…..



  296. 301 morpheus45 June 21, 2008 at 9:44 am

    Whoa, I definitely don’t have time to touch that one. Later.


  297. 302 Carolina Lady June 21, 2008 at 9:45 am

    from email:

    Once again, Mensa asked readers to take any word from the dictionary,

    alter it by adding, subtracting or changing one letter, and supply a

    new definition. Here are this year’s winners. Read them carefully.

    Each is an artificial word with only one letter altered from a real

    word. Some are terrifically innovative:

    1. Intaxication: Euphoria at getting a tax refund, which lasts until

    you realize it was your money to start with.

    2. Reintarnation: Coming back to life as a hillbilly.

    3. Bozone (n.): The substance surrounding stupid people, that stops

    bright ideas from penetrating. The Bozone layer, unfortunately,

    shows little sign of breaking down in the near future.

    4. Cashtration (n.): The act of buying a house, which renders the

    subject financially impotent for an indefinite period of time.

    5. Giraffiti: Vandalism spray-painted very, very high.

    6. Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the

    person who doesn’t get it.

    7. Inoculatte: To take coffee intravenously when you are running late.

    8. Hipatitis: Terminal coolness.

    9. Osteopornosis: A degenerate disease. (This one got extra credit.)

    10. Karmageddon: It’s like, when everybody is sending off all these

    really bad vibes, right? And then like, the Earth explodes and it’s

    like, a serious bummer.

    11. Decafalon (n.): The grueling event of getting through the day

    consuming only things that are good for you.

    12. Glibido: All talk and no action.

    13. Dopeler Effect: The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter

    when they come at you rapidly.

    14. Arachnoleptic Fit (n.): The frantic dance performed just after

    you’ve accidentally walked through a spider web.

    15. Beelzebug (n.): Satan in the form of a mosquito, that gets into

    your bedroom at three in the morning and cannot be cast out.

    16. Caterpallor (n.): The color you turn after finding half a worm

    in the fruit you’re eating.

    And, the pick of the lot…

    17. Ignoranus: A person who’s both stupid and an ***hole.

    (Thanks, Gil!)


  298. 303 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 21, 2008 at 9:51 am

    Grinch, all for hydrogen fuel cell cars…I just wonder how we can get the water for them! We have a water shortage now…I can’t even wash my car….
    Desalinization plants would be a very good idea….Saudi’s, Kuwaitis, all those stinkin’ rich folks living in a desert can do it…but, again…..when I was looking into info on those plants…environmentalists….they don’t like them! They tie everything up in court for years, decades….and nothing can move forward…

    We have met the enemy, and he is us…or whatever Pogo said many moons ago….

    What?? You voted for Bush 1??? Me too! Well, the first time, then I voted for Clinton in 1992. Change, and all that…he said that a few thousand times and hey, Bush looked at his watch during a debate, he didn’t want to be Prez like Bubba did! 😳 Hey, nobody’s perfect! :mrgreen:


  299. 304 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 21, 2008 at 9:52 am

    CL, someone here might not like #2!!!! 😆


  300. 305 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 21, 2008 at 9:53 am

    Take your time Grinch….I is tire and headed for bed!!!


  301. 306 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 21, 2008 at 9:59 am

    so…a bit of baseball guesstimating before dreamland. Chipper can’t play. Out for longer than last time. Yunel not likely to be able to play for the rest of the series either. That means Infante, and Gotay HAVE to start today, correct???? So, any bets on us sending Ridgeway back down??? Or does Bobby say, Norton can play 3rd, we don’t really need more than one pinch hitter in a game anyway. 🙄 Lillibridge then???? Gil, is there anyone else who might come up in a pinch from AAA????


  302. 307 Salty June 21, 2008 at 10:16 am

    Can we put Bobby Cox on the 60-day DL? I’m totally underwhelmed by his and the team’s performance.

    Grinch…Every one of you could minimize your screen and find out the truth in 30 seconds if you wanted to, you just don’t want to ’cause you’re scared. Well…I feel better now. I knew something was bugging me, I just didn’t know it was fear! If that came from anyone else, it’d be offensive! 🙂


  303. 308 Savannah Guy June 21, 2008 at 10:37 am

    Highly technical subjects involving US or global economics, society, energy, the environment and politics are so often… no, make that most often… no, make that almost always mired in controversy due to preconceived notions and disinformation by opposing sides of any given issue. The ‘I’m absolutely sure about this’ stance or the ‘science is settled’ positions and opinions therefrom are most often relative to nothing based on reality except what the assumed end result of a successful argument might lead to in the mind of the person making the point.

    Those that expect government to make their decisions for them and redistribute the wealth… take away from those that “got lucky” by working hard or smart… and give to those that are repeatedly, chronically unlucky or those that haven’t worked as hard. Facts are funny things. We’ve become so polarized in this country that one third will always be left and one third will always be right… no matter the facts or the truth. One third has no clue but are subject to sway this way or that based on any number of superficial reasons. The ignorant one third rule the country with their unconscious or self-centered vote.

    The majority of both sides of any issue will almost always vote on things that are based on little pertinent information, cherry picked ‘facts’, out of context statistics and party-line talking points. All of this leads to confusion, misunderstanding and sustained ignorance. Depending upon one’s core views of political systems (not parties), the arguments in America today have less to do with reality and more to do with our own predilection to improve our own personal circumstance in life. So many tend to gravitate towards views, popular opinions and ‘facts’ that make them feel a part of a larger group and improve their own lot in life. Most opinions about complex issues are based on ulterior motives that are propped up by whatever gross over simplifications and erroneous viewpoints we can gather around ourselves.

    The aforementioned issues du jour are classic examples of that, but it’s really not about economics, oil or political affiliation. At the core of our beliefs, most or all things are influenced by our own sense of right and wrong. Politically, most issues are directly linked to either our belief that we should have a capitalist system or a socialist/communist system of government. We are either free to work hard and prosper or sit around and gripe about our unrequited sense of entitlement.

    Everything else is noise. Whether ANWAR can provide enough oil to cover 1% or 50% of out oil needs for either a few years after the plant is on line or until 2050 (which are the extreme estimates), is not the real point that needs to be argued. Energy independence is the point. Environmental protection, alternate, sustainable resources and clean technology is also the point. The most urgent point is national security and global economic competitiveness. One point, to a reasonable person, does not rule out the other. Our ultimate goal should be to do everything possible to ensure a clean, safe and secure country. All three goals can be achieved at the same time.

    Having an oil extracting facility in ANWAR would not harm the environment. Imagine one single shopping mall in the state of Virginia. That’s the footprint. Even that small footprint can be erased without any harm to the icy, barren wasteland when we’re done and leave.

    Until the politicians and media quit posturing on opposite sides of every complex issue (not likely) and the citizens of this country either become educated on the issues (not likely) or the citizens become influenced by the arbiters of more reasonable and balanced information (possible but improbable any time soon), then this country is bound to continue beating itself up, suffering from analysis paralysis, remain stifled because of political posturing and become vulnerable to danger in ways that we’ve never imagined.

    All the noise is not about oil; it’s about misinformation and wild speculation by American and foreign market makers. It’s not about whether or not drilling in ANWAR and offshore with clean, high tech methods or whether that will make enough of a difference in production or whether it pollutes the environment or becomes a minor inconvenience to Caribou… it’s all about (should be about) energy independence and national security.

    It’s not about choosing between oil drilling protecting the environment or developing alternative fuels, it needs to be about all three. It’s not about taking 10 years to come on line with oil operations… the same groups saying that now were saying that 15 years ago. Time flies. Doing nothing about the oil fuel under our feet is nothing but irresponsible and dangerous. Screwing on solar panels or creating a global food crisis while causing more water and air pollution due to mega-farming for alternative fuels is not an answer. Stuffing corn in our gas tank is not a final solution. These are not the sustainable, practical or sensible solutions we need.

    Global warming is not about the weather, it’s about solar flares, other natural cyclical causes and yet it has become for many a way to overtax America and reallocate worthy environmental funds and national security funds to self-centered ‘research labs’ that spew the Global Warming mantra. Many of these are the very same research labs that were calling for an ice age just 25 years ago.

    Polar opposite viewpoints by the same people yet the political weather has not changed a bit. This relates to every issue in America. This has to change or we will compound one mistake with another until we become a failed society and a failed country. Freedom is key. The government is not in the business of ensuring freedom and justice at this point. Our government is engaged the tug of war between capitalism and socialism.

    It’s not about ANWAR; it’s about America.


  304. 309 Savannah Guy June 21, 2008 at 10:38 am

    Oh… good morning Stuffians. 😆


  305. 310 chrisklob June 21, 2008 at 10:51 am

    And now for something completely diffferent……………..

    What happens when an ambidextrous pitcher faces off against a switch-hitting batter?



  306. 311 Savannah Guy June 21, 2008 at 11:01 am

    Klobber, that article is hilarious. Can you imagine what was going through that batters head? Too much probably, since he struck out. Ambidextrous pitcher… very cool. I hope he gets to the Bigs so we can watch that.


  307. 312 chrisklob June 21, 2008 at 11:08 am

    The next step in the Yankees minor league chain is Charleston. I hope he comes here! That’d be cool!


  308. 313 Savannah Guy June 21, 2008 at 11:30 am

    Klobber, I’ll come up there to see that.

    Is Pappy on vacation or in the lockup with Chief? Or maybe Nurse got annoyed and they did the, uh… procedure and he’s still a little sluggish.


  309. 314 Savannah Guy June 21, 2008 at 11:32 am

    With Chipper and Yunel injured I may have to just watch a movie tonight. Nah… I’m a glutton for punishment. It could be ugly.


  310. 315 chrisklob June 21, 2008 at 11:37 am

    With four position players on the bench and two of them filling in for Chipper and Yunel, that leaves a very thin bench. I have a feeling that Chipper really should be disabled. That’ll give him time to heal and also allow the Braves to get someone up to help.


  311. 316 lew614 June 21, 2008 at 11:42 am

    Sounds like a plan to me-Bull Moose 2. Start walking softly.


  312. 317 Salty June 21, 2008 at 11:43 am

    Would Bobby overwork and ambidextrous pitcher? Inquiring minds (at least mine) want to know.

    I’d expect a call-up today…don’t envision Chipper playing over the next week or three.

    SG…nice novel, very novel in fact. 🙂 …disinformation by opposing sides of any given issue. 😕 In the ‘information age’? How dare! Actually, I’ve long considered this the ‘disinformation age’…folks simply look for the view supportive of their own.

    …and the citizens of this country either become educated on the issues (not likely) The media, nor politicians want that…not at all in their interests! Very 😦


  313. 318 Salty June 21, 2008 at 11:44 am

    and ambidextrous 🙄 Sorry!


  314. 319 Salty June 21, 2008 at 11:46 am

    Mornin’, Lew…SG…Klobber…Berigan (when he awakes), CL (when she comes up for air), Grinch (when the headache wears off! :razz:), Gil, FBG, et al. Off for a run…feeling hostile…gasping for my next breath tends to mellow me…well, takes my mind off hostile intent! That’s good, too…I’m not big nor mean enough to act out! 😆 Adios!


  315. 321 Gil in Mechanicsville June 21, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    Much good stuff on the old blog today…. Even some baseball. 🙂

    Just thought I would drop in, I have several projects awaiting my attention today, I have been waiting for the parts to come in and they finally arrived.

    Berigan, there are some kids coming along but I don’t know what the Braves are looking for and I am not sure they know either…


  316. 322 Salty June 21, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    SG…nice song selection. Do know, I am now breathlessly mellowed out! 😆


  317. 323 Savannah Guy June 21, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    Looks like Klobber is currently getting clobbered up there in Charleston. We’re about to get it too. Man, some powerful storms this season.

    First day of Summer, right? Happy Summer.


  318. 324 chrisklob June 21, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    SG, the rain is just starting to hit at my house. We got pounded yesterday too. Gotta love it.


  319. 325 Gil in Mechanicsville June 21, 2008 at 5:33 pm

    Well, as luck would have it, only part of the projects completed. Wrong parts sent.. who would have thunk it???

    Oh well. gives me something to look forward to.

    Guys, keep safe down there in the land of cotton… We had a small storm passed through earlier but only just enough to spot up the cars.


  320. 326 Gil in Mechanicsville June 21, 2008 at 5:46 pm

    For all you guys who just know you have what it takes to play professional baseball if given the chance, Richmond Braves outfielder Carl Loadenthal should be your daily inspiration.

    Undrafted in college. Signed out of a tryout camp. Now in Triple-A, using his speed and hustle to “annoy other teams.”

    Loadenthal still is an underdog to make it to the major leagues, but then he’s always been something of an afterthought.

    “I’m sure I have far exceeded other people’s expectations,” he said. “Every year in spring training, some people are surprised I’m still with the Braves.”

    Loadenthal was one of the nation’s top basestealers in 2003 as a senior at Rider University in Lawrenceville, N.J. But no team picked him in the draft.

    Two days after the draft, a teammate called to say Rider’s seniors had been invited to a Braves tryout camp in Baltimore. Loadenthal, disappointed he went undrafted, almost didn’t go.

    He finally decided to hop in a car at 7 a.m. with five teammates and make the two-hour drive.

    Atlanta possibly needed some fill-ins for their rookie-league teams, a scout explained. Loadenthal ran the 60 in a fast 6.4 seconds, threw three balls from right field, hit, dropped some bunts. . . . He got a message the next day asking if he wanted to fill one of those spots.

    He has pretty much started every season as a fourth outfielder, scrapping to get in the lineup, then getting regular playing time when someone gets hurt or underperforms.

    “When your back is against the wall every day, you have something to fight for,” R-Braves manager Dave Brundage said. “Not that they all don’t have something to fight for, but it’s not like they gave him a million bucks to sign. He’s got something to prove every day.”

    Loadenthal had his best season last year, hitting .300, driving in 31 runs and stealing 40 bases with Double-A Mississippi. He was named to the Southern League all-star team. Baseball America rated Loadenthal the league’s best defensive outfielder and best baserunner.

    The career .297 hitter started this season in Mississippi and missed a month with a bruised hip after banging into an outfield wall. He then was promoted to Richmond last week when outfielder Brandon Jones was promoted to Atlanta.

    Loadenthal has a degree in communications. He’s a sports talk-show junkie whose dream is to be a host. His other dream — however farfetched it seemed before that tryout camp — still is in reach.

    “I’m willing to do whatever it takes to get [to the big leagues],” he said. “If I make it, it’ll be more inspiration for every other kid who doesn’t get drafted.”


  321. 327 Gil in Mechanicsville June 21, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    For shortstop Lillibridge, hitting has come easily, but this season’s different
    a closer look Brent Lillibridge would like to get back to being fruitful when he’s at the plate for the Richmond Braves.

    Richmond’s shortstop usually sees grapefruit-sized baseballs. Those have been reduced to BBs this season as he struggles through the first prolonged slump of his professional career.

    “I’ve got good eyes,” he said. “That’s not the problem. I see the grapefruits once in a while.”

    Lillibridge, 24, sports a .286 average in three pro seasons. Almost a third of the way through this year, he’s carrying a mystifying .187 mark as the Braves start a four-game series with Scranton/Wilkes-Barre tonight at The Diamond.

    “I thought .270 was slow,” he said. “I don’t even remember hitting below .250 after 10 games. It’s a new thing.”

    Lillibridge was sensational last season with the R-Braves, at the plate and in the field, after joining Richmond from Double-A Mississippi in June. He hit .282 and had 13 homers, 58 RBI and 42 stolen bases combined.

    But Lillibridge hit .195 in April, then .200 in May. He’s at .125 (3 for 24) in June. He has one homer and 14 RBI, with 13 stolen bases.

    “Hopefully, June is a good month and nobody remembers I was hitting so bad,” he said.

    Getting back to seeing grapefruits is Lillibridge’s goal. He has been jumping at the ball — baseball terminology for moving his body forward too much when he starts his hitting motion.

    The movement jerks his head forward and doesn’t allow him to track the ball as well. Braves hitting coach Chris Chambliss has been working with Lillibridge on staying still.

    That’s the physical remedy. Lillibridge is working on the mental one.

    “Everybody has a time and place when they have to endure failure,” R-Braves manager Dave Brundage said. “He has been his own worst enemy. He’s put so much pressure on himself, so much emphasis on his batting average. It’s tough to come out of that hole until he frees up his mind.”

    Brundage said it has been evident Lillibridge has been wearing his struggles on his sleeve.

    “He has taken his bat to shortstop,” Brundage said. “We’ve talked about that. He has the ability to win games with his mind, his glove, his arm, his legs and his bat. Not many people have that ability. We’re trying to engrain that in his thought process.”

    Lillibridge says he’s using this as a learning tool. He’s in a good state of mind, he said, and he’s stoked by the thought he’s still got three months to catch fire.

    “I’ve definitely allowed myself to get frustrated,” he said. “I feel like this is a big time for me to grow as a ballplayer and a person. How I face adversity and bounce back will be a big thing. I know I will.”


  322. 328 chrisklob June 21, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    Gil, thanks for posting the two articles. I particularly liked the one about Loadenthal. I remember pulling some baseball cards of his and thinking “who the heck is this?” None of my autograph buddies had ever heard of him so we had to look him up. It’s a nice story and I hope he gets a chance to play in ATL.

    Lilly is another story altogether. Not sure what’s happened to him. Is he simply overmatched at AAA?


  323. 329 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 21, 2008 at 6:28 pm

    Gil, very nice story on Loadenthal! And what a name! Hope to see him up here someday soon….

    And speaking of Lily…he’s up!


  324. 330 morpheus45 June 21, 2008 at 6:42 pm

    I’ve done a fair amount of research on oil drilling, and yeah there are estimates on how much oil’s in ANWAR that range from a few weeks to a few years. The sources I tend to trust say about six months, but I’m open to them being wrong. Of course nobody’s gonna know for sure how much is there ’till we drill and find out (and the way they’re talking about doing it doesn’t appear to me to be particularly harmful to the environment). My point is, we’re getting floods of oil from Iraq RIGHT NOW and the money’s going to BP and not the customer. If some more comes in from Alaska and goes to BP and not the customer then what frakin’ difference does it make if there’s a hundred year’s worth? THE THIEVES MUST BE STOPPED before the healing begins.

    Let me give y’all a parallel: The South African company DeBeers owns the entire diamond market. There are no competitors of any kind. Therefore they set the market. Did you know that diamonds aren’t actually rare at all? The reason you pay an absurd amount for one is because they have a monopoly and sell them to you for what they please. If they were to flood the market right now with diamonds, a one carat cut diamond would be worth approximately 10 dollars. Feel free to look it up. This is exactly the kind of crap we put up with from our oil companies because their power extends over our government out of a long time “wink, wink, nod, nod, here’s your cut” agreement. I don’t care if we drill in Yellowstone park as long as the savings get passed on; I just happen to know better as would anyone who bothers to peek at the stock market and look at their profits rising in direct proportion to rising gas prices. Once again, I’m not pulling this out of my behind; it’s a matter of public record and there for anyone who wants to read it.

    SG, you really can’t look at all the freakish hurricanes, tsunamis, tornadoes, melted ice caps, droughts, flooding and record temperatures that happen all to directly coincide with a dramatic population explosion and the increased use of coal burning and unregulated cars by the Indians and Chinese and see anything but “solar flares” as the cause? We have really GOT to play poker sometime, my man.


  325. 331 morpheus45 June 21, 2008 at 6:48 pm

    Now, baseball…

    The dawgs beat Stanford to wrap up the number 1 bracket; they play either Fresno State or UNC best of three for the title. And they STILL don’t get any of the CWS coverage on ESPN.


  326. 332 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 21, 2008 at 6:53 pm

    Carrol Rogers posted this….funny for her to comment like this on the line-up…

    oh and sorry, gotta give you the wacky lineup. please keep the hoots to a minimum.

    1. Omar Infante SS
    2. Kelly Johnson 2B
    3. Greg Norton LF
    4. Mark Teixeira 1B
    5. Jeff Francoeur RF
    6. Brian McCann C
    7. Ruben Gotay 3B
    8. Gregor Blanco CF
    9. Jurrjens P

    Frenchy will never miss a day!!!!


  327. 333 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 21, 2008 at 7:02 pm

    Start typing,then I get logged out! 😡
    Grinch, my best friend lives in Savannah, and is a football only kind of guy. He was never the least bit interested in baseball. So, when he started talking about the Dawgs winning the other day….I said, what, an old football game on ESPN classic?? Nope, he and his Dad were watching them in the CWS…and I said?? Really, you watching baseball??? Then I said…wait a sec, why is it every night I record Baseball tonight, the first half hour was missing because of the Women’s CWS??? Seriously, it wasn’t even getting much coverage on BT til a day or two ago….


  328. 334 Gil in Mechanicsville June 21, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    This game is looking ugly early. 😦


  329. 335 Gil in Mechanicsville June 21, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    This really has the look of a split squad spring training game…


  330. 336 Gil in Mechanicsville June 21, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    Just love Peachtree TV and their live mike snafus…


  331. 337 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 21, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    Gil, to be fair….the Mariners are 21 games under .500, it’s not like we have to put a great line-up against them. It’s not like the Mariners are going to get out to a quick lead or anything! 😆


  332. 338 morpheus45 June 21, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    I’m watching Deadliest Catch on Discovery, if that gives you an idea of the confidence I have in the team at the moment.


  333. 339 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 21, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    Grinch, 😆 Come on man! The Mariners have a lefty on the hill, we are overdue to beat one of those! 🙄


  334. 340 morpheus45 June 21, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    Time out, everyone, and a moment of silence please. Scott Kalitta died in qualifying today in a 300 mph crash during qualifying. He was a two-time top fuel champion and 18 race winner. He was 46 and survived by a wife and two children.

    I don’t know how many of you watch drag racing, but this is the equivilent of
    of a top ten NASCAR driver or a multiple time NBA or MLB all-star player in his prime. There are actually fewer people capable of handling the g-force involved in top fuel acceleration than there are those who can handle the g-force in a front-line fighter jet; he cannot be replaced easily. God rest his soul.


  335. 341 chrisklob June 21, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    Grinch, I don’t know exactly why, but I love Deadliest Catch!

    Here’s what Newt Gingrich says about how to lower the price of oil/gas:


  336. 342 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 21, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    Grinch, that’s very sad! Amazing there aren’t more crashes at the extreme speed they run. Most of the time I see a race or two on espn or speedvision, they look like they barely have control….guess that’s true to a point…


  337. 343 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 21, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    Skip and Joe talking about what to do for the team, Skip even mentioned they might want to trade Tex….


  338. 344 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 21, 2008 at 9:01 pm

    McCann stole a base! Went into 2nd standing up he’s so fast!!!


  339. 345 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 21, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    Would anyone have wanted Jim Edmonds after he was released by the Padres???

    With the Cubs, 4 homers 16 RBI’s in 74 AB’s hitting .311 with them after hitting.190 with the Padres….


  340. 346 morpheus45 June 21, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    Edmonds is like a box of chocolates; you never know what you’re gonna get. Not worth it, IMO.

    B, it’s not just the speed it’s the acceleration. You’ve stomped on it a few times in your life, I’m sure. A late 60’s Camaro SS goes from 0-60 in about 7 seconds, and the quarter mile in about 14 seconds at about 90 mph (and feels like you’re sucked back into the seat big time). A top fuel dragster goes from 0-100 in ONE SECOND, and usually does the quarter mile in about 4.7 seconds at around 315-25 mph. It’s difficult to even wrap your brain around.

    Chris, Deadliest Catch is a cool show; not sure why I like it either.

    Interesting clip on Gingrich; I’ve always thought he was a bloody fool but he seems to have started using his noodle a bit more of late.


  341. 347 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 21, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    Grinch, 0 to 100 in a second! That’s a good way to look at it!!! 😯 I have gone to the strip a few times in very heavy cars, and I know what it feels like to only be going 90 at the end of the strip (But with the pedal to the metal) and feeling if it was much faster, I’d worry about slowing down, car is floating slightly…I’d pee in my pants at 0-100 in sec…but, I bet’ I’d want to do it after changing clothes! 😆


  342. 348 Savannah Guy June 21, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    Grinch, I’ll be happy to play poker with you any time… not so much to convince you of anything other than placing a higher bet while I’m holding a better hand. I’ll let you raise as many times as you like when that happens. Interesting comments you had on DeBeers. I see few if any parallels to how oil works or is ‘controlled’, but the diamond business is even more bizarre than anything I’ve ever seen. I once attended, on assignment, an International Diamond Convention in Chicago. It was surreal. The whole time I felt like I was truly in the ‘belly of the beast’. Scary and creepy, to say the least.

    As far as the facts on oil and global warming, you really need to find a few new, unbiased research sources my man. Your argument seems to be based more on recession-minded emotion and proletariat ideology than anything resembling fact. You just need to resist the hysteria in the media.

    First, the oil speculators, mostly in foreign countries, are driving the price of oil up. The BP’s, Exxon’s and Chevron’s of the world are making boatloads of money but not nearly what you and 90% of the public currently believes. Sure, oil companies benefit from the speculation because it’s driving price and margins up, but they are also spending billions in research, alternate fuels, technology, etc. But they are not the evil empire. If you’re going to blame ‘big oil’, then you’d better add quite a few other profit making enemies to your list.

    When did ‘profit’ become a bad word in America? It’s what makes the world run. Without profits we live a hand to mouth existence. Without incentive, we are complacent, unmotivated wards of the state. Without profits, we have no… zero investment. Without the free, underline FREE enterprise system, we don’t just live in a socialist society, we live in a communist society where the government tells us what to do, when to do it and how to do it. Oh, and we get to spend times in bread lines for kicks. Did you know that many investment funds and employee retirement accounts, 401k’s, etc. have oil stocks in them? Yep, that’s the teachers unions, firemen, policemen and other groups not usually considered ‘greedy Wall Street barons’.

    It’s much more complex than you make it. Your argument sounds good, but it won’t hold water. Oil is woven into the fabric of our economy and those around the globe. It makes motors turn and it makes the world economy turn. Oil is no more evil than were the Tulip growers in Holland and the tech companies during their respective stock bubbles and crashes. The blame goes to the speculators and mostly the ‘Greenspan’s’ of the time period.

    Second, on the global warming topic, know this: it is true that the earth has been in a warming trend. Cycles of warming and cooling have been occurring since the beginning of earth itself. Just to be clear, the temperature is not the controversy. It’s whether or not or by how much man is causing it. Global warming has become more of a religion than anything to do with the weather. Ironically, most ‘believers’ are probably just passionate and uninformed good folks that want to protect the environment and save the earth. They are being used as ‘useful pawns’ in a much more serious political movement. The activist libs/progressives/socialists have glommed onto it as just another way to tax America and redistribute the wealth.

    I’d be more than happy to load you up with email documents and articles on the ‘real’ science and the truth about the issue. I’ll also send them to anyone here that would like to see those. Here a just a few clips from various sources:

    – If nothing else, we have certainly learned recently that planets undergo changes in their mean temperature, and while we can easily blame human activity here on the Earth, blaming humans for the recent warming on Mars and Neptune would be an astronomical stretch, to say the least.

    – There is no reason to believe that this 10,000-year-old cycle of solar-induced warming and cooling will change. Dr. Sallie Baliunas, an astrophysicist with the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics and one of the nation’s leading experts on global climate change, believes that we may be nearing the end of a solar warming cycle. Since the last minimum ended in 1715, Baliunas says there is a strong possibility that the Earth will start cooling off in the early part of the 21st Century.

    – I’ve heard it said that scientists who don’t believe in anthropogenic (human-caused) global warming are quacks and handmaidens of “big oil.” These statements are being made by followers of the leading voices of the global-warming movement, such as Al Gore, whose mansion consumes 20 times more electricity than the average home in America, and Stephen H. Schneider, who in 1971 was saying that anthropogenic dust particles were causing a new ice age. Moreover, I’ve heard that people with this view must be correct because “2,600 climatologists” concur on this serious problem. Right? Wrong. The number 2,600 reflects the names of the people who worked on the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which is the agency that made the predictions of global-climate doom.
Some of the people listed by the IPCC aren’t scientists at all, and some of those whose names are listed, including some of the world’s most respected climatologists who took part in the study, disagree with the IPCC’s conclusions.”

    – At periods in the earth’s history, it has been much warmer than it is now (during the Medieval Warm Period, grapes could be commercially grown in England) even without human carbon-dioxide releases. Historically speaking, the warming of the earth correlates with changes in the output of the sun. During the 1940s, ’50s and ’60s, human releases of carbon dioxide increased significantly, yet temperatures dropped. Temperature measurements of the Earth’s upper atmosphere, where the sun’s rays should be caught by the greenhouse gases responsible for global warming, do not show as much warming as on the surface of the earth.”

    (end of clips… deep breath now)

    That was just the tip of the iceberg, so to speak. So, my friend, you can believe any of this or not believe a word of it… makes no difference. But I’d really like to turn you onto some pretty cool info, so you’ll be aware of the ‘other side of things’. Hey, the reason I’ve even spent this time writing and gathering is because I like you, you’re smart and, selfishly speaking, you’d make a great and passionate advocate for social conservatism, environmental and economic reality. Like someone I can’t remember once said, “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away.”

    Oh, and I’ll really try not rub it in when I clean you out at the poker table. 😆


  343. 349 morpheus45 June 21, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    It’s not for the faint of heart. When my ship comes in I’ll be modifying my Monte SS for a few trips to the track, but it won’t break the 12 second mark if I can help it. I rode with a friend of mine in a modified big block cutlass that would go in the low 11’s and that made my you know what pucker up so bad I thought it was welded shut. 🙂


  344. 350 Savannah Guy June 21, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    Frenchman continues to (fill in the blank).


  345. 351 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 21, 2008 at 9:58 pm

    While nature called me,(TMI?) Gotay hit a homer! Then Chipper pinch hit, and drove in a run, 4-3!!!


  346. 352 morpheus45 June 21, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    SG, I have roughly 4,000 books in my library. I have political and environmental books from the turn of last century and the one before that. I have current political books by both Howard Zinn and Ann Coulter, and many, many in between. I don’t need to see the “other side,” I’m not on a particular side to begin with. I also avoid the media like the plague, because honest journalism died out more than a decade ago and nothing they have to say interests me anymore as I can find out the truth through good old fashioned research. I am a historian who spends my time reading great works from great minds who come from different angles to each other. I don’t understand why all of you seem to think I sit around and sip green tea and listen to NPR, and play Woddie Guthrie around a campfire on my hemp guitar just because I’ve reached the conclusion through gut feeling and diligent research that middle class America ought not have to work three jobs to have to fill up the tank when there wouldn’t be an oil shortage if there was some kind of regulation on big oil profiteering and government based incentives on alternative technology that already exists. You’re saying that means I’m uneducated, left wing, media biased, anti-capitalist and a freakin’ commie? I’m just gonna let that slide, and go back to the game for now.


  347. 353 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 21, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    Savannah Guy Says:
    June 21, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    Frenchman continues to (fill in the blank).

    Actually, he doesn’t come close to filling in the blank! 🙂


  348. 354 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 21, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    Forgot all about Norton being released by the Mariners, a double to tie the game!!! Good for Greg!! This time, hats off to Bobby for playing him tonight…a good move for once….


  349. 355 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 21, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    If ever there was a guy Frenchy should get a hit off, it’s this guy!!! Get him son!!!


  350. 356 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 21, 2008 at 10:34 pm

    Ya’ll, don’t get too excited, we won a one run game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  351. 357 flbravesgirl June 22, 2008 at 12:25 am

    WOOOOHOOOO!!!! How’s that, Berigan? I was out running errands all evening, getting ready for the trip & watched the game on DVR. So I’m a bit behind y’all. Way to come back, boys!! How about Mac, steals a base & drives in the winning run. 🙂


  352. 358 lew614 June 22, 2008 at 12:36 am

    Will wonders never cease? Kathy said earlier tonight when I told her what the lineup was that they just might pull it off and fool everyone. Look’s like she was right. Let’s hope it leads to some more of the same.

    Profits and losses and Global Warming (or not)aside-It’s damn well time to develop alternate fuel sources and it’s damn well time to do it now. Wind and solar are there for the taking and the technology could put our manufacturing sector back to work-it won’t cover everything, but would sure help keep our electricty grids working on the cheap without a bunch of nuclear waste to dispose of or some fool to melt down. I’m just getting sick and tired of having someone on the other side of the world dictate to us what we need to do. Time to take it into our own hands.

    There’s just not enough oil to deal with the demand of the whole world now that China and India are so heavily in the mix and it’s getting harder and more expensive to get it to the gas tanks. Good old (pardon the expression y’all) Yankee ingenuity has enabled us to accomplish anything we needed to accomplish in the past and it’s time to put it to work and come up with a solution-NOW, not later.


  353. 359 Savannah Guy June 22, 2008 at 12:50 am

    I can’t believe I’m still up. Maybe it’s the full moon. Maybe the comeback one run win. Dunno. Could be global warming.

    McCann is looking better every day, maple shattered bat and all. Wow!!! What a nice comeback. With a split squad with Chipper batting 1000 tonight.

    Lew, get Kathy to pick us some lottery numbers.

    Grinch, didn’t mean to get your dander up and certainly didn’t intend to insult you. Listen, I hear you… but you have to acknowledge that “great minds, great and honest journalism” is relative to our own servo-mechanisms and our personal perspective and core beliefs. One man’s great is another man’s average. Even that equation is usually relative to the era in which the journalist’s perception was proffered or interpreted.

    Further, journalism is no less honest than it has ever been. It really didn’t die out more than a decade ago… great journalism has always been in the minority of all journalism. Always will be. That’s what makes great journalism great… it’s rare, just like common sense, unbiased perspective and concise articulation of issues or events.

    So, the card game is off? If scared, say scared. Hey, 4000 books in a library is impressive. Either you have a big library or have a lot of filled boxes. That’s 5 books per week for 17 years… or many books are yet to be read. Maybe you’re including the Jack and Jill and Dr. Seuss editions read before you turned 18. Is there an effects emoticon for ‘just pulling leg and jabbin’ a bit’? 😆

    C’mon now, you sayin’, “… don’t understand why all of you seem to think I sit around and sip green tea and listen to NPR, and play Woddie Guthrie around a campfire on my hemp guitar just because I’ve reached the conclusion through gut feeling and diligent research…”. That actually sounds like a pretty good evening to me. Campfire and Woodie Guthrie adds to the enjoyment, as does Pete Seeger and the Alice’s Restaurant son of Woodie. But what are you referring to there and who is “all of you”? By no means did I ever say or insinuate that you were uneducated, left wing, media biased, anti-capitalist and a freakin’ commie.

    Well, I know you’re educated… not sure about the rest because of your own prior words and opinions. Hey, whatever…. it’s cool man. I’m just glad to hear you denounce those other things.

    It’s either grapes of wrath or just where we put or find ourselves that makes us what we is.


  354. 360 morpheus45 June 22, 2008 at 1:06 am

    How about this. I’m tired of having to try to out-type people and make points about things I normally reserve for in-person conversation. I don’t like to talk politics or religion with anyone I can’t look in the eye while I’m doing it. When someone is face to face with me I can take their measure and cut through the BS on the spot. I (and we, ’cause I’m always open to genuine debate) can break our sources out and settle things in a real and satisfying setting.

    Ever since I’ve gotten on here, I’ve realized that it’s me against every single one of you. And what makes me angry is that 20% of my books are biographies and autobiographies of the greatest Americans who’ve ever lived. I’ve got a 10 by 15 American flag flying in my front yard, right above the same size Confederate battle flag. I’m all in favor of capitalism and conquering new territories. Seizing their property. Bombing them into the stone age if they resist. My family has fought in eight wars defending this country and I firmly believe we’re the greatest nation that the planet has ever seen including ancient Greece or Rome.

    Yet all I get from y’all is crap because I dare to point out that what Bush is doing would cause our founding fathers to roll over in their graves. Guess what? That doesn’t make me a %$^#-ing communist, that makes me a REAL %$#^-ing patriot. I love this country more than life itself and that’s why I go into a psychotic rage when it’s values get compromised. The rest of you watered down sheep (no, not all of you, but you know who you are) ought to look in the mirror before you call me a socialist and reflect on what you REALLY believe first. You might just find I’m leading the charge back to a time when everyone here could look at a waving flag, stare into the eye of the eagle and feel a tear in the eye not because Toby Kieth was selling you a ^%$#-ing Ford truck but because you are a member of the greatest nation the world has ever seen and you don’t NEED a god-%$#@ Ford commercial or a Fox news segment to validate your heritage. Act like you’ve got a pair; the founding fathers would appreciate it.

    I’m gone; anyone who cares knows how to get in touch with me.


  355. 361 Gil in Mechanicsville June 22, 2008 at 1:33 am

    Wouldn’t you know it… I fell asleep and missed the come back. Oh well, hopefully there will be more.

    I am not even going to try and step into the discussion between SG and The Grinch…. Other than to say good stuff…. My own level of cynicism has been honed by years of dealing with folks who believe lying is a birthright to advance their own agenda.

    And more baseball…. I don’t think Infante is going to win any Gold Gloves this year as a shortstop…


  356. 362 Gil in Mechanicsville June 22, 2008 at 1:41 am

    Oh come on Grinch… No one is ridiculing you or doubting your patriotism or even the level of your passion… The only way a problem is ever solved is for the free flowing discussion of opposing ideas. Yes it takes longer to find the answer rather than an answer but then it often takes many failures to learn what it is to be successful.

    Your commentary is always welcome and yes, I like The Most Dangerous Catch too… 🙂


  357. 363 morpheus45 June 22, 2008 at 1:50 am

    SG, my last post came up about half an hour before yours came up; not sure how that’s possible. Very, very strange. Yours must have been caught in the filter. Anyhoo, I say any further talk should be over raw oysters and martinis. Cool?


  358. 364 morpheus45 June 22, 2008 at 1:51 am

    Now as soon as I post that there’s one from Gil. YET ANOTHER REASON TO DO THIS IN PERSON. 🙂


  359. 365 Gil in Mechanicsville June 22, 2008 at 1:54 am

    Syracuse, NY – The Richmond Braves beat the Syracuse Chiefs 7-5 Saturday at Alliance Bank Stadium. The Braves erupted for a season high seven runs in the second inning to end a four game losing streak.

    The Braves sent 10 men up in their seven run second inning. Enrique Cruz knocked in two with a double and scored on Mark Jurich double. Diory Hernandez chased a run home with a sacrifice fly. Scott Thorman bashed a three-run homer to cap the outburst. Syracuse began their comeback with a run in the fifth on an RBI single by Wayne Lydon, ending a string of 18.2 consecutive scoreless innings by Braves pitcher Chuck James. The Chiefs broke through against James in the sixth to score four times. Kevin Melillo knocked in three runs with a bases-loaded triple and scored on Russ Adams sacrifice fly. However, Braves relief pitchers worked four scoreless innings.

    James earned the win. Jorge Julio tossed two innings of shutout relief to record a save. David Purcey took the loss. Josh Anderson had three hits for Richmond. Melillo had three hits for the Chiefs.


  360. 366 Gil in Mechanicsville June 22, 2008 at 1:55 am

    There are a lot of new faces on the Richmond team…


  361. 367 Gil in Mechanicsville June 22, 2008 at 1:56 am

    Last year there were 184 roster moves by the Richmond club. That door was not just revolving but spinning like a top….


  362. 368 Gil in Mechanicsville June 22, 2008 at 2:00 am

    I will go for the martinis but gave up on raw oysters many years ago… Of course I could really be brave and have sliced tomatoes…


  363. 369 Gil in Mechanicsville June 22, 2008 at 2:01 am

    Okay.. time to give it a rest… Later folks.


  364. 370 morpheus45 June 22, 2008 at 2:06 am

    Raw oysters on saltines with some tabasco and ice cold vodka…yummy stuff.


  365. 371 Gil in Mechanicsville June 22, 2008 at 2:57 am

    Proof yet again that once someone has consumed enough vodka they will eat just about anything… 🙂


  366. 372 Gil in Mechanicsville June 22, 2008 at 3:03 am

    Come to think of it, it also enables one to have plausible denial…


  367. 373 Savannah Guy June 22, 2008 at 7:41 am

    Grinch, certainly didn’t mean to offend or give crap. More like inform and debate. Thought since you threw in the old, “Now, oil. For some reason, Y’all don’t seem to want to educate yourselves about what’s available for us to use. you might appreciate some thoughts I had on the subject or want to see some of the research I’ve done. Anyway, I find it interesting although I’m sure it would put most folks to sleep. I’ll be glad to forward some stuff if you’re interested or just curious.

    Oysters and martini’s does sound good. Well, not for breakfast but in general. No worry Gil, the tabasco kills most of the bad stuff and the martini covers the rest. Had some raw oysters just the other night. Mmmm…

    I’d like to watch the 9th inning of last nights game again. Our monkey may still be there clutching onto our back cackling and all, but man, that was sweet.


  368. 374 Savannah Guy June 22, 2008 at 8:07 am

    ‘Twas a good night for baseball last night. It’s gonna be fun to watch UGA in the college finals. Hopefully UNC will be there too.


  369. 376 morpheus45 June 22, 2008 at 9:05 am

    Ohhh, my head…


  370. 377 chrisklob June 22, 2008 at 9:57 am

    The Chiefs broke through against James in the sixth to score four times.

    I see that Chuckie’s up to his old tricks.


  371. 378 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 22, 2008 at 10:10 am

    Chris, I think Chucky had 2-3 good starts to boot right before that game…I never, NEVER hear if he has worked on another pitch. Heck, I’ll show him how to throw a slider….mine wasn’t nearly as good as my curve, but what the heck, another pitch to look for at least!


  372. 379 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 22, 2008 at 10:15 am

    Yes Grinch, your head! No one wants it now, after what you did to it last night! 😛


  373. 380 chrisklob June 22, 2008 at 10:21 am

    I love this story. On CNN.com’s home page, they have a link to a story on Golf.com (a cnn/si.com website).

    Golf.com Analyst apologizes for ethnic remarks

    Here’s the link to the article: http://www.golf.com/golf/tours_news/article/0,28136,1816967,00.html

    Miller clearly said some things that were not appropriate, even though they might be true. What infuriates me is people trying to make more of this than it is, INCLUDING CNN. How are those comments “ethnic”? RIDICULOUS!!!@!


  374. 381 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 22, 2008 at 10:39 am

    Chris, that’s rediculous! If he said he looked like your typical Italian mobster or something, that would be different….he will be afraid to open his mouth from now on….


  375. 382 lew614 June 22, 2008 at 10:48 am

    Gil-I say this as a (mostly) Democrat and is not directed to the more conservative types here, personally-Lord knows, many of them did their best to get me to come back to the blog after I left (which had nothing to do with partisan politcs, anyway). I say it mainly to show the mindset of “the other side” (some of y’all would say “The Far Side”) so to speak.

    I’ve had it in spades with the Republican Party-for a number of reasons. First and foremost started during the Reagan admin. when I was running a clothing store in Clearwater. I made the mistake of talking political issues with a young couple shopping at the store. They looked at each other (and I swear by all that is Holy that this is true), put their hands to their respective cheeks (in unison) and said “Oh My God. He’s a (gasp) LIBERAL,” as if I were a lower life form (and if I hear a comment on THAT one, y’all can go ….and I’m gone for good).

    The situation became progressively worse throughout the Gingrich revolution (what a flipping joke) and successive Republican led congresses and The (GASP) two W admins, which were and are a total joke (though far from humerous) for numerous reasons.

    Much of what Grinch says is true-at least I agree with him-about the loss of fundamental rights-hell, I got an email from CL this morning talking about how Congress (and don’t kid yourselves this is because we supposedly have a Dem congress the past two years-it’s still admin. driven) wanted to track our EBay purchases-a definite intrusion on our privacy. Not liking the policies, thereof does not make us unPatriotic, peacemongers or anything other than concerned citizens that truly care about our friends, family and neighbors and how we’re treated by our government. No one expects y’all to agree with everything we believe-I sure as hell don’t agree with everything Y’ALL believe-but I still send syrup and art to many of you. Just keep in mind that the next one who calls me unpatriotic, delusional or an enemy of this country better damn well be ready to have a flagpole shoved up their…..Well, y’all are smart enough to figure it out. Chill the F### out. The Other Party (yours) ain’t nothing to write home about, either, and as is more than likely, most of us believe some from both camps and not much from either.


  376. 383 lew614 June 22, 2008 at 10:49 am

    Where the hell did that Smiley face come from? I sure didn’t put it there.


  377. 384 Gil in Mechanicsville June 22, 2008 at 10:53 am

    Miller, afraid to open his mouth? Naw, never going to happen if for no other reason than to take his foot out of it…

    And Chuck is working on a slider to go with his change up…

    And on raw oysters… It’s just I have objection to trying to swallow the same food more than once trying to keep it down…

    And on Tiger… Most of the characters he brought to the game can go away as far as I am concerned…


  378. 385 chrisklob June 22, 2008 at 10:55 am

    Lew, both parties suck. They aren’t looking out for the good of the people or the country, they’re looking out for their own best interests.


  379. 386 Gil in Mechanicsville June 22, 2008 at 10:59 am

    Lew… Are you taking umbrage at me? I am one of the most middle of the road people you have ever met….


  380. 387 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 22, 2008 at 11:01 am

    Gil, glad to hear Chuck is working on one…I just never saw it in print. I read the story you posted on Pilates, or however that’s spelled. He seems to be trying to improve himself…and up to that last start, sounded like a guy turning it around….one bad start isn’t the end of the world….


  381. 388 lew614 June 22, 2008 at 11:03 am

    Gil-Not taking umbrage at anyone. You need to read closer. “Tis merely an explanation of how others view political life in this country. Thought that’s what I said. Merely added your name because your response to Grinch was the last I saw.

    Chris-I agree. I just think the Dems will screw it up less than the Republicans will. We may be doomed either way, quite honestly. I really need to rule the world-I just don’t want to. Way too much trouble and I’d have to deal with way too many And Idiots.


  382. 389 Gil in Mechanicsville June 22, 2008 at 11:04 am

    The other day Carrol Rogers made a comment about Damian Moss and his last start, don’t be fooled, he is not going to be a factor in the Braves plans as far as I can tell, he has many more bad outings than good ones. He reminds me of a buffet where the food is awful but the upside is there is lots of it… He gives you innings but few quality starts…


  383. 390 lew614 June 22, 2008 at 11:05 am

    Besides, if I ruled the world there would be no more time for artwork. Of course, I could promise maple syrup for all-not quite a chicken in every pot (or Pot for every chicken), but then again, my wife is a vegetarian.


  384. 391 Gil in Mechanicsville June 22, 2008 at 11:07 am

    Scroll up Lew… Scroll up… I feel like I was just caught in a crossfire…


  385. 392 Gil in Mechanicsville June 22, 2008 at 11:09 am

    By the way… The wife is interested in a Brian McCann rendering…


  386. 393 Gil in Mechanicsville June 22, 2008 at 11:12 am

    Okay, time to get ready to go visit Mom… We placed her in a nursing home this week and it is a lot like sending a child away to camp.. Lot’s of kicking and screaming but if she would just try to assimilate she might find she could enjoy it. Certainly lots more to do than just watching TV and other folks to talk to. Sigh… I think she just want so try and make me feel guilty for not dedicating my life to her whims… 😦


  387. 394 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 22, 2008 at 11:27 am

    Not much for people to get excited about from either party it would seem.
    I just wish there were more old fashioned Dems running for office. If Truman or JFK came back from the dead, I’d vote for them in a second. Plus, if they came back from the dead, I’d be scared not to vote for them! 😯

    At least I knew with those guys, they weren’t going to take any crap off of anyone! Today??? A guy Obama is likely to make the next National Security Adviser, Richard Danzig(Was the Naval sec under Clinton) he said a few days ago, “Winnie the Pooh seems to me to be a fundamental text on national security.” Really!
    Meanwhile, we have Iran working towards nukes, and their president says things like the solution to the Middle East crisis is to destroy Israel!!! Here, Mahmoud, before you go any further, read this Winnie the Pooh book, I think you will want to hug a Jew after reading it! 🙄
    That’s what worries me. Not having the most liberal senator in the white house, but what people like Obama and friends really think are solutions to our problems…..


  388. 395 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 22, 2008 at 11:31 am

    Not much baseball news on a Sunday morning, is there????

    Gil, sorry about that! 😦 Sounds like what I hear from other people I know when they have to put Mom or Dad into a home….


  389. 396 Carolina Lady June 22, 2008 at 11:32 am

    I’ve started to write something 4 or 5 times, have thought better of it each time and have erased it. Don’t want to cause ill feelings. Still, my thoughts are just as valid as those of anyone else.

    Don’t misunderstand. I send emails about ISSUES that our GOVERNMENT is doing/trying to do to US. I am very angry at the Republicans as I am at the Democrats. I adamantly disagree with more of the Dem positions than I do with the Rep, specifically on abortion, homosexuals, taxation, give-away programs on top of more give-away programs, ILLEGAL immigration, the North American Union, etc – and I do not agree with most of the things that the current president has done. I’m totally against NAFTA, the multi-billions of foreign aid we ‘give’ to the world, government intrusion, the fake trumped-up doctrine of so-called ‘political correctness’, the North American Union, and many other things. If that offends, it offends.


  390. 397 Carolina Lady June 22, 2008 at 11:37 am

    Gill, “I think she just want so try and make me feel guilty for not dedicating my life to her whims…” That is 100% true! I live with it every day and it makes a total prisoner out of you and sucks the life right out of you. Damned if you do and damned if you don’t. I’ll kill myself before I’d put my family through any of this. It is the ultimate selfishness.


  391. 398 lew614 June 22, 2008 at 11:43 am

    Gil-Sorry you feel that way. I explained myself. I have no other explanation.

    Ma’am-Re: your email about Congress and the EBay thing. I agree, which is why I mentioned it. When you send things I consider too far to the other extreme for my views, I’m quite capable of deleting it-or ignoring it. You’ll notice never asked you to cease and desist with the sending, thereof-and I still send syrup!!!


  392. 399 Gil in Mechanicsville June 22, 2008 at 11:55 am

    Lew, it is why I said scroll up… I did not start that string, I was just trying to keep Grinch from leaving again…


  393. 400 Gil in Mechanicsville June 22, 2008 at 11:58 am

    Anyway… Forget I said anything, it’s just another distraction we don’t need.


  394. 401 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 22, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    Hey! Games on!!! Frenchy is resting!!!! I told ya Bobby eventually gets the idea we all have had for a few weeks…perhaps TP finally said something????


  395. 402 chrisklob June 22, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    Berigan, are they wearing those awful red jerseys?


  396. 403 chrisklob June 22, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    Berigan, Frenchy is sitting? Cox must have taken a blow to the head!


  397. 404 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 22, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    Chris, yep the Red ones! Tex just hit a homer high off the fair poll, bouncing right into Suzuki’s glove !!!!

    Chris, if it was a blow to the head, let’s hope it keeps him razor sharp all year! 😉


  398. 405 chrisklob June 22, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    Sweet. I hate those jerseys but they seem to work.


  399. 406 chrisklob June 22, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    I think I know where Pappy might have been gone off to for the past few days. The title of the article is “Giant Moon Pie baked for festival”!



  400. 407 morpheus45 June 22, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    Wow, now I feel the air has cleared a bit and it might actually be fun posting here again!

    Berigan, if Truman or JFK ran again I’d vote for them too (although I personally preferred Nixon to JFK). I still think the current situation calls for Teddy Roosevelt. BULL MOOSE IN THE HOUSE!

    Gil, don’t be mad. My posts last night were aimed outwards to many and not you specifically, and Lew is not much of one to backtrack and study old posts. He’s too busy sermonizing. 🙂 JK, Lew; thanks for backing me up. Even you and I don’t see everything eye to eye politically but we’re not too far off and we’ve always been able to discuss it cordially.

    CL, of course your opinions are valid; don’t ever feel like you want to say something but are scared to because of how it would be received.

    This whole episode goes to show that mutual respect and harmony can be achieved through communication, and some ranting while others stay quiet while harboring disagreement ultimately causes explosions that could easily be prevented. The same is true with male/female relationships, which I why I tend to stay single. 🙂


  401. 408 morpheus45 June 22, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    BTW, I’m no Obama supporter, but Winnie the Pooh isn’t the worst advisor one could pick. When times get hard, he tends to say “%$^# it, let’s go eat some honey.” I’d prefer that to Kissinger whispering “Invade Grenada to cover up the Contra scandal” in my ear. 🙂

    All nonsense aside, there is a book called “The Tao of Pooh” that’s been out since the 70’s; it’s a good read and not a bad thing to apply to your life philosophy (assuming you’re not leader of the free world).


  402. 409 Savannah Guy June 22, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    Gil… why did you start all this political controversy on the blog? :mrgreen:

    Lew, if you do a McCann portrait for Gil’s Lady, you might make an artist copy for another one among us that would surely also want one of our catcher. Not mentioning any names, but the initials are FBG.

    Lew, another thing… I really don’t get your drift/tone about chilling out and placing flagpoles in places they don’t belong. Not sure anyone got overheated about anything here in Stuffville. Disagreed yes, but not needing to chill so much. It’s actually pretty cool. I think me and ‘ol bug Grinch did most of the debating, but we’ve always known where that starts and stops. Besides, we’ll be making oyster and martini dinner plans, so it can’t be all that bad.

    Maybe I’m off base and you get disagreeable emails that call you an unpatriotic sob or something, dunno, but I’d never do that. We don’t agree on much politically but who cares? I certainly don’t. Never measured a man or condemned a man for his beliefs… only actions. That, and I’m no judge.

    Now, on you being the leader of the free world… sorry Dude, can’t give you my vote on that one. Governor of Vermont, sure. I’ll vote for you there, if I could and I think you’d straighten out that state. I can see it now… one week after you’re elected, the new state song of Vermont would be something Jethro Tull. The state dog, bulldog.

    NEA grants would skyrocket. Art would be everywhere. Hemp would be legalized. Braves would be televised and Grinch would be your Lt. Gov. But then, would they keep you in office long after finding out what a UGA Bulldog you were? You might have to adopt a second team. Just for show and all.

    And if you get lucky, no one there will ever find out about your use of an winky emoticon in a blog. That could be used as a controversial October surprise. 😆


  403. 410 Savannah Guy June 22, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    “…bug Grinch”? Whoops. Meant ‘bud’.

    Speak of the devil… Green one, somehow I knew your forehead might have a railroad spike in it this morning. Glad I moseyed off to bed when I did.

    Mutual respect and harmony… right on bro. That, and Grey Goose, chilled, stirred, up with three olives.


  404. 411 Salty June 22, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    “…bug Grinch”? Whoops. Meant ‘bud’.

    So sayeth Freud, before the slip? 😆


  405. 412 Savannah Guy June 22, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    Carolina Lady and Gil, my heart goes out to you both, good daughter and son, for taking such good care of your mothers. Not all kids would do that. Unfortunately, not many at all would sacrifice what you have. God bless you and them.


  406. 413 Savannah Guy June 22, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    Salty, it’s weird… you can scan over a post to see if everything looks right, hit the post button and just as soon as it pops up your eye goes straight to a misspelled word or a mistyped word or something. Instantly it jumps out like a neon light.

    Hate it when that happens.


  407. 414 Savannah Guy June 22, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    All of a sudden the streets of Stuffville are deserted. Maybe FBG will have a bake sale or sumpin’ to liven this place up. Then it’ll be desserted. Anyhoo, I’ve gotta get my own seff out in the yard to do some stuff anyways. ‘Til then, a little livenin’ up tunage might help. Nothing too political.

    It’s just a quarter.


  408. 415 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 22, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    We won again!!! Tex hit 3 homers, in case youze guys didn’t know it! 😛 I also like Tex much more when he hits 3 in a game! 😆


  409. 416 Savannah Guy June 22, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    Braves win, Phils lose, Tex get’s three dingers, McCann gets one, the game was not on here but all is good at the Ted for today. We’re 4 back. That’s something.

    Now, to the repotting before the storms get any closer…


  410. 417 Savannah Guy June 22, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    get’s gets got. sigh…


  411. 418 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 22, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    SG, there are just days like that. I swear I will go days without errors, and then, like a few nights ago every other post looked like I had typed with my right hand on the left side of the keyboard, and left on the right!


  412. 419 flbravesgirl June 22, 2008 at 6:12 pm

    Good… what is this? Late afternoon or early evening? Anyway I’m very glad to see peace & harmony return to Stuffville.

    Really fun game today. I actually got Joe & Boog, could’ve hugged the TV. I guess we’ll have to give Tex a pass today on the griping.

    No bake sale today, SG. I’m leaving at 5 am 😯 to head up to Rabun. So y’all will get to hear me grumble about the laptop again.


  413. 421 TennesseePaul June 22, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    Is this season bi-polar or what? This team is interesting to watch. One series or week they look terrible, the next they look like the best team in baseball.

    I’ve wondered about this team since the beginning. I wasn’t sure the young guys would come through, but they have. I hope they can maintain it. Morton will have some work ahead of himself. Once the scouts get a thick book on him it will really determine his abilities. He looks like he’ll be a good one.

    Just a little more production from the outfield and the team will be sitting well for this season.

    Now, it’s always good to read yalls posts. CL, I think I figured out the Avatar thing.. we’ll see. This is the first post with the updated profile settings.


  414. 422 chrisklob June 22, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    10Paul, nice to see you stopping in again! I can’t figure out if this team is manic-depressive or schizophrenic. It exhibits classic symptoms of them both!

    Whatever they’ve got, it’s frustrating. I really wonder if this team has enough to make a run in the playoffs. My guess is that they’ll do well enough to make everyone believe in them and then leave us short at the end. Injuries and inconsistent play have dogged this team since the beginning.


  415. 423 chrisklob June 22, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    Nice new digs, FBG! You never told us your were royalty! Looks like a palace!


  416. 424 Carolina Lady June 22, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    Hey, TnPaul!! WITH an avatar!! Way to go! 😀

    Now you’re all official. The only thing I need now is your birthdate to add to the Birthday Page and to know if you want to be added to The Lineup Card to write a lead! 😆


  417. 425 morpheus45 June 22, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    Man, that is quite a house. Must be nice.


  418. 426 Salty June 22, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    …and to know if you want to be added to The Lineup Card to write a lead! 😯 We have a choice? Since when?

    TennPaul…trust me, CL only made it sound like a request…it’s really an order! She’s a shrewd one! 😆


  419. 427 Carolina Lady June 22, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    Now, Salty. You KNOW you volunteered right away! You really did! 😆 😆 Just ask Berigan!


  420. 428 Salty June 22, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    You see, TennPaul…ya see!?! 🙄 Women…dadgum it! She’s a ‘mind-bender’, she is! But…she’s our CL! 😎


  421. 430 chrisklob June 22, 2008 at 10:09 pm

    A smart boss gives orders in such a way that the employee thinks it’s his own and then they don’t mind carrying it out!


  422. 431 Carolina Lady June 22, 2008 at 10:13 pm

    Well, when the page gets close to 600 posts, it gets reeeeeallllll slow; I figure somebody will write one out of sheer self-defense! 😆 😆 😆

    Now, y’all KNOW you enjoy doing it!!!


  423. 432 flbravesgirl June 22, 2008 at 10:15 pm

    Thanks y’all. Of course with 4 adults going in on it together, it had better be big. There’s a detached garage with a workshop too. Honestly we could not have afforded this house if it were in Florida, it would have cost probably twice as much. I wanted to put up a pic of our view from the back too but I need to take a new pic. Bringing up my new worktable & stools for my kitchen this trip. 🙂


  424. 433 Carolina Lady June 22, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    It’s a beauty, FBG! Can’t wait to see LOTS of pics! I’m really happy for you!


  425. 434 flbravesgirl June 22, 2008 at 10:20 pm

    There’s not much to show inside yet. We’ve painted about half the rooms (had to get rid of hideous wallpaper in several) & only have minimal furniture right now.


  426. 435 Carolina Lady June 22, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    Won’t it be a pleasure when it’s all done!? Wow, y’all have a great place there! Do I remember correctly that you said the lower part would be yours?


  427. 436 flbravesgirl June 22, 2008 at 10:44 pm

    Yes, the lowest part that you see on the front, where the stonework is, is my part. It’s technically the basement but only the back is in the hill, the front is full-height above ground. Essentially it’s an apartment. Big bedroom, big bathroom, living room with a stone fireplace & my own kitchen 😀 . Plus a guest room & storage room. You can’t tell in the pic but I have a terrace running along the front, French doors from the living room & the white door you can see is to the kitchen.


  428. 437 Carolina Lady June 22, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    Sounds completely LOVELY!!! Did you mention a GUEST ROOM???? 😆 😆


  429. 438 flbravesgirl June 22, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    The top floor is my sister’s plus a guest room. She has the biggest closet on earth up there, perfect for her since she loves shoes & Vera Bradley purses.


  430. 439 flbravesgirl June 22, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    A small guest room on my level, bigger one upstairs. Plus we may put a daybed in the office. Lots of room for visitors, unlike this house.


  431. 440 Carolina Lady June 22, 2008 at 10:49 pm

    I’m not a shoe/purse person. I think I have 3 pair of shoes and maybe 2 purses. 😀 LOW maintenance!


  432. 441 flbravesgirl June 22, 2008 at 10:51 pm

    I have a bit more than that but nothing compared Mom & Melissa.


  433. 442 Carolina Lady June 22, 2008 at 10:51 pm

    What a fantastic place! Keep me posted; I want to know all about it!


  434. 443 flbravesgirl June 22, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    compared to…


  435. 444 flbravesgirl June 22, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    I’ll give you a whole dissertation, I love this house. But I can’t do it tonight because I have to get up very early to leave. Gotta get to bed soon.


  436. 445 flbravesgirl June 22, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    Let’s see… 3 acres, a long curving drive up the hill through the wooded front part of the property. The house sits up on the hilltop & the back looks over a small valley across at Black Rock Mt. State Park. Our view is awesome, I hope to have a clear day to take a good pic of it. Terraced garden next to the house (needs lots of work). Is that a good start?


  437. 446 Carolina Lady June 22, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    Have a SAFE trip! Log in when you have time!


  438. 447 flbravesgirl June 22, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    Eek! 11:00 ! Time to attempt sleep. Good night y’all.


  439. 448 Carolina Lady June 22, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    Good start?? I’m PURPLE with envy!!!!! I can just picture it!!! 😆 😆 😆


  440. 449 Carolina Lady June 22, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    ‘Night, FBG! Sleep well!

    I’m out, too!


  441. 450 chrisklob June 22, 2008 at 11:58 pm

    LOW maintenance! Carolina Lady

    I have a bit more than that but nothing ……… FBG

    No wonder all the men here love y’all so much!


  442. 451 morpheus45 June 23, 2008 at 1:10 am

    Chris, don’t take it seriously. There are no such thing as low maintenance women. CL and FBG are probably gay dudes. Brokeback Bloggers. 🙂


  443. 452 Gil in Mechanicsville June 23, 2008 at 4:03 am

    As compared to just being broke?? 🙂


  444. 453 Gil in Mechanicsville June 23, 2008 at 4:04 am

    Beautiful house FBG…


  445. 454 Voice of Raisins June 23, 2008 at 9:31 am

    Good morning!

    What’d I miss? 😀


  446. 455 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 23, 2008 at 9:33 am

    FBG, just one butler and one maid then???? 😆


  447. 456 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 23, 2008 at 9:40 am

    Nuthin’ V! Nuthin’ at all! 😛


  448. 457 Voice of Raisins June 23, 2008 at 9:54 am

    Hmmm… just perusin’ the news snippets.

    He’s not on the trade block but that’s not stopping other teams from keeping an eye on Roy Oswalt. In his most recent start against the Yankees on Sunday, scouts from the Angels, Braves, Mets and Phillies were at Minute Maid Park watching the Houston right-hander pitch. Oswalt has a full no-trade clause and is signed through 2011 with a club option for 2012. And the Astros aren’t selling. Other teams are watching just in case Houston’s current slide convinces the Astros to become sellers and Oswalt to waive his no-trade clause. — MLB.com


  449. 458 Voice of Raisins June 23, 2008 at 9:57 am

    Nick Cafardo kicks the tires in a full page spread in today’s Boston Globe, listing a handful of teams who are winding up to buy and sell. To paraphrase Cafardo’s recap: Phillies: Smelling World Series, they see C.C. Sabathia, Erik Bedard, A.J. Burnett, Bronson Arroyo, and Derek Lowe as potential targets. Braves: Still deciding whether to shop or re-sign Mark Teixeira, or neither, and in turn whether to trade for a starter to win a division, as Cafardo says, “nobody is running away with.”


  450. 459 Voice of Raisins June 23, 2008 at 10:00 am

    Ryan Freel is drawing strong interest; Jayson Stark names the Phillies, Braves, Mets, and Marlins as suitors.


  451. 460 jbinatl June 23, 2008 at 10:07 am

    I didn’t get a chance to tell you yet how much I love the lead post. Great work my friend.


  452. 461 jbinatl June 23, 2008 at 10:08 am

    I WILL have a post for you today.

    If you’ll wait for me I’ll have it finished shortly.


  453. 462 Carolina Lady June 23, 2008 at 10:09 am

    Royals sign Ramirez
    KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) — The Kansas City Royals purchased the contract of Horacio Ramirez from Triple-A Omaha on Sunday, adding the veteran left-hander to their bullpen.


  454. 463 jbinatl June 23, 2008 at 10:10 am


    Do you call this Kyle Davies Part 2?


  455. 464 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 23, 2008 at 10:11 am

    It’s nice to wake up after we beat the tar out of another team, isn’t it??? 🙂 That was about as good an offensive outburst as I have seen this year from the braves. Not just one big inning, but inning after inning with hits, and 2 out RBI’s 4 homers…just what we all thought we would see more often this year.
    I guess Chipper, Yunel and Frenchy have been holding us back!!! Well, one of those guys has been.

    But, (And there’s always a but with me, isn’t there???) A couple things have me worried right now.
    This from DOB yesterday…

    Yunel Escobar’s is also unchanged. He’s got a strained hip flexor, injured Friday night. He ran well in his pinch-hit appearance last night, but he’s still sore and “not ready to play,” he said. He took BP and infield today, though, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s back in the lineup as soon as tomorrow.

    Bobby Cox said the trainers have told him it’s a touchy injury, though, in that if he injures it any worse, if he tears it, he’d be out a couple months.

    So they’re testing him daily, doing strength tests, and also stressing to him the importance of being honest about how much discomfort there is in the hip.

    You all can see what I highlighted….Have Bobby and the Coaches forgotten what rest really is??? Let’s see, Yunel might want to be careful there, if he hurts it more, if he tears it, he might miss a few months…but, he pinch hit the day after hurting himself, and He took BP and infield yesterday!!!! Why???? Is there some chance a complete day off and he’ll forget how to field or hit??? He’s much younger then Chipper, but still….why risk it???

    And speaking of Chipper…I’ll say this, he’s got a lot of guts. I thought there was no way in hell he’d pinch hit Saturday, and was pretty mad to see him out there….I’ll be the first to admit that his was huge of his….but….if he has a tear in his quad….why have him risk tearing it more??? How will his 36 year old quad ever heal, if he only gets 2-3 days off, and is likely to pinch hit on a day of rest????

    And one final nit to pick. Why did Frenchy pinch hit yesterday?? We had blown the game wide open….just let him rest, and be a fan for a day…but, nope…gotta get him in there, gotta make him concentrate, use the old , frayed noodle….I can see thinking he might get a hit since everyone else had….But Bobby just doesn’t think rest is a real big issue, does he????

    What I am most glad about yesterday, is that we scored a lot without 3 key players, and hopefully that will stick in Bobby’s mind for awhile, and Chippers….we can win a game without them….and “they” can take an extra day off if needed….other guys can pick them up.


  456. 465 Voice of Raisins June 23, 2008 at 10:14 am

    OK… must work now.

    Currently, I am not only performing my normal job, but handling all of the administrative tasks as well. It has seriously reduced my available blog time. All that combined with the fact that one of my computers, the one that previously ran Braves and Stuff 24/7, has gone belly up. 😥 So, I’m down to one computer for all of my work, administrative and blogging tasks. 🙄

    I’ll be back in a bit…


  457. 466 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 23, 2008 at 10:18 am

    Hey JB! Been MIA for awhile!!! Pretty funny about HoRam being the next Kyle Davies! 🙂 I used to think McDowell was a waste of a uniform last year, but I have to say, it seems like he’s doing a pretty good job this year. At least he hasn’t messed up Jurrjens or Morton! 😉 And perhaps he has helped Jo-Jo with the mental part of the game, if nothing else.
    But, I do wonder why Kyle did so poorly here. he didn’t even look like a top prospect to me…..but you can’t get thru to everyone….and he did talk about the stress of winning here….Kind of surprised he could pitch and win in Yankee stadium….


  458. 468 Carolina Lady June 23, 2008 at 10:20 am

    Hey, JB! That will be GREAT! KD pt2 – I’d think so! 😆

    Morning, Raisins!

    I’m still catching up here – running on 1 cylinder this morning! 😀


  459. 469 jbinatl June 23, 2008 at 10:22 am

    yeah sorry y’all. I hate to be missing for any length of time….

    but yeah I have to work and stuff sometimes.

    So here’s my big announcement B&S friends.

    the day of my 28th b-day I found out…..

    another Braves fan is on the way!!!!!!


  460. 470 Carolina Lady June 23, 2008 at 10:25 am

    CONGRATULATIONS, JB!!! That is just terrific!!!


  461. 471 jbinatl June 23, 2008 at 10:27 am

    Yeah… I’m thrilled to say the least. I was completely surprised when my wife told me. Talk about a great birthday though!


  462. 472 Carolina Lady June 23, 2008 at 10:31 am

    Keep us posted!! Hillbilly’s new one arrived May 13, so maybe these two can be team mates in a few years! 🙂


  463. 473 jbinatl June 23, 2008 at 10:32 am

    ha! ha! well let’s just say boy or girl he/she will LOVE the Braves. or hate them from daddy taking him/her to countless games.


  464. 474 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 23, 2008 at 10:37 am

    Hey JB, Congrats!!!!! 🙂 That’s a pretty good excuse for not being around much of late, I must say! 😆 We can always use more Braves fans!


  465. 475 Carolina Lady June 23, 2008 at 10:48 am

    I’m beginning to like this guy:

    Norton gets last laugh against Mariners

    ATLANTA — Greg Norton has the uncanny ability to make the routine look strenuous and the clutch look effortless. But then again, so do the Braves, who finally staged a late-inning comeback.

    Brian McCann got credit for the walk-off, as his bloop single with the bases loaded and no outs in the ninth inning found a hole and gave the Braves a stunning 5-4 win over the Mariners on Saturday night.

    But even the Braves’ catcher had to defer the attention on this night.
    Any hitter, he reasoned, could have found a way to get that winning run across with the infield in and the bases full, even if the Braves have had seemingly endless bad luck finding holes in the defense.

    Saturday night’s win was the first time the Braves had won when trailing after eight innings. They are now 1-29 in that situation.

    The man who had a big hand in changing that fortune was Norton, the Braves’ left fielder, who was cast off by the Mariners in early May when he was designated for assignment.

    He has admittedly never been much of a fielder during his 12-year career, and he added another for his highlight reel in the fourth inning. Norton misread a Kenji Johjima line drive and wound up fully extended before falling awkwardly to the ground. Somehow, the ball was lodged in his glove.

    “I’m just trying to get on ‘Web Gems’ once a week by taking bad routes,” Norton joked. “I’m 36 years old. I can barely fall down without getting hurt, so I don’t really know how to fall down gracefully.”

    After the play, Norton immediately looked into the Mariners’ bullpen, where his old teammates were laughing hysterically. When Norton warmed up before the start of the next inning, Seattle relievers threw him a ball with an unprintable inscription on it. He read it, laughed and promptly threw it into the stands.

    So this wasn’t just an ordinary game for Norton, although he had insisted beforehand that he would not put any added pressure on himself to deliver the clutch hit against his former team — a way of showing the Mariners what they were missing.

    Three at-bats into his night, however, and Norton realized he was in fact pressing.

    “I was swinging at every pitch over my head for two out of the first three at-bats, thinking I could hit it.” he said. “That didn’t work out for me.”

    He was more patient during his ninth-inning at-bat, stroking a run-scoring double off Mariners reliever Miguel Batista that tied the game at 4. The hit scored Kelly Johnson, who led off the ninth with a walk.

    After Mark Teixeira was intentionally walked and Jeff Francoeur was hit by a pitch, McCann fought off a cutter on his hands and dropped the ball over the head of Mariners second baseman Jose Lopez for the game-winner.

    “My hit was just in the right spot,” McCann said, downplaying his 43rd RBI of the season. “I was at the right place at the right time and I found a hole.”

    And it may have also come at the right time for the Braves, on the verge of dropping two straight games to the Mariners, who own the worst record in the Major Leagues (26-48).

    The Braves were quick to dispel the notion that losing the first two to the Mariners would have been devastating — “They’re not as bad as their record,” McCann said — but they are now in line for a series win if Tim Hudson can pitch well in the series finale on Sunday.

    “They’re all big,” Braves manager Bobby Cox said. “We can peck away. By the All-Star break, we want to get closer than we are right now. We need to win.”

    The Braves sensed a comeback was possible in the eighth inning, when Ruben Gotay hit a two-out homer that cut the deficit to 4-2.

    Then Gregor Blanco hit a slow roller to shortstop. Yuniesky Betancourt barehanded it and threw wildly to first base. Blanco alertly ran to third on what was ruled a three-base throwing error.

    Cox then called upon Chipper Jones to pinch-hit. Jones, who did not start after reaggravating his strained right quadriceps on Friday, lined an RBI single up the middle and gingerly jogged to first base. He was immediately removed for a pinch-runner, and he received a standing ovation from the sellout crowd of 47,158.

    “Big hit,” Cox said. “Gee wiz, huge.”

    Yunel Escobar, who strained his right hip flexor on Friday and was listed as day-to-day, pinch-hit with two on and two out in the sixth, but grounded into a fielder’s choice to end the inning.

    Lost in the Braves’ comeback was the strong outing of Jair Jurrjens, who pitched six strong innings and didn’t allow an earned run. He lowered his ERA at Turner Field to 2.49.

    The Mariners scored three unearned runs in the first inning, after backup shortstop Omar Infante made two errors. Infante’s second error, which made Escobar hop off the bench and begin pacing in the Braves’ dugout, led to a two-run single by Betancourt that gave the Mariners a 3-0 lead.
    “He’s generally just sure-handed as heck,” Cox said of Infante, who redeemed himself by going 3-for-5 with a double.

    The gaffes didn’t end up hurting the Braves, who improved to 4-19 in one-run games this season. The Braves also moved to within five games of first-place Philadelphia in the National League East.

    “We were due,” McCann said. “If we want to play in the postseason, we need to start doing the little things to win ballgames.”

    Ryan Lavner is an associate reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.


  466. 476 Gil in Mechanicsville June 23, 2008 at 10:53 am

    Great news JB… 🙂


  467. 477 Voice of Raisins June 23, 2008 at 11:16 am

    Congrats JB!!! 😀


  468. 478 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 23, 2008 at 11:16 am

    CL, same here! Norton is playing a bit more than he probably should, but he does have power, he does get big hits now and then….I have no problems with him….


  469. 479 jbinatl June 23, 2008 at 11:18 am

    Ok CL

    putting on the finishing touches and about to send it your way…. or I could post directly if that’s cool.


  470. 480 Carolina Lady June 23, 2008 at 11:40 am

    JB, if you will, send it to me, please, sir. MUCH appreciated! 🙂


  471. 481 jbinatl June 23, 2008 at 11:44 am

    I just sent you a personal email. I’m not sure how often you check it but please let me know if you got it.



  472. 482 Carolina Lady June 23, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    Received, JB – getting ready to put it into the template now. Will post as soon as this current one fills up a little more. MANY thanks!


  473. 483 jbinatl June 23, 2008 at 12:12 pm

    Did you also get my email to your personal account? I’ll send it to the B&S hotmail account.


  474. 484 ktownowl June 23, 2008 at 12:44 pm

    I guess everyone’s at work.


  475. 485 Gil in Mechanicsville June 23, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    Or working 🙂 …


  476. 486 Voice of Raisins June 23, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    … or both… 😀


  477. 487 Carolina Lady June 23, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    or goofing off……….


  478. 488 Voice of Raisins June 23, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    … or all three…

    … like me… 😀


  479. 489 Voice of Raisins June 23, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    10 great thoughts from a true American philosopher, George Carlin (1937-2008):

    1) When cheese gets it’s picture taken, what does it say?

    2) When someone asks you, A penny for your thoughts, and you put your two cents in, what happens to the other penny?

    3) If lawyers are disbarred and clergymen defrocked, doesn’t it follow that electricians can be delighted, musicians denoted?

    4) When someone is impatient and says, “I haven’t got all day,” I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day?

    5) I thought about how mothers feed their babies with tiny little spoons and forks so I wondered, what do Chinese mothers use? Toothpicks?

    6) If a pig loses its voice, is it disgruntled?

    7) Is a vegetarian permitted to eat animal crackers?

    8) What if there were no hypothetical questions?

    9) Frisbeetarianism is the belief that when you die, your soul goes up on the roof and gets stuck.

    10) Some national parks have long waiting lists for camping reservations. When you have to wait a year to sleep next to a tree, something is wrong.


  480. 490 Voice of Raisins June 23, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    OK… so I forgot that 8 and ) is 8)…


  481. 491 Voice of Raisins June 23, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    .. and I forgot that if you put … at the end of 8 and ) you won’t get 8) …


  482. 492 Voice of Raisins June 23, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    More Carlinisms:

    –Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish, and he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day.

    –Before they invented drawing boards, what did they go back to?

    –Procrastination is the art of keeping up with yesterday.

    –Why do croutons come in airtight packages? It’s just stale bread to begin with.

    –May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house.

    –Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?

    –If the #2 pencil is the most popular, why is it still #2?

    –I think it would be interesting if old people got anti-Alzheimer’s disease where they slowly began to recover other people’s lost memories.

    –Electricity is really just organized lightning.



  483. 493 Voice of Raisins June 23, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    And still more from GC:

    –Women like silent men, they think they’re listening.

    –“I am” is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English language. Could it be that “I do” is the longest sentence?

    –Men are from Earth, women are from Earth. Deal with it.

    –If all the world is a stage, where is the audience sitting?

    –Well, if crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight? They never mention that part to us, do they?

    –Honesty may be the best policy, but it’s important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.

    –I recently went to a new doctor and noticed he was located in something called the Professional Building. I felt better right away.

    –Why is the man (or woman) who invests all your money called a broker?

    –There’s no present. There’s only the immediate future and the recent past.


  484. 494 Voice of Raisins June 23, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    A final few more:

    –At a formal dinner party, the person nearest death should always be seated closest to the bathroom.

    –As a matter of principle, I never attend the first annual anything.

    –The very existence of flame-throwers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, “You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I’m just not close enough to get the job done.”

    –Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time.

    –Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

    –I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.


  485. 495 Voice of Raisins June 23, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    Few people had the gift to make us simply look at ourselves and laugh out loud. George Carlin had that in abundance.

    Classic bit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvgN5gCuLac


  486. 496 Voice of Raisins June 23, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    Uh… turn the volume down if little ones are around, or if you’re at work. 😳


  487. 497 Savannah Guy June 23, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    Going through many things and lots of good stuff on ye olde blogge.

    FBG, that’s a beautiful house you have there… nice paint too. Four families? A Tiger commune? Far out. Oh, I’m not sure you got the drift of CL’s “guest rooms” comment earlier. Uh, I think she inquired about guest rooms for the purpose of, well… you know. Maybe a little visit. 😆

    JB, congratulation on the new little expected Braves fan. Hopefully, for Mrs. JB’s sake, the little one doesn’t start doing the tomahawk chop before birth of she’ll be doing the chant along with them. 😯

    Rest in Peace George Carlin. He was a funny man. And Raisins, that was a bunch’a funny GC stuff you posted. On the clip… I posted the very same “stuff” clip of his a week or two ago. C’mon… keep up with the program. 😆

    Pappy is still noticeably absent… MIA. Momma Mia Rached? Mia Hamm pulled?

    That’s all I got now.


  488. 498 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 23, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    Gee, a busy afternoon in the land of BS B&S!!! VOR, thanks for the Carlin clips! He always cracked me up…the one that has stuck with me the longest, that I think of half the time I get in a car….(can’t find it on the web, drat…will have to screw it up by memory) He said something to the effect that there must be little gremlins that get inside your car after you’ve gotten out of it, and turn the volume WAY up on your radio, so that when you come back and start the car, you’ll jump!!!! 😆 Those suckers still get me a few times a week!


  489. 499 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 23, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    I am still a bit groggy….slept from 12 to 7, which if this was the AM, would be just great! 😕 VOR, I haven’t even looked at the clip, but loved the jokes…sigh…right now, I am so dumb, I could be a politician.


  490. 500 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 23, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    I missed the first few innings….did Jo-Jo look that bad??? When I see 4 runs given up, I’m for letting him go another inning at least….well, with Sheets bringing it, I guess I can safely go get dinner, not like a big comeback is likely!(reverse psychology! 😆 )


  491. 501 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 23, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    King Felix hit a gran slam off of Johan!


  492. 502 Carolina Lady June 23, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    Best line of the day: “I am so dumb, I could be a politician.”


  493. 503 chrisklob June 23, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    Ber, I only saw a little bit of the second and third innings but JoJo didn’t look too good tonight. He got pulled in the top of the third inning without getting any outs and he had the bases loaded. Carlyle bailed him without giving up any more runs or it would have been a lot worse.

    As good as JoJo’s been the past five or so starts you can’t be too mad with him. Of course, it’s not like he was facing some junk pitcher. That Sheets guys is pretty good!.

    JB, congratulations! Dude, that is awesome! Let me offer you one piece of advice to you. Start buying diapers NOW! I’m serious. Those things will break you. But that is great news. Your life, as you know it now, will soon be over. But that’s not a bad thing. Your life will be much more rewarding than you’ve ever imagined it being!

    Raisins, please accept my apologies. It does not appear that I congratulated you on an excellent blog. It really is good. Isn’t it amazing what those little brains can think up?


  494. 504 Savannah Guy June 23, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    Jo Jo just didn’t have it tonight. Young pitchers tend to do that. Even so, this game was never out of reach… just can’t get the hits. Good to see Yunel back in the lineup.

    Not good to see French back in the lineup. I’m beginning to think we may never see his potential… without getting some time off it’s all speculation as to whether that would’ve helped. It’s just getting to be like watching AJ at the plate. He’s flummoxed. Discombobulated. Addled. Stupefied. Downright confused. I guess he and Cox do have a lot in common, living in Atlanta and all.

    Braves lose. Well… Sheets.


  495. 505 flbravesgirl June 23, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    Good evening from Tiger. Sounds like the boys ran up against vintage Sheets tonight.

    Now, all the stuff I missed today…Congratulations, JB!!!!!!

    Grinch, may I remind you that we’ve met? I imagine that you noticed that I am female. I’m just not the Shoe Queen like Melissa.

    Berigan, no butler. I’m the maid.

    No, SG. My family of 4. Mom, Dad, Melissa & I. And I got CL’s drift. I’d be delighted to have her visit but right now the accomodations consist of an airbed.


  496. 506 Voice of Raisins June 23, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    Dawgs score 4 in the 9th to beat Fresno State 7-6 and go up 1-0 in the 3 game College World Series final!

    Go-o-o-o Dawgs… Sic ’em… woof, woof, woof, woof!!!


  497. 507 flbravesgirl June 23, 2008 at 10:26 pm

    Congrats, VOR!


  498. 508 flbravesgirl June 23, 2008 at 10:28 pm

    So Francoeur has one bad eye, huh? Hopefully he’ll adjust to the contact lens quickly & it will help.


  499. 509 flbravesgirl June 23, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    It has been an excessively long day. Time to collapse. Good night y’all.


  500. 510 Gil in Mechanicsville June 23, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    Would that be an “evil eye”? Maybe it’s his “mind’s eye” … Of course many us don’t see “eye to eye”… If only he could get the “eye of the tiger”…


  501. 511 Gil in Mechanicsville June 23, 2008 at 11:11 pm

    And why does Bobby Cox not use Buddy Carlyle more often? Seems to me he has been effective every time out. Comes in with the bases loaded… again… gives up no runs, keeps Atlanta in the game. I can think of a couple of times last week he could have used him instead of Bennett. Does Bobby forget he is on the squad or something?


  502. 512 Gil in Mechanicsville June 23, 2008 at 11:14 pm

    And yes SG… Young pitchers are prone to having a bad outing at least once in every three starts. It’s why they are usually number 4 and 5 guys. Of course when the other team’s ace is on the mound and only gives up one run, you usually need a shutout to win…


  503. 513 chrisklob June 23, 2008 at 11:43 pm

    Gil, good point about Carlyle. BC’s use of the bullpen has been a little too rigid this year, it seems. He’s got a couple of favorites and outside of those he doesn’t like to call on anyone else. Seriously, what does Phil Stockman have to do to keep his job in ATL? I really wish he’d think outside the box a little more. In fact, I wish he’d think outside the “book” sometimes too.

    Makes me miss Leo and Corralles. Nothing against McDowell at all. I still think that Mazzonne and Corralles were really the guys pulling the strings back in the day. Cox was just the figurehead and those guys made him look good.


  504. 514 jbinatl June 24, 2008 at 12:05 am

    It’s a blob!!!

    We just got back home after a long day. Went to the DR’s office and got our first look at our first future Braves fan. Still just a player to be named later right now but he/she looks like a jelly bean right now.

    Then it was off to see some friends of ours and home to the cats.

    Exciting day. I couldn’t help but well up when I saw a tiny little heartbeat flickering on the screen in front of me.

    Thanks for the advice, Chris.

    See y’all in the morning.


  505. 515 chrisklob June 24, 2008 at 12:18 am

    JB, I was thinking about your earlier post when you said you heard the news on your birthday. It got me to thinking about the picture you posted of yourself on your blog that day. I thought you had sort of a “shell-shocked” look. I just went back and looked at it again. I was right. Now we know why.

    Seriously, buy diapers. Unless you are wealthy (and if you are, then good for you) they’ll put a serious crimp in your budget for at least two years. We didn’t do that with our first kid and it just about killed us. Every time you go to the store you should buy a pack. Buy them in different sizes because you’ll find that the kid will outgrow them pretty quickly. We did that with our second child and it made a huge difference!


  506. 516 morpheus45 June 24, 2008 at 4:12 am

    Y’all, I’m afariad I must take this opportunity to do some woofing. Last year, UGA’s football team finished #2 in the nation, and are ranked by USA today and ESPN as #1 this preseason. The UGA women’s Basketball team had a good run in the tournament, and the men;s team who entered with the worst record in the SEC went on the most improbable run ever and finished 2nd as well when they finally ran out of gas. Since April, they’ve won their fourth straight Equestrian NC, their third straight gymnastics NC and third straight Men’s tennis NC. They’re also the only school to have two Rhodes scholars and win the debating NC as well. After coming from behind last night on Fresno state (down 6-3 in the 8th and winning 7-6), they’re one win away from winning the College World series after coming in as the 8th seed. AND FOOTBALL SEASON HASN’T EVEN STARTED YET. As BB coach Joe Perno recently said (quoting Proverbs 27:17), “As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another.”



  507. 517 morpheus45 June 24, 2008 at 4:14 am

    Congratulations, JT; I have no advice to offer whatsoever but I’m happy for you anyway.


  508. 518 morpheus45 June 24, 2008 at 4:16 am

    Oops, that was FOURTH straight womens gymnastics NC, not third.


  509. 519 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 24, 2008 at 6:05 am

    morpheus45 Says:
    June 24, 2008 at 4:16 am

    Oops, that was FOURTH straight womens gymnastics NC, not third.

    I was wondering if you were going to correct that! 😯


  510. 520 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 24, 2008 at 6:06 am



  511. 521 Salty June 24, 2008 at 7:25 am

    Where there’s Dawgs, there may be fleas. Just sayin!


  512. 522 morpheus45 June 24, 2008 at 7:59 am

    I hear ya, Salty; feel free to laud Clemson’s most recent accomplishments if you wish. 🙂


  513. 523 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 24, 2008 at 8:15 am

    Hillbilly, if no one else, will find this story interesting, and a bit sad…
    The Case of the (Almost) Disappearing Godfather


  514. 524 Voice of Raisins June 24, 2008 at 8:20 am

    Lemme see if I got this straight…

    Francoeur hit just .207 with three homers and a .323 slugging percentage in 50 night games before Monday, and .320 with five homers and a .553 slugging percentage in 26 day games.

    So Bobby finally sits him Sunday… for a day game? 😐


  515. 525 Voice of Raisins June 24, 2008 at 8:23 am

    Searching for answers to his extended slump, Braves right fielder Jeff Francoeur was fitted Monday for a single contact lens for his right eye.

    Will this make him more of a contact hitter? 😀

    I’m just sayin’…


  516. 526 morpheus45 June 24, 2008 at 8:24 am

    VOR, if you start trying to follow Bobby’s logic on a regular basis, you’ll find yourself wandering around a K-Mart parking lot mumbling about underwear a la Dustin Hoffman. In fact, you might even bump into Bobby there doing the same thing.


  517. 527 Voice of Raisins June 24, 2008 at 8:29 am

    A little early morning raisin trivia:

    From the time a grape vine is first planted to the time its first raisin is produced takes at least 3 years.

    Just so’s ya know. 🙂

    Well I am the voice and all…


  518. 528 Voice of Raisins June 24, 2008 at 8:30 am

    you’ll find yourself wandering around a K-Mart parking lot mumbling about underwear a la Dustin Hoffman

    So that’s why that happened!?!


  519. 529 Voice of Raisins June 24, 2008 at 8:33 am

    At least I wasn’t foung in a K-mart parking lot mumbling while wearing Dustin Hoffman’s underwear… That coulda been embarrassing!


  520. 530 Hillbilly June 24, 2008 at 8:44 am


    That Godfather link is blocked for me at work. Can’t read it.


  521. 531 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 24, 2008 at 8:47 am

    Can’t read Variety, eh??? Such smut!!! 😉 Ok, heres the lowdown, very hush, hush, on the QT!!!!

    Peter Bart.

    Hollywood doesn’t give a damn about its past.

    I was reminded of this unpleasant fact last week when Kim Aubry of Zoetrope Aubry Productions showed me his two new docs about “The Godfather” — one dealing with the movie’s angst ridden production, the other with the salvaging of the negative.

    Here’s the darkest Godfather secret: The negative was literally turning into dust until Steven Spielberg, upon closing his DreamWorks deal at Paramount, made a personal call to Brad Grey pleading with him to salvage it. Grey was himself shocked to learn that one of the studio’s major assets was falling apart and he authorized payment of over $1 million for the restoration.

    Both of Aubry’s fine docs boast a stellar cast — Francis Ford Coppola (who doesn’t like to discuss the film), George Lucas, Walter Murch (the postproduction guru), Robert Evans, David Chase (whose Sopranos was inspired by the film) and yes, me.

    Coppola himself resents the “Godfather” experience on many levels, even though it made him both rich and venerated. A man of many moods and interests, Coppola believed that the great success of the movie pulled him away from his career plan to make small, artistically ambitious films along the lines of “The Conversation.” On at least two occasions, Coppola told me “you ruined my career,” because I’d given him the newly published book and urged and cajoled him into directing it.

    The doc’s only flaw is that it falls into the usual trap of depicting “the artist” versus “the studio.” In the case of “The Godfather,” “the artists” (principally Coppola) fought for all the elements that worked in the film — Brando, Pacino, Gordon Willis’ darkly moody cinematography, and the 2 hour 20 minute running time, etc.

    “The Studio” (in this case, Paramount) fought all these elements relentlessly. Coppola was allegedly a bad idea, as was the cast and, certainly, Willis. The flaw in this theory is the assumption that Paramount spoke with one voice — something that rarely, if ever occurred at the studios of that chaotic period. In fact the three “supremos” in New York at the time — Charles Bluhdorn, Stanley Jaffe and Frank Yablans — were in disagreement about every issue. Meanwhile Evans and I in Hollywood learned that some of the executives serving under us also disdained Coppola and were trying to disrupt the movie.

    Hence the problems surrounding “The Godfather” were never a matter of “us” vs. “them”, it was Coppola’s cacophony vs. Paramount’s cacophony. There were too many voices — a problem exacerbated by Coppola’s ‘70s rebel tendency to avoid engaging the studio, and thus cutting himself off from an intelligent dialogue.

    Personally, as vice president for production, my attitude was that it was all working my way. Evans and I favored Brando and the other actors Coppola had cast, though, too many screen tests were mandated, further, despite misunderstandings about the initial contract, Evans had wanted a longer cut.

    By the third week we both realized a remarkable movie was being shot at a cost (about $7 million) that, even by ‘70s standards, was rigorously economical. All the noise and rancor ended up creating a better movie — indeed, one of history’s greatest. Meanwhile, Paramount distribution maven, Frank Yablans, was developing a bold plan to open the movie wide, thus defying established formulae for handling “tentpole” movies. That’s why I still can’t believe that the studio let the negative deteriorate.

    The good news: The new Godfather DVD will shortly be released by the studio, it will also will be available on Blu-Ray.


  522. 532 Voice of Raisins June 24, 2008 at 8:47 am

    Jefferson, GA: The body of a Jeffferson woman was found inside a small freezer in her apartment, according to the Jefferson Police Department.

    Family members found 42-year-old Billie Welty Sunday.

    Family members last heard from Welty Thursday night. Three days later, police say she was found dead inside her own freezer.

    “It’s that bizarre, it’s that unheard of, it’s totally off the wall,” said family spokeperson David Lapsky.

    Police say Welty was discovered Sunday afternoon in her kitchen — inside the stand alone freezer — with the door open.

    “The air conditioning was off, and it was very hot– she had made several jokes she could fit in the freezer,” said neighbor Rachel Garrard.

    Police are not saying if Welty — who lived alone — got into the freezer herself. Neighbors say she’d made several comments about doing so.

    Billie Welty’s body is now at the GBI crime lab– but they have not been able to do her autopsy yet because they’re waiting for her body temperature to come back up to normal.

    Uh… yes, this is the city where I live…


  523. 533 Hillbilly June 24, 2008 at 8:48 am

    Did y’all see Shaq’s freestyle rap about Kobe. I don’t give a flip about the NBA or Shaq and Kobe’s soap opera relationship, but I heard it on Lex and Terry this morning and laughed until my gut hurt. I would post a link, but it’s blocked, too.

    “Kobe, tell me how my a## tastes.” 😀


  524. 534 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 24, 2008 at 8:50 am

    VOR, and Grinch….you have been very funny this morn! Well, VOR was, till that freezer story! Was she really fat??? The air was shut off, but the power for the house was on??? Didn’t she hear as a kid never to get inside a fridge??? Door might stick???


  525. 535 Savannah Guy June 24, 2008 at 8:56 am

    more of a contact hitter?

    wandering around a K-Mart parking lot mumbling about underwear

    Funny stuff this morning. Y’all are drinking some good strong coffee this morning. I wansummadat. 😆

    Jelly Bean? Jelly Bean for JB? Not Joe Borchard? Not James Brown? Not James Bond, Jack Bauer, Jason Bourne, Jeff Beck, John Belushi, Jack Black? After all this time we now learn the JB name because of a slip describing little junior Bean? Now we have a little Bean on the way? Can call Jelly Bean? Must have permission first. Blog has a Raisin and also needs a Jelly Bean.

    So Jelly Bean… just be happy that Beans grow quick. Raisins had to wait 3 years. Klobber is right about the diapers. Buy early and buy often. But it can be dangerous if you don’t do it right. Maybe watch this instructional video:

    Rare footage of Klobber buying Huggies diapers.


  526. 536 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 24, 2008 at 8:56 am

    Hillbilly, haven’t heard it, will look for it! I don’t like Kobe at all…he’s not Michael Jordan…he is likely a rapist…so not winning another championship, and getting dissed by Shaq, that’s just fine and dandy in my book! 🙂


  527. 537 Savannah Guy June 24, 2008 at 9:01 am

    Godfather turning to dust? Oh, my. Has it been that long? Now I feel older.

    Good stuff, Bear. Godfather I and II are all time favorites.


  528. 538 Carolina Lady June 24, 2008 at 9:04 am

    Comedy great George Carlin died Sunday of heart failure at the age of 71. This is a reprint of his classic bit “The Difference Between Baseball and Football.” Excerpted from Brain Droppings by George Carlin, Copyright 1997, Comedy Concepts Inc. Published by Hyperion. All rights reserved.

    “In other sports you score points or goals; in baseball you score runs. In most sports the ball, or object, is put in play by the offensive team; in baseball the defensive team puts the ball in play, and only the defense is allowed to touch the ball. In fact, in baseball if an offensive player touches the ball intentionally, he’s out; sometimes unintentionally, he’s out.

    Also: in football, basketball, soccer, volleyball, and all sports played with a ball, you score with the ball and in baseball the ball prevents you from scoring.

    In most sports the team is run by a coach; in baseball the team is run by a manager. And only in baseball does the manager or coach wear the same clothing the players do. If you’d ever seen John Madden in his Oakland Raiders uniform, you’d know the reason for this custom.

    George Carlin knew. Baseball is a walk in the park. Football is war. (Ed Bailey / Associated Press)

    Now, I’ve mentioned football. Baseball & football are the two most popular spectator sports in this country. And as such, it seems they ought to be able to tell us something about ourselves and our values.

    I enjoy comparing baseball and football:

    Baseball is a nineteenth-century pastoral game.

    Football is a twentieth-century technological struggle.

    Baseball is played on a diamond, in a park. The baseball park!

    Football is played on a gridiron, in a stadium, sometimes called Soldier Field or War Memorial Stadium.

    Baseball begins in the spring, the season of new life.

    Football begins in the fall, when everything’s dying.

    In football you wear a helmet.

    In baseball you wear a cap.

    Football is concerned with downs — what down is it?

    Baseball is concerned with ups — who’s up?

    In football you receive a penalty.

    In baseball you make an error.

    In football the specialist comes in to kick.

    In baseball the specialist comes in to relieve somebody.

    Football has hitting, clipping, spearing, piling on, personal fouls, late hitting and unnecessary roughness.

    Baseball has the sacrifice.

    Football is played in any kind of weather: rain, snow, sleet, hail, fog…

    In baseball, if it rains, we don’t go out to play.

    Baseball has the seventh inning stretch.

    Football has the two minute warning.

    Baseball has no time limit: we don’t know when it’s gonna end — might have extra innings.

    Football is rigidly timed, and it will end even if we’ve got to go to sudden death.

    In baseball, during the game, in the stands, there’s kind of a picnic feeling; emotions may run high or low, but there’s not too much unpleasantness.

    In football, during the game in the stands, you can be sure that at least twenty-seven times you’re capable of taking the life of a fellow human being.

    And finally, the objectives of the two games are completely different:

    In football the object is for the quarterback, also known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his receivers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy’s defensive line.

    In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! — I hope I’ll be safe at home!”


  529. 539 Savannah Guy June 24, 2008 at 9:07 am

    Hillbilly, I saw that Shaq attack rap last night. It was horrible on TV. The sound was bad, the video was bad, his voice was bad, the rhythm was bad the rhyme was bad and it went on and on and on and on… wayyyyyyy too long.

    Then again, if they just played a short clip or two on Lex and Terry it was probably funny. Like many movie trailers. Plus, the Shaq visuals didn’t add a thing.


  530. 540 Salty June 24, 2008 at 9:09 am

    Grinch…just talkin’ fleas, that’s all. No Tigers…they might have fleas, too…never asked one. I knew people who were like fleas. Big fleas, little fleas…doesn’t matter…don’t care for ’em. Not welcome in the Salty household. Then again, Salt does wondrous stuff to…uh…to other stuff.

    I’m a ramblin’ man this morning…something in my coffee I ‘spose!


  531. 541 morpheus45 June 24, 2008 at 9:12 am

    I always thought JB stood for Jim Beam.

    Berigan, I don’t like Kobe either, but if you check into that chick’s past and attitude and comments (and expert impartial legal analysis) you’ll likely agree she set him up completely. At worst he’s guilty of adultery and being a choad.

    So, it’s been almost two days since most of y’all have sent me forwards about how Obama’s gonna force pregnant women to draw straws for random abortions, perform scientific experiments on white children’s puppies or outlaw the creme filling in oreo’s. Have we had a change of heart, or just run out of ideas? 🙂


  532. 542 Hillbilly June 24, 2008 at 9:12 am

    SG, no they played the whole thing. I thought it was hilarious, but then again, I’ve never claimed to be a Hip-Hip expert.

    B-3, thanks for the Godfather piece. Interesting stuff. Couldn’t possibly imagine anybody else besides Brando in that role.


  533. 543 Savannah Guy June 24, 2008 at 9:14 am

    Yes, CL… that is a funny bit by Carlin. A few weeks ago I got on a George Carlin tear and posted a few video clips of his skits… and looked at a whole lot more that day. Probably watched twenty or more that day, one after another… all very funny to hilarious. Now he’s gone now but we still have him and his humor. Here’s a video of that I posted here a few weeks back.

    Baseball and Football.


  534. 544 Salty June 24, 2008 at 9:16 am

    So, it’s been almost two days since most of y’all have sent me forwards about how Obama’s gonna force pregnant women to draw straws for random abortions, perform scientific experiments on white children’s puppies or outlaw the creme filling in oreo’s. Have we had a change of heart, or just run out of ideas?

    😕 What’s this, a South Park episode?

    I hate the creme filling in Oreos, FWIW.


  535. 545 Savannah Guy June 24, 2008 at 9:19 am

    Hillbilly, I can imagine it was much better on radio than TV. Can watch cars and trucks and stoplights fender benders and such while listening. 😀 I’m the last person in the world to claim any knowledge of hip hop the rap music genre. But I can hear and see. Trust me, it was fuglyness.


  536. 546 Berigan 3, part 3, in 3-D June 24, 2008 at 9:25 am

    CL, I remember that baseball vs. Football skit! 😆

    SG, just think, if Paramount doesn’t care about a big film like first two Godfather’s….something that clearly still has a huge following 35 years after it came out….what is happening to much older films languishing in their vaults? Well, Universal owns Paramounts pre 1948 films….but, the vast majority of them are never shown on tv, or released on DVD. Not worth it, they think…gotta put their money into Gigli 2 , or Istar, the next generation…


  537. 547 Savannah Guy June 24, 2008 at 9:26 am

    Question: Salt does wondrous stuff to…uh…to other stuff.

    Answer: Melt snails?

    Question: I’m a ramblin’ man this morning…something in my coffee I ’spose!

    Answer: Well, it must not be salt peter if yer ramblin’. 😆

    Question: Have we had a change of heart, or just run out of ideas?

    Answer: No more Obama stuff until you’ve done your homework on global warming. :mrgreen:


  538. 548 morpheus45 June 24, 2008 at 9:27 am

    I hate south park. What does FWIW mean?


  539. 549 morpheus45 June 24, 2008 at 9:29 am

    Promise, SG? Then I’ll get right on that homework! 🙂